e e e e e e e second page over everything's stapled together next one over phone then it's right there oh both sides that's why I
missed it sorry mhm safe paper should looked at this before wasn't that much that we did I I don't have I don't have anything to change anybody else you a motion motion to approve
second minutes of the meeting on the 20th I'll second that I'll abstain I got a motion I get a second all in favor I I okay moving on we had a public hearing scheduled for
this this public hearing is being continued continued site plan review and special permit for 211 Middle Road map 23 Lot 29 29a 29b um the proponent still needs a
little bit more time to um make some changes finish the changes and go through the letter from GF and they request to continue the public hearing to March 20th I make a
motion to continue the public hearing on March 20th 2025 at 6: p.m. at the board selectman's meeting room in overo second all in favor I thank you I just add one question to that while while we're here sure um this has been postponed several
times to they long as we notify the date they don't have to notify the abuts or that's a good question correct they do not have to re notify it's the you know Butters responsibility to keep up with the project I'm not in favor of that because
then people start to forget and people but I think that's what the the rule is yeah right yeah okay is there anything is there anything preventing us from asking the proponent to beert resend out certified letters
when they're finally finished and ready for approvable some towns have a bylaw to that they would recertify that they have to send cert certified mail again after a certain amount of continues something else add the list and I think but yeah we can I don't see why we can't
request it and just say you know we we've consented to this to this extension but any further extensions we will be asking for you to send out a butter notification again even if it's not certified that's really expensive so
like even if it's just a letter agree out you know you know I know that I know there's an expense but compared to the rest of the expenses relative to trying to get that know yeah peanuts well it's not like we're talking about a
homeowner to come up with all this money to develop a 5,000 foot lot okay so we'll uh we'll let them know that uh we'll continue this one and uh if they Cho to continue again be
required to send out notifications yeah request anyway we request all right moving on discussions and other topics we have an informal meeting for 59 Bernard Street applicant and owner is Carlos
Costa uh Mr Costa please come on up introduce yourself and let us know what you're trying to do I know that this is an informal meeting you're try to just get a little bit of information um just kind of we have uh
uh copies this is your septic plan if I'm not mistaken yes okay we have copies of your septic plan if you can kind of just go give us an idea of what you're planning to do what's there and um what you want sure record record my name is
Kevin Silva SNK engineer I'm here helping um caros CA who purchased a lot this lot I started working on this lot several owners ago and for some reason they backed out because they they ran
out of money they didn't want to spend money on it or whatever I do not know but K was bought it he called me up to do the septic design building permit plan for him I did that and uh and doing that going through the
process the Board of Health was reviewing the plan there was mention of make sure that the water Department's okay the planning B is okay with the road so on and so forth so that led us to come here and we're looking to he's
Mr CER is looking to build a house on the lot and this is an existing lot that's been in existence for years it's two acres it's got plenty of Fage on the paper street but it's also got a portion of it which is developed uh you can see
you get the plan in front of you there's about 20 ft of pavement 16 ft wide that comes into the front of this lot and then it turns into a 16t wide Gravel Road that's not your conventional dead center line of the road it does meander
off and makes it look like a driveway type 16t wide it's a dead end dead ends on a wetland uh Mr Kasa was buying that with the intention of keeping it as a gravel road and just building the house the well cuts across the road so you
cannot extend the road Beyond uh the well obviously because of conservation issues yeah so you have the frontage is starts
here can I can I the Ben pleas please Frontage starts here yes go all goes all the way to here on the Bernard Street I was down there 45 minutes ago yeah it's not an easy spot to get to I'll tell you what that whole oneway
situation oh my God I was going down the other Road I acoss I ended up finding it uh yeah the asphalt ends pretty much where right there yeah pretty close to like 10 15 ft
before your lot starts and then it's basically all gravel over here and then you have like a a little bit of an asphalted area over here and this asphalt area here which is see there that prior use was a business years ago I don't know when
this this is a Google Earth picture um that's the L right there you can see the cars parking there was buildings on this sheds in uh and a garage one of the owners prior to Mr CA took down the buildings I believe um I think there's still a few sheds back there couple
sheds there so coup little containers and full some tools in there so I'm going clean that out after the guy used to have a landscape in business and he was going to build this house there and then he chose not to do it move somewhere else that's what is there
a house on Assessor's map 15 right now yes yeah no I'm across the street from what where there yes yes it's already there yeah funny you bring that up the original owner that was going to develop this which I started with was going to
work together with them because they wanted to eliminate access through Lane and access this side so they were going to get together and and build the water line together and the gas line I believe don't quote me on this that the own the
two owners ago chipped in to bring the gas line down but they never did the water line uh because this the gentleman that was buying this before backed out for other reasons but they continued to build a house and maintain their Frontage on tole Lane
I I went I went all the way down to and that thing was gone forever and to Lane itself is a 16 ft wide just yeah I mean this is this is only for this lot there is a house already
yeah yeah quote but if they have well their Frontage is on tudo yeah but if they abought Bernard do they own half of Bernard they have the rights to the center of that bernardy but they don't own it if it's not if it is it an
accepted Street there or an unaccepted street it's accepted yeah through the as everybody that's on an unaccepted Street owns to the central line of the road whether it's a new subdivision or an ancient way like Lake Street how
about that Lake Street is not an accepted Street that's interesting um I don't believe Keen Road is either and there are many others yes um any questions any to extend the P would be a very intrusive uh look to
that neighborhood and you can't do anything further than that so I mean I'm looking I mean I see a lot of greenery down that side what's that's all this I don't know how far it goes so who whoever own the print who owns this lot do they own all the
way down to the end here too I don't recall that for sure but they did own quite a bit it looks like the well land line kind of goes here so I actually worked on that house as well years ago so if we if we said it was okay to
have Frontage for a building on this side there's already a house on the other side so it's and there there's no danger in approving the the frontage as as it sits the
access on the Frontage as it sits my question is is no I think he's got Frontage on this my question is if this person owns 50% of this road will there need to be an easement of some sort of his Access
Road not the way I understand the state law you have you have the right if you have Frontage on an unaccepted Street you have the rights to access your lot and to run utilities on the street
layout uh to service your lot period you don't technically right to it you own you own it subject to basically easement rights of others to use the street
yeah that's the way I understand it anyway so all we're looking for is a permission to maintain that resurface this grab a road it's a little rough because of the years of Abandonment but it's still accessible um just put a new
gra and build the house it's it's the same thing that's going to repeat itself again and again and again is right now again the way I understand the way the current state law is
written and has gone through the courts that if a road is not constructed there is no Assumption of Frontage you can you you cannot if the road's not constructed like like a paper
Street there's no Frontage until the street is there and the access is improved to the point that the planning board decides it's adequate to service that building and the surrounding area that's the way I understand it
sufficient with and GRE I think is a term they use uh you have to have sufficient withth and grade in the planning boards ice to service this l or to access I understand we again it's not it's not a new issue here right I got you however I think you know at the very
least it should be matching what's already coming down benade street it's matching with but it's not matching it pav it is 21t this is this is just should the it's up to us you can see it's up to
us as to what standard the frontage in the for that lot has got to be brought up to down to 16t right right what I'm looking at it's discretionary on our part however I mean another reason to have a meeting to start going over this
I mean here we've had two meetings and what's come in is two uh house constructions on you know an unconstructed Street and we've had several other inquiries along the way some of them have gone away uh some of them have not but uh we we do not have a
policy in place at this point so we could either say you've got to build the street to the extent that the rest of the streets are built in that we can say you've got to put a street in 24 ft wide where we can say you only have to have a
gravel drive up to your lot there's it's discretionary right this is this case we're just looking you can't build further it's always it's I I understand what you're saying we're always dealing with just one more yeah you know it's
that's that it's this is not an uncommon question here and I'm not saying I'm not saying you know one way or another you know what we should do with it yeah there's not something we can only ask that's yeah if I real quick um so just something I do want to point out before
we kind of get into the development of the roadway or maintaining the gravel way or potential improvements I think there may be a frontage issue you know going back to what Rick said it's based off of construct constructed roadway and our board actually does not really
determine if you're if you're meeting that that's more for the zoning enforcement officer so at this point I think I had mentioned in an email to you guys that I think we should reach out to our zoning enforcement officer for an opinion on as to whether or not if
you're based on your proposal of requesting to maintain the roadway as is if that's you meeting Frontage If part of that is not constructed do you know what I mean so i' have to go i' have to go back you know all these things with this increase
in lot values is becoming more and more critical but like you said the wording generally is that the way is constructed so that in the opinion of the planning board it has adequate access right but that's for roadway
construction that's for accessing the law that's not determining Frontage so I would say because when they go for a building permit I I understand there there's a there is a fair amount of case law to the extent that if the road's not
built there is quote no there is no Frontage in there is no practical Frontage because Frontage assumes access is sufficient for that lot and that's what happens too on some of our Forma
plans uh there are cases out there where planning boards have signed form a plans and there is a how should I put it there is an assumption that when we sign a form a plan that there is
sufficient front a sufficient construction to provide access to the buildings on those lots or the buildings that are going to be proposed that's the whole reason for the subdivision law is to make sure that
roadways are constructed in a fashion that's sufficient to access the lots that are created as opposed to back in 1915 when you just went to the registry of deeds with a plan that showed you know 300 Lots on all these streets that weren't constructed have you been to the
building inspector uh yeah there I yeah we've been a couple times there some talk about doing a forc subdivision I think you said is that is that what he said is that what he said I Victor sent out an email to some extent of file for
there there is some just to clarify that is not what I said I said it it said if it's determined that you don't have enough Frontage with the way the road sits as is right with with the gravel way that's there you would either have to extend it further to maintain the
frontage potentially do a form C or or get a variance from zba or apply for a variance so there what I was trying to explain that is if there is an issue there's a few different Avenues you would be able to pursue but there is Frontage on Berard Street there's no I
well that's why I think the board should get an opinion from our zoning enforcement officer cuz it's not up to our board to determine if your Frontage is adequate because when you go to get a building permit it's not this board approving that it's the zoning enforcement offic we're just here for we
have a we have a previous we have a previous opinion from Town Council I forget how many years ago it was the planning board can require a form C subdivision to continue that to to basically to
continue the construction of the road I know I just a little confused forc some when there is no subdivis subdivision creates Frontage a lot that doesn't have any Frontage right this is this already has no it does on a
nonexist there's we we've got an opinion from Town Council in the past there is Court history that without the roadway constructed you don't have the frontage as envisioned by the state zoning Act and the subdivision control which is
sufficient with the gr yeah exactly so it's a determination if you if you can feel that this is sufficient with the grid which has been used for over for years that satisfies the sufficient width and grade as far as the planning board the we have to 150 ft from here to
here is this 150 ft technically don't have to be 150 ft of unless you have that in your byw 15 old used to be how much how much Frontage is required in Fe how much Frontage is
required in this in for this lot under the zoning that's there right now be50 is it 30,000 or is it 10,000 foot Lots back in this area well it's this is one lot regardless of got so he has 60,000
ft but so so he needs 150 ft of Frontage correct okay that presupposes 150 ft of roadway Construction in that layout because it's a it's essentially a paper street from from there back it's not an
accepted Street uh I'm not saying that the board has got to make a decision as to what they consider as adequate construction to provide the 150t of Frontage for that
one lot and we can stop it where we can say it's sufficient where it is uh we can say you got to build a 20 foot wide gravel roadway with a foot of gravel underneath and drainage and all that other good stuff and then you got to go to conservation because you're going to
be within 100 ft of a resource area right I I I we understand that I I understand that I for me don't tell me what I have to approve
you know and and and we're we're we're got a discussion that we're going to schedule very shortly on what is required for construction or to provide Frontage on unbuilt or subst standardly
built uh roadways in front of the Lots what I would recommend is going to the building inspector the zoning uh officer and see if he thinks that he if he whe whether he would give you a building
permit with the Frontage that you have now if he says yes if he says no you're going to have to come back and show us 150 ft of Frontage do you have have I didn't bring that copy of that email do you I think
you spoke to the bill inspector didn't it it doesn't matter what Victoria say or the so as long as he says yes we're good to go is that what you're saying if if he says were good to build we good is that what if he wants to start making
determinations of adequate access on all these back Lots well then that's his prerogative I'm not sure talk meeting the frontage requirement well I mean I mean all of these unbuilt Lots you know back on for
lot and street and around the pit and all that that's all the same thing there's there's Frontage for all those lots but but the road's not constructed it's not it's what I'm saying is the courts have already found that Frontage
presupposes access and on these old subdivisions what we were told before some number of years ago that the planing board could require a form C submission in order to guarantee that the road is constructed
in accordance with what the planning board determines is with and great that's the that's that's if you're going to press it that's where I'm headed for you know and we'll have to if we want us to ask Town Council for an
opinion again uh that's what you probably will get for an answer anything I'm I'm coming to informally talk about it because I was a little confused a forc subdivision to me is a subdivision this isn't sub it can
also be used to guarantee proper constuction of the way in front of the lot when you are dealing with unconstructed or substandard constructed yeah then you don't have font CH you go
15t from you can't get that's got nothing to do with this lot you're you're trying you're trying to basically use an unconstructed Street as Frontage for that a
[Music] lot so he's he's good I'm not I'm not I'm not going to give you an answer today you know at he's not here for a vote of any sort he's here for an opinion um I mean he bought this lot off two
people the prior inspector before Mr Bola I believe talked to the original guy that was trying to develop this and it was it was going to it was going to be going forward uh but he the guy ran out of money family issues whatever he he
dropped that sold a lot another couple and then the other couple couldn't afford to do it so they backed out appreciate it but it's it's really that's really not that's not the issue so oh I got you I just it's there and like I said I just depending on what
goes on over here this is an accepted street I'm still standing to the fact that I think that 22t wide way needs to go over 150 ft it should match the ex I don't have I don't have that answer I don't have that answer interject real quick so maybe before we get into what
the planning board thinks is adequate access and roadway construction you know the applicant or the board can request the zoning a zoning opinion from the enforcement officer to see if that Frontage in your proposal as it sits is even going to be adequate or if you're
going to need to rethink you know how you're going to is the Z is the zoning is do we have a copy of the the zoning bylaw by a chance easily available here no with me I can all we have to do is look at the definition of Street and we yeah I can pull that
up yeah the only thing that bothers me is that you don't have 150 ft in Frontage I confused by your term Frontage um Frontage prese sir sir I I understand what you're saying Frontage presupposes adequate
road construction in for that 150 ft building but is this still really unless and we're going to pull up we're going to pull up the3 but the roads not constructed we're talking about we're talking about truly I understand what you do I
understand where you're headed have of B Street but you know what I'm saying still we we still have the issue of is surrounding property is Frontage
available for access to the lot on these unconstructed I'll call them paper streets for lack of a better word does do you have it I do okay let's turn into do you want me to read it out L uh I'm better one you you can okay well I'll
read it out loud for everyone else my wife says I'm a horrible listener so okay a public way a private way shown on a plan approved under the provisions of the subdivision control law or a private way in existence when the provisions of the subdivision control law became effective in town having in the opinion
of the town's planning board suitable grades and adequate construction to serve the proposed use of the land of letting there on or serve thereby Ander the installation of Municipal services to serve such land in the building erected or to be erected there on now I
don't know when the the Bernard Street was approved as a way I don't even know if that was approved under subdivision control subdivision control in town happened around 19 the early 1960s I want to say 62 but I'm 71 my memories
know for for things like that is not what it used to be um so do you know when the Bernard Street roadway uh layout was was put in place have to consult with the surveyor that can make a difference too on the
application of the law but it's still either way it still requires by the bylaw a finding by the planning board that sufficient with the I got you um do I have a plan reference that's the D but I don't know
that it shows when the layout of the subdivision happen this is respons I think you're still in the same boat I think you by the definition in the bylaw you need a deter DET mination from the planning board uh
whether what's constructed provides adequate access uh to that L to get a house built on age I'm not saying we're not doing it I'm just saying that uh thing we've got to discuss that's what
here if the 64 yde d Road is adequate right now my answer is no after we have a discussion only car is going to go in there is my car I mean it's not ends right there are you going to go into the W doesn't but see that's not
unique we're always people are always coming into us and talking about just one more house no no I'm saying if it was in the middle of the street in the middle of the the road somewhere between Bernard and in the middle of the whole develop this is the very end of development there the only car that's
going there's not there the only car that's down there is going to be mine I I any go to Wetland I'm just going I'm not going to myself the rest of the board do what they want this is all wayn for me all I want is just to build a
house even if you now you can they have an asph already subis you can create Frontage by continuing this road and going into this area and making 150 ft does does Gravel Road it does it
doesn't have to what's the width of a gravel road require so what so what it doesn't matter what it is today no but no if Hees if he does if he does a form C let me throw this B if he does a form C and he creates a gravel road same
with from here into his property and he does 150 ft to get the the the frontage I don't honest honestly I don't think formy sub my own opinion is I think the formy subdivision puts a lot of extra
work in there for one person's house but that's just my opinion so how how under these the bylaw right now we determine what is adequate width grade and construction to provide
Frontage for that building one but does that but that could still pres from my perspective I just don't want us or the board to say that this is adequate or the frontage is good the way it is and then Mr Costa Costa go apply for a building permit and it gets denied
because the he's not meeting the constructed Frontage requirement so I just want to be mindful of that F that may there may be another you know Authority on on the Frontage if you got if you agree on this then we'll have to go to the to the inspector and get
approved still right he's the final right fin if you guys approve at least I get another step closer to to to going to him to actually building is the building inspector's job to read the bylaw and decide how that bylaw applies
to this lot and that includes that differ definition of road or way in the zoning PW so if we get an approval from you guys then we can kind of I can go to him and just keep he can so let me something ask you how can these how can these
gentlemen get 150 ft of Frontage can't turn priv you know you you guys can tonight just say it's adequate the way it is I don't think it's adequate cuz he doesn't have 150 ft front on on an accepted is it necessary for one house
with that's got Wetlands on the back side and a house on the other side of the street I don't know now let me ask you a question if this was a retreat log how much Fage do you need you would you would need was it 50 ft or 40t 40t so you need 40t of
Frontage mm we're play where we got essentially over 100 ft of ground Road 16 ft wide however how much up one we need what's that how much up well I'm not saying I'm applying for an estate laot a retreat lot I'm just you can't compare the two
there's there's a lot of things that go no I I understand that 100 100% I'm just saying I've done a lot of these in my career and every board's different so I have to when when got denied or questioned that's why we're here to find
out the answers so I can guide my client the right direction and obviously uh I agree to to subdivide more Lots off of this yes you would have to show sufficient with grade to subdivide more Lots but this is a grandfather lot been
in existence was there was there a house on it before was there a house on that for house was there a house was there a house on this before I know not I now and then it's just a lot on a an
unconstructed Street and it's not grandf well that's no that's grandfather grandfathering is a whole another issue and that's something that may come up if opinion of the zoning enforcement officer was requested that's something that he would look into as a part of his
research and developing his opinion that's not an answer the board can provide for you to no I'm not asking so I'm just asking question throwing out ideas yeah that's all I'm trying to do too is just throw out ideas to see the best route to create 15
22 wide road is going to be very he bought this lot and it wasn't he didn't buy cheap he didn't steal it bought it as a buildable lot with it assumption was buildable I guess there there's other zoning requirements for setbacks on a retreat lot I don't know
if no I know I'm not trying to go Retreat lot I'm just saying you're saying has to be 150 ft of Frontage go I'm not saying I'm not saying anything right now I'm just saying the board's got to make a in my opinion when I read y that definition under the zoning
bylaw these four guys not me no I got you these four guys that are here tonight have got to make a determine deter a determination of adequate access before the building inspector issues a building permit that's all I'm saying
and but I'm also saying from my end I'm not going to say yes tonight no we're not looking for yet yeah I think we just got to wait to hear from what the enforcement agent says and we'll go from there about how we think the road should be upgraded or should it or should not
or whatever why don't we get a zoning let's right now right now you're giving me you're giving us and and I understand you didn't want to you know go in too much you give us a septic design plan which is what you got in front of us so I would say go to the building
inspector get you might want to maybe create a different plan uh that is showing the roadway and everything in a little bit better detail and get his opinion and if if he says he's got to he's got to decide the
building inspector is a zoning enforcement official and Victoria is correct it's got to go to his office first and if he feels because of the definition of street or way in the bylaw that it needs to be flipped back to the planning board
for a determination of adequate of sufficient roadway construction to provide Frontage for that lot then that's what you guys have got to do but is the zoning enforcement officials call as to whether that needs to be done or not go she's absolutely 100% correct on
that and I'm not going to I again I'm not going to tell the zoning enforcement official anything at this point until he refers it to us that's me no I agree uh go to the building inspector get his get his view
on it and then what he says will either determine whether it comes back to us or not yep so if he takes this is adequate for sufficient with the grade if he's okay with this it's still going to come in front of us after again
it is the building and it is the zoning enforcement officials prerogative to interpret the bylaw and that definition and refer it to the playing board if he looks at it that it needs to be
referred to us Victor I think that's I thought that's why I was here but to get an opinion before I submitted it formally well you are getting an opinion you are I thought we already did that part okay thought somebody already brought it in front of not trying to give him a really not I
mean but the problem is we're we're on TV we can't say one I I don't feel right saying one thing to you and something to the next guy that comes and and we had a brief we're going to have to have a
formal meeting of the board to discuss what to do with all these unconstructed streets there are dozens if not aund or better out there and there are hundreds of lots on unconstructed streets so I I again my
opinion I think it behooves us to have a meeting and set up go to the building inspector a little more of a see if he approves the the frontage if he approves the frontage you're going to have to come back to us about the uh roadway uh in the improvements in the improvements
but get his opinion on whether he thinks you have Frontage on that road or not it starts with him starts with him and then what he tells you to do you'll end up coming back to us but I mean yeah you came for an opinion we're not going to give you a yes you can do this no you
can't go go go go to the building inspector you've got some you've got some uh good feedback from everybody sure go see the building inspector pick his brain and see what he says and then he might kick you back to us we're not going to act on it unless
we get a we get a some a letter or something from the building inspector that says we have to make that decision underneath the zoning byock understood thank you thank you you can you you can take you can
bring it back to us when you come back you I I just if you want this is down here we're we're in an open meeting now can can we set a meeting to
discuss construction on unconstructed streets is that doesn't that intertwine with the whole paper Street policy that's on on the agenda yeah it's all it's all one and the same yeah of course yeah but I I'd like to to set up again
it's up to the chairman and the rest of the board but you want to make it like an open uh public if we're going to sit together it has to be a public meeting it can be a public meeting and that can be the only thing on the agenda but I to
for us to legally discuss it and make any decisions about it it on the agenda for tonight what's that it is on the agenda for tonight to start discussing it so I would say Let's uh let's look at your your handout and uh I would I'm not
prepared to go over it tonight we can we can we can put it on for the next meeting and and go over what um this this other Town's bylaw uh go through this and we can all get our you know heads stuck on on on making notes on
questions we want to ask and then we can put it on the agenda for next meeting put it at the end for a uh good uh uh and and and Peter is not here we don't have a full board either so uh hopefully we can get a full board the next week
and um we get the solar bylaw too so there not going to be a single thing it's a that's what next meeting is the 20th and that's what we're doing that's when we're doing the solo thing we he Rick has had asked to do a meeting just specifically well or just set aside some
time it can be at a regular meeting but you know there's have to be a for the solar byar amendment is that what you're asking for we need at the next meeting what do we need to do at the next meeting in terms of I'm kind of I'm confused on
what you want what you're asking it was postpone I thought the U U Middle Road was postponed till the 20th yes yes correct so and Rick had mentioned doing this just dedicating a meeting to this discussion I don't know if we got to dedicate you know have a have a meeting
at least a second you know a fair amount of time yeah that's I mean we have hours after we we can do we can do Middle Road first thing next meeting and we can spend the next how many hours you want discussing
it after that it's up to it's up to you but we'll put it on the next agenda my attention span only lasts for about a half hour we'll put it on the next agenda to uh go over the pav Street policy okay uh in depth sounds good thank you all right that
was fruitful all right moving on uh discussion of zoning map update okay so do you want me to just run through the next kind of four sh through all right sounds good all right so for this item so as you recall we did submit an article to to update the
zoning map to reflect past approved changes at town meeting some of those changes include um a flood plane overl District basically mirrors like FEMA's flood maps um and then there was also you know some rezoning on Bradford Street that was not included and there
may be a a potential a coup a couple other areas um that were not included I'm just waiting for a little bit more information from our town clerk's office and then once I have that I'll send over send it over to the NA national buzs B sua program and they will actually revise our zoning map for free at no
cost to the town so we should have that um later this month um and then we'll also just like the other two articles will also hold a public hearing on this I was thinking we could do the second April meeting if that's you know um good
with the board um does anybody have any questions on that article or that Z map update okay all right yeah that one's pretty straightforward um so item number c disc on removal of accessory apartment bylaw and references so I have that um
list of changes attached in your packet basically what I did was I went through the zoning bylaw and I you know searched accessory apartment and all the reference that came up were essentially um put a strike through on it so I have to have that list attached and on file
with the town clerk's office for anyone that reads that warrant um when it's finalized they can go um look at the list of changes so any questions on that it's on your fourth or fifth page in your booklet it's a page she's got here that's basically just about everything
except this paragraph is shrien so you to me it's straightforward iold is what we have to do it's it's literally just removing those references um no nothing added um okay and that brings us to item number D a little bit bigger of an item
solar bylaw Amendment so I did include the the current solar bylaw in your packet um I know not everyone may have had a chance to make comments on it yet so I was thinking I have my own comments I'm more than happy to send that out to the board um just my thoughts on it um and
then maybe for the next meeting if you guys have any other comments we can kind of incorporate them just just email it would be great for for me yeah it's you you'd want it you want it emailed on top of your packet cuz it's in there it's in here it's in the and it was emailed but
it's come in the package so I canem separate attachment and then you can you can read through it make your little comments next to where you want whatever you want added or changed to this uh the solar bylaw and then we can hit it all in one shot y so at least you have it
all in right you all have it in writing and and Victoria will email it to your I'm I'm still antique I I usually will print it out and I with the I sit there with the highlighter and it's right there in front of you now you can do it save you up ink I would um like to
recommend if if if the board is is favorable to this um once the board you know incorporates you know your comments then maybe sending it out you know to the to the Departments to let them know hey we're we're taking a look at this you know just to see if they have any feedback I know in particular the
Conservation Commission does want to take a look at it um so yeah that's fine okay definitely send it out to them see what they have if they have any feedback yeah just's office every yeah I'll send it to all they're going to go through it anyway even after put stff
so um I I do have just if you could do one little piece of homework for me is just fig find out when subdivision control uh took effect in this town I
want to say 62 but I it would be nice to know okay I will take I will look into that because I think that that might make a difference p in the pink book I don't know we that my mind's pink anyway my subdivision control book no I just want
what happens is when we get into the discussion of paper streets I think there may be a distinction between pre yeah pre- subdivision control and posts subdivision control because pre- subdivision control you're dealing with a lot of these old old
layouts that were done in the early 1900s and I think that's a different case from something that might have been approved under uh subdivision control uh after 62 okay so hopefully the streets are
either built or there's construction standards to build the streets in whatever the subdivision approval was I mean 62 so I would been 9 years old so I can't I can't tell
you I've got no uh history on that one and I know you brought that the year up in the past about subdivision between 62 who knows and for some reason that number sticks in my mind but um and and again as part of that
discussion uh I I might ask I might think about asking Town Council what the planning boards uh jurisdiction is on all these old unbuilt subdivision
streets I we had we got it once before but I don't remember how many years ago it was and what it was in relation to but okay okay this is so we're going to discuss so on the
next meeting let's put some time aside at the very end to discuss the solar bylaw Amendment and the paper Street policy okay and I mean it's on the agenda tonight if there's anything else you want to say or bring up regarding the
paper Street policy now is the time to do it we can you know bring up whatever thoughts you may have uh to give Food For Thought for the others y we can't we know we we don't have the authority to we don't have the authority
to delete a paper street right no that's another that's another whole legal you don't we don't have that we don't have the authority so we know that that's done we cannot delete or eliminate a paper Street that's land
court has to do that there's a the Selectmen have got to put it on the town warrant it's got to there's a whole procedure I forget what it for what it is it's a whole page of the different steps you have to go through to legally
abandoned abandon the street an un develop paper Street uh that includes that too okay yeah all right so we got we know that that's you know cut and dry as far as the sports concern um we also got to think about when somebody comes
in and there's a paper Street there somebody lives here somebody lives here who has rights to what and who doesn't it's a it's a it's easy it's easier to administrate something that's got a clear-cut policy behind it absolutely
you know that's that's really where I'm headed yeah and uh you know if we've had the meetings and we've had the discussion then we don't end up yeah rediscussed these things right and you're right now that
uh land is becoming scarce and now that this new law that just came down from the state I think that's going to be coming in front of us a lot more I yeah and and I'm not sure that I really understand what the all the
ramifications of that recent change to the state BW are going to be I know K I don't know if this is helpful KP law when it came out they did send out a memo to towns about that so I can find that and send it out if you could send
it if you could email that out again if you can find it that would be great no I definitely have it I'll re-email that just because I know it's been a while since the law took effect to when we're actually seeing it um so I'll send that I mean most most of my stuff on zoning goes back be as a minimum 15 to 20 years
you know at 20 years ago I was really active with this stuff as a matter of fact I would have had the the ability to call up one of the zoning attorneys that were working for my company at the time and just ask them the question over the phone but I do not have that ability
anymore and I don't have that close uh close a knowledge of how things have changed through the years all of these laws get Modified by court cases uh on a continuous
basis so it's not just how the law reads it's how it's been interpreted by the courts okay so we got to come up with you know we should all come up with some questions on what if this happens what if somebody comes in what of questions
there you go what questions what if Y what if somebody comes in with this question what if somebody comes in with this kind of you know situation what if somebody comes in with that kind of situation we have to have if we pick 20 someone's going to come up with 21
absolutely but at least if we pick 20 at least it it takes away 60 or 70% of yeah no we're definitely we're not going to get them all that's for sure just like this this the solar bylaw we we spent a lot of time on it but I knew that we
weren't going to get everything you know 100% and that's what we're going to do now is we're going to look over and fine tune it you get more insight when you start trying to apply it yeah but we'll fine-tune the solar bylaw and and go through it do you know highlight your questions on what you think might should
be added or changed and come up with some what if questions on uh on paper streets and um whatever we can't answer or come to a conclusion on as a board then we run it up the flag poll to Town Council on what we can and cannot do on some of these what if questions MH and
uh and then come up with uh again this the the that's not going to make the spring uh meeting but this is something that we can start working on now to get on the fall meeting it may not even you know through the discussion too it may not even something you want in the bylaw it could be like Rick suggested an
amendment to the subdivision rules and regulations it could be a separate like like long medal the example I gave you is a separate rules and regulations from that so in um like Rick was saying it does take a public hearing um but that wouldn't have to go to town meeting that
way too if there are things that you want to wave you know like the width or anything like that it's a lot easier to wave it um you know from rules and regulations than a bylaw so what happens with that they the planing board's going to adopt whatever we come up with is that is that the procedure for that even
though you you write something up but there's a procedure to get it Incorporated legally into the subdivision control uh document in town and there's another procedure to go through if it needs to go to town meeting and actually change the zoning
bylaw correct two different things if we were changing the zoning bylaw it be a similar process to what we're doing with the other ones right we submit the article we discuss language hold a public hearing then it goes to town meeting for the voters if it's rules and regulations it would be um you know
discussion public hearing and then adopt the board would adopt it and it would have to get sent to the registry as well in ch's office to be easier I like that one yeah it is easier yeah okay okay sounds good we got a path
forward all right uh ABCDE we're good with that uh nothing new came in in the last 48 hours that we know of all right our next meeting is Thursday March 20th 2025 anybody want to bring up anything else motion to close got a motion second
all in favor all right hi good night thank you for