[music] [music] [music] Good evening. Uh today is th uh Tuesday December 2nd. It's a meeting of the Christian board of selectment. Is there a motion to call the meeting to order? >> So moved. Second. >> All those in favor? I motion carries.
rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Just as a reminder, this meeting will be audio and video
recorded. Um, first item on the agenda is a request to use the parking lot for the police toy drive which will be held on that town hall Tuesday, December 13th. Jeremy Fonts, Sergeant Fonts, who uh
with his colleagues uh spearheading this effort. So, if you want to just tell us a little bit about it and what you're looking for and >> Sure. I appreciate you guys taking under consideration. Um, probably for about 15 years we've been doing that. Uh we partner with Safe Zones, which is a nonprofit group out of New Bedford. We typically do it with the New Bedford
State Police, uh Fair Haven Police, and Dartmouth Police all on the same day for coordinated efforts to try to bring Christmas to some kids. The police associations always sponsored it. Usually have a pretty good time. Some of you gentlemen have come at different times. Hot chocolate pizza we give to the kids. One of our guys will typically
dress as Santa Claus. Um it's a good event. Every chief's supported it, the association, the board. So, I just appreciate you guys taking that out of consideration and with the uh support of the community. They're always very generous, super successful, especially compared to towns that are sitting in
front of a Walmart or Target that we don't have. We are typically at least comparable to what we receive. >> Concerns we don't have that resource, >> right? And again, it's at on December 13th. What time is it kickoff? >> Uh 9:00 a.m. Sorry. >> 9:00 a.m. to 1. Yes. So, um, we can run
a we can run a a message on the board and we'll get some I know Mr. Hinckley is our social media >> guru, so we'll get that out there and I know Kevin's on the dark web. He'll get he'll let people know what's going on there as well. So, uh, is there a motion to uh, approve and uh, wish you well.
>> Thank you, gentlemen. Take care. >> So, moved. Second. >> All those in favor? >> I Mr. Chairman, if I could just make one announcement. It's It is actually a request for new unwrapped toys, gift cards and gifts for teens accepted. >> Thank you for that. I apologize. A lot of times teens get forgotten.
>> Yeah. >> The children's toys are more fun to purchase. Gift cards aren't as fun >> and sometimes those older kids get left out. So, we want new unwrapped toys. We don't want anybody to take the time to wrap toys because we don't know what's inside those packages. We want it to be visible so we can screen everything
going into the bus um and somebody else will wrap them up. Correct. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you, Sergeant. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chief. >> All right. Next uh item is from St. Francis uh school. They are proposing to do a rebel brew run, which is a road
race followed by a social gathering at the school. Um I've been in touch with the principal there, Haley Rogers. She offered to come this evening, but unfortunately she has a um a serious family commitment she has to uh that she's working through. Um, and so I know
that she has been in touch with Kapa and fire chief and you know they've modified the route to sort of pull that up, but essentially they would be looking to uh kick off from Harve Street and use
primarily the side streets. Um the map is not the greatest quality, but Harve Village, Village to White, just crossing uh Wing Road a couple times and they've got a professional company overseeing the event and you know all the
insuranceances are in place. So Chief, I don't know if you want to speak to it at all or uh or not. >> Good evening. Um, yeah, I speaking I've spoken with Mrs. Rogers several times, had meetings with her. Um, we've gone through different uh routes, I guess,
for this uh event. This one seems to be the one that will most was more community friendly where we're tying up main roads and so forth. So, I have no issues with it. The company's been very helpful. Um there will be police on
scene um both during the event and after the event. >> Great gentlemen. Any questions? It looks like everything's in place and obviously you'll continue to work uh chief, you'll continue to work with with uh St. Francis just to make sure everything's buttoned up and
>> Yeah, absolutely. Okay. >> Absolutely. >> Great. Thank you. >> Y motion to approve. >> So move second. >> All those in favor? I >> motion carries. >> Thank you, gentlemen. Yeah. Thank you. Uh Mr. Chair, just to clarify, um that
was to approve the Rebel Blue Run and the one day liquor license. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Motion to approve the one day with the license as well. >> Second. >> I motion carries. And the date of that event is April 11th. So there's plenty of time to work on this. Gentlemen, I
weren't I wasn't at the last uh meeting when we dealing with high seas, but I understand they're still we're going to I think we need to continue this. there. I did drive by today. It looks like the parking lot is slowly but surely getting to where it needs to be, but they still
have to submit a parking plan. And I guess you guys talked about it the other day just to continue it until this gets done. >> We did, Mr. Chairman. Actually, I I stopped by and see Mr. Lant, the owner, the new owner of IC's. Great guy, great business. um place was pretty busy when I when I went in and had a conversation
with him and we went out in a parking lot and there's some of the older gentleman that's been leasing that property from the prior owner and I know the property has been purchased by Mr. um plant so you know you can't you can't really approve something without >> having the adequate pocket and that's
what Mr. inkly and I um just kind of postpone and I let them know that I'll put it on on camera so that if the gentleman that owns that tractor trailer body needs to get it out of the way and you need some rationale behind that and um something to back it up. It was put on camera so he knows that he he's he's
holding that up and I just told him just submit something in a new floor plan because he did change his floor plan when I went in um with his parking plan and we'll be all set and good to go. >> All right. Awesome. >> And I wish him nothing but the best of luck there. >> Yeah, it's exciting. I mean it's great. very very happy he purchased that piece of property for a pocket spot. >> Great for the town, you know. Correct.
>> So, uh All right. Uh next item is we've got some water abatements. Mr. Dlo was here a couple weeks ago. We agreed to take a look at
it. He provided some some backup. Um and I, you know, it's clear that there was something going on there. Gentlemen, I hope you had a chance to take a look at all this. And um Mr. Jim. >> Yes, sir. >> I do. Mr. Miller, can you take the podium, please? >> Sure. >> I just have a quick question. Boy,
>> because like some people aren't answering their phone when I'm calling up looking for information, trying to help you out um and provide some insight for the board. >> And after talking to Miss Jamie Lynn, um handling our water and sewer billing. Now, we did uncover a policy that the
town does have in place um for a pool meter where people if they want to fill up their pool, they can request that meter. I guess it would be attached to your outdoor faucet and you can just let that thing rip and you won't be charged sewer, right? You'll still be charged for water, but you won't be charged for
the sewer. >> Did you ever request any kind of special meter from DPW before >> like you did? You you purchased Did you purchase additional land near your property or something? >> No, it's been
>> So you just re dug it all up, reloomed it, and then you wanted to reede the whole >> Exactly. Regraded it. I had some stumps that had been there from prior years that were dug out, regraded. Um and there was some spots that were light on loom, so they did all that over. >> Right.
>> But I to your point, I did call the DPW before I started the whole project. Um, and the first woman I spoke with, she said that all the the meters were out. So, I guess there's a limited number of meters. She said, "Call back in another week or so." I called back and then I got another story that said, "No, we
only only do those for ingground sprinkler systems or pools." Um, and there was no there was no meter available uh to me at that point that at that point, >> right? So there lies my problem. I reviewed the
policy that we have and Miss Jamie Lynch um showed me that policy. I mean there was a request for a meter. I I get it. It's not in the policy where it specifically says to reestablish lawns and things of the like, but I I look at
it as I'm filling a swimming pool. There's a meter available. If if you come in and and submit a letter or request letter for a meter, we'll call it a pool meter for now, but we could change policy um to read reestablishing
lawns or something that would again build for sewer, Mr. Melo's um case. This is exactly the case. I think we need to establish that policy to reference pool meters and reestablishing lawns or something to do with that because I don't think it's fair if somebody like Mr. Melo went in,
requested a meter, was told it was unavailable, which is kind of weird to me. Um, we'll try to get to the bottom of that, Mr. Melo. >> Um, so that just doesn't happen to a future resident. >> But, um, with that said, I it's kind of hard to to abate something that you
don't know what you just don't know, right? And so I looked at your bill with with Jamie Lynn and you know I your previous consumption you know from previous years roughly,100. >> So I you know that's like
you're looking for like 2750 off the for the split in that difference of the 3500. So when we just did some numbers on that extra 3500, I was kind of like,
yeah, I don't know if doing the full amount would be appropriate because we don't really know what was really used for sprinkler and what additional might have been run through the house and what did go into sewer. >> Yeah. So, [clears throat] you know, I don't even feel comfortable doing it, but because of your
circumstance, because you did request one of these kind of meters and you were denied that um for the sewer portion of your bill, I I I don't think it it's a it's a horrible idea to try to obey 50% of the additional usage. >> That's better than better than enough.
>> So, you know, [clears throat] I I like I said, I I don't like this and I don't like setting precedents, right? And I I hope the people at home don't think that this that's what this board's doing. And that's why I specifically asked you the question is did you make the request for the meter? And you did make a request for the meter. So that's that's first
and foremost. And I think we need to put it out there that for doing such a thing so people are aware of it. I don't think people are aware that they can get a pool meter to fill their pool up and not be um counted towards their sewer bill or reestablishing lawns and things of the like. And we can put a time frame that we're going to give you we'll rent
you the meter for, right? [snorts] >> And have somebody go out install it. Maybe it's a $50 charge, whatever it is, to put the meter in and let it rip and then we'll do the deduct from there. Right. I think that's a fair policy for the town to establish um instead of just water in, water out. So, gentlemen, when
I when I did this with Jamie Lennon, we we thought was 50% of what we were looking for would be fair um off of his sewer bill running the tiered rates on what we've done. Um I got a motion to abate in the amount of $227.50.
50 cents sewer only. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I'm just going to comment. I agree with you, Kevin. I think if we're going to make a mistake, I'd rather make a mistake on behalf of the taxpayer than government. So, um I appreciate you bringing this to our attention and glad you stayed with it
and >> you know um there you have it. So, >> well, well, Frann, as the chairman just noted, I'm glad that it was brought to our attention. It's not something that I'm sure that they've done in the past. It's it's a rule, right? Water in, sewer out is what we bill for. But I mean, if
looking at the policy for filling a pool, >> come on. But we got to be a little bit more conscientious of what we're doing with the residents and and trying to help them out as much as we can and not just out to make a buck >> um on the on the constituents. So,
>> you know, I hope you're happy with the 50%. It's >> it's better than nothing. So, we got a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> Motion carries. There you go. Thanks. Thank you. Um the bill was paid yesterday, so I don't know how that works as far as the abatement part of that. Um
>> well, I think Jamie, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what we'll do is if we just made a for the sewer on 220, $227.50 either we can wait for the next bill. >> We can have it as a credit towards the next bill. That works. >> That works fine. Yeah. >> Right. That's what I'm saying. We credit
that 2750 off your next bill. >> Perfect. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next item is the amount of sewer and water issue
for 25 prompts. Looks like there was an estimate of a,000 units, but the actual read was 300 units. I know Jamie Williams looked into this. I'm sure you have as well, Kevin. Mr. Chairman. >> Yeah. This is pretty cut and dry. There's a minimum of 500 cubic feet.
>> Mhm. Um, so I would make a motion to abate in the amount of $1665. >> Second >> total bill to equal 6555. All those in favor. Motion carries. >> That one there. And the next one, 12
reservation road. Kind of the same thing, a minimum. So this one, this is a house that is kind of it's owned and occupied by a bunch of I guess business items from another ab budding property owner from what we were
told. Is that correct, England? And it's just the house is kind of vacant. Um, and it's just there's no water consumption, which is a little conspicuous, but neither here or there. We'll have to keep monitoring this. I don't know why we pull estimates. So, we'll have to do a better job with our um our water guy that does the meteries
and make sure he's out there on time and billing cycles so we're not estimating people's bills. Um but again, minimum um falls back into place. So, I would make a motion to abate in the amount of $7610 to finalize the bill at $6655.
Second. >> All those in favor? I motion carries. >> All right. Um Right. Next item, I guess, M. Uh Mike. >> Yes. Awesome. Okay. Great. So, um on the
agenda, we have Mr. Mike Redlong, uh who's expressed an interest in the building inspector's position. Um you know, we've had we've had the position uh uh posted for quite some time. Um and we want, you know, your uh your letter
is intriguing and your background is intriguing and you know, we had a brief conversation. So, I thought at a minimum I'd like to have you come in and get to know you and you know um hear about you and where you are and your journey and what you're interested in. So, maybe if
you can just introduce yourself, talk about >> your background, what you're what you're doing on the building side of things, where you're at and so on and so forth. >> Yeah, my name is Mike Redlon. I'm from Middleboro. Um I started um in 1999 with my family's excavation company doing
excavation contracting. So I learned site work, estab you know that work also. Um and then you know in 2013 I decided I needed more. So I went and got my real estate license. 3 years later I turned it into a broker's license and I opened a real estate
company. So um so then I was doing real estate and while I was doing real estate um an old gentleman in town asked me if I wanted to help him build a house. So I started I got in he offered me and I said yes. Started building houses with this gentleman. did like three or four houses. 2015, I went and got my builder's license so I could pull the
permits and and and be the builder. Um, started doing stuff on my own and and you know, as of right now, I'm in middle I got three ADUs I'm building right now. Um, I also have one new construction I'm building. Um, you know, coming from real estate excavation and and building
background, I've seen a little bit of everything, I guess. And I'm used to dealing with all walks of life, you know, from anybody who needs, you know, one stump pulled to someone who wants a million-doll home. So, um, I do well with, you know, just dealing with people day-to-day issues. And, um, I think I
have a unique, um, background that would really help, um, the town of a Kushnet with the building department. And in your letter of interest, you mentioned that you're, you know, working through the certification process and, you know, we've got an established >> uh building inspector who's retired
technically, but still doing work for us. Um, you know, I don't know that's we like to keep Andy here as long as we can. And we know that eventually that's going to, you know, that's going to move on from that scenario with him. [clears throat]
So talk about that. you know, ideally we're we need somebody with the proper certifications, but I wanted to meet you and >> Yeah. No, so I I you know, that's my weakness is the certifications. I'm working on them now. Um my first test is December 19th, so I've already started studying. Um assuming hopefully I I can
pass, you know, I can get through the test, you know, within a 3 month span. I feel like I, you know, can get through and then I'll be able to be a building inspector and I still have two more tests to be, you know, building commissioner, of course. >> That's great. Um, I think I can get them all done within the calendar year of
2026 or if I get if I pass this one this year, technically I would have started this year, but right, >> um, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm a decent test taker, so I mean, I passed my brokers, my I've done all these tests already, so I'm I'm ready to go right at it, you know. Um, to me, this is my future. >> Um, and I'm I'm looking forward to it.
>> Great. And uh, >> so you so you [clears throat] mentioned that you're going for your first there's I I was told that there's fives to get all the way to the end, >> correct? Yes. Yep. So, >> so you got your first one December 19th. >> Yes, I do. >> So, that's the easiest one, just so you
know. >> I'm hoping. Yeah. >> No, it is. I talked to Mr. Babola already about this, right? And then he said they kind of get hotter and hotter and then like the fourth and fifth is got like HVAC, electricity, and all that stuff. So, they do get progressively hotter. >> Yes. >> Um, as you go. Um but it at least making
to building an inspector would be great because right now um without the certifications you can't issue um permits, you can't be a zoning enforcement officer. You can't do occupancy permits. You can't do any issue any of that stuff as far as my knowledge goes speaking with Mr. Boba. And he's a full-blown building
commissioner. So he really and he and he teaches that stuff too. So um he's probably a great guy for you to get get together with, right? But I think you know we we just appointed Mr. the Fabian as a local inspector. >> Okay. >> Um for doing inspections and things that I like and if you would have an interest
in that, I'd be more than happy as long as the board would be more than happy to entertain that. We could appoint you as a local inspector and you could get on board with us as well and maybe Mr. Boba can split some of the inspections between yourself and Mr. Fabian to get you, you know, sack you acclimated with
the town and then, you know, you can get um in some conversations with Mr. Bob Bowler and maybe he can help you, you know, prepare for these tests that you need prepare for. >> You know, help I can get for sure. >> Yeah, he's a really really smart guy. So, >> I mean, I think I think it's a great suggestion. You know, I know we've all
talked about >> we want to build a deep bench, right? So, the more talented people we have serving the town in different capacities, whether it's whether it's the full enchilada or as a local inspector between you and Mr. Fabian, I think that's a really good one-two
punch. you know, we'll see how this progresses and if it's >> if the longterm play isn't with a cushion, but at least we help you get your start to where you need to be. I think that'd be great. And we're glad somebody like you, >> you know, it's come forward because I think it's really important for us to when you get talent talented people out
there, the more talent we can bring in. >> Yeah. >> Then we'll figure out how to best utilize it. So, I agree with Mr. >> I'd make a motion to appoint Mr. Red Lawn as a local inspector for the town of Kushner. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I Mr. Mr. Chairman, one more thing. Um, obviously as we progress to full-blown
building commissioner as it goes. Um, this isn't us just saying we can't do this now, so here's this. This is us saying we're very happy with the level of knowledge you have already. And, uh, I think what Mr. Gasper suggested, starting at that local inspector. Good
thing about that is it's you're getting paid per inspection. So, if you got site work that you're doing, you can't make it one day, Mr. Baby can jump in. Same thing with him. If you can jump in when he can't. Um, and like Mr. Gasper also said, utilizing Mr. Bubala's knowledge,
>> that could be a huge asset for you. And with that first test coming up, you know. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> Hit the ground running, you know, it'll be a good thing. >> Yeah. >> Um, congratulations. While we're on that subject, gentlemen, I'd like to put this on the agenda for the next meeting. I know we've [snorts] we've talked gone
back and forth over the last year or so about permitting fees and bringing those up to, you know, 2026 standards. I think we're far below. Not that we want to gouge people, but again, we've got to be able to cover our costs, right? Correct.
And part of that is also the inspection rate. I think we're paying like >> 35 >> 35 an hour 35 inspection and I think the going rate is like 50 or something like that. Um, so 100% I think we So let's put that make sure Jamie we put that on the agenda so our local inspectors can
be compensated properly but if we can't figure out all the other fees we should at least get the building department I know Andy and Li put together a nice flowchart and we can adopt those when we do our license renewals uh on on the 16th. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The same thing um Jamlin same
thing for like wire inspection, plumbing inspection, building inspections. We'll just keep it >> same >> right across. I think they're all the same now at 35 bucks. But if you're going to move one, move them all. >> Yep. >> Essentially, it's a user fee, right? The the correct petitioner is doing it and much as you like to make it cheap as
possible. We also got to cover the cost and make it worth people's while. >> Exactly. Mr. Chair, I mean, on that note, like you had mentioned, Annie and uh Lori put together a really nice breakdown, okay, of five communities surrounding us, and even with an increase, we still were at the highest.
Okay. >> So, I think they put a fair estimate together. I mean, this was back >> last year when I when I asked everybody to come up with it. They they actually had it done within a week >> and it was a really good breakdown. >> Can we just get like if we can I think
what would be helpful, >> Bob, if you could maybe take another look at it. >> Yep. >> And just come up with one final recommendation so we're not going through all the towns, right? And just say, "Hey, boom, we got one sheet to look at." >> And then approve it that way. >> Um that would be great. And since you started that initiative, maybe you can
finish it off for us. >> Yep. >> Awesome. Great. >> I'll have it ready for the next meeting. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you everybody. >> Hey, good good luck on the 19th, my friend. >> Yes, absolutely. I'm going to need it. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> All right. Uh we've got a few executive
sessions we need to do. Um [snorts] and then uh we will not be making the meeting. And so first one is executive sessions. >> Sorry, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Um, can we just Yes, I got a bunch of them for you guys. So,
>> um, forgot about that. First one, wanted to let you guys know, uh, I've been the gentleman, Mike Elum from I3 Broadband, >> uh, contacted me to let us know that they have submitted their application to Eversource to get on the polls. >> Okay.
>> U, but there's been a delay. I've been in touch with our good friend Anthony [clears throat] who has uh, promised to move that along. I asked the question like what's the there theoretically shouldn't be any issue right it's not like a competition issue it's not like trying to get solo hookup and he goes
nope we need to push it so um I would ask the board to um if we can send a just a short letter to Anthony eversource urging them to move quickly um with the approval because I think you
know we've seen with I3 broadband there's an opportunity to do something for our residents on the telecom stuff and all they need is the approval from uh Eversource. So, >> excellent. Mr. Chairman, I I I would make a motion to have you um draft a letter. >> Okay. >> Um
>> I [snorts] will do that for your >> and just put it on the desk and we can sign and send it off. I'm fine with the letter of support. So, I'll make a motion to approve right now the letter of support and have the chairman WA draft the letter of support. >> Sounds good. All those in favor? All
right, we got just [snorts] a couple others. Uh, gentlemen, on uh December 18th, I think you've all been individually notified, but Old Colony is going to do a stakeholder meeting of all the the the towns, the member towns of boards [clears throat] of selectmen, Fincom, just to talk about what their
next steps are, if there are any. I think I don't know if it's I'm not sure exactly what is going to be discussed, but just want to make sure we were all aware of that. And then lastly, um, unless Bob was going to talk about it, the tree lighting. >> No. >> No. Okay. Uh this Sunday, 6 PM December
7th, the tree lighting ceremony at the fire station. Always a great event. Hopefully the weather holds up for that. So >> um just wanted to reach out to everybody in the community. Um there's a coordinated effort to help out a
particular Kushnet family. I'm not going to mention names, but if you can spare anything involving gift cards for food um or monetary gift cards, the fire station has uh offered up their services
as a drop off location. Um as this progresses, um I will be making a delivery to this family's house. um they had some health issues and some devel developmental issues that they needed some support and
uh this time of year, anybody that can give um feel free. Uh you don't have to put names on anything. You can just drop off any support items. Um no perishable food, please. Um but you can drop it off at the fire station at any time and I will update everybody after it's uh
completed. >> That's great. >> What are we looking for? um monetary gift card donations for a family in need >> for like the grocery store, all that stuff, >> meals and stuff like that. >> Okay. Like clothing stores or anything like that.
>> Uh as far as I know, they don't need clothing. Um they're not in any position where they could do that. And from what I was, it's still in the infancy phase. So, the girl that put this together had just requested any kind of donations
that could be used for things like food or gift cards, not necessarily cash because we don't want to hand out cash, but if you know, Visa gift cards and stuff like that, just so they could get essentials, Target, stuff like that, um supplies, Walmart, anything like that.
Okay. Excellent. All right. Thank you. >> More than happy to make that donation, my friend. >> Thank you. Anything on your end? I don't believe so. >> Okay, good. I know everybody's been busy and >> Oh, yeah. Jamie was trying to keep track of it all.
>> I just want to I know all of you guys Kevin's been here and Bob and you know Jamie Lynn's been working all the time to keep keep things afloat in Mr. Kelly's absence. Uh we've got Margaret who's jumping in there as well. Um so we're going to do our best. So those out
there we're not getting right back to you. It's not because we're not we're blowing you off. It's just we've got a lot going on right now, but we will do our best uh to [snorts] do that. So, uh with that said, um we've got a few executive sessions. Uh, executive session 1 under Mass General Law,
Chapter 3A, Subsection 21A, subsection 4 to discuss the deployment of SE of security personnel or devices or strategies with respect thereto and the chair so declares that an open meeting will have a detrimental effect in obtaining qual should be
in about obtaining quality qualified applicants should open a detrimental back to the town security >> and the board will not >> reconvene and yes and we will open session in open session. Yes.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Those in favor? >> I roll call vote. Mr. Gasper. >> Yes. >> Mr. Hinckley. >> And I'm a yes. Executive session number two under Mass General Law, chapter 3A, subsection 212, to conduct strategy sessions in
preparation for negotiations with non-UN personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions, [snorts] contract negotiations with non-person non-UN personnel, staffing and vacancies and the chair so declares we will not uh reconvene. Is there a motion? So move
>> second. >> Mr. Roll will call vote. Mr. Gasper, >> yes. >> Mr. Hankley, >> yes. >> All right. And number three, executive session of the Mass General Law Chapter 3A subsection 21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining staffing and vacancies of an open
meeting may have a detrimental effect on a bargaining position of the public body and the chair. So declares the board will not return to public session at the conclusion of the executive sessions. So move second. We'll call vote. Mr. Gasper, >> yes. Mr. Hankley, >> yes. And I'm yes, we will now be going
to executive sessions. >> [music] [music] [music] [music]