[Music] evening everyone this is the meeting of the finance committee it is Wednesday April 9th 2025 this meeting is being audio and video recorded uh please rise
for the pledge of allegiance i aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you okay so on tonight's agenda we're going
to go in order tonight so we are going to have uh Mr tom Karu our provisional uh police chief uh go through police department budget with us tom the floor is yours thanks for having me where do you guys want to start let's
see i'm sure there's a lot of questions how about if we highlight Can you highlight like this the the whatever biggest changes you have you have that uh other paperwork jamie they have the uh stuff from uh
25 yeah 25 oh okay i'm sorry i apologize yeah uh Mr chairman there are two columns for FY26 i see that one is if uh all
of dealing with civil service and uh filling various positions would happen at July 1 very likely almost surely it won't
but we have no control over the scheduling from civil service we have been going back and forth for months when you say scheduling is this for a sergeant 6 a.m it'll be for
It would be for deputy chief deputy chief and the chief so that you'll see that one of the uh items on there i think it's 1229 you know that that's for to to cover a deputy chief's position fully and what you'll see in the next
column over um 61478 is for half the year so if um if it's not in the budget the full budget and you opt to move ahead with that position say in January of
2026 then that because 61 Yeah 61 for college you know for half a year it's taken us four or five months just to get the first form approved by the civil service i I
could say this too which is a form 30 um when I initially was approached to take this position as a provisional I can truly and honestly tell you that I thought a permanent chief would have been hired sometime in December again that's my timeline not anybody else's
timeline um here we are sitting here in April which I had no idea that it would go this long what do you attribute that to what's the reasoning with civil service delay well it it's a new position so the town of Christian has
never had a deputy chief we've had sergeants we have had chiefs we've had patrol so civil service in a nutshell I guess to give you the cryptotes version is we have to essentially create the position so they need job descriptions they need a a bunch of different things
that they want to be able to see so when they post or adver advertise the position as for for an exam they have all the criteria that they need to advertise it properly if that makes sense the deputy chief's position is an exam position or is an interview process
no it's it's a civil service because we're in civil service the town from chief down so it would be a civil service it it would be an exam and I think what the board of select me correct me if I'm wrong Jamie their intention to is to have a an assessment center so it's essentially That's what I was
assessing positions yes right got it and they're saving the town by doing it together sort of like um by having the chief and deputy chief the exam at the same time just for round numbers i'm not telling you that this is
the exact figure but if it's going to cost the town $10,000 to have a chief's test to add a deputy's chief's test with the same company it'll cost maybe like 10,500 as opposed to not having the test and then having the ch test six months
from now or a year from now it's gonna cost another 10 grand just for that one one one spot thank you got it i got a question um my issue with that is the chief the
private chief announced his retirement in publicly in in May of 2024 right that's correct and um I think there was a meeting in July in which he went through the whole process on making a chief through civil
service and there seemed to be some urgency then with the retirement 2 months away um I get that you can combine them but in reality I mean everybody knows I I'm a civil service deputy police chief
we just did our chief um just a couple years ago the whole process it was posted in March assessment center and we had a chief by July we had chief named by June instilled by July my position
which was only two years ago was from the announcement to the appointment was September to February so I get combining them like to some degree but I just don't understand why why it took this long you know and
the other issue too is um you know I think you were acting as a patrol sergeant up until correct September basically yeah when he left and and honestly being in the profession I can't imagine going from a patrol sergeant to acting chief so I feel for
you i can't imagine being thrust into that but um I don't know to my knowledge Chief Als was kept on on uh consulting basis part-time um that's not accurate not accurate chief Alice wasn't a consultant i I not
while I was here i don't think you were but he he was there was some type of agreement that was right he was he was contracted with a transition and to my knowledge that wasn't afforded to the previous chief when we had you know a
patrol sergeant taking the position i just I just I'm surprised that you know here we are almost a full calendar year since he announced his retirement and this isn't I hope it doesn't look like I'm questioning you i just don't understand like now now we're saying it's because
of the deputy chief but maybe maybe because of job description and I get that has to be approved by civil service for a new position but there also was the having to decide what the second in command was going to be right but that I
mean this was an urgent thing in July of 2024 and now we it's in but the deputy chief wasn't even brought up back then like I I don't think that was well was right so that was a discussion for the police
commissioners who are the board is selected that's just I just to say it's you know civil service and the deputy chief thing it's just I I guess I I feel for for the acting chief as a patrol sergeant taking over that position i can't imagine doing
it i've been a second in command for two years i I'd be nervous to walk in that i don't there's a lot I still don't know you know and so I can I can tell you without hesitation and and you know to to the to this committee as it
stands when they asked me I explained you know I vented I wouldn't say it wasn't more I don't know I guess I explained to them my biggest hurdle is going to be this right here because quite
honestly patrol sergeants didn't do this right mhm and there was no there's zero when I tell you zero transition from me getting the position with Chief Richmond at no fault of his by any means um I' I've
called him a few times he answers my phone but he's under no obligation to do it i mean realistically and Phil you've been in just I'm just asking you out of curiosity was there any transition did you have an opportunity to work with somebody or mento somebody or at least with the chief before you you know
jumped you know jumped in well yeah I'm a second in command so I Yeah I I'm involved in every aspect from budgeting you know down and and like I said in two years I I wouldn't confidently say I'm ready to take this job by any means so yeah and and you know that gets into another thing that I'm sure we'll get
into about the second in command i don't know another town and and I know this is a fiscal nightmare right now here but I don't know another town at least of of 10,000 plus that doesn't have a second in command like out of the union i I don't think in Bristol County even the
small town of Titan Rahobitth I they have second in commands rochester has second in command freetown has second in command so um you know to do it going patrol sergeant to acting chief and and not even having a second in command but that's the other issue is if you had a second in command you'd have somebody who could hopefully you know have
stepped into that position or and that's another reason why we have I believe Chief Richmond was named chief before Chief Alves retired yeah there was there was a I don't know how he kept on his consulting so 25 hours a week if I
remember correctly Alves was working uh with Chris i don't know if they were directly you know what I I don't know if if uh Chief Als was you know cleaning things up and at the same time sort of I won't say mentoring but certainly answering being able being there to
answer questions whenever he needed to but again that's that's there's nothing I can do about that here I am no no that's fine no those are good yeah good valid you have intact that's good i do have a question on the the dispatchers you've got an increase this year is that
an additional position is that covering overtime hours it's not an additional position um it essentially what it is is they're jumping steps so it's contractual contractual okay yep
hit me hit me with whatever you guys have i know i'll answer to the best of my ability i can tell you you know I didn't know if we'd actually come to some solution for it that worked yeah no it's it's contractual stuff and that and and that's going to be a lot of the issue that you that you'll see even with
salaries salaries we've we we have at least three offices within the next fiscal year that will be jumping from their associates degree which is 10% to their uh bachelor's degree which is an extra 10 to 20% and one is going from
his uh bachelor's degree to a mast's so that's from 20 to 25% along with the younger guys that have been there that will be jumping in step races so there's you know what I mean there's there's going to be you know I don't know how how big that was but if you guys have
any questions on that so a lot of that is contractual well that's if it's contractual almost in that there but there's a 200 almost a $200,000 increase uh decrease in permanent positions so is that because it's going to the deputy line there's still some not filling the
position and not filling the position yeah 33 so so we we currently have six six uh sergeants we actually have seven on the board seven position yeah seven we lost one for for a medical issue so we went to six and we currently have six
but I think what what we were looking at was if we create that position we could we could get not necessarily promote from the list that we have right now if that was And it looks like there's a restoration of the overtime to I was just going to ask that is that to get it more in line
with the actual over the last few years yeah so what Chris to his credit and uh he did I had uh I found some of his notes from he went back to 2017 and from 2017 to 2024 i won't do this
year his the average overtime was 235 or $240,000 which you guys can probably if you want back but this is going back from 2017 the that's what the average overtime was per year um
so again had nothing to do with me but the when the overtime was budgeted at three I think it was cut last year yeah if you remember Yep the he was trying to two there were two o uh two
budgets that the overtime was substantially cut just to present a balanced budget i can say that if you look if you if you have when you have a chance an
opportunity to look at at salaries um not only one of those siders positions unfilled but we also have a patrol officer that had left so there's there's some there's it's not it's positions we could certainly use but
obviously there's going to be a deficit as you guys can clearly see in the overtime so we're hoping that we we'll be able to move somebody around where we would this year yeah this year this year yeah well just a there's a small one but why was our clothing cut in half do we
know uh that's a good question uh based on the year to date Okay but that's don't they get a set each officer gets a set amount that they're going to spend so that should probably be true but we but we're down you know what I mean that may reflect on
the uh the numbers that we currently have cuz we have 13 patrolman and and six sergeants right now 14 yeah again I just I don't know what the contractual clothing allowance is but if it's a,000 say a,000 bucks a person you have 20 cops it is I would
say then it should be at least funded at 20,000 but I I'm just I guess thinking out loud with that i I just it stuck out to me because it was cut in half so I know if there's a contractual decrease in it but No there was there's certainly not a contractual decrease that I'm
aware chief I'll ask you a question i've asked all your predecessors um manpower wise do do you foresee any shifts retirements coming into the future that you are aware of and where
do we stand like do we have uh patrolman do we have academy cadetses that's a great question um we have nobody in the academy right now as you see that line item is at zero because we had no we have we don't have anybody in the academy
um unfortunately Ely the state police are hiring and the test was not too long ago and I I can tell you that there was a few younger younger guys that have taken it i mean we can't match the but as far as retire I mean as far as as far as retirement goes there's
potentially one officer that may go in fiscal 2026 but he h he has not indicated that he his plan is to do that he's eligible to go yes he is eligible all right he is eligible how's that cruisers not good you You noticed the
line item that's We've We've surpassed that i mean it was cut last year to I know and And again you guys had to do some tough You had to make some tough decisions and I don't hold that against anybody but but we cannot hold cruisers from the police department or So I mean
obviously the ones that were already high in mileage are even higher um we've gone over in our line item because that wasn't increased last year i get from what I can gather it was it sort of stayed the same so when you cut the two cruises out that line item when it
doesn't move how many total do you have one two yeah uh I'm just thinking of M cars off the top of my head now 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 then we have three unmarked 11
see they're and they're all running they're they're high mileage but yeah they're they're running yeah so I got a question for Mr kelly so this is going back quite a few years but they got moved they used to be capital and they got put into the operating operational
i've heard it both ways but so capital items are over 5 years and uh we had it in the budget as you can see until last year so now we can capital it this year and we're going to
capital it this year and then figure it out i I don't like doing that but it's the only way it can be done is it going to be one or two vehicles two and I can tell you at the time when Chris was doing it so last year you guys cut it
the year before you'll notice the Taho were out there at the time they were the cheaper one on the state bid list believe it or not cheaper than the Dodgers and cheaper than the Fords now that's OB that's completely flip-flopped so the prices that we got are the ones that I gave Jamie in regards to this or
for a lesser vehicle if you will not that we're not looking for the Taho anymore because they're just too expensive probably the Dodges because that Dodge and Ford are still are still very competitive chris had mentioned that Dodge wasn't doing it anymore well they
still next year they I Yeah they keep saying but but there's too much money in it for them i I I think and we've uh I've looked into a one-stop shop so to speak and I don't know maybe Phil can speak on this do you guys use McGovern at all
well yeah they bought out MHQ yeah where where's the leaves and so MHQ was a was a company out of Malboro and McGovern which you the dealerships you they're all over Massachusetts they bought uh MHQ which was the police vehicle supply
place where you could it was a one-stop shop you could if you guys wanted Fords or you wanted Dodges or you wanted Chevys you could get them all you could get them there and they took over there yeah and but they outfit the whole thing so MHQ was going downhill because they were there was a lot of issues with the
stuff coming out the product that they were doing and sending it out but McGome is taking it over and I've heard nothing but good things from them i think if you order today you're looking at if they had the car in stock from what I was told a couple weeks ago 6 to 8 months out yeah so yeah that's after the car
comes out yeah so the next question is the tariffs because so many parts are out of the country yeah rather American but do we have any idea probably nothing yet right but no no do we know if the dodges are built in the United States or
they are but they're built in the United States not the parts yeah the parts come from I don't think a lot of the parts come from a lot i was notified of a $2,500 tariff per school bus cuz I have three buses on order right now in my school department and um the Anderson
Motors notified us 2500 that are they're still being built right now the price we sell most of it's that's all but they they you know we bought it off it's a collaborative contract with a set price but then it's getting passed
down to the dealer so that's I don't know if anybody's heard today but the tariffs are all on pause for 90 days they're all on pause for 90 days that's why the stock market went crazy today except for China so I think a lot of that's going to work itself out and I don't think that's going to be much of
an issue um over time I mean the media is freaked out over it you know I I don't think we can predict what's going to happen visav these budgets before you tonight chief just curious on the cruisers one last question these aren't
hybrids are they no are we off that track i certainly am did I talked to Chief said we've had we've had Chief Pal way back when said that's going to be the way of the future we're going to have to go with it to go with No no oh there's going to be a solar panel on the
roof no the state police did it with a bunch of their Fords um and the feedback that I'm getting is that they're not D it PD they're not Well they were having problems with the batteries were dying cuz you know
cruises sit with the lights on and accidents and Okay good yeah no no give me good old American gas so thank you um one question for you is I noticed that you have a custodian that's new yes um so there was we're trying to save a little bit of money if you will so we
had a cleaning company that would come in two times a week but uh Brady Baldwin who cleans here at the town hall I was talking with Jamie and I think he works 35 hours a week or somewhere in that general area so and he was short a few
hours so after talking with Jamie we welcomed him over to our place so he cleans so this is your portion of bringing in more room yeah so basically what happens is he he's filling the rest of his hours and quite honestly if we
pay him a couple extra hours overtime out of our budget it's cheaper than paying Yes for a cleaning company yeah it's a smart move yep so Tom I got a quick question uh as far as like going back going back to like manpower issues and like departments not just here in
town but through other towns struggling to find you know uh people to do this type of work i'd seen that they were I don't know if it's local just local that they're waving the civil service exam where you don't have to take it and there's no more age uh like limitation
there's a h sorry guys no no go ahead there's a hybrid um option I think it has to be adopted in Yeah we we left civil service for new hires so that's why I don't know much too much about it but it's something like you can hire half of the people whoever you want and
then like half off the civil service list so it definitely freed up their I think I'd seen someone social media and it was from the the city of New Bedford was posting this because I think they and it's it's not
just a single hire it spreads out like if uh you're planning to bring four on in a certain period of time you can't you know say that oh we'll split
it here and one here and then we're not going to uh use civil service over here cuz it's so far over they're making sure that if it's half and half it actually is half and half and civil service still
has the preference with the state you still have to run like your process through them and everything i mean we're a year and a half into not having a a posting chief so you know so it's not solely just because you're not getting enough candidates to it so many towns
are trying to opt out and and there are pressures on the legislature not to have a wholesale uh leaving of civil service by certain
groups that are pressuring them and so the uh uh it went from being killed in study committee forever to this proposal and I'm not sure e even all of the
issues have been no I don't know how they account for you know how they're keeping track of hiring the half and the half i think it's kind of just what I don't know sorry and since civil service seems to be still
remote and we're having to get them on their cell phones the uh I don't know how long any of this would take i haven't gotten an answer but in regards to that uh you know the the
governor has in her original budget has slashed the um the budget as far as police training so what used to cost us or municipality three or $4,000 to send somebody to the
academy is now double that so we had a a breakfast with a bunch of legislative people recently to voice our displeasure when I say I I mean it was a whole Bristol County group uh chief group and to let them know that what by doing that
it's just putting the onus back on the towns and cities to come up with those costs and everybody's already strapped so hopefully they see the light and they refund you know they they fund that but back to the whole civil service argument I've been asking the question and maybe
Phil you you found out but you guys are kind of out of civil service this whole high this what you what you just referred to a lot of times what was happening was other departments would take a lateral transfer which I'm not opposed to because you're getting a
fully trained police officer that we didn't necessarily have to pay for so um but other civil service departments because of manpower issues weren't signing off on their candidates to come to jump over to to ours we just lost one we signed over one to to go to um I
don't know if these new rules rules and I'm trying to get that answer would apply to that whereas if if I'm able to talk to somebody in say New Bedford and they're willing to they want a lateral transfer over to us their chief wasn't signing off on their lateral transfers
but if this rule with civil service now says "Hey we can take them." You know what I mean i'm sure there's a little caveat in there to avoid that you know what I mean but I'm trying to get that answer anyway because that may help us in the future if we do lose somebody who
decides to retire without you know sort of last minute now it's like we're trying to scramble to get somebody you got to have something to drum over here with yeah i mean new cruisers isn't it it's better than nothing right it's a good place to work the guys the guys you know what I mean everybody gets along i
I don't know fire but it's great town you And I know I and I know overtime is an issue and I know it's an issue with you guys i can tell you and I don't know if you know everybody talks to everybody in town right so I can tell you without a doubt it's it's it's not it's not a
scam guys it's not a scam that that these guys are working the overtime that they're working we're not we're not having somebody come in for four or five hours a week to sweep the floor and Chris was a good one for to say that um that being said on our four to midnight shift as it's constituted right now we
have four officers so it's a sergeant and three i I haven't been since I've taken over um I haven't been replacing that first guy out um on on that particular shift sick days holidays personal days if there's four guys we're
not replacing that shift and I can tell you since probably just before Chris left I think I'm pretty sure he was doing the same thing i I I think since July 1st of last year you know what I mean this this particular fiscal year we've probably
saved and at least $20,000 in overtime just by not doing that so that might be something down the road maybe when the fin finances turn you know what I mean to start thinking about putting
more guys on so we don't have to replace that first that's always the argument we need more people to cut down on the overtime but then we get the more people and we lose more people as they transfer out i don't think you'll find too many on this committee anyway that aren't
public safety owners yeah no I I Mr so Kelly is this so is this like it with the select board looking like it's staying in the deputy chief though the deputy chief it took
uh months and months for the board to vote to Okay have a deputy chief so pending versus another second in command no I mean like the second in command position i mean is that I I just mean
the second in command position is that in all likelihood going to be a go is that still on the chopping block they haven't told me to the cont no I guess I got a question is um a topped out uh sergeant can you tell me like you
know I won't quote you on the exact number but I I feel like you probably know like before overtime what's that number so I can tell you right now the most recent sergeant that we appointed was Adam Heebbit so Adam Heebit is working the split shift so he works two midnights
and two evening uh uh two 4 to 12s he gets a 3% differential for when he works a 4 to 12 and he gets a 4% so it's 3 and 12% he gets above with his sergeant he gets 15% and he has a mast's which is
another 25% so his right now he's at don't quote me it's It's like a high 113 114 but he's And so what about the guy with 20 years on so all right we'll use one of our sergeants that works a day shift because there's no differential on
the dayshift with a bachelor's degree um is at 107 right now and and they're probably giving up 50 in overtime maybe i'm sorry they're probably giving up 50 in overtime
because that's going to be a salary position I assume right yes um yeah so that's that's the compression there i'll be truthful when I took this particular job or when I was off at it and I took it the I took
a 20 you can you guys can see it it's all pretty It's public record they they print it every single year just about i took a 25 or $30,000 pay cut because I worked a lot of overtime yep you know
this is a townwide issue but I there's certainly there's some wage compression now like I feel like the the union side accuses definitely caught up in in the last 10 years i was just there last year yeah yeah and
I just that the ch the chief pay is and and this isn't exclusive to the police department but that police chief pay is you know there's plenty of chiefs that are walking in not cities you know towns at 200 um again maybe not not across the
board but that that not there's just a with the chief number where it is there's some compression there i wonder how much interest there would be in that second in command that's all that's pro it would be I mean maybe not I guess for you guys too but it would be something
that would bring up uh certainly with the board of select i that that would be my fear and that would probably be contractual it would be a contract negotiation for the for that number at the end of the day right well it would first have to be in the budget and
you're nowhere near being able to come up to market anywhere no I I I understand that anywhere in your department yeah no I agree i think townwide the all the all the positions are below market it's But but but way
the union caught up a bit like there's some compression there with management yeah and it's it's everywhere mhm i mean but we're a small town though too i mean population wise i mean we're probably one of the smallest towns population wise in the world i can tell you I can I can say if you look at No we
don't if we if there are a lot of 5,000 4,000 towns there there's studies out there and and this is just an example and it's got nothing to do with we are what we are with finances the FBI statistics say that you should have three police officers for every a
thousand residents a thousand people that you have in your town so if you do you can do the math that's 33 officers that the town of a cushion should have if we're at 11,000 people right i mean there's another study out there with uh Mass Police or something like that they say the number should be more like two
2.4 or 2.5 officers but that still puts us in the high 20s i mean we're we have how many 20 21 including me well you're at two two per thousand i'm at 1.5 so
what do you gauge your uh what does the police department gauge like the fire department does runs you know they they gauge their progress each year by the number of runs they had the previous is it arrests or is the arrest for us for us it would just be calls for
services to be honest with you but has it been an increase a steady increase uh it's been it's been I can tell you that the the vi and I don't want to make it sound like for anybody here that we got this big issue with violent crime but um cuz cuz we
really don't but the the the more the the propensity for violence has gone has increased so the call for services may have stayed the same but quite honestly in I'm not speaking out of turn here because it was broadcast we had a house
shot at on Sloum Street you know what I mean we had more shots fired on Sloum Street at the F Haven Bridge last earlier this week it it's it's just you know what I mean i wish I could I wish I could say we're we're a good community we have a good police
force and the guys and girls are out there and they're moving and they're you know doing so yeah I mean I guess to answer your question we're our call for services have been relatively steady i mean we
answered almost 20 call for services a day uh you uh is that a 24-hour period no just in in like say on a day shift you know um I think right now 7,000 a little over 7,000 calls for service a year somewhere around there but that's
kind of like where we're at we might be under 100 we might be over a couple hundred it's you know on any particular given year we're pretty we're pretty consistent with that but thank you Chief i I know we all
appreciate everything that you and your department does i appreciate it thank you no seriously it's if you watch back our shows you've got staunch supporters here and the entire finance committee for the job that you do and we wish we could do more for you yeah no I I trust me I get it i'm learn this is a learning
process for me you know what I mean quite honestly at this time next year I'm hoping it's me but it quite honestly might not be me i mean realistically I think you've been doing a great job so far myself it's just the way it goes and I and you know I I wouldn't I was a
little sketchy but whoever we'll talk later whoever you have whoever you have the opportunity the people that you have that are interested in taking this job you guys will be you guys the whole the town itself will be served well whether it's me or or you know or or any of the
other guys that decide that they're going to throw the hat in the ring it's great to see the second in command finally i need it it's It's I I've been here for 30 years and I got to be honest with you I thought 30 years ago was crazy i mean you get a town like Rochester that has has a a captain and
Mhm it's just free town i I have like I can't Who do I talk to quite honestly or anybody in this position i mean if whatever you guys do in your in your in your lives in your daily lives if you always have that one person you can rely on but I can't I can't I always have to
keep on the back of my head they are union that's that everybody that I talk to and I trust everybody I work with yeah I'm kind of in the same boat myself i'm a single IT guy and that's it i can talk myself they're union it is what it is and you know quite honestly if I if I don't get the job I'm more than
likely going to go back to that to my previous position so get to make more money no I like the idea of work you know working 50 hours a week right now as it is instead of working 70 hours or 80 hours that I was doing
well Tom thanks for uh I appreciate you know coming in tonight and Oh thanks for having me if you if you guys don't have my cell number um I can if you get it over the air no I'm not No I wouldn't I I I will uh I can give it to you guys so you guys have any questions or or you can always call the station during the
day or when you call me at night or whatever however you want to if you have a question I'll certainly do my best to answer it yeah and also you know thank you for you know stepping up to the plate taking the reinss and you know steadying the ship uh doing a great job i appreciate it the day-to-day
operations the management the people all that stuff i can do that with my eyes closed quite honestly this this was intimidating coming in here did a great job intimidating no no it's just I I say it intimidating we trying to offer you a free bowl
of soup kitchen we don't bite we got We got how many bald guys on the crew four i'm the only one with hair i don't want to take anything out of order but did you have a question for me were you talking on the
transfer transfer oh okay before he So we're going to take that off after after Tom does his presentation but did you have did you have cuz he's I don't know if he's sticking around oh might as well ask it now ask it now so my question is it's for training for the payroll system
yes so is it a like desperately needed is it staff that's never used it before or just I see we have one Okay Jamie go ahead it's uh I had a feeling you knew the answer it's paper it's uh they call it the
crosswords yeah it's a cross word puzzle literally they've been doing it at paper and it doesn't talk to any system obviously since it's paper okay and it's really staff intensive okay and no one's
been trained the town has had it for a while okay our system that we we we use IMC we use IMC so if you're familiar with IMC so Central Square runs our IMC we've been paying for this all along but
we've never taken advantage of it so this they will send somebody down and train as many people as we want so we with this system can link with with the town hall and with the treasurer's office and the accountants office and
it's not just the supervisory people in the police force that are being trained the accounting office the treasur collector payroll office are all being trained too but the training is not included in the purchase of the software
wow they they they purchased eight years ago that's crazy so I don't know i know when I purchase software the training kind of depends on the software but well honestly we we've this software or this and correct me if I'm wrong J we've had
it for for for years years and years and we've been paying for it for years and years time okay that was my question that's okay so I can cut into your time you take all the time so real quick and
naturally Tom can speak with us but I'm a frequent listener to And New Bedford is constantly their IMC is constantly going down yeah I don't know if you've heard of this but not going to has really really been good as we we've had no
issues with so it's a benefit problem yeah it could be operator error um our guys are pretty good okay perfectly honest with you and we've been uh upgrading yeah well we had a
lightning strike so uh lightly as far as uh what we're using okay so that's awesome thank you appreciate it appreciate it you got it yes
you guys need anything else or is uh No thank you very much appreciate it thank you thank you Tom hope you're not here too long hope nobody's here too long i'm going to try and make it quick thank you very much all right thanks all right up up up to the plate is uh
our firec department our fire chief Mr tom Farland jack of all trades yeah i'm going to try to do this at 30 seconds all right starting now um since I do both you want to start with EMA that's going to be the really
easy one sure not a single thing has changed from last year to this year i do I do have a question about that okay um the vehicles um yes is there any plans on We have a couple of them that are
having issues um ISU1 was just repaired all it needed was a transmission flush and now operating normal love that okay that's um so that was able to be covered by regular
um department funding um I am one of the things I need to talk with Chief Peru about is when they do upgrade their cruisers if they can spare one or if they're going to have to trade them both in for the value um cuz that's how we've gotten three of our four vehicles
um I do have some feelers out for some other vehicles um that's just not a good market for it right now um but it's not something that's out of mind it's definitely something I issue upgrade yeah it doesn't move done um
might as well put it on i isue two probably could use a little tuneup mhm it's on the It's on the books to go that's why I wasn't sure maybe should budget a little bit nope okay it's on the books for within the next uh two months oh okay awesome will be covered
under this thank you all right i saw lots of fire emirs um a lot of what you're going to see in um in the requests is
still up for debate um especially on the salary side um my contract is up is not completely settled we're about 95% of the way there but we're not all the way there um the
union the full-time salaries their contract is up at the end of June so they're going to be um going through that process um the only thing I can tell you is the part-time salaries there's not really much of a change there um I try to
continue to give them a 2% cola um just to keep them coming back um and are these three-year contracts or uh yeah both mine and the union would be three um and your the biggest change in
in this budget is the overtime um as Mr kelly alluded to before when Chief Crew was up um this was one of the ones that we were trying to make right last year it didn't come to fruition with last year's budget constraints so we had to be dropped back um if you don't look at
23 and 24 um the prior 6 years before that the average was 130 $133,000 that we spent on overtime um so I'm comfortable with leaving it at 130 23 and 24 are the unicorn years because
I've had one member out IOD um so we've been filling some shifts there um and there's some discussion on how to move forward um we we've had an increase in open shifts due to some of the part-time staff um not being not providing enough
availability to cover all of the shifts so that gets filled with overtime or um gets filled by me um and the numbers we've spent in the course of 18 months we spent an additional uh
$25,000 covering it with overtime that it wouldn't have cost us if we had covered it with the people that we actually pay to be there you get overtime when you do it i get smiles not from Jamie but he
So right now based on all these numbers uh your your budget's total it's only up uh 36 36,000 yeah most of it's contractual yeah right and most of that's contractual and 60 of that actually comes from the increase in the
overtime line right why do I see 100 i see 100 you're adding in the vehicle it was the adjustment from last year's budget the 60,000 yeah last year last year was 1.199 right that's 2020 235 2025 budget
was 131 yeah you're looking at 104,000 i was looking at 2024 actual yes that's the 104,60 of that is from overtime per vehicle that was added to it so that got added to the not that it makes a difference but um do you have kind of an
estimate on how much of the overtime is from providing a drop um none of it because we don't call in off duty staff to go it's covered by the auding providing a fire engine the
problem is um that we don't send the duty staff out of town we call it people from home they left that open but as far as like for the ambulances the duty staff that's already on goes the only time over time would be incurred is if there's a second medical at the same
time then we bring in one additional person to work with the person that's already there so we run three people so actually let me follow up on that call in so if you got one that much in town unless I'm in the office Monday
through Friday it's a four we do not send a second truck mutually so if the first truck is tied up whether it's out of town or in town that's so it's just whoever's on fire engine tank will the tanker and the fire engine
will get called in for off duty staff we have more call firefighters than we have EMS staff okay so that will be able to go anytime that that's called ambulance only goes out is there in the town if we're fully staffed growth like
300 out of town we don't only have in the office because then I can send the person that's on duty out of town or I can take it and meet somebody else how much which I've heard a couple times yeah uh we've got an increase
between 500 and 600 in revenue and an increase of asks of uh about so the town the school's going to
take well three to four we're still very these all these budgets you've seen and all these budgets are subject to cuts to but just to be clear this is up 1004 from last fiscal
from the original budget but that budget was adjusted by 60 no that doesn't come out though right it's up well that's a one cost for uh the vehicles right but when you're looking at it
last year we balanced somewhat balanced the budgets by cutting the overtime and we've transparency breaks so both all departments in town know this is
what it should be and then we look at all departments for cuts we have cut some departments already but as far as major cuts
uh like the overtime we cut last year we haven't done yet the kilos we cut it but we still pardon I said we cut it out of the budget but we still have end up having it at the end of the year yeah and and
how we'll most likely show a balanced budget and and most likely we are going to be filling the that whole a lot of it with money that was for positions we could uh couldn't fill right away
understood you getting a better deal on the repair work slightly for most of it well we're very grateful for the town of East not only it not only is it
uh a good deal it's superior workmanship it's a good deal yeah Tim takes care of us chief how's the uh how's the ambulance revenue doing um like runs and all that
very insane um where there's only been two other times that we've transported over 100 people in a month we've done that January February and March so far this year um we are pacing anywhere from 3 to four
weeks ahead of where we were last year for call volume um that includes transports that includes fire calls as well everything is up um I wish I could explain it um but with borrowed equipment we're busy where
do we stand on the uh we have two on order um the first one will be delivered sometime in November of this year and the second should be in May of next year
and you know one that's doing which one is that one replacing uh the one that's coming in in November will replace Rescue One which is the 2016 is that Middle Street um well they they shuffle we we alternate them um month by
month just to keep the usage down so we're not overusing one over the other so it's the older of the two ambulances will be replaced when the second one comes in next year we'll be keeping the ambulance it's replacing as a mechanical spare so if something has to go out of
service for routine maintenance or for unexpected maintenance we can still have two of our own and not have to go to Rochester or the city to borrow one are we keeping it stay tuned working on it
so Chief you said all the calls were up since January do you track how many of these are Trump derangement syndrome related or I mean it's January February March it's not a code that we can use just curious i didn't know if you knew i
I think the ICD10 code that's going to get updated I think soon the ID10 that's my line do you have any capital coming up um we got two ambulances that are on order that were already approved um
on those if you don't mind me asking do we have an update um one will be delivered in November um and one next May the time frame we're looking at um aside from that we just got the new tinker a year and a half ago so that's
that's been upgraded um I had two articles before the the the select board um to replace the um SCVA compressor in our fire station to fill our bottles um Mhm um the one that we
have currently is on the older side and it struggles to get the pressure that we need to fill the bottles to full um and it goes down probably twice a year that needs maintenance um so that's one that's before them and the other one is
um to uh purchase a a new engine something that we haven't done since 2007 so when's that um that's before the board so hopefully for a town meeting in in June but we we're still trying to
hammer out the details to come up with a plan on how to pay and finance for it thankfully we do have the EMS revenue account so we have a way to do that um and like your monitors were built into the uh so we just got two brand new
monitors with opioid um lawsuit funding mhm um and additional cardiac monitors are into the cost of the ambulances as well so we
can if we have to we can upgrade those do you have any cadetses in the fire academy uh we have one that will be going in June as a call firefighter and that is all we have right now i do have other applications on fire how long is that what's that cost uh zero
there is in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts the fire academy is a zero cost to local towns and communities it's part of the state budget um they don't get paid since it's a call firefighter he doesn't get paid for the time that he goes there it's part of his initial training part of what he
provides to us um he does he will be allowed to come to our own drills he can respond to calls and observe and he will get paid for that but for us he doesn't turn out gear yep yeah we provide him with the turnout gear and all of that stuff but um that it's two nights for
6:30 to 10 and a Saturday and it goes from June until September uh nope sorry June until October right anybody else have any questions for Tom thanks Chief thank you wasn't five
minutes but it was still pretty good very efficient thanks Tom a lot of the public safety asks as far as capital
items will be recommended by my office to the selectment what they do depends on what's going happen i mean when you look at their budgets overall there's really not big increases
so not when you look at we eviscerated them last year for the overtime well that and also postponement of all the other things that they needed all right next i was I was wondering at
one point but my tenure here would be as long as it takes to get an ambulance wait till I try to get fired oh that is forever day
all right the next budgets we're going to hear Mr kelly is going to provide board of selectment miscellaneous uh town buildings debt pension insurance and then he's also going to handle the board of appeals the debt we're going to hold off on okay uh just because I want
to get some updated figures and direction on uh and I'm not confident on all of the figures especially since we're rolling over a ban
hopefully a month from now things will clarify but select board uh salary for the town administrator is uh just off the back of the envelope as you know when I came here
uh I it was a hometown discount and we kept my salary almost level for the 3 years uh as far as the administrative staff we're cutting one position from
uh 30 hours to 19 and a half and that also eliminates the need for longevity uh as far as uh the expenses they're pretty much
level and overall it's a decrease by approximately 20,000 where do we stand on um the town administrator search is there going to be a search committee or Yeah well I
don't know they've advertised is there a transitional plan like cuz it's it's April and I'm not party to those discussions okay i'm just curious i just know like
until the police chief again but you know that that was announced in May you announced a little earlier I believe right in January so yeah it's been pretty hard the problem is getting somebody to come here i just It's probably the one position
that's worse than having you know no police chief is having no CEO of the town that's concerning yep mhm it's what we went through before Jamie mhm christian's going to be called tombstones
town buildings town buildings town buildings uh there is an increase overall you'll see that general government totally is a very minor increase like
17,000 for all those departments and this is one that there is an increase uh your the energy
budget you know where energyy's going uh we increased the repair and maintenance of the buildings cuz your buildings are falling apart speaking of falling apart buildings
what's going on with the library what the uh the old one the old one yeah i've got a request at uh the same uh for CPC funds to move the
memorials so then we can market the building i'm sorry well no those memorials one of them is 14 pieces not including the uh uh slab that it rests on
and uh stupid question dpw can't do that you'd need a crane oh they're that big okay where would we put them the family we're probably going to put them in an area by uh parting
way cuz it's not really it would detract from the uh veterans area up at Pope Park so there is some area there that we can
utilize but uh other than that it's uh uh as you know postage and uh some
supplies have been centralized in town buildings and so that's but that was done in a priority year so you just see it carried forward any questions
next up is miscellaneous no change and it's uh celebrations uh as you can see uh you've got shellfish warden harbor
master herring inspector etc that we have to uh fund uh and we have to have but no funds are expended year to year it's minor the real issues here
are the uh various celebrations you have we spend some uh money on decorations it's all minor mhm where's the Krishna harbor pardon where's the Kushner harbor
uh well they're actually talking about doing a water fire oh really that would be nice that'd be awesome from the from Bridge to Burge that'd be cool that'd be really nice uh contributo pensions
we have no control over what we owe Bristol County they tell us they have uh I think it's now to 2040 it's a moving target to be fully funded
well and as far as Medicare you'll see the note it'll be refined uh when we figure out what the final uh payroll potential payroll for the
town cuz it's formulaic and it's uh it won't be that much different from this it's 0.145 realm formula formula
as if there's a $10 word i'm I'm glad Latin school shows forward i don't think I've ever heard of that word before but we'll go over that conjugate sup uh employee benefits and
insurance we had a 9.9 increase in health insurance uh we've had a couple workers comp claims so that's the spike in workers comp they usually do an audit afterwards
and we'll probably get some money back but that is on advice of our insurance consultants they said to put it there and uh we have decreased
unemployment slightly and the others are flat who Who's the town using maya or No we're as far away from Maya as we can get uh Maya is a terrible deal they're they were 14.9 to 19.9 and health
insurance their PNC is abysmal uh the support is even worse uh we uh use hub international for our
PNC VFIS for IOD uh workers comp is mega which is the uh we I've been using them in most communities because they're a better
deal and they're the school pool for workers comp and you said it's going to go down yeah well it won't go down payroll and I thought we had like spent a lot of overtime and it won't go down
but when they do the audit we usually get some money back which goes into the general fund every year I've been here we've got some back not a lot but I'm I'm very happy with this in
the fact we only went up 9.9 there were no plan design changes and uh the uh situation in other communities some of them are
going up as much as 20% and considering where we were two years ago mhm yeah they wanted 30% yeah board of Appeals the Board of Appeals
uh there are no changes in it but I wanted just to put it forward for discussion purposes we've been using part-time
folks for the support staff and we'll be looking maybe to fold some of these duties into present staff so it'll be a small savings here
and there but I'm just using it as it was put in here in my staff to remind me to talk to you folks about pretty small budget yeah but it's there there are a
couple positions scattered through and right now we uh we don't have people in these positions and we're using staff or former staff who have told us that they only
want to do it to help us out as you can see general government Mhm other than a couple departments that said it was really needs as far as expenses go uh we're bare bones
uh we're below our uh bare we're bare bones in culture and wreck i think $8,000 increase round figures
uh the human services were negative we've cut so we're negative numbers as far as from last year uh our real problem is uh we've got the fixed costs which are
the insuranceances and the pension between that we're up about 300 round figure 325,000 now we're short a million6 still well a million one is the increase of
the schools from and the revenue is the same about 600,000 Yeah increase so we're utilizing all that we still we'd still be left with a million deficit we're looking right
now on the town side to to not be able to cut if we don't cut the overtime again this year like we did last year which I think is very foolish right
now until you see what's going on everywhere in in the total town budget that uh you're going to be cutting positions we are not filling
vacant positions on the town side and they've done anything as far as defunding the vacant positions yeah this budget defunds so there are no any position that wasn't filled it has been
considered off the table when we haven't cut any filled positions we haven't done any layoffs right yeah yeah but the unfilled positions are off the books yes we are bare bones
you're going to be cutting into vital organs soon and it's not even all that much money you start laying off you're not that's not going to even Nope and every person you lay off every two two people you lay off you
should lay off a third in your computation costs because of the unemployment costs i know I asked this before and I know it's probably not popular but is there
any talk about using any stabilization stabilization is that's kind of taboo for operational budget we don't operational and we I've the problem with using it I mean
these are crazy years I don't see but the problem with using it is you build it into your budget you don't you don't face the issue that you're not going to be getting you're kicking the can down the road yeah you're not going to be getting anything other than the same
amount of income next year because I don't think your new growth is going to change that much states never going to change what they give you the fact is we've pushed our local receipts i mean I
any of the major local receipts I've estimated and the revenue is 80% and I really shouldn't I should be at 75 to mention the effects that it has on our bond rating bond rating 10%
it's a little high pardon I mean I think the balance is a little high that it's not going to I don't think it would affect that bond rate if you use a couple hundred thousand of stabilization you have to uh you have to keep around 7.5 to 10%
not to affect the bond rating that we have now in general stabilization we are probably going to use the infrastructure stabilization fund to fill the hole for
Sloum Street because the state has still not released any of the transportation bond issue money that this town was promised in 2014 and every year since
and the other problem with that Phil is once we start going down that road it's going to be it's going to be expected every year and it's it's basically it I'll compare it to a bailout because that's what it is it's we're going to bail out uh the budget with that and be
like well we did it in 2026 why can't we use it again i'm like okay well we're just going to keep doing this over and over again keep living off your savings account and because like Mr kelly said um you know our unfortunately our growth
revenue growth is probably not going to increase substantially next year um you know maybe the year after that you know with some good planning we can start you know getting more revenue in here and you're only at what I would say the
minimum way you should be at contributing to OPIB and you said school department is a great example from it with the co money that came in the extra boon that they got they added they added position right they added positions when they shouldn't
have and two years ago we had a meeting with them talking about this money isn't going to keep coming forever what are you going to do well we'll ask the state for more what are you going to do when you the money doesn't show up well we'll have to make cuts that was two years ago did you see any cuts last year or this
year in their budget no well the issue is just I mean costs are are going up astronomically and and you know the revenue is going to go up whatever two three maybe 4% and and there's two options really i mean
there's really two options and it's either more taxes or reducing services and you know nobody wants to hear nobody wants to hear either option well you you're facing two dead exclusions one isn't a
lot of money it is some but it's not a lot the other one colony yeah it will put anywhere from a,000 to,200 on top for an average house cuz
you'll be footing at least onethird of the bill of that stabilization we're going to pay that back anyways it's great supposed to over a number of years yeah that's what I say you have to but you build it the problem is you
build it into your base then and the you're just going to have to cut the next year even more and it'll hurt even more then yeah we've in in my in my tenure on this committee
um we've never really we've prided ourselves in this town on the fact that uh we never presented to an annual town meeting an override like many towns you we're all facing the same situation but there are
a lot of towns that have done tax overrides and and overrides but they mostly fail and it's just it makes a situation worse because now your next year's budget's going to have to be based on that it's just but Prop 2 and a half it's just it's it's an old it's
like it's like the chapter 70 formula broken formula but two two and a half would work if you had new growth mhm the problem with not having new growth and
not having new growth that doesn't result in 2.2 kids in a school system it would also work it would also commercial if we had more responsible spending at the state level and and and budgeting
i mean it's what's happening now is is is like ridiculous right i mean it's Well yeah state is going up what I don't know like 1% or something it averages between a half a percent and a spike here it's one and a half you your local
receipts go up since we straightened out how you guys were doing your local receipts uh go up about 5% four to 5% a year i said something your
tax levy goes up about 3% a year between two and a half new growth etc your state aid goes up half a percent to one and a half% more that's where the problem is that's not Well like I said that's not
the only problem though and a perfect example is something that Pete brought up when we had our state reps come in here with the mass safe budget right so she budgeted how much in 2024 two 3 million 3 million and used how much uh
it was just over 800,000 had been used to date right so there's 2.2 too much and then for this coming year she's asking for five she asked for five and then clawed back half a million of that and made it seem like some great concession but it was still 50% increase
for five million or a billion yeah uh no it was 5 million 5 billion and cla 500 million and made it seem like a great ask but she was still 50% increase over the year prior and they didn't even use 20% of
that well then you can throw in all the billions that have been spent the last several years on illegal funding illegal immigration i'll go back to that again that's going to get us to this that has gotten us to this point but when you look at it like the millionaire's tax
or whatever they call that fair share fair share something fair transportation and uh education well where'd the transportation money go the MBTA where' the education money go to the community
colleges yeah for free programs yeah to provide more free stuff i mean but it doesn't go where it's most needed and that's the locals that's the mentality of the state well of course and they're and then they push back that shortfall on the towns to
recoup in different taxes and it's just more taxation from them because they misspent the taxes they collected well that's why we've earned the moniker of Massachusetts and now we're the the second most expensive state in the country to live hopefully people wake energy costs well
that the green new scam that's that's going to cost billions and it's it's not even it's not sustainable they're they're way out of touch with reality when it comes to any of that crap yeah that this town has done very well once
it paid attention in local receipts you're averaging now 5% that's a good growth for local receipts if you had typical new growth it would be
triple what you have now look if I've been on this committee for 19 years if we haven't been if we weren't as fiscally as conservative as we have been for a long time this town would be screwed uh there's no doubt about it i mean you'd have people people would be
able to afford to live here yeah but I mean you've you've increased your we we've increased your investment income by about 150,000 that's great but but that's that's local receipts local receipts
aren't tax levy is you know the major portion of your revenue and if you can't keep new growth going
and attract reasonable rational growth then you're going to be in this problem year to year to year to year seems like we are mhm and I pulled out every rabbit I can
think of in the last two years there's any more rabbits left yeah they're not multiplying like they should i mean our our residents in this town cannot afford tax overrides to fund the operational budget no way
if you go down that road most towns that do that seem to be looking for it about every seven or eight years you do one operational override and seven or eight years later you're
looking for another one seven or eight years after that you're looking for another one i think it'll be more often than not i think Mansfield's going through a couple times we have four well well they al they alternate the dance between
uh jet exclusion and override but they also uh had a big commercial and industrial park development and then they got hit hard when the industrial parks ended up
vacant oh and you know the some of these unions are out of touch with reality too when it comes to demands uh that they want um just unrealistic that and like I've
talked about before nobody in at the state house will ever tackle pension reform in this state because they all benefit from it it's it's ridiculous um not just that but the auditing any word on that on the audit i emailed our state
rep uh Mr wlette and never got a response from them this a surprise where where do we stand on the uh state auditor in the state legislator oh they don't want to be audited you kidding me of course nobody wants to need to be
dodged i worry about this right now my error of being under the gold dome uh is 30 years in my rear view mirror oh we're we're on the state keeps
electing politicians like we have now in power we're going to keep going down this road that we are right now all right let's uh let's take up this uh request for the transfer for the police department so as
Tom uh had mentioned before it's it's in the amount of $5,000 for training and testing uh it's coming from their reserve fund and it's to cover the associated cost with training staff of the police department to be able to uh better utilize uh their payroll software
make a motion second all in favor i no one's posted okay motion passes all right next up anybody have any old business new new business i've got to bring the debt the
golf and uh the capital items before you but next week I assume your time is taken up so it would have to be the next meeting after that
uh the 15th is a board of selectman meeting on the school budget that uh Fincom is cordially invited i've been told we've already that starts at 4 or 4:30 uh four
four as I know right there Ca the Council Council on Council on Aging i I would suggest that you post your meeting whether or not you can consider it one of your meetings just for the open
meeting look yeah Kathy's going to post it um on Wednesday yeah and then we're going to we're going to cover that in a minute so we have two sets of uh meeting uh minutes to to uh approve one is from February 5th 2025 uh in attendance was
myself Sue Delg Sue Delgado Phil Adams Pete Penoy Eric Chu Kristen Flynn Eric McGlin and Bob St gene make a motion second i minutes approve and the other set
is 20 2024 yeah I did the new one first because I just I have my phone here um May 29th 2024 and in attendance was myself Pete Bonoy Eric Chuba Ferrer uh Kristen Flynn and Eric McLot
second all in favor i was minutes or approved next meeting date is as Mr kelly said it's going to be next Tuesday the 15th at the Council on Aging at 4:00 um it's going to be a hearing that we're going to have with our to to hear the
school's budget and with the board select i would suggest you also post a meeting on the 16th which is the public hearing on the debt exclusion just to be safe if more than a quorum go
to that meeting so they're considering that their public hearing as school is I guess on the 16th you said Wednesday isn't that a regular meeting a regular meeting yeah so the 15th if we're posting that as a meeting and we have a quorum do we have to open
the meeting up or is it like a meeting yeah but you can open it and close it just for quickly and it doesn't have it just to cover you for the open meeting law the meeting itself is the
selectman's hearing on the school budget i mean I plan to be around to go to it myself i don't know how so i don't uh with our group that we have here right now is everybody going to be able to attend the Tuesday afternoon meeting yes not possible but I can try i think it
might go for a little while yeah I'll be there okay i can go to approximately six a little bit before six on that day yeah yeah that's one uh I would suggest at some point you've got to have
uh the uh a further discussion probably uh sometime at the end of the month on the both schools budgets cuz if there are no movement on them I don't know how I can deliver a
balanced budget without uh eliminating departments on the town side entire department and even that one cuz we're down to one or two people per department right now i mean if the
school can't see the situation and they can't bring their budget down I mean we'll just have to take it to a vote we'll have to cut it yeah but we're not the one we can make a recommendation but it's not our job to No it'll have to go to the town vote but yes it's an
unbalanced election it it can be presented at town meeting cut by the selectment it'll have to be cuz they're not budging you know and it's going to be up to the voters i mean we have to present the
best case we can to the voters if you if you approve this expect your taxes because we've got these other things down the road that are coming too you know it's if they don't want to if the school can't do it or doesn't want to do it we'll just have
to make it's a perfect storm well you've got two debt exclusions and a serious uh budget and def operational budget capital expenses pardon capital expenses for articles
what do we have you've got you've got right now you've got the fire other than the fire the engine which that's under discussion how we'd pay for it you've got the two cruisers all right so let's
let's do the math here so the the fire truck uh take the fire truck yeah don't count that yet yeah that may or may not even be in there all right so the two cruisers what's the
total on that uh 140 mhm okay give or take uh 100 for the fire department stuff uh 100 for what was that for that's the
air compressor system i'm assuming that's all yeah uh just off the top of my head uh you've got another uh 75 in IT
stuff uh you've got 35 to update the chart of accounts because we're out of compliance so no big huge ask you've got to retire the ban on the school roof you've got
600,000 600k on the school roof all right so that's a big one i know there's some I'm forgetting right now so it's almost a million dollars right there yeah it's We got about a million
six well you've got to also figure you're putting a couple hundred,000 in general stabilization to keep the multiplier effect uh and you've got at least
another 100,000 in MS4 between the MS4 consultants and the MS4 stabilization okay you've got a 100,000 oped and you've got 50,000 in compensated absences
did you were going to take the money that we're going to put in stabilization and put that on slow no we have an infrastructure stabilization account and we're going to be paying for part of that
last the last count meeting we authorized up to a certain amount so so minus the general stabilization fund it got like about 1.2 million and then and then you put a couple hundred,000 in the general stabilization
account so what would h what if we didn't yeah what if you didn't yes i can't say you it'll affect the bond rating or not but you're going to be going
out for at some point and if you do go out on any of those debt exclusions because they pass you're going to want a bond rating that's decent then you could you could
kill your bond rating by at least a point if not a point and a half if you're not where you should be in general no yeah absolutely yeah the bond rating is going to be pretty stellar uh just in
case um and at this point I think it's more prudent to add a little bit to the stabilization fund what are you looking for that for future with what we've got coming down the pipe than to not put it in now oh believe me I'm not a fan of not
putting it in i know i'm just trying to 200,000 and you go into bond over it you got to make the 50 then we just need the industrial part so or the casino growing facility work on Tuesday
and Thursday afternoon so the country I work like 30 hours a week now union yeah self-employed self-employed i'm I'm my own union i don't work these days in 30 years
whose turn is it for the motion i'll make a motion to That's his turn no go ahead and make the motion i'll make a motion to uh second all in favor
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