Welcome everyone. This is a meeting with the board of selectmen. Today is July 15th. It is 4:30 p.m. Is there a motion to call the meeting to order? >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. This meeting is being audio and video recorded. Please rise for the pledge of >> allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. The uh first order of business we have is a letter of
resignation from Mr. Bob St. Jean to the honorable select board members and finance committee members. After many years of service to the town of Aushna in various roles, I am submitting my resignation from the finance committee effective immediately. Serving this town has been one of the greatest privileges
of my life. I have always believed in giving back to the community that shaped me. I am grateful for everyone every opportunity I've had to contribute, including my time on this committee. Working alongside a dedicated individuals who share a commitment to a Kushner's future has been both meaningful and rewarding. I leave with
deep appreciation for your support and collaboration and with full confidence that the important work of the committee will continue in capable hands. Thank you for the opportunity to serve Mr. Robert St. Jean. So, Mr. St. Jean, um thank you for your service to the
community. For those of you who know who don't know a little bit about Mr. Bob St. Jean, um he was instrumental um a few decades ago in our fire department. um he left to go to the state police and worked there for several years as a
state police officer. Um and he served on the board of selectmen for many years and then he served on the finance committee for many years and I'm sure that he's probably had his hands in a few other things that I just don't recall. But Mr. St. Gene has been instrumental I'll call it for several
decades in the community. So to you Bob, thank you very much for your time and your service and commitment to the town of Lushna. Is there a motion to accept Mr. Saint Dean's resignation? >> With regret. >> With regret. >> Second. >> So motion. Second.
>> All those in favor? >> I speak to it. Right. >> Next we have an appointment for a health agent. Um we have Miss Gayy, Jennifer Gayy. Um I
believe she is here with us today. Um there's been some back and forth with Mr. Montana, a new town administrator. Um, with Miss Gayy. Um, I'm pleased to say that Miss Miss Gilly has accepted the job. Um, gentlemen, you have a copy
of her resume. Um, she has a Bachelor of Science in Earth Sciences, which is pretty impressive. She has a number of certifications. She's a mass soil evaluator, title 5 septic system inspector, certified pool operator, food
protection manager, and Miss Gilly, if you can help me out with what a has my haz whopper as well. Yep, I have my So my >> So is that kind of like hazmat stuff? >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. I had that and then also my um my uh safety.
>> She's OSHA. >> Yep. certified US Army cores of engineer construction quality manager. I mean go on and on and on. So um welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you so much for the opportunity to be here. >> So the only thing that I will say is
there was the employment letter that Mr. Lamontine had you sign it's it it's not the one that I I had corrected and you and for you to sign. So okay. The only thing I want to make sure that you understand, it says this position is full-time and your schedule will be 35
hours per week. It's a 40hour position. 35 hours is paid 1 hour lunch break. >> Okay. >> So, it's 8 to 4. >> 8 to four. Correct. Yep. >> Right. You're paid 35 hours. You're here 40 hours. You have a 1 hour lunch break.
>> Okay. >> You You can go anywhere you want on your lunch break. You don't have to be here. >> I don't have to be here physically. >> You don't have to be here. Correct. I just I just want to clarify it um for the record >> so that it's understood what what the job um entitles. But >> gentlemen, I don't know if you have any
questions for Miss Gayy, but >> u Mr. Chairman, um I just reiterate when we sat down with Miss Gaye um when we sat down with her a couple weeks ago, um I was very impressed with the resume and I'm glad you uh decided to accept our offer and welcome aboard.
>> Thank you very much. >> Yep. I agree. Same thing. Um, impressive resume and uh, welcome to Krishna. >> Thank you. >> So, starting pay is $78,000 a year, two weeks vacation. That's that's been >> told to you, >> right?
>> Okay. All right. So, is there a motion to appoint Jennifer Gilly as the health agent for the town of Aushnet Monday through Friday, 8:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. with a 1 hour lunch? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you
very much. >> We just need you. I was told today that you hadn't filled out all your pre-employment paper. >> Yes, I am going to provide that. >> Just make sure you get all that squared away. >> And then do I just need to sign that you were saying it was a different >> We can we can redo a letter stating
everything because it needs to be forward to the treasurer's office so we have a record of what we've provided you for the salary vacation time. >> Perfect. >> All right. Thank you. >> So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right.
the year end transfer. So, we did get a new document, gentlemen. This one is the one you were provided in your book and I apologize. I was in the office today for a number of different things. So, as of this date, the town is looking at a June July transfer to estimated departmental
deficits from these proposed funding sources. So, I will go through them. Um, town meeting and elections, the deficit is $2,400. We will be getting that from register of voters salaries 10th in the amount of $24 $2,400. Is there a motion
to approve? >> So move second. >> All those in favor. >> Board of selectment expenses professional tech. The deficit is $5,000. We're taking that from highway road materials $5,000. The motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I.
>> Board of selectment salaries, town administrator $2,500. We're taking that from Tech R&M Fiber $2,500. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved. Second. >> All those in favor? >> Treasurer legal expenses third $13,000 deficit. Taking that from Concom
salaries $10,000. Register of voter salaries temp 3,000. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Treasurer collector $1,000. We're taking that from accountant professional technical $1,000. Motion to approve. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor?
>> Town council $12,200. We're taking that from Highway Road materials $12,200. Is there a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Town health insurance $52,000. We will be taking that from highway road paving, highway salaries permanent, and
highway gasoline in the amount of $32,000 road paving, $2,000 salaries permanent, $18,000 gasoline. Is there a motion to approve? So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Gentlemen, we will be having a much broader discussion on deficits with town
health insurance. As you know, we've had some issues in the past year as well. Um, I think it's something that the board of selectment really have to drill down and get involved in at this point. So, we will police salaries $23,000 taking that 23 from town accounting. Motion to approve.
>> So, move second. >> All those in favor. >> Police repairs and maintenance of vehicles $16,000. Just taking that from accounting professional technical and board of assessors camera license fee 5,000 and professional tech 10,000
accounting. Is there a motion to approve? So move second. >> All those in favor. >> Police energy $5,000 deficit. We're taking that from street lights building 5,000. Something's wrong here. So do you have a check R&M five or another thousand? But
you only need the one above it, Mr. Chairman. Okay, >> I see under R&M vehicle. >> So, we're not using tech R&M fiber lease energy is $5,000 in that category. >> So, this thousand should be here to make
that 16. >> So, the mistake is the,000 from check R&M. We need to go up to police R&M on that 16,000. I'll redo that one. Police R&M vehicle $16,000. We're going to take from accountant
professional technical 10,000 board of assesses camera license fee of 5,000 tech R&M 51,000 to make up the 16 police R&M vehicle. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move second. >> All those in favor. >> And then police energy taking it from
street lights R&M building $5,000. A motion to approve. >> So move second. >> All those in favor. >> Thank you Mr. N for the correction. >> Fire salaries. First time we're looking at this fire salary scheduled overtime $57,000 deficit. Taking that from the town
account line item $57,000. Is there a motion to approve? >> Move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Another one that we'll be having a conversation on. Gentlemen, fire salaries full-time 39,000 board health salaries sanitarian
28,000 and highway salaries assistant director 11,000. Is there a motion to approve? So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Fire salaries part-time $11,000 taken. Soil board $11,000. The motion to approve. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor?
>> I. >> Wreck service and maintenance 35,000. 3500. Soil board 3500. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Snow salaries 32,500 taken from SEMASS incinerator $25,000. Highway salaries
assistant director $7,500. A motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Snow removal $102,000. Reserve fund $102,000. A motion to approve. >> So move. So >> second. >> All those in favor.
>> Cemetery salaries $2,500. Reserve fund $2,500. Motion to approve. So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Historical repairs and maintenance of building $1,000. reserve on $1,000. >> Motion. >> Second. >> All those in favor?
>> I. >> All right. And then we go to interdep departmental transfers between salaries and expenses. We have we're moving moving money from fire turnout gear $13,000. Fire other
equipment $5,000 to fire salaries part-time $18,000. Motion to approve. >> So moved. Second. >> All those in favor? I you're moving from building salaries building inspector $17,000 to building wire inspector
$13,000 and building inspections $4,000. A motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> ACO I would assume this is they're all connected. So >> yeah,
>> acco allowance $500. We need acco. We don't need I'm sorry. Acco telephone 500 to transfer acco salaries director $1,000. Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All those inv. >> COA salaries van driver.
We're taking $2,500 and moving to COA repairs and maintenance of buildings $2,500. A motion to approve. >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. Veterans benefits taken $1,100 and transfer it to veterans salaries $1,100. A motion to approve. >> So move second.
>> All those in favor. >> Registra salaries temp $1,900 and we're moving that to registra voting program $1,900. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Okay. Very good. So the total is
$41,500. On the first sheet that we did, it was a total of $380,600. pretty exorbitant. All right, so this is where I get things get a little bit messy with um WAP funding.
Um, you may have received notification, but just in case, the cushion is receiving 156,971 in winter recovery assistance program funding as part of a fiscal year 2026 PSI supplemental funding bill will be passed recently on Governor Al signed
into law. So, going back to this, we don't the only thing that I would say on the wrap submission is it's similar to chapter 90. um it'll show back up for snow ice deficit. The remaining deficit that we
have needs to be transferred to a special revenue fund. So when reimbursement comes in, it offsets the deficit. That's how that wrap reimbursement will work. So we're just going to make sure that we have a special revenue fund created so we can offset the deficit on the ledger when we
figure everything out. We have to prove to mass dot our deficit of the 156 so we can collect in that money. That's why it was nice that we received 156 because we already know how much deficits we face there which is an ex exceedence of
$400,000. So, um not a particularly good place to be. Um but that's that Mr. Main. There's no other action. We're not doing anything according to this other paperwork that we got on snow and ice amateurization because we got the money to pay off the remaining deficit. So,
we're not going to hit taxpayers on a tax class. Right. >> That's correct. I believe all the board would want to do is accept the money. >> Motion to accept the wrap money from the state. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Never going to say no to that, my
friend. >> So, renew Camass disposal. It's this is the just a a quick update for the board. Um there was a clause that Mr. Man could exercise and extend into to a August 31st, 2026.
So, we will enter into a 5-year contract. Um, it's just basically an update for the agreement at a future meeting, and we will be rewarding a 5-year contract in the next several weeks. We have to save a salon one day. >> That is correct. And we're actually
saving money by exercising this option. So, that it actually worked out timing wise because we saved all that money from when the board awarded to Harvey, July 1, when that went to effect. So gave us some time to Dan and I to work with the board to make sure we get this
uh disposal mode completed. So the chair wanted to provide this information to the board so they're aware that we're doing everything we can to save the taxpayers money as much as possible. >> Excellent. Excellent. >> It's not a boatload, but it got us over the hurdle of
figuring out trash bids and hauling and recycling. When we put it out, there was a special clause that we had put in the trash bids. They wanted to haul somewhere else. Just so happens that we're falling back on seam mass again, so it works out pretty good. It's only a few bucks for a ton, but for right now,
it helps the town out. So, it's good for us. The dissolution of the following committees. I know this is one that was just kind of set up to help out the golf management committee with the golf clubhouse, the golf facilities exploratory committee.
Um, I think Mr. Angly when you when you and I were on the board, I think we had a conversation with the former chairman, Mr. WA, that we could dissolve, but if there was certain individuals interested on kind of staying on, floating around. So, if we need to, I would I would make
a recommendation to dissolve this committee if need be. If somebody if there's a number of interested people from the exploratory committee that want to reestablish a building committee of some sort to to work side by side, we're going to have the Mr. Mr. Flynn's actually here now. So, I don't know if
that if you remember that conversation, Mr. Flynn, but if if you if somewhere down the road if you entertain discussions in your golf management committee meetings and people show up and say they'd like to, you know, continue working or whatever, that can be put back in front of the board of selectment for a recommendation. But I
think we're pretty good right now with the golf management committee handling that and the board of selectman. So, >> absolutely. And you know, some of them even if it's just an individual, not official like Mr. Caran, Mr. have asked if they've volunteered their time, say anything we want them to do, they're still willing to help out. So, I think it can kind of be an ad hoc thing as
well, too. Just reach out to them as needed. >> That's great. All right. >> So, is there a motion to dissolve the golf facilities exploratory committee? >> So, move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> And then the other one up for discussions. There has been no meetings in several years. And I just got a note
here. I don't want to just come out with a quick motion to dissolve. Does the board want to dissolve open space committee? Because there has been no meetings in several years. So it's it's up to the board's privilege on what they want to do if they want to take time to
explore. I know Mr. Rosendis, >> I'm a huge fan of open space. >> You've been you've been a very big advocate, especially a member of the master plan committee um conservation at the time. So, if you want to hold off on this and not dissolve this committee,
and go speak with the town clerk and find out, you know, the ins and outs of why meetings weren't held, what was the composition of this committee, the purpose of the committee, all that stuff, and you can report back to the board on this subject matter. I have no problem holding off on that. >> Yeah, I'd like to do that cuz we'll be
doing appointments at the next meeting. Correct. So, >> we can we can we can do it then or you can just take take the time. It's no rush. I mean, this thing's been sitting out there stagnant for years. Um, it's just something that was brought up when we were um I don't know where Margra if she's still hiding behind that podium over there. There's the hand. She's
still here. She was she's been working on the appointment slip for all the boards and committees trying to get it back in good standing because it kind of got a little bit screwed up. Um, in previous years, Tanya and I and Miss Levani were working on it. We had a pretty good handle on it. Then, you know, it's transitioned other folks and
things got a little bit screwed up on it. So now I have um Margaret looking at things and making sure that everything's updated with dates of expiration and things of the like and you know forming the right folders for appointments, letters of interest and all of that stuff and resignation folder. So we have
records of everything and she's relatively new. She's been in the office for just under a year or so. So she's developing the office the way she sees fit to be able to the office is going to be able to function for her, not for a previous employee. and every employee goes in, it sets the office up to
function to their specific needs. Um, and that's what Margaret's been doing. She's been doing a great job doing it. So, just it's time consuming flushing through all the old files and figuring everything out. So, we'll pass over on the open space committee, gentlemen. >> Sure. I'll work with Margaret getting a
list and I'll go see Pam and get a list of >> previous members. >> Excellent. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Rosenes. >> Cal Church. Um you know they we the request was in to establish a gift account. Um the only ones that can do that is us. The only one that can accept
um monies for a gift account of the board of select men. So all I need is a motion to establish a gift account for the old church. >> So move second. >> All those in favor. >> Thank. >> So I know it says reise. What I'm going to do here. It's not something that we
typically do. who I know the board of select when they're the appointing authority, but these yes kids, they're just uh it's, you know, it's a short program in most cases. Um I think these two individuals wanted to do some work at the schools. So all I would do is u
make a motion to accept the applications for Nicholas and Nathan Grace for the yes program. >> So move second. >> All those in favor. >> Marvin, can you reach out to these two individuals and let them know? Go ahead. Well done.
>> Thank you. Um the higher on the golf gentleman, I'm going to pass over this. Uh we haven't gotten any comment back from the individ individual that would have liked to. I apologize to him and it was sitting in the folder. I didn't realize there was some other things with golf going on and we just weren't taking
that up at the time. Um and this poor individual's letter of interest has been sitting there stagnant. So um I've asked Margaret to give it a little bit of time and see if he's still interested in taking the job. And I know that um the director of golf has some other letters of interest for it, but I I want to give
the original applicant some time to get to a response >> to that one. >> Yes, sir. >> Right. His dad's in the audience right now. >> Mr. E's in the audience right now. >> Oh, okay. >> My kid. >> So, Mr. Inkley is going to put us on the
spot right now. And as I just said, we'll give him a little bit of time. Um but yeah, your son Cameron did apply. I apologize. As I just said, his letter of interest was sitting in a folder with upcoming meetings. Um, I've seen a bunch of different things for golf and it was
kind of just passed over. That's why I'm apologizing to this young man. Well, to you now, as the dad, I don't know if your son still has an interest um in working. He he hasn't gone back to Margaret, but I'm I'm trying to give him an opportunity to respond either yay or
nay because if he does, I'm not going to bypass him and make other appointments that have been given to us from the director of golf. I want to give it to Cameron. >> He's very interested. I wouldn't sure what the holdup was. Whatever has to happen to push it forward, I'll take care of it. So >> So you're saying that he is interested?
>> Yes. >> Well, then I'm going to act on it right now. How's that? So we have a letter of interest from I would like to be recommended hiring Cameron Heave as a replacement as bad boy as one of our workers has pursued other interests. He is a Kushner resident who was responsible personable and interested in employment at the golf
course. He is familiar with the staff and has been playing the Kushner River Valley Golf Course since he was young. Forwarding forwarding questions. You may have review response. Thank you in advance, Dana. So, I'll ask for a motion to appoint Cameron Heavey as a bag boy
for the Kushner River Valley Golf Course or any other position that he needs to take. >> So, move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> There you go. Thank you, sir. >> Sorry about that. >> We're fixing it all, Adam.
>> One step at a time. >> We're We're getting there. We're trying. So the next one is a ethics disclosure. The problem with this ethics disclosure, it's not filled out by the right individual uh with all the right information. So I will pass over on
that. And the last thing we have on new business is the owner project management services for the Akushnet River Valley Golf Course. And that we do have the chairman of the golf management committee here. Um, gentlemen, you do
have two separate fee proposals in here. I would I would tell you to go through the second one because I did call Mr. Flynn yesterday when I was reviewing this um after I went through the first one and I said he said there should be a second one in there cuz they redid some language. So, the second one, Mr. Flynn,
do you have you want to come to the podium and have anything to say about how we got here or any of that stuff? Sure. >> Good afternoon. As you know, we uh several months back we undertook the process of looking for an OPM, the owners project manager for our clubhouse. We had several uh four or
five firms show up in person for the course. Four four firms came in person, gave presentations, all highly qualified. We could have been done well with any one of them. get down to who do we feel best fits our course, our needs, and then of course price proposal that
fits something that we felt was also impalatable for the course, the amount of input we're going to look for from the OPM, the amount of dollars that they would charge. And one that pretty much unanimously at the end rose to the top was our RTA. The two owners of the firm are here with us tonight, George and
Rafael, if any of you have any questions for them. as the chairman of the board and Adam's here as well. I think we all feel very strongly that they could do excellent work for us. They have excellent references. They've done tons of public work, tons of public construction, and they'll get us through this project successfully, I'm sure.
>> Great. And I would like to thank you, Mr. Flynn, for your hard work and efforts on putting everything together and the bid specs and everything that you've done and the communications that you've had with all the um candidates for this. I know you've done a lot of back and forth out of your personal time. Well, thank you very much for your time and effort.
>> That's why I'm on the committee to get this done. >> So, there's only under and I can direct this to the whoever the two individuals are here from RTA. Inside this notice, it says like bid phase services. It says issue notice of intent to award. Would that be you or would that be the board
selected? >> Well, they they would work. I mean obviously you guys award the contract but they if we needed somebody to inform the vendors right that you guys would send like a letter out but obviously at the the board selectman does the awarding but if we're looking for somebody to remit the letter to them and
letting them know it can flow through them so they can you know kind of hold our hand through every step of the process. I'm just I'm just making sure the way the language is and >> Yeah. No, we >> I've gone We've gone I I say I've gone I've gone the board's gone kind of tongue twisted and caught up in black
and white language that's not it's vague. >> Um and then things go off in one direction. We're like, "Hold on, time out." You know, >> they they know and I know you know that that the selectment award the contract. This is like the notice of letting them know. >> Okay. So, the only the only other one that we had some back and forth on in
emails was it says conduct site visits to review general condition, ensure compliance with specifications at least twice per week during construction averaging 4 hours. Again, not very definitive. I I know we talked about 8 hour days and not doing it all week, 40
hours a week and things of the like. The way I read that is you could show up twice a week, 2 hours on each day and that's sufficient. I don't know if that's sufficient enough in a construction project when things are really going at it. >> Sure, they can speak to it, but in in my mind and in speaking with them, I think
some of it is unknown yet as far as what's the type of construction, the construction materials, any site issues that we're unaware of yet will help dictate how much time they feel is needed in the moment once we get there. So, that can absolutely be revised. I'm sure if we feel that we want more time, you guys can provide more time, we can
work that out as it comes. I think it's just being consistent and looking for what we think we need right now versus what we know we'll need 6 8 10 months from now once we're in the middle of actual construction we could certainly amend that if need be at the time
if I if I could interject too it's been our track record with our clients whether it's New Bethford Fall River or Springfield we we exceed what we typically do on projects so for example Haven High School which we completed last summer as the OPM um we did some additional work there and But we never
charge the town for it. So I'm in Marian. I'm a former town of a cushion resident um way back. Um so I'm only about 15 minutes from the site. And I know working with David in New Bedford, we understand that, you know, things occur on a project. We're there. You
know, we're not we're not uh looking to, you know, charge you for everything we do. We give you a lump sum fee. We're here to help the town get this project done. >> Right. I was just I'm just a little skeptical because we talked about the no need for the fulltime I think the language was in some document about
fulltime 40 hours and Dave and I were laughing at it going so and I think I put something in an email saying that document is probably 100 years old forget about it we don't need that for what we're doing here so I mean I just don't want the lack of I mean we're paying somebody
to be owners project manager and normally that consists of people being on site during construction making sure that the materials that has been promised to be used are being used. If trench works being done, somebody's there monitoring that and to do it twice
a week with 4 hours. I don't like it. So, that's all I'm saying. And I guess if if if David feels comfortable with the relationship that he has with you folks that in the past work that you've done as you're saying is we're okay with that. And if we have to show up two days, four hours each day
to do it, that's what we're going to do to complete the task. If y'all if you're making that pledge to this board, then I'm okay with accepting it. >> I'm making that pledge to the board. Yeah. >> Okay. Very good. >> Well, gentlemen, I will let it turn it over to either one of you. If you guys have any questions, comments, or
concerns. >> Um, no. I just when I saw Clark of the work and it wasn't in the spec, I figured Mr. Gaspo was going to be that. >> No thanks. >> I already do it on everything else going on in the town. to your earlier
comments, Mr. Gasp, the several members who are in the trades from the facilities exploratory committee have also said that if we're in this section of construction that's their trade, they're more than willing to just be an extra volunteer set of eyes and ears on the project as well. Obviously, not
replacing them, but in addition to them and they've already reached out to me and said anything we want from them, they're willing to do as well. So, >> well, that's the great thing about a cushion, right? we all stand together and we represent each other well and I you know I commend all of those volunteers that say they have a
specialized profession and they're like we'll step in when you know we used Mr. Corgan >> electrician might when electricity stuff's got he might show up and go whoa whoa whoa whoa what's going on over there that's a no no right >> yeah Mr. Fabian's offered up his help and if needed.
>> So I we do have some great people um to help us out with this and that's what's being able to keep the project cost down, right? So >> kudos to all them. So I would just make a motion to award RTA architects and OPM the contract for the owners project
manager for golf clubhouse construction. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Congratulations. >> Mr. Flynn, we will be once we settle out all this other business that we have going on and flushing out all the past problems.
We're going to try to clean up the slate that we've been on and and move forward. And we're going to have you folks that whether it's just you as a chairman or to come in and talk about that design that we talked about a while back, right? All up. Right. Well, that's going to be the very first task with them is helping us find the actual design of
which one will get to the actual design and not just again not to belabor it but the the initial thing was you know theoretical spacewise how many square feet plugging in the boxes not an actual floor plan but absolutely when we get to that point you guys will be involved as well.
>> Okay awesome look Mr. Flynn. >> Thank you. >> All right. No further questions over there. >> Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. All right. So, I did ask Mr. Manan last
meeting that we Mr. Manan was actually on vacation. Um, and I did mention bringing up Hamlin Street um pavement just to get it out of my head and get it on the radar because I really like to get that road done by
late October. So, in order for us to get it done by late October before the weather gets too cold, um there's like a perfect temperature for pavement and that's right around in the October late September October area. So, I would like to uh I asked Mr. Manardan if you come
in just give us an update and just so you know, Mr. Angley, I think last year when we were discussing road paving, you had a conversation about contact with a few people from Morningside about some water problems and then Mr. Manard and I
did go out to Morningside right after we had that conversation with the board. You brought it up. Mr. Manard went out there with me and we addressed some of the residents. They came out and spoke to us and identified some situations and um Mr. Manad and I actually measured the road at that point
um and figured out we I told them, can you please put that I don't want to drain chapter 90 money to zero. It's never a good idea. Um, but I just asked them to put some numbers together so that we could have those two projects and the way we'll probably go out for bidding will be a little bit different.
Uh because I've had previous conversations with Keing when we were negotiating the HCA. The question came up is why do you do things the way you do things on specific roads instead of doing a blanket bid for half a million, $300,000 a year for three years or 5
years? We can dictate whatever amount of term we want. Yep. >> Um and it kind of leaves it wide open so we don't have to keep going out for bid. It's just a blanket bid. And if we have other things roads that we want to have done, we don't have to go, "Oh, okay. Let's get in to put a bid spec together and post that out there on the central
register or wherever it needs to go." We could just >> put the put it in front of the board, get a vote and say, "Go for it cuz we're on the contract for 3 years with whoever gets their bid for a blanket amount of money." And I know Mr. Lontaine when I talked to him a few several weeks
ago he actually brought the same thing up to me about how they did it that way in other towns. So I said we will have that conversation about doing it that way cuz I I don't we've been caught kind of flatfooted with different things and it's like oh no that wasn't in the bid
so now you got to go out to bid and that delay is just you know 60 days long and you could lose it depending on the way you want to do something because of the time frame because you don't want to do things in the cold. >> Yep. >> So with that said we're going to kind of rethink the way the town's done business
with payment. um collectively we'll all work together and figure that all out and what's going to work best. I know Dan's um got a lot of great ideas when it comes to that and Miss Maine's familiar with the process. So um once they're done putting things together, I can have a conversation to make sure
that that's from Keing's standpoint. >> Not saying they're going to get a water, but they can say, "Yeah, that's how you would put it out for bid." >> Yep. >> Right. So that it it satisfies the needs of the town. Um just double-checking everything and making sure that when we do things, we're going to be doing things right in the future. So Dan, you
you you put up. So these are numbers I put this is from last year's bid prices. So I mean nothing that ain't in stone. So both of these estimates were used from last year's um reclaim price and last year's um asphalt. So that was
asphalt in place which was like 105 under 105 a ton last year. So that's what this was based on. Um, so if we do go in for a bid, you know, these numbers definitely going to change. I'm sure they're going to be increased. Um, so
and the other paper is up todate chapter 90 funding that we do have. Um, which is 1909 319. Um, the only thing is the the 757. I'm glad Jamie's here. Did that get did we
get that because that project should have been closed out. Is that not closed out yet or? >> It's been closed out. We've done the reimbursement. I haven't heard anything about >> Oh, really? Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz it's still on the paper. So, that one's definitely closed out. That 757 was for the Mendle Road project. So,
that should be gone. So, if you deduct that from the 1909, it leaves you 1,151 814 was the number. So, just say a million15 is what we have to spend this year. Um
these couple projects again I come in at was like what uh >> 5606 both. >> No I got like 585. 585 for the two projects. One was like 463 and the other one was 1036.
That would be 566. So >> that's yeah >> you have 566. Yeah thetal cost five is what I had left over after the 566. That's where that number is. So, it is 566 for the total. >> Yeah, you got the total sale. >> And then that leaves like a $600,000 balance.
>> Yeah. 585. That's the number I was reading to you. >> Yeah. What else? It's the numbers are close enough. >> So, there's room in there to do other um other projects that you guys like or oring or something like that.
>> The problem I I had a conversation with Dan when I when I asked him to to talk about these two roads because we made a commitment to residents about these two roads, right? We've already discussed this. It's something that we need to get done and I want to get them done this year. Yep. >> Period. >> However, because we have some balance in
there, I've had a conversation with Mr. Manard and I know that there's so many other main roads that have issues, but I've gotten a number of complaints and we would have to drive around and take a look at what's going on on Main Street. I'm being told that some of the storm water grates instead of them being faced
this way, they're this way and you can go with a bicycle and go right inside. And I said, "Tell me where that is. Was it really even in a cushion it?" So I still haven't gotten updated on that. So I'm like, "Okay, you can't tell me that there's a great facing the wrong way and not tell me where the great is. So I'm not going to drive around." I mean, how
many storm water grates are we out in town, guys? >> It's over a thousand. But it's a simple fix cuz you >> I know. I know what it is, but I tell him, I said, "I can't fix things if people don't talk to us." >> So I'm like, "Are you even sure that's" And he goes, "I don't know where I was, but I I'm like, okay, whatever." So
neither here or there. What I did talk to Mr. Manard about is I don't know how many two decades or three decades ago they did a water man down middle road between we'll call it Morris's lane and up towards the Birch Street welding lane
area and that trench is collapsing. >> Yep. >> And the and the asphalt's busted apart. So you don't have much longevity left there before that turns into a complete utter disaster. Once a road starts spiderwebing like that. >> Yep.
>> One more winter and plows are going to rip up all that stuff. You're going to have sink holes. It's over a water mane. That's extremely nervous. I'm extremely nervous about that kind of a situation especially in winter time. So, and and the structures
on that part of middle road, the road, some of the manholes have heaved up and you can it's it's obviously a clear and present danger for motorcycles. First of all, we have a lot of people that ride bike in this in this town. Um, but also passenger cars, low riders.
>> Mhm. >> Um, the manholes are 4 in above the roadway. They're heaving. And then we have other ones that are the the grates and some of them are sunk in the road. Um, and it's a large swath of roads, so I don't know. I mean, Dan and I would
have to go and the problem is when I drove up the other day and I was looking at it and I'm driving and I'm I'm trying to find where all the crappy pot ends so that it don't look foolishness and Dan did a small section right after the library down to like uh we'll call it
Paris Lane. >> Y >> that little side street there after you know Kavalo's Choppers area. um over there he did a small stretch cuz that road was a little it was just an overlay. Um but I kept driving and every time I drove and I was like oh good is a break and then you know I'm going 35
miles an hour and I'm like oh look at the road it's all busted up again like 100 ft down. So it's like where do you stop? Because way I'm looking at it you're probably talking a 3/4 of a mile to a mile. So, and you don't just want to randomly like I'm thinking if we went
from let's just pretend it's not really Bert Street anymore cuz it goes further up where it's busted up too. So, that'd be foolish in a few hundred feet. But then you keep going. Do I go all the way up where he left off at Paris Lane? We'll call it Paris Lane. >> And do I go and wrap around that bend
and stop at Lenn Street? >> I don't know what that cost is. So, right now I tell them let's focus on Morning Side. >> Yep. I I don't think we need to do that just yet cuz these are both reclaims. >> Okay. So now the Hamlin Street one, I don't know if you seen that, I did have
200 ton to mill cuz that you said you wanted to mill that bridge while we're doing it. So it's all one. >> That's right. So that that if you look on there, it was like 600 and something feet, Kev, of of that bridge. >> So that needed to be mil. So maybe that
milling because that's like a really small milling job to do that. Maybe you can um integrate the milling because I it used to be like 10 grand a day to get a milling down there. I don't know what it is now. We ain't milled in a little while. But this might be something that
if we're going out to bid, put that milling in for that bridge cuz we're doing the Hammond and Annie Street and then go to Middle Road. I can measure that up and see, you know what I mean? What >> So it depends. it. Again, this is this is where it gets a little tricky and I hate to keep bringing up the name, but
if Keening was to win the bid for paving, >> they have milling machines obviously, right? So, at that point, if we weren't going to go off and do when Dan and I have to go out and measure road to see what we have left, we have 600,000. You
don't want to blow the whole 600,000 be zero with 90. Okay? Just for the simple fact that I always say and roadways cost a lot of money. You're going to leave a couple hundred,000 as a buffer because god forbid you end up having something happen somewhere else. You have no money
to go out and make that repair on the asphalt, right? So you never want to drain the bank to zero first and foremost. That's a foolish you wouldn't do it in your household, right? >> So we ain't going to do it here either. Um not as long as I'm around. I think that'd be foolish. But if we have
$600,000 balance and we look at it and say it's 350 to mill and then do a inch and a half overlay, it's 350 400. You still have that couple hundred grand buffer for
future emergencies >> and you can get more out of that one day thing that he's talking about. However, we could wait and to see where the bids could move. Dan and I can go out and look at that road where that water trench is is getting really bad. We'll
measure things out. He can do all his calculations like he did here. >> Maybe I can find out some rough numbers on what you know million stuff's going for as well now. You know what I mean? Got a couple guys in the field. So, >> but what I'm saying Dan on the bridge pot if we if if we if we were to award >> Yeah.
>> If Keon was to win the award, I mean I have a strong relationship now with Kading. The town does, right? I don't think they would kill us to go over and just bring the milling machine and just mill that little spot of the bridge and say, "Okay, see you later cuz
we're paving everything and all that BS." They probably do it, >> you know, as a favor >> because of everything that's been going on with the town. And we have built a great relationship with them and they've made I think last year out of the golf tournament they donated like $23,000 to
the school department. They're doing another golf tournament now um and looking for a place to donate funds to the town. So, they they're trying to be really good neighbors and and give back to the community. And I think that's great. So, I think that's something that I wouldn't have a problem making that
request if they could come in and mill the bridge um and just put it as part of a peace thing. But I know the the other big firms ain't going to come in and go, I'm not bringing my milling machine. It cost me more to transport the milling machine. I'm not doing it for a $2,000 mill job, right? That's what he's
getting to. >> But if somebody's doing the paving, they might be able to transport one milling machine. It's only, you know, probably 5 hours of milling for them to get over there and mill it up, the little bridge part up, right? >> So, there's some things for us to work on that, but we will
we'll address this tonight. Dan and I can do a measurement, figure out what's the best approach to middle road and fixing structures and and you know milling that section what the cost would be and then overlaying with an inch and a half or two inches. I do two inches
but we'll see how much we can go down and all that the condition of the road. Um, it's not what I learned in the gas man with Eversource doing that is when I learned when I was out there talking to them and negotiating with them on to curb the curb and all that stuff in
different areas of the town was the condition of the road when you mill a road. As long as you have enough asphalt, that's great to mill. Okay. The problem is what is the condition of the asphalt and how deep are the cracks and the webbing going on? cuz you can mill that
road, >> but if you're going to pave over something on the we'll call the subsurface the other 3 in of that's left of pavement. If that's garbage and that's all spiderweb, >> they told me you can overlay this road. >> But I'm telling you right now, depending
on how bad the cracking and spider webbing is going to be is what they call it in the field. Depending on how bad that is, you might only get 5 years out of this overlay and it's going to start doing the same thing over again. So, it's kind of a that's why when we do a lot of roads now, we Dian and I go out
and we, you know, you kind of dig on the side of the road and you look and there's only that much asphalt. It's a reclaim job. You have to do the job right. You spend more money, >> but the the amount of longevity you get from that road goes from >> 5 to 7 10 years to 15 20 years. >> Spend it spend right money once.
Everything it's on the base. You really got you need a good base. You got a good base, the road's going to hold up. >> And that's why we done a ton of projects. Most of our roads that we've done has been a total reclaimed and well chip seal in the back in the day and the chip seal and they just kept chip seal
chip seal chip seal. >> Back then that stuff worked pretty good, man. My neighbors got a little bit of that going on and that and that stuff last like 30 years. I'm telling you right now that stuff in the old days last better than what the crap is you're buying now. >> Yeah. Well, no, but you had to do it every year. The guys are doing it every year. Every year less traffic. No, my
neighbor would been done once and that was like 25 years ago. >> I know. just cuz you did like 15 times over there. So, >> yeah, there are some roads, but anyway. So, you know, that's where we're at. We just, you know, we got to we're trying to do a better job with keeping up with paving and we do have some other roads.
I talked to Dan about one and he said, "Oh, I don't know if it's an accepted road." And I said, "That's that that's not acceptable anymore to me either because I forgot what the road is. It's off Laura Keen and I think Porter. It's a little side street that goes this way across from your area and it goes this way." And I've had number of complaints
from residents over there going, "The road's an unsafe road, right? So, look, if the road's been paid for the last 30 years, what are we going to tell people? Keep paying your taxes. We're not going to do anything with your road." That's that's not how we go. And we can do something to accept that road because
it's been there, you know, a paved road in existence for 30 years. The town's obligated to take the road, right? So, Dan and I also having that conversation. And then he keeps throwing things like I keep throwing things at him. It's just it's it's a can of worms
>> cuz there's been so much that hasn't been done that we have so much to be done and we only have so much funds. But he brought up tutelane. >> I was just going to say that that's bad. >> Ulane. So I'm just going to bring it back. >> I was I was going to say it anyway. So
you hear it from me regardless. Um most of that roads in behavior. >> Yeah. They said they were if we did the the ground work, if we got it prepped, they would pay for the asphalt. So, that was kind of the the last time I've talked with them. Um, but then it was
some type of mutual aid agreement that happened with the last town administrator. I don't nothing ever happened with that, but I'm there every year going down there with the dozer something and grading that off. >> So, it this is something maybe in the
future. I mean like even if we do that in house it's a lot cheaper like I'm doing Crescent Streets it's like a it's a >> we authorized this already >> so hold on so what I did what I what we did we had this conversation and we did talk about it you're absolutely correct
Mr. League. However, when the so-called what we got was an intermittent agreement, which that wasn't what that was all about. It was just about us doing like a co-op to, as Dan just alluded to, we do the prep work. You give us the money for the asphalt, we'll
go over there, pave the road way better than what you got, blah blah blah blah blah. Then what we ended up receiving was I don't know three, four, five pages of some kind of Mickey Mouse intermincipal agreement that didn't say that's all we're doing. It's hey so we got this kind of an agreement now and we
want you to sign it because we're going to have their workers come to the town of a cushion and we're going to send your workers to the town of and I'm thinking myself how did going from paving a road >> to sharing no that wasn't what we were doing. So it was kind of wishy-washy.
So, how about So, should I contact them and let's try to get you and have them guys come? How about meet the board personally? That would kind of be the maybe I don't know if one of their board members or something or one of their department heads or something come over here and >> and let's try to bring it back on the
table just so the board of public works over there. >> That's who I've been talking to. He's in charge. >> Mr. Mr. Watton over there had you know he frequenc park. He plays >> his he coaches baseball and stuff like that. I'm sure he'd be more than happy uh to jump in. We've had a couple
conversations >> why don't you just go do what you did last time. Unfortunately, his hard work went to the wayside because too many hands got in the cookie jar. >> Yep. >> And then I'm the one that read through that and I called him immediately and
say we are not we we are not doing this. Forget about how did this happen? And then he read through it and he's like yeah how did this happen? This isn't what we talked about doing. So, it's it was null and void. It kind of just died off. Um, again, when we talk to people like we're doing right now and we make a
pledge to residents and we say we're going to go do something, we need to fulfill that obligation and go do it. >> And we had that conversation about Toodel Lane. Dan looks bad. We look bad. He did what his thing was and somehow everything just got crossed up. And like
I said, too many hands in the cookie jar. >> Everything got eaten up. The people didn't get what they want. And that's not the way we're supposed to act as representatives of of the town and representatives of our people. So if you want to enter into conversation with the DPW guy again over there,
>> make sure that he can talk to his folks that he's he has the answer to like you're doing with us, Dan. See if that agreement is still approachable. And if it is, we can have Mr. Lamontine reach out to the town administrator just get something in writing saying, "This is what we're doing. This is what we agree
to." After you could talk to your sources, fill in Mr. Lam Montaine. From there, he can just talk to the town administrator. We're not creating an intermittent agreement where they're going to come over here and wash bathtubs for us and we're going to go over there and wash puppies for them. Forget about it. It's just a simple
agreement for one road that we happen to share little pieces of. >> Yeah. >> Period. >> Yep. Is it a co-op with the plowing in the winter as well? >> Well, we pretty much take care of that road. So, we're kind of plowing that haven. We're going down there to get to the end. So, we usually hit it. That's
part of our >> That road's whack, dude. It's a oneway. >> You can't even go down. You can only come up and >> No, no. That's Bernard. That's the one in front. >> Oh, that's just a very narrow road. >> Oh, yeah. That's the one by the nursing home. And the town's the goofy one.
>> But that most of that road is all favored. Odds more than 65%. >> Oh, yeah. I'd say at least that. Yeah. >> But the the line's not down the center. It's not on the edge of the road and it cuts through the middle. >> Yeah, it's kind of cookie at the very end. So again, I mean, they were
definitely getting a better deal of us, you know, >> let's keep it simple. I mean, you brought it up when we talked about this originally. You said they're paying for asphalt. We're going to do the >> That's a big That's a bigger cost. I mean, it really is. >> Yeah. I mean, pretty valuable, too. But I mean, it's not it's not at least
coming out of the tax dollars either way. >> It's a no-brainer. It's not that complicated. >> Okay. Thank you. >> It seems to be seems >> it's not. So again, so >> it's going to benefit both towns. >> It got conversations for no reason is
what happened. >> What is what that's called is building relationships, right? And that's what we need to do. >> We need to keep that dialogue open with as many municipalities as we can. We do kind of do it with um where I am with
Dan's brothers, a director. they've come here and done work for us because they have specialized equipment that we don't have and they'll bring their people in help us do certain things and then they need something paved whether it be a municipal parking lot whatever it may be we'll send our crews over there and say
you can go over there and spend and Dan keeps track hey he gave me two days I'm going to go give him two days blah blah blah blah blah and that's what we do because we have a paving machine they don't and that's how we do things and that's how we get things done you know it's it's the old fashioned way of boing Mhm.
>> Plain and simple. >> So Dan, can you please do that? Gentlemen, >> to that. And then I get >> We're what we're going to do here, Dan. I I don't want to be dumb with the number that we put in >> cuz I know that we were already getting 315 in chapter 90. Now we got that fair
share thing that we get a couple hundred grand. So we're up to like 520. Y >> I would I would just to be safe in the biz like just throw a 450 number a year >> and ain't going to hurt >> stay below the threshold because if you know we get chopped off at the knees for
some reason. >> So you can get away from what I was told is >> you don't want to put that number too high and not fulfill that obligation because then you have problems. >> But can you go over that number? >> Yeah, >> go over it cuz even this one's 566 to do
that too. It's probably be more like six at least, you know. >> Well, we we sometimes that's a little sketchy too cuz they Well, if it was bigger, I would have bid it, you know. So, that could >> do it on an asking. >> Yeah. So, what we do is you just put a a minimum amount expent every year, 450.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And we'll only do a threeear. So, if anything, if we get kneecap, we have funds. We we'll be safe. >> Fair enough. We'll do like a three-year deal and we don't only have to do this every three
years instead of every time we want to do a different road. >> We still have to get pre-qualified and everything. >> We still have to get pre-qualified through Masdot and all go through all that list. >> Like most of the companies all already >> Yeah. Because they have to be on that list.
>> Yep. Which they are. Everyone Ke and all the big guys are on that list anyway. So >> you we we've been doing this for a long time. Dan knows what he's doing when it comes to that list. >> Right, Dan? >> We're not taking anybody off the list that ain't on the list for chapter 90
reimbursement. Dan's on the list of >> like we have a list of approved vendors, right? >> Correct. >> In the town to be able to do work in the town. Same thing with NASCAR. >> So, we'll put is the board okay with moving forward? I know we have to put
this out the bid, but we ain't going to do it by street. We're going to put it out as a blanket bid. Yeah. >> So, is the board okay with >> um approving Morning Side and Hamlin Street? >> I motion to approve. >> Second. >> All those in favor?
>> So, Dan, we ain't get a hold of you to the numbers as Dan um alluded to earlier. He used last year's numbers. Some of them are up a little bit higher. So, these numbers could fluctuate, you know, 20 30 grand depending on where costs are right now. >> Um but he he he did cost estimates based
on what we went out last year and did. So again, if it was $108 a ton, it could be $115 a ton. It'll impact this number. It could sway because of the linear footage, 2030 grand. So it's this is not etched in stone. We're going to do the he'll come back in with the the bids for
us of review after we're done with Mr. Lonte looking at everything to put this thing out to bid. But these will be the two roads that we try to get done. I want to I'd like to have pave done before November 1st, this road and Morningside. And then you and I will
work over the next week or two look at that middle road and that trench and you know milling and then structures. We'll count all this a lot of structures that need to be fixed. >> It's it's it's bad. >> No, it's just I' I've heard from people that ride bicycles, people that walk.
>> Yeah. >> It's a hazard, man. We we >> Yeah. >> You know, we've been doing a good job. I'll say this. We've been doing a good job the last several years. The problem is the job hasn't to because the funding wasn't there, right? It was a little bit of money. We didn't have enough money to
go bang things out the way we're banging things out now and getting this the the linear footage that we're accomplishing now is much better than what it was in the past. That's where I'll leave it. >> But right, we got to we got to we made a pledge to these two roads. We got to get
this done. >> And I'll inform the board. I'll get in touch with behavior in the meantime, too. and we'll try to get a meeting set up as that as well. >> Cool. >> You go do what you need to do with Faven like you did last time and unfortunately it got kind of >> kicked out from underneath of you. Um
but we'll figure it out now. >> All right. >> And we you know, Mr. Lontane, he he definitely has a relationship with um FA and TA. So once you get done doing your conversation, you just let him know what you you're going to need for whatever kind of liability paperwork, if there's
any at all. Well, if not, it's just a document that we need to sign. Send it in. >> Okay, >> we'll get it done. >> Very good. >> All right. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Hey, Dian. >> Yes. >> So, this is chapter 90 money, but we have $150,000 EMR for Senator Matig's
office for Hland Street, too. Keep that in mind. >> Okay. >> Okay, bud. >> Very good. All right. Thank you, sir. So we do have a couple executive sessions. Um reason for convening executive
session general laws chapter 38 section 21A purpose 3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining and lit litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares school unions
m-25-11287-11291 and 11435-11439 is there a motion So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Roll call vote. Mr. Inkley. >> Yes. >> Mr. Rosendes. >> Yes. >> And I am a yes. And we have a second uh
executive session national law chapter 38 section 21A purposef to discuss strategy respect to collective bargaining and litigation of no mean. We have a detrimental effect on the bargaining and litigated position of the public body. And the chair so declares as local 851. The board will not return
to public session at the conclusion of executive session. Is there a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor. >> Roll call vote. Mr. Inkley. Yes. Roll call vote. Mr. Roseni. >> Yes. >> And I am a yes. We are now in executive session.
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