[Music] We're going to call this meeting to order of the Kushner Board of Health on Tuesday, April 8th at uh 5:04 in the
afternoon. Um, present on myself I'm Dave Devon, current chairman. To my right is Mr. McBa, board member. To my left is Joe Career, a health agent, and Wanda Hammer, our secretary.
The audience. Absent is uh member Tom Foron. Um, oh, I should mention this meeting is being audio and videotaped. If anybody has any cell phone on them, please um put on
vibrate. So, first up, correspondence letter from community nurse and home care statistics for February and March. Just February. Just February. We're going to table March 2025. The influenza is still high, Dave. 69 69
flu. Yeah. and still counting 36 cos. Y couple of the odd balls and that's nothing. I make a motion to place on file. I'll second a motion. All in favor? I motion carries. All right. Approval of septic design
plan, subdivision plans. We have none. I was glad to see that revisions were made so that we can avoid having them having to come in. Um, I'm going to skip to minutes. Let me see. We have to table both. Yep. Okay. So,
can I get a motion to table minutes for December 3rd, 20, 2024 and January 14th, 2025? Motion to accept. No. No. You are as motion table. I'll second the motion. All in favor? I. So, we'll table that to
the next meeting. All right. All right. So, that brings us We have a short agenda. So, it brings us to appointments. David and Joanne. Not sure if apologize if I say it wrong. Beck told, you got it right. 17 Renee Street. Yeah. Looking for
remedies. Two complaints. Review of matters presented. Votes may be taken. Um, we did receive your letter. Um, and looking through the letter, I saw mention of a a steel trash can um
out by the roadside. I spoke with Joe and ordered uh that to be removed. Um, I went by myself and saw that it was removed. Correct. Yesterday morning, I think there was a red truck that came by and Yep. as a town employee took it and put
it in a dumpster. Thank you for that. That's one element of the remedy that I was looking for. Thank you. Uh, you're welcome. Um, as far as everything else in your letter, um, I mean, trash cans opening up and trash contents blowing around the
neighborhoods that that happens everywhere. Um, we can't control that. Um, no, I I understand that. I mean, my I when we had those heavy wind storms, I found both my cans on the ground and I had to go down the street and try and pick up and tra chase down and I got the
neighbors trash and it's just Yeah, that happens. Um what concerns me a little bit when I drove by the site um was uh that pipe that's discharging into the street. Yeah, that's uh the water table's high and the folks up the road
pump out and it runs down and it creates that. Did you see the pond that's there? I saw the little pooling water on your property. It's adjacent to my property, but it but it runs in the back behind the trees that were there. I didn't see any other pipes discharging directly
onto the street. Maybe in Yeah, there there is. So, there's two houses up. I don't know what the address is. Joe and Oh, it's the greenhouse up the street from us. Yeah, they have they have an underground pipe that discharges right by the telephone. It's a white perforated lid and it goes right out
into the street. It's right at at uh curbside and then the neighbors uh that are on the corner of Haway and Renee. Uh they run a PCV pipe through the rock wall and discharge out in the front there. There's a number of people doing it. So, this is not my water coming from
my basement. This is water that's discharged from other neighbors that happens to run down with the high perk and then it sits on my property. So this is we should table this here because I'm going to bring it up at the board of public works. There was a request to put in a sore grate there which would help
solve the problem because it's going to go on the street anyway. If you if you look, it runs over the curve. Whether I evacuate it and make it happen a little more quickly to solve the problem or let it run over naturally in the winter time, it's a pervasive issue because it freezes and create sheets of ice from
the running. Um, I don't have to pump anything. It will saturate across my lawn and it will continually run over the curb regardless. And then probably about two weeks from now, early May, it all dries up when we get through the winter season. So, it's a pervasive
issue from January through April, uh, when the ground is really saturated from the winter, the rains, the lack of growing, right? You don't have a good root system in the grass and whatever, and everybody's pumping a little bit more, particularly with what did we just have four days in a row of rain, right?
So, that's the issue. Yeah, the world is But I want to go back to the trash just to just to see if we can uh make one more element aware. So, I I brought a diagram down if I may, just to show you the this is an aerial view um of my property and my neighbor's property. And
where that circle is is where the can was placed. So, it was directly in in the front view. And he, by the way, there's a bunch of compost going on over here, but let's not worry about that. We've tried to deal with that with former letters from I believe his name was Ralph Urban. Um, and it's not it's
not so much I understand um garbage blows, but what he does, so his frontage is right here. This is his house, Chab. Um, and he pulls his cans. He used to put his cans right around here. But if you look at this photo, he puts his cans
all the way over in front of my house. Trash is picked up on Thursday. This can with the lid open will get put out on Monday afternoon or Tuesday and it will sit out there till the garbage man come on Thursday. If it's not full, he'll back out with his pickup truck and and
dump garbage in it until it is full like that through the week and then it'll get taken in Saturday or Sunday. So, out of seven days a week, the can will be out in front of my house four or five days of that week. And these are just recent pictures. In the fall, what you'll get
is garbage. Birds, squirrels will rip the stuff up. You know, this is probably 2 days before trash pickup. And um you'll get the garbage all over the front of my yard, including confidential police reports about drug busts in New Bedford. And um I had the Aushet police
come over. They put the gloves on. They helped me clean it up. They told me to complain to you guys for it. So, it's not if if you set the trash out and you put it in front of your own property or frontage the night before and retrieve it. I don't care when he retrieves it, the morning after 2 days. I don't care what he does here. It's dragging it. You
know that I have 150 ft of frontage. He's got about 50. He he walks 75 ft over in front of my house, right? He takes that extra walk and drags it out there and leaves it there all week. That's what the issue is. It's it's leaving it there all week. So, that's a
recycled bin. Um, no. Oh, it's the You can It's the garbage. He puts a bowl there. Well, it looks like a yellow cap to it. So, it's recycled. Brown cap. See, it's open. That's the garbage sticking out of it. He He puts that out there in front of my house. I've tried to move it. They'll come out
and move it back. The Kushnet police come and nicely ask him to move it. He refuses to do it. You know, he's an police officer. He's going to, you know, be arrogant, do whatever he wants. You know, we've had property boundary disputes with the neighbor behind us. So there's a history here where there's
been some challenges and I think I put in my letter I I've submitted some complaints to the mayor of New Bedford the professional standards of conduct of the Bedford police and then um the chief of police of a Kushnet told me to go to
this Massachusetts state level board of conduct called post professional officers certification board or something like that. uh they may be able because this is it's not criminal conduct, but officers go through training to make their neighborhoods that they live in and patrol in better
places to live. And this behavior seems to be 180° opposite that. We've had mattresses dragged in front of the house. We had a an old rusted gas grill there last week and he claimed to have it on Craigslist, which doesn't even make sense. I mean, why would you put something in front of your neighbor's
house that's rotted and old and then claim to the police officer that gets called that it's on Craigslist? So again, I I get your point, but it's a pervasive issue because the cans sit out there for 2/3 of the week. Um, and you know, it's most people take their cans
in and put them in, you know, an area by their house, wherever they take their trash out. He leaves his cans in the roadway and takes his trash out in his pickup truck and then stops in front of my house and continues to accumulate it. And if it gets all over the place, it gets all over the place. only on one occasion when he was away, they made his
wife and his daughters come out, the cops, and uh clean up the mess. He refuses to do it if if he's home when they get called, but his wife complied and then she dragged the trash cans back over. So, she probably wants to keep the piece a little more than he does. So, I don't know if there's any town bylaws to
leaving your garbage in front of another neighbor's property for the better part of the business week open. I don't I don't know of any bylaws. Is this a week that he's uh taken off this week? Yeah. I don't I don't know anything about where he is this particular week, but No, I mean, as far as his trash cans,
there's no trash there are no trash cans in front yesterday or today. I drove by and looked took them in on Saturday. He took He took them in. He took them in. So So is this like a periodic occurrence? It's What would you say? I
mean, you you usually every Tuesday night he puts them out and then they stay there until like Saturday. Yeah. So the garbage pickup probably if you go look tomorrow you'll probably see them. Um, and then every now and then there's an aberration if he's away, you know, on some business or something like that.
But it's uh the frequency rate is uh 80% of the time the cans will be out there four or five days a week during the business week, right? They're not put out Thursday morning or even Wednesday night. They're put out uh usually 48 hours before or more and then the cans
will stay out there 48 hours post pickup um just left in the roadway. See, water health was in charge of garbage pickup. We had our regs, but when the selectman or BPW took over, they made their own, I guess, their own kind of regs. I know
the rigs were that you're supposed to put up to the curb line or edge of the road. Uh, if it was in your property, they wouldn't pick it up. It have to be on on town's property. So, I don't know what I don't know if that's town's property. He's putting his garbage cans.
I mean there's nothing it's not my personal property that the garbage will flow on my personal property. No, it's in the public. But the thing is, you know, the board of health can't really do anything about the garbage can being out there. What about the garbage cans across the street? Doesn't bother you?
There's no trash that that blows um on my property. Uh they're the lids are left closed. They're put underneath uh some kind of tractor trailer. I mean, yeah, somebody tractor trailer right in the public way. It's been there for years. So that's from Norman for Yeah,
we we've reported that to um in the winter time it becomes a problem because there's a parking ban and it would impede, you know, there's a fire hydrant there. It's it would impede like a large hook and ladder, you know, if you can't turn around and so on hooked up to that trailer. No, it just sits there. Best I
can tell, the police department can tow it because there's a bylaw in town that they made, I think about 10 or 15 years ago that you cannot leave a trailer unattended unless it's hooked up to a trailer. I mean to attract them. Well, that's the thing is be coupled for months. That trail that trailer is not
is is registered. But there's no insurance. What has to covers the insurance on the trail is the tractor or the truck towing or car. I was um I was you know it's partly parked up on the the back wheels are up on the
lawn and the rightway. She tried to have uh obviously Mr. Fet passed. I think everybody's aware of that, right? And I believe they use it for large hay bell storage to feed their horses and that's where they keep the hay. I'm I'm guessing. I don't know for sure. Is that on a private way or is that still on the town property? Public property. It's on
public property. It's not on private property. And um but Norman used to leave it right out in the street and then once a month it would get moved. It would get picked up like 11:00 at night and it would be back by 5:00 the next morning. Kind of an overnight trip once a month. My guess is he replenished whatever was in it and um parks it back
there. Um, and again, I don't I don't have a big problem with that. That's on the other side of the street. It doesn't really It's a detractor from an eyesore in a neighborhood that's otherwise nice. I get that. And um um you know, since her husband passed and she puts her trash cans out there, I'm going to assume she's probably not as able. You
know, she's a woman versus a man. She doesn't want to drag her can. He used to drag him out with his uh an ATV or golf cart thing. And you know, so I I let that slide. Uh if if she was putting the garbage deliberately in front of my property and leaving the lid open all week, that's a whole different story.
That's what Mr. Chabuk does. Um you know, he deliberately goes out of his way to create a condition. I believe what Miss Fet is doing is just dealing the best she can with the loss of her husband. So that's so that's how I would sum that up. You can't expect your wife
if some, God forbid, something happened to you, her dragging your garbage cans out and all, you know. No, no. You were asking me if it bothers me. Of course, the trailer there bothers me, but I I I look at it as a different set of circumstances. Did Joe, did you ever talk to this this uh police officer from
New Buffett? I have. What was his comment? The same kind of comments that we're having today. There's a neighbor dispute amongst the two. It continues. It's been going on for over a decade. Yeah. There's all kinds of foolish
things that go on um in the neighborhood. Um, I mean, if it's a dispute between one neighbor to the other, that don't that's putting us like in the middle of it and we shouldn't be in the middle of it. Well, if if there was if there was rats
around there and you had proof there was rats around it, then we'd investigate even more, you know. I mean, do you have a do you ever set up a video camera to watch the what's going on? Because your your claim is you're Yeah, there there's definitely animals drawing. Here's here's a photograph I snapped where he
dumped a compost pile adjacent. That's my fence and there's clearly animals there rumaging through it. Well, you know there's animals out there cats out there. There's wild dogs, coyotes, everything. You know, the the the issue the kind of the icing on the cake issue
was, you know, putting deer carcass hanging out of a garbage can. That's that's, you know, that's eventually going to draw rodents of some type. Did you see that, Joe? Yeah, it was it was a very decomposed um skeletal remain of a deer. It wasn't
it wasn't a rotting carcass, so to say, but it was definitely not okay. It's been since removed. Yeah. Yeah. Which I'm happy about because that was I'm sorry. Who doesn't I just want to take a look. This This is That's what he had out there. And that
can's gone. So, we can take that off the table. Take it off the table. That's why I said that. The only things left is the rocks that he weighed down with. But I don't care about that. You can clean them up. Right. When the guys picked the can up, it's been there for 4 years. And so the bottom rotted out and the rocks tumbled all over the place. He weighed
it down so it wouldn't blow away. That's something I would personally just go pick up and throw in the woods. What's that? That's something I would personally just take and throw in the woods. I mean, the garbage can. No, small rock. Oh, yeah. No, I just That was just I'm not worried about that. Do you have physical evidence of him
tipping the the covers over so that the garbage is loose and and you mean you mean with the cans that he puts out? Yes. I mean I they're left open when he puts a bag in. So that's the physical. I showed you the pictures. He opens the can, drops a
bag in and and it's left open. So their original complaint I responded I sent a letter to Mr. Shabar. Yeah. um you know, reminding him when his uh trash day was. And I did
have the opportunity to speak to him and he was fine with it. You know, he he got the letter. He knew what the letter was and yeah, you know, about when to put the trash out. I said, "Can you just put it out when you're supposed to and not before?" The only thing I know about him um from that standpoint and a couple of
pictures that he showed me um was that he works a night shift. Sometimes he does put it out early. um because of him going to work and sometimes he does bring it in late because of when he gets home from work. I'm fine with but other than that, you know, that's common
practice. I mean, I'm taking off, I might go 24 hours on, but putting it out Monday or Tuesday, 48 hours plus. Yep. I will say what I guess I'm asking you about the covers like flipping. Yeah. Where I live, the covers get flopped
over from the wind all the time. I can't control it. I can't. No, I got that. And sometimes I, you know, I'm like, "Oh, so what am I supposed to do?" You know, we've got a bad case of crows in this area here. Yeah. I got And if the lid is not totally tight, those damn crows go
in there and just pick everything apart. They throw The lid is one element. Then my wife don't work. She stays home. My wife goes out there and picks up the garbage and puts it inside of my container. That way it won't be blown all over the place. And she shouldn't have to do that either. And then, you know, every time there's a holiday,
Thanksgiving, you got Christmas Day. No, it's not that's not my point is everybody's got their bags way over the top and the legs are like this. We do. We do too. You know, and then and then we have weeks where they have issues with employees and our trash wasn't
picked up for a whole week. Yeah. And I kept leaving it out there. Some people pulled it back in. I was afraid to double stack the next week. Yeah. The one the one element unless you're doing this too is I don't think you drag your can 75 ft out of the way in front of your neighbor's property and leave it
there. really is a spite thing. Um, but I don't issue I don't think we have any control over where he puts his trash can. No. And I I did call the police. I started with that. There's seven or eight service calls over the past number of months because of garbage all over the property. They did respond and their
advice to me was we can talk to them, but we can't make them do anything like you were saying. So, we'd recommend you go down to the town and see if they can put some teeth in a letter with a fine or something like that. Unfortunately, you know, where you know, I look I drove by I've driven by a couple of times and he's got a retreat
lot. He's got very little frontage and the driveway shifts off to the right. There's a mailbox to the left. So, he really has no choice but to put it to the right of his entry. Yeah. Which might be in your frontage, but No, not my frontage. That's his frontage. There's There's like a 50ft element of
the radius, right? To me, he's got to go to the right of his driveway and anywhere within 15 ft of his driveway seems reasonable to me. To go another 60 ft is unreasonable. It's being it's being childish, but we don't have any we don't have any control over it. Perhaps
the BPW would I I don't know. The garbage guys told him were showing it on the right on the curb in the culdeac there. Right in here. So, this is what this is what we got. Um, so his driveway. Yeah, let me show you the No, I remember
the man. His driveway is is here. Uh, Norman for death's over here and their driveway was over here. There's there's Yeah, there's bushes over there right here. His driveway is here. See this radius? Maybe the garbage men told him it's easier for them to pick if it's
here than over here to make that I don't know. They they picked it up there. He used Did they pick it up there? He just, you know, the last couple years, he's been doing all like there's in front of my house. He piled a mattress out there. There's other cans laying over. You know, there's there's numerous examples. I've seen mattresses there before.
That's his mattresses in front of my property. Right. The line between our houses is where that fence is. I can't tell where this is in relation. So, this here would be, you see the wet spot in the road? That mattress is laying right about there.
It's It's clearly in front of my fence here. Yeah, that's the fence. Yes, exactly. It's laying over over here where he had that metal garbage can was right there. That was right on the bordering edge of his frontage. So, that's the the 50ft frontage that I
mentioned. You know, that's just other examples of cans laying out there blowing, you know, stuff blowing in the yard. Um, and it's not, you know, I get you guys can't do anything about it. I just, you know, and that's so this is when we first prepared it. That line is the dividing line uh
between the frontage. So if you were to take this line and go out to the center of the road, I I put cuz he was coming over his lawn mower and ripping up our our stuff. And uh he he would take his garbage and deliberately walk it past the corner over on my frontage lot when we didn't have cans and put it there. So it's been going on for a while. When he
first moved in, he did put his cans right here. There's plenty of room for the truck. Where they have a problem is with FETSS because they got to back up and reapproach with the big tractor trailer there. Is this a driveway right here? No. That's a lot. Your pen that if
I were to take and draw a line from here to the center of the road. Um we had it surveyed and the survey said that you know they biseect the road when they did the survey. So so that piece of 4x4 that's freshly laid down a few years back is right here. Right like that. And
what he did is he he walks stuff over and puts it in my frontage. This would be his frontage, which is enough to park about two cars. Mhm. Like 50 ft. So he's got plenty of room to put his cans there. But this is all this is all history. Just to show you the examples of what
And that's the side, the back. You ever talked to this guy? Do I ever talk to him? Um only only in an interview at the New Bedford Professional Standards Office. We didn't talk directly to them, but we got interviewed regarding problems and then he got interviewed and told his side of the story probably like
what you guys did here. Um, sometimes it's good to talk to a neighbor and get the understanding between the two people. I I don't have any problem. You can always walk away, you know. No, he's what he's done. Uh, you know, this is we're off topic like we were about the water drainage, but uh he's tried to
criminally charge me multiple times. I'll give you an example. I put outdoor lighting in my yard. He felt it was harassing him. So he went down to New Kushnet police and he drew up charges instead of talking to me about the lighting. Um he came around with a weed whacker when I first had the fence put in and he was grinding the base of the
plastic. You know, a weed whacker will damage a PCB fence. So I put a planter bucket there. He had me criminally charged because he felt he couldn't cut his lawn with a weed whacker. So we went to Bedford District Court. The judge laughed at it and threw it out. But so that's And then you suggest I talk to
him about this? No, I don't know. I don't know the situation. This is the first that I've heard about it. We the So, the Beneers, I don't know, Judith and Brian Berner who live on Halfway Road, they own an like a an airirst strip type of lot that goes behind all it butts all the properties on Rene
Street. They're behind us in the woods. Uh so that would be the slot here that you can just see the edge of. Right. Right. There was a property boundary dispute. Three commons in tenant ten tenants in common were Fett, Chabick, and me. uh she claimed the line was down
much deeper and um we went to Boston Common Civil Court uh where they do property boundary disputes. We had our surveyor, she had hers and um it was getting expensive, $70 $80,000 to to have surveys and lawyers and judges walk
the land. So he lived in between the two members that decided to keep the fight up. He he relinquished early, so he didn't show up for a court session. The judge asked, "Where's Mr. Tabick?" And I said, "I think he dropped out." And he drew an immediate judgment of a forefeer
against him. They forfeited. So even if we won, there would have been a chunk. The judge would have to go according to engineers that that surveyed the property. Well, these guys are registered and when they go in, they got to make sure that they're on the money. That's why you
file with land court. They make the Yeah. land court made the decision ultimately in her favor, but they he he got withdrawn from the case early because that was Judy, right? Judy and Bryant Bernier, right? And so he became enraged at me um because we had the
surveyor in common. The surveyor told me, he said, "Oh my god, Chabick just bitched me out because you mentioned that the fact that he was no longer representing himself at court, but the judge asked, "Where is he?" And that was my response. So that's that was the catalyst that caused all the problems. He he felt he was going to ride our
coattails if we won, which we didn't win. The judge decided in Bernier's favor, but there's never been any other issues that I know of. And then then you got the issues with the lights and the planter bucket and the garbage and, you know, all of that stuff.
So, it's a long story. So, can I talk to him? No. I I'd be willing to, but I don't think he'd be willing to. Otherwise, we would have talked already. Well, I that's the only way you're going to settle something up. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, the only You've been
given avenues by the police chief. Yeah. To pursue with that kind of evidence that just not being a good neighbor. Yeah. I mean, that's what it appears to be by putting, you know, junk junk and cans in front of yours, but we can't really do much about No, that's fine. I
think I think going forward what I fully expect him to do is probably put something else out there where the can was retrieved from once he once he realizes it. Um what I need to do is determine from the Kushnet police, can I take my own action and retrieve it? Because what he will do if I take it off of town property, which the police say,
by the way, if it's out there and it's been out there for more than 48 hours, it's considered discarded by the resident, he'll try to criminally charge me for property theft or something like that. I know he'll come up with something. Yeah. if you that's why I never touched the can. I would have taken a hand truck and moved it myself,
but uh you know I don't want to deal with uh hiring a lawyer and going to New Bedford court for uh essent Exactly. That's crazy. You know, it costing you money, you know, for an attorney to represent you and they're not cheap. They're two or three hundred
bucks an hour, right? What what they do cost. And then he he knows that because he deals with, you know, that's his job as a police officer. He deals with I'm sure much higher elements of you would think as being a police officer he would listen and help my point. Exactly. So I think we made our point and I want to
thank you guys for the getting the can off the street. Uh all I can tell you is if I see something that rises to that level again, we'll we'll start the process over again. See if we can get somebody to retrieve it. The the one that that told me to do this was there was I called the state and I talked to
Robert I can't remember his last name something. He was head of housing and health and services up at the state level. And he said that he he gave me advice that all the municipalities have different standards and adhere a little bit differently to how they enforce it
and some are lighter and some are more. But he said I would go ask for a meeting, make your case, and see what they'll do. He told me um to let him know and if it if if I didn't get traction, he was going to look for other alternatives. But it's been moved. So, I think we're good as far as
the Yeah, cross your fingers. As far as the daily garbage, I can go out there in the street and roll his cans back and, you know, we can have this confrontation back and forth and, you know, we'll see if it it dies down at this point. You know, when all these pictures and everything were taken, we were in our 40s and 50s, you know, now we're in our
60s and we're ready to retire. And I'd like He's still young. Well, you know what I mean. He's still young. And I'd like I'd like to uh I'd like to try and enjoy retirement and uh you know not have to deal with the nonsense. So it is what it is, right? You know, and having
bad neighbors is tough. It's tough. Well, you know, if you got good neighbors, take care I take care of my neighbors. I like my neighbors. They're all good neighbors. I want to keep it that way. We have some good neighbors up the street. Well, the the border selectmen are now in charge of the BBW.
Okay. They used to be a board of public works, right? that's been folded into down the hall here somewhere, right? They used to have a formal board like like the board of health and other boards and now the um the board of selectmen are in charge of board of public works. So So would you recommend that's where I go to seek a remedy for
the drainage issue cuz I put a pipe more than anybody else. You got the drainage issue that is in their their uh wheelhouse. Okay. and um also in their wheelhouses whether they can whether they can police the location
of garbage, you know, cans. It's trivial, but it but it at the same time it's aggravating when when it gets ripped up and thrown around. I I can see the point, you know, um I have a lot of vegetation in front of my property, so if somebody did that, I wouldn't see it. But if I was looking at it, I it would
bug me. There's no need for it. Yeah, cuz the crows do come and tear stuff apart. That's what happens. But again, I do want to thank you guys. I know it's, you know, you hate seeing people come in with constant complaints like, "Oh my god, not these people again." Right? I can only imagine. I never met these people before. Did they ever come? No. I
mean, we talked to uh to to Mr. Korea here. He's uh he knows the street all too well and he's heard everybody sign down that street years ago. Yeah. I'm I'm talking 30 years ago. 30 years ago. We didn't live there 30 years ago. 20 years ago, we Well, I've been down that street 30 years ago. That's when Norman
must have first started building a culde-sac and there was problems then. Yeah. You know, I don't know who that was with, but we we had a we had a challenge when we pursued the first path of the DPW in that they said this the town didn't
properly they weren't in receipt of it as a public byway. Norman didn't file the right paperwork and recently we found out that's all been rectified since his passing. So now it's it's you know part of the the town. See Dan Manad and see what he has. He's a superintendent of the Yeah, I know. We
know the name. He's a real nice man to talk and deal with if any way he can help you out with them people. They had plans all drawn up and they were going to put a drain in. They were going to recap the street and connect it. You know, there was a drain over by the telephone pole in front of FETS and they were going to connect it with our side
which then would capture the runoff and you wouldn't need to pump cuz it gets safely discharged under underneath. cuz you're not supposed to discharge water into No, I get that. I get that. That's that's been a bylaw for a long time. I was involved in a project um on another side street off of Halfway Road and
everybody pumped into the yards, right? And then the yards drained into the street. That's what's happening in front of my That's legal. What you're doing, I don't think is legal. You have you have a pipe actually elevated water on the grass and it goes to the
curb. It looked like it was above grade to me. It's like a picture. It's laying on the grass. Okay. Well, it's it's discharging literally onto the pavement. Yeah, it is. Right. I That's not legal. Okay. If somebody discharges back on
their own property and it drains to the Let me ask you this. If you build a brand new home today, he can even tell you, he's an engineer, that you have to put drains on your surface drains from your roof conductors into pits. That's what's around my house. We have that,
right? Their problem is they the house was built back when they didn't do soil evaluations. But it's not even water. It's the neighbors run. Looks like the water table. Yeah. Let me ask you this cuz this is what I was going to do too and you you know you can tell me since you
understand the bylaws. I don't have any problem removing the pump. The only problem that I have is then the yard floods and we get the junk in the street in the winter time and it does cause um my my trees there to sit in, you know, underwater for there's no other place on
the property to discharge. There is I can discharge it in my driveway which will then run out into the street but it ends up in the street anyway because when you get enough of accumulation it runs over the curb. What about the back? It goes uphill. Uh it goes uphill. Water comes from the back. It all accumulates there. That's the most what I was
getting at is the southern neighborhood and I forget the side street. Maybe it was Green Meadow. Everybody was and everybody had the same exact issue and um and Dan did put in um a curtain drain to collect so that everybody can hook up
their sellers into the drain and it it went down the street into the catch basin they discharge. So there is that's another reason to talk to the board of selectman about and it's a drain that they would put in the grass ruins people's grass that they don't own. They think they don't care about that. Right.
But you know the sh 10 12t section and they ran a a a pipe and a stone trench so everybody could they ran a French drain French drain and everybody could tie into it and then eventually you got to the catch basin in the back and it went where all the other. Okay. So that it takes it off the street. That was the
issue was and I right right now if they put the drain in in on the edge of the curb it would still go over the curb and be caught in the street but it wouldn't run all out in the middle and the idea is to get it subsurfacely into a pipe into the last catch basin which discharges back into the woods. Yeah,
I'll investigate it, but I just want to make sure I'm crystal clear on one thing. If I reroute the hose to drain on my driveway, which then exits into the street, that's still an issue. You still draining? I'm not draining directly into the street. I'm draining
on my property, but we'll end up in I don't know. I'd have to see the logistics. I couldn't I don't have a visual. Going back to years ago when they made this by law that you weren't supposed to run your water from your driveway into the street. You're supposed to have a drain in front of
your driveway to catch the water, not to go in the street. Makes a lot of sense. But when the help where where are you going to put the water if there's no subsurface drains in there? It's going to go made him upstairs. Put it there. He's going to take it away. Let me let me remove the pipe. I'll reroute it, but
it will still rot in the street until another two weeks from now when the water starts drying up. Right. Mid to late April. It collectively all of your neighbors that have the same sump pump issues where they're discharging. Yeah. They should you should collectively uh get an appointment with the board of
selectman about putting in that drain. Yeah. Get your side. It's something they do, you know, in all. Yeah. I mean, I want to make sure I don't I don't I mean, I want the problem, but I want to do it in a productive way. The other neighbors, um, we don't have any issues with they're
new or moved in, but I don't want to cause issues with them. No, what you do is get a petition, say, "Look, we having a problem here. Let's, uh, if you want to sign a petition, everybody signs a petition, give it to the selectman, they look at, and if we have the budget to to
put that in, I'm sure they would put it in. Maybe not this year, maybe next year. Who knows, right? They'll put on schedule, but that's something they would do themselves. They wouldn't No, they they can do that themselves. Just dig a dig a trench, put the stone, put the pipe in, that's it. The new the new subdivisions, they're the drainage is
designed to accept all the water from driveways, except all the water comes off of the yachts. Designed that way, right? The the older streets like that, um, you know, they're not. And a lot of the houses are in the water table. So, you're recycling water, ground water,
and pumping it out on the street. Yeah. Well, now that we know that um the street is finally turned over to the town properly, we can go back to Menard and But you're saying go through the selectman versus direct select the board of public works, right? I I would suggest you uh petition to get in front
of the select board. Yeah. Okay. Cuz they did draw plans up. We were actually at a meeting that they were showing us the plans on boards and everything, but then the lawyer said, "Oh, the street isn't turned over. We can't do this." So hopefully maybe they still have the plans. That was like 10 years ago. The problem would have been solved by now.
Yeah. Yeah. That's probably around the time they did the other one. And that's about the same time. Go see Go see the selectman. Yes. Explain the situation. Say, "Listen, can we put petition in to have uh subsurface drains in in the street or French drain? They probably
still have the plans that were drawing up somewhere here in I just see bleeding into the road from two other properties upstream. And that's if you look closely, that's where they have they have PCV pipe. I didn't see it. Yours was glaringly obvious. I didn't I wasn't
staring at see obviously there were two there was an on the other side on the other side of Renee Street, the side that the trailer's on. When you go all the way up north and you get on the corner, uh what's his name? Marks. He took it all down though. Oh, he's got a rock wall there. He he runs a pipe from
his basement all the way. It is elevated. It's like a foot off the ground through the rock wall and it pumps out onto Halfway Road and there's a couple of other people that do that. He took that down now. Yeah. So, he just does it during the winter months like it's a problem in our neighborhood in the winter months. It's not so bad in the summer. So, all right. Good advice.
We'll pursue that. I will remove the pipe. Um, give me the weekend. I'll get it out by the weekend cuz if I walk there now, it's like I don't personally have a a problem just saying No, I we didn't, you know, I I knew that's what I noticed. I knew there
was a town bylaw there, but I was the the the my thought process is because I don't fully understand that town bylaw is it's going to end up in the street anyway. Whether I pump it or it drains over the curb, it will be in the street. Um, so I thought I was, you know, by evacuating it and getting it out quicker, but if it's an issue, I'll stop
doing it. And I, you know, I know, uh, I'm sure Chabick or something will try to file a complaint against me because of, you know, it's the tit the tit fortat thing. Um, so I'll go ahead and do the right thing and I'll remove the pipe and we'll see if we can find another way to deal with it. Uh, if I have to, you know, I can probably find
another area on my property to drain it in the front, maybe over in the middle, um, without it going on the street. So, we'll see what we can do. So, I actually I actually dug um uh I have a a sump pump well with all crushed stone around it. I put like a a 4ft deep hole and you
know it's was 5 ft wide and then I put the can in there, perforated and then filled it with crush stone and dropped a pump in it. So it's a it's like what you'd put in your basement. It's just in the ground at grade level. The cap is at grade level and so it saturates with water and picks up the water and it pumps it out. I'll redirect the exit
hose across elsewhere in my yard. We'll see if we can fix that. Can't ask better than that. What's Well, it's pumping in the street now, which is not a good thing. So we'll fix that. I ain't going to hurt the street now. It's in the winter time. I mean, you know, we'll we'll we'll do the right thing. We just
didn't know all the details and I'll go in front of the the board. Yeah. Go see them and see what what they have. The petition thing, right? If you can get a few neighbors to petition then if all the neighbors sign for it, you know, maybe one may not sign your friend there and they Well, I don't I won't go in that direction. I'll go up. I'm just
worried. There's newer neighbors that moved in and they they bought the house which has the pump going right out to the street. First of all, they're going to say, "Is that going to cost me any money?" Just say no. Town will have to put it in. Yeah. At town's expense. It's not shouldn't cost them nothing other than maybe an increase in taxes at some
point. That doesn't even go up anyways. It goes up every year. Bunch of drainage road come off. They had problems with the high
line up there draining down. Yeah. And they put all drains in there. It didn't cost the taxpayer I cost the taxpayers money, but it didn't cost the people money that they wouldn't buy the house. If they do that for you, eliminate a lot of problems with water. Now, I know. All
right. One problem solved. Thank you again. I'm hoping I don't have to to repeat this nonsense. So, we'll see what happens if the area won't forget. Like an elephant. I don't forget, right? Thanks, gentlemen. Have a good night. Have a good night. You too. Can I get a
motion to place it on file? Motion to place on file. I'll second the motion. All in favor? I I uh motion to sign the vouchers. Second. I resign them. All in favor? I. Motion carries. There's only two I think. Next
schedule meeting date. Plug a date in now or we are on say the 13th. What is it? May just the 13th. is the 6, 13th, 20th. Okay. May 13th will tenatively set the next meeting
date. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? Motion. I'll second the motion. All in favor? I I. We are now adjourned.
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