[Music] okay the public hearing is now called to order this hearing is being held as required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 of the general laws of the Commonwealth and act relative to the
protection of the wetlands as mostly recently amended notice of of the time and place of this hearing was published in the faen neighborhood news on March 6 2025 it was also posted in the town's clerk office this meeting is being audio
and videotaped persons which should be heard will be called in the following order motion to open the public meeting motion to open the public meeting second all those in favor I okay minutes for
approval uh May 2nd 2024 June 12th 2024 reviews of matters presented votes may be taken I know that I went over them I thought they were very good yeah um so anyone else has any comments or are we
good nice job Joanne thank you just that I was absent from the main meeting yep okay so let's go over to meeting mail I need a motion to okay make okay I'd like to entertain
a motion for the minut approv so move okay second second all those in favor okay do I got to do a motion to open the meeting no you're going to read the plan and board okay so letter us send to the
plan board and copy to the agent Milton and chairman Susa regarding the Middle Road solar PV development located at 211 uh Middle Road review of a matters presented votes may be taken so we have a letter that was sent to me Mark and
also um M Francois uh I'll read it out now uh dear chairman franois I purchased my home at 11 Mary Drive in August of 2022 I was in part attracted to the
location due to the proximity to wh's farm field which abuts the rear yard of my property after several years of enjoying enjoying the view of the field and observing various Wildlife that live in the area I hope you can understand my shock and disappointment to learn of the
proposal to develop the entire field as a solar farm I have reviewed the project plans and can see that significant work is proposed directly behind my house with respect to grading drainage selles uh four Bays rip wrap sells and Earth
and burms I have read the town solar bylaw and see that there is a Prohibition on large scale solar installations within 100t 150 ft of my property and 300 feet from Mary Drive I must insist that the planning board
enforced the recently adopted bylaw in all respects for the protection of the Abus to the proposed Commercial Energy facility there should be no construction associated with this project within the stipulated setbacks whatever is required to be constructed to facilitate the
approval of the project I consider part of its installation your attention to my concern is greatly appreciated sincerely Maria valador so with that being said Do we have any comments or anything from the
commission I mean it doesn't really fall under our purview so correct I mean hopefully the planning board is you know on board and I kind of agree you know and and like we always say you know we don't believe in the Solar Farms it's not our
property there really ain't much we can do the only we need to do is hopefully peer review reviews it real well and make sure it goes the way it's supposed to hopefully they minimize you know the impact of anybody who lives there exactly right and the laws of the laws and there were setbacks and in these
guidin but again you know to as far as enforcement that's so yeah so all we can do is hopefully it goes the way it's supposed to all right old business I'd like to entertain a motion to continue the public hearing of
uh Lake Street and efford Reservoir Lakes 1 two and four map 3 lot 13 map 4 lot 49 and map 19 lot 32 SE e001 [Music] 0595 can I get a motion motion second
all those in favor I a notice of intent was filed by James Kelly town of lush for the property located at the new Beford Reservoir Lakes 1 2 and 4 the application proposed the removal and of invasive weeds from areas of the new Beford Reservoir Lakes 1 2 and 4 located
in a cushion using in Eco Harvester the app the applicant is represented by Scott daget Lake Street Improvement committee review of matters presented votes may be taken due to the Mullen rules Rebecca and Nelson will not be
eligible to vote Scott it's all yours thank you um so my name is Scott dag as you all know um part of the Lake Street Improvement committee along with uh sergeant Gary COA and uh jamus gash who
uh neither one of them could be here today so what we're doing now is we're just continuing going on with this process um the last meeting I think we left off where uh we had discussed that an order of conditions would be drafted
um I have had the opportunity to briefly go over uh the draft of the order of conditions um pretty much what I expected uh I may have one or two questions regarding it and of course I'm going to share this
with uh the people that's seeing the underwater uh get their take on it uh because they're much more experienced with their operations than I am uh so anything that's in this draft um that's related to their activities you know
I'll have him go over it and if he has any suggestions or comments uh I'll have them forwarded to me and then I will either forward them to uh Mark the agent or uh any of you on the uh on the committee uh as well as I
will share it with the Conservation Commission of the city of New Bedford uh since they're the owners of the pond uh we want to keep everything transparent in the bo board and keep both communities in the loop right with that being said SC I have the order of
condition the special conditions right here and what I'm going to do is I'm going to just kind of run down them so we I know the commission I don't believe has had a chance to read these um it'll give them kind of an opportunity to see what they are and we'll go from there okay thank you um okay uh projects must
comply with the general performance standards established for each of applicable resource area and the regulations uh 310 CMR 10.54 10.55 10.56 10.57 unless the
project is limited which I believe this project is so it would be 310 CMR 1053 or 310 CMR 1053 31 a copy of the order of conditions number one a copy of the order conditions in the general operation plan
shall be on the site during weed removal operations at all times no work may occur uh may occur between April 1st to June 15th in order to avoid minimizing the uh project impact of spawning River Herring American eel presence in the
lake time of year condition for the DMF and that will be including all three years of the permit the application to provide the Comm commission and its agent with notice the prior to beginning work on site number four prior to beginning removal operation the the
applicant shall provide the conserv commission and the agent with the overall operational details of the project including the proposed Tim tables of for work the location of staging Ed staging areas for the project the points of access to site access for
Eco Hara and any necessary erosion control measures that need to be implemented to prevent uh sultation resulting from the work entering the adjacent wall Waters in the event of bank is Disturbed prior to number five prior to
we removal operation general areas of the target species for controlled areas of non-target species shall be identified and indicated on a map of appropriated scale the applicant shall take all feil measures to avoid impacts
to non-target species number six provide to the start of weed removal operation the applicant shall identify the on-site location they will be used to for the dewatering and handle of the aqua vegetation removal and provide this
information to the commission and its agent and this is including all hay bills Waddles in place before any operations number seven the application and all the operators should record the general location in the appropriate
approximate amount of adequate V vegetation removed to assist in project evaluation monitor number eight the application should record and monitor any area of bank or other aent uh resources area disturbing
Disturbed during week removal operation the information should be read what weed weed weed oh it says weed online yeah all right the information be delocated um and indicated in a final
annual project summary to facilitate Mar monitoring potential Pioneer in infraction and of non-navigable invasive species not native okay number nine the applicant
and any person involved with the work subject to the O shall notify the commission or its agent immediately upon discover any matter related to this OCC that may affect any area with the jurisdiction of the commission the equipment operation number 10 the
equipment oper shall be prepared to respond immediately to any accidental releas release of fuels motor oil lubricating oil or any other potential contaminants number 11 a spill kit shall be presented on site at all times during
operate operation on site absorbent materials shall be maintained for use in containing accidental spills number 12 in the event that any spills occur the the issue Authority shall be immediately no not ified in contaminated areas shall
be treated according to guidelines established by the D's Bureau of waste site Cleaner bwsc number 13 the applicant should provide the commission with agent with a general description of the Shor side dewatering process and the materials that will be used including
Shor Side location a general description of the process the approximate amount of time of vegetation needs to dewater prior to transport any necessary containment measures that will be employed in the materials needed such as ground tops staks whatever it needs 14
containment made measures shall be implemented to prevent the disturbance of adequate Invasion vegetation during the onshore dewatering process potential measures include steak tops development of
temporary containment barriers such as straw Waters number 15 the applicant shall coordinate with the aush Department of Public Works DPW for the transportation of adequate vegetation removed during the project number 16
during Transportation the vegetate the removed vegetation shall be securely contained within the vehicle bed using a top or other me method to prevent intent dis dispersal of invasive adequate
vegetation what aquatic aquatic aquatic vegetation to other water bodies within the town number 17 the removed vegetation should be sequestered yeah from the other on-site materials and is
mulched for a minimum of one year to ensure the invasive vegetation is not intently spread through the disp dispersal of VI viable fragments number 18 the application in collaboration with
the D the the commission and the agent should be prepared to consider other disposal methods such as incineration as necessary number 819 the applicant shall coordinate with the commission and the agent and any other part parties to
develop Outreach materials to educate the public about the problem of invasive aquatic species and measure to prevent its spread we're almost done there number 20 the app shall coordinate
with the commission and agent and other parties to develop signage for posting on site to educate the public about the issue of invasive aquatic vegetation 21 the applant in coordination with the Commission in the town of aush should
develop a roll out strategy to highlight the project and its goals local media should be notified in the towns official indent identified to speak to these Outlets in order to promote the work in the importance importance of the
conservation 22 the applicant shall provide a brief written summary summary of the overall weave removal activities within 30 days of the completion of work number 23 the applicant in in collaboration with the commission and
the agent as well as other interest parties such as the Lake Street committee should meet sometime in the fall to review the project Pro and any challenges encountered as well well as potential opportunities to enhance the
Improvement improve future weave removal operations number 24 the applicant in collaboration with the Conservation Commission conservation agent members member members of the Lake Street Improvement committee Town officials and other interested parties should meet to
discuss the development of a long-term management strategy for the overall ecological health and affected water bodies to ensure maintenance of recreational opportunities for the [Music]
public that's what we got [Music] folks these are all the add-ons you want to put on there that we want these are special conditions correct so some of these are already on
a regular and like you got 10 and 11 there the same same thing pretty much build yeah a lot of this is right out of the boiler off a boiler platform and
then we added some of our own so we went through the Mark went through the book picked out ones that we thought were the like the most important and then some of the ones that we added and and let me just clarify so these are just draft so if you have
comments I know we reached out to commission members for input so these are just the draft I believe Scott I well I know Scott just saw these as well so um you know Eric whatever you know yeah let me let me know I'm just um we
also um in the Bedford agent uh we spoke briefly but I don't know if there's any comments we after after Scott speaks I'd be happy to oh thank you so I I understand what what Eric's getting at uh as I reviewed some of this I I I
believe some of these could be combined because they are very similar in description yeah uh so you know to make it maybe a little bit more simplified uh you know uh based on what Eric had mentioned you know some of these can probably be condensed and combined uh
you know I understand how this was developed uh because I did review some of the uh uh you know the DMF letter and and some of the other documents so you know I I understand you know where they were pulled from and so forth I split a bunch of them out just for keys of
looking at them now but I I agree some of these are kind of the same thing so delete them combine them just to ensure just to ensure it's just written down yeah I don't I don't think it's it's easier to delete stuff than add it
fact as we all know this is just a draft something we can all kind of sit down together with and and give it that final tweet before we make this final decision I I think the board and and the public understands that that this is just a a rough draft
this is not anything final so since this is a rough draft uh you know I I I I might suggest that like comment number three you know the applicant shall provide the commission and its agent with notice prior to the beginning of work on site if it might be a good idea
to uh you know give some kind of a time frame you know whether you want like a week's notice or 2 weeks notice or 24 48 hour notice you know that that way you know I I plan on addressing the majority of these that are not going to
be related to CN D underwater uh so you know when when it's mentioned that the applicant which I am representing um you know I will go ahead and you know manage the majority of this uh but you know just to give me a good idea of what you expect for for you know time frames when
you want these notices uh it might you know it might be a good idea to mention it within the order of conditions so that no guessing you know yeah there's no guess work involved if I you know if we're going to start work
say August 14th and I come to you guys on August 12th and say Hey you know we're going to be out there tomorrow doing this that may not be enough notice because you know some of you have expressed interest in wanting to be out there when you know day one happens
I know I'm going to be out there when day one happens yeah I mean I've been at this since 2017 trying to get these ponds cleaned up so to me it's you know it's getting to almost a personal level you know I want to see these ponds cleaned
up so I think we all do day one I'll be out there uh you know call in sick day and say Hey you know this is so what if we do that right so we have uh our next me meetings April 9th what if we do a special meeting just for Lake Street yeah this way here cuz I know that my
April 9th is really loaded um I mean if we look at the calendar right if we give you a couple weeks chance we still want to listen to you though I'm just trying to figure out I mean if we say let's do a special meeting for Lake Street on say March 26 do you think that two weeks is
enough to get a hold of the Eco Harvester guy to go review this with him um M can tweak this up a little bit and if we just do it for Lake Street it should be a quick In-N-Out kind of meeting and we don't my April 9th is
loaded yeah because you know in in in some conversations with Mark uh you know he had mentioned that there would be a 21-day period where we could review it you know make it make adjustments to it if necessary but what I want to do is if I can get a pretty decent draft and get
a draft over to Jeff over at CN and have him read it you know before this upcoming meeting you know then we can kind of eliminate that 21 day you know well that's what you want to do because if you're going to use that 21 days we can't close it right right and I want to
close us so do I you know and get it behind us and that's why I'm saying if we can if I mean I got to talk to the commission too how does everyone feel about throwing this on March 26th in two weeks a Wednesday night we'll do a special meeting for um Lake
[Music] Street and first off I wanted I had a couple other questions questions I wanted to ask for now so you might need some time to go over that before we go and make another meeting and we still haven't even I know I said we're going to talk to chance right after I just
want to make sure everyone's okay with March 26 we can still ask more questions I just want you to think about that date yeah like like I'm trying to say is I don't he might need more time to go ahead
so I think March 26 would be fine as long as there are no other surprises that pop up that you know are going to need to be addressed well that's like what I one of them did you ever do any research on how to deal with the baiva habitat I did I did matter of
fact so what I did was I contacted let's see my notes Here I contacted uh the southeast district office over in Buzzard's Bay for I believe it was Mass wildlife uh spoke to
uh spoke to a person by the name of Deborah Sylvia or excuse me Silva she's the off office administrator uh Mr Steven Wright is the uh the biologist for the southeast Mass District um I explained to them what we
were doing uh I explained to them some of the problems that we have uh what we believe to be as a beaver habitat because none of us a biologist don't really know what a beaver habitat looks like uh they said that they would be more than willing to come out take a
look see if it is a beaver habitat but there's no state [Music] regulatory rules regulations concerning protection particular for that so what
they said so what they explained to me was if it were in a body of water in which a beaver dam or a beaver habitat was creating flooding issues absolutely no problem in moving it uh in this case
where it's in the middle of a pond it's not really creating any kind of flooding issues but it is creating issues uh I explained to them that what it's doing is when the biomass starts to die off and the winds blow it like I had mentioned to Mark um
it's blowing it to the rear of the pond and if you were to go out there in a boat and take a look you will see that if this were the biomass or if this were the beaver Hab habitat as it exists which uh comes up to the surface of the water this biomass is getting pushed and
it's almost in a horseshoe shape and it's getting larger so what it did was it took that Beaver habitat and almost doubled it in size uh this is what we're trying to eliminate in the small pond uh these areas of biomass are just you know popping up within the
last I'd say within the last 18 months to to 24 months uh the one that's over by I think it's your property wasn't there uh the one that's out in the back that's over by the where we believe this Beaver habitat
is uh up until about 18 months ago it wasn't there so just so the commission knows the beava is actually out of our jurisdiction that is the Board of Health oh yes for an emergency did you just did a class on this what did you pick up any useful
information from there yeah I mean if it is causing concern then I mean that is I mean even if there even if there's one in there I don't know if you know if it's active or not so they told me that if concern right yeah I
believe so wouldn't be causing any problems it's a natural habitat so I was told that if there is a beaver that's in there and and and I was also told that sometimes beavers and muskrats will share the same Den if there is a beaver and it's in
that habitat if you destroy the habitat the beaver will just move on somewhere else go so the habitat itself is not protected the beaver is not a protected species in the state of Massachusetts so destroying the habitat as long as you're not killing the animal itself is
perfectly fine so you're telling me it would be okay for me to go to your house rip down your house and just let you go to wherever you want and I'm I'm sorry they not prot it's not extreme that's it's it's
not a protected spe I I would believe it how wouldn't it be under conservation because the animal itself and stuff is the Border house we looked into it and it's not out of our jurisdiction Beaver is not in our jurisdiction it's the Board of Health anything to do with the beaver Scott
should actually if he comes across it he has to go to the Board of Health with it am I correct by saying that mik I what I was going to add based on my research so if there's an emergency caused by the dam the Board of Health in
various towns can issue a permit it's good for 10 days there's also a trapping season uh if you want to remove the individual animal but it's got to be done I Believe by a certified Trapper just license yeah thank you
license so then the point of removing the lodge itself um yeah I think you know I I I think it's where better off um just I guess destroying the habitat
instead of trapping it cuz I mean I guess with trapping it has no way of life after I'm notating you on the other hand though now if we take it out of its natural home it's going to relocate who's to say it's not going to relocate
in an area where it's going to cause a problem when it's not causing a problem right now is it no it's not well it's okay I want to keep this a little organized guys I really do all right so we just all everyone's down to talk here um if you don't mind you got a question
or you want to ask them please let me know go through just so we just keep this to a bare minimum here um continue Eric yeah so I just um I I don't know I'm just like I just don't want to create more problem is where I'm getting at with my concern like if we just take
it out and just let it go and you know who's to say is not going to go and there's also areas where the water comes into the ponds there who's saying it's not going to go into that flowing area where that is I just it's not causing a problem in my eyes it's yeah but so when
we Scott on it Mar on it we've all looked into this research right so we have the right to take his D down it has the right to go swim away if Fs in there find a new home or build a new home it might cause future problems down the line but right now it's going to solve
the problem of being where it is can we fig out there or not well so so if I may to to address your question so I was it was recommended to me for me to reach out to the biologist Mr Steven
Wright uh April and May see if we can schedule you know a site visit with him so that he can come and take a look determine if there is a beaver there because I did see one Beaver it was deceased on the side of the road during
a spring cleanup a couple years ago um he can come out he can take a look he can see if there is active there's an active Beaver there which you know regardless if there is or if there isn't we still have the right to take it down
if we need if if we were to take it down like Mr dear said you know the beaver will move on will he move on to the other Pond likely but the other Pond is much larger so it's not going to create too much of an issue if if he decides to create a little habitat there I thought
we were trying to clean all the pond we are trying to clean the ponds we Bas of weeds okay so then he's going to so he's going to move to another one and then we're going to have to kick him out of there too no no if if it's if it's a larger Pawn it's less of an issue Mr chairman for me do you deem do
you deem that it's absolutely necessary at this point for the work that's going to commence is is it going to be in my opinion I think in my opinion I think it would be because what it's doing is it's taking the D the
biomass that's in that and it's doubling it up I mean if it's going to two three years from now it might even be three times larger and then you know we're going to spend more money removing it as opposed to spending a little bit of money now and taking care of it before it gets out of
control so so the Little Pond is to me the Little Pond is the one that's critical because the biomass it's a smaller pond it's not nearly as deep there's areas there that are 6t deep but there's also areas there that are 3 ft deep so as these weeds die they're just
piling on top of each other and season after season you're getting that biomass that you can see you know in her backyard you know as you're going up Lake Street towards uh towards Main Street you look on the left you can you
can see it it's there and then there's another smaller one that's forming to the left of that if you left it alone eventually it's going to look like Tom Davis Pond and that's what we don't want Tom Davis Pond is the way it is because
of the way that the biomass cycle is going on growing dying piling up growing dying piling up we're just trying to eliminate it before it gets out of hand and it's almost at that point and if we listen to Chance sure
yes one go all right I just on the whole beaver thing I don't know I haven't read this all it sounds like you're asking if beavers live in land that manages by a Conservation Commission beavers typically live in Wetlands areas like Rivers streams and
ponds sometimes these areas can be parts of conservation efforts managed by committees and organizations that aim to protect and preserve natural habitats conservation commissions committees often work and maintain and restore
habitats that are current what's that word cruel for wildlife including beavers they might Implement measures to ensure that beavers have a healthy environment to live in which can
include protecting water quality preserving wetlands and managing forests so yes beavers can live in areas that are under the management of conservation commissions especially if
these areas are designed to protect natural habitat so speak so so from what I've read Eric and I think what you're you're saying is right you find beavers in wetlands and streams ponds Lakes when
you're the authority in the towns to deal with dams rest with the Board of Health and and I can send you the citation of the RS I understand the permit section lands with the Board of Health but us as a Conservation
Commission we're supposed to be protecting the wetlands and we're supposed to be protecting the animals that live in the wetlands and their habitats so a beaver lives in the wetlands it's part of the habitat so I
just don't feel how it should be no concern to us so yes I feel the beaver should be a concern to us I'm not saying that it shouldn't and I also think that it should be a concern to us that it's located in an area where it's going to
benefit the beaver and not just let's rip his house down and let him go where he goes you know I mean can I speak go righte I get what he's saying but unfortunately they're just not protected so I guess they're supposed to be
protected I know but under right there just not so there's under the rules do he has the right to take the dent out okay so all right I'm just I'm not saying that he doesn't have the right yeah know but I'm saying like it says here we have the right to make sure it's
done in the correct manner well we're not going in there with machine gun an excavator yeah there well there is an excavator going in and that's how you would destroy the beava dam how else you're going to destroy the beava dam that's right so we are taking
he is going to take the dam up I just and how what would be the time frame for this um what is it Stephen White you said yeah stepen Wright so right or white right w r i g HD all right what
would be his time frame to come out and even look at it I I have to call I was told to call you know in April or May I'd rather call early April I'd rather get in touch with him earlier than later and you know see what He suggests uh
whether he wants to do a site visit or whether he would just say well I'm not going to you know answer for him but you know whatever He suggests we'll do that's four months prior to the work so that gives us plenty of time to get in there and him to check it out and if you want if you
want a contact number I'm more than willing to share a contact number and you can call yourselves and get the information for yourself okay I mean I know you're relying on me to present information to you uh but if you want to
take it upon yourselves to reach out speak to the biologist yourself I I just rely on you to give me what you're trying to present to me and I can use my better judgment to research and make sure everything is correct right and
that it does not point an issue to the habitat or the yeah to the habitat pretty much and all different aspect in areas right understand a chance comes up yes sure
everyone if if everyone's all set come on folks um my name is Chance burs for the record um new conservation agent I was asked uh by both the commission and um the applicate to come tonight and just kind of give perspective um I don't
want to speak openly I'd like to address questions um to keep both my opinion out of the the subject but also to help for some clarity into this for you so I'm not going to come up here and speak on behalf as though I'm with the applicant or with the commission if you folks have specific questions I'd like to answer
them as best as I can um I can at least start with the general statement of I think your uh draft um special conditions are are very thorough um a lot of them like you said are boilerplate um we knew better do the same thing um as an agent I can first
say and then we're going to you know hopefully take specific questions if you have them as an agent I find that it's a difficult job and when you have thorough conditions like this it gives you the
leverage to use them when and if they're needed but them being there for for their sake isn't going to hurt anything because at the end of the day enforcement comes down to when the agent works with the applicant and so I'm always in the fan of put it in there if you want to require him to have purple
shoes put it in there Mark can then determine and use his discretion based on the powers that you uh bestow on him to then go are you wearing any purple shoes today or not or it's not going to look at that today but should things go Ary you can then use it hey we ask you for the purple shoes and of course I'm
using it as a metaphor but it it doesn't hurt like I see this and I go I would use this because it gives Mark the latitude to use and and draw upon these things but by them being in there it doesn't necessarily hold the into it cuz
you folks have the discretion latitude to go you know you've gone a in this one area and we're going to now fall back on this which now has the Le legal teeth for you folks to pursue time of year restrictions all these things you put in here you know some of these are pretty specific and are pretty binding for the
applicant um but again you folks hold a Latitude when it comes time for the certificate of compliance you folks and the the way the ACT is written to my interpretation um you're able to um interpret the situation as EV unfolds and the end so I'm I've always been in
favor um as an agent you want to give them as many of the tools as you can and having robust um uh special conditions is uh more helpful but on the flip side of that you also have to understand the reality of for Mark to enforce every
single one of these and stay on top of every one of these in addition to all the other applications he has to review and P it's it's a Yan's task it's quite large so like have them in there but also um know when to push and when to kind of step back and having trust in
the agent that's the one thing I can say about that so um in specifics um I think special condition number two 4 6 15 19 20 21 and 24 are excellent uh those are
the ones that I was going to recommend had he not um so um you folks uh have put together a packet that that that I would have if I was in issues and in your shoes um everything else is great as well with those I point out I can repeat that if you'd like um but that's
that's in essence when um I was contacted it was uh about what kind of special conditions could we and should we put on this those are the ones that I would put on there everything else is just gravy so with that being said if do folks have any [Music]
questions any questions I know I'm going to keep going back to this beaver thing cuz I just the guy of like just obsessing of things but um now even though it's not under JIS stions could this could the beava
anything to do with the baiva be put into a special order of conditions or would that be outside the jurisdiction I believe it's outside of the jurisdiction um I can speak more to that but it's going to drift more into my opinion and not the fact of being an agent um so to
answer your question um I believe that's outside of your jurisdiction thank you sure and uh chance what do you think about number three we should put a timeline on number three yeah again this is all a few folks I mean I we can go through this yeah um
uh because of the delay of the land two to 3 weeks notice is is um is good you know people take vacations people are in and out people get sick having two to three weeks of of lead time allows the um applicant and the agent to get together and talk things out any last minute things that you folks want to
think about cuz things are changing right nature changes um you folks having the ability to have enough time to um organize yourself get on site make sure you know your other plans are set in place but it's also not too far out where it's kind of this you know linger you know you know nebulous date we we
have it nailed down two weeks this is where we're going to meet in time um that's that's pretty standard that's what I would go with um you can go shorter I mean as an agent we often times you know um in trying to serve the public we're with with try to be responsive so even the day of I'll get stuff but um we ask you know two weeks
would be would be great any questions from the commission okay with that being said anybody from the public jimy oh anyone from the public have any questions on Lake Street I'd like to Mr V uh how do
you feel about being able to make sure that these conditions and special conditions are met to with the short time frame you spent here in town already um you think it's going to be more of a burden on you to try to make
sure 20 well for special conditions I understand it's a good uh good Mana to go at but I also worry about you only having the time frame you have and a chance also mention just the
having to deal with all the applicants and all that I don't want to see you not true so the other thing is just so you know I am retired Chris is retired Christian's retired I think that we could give M some relief if we go there
if Christian goes there if we can divide it up between the three of us maybe the first day all three of us go there so we get our hands you know our knives on the very first day it's working but I feel that between the three of us if we can all join together as a team and go take
separate days and just to make sure everything's going fine I think that it'll take some of the burden off a mark and it'll also give Christian and I the ability to talk to you guys when we see is to say listen you know this is what we're seeing this is how what's going and um I think between the commission
and the agent we can definitely be looking over 90% of these anyways sure so I I'll also add I I mean in this situation Scott has been great to work with I don't feel like
you know I I think feel like it's a collaborative effort um and I'm not so concerned especially there's other eyes that can be on it including yourself Eric I am halftime but I'll tell you um
when I interviewed for the job I said this isn't a halftime job so I'm I'm tracking around 30 hours a week so and I wouldn't do it if I didn't want to you know I'm in retirement and it's you know part of the background
my professional background so I'm having a good time um and but you're right and things get busy but I I think there's between the collaboration and and the commission members I'm not worried about it worried
about other things but not so much this one chairman I'd like that one more word just just my final statement um I listed off those special conditions that I think were excellent um as they all clearly there was thought um put into these um but the last several like the
20 the 19 through 24 notably again 19 2021 I think that um uh good things happen when private citizens step up that's first and foremost um I really think the long-term success of of that Pond's health is going to be
in the public education of the residents specifically folks that are in the wed um and unless we crack that nut um we're going to going to spend more money than anything trying to pull out weeds cuz it's not we're not going to fix the problem and it's um it's attractive when
we see the Eco power start out there it gets people excited um and so using the momentum of that is in my opinion couldn't or shouldn't be an afterthought it should be very much part of the on that first day out make as I mean no say make as big as big of a splash as as you
can um to highlight the great work that a volunteer has done for this but also and the work that you folks are doing um also was volunteers want to you step up um educating folks getting people to take this personally um is what's going to change Behavior you know and we know
we know the causes of non-point uh solution uh pollution so I really think that that's that me coming here tonight after I was was really make the statement of the public education campaign is paranor um and besides that you have a lot of other small details to
work with but I just want to kind of point that out and and really kind of reaffirm that that's that's how we move the needle thank you chance with that being said I'd like to entertain a motion to move this to the 26th of March um Lake Street uh only for
a meeting at 6: p.m. um do I I'll make that motion second second all those in favor I Jo are you going to try to do it here or at we have no choice but to do it here okay so I just got to check with
the chief all right so Scott we're going to plan on the 26 unless something happens with the chief um can't allow it but we'll plan on the 26th of March 6 p.m. and you're going to be the only one here so it should go smooth and relatively easy all right thank you we
if if they don't allow us to do it here we could also do a zoom right um I'm not into the zoom my opion we'll figure it out this the conference room we got the conference room we'll figure it out chance thank you for coming thank
you very much thank you thank you check okay all right continue public hearing uh noi storm water whs Farm Incorporated
211 Middle Road map 23 Lot 29 29a 29b SE 001 0596 I'd like to entertain a motion to continue the public hearing motion to continue the public hearing second all those in favor I
okay storm water applicant was filed by Zachary FS Middle Road aush at solo LLC for property located at 211 Middle Road Maps 23 lcks 29 298 and 29b the applicant proposes to construct a ground mounted Sol solar array on a portion of
the open fi within the property located at 211 Middle Road and the Kush network is limited to the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland and Bank the applicant is represent represented by Sarah Sterns of fields and Thomas Incorporated plan name is
Middle Road PV solar development dated September 10th reviews of matters presented votes may be taken due to the Mullen rule um Rebecca and Nelson will not be eligible to vote um they did put a request in until April 9th so I am
going to entertain a motion to continue this till April 9th motion to continue to April 9th ail all those in favor I I I okay continue public hearing noi Matthew
patello mapisa road map 10 lot 14.14 a 001059 I'd like to entertain a motion to continue the public hearing motion to continue this public hearing second all those in favor alant how are you a notice of
attempt was filed by Matthew Bello for property located at map poisa road map 10 lot 14.14 a the applicant proposes construct a single family house with a septic system roof area infiltration system well Associated gr grading in a
small portion of the paid driveway within the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering veteran Vegeta wetman the applicant is represented by alons Koka of kbm Design Group LLC plan name is proposed single family dwelling site
plan dated December 16 2024 reviews of matters presented votes may be taken um Rebecca cannot vote Nelson can because they did sign the affid regarding the mulling rule alons go right ahead uh good
evening my name is alons Koka with the kbm Design Group um so the project uh is the applicant propos to construct a uh single family house uh on map POA Road uh label as Lot
number two uh the project uh besides the house when to have a septic system for a for a four bedroom a roof recharge system that will fully infiltrate the uh 2year storm event for 3.2 in of rain uh
a driveway to a two-car garage on our last uh hearing on January 15th I believe it was uh the commission raised some uh concerns and comments about the project since then uh we had the project
peer-reviewed with the GF engineering Saed and uh we' made some changes that the commission requested and the peerreview requested first uh we regraded the front of the area of the uh of the site uh to create a little swell
right here that all the runoff from the uh uh the new from the septic area that's going to be elevated and the roadway will run towards the Wetland as it runs today uh we lowered the rear of the site uh but still maintain some
fueld to maintain the uh separation from the recharge system to the groundwater uh we added the uh the demarcation fence a real a split rail fence uh from almost from mapa road all the way near to the 50ft buffer zone
uh the uh the driveway I regrade the driveway and then added an infiltration trench on the side with a uh small knee wall uh this way the majority of the driveway will run towards the U infiltration trench that's going to have a 6-in perforator pipe that will run
towards the infiltration system and fully be recharged for a 2-year storm event any storm events larger than 2E than 3.2 in will be uh over there will overflow on the top of the pipe and then discharge and this corner right here
with the flaring section and R and then go towards the wetlands where most of the water goes um besides that uh and also like with the regrading of the front area we're able to uh pull the tree clearing closer to the site and
maintain a little bit more uh of the existing vegetation there uh the approximate fill based on my calculations a net fill it's about 8 80 cubic yard for this site how much 880
88 almost 900 yeah yard and again uh the high groundw uh requires us to lift the S side so the foundation is done the water table uh the septic needs to for fill separation and the recharge system anything less than a 10 years stor event
is two F separation that's why so just everyone knows today I took an I actually called alant and him and I um we went right down the list of the PE uh I went right over the plans with him he's got it all into details on sheet three of everything that um Bill Madden
was looking for GF was looking for um he crossed all his eyes uh he thoughted all his eyes crossed his te's right down to all 11 of them I don't know if you guys have this if you do um I'm not going to go over and read it all I don't think we
need to but everything that was GF recommended they did and they addressed every single one without an issue oh may I chairman go right ahead I did uh I don't take nothing but I I
appreciate all the changes that you've made to the site and uh all the concerns that would bring up this but I I think one of our main concerns all of our main concerns was that being the pond being too close so that would have landed
under delineation did they uh did they do any soil samples or anything like that type of deal to make sure that that was all landed in the correct manner you know that that's what I thought was going to be going on here
not just the site not just the paperwork being uh looked into but I I feel like there was more great concern between all of us about uh the setbacks and uh off off the weapon well AF review
it at all I don't believe they sent out another bot this to go delineate it again but I don't think Bill had any is issues with the delineation line he went right by the plan and went over everything that he thought was an issue we also supported the deliniation
paperwork of the Bist from uh I think Outback engineering that did the flagging we provideed that with the noi and also to uh to GF for review okay so and on yeah but they didn't go out and look to make sure
it was correct no GF went all by the plans so if you're saying that you think that the first bought this was a liar or didn't it do it correct no do correctly first off do it correctly real quick
nobody's a liar okay so botanist there's to in the botanist there's a lot of interpretation involved I I know if you're aware but some botanists will feel strongly P one thing than another and there's a lot of difference like if you look at other projects we've had
that we've had peer review go out to and other botanists go out to specifically solar Farms that I'm speaking of right now the lines were drastically different right because every person has a different interpretation of where that
imaginary line should be um and I just thought it wasn't just me but all of us saw that and we like whoa wait a second and then the laws really stated about the setbacks really being
determined on what that was really going to affect it was it going to affect the neighbors so um and even with the change that we did on paper so now 310 CMR states that we have to uh push the water back into the Wetland
like we are but now would definitely going to be put more water in that area and I'm just with I don't want to see it impact I don't think we push more water recharge I I don't agree back St okay so you're going to catch all the water between infiltration and
the you know the recharge I I don't think we're going to be adding more of course you are cuz now you're taking impervious surface and you're changing it so now you got a roof and you're capturing everything off the roof and it's going into a pipe which is getting recharged into into the system all that
water that comes down into the ground originally unless it was a storm water plant now if it was a storm water plant then it would calculate for the runoff that was differed from the site PL so I
I have a lot of faith in GF he did all the calculations for the water he checked all the recharge system he's gone over all everything we did provide the calculation for recharge system it wasn't just a arbitrary uh system we
provide a calculation for 3.2 in 2 year a 2 year storm event and again and we went by the RS rate for infiltration rate which is very conservative correct so it's not a we didn't do a fullen head test that we got actual infiltration rate and use that
one the rolls rate is a very conservative number yeah for understand and I also am in the business and I understand that everything looks good on paper and then you go to do it and it turns out and the system is very simple there's nothing complicated it's all
gravity so uh it's roof uh all the roof reach uh R the roof leaders will be underground piped to the system we have plan of elevation to make it from the front to the rear and the driveway is just a simple so how many how many gallons does it hold uh I don't have
numbers forun of me but again we ran the hydrocal calculations that I provided to a GF I don't have in front of me how many cubic yards uh the system holds but again it holds and recharge at the same time any storms over uh 3.2 in will be uh will overflow
right trickle to the to the back it will trickle yeah it will trickle to the back to the W into the Wetland to the wetlands so there was no additional water going to the pond for any you know it has to be a very large uh storm then yeah
I was just like I was stting I was just still concerned that it [Music] was it was even uh there was enough room there in between I think the additional grading is going to be very helpful as
well correct from the original plans they change it correct and then nothing is going to the street again it's being captured to you add the KN the knee wall so the protect right and just so everyone knows this 119 that he changed
on this plan improve but we he is mighty close to that neighbor and I I just I just don't want to see a future a future [Music] issue you know a lot of these projects that's what happen just had one question
did did we um by chance look at this uh elevation wise to compare this to that neighbor that's right adjacent to the right of that property correct so what's the El Elation for the proposed uh 900 cubic yards
or uh for elevation versus the home that's right there to the right and and why I ask that question is my concern about again flooding great did we look at that as as a plane so the
uh the house to the South plan South the existing house there 231 the finished grade at the U uh basement the foundation is uh 51 and then at the top of the uh of the septic
system we're at 55 MH but we're about 70 ft away so we have so we have a 51 versus the foundation that's over here 21 right 55 5 55 and 51 55 the top of the sep top of the septic is 55 but as
we go towards the driveway we go there uh we go down to 54 and then the knee wall drops down to 51 at level right so we don't have any slopes towards the just KNE wall and the KNE wall is about 6 in higher than the
uh infiltration trench okay that's what I Wasing I was going to hear from you is the knee wall doesn't allow any steep run off towards the is correct thank you that answered my
question so anyone else from the commission anyone from the [Music] public okay with that being said I'm going to entertain a motion for the noi on M order of conditions uh order of
conditions do I have that one I don't I don't have that first you need to close the public he if you're going to vote you're going to vote tonight y okay so you're going to close the
motion to close the public hearing close second second all those in favor I all right the order of the conditions are do you have I don't have them so he's
[Music] make so you got to make a motion to accept that conditions the order of conditions right but he wants we're going to read off easy over there guys excuse me you want take Pi these These are special orders
and conditions these are the order conditions of the project right I I know are you adding some to the normal those are added in already from a vote the commission took a long time ago but I think we should be saying every time the applicants una aware of what's
actually in okay General conditions of the Massachusetts Wetland just number what 19 Jim yep all the rest is standard what is these are what the commission added in
what try agent for every project for every project 19 yes 19 just the beginning yeah so just s stats where it says special conditions erosion control inspection on okay right here special conditions AOS and control inspection
onsite meeting with contractor within 5 days prior to construction site visit from agent at end of construction no stockpiling of materials no equipment stored no refueling no portable toilets or washel from concrete in the buffer
zone with that being said I'd like to entertain a motion can I see that real [Music] quick it's the one in bold lce there was more of those in there wasn't there no don't WR on that yeah
don't write on [Music] that so we're supposed to be doing this on all of them that has been in to do some work that has been in effect since your prior agent I don't know if it was
before your time but that prior agent when he came aboard he wanted those special conditions on every single order of conditions we haven't been reading them out loud I don't think we've even been enforcing them I think we have I know or not cuz I know
of projects that I've drown by personally that don't have some of that done but we won't get the phone and call out there Tim place for that ER all right with that being said I like to entertain a motion to give him the
noi motion order of conditions with the order of conditions make that motion second all those in favor motion motion to accept the order order conditions on
the okay so that would be you're putting in a motion to to accept the project yes okay all those in favor again obain I Rebecca what were you I'm sorry I all right AR was
abstain all eyes at so far and Iain [Music] 1 two 3 four to I'm I about that I'm sorry five and one and one
five one [Music] yep what Mullen mull yeah thank you thank you you're welcome okay new business public hearing
a Deborah Auburn 10 n Lane rear map 18 L 25 I'd like to entertain a motion to open the public hearing motion to open public hearing second all those in favor I I request for determination was file
by Deborah Ain for property located at 10 n Lane rear map 18 Lot 25 the applicant proposes an in kind replacement of a 24x 40 garage the applicant is represented by David V for Deb engineering service plan name is
proposed garage foundation plan sheets 1- 4 dated February 14 20125 review of matters presented votes may be T [Music] taken Dave good evening my name is David
fet for the record I'm representing DEA off she lives at uh 6 n Lane this project is actually in a cushion at six n Lane is in the bed but this this project isn't a cushion it just just on the outside of
the line so um I'm I'm assuming that you've got the set of plans from the foundation plan that I did it's four sheet we just uh got copies of the PDF plans for the actual garage
I didn't print up a whole bunch of those because it's a differ size print but you'd like to look at them can pass them around yeah when don't we pass them [Music]
around I'll let you open them up and pass them around I'm actually more inclined to just ask or answer questions if there's any questions but the garage is itself burned down a year and a half yeah about a year and a half ago and as
a result of that what's left on the ground is the existing foundation and slabs and the client wants to just rebuild the garage in the same place same
size and the only the only change with what we're looking to do there is ADD about 25 ft of actual foundation wall because on the south end of that garage there wasn't an actual foundation wall the
freeze wall and we knew that that would become a requirement under the building department so that's the only thing that we're adding on there um other than that I was out with the visit from the commission and we were told we would be
okay to put um hay bales or silk fence for water bottles approximately 10 ft on the outside of the garage and wrap it back into the uh backyard so that it would protect the wetlands I don't have all the wetlands delineated or anything
like that this was just kind of a replacement project and we took it as we made it as simple as we could make it and we we think that we're okay I I think the commission is happy with what we need to do with respect to protecting
the wetlands and that's basically all you know ready to answer for questions all right did we get any site plans on this just the just the garage right you don't you don't have any site PL well with elevations and
anything well the everything's kind of controlled by what's there already because the garage just burned down to the ground and we're not changing the location we're going to raise the foundation wall 6 in so that it's above the ground a little bit but we're not
changing the location at all so Mr fet for clarification on on this project to my understanding through the site visit that we were on on that particular Saturday the concrete pads we'll call them pads that are that are established there
you're no longer going to use those you're going to demo those you're going to create a new Foundation right I understand what happened happened it uh the garage burnt down the understanding I kind of got off
the bat was the original intent here was to rebuild the garage to my understanding on the same location where it is but on the same surface which is the cement pads that somehow
somehow was misconstrued I think um where it's it's not going to be uh relocated to the cement pads so those cement pads are scheduled to be demoed for a new foundation so I'm I'm looking at this
project as new from the ground up at this point through my eyes it is new from the ground up right I just want the clarification that the cement pad or cement Foundation that's there is scheduled be
demoed in a in a new pad or foundations to be poured yes for clarification thank you that's what I was looking for what's what's in existence is a 24x 24 conrete block wall that goes down to
footings and that is the part of the uh Foundation that we're going to try and use by taking one course of brick clock off two ports of the block off and rebuilding it the contractor may just
use concrete forms for concrete but the actual Foundation was going to be re yeah on the south end of the garage what was originally there was built on just a slab so Andy bo uh Andy B mentioned that
we have to have a freeze wall going around that section so we the plan show a new foundation wall going going down to 4 ft to connect to the existing footing new wall coming up to the same grade and then like I said we're coming
6 in up above the existing ground because you don't want your you don't want your structure in the a wood structure right on the ground you need to have that up a little bit so that's the only change that we're actually making is the 6 in that were coming up
on the exact same foundation and the the slabs are so um the internal slabs are so beat up because of the uh cleanup and demolition that we had that she had to go through to get the materials taken out that they're just not even usable
right and and that was the clarification that I wanted the public to hear that that Dem that was scheduled to be demoed we're actually pouring or we're going to create a new foundation corre and we're putting it in the vicinity of where the
structure was and I only said that just for clarifications okay because I I think there was a little misconstrusion going on there and that being said on this project myself personally I would like
to see this to go for an oversight for peer review to have it number one delineated and and for variances because the neighbor is so close to that property I'd like to and I don't know if there's an issue with the neighbor or there could be an issue with
the neighbor I'm only saying in my eyes I would like to see it delineated and see variances on this project to take place because we are in some Wetland boundaries there and there's a lot of debris that's been pushed down in that
area a lot of things that need to be taken out of that area before this project even begins and that's where I stand on this project okay I'd like to say one thing um I know I went out to the site met you Mark and I met you um
obviously everyone saw how that that yard has been bad filled I mean over the wetlands guaranteed um was it done years ago yeah it was right I don't think to ever say that we should go in there and rip it all out is the right thing correct
that's going to be I don't think we need to where the garage is I don't believe we need to delineate because the delineation line now if they go way out to the wet Edge you're going to be 50 ft away from that if they take an augur and try to Auger that ground they're never going to
get anywhere because it's all brick stone it's Urban bill is what they use yeah out what's that you'd have to dig a section this law states you got to dig a section down to the original right I don't think we should put anyone through
that it wasn't her that did it um it was probably her husband I'm not sure um all I'm saying is is when I went out there and looked at I feel very confident in putting Waddles silk fence whatever it takes around it that's my own opinion um
I don't feel that getting a bot this out there and putting Flags into the wetlands because they're not going to put it where the bricks are or where the backfill is I don't think that's going to help and I think it's going to put a burden on her for expense that is not going to help that's my own opinion and
um I'll listen to the commission you want to go first mitt um I've got a quick question but just clarification um sorry to jump in so I know Dave that we discussed when um Jim and I were out there and it's come
up before there there there is material that's been stored that's there on the edge of the Wetland and and I know we discussed that you know there's recognition that it's there and that the willingness that to try to
clean up some of that that material um right and that I again this was just discussion we had but I maybe you can speak a little bit to that or you don't have to I'm just wanted to raise that point we were even discussing on site removing that um fabric ched getting the
plow out from behind it um I actually was talking to her about pulling all the pipes out of there getting everything at least like 40 ft away from the wetlands that are very obvious um if she does that and she has that going forward I feel that's a real good start it's not
going to fix the damage that was created but she knows that she has to move it all away she actually was saying she's going to try to get her grandson out of her and get all the materials that are along the edges back into the inside of that site um I know that we can put it
on the RDA that that has to be done and uh we can put it on the RDA um so it's it's actually in the description of the word that we're proposing was it was there ever uh oh sorry go can I speak yeah goad was there
ever uh building permit um issued in the first place and like cuz and it kind of got me thinking now we're talking about Frost lines and stuff like that who's to say that footing is not bad now we're going to
have to redig the whole I'm just it all has to be there just no sight plan at all the whole thing needs to be excavated well we don't know cuz they said they're going to take a front top rope brick off there's a footing underneath the wall there there's an inside Area that's
got foundation wall and footing but the entire footprint is not not is it legal in the first place there what I'm getting at um I guess well here's the only problem and
this is the truth after 5 years it don't matter no it's not for me it's it does this isn't question for me really but this is going to run under something for Andy B I'm just I am in favor for it to be her to rebuild but at the same point
I've also had a lot of different complaints personally about Andy doing things that don't quite end up working out the best or perfect I just want to make sure she doesn't spend all kinds of money on putting this building up and then it not be correct because the
foundation jump so that that building was up longer than 5 years it's automatically grandfather didn't I found that out so whether she had a permit or not when they put that garage up it doesn't matter cuz she's been getting tax on it forever so that
means it's that's all set whether I had a permit or not when it was originally built she's been paying taxes on it for a long time I'm now it's going forward on the new permit you're asking no I'm kind of making sure that she's aware of what was built and that if say the frost
line is she's in the frost line at her best expense it might be in her best interest to have instead of only having it raised 6 in maybe she wants to change her plan a little bit but I don't even have a site plan to look at and judge it's just to make sure that her project is done in correct manner well that's
what we she hadd an engineer for to make sure that the 6 in is adequate do we have a site plan well with elevations and all that I have not received nothing take take a look at this this is my file coffee I didn't Supply them I
there's think got the there's a foundation plan demo well a demo plan at Foundation plan slab plan and the details yeah but this is not a site plan and yes it's not a site plan the reason why it's not a side plan is
because we're just building what was there we're rebu the existing slab and footprint is is very evident at you know the foundation wall the foundation SL and all that stuff so this is just a
complete rebuild and it'll be up to C what's that it'll be up the code obviously it's going to be new construction well because it's it has to it has to be new construction because the building is completely burned down so yes it will be
[Music] completely does anybody else want to look at this I just want to recommend to the board like was yeah hold on one second guys I I just want like with the whole
Sil fence thing I think 10 ft is going to be a little burden on trying to get any work done in there like we can't could we bump it out for them a little bit you know maybe to the edge of where it's already filled in it's already filled in anyways we just stated we didn't want maybe we could make give
them like 20 ft or something I'd like to keep it as close as possible my own personal opinion cuz we just don't want anything else to run it slopes down away from the garage the excavator that going there is 8 foot wide mhm so how is he so now he's going to
have to put all the everything esor will be in the middle for feet on each side of it so he's going to have to di so you can't yeah I see the excavators even at 4 foot now a truck you like there's not room there's that's a very tight quarterage for him
to work into St what do you think here here's how I Envision the contractor doing this work the slabs all the concrete SL are coming out he should be able to just go right over the middle of that garage right inside and and pull
out the slabs right uh clean out the concrete slabs all all the apron slabs and everything like that the concrete block my recommendations on the sheets are it needs to be removed carefully because if you destroy I know that there's a footing because I probed in
several of the hollow holes down 4T in fact I my probe went right down so I know it's at least the I I think 3 and 1/2 ft so I know it's at least 3 and 1/2 ft if he removes if he do does too much damage to those blocks as he's got to
remove he may have to go down another course and you know and the option is there him to remove the entire thing but he may be able to remove a couple of courses put some twoot forms up and pour concrete to make the walls that's how I
Envision him being able to do that however from 24 feet back to the 40 feet he has to put a a new footing because there's nothing there so that's but the excavation in that area is more open
than along the side of the garage that's the only reason why we could probably make the 10 ft work well it says do you want to go to 15 we could go to 10 I mean 12 12 to 15 that would be helpful yeah it was agree with that like just even so at 10t now you
got to realize what saying that means 10t off that other side too cuz the silk fent comes down the side and all around the back right so that means that whole thing is going to be surrounded 10 foot no we were talking when Dave and I were up they were're going to take when he comes around that we're going to shoot
to the other Corner we're not wrapping that back wall you're not going to return on it right so quickly ER okay well I'm just going by what was just stated it said 10 ft around the foundation 10t around the side 10 ft and then when it comes across to the side it's going to shoot to the corner almost
to the corner of that uh fabric shed this is where we kind of got to watch how we do this and word this cuz this is where people make errors and we're starting to try to micromanage a project I think if he just has 20 foot all the way around the significant room and there's no room for error here here's
what the plan was along the garage for a distance and once we get to this point this is the edge of the garage this would would go at an angle to the to the I'm not trying to fight your issue I'm trying to give more room no get that straight I'm trying to give them more
room so if you guys want to do 10 ft hey I'm good like I said I mean go 15 but I do want to keep it as close as we can to the garage we'll go no more than 15 beautiful beautiful okay do I have anyone in the audience come on
up my name is uh Jeffrey G I'm here with my wife Kathleen we've been living at 10 I Lane which I bought her property for 17 years we rent the property from arold and Margaret ma who are at 18 ising they're not here they asked me to
represent them regarding this I have no opposition to her building the garage I really don't my [Music] concern and I've printed out pictures is the amount of water we get in our
backyard I did not realize that was weeton in back there I mean now I'm understanding why we're here at the commission I didn't quite understand why um but we get a ton of water from what I'm assuming is the wetlands
when it rains a lot and we get snow and a lot of snowm you'll see it in the pictures it really really really floods so if she wants to build another garage up there my question is and the same thing with the owners of the property is how do we remedy that water situation
where that water is not going to come back at us because it's washing away and it's sinking our property and The Little Garage we have and you'll see in the pitches I mean it legitimately gets flooded in water all the way around to the front so let me ask you a question since that garage burnt down have you
gotten any more water isues not since it's been burned down though so was only when the garage was up when the garage was up and again I I don't understand construction I don't understand none of this I'm just here because of concern of just all that excessive water that we
get towards towards our end so I don't know how how we need this work that's what I just poting out cuz look at this is the corner of this building right how long did the shed how long ago did the shed burn down um April uh 13th 1923 uh
2023 years we've had significant rainfall since 2023 in the front see my understanding also from talking to the town comes we have water FR of the the is that there's a natural stream that also runs underneath
us because even the water pit the water box in the front gets really really full of water when it rains a lot or even if we have one or two days of sustained rain so I'm not sure if that also contributes to how much water gets put in our backyard cuz we used to have
SE we're now hooked up to to sewer in town the city and the reason why the owners did that was because when we would pump the septic out you'd actually see natural water drain back into you know what I'm trying to say so I know
exactly what you mean you know I got I'm not AOS to her building the garage at all I mean what happened was was was crazy we we our strong too but we're just trying to understand how right is this a separate issue or or is this the runoff from the
which I don't think it's a huge structure I know sir I don't understand I I this is why I'm asking I'm here I'm I'm I don't know I mean it burnt down in 2023 we've had significant rain yes sir since 2020 this is January 24th if you
look at that picture there that is after we had a lot s yeah but she had no garage no no the garage was not there at that time so you are correct so this is what I'm saying to you I don't understand if it's because the structure was there or if it wasn't because the structure was there because no our land
has it's it's continuously dropped so I think this is more of an issue than just a garage truthfully that's right yeah that's so you got January 2024 yes sir that is correct that's um a little over a year almost a
year after the garage burn down to her credit you know what when she put up the new Abes along that back section where it all burns down and removed it see whoever did it actually mounded if you will a little bit of the burm put burm
so that the Abes would take hold because she can tell you that even when the garage was there in the rain she started losing Abes they would literally fall into our yard because they had no roof they couldn't there was nothing for them to grab since she did that and she had that
come up those Abes have not moved and we've had rain since do you know I'm not again I'm not opposed to her doing this I'm asking on my behalf as living there for 17 years and the owners of the property just want to know like hey you know how do we resolve that
water thing because and something else to take into some consideration here too is the Landscapes has changed as as we all know by doing this site visit there's a lot of materials that have been added to that site gravel broken brick uh concrete
asphalt um push to the extreme to the boundaries of the wetlands that can itself create impact uh because it it it becomes an impervious service at uh surface at that
point so the water is just staying on top instead of so in to drain away you know we we've uh encroached the wetlands areas um building yeah it should be a concern so I see here where the garage
used to be where it was burned down I see your picture I see that where the garage is probably a foot and a half above the water yes sir this might be something you can work with Dave and it's only a suggestion put some kind of drainage here that goes towards the wet
land I think originally when the late Dennis offing property and they were working on some sort of solution to P drainage away from front of from the side of your garage per se yeah to the back beond her
property yes I mean I think it's something maybe you know they will be a to help you out maybe you know I don't know if the owner of the house is willing to say hey let's talk with um the engineer maybe while they're there working they could put some kind of little drainage system oh
yes sir I talked to them yesterday over the phone they're in Florida right now and they are willing to to work with it I mean they're not opposed to the building going up we're just concerned about the walking yeah well like I said this was no garage when her garage so you got an issue there without the garage being built yes sir so it's more
of elevations and you have no place for your water to go yes cuz her property her driveway and one of the fures we moved in there 17 years ago was kind of L through the years when her husband back F and keping up it actually
elevated her driveway above our yard I just natur back when it adds you know what I'm trying to say so over going it's got to run off some and it's com you know it's just an unfortunate you
know I mean that almost can I on that real Qui just so you know Sor for that this is all new to me so so this to me I'm more than happy looks like a storm storm water issue right so here's
where the garage is or was see there y That's right next to that little garage what about putting some kind of drain back there so this is their garage this is their garage that's his shed that's his shed right you are correct so what if it is over
200 that one door is 8 foot that's the slab right there lawn technically by the bylaw though it's still considered the you are correct yes it is yep
[Music] Mr chairman I I I I just I'm going to just put it out there I'm it's unfortunate that there flooding going on
there okay I I don't believe it's her property that's that created the problem I think that just those houses were built in a time where the setbacks and everything weren't the same and that let's be honest that's all on a wetland
so I think it's just getting overflooded from so she this is this building right here that's just going to be another issue it doesn't matter if he puts drains or he doesn't put drains when the water table comes up when
the talking the old you get a check this one get a check the water level comes up to that area it's gonna flood was originally all well it just comes it's coming from
the bottom up so Deborah I want to ask you a question would you be willing to work with the other owner as far as maybe um between you the other owner the engineer maybe we can come up with something might have to go across your
filled in area that might relieve them from prevent so it don't happen to them again it ain't going to affect you well it's kind of wide open there J though what's that it's it's pretty wide open their backyard right to the that
that area it's it's coming from the ground up have to look at this a lot you put a drain in the ground it's still going to be wet the drain is is going to be underwater I'm not saying a complete drain underw I'm talking a or something like that Eric yeah but what I'm getting
at it's coming from the ground up yeah she's if it's this elevation here at the water back further behind the garage it goes way down toward the wetlands if we could if they could try to maybe look at something maybe design
something between them and see what they could maybe come up with to try to relieve this I mean this is a stone water issue too well it's yeah but it's just not it's not going to happen just the the elevations no it's the elev the
elevations are there it's going to it's going to happen it's going to continue to happen that's why our new setbacks our new laws were put into effect so situations like this don't happen I mean what Dave could do though is shoot the elevations and see how far away it is to Trop it all I'm saying is so it don't
Pond up in front of the guy's garage or the owner's garage it's it's in the water table it's just never been built there you're right you're right 100% that was probably there before they they originally bought the house which I believe was back in 2005 maybe um and
I'm also my wife and I are also interested in buying purchasing the property from them so you know it's also an our interest to to see how everything works and how you know I mean we've been living there for 17 years we have three boys been raising you know what I'm saying I mean again I'm
just for me it's a lot of research dat and also for them which here it's just I don't know I want to be educated on how all this works go onine and do some more Jimmy is this something do work with and try to
resolve you think me well my own personal opinion I think maybe uh Dave could take some elevation shots and see if there's any way maybe this could be relieved okay if the elevation ain't working in that favor I mean you see over here with the water on the left
side of this that's probably equal to what in the wetlands yeah yeah so a drain will not do anything oh that's why I just said shoot elevations Eric I'm not saying do anything shoot a couple elevations see if there's anything that he might be up to help pitch it or maybe
not they said the owner of the properties Arnold and Margaret Mo are very open to work with this gentleman and Mrs a as well this is this is not like the garage this is you know no no no has no effect of this they vo their concerns to me yesterday over the phone
and ask me to relate it to you guys um and I'm also relating my concerns that you know prospectively being owners of the property ourselves we're just trying so the only promise I can't I cannot promise that the drainage is going to work right cuz the the wetlands that
he's talking about to be than that that's a simple matter of cheing 100 100% do there's no um well I can tell you that in front of that garage door where the gutter pipe is matter of fact if you're more
than welcome to come by if you see my red I can go over it with you there three or yep it it gathers like and I can also show you where her husband with I'd like to put in a motion I motion to continue this to the next meeting give
more time I agree okay I got a motion to Contin continue it I got a second all those in favor thank you thank you so we're going to continue until April 9th April 9th
Dave continue until April 9th you want more time or do you want a little more time you want more time I won't I won't be here because my dad passed oh sorry that I'm going to be not back until day after Easter April 23rd April
23rd okay all right I'd like to entertain a motion to continue this till April 23rd me to April 23rd for continuation second all those in favor all all all right April 23rd do you want
another site visit to or just no I don't think we need another site visit and I asked a question if this is I know it's associated with this project but it's not really related to the garage
correct can she get permission through this um commission to move ahead with the garage no we just continue to we're going to have to do that next meeting further discussion yeah but you know something Dave is correct though
right he just continued it I know but we've done it before I don't know if I can I'd like to resend the vote excuse doing here you don't mind you can continue the vote but what you
going next week you can't we we're just asking if the if the garage can still proceed we we next the next meeting we will make our decision on if the project will pass or not through our board we just need time to go over these other facts that have been presented in front
of us this has nothing to do with the garage absolutely zero so I would like to entertain a motion to rece re the vote okay whatever whatever you have the power to do that I just did I can I get a motion I'll second the motion no you
can't I I need a motion if you want to I'll make the motion do I have a second second all those in favor I'm say okay so now so what do you want I'd like to entertain a motion that the
RDA get a negative determination so she can continue with the garage go ahead make the motion motion wait L can you just wait a second please so you're going to have to put something in there that has a
timeline because once I issue this you have a area that you can add some conditions so do you want to condition it to a date that he would come back with some further plans no they just they just pushed it along they just
pushed it along instead of us having time to continue it to go over the special order of conditions to go over everything we just re this has that's what we're talking about Jimmy I'm talking about the drains and all the other things you guys were just talking about that's still with this has nothing
to do with her garage no her garage you were just talking about putting drains in her garage no no no no not in her garage at all not in her garage at all I didn't you say something about having drains off drain system didn't you say something
about roof drains no I said the gutter if anything the gut the gutter that's what I'm saying in other words they when so that's on that side of that property that's what she's stating can't put the down spot St in that property okay so that's what she's
stating to have him redo the plan so that stuff is in the plan material right okay that's what she was asking consultation barrier okay if you can condition that that we want to write it in so you want to like Max go ahead
Mark so you can condition an RDA um and so if the commission wants to do so you might want to consider what's been discussed siltation barriers within a certain distance
maximum of 15 ft right um there also discussion about trying to clean the yard up and getting stuff off what what is clearly whether it you don't need to delineate that piece cuz you can see the wet L of material that's there to to
clean it up and get that removed that could be another condition if you want to we want to put a timeline on that can we just continue the meeting to go over this not on live and we can you can go over it with Mr Minon and have it all
done that's all that continuing was about I don't know why we had to resend the continuation to to make all this stuff PR so to continue the garage it's a garage never mind you just I know what you're saying Eric but what I'm saying
is why are we holding her up for a couple minor conditions silk fence that's a given any kind of waddle or whatever they used we can put in second thing is is the gutters make sure the down spots don't go in the neighbor Direction
okay anyone else you said I would consider something you know U having some representative of the commission at least do a side inspection during construction when when you start
moving and as far as her pulling the material back she that ain't going to happen overnight with her grandson and stuff um I mean do we want to give her four months after the date of start of construction she has 4 months to get that whole Edge cleaned
off I think that's more than fair it puts her through the summer if you think that's fair then then how do you feel I already have it planned to clean up next week already my grandson's beening but give her three months so then we'll cut it back to three months Deborah to get
everything pulled away from the edges up in the middle okay all right so all right so three wants to process clean up station barrier within 15 ft of how do you work that with 15 no not within the 15 ft that's outside of 15
you want outside of 15 ft okay siltation barrier all that is all on the Wetland line it's all on okay and then down [Music] spouts that's right we just need time to put it together right this we te we technically have 21
days from the taking action to finalize orders of conditions this isn't an order of condition this is we're conditioning your determination if that's what the commission is comfortable and decides
that's what you want to do in this this case but I'm feel we can we can word Smith it if we have I I agree Jimmy I'm in agreeance with you this this flooding problem is a separate issue from the garage project I agree
with you h% sound on this and let's not hold this project up do you have a date of when this when your contractor is supposed to come and do this as soon as I get the foundation and it'll come and on so you're assuming he has time open to come right
away well I would like to get garage okay so real the contractor is not going to have time to drop everything he's doing to jump right onto a garage true but you got a permit it was postpone to the 23rd and then we still have to wait
another 3 or 4 weeks we're going to be in May yeah I didn't let's do it okay with that being said under those conditions that were read off I would
like to entertain a motion to do a negative determination of this RDA make that motion second all those in favor stay now all right there you go you're welcome I don't know what I'm voting on at this point okay discussion 550 Main Street
navon solar site reviews of matters presented votes may be Tak thank you guys I appreci thank you very much thank [Music] you guys and you are yes uh Steve C
coo um over the past couple of weeks I've had a had an issue with my engineer getting things out so he just got Bill final plans as bills end of last week we talked to Bill Bill's not ready to sign off they've been going back and forth on things but for some reason it just
wasn't um if you remember the process plan we were going to Bill wanted to sign off we wanted him to sign off and as built as is what's in the place the plans that were associated with that then we would take that modify the plan slightly for what we think is going
to happen in the interim here all in the interim I'm still maintaining excuse me talking Deborah thank you thank you thank you I'm still maintaining all storm water on site except for that Southwest Basin which is going off to the farm pond in
the other direction we still have cameras out there we're watching everything um we're ready for next week the P the ponds are empty right now the one thing I will say is we have already started scheduling landscapers to go out there Reed get stuff down start uh especially on the entrance and we're
going to start we're going to overseed and we're going to hydr seed sorry aate and overseed in the in the array itself and try to get that popping again I have in my mind and I've said this before a couple things that I want to do I want to modify Basin 3 which is
the northernmost Basin the the the low Outlet flow I think that's too big and then the Basin from 2 to 3 I think that orifice is too big Bill agrees with us we think we can get around with modifying those lowf flow orifices but
he won't start that until we finish the as built so he has the as built I think we're almost there on the asilt then I'm going to file all the other stuff but I do have all the Landscaping guys already set up for the first two weeks of April so are you looking to come back
around the 23rd of April yep okay well if you don't think it's enough I'll throw I would love for you to say I could come back and be the second on the 26th in two weeks but you
just wait a minute man that was don't get me wrong so here here's what I'll do I will come back on the 23rd of April that's I will guarantee we will be done I will have pictures of what's out in the field we will have done stuff on the main entrance we'll Hydro seat at things
getting I think we're still in this plan and I've I've committed to this and I'll keep telling you this I'm not going to open up those those bottom two basins until Bill tells me I can once we get things down I'm going to have Bill come up and expect it all the stuff that we need to do before we start opening this
up well that's why I didn't say April 9th because Bill's not here to say yes I think I'll be ready that's right so that's why I moved it to the 23rd because now I know it bill has time and we should be pretty well set and and I I'll keep in touch with everybody we you'll know if we're done Bill Bill will sign
off us and then I'll come and then I'll come back down in the 23rd and hopefully we'll be okay I'm I'm still considering that there is going to be some sort of monitoring here over the next over the spring and into the summer once we open this up again and or for the next 23
years 40 wow least I have 39 year Le on so I I just have a question so Bill's okay with you calling the landscape or having the landscape is scheduled to come in and and do this work that you've got slated yes it's all from meridian's
original plan and the specs on all the grass seed and everything like that so it's per plan in areas that have not been completed to plan and so he's already mentioned the front area when you come up like right when you come up off of basin one that's going cleaned up
all the area around of basin 2 which where all the tanks I will confirm in writing and have Bill say it's okay that's what I'm looking for as long as Bill is comfortable yeah because you know you've been down this this road before and having to do this project over again and then having to do
this a third time would be a complete nightmare as long as he's given you the two thumbs up I I think the commission would be comfortable okay and uh you know proceeding forward we're not bringing change in L bringing no l I'm bringing L yeah
you going to strip it all or just lay over just add add where so I I think Jimmy if we could get that from Bill as an okay for him to to have the Landscaping um you know underway on a time time date um I'll
I'll get it that in writing in an email and I'll submit it send it right over to Mar and Jo and then Joan get pass we're taking the right steps 100% understand I had a quick question for you if you don't mind that let me get my direction
North East top side is that is what's going on over there you pulling the rest of those stumps and doing any grading up in that area what what I so on the plan that is supposed to be stumped and left okay um as is no dirt I mean no grass
nothing nothing nothing stumped and left as is that was the only the original plan that was it we've thrown seed down there but there's no soil up there no it's just grindings and stumps so we're not really getting much up there if I could get like a meadow mix that we could just let go I would but that is
just as as per plan yeah cuz I personally took a stop down there um when it was frozen where I could chase some water it was all Frozen I saw some area up there that brought me concern you know with
the I just didn't know maybe you wanted to run that by we getting some seed and blow them up there just to try to slow something no it's going to be tough to get anything in there we' have to strip up all the the stumps and then it's just going to create more isue that we
need okay and I can I'll ask Bill but I we if we'd have to get it's all stumped and and um grindings to get anything grow out there we'd have to pull all the stumps which I don't want I don't want to pull it's going to make a bigger mess than we need it was it was P that only
work yeah pull STS appreciate that I'll get I'll get Bill to sign off on that I know we're trying to do as soon as he signs it off send it to M and Joan she'll send it to us okay then we all know that it's good and golden okay and I plan on seeing you on the 23rd and we will be done I hope so or at least I
will be done with Bill and then you can you guys can agree to it take the motion all right this is just discussion we don't need a motion oh okay anybody else have any questions no okay next for discussion is 588 Road
possible Wetland violation review of matter presented votes may be taken mark update on 588 all right so we've all been out um or a number of us went out last Saturday saw the
site um we didn't walk the entire length there along the river but um I think for me I think then um there was a a verbal uh statement
that in question are are you done cutting and that the answer was yes you know we're done cutting but that's verbal I think we probably we should proceed with a a a formal just cease and desist friendly enforcement don't cut
anymore I don't know what the commission thinks about that um one of my concerns is um and I think most of you you know I'm not here to to you know I don't I don't own a pair of Jack Boots but um
you know I think that front portion is what really grabbed my attention originally uh thereby the where the U mulch or the wood chips are all piled that that was that's mapped as a a forest at Wetland um and it's pretty
much destroyed there so that in of itself would would is of concern I know there's some other concerns but I won't speak for other people but you know there's still at least what we saw Saturday there's you know still trees
down in in a brook up front there and you know going down the river um and you know um there you know I I mean I can appreciate some of the you know what we heard from the the property owner on
Saturday but still think um I don't think there's a Forest management plan I there was apparently there was and it to my understanding that forestry plan expired so that's null and void yeah a after my
understanding and my talking with her yeah and she still has it still under agricultural it's it's not active yeah it is it's expired no agricultural no that ain't agricultural yeah it's on if you go on the re I got the picture right
here let's I'll share it with you hey I'm not in saying anything wrong I'm just stating she openly law agriculture you can't just go in there white out wet PL I'm not saying I didn't I didn't one of my
questions is going to be what was the what zoning areas were what because it is zoned if you did you check for planning yet so I mean uh uh the the a no uh the one that controls the
assessors didn't you check with the ass's office yet well that's up um yes when we've got we've got the plot the the card uh but I I I want to but back to and it's a mixed zoning but but back
to U Back to forestry my understanding having talked to this the Forester for the Southeast region is you you've got to have a forest management plan even if you're in in wetlands and there is an exemption you still have to it still has
to come before the Conservation Commission and really the the thing you really need is a forest cutting plan which is separate from the management plan and from what I've been told from what I've been told it doesn't there's
not one there's no Forest management plan current and no Forest cutting plan current here in auset um I can do some more digging but at some point it becomes if you have one if you have an exemption you need those
two pieces in place and that would bring any activity in front of the commission whether it was exempt or not um and a little bit of the onus or or some point if you have have that which would exempt the work you got to present it to the
commission my understanding I was told that there's no um uh there's no the force management plan expired I I think in 1990 y I believe the yeah so um I I
think that's the next step is to to just and apparently and I'm sorry Christian and and Doug it appeared that there was still some more cutting going on near that that lot right there and I I didn't notice it but but but it I I felt that
way I I felt behind that large mulch pile that's there The Cutting has exceeded far beyond what I recognized the very first time that I laid an I've all on it
um we were there I'm not sure what was going on the day we were there but there was some equipment running it sounded to me like a chainsaw I can't assume I didn't see do you know what that is right do you know what that is yes Eric
I know what what it is over there you know what the machine all right I I feel there's something more going on to this property than we all know about it this yeah so let's do this right can I finish oh go ahead
please sorry I I feel this is more than um a verbal cease and desist I I think as a commission we should issue a formal inwriting ceas and toist letter to this property owner uh what I saw uh was
pretty upsetting um trees in the riverbeds um it was just uh a hideous land clearing that was just left uh abrupt uh in the wetlands um very unprofessional very unprofessional and I
I feel that there should be some enforcement taken on it and possibly some uh replications um enforced on this so why don't we do this dou let's take and um vote right now to send a cease and desist I don't think we have to put it
to a motion because this is only a discussion but we can't take a vote so all those in favor of a cease and desist on this property I'd like to hear from them right now I'll make I'll make the motion to issue cease and assist second all those in favor all right I haven't been there
I'm I'm in negative you ericon no and how you stain yeah I just don't know what you're talking it's yeah you do it's the one we walk through and and and for the one that we illegally wed 288 I mean 588 588
the one that we went to went out that has nothing to do we solar fils going on top of the box we went back out there the one yeah so the other thing is I don't know if you know this they put Solo Fields all
over those Bo so that takes away their agriculture they have an open they hav't open no yes they do then we're good then we were're good it's an RDA right now I got to check on the dates but it's we believe that they got the Perman extension so we're going to look at that
but they got two solar arrays going on the two bgs that are in there okay so if it was open like I stated that other day we were fine but everybody didn't have that information and they said we didn't have it I just actually pulled the files out today okay and it started in 2018 is
when they applied for this then they got the extension because of Co Y and then they get the extension of Co I believe they're going to be able to grab this extension we got to really look at the date joen was and I were discussing that today but if they get the next extension that mean they're probably going to go forward with the two solar fields on top
of the box but an RDA is an ex so that if you put the if we put a season toist on was any of that work IR relevant to the the B has nothing to do with the tree CL no it's not even the same way matter of fact well well I just want to read one I'm not saying it does or it
doesn't but so Doug was just saying about stuff going on the back were they clearing more tree was it do you have any plans or anything on so no but I get this and I'll just read it real quick U Michael L was presented to discuss the project he brought in an areal photo the
application the applicant is not clearing any trees on the land period the Upland bogs will be the location for the installation of the solar array and I'm surprised no they have an open one so what I'm saying is is those
trees had nothing to do with even like the solar Fields no she stated what it was for it was a hazard she was worried about the hazard trees falling on the building was one of her reasons which was on the back and she has the barn right there which well that's pretty far
away from B no the barn was right there ER Eric I took about 15 photos of that site the the clearing that was done was not even close okay to some of the trees that were taken down as small
as this small as big as this big yeah as as far as you could see and then that roadway that that was clayed out in the back uh where that cedar was dropped in that string there's more than meets the eye here something else is happening
here that we don't know about whatever their intentions are we don't know we don't care we were called out there originally on a complaint that's why we were there and and we have the right to follow up on the complaint go on the property and yes now it is posted no
trespassing I did forone did pay attention to the other memo we got email too right with the court cases on it and all that you did read through those say that again did you read through the memo that was sent to us so it is a touchy area where we do have the right and we
don't have the right there was just couple cases in there where we don't have the right well that's why we went back out formally and to to view the site um I would I'll will say that the cease and assist um I think we should
say put something in writing and I think that in of itself will address these questions what else is going on is there any other the only any other work going on out there I ask I ask um who who's doing the cutting trying to
figure out and I I guess it's the so what's going to go on with pico is that going to stop Pico from doing business now because that's Pico and they're zoned industrial is Pico clearing they're doing all the that's where all those wood chips and
everything you're stating at that's all from the grinder well so let's do this let's put a cease to assist on 588 send it to a certified letter stop everything and let them come before us simple as that yeah whether it's Pico whether it's her I really don't care I
want that property to St so Mark please finish sure yeah so and and at this point too um we know from the the initial complaint we haven't seen all the clearing that's going on on the property we we had pictures that were part of the initial complaint that
showed looks like it's from the southern end of the property I don't know exactly where but you know again again I I i' I I think it's a I think it's prudent any L all up whether it's pipo whatever anything at 588 all
ceas all clearing all tree cutting all everything period until they come in front of us whether it's pipo whether I'm trying to get at like do we have to tell cease and deist can pico still conduct business can Stanley talk with
is that on 588 yes it's all that would that would adhere to anything Happ on 588 so what does Pico L the land from her yes it's under so all stopped everything goes okay okay guys okay guys whatever hey that's what it is Mark
please finish yeah well I'm I'm just trying to clarify I'm trying to clarify all stop is like it's all stop 588 all stop period whether it's an industry or whether it's a company whether it's her person there okay we just got to I I
think in the SE Cy we word Smith it we tailor it so if people are out there trying to do business they're not in violation of the Wetland protection act they can come to the commission and and discuss it and I'll I'll I'll extend that
invitation that's I'm saying we put a season toist they're going to come to us if said all J all not all what we're saying though is if we put a cease and desist on all Pico is going to come up to us and say what do we do now then we're we're going to go see what they're
doing and we're going to say yay you continue or nay you don't if the owner comes up to us this is what we're doing can we continue we're going to say yay or nay and we have the right to do that Eric all right I'm just trying to stay out of liquidation there shouldn't be no oh
there going to be they're definitely going to show why we didn't do anything wrong they did I'm not okay okay we'll just continue with this I'm sure please get that certified certified mail get a letter out
everything on 588 all stop until they come to us and that's including Pico all right all right next so M Mr chairman have to vote on that don't we yes Mark we already did uh Mark while we were out there having discussion of of the you
abstained I mean she abstained you said no no for for season assist that's right Mr chairman if I may Mark while we were out there having that site visit and and trying to have a a friendly discussion with the property owner um
she openly admitted throwing a couple of names out um of who was out there clearing um could you share that with the commission please well the the one name that that when I asked who had who was clearing
the property was Stan was the the tree Warden and I don't that was the only person she said mentioned to me so I don't know if there's any body else I don't know disposition anyhow that's I talked to you the first time we were there and I
told you it was Stanley and it was Stanley's farther that were cutting the trees I then stated I would call them I called them and talked to them to verify what was going on then we verified it now we're here
again okay get Ang I I don't I I can I can reiterate again my understanding is there's exemptions I just toate it let's just do this let's get the
season dis fler out on a certified mail and we'll hear back from people once people SC have to stop and do you want on the next agenda for discussion again yes yes the the other step that that I'm going to take is also reach out to D
I've already talked to d a couple times but just let them know that you know where we're at and I I certainly um let let the Town Administrator um just give the the town
a heads up you know informally that you know this is out there and as as Eric said it may be a litigation risk but I think the way forward going to stop Pico from do controlling business he's definitely going to sue when not shutting his
company down we're shutting that job site down period that it's not a job well I back to just due diligence I'll let the town know that yeah as you know that I mean if people ain't doing nothing wrong they're going to come to
us immediately yeah and and when I we're going to have a discussion and when I word Smith the letter I I'll make it clear that you know we want to have a discussion there's there's issues come come to the commission we'll put you on the agenda
um yeah all right so let's move on please so next is six lamb sheet W land replication update excuse Leon I'm sorry six laon Street Wetland replication update review of the matter is presented votes may be taken
Mark so I gave I handed out this this paper this is from Steve schmeil um um I went out this is a replication site and I've bought it up before um I think at this point Steve said he's
not really getting he's still working on it I'll just leave it there but um I my my opinion is the replication site was not a good site on there you've got some invasive species that are in there uh
which indicates oh they're Upland species it indicates that they're and and Steve has confirmed this you've got Ledge in there so part of the replication site with on ledge sort of BL trying to blast that out and you don't know how deep you're going you
know I mean what's the recourse uh and so what Steve is proposing to do and I concur is to try to remove some of the invasives that would be hand pulling them um Jimmy brought up an issue about
the disposal so I can convey that but he's also proposing to go back in uh and do some additional planting um and I guess they're um looking for a certificate of compliance by um after
the 2025 growing season so sometime in the fall um what I would propose doing you can review that's that's basically we work together but Steve created that uh we discussed it the next step I
would suggest is setting up a site visit for I it's April 4th fth sorry or F fth if people want to go out and look at it in my opinion again the site was not the right site to try to replicate a wetland
um and without going into the details you know the the invasive species is kind of evidence of that although we did have a drought so hydrology might be you know might have impacted it but uh to try to remove that and do some
replanting and I think then we the books on that one because um that would be my recommendation you know I again you know the property's changed hands at least three times probably three times but you've
got a property owner you'd have to get in there with with equipment and everything else and you'd still have the problem of the hydrology is not correct for a portion of the site so that that's not to say there is some area that's been
replicated in there so I would say and I and I don't have the the square footage but I'd say probably he might cite it in here I forget but uh you know I think the majority of it is actually taken and he's talking about doing some additional
planting so I read this today and um I was going over it today and they're saying hand pulling the mug warped which is one of the worst so my big concern with that is what is he going to do with it once he pulls it right you can't put it in a compost pile cuz if someone grabs that takes it somewhere else it's
going to spread so I think we should get them in here for maybe the next meeting saying that Hey listen if any weeds are pulled up we put them double bag them put them in a brown bag leave them in a brown bag let them die right put them in a gabage let them go that way can you burn them probably after they're dried
you can but I think they should be put in a bag first make sure everything gets killed destroyed and then go from there so if you want to talk to Steve and see about coming in so we can go over this with him or do you think just an email to him saying that this is
what we're looking to do well I think we've got a little bit of time so I mean he's saying coming in for um a COC at the end of the growing season so I would say if anybody wants to go out we can add it to the site visit if there's not
interest we could do it individually if people you know have time and and just want to go see it separately from a formal site visit your your decision I know that Saturday is is filling up but I don't think it's you're doing on the fifth yeah did we send this down the
road for peer review the replication no I don't think so so if the rep if the replication is is in question Jerry why can't we send this down the road for a peer review why are we going to send everything for a peer review so I don't know about sending it
for a peer riew but this is what I'm going to say okay this paperwork once you read this Thug you're going to really see the guy really is what it is is there's an evasive weed yeah and it's hurting his replication plants yeah so he's suggesting that they just keep pulling these invasive weeds and
hopefully plant more replication plants and let them overtake once they overtake then it should stop the mug wart from growing okay just my biggest concern is what is he doing with that invasive weah right so if we can get him either through an email or whatever to confirm
that he's willing to make sure they double bag it let it die whether they burn it you know a few weeks later or whatever but it's got to make sure it's not spread Okay so until your question uh I don't know if you're familiar with
this project but my understanding is well before my time but my understanding is there were other problems with the whole there were four Lots I believe in there road was put in so I I can go ahead I I'll go back and take
a look at the noi and see if it was peer reviewed I don't remember of I don't know that was before us yeah it was before us that's why I asked that question okay and and I and and I I I'll say um well I'll just say this when I
went to grad school my major Professor was the guy who developed the classification system for Wetlands that's used worldwide University of Rhode Island haven't worked in Wetlands for a while but my mate my thesis was Leon's restoration
for whatever that's worth a quarter a I I I'm looking at it this was not the place are you comfortable with this yeah and and and I think we can invest a whole lot of time in something that the outcome is basically going to be the same and I think it's better use of our
time my time going forward making sure other stuff is done right okay I think like I said if we can get Steve to confirm that he's going to make sure these weeds invasive weeds get taken care of and not just thrown into a compost pile at the bar or something and
and I think we all agree at this table we want a good replication done right that's 100% And he's fighting it and he is fighting it so if he's willing to fight it and get it done like it's supposed to be the these weeds have to come out right yeah but so the next step
would be site visit yall want we can put it on we can put it on the schedule if other things if other things are more important there's othering atth no no the one after that what if we
do April 19th site visit yeah yeah let's put it on the April 19th site visit are we voting on this no the a a vote and we'll put it on the 23rd agenda sure how bad is that one looking
no okay good just don't know because right deadlines AR until you know April 2nd April 2nd for April 23rd okay so let's go to other businesses any other business that may properly come before the commission not reasonably anticipated when posting 48
hours prior to the meeting future business the next meeting of the Conservation Commission will be on April 9th 2025 meeting is to be held at the police station conference room located at 64 Middle Road a cushion at Mass I'd like to entertain a motion to
adjourn the meeting motion to adjourn this meeting all those in favor all motion to [Music] [Music] n