[Music] hearing is now called to order at 6:06 p.m this hearing is beheld as required the by the provision of chapter 131 section 40 of the general
laws of the commonwealth an act relative to protection of the wetland and most recently amended notice that this time in place of this hearing hearing was originally published in the behavior neighborhood news on September 5th and October 4th of
2024 it was also posted in the town clerk's office persons wishing to be heard will be called in the following order this meeting is also videoed and [Music] recorded
okay um first thing I'd like to entertain a motion to open this public hearing do I get a second second all those in favor i Okay first thing we have no minutes um
any meeting mail knock uh no okay any old [Music] business all right so continue public hearing ny storm water white incorporated 211
middle road maps 23 lot 29 29A and 29B SE000010596 a notice of intention storm water application was filed by Zachary Parks Middle Road and Soul LLC for property located at 211 middle road maps
23 lots 29 29A and 29B the applicant proposes to construct a ground mounted solar array on a portion of the open fields within the property located at 211 middle road in Aushnet work is limited to the 100 foot buffer zone to
the bordering vegetated wetlands and tank the outro can do represented by Sarah Sterns of Bales and Thomas Incorporated plan name is Middle Road PV Solar Development dated September 10th
202 uh 24 viewers of this matter may be presented votes may be taken due to the Mullen role um Rebecca Soja is not eligible to vote um they actually
put in for a continuing with that i'd like to entertain a motion to continue this to the next meeting and the date would be April 23rd to April 23rd 2024 2525 move do I get a second second all
those in favor okay okay new business lake Street investment reservoir lakes 1 2 and four three lot 13 map 4 lot 49 and map 19 lot 32 SE
001 0595 a note intent was filed by James Kelly for the property located at the Newfford reservoirs like 1 two and four the applicant proposes the removal of the group of invasive weeds from areas
of reservoir blades 1 two and four located in using an eco the average represented by Scott Daget Lake chief improvement committee due to the Mullen room members
Rebecca and Nelson will not be eligible to vote discussion of invalid vote taken on March 26 due to the lack of form review matters present votes may be taken yes okay i'd like to indicate a
motion to open this motion to open this meeting i get a second all those in favor i stop good evening um so we're continuing this again
um hopefully not back to square one um I understand the uh complexities of uh the last meeting um which I must say I'm a little disappointed in but we want to move
forward okay so with that said we are looking to uh town council to see if the mo this um was even properly closed
um we know though uh that it might be because of an error of quorum um so with that being said I believe we're going to if it doesn't go forward we're going to have to put out a new about notice to give the public notice that even though we said it got
closed last time it might not be closed um but with that we did have Heidi reach out to the ethics um they accepted her to fill out a letter of disclosure form um so with that being said now we're going to get it sent to the select men
and go from there before it does get to the selectman I do have to bring up um entertain a motion for Heidi's disclosure letter to be accepted so with that I'd like to entertain a motion for Heidi's letter to be accepted motion to
accept the disclosure letter do I have a second no second what does that mean so Heidi's writing in a disclosure letter disclosure letter which is going to give her the ability to revoke
okay okay so we already have a second do I have to vote yeah she can't correct i I understand I You can vote she can vote correct yes y
I if if I could just add a few comments um for those of you that don't know me I'm on the town we spoke on the vote um I have been working with Jim and Mark um in order for us to get this rectified
and I know Jamie's been working with town council as well um the situation being um because this was an error in part um by the dynamics of the board um this is a very rare circumstance as to
what happened with the voting uh but with that being said uh we don't want to force you to file another NOI um however because the public is under the
perception that the meeting was closed and it was closed properly um they deserve the right to know that it has been continued okay that was an error that did take place uh again we're still
waiting for town council to get back to us um but I think the fairest in my opinion the fairest way to move forward is to readvertise um have a new list pulled from our
assessor's office uh and then we can go ahead and continue the hearing properly uh we want to be as transparent as possible and I think that's what this board is looking to do okay i'd also
like to make one other um addition that um Heidi was um she did file a disclosure because she is in a butter to the marsh um which is in front of her property um she's already spoken with
the ethics division the ethics division said that they feel that she could vote on this and be objective uh so that's perfect um the other scenario is that we did not have Eric um uh debarrows here
that day um to vote and he is entitled to also vote um as long as he signs the notification that he has watched that meeting the video of the meeting um and he signs off on the disclosure okay what
happens if he doesn't sign off on the disclosure you In in my honest opinion um I feel that m Mr devaros you know and you know him being a part of the commission you know with all due respect
um you know throws little roadblocks here and there so I am not so confident that he is for this project okay so if he fails or decides not to sign that disclosure what will happen you still have a quorum yeah okay okay now that's
not to say the quorum is going to vote in your favor but you will have you will have the ability to have a fair Please okay so as far as I am going to say one thing about um to Scott is that
that's why this is a seven member board yes is that so don't agree with it and we got enough that does then it passes if we don't have enough that does then it fails so as a seven member board that's what we're trying to do is go
this way here one way or the other it's a complete vote all right with that does anyone from the public have anything to uh say about this okay so with that being said Scott what I'd like to do is um go with two
meetings away because the council gives us the notification that it we're okay to go it gives you time to get the abundance list back out um Julian if you could please give me that date may 14th and May 28th so you're talking May two
May 14th two away is May 14th do you think that gives them plenty of time to do the butters um you have to do so list has to be certified and then I have to mail out the mail
would you rather go three away can I just interject here for just a moment is there any way that we could expedite this through Missante in the office for the aud list that's not my That's the office that doesn't fall into
my jurisdiction i mean the assessor's office has always been really respondent that you know they've had a pretty quick turn around because you know they know it's project i think once you put in question they have 10 days and they're pretty well within that i I think the
first time I got my list it was within probably 2 or 3 days yeah I think that's but so I don't know exactly where the the the postage comes from uh I'm happy to help yeah I can do the leg work yeah what I did the last time is I think I
went through office and they handled they handled the mailings and the postage so So I'm I'm I'm in the office here if it's easier perhaps if if people are okay with that idea to to do the leg
work yeah yeah i'll either I'll either vote for you or I'll vote for the selector's office like I did last time okay so I just like to do this but if we do the May 14th if something happens we'll keep in contact with you and you don't have everything back or whatever we can always continue it on the May 14th for
the next meeting will I have to present the uh certified mailings like I did previously yes everything would have to go basically the same way and that's be 10 days before that may 14th so it be May 4th
so they have to be dated 10 days prior to May 14 correct yeah so let's put it on the 14th worst case scenario the ad needs to be placed again yes yes the full yes so I would like to
entertain a motion to continue this until May 14th motion to continue this till May 14th do I have a second all in favor i thank you thank you very much [Applause]
[Music] okay now we have an extension of order of condition for the TPM development off north side of Blaze Drive S00001-
0530 a request for an extended existing order condition for S00001-4 0530 DPM development for property located off max 12 lot 18 9 11 C and 11 D the
applicant proposes to continue to construct a 17 lot subdivision off the north side of Lake Drive within the buffer zone of a bordering vegetated wetland the applicant is represented by Steve Gasa Site Tech Engineering and
Environmental Consultants Incorporated plan name is Subdivisional Plan of Manise Estate plan dated July 26 2018 revised January 16 2019 reviews of matters presented approach may be
taken young man sir John Engineering wasn't able to make it tonight so when the Bal today told me you were going to be Yeah that exactly what you said um we're
hoping that we could extend the order for 3 years there's still work as you know to be done out there and um some some piles to be created habitat I think it was some stump some some other things to to um to restrict access to certain
areas some cleanup work um the uh the flags are up that was a request so the flags have um been set and numbered and as you went by there today and I want to thank you that was a very quick response thanks
Steve but I I'll be sure to mention that to him um and then um the contractor will be in the process of fixing the so fence and the waddles and when that is is going to be scheduled um we'll one of us either Steve or I will call the
office to make sure that you're um you you'll be able to do an inspection for that work um and then the the last thing was they have a the wildlife specialist that's going to be out there on Monday and uh according to Steve that that he
would call 20 minutes or so before he he arrives on site um to meet you guys yeah okay with that being said guys um I actually talked to the guy the guy's name is Brian Madden um him and I talked today um those we went further into
detail than the ciphers that we originally did um actually Eric was out there noticed that some stumps were done the clog was cleared um the sub fences look like they were in the rever working in the reverse direction uh so I
actually talked to Brian Madden from the environment uh from the wildlife and he told me that the fences are in the wrong direction due to the turtles they don't want the turtles to come into the into the site so they put the dirt on the
opposite side so they can't come through mating season is right around the corner so this is all through the CMP which is the conceptual mitigation plan it's through the state it's not in our jurisdiction so when we went out there
again Christian and I did a walk through we noticed that Eric ended up joining us we noticed that a pile of stumps um the bar was cleared um it seemed like really erratic work until I got the phone call from Steve saying that this was because
it was requested by the CMP so I didn't believe some of it and that's when they said "Well if you want to come through the site visit with Brian Madden that he's going to be there at 3:00 on Monday." So I know that I
know that Mark and I are trying to get out there i'm going to invite Christian um to really know everything i didn't believe with all the stumps were there for that reason so that's why Brian said we'll look at it Monday um with that being said I'd like to entertain a
motion to continue this hearing until after the meeting on Monday and then we can actually know exactly what's going on because what would for the turtles are the main
sections of the turtles and that's why that fog that was cleared was so roughly done you notice how they didn't pick any of the brush up or anything they left it really erratic looking that's for the turtles um and
that was per the agency that So the boss plate was definitely by the agency the stumps they were supposed to put the stumps in front of any area where the quads were going through and dirt bikes were going through and that's where I mentioned to Brian that I don't believe that the whole intent of the stumps
there were there but that's my own perception right so that's why Brian says "Why don't you guys just come there we'll walk through everything." And he says he has not seen the stump pile so he's not going to give me a judgment over the phone so with that being said I
know the next meeting is April 23rd okay i'd like to entertain a motion to continue this till April 23rd so move second all those in favor i I Okay if
you continue till April 23rd may I ask a question quick question the the law says it expires on the in the vicinity of the 29th so we will be okay with that should everything be okay so here's the thing you guys put in a request for an
extension as soon as you put in the request for an extension it can't expire because what the state did that for and I had to look all this up what the state did that for is just in case someone decides 2 days before their uh expiration date to come before the board
and we don't have a quum and we can't properly vote it now you're going to be automatically denied so what happened is the state came up with this law that as long as they put the request in that it gives them beyond the date So you're good unless we deny it but
your good will not expire on you all right thank you very much you always Okay discussion matters first one is 990 Main Street drainage flooding issues review of
matters presented supposed to make babies so I was in the office and we got a phone call from a resident at 990 Main Street saying that he um had a river running through his propert so he wanted to dig it out and
do all this other stuff and I said "Just hold on and I'll go do a site visit." So I went and did a site visit don't all stop with that being said while I was there I did a quick follow the river down right and you see the water coming you go back up with it so I went over it
i went up to 1020 um Main Street talked with the two owners there um everyone's really nice people um as we were discussing it we followed it up and it seems to be coming
through 1050 Main Street Stone Wall so this one here is really I think very a hard issue um I'm actually going to send it over to Mark right now and let him give us his
opinion cuz him and I were discussing this today um I guess part of the the issue is um the hydraology their websites we're in the
spring um this has been part of uh an ongoing discussion so I think that the the prudent approach is is to to reach out to the engineer on the site
and and follow up um and uh you know continue to try to investigate you know where where where all this water is coming from it's a wet meadow these properties you know are
incredibly wet so um I mean that it's hard to to there's more to it than just saying this is where the water's coming from it's not coming from here it's moving down a
slope from a adjacent hill it's moving from one slope apparently that's just my observations all of us were out there i mean I think we need to take a little bit more time if we're going to try to resolve and understand where this
water's coming from and come up with a uh intelligent solution to him instead of just a knee-jerk you know let's just go out there and do something for the sake of doing something and I
don't know Mr chairman anyone else if I may we did do a site visit out there on Saturday um I was a little bit displeased of the property itself um because there is wet meadows there um
some live running streams unknown of where it originates from that's not our job our jobs are are to protect those meadows to protect that running stream i I I think there's a lot more here
going on on that property than any of us will ever come to know about i would actually like to see a cease and desist issue on this property going forward until we have a peer review done
on this say that again no problem it's the uh 1050 yeah it is 1050 but I mean if I'm giving you my opinion I don't think the
system says is proper i mean you didn't put it into a motion so we get to discuss it um the reason being that um I am going to bring it to the public very shortly to come up and talk but the reason being I feel this way is because when I was talking to the neighbors that
this has been going on for a while it's like not 6 months not 6 years not 10 years not 15 years this has been going on for a long time and it is old farm land so to just say throw a cease in
this sit on it until we do further information Doug I think is just reaching a little hard i mean I I don't know what else to say but that's my own personal opinion um and we do have someone that is above that is about 1050
if you would like to come up and speak I mean um pretty much at all there's been water coming there since I've lived there for for 18 years so it's it's always been the same problem it's wet it's always been wet yep and
then that's why with being said I don't think we can just say it's the solar field we can't say that it is part of the farming um I mean I'm going to be truthful there's two um in the solar field there is two drainage through the roads one of them
goes right to the lowest point of the property headed to the lowest point of the property um the the engineer that I met on site said that well that's why they have double socks that's why most of the water runs i don't know maybe if this is something we can work with the solar companies and maybe we can do
something to maybe help relieve a little bit of this and I don't know you know but I think it's something that's more than just everyone stop i think it's more of an investigation to see what's the best way to handle it from the
property and again um yeah some I I know that DPW has had some discussions in terms of a potential solution but I think we we need to sit down and get the parties together and and discuss it is a website
you say it's been wet and I'm not surprised is it It's wetlands we were told that's wetlands that and and my understanding is in your opinion it it's gotten worse more recently so whether what's
the source of that I think is still you know we don't I don't think we have a conclusive evidence one way or the other I think we need to to work with um the solar farm working with DPW so
the other issue is I'm sorry the other issue we have we've had more rain in the past few years than we've ever had i mean we're getting more you know so much more rain than a normal season even this year i think it's above normal right so is that reflecting light
right so we really don't know and um that's why I think we should continue mark's going to make a few stop making some phone calls and see what we can do as far as the DPW um I actually sat down with Dan dan was actually going to get a hold of you Jennifer about the drainage
stuff uh he shot all the grades and then I was telling him about the phone call that I got and he says "Well maybe we can go to them he's going to have to go to the town with it and maybe relieve on the other side of the stone wall on their property and put a drainage in so
it ain't flooding people up you know right because I don't think it's 100% the solar fields i'm not saying it's zero but I'm you know what I mean um I do believe this is due to old farmlands i know that the hills were changed a little bit water was redirected a little bit so that might have picked it up a
little bit but I don't think it's 100% this old field spot so that's my personal opinion can it's still Can I just say it's still flooding i mean recently we haven't seen it but to towards Main Street the front there there's flooding there's a lot of
flooding this year we didn't get a lot of snow so it didn't melt but usually the the water will go go right through mainstream correct that's part of the DPW the DPW actually went down there sean all actually had a meeting with Dan Manard um and he said he was going to
call Jennifer and then when I told him this he says he's going to hold off on calling Jennifer because they do plan on putting a new drainage system through the road that's going to capture the water from there going down Main Street and that's why Dan said we might be able to do tie your property into this which
might relieve two other properties so I think we should take and try to investigate this a little more we'll talk to Dan i'll talk to Dan personally again i'll probably bring him to your site if you're resident if that's okay and let's see what we can do about working together and not so much try to
beat anybody up and I think would be the easiest way to get on this so with that being said unless we have anyone else in the audience or if we have any other questions from the board I do so Mr
chairman if I may my concern is and and I I think the board knows um my concern with the property is at this point in time is some type of of followup enforcement whatever whatever
the actions may be as far as the illegal illicit dumping of the hazardous waste that we all saw next to that stream that bothers me that's concerning i I would like something from the
commission or the property owner knowing that it's been properly cleaned up properly disposed of and I I think it's fair for the public to know this it's It's not the right thing to do what's happened it was a mistake but it needs
to be properly addressed handled and disposed of that's my feeling so when we were out there and going to come right out there was dog poop in the river they would put dog poop in the river and dog poop is one of
the most hazardous materials there are it's actually as considered a hazard material not a fertilizer it'll never break down to a fertilizer it always stays hazardous material even when you pick it up off your lawn that spot in
your lawn is hazardous material it takes forever to go away and a lot of people don't realize this a lot of people throw it in the woods figuring it's easy way to get rid of it it's actually the wrong way to get rid of it and I'm saying this so the public knows also put it in a bag
and put it in the trash it's the easiest way some people say "I got a little dog it leaves a little turd." It doesn't matter the hazard material is there with that being said Doug and I think when we
when Pat was here we had all the flyers printed out and that's part of the MS4 storm model that was supposed to be made one of the big things in that is about that whatever happened with all those
fail i can add to that um a lot of those flyers came to my office so when we did the dog licensing we would give a flyer out but we don't have it we've exhausted that supply that was given to us
i'm like really I'm sure that in the in a lot of states that we're supposed to have it constantly being available for the knowledge in public so um we needed to be able to be aware of that and have
them reprinted again so we are in compliance yeah they didn't come from my office they came from the conservation mel had actually given them to my office yeah i
had my house before so I I I think let's talk but yeah we just we need to have a close by town hall we're supposed to
have a town hall um council I think it was spoke of that we were going to put I know we had tons of them and then the other thing is they should be handed out with every license with every license so so two points if I we can look I'll look
if there's any lying around in the office that would be immediate fix but we probably need to find whatever it was to use to print them up so I can I can look you have I got rid of and then all of a sudden
there's trouble around so I know that this committee has WPA money with that WPA money Mark you should we should have WPA money we should request that we that if we can use it I mean we're going to have to request it but if we can use it
we should have these flyers made up give Pam a box we can put a box at the um Council of Aging and then they're available but if they hand it out with every single dog license in a cushion then there's no excuse hey and it's just
the MS law that we're supposed to obey by because of the way we dispose of our water through the Krishna River by law we're supposed to have them readily available so it's not only a good idea it's part of being compliant with the
MS4 storm water law so with it's one of those small things that's in that law that makes a big difference for the town to be compliant with the law it's very easy you print them out you put a stack there you're done with it can I get a copy from you i I they're in they're in
my office all right and then I'd like to address one more thing something Doug said Doug said about enforcement letter um if you don't mind I would like Mark for you to send the letter to 1020 um just regarding saying please you know this can never happen again uh we are
going to go for a site visit to go look up at the cleanup and make sure it was done properly and uh one last thing is that I um I do I do acknowledge and I do um appreciate the thought of having the
solar farm trying to help with this problem but if the water source is coming from off our off property like we have been going through with other uh and stuff it's not their responsibility to try to slow it down
the law clearly split states that whatever the water flow is running now it doesn't exceed um it's not really right for us to put that on a homeowner or a business to try to fix a problem
that's already existing we got to kind of get to the root of the evil before we try to go yeah well that's why investig like I said Dan from the DPW wants to help um and if we can make it
all work uh I think we should try to do it i think the problem is only getting worse is because of our range increased a lot was part of it and I do my own personal opinion but we're going to look at you i do believe one of the excesses you have through your driveway that
points right to that whole point and um Mr i don't remember Mr fannis from press name mr fan the guy we met there oh um Kevin Fanning oh so we met him there and we when I said
"Oh you got socks right there." He said "Well that's where most of the water runs." So we doubled it up with socks i don't know Jennifer if you take a look at it and maybe we can divert it a little bit like the other way to that other low area because right now it's headed to right back corner i don't know
if that's They probably definitely going to stop it but it might help it a little bit i mean it's something that we should just look into we're not forcing it on you um and that's why I'm kind of saying that we should all try to work together here and not point fingers and not do
that let's see what we can do to resolve this um they are your neighbors right and I think it's better to work that way so with this hydraology but step back you we should come in come in the office seems like you've done some
investigation if you if you got time and you're interested oh that's I go in there often i was in there twice this week but I wish I can get in there the problem is every time it's just that we're on different schedules I guess my
schedule's probably a little bit flexible as Jim said I know Dan Manard has shot some additional elevations just before we just start you know eyeballing a
solution we should have some actual information what's going to understand and just one of the biggest issues here that I see now is that he put the extra socks in for a reason cuz it was already a prior problem that they already prior
to knew about but what I think we need to investigate it but I I would hope that it was investigated at the beginning of the project i don't even know if they knew about it truthfully I not happened 990 was revered so with that being said I
think it should get reinvestigated and I think we should move on to the next subject yeah okay next i'm sorry one question so can I Jennifer I can reach out to you i don't know you from
all together yeah okay all right i'll reach out you want to get to know her real quick next next on the discussion 1050 main sheet request for review revised claims regarding push
LLC review for matter president [Music] yeah [Music] yes heat heat so first thing I'd like to say I'm very disappointed so Kevin is his name
I'm sorry so Eddie says to me "I'm not here for you guys i'm here for the complaint." I said "No you're on the channel." what so no construction was really discussed he said he had plans on his phone that we could look at of course I didn't bring a full set of plans with me
so it was just very unprofessional I feel on you guys to have prepared for our meeting our site visits on Saturday just so you know volunteers so we are there on our own time so then I started thinking through well I know you guys
want to put fill in the or raise the basin elevator oh yeah that's what we want to do so it was very very not good especially on our Saturdays right so now you have the floor this is the
Jim folks if you could just introduce yourselves not just for the camera but you sitting here in the audience who you guys are my name is Conway from Thomas here on Jennifer Dat i'm a senior project manager with Nexam thank you thank you
guys for having us so we are here to discuss our revisions to the storm water basin um in your jurisdiction so just for clarity we have the buffer zones in yellow and the basin in blue what you're seeing right now is the previous design
um so this is related to the EP file number 10543 um so the storm water basin was recreated and modified due to concerns um from the commission about it not dewatering within 72 hours um during
site visits during storms and everything we noticed that the bottom of the basin did not pitch towards the outlet which is right up here um so it was generally flat so the water couldn't really get out um so the storm water basin was
recreated in about the same footprint um it's about the same footprint um the outlet structure was slightly changed slightly so it's all pitched so that it goes out of the outlet structure slows down um the
runoff rates compared to what was previously permitted and designed um so what else we got so that's regarding the basin provision we also were in
discussion with the fire department about this fire access that goes around um the solar array and they had asked us to put some sort of material to stabilize the the fire lane so that there's vehicles can safely traverse
around the grass yeah um so in order to keep the existing hydraology analysis the same we are proposing a permeable paper system um so that allows water to run off run through infiltrate into the
ground as normal grass is grown on top of it um and that there are portions of that ground array that are in in the jurisdiction okay so we did business i have to walk through that basin there's more than 6
in of water in the basin now so if you fill it 6 in about 8 to 9 in of water in there how long is it supposed to dry 72 hours 72 hours i've never been on that side to dry yeah the tube that goes up
i think that um our outlet our outlet so we raised the outlet so there's more pitch that leads to you already yeah so part of the design is we added hitch for that outlet pipe um and in
hopes that the water goes down basin and then there's no ditch so we can actually so the other thing I said in prior to these two is where do you get your elevation of wetlands right so the last guy I was saying he said well we shot
the top of water right you shoot the top of water does not give you the wetland it gives you how much water you have in that so that brought and then put to the bottom the ground that's the wetlands are we talking about the where the
wetland here so if your basin is higher if you're going by water elevation and your basin is higher than the bottom of that wetland it's never going to drain properly because you're still into the wetland that's why
[Music] did did you guys I remember this u from the last fight vision not this one the one before did you guys I I don't have another plan in front of me the original
there was talks about changing the grade heights around the detention spacing did you guys change any of that we just keep it at the same um so this new design and I think what you're looking at that does
change the the um elevations around so you're changing more than just what you have highlighted on blue you're changing um say around a couple hundred feet around no no no we we've stayed within this footprint
um along the road here this road is the same the grading generally around here is all the same as well generally so then one other thing that I saw when I was reading the print was it says that the grades I guess ain't even
completed because it says that the contractor is going to but to me it seems like he's going to find the grades when he gets there so shouldn't those rates already be on the plan saying that the contractor is working right above it on
the left hand side there's a little note there is a [Music] grand from what was orig [Music] from the original peritting plan um I
think that we've had our Bills and Thomas survey team go out we've surveyed the basin i'm not sure if we've gone deeper into a media outlets um but that could be something that So Mr jim if I
may for me there's not a lot of clarity on here to make things move forward obviously it's it's loud and clear there was more than 6 in of water in there i'm I'm not happy with the elevations i don't know if it was an
elevation shot before project during project after project going forward with this project i I don't see this working there's a kind of a lot of maybe
ifs sort of kind of in in this project so going off what you're saying we have a 1 foot two foot difference between the one to two the retention so it's kind of hard for the water table to jump a foot just
in one area unless it's going to be ledge or something that uh defers it um at this time after I look at it and think about it more when it was being constructed was the correct material
used at the bottom of the basin cuz that sounds to me by looking at grades that it's being the water's being held in there not from water table but from having the wrong soils at the bottom so if it was supposed to have like septic
sand or 3/4 stone 3/4 stone or septic sand drains really well but now if they do that and it gets mixed up mud and junk gets mixed in with the stone it will not give the same drainage properties that it's supposed to so is is is it an elevation problem they're
looking at or looking for or is it that when the prior construction was done they used the wrong materials at the bottom of the basin do you have any um evidence or anything that you could throw away that would suggest it was the right material that was put in there in
the first place um I don't I think that the base the bottom of the basin was supposed to be a brass grass basin i'm not sure yeah the grass is the grass is the cap you don't just put like the French drain you don't just put a a
French drain has a top cap which is grass but underneath the grass there has to be some type of material that lets them lets the water out especially in a cushion if you have a lot of areas of clay and what happens with the clay it stays on top and it doesn't want to
drain so it doesn't matter how high how low or where you put the elevation of the the retention it's not going to drain it just doesn't have the right the right hydraology in the soils for the
soil to disperse correct so I'm just curious cuz now that I'm thinking about it originally first time I went that drain was not properly put in right remember that's one sign that alerts me that well we got one problem here in
construction maybe the drainage problem is actually the soils that were put in the bottom cuz now we're at 36 37 and then the then there's I mean 56 57 then 58 that's a twoft difference between water
table that should let it drain but the only thing is and I'm going to tell you I was looking into this i did not we did not have this on our storm water that um the planning board did i haven't found the original from the plan board but I do have so I looked at a few other bases
in the cushion 90% of them have to be clean felt not stone not sand it's a clean fil i think that maybe we are finding the reason why some of these other ones are well dispenser in a clean fill that's what you're going to use and
even the um according to the wetlands act it's a clean fill you can't use this you can't use an urban back fill you can't use stuff it's supposed to be a clean fill um I don't have a cross-section of what you guys originally used in there i actually did
look through it um is it 3 inus clean fill is it 1/4 in minus 3 it says filled gravel is what it says clean gravel now that's what I'm saying so you got 3 inus clean fil gravel you got 1/4 in minus it
says clean gravel that's exactly what it says clean bread so tell you can't use an urban backfield you can't use a clay you can't use anything like that cuz I know where was it i think it was the golf
course well I don't know what to think because a septic system when you use a septic systemic system i was saying to have a septic system drain and you have to use sand right but
this does not require sand and they don't require sand right and I looked into that pretty good because I was thinking maybe they might have filled it with the improper materials i don't know what you guys did that was before we never even went out there the bas was actually way up before we anyone on this
course was there right no it was it was already built it was already built um so I don't know what the materials are um maybe you get back to us with it um the other thing is I still don't know if 6 in is going to
work since there was over 6 in in it so but that's what I'm saying if it's if it's not if the soils are not draining whatever rainfall we have it's like having a wheelbarrow back it's going to return correct so here's what we can do
i can entertain a motion that this basically goes to pay review let them do the homework for us let them figure out why it ain't draining cuz if the elevation's only going to change 6 in that basin should only have a couple inches in it now because if you put 6 in
on what's top there now and there's 9 in of water it still ain't never going to drain can I just The only problem I see with us keep doing the peer review is peer review does not do they only like review
the plans nope nope that's incorrect we can talk to Bay review and tell them what we're looking for we're looking for them to go out check the basin go a hole in the basin see what's going on we can they will do whatever we ask they're technically working for us so if we send
the the basin to peer review let them look at it see if they think this is going to be a 6 in if not then we can take and figure out what the next step if they do then we can say "Okay we got to peer review that." They accepted it let's go with
that so with that being said I'd like to again entertain a motion to put the bas under peer review i'm sorry about No that's okay i just wanted to uh to to the point that peer review we can ask the peer reviewer to to look at correct
review work for us right and and I and I think to Eric's point you know I mean if we're you know we're trying to identify likely explanations if we we can do it with an augur I mean if we can get that answer if the
material that's in there is actually perching the water if there's something going on there I don't think that's a part of something we should just Okay so for the third time I'd like to enterain motion with this bas
video so all those fail with that being said I don't know we'll give you a list of three you guys pick it and get the peer review out there we will once you
pick the paper review we would like to talk to them before we go out there so we can tell them our concerns what we're expecting them to do for us and um then we'll go from there what we can do is we can do it um I can take and we'll bring
this up on another discussion once we have hear back from peer review and then we'll go from there sounds good all right thank you very much thank you okay next one 550 Main Street never since
reviewed taken okay Steve is not here we haven't heard from Steve from a while down okay with that being said guys what I think we should do is have M reach out
to Steve and Bill see if these bills were done see if these are still talking see if things are working see what's going on because without Steve here without Phil here we can't really make anything on this just keep on the agenda i went in there a couple times didn't
look much different the other day the other day I was coming down the road i got caught behind a truck with a big uh dump truck utility vehicle with tracks on it going in there so I assume they move forward on doing some
of the work what the long so what we'll do is we'll have Mark reach out to um Steve and Bill and see where we are in the process and tell them we'd like them here for the next discussion all right sound good sounds good
okay 588 middle road season desist update review matters presented votes may be taken so I know Mark just stepped out for a couple seconds here but um we did have a site visit with Pico um as
far as their order of conditions they have on site and he was very very easy to work with he uh put us in his truck he gave Mark and I a ride around showed us everything that he does he keeps his silk fences always maintained um he
tries to go out there at least once a month there was a couple that u deer knock over course trying to cross them so he said that's one of his biggest concern on maintaining the silk fence is the deer the other thing he him and I discussed was his fueling station um
this fueling station is supposed to be within 100 ft away from zone that property's so narrow you can't put it 100 ft from above cuz if he goes 100 ft this way he's going to be too close to that so he right now his fueling is
approximately close to 70 ft away from the bordering wetland down here the property slopes down so what Manny said he's going to do is he's going to clear out some blocks there he's going to put a big V with some concrete barriers he's
going to keep oil absorbent socks in there at all times i also requested that he get two spill kits one at the fuel station and one at the grinder and um then him called me the other day he said "Jim I'm having a hard time finding
which ones to buy." So me being on the water I have all the connections i sent him all the information where to buy i told him where to buy the oil the light um and then when I was on the phone with him I asked him I said "You know something?" I said "You should have
three." I said "Did you have one at the m one at the fuel station if something goes wrong with the other end?" And he said "Jim I'll even put four whatever you guys want." So he is unbelievably working with us easily um like I said there was even one spot I didn't like
where he had some green i said "Man this is really a little close." He said "No problem pull it up." And so like I said he's no problem he said "We can visit anytime we want." Um very very easy to work with with that being said Mark and I actually ended up leaving shaking his
hand and saying thank you so and one thing I didn't mention all the barriers that were put up before his lunch that was all through the D he had the engineers everything was permanent it came to the conservation commission so
everything there is 100% of what the guy is doing is right to his voice all right mhm how did you make out with the problem well that's what I'm going to discuss next in with Mark so the main
problem was the clearing of the property so Mark and I had a discussion the property owner came in met with us on a Friday a Friday evening um it was a very very good meeting
um we gave her three recommendations to call um to get uh a botnist replication out there and just to get some advice from him um she's more than willing to
work this as a joint effort between the uh between the commission and her doing the things the proper way um we're not going to send this to D and let them you know investigate it we're going to try to handle it in house as
long as she's cooperating with us I think that's the best way to go mark agrees and she's 84 years old she's a resident of this town um there's no reason to just say "Here's the D attacker." Right right so I think it's
actually a really good thing that she's willing to work with us we're willing to work with her um I know that you know um a couple issues were said that shouldn't have been um one was the name was brought up that shouldn't have been brought up but
I actually went and talked to one of the gentlemen that were mentioned and I kind of told him I said you know the worst part about this is that when the fitting or however you want to put it was done um it doesn't give us the right to tell
you don't look for this in the future right you want to tell us the truth so we can go forward and say "Hey if you go to another town that you might have this issue please go to the conservation commission if you do another job on our town and you see this might be possible
please come to us for us." Right and I think that's part of the biggest thing is putting people aware right and we even have it with residents buying houses right everyone just do do what they want and figure out I bought this
property it's mine so I think part of the problem was awareness so we make sure we put that out there um she's truly aware now and I think we should just move forward and see what we hear back from her and let us know how things
are looking keep us in the loop and once we get more information we'll spread it among the commission and um we'll just go from there so with that being said Joanne I would like to keep 588 on the discussion matter just in case she does get back to us we can just bring it
right up so I I would just add it was it was uh I don't know i would say it was a pleasure it was an unfortunate circumstance to meet the property owner but as you said longtime resident been involved with a lot of u activities
benefiting the town i think just generally I mean my approach and I think all of the artist approach is to work with the residents and to echo what you're saying is it's better to work with people up front you know I'm not here to
uh hammer anybody inflict you know anything I'm here to you know and I think as all of you all as well is to try to protect the resource there's reasons why there's a weapons protection and I do and you know building that
rapport with the public in the long run that you know we're we're trying to within the constraints we have to operate under I mean we're a resource and you know to try to remedy the situation and I and hopefully that was
my impression from our meeting and I hope it was genuine you know but uh we did bring up some music you said uh at another meeting We done the voice of Bristol Aggie so we gave her a
few of the inside resources that we thought of so we're passing it on and she actually has connection has done a lot 26 years on the beautifification with the town she did the green behind the town ways so she's very involved in
this town she loves this town and um I think moving forward we're going to do very well i I agree and I I I think the most important thing again this case is to educate the people of this town um we're here to provide not just the
service but to protect the wetlands the streams the things that we do because we do care about this town and the mistake happened now it's time to hopefully recuperate and and that's why you know it came off the top of the head of of
you know the Boy Scouts i would like to see the site cleaned up by hand and and not put some equipment in there that could obviously cause more harm than good um you know to clean up the screen to do the right thing is
is my hopes to go about cleaning up again um a site a mistake that happened um in educating um the homeowners the people that own these lands um feel free to contact us
to reach out that's why we're here uh is to help we're not we're not here to hinder anybody um and and that's all we ask a board thank you Doug all right so with that being said
275 men well delineation review of matters presented both may be taken um I know that we have the rights if you don't mind just staying in name i am Lauren Miy i live at 275 road the property is subject to an Eversource
easement um and Eversource is bringing that new line that transmission line down through the property uh so we're going to be losing a very long line of bushes that have been there for over 10
years um Everource is willing to work with us to um move some incompatible species to other parts of the property um but we need to know if cuz they're taking everything out uh we need to know if we
can remove the stumps and the root balls because it's in the um the wetland buffer um and we need to know if we can uh animal species in that same footprint uh I do have a wetland delineation that came out on March
20th i don't know if you guys want to keep that um but this is the line question this entire thing there's also a fence right here so that you're talking you're going to take this area from right here all the way down that
all has to go And and the goal is to re-replicate this after they're done working with things that don't grow um okay as high we can't have anything that grows larger than 15 ft under the power lines
um the fence um so I I've applied it for an application with Eversource to keep the fence that's also um it wasn't put in properly it's not grounded it's a uh it's a metal fence um I don't have
answers if they will let me keep that fence yet if we cannot keep it they will replace it but again I I hoping it can go back in the same spot so I think you guys I'd love to have you come out and do a site visit
so here's one thing that I want to say Lauren i know that um you and I were talking and you said that their delineation line is not approved right so and my understanding was that when you guys looked at it it would be approved i not correct so we are not we
are not going to say that that line is good what that source has to do is apply for Oh what an should I ask them to do that well tell them that you came before the board they're looking for them to apply for an internet that means someone else is
going to have to go and make sure they don't accurate right okay from the start all she's asking for to take the thumbs up right problem is we do not
have to take them out they're going to do whatever they want anyways we just let her do what she wants to do that would be ideal seeing how it's all there already they're going to go in here they're going to rip it all up they're going to do whatever they're going to do anyway
right but right there though right they are exact right and they're trying they're trying to be a good neighbor we're going to call it right with with the relocation and replanting of the trees i I I think they're they're trying to be fair
um probably based upon some discussions you've had with them early on some contentions right so they're trying to play to play fair and they we all know they don't have to they they can do whatever they feel
right so let's give them the benefit of the doubt and throw the handrad at them and see what kind of an answer you get there's there's no there's no I'm going to like take a motion to I don't think we have discussion or
not be taken okay want to just let her do her thing if she wants to take the stem cell she can take the stem cell as long as it's within the area of original removal stay within that blueprint okay what about
the test i thought it was too but I mean if they if they tell me that that old fence has to go because it's metal because it's metal would I be able to put back so technically
we that's going to land but on our end I don't see any problem it's not like she's deliberately going out and clearing a piece of property to extend her land or anything she's just stolen anything we're going
to have to probably sign off on it but here's the thing right just so everyone knows too she bought this property she didn't permanate for it she's not doing the Oh yeah that's that's that would be And she might not have to cuz she might be exempt because it's not under her will she's not she's not the one that's
doing it i actually for that too but yeah I'll just make it easier for her and I talk a little bit she kind of like nervous talking and stuff so I'll make a phone call for her but as far as the plants stay in the
same blueprint so where they are put them back i'm not saying the same species put them back um cuz Eric is right they're exact they can say wetlanders wherever they want they are exempt so and the other thing is just so everyone knows on the floor that when she bought this property she didn't even know that Eastment was there that they
were going to be putting a new one right alongside of her house these wires going to be right over the corner of our house yeah there's going to be a hole in her front yard now yeah I I understand so anything to do to get the beauty back I
think she should have full right to do and I I'm pretty sure there's other plans from not you wanted to look at maybe you might be able to go to the assessor's office they might be able to point you in the right direction for plan
in regards to where the ease went yeah you should there should be plans somewhere that has on it you have plans yeah i mean there are there are plans right when we bought and I asked for the plan I was given one
that didn't have the house on it so what was So I asked for a plan that showed the easement and when it was handed to me it was like one of the ones you guys copy out of your out of your books right i don't know the
Yeah but we we weren't concerned because if you look at the the paper the trees and bushes make what we thought a pretty obvious line right there's a fence that then joins a wooden guard rail that Eversource put in so the border we
thought was pretty clear it comes within a foot of our porch the only other spot where you could retain that information would be the registry of deeds if there's anything the registry of deeds will definitely help yeah I do have I do have all of those so I'm an intervenor in this project for Eversource now so
I'm trying to get as much information as I can before the hearing next week and they were the ones that suggested um you know talk with your conservation first because we don't we don't want them to just cut these beautiful things down and have you know these ugly stones we want
to be able to save what we can well if we just reclaim them and go yeah taking full advantage of that they will they will move some but the our ladies are what like 35 ft tall we can't move those they won't survive
they're pretty high it's an off I'll get them to move every single one that you want play back what you want stay close to that blueprint you're good with us that way the fence good luck i will talk to Andy for you and
kind of do the same thing we're saying is that it's there it's always been there ever since you might have to replace it with a vinyl fence and it go back to the same footprint and I will call you and I'll get back to you i just want you to know that we have no problem
with we're giving you permission to put the plans right back we don't care how close you are to the buffer zone they were there you want to establish that line make something look halfway decent and um move forward with that thank you i appreciate that you're welcome have a
good night all right 261 hand was treated resident complaints engaging letter sent address uh possible storm water violation review of matters presented may be taken uh
21 [Music] how you doing good hello good all right so we had this complaint about them clearing and doing all this other stuff so automatically I kind of spoke with him on the phone the other night i was telling him that anything
40,000 square ft lawn mower has to come before the storm water permit um I went there with Christian we ran a quick tape measure um it went around 8,000 9,000 square ft that you cleared there was a lot of work done prior to them owning
this house um the backyard was a mess he had to push everything up in the piles um when Chris and I were walking in we saw no new cut subs uh the trees that we didn't see that was just recently cleared are up in a pile everything else I think he's just trying to feed it back we pushed everything in
a pile and he's saying that it cost a lot of money to get rid of of course I told the other day that he loaded a dump drill and sent it to the town so he's going to start doing that the issue that Christian and I had was um probably the northwest corner property that was that
um there was a a mound there and it was kind of like a BM that would stop any water coming off this property that's the low spot it would stop the water getting direct to the wetlands so when I was talking I had when I met his wife I says you know have your husband call me
tonight and I talked with him i said "Do me a favor get that right out of there immediately so this way the water flows natural back into the wetlands." After I told him that the town would take his trees and branches and stuff um I asked
that he work from the wetlands to the higher lands stop the furthest in come back out um they did do a lot of cleaning up that place was a disaster before they purchased it they only owned it 3 months and um of course once again
you know you you don't call the conservation commission and say I got to mess in my backyard or the clearing they did so they can put in a pictures um cage for their son this son's being a pigeon so um I think this was more of an
angry old neighbor than an actual legit complaint um violation he's definitely not a violation like I said it's very low square footage compared the regulations they're more than willing to take he's actually going to start on it
this weekend they're going to take all that burn right out of there that might be stuck in the water and then he's willing to stop on that corner and move it up and I actually think he was very glad that I told him that you don't have to pay to get rid of the town right yeah all the west boy only getting one
load here and there so there's a will of be released the only thing that I ask when you do send it to the town try to make sure the dirt's not in it you know the word is the wood i mean it doesn't matter branches stumps whatever it is try to keep it as clean as possible um
and you know who knows you might need a jerk for your bag uh your pitching cage whatever you need um there's no violation here uh move on and uh good luck in the future thank you yeah i just have to say that this is our first home
so we didn't know like you said for us to call so yes you know now we know first homeowners home we have no idea exactly have to you know call you guys first before you call you got to call it right
yeah and like I told you on the phone if any questions feel free to reach out you have my phone on my direct cell phone give me a call i'm more than willing to talk with you or meet you if I have to um don't be shy all right if I could Jimmy all I'm going to
ask from my standpoint once again and I'm always throwing my two senses is when you guys do break that burn down and clean that back is just to give Jimmy a call so we can do a quick drive by we're satisfied with that
exercise many times and if I may um you need to understand as far as the conservation commission is concerned we're we're mainly concerned with weapons impact yeah you know and you do have some weapons in there so you
know if you do want to do any other uh projects close to that you should just ask yeah as soon as call us consult with us thank you yeah that's it thank you
thank you okay the next one I have to recuse myself and I'm going to give this all right 21 Cushing Lane letter sent to owner possible storm water violation review of matters presented
votes may be taken um we got uh we got a complaint about some land clearing of this property um I uh I did a site visit um
the other day and it does appear that they are violating the uh storm water um it it it it's a substantial amount of land that was cleared i think I think we need to get some some kind of
clarification from the uh property owner in regards to the exact footprint of of the area that was uh that was cleared so that we have a better understanding uh as to whether they are
uh you know responsible for storm water permit for what they've done so yeah so we did it's noted here on the agenda we we sent the letter to the property owner uh we still haven't heard
back anything uh today was the deadline so um the next thing I I was going to pursue is trying to reach out to uh the engineer i believe it was the engineer on the property and try to get some additional
information and I I had eyes on it and um it looks I mean I wasn't as clear yeah i I didn't encroach on the property but from an adjacent property and and it and it looked substantial and it sounds
like it storm that's my point yeah i think that was in violation of storm yeah so and and again we're still waiting for a response they got the presumably they received the letter yeah well I'm going to go ahead and move
forward but we could receive something back from these property owners it appeared well so did we submit a a letter to the homeowner yeah that's what he's saying yeah yeah you just show me where where the
new clear is so this is prior to the solar that's right it's actually turn to I'm sorry Yeah yeah hold on
you did we did i did i we don't actually I didn't answer eyes on it i don't think they were actually they were actually on the cross
wall I guess where you can see the work from the property they had access to we have to soar on your own so one thing I guess and I
[Music] wasn't but there's some question as to whether there might be some weapons in there yeah that's another possibility that's so yeah I might want to pursue that
right i did right GIS Max which is amazing that's why the It was also land for a land owner to know if they go on and nothing comes
up at the same time well if it's under 40,000 you don't expect to get near enough even though 40,000 isn't very much 200 by 200 so technically like any offset
lost it was all a couple hundred feet about one in one line when I went in yeah did you go in the same way i drove in the ground this is all I see there was a little bit
more back here so at this time why don't we resubmit a certified letter to your property owner and put the burden on the owner and then what's going on here
reach out this so this is 17 if we don't hear something that green is what I know again it's back in this area from from cuz it was a diagonal from the house you
know what I'm saying it was definitely diagonal so it was so pretty large um so at some point so much jurisdiction we can all go out and um see this at some point if there's more questions
so Mark what's your recommendation well um how would you like to move forward on this to resolve well the letter was it sent regular mail was it right there i'll
send that yeah that'll be the next up yeah and then I'm going to try again i think I have the engineer i'm going I'm going to reach out to them as well and say you know it hears that you got issue with storm water you got to talk and
move and uh do they I'm sorry if you have any right where again where do you want to go again we we need to establish a statute here my thoughts my opinions is we need
to make sure that we're speaking directly to the landowner the homeowner whatever the case may be and and then go with a consult on an engineer to see because we don't we don't want uh a
violation trespass right but we don't want to get caught up in that so we really we need to communicate with the land owner on this right and and put the burden on them and and we we we move the way we need to move after we
reach that contact is is my first including the letter access to the sign then we can get on the
property and if we don't hear act to the next next okay next 21-day waiver of time review of measure may be taken so we are really getting hammered
into this office and the problem is we have so many days to take [Music] We have so many days that we're required to get this stuff looked at sent back so
we're trying to It's 21 days that is by law so what we're trying to do is we're trying to have jobs residents whoever we feel we can't handle is within the 21 days to sign a waiver of time which then will take a little bit
of stress off of this office and I'm going to tell you I've been spending a lot of time in this office trying to help up and I'm a volunteer so I know that Joanne's there every day and the work that goes across her desk is
sometimes ridiculous it really is and to try to get these dates out is crazy so what I would like to do is take a vote on this that the 21 week 21 waiver be passed to these people could
you please sign a 21-day right if they do not sign the waiver as a commission we have the right to continue it instead of bringing it forward so if it comes to us on the
board we can say well we're too back up we need to get a good look at it we're asking to this to be continued but if we can get them to voluntarily do the waiver of time it's going to actually save us a lot of
headaches with that being said I'd like to put a vote in mot it's a 21 awaiting the 21 day right so if you give us a a blueprint and say "Okay this is what I want i want to go this in front of the um commission
we're going to take we're going to stamp it the day we receive it we have 21 days to act on it am I correct on that Joanne correct so this will wave that 21 days all right did you I understand what
we're trying to accomplish and not against my question is we as the conservation commission have to abstain by mass and federal law did you make sure that this would be legal between
mass and state federal law this is a voluntary signing they do not have to sign it it's asking a voluntary it's not a demand well then you just said we have the right to continue it we have the right to continue it when it comes before the commission so if they don't
sign this waiver we have to address it within the 21 days just if any comes before the board within 21 days we can look at that person and say due to us not having an an ample time to look at it we are going to continue this to the next meeting so then that means they
came to this meeting and we're going to take and send them to the next meeting right if they signed away we can say "Hey listen we're going to try to get it as soon as we can we're going to let you know when the agenda is we're going to put you on as soon as we can then it's going to stop them from coming here and
getting that continuous so they might be happier to sign it then to come all the way we got people coming from so what if we have a company coming in from New sorry to do this but we didn't have a time to look at it we're sorry we're
going to put this on a continuum we have the right to continue it's going to stop now as they sign the waiver they're going to say "Oh give us a call." It's better than driving all the way from New Hampshire coming here to be continued so in some spots the waiver is
going to benefit us the only problem is that 21 thing is there for a reason i'm not saying it was a bad idea to to force the the commission to
to relationship and we're not forcing it but we're asking them can you sign this waiver so they can say no I'm not signing it I want to go through the 21 days and we'll say okay not a problem but then like I said we do have the
right to continue right so that's so this right here it gives the applicant notice that we might continue it on you if we don't get a can if you sign this waiver we're going to give you a call and let you know exactly what is going on the agenda where we can work on this
some people might sign it some people not so and it's not it's not just the run-of-the-mill single family house i I I think we get a lot of stuff come in and I you know right under the wire to
make the agenda and things that literally need and and and my concern uh this was uh and Joanne can speak to to where this this idea came from but we
want to give adequate consideration to major projects when that have potential to have storm water to flood out we want to make sure that things that need to be reviewed we have time you know this is
my impression not everything but there's some things that are coming in these these 21day deadlines and are are rushing us and I'm not strong i just think they want to try to build in some kind of buffer that we can make
sure some projects that need real scrutiny get it that's this is voluntary and this wasn't something I made up very came from um actually was suggesting that this was
probably something I needed to do moving forward so he's the one who helped me kind of put this together and he even uses it other communities are using this um that I'm aware of so I kind of made it and adjusted it to us it it's going
to give the applicant more time free me from running ads from the deadline to Friday and having them possibly come here and we're not prepared just and the other thing is just so you
know there has been stuff that brought last minute and some engineers do let me give it to the commission very last minute where they don't have the time to review it they have to go by the 21-day law and this is before that I realize you continue it so then we get it now
we're in a rush of looking at stuff we miss some things and then things are bad we issue things that are bad right so we do this and then we'll decide it now it slows everything down where we can say "Hey you know something i can't be here on a Tuesday." So now this gives them
Wednesday to look at it or Friday to look at it or maybe I can't walk in the office on a Wednesday i got my granddaughter but I'll just stop looking at on a Tuesday right so it's going to give us a little more buffer time to really look into what they're asking what the blueprints are and like I said
now that we also know that we have the right to continue it I don't think it's fair to someone to continue it that drives all the way from New Hampshire everyone convenes and then only to just be turned around what's on what would be on the other end so if we
decide to do this what what what's going to be the other end how long do they have to wait well Lena said date right so we just asked them to wait the 21 day and my date is 29 you can put that in the I the one that I worked from the template was
90 days totally yeah 60 something like that yeah we can add that in definitely and I'll just add one more thing too i mean it rushes our decisions you all are volunteers and we
send things out joanne will send things out and you get it in mass you know you got to print the stuff out you have other obligations i just I just You all are on the commission for your expertise you know you should have some time that's
just Yeah i just want to make sure that this we got to have a y as a we need to just have where it's not going to be like we just keep putting these projects off we got to be held under2 please be advised that you be notified
of this meeting once this application signed to a conservation commission meeting agenda you want to go up to 60 days up to I would like to see it that we're still we still have to be upheld cuz especially in construction you got people trying to make plans you're
trying not only are you dealing with engineers you're dealing with contractors you're dealing with this you're dealing with that you're dealing with seasons you know if you you got to put you a lot of times we put things in at the winter time so that it's ready come spring you know and then the next thing you know this gets put off gets
put off then you know so you reasonable mind that wouldn't be up to me whoever the extra time what would be a reasonable time for you was not me i have finally bothered ultimately that could
be assessed at the time of of presenting the waiver to the to the but then there's nothing that we are getting held bound to I again I said you could leave it to the discretion of the applicant you can you can prepare it so
that you come in agreement with the applicant is 45 days sufficient is 60 days as opposed to having something well every month held up to a day so like like she was saying chairman
speak um I think that's a great point um having a deadline and the only issue that I see Christian with the variable date depending on the case i mean you could have a a spot just fill that in as
as the document was was signed right and fill it up the only issue with that is we want to be sure that we treat every case the same even though we know that that every case is different but the procedural piece of it we want to make
sure that we follow that procedure for everyone so if it's going to be 60 days for this case it should be a maximum of 60 days for that case too and I'm unsure of
of whether there is a deadline so I'm not sure about about that well the template that I was given the one that was taken from the 80 90 days so I thought that was a little far out i
would have suggested 60 days but the request also has the date it was submitted on yes so that we start that we can go up to 60 days i mean between the chairman and the agent determining what that would be along with the
applicant i would suggest a rotation you know have them along how they came in right nobody gets taken out of order right it's based on first i I would just caution and just be sure to double check the Mass General law on
that um because as communities we do make errors so we don't want replicate an error that's been happening in another time the gentleman that furnished me with this has served on
many commissions okay and has actually taught classes at NACC so I feel pretty confident but we can definitely double check and that's why it's here before them that would be that would be
my 60-day deadline and this and this will apply to storm water and the protection we don't have to do this right now right what if we have to do our diligence a little better check Mass General Law come up with a good time
error that works best for you and then have it totally ready and then we approve the final document it's not we we as Jimmy knows today we got four notices of tests coming in on the
horizon we should have never stopped doing two weeks two two a week we now we're down to one well that's your opinion that's your opinion I I don't share that opinion okay this is a voluntary decision we can
we I will look into mascal laws and if I have any questions maybe I can talk to you so I I believe this is from a reputable person fair but let's just trust but
verify I don't know if having an outer we can't take more than this amount of time and again we don't have to decide now but maybe it's a this is the maximum of time that we permission to take applicants could take less You know
he we just got to watch the game and next thing you know you got one guy saying 50 one guy says 60 so I get a little confused and it's like hey what did Frank have on his I agree with you we set a dead date right so let's just say we go to 60 days i think we should
try to put this together today and then look into the mass so we can pick it up cuz if we can I want to use it for the next four coming in right you can't use it until it's verified by law we can do that
i'd like to make a motion to accept that based upon the confirmation that moving forward we're not in litigation or legality uh with the MACC or any other agency uh by endorsing it and following this uh
what we're about to implement with the 60 days with the 60 days that work for you guys the deadline 60-day deadline and I'm not saying we're going to use a 60 between the chairman and the agent and myself with the
deadlines that we have in front of us we see what comes in communicate with them it's only you know Jimmy so do I have folks i I All right so we can write right on in
60 days just so we know that we have it there and going forward uh is there anything to sign nothing okay now go for this uh the next meeting of the prospace
commission will be on April 23rd 2025 meeting be held at the police station conference room located at 64 middle road of cushion Massachusetts with that being said can I get a motion to adjourn this meeting motion to second all those in
favor being adjourned [Music] heat heat [Music]