--------- PNET bicycle and pedestrian Safety Committee um we haven't met in a few months because of weather and other things sorry you perfect oh you unmuted um yeah you can't un so can I
have actually can I have a motion to open the meeting I I'll make a motion we open the meeting second second all in favor in favor okay so first thing we'll do is approve the minutes from last meeting so the
last meeting minutes were October 10th 24 you all have them prior to the November meeting um reviewed that meaning we were not able to have because of traffic and accidents um so if you did not have changes um make a motion to
accept them as as written I second all in favor I just all right cool all right so then we had this from the last meeting which so we never got to discuss this but the safe routs to
school bik rat and Eric I think the other one that I actually drive up what was that is it passed now gone by I don't know we had the somebody had to submit it from school uh it was a grant money for is it for bik rat for the
school yeah this was well this was this I I don't know what the outcome was that all right did you know Sandra yeah no so maybe what we should do is do a little research now cuz it most likely will be something that will be explored again in
September yeah see what they have well they had to be members of this organization the state organization yeah so it has to channel through us no safe roots to school oh safe roots to school had to be a member of that is
calling no is anybody on Angela is here Angie was here I don't know if she is anybody there from the school committee is Angie here oh I'm here what was the question no I was just making sure you were here cuz I saw your name up there oh okay yeah I'm here no we were just
talking about something that had might have passed safe roots to school I guess they offered a bike rack Grant so we were just going to sit thinking that we'll go back to it and see if that was already passed then maybe next year but I mean I don't know what what you have
for bike racks there now maybe you don't need them but we can look into that I guess at the schools yeah we can look we can look into that um do you have bike racks do you have bike racks now yeah the middle school does have one
and I know that I'm not sure about what condition it's in or if the one is enough um so we can look into it okay that sounds good is that too maybe a little bit little too um well I don't
know can they hear them can you hear I can hear no it's coming out not in for me okay want to double um next thing was the master plan
survey which they had let's see so they they sent out um surveys online which they did send again today and uh I shared it with Sandy you do you have I can share my screen and show you what
came up on Facebook today for a survey from town of a Christian well they're looking for ideas of what people would like to see doesn't mean it's going to happen but if if it's something that you think we need or would like to see in town then you you
put it down you write it down or you check it off whatever in the if you're doing the Sur um for us we need to actually look at the past one from 2008 I think it was and we
can just to get ideas of what was in that one uh it's under the transportation I guess and open space and Recreation actually those two spots so actually we have't that's something we can start doing and uh I I uh next
meeting in March lth I think it's Gonzalez from serad is actually going to Jo join our meeting to talk about the same idea about transportation and what we you know goals and aspirations so um from
where I'm sorry she's from Sur serpent sured South East Regional here I'll share I'll share the page this is the um plan and economic development
sh this to is De okay see you said Gonzalez this is the surad you're talking about oops I hate when that happens um this is the master plan page for the town of Acushnet um
right now uh I believe that this m I believe this master plan survey is is done let's see they don't make this easy so this is the Acushnet master plan survey
um so they're asking all residents to complete this it'll take 10 to 15 minutes um this one's uh focuses on land use and Zoning um so you just go down and um read each category and uh select all
that apply gu theone is closed now it doesn't appear to be no she just opened it so let me go they might have extended it if they didn't have enough they just sent no they just shared a town of a chush just shared something yeah I'll show you that too and then this is so this is the the we the web
page for the master plan um it's on the surad site you can just Google Kush master plan and you should get to this um there's also completely open space and Recreation plan survey that's this one here it's also the Water
Resource Management plan again they're going to ask you they give you an introduction you read the introduction um and then you complete the survey okay um so there's actually two of them right now there appears to
be two active ones uh today on U Facebook um town of AET posted this the town of Acushnet we want to hear from from you what would you like to see in town new businesses bypass an
intersection that's unsafe use this interactive map to tell us what and where Kush net can improve um so you click on this link I'm going to have 100 tabs it brings you up to a map of a pushit and if you can see I think it's only been
about 3 hours some people have already weighed in so if you click on this you'll see that at this location on N Lane someone commented today living on N Lane is actually dangerous there are no sidewalks for residents to walk or bike also no street lights making it
difficult to enjoy the neighborhood when weather is nice please consider sidewalks making it safe to walk with family they're actually very correct they are very correct it's a narrow street it's not safe and a lot of people DOD I run it all the time you play
dodgeball with cars yeah there's no there's no place there's the fog line is about 6 in very narrow so all Town residents can go on and click on those different categories so these happen to be bike
and ped y um this one here says roadway improvements people fly down ni Lane again same thing um so they want sidewalks let's go to a different area of town maybe in the center right at the intersection of
Maine and South Maine it says intersection should be study for potential improvements um what's this red over here red says New Bedford border jobs and business improvements currently has industry industrial use owner is
interested in rear front housing so um the more you can share this with the to the Chris residents the more feedback you get and you might also be able to recruit some for your
committee yeah who is that that look on that correct correct are you on Facebook though are you on Facebook now is that this is a Facebook P Facebook oh that's a Facebook page it's through if you look at Town of aush it's Facebook page right you can get to that that they shared it
today M yeah I don't know where you can find this survey whether it's on the master plan or not um that wasn't the same survey that we pulled up a minute did I go I don't know where else it is in
master plan you have to look at this master plan um more closely and see if you scroll down they might have more of the interactive gives you the timeline it's to how long the master plan development
is going to take um this actually says the community master plan page so apparently there even more so ni so this is a oops Community master plan page so this
shows very similar than to what was done in this room a couple weeks ago when they had their push master plan here at the library um there will be more oh they don't have a push there
um did you want to see any more or is that good no I think somebody commented behind the qu all the comments yeah okay that's so that's it for the master plan so there's actually just some
there's three different options or or sources where people can do the survey there's the two is the ACC cushion and master plan and then there's the um that was open space Andre open space and Recreation and then this one which is
the crowdsourcing one so technically there's three that people can right that way yeah and then they plan on having about five or six more meetings and interactions um they're going to meet here at the library um some of our
events have tabling so you the public can come comment and learn comment so there's one there's another meeting coming up too I don't think it's the one in March but that they have for us to attend that's the open space where this past one was Transportation so each
there's like eight chapters and plan so you were in one chapter the transportation chapter and then the other one's the open space and Recreation so it goes to and if you look at your old one you'll learn
a lot to look at the 2008 master plan now I don't know if available on here they must they gave us something when we yeah I would think it's up
there okay what else we got look I am looking quick to see if I find that y here it is so I can share that if you want I just put town of a kushit master plan um how do I share go back over here
[Music] sh go so this was found with a quick Google search it's probably on the town website too so pre not very
Tech yeah they just scanned it I guess how many 187 but you'll see very similar um chapters so let's see open space and
Recreation so You' be most concerned with the recreation part yeah does it allow you to search now maybe transportation is chapter 7 and there's a 7.4 is bicycle and
pedestrian access in a cushion it cool so that'll be interested from 2008 I know we have one B was probably safer right well cost yeah I'm sure this faster way to do
this anyone knows they can tell me you should be able to type the number in the side but you don't know you got to know what page on the side oh was chapter 7 where you oh you mean p if you know page number yeah I think so that's close here it is
no not really we can yeah I think we should just we'll get it and sorry that's okay there it is so what did I say 7.4 yeah you can right I
can't I can enlarge it you went so you went to 7.5 [Music] sorry I feel like I've seen this book on my finlaw shelf so I will see there it is you got one
chapter one paragraph I can't read it from here this is while the capacity of the street systems and the availability of alternative Transit modes are important components of a master plan so too are the special needs of bicyclists joggers joggers that's so old and pedestrians as
the Public's interest in health and physical fitness grows the needs of the growing segment of the population must also be considered in keeping with the rural nature of the community there are very few streets outside of the Town Center which currently have a sidewalk along one or both sides of the travel
way this is not surprising in light of the very low residential densities and The Limited recreational destinations that might warrant pedestrian access access however there are also no public multi-use or other paths available for non for recreational use by cyclist or
Walkers joggers in town as a result many joggers and bikers now share the street right away with motor vehicles and thereby create hazardous conditions for themselves and the traveling public it's relevant today 2008 and basically
nothing has it's changed I Chang except the amount of people have changed the amount of vehicles has tremendously the density of the population yes it right yes you can compare the number of households back then to the current housing stock or
population 10,000 yeah what was it in8 back then it's probably in the beginning of that plan we find yeah we we it yep
okay now the next we were hoping to start planning a ro um an event at uh the safe roots to school probably another at least another Bike Rodeo coming up this year sometime and
uh I think Angela is Angela here Angela Angela I have to speak up a little Angie there she comes hi all right we're finally at the we're finally
at the uh planning another event so okay we like to at least do a Bike Rodeo we know we want to do another one of those this year but um I I invited and uh Colleen but I didn't hear back from her
so CU I'm sure she can help us with other things that we might be able to do uh we also have things in the master plan that we'd like the master plan that we'd like to list like you know uh try
to make it maybe paint some some kind of bike something or other a walking from between uh the schools and the library maybe or you know whatever make it safer
around the schools if that needs doing but anyway should we try to do the the the ride your bike to well I mean the r we were we talked about doing the ride your bike to school this year but we felt like we didn't have give the day right here yeah cuz I have
that down May is May is bike month so there's going to be different things going on so that's probably one of them right bike to May May 7th is Massachusetts walk bike and roll to school day all right that's cool you can register to
participate so you might want to speak with um Coline or even Mass bike did you say bike walk and roll is that what you said oh it's right there okay R roll escapes
yeah this is the overview this event is held on the first Wednesday of May students and families across Massachusetts will walk bik and rooll to school to enjoy a safe healthy and active lifestyle your school can participate on any day in May that works best so yeah that's good to know Angie
that's good good to know uhhuh and I think Lori was getting at that uh the committee can recruit help from the police department possibly or DPW and to make a um a safe route to
school that day put comes out yeah you could actually even have a police escort depending on what they agree to you know they could put cones they could have parents on the accompany the children on a bike you can look to um
Fair Haven bike bus for ideas they they are mostly on the bike path over there which is wonderful but there is a part where um have to they did have to hop on the road a little bit but hopefully this summer will all be
PR that sounds fun so if we did that all right what about the uh go ahead no I think that sounds great I mean definitely safety would be a concern so we would have have to like
you said you know work with whoever the police or maybe the DPW but um just to kind of create some safe Roots MH yeah you could actually do like just a for a pilot so so so to speak I'm not sure of
the distance but yeah so you you all met it at the library it went from here to school and you went from here to the school with the escort maybe with the cones and you know the library open you know when the school starts yeah so people aren't just riding from
anywhere everywhere right it's a controlled space correct and it's that's how they usually do and and and maybe you know there's a a neighboring uh Community adjacent to the school that would have a shorter trip in
yeah yeah up there there's a lot of those neighborhoods up there would definitely there a couple little couple neighborhoods over there that's about 2 miles I think from the library to the school is it that far probably yeah so you might find
something in between or maybe have two options that way you're not all parking at the same spot and and those that do ride a bike regularly and think they could do that yeah 2 miles would without any difficulty would do the longer one
but then others that are younger and less experiened could do a short one so yep we can work together to plan something up for that for sure okay so that bike what about the
Bike Rodeo do you think it was good in the fall or should it be done in the spring or what what's your opinion on that cuz we could do that any time of year right well the spring is is approaching bike season so it's better to get them be
before they head out than after yeah and you've already done one in the fall and had good response so follow up with one in the spring there you go should ask you well that sounds good yeah I think spring would be good time so you'll reach out to call
yeah probably a good time a year to um teach about bik safety right yeah that's at the start that's what s just said yeah right before the summer Angie do you have any um ability to teach it in the gym
class has that been thought of to teach bike safety within the gym curriculum physic curriculum um possibly I mean the thing is is you know maybe bike safety or maybe something with our school resource
officer um we don't have bikes in order to have students kind of practice that at gym time um in PE so I mean it would really more be like just
kind of teaching them about the rules and the of the road that they wouldn't be getting the biking experience yeah right unless there's programs that I think I was reading about that and they said some schools do have I don't know
how or where they would store them but bikes or I don't know if there's a program or bikes can be there was there was a program uh I know um o did it for a short while they had
bikes um obviously for larger kids older kids than what you have in in the kushit um but there is a a regional effort to collect secondhand bikes uh called bikes for all and that's um being done
from um Westport be Haven Dartmouth and matap poiset and possibly New Bedford right now we're collecting bikes um and that's to be distributed to kids that need one
so there is a possibility that an organization like that could help you out and as long as you had a place to store them right or or borrow them for an EV I wonder how many you need I'm going uh bike Newport does a lot of that goes
into the schools I'm going to look into what they do for the heck of it cuz a bike Newport does a lot of stuff with the with the schools with the kids they so I'm going to look and see what they do and I mean I know they have tons of bikes that people donated but they probably do bring their own but I'm just
wondering how many you need probably don't need a lot like say 10 or whatever you know I don't know I guess I'm just guessing but I I'm going to look into that whole idea that gets you know a little more involved and you have to see the class size is and the size of the
bike for for each child it's a little more involved than um having them come with their bike to the rodeo and and it was good that bill Trimble was there to help with bike fit or ABCs that you're yeah
MH yeah but bike safety at the school uh fiz head level would be great you know just TR to teach them to ride with traffic like not against traffic wear helmet I don't have one of those girls come down that would for the rodeo and go away into the classroom
yeah they probably maybe call in those two girls were down there that Rodeo yeah the instru yeah yeah I mean they did a fantastic job why they can't he can't come right into the into the classroom
maybe have to talk to Angie to the school to the school well that's a possibility they probably do that they were from Mass fik yeah maybe trying something in where if they could come during the school day
and present to the students and it might just build up a little more enthusiasm for or awareness of the event that would maybe follow um I know we talked about in the fall it's always there's always so many things happening at the same
time and um that I mean just the the spring sports that would be true of probably most weekends in the spring too um but maybe just having something at the school during the school day so that
students are interested in then sending that message home that there's going to be an event yeah Andie does does a school have a Facebook page you can advertise that on if we had another bike Ral yes and we advertised the last time
also but we can do that again of course yes okay cuz I went around I had Flyers made and I went around to a lot of businesses and I went to the schools and dropped off flyers and they no one seemed to be aware of what we had we
were having this thing you know yeah we put it um on the Facebook page and we sent it we put it in the parent newsletter also okay great um so if we had like business business is in town
like I went to Christian a crey twice and asked them to to PO to post that and nothing of that became of that I mean there was a lot of kids at that school I mean a lot of kids go to that crey they might not allow that no
they had other stuff they had other posted on the other side of that building I'm just saying that it should have been was our first one we had a had a great we had a great turn on next time
we a fly on a wall anyway I can't remember if we talked about maybe trying something in the spring when the days are longer something after school as part of do you have after school programs Angie that where the
kids stay after to do crafts or book groups and things like that do you have anything like that that's not um yeah I mean I don't know I'd have to figure out how I'd have to think we'd have to think about how that would work
just thinking that you know students are already at school often times parents are not all parents we have bu students but families are coming to pick up students would it make sense to have something after
school it's certainly worth trying I yeah I mean I my only question would be about what what about your working parents like you know they work till 5 or 6 or so they would not be able to participate um I don't know I don't know
if that's an issue I mean I think you want the parents there right learning and and yeah right so you know I know that weekends are are a little bit more of a struggle because of sports and all of that but I I don't know that uh I just I you know you think back of your
own experience I could never attend anything that was sort of during the work day because I was at work all day so and I'm sure that there are many that are like that all the bus students I'm going to guess are probably working parents yeah or even if it's not like immediately after school
but yeah you know a little bit later I just don't know if we're going to capture a larger audience on a week night I mean I know people also have activities on week nights too yeah yeah but it's worth talking about even even
for us like I don't know if that for me that's an option right I don't know if it's an option for you so there's things that we need to consider around the planning side of it as well so I don't know we can definitely talk it through right
yeah see what fits for most mhm what months what besides may like when would be the good time to have the next B the spring Bike Rodeo well school ends the end of June so anytime before then I know but you
know the I'm thinking about weather too May May and June are probably the best weather months before the end of the year yeah I well if we're already looking at at at
pulling together a bike to school day in May would it make sense to do the rodeo in June so that it's not two things like two weekends apart or something like that oh it makes sense to do the rodeo first to tell them how to ride on the
road so that would be April or what's the date of the May 7th it says May 7th so you can take do any day that's that's just they would like you to do it in May but it doesn't mean it has something in it yeah all
right April is kind of usually not that great kind of cool all right well I think that's uh covers about what we can do with that today can start planning it and think about it so it's a
good start yeah I mean I think it would be good to hear from Mass bike just to have an idea of what our options would be for dates and times and all of that yeah yeah I can send Colleen an email and tell her you know what we talked about
and see if she can help us out okay all right thanks for chiming in here with us thank you thank you Angie thank you Angie thank you so this is the registration
page so you would click on the 57 what bik and roll oh wow look at all the L yeah just see [Music] um there a couple down our way it's one in
newford May 7th Alo Alma Del the charter school mhm I think that's on Church Street oh I think there's um there's one there used to be one on asou I don't know if it's still there asou I know it was up that somewhere average daily
bikers 10 average daily Walkers 20 estimated 50 people yeah Church Street okay they want so many stickers bookmarks like Lanes up there not not
Church Street but CH Church tree has wide um wide no sidewalks but it's wide yeah and they have the wide fogl in it's like 5 ft yeah okay
new business I just wanted to say about poke Park other than poke Park parking lot what was it it's I drove that through there too to see what the paint it's all about the paint what the you know cuz
what was the somebody told you what was what was why did that come up oh I I just happened to drive in one day and I wasn't sure where the road went the one way in out it's like it's a big you oh right and then the road just
sort of goes through the middle of the parking lot it's clear you think that right but the second time I went I went recently to check it out again and I went all the way to the back of the parking lot and the stamp that says Barrow tells you to keep
going one of the interor ones where they should have had one it wasn't visible and then if you get all the way down the back then you make a sharp right and then another right to get out it's like a square it is a big view in and out and
then but not seeing the the lines painted well you just take just go just go right through the bucket right and you don't do that because the kids are getting out of the cars opening the doors and running to the parking lot to the playground so I thought that was
something should restriped yeah when I drove to there I didn't see I didn't go all the way down I just went like around by the park or the the uh playground is but it looked it was really faded they're faded but it looked like is there parking up against the playground
it looked like there was lines there and it maybe so I don't know there's there so the front half is already done near where they put in the veterans flag in that section and then in the back there's parking so you've got like the
playground then there's a road parking then it's open and there's double parking and then it's open which is why I think people just kind of go in the middle of the park one right yeah without any cars in the lot it was hard to see it's confusing yeah it's not it's not well
marked so is that something that we want to put on yeah we are yeah the veteran put that on the Z and master plan and uh yeah you could add that you would want to add um maybe a shared used path around the outside so
that people could enter on foot and bike and go around do they actually park in that middle there oh all the time I mean you're supposed to park there well there should be lines there cuz very very old lines some you can see some you cannot see very old lines cuz I
know when I went to a ceremony the Veterans Day we went around there and I just went I didn't see a I didn't see any L they redid nicely near the veteran section yeah they even have like a veteran plaque you can park here if you're a veteran
beautiful look nice but then you get in the back absolutely okay so that's good you can talk to uh DPW DPW or if you have parks and wreck do you have a parks and wck Department I don't know but certainly put it on the master
plan you can click on that survey and zoom in on Pop Park and right read I'll comment what you just said but what we want now that could be done now not in the future correct you you can do both I mean we can put on the master plan and
then what I was thinking is that we could make the recommendation to the town that hey like we did for the signs we could say listen this is this is a hazard and and you know even in the parking lot at Town Hall like they they heard us and they responded yeah they responded and I didn't I never know what
they were so now with my girlfriend we go around you see those everywhere yeah yeah yeah I told you know what those are for I don't know well I do right right right right yep absolutely so
okay uh that's it next meeting so I wonder if we want to schedule go ahead I got one more thing um about the letter that we you typed up Y and that we all
um we support in support of this path that's sy's going to explain what it actually is well that had to already be done right yeah we did it but I just want to say this is something that we did okay
uh and let it be on on our record here it it's a path that's it's what is it called so the you wrote a letter in support of further study of the northern scen Greenway which will connect Fall River to New Bedford with the pathway through Westport Dartmouth and New
Bedford along Old Far River Road Old Bedford Road I wrot iot the water what is it called the scenic the northern Scenic Green [Music] okay I think
come on okay there we go so yeah I'm looking forward to seeing that uh done well we' reached uh I should say we jumped over three hurdles so okay um all three towns are in
support of applying for more funding to study um it further um Dartmouth CPC awarded uh CPC funds for matching funds for M TRS Grant New Bedford uh CPC approved
presenting um our application for CPC funds to the um city council sorry I looking at that term the city council and Westport CPC
approved um our application also and that's going to go to town in so those are all all the CPC funds along with South Coast Bikeway Alliance funds that were raised through fundraising uh pedal for the path rights will serve as
matching funds for the trail SC should we get it nice work so we thank you for writing a letter of support we had 20 letters of support uh for the application
to you going to have that right oneop again the wiy that ride we had oh that was are we going to have another one this year we may we may that was a fantastic ride thank we got stuck on the bridge P Bridge it broke broke down we
were there for like 45 minutes waiting for the bridge and then we finally they said it's not going to open so we had a backrack and all the Donuts across the bridge right so we didn't have our donut Supply that's the worst part
all right then uh next now we can see if we can schedule so I my thought was that we do 3 months at a time cuz then it's out there people know dates if they want to come right so it would be March April and May no third week or second
week you may have to go to a different location yeah right I figured we might have to go back to town hall but and you set the dates and then find the location yeah that's what we did the last time yeah things can change
yeah so we got the 13th and the 20th in March mhm depending on second or third week how about you Eric Thursday is good for me so the 13th works yeah 13th is
good okay and then April would be the 10th I don't know sound the 10th the T yeah not 2024 and then may would be what the 8th the eth yeah yeah it's
good open 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. location will be to DET be [Music] determined 13 March all right 13 y April
10 13 10 18 yes yep okay see we got March for March 13 March 1 13 oh I got April 10th 10th and May 8th good good
going I'm down okay 6:00 yeah 6:00 okay oops all right all right anything else anybody um I I could share that the South Coast Bikeway is going to have um a bike Summit most likely in May and it
would be the second no we're thinking the second uh Tuesday so the 13th May 13th you can keep that in
mind I put more information yeah yes and it's the South Coast Bikeway that you said doing it yes South Coast Bikeway Alliance and we're also planning a ride the train to Boston with your bike trip on May
4th trying to make train to to Boston but not with bike I walk all around Boston okay we good here give me a second 54 you set right for the ride your bike by the
train yeah we've been talking to South Coast rail nice with your bike with your bike if you don't have a bike might be able to pick up a blue bike at the other end yeah okay March 14th we're having uh a fulln ride in
Newport a full moon ride yeah what well every year every all summer long they have a full moon ride oh full moon it in in newort like newort yeah so that's going to be on the 14th through bike Newport
you say yeah mhm okay that's a lot of fun yeah I don't it's about 13 miles fantastic ride that's in downtown report go around and up we go to Fort Adams watch the sun set and then
we ride Ocean Drive and watch the moon come up I run a race there yeah yeah yeah every year every year yeah that's beautiful starts and ends in Fort Adams yeah for Adams y sounds like the same route beautiful beautiful venue it is beautiful beautiful ven yeah M
okay all right so can I get a motion to make a motion where you Jour J motion to adjourn can I have a motion to adjourn second okay all in favor favor
the Part: 2
[Music] this is Thursday February 20th motion to open I'll make a motion second all in favor
all we don't have to me minut from last meeting yet no mail looking po 5:30 tonight just so everybody knows c r from Catalyst Architects is going to be here it's also supposed to be joining a joint meeting with the facilities committee at
5:30 so we've got an hour to get through these other [Music] things well yeah might as well skip down to D with Steve do you want to touch on the budget you have that 26 budget yeah
St sure and the only thing I wanted to mention about the budget is that um the line item for energy which was for maintenance energy is 52300 um the in The Proposal I put together I put down
$113,000 um as of now we're $1,400 in the red in that account because we shifted the expense for the pump house house electricity to that line item so I went did a little research and I'm
figured uh next year you're probably going to need about $177,000 in that line item to cover the cost of the electricity for um our building the mainest building electricity for the pumps uh water bills
from the town and also the other thing that I've noticed of late like everybody else at least the folks are on the news have noticed that the electric bills are going up especially the delivery costs um and we're uh and the heat the build
we only have one side of our building which is um heated the other side is Cold Storage the heated side uses propane heat and we're getting propane delivery about every two weeks and we keep the thermostat at 60° I can't put it you know when we go
out you know like over this weekend it be 55 five but we have um wedding agents stored on that heated side and their temperature can't below go below 50° Fahrenheit or they I don't want to say spoiled but they'll they'll lose some their um they won't coagulate the where
it's supposed to so but that was the only change I had in the budget that we provided at the last meeting just wanted to bring that up for FY 26 and I know at the last meeting you had mentioned about um expense you know
monthly expense updates um as of today um you know the maintenance portion of the budget looks pretty good I had that I don't anticipate having any significant issues other than the energy
being over at this point and again the supplies is probably going to run a little bit over depending on what we find we need once we get underway um but other than that I think everything else is in is in pretty good shape and we will have some
um we will have some Savings in you know we'll have we'll have residual in those partic in the uh maintenance budget line items by the time we're done the fiscal year
good so if we motion if we move down to step number or item number D there um we have and since the last meeting um you'll see that some of the items on the sheet are somewhat repetitive um they've
just been moved from the ongoing area up into the complete area um we were able to clean up the edges of the ponds in the 14th and the 15th hole um a real sharpening bearing seal Replacements complete um I'm not I'm not going to
boore you by reading through all of these if anybody has any questions on any of those ones in particular um we have completed tree pling SL removal on the right side of the second Fairway in that particular instance
there were approximately six trees that I had to get some uh assistance uh from tree company to remove um reason being that they were all leaning towards the Fairway I could have easily dropped them it wouldn't have been a problem but I
would have made a mess out of the edge of the Fairway so instead of dropping them we had them come in they bble to get most of them with the bucket truck had to do a little climbing on another one but they were in in and out in the day and we also went back to the tea and
I know that very large pine tree on the right hand side of the tea um it was such a nice tree I didn't we didn't take it out we pred it up and it was pred up to the point if somebody's hitting the ball that high that ball ain't going anywhere anyway because it's a good uh
so those water branches are gone yeah all the branches are gone if you look at that tree it goes up and there's one branch that stuck out about 90° and that's where we stopped but that that thing's got to be 65 ft off the ground I can still hook the ball I'll be able to
hook the ball again probably to play from the blue te it oh yeah sure it does yeah that's what hopefully everyone uses the left side that make the it make the hole look bigger and you'll be able to see you know you really couldn't see the
Fairway bunker brings that into play visually which mentally brings it in when you're you know you're and all you play was on the left side of the of of tea boxes yeah yeah nobody would use the right side hopefully we can encourage some people to use the right side uh we did take
some of the trees out of the back right hand corner the second green um in the area where the field controller was um and all the one thing I did want to mention about the tree removal is once once trees are fell that and we'll be going back in and doing some stump
grinding um at the time we were doing the tree work I I didn't bother to bring the stump grinder in because it was during that time where in the morning it was somewhat cold but then it would heat up and the ground was just getting too mushy so I didn't u i how is it now the
ground hard as rock actually it's a skating rink because there's ice ice just about everywhere we were we had intended to go out and and start uh tree work again today but everywhere we were going to go was uh was too ice I mean the footing wasn't decent enough for to
be running chainsaws and dragging stuff to the chipper so hopefully we get a little bit of warm weather this weekend we can get back out we got the left left hand side of the 18th Fairway to finish um we have uh the area behind the third green to clean up um move those pine
bolts and and straighten that area up so hopefully we'll be able to and do that next week again our spring um spring projects are um similar to what you you had seen before
um those are still uh up for work uh coming this spring um we've been able to get out and work right along up until this past week where with the cold not so much the Colder Weather but just the ice accumulation in places um okay it's
even with the four-wheel drive on the tractor once the tractor and the chipper and the trailer start sliding there's no stopping it until you hit a tree or something else so we did some work inside we were able to repair and stain all all our bluebird boxes we made uh we
had some um basically some rot on one of the metal doors um we had to reframe the door and um the metal studs which came right down to the floor The Spill plate or the bottom portion was completely rotted out so we had to put in a new one
of those and get the door so it opened and closed again to the break room um we're probably in relatively near future going to have the same issue with the front door just because of the uh the snow and the ice and the weather from the outside is eating away on the outside now it's
working its way on the inside um we also uh we if you look down under spring projects we have the uh um uh where is it uh the have to mark I
excuse me wrong spot um we have to mark the boundary lines that were surveyed to the left of the 9th T um you know we made a jig up to do uh 1 3 3T concrete 4x4s in the ground and we'll and drop a
little piece of rebar into the top we'll probably once the install we'll paint them orange but we'll put a little piece of rebar in the top that way if they do for some reason can't be' be able to find it with with a metal detector um so uh for the buker work um
that was uh as requested um bought up to the board of selting again at the February uh fourth meeting of the board um unfortunately as I mentioned in an email to you folks um we basically
didn't get didn't get a hold of the contractor soon enough and he filled the spring slots that he had available he's got three projects going on he said he could probably do a fourth but he feel more comfortable doing that project in
the fall where um because that way he could you know um he wouldn't didn't want to spread himself too thin um so we'll be doing that in um in August between August and November um the board of Selectmen
decided at that meeting that the golf committee needs to put together an article that would cover that expense for that project to be submitted for the uh the Spring Town Meeting which I believe is tentatively scheduled for
some time in May the issue though is that we have to have that article on Mr C's desk by the 21st of February which is tomorrow if you remember at our last meeting I gave you that memo from the board uh
from Mr Kelly and about halfway down through the memo it listed that uh article information had to be on his desk by the 21st so that was uh from the meeting on the 4th with the board of Select and that's what I was instructed to bring
back to the golf committee um in regards to that project and funding that project um the other item that was disced at that meeting on the 4th was the Toro sprayer the 5800
multipro sprayer um that machine is is sitting down at uh tur products in nfield Connecticut um last week our sales rep stopped by I gave him the nozzles that we would like to have
mounted on the new sprayer they're going to calibrate the sprayer and then the sprayer will be ready for delivery the end of I asked to have it the end of March um one of the reasons why I asked to have it at the end of March is because the board of selectman requested
that uh I submit paperwork that would declare that item as Surplus equipment and once it's declared at Surplus and I believe that is an item on the agenda next Board of selecting agenda once it's declared Surplus it'll be put up for
auction the idea being that they wanted to see if they could get more more for that item being put out for auction than they could trade the trade in value that Turf products was going to provide so
obviously if we get more then it'll be sold through auction if it's not um greater than the the value to Turf products set for trade in uh it'll be shipped out once the uh the new machine is uh delivered at the end of March the other the other point of
Interest with regard to that sprayer is that the board of selectman decided that they wanted to pay for the sprayer outright they don't want to have a 5-year dollar buyout lease and they decided that we would be
paying for that piece of equipment outright through the existing article that we have um the balance of which is 10,576 30 if we take the 75449 960 from that total we would have
a residual in that article of 26,1 12670 um we also have at this point um uh where's Capital here we have a balance in the capital account of [Music]
26568 so we have room to do other projects one several of which could be cart pass the question is uh do we want to pursue them and the other question as mentioned uh with our last meeting in regard to cart paths is the C paths will
be economically feasible if they are done through the DPW now obviously uh as I mentioned last time and as we had done going forward we pay for all the materials we pay for the
time that the DPW spends on doing car path work and installation so there is no non Golf Course SL Enterprise funds being spent at the golf course when uh car paths are being installed question
is if we're want to do them we have to decide about the particular spots we're going to do them so Dan and I can get together and we can put together an estimate of what it's going to cost to do those see which ones we can do falling Within either the residual from
that article or the monies left in or some of the monies left in capital projects account uh so that's uh that's where we stand with the 5800 sprayer um and I just wanted to as a sidelight um I don't know if anybody had a chance
to see it or read it but yesterday I emailed out this article um that was appeared in uh Golf Course industry um that discusses equipment
life and Equipment purchasing uh different Avenues of equipment purchasing I don't know if any everybody saw it um it was by Terry buin the thing that's interesting uh everybody always asks about equipment and our equipment
is the longevity and condition of our equipment a lot of times is based on hours and he did give a conversion for people who are interested uh who need to convert equipment
hours um to uh something like automobile miles so it's more you know people can get a better grasp of what that is so for instance Turf Equipment engines you know 500 hours equals 100,000 M on a car
1,000 hours = 200,000 car miles 3,000 hours equal 300,000 car miles just as an example that sprayer that we're just turning in the mile the hours on that is [Music] 3,223 so you're looking at over 300,000
mil on a particular car the other interesting part about that is that they were he provided a really interesting breakdown of what is thought to be equipment longevity based on cool season climate which we are one of transition
zone which is down in Maryland down that way and then warm season grasses which are the vi to Grass folks down in Florida South Carolina North Carolina and it's interesting to see he went over green equipment col approach equipment t-m was Fairway M did did a real nice
job covered everything so if any everybody has you know when we have a chance if you take a look at that if you have any questions about it it's pretty much thorough and pretty much standard uh across the industry as far as the information he
provided um uh to that end I just wanted to supply some information um in the past we had discussed some other pieces of equipment uh these are pieces of equipment um for instance the procore two airators that we have are circuit
2006 that means they're going on 19 years um of age um and these are the update price quotes we had gotten price quotes from tur products back in 2003 for these same
items these are updated price quotes the first being the 4 648 which is a walk behind airator the 684 which is a three-point hitch airator the vent TR is a rough mower um that we discussed and we actually showed
the the brochure with the the pictures of the particular unit we've had one down to demo it that price includes the cutting unit or the vent track unit itself a 8T I believe it's no I think it's excuse me six 6 and 1/2 ft uh
rotary cutting deck uh floating rotary color de cutting deck or what they call contouring deck under that would go underneath the machine or excuse me out front of the machine and you also have a a brush hog that go that would go out in front to cut the areas uh to adjacent to
the 17th hole 13th green 12 te um that we cut once possibly twice a year and the third Implement was a radial arm that would be used to go around and cut around the ponds themselves so we don't have to send a brush mower a brush mower
and a uh three guys out there and take a week and a half to do it if we can cut them once or twice a year we can keep the Woody vegetation down and not have as much of an issue with briers and other things so those where those prices
are concerned the other items that I haven't gotten updated prices on yet are utility vehicles um and at some point we're going to have to replace one of the tractors and it would be best right now our tractors are 40 horsepower tractors so they're on the basically on
the edge of operating efficiently some of the attachments equipment attachments that we have to go on back so I would propose going up to uh to 50 horsepower and again I've actually I called the uh the fellow who does our
Fairway ation because he's buying tractors me know once once or twice a year to replace his Fleet and to see what what he's getting and you know the size and what he's using to run the air Raiders and so on because that would be
part of the the biggest uh use of these particular machines um the next item is uh if you remember about this time last year we had a meeting over town hall and my uh my friend John came in and he had a book
that had clear span written on top of it and we had discussed an additional building um the reason we I wanted to discuss an additional building right now we have a warm storage portion of the building and a cold storage portion of
the building both of which are not adequate to store uh the equipment properly and allow us to have a an appropriate equipment servicing area in the maintenance building so
equipment can be repaired and um routine work as well as repair can be done in a in a timely fashion we have no parts storage whatsoever um the only part storage we have is on um you know our previous
mechanic Rich used to work years ago at Sunbeam and Sunbeam had these big trailers that they'd stack with bread and they'd roll out to the end of the building and that's how they would load the trucks well we were able to pick up a couple of those and some being closed
down and that's what our Park storage is entails so this building if you look at the that little schematic it's just a small schematic that I put on the SEC you know the second page it's 40x 50 ft
40 ft front to back 50 ft left to right it's got they C call a monos slope roof so the roof would be sloping to the back so snow or any other material would be running off the back this is a steel building um it's uh I talked to the uh
fellow down at clearan which is located in Connecticut gentleman's name is uh is is Brad I don't remember his last name off top of my head but he deals primarily with their Municipal work um they've done building in free town and
I've actually got some information from the fellow in Freetown about what would be involved in a foundation what they do is they Speck out the buildings and then the buildings come it's kind of like an Erector Set it
comes it gets dropped off um and you can either have them install it or you can install it yourself if we were to have them install it that price of $80,000 goes up to 136,000 because it's
prevailing wage so I had been talking to Dan and you know Dan has done you know quite handy I don't think people really know how how capable Dan Bernard is in doing things but he had installed a similar
building with Insulation at at his house to to serve as a garage and you know after he and I got talking about for a while he said oh yeah he said we could probably we do that you know in a week or so you know your guys and my guys helping each other
out putting it together he said his building was the same size the only thing was his roof was you know pitched and he had to uh he rented a uh the lift so they could put the you know put the roof on um but that price would you know
I put this out there for consideration because everybody looks at that and they say oh $80,000 well if you consider that a new fairway mower or a new rough mower right
now of 4500 to replace the one one that we have is uh 8205 right now so you're basically getting a building to house equipment and properly um keep it out of the weather and extend its life expectancy
for the price of one piece of equipment so I don't expect anything to happen tomorrow but I think is something we could we should consider um I spoke with the clear span folks I told them I said look I said at the earliest this might might possibly happen in
October of 2025 the end of October beginning in November but this again I mean if we have a fall town meeting you could put propose an article just to cover the construction of this building um but I think it's it's well worth the
uh it's well worth the effort um and my concern is you know for our current operation but my concern is also for the future and you know at 5:30 we're going to have another meeting here with a
group of people who were who are uh empowered to come up with an idea for a clubhouse and so on um right now if my primary staff retired tomorrow you would have a significantly difficult time
replacing them especially from the mechanic standpoint by bringing someone into our shop to say okay this is what you have to work with um and by that I mean you know we are lucky in the sense that you know our mechanic you know Norm is is an old
school guy kind of like me was you know was a superintendent his brothers used to be mechanic TPC now I I don't know where his brother moved on to um but very knowledge were very capable of doing things uh What uh my friend om
used to turn the old Yankee Way and unfortunately there aren't too many of those folks left so what the gist of all that conversation is that we're trying to establish a circumstance where we can
have upgrade the equipment repair portion of our operation not by going out and buying a whole new building and and so on and so forth which would cost you over a million bucks but being able to move equipment out of the existing
building then we can get in there ourselves we can build shelving we can do other things for storage we can actually if we needed to enclose the Grinders um our Grinders right now sit inside that building um in back in the
corner um and the only reason they're capable of doing that is because they have covers most of the time Grinders are put in in separate grinding rooms so I put this out there because obviously it has to go through the processes of the golf committee first then to the
board of Selectmen I'm sure there'll be some discussions if it goes that far and they'll get some push back but at least I wanted to start the conversation because it's something that's going to be needed and you know we've got a you know again a building with the roof is leaking in three or four different spots
the gutters are about to fall off the side of the building we have two doors that need to be placed um you've got a pesticide storage building that needs to be replaced and a pesticide storage building in in of itself is going to cost you somewhere between
70,000 to 100,000 because it's going to have to be heated and so on uh right now we store our pesticides in the warm you know our inventory in the warm side of the building um which um I will say is um
not the most um comfortable circumstance to have to do um it's not a problem um we don't have any issue with it but my only concern is if for some reason that building were to catch on fire everything in that side of the building would be considered hazardous waste and
it would not be reusable salvageable or so on and we would have to get rid of it in that respect I can't leave it in the existing pesticide building because it's not heated and if I left those materials out there you know we' lose you know $5 to $20,000 worth of inventory so don't want
to do that so that is um as far as the uh um primary stuff on the uh agenda that I have the last thing I wanted to mention is the uh maintenance Mondays because the last meeting I had
um I wanted to make sure I went over them and in July we had the date of July 7th which was the mon Monday after the 4th of July so we decided to change that to the 15th of July instead of the 7th
and then in August we did have the date of August 11th but we decided to delete that particular date because August 4th is uh Fairway airation and green and uh
Fairway in Te ation so we're going to be closed that Monday and half of the following Tuesday so I didn't to see the I didn't think it'd be appropriate to have another Monday in a row where we had had that similar situation so we deleted that
day and then last but not least I wanted to provide you with an update on our equipment leases um you can see that the uh right now um we've had a couple items that that come come have come off lease
or will be coming off lease um if you look down in the where it says fiscal year expense for the remainder of FY 2025 we have a$1 16,477
expense which will be for the turo real master 3555 then if you look at FY 26 our lease expense is basically $80,000 that includes
um a payment for the 3320 uh which are the greens triplexes there's two of them and and so and you can you can read down by fiscal year um then you'll see in 20 FY 27 our lease cost drops to
65,000 if we don't decide to add anything new to it in 28 it drops to 45 um and then the last payment would be actually that should be FY 29 that 28,600 which would be the last payment
for the turo um 3320 greens triplexes so that just enables everybody to see where we are as far as least equipment is [Music] concerned okay a lot of information [Music]
there couple of thoughts off the top of my head is one thinking about the C paths that you were mentioning if we do we're going to pay cash for the es sprayer evening that 26,000 and the 26,000 in the budget the capital and I think personally I
think it's probably a good idea to see what we can get done car pathwise and use that as the funding for not sure if other people agree other things just a thought if there's work we can get done through the DPW might we take advantage of the yeah yeah their ability and the prices you would get doing it that way
versus having contracted out roughly roughly 50 Grand to spend there if you did put all that on car path would be beneficial yeah I mean I think the ones that we were considering you may have to spend a little bit of that you know the major one is to try to get the one in
the second hole finished with all the roots and what have you and the reason I call that major is because the car path in of itself is probably 3 Grand 3 and2 at the most the problem is getting out to it so we have to cut through the woods um to the left of the rough on the
left hand side because the trucks would never be able to make that turn up by the bunker um at least the asphalt trucks wouldn't so um and that's not so much it's more of a you know a material cost because we do a similar uh thing to
what we did behind the fifth green and just you know um obviously I take subsoil out come in put you know put a uh a good base down there and compact it and then you know that would be sufficient for the trucks to run over but I can sit I can talk with Dan and
see what we're going to do um you know see what his his availability is and um you know what he you know would determine U to be the amount of time it would take in and you know the actual materials and things are relatively easy to calculate this the question of the
amount of time and you know and when we would be able to get in there and get it done would that his schedule where would that path be like to get the trucks in well if you went um if you went uh down the uh the cart
path to the uh on the right hand on the left hand side of one before you get to the bunker it would I'd either cut into the woods there okay and go if you know that there's a group of trees there on the corner and then it slopes down just
a little bit and then we would ride up through there and come out on the other side um up by the uh up by the rough to the left of the uh approach on the first hole we'd either come in that way or we'd bring the trucks down and cut into
the woods um as you come to the corner coming up the sixth hole you come past the te and you come around that one corner and you come up towards the green we could cut in there um the nice thing about cutting in there there's no existing irrigation or anything um you
know where the trucks would initially go in um in the rough area there we would just we' renovate that once we were finished um depending on timing and stuff I might get some mats to put down there to um to protect the you know I
don't know if you guys have going down Main Street here occasionally see where the electric company or the somebody's working on power lines or something and you can see the set of mats that goes out um we could use those initially and then rovate underneath them I've only
I've got four of those mats myself I can pick up a couple more then once we get into the woods it's just a question of you know what we have to move and and you know what trees have to be removed and so on for for Dan to make a road through there one other item that people
probably interested in knowing if you don't know already we have this thing that you know some people call contingency fund other people call estim retained earnings I got an email from our accounting folks that our estimated
return earnings not verified by the state yet is 1, 98,5 [Music] and9 so that's what's in
the contingency fund or what what he ter estimated earnings yeah we just need a town by okay they said the state has to come in and certify it and then it has to I don't know what the particular particular
Avenue to get that um as the actual number but that's what the report that was given to me was you s off that we get into that F spread it off really twice a year if we do that's where the article money's come from the art you
know if you propose an article if it's approve the town meeting then that is taken the monies are taken from that account and took you know took towards the article that's I mean again that's something I think that really I wish when they you know I'm not a resident of
town so I don't go to town meetings um but when they have Town meetings they present something like that I really think it should be presented knowing that this is coming out of Enterprise fund retain earnings it doesn't have anything to do with the general fund it doesn't have anything to do with
taxation dollars um and so on and like you said sometimes we do have AR sometimes we don't all depends on what the plans are moving you moving forward and what what what we want to get accomplished other than routine
work and then speaking of Articles where you mentioned that tomorrow is the deadline for the Springtown meeting and knowing that was Shifting the funding around for buying the sprayer right when we thought that we weren't going
to yeah cuz we put we need funding for the bun renovation that we've already approved and are going to happen right yeah so it's 137 I'm thinking do we St would we want to ask a select to submit an article for you know 200,000 that way
we spend 137 on the funkers and that's a part of 63 for other things that may come up over the summer if there's any other projects we want to do at least have the funding available yeah I would my thought you know that would be that would be my thought I mean
my thought was basically somewhere in the neighborhood of um 225 because um if you took the uh 137 and you basically added let's call it 83
you get 220 that would if you so I mean if you so choose to do that would provide you with significant sufficient funds to do c path work but that would also if we so choose to do it would Supply funds to
buy the two air Raiders outright because if either of those two breaks after being 19 years old uh I'm up a criek Without a Paddle when it comes to air rating punching holes and doing all that good stuff
the hours on that machine do that trans unfortunately unfortunately airators don't have our meters on them because it's uh the only the hour I guess you could if you wanted to you could use the hour meter on the tractor and every time
you went out you could you could do that that way um you know walk behind doesn't have a meter on it I'd have to check with it it might um I think it does let me see just got yes but the question is John which
one which one did you get a Toro yeah you got the 684 I don't know the number the 684 s which is the brand new model that actually will go over sprinkler head and raise up for you yeah we not matter you know well to make it a make a
story out of it we didn't buy it out right we split it with somebody else oh you so what you so you have the opportunity for somebody else to use it at different time we use it when we use it they don't it's just a matter of transporting it from point A to point B
yeah you have to have the they got it's everything I mean uh superintendent has got a trailer oh yeah it's got a trailer so I used to have to do that for Valley PR I used to have to load up the equipment on the trailer that they provided and drive up to to uh you drive
down New Jersey you drive up to uh um what was it in Worcester Green Green Hill and oh to for helping to AR let me look at the equipment hours just to see whether or not um I didn't think are you still planning on doing
the work on three the bunker yes okay as soon as uh hopefully I if I can get to it um I wanted to do it uh um probably you know in the spring um
that's all going to depend on how things warm up and whatnot I would like to do it once my you know my younger guys come back because I have six guys I can put on it or five guys I can put on it right away um let me see 20 24 hours where's
our airers no it's not on here so it doesn't have an hour meter on it I'm sure the T one the newer t01 does I can check the nor so does someone 200 said 225 we rounding
up was auss does anyone want to make a motion to submit an article for the town meeting for 225,000 order one or any other figure the 225,000 is going to
include what the Toro the bunker work and I mean I think it would necessarily be these but using Steve's math would be the top two but the Toro walk behind in the Toro three-point hit air radar plus the bunker work that we all already one
done those three things add up to like 220 so just round up a few thousand make 225 so the first one Steve's a 4648 is that what you're looking at yeah along with the spray up and the bunker work now if you look at the 648 that's $
399 right and you look at this 864 which is 3 point hitch 43 so if you add those two together it comes up to about you know $83,000 if you add that to 137 that comes up those
two M sprayer work well the bu work out the spray is not on there no well see the bumper you have two instances of being able to do bunker work you have a able to do um the bunker work itself is coming in the fall that's 137 so it
doesn't and this is one of the reasons why the board of Select decided to pay one of the contributing factors to pay for this piece of equipment outright uh the sprayer that is without going through the financing because they F felt that since we had this money in the
article we could make that expense and not lose $112,000 on the purchase through financing over 5 years um so that 137 should be definitely be part of the article
Springtown meeting I suggested these two particular pieces of equipment just because I think those two are going to be the two that are going to go the quickest as far as their longevity but also they are so much older than the newer PE I me they're 19 years older
this Touro walk behind the 6 the 648 a to Green you know two to three times quicker than my little John Deere MH 800 and it makes a significantly better uh pulls a significantly better core or
makes a significantly better smoother hole because of the timing which allows sand you know I don't want to get into all that stuff but let's put it this way the better quality the hole the easier it is to put sand in if you're going to do that and the other thing is the better quality the cut of the hole the
quicker it heals and then the balance the 26k of the balance of the after the sprayer is going to be used for car pass well the 26,1 yeah that would I would suggest be used for cart pass in the spring um
because there's only two periods of time during the course of Any Given year that the Dan's going to be able to help with that and of course we don't want to be doing car pass in the middle of golf season anyway so John it's the contracted 137 C for the bunker work
yeah for the article right for the 225 and the the air Raiders the two airers yeah so that's what the 225 would be yeah and then you would have the other thing that you could consider too is
looking as we get closer to the end of the fiscal year we will see what we have um available budget wise and we'll see where we are in terms of of being under budget and where we are with
residual Capital expense because a couple of things that we do need to purchase Capital wise is that the gate or fence that we want to put behind the ninth ke where that emergency entrance is going to be and the other thing is we have to finish with the guard rail and
the um the the the entrance gate but also the guard roil down at the bottom which is uh I found out the hard last week that we really do need the guard rail he's going 10 m an hour in
four-wheel drive I slid across that corner and my front right tire rim hit one of those rocks $1,800 later I'm back I'm back on the road so it really is it really is a hazard that
um a guard rail would yeah we would have bumped into the guard rail and would have damaged us a little bit but it wouldn't have uh this is I'm and I'm there's five or six people that have done that um and one guy one person total the car Isaac went over top of the
Rock and got his undercarriage and then one of my salesman went between the two rocks and ended up into the into the trees and we had to pull them out with h with the tractor it doesn't get any sun right there no no it doesn't get any at all
nothing wet m so bring this back to does anyone want to make a motion for any particular dollar amount given the deadline of tomorrow for subit an [Music] a yeah I'll make a motion for
$225,000 to be submitted to the spring town meeting for use for the um bunker work and those two airators there's a motion made by Andrew
second by anybody second second by NE any other discussion on that all in favor I Syd maybe you can point is there a specific form do you know as far as requesting the article or is it just only one or two sentence or and you say
who's submitting it so it's all almost like a mini letter for makes me sense we may I don't know I don't know if I have one in here I may have copies of the ones that I think you may have a copy of two H probably my old email that I don't
have anymore yeah right they can yeah I found that out the other day I found out I found out last I why is this stuff getting kicked back oh I'll tell you all right I know we've got you know a frozen ground right now and we're
still in February I just didn't know if you had any ideas if you could have a weather crystal ball or now the time you my CAL ball is looking at the third or fourth week of March depending on as you said depending on how the weather goes because we need to get rid of all this ice first and we need to get we need to
get the you know the ground unfrozen but problems that occur at this time of year especially in early March is that you know right now the ground's frozen water's got absolutely nowhere to go and okay so next week is going to be 40 say the week after that it's going to be 40
so the top two to three inches Tha out the rest of us still frozen so you walk on the top the Bottom's Frozen you walk on the top top slides soon as it slides it shears all your roots so then you wait and say oh you know things are Greening up nice in April you get to the second week of
April and everything's Brown so oops this is the first time in 11 years that we've had cold this long period of time so I mean the last 5 10 8 years whatever we haven't dealt with that the frost I
remember you telling me last year the year before was maybe 2 in yeah we hardly had any yeah I mean I I I look at it is how many times I had to pull my snowballer out of the garage and last year was one the year before was none this year has been five so
found out doesn't like to blow ice either doesn't do good on water either no they make plows for the front of them now yeah oh 310 bucks you can put a plow so it'll push the slush out of the way not mydg freeze in well you
can you your buet is call up Nick and say Nick why don't you come over the other way around call D my all right 34 we got a few here anyway but we look at a what happened to Da I don't know okay Dave D
Roes D Ro um he can't make it he told me that he's working he won't be able to zoom in okay so also Adam desme won't be here either one they have a quum of seven that's
good next meeting I'm not here in much so watching the cats again we looking at Thursdays Thursdays are fun the best thing we have the 6th the 13th the 20th and the 27th for Thursdays
[Music] um I'm not the 13th let's see the 20th or 27th how about the 20th months from now it works for me [Music] no good for
me unfortunately how about the 27th H 27th is good 27 ex March 2730 do what you to do you about matter of fact you want to take a little flight come visit a few
days watch one the was to die Sall meeting room right yeah was just us that's roughly when possing we're going to be in they got a
St be having a joint meeting at 5:30 so I don't think ours is closing until we close out together more the day going to start at 5:30 hope the architect will be here a couple minutes yeah he did email me earlier today that
he was going he was coming so maybe we should just take a quick recess for a few minutes then we'll rejoin once action do we have a motion to open the exploratory committee will someone make a motion to open the meeting
second I'll I'll say I okay uh make a motion to open the joint meeting with the management committee I think we just need one of motion on our end not on their end motion second all in favor all okay so on the agenda we have a guest
from Catalyst architecture who was planning to do a presentation but technolog is not working so you have the floor sir great um I've got an agenda but it's also stract paper can can right on and we're going to have a couple extra copies printed in a minute so I'll keep
one I'll pass one around we'll have a couple more for that end a minute um the only thing I was going to show on the big screen um was the golf course map itself and um a GIS drawing that we've
started with the uh Google Earth uh picture overlay with Contours and a couple of kind of quick um you know observations but nothing critical but then I can you know get that and uh
distribute that in the morning via email and um then we can kind of send it around but depending on what I hear tonight we may even twak it a little before we send it um Here Comes our extra copies orig oh okay um so thanks for
having me tonight um I put a few emails back and forth with David and we written a proposal which is understand on the agenda for the select board next week but we were eager to get things going with you all so here we are um my name
is Kurt rer I am a partner and one of the principles at catalst architecture Interiors in yport um we're very appreciated being selected to work on this project with the town of kushna and golf committee um we understand we're going to kind of
start slow with a study and then as we identify really the parameters of the project and a schedule for the project and the potential budget for the project that will be involved in sort of going back to town hall and back probably to
the um Town election looking for some of money um or at least the borrowing power so that the golf course can um use its own abilities to um um expand uh and
modernize and um so we usually kind of take on these projects start thinking about like okay what are we being asked to do um because we're very happy to design a uh a clubhouse U as we might imagine it and I don't play golf well
but I've been to lots of golf courses um so I I kind of know what goes in them we've designed s um but they're all different um and they all kind of react to um the management
um the the golf course itself um the the players or the membership um so this agenda is just kind of like just a way to get start talking about the project and what's going to be uh important um one of the goals one of the dates we're
trying to hit um for sort of this study but then sort of for the whole project like what would be the dream when would we be breaking ground on something new um and then we to start thinking about the size of the building and where it goes on the golf course we really need
to know what's going to be in it um and how many people will be working there um how many people will be there on a slow day how many people will be there on a full tournament where you're got uh um four or eight golfers on every hole
um and you know also how often is the golf course and the clubhouse going to be maxed out um so all those kind of things are important for us um and like I said we were going to share kind of a site plan and uh you're
all familiar s with you arrive through the parking lot you come up to um your existing Clubhouse which is really a double wide trailer put there 20 something years ago Dana shared with me um and it has a very modest uh um Food
Service capabilities um and but it looks like a thriving Pro Shop and some some bathrooms a little bit of storage area but that's just about it and then you've got the deck and then you go down to the lower level where you've got the tent um
kind of dining area and the day I visited the club um there's a couple young people out there doing sort of your barbecue lunch service um and that's where I kind of thought this this new building would go um and then I
walked around a little bit with Dana and we talked about the other options of like you know could it be uh right between the 18th green and the first Hole uh where the practice green is now which is a big enough clearing because I checked it on the googal map that green
is about 10,000 ft of grass um 11 if you include the yeah and um we think the building footprint might be set by the size of the cart Barn because ideally
the basement of this building would be the c bar um prepared with enough power to charge a brand new Fleet of electric cars um and um so the
um 80 carts roughly fit in about 5,000 ft with little aisles to walk through and connect all the Cs and maybe we add another th000 ft on that level which is storage an area to wash or Surface the
carts um so we're thinking the building footprint at the lower level could be about 6,000 ft somewhere between 5 and 6,000 ft um upstairs it could be smaller bigger um as we start to generate um a
uh sort of building program or a space need needs uh statement of of what should be contained in the new Clubhouse um but I think 101 we kind of wanted to hear the committee's goals on um you know what is
the most important parts of the existing club or the the layout of the course that you know sort are the no touch zones like what are the things that are um sacred what are the things that are familiar um that people really love about the club
um and then sort of like what are the what are the biggest needs what's the um the driving force behind this project is it a a a more Community centered clubhouse that could be used for breakfast lunch dinner tournament
dinners um other community events you know what are the things that are sort of important um for the Golf Community to you know make sure that this design accommodates um and um now we can get into the sort of
new GD but um is there sort of a you talked about like where you really think this building should go um so maybe that's maybe the first question I I should ask the group I would think that we probably all
have our own individual idea like as a group I don't think we we or this is the first official real meeting of the facilities part of the committee and maybe what we need to do is kind of help work through the space program and then show you a couple places where it could
go um and um in two weeks I have beish come to my office and we're going to kind of study the golf course and he's you know kind of familiar with the um the course itself um but as a talented landscape architect working in the golf
realm for a long time he's going to help me plan the paths sort of arrival bagd drop where do you pick up your cart where do you drop off your cart but how do you flow from 9 to 10 do you stop and park in front of the building and go in
to use the restrooms or is there a separate entrance just for restrooms um so that people don't have to walk through with wet or dirty feet to go through the Pro Shop through the dining room to get to a bathroom um it's certainly most efficient if the the
restrooms serve both the people at the turn and the dining room um but so the the location of the bathrooms is kind of critical um the kind of flow around the course when you're starting and then sort of
when you're playing through or you know at the end um and then we'd love for the dining room to have also an outdoor sort of feature like a deck um where people could watch other people
finish on 18 um that was immediately you know adjacent to the dining room um and the bar or lounge um and and maybe the bar in the lounge is a separate space and maybe it's not maybe it's one it's
inal in the dining room itself um and um this building can be uh large in Grand or it could be sort of more practical and I'm kind of been vision something that
is um a little bit agricultural you know like almost like a big barn um it doesn't have to be a post and beam wood structure but it could have that feel um it could be a little
bit more um warm woods and uh sort of casual rather than fussy um and um so those are the kind of things that we wanted uh to want to hear from the committee and as the project
evolves you know don't hold back please say that that doesn't work for us um um so um you know is there is there some um kind
of shortterm goals so to say like when would it be ideal for us to finish this study and present it to the select and and then approach them with sort of the next step and which which will um will
certainly help you come up with a graphic presentation and a project schedule um and a project budget which would include the rest of the design fees and the procurement process the bidding um Award of contract to a
presumably the the low bidder um and um and then the oversight of constructure kind of plan that all out in a very you know simple bar chart um which is sort of easy to um display and for people to understand but it's also it's going to
be kind of simple and easy for us to S of go to the select board or finance committee or wherever this kind of um PR process takes us um to try to sell this to the next level um which we're happy to be a part of uh and it's
pre-standard um so we um so i' love to hear what you would like when you'd like to present this study is there a fall town meeting that would be the ideal time to approach
the town the next step this typically a fall town meeting probably mid late October to beginning of November sometime in that time time frame so I think that we were hoping that we'd have enough information from this process to be able to present something an
estimated cost to say town of aush if we need to borrow X for the project we would at least be far enough along by that point in time to approach them to have the authority to borrow if that's the route we're going to go or at least appropriate the funds and then be able to keep moving right on after town
meeting presumably getting the approval then going into you the actual construction documents bid documents and just keep moving right along because I think if we if this group intends to meet regularly and um over the next two months I think we could come up with a
conceptual design that includes a site plan that's sort that's kind of high level that shows the sort of the arrival and the flow um in the kind of logistics of construction um we'll also kind of in that highlight the things
that are disrupted like if we um if we were to set the building on the new practice scen where did the new practice scen go you know is right back where the old building was and then we could talk about the sort of phasing of that what that means for the construction
process um and then um if that process of kind of back and forth on design with this group takes two two and a half months then we would present all the information that we've
gathered and drawn um to our cost estimator um and he would help us sort of zero in on what the cost would be if we built it today you know or at the time and then they usually add on
escalators kind of predictions of what will inflation or Market escalation probably you know increase the project to if it weren't built until after fall meet town meeting in
2026 so our estimate will sort of look forward um into into the future and and um it's a we'll be conservative in the early going because we're only kind of doing this conceptual study um we'll be
sure to tell people in the study that okay these are the next steps we'll go a little further in design and we'll have much more detailed drawings we'll go back to the estimator they'll double check that number again um that's the point at which we if he says hey we're over budget then that's when we all kind
of say what could we do without or what could we do less expensively um is it making the building a little smaller or is it making it a little shorter or what is it we could do to NP tuck to get back to our budget
um and um we would kind of see that this next this initial study phase could last 3 to 6 months so the the design part is in the estimating is like 3 months the other 3 months is sort of
maybe showing it to the board of Selectmen or whatever venue you would like to have maybe it's at the club it's it's an open house and people come display the drawings and people ask questions it's just to kind of build support um but I think will be
definitely ready with a schedule and a budget in a design well before Town Hall would have to publish an article um which I assume if you town meeting is in October or early November it probably has to be late August that
we're have a number in line guess [Music] yeah um we a meeting with David last week he mentioned he wanted us to report back to him with some numbers by June and I think some of us thought that might have been a little
bit a little bit tight of a window is that correct how I remember that well that was for the June meeting right second which had to be in a month before which if we were building a shack we'd have no problem with that but yeah I'm
not saying that we should shoot forun I think we need to go back to to the to the select and tell them that more more realistic now so that they can get their ducks in a r for last is there a special time being in June or something that they there is one in June one in November nov okay it's actually may this
year it's I thought it was June 2nd sched may I don't know if they change that so they'll probably we'll probably um bring that up at the next meeting to solidify that whatever we come up with has to be
completely done before the the me a month before the meeting right so like you said Mee of October is the latest it has to be completed for the November meeting and um if we work
yeah having having an estimated Hand by it's a May 2nd for a June 2nd town meeting is aggressive but it's possible um if if um if we really really really
had to do that um now what does that gain us um we would then um that town meeting article presumably we be looking for a the support for the
project and B the next lump sum of money to get us through a construction set of drawings perhaps um and then the town um probably would like
to go out design a project go out to bid have a number that's certain and and get to the next town meeting or a special town meeting with that number um if the design process sort of after this
conceptual phase could take 6 months and then bidding and know contract award like eight months so if we got permission in June to start designing that money
probably isn't available until July and then near eight months so it may make sense if it's if it's a um you know acceptable process for the town to look at a special town meeting specifically to approve this
project instead of waiting till the next fall because ideally the best time to build this project would be sort of November 1 like sort of after year September October High season would be the would be the best time to sort of tear into the into
the Earth and and tal building we part of the project could be bringing in some sort of small trailers to run the pro shop and the offices out of for a couple of months and put that in the parking lot and then the contractor could have
the existing building Pad Plus our new building pad um to kind of go after it um if you need to stay maybe the building is decited so that you can stay in the existing trailer throughout the
whole process and the new building is literally built behind the existing one that would um a little bit of might make the construction duration a little bit longer um but it would save
the cost of renting a temporary Club facility you know oper you know a trailer to manage the operation of of the golf course um the construction of the new building will probably take 8 to 12 months so we'll start to build out
this schedule of sort of when could we design it when could we fund it um when could we start when should and hopefully that all kind of line up so that um The best scenario is that we would open bids in September take them to an
October town meeting get authority to go ahead with the project and break around no um you know and that probably can't be this fall it would have to be next unless the town had a special time
meeting um or a May time meeting would be okay um it's just when we take the bids from a contractor we typically have to tell them in the bid documents that you're going to if you're the successful bidder you have to hold your price for
60 days and commence construction on and with the economy the way things are these days people are sort of only willing to hold their bid price for x amount of time can't really ask people to hold it for 180 days so um it might be better um
to entertain a a special town meeting um once the bid is in hand um but that can all be kind of pre-planned um so it's um um I think we'll we'll be able to prove what the building needs to
be um do you [Music] anticipate the um any sort of push back from any group in town on on the expense and the cost and or neighbors
or a certain threshold yeah you know I mean somebody's going to fight back at some point I mean it stays within an acceptable range and is it is it a is it a project that the operations the the revenue of the golf course itself is expected to
pay the loan up yes yeah okay is there a budget I know there's a budget but is I'm sure they have something in mind yes right I don't right I I don't I mean I'm sure again us select finance committee Etc probably individually have thought
about I don't think there's a consensus yet done as to where we should be but it need to do that fairly soon because we want to your C of guidelines as to I mean I think they have a certain square footage in mind but as we just discussed if you have to anticipate Cost Storage and there are things that they might not
be aware of that are actually part of the the project that we have to discuss and review s brought up only because of the zoning being in a residential area I think us saying if it's over 3,000 sare ft we might need a variance from a b but well not VAR from the you know no
objection I should put it that way that's issue that includes any inside space and outside space you're going to use square footage is you could over 4,000 5,000 ft monster if you want it
there's not going to be an issue with that no is that in to exceed what we currently have or is that just for the project itself what do you mean what we currently have that would trigger that you would have to get up increase over 3,000 square 3,000 ft
commercial building which it is you have to go for variant gotcha whether like like gbot said the cing Farms or nor Farms they're going to give it to you the town will give it to you yeah if you need it right yeah it's so that's not even an issue but you have to keep in
mind if 3,000 ft is not the building if you're using that outside area to eat in right where the tent is that that is included in that 3,000 M well and you we exceed 3,000 right now with the tra Run a
10 but you may not have an existing variance or or an existing special permit do you have the permit for that tent no no I meant zoning approval cuz it may have been erected or existing T 40 by 60 yeah so it's not
quite 3,000 but you got the trail right right that's another 2,000 ft right there I think your questions are going your decision is going to be gotten to by answering a lot of these questions yeah who's your public what are you serving what your public want the number
of if you have a pulled off 144 people right so a minimum you want to be able to serve 150 people and you want to be able to do that inside inside not outside the dining room itself is 1500 ft and then we also I mean we have to
consider operation of your equipment passing by a setup area forward we need to put CS the yeah the circulation do not I don't know if some people here are on in the uh building committee not might not be uh familiar
with Tim Garris Tim Garis is the architect that I've dealt with for course improvements for the past I don't know 10 15 years anyway he's he's the uh architect who did the uh the plans and designs for our bunker renovation
project that's going to take place in uh August um so he's he's very well equipped at determining those types of circulation issues and how you're going to move people around and for instance considering the fact that not only you
know the location for the clubhouse putting it up by the putting greens a nice thing but you have to consider there's a 6in irrigation name running underground there with communication wires and you know not that that's the most important thing but you have to
move that so um and you have to fa facilitate that getting to where you want to put your new green but you also have to facilitate it getting to where uh it originally was going in the first place so Tim's got all that circulation information down but those are all you know those are all the types of things
that you as you pointed out list that people should go back and think about and say okay you know the these are my thoughts on this and and then when that group gets together they can go where the tent is now but maybe the views to the first and 18
aren't exactly what you want but maybe it's easy to clear some trees or Vista BR to get the view of the 18 Po from the din one of my concerns was and I I mean I like the find of green idea but if
it's not feasible it's not feasible and the further back you put it food deliveries and trucks you got put them back and create space for them to come in turn around and get out so right we don't want them to have the hand truck that's plus we want the clubhouse to be
presented when you come in right so if it's on the putty it's kind of chy good you're behind your your septic system is pumped up to in front of the 17 so you have you know your circulation pattern is going to take you to affect
where that is and how you get it pumped because your leash field is in front of the 7 right the pumps now that's South so south of the 1 it's in front no it's in front of the T towards the
green okay okay should we just like spitball here as a joint committee and then the facilities committee takes it more in depth the next time like you know is should we just go down these and try and answer them all as a group and
and I'm not sure we'll get there we we'll come to a conclusion or consensus on all of them but I'm just going to kind of recording all the ideas um and I'll be sure to tell you the good ideas that I can't solve the problem you know I if there's a it's a really great idea if I can't make it happen I'll be sure
to alert you um but um yeah be I'm I'm happy to kind of listen and and scribble down anything and everything that anybody thinks is important but also Kurt should you be with the facilities committee after this like should you be a part of every
meeting does that make sense or have we already figured it out where it's only you guys is he charging by the hour just a pretty face um so maybe could I pause and ask the golf committee versus the facilities
committee yeah what are your roles and sort of how much will you be meeting jointly it's okay if you do with me but I so so the the facilities committee was created more to be like in this stage
right now more directly working with you in the ideas and the and the concept conceptual where we're going to go and then once the concept or a couple of Concepts you know maybe a b and c whatever kind of agreed upon with that
group I think the selectman's thought is then oppos from that group to the golf committee to the Selectmen and then through that process of the three committees all together like hey you know what this is what as a town we want to push forward so the initial stages app tonight will
be primarily with the facilities committee okay D can I ask question so what you want from us is literally a recommendation or at least a couple ideas multiple recommendations suggestion options suggestions
recommendations options right yeah but you want something like Concrete in the sense not just or whatever you guys I think more it should be more individual and then combine it and then go through it and say okay this is what we're going to present to the golf
committee we go through it and then we go through and this is what we're presenting to the selectman the selectman kick it back and say this go back to the facility or go back to the golf clean it up okay and I right I
think what initially we would draw a couple of concepts of where the building might sit and the path surround it and like you said from a golfer arrival to you know the Pepsi f um and um and then
how do you come to the golf course from 900 on your way to 10:00 um and where do you lead your cart and you know that's a concern of mine as well cuz depending on whatever side of the operation or how how we've run it over the years we did
it sometime collected them on the side or we put them out front so if we can organize that and put forward a plan that can kinding area that in the the initial concept I don't think there was much attention given to the idea of
circulation and and movement and and not putting not putting people in a particular spot because it was necessary but then those people get in the way as Neil alluded to if you're going to go to the extent of having a nice building you don't want to have to walk 155 yards to
get to the building you want to have it as your presentation but then how you're going to augment your parking lot to address where that present takes place and as David mentioned how you going to augment your parking lot so when he has we have 150 people out there but he
needs a delivery that semi can come down and make the delivery and not have to you know cut the corner and you know run over Steve's grass yeah run over somebody's car with grass so I think you know that the site planning will
generate a couple of concepts with a rectangle in it the rectangle is the future build it and then there'll be once we kind of pick us a a site plan that works we can make the building um and um if we have sort of A and B we
can't decide then maybe we say okay the building um in the B site scheme all of a sudden the dining room is too far from 18 maybe the C scheme was better and we just kind of move everything forward um
there is plenty of real estate over there SP you don't necessarily have to stay in the footprint that you already have you know there's you know there's car can be rerouted and so on I mean our course is
unique and that you have access to the first T then you can play one through six because six comes back to the Pro Shop you can play 789 because that comes back to the pro shop and or you could play 139 as a front you still come back
so you have a lot of options for moving things around youve got plenty of dead space behind the 10 T that you could use it's currently got some dead trees in it that's about it so there's a lot of you know there's a lot of opportunity to uh to move things around and
reposition um where the carts are now are sort of in a Corral down by the driving range yep um what will happen there when the carts come presume potentially underneath the
building did we did we talk about moving like a a practice area toward that that all depends on on how you want to how you want to approach that um because obviously one of the more important things to Golfers these days especially
younger golfers is to have these practice areas where they can you know say they have an hour or 45 minutes before they play or they just have an hour they can't go out onto the golf course but they want to practice chipping shots to a pitching green or something like that so that could be
incorporated into it again it all depends on your you know basically what what we I call bubble diagram where you you know where you start moving things around and say okay we put this there what happens okay we can't do that so we take it put it over here and ship this over here and see what happens with that
but the carts yeah I mean obviously the carts right now are not in a friendly spot for the folks at the pro shop to be able to use them and get them in position for people to use those carts need to be moved I would you know
in just in my opinion within 40 40 yards of the the facility where you're going you know and how's your how are you going to handle your starting how are you going to access your starting position from where your carts are stored yeah I mean who knows the one of the better places to put the carts might
be where the existing tent is right depending on how you finagle yeah um a couple of courses we worked on S basement space if you have the grade changes and you kind of do um we You're Building sort of one foundation for the
clubhouse but it also creates a basement for it's it should be less expensive than building a card bar and a clubhouse um so there's an efficiency there that I've been thinking how am I going to make that happen two one in8
that you pick up and your drop spot so it kind of [Music] fit yeah well yes we we stone with a dollar bio yeah so we at the end we can trade them in and get a value for can you start a new lease with
I'm I've been meeting with Club C trying to he's going to we're doing a write up for the sequence of our CS to um to coincide depending on women this construction transp I think the earliest we can do a full Fleet is 2028 or we can do a half Fleet I think you said by the
end of uh 2027 but I'm going to get all that written up with gas and then battery um and then lithium battery so we'll have different prices and different ideas to see how we want to uh include it in the
um and however we decide to build the building and whever we want to put them do those leases coincide with like January to December is that it there uh no they are uh through um July 1 I think starts the fiscal year okay coincides
with the fiscal year in order to start a new lease you have you know for most most times your first lease payment is 30 days within the um acceptance of the contract so for instance here we couldn't if we had
monies budgeted for use this year in particular FY 26 which starts July 1st if the monies were budgeted in the FY 26 budget we can't have the guard golf carts delivered in April unless they're willing to offset that first pay payment
all the way till the next next year so you have to be careful about that crossover because then it it runs in the budget problems and sends the finance people for Crazy Land [Music] so a question for your group looking at
this sheet here with all these questions on here there are things for us as a facility committee that we need from your group to give us an idea of what your priorities what do you have to have in this building that way we can
incorporate your ideas with the architect so we come up with something and it's going to be a back and forth there may be times when we say hey we need you guys at our meeting because a couple things we need a little bit of clarification of but I'm looking at the you know one-onone up here like what are your important goals it would
help us greatly to have some clarification as to what exactly some of these things are priorities what you need to have in this building I think that would be Dana yeah I mean right now the that's you have
basically no offerings outside of your basic food amenities right when guys finish playing golf They top po grainy is sheltered location with either heat air conditioning televisions place to sit that's comfortable which currently it's just an outdoor tent so we want to
incorporate a place where they can kind of flow through get an extra bite to eat on their round the golf if we have an outing something that can possibly facilitate 144 to 150 to 160 and that could be a combination of indoor outdoor
space but the outdoor space is partitioned off with sliding glass doors or you know some ways that you can make a smaller space a little bit bigger you'll have potentially 144 people playing golf you have additional people coming who didn't want to play golf most
of our outings are charitable type events so you have additional people other than people playing golf who want to participate at some point so you might look it up WS of maybe you know 200 person we we' had them upwards ofac we have
200 can I ask question how many non golfers come to the course I mean not specific number just for lunch how many like non c will sh to the cost on occasion one or two here or there but
not not too many we cuz we're our our um offerings are so you know on the go our sandwiches are on the go is kind of cook ready to go we don't really have a a place where you can actually sit down at a table and you know kind of wind down
and relax would that be something that you would like to see to get more non- golfers I mean I guess you have to youd have to inquire somewhat with the the vision of the Selectmen and what they foresee this being I mean are they looking to make this a full-time restaurant or are they looking to
basically serve the population that you and loyal customers that you have but in a better better way I mean as we see now Steve will tell you uh as groups come off you might have at some some points uh as as many as 30 to 40 people under
the tent hanging out if they had a small group or you might just see eight but there'll be a constant rotation of flow you come off 18 drop off your cop you sit down grab a hamburger couple beers that might roll into a couple more beers something more to eat and then leave or
you know collectively as a group you might stay there for 2 hours and play cards and laugh and J if you if you have that if you have that opportunity currently right now there's that opportunity isn't there for most some of my biggest questions are Hey where's the clest place I get
something to eat my other question too is that if you do expand your offerings to non- Golfers you give it a community benefit that maybe someone a town meting and say I'm not a golfer but gez I think I'd like to go there R Friday night and you know
grab a bear of sunset or something I have heard that from residents that you know they'd like to row their family up with golf bring the kids down put around maybe hit a practice green or a chipping area grab a hamburger you know and then take off I don't think it necessarily be
advertised as you we a restaurant but you know if a family of four comes down at 6:30 like Danny just said and someone wants to go Hut around we're not going to turn her or you know four people that want to have well you you can plan to grow into something like that because
once you once you establish and the word gets around I think you probably grow into finding a need maybe to provide for more people that don't play golf additionally I think if you if you handle what your current clients are
most interested in the people who are coming there 3 or 4 days a week and basically carrying you as your base base client tell start start with that what they're interested in and then you move you know with keeping in mind that you
want to have the opportunity to grow to to facilitate additional people right and you can grow and you can grow the golf business into a golf and Hospital Hospitality business um where the the golf course
would manage new employees bartenders weight staff um kitchen staff or some of the other golf courses we've worked at private uh in the public realm um some
are sort of staff and some have contracts where the town Awards you know puts out a a contract for a food vendor to have you know the uh the rights to operate the food service for a period of 3 to 5 years and then it comes up for
bid again we see that a lot on the cape at the beach concessions what do you think about that what that the the the comparison between St Staffing and cting what would you think F first off you know if if if you we're looking
into having the town run a so-called kitchen or a restaurant we already have issues with people hiring people first off that's the biggest issue everybody has that problem I've been in the Food Service ever for 50
years and U but people come and go my suggestion would be to get people like a service or multiple services in there or something that that we don't have somebody else pays
attention to um that we don't have to do a hire we don't have to worry about the food we don't have to worry about the menu because it starts getting into a lot of money not only that and like this gentleman said here you know what do you
want to do well we're at golf course first right that's our main objective here we are a golf course we service the golf industry someone wants to come out and have a beer or have a sandwich or something okay we can do that how big do
you want this thing you don't need a facility to hold 200 people in my opinion it's just we just don't need that it's way way too much for our area way too much uh we do have a lot of tournaments I mean when I first got on
this committee 20 years ago um we we struggled getting tournaments now we have so many of them we can't accept anymore so the only way we'll be able to accept the tournament if one drops out
how many is uh annual tournaments I'd have to go back and pull a number for I think like what did I say it was like probably 14% we have I'd say you're probably in the neighborhood of of between 15 and 20
these are these are larger sizes it's not count it's not including the guy who comes with 25 people who play on one day in the morning we have five or six that are basically our bread and butter that've been coming for years and years and years and um actually probably six I
think we haven't dropped anybody um I mean we have we have people like the team no we have the uh ACC cushioned police we have the uh inventure firefighters we have um U for the schools we have a couple School tournaments each year we're just
we're just kids where you know you know whether it be um whether it be the vog schools or whether it be a uh division one tournament or but we do uh have the MIAA tournament we do have the
vocational tournament there we've had uh some College events there which is probably a way that maybe another way that we need to look deeper into uh we got about three or four us kids Junior events as well the 8 to 17 years old
those are very popular a JGA still come or no they haven't come in quite a few years that's something that you know you know if you have you know some of these uh Nega or MGA or agga or whatever you know they I'm sure when they are looking
for sites they're looking at your facilities golf obviously right uh so is that you know we're going to serve the golf industry like John said is that something where now now now Christian's really on the map as a top level course because now you have a facility in more
tournaments not just Recreation tournaments but big tournaments want to be a part of the pushing I think that's important but uh if there's 15 or 20 events that uh outings a year that you have full full 144 events how many of
those [Music] afterwards not many but we've we no probably less than that but we've we've picked up over these last couple years um most of them don't you know they some of them eat during I mean
yes the grab and go thing became real popular you get a meal ticket and you pick up something off the grill um but then we we started doing uh some catering and that kind of picked up over the last 2 and half years that was pretty people sitting out in in the out and you know in in the middle of June
and July when it's 95° and it's humid they don't want to come under and sit under a tent and roast under a tent you want to have a bathroom facility you want to be able to take a quick shower for a few people um but you want to have an air conditioned you can go not going to not going to stay would it be one of
these cases that be bu that they will come yes that's how I feel it% I think you're and like to Adam's point I think it's very important for the future of the golf course to attract Mass golf events and and um and other um like this past
year we had it was really interesting event it were there were College Club teams yeah that was and they weren't official you know NCAA division one players whatever but they were Club teams and it was it was quite the you know quite a few people and with the
kidle I mean parents love to come watch the kids especially little kids and I think it would help to develop our future programs if we had some of these extra amenities to make it more people comfortable um for some of these for
some of these I think the good news is you have the golf course here right you have almost 7,000 yard tipped out golf course that can you know service most golfers right and if I mean i' even before I mean I had my class reunion
there once when I was work still work on there Under the Tent I mean people that don't play golf when that sunet you know on the puing me and they were like holy holy moly like this is a pretty special place so if we can do something special here from you know it's been 20 whatever
years with the devil white trailer and we've done pretty darn good 27 I mean from the beginning I think we have a really good opportunity to do something really special absolutely you know quick story I guess four or five years now we finished uh my comment on theck which is
a public course and um so building was um 7,000 ft with a full basement and with the notion that Mechanicals went down in the basement there's enough room down there to build out some future locker rooms but they still haven't
built them and they may never um the dining room was um they wanted to be they were brought to do 150 seats um but septic they wanted to stay with the existing septic system but allowed 84 seats so the
dining room is posted at 84 seats there's a porch that sits another 50 people um most people choose to sit outside um they are constantly uh I went there for lunch with my wife and I'll
cup one day just cuz you want to see it and it was a great lunch and I would say out of the 30 people on the porch having lunch eight were golfers um everybody else just came because the lunch is good um did I just
understand that correct he just invited us out to all the lunch it's a cover por cover and um but it's um it was built for you know a certain
size they have events there all the time that are not cated because I mean Tucket there's just not many affordable places for the community to go to have events um so it's constantly being used for um
alumni Gatherings um bment celebration those kind of things um so it's it's a venue that the whole Community uses uh quite a bit more than they thought would happen yeah I think people will if they have that
opportunity there's not a ton going on besides that you all the people in the building are employees of a golf management company they're not in power points um so it's run a little differently
um I think the dentist public golf courses there are contracts vendors in place that run those kitchens right um and and um they I think they do quite well especially when in summer there's so many round the golf plays there
um I think at Brewster they manage their own the staff there runs that facility um and I've been to functions there in the winter DEA winter for fundraiser dinners at where di GRS um
so you can you can make it what you want it to be and um if you have the space then you can you can start with a vendor and if that's just you know not keeping Pace then you could look
at um uh you know building up a staff that runs the golf course but that's a another level of expertise it's not in my real house um so we we've kind of worked with different kinds of groups and
different kinds of management um but we certainly can help design a kitchen um see does that change the planning process whether it's done in house no no you know the kitchen is going to be kind of scaled with the dining room
the dining room's 80 seats the kitchen can be X if it's 200 seats it's 2X and you know probably a walk-in cool and other things that to to have the ability to take deliveries and bulk um
of you know frozen foods and other things um now that could be in the basement level next to the carts doesn't have to be up on the main level um but um 10 different ways to do it right um
and um in this early phase I think what we really want to do is concentrate on sort of right sizing the building um and making it um meet all your needs um or dreams and if after the
conceptual phase public kind of reacts and says oh that's really too big or that's too much money then that's one of the first things we do is is pull back on occupancy and pull back on the size um but uh I think you know there's there's
parts of the building um like the Pro Shop in the bathrooms um that'll be based on the non golfers you have U and the food service will sort of extend the hours and extend the season of the building
um somebody uh I mentioned locker rooms but somebody else mentioned showers you know that's something that all public golf courses out locker rooms and showers I think I um like I said they wanted to build them right away and man
Tucket they didn't have the budget for it they said let's build a space for future um there's need Plumbing under the slab to to be able to do that um I don't think it's likely in the next many years that they'll ever do it um they've
got an amazing amount of storage with that um one of the other things that's on my list uh was um you know how big is the Pro Shop um is what you have adequate um are there Services the or um that want to be
included in the building like indoor golf or Golf Club storage or golf cart St you know the handhelds or the power golf carts that on the store on the property sometimes the golf lockers um
either for clothing or golf clubs are a different Revenue stream um so we can kind of build those amenities into the plan and those are the kinds of things that if this project sort of gets too big and too expensive those are the things that kind of go
away um but sort of building the wish list um helps us get a hold of the the size of the building really fast um and you know if you said hey we have 50 golfers that leave their clubs
uh you know would would rent a locker to to lock up their clubs on the property so that they didn't have to put them in and out of their car um we can design room for that but if you thought well there's probably you know 100 doers that would leave their walk behind
uh golf cart um or uh there clubs there we upssize that room that could be in the lower level and your Summer Staff that is pulling carts out could find somebody's clubs and pre-load them on a cart and put them right next to the um
the patio coming out of the pro [Music] shop so those are good questions Dana I think we could ask you is is there an appetite for indoor golf is there an appetite for uh push cart storage and bag storage those are the things that
are going to help us cuz I think what we need now before we wait too long is we need some sort of energy to start this thing going we see we're mostly a Transit golfer uh place I wouldn't see you know fullon shower facility um lockers anything like
that um we do have push carts ourselves so as far as having storage for our push carts um we could increase the amount of push carts that we have and have them but as far as building uh uh storage capacity for someone else's um clubs and
and push carts I wouldn't foresee that being I don't think that's something initial maybe like you said maybe down the road but initially I don't think you need something I me we're we're bear bones um totally right what we need to
do is turn over all these Stones right I think having these conversations is what our job is right to understand whether or not we need storage for for transient golfers we probably don't most public courses don't have that unless they sell a membership I'm sry basically and we don't sell memberships so basically I
ities for comfort upon playing golf at the course I mean that's I think what we're we're shooting for um I like the the outdoor seaing area tying into the the the cafeteria or whatever eating area that we have whatever size we
decide to do um I think you can chew up some of that um square footage with an outdoor uh facility um seeing area I don't know if anybody has been to southers msh if you guys have visited that I frequent did that place several
times one time with John Amber um just to walk through the place with the owner and that that looked like a pretty decent format open space Corner bars a little um what do they call the walls to
the Pro Shop don't go to the ceiling it's just kind of a boxed in store um Pro Shop so conceptually we could play off that and and tweak it but um and then again one side of the building is all sliding glass doors that goes out to
an outdoor deck that also closes off to the outside so if it's raining or hail or or really warm and they can crank up the AC keep that air condition but still use all that seating capacity uh for whatever function is taking place their carts go to their carts do go to leave
they're small course us so they don't have a full Fleet of carts so the building is is a tad bit smaller and I don't know if John recalls us but he did say that you know was one of the things that he remember we went downstairs and he had stuff stacked up 10 ft high should had a little more storage space
down here in the basement in the basement so I mean those are Hearts whatever they had to 8% of you can take their version of it sure twe it increase the base don't change the top or do
whatever you want with it right to make it fit the size capacity that the town is envisioning that they want um a set of plans and we'll duplicate that building do you think it's any value I don't know if you've [Music]
doneand putting out a short you know a short onepage survey or something they could even do online for instance to say okay this is you know um what would you envision as servicing your needs as a
as a golfer at a chrisan valley we talked meeting we we like they have contact for golfers the email addresses and send out a Google or a Survey Monkey asking those exact questions gol now
and database and what are they say I can post town website want let me put it this way with fresh but if you're trying to sell something in town you're going to want you just you get input doesn't
necessarily mean you have to follow it verbatim but it helps you shape a decision I would only send it to voters so that we know what the V send it to people not just all kind of% of go that play off are
residents not not not a lot your audience is your golfer right not just the town right your audience is your golf so we got to get in touch with hey you play here all the time what could we do better I think that's a we're going to need your feedback to help shape this whole that's why we have
the biggest push back in general is because like they just said 90% of this town doesn't go but so that's why we have most of the push back at Town meetings and stuff like that but we do have a s for the time agre yeah not interrupt but I got to excuse
myself do I need to motion good to go thanks guys cpck things I think we get some answers to give to you and we're going to probably work with with both committees and Dana and and the folks at the golf course whoever you
guys decide that might be on on giving you some feedback so we're probably going to have to have some frequent meetings to get this going I don't think we need to meet five days a week but once a week maybe for a couple weeks to get some short get some yeah moving we need some traction right this is our first meeting we're still until a couple
days ago we didn't know who was going to be running these meetings so we just figured that stuff out why don't why don't I write this as a questionnaire that the 12 or 14 of you kind of fill out before you meet next time and you all come kind
of with what's important to you right and then you you might have you know I want 80 seats I want 150 seats I want 200 seats and you come to average um but you can then talk about it
um and um I I learned a lot already um about what she sort of need don't need um or um the size of the you know the kitchen is really based on the
occupancy in the dining room um you know one of the things that some people like a a a bar and a lounge area that's separate so that if you do have a function going on and you have 144 golfers come off the golf
course at 4:30 or 5 and summertime you have a couple locals that go out and play nine and finish around with privacy so they have something to come back to otherwi us might be closed for a private event um that's a luxury kind of to have
if you have two spaces um but if you think hey the bar is going to be in the room full of people um then you know that's fine doesn't have to be a separate space it's just a you know how would you want the clubhouse to work
um and does the bar is it walk up service only and you go sit down in the dining room or is it a bar where you can actually have bar stools and people could watch TV at the bar and have a sandwich when the clubhouse is not occupied 140 people back maybe it
doesn't yeah you could have a scalet prooved version of right the you know right operation the dining room could have a folding partition that divides it in half so it doesn't feel vast when it's getting relatively low you know low
occupancy um and then that opens up and like you said there's a wraparound porch that had a canopy or a permanent roof um and that could have a different kinds of enclosure um whether it's
screen or vinyl um it could have heat up there ultimately the extend the season um so all those things are sort of good to know and some of them are things that can be added 10 years from um
um we learned a little bit so the um carts M full Fleet of 72 carts for golfers how many other carts is there a beer cart a beverage cart and um 74
carts there is a uh a utility vehicle there's a range picker which is a a carart and um one one other well guess one other utility vehicle that could you know it
could be available I think there's probably a need for maybe one more for two utility vehicles because the outings um we have certain outings that need to do setup and you know of of course they want to do setup at the same time that I've got all my guys is using all my
carts so I don't have any anything to give them but um I would say 74 cards a ball picker and two utility vehicles and a beverage [Music] cart yeah like I said similar between 5,000 5200 ft you get 80 carts in with a
little walking aisle in between them so that you can charge them all um so there should be plenty of room in that sort of square footage um do the cards come back in and usually get rinsed off if we have a facility to do so we could we would love
to do that yeah um right now we have dirt parking lot a dirt storage area yeah so to rinse them and then drive through a puddle of Mud to put them away defeats the purpose of rinsing them every day
um right so you know in that lower garage we're called typically there's a little Bay that you drive through you would hold them down over a great you look for somebody that's left their sunglasses or their cell phone and empty the trash and
um that part we do it's just the the washing them down with the outdoor storage um it just defeats the purpose right and um question the first opportunity you could switch to Electric
would be halfway through TN we half a fleet that's um would tie out financially in 2027 um that would be 14 and
um 14 20 34 cops and then the rest of them would turn um in 2028 is when that that contract is completed if you're going to make a decision to go to Electric you're going to want to either hold on to those carts
or S them all at the same time yeah that's the other problem that you're running into with you're getting these multiple versions of carts right I'm from from the producer is that your your parts and your maintenance changes from version to C to version of cart so like
Dana said we got 14 of one age you got 20 of another and then you got 60 of another so you really you know it would behoove us to be able to change if we're going to go electric where for that matter in the future switch over the entire thing we've been doing a piece meal here piece meal there that would be
2028 yeah to do that definitively and then I was speaking with him potentially on one of these rollovers if we did have to hold off cuz we want to do a full Fleet he said maybe you just lease the cops for a year right and then that think committing to still
being a customer saying hey we want 72 new electric cars they work for us yeah I imagine so so that's not this for electric C storage underneath the building we're not budgeting anything with golf carts no that's that would be
outside yeah right okay and I'm working with the vendor to put forward a number of options to to navigate however this times out to do what we need to do and I'm sure he's more than willing to work with us in whatever direction we want
what is our electricity load if we go to electric carts do we have enough power down there right now uh no I would you think that we will have plenty of power all right
yeah I don't think we have to worry about that so then but not now no now you got you got the power now it's just to do electric CS well I'm not sure but I think you have primary voltage coming down and then they they transfer it down
so if they can keep it I don't I think it stops it stop but the the other thing being again you know something that doesn't seem like you would think about it right away you want to take the power that's coming from our facility and find some way to put it underground and take it up to the
pro shop because you don't want to have to deal with the poles and all the rest of that stuff looks like one of them's already on leaning towards the dumpster anyway well I mean you know we could you know DPW can dig dig the trench because the
power company won't dig the trench so far off the road so it's just you know again it's one of those little things that you don't think of until you know you get so far into the pro um ever will do some work on the primary
to get it closer to the building um but if we could provide the um the trenches and um and then they put the the primary power to a padot to Transformer closer to the new facility and then of course
the the secondaries um uh into the building would be by the electrical contractor as part of the general Construction contract but um that'll be part of that sort of more detailed design in the next phase um of
you know past this conceptual study but um we we're certainly going to come out to the site in the next couple of weeks mhm take some more photos so we can build a little story board about what you have and and why it needs to be upgraded um and then we'll also make a
lot of notes about the the infrastructure that we can see or find um and we'll be conveying that information to our cost estimator as well because we whatever that power upgrade is not going to be free we need to make sure that's part of the project and to speak to that for a second in
this transition of going from gas to electric are we interested in going with um solar is solar an option to tie into this project would that be something that we would do afterwards is that fting off too [Music]
much possibility it's definitely a possibility so that that's a separate entity though I mean we can we getting figures on that from someone would be fairly easy so have you done a building with with
solo yeah orated um we've done solar on a couple of uh maintenance facilities and um else I com roofs are cut up diding cbles
did you do work on cranberry Valley did you work we did a concept study for their cart Barn years ago and they didn't quite build it in the same place thing but once upon a time uh same thing we're going to have to bring three-phase power a couple thousand feet through the
apartment lot they ended up moving the cart Barn closer to their maintenance facility um but that kind of you know roof is perfect um even if we can Orient the roof um or a majority of
[Music] itely clar as an angle to the sun I'm sure yeah actually you know we'll cut it down and save you can if your your this is an exploratory
committee issues how it would benefit you in in the future right is it going to be is it going to add significant cost up front or is it not going to add significant cost but pay dividends by putting it in now as opposed to because
you know having you know not so much experience in um in these types of buildings but trying to get you know equipment and other things is like pulling teeth so so you got a great shot right now to get the majority of what
you want so get all those things you need because you don't want to come back to them three years down the road because that that isn't going to happen yeah and one of the things I was going to say golf carts typically charge a night when solar is not
working um but if solar paid for all your daytime power use in the building um and then your only electric was your nighttime electric for chargeing the car that that would be great um the maintenance building has a low loope roof potentially could have solar you
any solar you put on the property can be used anywhere on the property you could also have a third party come in and build solar over your parking lot and you can those power purchase agreements
um towns are doing it um so you know the question is is it just you put it up just enough to kind of energize the the property um or do you um you have a pretty big b you can
probably bank that right I would thinkig for River just did a couple years ago that's a and and sometimes it's a lease where you don't get the power um but you get the lease dollars to pay for your um and um at East H on
their Maintenance building we put in enough um uh solar there um they didn't want to pay for it out of pocket they leased the roof to the Solar Company but they got um they got 50% of the power I'm not
sure it's all accounting it's but um the at that time the SX were going to pay the develop the power developer a pretty healthy sum over 10 years um
which that might be something to include because one of your current selecting is in that line of work that he might be able to help you a lot okay yeah recomendation wise just put it that way yeah and although um we're not
taking a deep dive on sort of Plumbing electrical mechanical in this conceptual phase um our mechanical engineer um loves golf um and so we're working with him on um um putting electric carts and Dennis
um so we know we're going to know very shortly a little bit about how much eversource charges to bring power a certain number of feet uh so we're going we're about to learn some examples that are going to be really valuable here um and then he'll also be able to kind of
tell me right bringing the power from the maintenance facility down to new Clubhouse 400 yard yeah um might cost X right so we'll be able to make sure that that's included in our cost estimate this early going right yeah if we have a number
then we can it doesn't fit well you're talking about utilities I assume this broken is going to need a Sprinkle system yes does the cor have a water supply that'll support a Sprinkle system Hydra right in the bottom read those hydrants down them is it ter
well I mean you could I don't know how they work these systems but you could cut in to the irrigation system because I mean the in internal sprinkler system isn't going to be running all the time no your dry system you know and and if you if you hook that into the existing
irrigation system it would indicate to The Pump Station the same as the sprinkler head would that there's a draw a pressure drop so you'd have to increase the flow it just depends on how you have to do it because the pump
station puts out 120 PSI I don't know if you're going to want that running through yeah you have to back it off or we have a hydren right out in front right I don't know if you so you know that's if that's a dead end at the end
your driveway ultimately we'll do a flow test there end up by the got a hydr outside my building and then it goes underne and up to the one I'm guessing there's going to be piure there
but roughly 50 [Music] lb what's that roughly 50 lb 44 to [Music] 50 I think what you said earlier C about maybe just taking this in the form of a questionnaire that we all kind of
our own thoughts down on and I'll leave a lot of work space so people can sort of sort of annotate it with their sort of personal thoughts and and and then maybe um I'm happy to come back and listen or moderate or just sit in the
corner and sort of take it all in um and um and um that will really help you guys figure out what it should be um and then we'll take that bu a consensus of what we heard and
um and then we're off and running and like I said we're going to start on the site Concepts um with Tim uh in just a couple weeks at my office and but just be the two of us locking down for four hours to come up
with the three or four best golf course plans we can think of we'll bring them along show them to you and then I think something will stick or you'll say I like an A and A little bit of D that got e and you I think we we very quickly
just be able to kind of pick a winner all right super helpful to just be in room with you and kind of start to hear about it and um I'm assuming that I don't need to attend on Monday night that the select them when they're going
to take us no no it's just a okay well thank you so much for being here tonight car it was a great start for this it's going to be a fun one appreciate it do we need to set a date for we'll just start your own group yeah I think we should set whenever you
guys want to me U we don't have any old business but let's set up a meeting is this time work for everybody on Thursday next week is that reasonable 5:30 I be for a week on Wednesday next Tuesday need form what's four is enough yes
which I can make it next Tuesday does Tuesday work for you folks yes okay so so it would just be us yeah think that's plan I mean it's an open meeting so we know who else can come everybody but I think the goal is for our committee to meet next Tuesday
at 5:30 is that reasonable you Kurt will you have a questionnaire for us by that by that date or prior to that so because Tuesdays around the corner as far as yeah that's um I can definitely get it to you Monday morning okay so we got a little homework to do if he gives it to
us Monday morning but I I think this will be our first real meeting where we can really collaborate M um going to beet here or the town hall um if you do to town hall selectman have a meeting at 4:00 um so you have to use the first four conference room but that wouldn't
facilitate everyone so if you want to do a joint meeting probably here it wouldn't be joint just the facilities to you can do the first floor conference room or anything like that so if you want to do 5:30 on Tuesday we can do that so have Tom h and you'll send an
email yes so 5:30 next Tuesday Town Hall okay let me actually let me double check to make sure I'm not lying to everyone see today next week we can sorry the D the
calendar we can do that okay 5:30 Tuesday to home 25th yeah5 anything else I just wanted to show you something that I fun but that's between us our our
committee here I'll pass it up to you guys just take a look at that and again just a general idea if you open it up it's even got a floor plan on it if you look at it this
way and again just a general idea and something that you know Dana might want to take a look at too because it's it gives you the inside outside option uh they planted show you know tell me he had been there and it's got five or six
garage doors that open up inside so you I'll be there m how you [Music] [Music]
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