##VIDEO ID:LfSOf4zclac## good evening everybody thank you for coming tonight this is a regular meeting of the Allandale L use board at which formal action will be taken on the items listed on the agenda and upon any other matters which may properly come before the land use port the requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied through posting on the public bulletin board and in the municipal building and on the burough website and in publication in the record on January 13 2025 with copies being sent to the Ridgewood news and The Herald News certain agenda items will be open to the public for comment Andor testimony the board will advise the public as to when such matters are open for their comment and our testimony uh before we begin if everybody join me in a salute to the flag please I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty this for thank you okay members of the public this is our annual um reorg meeting so we have some agenda items that we have to go through first before we get into other parts of the agenda so I just ask you to bear with us it shouldn't take us too long um but it's a lot of formalities that we just have to have on the record so uh thank you once again for your uh for your uh watching us do this um the first thing that I that we need to do is that we need to uh do oath of office for Andrew agero for Tyler yerino who is joining us taking over Joe deliso who we thank for his time his help on this board uh Tyler is um our one of our councilmen who will be sitting on this board now at all time or at least this year um and Tyler has been on the board before for those who don't know say it's pretty familiar with what we do on this board um and then for uh Joe kti who will be here he'll be a little late but we also have to go through the swearing him of him as so I leave this turn so to as far as we have to do attendance first yes I guess we could do that too I apologize thank you very much Vice chairwoman Bergen here Bo member warala here board member patrino here councilman yino here board member d here chairman too here mayor wasinski here board member Butler here and Alternate County should be here shortly okay now we can here so far we're missing some right you really have to do we're missing okay set ready to go study prepared ready to go little rusty you wouldn't mind Standing Up pilot please please repeat after me I I Tyler Edward garino Solly swear or affirm Solly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New Jersey the constitution of the state of New Jersey and that I will bear true faith and Allegiance the same and I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Saint and to the governments established in the United States and in this state to the governments established in the United States and in this state country and Township country and Township under the authority of the people under the authority of the people and that I will faithfully impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office and I will Faithfully justful just and impartially impartially perform perform justly perform all the duties of the office the office of the burrow bendale L use board the bur of Allen L board according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability so help me God so help me God congratulations thank you sir thank you mayor for the appointment thank you welcome back right so the next on our agenda is the election of officers uh the first that we have is a resolution lub 25-01 order of voting Linda do you have any you have any just our regular order it's staying the same same way as we've been having okay so um I'm not going to read through it we all know what we all know what that order is so uh can I have a motion to accept the order of voting please Mo thank you sir second second okay Vice chair woman Bergen yes board member Wala yes board member patrino yes councilman yino yes board member D yes chairman s yes mayor wasinski board member Butler yes thank you um all right the next the next that we have here actually I want to just insert something really quick um Greg Butler you are now a uh standing member if you thank you on the board so thank you for accepting we appreciate it okay will reflect so so so now we have a full board um now we have a full board and we have one open alternate position so are you and I probably talk about that at some point thank you okay so the next resolution that we have is resolution lub 25-2 election of chair um I I would I would appreciate I would like to stay in that position but the board is open for nominations nominate you thank you will thank you the chair right we have second second thank you sir okay um Linda can we take these all together we have to do them all separately we can just say if the whole board agrees to this or anybody OB okay all right let's do that okay all right and then as far as election of Vice chair um I'd like to nominate you there you go okay do we have a second thank you sir okay and then as far as secretary is concerned um I would like to Greg I'd like to have you do it if if you'd be so honored to do it don't you don't have to do it I'm not sure what's about but not a lot okay not a lot side and make sure everything is just moving okay okay great accept Okay do I have a second thank you sir okay so Linda can we have a vote for the election of the officers sure uh myself as chair Whata and Greg is secretary please okay Vice chairwoman Bergen yes Bo member Wala yes Bo member patrino yes councilman yino yes Bo member D yes chairman too yes yes board member Butler yes thank you to everybody we appreciate big you put in us and letting us keep doing this so next on our agenda is the resolution for appointment of luse board legal council uh Mr C I appreciate everything you've done for the last year and I look forward to continuing to serving for the upcoming year if you'd be so pleased I would certainly be grateful to be here ijy as well and thank you for the important okay so do we have a uh a motion to accept make a motion okay thank you sir second thank you Linda we're gonna do everything together again can can we do that too or we have separate you could do all together so you can run that L I'd like to run the list I'd like to run the list all right um the second uh the Lu 25 d06 this Mr Michael Breeland to be the uh board engineer if you'd still be inclined thank you sir thank you um can I have a a motion for that please thank you sir and do I have a second second okay thank you and as far as 25-7 appointment of the L use board planner uh Mr Ed sankis if you'd be so kind thank you very much priv thank you we appreciate all your work too okay and do I have a mo thank you Frank and do I have a second Mr D thank you right and those okay so Linda can I have a uh a roll call a roll vote please for those three positions Lu 25- 05-06 and there 07 Vice chair woman Bergen yes board member Wala yes board member patrino yes councilman yino yes board member D yes chairman Sero yes mayor wasinski yes board member Butler yes thank you all right the next resolution is lub 25-8 time and place of L use board meetings for 2025 we were all provided a calendar we all discussed it um I believe we all accepted it but I have a modification that I would like to put before the board please in instead of the meetings starting at 7:30 I would like to start them at 7 o'clock and I'm I'm again I'm not I don't know everybody's schedule I don't know um if this creates a hardship for anybody um I personally for me I come out of New York but I usually trains don't get messed up I'm okay but I want to make sure that before we adopt this if there's any dis discussion or acceptance of starting the Mee at 7 instead of 7:30 I any discussion from board members 7 okay good good good all good okay all right and I will add the mayor can speak to this too we moved to our Council meetings to 7 o'clock as well yes thank you sir so can I have a motion please and and obviously the place is here so that hasn't changed okay uh the dates are remaining as Linda had published to us uh in a separate memo so and I have a motion to accept the schedule the place and the meeting starting at 7 o'clock um I have a motion for that please motion thank you sir all right Vice chair woman Bergen yes board member rala yes board member Petrino yes councilman yino yes board member d yes chairman s yes mayor wisinski yes board member Butler yes okay so Linda relative to that it's gonna have to be Ren noticed right yeah I'm gonna put it in the so it'll be Ren noticed and then I know that you were taking the uh initiative to send out meeting notices to everybody sorry yeah no no no no no no I appreciate I appreciate that coming in because it helps us well so I'm going to ask you to adjust that and then finish it out through the through the balance of here please okay yes all right the last the last part of this is resolution Luv 25-9 adoption of B with land use board um these really didn't change Council that they didn't change last year it didn't change we could just carry over the adoption May with the exception at time right uh for 2025 just carried over so the resolution could be considered a motion could be made to adopt them effectively the adoption is is misn or in a sense that they simply carried over from year-over year um and we can just move forward and proceed accordingly Bo okay all right so can I have a motion to to adop thank youw with the exception changing the meeting time okay thank you sir do I have a second second thank you Linda Vice chairwoman Bergen yes board member Wala yes board member patrino yes councilman garino yes board member Dow yes chairman Sero yes mayor wasinski yes board member but yes I think we've got everything then covered for our revie report okay all right any comments on anything that we just did from the board okay thank you than you seeing none we'll bring it back um next on the agenda is approval of the minutes for the December 16th and 18th L use board uh regular meetings I reviewed them I gave the some changes um I don't know if anybody there's any discussion on them okay seeing none uh can I have a resolution please to approve the minutes of December 16th and 18th 2024 land use board regular meeting thanks yep second I'll second thank you Vice chairwoman Bergen yes board member warala yes board member patrino yes board member D yes chairman Sho yes mayor wasinski yes board member Butler yes thank you all right so now we'll get into regular part of our meeting so Council I'm going to ask you please to comment based on uh uh the Calvary Lutheran Church resolution I believe you had some information fromal standpoint pleas I do so on the resolution that scheduled for adopted tonight for the Calvary Lutheran Church I had an opportunity at at length to speak a few times with the applicants Council he is is asking to word Smith a few Provisions related to whether or not he needs anything produced from D to satisfy conditions of the amended approval Mr geland and I had opportunity to confer as well um we we gave him a chance at two different sentences so far that were acceptable to us from a engineering and legal standpoint he said you know what let me think about it maybe we could word spit this a bit more do not adopt it this evening he's trying to avoid the situation where he has to come back and seek to amend a resolution potentially unnoticed if it relates to a condition of the approval it would be unnoticed so they've asked to carry this forward to the next hearing cycle we agreed to do that uh it's of no event to us do that we'll continue to work Mr verer in the interim and see whether or not we can agree on some language um it's there's really not much substance to the language but I understand his caution as to the way it's worded I think he understands our caution as to why we've worded it this way we'll see if we can maybe meet in the middle so this should be on for the February meeting uh you'll probably see an updated resolution draft whether or not it's changed we'll let the board know whether or not it's the same document or whether or not there is a red line to it and why for your consideration between now next meeting thank you sir there's nothing we have to do other than that yes okay all right any questions from the board on this seeing none um now we get into the public part of our meeting U First on our agenda Mr Snus I believe you have comments please on the amended land use plan amended plan for art master that is correct thank you thank you very much uh good evening board members mayor um what I have for the board this evening is a copy or A draft copy of the amended L plan I brought in a hard copy for you as well I know you just received this so the purpose for tonight what I'll do is to give you a quick overview of what the document has within it and to highlight certain things that might be of interest for you to review and then for us to schedule in the near future maybe a work session to discuss it a little bit further but Andor uh we can go right to a public session we find certain things are in order but yet I wanted to give the board this opportunity to just kind of give you an overview uh the document draft is dated January 14th I see that I have a lot of work to do on the members of the board uh based upon certain changes tonight so I'll make some changes to that page of the document itself thank you but I'll be using the table of contents more as an outline for you uh as far as what's in the document that's on page uh four of the document first off we give sort of the general overview but in section two we talk more about the emerging issues uh as it relates to land use in the burrow those are interesting points that are actually carried forward from the buyer land use plan and we brought it forward in order to maybe update a certain certain things within it and or bring any new things to light within that doc within that section excuse me and we talk about Regional issues as well as local issues so that's something of interest to the board you may want to review the text within there to see if there's anything else you may want to add as far as emerging issues but I thought I captured most things as I've seen them happen uh through the burrow Andor what we've seen occur in other municipalities such as warehousing things of that nature in order to talk about those specific topics for the board's information in addition to that we have the master plan goals and objectives and policies you know this because we did provide to the board except for M uh council person councilman yarina we did not you did not see the goals and objectives but yet on the goals and objectives in the document you'll see also a highlighted section of text that uh is located on page uh 12 of the document that identifies a new goal uh that talks about warehousing um and that would be something that I'd like you to take a look at see what you think of it um see if there's any tweaks that are necessary for that uh in accordance also with the municipal land use law your land use plan should include the land use categories within the municipality I think I touched on this before but just for purposes of recap uh the land use categories really summarize the various land uses within the community formulating a master plan or land use plan for where your zoning occurs within the municipality um so that should generally be consistent with your um your zoning ordinance although it Dives a little bit deeper in the map into what our public properties uh might be open space things of that nature in order to identify that from a land's perspective in addition to that we also do relationship to other plans we talk about the stage uh strategic plan the state plan is currently in draft form the New Evolution of everything since we started this document is that the New Jersey state plan there's a draft document that's available we're still trying to get a copy of where that's at in order for us to interact on that document and see if there's any recommended changes we would recommend to the state as to changes within as they might affect the burrow itself um what I'm talking about there is that they have certain land use classifications or growth areas that they've outlined mostly where we've been since the prior uh version of the uh state plan is that we've been in a pa1 or planning Metropolitan planning area designation that's where growth and development uh should occur although we'd like them to capture certain things like the celery farm and environmentally constrained areas that should be identified in the state plan as areas that should not be um in a growth area things of that nature so I'll be tying in with that uh component of the state plan we're doing this for multiple municipalities so I will be able to give you a lot of synopsis on that as it relates to the state plan but we have to according to rules we have to identify relationship to that plan as far as the landage plan is concerned obviously our timing may not coincide with the final document but at least we'll be addressing the uh status of the state plan and our relationship to it also the burden County master plan we've identified and then also relationship to other Master plans within the surroundings or zoning within the surrounding municipalities that surround Allen the purpose for that is really looking at relationships see just incompatible relationships between zoning and orl spatter the last section I'm sorry section six prior to the last section is the background analysis in this we sort of give snapshot updates uh from Census Data as to where the community is currently as it relates to local demographic changes whether they be uh the population the age of the population uh the any demographic changes since the last census in addition to that we look at housing changes what types of housing that may be uh within the community as well as what might have changed since the last census and then we look at economic profile changes uh to see if there's any issues that should be addressed uh within those cohorts and the last section is a mandatory section that talks about public electric vehicle infrastructure what that is really addressed is whether or not uh you should be planning for where public electric vehicle charging stations could be placed obviously the most prominent and maybe most appropriate locations would be your commuting areas where you have your commuter parking lots so that might be a location where we can start planning for the idea of adding additional electrical vehicle charging stations or maybe for commuters and to serve the general public um that's according to statute we have to have that in this document so I I took a correct stab at that that um open to any other recommendations this board may have and then in addition to that uh you've seen these two documents one is an existing land use plan map we provided that at the end of the document and then in addition to that a land use plan map that land use plan map is the physical form of the actual text that is provided in section four which is the land use categories that map shows the depiction and distribution of land uses within the community and so with that that um that really is the summary of the overall document um I don't I could go into more detail depending upon what the board's uh preferences but I understand you have a number of other items on the agenda so I thought I would at least let introduce the document to you tonight and then from there we can schedule a work session maybe just to go over it more detail any questions or recommendations to add to the document had us at that time Mr chairman thank you sir thank you um I just want I just want to be clear obviously the state isn't set yet so we don't really state plan the state plan what about B did you say Bergen County Bergen County has a new update to their master plan we did touch on what they have in there as far as goals and objectives it's really to look at what those goals and objectives might be and how they may or may not relate to the burrow I think they're all generally consistent with our goals as they stand right now which is like open space preservation of open space trying to encourage more sustainability in development patterns um looking at areas where growth may occur where it's trying to encourage downtowns to be more successful things of that nature um so that is something we're consistent with but as far as the new state plan it's hard because it's not adopted yet it's really UND draft form so really we've left sort of a a section in there that talks about its status but that we also identified um that we have General features that are consistent with prior statements within the state plan so if we were to move forward with us adop it was everything we have to do right um there's a possibility that we may have to revisit this in your opinion right how about that I'll put it that way in my opinion it may or may not cause us to have to amend this document further and a document can always be amended you can always amend the document further but at the same time your C of whether or not we should move forward or not um as to timing I would say not knowing what the state's timing is for their final adoption because there needs to we need to go through this cross acceptance process of interacting with the state through our uh various agencies um and the fact that this was supposed to be available back in April 1 and it really just came out just recently knowing there's a you know there's time that's required in this I would say let's not wait uh in my opinion let's just adopt this document if there is something of consequence that we uh find let's amend the document later it's not that hard to amend the document as it relates to that my recommendation would be for all of us to you know just read through this and see if there's any comments if we do have comments would you like us to email you or emails them to Mike and then he can send them all off to you it's probably best to send them through Linda Lind from a legal perspective okay but just so everybody has them and then maybe I come and I present them to the board and have we can have that conversation from just so everyone is getting it on the same way um yes Mar that's I agree with you I also know there's other people like yeah then a related component to this is the hazard vulnerability assessment study that document I'll have for you like over the next week or two okay and that will be a document that'll be a sister document to this um that will show how we are are addressing issues of Hazard vulnerability um just out of curiosity and it maybe on based to this thing but given them what we're seeing going on in Cal is there anything we might want to consider for this it's and what we saw here in the fall right right as we saw certain things happen in nearby locations it's something where we did and it's interesting I first started with this and the hazard vulnerability assessment studies are new as I first started with this you remember Might Recall me saying you know it didn't seem probable now we're seeing that potentially certain things can be a condition um but yet I think more importantly what we're more susceptible to is smoke impact of smoke and things of that nature Plus at the same time we should be looking at our forested areas to see if in fact there needs to be some betting of uh not under story but underbrush underbrush that they called underbrush underbrush it's also uh uh detrius or fall leaves things of that nature uh to see if any of that be managed in some way I think what's more important is that we look at our region and see where the impacts might be from a regional perspective uh probably not on a local scale because we don't necessarily have if you had a number of state parks or uh count Parklands that were of substantial size then I would start to think that that's probably a more important feature to be interative with with the haard vulnerability site I think more importantly it's the issue of smoke impacts of that whether or not there's any centers that we can set up for temporary purposes we do have an oem plan uh that the county requires of all municipalities I know that's being currently reviewed and vetted um so what we will have is something that maybe contrib rutes to that type of a document so yeah it's it's surprising and uh it makes you think Perhaps Perhaps just to close just to close that out I know that you touch on other towns here I'm curious just went to that said bars Parks right we know B has okay so I'd be curious to see perhaps look into what they're doing if there are that was fit down on absolutely for that and it's interesting this is such a new element of the master plan we we are interested in seeing what others are coming up with because we're all sort of trying to figure out exactly from a municipal perspective what we can be doing I think we were C here sir like October yeah locally this whole all right and the final the final thing too um we kept talking about electric okay just kind of thinking ahead because you know we've done this I've done this with few times through and we've gone through and tried to look forward hydrogen or some other I don't know if you want to put it under or alternative FS that's what I used was more than alternate Fels recommendation okay in the docum from the go and objective standpoint but yet in the hazard vulnerability study that's where that specific stage is still in there so as part of your master plan which is what that document would be you have that covered okay so it is in there but we could make make it redundant in order for it to be clear because things get lost over the years maybe it might not hurt it might not hurt might not hurt might not hurt especially some some what we had looked at some other electric other electric things being discussed all right absolutely um board members I G to read it yeah yeah okay so please um board please read through this please direct question s what that dat all right thank you thank you very much okay next on our agenda chairman yes I'm sorry Mr yes hi hi say your name Joseph con Solly swear or affirm to Solly SL our that I will support the Constitution of the United States and I will support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New Jersey and the Constitution C and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and I will bear true faith to the same and to the governments established in the United States and in this state and to the government established in the United States and the state county and Township County and Township under the authority of the people under the authority of the people and that I will faithfully impartially and justly perform and I will faithfully and partially and justly perform all the duties of this office as member of the burough of alale lus board all the duties of this office as a member of the alale ands board according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability so help me guide so thank you thank you thank you thanks thank you okay yeah yep okay so next on our agenda is application file number 20 24-15 Brett benowitz and Sandy Jabo sorry jabado 43 Colonial Drive Allendale 0741 lock 1206 lot 14 the application is for an addition and a covered uh patio pursuant to 27064 a parentheses 2 and 27037 a parentheses 2 this is being carried from the meeting of November 13 2020 welcome if you both going to testify which I assume you might it' be easier that way so if you want to mind both are raising your right hand um well actually first let's state your name for the record if you could spell your last name so we can capture on the record please one and mayor we'll qualify you you'll give your qualification short for now let's just get you sworn in so could you both please raise your right hand you both swear or affirm the testimony you're about to provide with the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you may proceed and and if you're going to start we just get your qualification I know you testified for war year but but just to get on the record for the sake of it yeah current and in good standing as always thank you all present so we're um um are very the Lower Side of the thater corner why that that e questions from the board record on you out in prox in proximity get to the property line just north of you and then I guess the closes perhaps the closest that you're going to be if you can just go over those dimensions [Music] that property that property the highest part of the condition come is there current screening around be be exposed to the neighbors okay thank sh to the right question so the shed just to be clear shed and then the two as you said two box asn't write as any other questions for board Michael I I don't really have much to add Mr chairman I mean it's it's a one story Edition it's a certainly a unique shape piece of property on the far side of the house is that easan along with the the stream flood flood plane flood Hazard area that certainly limits the options uh where a addition could go again like I said it's a one story Edition that's G finish similar to the existing structure I did one note that this could be the first half where I've seen a down spout match painted to match the uh under under under side of the of the roof so that you I guess when you look up you don't notice it so I would imagine cam will be taken to make sure that the addition matches the resents uh you know a primary concern we had was you know making sure that the pool equipment was not going to be located to create a Nuance to the neighbor sounds like they're going to that around to the back go closer to the property line considering the other side towards the other side of the house there yeah there's a there's a there's an easement on the other side of the house along with the brug stream that would prevent anything from being really constructed of the opposite side of that so repr praising what you just said in your opinion we're building something like this best location I think it's a reasonable location and and I think given the fact that it's a one story Edition that going to be finished similar to the existing house I I think it's to beable sir we we we'll pull you off okay for for comments but thank you no thank you I appreciate that um all right board members any other questions okay all right now I will open it up sir please to the public for comments questions or anything on what you heard or or comments on this application you come up and say your name please thank you we'll have to get you on your name on the record and assuming so let's get your name on the record first you spell your last name provide an address please okay so I assume that you will do more than just ask questions so you can ask questions of the applicant based upon their direct testimony they offer tonight you can also offer comments let's assume you're going to do one we have to s you went sir please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony provideed with the truth the hold truth or nothing but the truth thank you please proceed sir yeah so there's no questions comment where nine people the impact our backyard there we always knew house very close already over the now our concern is already I think that you know a couple of you know the bottom L is of nice thing about this room a lot of trees around so basically we can't see any of it and I think our issue is the future someone comes in yeah you have a great if there would no way there or the other out for help helpful on your plan Mr mirandy you may be able to see it there you actually call out a pinch point between structure to structure distance I believe on your plan set yeah from proposed addition to the structure at that pinch point so there's a dimension there maybe not help Mr Mandy but but it's a nice illustration to show um the distance okay you did work on our house previous owners had issues with page they went to the town bottom line is we spent thousands of Dos our cage setep back already already m for I don't know mentioned it there but it seems like it cuts almost into the center of that eement and then gets even closer off the center L of the U the considering the FL with blood problems that we had fall I don't know what the set facts are from that Brook if they changed like get closer there yeah I mean this we had substantial rain that imped a lot of the area yeah this I mean the stream encroachment line is that's the tax m is from the old yeah flood Hazard area regulations establish FL Wes flood planes buff I would imagine that you know what's Illustrated here like I said it representative what the old pools are but uh new R set almost every circumstance additional buff beond that's what I'm saying so even if we were looking at the other side I don't that line doesn't really depict where the the new stream encroachments are which will probably lot closer to that sidey [Music] more aligning building e but kept the room size turn windows then that would start to change some of the and maybe but the back I know you're sacrificing window I know I know you're and I guess just for clarification look at A1 existing dwelling setback is roughly 20 fet set back proposed addition itself would be roughly 20 ft set back to the uh the stairs right the attachment stairway that's actually 18 ft and located closer to the property line [Music] what is that that kind of shielded by anything just to and I know there's that on the side like toy you know like movement on that yeah I guess I I mean I was I guess I was thinking out for kitchen side of the which you think it' be more maybe more Central to where they're their kitchen although I don't just trying to think Shield I don't know that's actually going to be my question what if you get there that's what we e e be the addition of the 15 by 11 17 that room functions as what in the floor plan living okay I understand the window package that you have in the in the playroom you know uh you want to have Windows there but how you explored the addition as you show it's sliding over to meet the current kitchen wall and just lessen the impact to the right side you know property that that's fair you know and then obviously that help the outdoor kitchen all sliding over almost Mar making that whole side just just like you're drawing straight eliminate the stairs keep they could relocate the stairs or relocate or relocate or relocate stair Yeah okay or relocate the stairs no any other questions or comments no I mean my preference would be going to show picture if you you could come back also um perhaps show some Landscaping okay so that we so that we could all do that as well yes they would be available I don't well that that's the next question thank you how are we in February could be March so um I have's the March 19th okay no if um if you were really quick we have a continuation of application and then we have one was other questions well that's yeah um all right sorry you have any additional questions no okay all right thank you all right any other members of the public with any questions what your heard okay none bringing it back to the board board questions as as to very requested here please anybody okay John no I think looked at that box in the back slide it over that's a big piece of there that changes the bathroom access as well and I think at least OPP you'll have so we're gonna we're going to work okay all right so we'll work for the February meeting Linda sorry we're g all right we're gonna try and plan for this for the February meeting to carry yeah going to R notice we'll have to confirm tonight so please I guess we're carrying to February with the caveat you may not get reached you may come in February and be kicked back out the door and then another date will be announced and Mr Mandy for your purpose anybody else here that's here on behalf ofex for this application you will not get another notice in the mail there won't be another certified mailing there won't be another publication the periodical tonight is going to be your announcement for you to make a note to return should you desire to that next meeting for now it's anticipated to be the February Linda what is the date in February 12 February 12th February 12th at 7 p.m. our new time in 7 p.m. that's right right thank you thank you thank you okay all right e yeah no just put it on all right we're switching we're switching up the agenda the next on our agenda is going to be applicant file 20-20 2024 D 13 Lewis Clemens 65 New Street Allendale 07401 block 22 204 lot 17 is a proposed Second Story Edition on an existing dwelling front yard sweat back front sorry front yard setback pursuant to 27022 27057 b and 27037 a parentheses 4 is carried from the December 16th 2024 meeting so Council welcome back Happy New Year hope you're feeling better yes pleas my voice as okay all right so um Mr yino is going to recuse myself from the following two applications in the remainder of the meeting as I was not present for the previous okay thank you sir okay happy New Year thank you um you go ahead and get started we know while you left you were trying to work with the board for a tweak you're your your expert so far we've had your architect testify he's been swor and qualified um we'll take very good then we can move forward Dale so please just by way of background PR all of these issues that we have done or I call arit several internal SES allow us even though we had just firm that we would work with your engineer that similarly so i' like to have neigh right there that's good it should be okay so well okay UST just that just Second Story so so basically this looks right here showing the existing with exception I guess of the re the bump out the correct I'm just but to be clear right the footprint of the the foundation of the that the current and what you're depicting here in the cross is the Second Story Edition right even even prob it's still anach perhaps cting I about do anything I think I think all we've marked was a one of the last meeting G we be up to A2 we'll mark this today's game e goad that which frch and you wouldn't see the brid first you know the design where it was all monity it's scale back on so I after back I you know onent in okay ready e e right consideration given shorten the porch front the frontage being reduced I thought one of the discussions was porch miate there I guess 16 if the for for short miate that problem Sugg in other words P ended before House St yeah and then that takes care of that that issue and it's really it's a porch that sort of dead ends out finish at the start of the plus you got another sidewalk you have the sidewalk to driveway so it does you sidewalk that's a two story part against that would that would eliminate the 16 and potentially you can move the walkway closer board m uh point is that it seems like this forch just kind of ends there's [Music] so you have six columns across the front of the house you you have six columns across the front of the house if you were to stop it and take home okay limiting your last two in front of the garage in front of the garage thank e all comments on that I I yeah I mean it doesn't serve a purpose it really just the applicat avable to that that change that would right no I think U I think the changes are positive Umar good I just would would like to make sure that if we do move ahead that in that back I guess North corner on New Street there that there isn't any type of accessory such as maybe a generator or anything that goes in that spot that it kind of stays open so that there is no nothing the changes are all right any other questions all right I am now going to open this up to the public to comment on the testimony that you just heard just please up state your name Christ Keller Mr Keller this will be just questions of the applicant's witness at this time based on a testimony you heard tonight you have comments you have comment there'll be time so there'll be a time at the conclusion of the application where you come back up because we'll have to swear you in for that Mr Keller and you come up B if that's thank you sir thank you okay any other questions all right seeing done I bring it back to the board I have plan suggest we're do the diet coke version of the planning testimony yeah I just want to get it very all right thank you yeah CER how are you sir um you as well um would you please take your name for the record Sir Michael he Mr CER do you sarir the testimony you're about provide the truth TR nothing about the truth I do thank you sir heard out not Mak if you line 0 from measure line that line from the Street obviously that creates a shaped overally provide on a probably not thaty but on average miates I think that's a significant factor further in addition to the made furthermore this application somewh Noy that it's not consistent family St Story character take a r somewher count 14 home Stu S one additional one the stories which that cont that's another mitigating factor and it produces a kind of significant C2 where benefit outweigh detction the benefit did not endure to the app it must benefit neighbor by becoming more consist we achieve a benici beneficial effect the other aspect of support the is that it must be consistent with the objectives and purposes not only but America and indeed by becoming more compant with what ST productivity the uh factor of height Perfection I don't TW that based upon all of those projects I can see no detrimental pursu of the application particularly within the framework of what has been modified and added or subtracted from the as a result of the interest and as a of certainly they're very reion this kind in some not opposite and more than more importantly they don't have General consist Allis we have the burden of demonstrating POS that your a conf of satisfaction netive with reference to the purpos thank you board members question being done um so I'm opening up to the public for any questions of the witness he see done I bring it back to the board I Mr chairman I can make one quick please yeah that's okay um you know we heard the discussion about the front yard setback I just wanted to clarify for board the reduction the gross building area now based on our calculation has made side guard setback conforming and and I think I heard testimony indicating that I just wanted to point out that the required sidey setback on the B schedule covery the plan still reflects the previous application and then that should be reduced and and it's our opinion that it's a conforming condition so the only variance that are being so off the apprach yes one more time any questions right um members of the public we've been through this I think the third meeting now so you heard all the testimony all the comments now with the opportunity please fre to come up St your name and provide testimony questions on the application as AO please than sir thank you 189 K I was here in November we have swear you and Mr tell to make a statement now do you please raise your right hand sir you swear or affirm the testimony you provide with the truth the whole truth nothing about the truth please proceed sir I November Express hearing person I no longer have that objection modification satisfying thanks thank you sir any other members of the public okay bring it back have I'm sorry name please sir would you please raise your right hand you swear or affirm the testimony you provide will be the truth the truth nothing about the truth thank you sir please proceed I just want to clarify statement hearing about the two story nature of the neighborhood and one question my mind per my else in the public done I bring it back to the board make it will come back to me if it's not done so I don't represent I would ask bfac negative to S all your question I just wanted I want to thank M price for I did share the same feelings that probably Mr Keller and Mr Zer did in the first hearing it you know just by way of the way it was presented uh the way we started was thankfully the way we ultimately did not end and your efforts are certainly recognized and I thank you guys for really presenting the application the way they should be presented because we didn't start that way so so thanks for that and and there's been significant improvements um that I think do work with the property and and and the obstacles and challenges that they face with the house being uh built on a on an angle and I'm I'm satisfied with everything they've done certainly the effort the board members um from my site here I I I can't really add much more to that I mean I think this it's a huge improvement from the first first presentations that were made here um I'm very familiar with this neighborhood place to live in the neighborhood um you know I recognize we have properties throughout the the town that are you know skewed I know the house across the street is skewed as was pointed out um I'm I'm pleased that we're not looking to um increase the footprint in other words the foundation will still remain as it currently is um I am satisfied with with the changes that were made especially that we like cutting the porch a little bit to to the comments that Mr reand has made um when you know we'll have this whole the usual as built on the site work I just want to be sure that the that the dryw well is an acceptable amount that vate yeah we will we will work with generally we look for three in of rain on the tributary okay youest okay all right um I know that there was a question this might just be splitting errors through here but I know there was a question about um Arbor vities and shielding I noticed that there were nine arbores that were put in there um I fil and is the up on last page I mean h forgive me I I don't want to take up more time here trying to find it but I do see the nine called out that I see okay and a 60 inch wide M bed Michael do you feel I I'm G have to defer it to you I've been up there for years I I think that's enough but yeah you run the risk if you put more in competing with each other okay it look like I don't know Frank look like you were better make I was going to say to bring like whatever obviously your office recommends I would Define with whether there's nine that you know straight across or whether they were staggered or I would I would just like maybe the applicant's comfortable with it you know this is obviously on a flat piece of paper that maybe the final settings made in the field you know see what they're going to look like they're going to ACH the objective okay all right um I'm okay then go out that I saw so again one more time anybody on the board any comments questions okay all right um all right um is there a motion uh from board members to approve this application as presented with all of the caveat that Mr C will have the agreements with with Council based on the plans that we have in all vestil cocc over the last few meetings but again specifically to the changes and the modifications that made like plans presented to us two nights I'll make a motion with with the conditions and I I just want to emphasize that in that back of corner that nothing gets placed there that could be added to the uh as one of the conditions we have that in there already G I'll share with you the draft to make sure everything is accurate for get adopted but we do have that in there that nothing will be developed by way of accessory structures along the new Street Frontage thank you yes yes yes yes yes may yes Butler yes yes good luck good luck and thank you and thank you for all the changes of okay e all right all right moving on to the final part of our agenda uh we're going to application 2024 D6 Daniel and CLA Clark 95 Midwood Avenue uh Allendale block 20008 lot two application new front porch second floor Edition pursuant to 27037 parentheses Day 2 2764 C parentheses 2 and 27063 parentheses 3 this is carried from the November 13th meeting um taking into consideration questions and comments that we had uh and Sir again we got this very important no we don't Mr Clark I had a colleague of mine you're Mr Clark I presume yes um I had a colleague of mine at that last meeting my notes reflect your professional was sworn in qualified were you also sworn in sir at that meeting you recall okay so you were all sworn in so you all remain under oath um and your qualifications remain in good standing and licenses are current and active never know we gotta ask so I'm satisfied be very good absolutely so Gentlemen please proceed uh this continuation of the prior hearing assume everything from that record is carrying forward to this meeting this evening and you gentleman make it continue are Rao [Music] in addition to that as far as are building are very with for open por also we were we weren same ex open for another we changed um I should Chang I should mention theage and basically renovate the RO at this point of that off ex there are a door that comes into the existing garage at the ex down the stairs the very wait sorry can you just tou on I'm looking at I'm looking at Z3 I'm looking at Z3 I'm sorry I was Fus on the door you said move the door on Z but Z2 shows it you look at the highlighted and the lighter line shows are just moving over yeah that's what that's okay no no no that's fair that's what that's where the door okay okay um I mean we're we're not not increasing okay well 19 oh we not don't have I guess I guess what you're saying is in theory you're you're not changing the height of the garage back and it's just on the back'll never know anything okay yeah just just just to clarify thank you you sh sh bger decided to do by part of the shed basically take away the rest big expensive renov so again looking at yeah that's what looking at it the left hand side it's better shap yes and you plan to leave that not moving just that whole thing help the existing when you said applic but there is a Shad property to the West see this yeah SL that's guess and this is this is going to be a new document that you're introducing so we'll have to mark this as an exhibit yeah we'll mark it up so we'll mark it as as applicant exhibit at A1 we'll call today's dat January 15th you can leave your Z4 ref just this is for our record we're going to reference it as A1 are we gonna keep that board Lind the fullsize board no the handouts yeah you don't you don't need to mark your um M exhibit MBE your have the whole so let's let's mark those it's two photos and it's multiple copies of so we can mark that collectively as A2 series of photos two Originals I know you mentioned you reduced are ratio what was that right right2 and now it's no really appreciate at this again and the F so I just have to that well three yeah you're you're I'm talking about percentage sorry not but you're required is 24.6 is 27.3 right right so it's less than three like how much would that I don't know what they what that to what is that equ to percent Wise It's So Close 325 16 2 this important testimony that we have on the record please that I'm sorry we're not pressuring having on N it's important for us to know that did there a little bit there's two slightly different photos just kind move the camera a little bit um and it's not called out not it's not a game Breer just curious I just saw in the pictures you have then R you get you got to rip it down you're G to replace it to the right I'm assuming that you would take the part looking at the ho to the right hand side yes obviously you need that to to expand house okay but are you piing the are you going to place it what do you just what do you thinking yeah I think there but I think we would probably want to we have that's why obvious yeah okay all right and there's no there's no fence on the other side and no Forst there's a gate there is a gate okay is that where is that where it's depicted 4.4 EX or is it toward the back oh it's behind the AC yeah okay so it's where it's roughly where the 15.6 is called out yeah okay a littleit little bit and that's proposed to remain you know that's not going to be fun okay so therefore when everything is said and done your way um the whole property as fenced in right now will being fenced in that's again not a deal breaker just trying to understand where you guys um anyways what part um again that's what he cares just another curios um your your your future patio is that that rounded for any reason it's just there it's just depicted okay okay okay all right okay because it doesn't seem to affect anything measur or like we be than 31.3 Bas with using that 300 looks like just hold we do closer but this members any other question okay Michael Michael I mean I looked at the numbers and Revis plans and confirmed they did reduce the square footage which you know reduces the G building Rao it does look like you're no longer increasing the height of the garage if primary concern of the board you know the prox part of the structure you know the property put Second Story addition on it concern about ening space one of the things I know there was there was vegetation on left hand side when when right what's in there what's your neighbor to the left they come in you guys have stri I don't know if that was on the their property for the Neighbors is only four it's only four off the property right that was that was one the I asked a question about t yeah okay but I seem to remember that there was a concern you guys remember anything about this all right same NE there was one recently in the same neigh okay I me we would obviously be concerned about are discharge believe storm would now given the increase in impervious coverage there plan s requirement look at the area request request that something should F not only from the the house but I think given the fact that they're making changes they're proposing changes to the shed given location the shed respect to the property lines should be consideration of you know what kind of run off comes on the shed Yeah the code requires a lot a soil we plot plan F so that'll that'll all be that would all be addressed in the and sub important we had our our typical condition questions regarding colors the cam equipment at fighting I don't I don't remember given the time that's passed if got we have to got through all that would satisfaction why don't you regress it so we had okay any question so the plans are beautiful but did you consider right I mean I stared at that that you look at photos front of the property there telephone and there's a massive current IDE beity yeah I would add your numbers didn't have to add number as much could been tighter far event I get it yeah absolutely any other questions from the board all right open it up to the public seeing none I bring it back discussions okay uh seeing and hearing n i um listen I know it's the second time you've been here okay I I I agree I appreciate what you're do here okay you know we understand the properties in that area Okay um listening to the board taking consideration you guys sat through a couple things right you know um and you hear you know you hear BL board operates the questions that we ask and I think you guys have done a great job I think you blew it on take it from what so uh all kidding s having said that U I'm appreciative of what you and I understand I would want to take down a TR I mean Mr Dallas Point you know perhaps would for proper terms but I think what the best thing be done board members um do I have a motion to uh to approve with again all the caveats that Mr C has written down as the applicant has agreed to um is there anything else that we were missing not seeing any can I have a motion to approve please do I have a second yes yes yes yes yes yes good Lu so next meeting we go through resolution you can start doing what you need to do get into the building office but you know next meeting read the resolution like H some okay off that's the official that's the official the memorializing document which captures the approv terms and conditions you will get a copy of that document and then from there you can move towards resolution if there is any sound like any plan reconciliations going to be needed and then you can move towards the building department at that point just time the ground all right thank you and thank you for feel better understand switching we have certain board members that have to that's why we switched it up yeah and put you guys to all right and you can see all all right Mr Clark I'll give you back a bunch of these photos you can have fun with all the duplicates and we're gonna keep this two the board for the record okay the rest are we have two unique ones there was two unique ones in that yeah get dizzy try to see which one got thank you sir yeah okay everybody I'm I'm G to I got to open this up to the public for any comments questions seeing none I bring it back um any other business um Tyler's not here so he's goingon to be the lays on tell got goes on so obviously he's left um I just want to say once again thank you for everything looking forward to a productive year again 7 o'clock starts 9:30 hopefully it's time will be out of here give or take and that's it any other questions comments motion to adjourn second thank you all in favor right thank you very much see you guys next month appreciate it