All right, good evening everybody. Uh, thank you for coming out tonight on a night. This is a regular meeting of the Allenale land use board at which formal action will be taken on the items listed on the agenda and upon any other matters which may properly come before the land use board. The requirements of the Open
Public Meetings Act have been satisfied through the posting on the public bulletin board in the municipal building and on the burough website and by publication in the record on January 13, 2025 with copies being sent to the Ridgewood News and the Herald News. Certain agenda items will be open to the
public for comment andor testimony. The board will advise the public when such matters are open for their comment andor testimony. Okay. Uh before we get into it, do we uh all rise to salute flags? Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of American. >> Board member Wala is absent. Board member Petrino >> here. >> Board member Guggliero is absent. Councilman Yakarino >> here. >> Board member Dallow >> here. >> Chairman Ser >> here. >> Mayor Wasinski
>> here. >> Board member Butler >> here. >> Alternate Ki is absent. >> Next on our agenda, please, are the approval of the minutes from the October 15, 2025 regular meeting. I reviewed them, looked okay to me. Any comments,
questions on the meeting notes as presented? Okay, seeing none, may I have a motion, please, to accept? >> Make a motion to accept. >> And may I have a second, please? >> Second. >> Thank you, >> Vice Chairwoman Bergen. >> Board member Petrino,
>> yes. >> Board member Dallow, >> yes. >> Chairman Crico, >> yes. >> Board member Butler, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Right. Moving on to the resolutions of the last meeting. Um the first is
application file number 2025-12 resolution number 25-25. The applicant is Michael Maul and Dana Marino 246 Park Avenue block 2206 lot 7 and the application was
construction of an attached deck council. >> Yes. Thank you Mr. So, so this application was in a sense an amendment from a prior approval granted by the board which was a more ambitious and larger scale development project. The applicants returned to the board and
conceded to abandoning that prior project uh in lie of the proposal which was approved by the board last month for construction of a deck in the rear yard area which was more limited relief than the prior approval. The applicant agreed that the prior approval would be abandoned, which would require the
applicant to return to the board in the future and prosecute that case a new should they wish to ever build on what was previously prepared by their their scrier of record and originally approved by the board. of this approval supplants and replaces the initial approval simply
for the deck construction of the rear yard. >> And we made sure that the understood. >> We did on the record and the applicant confirmed on the record that he understood that one replaces the other. They cannot both live side by side with two approvals.
>> Sir, any comments, questions on the resolutions and the detail that council just provided? Okay, seeing none, can I have a motion to accept the resolution, please? >> I'll make a motion to accept. And can I
have a second? >> That's one. >> Vice Chairwoman Bergen, >> yes. >> Board member Petrino, >> yes. >> Board member Dallow, >> yes. >> Chairman Crico, >> yes. >> Board member Butler,
>> yes. Moving on. Next uh resolution is application hall number 2025-13 resolution 25-26. The applicant is James and Dana Bole at
415 Canterbury Drive, block 410 block 3 and the application was the addition of a renovation of existing single family residence seeking relief of rear yard setback pursuant to 270-34D. Council, I'll turn it back over to you again. Thank you. So, not too dissimilar
from the prior approval grant of last month. This two is an application that was a return to the board following a prior approval and grant in 2022 for an addition to the single family residential dwelling. This approval was uh lesser in scope, lesser in square footage, lesser in relief overall. So it
was effectively lesser included application than the board previously approved. The board granted this application. I believe the downward adjusted delta of square footage was about 400 square feet downward adjusted from the prior approval. This too is an application where you can only build one or the other. The law is relatively
clear if you cannot build both of your approvals harmoniously, but one is abandoned. The current one, the lateral ones transceino application. This one is one where the applicants will have to build out upon the 2025 approvals if they act on their
resolution grant by this board. >> That's okay. Sorry. It's okay. All right, board members. Any questions, comments on the resolution? I'll second. Okay, if I have a motion to accept,
>> make a motion to accept. >> I'll second. Thank you, >> Chairwoman Bergen. Board member Patrino. >> Board member Dallow. >> Yes. >> Chairman CO. >> Yes. >> Board member Butler. >> Yes.
Next on our agenda is the public hearings. We have two applications before the board. Um the applicant 2025-06 which shows 310 East Allenale Avenue. Are you are you representing them?
>> Yes, you are. Okay. What I'd like to do is because you were here before and we're anticipating that your testimony is going to be relatively short. >> Yes, that's correct. >> I would like to change the agenda. All
due respect to the Youngs, this should be very fast. Okay. And then you'll have the meat of the uh of the meeting. Okay. So, gentlemen, if you'd be so fine. >> Okay. Mr. Chairman, I would like to add though that Miss Lee Song is currently
on her way. So if the board feel like we hear from Miss Leong directly as well, she is currently be I don't anticipate moving her testimony unless I >> think this is more of a legal amendment council. I think we'll be fine with with
just you offering your profit to the board and if there's a hiccup we can, you know, hold and and move forward after after their application. But I think based on what I review, it should be just you being able to answer any questions that come up this evening. >> Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, that's I'm in
full grace that again points. >> Perfect. Thank you, Chris. Okay. Please. So, >> you can go there or you can move the speaker to the table wherever you're comfortable. >> Thank you. 10 months ago essentially
director of the city on behalf of the applicator capital also on behalf of his principal sole principal uh himself essentially what's come to rise. As we mentioned two
months ago, you were approved uh for some facts and during the course of construction what has come to pass is on um the onset of uh of the demolith and we discovered a certain structural issue
with regard to the right side back that seemed to impact a number of the foundation walls. Essentially what was discovered was that the cement block was not adhered to the foundation. What we need to do is actually bring down all of the walls.
Now the actual footprint of the building, the foundation itself, the subfloor, the floor, the floor joist, all of that has remained intact. All essentially had to do was bring all the walls down uh to properly uh reinforce
the structure of the building. Now the remainder of the character of the of the building remains intact as what we're seeking from the board's amendment to the resolution that was previously granted simply adding another variance to the right side road set act
in addition to the left side exact just in case the board were to deem this a sufficient disruption without having to go into that test of course um you know as opposed to going through the likely testimonies to take the proofs as they've submitted and that the project
itself advances the purposes of the municipal land use bond. >> Okay, >> Mr. Chairman, for what it's worth, I had a chance to speak to Mr. Rodriguez a number of times on this before this submission as well as Mr. Hackett and I I think that this could have probably gone either way with with administrative consideration. You know, Mr. Hackett in
an abundance of caution thought that a return to the board was um more proper given that there could be an exacerbation of relief. I did not disagree with that, nor did Mr. Rodriguez. That's what brings them back here before us this evening. But it's effectively um something that I could see uh having been any given day of the
week potentially a field change approved because of the non-exacerbation of the relief. It's it's hyper techchnical more than anything chairman I'd like to add the exact character of this project the character of the project remains the
same. It's going to be a beautiful politics all that's really changing theory of some of the facets of constructions that's all. only to further enhance the building and to ensure that it's safe and secure over the next years. >> There was no overall design.
>> Yeah, none whatsoever. >> The existing walls are being built in the same location as they >> correct. There's no stash of footprints. Uh nothing exceeds the bounds as they were previously. Were there any changes required to the
detail of how that wall is going to be fastened and reinforced since it was not originally intended to be touched? >> My understanding is that it's going to be reinforced rev into the foundation and so new cinder blocks to be put in and then reinforced directly into the
foundations can withstand the support of a second story and then screw. >> So there's there's not going to be any change. Uh the height will remain the same. The wall will remain in the same location. At this it looks like it's just to
reestablish the structural integrity of that wall. That's absolutely correct. >> Just so I understand, how much of the house was demoed? 50% 60%. >> We're roughly I believe uh we're probably in the realm of somewhere near
the 60 70% mark. >> Okay. Uh just because we brought down everything except for you know some of the interior all the exterior had to go and the roof had to go clearly kind of brought down the studs and then we just taking apart the the uh exterior walls as well
>> and not changing the foundation >> not changing the foundation not changing the floor joist not changing the subfloor and the layouts remain exactly the same exactly as are outlined in plans. None of the floor plans are being changed nothing. It's going to be built
exactly as described in anybody else. No state had much more to add other than uh you know the cons I guess the concern
was that we existing form and remove so he had the authority or not to grant some relief for that and
indicated by hiring by caution everyone need to come back from what I can tell looking at the finance you know everything is going to go back together just like we thought it was going to go back together it's just more >> or rephrasing what you said everything
is going back the way that we assumed it except with this exception >> nearly everything is going back okay That's fair. That's fair. Okay, I'm satisfied. Anybody else? Okay. Um,
comments from the public. Okay. Seeing none, I bring it back to the board. Um, >> yeah. So, the resolution. >> So, so, so the board will be voting on Yeah, the board will be voting on an amendment to the prior application, which might have been been June that you were here.
>> I believe it. >> Um, I've got it as well. Um, I know I wasn't here that night. I know I was on on the the Brady Munch camera. Yeah. So I think I think I was in North Carolina. So I think it might have been June. But at any rate >> May 12th >> May 12th. Okay. So this would be an amendment to the approval the board granted. We would we'll adopt a new
resolution Chris for this. We're sending to you. But uh I don't think it's going to hold you up in the interim as you move forward with your your ongoing construction. Um but yeah, the board will be voting on an amendment to the prior approval to grant any enhanced relief occasion by the reconstruction of details in the field that were not
contemplated during the course of the prior 2025. Any questions on what council just told us? Okay. But I have a motion to accept given what council just detailed for us the revisions to the resolution.
>> Thank you. Solution. Okay, thank you. And then it was Melissa. >> Frank. >> Okay. Vice Chairwoman Bergen. >> Yes. >> Board member Petrino. >> Yes.
>> Board member Dallow. >> Yes. >> Chairman Crico. >> Yes. >> Mayor Wisinski. >> Board member Butler. >> Yes. >> Linda, do you need me to vote as well? I don't think you voted on the original application, did you?
>> I don't recall. I could abstain from this then in that case. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Mr. Hack indicate that he wanted to stop working anything unless Mr. Freeman has any issues. Legally speaking, I I don't think there's any cause to to slow folks down there in good faith consistent with
the plans and this is nonuance that surfaces every extension time. Thank you. Very nice. Thank you again. Thank you for your time. And thank you very much for
the application number 634. The application is the addition to an existing split level home on second floor rear family room covered porch and an open air roof pursuance 270-37A
3 and 270-64. Thank you for coming in. Swear all three of you folks in at the same time and then we can vote who we have here so you can just start your testimony. So you folks at the please all raise your right hand you are swear you all swear or permanent testimony you're about to provide the truth truth
nothing but the truth. Yes. Thank you. If we could just go one after the other folks if you could just state your name spell your last name by an address for the record. Eore ventric ss principal engineer of the conton
associates on church streets of New Jersey is Kai Young President of 63 person. >> Thank you. >> Your license remains current in good standing in the state of New Jersey through tonight. I assume.
>> Yes. E license number 32444, professional plan of license number 3736. >> You testifying about capacities today? >> Yes. >> Okay. Very cool. >> All right. Um tell us tell us who's what? Okay. Tell
us tell us what you want to do, why you're here, please. Thank you. It's just a you know brief overview. We all have your plans and photos taken. >> So and I we've been um at for 23 years and we're looking to uh renovate a home.
So we're looking to do an addition which will consist of a new great room and cover deck for families and gatherings and the second floor edition will be used as a remaster bedroom and study books. Uh we plan on replacing our current wood
shapes with new vinyl siding, but we'll retain the red brick facing. Um and the color of the vinyl sign will be a mutual pallet. Nothing different which will complement the red brick of the front house uh front stairs scooping tube
with respect to proposed exterior lighting and mechanical equipment. Um lighting will be installed around the house for security aesthetics such as wall sponsors by entrances, quad lights for security, path lights for walkways and uh ceiling or pendant lights for
cover areas. switches. Um in addition uh the mechanical equipment it's going to be installed will be a gas generator outside and um two beachback compressors will also be and there was a question from Mr. Greenland about landscaping and tree
removal. Um two beach trees by the right side of the house that was need to be removed. Um, and then you're not going to remove any of the trees and the walkway in front of the housing will also be
just to clarify on the new compressors. We have one existing. So, we're going to replace the existing D for each and then add another one as part of the second. And just to clarify, all those
mechanicals are indicated on exhibit A3, which is the F plan. Uh, and they're to the rear of the home, totally, you know, out of sight. Uh, subject property is
lot 15, block 1904, 63 Avenue. Um it is a 19,652 square foot uh property in the AA 26,000 square foot um zone that the lot is
undesized but it is property is in compment with the floor area ratio um uh exhibit A1 and I've taken the liberty to pre-mark the exhibits and provide an exhibit list >> that that's very helpful and I thank you
for that um just for the record sake, identify it by name as you're going through these. >> Exhibit A1 is an existing conditions uh survey. It shows the footprint of a home and you can see one of the features and this peculiar feature of these
properties is that the home is either parallel to the sidelines or radial to the curve of Crescent Bend. The home is cocked, which is what brings us before this board. I'll have an exhibit
uh exhibit A6 which is a land use analysis which if the home was built in a conventional location not twisted um would not be do uh but that is the uh circumstance the home this property was
subdivided in 1958. Uh the home was built in 1959 1960 so it is uh 65 years old. um and they wish and these wish to update it. Uh I believe it's in your
packet, but exhibit A4 uh are photographs of the existing uh split level home and they have pictures, you know, it's a classic 1959 split level and uh those exhibit A4 are
photographs from May 22nd, 2025. So they're certainly up to date. Um, exhibit A3 is the prime exhibit with the architectural. This is titled plot plan block 15 block 1904 Kai Grace Young. It
is dated 62025 last revised 73025 is the location zone board applications and exhibit A4. The photographs are uh pended to exhibit A3 and it details the
existing footprint of the home which I'm tracing with my pointer as well. There's a a covered porch out to the back. Um there is uh that the proposed expansion is
overlapping. That covered porch will be removed and a new cover porch to the rear of the home. Highlighted on exhibit A3 are the required building uh setbacks
um and as well as the 21.7 ft enhance setback in ratio to the floor area of the home. Um the existing setback to the corner of the building is
currently 18.4 four again due to the twist of the home. Exhibit A6 titled land use analysis uh shows the property
and if the existing and proposed footprint was built in a conventional location, you can see it fits very nicely in this in the required setbacks. Um and the right hand side of exhibit A6
I've highlighted or shaded the required setback the permitted building envelope is the white space with the footprint. If this and this is the the central C1 hardship with this property is that for
whatever reason in 1959 um the home was built at an angle brings us here today. The existing sideyard setback uh to the back corner of the existing
home is 18.4 ft. So it's currently over the 20 foot minimum setback or the 21.7 hand setback and due to the superior angle of the home when the addition is
built the back corner of it has a side set back of 1526 hence requiring um a variance which brings us to more again I emphasize
That's all a result of the orientation or the location of the existing home footprint that when you extend the home in a logical perpendicular parallel uh manner you bump into the uh
you know over the setback. That is the essence of this applications. Um as stated by uh Mr. John associated improvements the driveway would be repaved uh front walkway reconstructed
exhibit A3 plot plan indicates all the roof leaders will be upgraded. All that roof runoff would be directed to a sheepish pit in the front yard. uh we have provided uh storm water
management calculation in that regard. Um I believe they begun uh proper. Uh in Mr. Breland's um report he recommends that uh connecting an overflow from the
seage pit to a catch basin. This property does have a benefit of the catch basin directly in front. um that can be accommodated uh certainly if permitted. There is a drainage easement along the westerly
side with a storm drain in it running from the roadway catch basin and another element of this application is that that is a 15 foot wide
uh range ement dating back to 1959. If we put a conventional sit at that back corner that as norm will encroach by 8 in into the drainage ement. Um, it's up in the air. There
plenty of clearance if the town needed to uh access this drainage easement for maintenance purposes that stop it. Um, which is the back side. It's this corner.
You know, there's plenty of clearance. It's a second story. It does not prohibit access of of equipment. uh in fact the two beach trees that uh are to cut are proposed to be removed
would actually improve the access uh to that municipal drainage easement if the town needed to um access it. Um the architecturals uh are exhibit 85 by uh Harry Goldstein
who actually has a specialty in renovating these classic 1959 um split levels which is which is always a challenge. Uh but it again it is a family room uh out the back a second
story a full second story edition which is we are exacerbating the existing nonconforming side yardings another reason we're before the board uh but exhibit A5 uh are the architecturals
by uh Harry Folstein architect but it's basically a second sto full seconds story edition on one half of the house, a family room to the rear
of the home, which is this box here, and then a covered porch uh in the rear yard of the home. Um that really the sum of the application and again from a planning perspective
the hardship that's putting us before is the orientation and location of the home. If it was in a conventional location we would not see here. I see you have the generators and all that towards the back.
>> Yes, they're to the rear of the family room um on site. >> Do you know why the original house was built not square? Any idea even? >> It's
it's peculiar. Uh perhaps it was an error. >> Okay, that's why we do foundation location surveys today. um this could be the reason but it was the foundation that when they became
aware of it um yeah it's it's peculiar. That's >> Did you look at, you know, since the side effects sliding scale based on the square footage of the house and you know what you're adding to it, did you look at um what you could add and still make
it compliant >> because the without the addition the existing is compliant, right? >> Yeah. Well, the existing due to the orientation of the home, the existing corner is over the setback line that that
corner has an 18.4. So, it's 1.6 ft off the minimum 20 foot yard setback. >> Okay. >> You can see the architect did he did put a jog, you know, in a normal circumstance
right off the corner. the architect did put a jog in the design um duties constraints. So that was looked at. >> Yeah, I was just trying to I know the
existing um it was over that 20 foot. I was just curious just to see like oh we couldn't have a family room because it would only be 10 ft deep, you know. >> Yeah, the family room would be significant. the family room and the flow of the interior space would be
complacent. The architect absolutely looked at that. But he did. You can see this jog. It cost you more to build that jog and pull it in than if you built it in line with the house and have more floor
space. So that was definitely taken into consideration. >> How much is that in what's that dimension? I'm looking at the master. I'm looking >> two and a half. >> Two and a half. Okay. So,
>> what about moving it over so you're not within? Did you look at that? >> Further to the left, >> mind the goal of the that has a severely adverse impact on the interior where
everything lines up here. There's this is the kitchen area. Uh there's a two and a half foot job. Uh and the kitchen of course ideally flows into the family room. If you shift the entire won't call
it this entire box um uh that that creates some real architectural loom construction problems and this has also has to be balanced with the roof lines. Okay. So the
challenge here is balancing the interior space with the property lines, the setbacks and the roof lines which are always that is that is a challenge
with the um and window locations also. So if you move this box to the right, this is a family room. There's a 2 and 1/2t job. It has an adverse impact on the interior
space. You can see this this peak then covers this window, you know, and it goes kind of a domino effect. >> And the two trees that you're talking about pulling down are just off that 2 and 1/2t job. Actually, they're to the immediate right
of the existing corner. They're in the municipal library engagement. Um, second story. >> Yeah. Yeah, that'll help. >> Thanks.
>> These are not part of the file pack. No, it's okay. Mark, we just have to mark them for for mark as A7s. you could describe that. >> So, um >> these are
actually this is um >> looking at the beach trees from the back of the house back. >> Okay. >> And then these are the beach trees from the right side by >> a sec. I'm going to mark this up. Okay.
That's fine. >> Those are photos. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Right. Thank you. >> But he named the property that the
addition of the last three. You see, >> I guess I didn't really understand what the hardship was besides I guess some cosmetics. >> Well, the the hardship is the location and the peculiar orient location of the
home. So, >> that was existing. >> That's existing. Yes. >> So, what is the new hardship? Well, it's when the home is extended perpendicular to the
rear wall of the uh existing home and you converge um to the sideyards. If this home was that's exhibit A6, the landing filling analysis. If this was
home, a conventional location. Did we? >> Yeah. >> Easily. >> I think we got where we go. >> We got that point. And that's that's creating the hardship.
>> The orientation, the rotation of the home is creating the hardship which brings >> But you're feeling a new structure. So I don't know if that's relevant, right? Excuse me. You You're encroaching on the property
line with the new structure >> on the setback and set off the right hand property. >> Yes. >> Did I understand it correctly? It's like you're approaching further on that property. >> Yes. The current the current building is
18.4 deep. When the proposed family rooms are extended, it will be 15.6 ft from the side property line over the 20ft sideyard setback or the enhanced 21.7
foot side setback. >> I think what we're trying to get to is that you're coming to us to say, "Okay, we want to build this and you're going to make a situation worse by putting it where you're putting it." So, as the
board customarily does, okay, we look at what's being presented and what alternatives are potential. Okay. And one of the things that I'm looking at here is that the whole box,
for lack of a better word, was moved towards looking at this towards the left of the house. Yes. and even settled in where it says this existing concrete reconstruction expand paper patio over and down then you wouldn't you wouldn't be making
this 184 worse by going 156 again I'm not an architect so I can't really talk to flows and things I I'm going to let you go please >> I noticed something which I think has an effect on what we're talking about is on the these architecture plans that are really hard to read because they're so
small but it looks like where you have the 18 foot4 coming off and you're saying that's the existing step back. But on the architectural plans where it shows the new basement foundation, it looks like it you're make you're making it pushing it back a new or additional
in 4T. So really the existing wouldn't be 18.4 that would be the new and the existing was further. Do you want to come see this plan?
So this existing basement plan what again drawings I can't read they don't say what's new >> larger versions of these table but >> this appears to be the existing foundation wall and so you're building out this new foundation here so you're
which aligns with the existing so this which I think is 4 feet you're coming out so this is where the existing foundation was so that would be the existing setback that that yes that is exist except like right right >> no it would be right here saying four
feet in >> well the existing right there at the corner >> I understand but it's not aligning with the architecture you said which one is correct
the larger It is only here. >> Yeah, that would be great. I mean, I don't know if Oh, this has a lot more to it. So, so yeah, existing 8 inch concrete block
wall. You're building out a new one 4T that aligns with the existing. So, it doesn't >> understood. But your plan shows this as existing. This corner is existing, >> but this plan shows it as new.
existing corners here and 18. >> Okay. So then it's gonna make the set back worse because we're at an angle actually worse this back corner
here. >> They still need a great show. So you're saying you think your plan you think this um so this 18 ft
so what is your plan showing? Yeah. This is the >> Yes. The existing condition here 18.4 is to the existing column here. >> Okay. So then so then your plan is going
to come out another four feet and do this. >> So the critical >> about the worst case situation was here uh where it's 15.6. >> Yeah. I mean look at it. It's almost the same on it. It could be even worse. I'm
not sure. >> Yeah. We didn't identify that. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, we have this converging. We have these this is a straight line foundation. We have this convergence to 15.6 ft.
>> Yeah, we just I mean I think we'll need to have >> Yeah, make it worse. >> We need to see it confirmed in plan you know accurately. The other issue you're going to have is that an asphalt plan was recommended
post approval. So if we don't line up to the lease and the setbacks, it's you're back here just like the last applicant was. So you guys are building a new basement too underneath. Is it going to
>> and it's going to be it's >> that's I would say slide open that's Yeah. This is the that's the authentic. It was you're an engineer and a minor. Yes, that's what you said in the beginning.
That's not >> while you're discussing speak with the young. Oh yeah. Yeah. Please. That gets very off the recording. We I think we off the record right now. >> Yeah, I mean they're out they're out of
the room. >> Yeah, they're out of the room. We're not trying to look at their their larger plans. We're not making any substantive decisions. You could stay on the record if you like, but we could also go off. >> I'm afraid if I shut this Well, actually, I can probably shut off this sound, right? >> Easy enough.
>> Yeah, Linda, I would just mute it. >> I might be able to do that from here. >> Yeah, I could do it from here. Linda, do you want me to do that? >> Yeah. Tell me where you're >> there. I just muted you. And then when you're ready to unmute in
the upper right hand corner where it says mic, you can uh unmute Okay, we're back, Tyler. >> Okay, I'm here. >> Good. Okay. >> Okay. We are we are listening to the board's comments. We would like to
solute the comments, absorb them, and come back. >> Okay. >> You have additional comments so they don't come back. Yeah. >> Back again. >> Yeah. >> We go through. We're going to go through if if it's okay. We're going to go through
>> Michael's checklist. >> Pull out any other statements. This way when you come back it's more efficient. >> Okay. >> But that's something that something that you mentioned that
sometimes want to hear more sheets might for them to submit or something of the light details and then the location of sources or I mean it would help the wall lighting should be down fast.
Probably be in the soft. We understand. No one wants an LED spotlight. We understand. >> Yeah. >> I think you can just locate them for Mr. Green as to where they'll be and what the lighting details will be. But the question could be easy enough. light source this way to really confirm their
satisfaction that it won't be in impact to offsite properties. on this >> item 4.5 we just noted about the drinking agreement and if it was to be approved that we would suggest going to be marked out
anything the some of the underground piping is located you know just over the the line and you connect in it and we put an overflow into that inlet location.
I don't think that creates necessarily issues but the world or things on how they would address the building. That would be something that we would look for some kind of clearance
enter something done outside. >> Uh we did get danger calculations. It looked like the calculations were based primarily on the change in impurities coverage not necessarily run off area.
>> So what we like to do is look at it in both perspectives. You want to make sure that the drainage is designed to handle the increase in runoff flow. Also, it's not going to bolt the flow in the small rain events because the area goes into
it is too large for the are that has been allowed before. I don't see why and it looked like there was some underground piping
connected to that case where >> unknown >> unknown >> 1959 >> and then you know we point that out because if for some reason you know they're connected to some kind of existing
management system. We don't want to negatively impact business positions and you know create the need that providing those normal required to provide. So sometimes that's something that we
find out during construction. So talk about the old bike. Um, as we typically do with homes of this age, as part of the pool, we would recommend the utility connections best as necess,
you know, the water service is going under the jurisdiction of the building. And they may be investigating here. And I do have to say that um this is obviously this isn't
Tor's first clock plan that he's done in carrying we and applaud the comments and and request that we would not review 30 minutes. But I think our perspective looking anticipating
women the one issue is probably going to be reevaluating caps. And if I remember correctly, you guys are almost at the bottom of the hill. Yeah.
>> And then there's a um there's a small Isn't there a break between Is there a small drainage area between Guardian Angel? >> There's like a wall between us and Guardian Angel. Does >> that sometimes fill up with water? No.
Okay. might be the next trying to do. Okay. Uh the one I just I just want to reiterate one thing that that that Michael just said. Trust something. Have
your signal check. >> Okay. There's three people against it. Deal with them. >> Okay. person advice. Okay. Um
All right. >> There was more meetings. >> There is a December meeting. >> Yes, December 10th. >> Oh, I'm sorry. We We still have some luxury though. But yes, there is a December meeting, but hang on. That's a second. I um if you guys are
going to I guess update or or do anything with a site plan, I just want to know if there's going to be any proposed uh planting within that easement and or possibly a fence. If there was, if you could kindly locate where that's going to happen so that we
could look at what type of work is going to happen over that 15inch RC. >> There's no discussion. We were not thinking of putting fence up there. Our neighbor has um
>> barber fightings, you know. Yeah. Not that you can't. You were thinking about it. It'd be nice to know. >> No, we were not thinking of it. Okay. Sorry. So, just to be clear, do we need to say we are not doing it on the planet? >> I don't know. I'll refer to Mike. I
don't know that you have to say you're not doing it, but if you were going to >> do plan things of any sorts. It'd be nice to know what you're doing in that area because as Mr. uh Flynn pointed out uh you would enter into a home harmless because if something had to be done to
the pipe from the that the burrow would be responsible for those plants would effectively be your responsibility. So >> just so you Yeah, it's clear. That's all. >> I just had written a note to myself and maybe I'm being a little too cautious
here, but if those beach trees or when those beach trees come down like I'm kind of maybe I'm directing this to see if those come down, are they close to that type that there might be issues as they come down or you don't know until you pull them out kind of deal? >> Yeah, I mean
it. Yeah, I mean it I think it said that they were 10 inch roughly 10 inch caliber that should be >> Yeah. And if you look at the picture I mean although it says huge survey actually trees it looks like a huge >> like a big hedge.
>> Yeah the big hedge mean obviously those have to come down otherwise to the as we as we have it right now I have to trim it every single year. I guess maybe just the last thing I
bring. What do you have under far roughly 3,000 square pieces less? So I mean burn county soils is only as large service
to 5,000 square feet that's less other outside but for some reason expanding 30s,000. Any other comments from the board? >> All right. Um, do you have any questions
for us? >> In December. >> Okay. There's nobody here in the audience, so I'm not opening up the public. There's something here. >> I'm just question that. Is that your fancy like that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> The 46 ones. >> Okay. How many copies or >> everybody up here? >> What do we normal say? 12. >> The 10 is good. >> 10 is good.
>> I think the original package plans we had we had to use second. >> But the second submitt will be the same thing every day as the first sub we did. Um they're only eight. >> All of us are already by 11. >> No, she's saying the very first.
>> No, >> this was this is my >> That's just you need the architectural >> architectural both sides architect. >> Maybe maybe >> yes
>> because it can even be posted up there with the TV. >> Okay. So >> do that. >> We must have paper. >> I'm sorry. >> You want 10 copies of the fulls size paper? >> Yes. >> Yes. As well as a PDF. The archive,
please. >> Yes. >> Question. Linda, where are we in place? >> We're good. Let's try and >> December 10th days in advance.
>> Yes. >> But you but you got a couple always speaks up. Oh no. >> Yeah. So for purpose of tonight that meeting and what that really does is it preserves your notice. You don't have to notice again public.
>> No you would not. But we make an announcement this evening that the board if they're inclined to make a motion to carry December 10th. >> Did you not be prepared to continue that night? that evening, you can send a letter into the board to Linda. We ask to be carried to the next available meeting. We can go on the records that
night and carry you again to a new date certain provided we have our 2026 calendar already established. This way you don't have to worry about noticing again. This would be the effect of the continue notice the announcement. That's great. We have a
do have one other quick question that we >> it's not we just >> we want to make sure >> about the building height. >> Okay. >> All right. That's all we
um Okay. If we didn't we didn't go through the meetings to try and keep this thing moving forward. We're going to we're going to discuss these dates after you guys are done. But excuse me, we're projecting January to be the 14th. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, December 10th, >> December 10th >> or January 14th >> or January 14th >> and just in case February. Okay. But all of us will >> Okay. Any other questions?
Okay. So, I need a Can I have a voice to move it? Okay. I just need a a yay or nay voice um to move this to or to carry it to our next meeting. >> Thank you. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor? Hi.
>> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Thank you. Okay. So, it >> you don't have to notice if you can get before us in December. If not January. Okay. Um
the rest might be open for things that you may need. >> Okay. >> So I think that's it. Do you have any other things? >> All right. >> Yeah. Nice >> you need what? Okay. So, what do you
need? So, we need >> I don't need the pictures of that. Basically, pictures. >> We need one set of I Yeah, we're holding off to these. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, hold on a second. Thank you. >> Okay. Um All right.
If uh you have no further questions. >> Thank you. >> Happy. >> Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. >> I have these two. >> Oh, those. >> No, I don't take any of that. >> So, so Tore, you marked those. Were
those I got the sense that some of those were part of your initial I'm sorry to see this distance in the paper but were those mocked up in the initial filing or were those just marked as exhibits for reference tonight for ease of your presentation? >> Are those the same things you had filed A1 through A6?
>> Yes, >> they were identical. So this was essentially for ease of presentation. >> Yes. >> Identifain those in that case. >> We'll keep A7. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you for coming.
>> That's two boys. >> Okay. Um, >> you know, I'm just there like one set. Were those items A136 all part of the file packets with the board or no? >> Yes, that they took it from the
transmitt letter. >> Okay. Same documents not mocked up. >> The one where you show them if you didn't move us. >> So in other words thinking >> T we're thinking the packet that you provide to us or was provided to us
whomever did it here. >> We did not provide copy that was >> so whatever you presented this evening that was not identical to something that was formally filed please leave it with Linda this evening as an exhibit for our retention. We've already got A7. It
sounds like there might be others that were not in the business of packet. I'm working off of digital. So if I have the board members, please leave the paper copies to the extent to you. I confirm that they are different or new. Thank
And now you have to go with it where it's only got a space that somehow perfect. All right, we good. Great. Um, I skipped over this purposely
along. Next on our agenda is discussion of uh dates for 2026. Um, Linda put this together with making sure that it was not conflicting with holidays and schools,
etc., etc. Um, is there any discussion of the dates as laid out here? >> Can I have Thank you. >> You too. Um, okay. So, can I have a I guess I need a motion to Thank you, sir. And can I have a second?
>> Thank you. a second. Craig. >> Craig. Yeah. All in favor? >> I >> I No. Thank you. All right. That's done. >> U Mayor, just I'll give you a call for a second or anything. >> No. Um the only thing I just updated
everybody on we're still um in our battle, if you will, with fair share H. So, we've had two conversations with the judge. The next one is to the um Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Um, so we're hoping that we can come to some type of agreement, but they're, you
know, pushing for pretty high density. Um, so, um, and we have that sat that I've been telling everybody about that at least wants to use our infrastructure because they put all of their and they approved for all of their fair share housing on the border. So, we're trying
to figure out that deal is concrete. >> And I noticed something about the Rosa property that doesn't >> sure does that potentially use lines. Yeah, that got Yeah, I think I don't know if it got approved. >> No, I don't think it did December. >> That affects four units.
>> Okay. Well, >> calculations right now. >> Any other questions, comments from the board? Okay. Open up the public for comments. Seeing none, I bring it back. Everybody, happy Thanksgiving. Thanks
for having Thank you for everything and enjoy it with your families. Motion to uh end the meeting. Have >> a motion. Thank you. Second. >> Second. All >> in favor? I >> I. >> All right, everybody. Thank you. Thanks for your time. >> Good night, everyone.
>> Good night. >> Good night. Thanks, Tyler. >> Take care, Linda. Thanks again. Bye. Bye.