##VIDEO ID:-inn7H_npfY## well welcome everyone we had a little bit longer Finance meeting than we thought but a wonderful job by Mr durbon again giving us some direction which I'm sure we'll cover here here very shortly um first thing I look for is the approval of today's agenda so move got a second and a second any discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I and oppose the same sign okay Kim and Angie will not be able to be here tonight but we still have a quorum so we're ready to roll with that um that'll bring us into the study session Mr der B enrollment update thank you chair clot school board members superintendent CRS um so this evening we'll try to go through there's quite a bit of slides um and so I'm going to move as Swift as I can to get through the information but I encourage you to please um pause me if you need a point of uh clarification or if you have any questions this evening um I also provided a print out of all of the charts and graph graphs that you're going to see in the presentation um I know often when they're projected they're it could be uh challenging to see sometimes so you should have them all right uh in front of you and a copy for your yourself as well so um with that um let's jump in this evening um let's see if I can get this clicker to start going with me here sorry Darcy do we have a different clicker up there at all this one's not moving the slides okay Norma Dan do you want to just jump to the first slide for us okay so to begin with this evening um we'd like to just review some definitions to make sure that we're all on the same page as we look at data I think it's really important that we're looking at information through clear eyes and we know what um each piece of information means um especially with School enrollment um so the first one that we like to talk about especially in the school Finance world is our average daily membership this uh is a uh Benchmark that represents the portion of the school year which a student is enrolled so if we have 172 student contact days and they're enrolled with our school district for a 100 of those days you'd simply divide the number of days present by the number of um scheduled student contact days or board approved student contact days and that's your ADM for that individual um so the sum um at the end of the year would be our District's ADM adjusted pupil units is taking that ADM and um taking a multiplier for students that are in grades 7 through 12 uh the multiplier is 1.2 um the rationale being that maybe secondary students may have increased costs um for programming uh versus Elementary um I believe there used to be a a lesser multiplier for kindergarten and prek and that's uh no longer so now a 1.0 for our elementary and 1.2 for secondary uh and then this Apu is used for most of our school funding formulas um and so we won't look at that here uh as much today but know that a lot of times they adjust the number the ADM number by that multiplier before they plug them into the formulas uh for each uh funding mechanism Mars is uh the Minnesota automated reporting student system this is the Minnesota Department of education's primary Reporting System um for student data and for all enrollment counts um and so with that October 1 thank you Darcy October one is the first official count through Mars that we have as a school district um and that calculation um is used for federal revenue and federal e rate um but it also helps us with our projections that we're going to see this evening we can kind of get some endof year estimates based off of that data early on there's some strong correlations and then the last one that I added in here this evening for uh our conversation is what's called migration um migration simply in the terms of enrollment means the movement of students into and out of schools um that could include open enrollment family moves graduation drops what's the reason for students to come in or out of one school to another and we also talk about migration from one school year to the next so um maybe want a class of first graders the next year should be in second grade um are we seeing a loss or gain of students there so we're going to see the term migration come up a few times this evening too tonight uh I've chunked out the presentation into three portions uh historical data a current snapshot of current data and then a projection so we're kind of looking past current future um and hopefully we see a couple slides from each section that tie to each other so when we talk about historical for example kindergarten enrollment we're probably going to look at current kindergarten and Future future kindergarten so this first graph that you see on the screen right now um this is as far back as we had in our records on our ADM here at the school and I thought gave us a pretty good picture of the roller coaster we've been on with enrollment over the last 17 18 years here um we saw um over the last 10 years a nice little increase and then a slight drop off the last uh four years and um we want to look at the trends that we're seeing with our enrollment um but as a school district um going back to 2006 2007 school year um up to today we've been in between that 3100 students and 3500 student uh ADM this chart is provided by our financial advisers at Ellers um what I like about this is you can kind of you can see the elementary K5 in blue grades 6 through eight in Orange and grades 9 through 12 and gray and please remember that our high school includes that eighth grade enrollment so there's a little bit of a a blend there between the orange and gray um but this helps for kind of that conceptualizing Elementary Middle High School one thing to to draw from this chart um you Noti that the secondary enrollment has been fairly stable looking at elementary so these are these are uh U numbers pulled straight from that chart on the previous slide um we see that Elementary enrollment is declining and we'll get to this later in the presentation the bulk of that is our our incoming classes are smaller and we have not yet seen that impact at the middle and high school uh to the extent we have in the elementaries so we start to see a little bit of a dip um from maybe 2020 and on um which correlates back to that District ADM that we were seeing that enrollment decline um one other thing I would like to note is we have four elementary schools so if you want to do some simple calculations averaging what would look like in our elementaries you could just take these numbers divide it by four in theory that's great but we also have District boundaries and what we're starting to see and we'll come back to this a little bit later is that we're getting a little lopsided in a couple of the schools versus others and um it's important to make sure that we're um filling our buildings appropriately so here's the term migration uh the data here is provided by Ellers we built these charts ourselves because we were curious about um a couple of the uh points here so I'm going to note that these uh the column on the far left of this chart where it says the grade levels that means exiting kindergar is the next year going into first grade grade exiting first grade going into second so what we're really looking at is incoming is the grade on the right so in the first line going into first grade over the last five years we've averaged a drop of 4.78% from kindergarten to first grade just year to year so when we looked at this we really two two uh pieces of data really jumped out uh stronger than others one was incoming sixth grade and the other was incoming 11th grade we saw a strong correlation year after year that we got an influx of students incoming in sixth grade and we are losing a lot of students in 11th grade you can uh just by yourself see there's a couple other correlations there um one being that um in let's take a look here at this next slide some takeaways on the migration um those familiar with Albert Lee um might know that some non-public programming would U phase out causing students to potentially enroll with Albert Lee Schools in sixth grade so we saw about 27% of that migration in the sixth grade years um over those years uh come from non-public transferring to public school here in Elbert Le the other 73% though uh was migration from other districts other state or other country so you see there's a lot of movement um and this this snapshot maybe doesn't tell the whole story but maybe we can find some common themes when looking at the migration the other one that we pointed out earlier was the 11th grade migration out where we were losing about 14% of our students at that grade level from 10th to 11th approximately 30% of 11th grade dropouts uh at that time or migration out were due to transfers where they still live in the community but open and roll out or leave for non-public um approximately 40% were due to families relocating and then the 10% of that migration might be due to 15-day drops family circumstances uh Etc and um this is certainly a growth area for the district where we should be looking at this migration and these Trends a little bit more um the sample sizes for these um in in fact um when we look at the 11th grade migration out um we think a lot might be due to online schools and options for students to choose an online provider outside of Albert Lee it's really only about 10 students in total so it's a small enough sample of students where we can start looking at individual scenarios and situations and how why they're choosing what they're choosing so we'll talk about that a little bit later as well so that other type of migration that I mentioned was maybe year to year um where it maybe wasn't due to transfers or something mid year um so what um I want to point out in this slide is that the column on the left the blue represents incoming kindergarten class sizes and this is historical data so going back um to 2016 here in this chart the orange bars represent your graduating senior classes or exiting seniors so if you look at 24 what this represents is that the seniors that graduated in uh the spring and maybe they weren't all graduating but they exited our school system in the spring of 24 the next fall we had had 203 incoming kindergarteners so this is the prior year senior group to the incoming kindergarten class you see right there that's a loss of about 65 students in 24 and you can work and look at each of these bars here to see that each year that we have a larger graduating senior group than incoming kindergarten class there's a a just a natural migration and some of the reports that we see they they use the term natural natural migration when this occurs one other point of emphasis here reminder that when these get plugged into our um funding formulas they often use Apu that adjusted pupil rate and those seniors are a 1.2 or those kindergarteners are a 1.0 and so we see kind of a a compounding Factor um when this happens okay so one last historical chart that I want to provide this evening also from our uh financial advisers at ERS um there's a strong correlation to our October 1 enrollment count that Mars data to our endof year ADM I want to make sure that we're clear about that that seat count is different than ADM and the correlation here between the orange bar which is our October one number okay that's what we were reporting in Mars on October 1st each year the correlation is it's about between 70 and 100 students drop off in ADM by the end of the year and remember how ADM works it's how long students are enrolled in your school so what we're seeing is that we're an ADM loser per se typically On Any Given year where maybe we um we don't have students enrolled for the entire school year but we have movein move outs there's a lot that factors into adms What's significant about this is it does help us project specifically fiscal year 25 end of year enrollment okay we can't we should not use a current seat count to try and determine funding for the end of this year we should try to project what our ADM might look like um and this gives us a strong Trend to do that okay so moving into kind of a report on our current snapshot our students are our community what's happening in Albert Lee that we see with enrollment or impacts enrollment um so this first chart is something that um I have a strong appreciation for Danny Bryant who works in our district office she's our Mars coordinator and um she compiles a weekly report uh and shares that with us and this gives us a snapshot every week of how many students we have enrolled in our district at each grade level so this is up through Monday of last week um I do not have today's data entered um I prepared this before this morning so um up through the 27th we currently had so last week 3,235 um I like to say butts and seats um but we had 3,235 students enrolled uh District 241 as of Monday last week now that does not mean ADM so there's that distinction um we need to make sure that we're projecting what maybe an ADM should look like and we see that normally we have a student loss or ADM loss from that October 1 to end of year so that October one data helps guide us one bright spot in all of this is that we are currently up 27 students on the year where traditionally we would be seeing a drop off there so there's potential uh and we don't like to um you know go outside of um we like to use data that's current and um but we don't have projections based off of January 27th right we don't have a model that does that so we'll see what uh as we get further along the year if we need to adjust when we come back in March for our revised budget or in June for our final budget we have opportunities to adjust our budget if we feel we may see some more Aid based off a student count at that time at this point um it's best probably to wait and see where this number shakes out so just to talk about that projection um this table here shows you specifically what the October 1 data that was reported through Mars is um and then those arrows there kind of showing our we used a sixe average so that drop from October one so back to this chart here we average the last six-year drop and we did it per grade level so it was grade specific what's that attrition that we see um and that six-year average calculated out here a projected end ofe ADM of 3098 our financial advisers used a different model and they came up with the exact same 398 so it gave us confidence in that calculation that it was a pretty good projection based on past data fingers crossed that were still going to come out ahead of that um but um right now that was the projection all right so this slide here um we're beginning to investigate these Trends closer since 2020 we've seen an increase in popularity in online schools I think the co wave uh student a lot of students went online we have an online provider here in Albert Lee that we think is fairly or is a great option but um we see a lot of students may open en roll to a different online option um in fact 18% of the students that open and roll out are going to online we need to dig into this further this is a growth area I think we can get a lot more information about the students that choose to leave or the students that choose Albert Lee in an open enrollment um and so that's something that we're we're starting to collaborate on a little bit closer um we have a little bit of a campaign that we started last year where we send out a a mailer to families that left the district encouraging them to reconsider inviting them back um and this year we're going to add in a little bit of a survey to that to try and determine you know try and get some information if they're willing to share um what the reason is what what drew them to a different school um maybe if had some concerns we need to start listening to those families and see what their rationale is um but we're in the world of school choice and we have a lot of neighbors that are close um a handful there's probably five or six different school districts that families are choosing right around Albert Lee um and same thing we would like to get to the bottom of why there versus Albert Lee um we would like to continue to be the school of choice for our community we think we proud of our schools and think we're doing a good job and um want to listen to families that maybe have some concerns there too so this data um right now you see that um ADM winner and loser right there we see more students open and rolling out than enrolling in and that kind of explains that story of U ADM drop from October 1 to uh end of year so there's uh two slides here uh hopefully we can connect them so one of them uh race of ethnicity or race in ethnicity 2014 snapshot to today in a snapshot and honestly it just arbitrarily picked 10 years just to kind of show how our district is growing or changing um so if you look at 2014 American Indian population in our district was 0.12% or four students Asian population was 2.37% or 78 students uh black or African-American population was 2.43% or 80 students Hispanic or Latino 19.64% or 647 students our white population 73.5 1% or 2422 or two or more race or uh was 1.94% or 64 students and if we look at the 2024 um slide same categories um we see that our district is is changing um American Indian population up to 1.3% that's 44 students Asian population up about 9% to 11.3% that's 378 students um black or African-American population went from 2.43 to 2.8% Hispanic Latino from um 19.6% up to 20 4.2 so we're seeing an increase in population there and a significant decrease in our white student population to 57% U just a short comment there too um we don't know um who are document documented immigrants population necessarily are um by snapshots like this and we don't know what's going to come with um some of our maybe National uncertainty or federal uncertainty National politics so um as we see the demographics changing in our district um there's some population that may be sensitive to some of the changes that we're seeing too couple takeaways couple items of note here as well um our district over the last 10 years has increased uh success coach support uh we've been adap as these changes are occurring to try and make sure we have the supports necessary for our student body um and we're implementing strategies to meet needs of the diverse population next two charts same thing 2014 to 2024 um these will show our free reduced population English learner population uh special education population and homeless population so um what we see here um in 2014 our English learner population was 261 students here about 7.92% um our special services population is about 662 students or 20.09.2011 population increased to 11.6% or 386 students so that's a large increase in our English learner population our special services population 20.9% so slight increase put 698 students to a larger student count free reduced price meals 234 which is 60.9% so that was an increase as well by almost 10% our homeless population increased to 29 so we went from four students identified as homeless to 29 that identified as homeless and one thing that we were discussing earlier um executive director Franks and myself that potentially identifying these students better um and our social workers are doing a better job identifying and knowing what services we can provide if they're identified as homeless so that could explain that increase um so the other um main one here the the largest um impact to our schools is that English L English learner population increase um there's some funding tied to that as well um for those programs um and so we're seeing an increase there some takeaways yeah so our our options there have been some uh ways to use compensatory funding to offset some of those costs that um like superintendent cren mentioned is not fully funded so that excess cost um we've got a couple options and it can be cross subsidy to the general fund or if there's a way to use compensatory funds in some of those cases to meet those needs then uh and it's appropriate we could do that um but um there is some fund fing changes coming for the next year where we're most likely going to want to try and keep that in the general fund um for some refunding that would come from the state for that excess cost okay um so now I'm going to pull a couple uh charts that come from a graphic out of the Minnesota employment Economic Development County profile so these are just on the um Minnesota Department of um employment economics on their website uh if anybody's looking for the full report um so this first chart um just shows that we are seeing a natural decrease in our population so on this chart in The Orange Box here it says natural increase but notice is a negative 278 that's noting that we had 1,299 deaths in our County compared to 1,21 births this is over a three-year span 2020 to 23 and so with that in either moves in or out we're seeing a total population decline in Freeborn County we're also seeing a growing population of foreign born residents this correlates to the changes we're seeing in our school populations so this is another chart that's kind of interesting to see and in this green box it kind of says it best we have a smaller percentage of foreign born residents compared to um the state but we're seeing an increase that's faster than the Statewide increase so I had a brief conversation uh last week with Philip Johnson who's the executive director of Albert Le's Economic Development agency or Alita um and I was curious about jobs and growth of the community and um he steered me towards the number one priority he said of albertly Economic Development agency right now but also um other community agencies is housing um and his goal he said is to see 500 new units at a minimum in the next five years ranging in all types of housing um um noted the lack of housing in the community for the last 20 years there's been a few smaller developments few homes being built but not there hasn't been a large influx of housing opportunities for for people to move to the community um and he believed that we're in a good place with job opportunities he mentioned the oat Mill coming in April um he said 15 jobs could turn into more um but also some recent industry design ready controls some other industry that came to the community that are looking to add shifts and so optimistic about the opportunity for growth and he thinks the housing will drive population growth I'll mention a little note about housing a little bit here when we talk forecast as well so third phase here um three of three so now shifting to a forecast um in a disclaimer here these are forecasts these are estimates based on Trends and data that we're seeing so it it's something we should be doing annually uh maybe more frequently um this could change a year from now and we might see an uptick somewhere and so we just need to stay on top of forecasts as we use them um they're just a tool that just that um and we need to reflect on them every year um kind of the note about potential that we might see an enrollment surprise this year um that could be a good thing but the forecast didn't show that right so um just staying grounded in the fact that these are just estimates so um this first slide here the gray grade out columns to the right so the four years to the right 24 25 up through 27 28 those are projections those are projections based on historical data so our financial advisers used a four-year weighted average using a migration data incoming kindergarten classes um put it all together and this is what they're projecting for ADM M the next four years so notice that 398 that we mentioned earlier based off of our October 1 count that's a projection for this school year end of year ADM we could come out above that the next three columns here 348 2982 20094 and you can also see what's happening in the elementaries Middle High School age groups as well I consider this a full report of what we think might be happening on per grade level in our district um for the next three years so um I should note that 2425 these are projected I should have grabbed that extra column as blue these are projected end of year numbers numbers so 24 25 through 27 28 are all projected um adms all right so this chart here this blue and red chart your handout might be probably the most impactful data set that we look at this evening so there's a very strong correlation between the number of births in our count County to the number of students that enroll in Albert Lee Schools and this goes way back what we're seeing is is about a 100 students less year-to-year County births to students enrolled in kindergarten or ADM and the year and so taking that data there's a strong trend line from County births to students enrolled so for example if you look at the First Column 2013 we know there was 339 students born in freeorn county in 2013 in 201819 the school year that most of those students would enroll in kindergarten now we know there's some you know red shirting at the holding students back in the kindergarten that happens but this settles itself out over time in the data what we can project is a nice correlation and we know not that every student is going to go to albertly schools it's born in Freeborn County there's other schools in the county um we talked about that migration Etc but the correlation we're seeing is about a 100 students less so if you look at 2014 338 in 201920 there's 241 it's pretty close to 100 students less 2015 there's 335 students or 335 children born 2020 21 we enrolled 223 students um interesting year think about what might have happened there to see a little bit less of a drop more of a drop uh 2016 333 students and 21 22 we saw 236 so we're seeing this correlation of about 100 students less and it's really good predictor of how many students we're going to see in kindergarten we used to be able to count on about 250 to 200 240 250 kindergarten students every year we were doing it up until last year even but we're seeing the data um it's probably not going to be true um moving forward we just don't see this the birth rates have slowed significantly in our County and Statewide so in this chart the Great are projected kindergarten adms so this year our end ofe projections 209 next year 216 213 194 194 194 we're not seeing the 250s 240s anymore we hope we do and again these are projections this could change um we'd love to see this one Spike back up um so last year we used the same act model to in our October one count was 211 and we projected that we would have a fiscal year 25 kindergarten at 216 for this year our current enrollment right now is 215 so it's fairly accurate it's doing the job it's supposed to in predicting kindergarten enrollment there are other ways to predict kindergarten enrollment um which we'll talk about a study here shortly too so this graph just depicts what's happening with birth rates and in our County or births just see a decline in the number of children being born in in Freeborn County and then another chart here just historical kindergarten enrollment following a similar trend line the dark blue being our actual kindergarten enrollment the dotted line being a trend line so another chart we break out our actuals from the past so putting together the past and our projection so we see here what we had for actual kindergarten enrollment the last five years and then projecting the next five and the reason here this one's in Gray is we don't have actual birth data for 24 yet so we can't predict exactly what that number will be so our financial advisers off of those birth rates are projecting those numbers we saw those in the chart earlier I think I've hammered this point home we're seeing lower smaller kindergarten classes coming in so we also had a study done in 23 so this actually two spring not this last spring but the spring prior in April of 23 Hazel Reinhardt who's a demographer completed a study of our community in our schools uh and she affirmed the slowing birth rates and trends for incoming kindergarten she also aligned these to some State trends that we're seeing as well it's not just Albert Lee that's seeing a slower birth rate it's across the board and then I mentioned that we would connect back to housing um hazel Reinhard had mentioned in her report that we can get some strong predictions about enrollment in our community based on housing um she's she makes the connection to the um resident school age population based off of types of housing um housing that's available so one thing we'd like to do is is complete this study every four years kind of analyzing what's happening with our our population and our community as well to just to affirm the data that we're seeing so that would next be in 27 and then to connect the dots back to earlier where we talked about this migration the natural migration kindergarteners coming in senior class is leaving what's nice is we've got a great prediction on incoming kindergarden classes and we've got a pretty good indicator of how many seniors 12th grade students will lose each year so this swing is going to happen for the next four five six years right we can't predict that kindergarten group out past 2030 but we have a good prediction right now and we hope this Chang changes we hope to see that we get more students incoming in kindergarten housing come in come through right um or these projections to be wrong that sort of thing but um right now the data we currently have shows that we're likely going to lose larger senior classes than incoming kindergarteners coming in and so if we look at that we're going to see loss of maybe 30 to um upwards of 60 students a year that we're going to be losing an enrollment I threw this in this just kind of shows the trend of where we're gaining and losing population in Freeborn County um again a snapshot of what's happening in our reality here um and they included and this is from that state report the Minnesota employment Economic Development uh County profile for Freeborn County they included a a 20 35 projections so 10 years from now what might our population look like and they are predicting our population in age group 3 25 to 34 to increase so hopefully that means families as well so to try and wrap things up on the projection front um I think this simple little line chart says it all um our forecast currently for kindergarten enrollment or K5 enrollment excuse me elementary school tools we're going to see a fall off and so we're going to see back to um one of the first slides you had we had um Elementary enrollments in the you know 1,350 area and they're going to be down in the next few years projected to be down under 1,200 students current elementary sections this is our um not including any special services um or other programming this would just be General grade level programming helverson Elementary has 289 students um that does include special services population those student count but the sections per grade what you see here we have two classroom teachers at each grade which amounts to 12 sections at helverson elementary for 289 students what challenges we're seeing is when you get down to two sections there's nowhere else really to go it's hard to take 40 students and go down to one section so your class sizes start to become pretty nice in there but at the expense of efficiencies for the school district hawthor elementary is 30 363 students they're at three sections per grade with the exception of fourth grade they have two so 17 classroom sections there at H Hawthorne at lak view current these are current seat count 418 students three sections per grade 18 sections in si Elementary 282 students two sections per grade 12 sections so in summary this evening as we look at our current enrollment our projections show Mostly declining enrollment tied at the heart of it to birth rates and smaller incoming kindergarten classes um declining enrollment leads to less Revenue annually most of the calculations for Revenue are based on a per pupil formula and we're going to face challenges making reductions in the same manner year after year um just because we're going to get down there in our class size or sections that we have in each building as well our population continues to change we need to continue to adapt so um the other piece there is we need to analyze how we use restricted funds to best serve those populations um or specific formulas that are intended for those specific populations um and that work has already begun uh we need to identify strategies to better understand migration and open enrollment again that work has begun as well but we need to do a deeper dive and understanding Why students are coming are going um and then to continue to plan for the future um our strong fund balance may be at risk should we not adapt or make changes as we go and be responsible so we'll continue to do that and commit to do that that and then just wanted to wrap up with that same disclaimer we started this conversation with about projections they are based on current data and we also highlighted some nice positive things tonight one that little spurt in enrollment this year where we're not seeing the fall off we could be wrong on those projections let's hope we are and also uh the commitment this community has to housing and jobs and growth um I think we're seeing some real positive things there too um but again we need to make our decisions and our financial decisions to the district based on that best information available and the most current data so for you as the board what we have coming next uh revised budget presentation March 3D um I think the following board meeting is March 17th that's over spring break um so we'll U do the presentation on the 3 and then final an adopted budget presentations will be the June 16th board meeting um we will get our um Revenue projections from the state in May so that we'll have to wait till June for those final and uh adopted budgets that any questions I just have a couple this is my third year in the board and I've heard statements made really informally that open enrollment for us was a wash students leaving students coming and I've looked at some State data and it seemed to be that way but I'm seeing a in balance on the data that you presented is that a recent change in open enrollment for us as far as the students the proportion of students leaving the district versus coming in I don't know if that's for Tanya or yeah that that may be outside of my realm to to speak on uh freely this evening I can tell you the data that was presented there was current data um but we also analyzed the last five years um you may also see other types of enrollment Maybe um if I can find that slide here I didn't touch on it um but I didn't speak to the non-public and the um tuition out um which might be services to maybe a co-op or somewhere else as well so um there there is more work to be done there um and like I also mentioned um it's kind of all over the board people are coming they're moving in from right out of state out of country um in state from other schools uh and they're going the same manner um and so trying to get our our thumb on that as a challenge and we've had some work to do there but I would um unless someone else wants to speak to that this evening um I would entertain a conversation another time I'd like to see a break day chairman Claud I'd like to see a breakdown just to what schools are open and rolling to to District 241 and what schools are our students go going to I have a hunch and I've seen some reports that alden's probably on that list but I like to see a breakdown just to be better informed of that won't be hard to put together for you um would you prefer in the form of a board update or would you like me to revisit and I'll leave it up to the chair I know we have a lot going on so let's uh can you bring it in on the 3 and then we March 3rd is that yeah that's what I was just thinking about then it's a verbal one we could talk because I honestly thought that 394 number was fairly low compared to what I asked for about two years ago okay so if you can even because that's the 24 number is that a 5ye average did you say this was a current year 24 open enroll or enrolled elsewhere data and I can speak to that 394.455 students that compiled for 394.455 for a while and then went somewhere else right to Total 34.76 somewhere else um and we do have all the specific data on where they went and where students are coming we have that breakdown I would just have to pull the names and you know personal information out of that and that's all um reported through our Mars system and I just want to double check an assumption so I'm looking at special ed and it I don't see a significant increase in the number of students served I'm make making the assumption that the needs of those students are far different now than they were 10 years ago is that a safe assumption to make it is okay and the numberi disability we can bring an update on that in March as well be fine Paul there's a lot of information I really appreciate it things that uh we've seen maybe in bits and pieces in my 10 years of being around and I appreciate you showing this using uh Ellers a little bit with as a financial advisor um again you know my my my concerns are you know right sizing everything and as you say we don't want to get to a point where we don't have enough to take care what we need we also got to be careful that we're not spending more than what we have and I know that's a concern that we've had with the board so it's nice to have these projections as we go forward and appreciate all the different looks at the numbers so uh Paul uh it looks as if we are receiving fewer students in kindergarten then we are graduating as seniors and is the fact that those seniors as far as per pupil units is concerned are 1.5 so it's 1.5 or 1.2 I'm sorry 1.2 correct times those students that were losing more of and gaining fewer at a lower per pupil unit rate is that a factor it certainly compounds um that's correct until yeah uh the thing that's interesting to me is you know when we had the demograph demographer here in like 2000 we had predicted by 2010 we would be at that 3100 number which we were or close to it um and it would continue to decline but the real increase was the current Community who came uh was significant to our increased enrollment and so um the data supports that exactly what you showed I'm one one Apu question Paul how does that we maybe touched on a little bit in the finance committee how is that uh calculated I mean what when do we is that the makeup payments that happen at the end so MD because they use the Mars report and I mean because you have a 15-day enrollment you mention in here somewhere how does all those numbers or if I'm here for 38 days is that what I get credit what a district gets credit for then the next District gets the rest how does that work briefly e e well thank you again without any other questions we'll see you back March 3rd thanks Paul all right just a uh couple comments on uh oh on 4.2 that I have um I talked to uh Barb a little bit over the weekend but just want to update you a little bit and a lot of things she wants to wait until we get to our survey the survey she said we'll point out some areas that we we need but again I I talked her a little bit about the additional um interview groups and I was kind of this Grand division of three she said that gets to be a long day so maybe two a community group and an educational partner group but she said again kind of waiting until we see um I would like to just mention that uh Darcy always thanks me for these things but if anyone is interested in being part of the community group or the educational partner group and the educational partner group I think we call anyone that's in the school district um let Darcy know because we're going to compile a list and then off that list we're going to have a r a number of up to eight people on that uh little committee or that little um 40 it's about a 45 minute um question and answer uh session that they'll have so um that was her suggestion don't go too much because we'll have a then and that'll take place in the final interviews and uh she said don't wear them out they going to get a tour in the morning and then if we start our interviews I think it was at 4:00 that's going to be a long day if we don't get done till 8 oock and then we're sitting around making decisions so just to give a little food for thought um and then also I just wanted to mention something that I've talked about I'd like to do when it comes down to the final two or three or whatever we've got is to do maybe you'll understand what my wife watches at night on TV but Hometown visits if anyone's ever heard of that before but I would like to go you know and try to get to the the finalists at least a group of two from the board going to each finalist Hometown having breakfast you know just talking to people in the town getting kind of a feel to see how the fit works for our community so just some food for thought nothing finalizing until we really get that survey back which I what is it the 25th is that what 19th was that the day I think I didn't jot it down but anyway so any any questions or thoughts on the process I think we're pretty good now till we um we get into our survey and then uh I think we've got our little interview training in the 27th of February any thoughts all right uh I was throwing around a bunch of days on Saturday and I was talking to her she goes Dave we've got a timeline out there I got to remember the timeline a little bit better but nothing will change on that so all right all right um I don't uh see anything else on the agenda so uh the next meeting is at the 20th Ary 18th that's right I can remember my days of the month thanks for coming sorry we're a little bit late tonight meetings a joury