##VIDEO ID:szb4SIvVxVo## [Music] we at 6:00 p.m. on December 11th 2024 this hearing is being held as required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 of the general laws of the Commonwealth an act relative to the protection of the wetlands is most recently amended notice of the time and place of this hearing was originally published in the favor neighborhood news on September 11th 2024 and October 9th 2024 it was also posted in the town clerk's office persons wishing to be heard will be called in the following order this meeting is being audio and video recorded first order of business minutes for approval May 8th 2024 review of matters presented votes may be taken um I checked them out I had no issues I I had no issues make a motion so moved is there a second second all those in favor I that's unanimous we were all present at that meeting yep um meeting Mail Right of first refusal requests for M General Law chapter 61 forestry release map 23 Lot 1 474 Middle Road ACC cushion of mass 27.145 74 Acres received chapter 61b forestry credit time administrator James Kelly is requesting recommendations as soon as possible review of matters presented votes may be taken it wasn't soon enough they already forgoed their right of fresh refusal against my personal will but that's just my opinion I think that land is uh valuable to the town as it AB buts I think we all agree with you I think we all agree um but we'll see how that unfolds right um next order of mail uh memo from the board of selectman regarding request for Master on the Law chapter 61b release open space Recreation 2 a currently a portion of assesses map 3 lot 16d comprised of total of 4.8 Acres lot 16f 1443 Main Street review of matters presented votes may be taken um it's just a small swap for land yeah uh really kind of standard practice I I I don't want to I personally don't recommend on you know I think for going would be okay that possible so um do they need a formal vote yeah cuz I'll send a letter to okay make a motion that we do not recommend purchase for that property okay I'll second that all those in favor I one okay so that was uh six eyes and menion from Eric uh meeting mail Department Environmental Protection Waterway regulation program notification of waterways application by instar electric company for utility transmission lines at 39 Beach Street to one Pine Street review matters presented votes may be taken he would just let us know that ever source is has applied for a Waterway application for the project crossing the river uh old business continued public hearing notice of intent and storm water whes Farm Incorporated 211 Middle Road map 23 Lots 29 29a and 29b SE file number 001 0596 notice attent in stor Water application was filed by Zachary Fox Middle Road ACC cushion at solar LLC for property located at 211 Middle Road map 23 Lots 29 29a and 29b the applicant proposes to construct the ground mounted solar array on a portion of the Open Fields within the property located at 211 Middle Road nush work is limited to the 100 foot buffer zone to a bordering vegetated Wetland and Bank the applicant is represented by cus Daren or BS and Thomas plan name is Middle Road PV solar development dated September 10th 2024 review of matters presented votes may be taken uh is there a motion to open the public heing motion to open second all those in favor I I um so we received notification from uh was it re or maybe it was Sarah from Beals and Thomas um that they are looking to continue as they're still waiting the comments or we received the comments from the initial peer review they're working on their rebuttle rebuttle I guess you could say um and also the the public hearing from the planning board I believe was continued as well because of uh technical issues so they they've requested for our next meeting for it to be continued and that is January 15 okay so is there a motion to continue to the January 15th meeting at 6: p.m. here so moved is there a second second all those in favor that's unanimous okay continue public hearing notice of attent Lake Street new beer Reservoir Lakes 1 2 and 4 map 3 lot 13 map 4 lot 49 and map 19 lot 32 SE file number 001 0595 notice m t was filed by James Kelly Town town of aush for the property located at the new beff reservoirs Lakes 12 and4 applicant proposes the removal at the roote of invasive weeds from areas of the new beer Reservoir Lakes 1 2 and 4 located in a cushion using an Eco Harvester the applicant is represented by Scott dagget Lake Street Improvement committee review of matters presented votes may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open public hearing motion to open second all those in favor I I Scott the floor is yours so Scott Dagger from the uh Lake Street Improvement committee along with uh Mr Gary COA um so since last we met uh I think the question in which was left unanswered was did we hear from Mass d uh we did um their only recommendation was to review uh take call their guidance for aquatic plan manage management uh in lakes and ponds which is just a um a guideline as to uh certain actions that should be taken uh in this particular type of uh job that we plan on doing uh I've skimmed over it uh I believe uh Mr Minton also skimmed over it as well um there's nothing there that's really surprising um everything pretty much makes sense uh I believe um that uh you know the guidelines will be followed uh I think Jeff from uh Jeff Cisco from uh seeing the underwater I believe he's aware of this I sent him a copy of it just the other day uh I'm sure with all the work that he's done here in state he probably knows this thing cover to cover so I'm sure he does yeah so so I'm pretty sure that uh um you know we' we we' we've heard back from you know D we've heard back from Mass wildlife and we've heard back from uh division of marine Fishers and Wildlife um nothing surprising from any of those uh agencies uh they all are pretty much in approval um they do have some you know certain restrictions like time of year restrictions but you know those things don't really apply uh because we're not doing any work within that time frame um so I I think that uh you know we we've covered all our bases we've met every requirement and uh just looking to you know get approval on this and we can go ahead and start some scheduling for uh for August have you heard anything from uh New Bedford at all no so so I haven't heard anything from the city in New Bedford um um they've been pretty much non-responsive uh to a lot of my inquiries uh trying to get some information you know more information about the lakes and the ponds and um I haven't been in touch with the Conservation Commission I haven't been in touch with chance so uh you know I I I Tred to keep them in the loop um you know I I may have missed a few opportunities to you know uh make sure that that you know they know what's going on once we once this committee has gone ahead and approved I will go ahead and send all the information to chance so that he knows everything you know going on and uh you know all these other attachments and all these other um review comments from Mass wildlife D and uh division of fisheries and wildlife I will send all that to chance so that you know he will be kept up up to date did you try to go to any of their conservation meetings no there's no need to um what New Bedford does I'm not concerned with um you know as far as I'm concerned it's a formality it's just us being good neighbors keeping them up to date because it is their property even though we did you know we do have a mutual order of understanding you know for 25 years of time the kushion can go ahead and manage it uh which is what the city should have done to begin with um so no I have not gone to any of their Conservation Commission meetings just because I don't think it's relevant I agree the other thing Scott when is your first water sample going to be water sample you uh so you talking of the pawn pre application or post application pre before any work is done I thought we were doing um water testing well we so we did some water testing back in 2020 I think it was with Solitude um I have a copy of the uh the water quality report um it's actually what they call their Lake assessment report um I believe I don't know if the conservation if your Conservation Commission has a copy of that um I think merily at the time may have had a copy of it but I could be wrong U if not I can certainly forward a copy to uh to Mark okay uh you know make sure he has a copy of it um in in reference to post treatment there's still a little bit of discussion about that um Jeff Cordo had said you know sometimes um Town agencies you know want that uh he doesn't feel feel um that it's a necessary requirement U because you're you know you're going in there and you're just pulling the weeds the only thing that you're actually going to disturb uh is maybe you know the the bed of the pond uh because as you pull these weeds it's you know it's going to disturb the bottom of the pond and it's going to create a little bit of turbidity and um it may increase some of the bacteria levels but from what Jeff says it should only be for about a day or so uh just because you're you're mixing up correct you know the the pond bed you know all of the uh uh the biomass that settle down to the bottom so well since it was four years ago I mean prior to starting you think we should take another sample and then we could take one after and see what's going on and even during or even during and see how this is being like moved or not moved or is it affecting it I mean if we do a water test system before and then we do one either during or after and we say Hey you know it calm down everything went back to the original we're in good shape but if it doesn't then we have to look and say hey wait a second here things are off right I mean like you said you did it four years ago that's kind of an awful long time um that's my own opinion mine well I mean I would I would think that within four years time the water quality would not change that much we got more growth we got more boats we got more fishing we got a lot more in the last four years right I just think it's kind of a good idea I mean the rest of the committee can I I agree I agree I think that there needs to be an established starting point and I I think that's it's a great idea especially we all know this is a long-term project uh it's a good stepping stone and a stepping stone for the future for the water quality M and it's transparent for everyone to see yeah yeah and and I don't think it would be a big deal to do uh it's just a matter of finding a reputable organization you know whether it's you know the state that's going to do it themselves which I don't believe they would but I mean even if I were to get back in touch with Solitude and say hey could you guys come on out and and you know just give us a water quality assessment uh right you know I mean maybe there won't be so you know maybe there won't be any hard feelings cuz we you know kind of put them aside because they wanted to do the herbicide use and they were very expensive when it came to wanting to do the U you know the Eco Harvester yeah or or you know they had a different method uh I can't remember what it was called but it was it was a little bit more expensive um compared to what Jeff is offering to do for us yeah um so yeah I mean I could reach out I'm sure you know some of the Personnel probably have you know changed roles so I I still have some contacts there I think I could always reach out yeah I'm sure there's other C all I'm saying is we four years ago we get it done now we can compare them two and then when we're into this we can compare it then right so now we get it right across our board what's happening and if it's acceptable to you you maybe I could reach out to some of my old professors at UMass Dartmouth and see if they would be willing to you know have some students go out there and do some water quality testing that's yeah I mean I don't think we care where it comes from and if as long as they're qualified I think it's a good starting point right let's start out at base zero get uh qualities we look at both of them from 2020 to now and then after the work or during the work get another one and then after and let's see what this Pond's actually doing right yeah yeah and and also uh the last meeting I had mentioned that there were some water quality stations that the state did monitor uh in certain areas of uh I think three of the ponds uh I had done a little bit of research into that and those water quality stations uh are no longer active uh the last testing I think that was performed was back in 2000 so I do have some water quality data from that 2000 study granted you know we're talking 24 years ago but we can look back 20 years we can look back to when Solitude last did it and then of course we could look back or look ahead to what we're going to do before the application in 2020 do they have specific spots they used in the pond uh I I don't I don't honestly know if there were I think there's five set sampon stations but well he he's I think he's talking about the the 2020 study that was done 2020 because if so I'd like to try to go to the same spot right that's how you get the most accurate R reading right y uh I I do not know if there was any particular locations in which Solitude had done their study well when you talk to them you can always ask and say you know if if you if you do go back out there can we try to do it the same spot they might have a a Latin long on it or whatever you know right yeah and it would make sense to to get this you know the sampling from you know the exact same or at least near it Le close to it as Mr chairman if I could please Scott where do we stand on the uh the Deep watering um the um storage the hall the disposal um of of the weed remediation have have we um had conversation with a Kush it I know you had mentioned this we uh we haven't had any discussion with the DPW just yet okay um during during the early stages of this new proposal of pulling the weeds um there was a little bit of discussion with Dan manard um and you know it was kind of just casual discussion between um Mr walner and and Mr Bernard um in reference to you know can we store this stuff in the tow yard uh you know dewatering obviously would be through Jeff uh he would be best to handle that information as to where he's going to store it for dewatering um and then obviously transport and Disposal would be through DPW it's my understanding that um we could utilize DPW trucks uh to haul it to the town yard and just use use it for compost after it's been Dew right have you looked into seeing if you could get any um volunteers from uh the town itself maybe somebody would be willing to rent a truck or like just use the truck for the day or something just to help out that's possible um the other option uh we could uh I think Jeff also has the availability of being able to truck it to the toyard so if we don't want to use our uh you know Town vehicles uh I I don't know if there would be a feed because it's well he was the travel distance from you know where the pawns are to the DPW Yard you know it's a two-minute ride not even that um so you know maybe after some discussion with Jeff I can find out uh see if that's a service that he can offer us uh you know being able to truck it once it's been de watered so my last question is is as far as the um when the remediation happens um the storage um of I'll I'll call it the product that's taken from the bottom of the lake do we do we know if in fact that we can store that on site there without compromising um the Integrity of the bodies of water or the body of water that's there are we are we allowed to do this I I believe you can um because all you're really doing is you're just taking the biomass or or the weeds and you're just bringing it to the Shoreline and as it dewaters it's just naturally going to flow back into the into the ponds uh so whatever little water you're taking out you're just allowing it to flow back into the ponds I don't think there would be any need for any um you know like coril logs or anything like that I don't think you would have to use any kind of erosion controls because you're just you know you're just taking is biomass is large clump of weeds and just allowing it to dewater and just allowing the water to get back into the pond where it belongs uh did you did you ever um contact the planning board or anything to see if they have any ideas on what could be causing the rapid weed growth in the first place no no I haven't contacted the planning board uh I'm not sure if the planning board would be privy to any of that information uh to be honest with you um they would be the ones that would be in charge of all the projects around that area and stuff correct right I imagine that they would be or or Board of Health if it was relating to septic systems or anything like that did you contact anybody in regards to seeing what the uh what could be possibilities of why we got there such a high rate of the nitrogen I believe it was so so I did contact uh I can't remember her name from the Board of Health but she was nice enough to give me the information as to what prompted the closures of the ponds to begin with when it comes to swimming Goose um it was somehow related to geese uh an overabundance of goose droppings that elevated the pH levels and and you know made the water unswimmable um so it was between the town of M kushna and the city in New Bedford that made that decision to uh close off the pond for swimming swimming waiting you know any water related type activities uh since then um you know if you go out there during the summer you you know you'll see people water skiing on the south Pond uh you see people kayaking and and boating so I I think the water quality is probably much much better than it was compared to that I think it was back in 90 might have been 93 or 97 when they did the closure so the pond has rebounded I think water quality wise um but you know they still don't want to open up any beaches or open up the swim you got um Mr chairman can um so I think to to a couple points here the water quality monitoring plan as I understand it was included in the original proposal put forth um by the Lake Street committee and that had to do with when when the plan was to potentially use herbicides right so I think at this point I I and my apologies not to these are some draft I conditions they're pulled out of this uh it's a state guidance for aquatic plant Management in lakes and ponds and they have um a number of specific recommendations that speak to what we're talking about here like what to do with disposing of of of the weeds once they've been removed um the DM uh Department of marine fisheries I I recall that they they had three specific recommendations in in the letter we received one was if there is going to be a water monitoring plan we should you know spell out the parameters and we discussed that last time um Mr dag and I I both have been in communication with State D about questions about water quality monitoring there these existing stations whether or not they would be willing to help expand a program to try to answer some of these questions you know um Trends and and try to narrow down sites they provided uh this is I provided five or six pages out of a 500 page water quality report that that they sent um and and it relates specifically to to these these palms and legs so it's it's they have a long-term data set that that can answer I believe some of these questions in terms of the trends I think ideally it'd be great to to be able to actively Monitor and and try to identify where these excess nutrients are coming from but I personally have based on some conversations Scott and I have had it seems to me in a perfect world that would be great but it might be something to follow up with uh Scott said trying to find someone at UMass Dartmouth there there's three or four Master's thesis in there they've got to be and there's money for some of this stuff so I guess I'm of the opinion that in terms of the water quality monitoring to rely on on what the state is all already collecting Buzzards Bay I don't know exactly where they're collecting their samples but they seem to be D referred us to to to some of their reports um and the other the other two I remember from DMF were the time of year for River Herring uh blue back and alwives and then eels that are up in there and then the third recommendation I remember was what uh Scott and I believe uh Eric you were mentioning uh Jimmy about developing a specific plan to to deal with the removal you know you know several recommendations all related to removal of of of the um invasive and other weeds and how how they were going to be disposed of so those were the three things I can remember but uh again my apologies these are just I these ideas for some special conditions uh I think speak to some of the concerns that that were being raised and Scott and I have had several conversations um because I I think it's a a good project and again back to water quality it' be great if we could sample above a stream and below it and do some kind of longterm thing but I don't know if we have the capabilities to do that or that's you you have the resources to do that so I'm just I'm throwing that out there as um something for consideration um and in in absence of that we would continue to rely on what what what we're already getting from the state which they have a uh a plan were they're sampling different watersheds so at some point I can't tell you the year but they'll cycle back here which gives us the long-term trms but that's my two cents so Mr chairman um has Jeff given you any indication of uh the amount that he might uh develop on a daily basis you know so just in you know in terms of volume yeah so so in early talks um when he and I first met and we did our little walk through of the ponds uh he expressed to me that generally he can do about an acre to an acre and a half an acre to an acre and a half per day um because as the as the machine starts pulling up more weeds it slows down because the machine gets heavier so uh you know they have to make multiple trips to unload uh onto the the shoreline and you know go back out so generally I think in about a a or an 8 hour day uh it's it's usually an acre to about an acre and a half right but I'm I'm referring to volume to volume does he have you we talking uh couple yards are we talking five yards maybe or you know just um in relation to volume no I have not asked I'm just curious if he had you know any idea no I have not comes to removal and Disposal um you know it would probably be helpful to know maybe you know what type of volume is going to uh be created right yeah and then also when he tells us what uh what did he give you a ballpark of what equipment exactly he's going to be bringing cuz like if like like Christian just stated now if he comes out and he pulls out 100 yards does he have a way to stack 100 yards on the shoreline or are we going to have to bring in an excavator of our own to stack the material is it going to be materials throughout a large area or it could be cuz there's going to be if we're just using one loading dock that's a lot you would imagine and then one acre if you look at a regular field and look at a one acre I I'd be guessing you know 2 in of soil you're talking hundreds of yards and same thing with weeds like you go to Mo your lawn for an example how many times are you dumping that bag and that's only a lawn the front lawn never mind an acre no it's a really good point well yeah you know when are we talking inol terms of volume on a basis being being created um as far as how everything will be handled disposed and so on or even the SC he probably has that number in the back of his head this is what he does well no I just I mean you looked at the point probably helpful to I would like see I would like to see a plan in the in in the sense of this whole operation once he gets to shore like whatever jersey baras with um you know straw wle or whatever on on Shore before it gets truck to where it's going CU I I looked back in emails that I exchanged with um Lakeville when I when you did the initial um inquiry into this and I reached out to their chairman of the Conservation Commission and they said that you know like the in terms of volume it's it's big initially but it shrivels down to n oh yeah just about that was a question no time yeah right it don't take long but you know but how long could you leave it on the sh like much is going to need need to be handled right yeah I think there should be parameters how much sits in in the parking lot or wherever or designated area going to be a I know I'd like i' like to see a little more specific on and on the other thing we just did do a substantial amount of work in the parking lot and stuff I wouldn't see wanting to put it in the parking lot right that aquatic is it's pretty dense correct in those areas that you're going to be uh yeah yeah yeah yeah the areas that we want to hit are you know the most impact again you know you're saying possibly an acre in in an average day right yeah that could be you know volume wise that could be quite a bit I guess it could that's oh it could and then like you were saying with the truck in now are we going to need eight are we going to need trickles are we going to need 18 me are we going to need one time now if it's it's only 2 minutes down the road but created you know even if it shrinks 50% but the other thing you got to look at if they go take an acre and a half and there a 100 yard pile can they put another 100 out there tomorrow well that's that's what I kind of trying to days in a row that's it's a small window it's it's kind of a small relatively small window of time and money right in in a sense funding for this project initially I get it I guess just like to see Ito I agre I agree 100% there there was a couple things I mean I just got this draft special conditions tonight so I don't you know no no problem I just uh I mean we got a little time here too we have to figure that out I mean something you can discuss with Jeff to Scott right and say Hey listen you know at the pawns I'd like to you know get a get a list of the pressing issues like I think that's probably I could do with the water quality monitoring I get it love in a perfect world I'd love to see it but that costs a lot of money and that takes away from the the scope of the project and if the state's doing it already on their own you know time I think and especially like time wise now if we're going to try to get him to be moving this too like if like one truck or 10 trucks like two minutes add up drastically cuz he's going to probably be operating for what like a week right seven days we're hopeful that we can get five days out of him in August because he's got other locations here like you know Long Pond that's still an ongoing project so August is the prime time when you want to hit these weeds so he's going to be you know in Lakeville doing Long Pond for a week or however long and then you know he'll he'll you know take care of Lake Street uh I assume probably 5 days maybe 8 hour days I I hope so yeah I8 hour days okay and then then you said an acre a day I mean acre an hour no an acre no an acre a day day acre a day 5 Acres that's uh the only other concern 40 I would think would be what what's the length of the dewatering process as well in terms of how long it's material so oh from you know start to yeah I guess that would depend on how of if it's an enormous volume uh could be something to consider I would think yeah you would want to know exactly how long that I don't imagine it's overnight is it I mean is it overnight is it you know yeah I pull it out of there the following day you know you I remember when I so I had I realiz weather is a factor as well I had um had the privilege to I think I was bringing my daughter to the pond or something in Lake in Lakeville when they were doing it they they were that they weren't even doing any water deep watering over there they were just backing uh dump trailer 14,000 gbw dump trailer so 20 something yard 20 yard 23 you can probably sneak on it they were just backing that up to the waterline and then they were unloading from the machine to into the trailer into the trailer hauling it off site so that's where like you were saying with yardage maybe they were hauling it off site because they didn't have a big cuz now now if we have to bring in uh we'll say uh 307 or something um that it cost a substantial amount of money to move that and to run that kind of Machinery too on our town end and time wise I mean these are all things you got to talk to Jeff right say hey can you give us a ball pocket volume say this is what my commission's looking for right yeah I just like to know yeah really the it's the dewatering and then if it's done off site I mean that's that's fine at the yard or whatever but just some sort of containment plan if it is going to be de watered off site volume and you still got to get it the amount of time now if it's getting dewed off site now when now when he was explaining that the water was going to drain into the pond that's no longer that's going to be become another issue cuz or have a staging area and once they find out how much volume is coming out her Day have an area designated for her I'd just like to see more of a plan than just like oh yeah we're just going we're going to goe right right that's basically what you know and you all that can be determined by Bas think so talking talking to him you know at this time I haven't been in a lot of communication with Jeff just because when it comes to the notice of intent he's kind of you know letting you do your own thing he's kind of in The Dugout he's not really you know just waiting to get the board go and go uh but you know with the questions that you guys are presenting or you know the committee is you know the commission is presenting uh obviously I'll send those questions to him and get answers and you know cuz I would like to see it Deed on site because you don't want if there is any fines or anything going into any other body of water so it makes more sense to be there but the volume would be the you know the determining factor I think oh definitely going to be the volume Mr chairman I don't know who mentioned it but it was mentioned before it might be as easy as plastic on the hill put the pile of top and let the water run right back into the pond right now we're not trying to like contain it hold it let it all go back to where it came from and that might be the easiest thing but like everyone saying we don't know I mean is it 60 ft long that we got to do you know what I mean the issue there also is you know the availability of the space so obviously the pawn with the boat ramp ideal pained area plenty of space to be able to store whatever we pull out where would you store the other trick would be oh there's plenty parking area if you take up you know a parking space or two or three or four it's not like you know well y take up most of the beach 100 yard is a lot of depends on unless you have the equipment to handle it correct corre pile it up stack it up do whatever even if we piled it up now the whole dewatering is going to be different because now it's going to be stacked on top of each other longer it might take longer or it might be less because you could think of it as a SP compression might come down and push more water out so I mean these are the things I think you should ask Jeff and um it's stuff that we're going to want to see before we say the go right yeah yeah and I'm going to have to confer with Jeff anyways because of you know storage locations for the other two pawns uh the small Pawn across from to Davis you know that's not a very big lot and it's all you know gravel or dirt or whatever you want to call it so you know he's going to have to I would assume that he would come down and take a better look and and and you know get a better idea as to you know where he's going to be able to store this stuff the north the South Pond you know he's going to have to look and see what's available there be challenge right now you there might be a resident in town with all ups that just says hey you store that's fine too as long as it's you know not stored I there is wetland behind the DPW Yard could be that that would be my watering there yeah I agree with that what kind introduce it what kind of how how what's uh we just went over the new bford isn't a very good timeline but how how's your timeline been going with oh his name's Jeff you saying again how's your response time with him it's usually pretty quick he usually emails me within a day what how how much time do you think you would need for to get some of these questions answered that we have well our next meeting is in a month so I I imagine you think you I the holidays coming up but I mean it's the 15th is our next meeting I think you can get those questions for the next Mee you guys want you guys have any more questions I'm oh so Mr chairman I was I was I I know the DMF letter ID is what exactly what being discussed here you know the the devils in the details you know what are the steps and I and I'm happy if if um you know to help um follow up on some of those things if it's if it's helpful um and put together like I keep thinking hup but it's not really you know like the you know this some more of the details to to lay out yeah yeah so so so I know some of the questions have been raised to to present to Jeff I I think the best thing to do in my opinion would be you know just you know because I know questions have been thrown from you know various different people you know just just tally up all the questions have you know Mr mitton send me an email with you know a list of questions and concerns that you know Jeff I I can present to Jeff uh I'll shoot that email out to him and he usually gets back to me within a day or two think mainly mainly it's only the what the dewatering and the volume yeah this's two question that's the two kick is right there yeah how long it takes to do water it's not and the trucking yeah uh we could probably just write a note for him at the end of this meeting or something too no Joan's making all the notes M can get them from her and we can take and send an email to Scott and let Scott do his own work with Jeff and then by the next meeting we should have some of the most of these answered correct oh yes even if Jeff's got to you know you suggest him to take a walk at it again right because the guy's been doing it so long he should be able to look at okay if I'm going to do this AO oh that probably looks like 150 yards right once you get used to doing something you do get familiar you take a glance you know ball pocket it might be 100 to 125 whatever but it then it'll start giving us some numbers what that parking lot or that beach is going to look like right I mean the beach is we can always you know throw fabric paper down store it on top of fabric paper and like I said use plastic or something let it run back into the pond but let's see what volumes are and everything else is going for yeah and those are questions that we can ask Jeff you know how do we approach that and you know his process in doing that to make sure that everything's done appro and maybe uh maybe like getting like specific areas that are worse than others you guys as the fisherman might be able to help him be able to judge like well you guys could help judge on M saying oh well we look over here it's not really that bad over there but over there yeah you know all right so um so you're okay with continuing to the January 15th meeting once you get these questions answered I really those are the only pressing questions that I got I don't have any issues going over these the special order of conditions um there's nothing you know that I think's too crazy in there that you know it's all pretty standard it seems to be um and many of those again are drawn from this uh and looking at looking at the notice uh the order of conditions from Lakeville from what I remember there was there was a turtle protection plan in there but that I mean that would be you guys if you know it was it was pretty is it natural heritage no no it was um it was a plan that they had in place it was just a just a sweep for the day you know I think I sent that to you at some point yeah I think it was red bellied cter that Jeff explained that typically what they'll do is if you know they try Oh They'll yeah they do the best that they can they come across to observe what's coming up the conveyor belt and if they see a turtle they stop the belt you know put it you know put it gently back in the P yep make a motion motion to continue to thean January 15th meeting at 6 p.m. here at the town hall meeting so moved second all those in favor all right thank you Scott see you in January young man thank you I appreciate your time all right uh next order of business public hearing notice of int 10 Deep Brook Estates LLC pack drive and deep Brook Drive map 17 and 18 lot 6668 70 73 74 75 77 79 80 81 83 84 and Lots 18 18g 12s and 12r SC file number 001 0598 notice intent was filed by deep deep Rook Estates LC property located at P drive and deep book drive chush at Mass deep Rook States the applicant proposes to finish construction on a on two subdivision roadways in drainage for the development of a 15 lot single family residential subdivision within the 100 foot buffer zone a boorder during vegetated Wetland due to an expired order of conditions the applicant is represented by jie vet of Z Consulting Engineers LLC plan name is De Brook States and a definitive subdivision plan on Par Drive offici of M dated October 24th 2017 review of matters presented votes may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open the public hearing so moved is there a second second all those in favor um Jamie B um requested in continuance to the January 15th meeting at 6: p.m here at the town hall meeting room so is there a second second all those in favor okay new business extension of order of conditions Eric the baros halfway road map 14 Lot 4C SC file number 001 0570 a request for an extension to an existing order of conditions was filed for SE file number number 001 0570 for property located at hathway road map 14 Lot 4C the applicant proposes to construct a single family dwelling septic system in a 12T wide gravel driveway along the 50 along with a 50 by 80 foot Barn garage shortly uh southernly from the dwelling within 100 foot bu zone of a bordering vegetated Wetland the applicant is represented by Dave Divan of the Schneider div own plan name is sewers Disposal system site plan for halfway Road dated November 18th 2021 revised December 10th 2021 review matters presented votes may be taken chman I need to recuse myself okay is refusing this um so the commission conducted a site visit on Saturday I was on able to attend um but Eric go ahead yeah Dave was unfortunately Dave wasn't uh able to make it to this meeting today but I prepared just a small a small summary of what I got going on there as a project and just like trying to get a little base of a learning curve on such project that's not quite the normal project of a that comes in front of you guys thank you welcome we don't have the poster do can't really point it out but hold huh hold it no it's okay it'll be a little bit all right good evening aish conservation my name is Eric de BR and I am uh working on a single fam dwelling on an offset lot off a halfway Road in Fushion it uh the project has uh yet to receive the address but for additional information the Project's do number is SE 001 0570 map 14 uh Lot number 4 SE at this at this time I would like to go over my site plans to give you a better understanding of the project this project is unique compared to the usual ones presented to you with some key differences first uh first i' I am recycling all materials on site including trees dirt and rocks all trees that have been or are being taken down are going on a sawmill on site and they will be turned into dimensional Lumber additionally I will bring in trees from offsite jobs to use to con to construct the barn the house including walls floors um countertops shelving pretty much the whole thing front to back um any wood that does not use uh that is not useful for building is set aside for firewood or put through a chipper and will uh will be given away or processed into decorational Munch mulch towards the end of my project uh the sawdust is uh also re cycled often used as with bartering for materials like manure which I use for the lone mixture uh F material the farmer also used the sawdust and and they use that for like livestock chickens horses they use it for beding and all that good stuff uh all this recy like I just said all the soils will be recycled on site I have already started these steps all the dirt you see at the back of the property has been screened and kept covered as best as possible unfortunately the site is very windy um I stripped all the loom off the off uh stripped all the loom out of the driveway area and rented a top-of-the-line screener to screen all the LOM into three separate materials the main materials that come off the screener is the loan and after that you get two off two different byproducts one being any stone about a/ in to 3 in large in the size and the other being larger rocks and roots and uh and that uh hold on and roots that didn't de uh hold on en large rocks and Roots uhoh I think I have a typle here sorry about that didn't Decay over oh and anything oh yeah that didn't Decay over the two years cuz I have to let before you can screen the soil you have to let the soil sit and turn it and dry and Decay and it kind of recycles itself automatically so whatever that whatever doesn't recycle or like the larger stones and stuff come off the front end and you can use that for I'll get into that um uh the small Stone will be used for has been used for the base of the driveway in some sections and it is uh it's a very good compatible soil uh which is also good for drainage which is beneficial at my sight because uh it's very wet it's a very wet website the the big rocks in exed uh exceeding roughly 6 in to about 2 ft will be crushed into uh dense grade material that can be used under the foundations and anything really like structural structural so after you get all that you take all that material which you guys probably seen at the site the screening was done late fall so it's kind of been a mess and I've been fighting cuz as soon as it starts raining I have to shut the site down um so after that use that for all underneath any rocks stage with that said I'd like to I put together a detailed project description to set to with steps to have already that I have already done and a rough timeline on some of the steps I have not yet performed all these steps are roughly being done depending on weather and budget all right so we started I started the project off by installing station fence in the beginning half of my project um I am solely doing this on my own for the most part I every once in a while will be able to outreach and hire people to come help me so it's really tough with being such a large sight to like keep up with everything so I started with this blue section here we originally I originally put the silt fence down and then that would be step number one number two the next step after that was to dredge out this whole section that's in this pink here uh reason being you got to get rid of all the soils that with just like being an Old Farm there was a lot of loone you got like 2 ft of loone before you even hit like any like decent soil which is that compactible and will hold like a vehicle going over it or something that's where the recycling comes into play in a drastic area because to spend the money to bring in the material is a lot of money so you can reuse it usually larger companies will take all this loan they'll take it offsite they'll do it offsite and then they'll sell it to other products I kind of just took all that out of the equation and I do it all myself in a smaller more unique way of saving money it's more putting time and work into it than spending the money all right uh number three was can uh doing an access road like the temporary access roads with me doing everything at site some of the roads you saw out there they're not they're not permanent Road ways um I'll get into it a little later that I wasn't really ready to start the project when I did too that was like another hot a little hiccup that I had going through that I had to overcome so like all the spots with the red that's kind of like the loop you guys saw that coming in a lot of that uh it was cold that day so it's probably a very very high but that gets really Mucky and stuff still in there because I have not yet pulled all the top so s off of that area all right uh so yeah that those roadways are not functional for future reference that's just temporary to so I can kind of section like logs go here and I try to keep it all in a rotational like I said I'm doing it all myself so I got to kind of it looks like a mess but in my head it's actually going in a sequential order and some of the stuff like I had to when I took down the trees from one area I have to temporar rest store at one spot till I get that area cleared to set the mill up and then put it in a manner where it's a time efficient manner all right uh the next thing I done we're in completed so the next thing I did was put up the erosion control um in the back piece so this back piece over here you guys uh saw this is more so this piece is the piece I had um gotten to mostly this year throughout the project um I put in all the erosion control on the back and I uh tried to it wasn't shown on the original plan I put a little more erosion control here and just tried to box it in because that was no longer this is all done and vegetated so I kind of at that point when it got vegetated I kind of started slacking on worrying about the silt fence over here because in my order conditions it stated that after that area was vegetated I wasn't I wasn't responsible to have saltation device in that section so then I started coming into this area um at this time I have removed most all of the trees and stuff in that area um also after I yep that's going to come up number five if you guys are falling Along on your paper was cutting down all the St the tree then the stumps you see in the back side of the property so you got the screen LOM that is kind of like just sitting there being waiting patiently to be used and then there's a big pile of stumps well all those stumps were all from in here and uh I used all the I just put them in the back I try to uh dispose of them in the least uh expensive way possible I do own a tree company um sometimes I'll put them in other dumpsters because they charge me a certain rate for the dumpsters no matter what I put in them so I'll sneak one of my uh stumps or so in it and that way I don't have to pay for a whole dumpster and I can uh return give my customer a better number on what I can do the job for so that's where all those stumps in the back are coming for and then after that I grubbed that whole area all in the back with a machine and then I took some more of those tailings in between that that's just like a rough estimate list of how I performed it I took some of those tailings that's how I got that back area all nice and level and I uh put a lot of the tailings in it coming back to that like 1 inish to 3 in stone makes it nice and compactible and then it also unfortunately when I was screening it decided to rain on me so there was a little more alone left in that section than I anticipated so it's a little lomy but it works really good with water flow and in Wetland areas because it allows the water to freely move through the stone it's not like putting a like like I was saying it was a lot of LOM in that area so you don't want to put like 2 feet of dense grade and for one it's super expensive and for two the water can't flow through it underneath so you want to put a nice Stone base on the bottom which allows the water to flow through freely and then eventually I'll probably cap it or depending on where the project exactly goes in the FAA future um I might end up just loing that area after I'm using it for my material and such um that's going to be the end of what I've completed I believe um grabbing took all the long material from the aess roads and SC C it yeah that kind of got mixed in all right so yet to be uh yet to become is going to be uh the next steps are got in front of me for this next year coming is going to be create a a starting area for to startop producing saw mil to saw Lumber and not I had to put a stop to everything cuz it started getting really messy and unprofessionally divided um I'm pretty sure you guys noticed like I had some Lo some cut Lumber in the front that's supposed to be it's firewood it hasn't got Chopped all the way up yet I kind of do it as I go but uh that it's all going to be removed all those logs that are all against uh the north side roughly where the septic system is uh that's all going to be moved um and then this section right here is going to be where I where that little uh temporary Shack as I built right there so I'm going to put a little leano off the side of it uh just temporary like uh you get them like off the side of a camper or something put it over there so I can uh Mill under rain and snow and usually I do most of my work in the winter time when I'm slow at work so this area is going to be where I st temporarily stack all those logs so all that's going to get moved so then I can have a nice flow of workflow here as I as I cut the logs I'm going to neatly stack them in one of these areas it all depends on the way the material sets you get set you get settling and all kinds of stuff throughout the project that you kind of got to just work with and especially like on a slow project like mine it's only one person I repeat like it's a long and hard and tons of work I got hours and hours and hours into this project all right right and I didn't mention it in my little thing but eventually I plan on taking there was a shed over here it was a little bit smaller not by a large amount it was a little smaller eventually um I'm going to take that shed and replace the other one where that one is shed temporary dwelling whatever you would like to call it and put it over there and make it permanent hopefully unless anybody has any other problems um with that all right uh also for next year I'm hoping to finally break around and uh get a garage up uh some might ask why are you going to do a garage first reason being is um I need somewhere to store this Lumber there steps to it you can't just take a tree put it on the mill SAR it and turn it into your house um I'm in the middle of another hiccup right now I've been trying to I talked to Andy by bowla and I've been trying to deal with a couple different Structural Engineers so I can get more of uh how do I say A Lumber list put together so for like all the structural beans I'm going to be doing post and bean Barn for all of that it has to be stamped and all that stuff so I'm going to have to have it all stamped and all and it's hard to find right now all right um now that I have gone over what I have done and what I have planned to do um for the near future I would like to point out a few things when I first started this project I was I was not fully aware of the laws nor did I was I fully aware of the Conservation Commission unfortunately this put me in a tight spot where I had to move forward with the project when I wasn't ready all right all right uh a lot of changes have come since I started the project in life uh and I first approached uh some of this some of your board members have remembered where I started and it was nowhere near where I am today at this time um as far as I my preparation work goes this is what I got and those are my goals for 2025 um at this time if you guys have any questions if I didn't explain myself well enough for you um I'd be glad to answer any questions you may have on the process on how it's not just now you guys know how it's not just a normal process where I'm hiring out other companies to do stuff how I'm recycling it's kind of in my eyes it's uh as green as it gets you're not you're not moving things you're not spending money on fuel to truck things off site on site you're doing everything right there on on site and uh it's a it's tough it as it is and as many hiccups as it is at the end of the day I feel it's going to be very rewarding questions comments yeah Mr chairman I have one um most of us never walked your sight before okay right we weren't there the first three years I know Everett you were and Heidi was I'd like to hear from Everett to see what the changes have been in the three years that he had this permit um and see what his expression is from there and then I have a couple other questions I'd like to bring up after I don't see a whole lot of progress looking at it with my eyes um the road seem the road into the property seems like it's a little more stable than it ever was um but I don't know it looks it did I'm I I can't say that I'm happy with the way it looks I think it's uh I think it's turning into almost a landfill type project I'm sorry to say that Eric I know you I know you're working at trying to work hard at at getting it resolved and but I I think you have to neaten it up you have to clean it up oh more you have to it's just I'm not against giving you an extension but you got to you got to show more progress than you show it the other thing I'd like to say Eric if you don't mind jamman is you have your trucks that temporary shed everything is closest to the wetlands as you can get it what about using the other side where there is no Wetlands why do you have it Down in the Hole so those are older trucks guaranteed they leak oil you're telling me the water goes right through the stones and everything M so your soap fence ain't going to stop oil period so that's why you need Waddles so my biggest thing is why put it there why jeopardize the wetlands the the reason I put it there is because I was advised by my engineer that that was the lowest point of the site that the water wouldn't flow as fast and also that that's going to be the part of the site that takes us the most fill if you were to look at the plans that side is supposed to be raised up more than what it is right now like I said it's not totally finished does it show on that uh what's that elevations yeah I believe it I believe it does yeah so that's what I'm saying if it's your lowest point why would you want a truck oil or anything well he told me it's just a it's just a smarter move in the process believe me I didn't want to cuz that I had to literally go out there and clear that whole lot and that set me back almost a year cuz I I had to clear it all stump it all get a bigger machine I didn't own any of that Machinery prior to buying the land I bought it all to go and do but if you moved it to the other side you'd be out of the buffer zone I I understand you sense that he I understand what you're saying I'm not against of it I'm just telling you the answer to your question and that's what I was advised to do so that's what I performed but knowing what you know today Eric what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and also in that section is the that's the only section in the plan if you look at the plans that's not going to be it's not going to be in the way the barn is off to the right the house is up to the left so for me to put it in where the Barn's going to go go I would have to set everything up try to build a barn around you can't build a barn around it I have to literally I have to move everything to construct so for now it has to go there and my trucks are wellmaintained like every other site we just went through it with endar their trucks even leak so I do understand what you're saying I do try to keep up with my equipment as best as possible cuz on a business aspect ER de baros I am very very keen on time and you got a tire moving if you catch a nail in it and you're not paying attention and you're not maintaining it will shut down your whole process not only for my process but when I'm going out and doing a job for somebody I want to make sure that wheel's continuously turning there's nothing like saying to a customer hey I'm sorry you know I slacked off on Grease in my escavator so you know it's going to take me four extra days now so I try to keep my maintenance I talking about M and I'm not talking about nothing else I'm talking about an old truck sitting there okay okay and is it going to drip yes it is and I'm just wondering if the seals are not correctly mean well either here nor there what I'm saying is why jeopardize the wetlands so we looked at another one where I told the guy take your log splitter away from the wetlands it was it's that simple because you never know if you blow a hose if you're doing it if you had the ability to get away from the wetlands why wouldn't you seriously I just told you yeah is it is there a possibility that you can move those Vehicles further away from they're not always park there to be honest usually they're all over the place sometimes I Pok them up at the top where the stone is if I'm walk working over where the stone is at the top of the property I'll have them over there now if I'm at the bottom of the property like I was just recently doing all the screening and all that stuff at the bottom of the property the machines are there they're going to be there regardless it doesn't matter the house the barn is all in the buffer zone so the trucks and all the equipment are going to be there it's an adorable so I am at this time and point in my project I do it as best as I can to keep the tire and the project moving so now if ever it wants me to get it done quicker you're going to have now you want me to do it and change everything I'm not going to be able to satisfy ever because now it's going to take me another 6 months to a year to move everything this way I can't just truck saying drive the truck well you mentioned hold on one second good evening members of the commission um not um offering this as assistance to the commission um just so you aware that Governor Healey in the end of November issued a permit extension act so any permits that were good between January of 2023 to 2025 get two years automatic yeah we're aware of that so if he's asking for an extension he may already the two years he guaranteed I he's guaranteed too but yeah watch three okay I just thought that maybe I apprciate sure continue what What er what else did you want to say look 15 I want to hear what you guys have to say first I wasn't I was just no no no it's fine don't continue fine just fine just continue um I have to concur with ER that I think some of the not just the Machinery but some of that material should be pulled back away from the buffone too so I mean you have ample space on that site so do the it's wet you can't really on Saturday was was there any breaches in the erosion control did there appear to be any material running into the wetlands um Ryan I'm sorry to interrupt you but I also went another extreme and I just there's a there's a rock wall that is on this plan instead of me just taking that rock wall and turning it into the other materials I had stated in the first place I just took that wall and replaced it and used it for a barrier to make sure nothing else would go in there so now it's got rock wall silt fence everything's so there's a for anything to get past that s fence like there would have to be a catastrophic flood like where every everybody would be underwater there's no way that oil floats to the top remember that I didn't say the oil um again I just thought you know some of the materials that you got scattered around could have been you know could you guys specify on what materials you would like me to move some of the that you already Mill and there was some was seemed like it was pretty close to the to the uh you talking the front no down by where your camper used to be there you got some bunch of boards there BS there vitation area right doesn't need to be quite so close to the yeah not that it's harmful necessarily but but it's in the you do have ample space that it doesn't you know so close to the I uh to the BBW I totally understand that um I'm going to mention one thing uh in the 310 CMR it does say that stacked firewood is exempt from being in the buffer zone that is firewood no it does it's firewood all right hey it's I'm not don't be getting all round up I'm not saying I would not move it I'm just stating for the facts um it's it's actually section uh it's going to be 10.02 um I do not have a problem though of know I'm not going to have a problem of going over there and trying to move that like I said I've been jumping around at that time I had the mill over there cuz the other end at the bottom would had trees falling down and the trees were 100t so I needed a 100t area open so that I could drop the I don't want you to jump through hoops it wasn't apparent to me that that was firewood is what I could 40 plbe no most of that that most of that's all getting turned into firewood that was when I started buing so when like I said I purchased all this equipment in the process of building so I had to do my own lving curves like such as Milling Lumber so those a lot of those Bulls if you didn't notice they have a lot of cupping they have a lot of cracking well no I didn't I didn't look at it so that's why it's getting all turned into firewood because I didn't properly Mill it and it was a learning curve so that's why that was there I have no problem moving that no um actually in fact I didn't um I wouldn't um I wouldn't mind at all and actually I would ask for at this time I'd like to ask for a continuance and if any nobody else has anything to say um I would like to ask for a continuance to the January 15th meeting maybe and that will give me sufficient time to get in there and I can pull those all those boards and stuff out of there we not going to go walk the site again I mean listen to what you what I'm saying photographs in Pro my way I don't think it's necessary truthfully my own personal opinion okay if you want to deny my no I'm not denying your continu what I'm saying as because I do believe you're going to move the boards right small little things right the two vehicles I think you should move them away from the Wetland yeah I can do that too so that's what I'm saying it's all easy things I don't think it needs to be a continuous or does Am I Wrong by saying that no it is a pretty wet site so there's clearly a lot of water flowing through the site there's no I I guess my biggest thing is I didn't go out to the site I've been out there multiple times um I know what the site looks like and if ever says it looks similar then I guess my biggest thing would be I know how he's he's working on this project yeah um I it I'm receptive to it and it's not an easy site so with that being said if if there was no observation of um filling of wetlands uh material eroding into Wetlands if erosion controls were in place the field the field was an issue at one point in time the field is completely stabilized that you could take those Stakes out of there thank you thank you in my opinion because there's no need for erosion control the order of conditions specifically says erosion control remains in place until the site area is stabilized the area of the site stabiliz so there's no need for take those Stakes out of there thank you horrible not with the trucks out though then no no no I'm just saying obviously you know that the entrance Drive driveway area right no no matter what the governor is going to give oh yeah a twoyear extension do I have a problem with giving him another year no I don't not at all good luck with your project that's my personal opinion on the other hand it's not that extension is not only to appease you guys but it's to appease me too I want to make sure that that law is definitely set in stone I was already as bu that I had that option uh I did my own research and from what research I had approved I had got the only thing with that law that was approved at the time that I did my own research was the wording so the wording was approved but nothing else was approved she signed she signed the bill regardless of the fact all right so then I I can withhold I can take back my extension too just get my 2 years and that should be sufficient for what I'm looking to do at this time and then 2 years I could maybe change some stuff come in for an amendment or something things can change so why don't we just uh if that is the case um I would still ask for the continuous just so I know for my own wellbeing and I know when nobody's making mistakes I'm taking everybody's word I'm just a very cautious person and where my I I haven't heard anything from town Council I heard that it's not in writing and done it's not in Wen and it's not done until Jan uh January 13th so if I get continued to the January 15th meeting I have time to ask and talk to my councel and make sure that he tells me that that is in writing CU now if I cuz now if I go ahead and I don't go for this and have this February is it the 20th February a 90day cooling off period November 20th whatever yeah but I just want to make sure it still it would still apply to his project saying January 13th it'll be done it ain't no no I'm saying I'm saying February 20th January 5 13th was the date that I was told that it was supposed to be signed and then there was supposed to be a grace period that he I'm not sure that's the whole reason why I Contin that's the whole reason why I continued to come forward and I wanted to tell you guys opinion on what you would like to see so I know for future reference what to look out on this project now I know future project that you don't want to see my trucks near the Wetland so I'm going to make a point for myself not to have just good common practice right I mean truthfully yes it all depends on where you are different boards different people different feelings it's it's just how unfortunately it's how it is cuz some some towns you go into they're like yeah whatever as long as you're not going through and you're not devastatingly taking down trees and spots you don't have to and this you're fine other people want to Eric I don't want to cut you off um so this I'd like to continue it for now that's all or we can you know I was going to entertain a motion to extend the order conditions we can always do that that what would change it on the on the 15th other than me being able to verify I don't know I don't know how that would work with cuz your your order conditions expires on the 19th 19 or 18 19 right there not you haven't yeah 18th issued on I thought it was I thought it was before 9 it's the 19 okay if you want I'm just trying to drop my eyes guys that's all understood okay if you want to continue yeah just I just want to make sure that law is in effect and is it's not really a it's not it's not hearing it's just a me right he he do advertisement or anything no I understand if he wants to continue this to the next the next meeting if some odd reason that bill does not P doesn't go through or maybe it is I didn't have time to reach out I actually recently just had a truck stolen off my ad so my time's been all tied up so I'm just trying to make sure that I have all my laws all my stuff just kidding yeah I know you Lu ER all so with that said we we'll continue we can continue to the I'll entertain a motion to continue this to the 15th to the 15th at 6: p.m. so mov second all those in favor all that's oh one abstention oh you know oh that's ever up stains he has he a be all right thank you guys I appreciate it okay next order of business discussion 324 Main Street review of pro proposed restoration plan review of matters presented votes may be taken good evening members of the commission you doing Brad good I didn't print off seven copies so between you that's fine I read I looked over the email thank you for being so patient it's been my pleasure ohar that's right right I was able to uh with Jim and Mark on site um we looked at the Wetland area and the area that that Jose had cleared um I know that Jose's been in front of you and been working with the commission and we've um discussed putting this proposal together and working under an enforcement order so that we can have a friendly enforcement order and work together on this so I think that's what we're we're our hope is and I think that's where we're going most definitely so what we've done is um if you see we've delineated the limit of the Wetland we uh flagged it by analyzing soils and then we GPS located each one of the Wetland flags and overl it onto an aerial image and that allows us to come up with a a plan and some area calculations and save Jose this the the cost of a surveyed site plan um So based off that information we were able to um Define the Wetland area clearing limit was within the bordering vegetated a good portion of it um there was also work within the buffer zone and I think the conservation commission's really interested with that first 25 ft from the edge of the Wetland out so we've designated on that second sheet a wetland restoration area which is approximately 18,000 Square ft it's a large area and then the yellow shaded area is the buffer zone restoration area that we're proposing to restore um that area if you as you know was all Spruce that he had removed and then continued into the Wetland not knowing uh what the conditions were so when you're looking at those plans that correlates to the to the step-by-step restoration that we're proposed um we're proposing restoration within the the Wetland so kind of listing it out by task so that uh he can um implement this the steps that uh you know hopefully with my overview and coordination with Mark um what we're proposing is to clean up the area and revegetate it and Reed it as I said it is a it's a large area so what we're proposing on doing for restoration with replanting is to use seedlings be root seedlings um so we get tree species and shrub species and use those bear Roots so that he can um get those in the spring do the restoration work this winter that as much as he can get set up for the spring they'll ship the be root stock material and then he can interplant with the with the seedlings in the spring um within the the 25 foot buffer zone where the the stumps are remaining from the sprues which are you know a foot or too high we're proposed to cut those flush grind the stumps where we can and then there's a lot of wood chips on site so we just spread the wood chips in that 25 foot buffer zone area and leave it as is so and then put markers some post with some conservation signage at the 25 ft no disturb um and that would be our our restoration of the the 25t buffer um I can go further into detail but that's an overview what what we're proposing um it's a a lot of work but Jose has the equipment and be able to do it and and uh he can't really hide very well on Main Street so I'm sure the commission will be stopping in as well so we'll all be we'll all be assist Jose on his his work but I think that if uh you know he carries out by step by step and some coordination he'll be set up for the spring and he'll be able to carry this out well like I like you said Mack and I was a had the pleasure of walking with you and just really looking at the site and um I think uh Jose I think you get your hands full um it is quite big but um I think it's something he can handle uh the other thing I just wanted to mention was to Jose when he told me he drives around to go hay in his barns that ain't going to be available to you no more Jose and that's quite all right all right go through your field yeah go through your Corral go whatever you got to do just know through the paddocks and then the other thing is did you take your equipment off of that and were you it's moved up higher where you suggested all right yeah so that area you and I were looking at you're going to stay away from and everything else beautiful I canly nice I try any I think you I mean I really do I think this friendly order is really really um a good thing um it's an enforcement it's friendly it's I mean you're a town resident we can't make you go broke but we do have to do what's right so with us all working together it's we're going to get both right you're not going to go broke and we're going to get what we want so I think it's a really good plan um I did look at all your plants and everything we in your office and you got a lot of them and uh I think it's really going to bring that place back to Wetlands the way it belongs and um I think it's a good going forward yeah try to get a variety of species so there in little diversity there yeah you did your your your variety looked very good and um I actually looked into a few just to see what they were because I don't know all the plants and it it was impressive how you pulled them out and which ones you chose and um I was very impressed with that and uh I think it's going to be a really good step in the right direction to get this moving and get it going in the right way great I had uh looked over the the plan uh only I did notice one thing it said something about hand planting all these plants is there any way you could he could just use the machine they're he's going to have to go in there with the machine to pull everything out I don't I just don't see the point in having it in the plan where now he has to go out and dig 250 holes by hand they're be root you take a b put it in the ground make a hole put it in close it up they're saplings that's when I was reading it it said three to something oh I might have read it wrong it said inches not feet did it yeah so they all most of the time I mean I've seen a lot where someone just uses a um a fertilizing bar stick it in the ground pull it pull the bar out put it in take your heel close it back up yeah I was I I read it wrong I was like he's going to be able to go in with a machine and take everything out but he's not going to be able to go in there and dig the holes with the machine are you giving him a blueprint of where to plant and how to plant and what to plant well we have the blueprint here with the what the plant and once he gets the stock I'll kick it off with him so that we're going over it in the field beautiful and uh one other thing too is uh is it it's possible he this he could he could grow start these things himself right like get not by Spring yeah well no he could he can inow you can buy an indoor setup offline very cheap and you can start them indoors if you get the se you might be able to start they wouldn't be 18 to 24 in at the time of the spring I think by the time you could do that it would be something that would be kind of fun to do but by the time spring came around we wouldn't have that height and he'd probably spend more money in trying to grow and buy electric by the time he spend for the seedling what's the grow pattern on those very slow yeah they're they're you know a couple years old or so you know I mean you're talking you know almost a you know a Seedling the trees are 18 to 24 in you might get something like this big so it's like a 2year growth yeah so it could take some time okay but we're also going to seed it too so and and he has a decent amount that's already revegetated already that's coming coming along so yeah I think you can see that and even when we saw that I mean he's got the ruts from the tractor and everything else but who cares right it's grow in itself nothing's ever level and Plum you know flat and level in the field anyway so it's growing let it go and have it you know what I mean I agree 100% that it is coming back in a lot of areas and to stay away from them right it doesn't matter what it looks like just let it come back right exactly I agree 100% right yeah I was just trying to think so you can save some money but if that's the best route just buying these things I think that's a great idea too and your biggest thing you have to look out truthfully is the deer in the fall they love that area that is true yep well someone else planted a bunch of Maples and I asked I said are they all gone he said no and I said go take a look and he called me up and he says they're all gone I said I know 12 of mine were gone too so it's really tough you know stay away from Maples um cuz and um yeah and yellow ones are pois but even the blueberry plants that they'll take down yeah so it might even be some where you might have to go out there and put a little yeah you might have to put like buy that um cheap like a little square netting and just put them around the tree you know if you see that some of so next fall really look into it good see if they be eaten if they are then just try to get them defer it right right and they have sprays for deer that I use that are really good U for r it in it's really good but you going to do it like once a week but you just walk up to it it's easy it's great it's done so it's just something you're going to look at you know Jose in the next year and but um I think the project going forward the way we're going I think it's the best way to handle this and I think Brad you've come up with an excellent um plants and everything else and like I said when I looked into him I was very impressed and if Jose does what his part you do what you Po and we just come back and say yay or nay right yeah right yeah I agree Brad you do a greate job I appreciate all the work you've done for us you know sure thanks I recommend Brad so uh Brad and Jose Mark and I have been talking we've been throwing some ideas in um whether this is being shared with you guys or not um I'm prepared to to share this with you guys um we were um discussing whether to reach out to uh maybe some of the Agricultural schools um as far as a uh School restoration project for this um myself um I would be willing to reach out to um our boy scouts here at troop 11 to see if they would be interested in helping out uh with this restoration project um cryistal lagie might be another one yeah great they they'd have a lot of fun planting and then maybe getting back to see coming along you know taking it the cons consideration overall uh to keep this friendly um to help try to I guess defer some of uh the expense uh on you and your family and this gentleman here to come out and um you know be so gracious enough to get involved with this um you know if that's something that you guys would be interested in um further discussing uh myself and Mark you know we'll make ourselves available we can reach out um and see if we can make these connections and maybe come up with a game plan come springtime uh if you guys are interested just to let you guys know I had a friend of mine buy uh op aites from uh Bristol Aggie a dollar a piece for two Footers W great you know so it's it is a really good I mean I think it's a really good idea to reach out I I actually great idea they might even be able to help you with some of the plants or whatever you know I mean the more research you do the more you know what I mean try to figure out what you can do to help save you too right and if you can get Boy Scouts there to help plant a few hundred plants why not right right so I don't know if that's something you guys would be interested in in discussing and and getting back to Mark and and myself um and and let's move this forward and uh you know hope for the best on this restoration project project how's that sound yeah I'm on board beautiful I have no problem with the restoration plan looks good you might want to reach out to Bristol lagy soon though and see what they might be able to help you for the spring yeah so I did do a little research and I I don't mean to interrupt I did do a little research and for the bare Roots they suggest that um either a spring which I I preferably prefer a fall planting because the plant is dormant is that well they're going to ship them before the end of the winter right so you'll have them in the spring so we wouldn't be able to get be you could if you were to do be root we wouldn't have cuz once they go dormant in the spring summer you have to wait till the next okay winter to to to order them so and like I said fall is tough because of the animals right so you actually want to try to get your plant established before the Diego there and cuz they don't go picking close once you know in the summertime they wait until things get dried up a little bit in the woods then they come out so I would really try to look into that spring planting my own personal opinion right so I just wanted to add that I I um kudos to to you Jose for it was good to work with you came forward and and and U I'll say likewise uh uh many of the members um in the committee uh have been very gracious and uh understanding of my circumstances um I had no ill intent of disturbing Wetlands again it was you know the height and and uh of the sprues that posed an issue um consistently around this time of year uh taking down the fences potentially putting the horses at arm and and the neighborhood because my horses have been loose down on Main Street you know taking off uh in the past so again learning curves uh and we move forward you know sounds good thank you thank you very much um do we do we need a motion probably not other than to move forward with the restoration plan that would be yeah so I would think I'll entertain a motion to move forward with the restoration proposed restoration plan for uh 324 Main Street I'll make that motion I'll second it all those in favor thank you very much you okay thank you okay next order of business 2025 filing deadline schedule review of matter presented votes may be taken uh I looked at over and first four months is one meeting and after that regularly schedule program I I don't have an issue with it Joanne's really good with the um with all the deadlines in the site visits so sound like a plan I think it looks good yeah I'll entertain a motion to to accept and post the 2025 filing deadline schedule so mooves second all in favor that's unanimous okay uh on to sad news the resignation well sad for us resignation of the vice chairman Everett filler review of matters presented votes may be taken you don't need anything formal from us on that right you just is this just for the yeah no just was just for the record and okay but this is this is this is motion to deny don't yeah uh and resignation of chairman Ryan rendes review of matters presented votes may be taken denied denied denied um I believe it was thrown away come on guys that's what I heard that it was thrown away no there was I saw the selectman accepted it it was a motion in a second there was there was one that wouldn't vote but and I appreciate the select um okay so that's that's what leads to this the commission's seeking applicants to join the Conservation Commission we need two new members um we might have one right there yeah listen it's um I I joined over five years ago um I was I had my own reason I was aggravated and I I uh I reached out to the agent at the time cuz uh hunting wasn't allowed on conservation land so um I I wanted to know I prepared a presentation to explain why we should I watched a couple meetings I wanted to know who I was dealing with what the you know the makeup of the commission was and um the chairman at time Mr roacha said we're still looking for our s member of the Conservation Commission so I said well there's no better way to change anything than doing yourself um I didn't press the issue I waited a little while I went through the motions I did the um core Mac classes I got I got all those under my belt and then once I you know learned a little bit about the Wetland protection act I I did press the issue and I and it did get accomplished um but I didn't my job wasn't done um I I really enjoyed my time on the commission so I learned a lot I worked I worked with a lot of people I met a lot of great people made a lot of great friends so this guy especially so yeah both the best um miss you I still got another me so uh agent updates you got anything Mar um couple quick things um nothing I think we have to act on right now but so we got a notice from Environmental Protection Agency and mass D and Jimmy sat in on this call they've they're they're exploring they want to figure out how they can get notified if there's any work in these Shoreline areas where they did remediation for this New Bedford super fund site so they mentioned that Fair Haven New Bedford work with their bylaws Wetland bylaws uh um so um they've provided some background information I think some of this went out because I think um well Jimmy you were on one of these the calls we had one call but uh basically I need to follow up uh I'm not sure exactly what's the the vehicle or what's the mechanism that to to be sure they get notified when there's any proposed work they provided uh they provided and I'll pass these around I'll send these out to the commission these came from uh Mass de I forget the gentleman's name I've got it written down here uh Paul cafrey cafrey may know but they gave us I'll just pass this one well I guess my only question to that would be is if you file a notice of intent and it it gets filed with d they they review the application so there's a notification the reg and they issue comments so are they really reviewing the application right well they don't want to they want to make sure that they're in the first initial Loop so what they're afraid of is that someone who's along the shoreline who gets an noi decides to start tearing it in and then they're in the pcbs oh and then because that has not been dug out so that's what this is all about making sure nothing on so I guess at this time there isn't we don't have any current filings in those areas Street be Street yeah but Beach Street is going and drilling through bedrock they're still Excavating at the shoreline correct right what did he say they're going to excavate a 16t trench I think he said to to access that that horizontal I wonder if it I don't think it's in I think they didn't they note that in their plans what area was restored and where their proposed um excavation I'm pretty sure that's part of the restoration is it doesn't get a d number how what was that the slum Street was an RDA so that just they're supposed to disos to mail it to D but it doesn't get a d number right but that that slm street project is in in it's in the road right yeah but what they're saying it's on the sheline so when they dig out that drain that goes in into there now and they put the new one in both of them are going to be on the right stor them going to be on the shoreline they're tying into the existing outfall on that project no they're moving the outfall moving it they're taking it road that was going to be a separate filing they never filed that yet right not yeah so that hasn't that hasn't been filed the RDA was for the RDA they filed was for the work in the road and the catch basins it was it wasn't and she said there was going to be a separate file which there was going to be a notice of intent they were still working on Logistics of going through that parking lot he didn't so that doesn't apply to that project yeah right and then the only other one I guess there so there may be one in question but the thing is I don't think they were looking for us to do anything except for make sure they know they notifi so I guess I mean you could reach out to the proponents of that job and and and make sure that they notify cuz they're going to contact you it says it in the order of conditions 5 days prior to to any work commencing they're going to contact you so when you get that notification your first call should be to them to say hey they're going to be starting in five days right I would assume because that's the biggest concern that someone opens up and they have pcvs in their yard right on the problem spread because no one knows how far in from the show line it really went oh I get you yep you know what I mean so they didn't dig into the shoreline they only did in the water yeah right but now they're really accur because the High Tides everything else extreme highs no one knows how far this got moved in yeah so that's what that's all about is they just want to make sure yeah no I think we got that letter didn't you forward that letter to us I think we did email yeah yeah yeah so I guess I really I would say as of right now the only project would be that uh uce project they Iden they have a list of of properties and locks yeah because they they they use those they use the Robos shot's property as access yeah so so they know so it's uh so is that on you um to notify them or is it on the proponent is that a memo that we have to forward to every applicant in these in in these general areas just uh I don't know if it's a yeah I don't know if it's a Well to Jimmy to Jimmy's point you know to come in I I think they want to preempt it before somebody goes too far down the bank and and I don't know and I think your point is really good that D are R you know they're reviewing they comment so I mean they should C if nothing else even if it's okay we've invest some time and money but if you're working in these areas I would think that would but the D didn't have nothing to do with the the super cleanup fund of the site no they didn't but they had the address of the of the proponent correct who is but I don't know if the DPA would D would call them and say Hey listen oh he said D and EPA we're looking for notification so the D is being notified when somebody files but then sometimes doesn't send those exempt may we should forward to EPA or call on you know we yeah yeah guess but but the area in question is along is along so if he if it then he would be able to make the decision to send it without waiting you know a month or 3 weeks or two weeks or whatever yeah I would hope that any I guess it couldn't hurt to send it right any work on a Coastal Bank wouldn't be exempt to work yeah I mean now that this new conduit is going in is that going to be there shouldn't be any maintenance to that you know what I mean the horizontal drilling across I don't I don't know I don't want to speculate but I guess I guess I I my question would be who's who is tasks would task would notifying the EPA when any work's going to commence is it the proponent or is it the agent of the of the body that issued the permit to to do the work I would think the proponent would be call the Circuit rer they should be able to answer that question yeah yeah I I I mean I it was it was I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure the EPA was involved in that project which uh the restoration no the the no the the conduit oh the conduit oh oh but I'm not sure so I would say the only project that we have on the books right now in that general area would be that one well my plan is I'm just bringing it to the commission's attention and to follow up what exactly what do you propose you know what what is it I would think the burden should be placed on the proponent in my opinion M was even asking them you know it's like what do what do you guys suggest and they really didn't have nothing is it policy or is it um courtesy courtesy think I think it's more of a courtesy right now really I think it really is cuz I don't think they have a policy out yet far and that's why they're reaching these towns to put it into their they want to actually see it like almost into our laws like the bylaws so this way here if you live in any of those addresses part of it is not just an noi you got to get a hold of the EPA let them know where you are and because the pcbs ain't nothing to joke with right so that's what their big thing is it's only bad if you disturb it horrible right so I guess if the EPA has a list of all those properties and they don't want anybody digging hole on the shoreline of those properties I think it should be the EPA that reaches out to them and lets them know hey don't take a hole well it's it could be a notification a notification on their end if there's an a Butter's list to those restoration areas or you know in ourselves being we we get enough thank you you know that's why I say that's why I say I think the burden should be placed on the proponent I clearly we we're taxed is enough already yeah exactly that we you know and to to try to stay on top of something like that right well I'll push back if there's not I would push I would have pushed back there isn't a clear protoc yeah I mean yeah you just kind of let them know as as a courtesy we'll let any you know any filing applicants know this um you know regulation but yeah yeah well we don't yeah yeah and I didn't know if it was like formal policy where they wanted well they've amended the and my first and not to belabor the point but it's you know Fair Haven and New Bedford modified their bylaw to to incorporate this include that yeah so there's some kind of notification right requirement in there but we we don't have a bylaw so yeah [Music] so yeah they have a lot more expansive uh Seashore as well I mean we do the least of the three right a cushion has the least amount yeah but most most of the restoration was done done in aush I know I it was there was a huge yeah but what I'm saying as far as residents and everything else and we do have I mean the um the Coalition owns the old junkyard right that was down there yeah so that what I'm saying that took a big spot of the Waterfront I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be and they're in the process of purchasing Robos shots so it is still on going I was wondering they're trying to they're trying supposedly from what I heard they're trying to just they're trying to put a walkway they'll go like all the way they call Greenways yeah it's it's big thing with the state the D DM they green W Pearl green green necklace sure there another another yeah I've heard the term yeah they usually try to run them up a river right the Waterway sure right sure or right a body of water sure what else do you have Mark um I I think it's some point um I was looking at there there's well I I'll just say it I I don't I don't have anything else I okay there's there there's a sorry there's a provision in the Wetland protection act about thank you when people go out and this this overcome the presumption that you have a stream's not perennial that youve got to take these photo photos and there's a section I kind of wrote it up I'll send it out and just where the language is a competent you you know the the photo should be done by a competent party then it lists the commission an agent as well as others and and that it it acknowledges that an affidavit you know you know is all in there but it would seem that in my opinion it would be good to have the agent or somebody at least have the opportunity if you're going out to to take photos it would be good to have somebody on site uh trust but verify yeah like a witness like if you were to do a perk test or something said someone so that's my idea and there's language there's language um and this all came up around the drought right there there was a October 1 yeah so anyhow I'm GNA float that oh you guys control that in your Wetlands by law yeah yeah we started we there is documentation for that has been started for a wetland bylaw they are tough to pass but we're going to hire you as a consultant very expensive thing is like was saying like you never taken um never know if someone's low enough to go up ahead and throw four hay bales across the creek you know what I mean right so that's what that's all about he said you know someone should be walking it and saying yeah it is clear and it's okay right cuz you don't know what someone's really doing I mean I know we had Dave the vinion giv us an affidavit everything else I mean do we trust Dave yes we do right I mean we really do so so that it would ain't bad but you'd never know if somebody else would right let me see what I can do let me put some hay bills across it see if it dries up in two days go take four pictures get rid of the hay bills come back in here's my four pictures that's what it is I agree yeah so yeah make that recommendation to uh have that on a bylaw okay just just yeah I'll send it I mean I don't know I don't know if there's any office oh maybe I don't know maybe can you make I don't know if you can make that a policy like I don't know circuit right I talked to to I was talking to someone at D and if they said you can make that a town policy I mean well let me get I've heard things that not always yeah I would I would think that would have to be in a bylaw but yeah I mean I don't and then the other thing is I don't every other stream in town might have already been determined by now yeah yeah I just it's the language the language is I think that determination is only good for years I think but I could be WR well the the language is vague and my idea was just toy that official I think it's a great idea I mean I I agree but I don't know if you can make that policy stick stick without I don't know well I don't know not that I mean you could ask certainly never hurs to ask that's right but then again they come forward before you even know doing that so it's it's you know yeah they come in after the fact right yeah and and it's if you read the I'll send out the what I wrote up I'll send it in an email it it's it's anyhow it's it's an interesting Little Couple paragraphs in terms of I'll check that out and it's it's trying to head off something a situation where you would get contentious because I think the ACT implies that the commission can actually question certain situations validity yeah and it just be nice to have somebody on site that there's no question but that's just I'll send it forward we'll put it in the scope of work for your consultancy on that agree that you know work you know you could have an issue with any photograph oh yeah that's you know someone presents right I mean it's a sworn affidavit and it's it's a binding legal document I mean I think there's more penalties for that than you know I don't know yeah no but I agree I think a witness is always good for everything I know the affid David works for a lot of other things more pressent than a stream right in other business uh I got none so future business the next meeting of the Conservation Commission will be on January 15 2025 meeting to be held at the town hall meeting room located at 122 Main Street a cushion at Mass um I just want to say Everett he has been an absolute pleasure to serve on this commission with you I thank you for your wisdom your guidance and your history lessons yes thank you for everything it's been an honor and I I'm glad to call you a friend I wouldn't have met you otherwise and I uh I can correct it's it's been a pleasure so with that being said oh we need people for the Conservation Commission we do we need we need members for the Conservation Commission please send please send your yeah see we we're friends this is um so both of you that to leave it come on that horrible that was horrible sorry Horrible no but it it's been a rewarding ever how long has it been for you I was I was still working at Ford so I worked at vote for 10 years I've been out of out of vote for four years five years wow so 15 or so sure in a little over five for me like I said I I wouldn't go anywhere it's just it's my kids you know I'm missing on a lot of things I'll be back in one one formal fashion and I'm a phone call away Joanne anybody on the commission um but same here I'm all always home any any um I might call on you to be but notices I'll call you a cell phone they take 4 hours to you know I know any um anybody interested um it's it's a great great experience you get to see a lot of places you'll never see in town you get to walk the woods you get to walk the wetlands it's great you're going to meet good people not only people on the commission but applicants um I give it a shot write a letter of interest to the selectman and um they'll be back to you shortly um executive sessions um have been cancelled Town Council had a personal issue to uh reason why they couldn't be here so um with that being said Everett Ryan would you like to make a motion since this is my last meeting like to make a motion that we adjourn is there a second second all those in favor well brother that was [Music] oh [Music] [Music]