[Music] being 7 o' to a motion to open our meeting so moov second all in favor hi good evening everyone this is a meeting of the finance committee it's Wednesday February 12th
20125 uh tonight we are meeting with a delegation from the school uh Miss Sarah goes from the school Dr Paula Bailey our school superintendent and Patrick McIntyre our school business manager behind the door that was Sarah hi yeah no I said
Sarah I wait a minute I'm I'm looking around um yeah so we're here to discuss uh the pending school project involving the elementary school building and just looking to get some updates uh any new developments um so I'll hand the
presentation that we had at our school committee last evening um pass one now you don't mind am I sitting standing and pat p before you start for our delegation um we have a new Finance
Committee Member Mr Phil Adams welcome sorry just going to say I'm not going to go through the presentation um necessarily I don't know enough about it at this point to to talk to you guys about what
you have concerns about um as far as updates go um you know we received the investment grade audit on January 6th which was considered the final um we've gone through it in length um but there
are some components to the figures that we've yet to kind of release the information for that reason so every Source still owes us um information on how much of an incentive they're going to fund this project by and the reason being is the size of the Project based
on the energy um efficiencies within it um and the decarbonization component if you will um they're customizing an incentive for us um and in order to do that they're actually they've hired a technical analysis uh analyst excuse me
to perform a technical analysis on the data that train has presented so that they have faith and can rely on the data that train has presented in order to incentivize the project so it's almost like a third party kind of auditing the information that was presented to us and
then rewarding us with the custom and something accordingly um so that number is still out there we supposed to have a call this Monday in regards to that um it's needed to do a little more work and that's been um rescheduled for at some point next week we should have figures and what what's happening is they really
have their number they can't share it with us until it works its way up corporate and gets approved for them to share it um so you at this point we have no idea whether you're talking 1% 50% um where it's going to be what I understand
is the $300 to $500,000 range um and it's going to be Benchmark depending on how much we use an energy or how much we save in oil or how much it's kind of as far as we go the incentive will go um I
I don't want to speak to it too much more in case that I do this we since it's not officially on the table yet so like 7 to 15% of the overall stage one cost um if it's at 3 to 500,000 well so if we're looking at 4 million yeah that
makes sense um and then the other missing component is the Green community grant that we applied for um up to $500,000 um again we've been following up on what the delay is to to the awards for those grants in the past it's been
January told it was going to be January again it's lagged um we've reached out and uh there's just there's been nothing there so obviously those two figures could drastically uh Drive the price down or keep it at the ceiling of the 4
million that were anticipating um other than that the information has generally stayed the same um as far as the problems with the buildings um which direction we're looking to go um as far as a exclusion to f on the project there's really no
other way at this point in time um I've met with the Town Administrator the town clerk um the moderator the accessor to start figuring out all those different components of what articles are going to be doe what the language needs to say how is this going to affect the tax rate
um preliminary off of a $4 million figure I have it impacting the taxes at $ per thousand so if you have in or excuse me 18 cents per thousand $18 per no so the medum home from what I
found in the Chris is somewhere between 400 to $450,000 so the tax implication would be around $70 to $80 a year if my if my math is correct I don't want to that to be quoted yet until I can have the assessor look at that cuz that's you
know that's their their uh expertise if you will so question for you you're talking about 4 million for stage one and then mil is the is the project so we have no more 1 through five there there's components 1 through
five but we're proposing them all at the same time because it goes back to the idea that this was a comprehensive project put together to maximize incentives to drive down the price and to solve the overall problem we can assume that by doing it in stages maybe it will solve components of
it but the longer delay and don't have that information without the experience and the actual evidence um you know we're putting ourselves at risk and then the price of all this other all these other components are just going to grow exponentially between now and two three
four five years and and and the incentives won't be there anymore I know two of the the questions we had one of them was what do we where do we stand with the warranty on the roof I know we spent half a million dollars just recently y
another what 600,000 G was coming up soon so so the Ro um through this project was you know studied by Engineers one to support the equipment that they would be adding um and two to make sure we wouldn't Avid the the warranty through the roof and
essentially from the manufacturer in ride we got confirmation that as long as we use a certified mule High vendor whether it's the guy that put the roof on our building or or any other certified mule High vendor the warranty will stay intact and that vendor uses all in that same $4 million yes y it's
all buil in and the three self-c contract accordingly by train and I don't know if I'm skipping ahead or not but I know one of the questions we asked was annually what are we looking at for maintenance cost I know filters have to be expensive as hell but what other
type of do we have licensing agreements that we have to put in for it um other services we have to do from outside technicians is it going to create more of a draw on our existing facilities Personnel for the town for the school to upkeep these I mean all of that's
information that we need before we can make an educated decision too yeah so a lot of that is disclosed in the investment grade audit to the extent where you know they measure the amount of energy that we will save but also that they're adding with this new equipment um they measure the amount of oil that we're using versus what we'll
save by switching to electricity in some extent um the the routine maintenance is going to be routine maintenance no matter what equipment exists to remad you know that's a part of it the the building management system um which is your controls is at once and and that's
it you know occasionally like a computer we going have software updates they won be of charge um and those systems would be maintained we'll be trained on them we get 40 hours of training for whoever we want to be able to understand and utilize that building management system
um and then the air purification component of the equipment that we're adding actually extends the life of our our our filters that you mentioned that we don't have to replace them nearly as regularly as we would um so there's a lot in the guts of the investment grade
audit that we're anticipating to share soon once we kind of have our more intimate steering committee meetings and then we get the engineers in the building to talk about that with this group with the select board with the public in public hearing cuz I know we've all talked about it not necessarily in regards to the Schools
project but overall there concerns about going 100% electric because at 100% electric with what's happened with the electricity rates it's a hell of a lot cheaper to use oil right now than it is electricity especially with a source charging us twice as much for delivery
than for Supply it's it's not incorrect to say that um fortunately or unfortunately I guess whatever side you're on the state is pushing to incentivize going electric and that's where we would be able to afford a lot of this project is is through that the
other piece that we have um in the background that we've been working on for a couple years I don't have a ton of these that was sure if I was going to talk to them or not um is the select project that was voted on at Town Meeting of
2023 it's the can it actually it's extended because the smart incentives have changed it makes a r project more feasible um so actually we presented this at the school committee last night um with the intentions to sign a letter of intent in April which is not leg
binding it just says hey we're going to work with you to try to figure out how we can get this project going um and and they present PPA savings so this will be a power purchase agreement we don't owe the equipment we don't maintain the equipment they're essentially using our real estate to put solar on the campus
to generate energy to sell it Us sell it to us at a discounted price um they're forecasting whether this is a prevailing wage project or not and I'm not saying their forecast is accurate they're assuming a 2.5% escalation rate and electricity for the next 25 years um but
for the 8e eny they're saying over 25 years this could generate or save us 1.7 million um and then on the Ford parking lot through the can they're saying that could save us another 1.2 so we have $3 million potentially um in savings if we
can move forward this project years the increases exactly so to your point of if we're using more energy it would make sense the ti it's so which we had train evaluate and it's disclosed the investment grade audit but their
model for the the way that we procured it through this performance contract and to force us to own it own the asset which we it's not feasible for us we don't have a big enough team we don't have the expertise and we don't want to be replacing equipment after 10 15 25 years so this seems to be a better fit
for us um and you know I I'd like to to bring select back in to talk more about this to see if this you know is in the appetite of the Town um and the school committee and ultimately again that warrant went forward May 2023 with a yes and The Way It Was Written the town
would be the one signing and engaging on the contract would select so if they went through this and you may or may not know this and what are we looking at for solar in terms of generating for your monthly use we have an average of What
the expectation K hours that would be consuming versus what this would I I can't I don't I have some estimate not the biggest piece with solar is when it's behind the meter you control the demand charge and the demand charge is is what they kill you with on your bill it's the highest rate of electricity for
the largest 15 minute interval over the month and they they kind of not tax you on it but that's that's where they they raise the fees and get you with everything else so by going behind the meter we actually control the demand and
we keep our our rates flat and and we keep our energy kind of level that we don't have to pay those taxes of energy if you will um so one of the benefits and then in addition again you know I can't say for sure if these annual figures are enough to cover our bill or
if it's going to be Surplus and it's going to be money in the bank or not that's certainly going to be an analyzed um but regardless or not I see it as an opportunity for the town and the school to White when we're you know in another year of minimal growth um minimal
Revenue we kind of have to explore everything here um you can't use these this savings to say reduce the debt exclusion they have to kind of come hand in hand and do a dead exclusion and then you have this and this maybe you know reduces the operating budget at some extent but the dead exclusion has to
exist um you know Jamie and Mr Kelly can talk more about the Deb exclusion and if we ban it for 6 months to a year and then Bond it and then after 10 years you can send your bond out to Market and that could change the landscape of what the tax impact would be um but again
that's all for basing at this point um the $70 to $80 per $450,000 median home value it would is based on year one which is the highest principal in interest and then gradually it would decrease over time as you pay down your principal so the the hardest
hit would be the $70 $80 a year for how how many years did you project for that it would be a 20 year 20 um and again that's tied to the procurement and and that those agreements can only extend for 20 years at a maximum I'm not up on the solar um
project but is that roof m or is it um so so both so ads would be Ro mounted and again they have to do all the structural engineering to make sure that it can take the weight the structure um they would maintain the warranties or we
wouldn't move forward with the project and then the other problem those like Ming roof and yeah but again this is what this is what they're in the business of doing this is what they deal with um colleges universities high schools middle schools so on and so forth so it's not unfamiliar to them um
and then the the middle school is an actual steel structure over the parking lot and again it's it's not our equipment we're not expected to touch it clear the snow off of it any of those things it's all on them um and a lot of that you can tweak and change once you
get to the contract period and which parking lot was it it was the old parking lot right it's the one right between the two schools closest to the uh the tennis courts what I call the old parking L the original The Originals opposed to the new one oh FR closer to street right and we're still as as a
school committee vetting all of this out so this is not a done deal we still want more information we still have a lot more questions to ask so don't think that this is a done Deal's ask right and again we can't even if it was a vote Yes from the school committee we can't move
forward with the with the select board meeting to be the ones to to execute the contract so um we're just Reviving The Conversation again trying to get creative with opportunity in this town um to offset costs would there be any expense to us for the solar part of the
project none n not out nothing out of pocket so and then the third party that's doing this audit is there assessment going to be contingent on the solar panels going on the roof this or or is it going to be done say say we're
not doing solar and they're going to do an assessment just based on the savings potential savings with heat pump talking yeah it it doesn't have anything to do with the solar it has to do with the equipment and and you know utilizing more energy y yep exactly building
efficiencies they me they're measuring all of that and Patrick you said you know we do this and they're going to sell us the electricity at a cheaper rate right what's what's the contract for that like is that part negotiated or known yet so it's forcasted here um again they they're they're giving you a
Callum here where they're saying grid delivered electricity cost and 15 cents in change right and then they're escalating it at two 2.5% over 25 years so who knows if in 25 years 27 cents is for electricity or not um but ultimately
you Mo over to be Callum where they say sew PPA rate and they're saying regardless of what your grid rate would have been we're we're Sig to deal with you to sew it at 4 cents per kilowatt hour so that's that's that's a given once we sign a contract Logistics
are wied out and they find out if this is going to be prevailing wage based on our council's decision or not there's a lot great area there um behind the meter there's ways around making it a preparing wage project otherwise if it's General construction usually it's
prevailing wage um I'm going to let the lawyers decide that um so that changes the cost But ultimately again this is what they're forecasting you know if we tell them they have to do certain things you know clear out the snow sure that you know x y and z are happening they're
going to increase that because it's going to cost them more money um so if we're looking at it you say it's 2.5 cents U per kilowatt hour 2.5% 2.5% increase I'm sorry per kilowatt hour
and what happens with the energy that's produced in abundance of what you use um is it do we do we have battery backups to utilize some of this so that's the discussion we talked about initially too uh in 2023 is having a battery backup it
it's sort of been decided that again that's just not an equitable piece for us to do but we would be able to bank that energy and then use it at a later point but there's still so much unknowns about batteries that size recycling them useful life um
the incentives around the batteries aren't there like they were a few years ago so uh it's all been consed gu in my opinion having solar myself and paying 1.7% on an increase the town's getting screwed
because the out the years months weeks that you're going to produce the most energy out of that is when your school is not open filled and opened so you're going to be paying for electricity in the cold months where you're getting
almost no usage out of it and they're going to be banking all the money that your solar panels are going to be producing in the warm months where they get to just cash it in yeah so I mean that's a it's a very good point I I I don't know the answer to whether or not
because it's behind the meter there's any any I'm just telling you 2.5% is at the end of the day we're going to use energy and we're going to be able to afford it at a cheaper rate than what we pay now that's when they're taking your average monthly use
and passing that throughout a year to kind to give you an average for it the problem is is your average monthly use is not going to be there in August when they're getting it it's going to be the most in the cold win months when you're not producing it so your expenses are going to be better more than what
they're showing you as an average because of that if you were in Florida it was a little bit different yeah but up here I yeah again tell I I Fair Point you know it's something I proposed to select to hear more about I mean do know
we we run our schools all year round not to the capacity where we have 400 students in each building but we have camps we have rental facilities you know Administration works out of them custodians are working every day lights are turning on every day you know the whole nine so it is but you know your
energy usage is much more in the winter months but right now that's via oil not electricity right so it the whole landscape changes with this same project and with Sol and you know depending you know if you will I'm just
your your heat is going to be running on electricity in the winter months if the Train F goes if the train well right so now you've got not only your regular usage you've got the increase based on your heat and again these are in months when you're not going to be generating
any Revenue through your solar so it's something that you seriously have to look at in terms of the whatever contract you're looking at cuz 2.5% well I agree again we're looking at any opportunity to Save A Buck that's that's what it comes down to and you
know with no no liability it's it's an option for us for the town cuz Bob Hinkley who works in solar I'm sure will yeah himself I wish he was here tonight with the heat pumps we would still be potentially using the oil correct
because at a certain temperature so we talked about that so the heat pumps are graded for 0° um to to be able turn on but it's more efficient for the boiler to get the temperature up to X and then the heat pumps to kick on so that's all the measurement analysis that train has done
too and including investment great audit so that's why it's not a full decarbonization project because we're not shutting off the boilers and forgetting them for good it's it's a it's a balance of what's more efficient and cost effective and it's the the boilers will kick on to let's say 20° and then the heat pumps take over and
get get you the rest of the way and then what's good about that is if you know power or anything else ever fails we still have the boilers um as a backup to heat sorry I feel like I've kind of taken over all the questioning so is this is this pricing including the the
leaks that we found in the walls and stuff it does not it does not a construction project that's not energy related as far as again the procurement goes um say it's not energy related but the problems solving was all tied into
moisture that was coming in from the leaks so if all we're doing is paying for an HVAC system to remove that moisture but we not we're not stopping it then we're looking at a a project that's not complete well they they're addressing the building envelope with insulation and and changes of that
extent but they're not removing you know this that project is looking like it needs you know 30 linear feet of a wall removed be ref flashed and put back together just do the intent to fix this before this goes in well so that's that's the million dollar question
really is um you know we're not experts to design what the solution is to that so we've been quoted for design build pro process on that would cost $40,500 just for them to design have some bid it and then oversee the project through fruition if we were to move forward with
it um that so that 40,000 doesn't involve Construction Construction we expect to be north of six for us $100,000 for just that component and again this is a problem that was disclosed in 2004 and it's been 20 years
now since then so you know it's just I heard you guys say on your finance committee the other night about the Council on Aging AG TR issue which was you know quoted for $36,000 two years ago nothing was done now you're paying 10 for one piece and it's you know
sometimes you got to spend 100 to save 300 in the future I think you said so it's that but you know with bigger numbers unfortunately and we're we're kind of getting to the Reckoning day where it could be a school at some point and we see that with Old Colony that's 100 million plus and we know we can't
afford that so we're trying to preserve our buildings through these projects that's that's the idea is you know address our needs address our concerns and preserve our buildings right now we have you've heard me say it 100 times 50 dehumidifiers plugged in 50 air priers
plugged in we have our our our uh custodians working overtime to empty all these units replace the filters and all these units just so we don't have that accident that happened you know a year ago I I lost the timeline at this point a year and a half ago um where we were
able to combat it with Esser funds without costing the town a single over $300,000 if that happens again where are we going to go for that you know how long will the building be shut down how much will it take over and Decay and you said the accident what do
you mean accident the well just calling it that I don't know if that's the proper term but where the humidity you know infiltrated the or the point where we had mold yeah I just I want to understand you said accident what exactly do we know what caused it exactly the humidity yep and how did the
humidity get to that level did did it was just the it was the season I mean I think we had the highest humidity levels in Massachusetts that year and um you know just with all the components and the leaks and the systems not working and being controlled where they should be the classroom's got humid I mean
still to this day you know I invite you guys you can walk into a classroom one classroom's heated it's 90° the one next to it's 60° and and it's because of our building management system controls that just aren't working properly hadn't been updated hadn't been maintained um we
talked about the duct work haden't been clear cleaned in in multiple years and just routine maintenance had been neglected over all this time and it it just it it all came together you can't isolate it to one exact thing but humidity was the driving factor to P all this together so the duck work was
cleaned I can I know that the duck work was cleaned at the elementary school okay um so probably before the pandemic around the pandemic during the pandemic over 50,000 was spent uh getting the
rooftop units at the elementary school uh back in order M and um sealant for the bricks was purchased and that was supposed to have been a project I don't know if that was ever ConEd but there was um there was I know that I purchased
Drums of sealant to seal the bricks and like I said I don't know if that had ever been done but the materials were purchased um so they utiliz um
so in terms of like the the building in 2004 so how did you become aware of that because this is I mean quite frankly the first time I'm hearing of this I wasn't there in 2004 but I had never seen
anything addressing leaks in the building so how did we hear about the the leaks in the building yeah that you've we've known you've known about it since 200000 the closet leaks the water infiltration over the gym closet um I I filed through records and I have I can
send it to the committee it's dated and it says water infiltration over the gym closet exact who we having the issue right but you're not saying like through I misunderstood I thought you meant like through the bricks or yeah the water is coming in and hitting the bricks and because the flashing isn't kicking it out to the roof the right way it was
constructed was a report from somewhere or you know from a no so that how did we identify that oh we just paid through our us facilities fund to contract an engineer to come out they removed three bricks just over um one of the previous
breaks and they we have a full report on it documented pictures and everything so if it wasn't constructed properly is there any sort of recourse we can take against the person who installed and I I again I wasn't here
during that time but I remember that I think the contractor there was some trouble with the contractor just as a during the um renovation there may have been um they may have walked off the job I'm not that
I'm not sure that was a long time ago um and there was a lot of difficulty with the with and much to the extent that they were it was very difficult to find any as builts any plans numerous contacts with the architect it was it
was anytime anything was tried to be done I'm sure you found that it became very difficult because there there just wasn't any um records yeah and I I don't want to feel that I'm pointing fingers I'm just making General statements that you know the um the board members
and the general public that may be watching some of these things had been addressed so that you know it's not thought that the building wasn't taken care of but those things had been addressed like I said rooftop units um
the uh air ducts were cleaned and uh like I said the sealant was bought but whether or not it was applied I don't you know don't Dr in the the back room so here's the question why because we sit back and we talk about what's
preventable and what isn't preventable and if we're spending money to a fix and that's never even attempted so so the engineers essentially confirmed that this SE wouldn't have done anything why it hasn't been applied is you know that's a guess to me um what I've seen I
mean currently we don't have the facilities director what I've seen when we did have a facilities director is there were too many other issues that we were trying to address to be able to spend the time outside in the perfect weather conditions with the right gear without wind without people around to be
able to spray the the the cealing correctly and safely um and and that's what I came down to you know we ask why do we even bother buying it you know again but this is the frustration when you sit back and look there so this is
why we want about this project as as studious as could be if you will through this performance Contracting so that they had to audit every aspect of our building measure and verify and analyze every piece of equipment that uses energy you know the useful life of the borders the age of all this equipment
and put it all together to propose a comprehensive solution so we know we're checking all the boxes and it's not a just a oh we did it and now let's wait to see what breaks next you know what I mean right but my concern too is the fact that we're still not addressing the water coming into the building and we're
saying well we're checking all the boxes we're not in my opinion let me finish in my opinion we need to stop the leak coming into the building before we start treating for humidity in the air so I'd like to do both to be honest but with the controls and the
systems that would be added whether there's water in the building or not the system would sense to to heat or to cool and remove that humidity from the air so that's how it's designed to that point but it doesn't get it when it's in the walls because there's no way for it
to suck the moisture out so if we were dealing with a mold issue before of water inside the walls we're going to be dealing with the same issue so where I I I'd have to show you but where it's coming in at the wall meeting the roof seam of the closet it's coming down and it's trickling down right on the
concrete bricks inside the wall um again they open that up there was no visible mold the all the weatherproofing was there it's just the water's being redirected inside instead of outside so it's mainly on a tile floor and a and and you know SE painted brick if you
will but yes it's it's not ideal I I'm not disagreeing with you correct me if I'm wrong but weren't we talking last year about multiple areas multiple rooms of gold in the school unated gym closet roof Le yes okay that was strictly related to just humidity in the building
due to lack of controls lack of okay of you know some I thought it was I'm sorry I thought it was presented based on that being cost no so the the cost to do the building envelope was about 800k to million is a million for both
schools uh let me just look here sorry it was about 200 300,000 for both schools so right here is on improvements last slide this is specific to ABS 13 that's Tak care of all the
structural issues not again not structur uh we have that report and I believe we have shared that one that we can again but that's like if um you know your utility provider came into your home and did your energy audit and looked at your windows your your doors yeah Mass City
you your attic to insulate and find all these holes um so they found you know again where walls meet roofs and where Windows meet are installed we found gaps and in air and you can see it you know blowing the insulation and things like that at
the thresholds of the exterior doors you know there's improvements to be made we talked about sealing the windows which you know it it's it's endless say not including the the wall ISS that not include the construction that's done the the
concrete is sealed cuz they're going to end up doing a sealing aren't they I think this company is going to do a sealant treatment on the the concrete I don't believe so no I thought that was part of the the scope of the project on the outside of the building I don't believe so no I remember seeing
something about that um at some other point reading through with the documentation I to it but anyway so let's say all that's taken care of the building envelope right was was there ever anything looked at as far as CU I know it's a moisture and humidity
problem as far as putting like a whole building dehumidification system and minus all these heat pumps and all this fancy technology was that ever thought of I think we talked about that with the decent and just taking care of that cuz that's going to cuz if cuz then you're
not having all these individual dehumidifiers in all these rooms you have some giant system that's going to dehumidify the air throughout the building M and you're not you're not doing yeah it's it's not going to decarbonize stuff but is that what the
real ultimate goal is here so the an the analysis was either solution we're not going to have a dehumidifier in every room again you know the cooling would be used to combat the humidity in the air um but the analysis was with incentives that
are geared towards this um the alternative would actually be more expensive and not as effective it would be more expensive because there's no incentives towards adding a dehumidification system do we know that like how did we ever research a a
contractors to say hey what would this cost to put a a whole building humidification system in I mean I'm relying on the engineers and again what's what's been on there I know I just you know this this is some costly technology
and and here's a question for you too we looking at a solar program possibly of 25 years what's the useful life that we're getting out of the heat pumps I'm asking do we know um I think it was 20 years
actually okay so which are you prepared to sit there and say that we've got 20 plus years of useful life left in our school buildings I think with a project like this we'll absolutely preserve that elementary school to be able to get 20 more years
out that's the elementary but we're talking Middle School too Middle School we don't have half the problems that we there's nothing being considered as far as equipment upgrades for the middle school right now than a building management system um because the individual components seem to be working
fine and well enough um but in my opinion for middle school is in a lot better shape than the elementary SCH school I just want some insurances that if the town decides that they want to go through with the upgrades that we're getting 2025 years of useful life out of the upgrades
otherwise yeah I mean just generally the scope and this type of equipment they classify as as 20year use for life and they did address that at the meeting last night so if you want to if you want to rewatch the school committee meeting they did address that I I specifically
asked that question to make sure that this was not like right not a 10 year thing or a 5year thing for millions of dollars right so we all want to be responsible so they had said that you know they are looking at 20 plus years and then my other question was you know
with technology changing so fast you know in 5 years down the road are these computer systems even going to work is is the microchip still going to be there exactly and that was my concern as well as as well as other committee members and that was also addressed like
with the software updates the work closely with us they've been around for those chip be ar official intelligence by again they're still working closely with right maybe so again that was a concern of ours as well yeah thank you
um speaking about Sal so the training that they're going to give you guys so are you is this like going to be an existing person that's there and or you're going to need to hire somebody fulltime to maintain the system
facilities including myself you know um and you know technology now now it can be on your cell phone I can be on my couch and go oh I go in the light and you know something needs to be tweaked and you know we're going to cross train as many individuals as we can they I don't think they women like maintaining
the system going forward are they maintaining the system they there's an option for them to maintain it there's an option for them to just to to inform us what needs to be maintained would they contract with them no matter what they have to do meas and verification every year so they have to come back in
and look at the data of the system to make sure it's working properly and they guarantee it to be working will they in a certain extent um if it's not they are liable to make those changes and tweaks and and maintenance updates um so it's working as they they had projected if
you will could they also talked about coming back if there were new staff people you know facili director left 7 years from now they would come back and train whenever we need did it okay that would be included as part of this contract that's as part of it okay is
that your understanding contract that's how the former um BMS worked also was on the phone they trained they would come back several times a year for um preventative maintenance and take care of anything um with the with the older system that we
had how is the um the dehumidifier that was that's in the in the AES in the yellow in the ceiling CU When you mentioned that I that I thought of that there it runs but we still have individual dehumidifiers that fill up in all those
classrooms I know that was hoped to be part of a solution to again I I I think it's just it's a combination of things that aren't working in unison right you know we we have our exhaust fans pulling and pushing air but at what rate and at what under what control and if it's not
doing what it's supposed to do and there's nothing to gauge it you know it's the D fire is running and it's using all this energy but we're still pulling a little air because it's not sucking in the right amount and pushing the right amount on so the idea with the building the building envelope improvements are to give you a
controlled environment to seal as much as possible that can be under air control and then condition the air with heat or cool to be able to to control the environment so so that's where get back to comprehensive it's it's really you
know envelope and then you need the controls to be able to work the new equipment you need the new equipment to be able to work in capacity to address these issues so this is going to basically put AC in AES so yes it will be able to cool but
again it the model is built not to create an environment where we're you know teaching a learning in 67° it's only going to turn on to a point where it needs to combat humidity so I guess that's the question so come in the summertime our costs are going to go up
because this system is going to kick in it's going to combat the humidity also so what temperature do we need to um again that's disclosing the report I'd prefer you guys to hear that from the engineers but I believe that the humidity point was somewhere in the 70s
they'll make a set point the the engineers will make a set point that it should be set on but sometimes that's too warm for people and you know you learn through uh experience that when you override it it created a
bigger problem because then in the summer time to create to to override it to cool it cre more problem it created more problems and jacked up the energy bill the electricity bill because at one point in time it seems counter
counterintuitive the AC and the heat were running at the same time but that's just the and there was a 50,000 plus one month Energy bill they're designing a solution to avoid that to the point where we've sent them our our our
schedules our facility use schedule so they know when basketball is coming in at 5:00 and they stay till 9:00 to control it to that level and that's what they're going to do we're going to have it all set on times and set points in the morning with enough time to get it where it needs to be for school to start
um without allowing it to get too or too hum or too so when you're saying the set points are being adjusted because bodies in the room because of use because of temperature because of Seasons you know we're not running it we're not running it so it creates a 70° no just to combat
the humidity and again they measure and verify that they have to measure and verify that annually um sure someone could it if they have it on their phone and they could override or we're going to see that we're going get reports and we get AED of that it's not going to be
everybody's got their own individual thermostat that they're feeling sweaty the state and they can buy up that's not going to be the case Jim you have a question uh yeah I've been listening and you've been talking about details about the project
and everything else and it occurred to me uh you've got a bunch of experts working on the project um there are a whole bunch of experts working on The Big Dig and the
tunnels and everything thing and the experts were wrong mhm what guarantee do we have if the people who are presenting
this are wrong and it doesn't solve any of the problems I I mean I feel like you could say that about anything what I can tell I mean do we have a guarantee from them within the contract language I don't
think they can say we promise you 20 more years out of this building or anything like that can look at the data to say here here's here but the guarantee of here is what is wrong and
what we are proposing as experts will fix so they're going to guarantee that humidity will not be a problem in the school anymore and they do that through their measurement and verification process and the specs that they put in place basically the problem that they're
trying to solve m is there language that the town will get that guarantees that their analysis of what the problem is plus their analysis of what the fix
is is correct I I can ask specifically that well I would think it would be just the adjustment of temperatures because that's how you get humidity so if there's humid in The Bu humidity in the building and we increase the the
heat contract you're making assumptions I'm saying you've got someone here who's telling you what the problem is and they're offering you a solution well what if their analysis of what the problem is is wrong well before we got
to this we have we had four environmental groups come through our buildings study our buildings and they all determine that the issue was hum humidity so Jamie is your concern that there's like a lack of
a owner's project manager that it's the person that's I mean it's basically I don't trust the experts correct well the experts are paid for by what they get to sell in yeah and they're PID they're paid they're paid to define the problem
that that's Ved out is the consultant that we've we've hired is looking at all this eversource we just talked about is conducting an in-depth technical analysis of all the data that train has proposed I mean they've asked for essentially everything every single
report and then do has to approve the Project based on the measures as well so um I'm Jed so you do have a separate consultant then corre other than train corre from Beacon and uh it's got a 20-year life approximately
equipment Y and that's just is is that 20 year or is that it optim it works at its optimal level for 20 years that's 20 years with routin maintenance like anything else you know get we get what
you put into 15 years if you take get 2 years is 35 it's how you take care of things so um you know it's it it's basically it's also like at one point
they said solar panels last X number of years then it's oh no solar panels last X number of years but the optimal uh production of energy out of
the solar panel is 1/3 that time so let me ask you do do we is the solution to do nothing and wait for the optimal piece to come which is never going to come because technology no I'm not saying that it's to try to protect ourselves legally and with as much
warranties and as much legalities as possible I know in my solar contract if the panels produce below a certain threshold then they're obligated to replace them so for again we're getting we're mixing projects here the solar project it's in their best interest to
replace the panels when technology improves because they're making money off I mentioned s because that's yeah I just mentioned solar because I know that technology has changed so quickly oh and what was 5 years ago is not now I mean
again we have 20 20 year borers in our buildings that sure we can leave them out so they're ineffective and inefficient but no you got to have the boilers because no I'm saying we can get new ones that are more efficient but at what cost you know what I mean what do
you draw the line I guess well it's also I'd rather have a SL six engine that is not built anymore because it's a lot better than the crap we get now but it will run forever yeah it it'll run
forever but I'm trying to just say and I'm not saying you haven't done it but we've got to make make sure that every guarantee possible we can get from these people we get so so the contract
again even on this project will need to be voted on to enter into contract that town meeting and I imagine the language will be you know executed by the select board which means you know they'll all have a chance to look at it school committee will Town Council our own
Council if we want to school's Council yeah we have to get there first you know we need the ability to fund the project before we look at what the contract is and if we get there where the vote is to fund it but we can't execute a contract that we agree on then guess what there's
no debt exclusion there's no contract there's no new equipment and the debt exclusion is for 20 years correct and the warranties on the project are for 20 years and uh but the question is in that
20e period how much is the equipment the system except Etc degrade over the last let's say 10 years and well again are we going to have to replace it at some point while we're
still paying the key point for the uh bonding the key point on that is they're responsible for the guarantee that they give us through the measurement and verification so in year 20 they still have to be able to measure and verify that the system is working how it was in
year one and they're responsible for that guarantee which means the associated costs also once we get to a contract if we do it's fixed firm pricing so what you see is what you get anything above if someone comes in and puts tariffs on all the equipment guess
what guess who's unhooked for that train fixed F pricing as of if they start opening things up and they find all sorts of things wrong that they weren't able to capture initially they don't hook and
they're in the hook if build contingencies into this for they're in the hook if they need a a piece of equipment and it's not made anymore so they've got to put a different piece of equipment in question
that I had as well um and train makes their own equipment so they're able to do things like that like they will create a piece we work with them right now okay so again that was J my same concerns what's happening 10 years from now what's happening 15 years from now
when this equipment is Obsolete and you need a part that fits into a square peg and you only have a round one and like I said they they assured us that they had the equipment that's space it right that's also you know the other side of things I was going to say oh well they're doing it all right obviously they want to sell their equipment with
this project too but in the scope of the project what we procured was open architecture so they had to evaluate all all equipment all controls um they've done projects where they haven't used their own equipment they've used Seaman controls honey well this that the other
thing so it's all been analyzed and they've put the best the best project forward in their eyes and in the engineers eyes and our Consultants eyes for us we talk about good better uh best good better best um and you know they looked at geothermal to the point of
building their power PL in the question and it absorb in costs you know if if the town could have afforded it sure you could say let's build that and you know all this would cost us nothing moving forward but you know we we it was you know crazy money and it just doesn't
make sense that's why you see it tied to the buildings when they're building new schools now they tie it geothermal with those because they're Excavating the entire site and they can put all the components together vers is you don't really retrofit buildings with geothermal if you don't have the money you know it's not cost effective so
they've looked at everything and this is the solution I'm just worried about the project in general I don't think it's going to be helpful to say but uh we just b a $150 million building where I work a municipal building and it's doing geothermal and I've been touring a lot
of Public Safety buildings and every single one has an absolute nightmare of an HVAC system and that's a new construction mhm so I I I'm sure we that's problem no matter what we do I don't know who the who the installs are
but I mean look at the the police station if you go there right now the building's 10 years old it took a couple years and they have massive mle problems well so again if General if you're procuring this to General construction you know they building installing your leaving you know through this they're
they're responsible to guarantee efficiency yeah I'm not saying I'm against it I'm just saying oh no but it's important to it's important to decipher because we could just go 30b and contract this is construction they come in they install they go out and then on your own but this they have to
come back every year measure verifying guarantee so you know they're going to be on the hook again fixed firm placing they find a problem that's on them their systems have to work as they dictate them to us before we sign a contract you know we have to do something because we've had children who are sick we've
had staff sick and the town has paid workers comp in this case so and we have a Band-Aid solution right now um with all these uh dehumidifiers running in every single room it's just not efficient I don't think anybody's against it I just think we're trying to
make sure that this is financially right correct the right thing and make sure we're not cutting corners and we're going to come back you guys are going to come back at us in 10 years oh we need to fix this now cross the teas do the eyes make sure that this is the right thing because if
we're going to put a tax burden on our residents we need to sit there and say yep we did our vetting this is this has to happen on top of the massive tax increase everybody got this now we're looking at potentially you know Old Colony building a new school so there's
another you know potential and we try to avoid that yeah so well that was my question about useful life because you know if I'm still here in 20 years I don't want to hear about well we need a new school right away right because we if we're investing now we're investing
for some long term especially with the 20 no and just I mean on that if let's go that extreme right how long does it take to to get to a point where you're building a new school it takes 10 years to get into that to be able and be ready to break ground so those conversations might happen well before the system
starts to fail but it's because of proper planning right um you know I understand what you're saying it's unfortunate because again I I tune into the meetings and and I hear what's going on I talk to different department heads and we have failing infrastructure all over the town right it's a no no one's
fault it's just you know we need to focus on on some sort of capital planning here and how we're going to remedy these fixes so we're not always reaction you know let's get to the problem before it causes a disaster instead of fixing putting out fires putting out fires putting out fires that's the problem too is it can't all
be Capital planning because it has to be operational planning because we're in a bind this year because of operational planning that was not done well over the past couple of years but that can be a discussion for when we're talking about something other than this I do have two
questions on page six you've got everything checked except air purification measures for the middle school is that an oversight or are we not doing any air purifications in the Middle School on page six sorry
um this was the this was what they investigated these are everything that they investigated so there was there's no current need that we've identified for air cerification in the middle school so there was there was no investigation we have un events in the middle school that there's nothing you can tie into air purification with the
existing equipment so there was nothing to to investigate if you will sorry we have the rabbit purifiers but this is them telling you they they assess the lighting in both schools for efficiency building over Management Systems insulation um the walk-in free freezers
and refrigerators and I'd like to talk about that question it says that it's all funded via Food Service program you already have yes okay so none of that going to be on the Vault correct but this is a critical difference to make because this project could be
misunderstood in TI other as one that if the debt exclusion fails now there's no article on entering into a contract with train so on and so forth we would still need to enter into a contract with train in order to afford the refrigeration units um for the walk-ins the freezers and refrigerators so five across the
both Schools they're well be on their useful life I mean I think they're original I don't know if you can speak to they probably are yeah they probably are so again you know we've been responsible past in present with the food service funds that we get for reimbursement on on breakfasts and lunch
that we can afford that project without tapping into any Town money or any taxpayer money and we would like to do that but it's critical that we would get that vote of support to still enter into a contract with train at least if it was singularly just for this projects okay
so this project can happen regardless matter right but if you enter the contract it's already it's already paid there's no additional resources needed no okay it's been planned internally by that's that's how I read it I just wanted to make sure I was reading it
correctly and I guess you know let we backtrack technically the school committee could still enter into contract with train for 3 years but that would reset this whole process if we entered into 20 and this project failed and matters got wor we would still have the opportunity to go back to them and
say hey we're in your 10 right now what our 20-year contract is we want to revisit that project and we wouldn't have to go through the procurment and all that all again so there would be savings to it would make sense to try to at least get a 20 so that if we wanted to use it we could we didn't we didn't
you know well what those schools constructed 1960 the elementary was 1971 and then it was redone I'm going to say 2002 and then the middle school was
before that the original part and then Renovations same 2002 same contract but it's much old than the elementary school which is built in 71 that's why I'm surprised there's no air quality problem in the Middle School correct it doesn't building right it
does and the design is really kind of funky in the elementary school compared to the middle school and maybe the difference like you said Patrick is the univ vents in the middle school and there's no univ vents in the elementary school was all rooftop units there's not a lot of windows in
the elementary in a lot of the rooms to the Middle School what's the Ford Middle School's hvacs system what's that how is that system working out so I mean we going to have to do this again in another years again the analysis hasn't
spoken to that um it would be upgrading the the control system so that we can actually control what's going on but the equipment is serviceable it's working um they they looked at it they didn't see any need to you know significantly replace any major components so um just
upgrading you know a control system which you know that's that's not unheard of people keep existing equipment have controls upgraded at least once probably most recently so you're saying the old building the older works better than
well so again I we would have to go down the timeline to know when the equipment in the middle school was replaced know the construction when the construction took place you know as far as the bathing goes but I don't know how old you know the the un events or the
different HVAC units that are in the gymnasium or whatever are is there different pieces so is this going to help is out when we have a town meeting in the late spring and it's like 90° in that gym as long as as long as the set point
tells it to so Patrick some of my my concerns with this the I was is the reliability of this high-tech system right how long have heat pumps been around this technology not an expert
in yeah excuse is it a tri and true technology I mean it's h a lot of my cents are putting it in their homes I'm I'm hanging on again the guarantee they're promising us guaranteeing us a system that works
whatever it takes you know through the the life of the contract so you know if it breaks they have to fix it same thing let's say this heat pump technology wasn't around and we weren't concerned with decarbonization how would this issue get fixed I mean you'd have to fix the
building envelope the all the cealing issues and all that but beyond that what would be done did the train did they offer any other like lower Tech Solutions besides well so that's that's just did I
think is the lower Tech Solutions still cost more because you couldn't tie incentives to them so that was all put together um you know the incentive is for the heat pump and specifically not and the grant was to decarbonize so you
know I mean look ever Source can provide these incentives because of what they're doing to all our consumers so that's why we play this card looking at advantage of people big time um it's it's outrageous right I me
we're all being affected by it with these ridiculous delivery charges and you know at some point there's going to be a Tipping Point at some point here I guess my concern would be would it have made sense if we put a more expensive project forward with a
different solution and what would theive but that's what they were they were more expensive how much more expensive was like the alternative I don't I don't know this figures off the top but we can definitely what were the I guess what
were the yeah was it was AC it was upgrading all those air conditioning units making sure you know they were robust enough to to handle it um we talked about the de going to botch that's the word the de
desant the comat the humidity and that was you know there's no existing systems to tie that into so that would had have been built out you know essentially new um how what is the time frame on this and is it
affected by the fact for example we just saw the federal government claw back money from various uh entities uh is
this program and the money you're getting from the grants going to be affected at all if the federal government's going to claw back money or the state government's
going to claw back money and those programs are no longer available so so the green communities Grant is a state grant that there's no trickle down from federal as far as I understand when I ask that question it's strictly
Massachusetts um and then the eversource incentives as far as I'm aware once they're guaranteed they're guaranteed um points yeah we can we can you know I imagine again that all comes into
contract play and then fixed firm pricing no matter what happens once we sign the contract for a certain amount the equipment can triple in price and guess what we don't we don't owe a dollar more than what we agreed to that's the 70 to to $80 per year on you
know $450,000 house um is that is that counting in the the maximum incentive no that was worst case scenario that's wor 4.2 okay so and again that's in year one where the principal is obviously significantly higher than all the other
years so okay um and we're looking at potentially a 700 uh6 to $800 reduction $800,000 reduction if these other grants come to fruition right right and then there's another one that we've actually put a a letter of interest in
or let me I can't F the term I'm sorry it's day um but that Grant is coming on the Horizon 2 are going to be eligible to apply to that to drive the cost down even more again it's it's just the nature of the
direction you know that the state's going that the utilities are incentivizing and we're going to try to capture as much money as we can to to have the most costeffective project to to address the issues that we have I mean these are all questions that'll probably come up in a public hearing when we have AB um and I'm hoping to
have them by two we're anticipating one in March and one in April so that's so my next question is I know we had talked about having a joint meeting with the board of lman right yeah so when do you want to try and coordinate that I actually I was going to ask that question as well cuz I know the
moderator released a schedule saying that that was going to happen in February and I don't know who I it's I that was the original one we were going for the M town meeting now it's a June 2nd town meeting but you also have to
get over the hump of the April 22nd election and that means all your language and everything else has to be vetted to be put on the ballot and so that's
something we need to talk to Pam about yeah and we talked about deadlines for that but I guess for the meetings I mean I know we all have a lot of meetings so it's really just communicating the planet when it can work for everybody um you know we're ready we have the information with the exception of the
ever Source incentive which we hope for in a week and then the green communities Grant which for any day now really um but the project and the details of the project won't change the election can be before any
town meeting so you can have the election first you just have to have the uh town meeting within so many days of an ele is 30
it's either 60 or 90 depending on uh that so I'll default to 60 and again you know that's not my expertise and that's why I have phone calls with you know Mr Kelly you know the moderator the Clark you know it it
whether support for the project or not the logistics need to be supported so that we can even put something forward to let the community decide on um but that takes a collaboration with all of us you know talk to Town Council uh
school council and a bond Council they're ready to go once they see the language to to either approve it or rewrite it for it to be submitted in the uh
April 22nd election yeah to the point where Bond Council has even played four different scenarios of this figure you know reducing it by a quarter of a million to see what the impact would be so we're prepared once these incentives come into play to change that tax impact I think you know being able to tell the
residents potentially how much it's going to add to the property tax bill you know with the incentive will be will be a key um going forward because the you know the thing after this the big one is going to be
the this Old Colony issue which is going to this is going to look like peenuts this is like penuts adding on to the property tax compared to what that is going to be for our residents so that's that's why we have concerns with what the cost of this project is going to be absolutely we're just trying to do our
due diligence and you know it's it's going to be tough um with with what they're doing um and and to the point made earlier today you know we still have the general fund to balance for fiscal 26 too what does that look but yeah we don't want we
don't want our school either School to start going down the tubes even more to the point where cuz we can't afford to build a new school I mean people need to know that too um
so it's a challenging time it is so going back to meeting date because I know we want to try and meet with the board of Select right yep so offc we we going to meet not next week but the 26 we were going to handle some easy budgets that are no- grainers we could
actually probably push that out ahead and then maybe maybe try and do a joint meeting with the board of Selectmen on February 26th possibly they' have to talk to the chair on that who's who's chairing the board selectman now okay
yeah because uh they they've got a meeting with a number of things on it for the 25th that have to be done okay so maybe the 20 maybe they can do the six Dr would you want to do that
partial steering committee on that same day prior to a joint meeting on a Wednesday I yeah I wouldn't be able to I have to I'd have to leave work early okay um because if we meet on the 26th for this joint meeting it would
be like at 7:00 right you know at the middle school I'm assuming CU we need more room yeah um I'm just trying to get a date too for the um that's right yeah so so um Patrick had asked me in an email what your availability would be to attend I guess a budget subcommittee
meeting what day right now for the 25th we could do it at any time I I could I could be available on the 25th okay perfect oh yeah the 25th what time yeah what time
5:30 work no I can't be available no select a meeting so what time I mean we can push it 3:00 we can make it earlier yeah it have to be there do start what about 3:00 is an hour and
another time do 3:00 be [Music] better yeah it it have to be later I I've got a meeting at too I can I mean I typically go into Boston I can try and move that to work from home but I can't
change a 2:00 meeting that I have so um 3 or 3:30 would be the earliest that I could join 3 3:00 it would have to be 3 and uh where where would it be am
I we have it here can but then we just have the budget subcommittee right because then we go right there you meet at 4:30 oh we meet
at 4: oh the board selectman okay so but down there so also do finances I got to pick aill in and go home and then come here okay okay so 3:00 here for the steering on the 20 no
that's the budget subcommittee that's like we do every year with M Sue okay what we were talking about the steering she is correct you hijack you because we talked about this previously I thought we were coming you were talking about the budget and she
said do we want to add the steering committ for the 26th then she went no that was when we had the budget so what are we doing on the 25th what we doing budg what's the steering committee steering committee was the the initial
committee that we sort of put together to to share details on the project before it went to the full group soik could attended Mr mcin had attended um Mr hankley was in attendance um ETA president Yeah we actually a
couple of teachers yeah on that so 3:00 25th budget subcommittee here here yeah I to put that here too cuz I'll have a d to the school Town Town conference
room is that this one conf I that was no that's a s not that's the finom conference room all right and potentially Wednesday the 26th for joint for a joint
meeting with the board of selectman but I'm going to have to reach out to to Bobby Hanley tomorrow I want to make sure both train and Beacon can be present for that too all right so that's 7:00 yeah that
beacon beacon Integrated Solutions is our consult of put possible yeah joint meeting are we to and are you doing the joint meeting at the school
yes generally we have because there more room there yeah we can do it the school so the 26th is going to be the school as long as everybody can participate okay I'm still going to block it off 7:00 7:00 on the
26th and then do we want to come up with a date for this steering grade Mr um anytime between now and the 26 six really so that would be it have to be
like next week right gone this isless we just put out extend an invitation to the steering committee to come at that meting to be present at the Joint meeting so they can listen to it
the same time discuss off camera yeah cuz they could be sitting in the audience yeah I mean so be like an allinone kind of thing just condense it all at once I think that's a good idea yeah I'm getting older I got a lot of doctor's appointments those rates are going up
too so those rates are going up too that's right true is true all right so we get that hammered out cuz then cuz then we have you have we have to figure out when we're going cuz we're going to do what two um public Outreach hearing we're we're aiming for
public Hearing in March and then one closer to the ballot date in April okay and that would be at the Fort Middle School gymnasium assuming right yeah and that's not necessarily a joint meeting obviously but you know we can talk about the logistics maybe what
would be and you'd have representatives from train andon at both events y given a presentation hopefully have all the facts you know dialed in 100% by them including you know help with the assessor on the tax rate the allocations
okay Patrick sorry one question right so what we were talking about going back to the combo where this doesn't necessarily fix the issue with the leaks right when are we going to that's not dead right I just how do we what's next steps on that side next steps on that side is I'm
trying to afford the $40,000 design build bid design bid build fee without asking for the money because then if I can pay for that and say see it's going to cost 100,000 we're going to have to ask for that 100,000 somewhere so is there anything we can do
about reaching out to our reps did reps or or anything to help up with that kind of thing we we can certainly but generally I don't see things move fast enough yeah if there's money to be found I can find them to a fincom meeting so I'm just
waiting so we don't know we don't have you have one State Rep that is very familiar with the problem I would assume how we get to it those who you know I don't know again it'd be helpful you know are there reserves to tap into
to afford that that service to to know what the problem is and afford you know the consultation to get to the amount that we need to know if it needs to be an article or if it's a you know again another Reserve somewhere I could you use the school property School building
rent that was what I was planning on right now at this time's the balance in that um it's over 100 I want to say it was like around 120 sorry what school school property building facility use so so we have
120,000 in that yeah and what is what could those funds be used for so they're used for things like purchasing the dehumidifiers in the classrooms when it wasn't budgeted for and S funds were used up um we use it for oddball fixes when instead of coming to the town to
ask for Capital um so that sounds like so that sounds like it falls within that subcription right want because then you know when you have a break you know we have to go ask for free cash for it instead it doesn't
always work so it's almost like got our own personal Reserve um like a revolv FR it is AOL and the goal was to build it up enough that we can sustain projects through it you know right a few years ago it was used to do the playground at
the elementary school things like that like extra things that aren't in the budget um and just on that note too we we compared our fees to the neighboring districts just a couple years ago and and upped our rates um to be more
competitive so that we can continue to kind of build that build that fund up for when we need to so we've been doing our due diligence there do you still have the collaborative classrooms because I know that was really cut back Services though um I
think they went from $30,000 a year to N9 they're having trouble finding staff that's too bad because that was a nice it right and then again there's a happy medium that you know you don't want to charge these youth groups that are a part of our town exorbitant fees that
get passed on to the families anyway so you know there's there's a balance right so that's yeah that's why the collaboratives were nice but it's too bad okay does anybody have anything else to add I think I don't want to keep these folks here any longer they've had a long day just like uh we all have yeah
um is there any old business to discuss new business no new business okay next meeting date tentatively will be Wednesday February 26 2025 at the for Middle School joint meeting uh finance committee school
department school committee and board of Selectmen if we can pull it all together um do I have motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all in favor we are good night a
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