[Music] welcome everybody to the February 20th meeting of the Planning
Commission the chairman is not here this evening so I'm sitting in we could have uh the members introduce themselves um Victoria alaro Town
planner Peter Gua member Steve member Rick Ellis Vice chairman Bri damps member so okay there is a zoom meeting this is a zoom uh meeting tonight because there
is a public hearing scheduled uh we can't uh we're not going to open that just yet there we go oh welcome okay motion to open the meeting move second all in favor I we're now
formally opened um we again we we discuss the chairman not being here uh let's look at the minutes for February 6 I cannot vote on them because I was not
present have your gentlemen had a chance to look over the me minutes yes I'll make a I'll make a motion to accept the minutes from February 2nd 2025 um as written I'll second that all
in favor I I Iain okay um that being done I would like to open the public hearing for 211 Middle Road U site plan review and special permit for the solar array
um I have a motion to open the public hearing motion to open the public hearing I'll second that all in favor I I this will be a quick one uh the applicant has requested that we post that we extend the Mee meeting to our
next one at March 6 2025 they are not ready at this time to continue the process so this public do I have a I make a motion to continue the public hearing to March 6 2025 at 6:00
at the board of selectman's meeting room in over Zoom a second all in favor hi hi okay now we have a motion to close the public hearing for two to close you know we the continuance is perfect it
okay thanks all right that leads us into the approval not required plans Beacon Street map 15 lot 246 and 243 applicant owner Robert Baptist do you mind if I say something
about this um so the representative and the owner are not here tonight they did call my office office um and say that they wanted to continue this to the next meeting um they might revise the plan um because we heard back from Town Council on this one this was the one from last
meeting just to recap that um we weren't sure if the planning board had the authority to discontinue the way um or the paper street so it went to Town Council they reviewed it and said the planning board does not have the authority to do that so the applicant May revise the plan and remove the
references to discontinuing the way and the according to Town Council we can still endorse the plan but not discontinue the way so they said he would have to go to land court so he just asked if we could continue that so he can sort of decide what he wants to do will they still be going with a not
buildable LW on that one particular yes they should still put that wording on there I made sure they knew y yep okay um that being [Music] said motion to allow the applicant to
refile on uh our next meeting of March 6 is that the one that he wants to come to yeah to continue to okay so yeah I don't know it's kind of that's kind of an interesting question a former a plan uh you know we're actually supposed to
act on it I believe within 21 days after it's been submitted to the town and within I mean at this point the applicant I would I would have to I would have to say the applicant really should withdraw the plan and then
reapply yes I I did let him know that was an option um but he just asked if we could continue it um um that's a I would say at this point I would
entertain a motion for the withdrawal of the plan uh that was formally submitted uh to be resubmitted when revised at a future date March 6 is when he says he's going to come in or he's not quite
sure he's not quite sure okay well then let's just cons I would I would say let's consider it as withdrawn the form a with withdrawn uh and then he can reapply you know no more fees no more paperwork none of that stuff but just reapply that'll
keep us legally uh within what we're supposed to do I don't know if we can even continue it to tell you the truth technically it's not a public hearing so you wouldn't need a form a motion I do know you are supposed to act we supposed to act on it that's why so I I would I would I would consider that the action
is to uh consider the plan uh not uh not submitted at this point okay to be resubmitted at a future date when revisions are made on the plan at the request of the applicant are you making a motion on that no I I I
would say I would entertain a motion uh to you know I don't want to deny it you know I mean technically we're supposed to either deny it or approve it corre and if we deny it we're let's entertain a
motion to deny the plan as submitted uh waiting reapplication of the plan at a future date so I entertain a motion to deny the plan as
submitted to deny the plan has submitted second I'll second it all in favor I I and again just let the applicant know that you know when he's ready to resubmit just bring the paperwork in again and if he's revising the plan
submit the revised plan right and we'll wage the fee that was agreed upon okay okay all right approval not required 16 morses Lane map 18 lot 67 and 67b applicant Ben
Reese Mr ree um well what's the intention of this plan yes the intention of this plan is an anr subdivision pursued went to section 81 L the existing structures exemption um and we've got two
structures on the property that were in existence prior to subdivision control law uh dating back to one of them is 1725 and the other is 1900 and so we're looking to create this an anr to split those two pieces of
property each onto their own land um there's a couple of small remainder pieces here that would get left over uh I believe Victoria said that Town Council did have a chance to take a look at this plan correct would you like in the sure yeah so Town Council did look
at this CU I wasn't familiar with that exemption myself um and they did say that the planning board should endorse the plan but it doesn't exempt the properties from any zoning violations so I did let Mr ree know that as well as the building commission yeah I mean that
that's kind of standard endorsement of a formate plan does not constitute any uh zoning right uh permission to build or not build anything right this is the old Victor's property isn't it yes okay
that's uh that was his uh sheet Mill shed in the back yes that's what I've been told at one point yeah it hasn't been that for a long long time what's the what's the idea with parcel a yeah I was going to ask the same stuck out there in the back of nowhere yes so
parcel a this a budding neighbor here Tyler and Jessica maggle expressed interest in this parcel a because the current lot line so their dwelling is up here you can see just on the edge of the plan and they would really like to add this section to their existing property
to kind of square it off a little bit um because right now it really it jogs back in and then comes down they'd like to basically just add to their yard mhm other than other than the non-buildable lot there's one other lot being created by this plan lot D yes lot
D which is a conforming lot by by all metrics of the chrisna own by comments from rest of the members let see lot is already existing right that's a new lot isn't it loty is a new lot yes yes with an existing
building on it with an existing building on it okay it's cuz uh there are obviously some some zoning issues with that yeah um I don't know how that how long that structure has
been there that existing Barn so the town Assessor's card has it about 1900 is what it says I found it on a map from 1895 well that would that would
constitute a structure in existence before subdivision control came into this town just by a couple of years so you are as far as I understand you are entitled to divide it under that
Proviso um in terms of what that does for zoning I mean it becomes immediately a pre-existing or it becomes a non-conforming use yes so any change to
anything on that apartment SL shed whatever it is today uh would have to go before the CPA yes comments anyone else speaker you all set yeah I think I'm
entertain a motion to endorse the plan as submitted I make a motion to uh endorse the plan as submitt I'll second it all in favor all all I okay what's sign
way thank gentl wa and then you'll just have to take it to the registry and record it within 30 days okay I'll take you tomorrow perfect [Music] look like we just got one sign all of these right
no just the one copy just the one cof thank you all right thank you guys if you could just provide my office of proof recording you with you yeah or a copy of the receipt that shows the book and Page either way okay thank you so
much and then next one the agenda is an approval not required for zero Lamberg and lton Street m 18 Lots 128 and 136 applicant owner DK [Music]
Adams good evening to the board apologize for my appearance I'm uh little slow getting around these days um attorney ma long here on behalf of the applicant uh and also on behalf of John romanelli the engineer that designed the plan um this is under the new Reg ation
that was passed in the fall of last year um I believe there should be a citation noted on the plan it is under the uh acts of 2024 um approval not required as per uh
Master General Law chapter 4A section 6 as amended by chapter 150 of the acts of 2024 section 10 um the amendment itself states that uh the chapter 6 of the section I'm sorry section six of chapter
48 has been amended um and it reads as follows adjacent Lots under common ownership shall not be treated as a single lot for zoning purposes if at the time of recording or endorsement the Lots conform to the then existing requirements of area Frontage withth
yard or depth where each such lot has not less than 10,000 ft of area and 75 ft of Frontage and are located in a zoning District that allows for single family residential use uh any residential structure anything constructed on said lot shall not exceed
18850 ft of heated living area and shall contain not less than three bedrooms and shall not be used as seasonal home or short-term rental this was under the most recent um new law in order to encourage housing and on uh in
Massachusetts so it classifies as a form a here with the three lots because the three lots have been in existence prior to subdivision control similarly to Mr Reese's plan um it's just under a different section of uh the new law and
they all meet the zoning requirements they have over 10,000 square ft they meet over the uh Frontage and therefore this is a form a anr the um has Town Council looked at this one
by any chance um Town Council did not look at get this one I was told by John that Town Council did weigh in on this as well and stated that it was on this one I I thought so John had told me that he looked at the 16 more siine one I don't believe Town Council looked at
this one but I am my my only question on this one is you know I all of these Lots there's no Road constructed for the frontage on any of these Lots so I know so is it is it Frontage oh that's your question well I
think um they went to see the Building Commissioner well I want to speak do you want to you went to see the Building Commissioner if you want to yeah no that so basically what it was is there was never a discussion of whether or not the frontage qualified it was more that the layout for lotton Street had never been
continued and as a result merger had uh taken effect is what you know Mr paba had had argued but then after talking with Andy he brought no concerns regarding Frontage after I explained to him that we were going to be going this route under the new law he stated that
as long as we put them on a plan stamped by the planning board with the citation to the new law that he'd have no problem with it and that all was well and I had that discussion with him just last week I mean the reason the reason I asked that is usually when there's an unconstructed Road it comes to the
planning board for determination whether the road uh provides adequate access to the Lots in question uh I mean in a in a typical subdivision a modern subdivision you presuppose you are
presupposed that you already have adequate access because there are guarantees in in place to guarantee the construction of the road in this case there's no there's no Road um I well the road isn't ex was in existence prior to
zoning as well both Lambert Street and Lawton Street are shown on plans dating back to the early 1900s as he comes a paper Street and then underneath our zoning bylaw you have to show that you have Frontage on a street or away that
is adequate to provide access to those lots I'm I'm not I in terms of whether they're entitled to be separate Lots or not I don't have a question about that okay you know obviously that's that's not a problem but in terms of getting a building
permit to put buildings on this I I think there may be an additional step that you have to go through yeah if I could speak to that a little bit I did I did speak with Mr Adams the property owner when he dropped this off and I did let him know that um because planning also has to review like new construction
when they come in um and I did let him know if it's him or a new property owner if he sells a property that they will have to come before the planning board again like with the other paper streets um to request um to improve the way and for us to determine for the planning board to deter if it's adequate access
and grade and okay and the building inspector aware of that correct okay you're not done yet so I guess the question it's a and and I'm I'm not trying I'm not trying to single you out this is not this is not a unique situation in this town in many
towns in Massachusetts right now we're undergo I I deal with this Westport Dartmouth it's very common especially with a kushit where we're so close to New Bedford there were a lot of these old subdivisions uh that are on paper if you
will but uh Street's not constructed Ian what we're saying is when permit would be given for the law after that's when the road would have to be brought up to standard the building inspectors not really supposed to issue that's I'm no guarantee here that this road will be
brought up to his end I I want to speak for the Building Commissioner but I do not he I do not think he would give a permit when there's no roadway the roadway would have to be done first and me and the Building Commissioner we've talked about paper streets before so just like like he referred this one to us I know if he does see it come in he
would refer to the planning board for the if we could just uh I mean I again I don't have a problem signing the plan but if we could give the Building Commissioner a a note from the planning board that you know prior to issuance of any building permit on these three lots
uh that the applicant uh will need to come back okay to tell us what he does what he intends to do to improve the streets to provide uh the frontage as required by the
zoning bylaw so is anybody else reviewed this to say that these two lots were in existence over here we get nothing all we get is you the lines get nothing to compare this to show that the dimensions of these
Lots the Lots themselves the Lots original original subdivision it was I in my as far as I'm aware they the town had combined them all into two at one point prior to that they were three and if you
go all the way back to the early 1900s they were like paper uh postage stamp Lots so they still even even at that point you still have a grouping that are even if you take the grouping they still meet the requirement as long as they're over 10,000 sare ft with 75 ft of
Frontage M this is is there sewer and water available up there that I don't know directly yes sewer and water is I actually have another plan that shows that sorry I just that's I actually have the um original
plan from 1922 my great great grandparents developed all that property I actually have the blueprint that's actually blue um and it shows lot it was actually it's actually 12 Lots from back in 19 I do
so so now this lot 128 just picking this one out just for an example that is that a combination of lots that was shown on oral2 from the 1922 plan yes I have a picture of that that's all
right I can but there's there's a bunch of them in town yeah I was just happy to find it actually and I I thought that was pretty I believe John romanelli had gone in and actually spoke with the town clerk when we originally started this because we were before the new law and everything came
into effect we had had a discussion about it um and finding the paper Road and whether or not it had been accepted and whatnot so it's all shown well well back but you know the actual we have a lot of unaccepted streets Town yeah a a
lot of towns do yeah I know I'm I'm a West border and we have quite a few that are very comparable to this but you know fortunately this is just a small piece we have you know 2,000 foot stretches of roadway not done anything
with um board members anything motion to sign the plan is submitted uh along with u a note to the building inspector that before he issues a building permit that this needs to come
back to the planning board for uh discussion of improvement of the roads that service these Lads so moved okay second all in favor I I okay thank you to the board good
luck you want to wait for the M yeah please who made that last motion was Steve who made that last motion still moved by and then if you want to sign one copy of the paper plan that's
he got one up there we only need to sign one paper question question question people got that it'll that's probably going to take a little bit of time one Circ sorry is this not this need go back
to right yes the say it again actually it's it's point the registry of deeds is it's new configuration right yes [Applause] okay so that that exact plan will go on
record yes registry and who who back what is it BR rece yeah or email to me or a copy of the plan recording block order okay thank you guys thank you to the board okay have a
great night evening discussion and vote on war what's what's have a good night I'll see you change oh way back in the subdivision what's being revised Zing that yes so I don't have the full list
um in P Pam's office she has someone uh going back through past Town meetings for her own records to to log things um and as they're doing that um they're you know pulling out the zoning ones past ones that have been approved but not added to the map so Bradford Street is
one example um that was recently rezon but not reflected on our zoning map which when you typically when you do a zoning change um you should kind of have those articles one after the other so at town meeting when that gets approved you should also change the zoning map um I believe
um I heard there may have been some sort of historical district that has been previously approved and not added to the map as well I'm not sure what else there could be um but once I have that final list um I can of course send it to the board and then the same um group that
did the meeting um did the meeting did the zoning map in 2015 was the national um Estuary program from Buzzard's Bay um they will update our zoning map for free I did contact them they said that's a free service that they offer um so we don't have to pay anything for that so
she said um you know once I have um you know the information to send it over and they'll get that updated probably sometime late March so it'll be in plenty of time for a town meeting which is June 2nd [Music] okay did you want me to run through the
other two articles or you you want to make motions on them separately we should probably vot on them separately okay we have a go out of a public meeting what's that are we still in a public meeting or whatever no well I mean we're we're in a public
meeting but it's not a public hearing public hearing yeah no no okay yeah yeah we're good on that okay thank you we will need to hold a public hearing for the zoning map any zoning changes we'll need to hearing okay so there's really just that's just a discussion for the
first one right zoning map update because we've got nothing to um well what I would request of the board um is to vote um to submit all three articles to the to the board Selectmen for for town meeting okay so
you can do it separate motions if you like no we can we can do them all three it's just to refer it to the selectman um yes I take it that zoing bylaw solar bylaw Amendment that's the one that that's the big one the big change what's the amendment to the solar
bylaw so yeah so this came up I believe this was at the last meeting the board had discussed it um so there was some confusion as to where the setback was being measured from um was it the fence line was it the edge of the solar panel
um some could argue it's anything involved in the installation like drainage even the burm so that's what we have heard so we um the board had expressed wanting to clarify that and I do want to mention something that came up when I was speaking with our peer riewer for for another project um he
mentioned that the security fence that is required um it's not specified what type of fence um so he said typically a chain link fence is really the most secure um you know some people might try to propose like a cattle fence or
anything Steve did you want to no um don't with you or not I'm glad that came up because that's was an issue that was just a recent issue we just had over Robinson row they just they didn't use chaming fence they use that just that square yeah I mean originally I mean
wait way back on some of the earlier ones they said that the electrical code required a secure fence around the solar array um I I don't think they a cattle fence is quite all that secure no right you can you can go in between the power
Wier exactly y or put some gloves on so we also had well we went through is welded y thing that I is that separate from the visual fence the security fence yes yes so Security Fence is what encloses the array and anything with
screening is completely separate okay that's I just want to clarify that yeah of course and then of course the removal of this accessory apartment bylaw which is kind of then Sur plant the state is now basically
said are telling us what we have to have for apartment correct it's not valid anyways so why leave it in to cause confusion all right um Lang entertain a motion to refer the zoning map update to removal of the accessory apartment by
law and references and the solar by law Amendment to the select for inclusion on the warrant at the next uh at the annual town meeting I guess right M yes okay let still one further question just just
clarification so the the the changes going to come before us there's nothing I'm looking at this oh absolutely this is this is just to submit the Articles and then we'll have our next few meetings will'll be discussions then eventually the public hearing once we have language we're comfortable
with so those are just to get these it's just it's just to get correct the deadline's tomorrow okay I didn't want to miss it um made the motion and so moved okay
second second all in favor I I that one discussion and vote on proposed Federal year 26 budget um we have any anything from the
finance committee about what we should or shouldn't do 10 10% cut do we have to go see Elon Musk you know I mean I they haven't said anything to me I do know they did request um our department to go to their fcom meeting which was
supposed to be next week but it has been rescheduled to March 12th um I did meet with the Town Administrator about this budget um and we're both in agreement on it okay um it's level funded the only thing all the like office expenses all
the expenses have remain the same and the only thing that changed were the salary line items we had a separate line item for a researcher so that has been most of it has been looped into the regular uh clerical line item and then the town planner line line item has a
slight increase okay Mark did uh review this as well okay um ahead of this meeting so again there's there's really no do we do we have a budget to vote on yes it's in the
okay last page the CL shall that is u b Time full time that's still part-time here the uh increase due to um contractual for the senior clerk for the senior clerk no um no it just says
clerical that's all it says oh yeah clerical so for the clerical line the the funds from the researcher line item was moved into that line so it's I mean in effect it's it level funds though correct
we I mean for all intents and purposes this is the same budget number that we've had for 2024 and 2025 so just a continuation of that for is there a motion from the
board you ready are you ready Steve are you still just you still digesting it I'll make a motion are you all Steve yeah I'll make a motion that we uh accept the proposed budg budget for fiscal year 2026 second
second second all in favor that's that uh any update on the master plan yeah just a small one so we had our MPC meeting um mine committee meeting last week on the 13th um so we had our our full me full
board all 12 members we had some some members from historical commission some from bik and Ted um so I think overall was a productive discussion um we also did an engagement session um on that Saturday on the 15th at Duncan we had
some information out um we had some information with boards passed out some surveys um and did speak to a few residents and business owners in town um and then we have our next master plan committee meeting on March 13th um the
location is to be determined but it will most likely be at the police station again um I think the COA has a reoccurring meeting on Thursday so they're going to be booked for the whole year um yeah and then we have our our surveys that we we're trying to push out
so if anyone wants to go to the um surfed aush master plan website the our master plan survey and our open space survey are right on the front page so if you guys haven't taken that yeah I would encourage you to do so um and yeah so if anyone has any questions or if our other
members who are at the embassy meeting want to speak to it feel free under under other business seems like we're getting more of we've got a a lot more Lots than that are on the fringes of the constructed
ways in town um when the whole board is here um I I think there should be a discussion amongst us so that whatever happens it's consistent from here going forward I
agree you know I mean granted that I mean some of them there's going to they're going to need some unique interpretations but I think in general we should have an idea what we're looking for in terms of improving these lots that are beyond the
constructed roads within you know the particularly these older subdivisions you know I I it would be better for the consultant it would be better for the owners it would be better
for probably the assessors also uh to have some even if it's a very loose thing some kind of policy or some kind of direction that we're headed in in those situations um that's just my opinion um
but I I'd like to see some time set aside for discussion of improvement of preexisting uh subdivision layouts let me put it that's probably the best way to put
it okay so if we could put that some spit that in for the next agenda I like all the board members to be present and the the chairman uh included no I think that's a great idea I do get a lot of questions about you know paper streets or ways in existence prior subdivis I
mean you know or subdivision roads that were approved but not constructed so I get a lot of questions about what the board wants to see that sort of thing um so I think that would be extremely helpful not just for the staff I mean for staff and for applicants yeah you
know the uh one thing to keep in mind is there are some unique subdivisions in town uh one of them way of this there are several places that subdivisions
have been created and lots created back in the late or the early 1900s uh as kind of overflow from uh the city of New Bedford uh there's one subdivision in particular that has no
legal access to it and there's a number of houses on it right now so you know that that one is has some unique uh considerations you know in terms of uh what's going to be required for
improvements of Roads if there's if there's no legal way to get to the subdivision uh is there adequate access to that subdivision uh to provide Frontage for for Lots even if those lots
show on an Old Road you an an Old Road yep uh out in back of where I am up up Wood Road and Caravan way there's a lot of lots back there that uh don't have roads built and you know obviously up on
the south end of town you know all of those old subdivisions basically they built as far as they they thought they could sell houses on and then stop the roadway construction on those old subdivisions
so that's another consideration to make um and and I I think we need to talk about it as a board that's all that's all I'm asking right now yeah okay yeah and actually educate us a little bit more especially especially with this new
this new law that's gone gone into place well we still as as far as I know the town until the state takes this takes that away the town has a right to
regulate access under our zoning bylaw that's that's my understanding right now unless something has changed recently so that the state uh upser you know usurps all of the authority of the town to regulate access to particularly
these old subdivisions a new subdivision it doesn't matter you know there subdivision standards uh but there are a lot of lots that don't have a road in front of them right now well yeah and it goes I guess it goes back to you know
uh um the road Improvement of what we one we just signed I mean have stopped stopped here stopped here and you had dead space in between I didn't realize that how many Lots do you let extend off
of a dirt road particularly on the south end of town where the lots are so small y you know that's a that that's a that's a uh classic case of regulation of access
to Lots yeah I don't have any I don't have any answer you know what I would suggest is at you at the next at the meeting that is scheduled for uh for discussion there is a town map that
shows where all of these unimproved uh streets are in town I have that in the office okay and but I think that's a good visual to put in front of everybody so uh if there's an even if there's an extra copy that would be even
better because we could Circle areas that are particularly sensitive to that question okay okay y I can prent and I wouldn't I wouldn't mind coming in uh you know before the next meeting and just sit down with the map we can draw some
clouds this area what do we do over here what do we do over here and okay what do we do over there uh Hebert Road there's another question there's another interesting one uh in terms of access there's a bunch of lots off of Hebert
Road that are just on paper streets that are unconstructed that's the one that's off a ke Road off a ke road I was going to say that that's that's really that's really you don't even know you're driving down a road it's that thees that turn the so access
for the houses that are up there actually floods periodically uh usually every year I mean the the it's like a 12 foot wide gravel path that gets flooded over from
time to time so another interesting access question I mean we're we're uh get these new subdivisions that are built with these great roads and and we've got Hebert road that uh the fire department
may not even be able to get to if the roads flooded over yeah and it's narrow now everything's it is it is very narrow now if any if you haven't been down there if you haven't been down there take a ride yeah
it's yeah yeah it say so and those are the ones that stand out to me that the subdivision that's back in the Cranberry Bogs off of uh behind the the whes compound if you will uh that's one the
the lots and back of uh around Caravan way uh and off of wood Road and then Lots off of Hebert Road Ro and then the other major one is the the small Lots off of these old subdivisions in the south end of town there probably I'm sure there are
others but those are the ones that kind of stand out in in my mind as Lots get more and more expensive to purchase in town and hence become more valuable there's going to continue to be more and more and more and more pressure on these
lots that are I'll call them marginal Lots or with lots with marginal streets how about that plus you're able to take these ones that were all combined now and re subdivide them back up to the way they originally were so well I mean now this
the state says if you've got the the lot you can build on what he say was no but what I'm saying is you can you know whereas you had three lots you owned for more than eight years in the town say well that's it these lines dissolved it's all one big lot now now that line
com back that's that's gone also yeah yep so now you know you can re subdivide that back into the three lots it originally was yep as long as a minimum 10,000 s ft right so yeah and and you know at 10,000 square ft you're I
suppose you could put a septic system on the lot but I think you're mostly talking about there still some areas right here in in town that could uh it could happen still over I mean it has I mean it's just you know when when they change the The Village area I mean right
behind the potting waste develop which is behind the church or behind the old gas station those lots were a little postage stamp Lots I think the lot of I'm on was in was like four Lots Y and I only got about 1,600 sare ft total right now I don't even think I know I got like
12200 12,000 Square ft excuse me that's 16,000 12,000 ft and it um toal way lot shaped but that was like three lots at one point in time you at if if you know of
any information from surrounding towns or towns in Massachusetts period that have had to deal with these issues would be interesting to see what other towns may or may not have done in regards to uh these old old ODS okay yeah I mean
back in the early 1900s all you had to do was have a surveyor come up with a plan with Watson streets on it and it got recorded as the registry Deeds that's where that's where all of these things happened the registry presently they won't accept a plan uh with streets
on it that doesn't have or even a division of property that doesn't have a planning board endorsement on it so all right um any other business no thank you our next meeting is March the
6th um motion to close the public meeting I make a motion to close the meeting I'll second it all in favor all right all right
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