WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=EUJFJ0e_mVY NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: EUJFJ0e_mVY): - 00:00:16: Meeting Called to Order: Correspondence and Appointments - 00:01:13: Regina Selinger and Joe Spanola: Septic System Issues - 00:08:57: Discussion and Questions Regarding the Septic Problems - 00:15:12: Exploring Composting Toilet and Gray Water System - 00:23:06: Engaging Engineer Dave Flarity for System Design - 00:29:54: Moving Forward, Timeline Discussion, Issue Resolved - 00:30:16: Susan Alter: Clarifying Septic System Enforcement Order - 00:31:36: Plans, Title Five Review, and Delaying Fines - 00:40:18: Recess and Mobile Home Request Approval - 00:41:59: Community Nurses Contract Approval, Interview Discussion - 00:43:38: Shared Positions, Selectman Meeting, Adjournment Motion Part: 1 1 00:00:16.880 --> 00:00:32.800 Uh meeting come to order April 21st 2006. Present uh Dave Devnan, Thomas Foron, Wanda Hammer, and myself Maderas. Can I have a motion to Oh, wait a minute. We're video and videotaped. >> Audio taped. >> Audio taped. And 2 00:00:32.800 --> 00:00:48.640 >> motion to open the meeting. Second. >> All in favor? >> Meeting is now open. Okay. We're going to start with a correspondence letter from community nurses and home care statistics of March 20 March 26. Review of matters present. 3 00:00:48.640 --> 00:01:13.920 Vote may be taken. Make a motion to file. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Motion passes. >> I. >> Appointments 12 Carol Street owners Regina Selinger and Joe Spanola. 4 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:31.360 Enforcement issued March 18th, 2026. Review of matters presented. Voters may be taken. So I uh rented the house a couple of months prior before we end up buying it from uh 5 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:47.680 Wayne Sara sold past um you know to see what the house was all about and uh you know see if everything was you know up to speed and which it wasn't 6 00:01:47.680 --> 00:02:05.759 most things and I had to clean the whole place up. There was a he had the whole uh back of the access to the fire apparatus to get into the pond back blocked off with tra a big trailer and 7 00:02:05.759 --> 00:02:21.360 merchandise. So I, you know, in the interim I told him, okay, I I rented, we rented for a little while. I cleaned up all that and made the made it so it's passable, you know, to the pawn. If a 8 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:39.360 fire truck had to get in there and, you know, I worked hard over there to help the neighborhood. The road was like a roller coaster. I've been in the construction business all my life. That's why, you know, doing construction. And so we end up buying it and at the 9 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:56.000 and you know I checked the subject out. I didn't do dig a hole to see where the water table was. So I had it title five. The person that title five it said obviously never turned it into the town. 10 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:13.680 So as time went on, Joe came to me and said, "Hey, I never received anything. Did you guys purchase this house for title 5?" I said, "Okay, well, so I hire an engineer 11 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:30.319 uh common SH speak of." So we do a make arrangement, do a PR test. I do a prayer test and and I naturally I been doing septics all my life and I've 12 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:46.560 done here done a lot in the Christian myself. So I said well it's going to be a it's going to be a civil analysis. So at the end of the day I said okay well time went on the engineer 13 00:03:46.560 --> 00:04:03.519 disappeared off the face of the earth after taking $2,500 of my money. never heard back from them. So at the end of the day, I said, "Well, the system back when they put them back when they did septic system, when they 14 00:04:03.519 --> 00:04:19.759 did that house way in the 70s, you know, there was no uh effective depth or all that title five back then. So when I talked to the owner that owned it prior before the owner 15 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:35.520 that I purchased it from, he said, "Well, DW White put a thousandgalon tank in there and five low profofile chambers in the front of the house." So I said, "Well, obviously that's why it it does work this and stone the whole front of 16 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:50.160 the place." So he said, "Believe me, it's the best system in the area." I said, "Well, today's standards, it don't meet title five." and I tried to explain it to the guy so that you know from what I could see. So at the end of the day, 17 00:04:50.160 --> 00:05:07.680 it does work. Not title fivewise. It finds a water vein somewhere and goes in down the road into wood. They use so much stone in front of that house. And I since I've been there, I pump it once a year. And what I see, I'm saying to 18 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:23.199 myself, you know, as long as I've been doing septics, when you pump a tank, if it's I had no runback, uh the uh uh Mr. Assess pumped it, they pump it faithfully. I tell them, come once a year since we've been there and it shows 19 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:38.080 no run back. And I'm saying to me, I said, I do this all the time. Where is it going? So my estimation of it was that it runs down down the road somewhere into the woods cuz I had all the wells checked. There's no 20 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:56.320 contaminations in the well. My well shows it's only a little bit too much iron in. I took it to sandwich having them checked, you know, doing the well tech all the tests and it showed a little too much iron in it. So now I'm at the point that there's just, you 21 00:05:56.320 --> 00:06:13.120 know, like no room to put a a ray system in front of the house. There's not enough room. So I guess that's why the engineer he didn't know what he was could do there. And maybe that's why he walked away from it. I don't know. But at the end of the day, there's just not 22 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:29.840 enough room for a race system. So I lean towards now is them compost toilet systems to say that you know environmental safe D recognizes it. Bonso county is pushing the issue for 23 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:44.800 people that have small lots and high water table to use these system use these toilets and uh you know um it's environmental safe. That's the whole key here is to make the 24 00:06:44.800 --> 00:07:01.199 environmental safe. What I noticed like you know living there in the pond when I first moved there there were 32 swans in the pond. They were up behind there and many many geese now and for the last two 25 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:17.680 years. Well, since I made the right away for them guys to to cut the lily pads, the boat they have the town has now to cut the lily pads. The geese and the swans have left. There's only three swans and probably six geese left in that for the last two 26 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:33.360 years since they've been cutting the lily pads over there with the boats and which is good. They cut down all the contamination, you know. So, at the end of the day, I I can't, you know, I do septics all I've been 27 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:49.039 doing them all my life. I've done them here way back with the uh with a couple engineers here in town that we did them way back in the 70s and the 80s, you know what I mean? Now I'm 28 00:07:49.039 --> 00:08:06.400 almost 80 years old myself, so I got to take a lo and I and I have two bad knees. I had this one replaced and this one here is on its way out. So my thing now is that I can't 29 00:08:06.400 --> 00:08:20.400 put a ray system there because I wouldn't be able to get my shed. I won't be able to go to my generator or any of that because sooner or later my doctor says that I'm going to either be in a 30 00:08:20.400 --> 00:08:37.919 walker or two canes or something because the surgery they have to do to repair this knee will take me down for quite a while. So, I've been putting it off as long as I can. So, at the end of the day, I would appreciate if you guys 31 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:57.279 would really consider letting me venture into putting a a compost toilet in. I would really appreciate that. It would help me physically, mentally, and financially. >> You want me to go first? 32 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:14.480 >> You're the expert on it. >> So, you purchased the property July 1 of 2022. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you say you've installed septics your whole life. >> So you knew when you purchased the property you >> It was supposed to be title five. I did that. But the guy that did the title 33 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:32.399 five lied to me and said I turned it in. He never turned it in. >> Are you saying that it passed title five? >> Are you saying that it passed title five inspection? >> He said it did. Well, honestly it did. You know without I wasn't He did it. I 34 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:49.200 wasn't really there there. But when I came, I opened the covers, you know, put the regular covers on it, opened it up. There's no uh runback in it, and there's no uh >> But that doesn't mean it fails, didn't you? >> Well, but I I know that, but it doesn't have any show of >> Did somebody health witness it? 35 00:09:49.200 --> 00:10:05.360 >> Was Border Health there? >> I don't know. No, he I I thought he did it. I wasn't there. >> He didn't do He didn't do He didn't do it properly, obviously. No, because you have to have an inspector from the >> record of that, too. >> A lot. Some towns don't. Some towns do, sometimes don't. >> Oh, we require 36 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:20.240 >> We do. We require it. >> We require that. >> Yeah. That That's what I'm saying. He said, "Oh, I took care of it." So, I I I thought it was taken care of. So, I I had no idea. And I didn't know if Joe showed up or not cuz I, you know, I I 37 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:35.920 had no idea then until I heard back because a neighbor complained >> about it about how come it wasn't And so let me ask you a question. If if you think that the title five passed because somebody told you that. >> Well, there's no overcharge. There was 38 00:10:35.920 --> 00:10:52.800 no overcharge in when I looked at it. >> So let's just just stick to the the questions. If somebody told you that it passed Title 5 and you couldn't find the guy to submit the report, why did you schedule a perk test? 39 00:10:52.800 --> 00:11:09.680 Because listen what happened is that Iran what happened to why is this is that he told me okay you all set boom title five okay there's no I looked at it there was no overcharge in it okay I figured it was over okay I knew the 40 00:11:09.680 --> 00:11:26.160 water table was high a little high but I didn't I said well when they told me they when they put the chambers I said well the system must be still working because I don't it I've never had no backup I've never had any issues with it. >> But the So why did you schedule a purchase? >> Why did you say that? 41 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:44.160 >> Because a neighbor complained on me and said, "These guys just bought that house. How come it's not title five?" And I don't know how they knew that or whatever how that came about. Then Joe came to me, >> the the agent here, and said they I 42 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:59.760 never got a notice about the Title Five. I said, "What?" I said, "Well, the tunnel guy said he sent it in or he notified you and everything." I said, "I had I had no knowledge of this." Okay. >> So, was Joe there for the title? Was Joe >> No, he wasn't. He did obviously not 43 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:16.480 >> for the per done with the per test. Yes, >> he was. >> Joe was there with >> So, do you have do you have results for >> Nope. Nothing was submitted? >> No, that's what I'm saying. I got screwed twice. The guy that the engineer never, you know, I tried to do the engineer that did the pro test. a common 44 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:33.360 shape. >> I don't know. >> He's from He's from Valent. >> You know him, Dave? >> No, I don't know. >> He's done stuff with us, >> has he? >> But he never submitted anything. >> No, never. He said, "Hold on." So, so you had a you you did a title five and 45 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:48.800 nobody submitted that and they didn't have an inspector from the town to witness it. So, that didn't happen. Then you did a perk test and that was never submitted, but it was witnessed by Joe. Yeah. Yeah. But we have no record of it. 46 00:12:48.800 --> 00:13:06.399 >> I have no paperwork. No, I just have the date it was done. January 20th of 23. >> Who did the title five inspection? >> Uh Patrick Tropiano, you know, >> the title five inspector. >> Yeah. >> You know, so I I I I was left with two 47 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:21.920 people that lied to me. >> Have you got a statement of showing that you paid this guy off? call this engineer and get us a reward from the >> the engineer that did your perk for you. Do you have a statement from him saying that you paid him off >> to do this per test? >> I I I 48 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:37.920 >> a check a blank check or something like that. >> Well, >> but 2500 bucks. You're not going to dish out 2500 bucks. >> I know that. I chased him. I know where he lives. So, I went to his house. Okay. >> But did he give you a receipt that you paid him? >> See, he said I gave him the cash. He said, "I'll take care of this." What the 49 00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:52.880 only good thing? >> Okay. Now, he gave him a check. Now, you have the check. I gave him I gave him cash I gave him cash money that that's why I got schooled. The only good thing about it he let he said okay I'll he sampled all the wells and he said you can take them down to sandwich which I 50 00:13:52.880 --> 00:14:09.440 did and you pay for them there and you you'll get all and I do have them results. I got to find the paperwork of all the wells how my well has a little too much iron in it and >> iron is nothing. But so so you got to back up because you went ahead and did a 51 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:25.839 perk test for nothing because you know if you had got the report of the title five and that was submitted and it passed you would have to do anything. >> It wouldn't pass. >> It wouldn't pass. No, >> not today. Because when we dug the hole 52 00:14:25.839 --> 00:14:41.040 you said that >> when we dug the hole for for the when I did the perk test then I realized where the water table was. So it would have to be a civil analysis at that house. >> So the perk test proves that the 53 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:56.160 existing septic system is in the water table >> especially right right now. Yeah, I'd say that most of them are all are >> they all are in the water. >> Has no results on the purpose. >> It's based on the soil modeling, not a flooded yard because of 54 00:14:56.160 --> 00:15:12.079 >> a rainy week or whatever. I I >> the soil modeling when they dug the test hole. >> Yeah. >> They're looking for colorations in the soil. Yeah, I know. Yeah, right. >> So, I mean, we can simply call Joe. He's going to remember. >> Yeah, he does. He said it had to be be a 55 00:15:12.079 --> 00:15:27.440 civil analysis, >> right? Which is understandable. >> And I took that up the to place the middle ball >> trying to get to the point of whether you have a failed system or not. >> That's what we're trying to figure. It's failed because it's it's in the 56 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:43.440 water table. I'll put it. That's what I as it's not title five accepted. >> You don't know it. and and and every single house on that street would be that way. Every house on that street would >> So, you know, you have to upgrade the septic system. >> Well, what I'm saying to you, this is 57 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:59.120 what I want to do. It's D approved. You want to have you got waste water, you have >> wash water, you have shower water, all that stuff goes into your system. So, either way, whether you get a compost toilet or not, you still got to have a septic system. >> Well, that's what I'm saying to you. I 58 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:14.240 have a thousand gallon tank that I could clean out. Okay. >> Power wash it clean. >> We can't redo this title five. We can't we I mean we can't redo it. >> So this is >> if I may. All right. So compost toilet 59 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:29.920 is a is an approved uh it's approved by the D. However, >> you got to have wait for the waste water. I mean for the gray water. >> It cannot it cannot have any exiting uh water from the toilet itself. There there are different types. 60 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:44.639 >> Right. This one, this the one I'm looking at is all self-contained. >> Self-contained that you have to have somebody come and pump it out when it's needed. >> No, the ash. It turns it into ash. You pull the tray out in the bottom. That has to be ash. >> Okay. >> Somebody's got to inspect and maintain 61 00:16:44.639 --> 00:17:00.320 and make sure it's working properly. But >> regardless, the board of health would have to come down once it's installed to look at it and make sure it's vented properly and and all that, how it's hooked up. I have to get a plumber, okay, to hook up the the propane to it. 62 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:16.240 Uh, I mean, I show you I got a picture of one that's in >> I understand, but the the the toilet is approved. The compost toilet is approved by D, but you still have to put in a gray water system. >> Well, the gray water system would be I could use the existing system. >> No, you cannot. No, 63 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:31.440 >> not if it's >> It requires Title 5 is very specific. They allow it, but you got to have a graywater system and the criteria you get a lot of breaks. Okay, you do get a lot of breaks. You can go two feet to water table, but you got to have a leeching field. The leeching field can 64 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:48.320 be 50% of a common system. So, if you have a two-bedroom house can be for a one-bedroom house for a size, but it's going to be based on that civ analysis unless you can get a perk to go. And what's the other one? >> For gray water. >> For gray water, yes. And that,00 tank is 65 00:17:48.320 --> 00:18:04.480 acceptable. So, if your septic tank is found to be structurally sound, you can keep it and use it for the graywater system, but you're probably going to have a pump system to go with it. >> A pump system to pump it up. >> Well, it depends on where your groundwater is, which we don't know cuz 66 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:20.160 we have no evidence. >> Be a race system. >> So, so you're going to have to engage an engineer to put together a plan that does all of what I just said. If you want a comp, you can't just put a compost toilet in your house and say, "I'm going to use the old system that's been there since 1952." It doesn't work 67 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:36.320 that way. Title 5 is very explicit. You can read it. Look it up. 310 CMR 15.00. I did to make sure my facts are right before I came here. So, you you're still, >> you know, I mean, 68 00:18:36.320 --> 00:18:52.960 >> I mean, we basically sent you a letter on March 18th. the clock is ticking and you had 60 days to submit a plan to our board. Okay. So, it's up to you what you want to do. You can either you either got to provide us with a passing title 5 inspection which is witnessed by 69 00:18:52.960 --> 00:19:09.039 a board of health agent, somebody from our department, which I think you know won't pass or >> or you need to the whole street won't pass if that's the case. But people don't you know what I'm trying to do is find a solution to the problem. We're 70 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:24.080 not trying to >> but I did the title for you already. >> I think you're on the right track. I think a compost tool that would work in that neighborhood, but you can't just put in that and call it a day. >> No, I know that what I'm saying to you, I will have to follow all the criteria 71 00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:40.000 to that. I know that. And what I what I'm trying to do is find out that you know like Bonsible County is and we don't >> pushing it on to people. I I know you're not Bonsible County. You're not pushing this at all. >> Right. Huh. It has nothing to do with what we're 72 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:56.160 >> well we're trying to help the thing the thing is >> forward is what we're trying to do >> and pro protect the environment that's the whole goal of all of this right is to protect the environment and so that's what I'm trying to say I my solution to it because I have injury that I know I 73 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:11.120 can't >> hold on saying the title five didn't pass >> how we didn't witness it nobody gave you anybody did a title five but they never submitted anything They never called this board to have somebody inspect it. 74 00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:26.160 >> Do a title test. >> Well, Joe told me this when he did the when we did the perk test. He said, "I don't think this will pass title five." Not because it's not working incident because Joe was there. The model if the model wasn't dead explaining witness to 75 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:42.640 perk test, not the title five, >> right? >> Well, he's telling me why he would pass. If the models at the models are at 18 in >> what he did in the >> he knows he already knows he has flow diffusers which are 18 in thick a foot below the grade there's no way it could be above the water table. >> Well when they put it in back of course 76 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:57.760 it's not >> 25 30 years ago it wasn't in the water table today. Yeah it's in the water table. Of course the water has risen two feet especially this year because of all the snow and the rain we have. Of course the water table's up there. There's no doubt in my mind. You know what I mean? 77 00:20:57.760 --> 00:21:13.520 Not even digging a hole like I got. You know, I look at the river, I can see how that river, I've never seen it that high. >> You know what I mean? So, it it has risen in the water taken. And that's why I'm saying there's a I got to find an answer to this. And 78 00:21:13.520 --> 00:21:29.200 >> I figured the compost toilet would be one of the answers. >> Well, he's giving you a thing. He says you could go to the compost toilet, but you're going to have to upgrade your septic system. >> Okay. So you bring water in >> and then you're going to have to take all your plumbing down. Just your toilet 79 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:45.440 itself goes into this this alternative uh system. >> Oh no. I take the toilet right off the existing toilet. And where you going to put it outside? >> Get rid of the toilet. >> What are you going to use for toilet? >> Put the compost toilet right where the toilet was. 80 00:21:45.440 --> 00:22:02.400 >> Okay. It go. You see that picture? You put it there and somebody >> hire somebody to clean it out. >> Okay. and you heat it. And now the new >> I don't know too much about this compost thing. So the new ones you put a cloth in it and it disintegrates everything 81 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:19.440 and there's no smell cuz you work. He says no problem with the with this composing system. But now with your gray water. >> Okay. I'll I'll have to I'll have call an engineer. He just explained to you that so with the gray water to get started 82 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:33.360 >> is >> he explained with the with the gray waters you're going to have to go with another system because your ground waters are so high that you can't put the gray system into the ground water >> but but like he was explaining it's going to be a lot less because you're probably going to be able to use the 83 00:22:33.360 --> 00:22:49.520 tank that'll be good you know the two the two foot rather than the 4 foot >> if you're going with a gra I actually I just your next step to hire an engineer and just let us know that we have an engineer on. You have to you got to do this 84 00:22:49.520 --> 00:23:06.960 >> because we don't want to go. >> I do I do work with an engineer, someone you guys all know. I work with him all the time. He and and work with him constantly, you know, and and I'll tell him now that he's not associated with a Kushnet, he can do he a year ago, he 85 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:23.200 couldn't do anything for me because he was on on the board here. So now he's not on the board. He has nothing to do with a question. He will help me design a plan that I need. >> Who's that? >> I don't know. We've all been >> Who are you talking about? >> We've all been on board for 86 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:40.000 >> David. This is >> on this board. David Flity. >> Oh, >> he's never on this board. That's Haven. >> He he would help Joe on occasion. I'll put it that way. >> That's for Haven. >> Yeah, right. I know. But he he would help Joe on occasions and now he does it. Now Joe there's no affiliation between him and 87 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:56.480 here. So he he would design a plan. I'll show you. I got three plans of his in my truck. >> He might be a >> I you know I work with him all the time. >> He might be a resident. >> So I would have him we'll get on it and figure out cuz he's 88 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:13.279 working with Bob because Bob is really taking his own board. It's a thing of the future. >> These are going to be the thing of the future. I mean I do something I and I mean every occasion doesn't warrant it. Trust me, I know this, you know, and like the lady down the street for me, 89 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:29.039 she told me look at her sic the other day. She said, "Look, it's on the ground here." I said, "Well, I see that." And the minute it rains, I got something all over my all over the ground. So, I said, "Look, it you have room here. You can put a a presby system here and it won't 90 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:45.039 be as high. You won't see it." >> I wouldn't recommend a presby system either. >> No, >> no. They're two feet deep. Two feet on the water tape. >> But they're two feet deep. >> Two feet deep. >> Yeah. The presby system has six inches of sand. 91 00:24:45.039 --> 00:25:00.799 >> Yeah. You got to use I show you a plan. I just did it. >> I just did it last week. >> Trying to give you advice. You go ahead. >> I understand it. But I'm telling you what the engineer designed. Okay. >> And it wasn't two feet. >> That's what he does for a living. Okay. He's an engineer. >> You're an engineer. That's fine. But 92 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:16.480 what I'm saying this is what they design. >> It's Maybe they didn't do it right. So you know your next step. In other words, you know that you need to get a system design. So you need to get a hold of Dave Flare and >> system. Get hold of Dave Flareity and do 93 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:33.679 this like ASAP because we don't want to have to find you because you're not doing anything about this. You know what I'm saying? >> I wanted to do something about I've been trying to do something about it. >> They get a hold of Dave and tell him get on a stick. Let's go. >> Yeah. >> At least we know that you're doing something about it. Actually, actually 94 00:25:33.679 --> 00:25:51.039 we got a beating in man of poison tomorrow on our system. David, we don't care about man. >> Then I got I'll have him. He got tied up with that. So now I'll tell him now we got to work on my my situation. Okay, which we will work on my situation. Get all the criteria he needs and tell me 95 00:25:51.039 --> 00:26:06.960 what we can do and can't do. You know what I mean? And that that'll be the bottom line at the end of the day. I mean like you say a presby system now they come out with a new one. It's all foam. What the hell they call that one? >> They use it in Rhode Island more than 96 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:21.360 Massachusetts. >> Yeah, >> that's Rhode Island. >> Rhode Island. >> Rhode Island's totally different than Mass. >> Mass is like an act of Congress to get something approved. >> That's right. >> I know. So that Presby I just finished. It is It is a lot of 97 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:37.279 work and you really you got to the sand alone from a presby system. You got to use presby sand. >> Mhm. It It's ridiculous. >> Recipe is a good system, but it's not for every It's not for every site. >> I don't think it works for your site. But you can do whatever. 98 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:54.000 >> No, I Well, when would I do that? You You're an engineer. Tell me what you said. I have no friends. >> We can't We can't >> All the wells all the wells tell you what to do. Back in the day when they >> tell you unless he seen tell you what to do. We can only say >> I told you this is an acceptable system. 99 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:10.480 Okay. the the compost toilets, but you got to put a design together for a gray water system. >> Okay, >> I I got you there. >> So, listen. But anyways, I want to do another question. >> What do you want to do? >> I'm going to put I'm going to go that route. I'm going to get David >> because you need to let us know what 100 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:27.840 you're going to do. So whoever you get has to notify this department ASAP that you are moving forward with repairing a system with going with the compost. He needs to design a system for the gray water. Okay. >> And that's more about it because you 101 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:45.039 didn't you didn't even you didn't really have to come here. All you had to do was call us and tell us I got this guy to do this. He's going to >> have your engineer send us dog. Have your engineer, whoever you're engaging, send us a letter that says he's now been engaged by you to do a design. 102 00:27:45.039 --> 00:28:01.440 >> Okay. >> That that takes the pressure off. >> All this >> we're looking to release. You see all the you don't know know the abom between the owner this that you have no idea. And I mean it's been an ongoing 103 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:16.559 challenge. Trust me. But at the end of the day, this is my last sparrow, I think, getting this all squared away. >> So, you know what to do now. >> Yeah. Well, I know. I've been like I I work with uh >> you you you didn't even have to come here. All you had to do was call us and 104 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:34.720 say, "I hired Dave Flarity to design a system. >> Get Dave on his stick and tell him to do the gray water and I'm going to go to compost." That's all right. >> Now, I'll show them the letter. I'll show them the letter that I the response letter and tell them you know how 105 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:50.880 >> people get so busy. >> You can have Dave call. >> I'll have Dave call you one. >> Okay. Okay. >> Good to go. >> We'll get it We'll get it going on. >> Don't take forever. >> No, believe me. >> Tomorrow. >> I I can't take forever. You want to know why? I got to have some serious surgery 106 00:28:50.880 --> 00:29:07.279 done here. And the only reason I'm putting it off and and I I barely can get around now is because I got to get this squared away because if something really happens to me, my wife is not I don't want to stuck with this with this problem. >> No, where to help you out. So that I 107 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:22.320 think that's a way here to help you, not to crucify him with >> I know. I understand. No, I I mean I I get that. So I know and I I mean it's just been one after another with this. >> We don't usually let let it go on this time. It's been over half an hour already. So, I mean, 108 00:29:22.320 --> 00:29:38.480 >> I'm sorry. You know, we have other people waiting here. They have problems and we get a set of >> So, that's that's your plan. Have Dave Flareity call Wanda, tell him you're moving forward. Um, he's going to design the waste, the the graywater system, you're going to go with the compost, 109 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:54.159 whatever you have to do with him. And just as long as we know, then you're going to get it done. That'll be perfect. >> Okay. Well said. >> All right. >> Thank you guys. I appreciate that. I mean, I just want to let you know at the moment. >> You're all set. You can 110 00:29:54.159 --> 00:30:16.880 >> have something now. >> All right. We have another appointment. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> All right, guys. >> Have a good night. >> I'm going to try the rest of it. >> Okay. You >> This is what Frank. 111 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:31.919 >> Yes. I'm off. Okay. 23 Frank Street, owner Susan Alter. Enforcement orders issued March 18th, 26. Review of matters presented. Vote may be taken. >> Your turn. 112 00:30:31.919 --> 00:30:48.399 >> Okay. I'm her cousin Dan Marmelo. >> Uh we just want to get some clarity on she got the letter about the system. Now she's bought she's been there what eight years or so. The house was built 93. She uh so there we have plans. I guess they would said that for a septic, but she's been there a year. So, I'm wondering, 113 00:30:48.399 --> 00:31:05.039 can we just do a title five and see what even the system I don't know if even there's a failed title five from when she bought the house or not. So, we're here to get information on it because she's getting a letter saying that she's got to pay $200 a day. And I'm like, she's a single mom living in this house by herself with her daughter. And I'm 114 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:21.440 like, first of all, it's not that much for your septic, but we just want to clarify and see what we can do first before to avoid this. Fine. >> So, >> we don't want to send fines, but we have to enforce something. >> Oh, no. I understand. That's why we're here to stop. We're not here. 115 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:36.960 >> Can we Can we stop this? >> We're not here to put the hatchet to you. Okay. We're trying to help you guys out to have something safe in your house. >> Yeah. So, can we do a title five and check this? >> Was there ever plans or anything for them? There was no title five ever done on that when you >> It was I don't believe so. When we bought it, we did not have 116 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:53.440 >> It was eight years ago. She had planned. She had mentioned now. Listen, I think they were going to maybe do it, but I don't even think there was record of that. And she's like, "So, we're here to find out what's going on." >> Well, we we need to find out what's going on. That's why we sent a letter. >> Yeah. So, 117 00:31:53.440 --> 00:32:08.720 >> we need to know if you did a title five. >> We need to see if there's one because I'll do >> We don't have any Wanda takes care of all the records. >> We have no record. >> There was no title five. >> Okay, then let's do it. That's That answers this question. I made it easy. I'm not going to be as long as him. I'm going to do a title five and then we'll 118 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:25.120 take it from there. that way. Uh, and I'll get it done as soon as possible for her. >> You're wasting your money, >> especially down there. >> Yeah, >> pits were done in the back field. >> Frank Street's a mess. >> And the groundwater, seasonal 119 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:42.000 groundwater was determined to be 22 in and 20 in. So, less than 2 ft from the surface. >> This is the plant from 2018. So, the modeling is at 20 and 22. And there are leeching pits. What the 120 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:57.120 system is is a leeching pit in the front. Yeah, >> that's no good either. >> Leeching pit's never going to pass. >> That's all that's all in the ground right there. >> Okay. So, this is a big cost for a single woman. Um, so I mean, it's going 121 00:32:57.120 --> 00:33:14.000 to take time. I don't know. So, what I guess what can we do here to uh buy her some time, she'll get it done, but um >> Yeah. He did them all down there. >> Frank did all those down. They built all those >> Frankston. 122 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:30.240 >> Frank Pedro. >> Yeah. >> Frank Pedro. >> Russ Frank Pedro built grandfather. >> Yeah. Russ's grandfather. Yeah. >> He built all those places. >> Yeah. But Mr. Pedro lived >> in the ground. >> Yeah. >> Which one? Which one? >> 23. >> It must have been done in the 70s right 123 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:46.640 at the corner. >> This was going down. >> So you come down. >> Take a left. And then right before the B right after the B G H N R G A R G H G A R 124 00:33:46.640 --> 00:34:02.480 >> Crystal County >> I don't even know how >> they put me down or something. >> You you take the right. >> So if you go down one Southern Avenue, you take a right to go and it's take a left because it's only a right and a left. >> You as soon as you take that left going 125 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:18.560 down, it's the first one on the right right there. There's the one that just sold. Yeah, there's the one that just sold down right to take a right that just sold there. The guy with the raptor >> and then you got another house and you got the dirt road that used to go all 126 00:34:18.560 --> 00:34:34.399 the way to wing road. So you're taking the turn. She's right there. >> The big >> big yard. >> The soils in that area really crazy. >> There's nothing I know is building all these houses down there. >> Well, we have the plans. >> I mean, I've done perks down there. I 127 00:34:34.399 --> 00:34:50.960 just did one down there and the soils >> are totally different from this house to the next house over. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's just nothing consistent down in that area. >> Yeah. >> He just put He just put a leech field in 8 foot deep. >> Now, the system that's saying that 128 00:34:50.960 --> 00:35:06.800 you're saying is there is it a ra system >> behind me >> or is it or can we >> That was just a leech field there. If you were where that old dirt road was, that was the lane. >> Yeah. >> That there's a house off. >> Yeah. That's Steve. Yeah, Steve. Right. >> Uh I don't even know why. 129 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:22.960 >> Isn't that where that's behind you? >> Well, >> on the side of me. Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's doing the approbies, >> right? >> Kind of. >> He's on the turn. >> The plan was approved before you purchased the property. >> So, you're claiming you didn't know anything about it? 130 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:38.240 >> Oh, no. We were aware. We were aware of the plan. We were aware, but we're when we bought at the time, it was uh Okay. It was more like, "All right, she was a single woman in there. Uh, I might need a septic. We're cash buyers anyway. So, we bought the house, right? So, uh, it's 131 00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:55.599 been working this whole time. So, out of sight, out of mind. All these years, you kind of forget about these things. And everything's been working with her system there. It's just her living there. So, we know we got to do it. You have it in front of you. We're just trying to buy time here because she doesn't have the money to do this right now. And she can't afford $200 a day or 132 00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:12.240 whatever you charge. Um, so that's fine. We'll do the septic, but we need time. >> That was the minimum of 200. This other guy's $500 a day. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's >> No, I'm not. We don't I don't If you're gonna go forward with the plan, you already have a plan, >> right? >> If you if you if you're telling us 133 00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:27.839 you're going to go forward with the plan, that's all we need to know. >> We have to do our job here. That's You got to understand that's our job. I mean, this is what we have to do. We can't change, >> you know, state regulations, >> right? No, I understand that. I completely understand that. 134 00:36:27.839 --> 00:36:44.160 >> Yeah. I don't have a problem with, you know, saying, "Okay, we're we're not going to find you anything. We're not going to stop finding because now you're saying, "Okay, we're going to go forward with the plan." >> Go forward with >> We will. But so going forward with this plan is going to be kind of like a slow process for her because it's not like 135 00:36:44.160 --> 00:37:00.000 she can go and come up with all this money to do a septic within a month. It's impossible. She doesn't have it. >> Is there a Listen, I have problems, too. I got bills. She want So, it's I would help her. They do a loan through the state for that. 136 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:19.200 >> They used to have money available but I don't think is there anything >> eight years ago when you bought the house there was unfortunately you didn't jump on that one. >> Yeah, there was a program back then. >> Yeah, there was some funds available. 137 00:37:19.200 --> 00:37:36.000 Um, I mean, now we realize that it's a hard thing. $200 a day, >> but if you gather that up, it's going to cost you, you know, I'm going to we're going to do it. We're going to do this. All you're saying is, can we have a little bit time? I know it's >> How much time you need? 138 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:51.839 >> What are we talking? >> I don't even know. >> I mean, we're going to start right away. Well, I'm going to start right away for and get prices on contractors to go do the system. you would take the plan and have >> I'll start getting her prices so she knows what she's looking into. Um, 139 00:37:51.839 --> 00:38:07.680 >> yeah. So, we have we have the people to do it, but we just got to uh All right, we'll stop this process. This is what it's going to We're going to get a couple of prices obviously and then I'm all right. This is what it's going to cost you. What do you think how long it's going to take you to get this? Because these guys are not going to work on payment plans. We got to pay these 140 00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:23.680 guys off. But, um, >> that's it. So, that gets your answer your question. How much time do we need? We'll get on it with getting prices on this system. Can I take copies of this? >> Can I see your PDF? 141 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:40.240 >> Yeah, absolutely. That way I'll have something to present to these guys and then we can take >> Keep in touch with Wanda at the office here. Yeah. >> To tell her how you're coming along. >> Yeah. So, as far as I I just want to let >> because one thing with the board, >> we're not we're not submitting we're not 142 00:38:40.240 --> 00:38:57.040 enforcing any fines at this time. they're willing to go forward with it. I'm not I'm not going to, you know, don't wait two years because then you're going to get fined. You know what I'm saying? I can't give you a timeline. As long as you get back to Wander and say, "Okay, I submitted this to Joe, whoever 143 00:38:57.040 --> 00:39:14.160 the contractor." He said, "Here's the price, but I'm waiting for prices." As long as you stay in touch with our then we're good to go. >> We don't just don't drive it crazy. We're not going to enforce fines if you if you're going forward with what you're supposed to do. Unfortunately, you 144 00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:30.800 didn't know what happened back then and I don't know what happened either. So, we don't know what happened, >> but at least now you have some direction and you can move forward and then see what you get for prices. >> Yeah. >> And you already have the plan. >> Yeah. Perfect. >> So, we can save money there. 145 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:47.359 >> You're saving money with an engineer. >> Filing fees go right to the >> Yeah. Perfect. So, I'll just take copies and then I'll just hit up a couple people and we'll see. And then I'll keep I'll keep her in in the loop. Keep us all in the loop and um >> and then we will um 146 00:39:47.359 --> 00:40:02.880 >> we'll get it done. >> She's going to make a copy for you now. >> Okay. >> So, you that way you don't have to worry about anything to move forward. >> All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. >> She appreciates it. >> You got to take notes. You're not going to understand them. 147 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:18.560 >> Well, go ahead. We have >> I read Chinese. >> We have a make a full size. >> Well, what if I want to put a compost to it? >> I had to say that. >> Compost toilet is an option. >> Yep. >> Yeah, 148 00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:36.160 >> it doesn't. Maybe it's a good idea. >> It's just Yeah. >> People are doing that with edus, aren't they? Those companies. >> Yes. >> You want to want to take a recess? >> Yeah. Can we uh >> take a quick motion to recess for one 149 00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:51.440 moment? >> Second. >> Okay, we're ready to resume. >> All in favor to open back up. >> Wait, Bob, the other the other meetings are the longest. I don't know what you're doing. Me and Dave are like >> I can adjourn it if you like. 150 00:40:51.440 --> 00:41:09.599 >> Go ahead, Bob. Okay, discussion. Okay, these are all all no 12 Carol and 23 Frank. What are we going to put on that? >> They're all done. We're done. >> Is that pending or what? 151 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:27.520 >> No, that's all >> update. >> Yeah, that'll keep us updated. >> Okay. Um, Middle Road, >> 652 Middle Road, temporary mobile home due to home fire. Requests made by American Mobile Home for a time frame of 152 00:41:27.520 --> 00:41:43.920 6 to 12 months. We read that present. Votes may be taken. >> I'll make a motion that we allow them to 6 to 12 months. >> I'll second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Motion passes. >> So 6 to 12. Not 153 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:59.760 >> 6 to 12 months. >> Okay. >> That's what >> the time frame and no longer than 12. >> Yeah. So they >> if they have to I mean you got another back >> they can come back to us if they need to. I mean it's a fire. 154 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:18.079 >> Okay. Community nurses incorporated contractual service for 2027 physical year review of matters present. Votes may be taken. >> Michael I didn't give you guys a contract. >> We have a contract here. 155 00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:39.760 >> It's there. I just give it to you beforehand. Yeah, it's in the first. Is everything the same? >> Oh, compensation. >> I'm happy you put this thing together. >> Yes. Same thing. 156 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:59.280 >> Make a motion to approve the contract. >> I'll second the motion. >> Okay. because they're going they're going to give us 282 hours, right? >> Yeah, I think that's >> each year. >> Yeah. Nothing's changed. >> Yeah. Okay. Motion second. All in favor? 157 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:21.280 >> I motion passes. Now I know where this is because the road was blocked off. I couldn't >> What's that? >> I remember this fire the day it happened. There's >> Yeah, that's across from the town bar. >> Okay. The interview for Selena 158 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:38.400 Richardson from Portsouth Rhode Island. >> She bailed out. >> She u motion to >> dismiss it. I don't know. Whatever you want to do. >> She was interested in the job, but she decided to withdraw from 159 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:53.359 >> Well, they're all the everybody's going to be interested until you interview them. And that's why I'm going to be meeting with one of the selectmen this week to discuss the ad and what we're going to do because as far as I'm 160 00:43:53.359 --> 00:44:10.560 concerned that position can't be shared. >> But we will never get on the make that decision. Don't you have to have a board? >> We'll never get a we'll never get a health agent. If we've done this before, we'll never get a health agent if you share that position. It's too much work. It's too many meetings for one person to 161 00:44:10.560 --> 00:44:25.839 do. They have two communities. You're gonna go to every community's meeting. It's it's it's ridiculous. >> We've done that route already, Tom. >> I know. Well, I just want to go discuss it with them and if then and what if we 162 00:44:25.839 --> 00:44:42.079 have to set up a meeting, we'll do that. >> I mean, I just feel that with the board of health, we're elected officials also. And why why would the why would they have to go in front of the board of selectmen to be interviewed which we we're the ones that know about the board of health not them? 163 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:57.920 >> That's what I'm going to discuss when I go see them because it's and then I'm going to be doing that on Thursday. >> So if they we have they want to interview our stuff, why don't we interview them and see what the hell they're doing down there too? >> Good. >> I mean they want to play games. We can 164 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:15.040 play games. No, let me just go and see them and then I'll get back to you and I'll let you know what's going on. >> Um, >> let me try to take care of that on Thursday. Okay. >> I don't know how one selectman can make a decision. You should have a vote from the board. >> It's not the selectman. It was the it 165 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:30.480 was the the new administrator. I believe that interview one of the selectman wasn't there. >> I don't care. It didn't matter anyway because the woman when she finally realized what the job >> she was the best candidate we ever had. 166 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:46.880 >> Well, the only one the other ones they had no >> nothing. >> But but >> this girl had soil. She had everything. >> She had everything. >> She didn't have everything. But she did have more than what most of them. She seemed pretty interested till she found 167 00:45:46.880 --> 00:46:03.920 out that the position was shared. >> I don't blame my I can't do that. I got a family. We had a meeting every so she so so say we had our meeting on Tuesday then on Wednesday she got a meeting in Rochester or wherever it's supposed to be and it just you know it's not going 168 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:19.040 to work there. All right we uh how about the the sign of vouchers permits? We signed it all them already. Right. >> All set. >> Next meeting. What's the date? >> We don't know yet. >> Well let's go keep it. 169 00:46:19.040 --> 00:46:34.720 >> David will be chairman then. No, >> I will. >> No, David. David's turn. >> No, it's my turn. >> Oh, after me. It's David's >> motion to adjurnn. >> Is it your turn? >> It's his turn. >> I'm not for re-election. I think it was 170 00:46:34.720 --> 00:46:51.599 you. You can fine with me. >> No, you you come after him. He's the last man. >> Was you, me, and then David? >> Who's on first? >> No, you can be J. That's fine with me. >> All right. You guys want the letter? >> Motion to adjourn. A motion to adjurnn. 171 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:58.520 I second the motion. >> Motion passes to adjourn.