Just giving a minute for everybody to join. Have any of you heard from Zoe? Know if she's going to be here tonight? >> I have not. >> Did she send in her ranking? >> She did. And actually she em me as well.
I just noticed. >> We'll give her just a minute to see if we can figure out how to get her in. and I did just forward the credit card stores to everybody. What was the deadline for this cycle?
Um, >> we actually >> Oh, I see. >> I have the schedule, but um >> January 23rd. Okay. I was just looking to see when you application was 5 minutes.
>> Okay, I got it. >> And for what it's worth, they have pushed the deadline for the full application. So, we may actually have time for another hearing if we need to. We have to double check what they pushed it to, but right now we have um schedule for March
uh five. >> Yes. So, I guess the question would be if we >> Here we go. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Um, okay. So, we're everybody's here, so let's
get started. Um, we didn't have everybody here last time, so we didn't vote for a chair. So, I was wondering if we wanted to try to do that right quick first before we go into discussions. >> We We can try.
I know that there was a uh nomination put forward last time for Zoe, so I was wondering how she felt about that. Oh
um I've given it some thought. You know, it has been an incredibly challenging time at work. So um for us you know I'm um so you know my original inclination was to say no um but if it means you know that
we can get this group sort of uh sorted and you know and and together you know and and back to some rhythm you know and if there are no alternatives then I'll take this on. >> Awesome. That'd be great.
>> Very nice of you. No. Yes. I kind of missed, you know, you know, some of the processes that we had before because it kept me, you know, some um in line. So, you know, if it means that we can get this, then I can give it a try.
>> Yeah. I mean, we only have a couple more hearings with the application and then we'll have a couple over the summer, but it's not going to be a huge load at this point, I don't think. >> Sure. You know, but um I may be needing some training, you know, for you know, next year. you know, language and things
along those lines, but yeah. >> Well, does somebody want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion um to uh vote for Zoe as chair. >> I'll second >> call or can I call? Uh, yeah. I guess
you don't have a chair, so anybody. >> Everybody in favor? >> Yes. >> I All right. >> Thank you. >> Great. There you go. >> There you go. Yes. What a process. Yes. Thank you. >> Um, >> thanks, Ellen.
>> All right. With that being said, um I was thinking that we could give each of the organizations who are here like fiveish minutes to give a little overview of their project and then we can enter into deliberations. But before that starts, I want to apologize to
everybody. I somehow missed getting the Craig's Doors application onto the website. So it has not been reviewed by the committee. So, we may end up pushing the vote to a a future meeting to make sure that they get fully reviewed and are included in the process. Um, I just
forward it to all of you um so you can review it when you get a chance and hopefully someone's hear from them to discuss the project. Um, in since I didn't put down an order, we
are going to go in the order I have them on my list. So, is uh hold on. Laura, did you have a question? Uh Laura, I unmuted you. >> Uh I'm not muted.
>> Yeah, we can hear you. Do you have a question? Uh, I'm sorry I hit raise hand because in the past that's how we've we've gone. But if you're going specific order, >> that's fine, too. >> Okay, just to keep it simple, I think I'm just going to go with the order I have on my list.
>> That's fine. Yeah, it's just where it used to be. >> So, we're going to start with the Ammer Survival Center. Um, raise your hand if you would like to be promoted to panelist. Zoe, would you like me to um keep track
of the time for five minutes? >> That sounds, you know, that sounds great. Thank you. >> Bring my bots, too. >> All right, I've got Carlen. Anybody else for Ammer Survival Center?
>> Hi. >> All right. >> Thank you. Um, thank you so much for offering us this opportunity to share information about the Amoris Survival Center for your consideration for this year's uh, funding. We're excited to be
here. And am I able to share my screen? I did come with some a little bit of graphics. >> Is that okay? >> You should be able to be able to. Yes. >> That's great.
>> Okay. See if I can make this work. Okay, terrific. Are you able to see my screen or just me? >> We're not able to see your screen your screen yet. >> Okay, let me try again. >> Take a look at the settings. Just make sure. >> Share.
>> There we go. >> How's that? >> Perfect. >> Good. Okay, fantastic. Thank you so much. Um again, I we appreciate your time and your consideration of the Ammer Survival Center um for CDBG funds this year. Um, many of you are well acquainted with the Survive Center. So,
I'll be quick in just reviewing who we are. We are first and foremost a a community center that helps meet the needs of area residents with regard to food security, other community services. Um, we affectionately call it a one-stop
shop for many in our our community. But what we've applied for is for CDBG funding for our food pantry, which is our largest program that serves Ammeris residents. Um, so in a nutshell, this is who we are with regard to all of the
programs that we do have offered. Our food pantry offers 14 days worth of food to every person in the household. People can access our food pantry by either coming in and doing a full choice shop. They may also receive delivery or they can pick up their food by curbside,
whichever way is most available to them and best meets the needs of their families. Now, we service 13 towns and again, Ammerst residents are the largest percentage of the participants of our food pantry. But for those who come to the survival center outside of those 13
towns, we have other resources that can help them as well, including a weekly free medical clinic for those in our community who are experiencing homelessness. We have showers, lockers, and laundry facilities. And we provide assistance with signing up for SNAP or
fuel assistance or many of the other ways in which connecting people to housing, jobs, stuff like that. We also offer a daily fresh, wonderfully delicious, hot lunch um four days a week, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday to either be eaten inhouse or also
takeaway. You can eat in-house and take away. Um and then we have fresh food distribution outside in our fabulous shed where people can access fresh produce, breads, sweets. So, nobody will walk away from the Emmer Survival Center on any given day without, you know, hopefully a full stomach and a full
bunch of food. So, our goal has been and continues to be getting more food to more people. And what I've got here for you is a snapshot of calendar year 2025 where we provided
1.3 million meals. And of the 10,700 plus neighbors, 6,000 of those were Amoris residents. And the little blue graphic on the side lets you see that from the year 2020 to the current 2025
or past year 2025 that need for our food pantry has continued to grow amongst our Ammeris residents. We thought that there might be a plateau after the COVID pandemic. However, we have seen that just continue to increase. Of course, as
we all know, due to rising costs of food, housing, fuel, just about everything, people are being pinched and it's a very rational, logical choice for our Ammerst residents to access our food pantry to help help in any way that they can.
So, this is the Ammerst impact at a glance. Um, 54% of the individuals we serve are Ammerst residents. of the in unduplicated individuals in 2025, 56.75% were Amish residents and we distribute
distributed close to 800,000 pounds of food to our Amish residents in 2025. We delivered to over 500 households um in Ammerst, excuse me, 500 individuals and then 132 of those identify as
seniors, 65 plus and over 130 of those are children. Providing one's demographic information with regard to um race and ethnicity is completely optional for our food pantry. But those who have chosen to share Ammeris residents who have chosen to
share that information, 53% identify as bipok individuals, 23% as Hispanic or Latino, 22 Caucasian, 26% choose not to identify, and about 2.6% 6% um choose
other which can mean mixed race, you know, whatever people feel comfortable doing. We want to make sure that we don't require certain things because we want the access point to food to be as low a threshold as possible so that people feel comfortable every step of the way using using our services.
One of the biggest impact points um that is hard to share without spending more than the five minutes we're allotted are the stories that people tell us. And we're able to capture many of these in our annual pantry survey where people are generous enough to give us what the
food pantry means to them as an Ammeris resident and as a member of our community. And several of these basically indicate really how it meets that need at crucial moments of their life, but in addition, it provides them
a sense of belief, a sense of belonging, and that we are an organization that has a welcoming atmosphere that reduces stigma and allows people to get what they need when they need it without fear. um and to find the things that are important to them, including a
culturally diverse range of foods in um ways that are language accessible to them as well. >> Thank you very much, Carlen. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> How do I stop staring? Stop sharing. >> I think I'm not okay. I think we're
okay. Yes. Let's see it. Okay, perfect. So, thank you, Carlen. Um, we are going to move on to Big Brothers, Big Sisters. Um,
Hi everyone. >> Hello. >> Hello. I'm Susan Niccastro, the director of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Hampshire County. Um, so wonderful to have this opportunity today. So, thank you all so much for um for giving us this chance to share a little bit more about Big
Brothers Big Sisters. Is it okay if I share my screen to um Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay, great. Okay. Can is this first slide visible to everyone? >> Yes, >> I can see it. Yep. >> Great. Wonderful.
So, yeah. So, um I'm again very happy to have this opportunity to share about Big Brothers Big Sisters with you all tonight. Um, and just um just including some of um we've updated this with some of our more recent photos with um with our matches um who are um continu
continuing to um create and support um one-to-one mentoring relationships here in um Hampshire County with the majority being in Ammerst. And hold on, let me just get to my next slide here.
Um and yeah, we're so pleased to have the opportunity to request um $37,000 from the town of Ammerst to and to expand mentoring opportunities for children and youth in Ammerst. Um and that's uh fully aligned with our mission to create and support one-to-one mentoring relationships that ignite the
power and promise of youth. Um this you funding has been critical to our operations for many years. So this um opportunity to again request support from Ammer CDBG um is very meaningful to our team and the the continuation of our
um of the work that we're doing. So we provide amorous children facing adversity and that can be many different types of adversity that the children we serve face um ages 6 to 18 and um you know the mentoring that we provide we're you know looking to provide strong and
enduring mentoring relationships that result in a variety of gains for the children that we serve including higher aspirations greater self-confidence um improved relationships avoiding um risky behaviors and educational success. So um
yeah, there's a whole variety of u mentoring of benefits that we know mentoring has both in the short and long term. Um and you know our long-term goals include increasing the likelihood that our mentors uh our mentees will um become what we would you know the
varieties of personally and professionally successful adults. Um and you know the kind of at the heart of the work that we're doing is believing in the transformational power of mentoring relationships and the many different kinds of benefits that that brings to children including um healthy social,
emotional and cognitive development and yeah so again just you know the you know that mentoring is something that you know we talk about as an evidence-based strategy. has a long history of of um you know the research showing the benefits that mentoring has
and yeah so our you know we're um continuing to grow and flourish um you I think we're we're well positioned to meet the goals that we outlined in our proposal. We've already um for this current fiscal year we've um served 84 children uh many in our community uh
community matches um and then there's also uh 24 in our sitebased matches um and you know so we have including you know we've expanded our sitebased mentoring to now include um three elementary schools and one of them is
Wildwood Elementary School in Ammerst. Um, we always have a significant amount of uh, children and youth on our waiting list and we're continuing to recruit year-round new Ammeris space volunteers to serve Ammerst youth. Um, and part of the way our program
works is that we provide match support throughout um, the time that people are matched with us through monthly check-ins for the first year of the match, then becomes quarterly check-ins that every match has their own case manager that's available to provide um, support of any kind anytime the um, the
match um, needs it. And you know regardless case mentors are case managers are always checking in with their matches just to find out how things are going to help solve any challenges that may be arising and um to ensure that everyone is uh having a good
experience. Um we also offer a variety of activities throughout the year. Most of those are take place in Ammerst. So activities from you know canoeing to fishing to hiking to our gingerbread party at UMass. Many more things. Um we
continue to have very strong connections throughout with many partners that are Ammeris based most significantly our partnership with UMass Ammerst um the community engagement and service learning um connection for over 20 years we've had a collaboration with UMass
where um prospective mentors can join a class for academic credit and be matched um with a young person in Ammerst. Um, so that's one of our very powerful uh collaborations that's continuing to grow and flourish. Um, again, that our new
lunch buddies program at Wildwood is our um, you know, is a a new expansion of our sitebased programming and that's going to be continuing moving forward um, into 2026 and beyond. >> So, thank you very much, Susan. >> Oh, yes. You're welcome.
Thank you again. And anything I need to do to step aside or >> Nope. >> Thanks so much everyone consideration. >> Um all right. Okay. So, now we've got
family outreach. Um, looks like one person for family outreach, right? >> Francine is here too. Oh, >> okay. Let's see. There she is. I don't know how to put this. Let's see.
Where's my I feel stupid, but I don't know where my put my Oh, video. Yay. Hello. H Ah, here we go. >> Hello. Hello. >> We see you. >> Thank you.
Um, thank you so much for taking this time to hear us. Um, Family Outreach of Ammerst has been serving uh residents of Ammerst for 35 years. My name is Laura Reichman. I'm the director of Family Outreach. Um,
Francine Rodriguez is uh the program manager at Family Outreach. Um, I'll be um retiring this coming year. Uh and Francine has been here for more than 20 years and is will be transitioning into
my my position. So uh she also is the one that provides the services s supervises the case workers on this project which is the housing support community support program. Um,
we've been serving families in lots of ways for a very long time. And I, um, have to share with you that I hate the term now more than ever. Your support is needed now more than ever because from the moment that I started as a
caseworker in at family outreach almost 34 years ago, it's always needed that support, the support we give on a weekly basis to stabilize families and make sure they get the support they need to raise
healthy, happy kids, it's always needed. Um, but I got to tell you, after after this many years of being at Family Outreach, it the support that CDBG uh funding gives to family outreach and this program is needed now more than
ever. I'm finally going to say that term that I don't like to say because for a couple reasons. One is poor people have never been attacked like they're being attacked now. Never. Another reason is that if you lose your housing in Ammerst,
it is highly unlikely you will ever live in Ammerst again. It is almost impossible to get an apartment in Ammerst now if you're poor, unless you have subsidized housing. If you have subsidized housing and something goes
wrong and you lose your housing, you'll the likelihood of ever getting subsidized housing again is very very small. And so our intervention services of making sure
that people don't lose their housing, that their housing doesn't become destabilized is so so important now more than ever. And um I don't have any fancy slides, but that would have been one of them if I had. Um and I think that
what's really important is that Francine because we've been around so long, Francine knows most of the families, many of the families in Ammerst who need our help and they feel very comfortable coming to us. Um, we uh are housing
experts and immigration experts and uh parenting experts and all the things that can destabilize a family. And and that's the other thing I love about FOA. We're not a, you know, a oneandone type agency. If you are from Ammerst and
you're struggling, you will always have we will always have your back. You will always have us. So, and that's what often happens. somebody is in crisis and they call us and we help them with that. But then we talk to them and we talk to them about what else is going on in
their lives and then a case worker starts working with them on that and then maybe they're doing really great. We've helped them find a job and we've helped them a we've advocated for them at school and so their kid is doing really well and they're making enough
money to pay their rent and then three months later something happens and they call Francine and I think that's one of the things that's not talked about enough is sort of the ongoing natural support that an agency is actually
giving to a family. If you don't have any family and many friends around, then we become that support system. And that's okay. I mean, I think that there's a sense of, oh, you receive services, you're fixed, now go off and
you're going to be just fine. Um, but life is hard if you don't have enough money to survive. Um, and we help that person do that. Um, yeah. Does anyone have any questions? So, do you have a question?
Thank you very much. And go ahead. >> Thank you. >> And congratulations. Congratulations on your impending retirement. >> I know that's >> Thank you. And thank goodness Francine
Rodriguez is in the building. >> All right. If that's all >> then we will move on. >> I wasn't sure if anybody had a question. I I thought Zoe was Zoe was asking >> no I I I think I am okay you know I um um I kind of recalled you know reading
you know the proposal you know the number of families you know you are servicing and and all of those uh um I think I'm okay for the time being. Thank you. >> Okay. Yes. I didn't want to just rehash the application. I really wanted to sort of tell you the the basic philosophy of
what we do. >> Correct. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, next on my list is Center for New Americans. Um, whoever is here for that, can you raise your hand, please?
All right, Lori. Anybody else? >> All right. >> Hello. It's Oops. I'm not sure. I'm not sure why my video is not showing me. >> Are you >> um >> not sure how to make myself more
visible. So, I apologize. I think I'm not sure what is being shown here. Um but I'm I'm actually a human. So, I'm hoping of maybe I can share my screen. Can I I'll do that. And um
maybe can you see this? >> We are still seeing the same as before. >> Oh goodness. So let me just see how I >> Okay, so I'm not I have no idea what this is that my camera >> now. Now Now now we see now we see the
slide. I am a human. So, I apologize and I want to apologize for missing the last hearing because it's been so crazy and I I had it on my calendar and I missed it and I apologize because we're so appreciative of the um of the support
and um and I wouldn't want you ever to think that we that we weren't. And I also want to say, I mean, I'm showing you here the Massachusetts um demographics for the school system because it's the best way to have a sense of how many immigrants we have in
the community and how they relate to the state as a whole. But the truth is that Ammerst has more students whose first language is not English than the state as a whole in terms of percentages. That's a reliable way, a more reliable
way that the census for reasons I'm sure you understand for getting a sense of how many immigrants are in the community. But obviously, as you know, what we do is we teach English and we teach digital literacy and it's our way of helping people connect at a time when
they really need support. Um, we also teach civics and we make it very real by having our legislators in class and then by going to the state house and visiting them there. So we show people how they can raise their voice and how their voice matters. We have career adviserss
who help people apply for jobs and we've got lots of employers, UMass dining services, Ammerst College, lots of home health agencies who are very eager to uh recruit our students. And we also organize mock job fairs using volunteers
to help students prepare for real job fairs. and then we bring them to job fairs that the career center organizes. All of these wonderful agencies who are applying for support deserve that support. And as you probably know, we've we've asked for less than most of our
other community partners because we do get funding from the Department of Education and we understand that all of these other partners, the Survival Center, um, Family Outreach of Ammerst and the Health Center, they all need the support, too, because we refer our
students to them. When many of the Haitian students moved out of shelter and into Ammerst largely in South Point, we organized a resource fair last year and invited all these wonderful agencies to join us so that we could connect our students to community resources because
that's what we do. We do a lot of digital literacy. We lend tablets. We give tablets. We give hotspots. We enroll people in lowcost internet. We believe that digital literacy is essential to supporting your children in school, to applying for a job, to
accessing health care, and we also offer on-site child care for free when our students are in class because it's one of the barriers that many of our students face. We rely heavily on volunteers. We couldn't do the work without volunteers. And in this really
challenging climate, which others have referred to, when the federal government is no longer a partner and the safety net is fraying, we also offer immigration legal services to help our clients to connect. So, we thank you for
your support. Um, I'm happy to answer any questions and we hope you'll consider us as part of the spectrum of support that Amoris provides to newcomer families, of which there are many. So, um, again, I have no idea why you're
looking at something other than me, but I am here. >> Any questions? >> Any questions? >> Not at this time for me at least. >> Okay. Okay. >> Thank you. I apologize for not being
We could all see the presentation. That was fine. Yeah. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Next on my list is the Ammerst Mobile Market. Bunch of people here. Um All right.
Oh, hi. Good night everybody. Um, I am Rosanna Salasar. I am the uh the Ammer market board president. Here is um Bob Hner also that is uh the our
treasurer uh and Priya at Jol that is our bookkeeper and also our um grand resource and support and
yeah thank you for having us. I will present if I could share. Uh okay. Yeah. Um well the Ammer market is uh bringing fresh local food to where
people live. And who we are? We are a local C uh 501c3 nonprofit funded in 2020 during the pandemic uh times. Uh our mission is bring fresh, local, affordable produce
directly to families. And why uh a mobile market? uh because uh many families has no vehicles uh or have live with chronic conditions or have mobility challenges and access is the main
barrier. Um the why the ammer uh mobile market model matters. I is um uh sorry that I need to
do this. Okay. Um the mo mobile market matters uh because we are building community through um uh personalized uh personalized uh connection and trust.
And um people return not only because the food is accessible but because they feel uh no welcoming and respected and also because is a model a model
rooted in dignity and equity. Residents can walk to the market, choose uh the vegetables that best serve their family and participate uh in a marketplace experience that honor their culture, autonomy and
dignity. Um also is a a space where community um is built every week. Each market day creates welcoming space where neighbors gather, families connect and
relationships grow. Uh also because supporting children um as health and well-being is the Ammer market intentionally
integrates activities and services that nurture whole community wellness. These elements transform the market into a holistic health uh support space, not just a place to buy uh food. And a
community resource uh is is a community resource, a cultural hub and a um and healthy uh future. Uh the ammeris market is building a healthier more equitable ammerance by
strengthening community ties supporting diverse cultural traditions and improving nutritional well-being and creating spaces where families feel in value and connected. This is why the
model matters and why its continuation is vital for the community's long-term health and and resilience. And now I will pass to um Pria. I will stop
here because she needs to uh share another >> I need to share another uh sorry >> and I think we have about a minute more.
>> Oh uh yeah Priya you could start to to I'll just go over I'll just go over the foundations then. Um so as Rosanna said the project overview includes um providing affordable culturally relevant produce distribution to the residents of
Amherst and um our beneficiaries um 100% include uh residents of Amherst. Um we serve uh low to moderate income residents in three highdensity housing sites. Um in Amherst there is a location on Hadley Road. There is a location on
University Village and there is a location within uh the Colonial the Colonial Village apartment complex. Um we currently serve or we have served in 2025 uh 70 families and uh we require income verification through SNAP uh NSLP
the survival center or other sort of documentation. Um and um this is especially important um due to uh the emergency allotments for SNAP ending in 2023 in Massachusetts. Um therefore there are reduced monthly benefits for a lot of
residents and stricter reertification requirements. I know that because I know a few people who are on SNAP and their reertification um requirements have definitely changed with time. Um there are administrative backlogs um on both the federal and state level that I am
sure a lot of us are aware of and um >> I think we're just about out of time Priya. >> Okay. Um and uh so we have as as I had mentioned we have 70 families and we um issue a
$20 per week um free share uh for family those families to get free produce um so free uh fresh fruits and vegetables of their choice. Um and uh we will also offer uh in the coming year um dietitian
endors uh recipe cards and food uh uh booklets um specifically for um people who have uh certain um disabilities and chronic illnesses. um approximately 35 34% of the
undergraduate population of UMass Amherst is disabled um through um uh news through news sources and um it is important for as somebody who recovered from a chronic
illness herself, it is very important for people uh to have a proper diet, you know, especially when they're dealing with complex illnesses like POTS and um MCAS and uh autoimmune disorders and things like that. >> Thank you very much. I think I think we're
>> Thank you very much. Thank you very much. >> Okay, thank you all. >> Okay. >> Um uh next on my list is Ammerst Community Connections. Um, all right.
>> Oh, >> sorry, Walker. I just noticed there was a message from Mayan. Is she still not able to get access? >> No, I got I got her back in. >> Yeah, I can see her. Yep. Don't worry, I'm back in. >> Okay. I wasn't sure if that was taken care of.
>> All right, Kaitlyn. Hello. Thank you so much for giving us this opportunity to talk a little bit more about our work. My name is Caitlyn Connors and I am the fundraising and grant manager for ACC. Um, Wayang was not able to be here tonight, but she
says hello to you all. I'm sure you have all met her and know her very well. Um so Amherst Community Connections serves about 1,200 people in the community and around 40% of them almost half of them actually are from Amherst. So that is our primary demographic and
the main work that we do is surrounding housing instability, economic hardship and really any barriers to self-sufficiency that our participants might be facing. So we use comprehensive case management to provide housing navigation and application um assistance
as well as employment support and various resource coordination. Um and one of the things that we had been noticing is that firsttime renters have a particular barrier that is more significant to getting housing
especially in Amherst where rent is so high and housing is so scarce. Um, so we wanted to devise a new project to use our almost 16 years of expertise in housing on that population specifically. Um, so first-time renters, we are
qualifying as anyone who might be exiting foster care, might be exiting homelessness, students who might be low income, um, and really anyone exiting um, uh, prisons or jails that might have Corey concerns. really just anyone who
is navigating renting in Amherst for the first time. Um so for this program we would be hiring a new part-time position to specialize specifically for this group um since there is that additional need. And part of our case model which we are really really proud of is that we
do not just decide like oh you're in housing and goodbye. Um, we stay with our participants as long and way after they need us, constantly checking in and making sure because we often will do outreach and find, oh, you know, we were
doing well, but my husband lost his job and now we're behind on rent. And then we have the ability to provide assistance in those areas, whether it's with raft support or utility shut off or anything like that. Um, so that is what our new project is about. It is a lot of
the work that we are currently doing and we have been so successful with, but we really wanted to focus in on this population of need that we've identified in Amherst. Um, so if anyone has any questions, I would love to answer them. >> Not at this not at this point, you know,
for me. Well, thank you so much again for this opportunity and it's so nice to meet you all. >> Likewise. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um, community legal aid. You can raise your hand here.
Good evening everybody. My name is Jen Daringer. I am a managing attorney at Community Legal Aid. Um, we are new to CDBG Emmeris, but we have CDBG grants in other neighboring communities, Pittsfield, Northampton, and Greenfield
among them. Um, so I'll just briefly tell you a little bit about our services. We are the uh civil legal aid provider for lowincome folks and elderly in all of the four western Mass counties as well as Worester County, so about half the state. and we um consider
ourselves the legal arm of the social services community. So we work very very closely with partner agencies, many of whom are here tonight. Um and we provide a vast array of uh civil legal services, but I'm going to focus tonight specifically on housing because that's
what this proposed project is about. Um we propose to help uh Amorest residents with housing in four different ways. Uh first providing eviction defense to make sure that folks are not evicted from their homes uh by representing them in housing court. Uh second helping people
who have section 8 and MRVP housing vouchers who are at risk of losing them. We attend and represent people in administrative hearings. Uh third is helping people who are either trying to get into emergency family shelter or
folks who are already there and are at risk of being removed from shelter for a perceived violation. Um so those are the four categories of assistance that we will provide to Amoris families. Uh we will help 25 families or individuals. So
approximately 50 uh 50 people total in Amorest over the course of the year. Um, and I just want to um I I think the best way to illustrate the work we do is to tell stories of clients that we've actually helped. And this really illustrates for us, we're obviously we're already doing this work. Housing
is the biggest need of all of our practice areas. Um, but we do it in two different ways. Um, folks can apply for our services and then we will uh help them with evictions, for example, um, before the case actually enters court. Um, and that's a very high level of
service and it's quite upstream. And then we also have a program called lawyer for the day where we are in eviction court in Hadley on Mondays on eviction day and we help as many people as we possibly can that day. Um which is also an incredibly successful. We are
able to save tenencies that way but it's obviously not the same amount of service and attention that we can give people who come to us earlier. So if we were to get the CDBG North uh Amoris money, um it would allow us to really focus and prioritize uh Amoris uh residents and
they would get uh much more upstream services. Um so two very quick examples of of the two different ways we can help people and you'll be able to see see the difference and why the upstream work is is um is is better for the for the tenants. Um uh for a case where we were
able to help folks in advance, we had an elderly woman um who was living in an SRO uh overseen by Amoris Housing Authority. She had her son living with her working as her PCA. She had mobility issues and could not move without his help. Uh she was at risk of eviction
because they was too small of a unit for him to be there as well. Um we picked up the case before it went to court. we were able to raise a reasonable accommodation based on her disability that then they were able to make an exception and allow him to live there.
Um so we were able to save the tenency and prevent the case from even going to housing court uh which in and of itself the eviction process can be very very stressful for people. So when we can keep them out of court um it's better for everybody and it also means that the eviction does not go on their record. Uh
contrasting that story is another success story, but one that happened at really at the 11th hour, much more downstream uh in housing court. Um somebody was at risk of uh they were at the um that the execution stage um and that meant that they got a notice from
the sheriff. They were going to be moved out of their house. They were about to be physically evicted from their home. We identified that the eviction was tied to domestic violence. they were a survivor of domestic violence and the problematic behavior was being caused by
the abuser. We were able to raise a legal claim uh violence against uh women act and the judge on the spot stopped the eviction, allowed her to get supportive services from safe passage and every woman center and she was able to stay in the unit. Um but that was a
much more stressful uh process for everybody particularly the tenant who was really on the cusp of losing her housing. So, this this funding would allow us to work with people much more in the way that I described for the first situation uh earlier um and with
uh in a way that might avoid them having to go to eviction court. Uh thank you so much and I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Jen. Right on time. >> Okay, great. All right. Um, next on my list is the
Massachusetts Fair Housing Center. Um, Alvin, anybody else? Okay. Um, yeah, he's coming. There we go. Hi all. Sorry about that. >> Uh, hi. Um, so, uh, let me get the
presentation up real quick. So again, thank you all for having me here today. Uh my name is Alvin W. I'm the community engagement coordinator for the Massachusetts Fair Housing Center. Um so what I'm sharing with you is our presentation about our housing search assistance program.
Um so uh just so you guys know who we are, um the Massachusetts Fair Housing Center. We are in our 37th year of um existence in terms of providing uh legal aid support for anyone experiencing housing discrimination across western
and central Massachusetts uh with legal advocacy, civil rights investigations and education. Um we typically serve over 200 clients a year with legal advocacy. Um about a dozen years ago, one of the biggest parts of feedback that we got was that more help was
needed with housing search. So, um that housing search assistance program was created back then um primarily to focus on assisting voucher holders find uh and maintain affordable and stable housing. Um this program has already served 200
clients since we've started it. So, who do we serve? All right. Um our typical clients are lowincome families with uh female heads of households. 100% of our clients um are who've disclosed income are extremely or very low income.
Uh 60% of our clients have families. 74 74% of our clients uh have families that uh are with families um identify as female. Um and you know 49% of our clients also identify as bipok as well.
Um, so we uh center promoting racial justice in many ways, including partnering with many of the trusted uh community organizations that are here with us tonight. Um, and we hope to continue working with them even though we know we don't have a site in Ammeris. Um, we hope to use trusted spaces
whether it's with one of these partner organizations or in a public space like a library, uh, a shelter or a community center. All right. Um our intentional increase in services in Ammeris with this funds um we will aim to uh offer 31
household members access to preferred housing or to uh avoid homelessness. Um so part of this campaign will be making this uh program more um accessible through intentional distribution of materials, advertising and just
spreading the word throughout uh Amoris with uh Ammeris based organizations like many of those here tonight. Um so our proposal all right um going to the goal is to intake and evaluate at
least 25 requests for housing assistance. Um provide uh housing search assistance for at least 25 of those for those cases. Uh resulting in at least 60 household members maintaining or uh obtaining housing in the area um in
Ammerst. uh increasing awareness and referral uh referrals by meeting with at least 10 community partners, doing the outreach, making sure that is a known program uh and that we're a free resource. Um leveraging social media bus campaigns to uh maximize the community
awareness of the program uh as well as distributing program info uh info flyers. All right. Are there any questions that you all have for us? All right. Well, I really appreciate the time and and thank you for for having us. Um, >> great.
>> It's really humbling to see so many partner organizations here and I know we're all really really trying hard to to keep our keep everyone going. So, >> thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> All right. Um, literacy project. Okay. Sorry about that. This is a whole new setup for me to actually be put in as a panelist. Thank you. Hello. I'm Colleen Kachinsky. I'm the executive director at the Literacy Project. Um, thank you for uh
having me here tonight and uh for considering our proposal. Um so the literacy project is um a high school equivalency prep program. Um we provide free adult education classes at three different levels. Beginning
reading uh high school uh high set prep and then those folks who are at the level that they're really preparing to to move in. The goal of the program is for folks to not only get their their high school equivalency, but then also
we build um career and college readiness, skill building and preparation into the program. Um so that students are um working with their adviserss to build uh education and career um uh plans and then their
adviser works with them in a holistic way almost like a case manager um to bring down the barriers they need to move towards those and then we'll work with them to navigate um to get to those goals. So, for example, a student might
be um wanting to go into uh plumbing. Um so, while the student is working on their high school equivalency, their advisor might be working with them to figure out what is the test that they have to take, what what are they going to need for reading, what do they need
to um get into the program and whatnot. So, it's a holistic approach that we take to education with the goal being um obviously um that folks can move on and and have higher paying jobs um and
support themselves, but also to be able to have an opportunity to engage equitably in their communities and to be um good uh civic partners in their communities. Um we have a whole section of uh on civics within our curriculum as well. Um
for Ammerst we have been the literacy project has been in existence since 1984 and we've been in Ammerst since 1995. Um for a while we had I I've only been at the literacy project for 2 and a half years. So I'm going to go with what I
know for history which is I believe at the point that CO came the site that they were at the physical site had to close. And so we went completely online. And what we learned is that actually works really well for a significant population of Ammer students. Um many of
them are um parents and have young children and are able to sort of balance it a little bit better. Um but we also knew that there was a need um to be back in the community and we've been working really hard to figure that out. This year I'm really happy to say that we're um offering a high school equivalency
prep class at St. Bridg's Parish. Um and we have uh eight ammer students, seven or eight ammer students um residents, I'm sorry, um enrolled in that class, which is actually quite a high number. Um and our experience with some of our
other sites throughout um Franklin and Hampshire County where we've done something similar to this is the first year um is slower, but so we're expecting that next year we're going to have even more um Amoris residents that we're going to be able to engage with. Um, and so that's really exciting for us
as well. Um, so what I also wanted to sort of tell you is our Ammerst population, our Ammerst residents are among our most diverse um, of all of our sites. We operate offer operate five
other sites. Um and as a result of that we have for our Ammerst resident population or I should say our Ammerst sites um put into place additional learning opportunities for for those folks. What we learned is that um many
of our students had um needed help understanding the cultural um pieces that go that are on the high set test. They needed more prep work on the history piece of it. Right? they've never even heard of, you know, the Revolutionary War and those kinds of
things. And so we have put um a a class. It's it's additional work. It's they don't have to come to it for students to learn more about the cultural nuances of taking the high or the GED. Um and we also have a a book club that um students
are part of. They choose the book, they do the reading, and then their teachers work with them on um the the mechanics of reading, and they've chosen the the interest area. And so that's our program that um we have among some of the uh a
top 10 um highest graduation rates each year in the state. And that's among about 75 other adult basic ed programs. Um, but I could spout lots of statistics, but I think the thing that I if I can't get anything else across, I
think the biggest impact that we can we've made um in students is to provide them not just with an education, but the confidence that they need to move forward and go forward um with their lives. And the just very quickly, I'll
I'll give you um an example. We had >> about 30 seconds left. >> Okay. Um, one of our Ammeris students had is an immigrant that fled the Taliban um to be to be here in the United States. Um, and it took her 6
years to get her high school equivalency. Um and she finally uh she finally did it and she is now um she took the Clemente class at Bard College and she's now preparing to go um to
community college um which she's has an issue with her residency that they have to take care of and I hope they can take care of it. But she was also our graduation speaker and um that was a big deal because language was a big deal. So um it was just a really it's a great example of sort of the bigger picture.
It's more than just getting their education. So, >> thanks. >> Thank you. >> Do I have to do anything to get off or will you just kick me out? >> I will kick you off. >> Okay, great.
>> We move you gently. >> Thank you. >> Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. >> Um All right. And then Craig's doors. Hello. Uh, thank you, Walker. And I'd like to introduce myself. I am Sheri
Carlson. I'm the executive director here at Craig's Doors. and I have with me Caitlyn Marriott who is our director of outreach. Um, thank you to every each one of you committee members and to the town of Ammerst for your support of the
community and all of the organizations here tonight. It truly takes an interconnected web of diverse programs and services to meet the growing needs of the most vulnerable within our community. Established in 2011, Craig Stores is a
human services organization that provides vulnerable and unhoused members of our community with emergency shelter, food, and safety, as well as access to the resources they need to achieve physical, mental, emotional, and social
well-being. Our continuum of services and programs includes our low threshold program housing program which is permanent supportive housing and serves 15 adults here in Ammerst. We also have an emergency shelter program which
currently serves 73 adults, 35 of which are here in Ammerst. Uh and that program totaled 207 individuals served in calendar year 2025 and approximately 25,000 bed nights for those individuals
over 10,000 of which were here in Ammerst itself. In the winter on our most frigid nights we also have our emergency host hotel hotel stay program. The resource center is our other program which serves anyone who walks in the
doors and primarily serves our unsheltered neighbors here in Ammerst. It is right here uh in Ammerst. And in calendar year 2025, we had 6,153 visits at the resource center, which is
a trailer behind uh in in the parking lot of the Baptist church. Uh uh and we served 552 unique individuals at the resource center in 2025, providing over 2,000 showers, over 1,600 meals, and
over eight approximately 850 case management appointments. Uh and most importantly, we provide a safe and warm place in the winter, cool in the summer to belong. uh for our unsheltered neighbors to learn about
services and build trust and and for us to support them in order to access those services. Uh we also serve as a mailing address for many which is oftent times a necessary first uh first thing in order
to connect with other services um and benefits. Um, as part of what we do at the resource center, survival gear is given out. Unfortunately, there are many of our unsheltered neighbors who even in the most frigid of nights are sleeping
outdoors. So, uh, literally sleeping bags and tents and additional warming blankets to allow people to to safely be outside in in the fridges night is part of what our team at the resource center
does. Uh, this CDBG grant will allow us to stabilize and expand our resource center staff in order to serve the growing demand in a safe and secure way. We've seen a 40% increase in demand and
expect to serve approximately 700 individuals at the resource center in 2026. Um, and just to give a little bit of information about those that we serve, over 50% of our visitors who walk into
the resource center are what are categorized as the highest vulnerable vulnerability individuals. Uh, and that is people who um are in very high-risisk housing situations, including those
living outside with or without a tent, living in a vehicle, living in some other place that is not meant for habitation, or in an emergency shelter, but in a conditional bed, meaning that they do not necessarily have a spot to sleep
tonight. uh they were in one conditionally the night before. Um so that's 50% of the people walking in and being served at our resource center right here in Ammerst. Um and also about 10% of those individuals
walking into the resource center are over the age of 60. Uh so again the most vulnerable of individuals in the town of Ammerst. Um individual adults. Uh, Caitlyn, did you want to add uh a few
things before we run out of our five minutes? >> I think you did a good job of kind of giving the basics. I don't want to take up too much time, but I do just want to say that we have seen a really serious increase in in need at the resource center. We're noticing that we are seeing many more folks on a daily basis.
We used to see maybe 15 people a day and now we're seeing 30 or 40 people every day at the resource center. And like Sher said, it's it's a single wide trailer. um and it it receives a lot of traffic. So, we're we are noticing that our capacity is kind of dwindling as our
the need is rising. Um which is sort of what we're looking for with this grant is to help increase our capacity so that we're able to to better serve the need that we're seeing in the Ammeris community with the folks that we serve. >> Great. Thank you very much, Sher and Caitlyn.
You All right, that is all of the applications. Um, and I just looked at the um, updated deadline for the application and it looks like we could have another hearing in March so that we could have
discussion tonight, actually vote on recommendations the next time and um, have another one for the final like the public feedback and the final um, list once the town manager has reviewed the recommendations. So, if you don't feel
like you're ready to make a decision tonight, I think that's going to be fine. >> Was there anyone from the town of Ammerst or is that um there's no one or do you want to >> I mean, that's me. I I'm happy to answer questions. I don't think I need to go
over the project since we've had this project come before you on pre in previous years. Um, unless Muriel or Mayan, you have questions since this is your first time seeing it. >> I I think my only question on that and I
I don't see it in the the responses was just is there another phase after this phase? This is phase three, I think. >> Is there a phase four? >> Yeah, this seems to be the never- ending project. Um, so we've stopped saying we
know for sure how many phases there are going to be. Um, but I do not think we are going to get it done in this round either. The price the prices just keep going up and we get less done per chunk of money each time. >> Okay. >> I feel that is almost like an answer,
you know, to um Suzanne's, you know, question. >> Yep. I think again you know you know when I think of you know the awards that we are giving I always look at the number of um amorous residents you know that it will have an impact so I'm finding you know
that I'm using the logic again and again you know and if um um so um and wondering you know if I should be looking at any other perspectives you know looking at the priority whether they fit you know the categories but
definitely the number you know Um so um I I will definitely you know want to hear you know if there is another way of looking at them you know u that can give us a little bit more of a fresh perspective that way I will not be voting the same every year it feels like
I'm kind of using the you know the same I mean I guess how like I was thinking about it um obviously I I completely agree I think thinking about like the number of people but I also think thinking about like which projects are like the most essential for like you
know basic needs and basic quality of life. So for me I was thinking with things like the you know the mobile market or like the survival center like I feel like they're providing like really like super essential things that um you know are going to cause the
deterioration of the quality of life of like low-income residents the most if they don't have access to those types of things. Um, and I think that, you know, all of the projects, uh, are offering like services that are very necessary, but I think in terms of like, you know, just cuz we don't have all the money in
the world, I feel like for me to choose, like I was just trying to think of like what is the most essential and, uh, you know, in addition to what you were saying, um, which will provide like the highest net benefit for like the most amount of of citizens in the town. So, yeah.
>> Thank you. Maybe just to add what Mayan said, one of the things that that um I always struggle with is that um there may be a hierarchy of needs >> on the one hand, but then we also have um
um kind of you know competing um goals or communities that these organizations are serving. Uh so for example we have a number of organizations that are focused on housing. >> Housing. Yeah. >> A number focused on nutrition and food.
Um but then we also have the um kind of adult um you know learning and >> literacy. Yeah. >> Literacy and and citizenship. And we also have the um the youth uh services.
Um, and so one of the things that we've struggled with in the past is how much of a balance >> to have among those. Um, and
even though housing or, you know, and or food might seem like the highest priority, do we want to give, you know, do we want to fund five projects that are all doing the same thing? Mhm. >> So that's another um I think thing that
we struggle with um often every year >> and we do have the ability to um not necessarily uh fund the entire um correct you know or you know fund a portion of their of their asking.
So that's another thought you know consideration. So, um, without rating, um, Craig's door because I think, you know, we got it, you know, as we were speaking. Um, do we want to
kind of table, you know, our final decisions for the next meeting or I I can go either way. >> Yeah. Since since the one organization didn't get included on the website and we hadn't had a chance to look at it yet, I feel like it would not be fair to
proceed that much further. Um, >> it's also it's also has the I mean it's the highest request that we got. It's $76,000. It's even higher than the survival center. >> Correct. >> I would want to be pretty thorough about
looking at that. Um, and it's a it's a big population. I mean, they have 550 in their resource center, 30 a day. It's it's
big numbers. I I do like the way that, you know, Suzanne is thinking and and looking at this. Um, I I'm I'm comfortable, you know, with moving this, you know, in the next meeting. Um when should we be submitting the ratings you know for this additional
one to uh Walker? >> So do we have another meeting? >> Next meeting is the 5th March 5th. >> So at some point before that. >> Okay. >> Is everyone okay with that? And we can think through the process. I mean the
federal um the change in federal landscape is really you know bringing you know really I I I think you know we need to think through this you know we we felt you know last year we were you know seeing the impact but we're really seeing the you know the impact
now more than any other time. I I think you're right, Zoe. And one of the things that I've noticed now is that we have I'm not sure we've ever had 10 organizations submit proposals. And the total, if I did this right on my spreadsheet, it was
over 400,000. >> Um, and we only have the ability to choose five social service activities for a total of 17 >> 5,000,000. Yeah. So even so even we take
the average of 40,000 per >> activity and we choose five that's still over 200,000. >> Yeah. >> And we only have 175. So it's difficult process to whittle it down to five and
then of those five allocate the scarce funding. So yeah, it's a it's a tough challenge >> and and given um um given that we're not voting today, you know, can we look at the new and I'm I'm asking this uh
question to Walker, can we really look at our ratings and kind of just put it in all in a whole different perspective, you know, and if we make any changes, we can resubmit them to you? >> Yeah. Yeah. If you want to resubmit a whole new ranking sheet, that's fine. >> Okay. Okay.
I am comfortable. Oh yes, >> I'm so sorry. Um I Walker I just wanted to ask you for me like because you couldn't get access to mine. Um I was just like wondering what the issue like why you just to for the future so that you can get access next time.
>> It's difficult for me to get access to Google documents. Um and if the permissions are correct sometimes I can but it's usually easier to download it and send it as an attachment for me because of the security settings on our on the town side. Yeah, no worries. I'll send it as a PDF next time. >> Makes sense.
>> Do you But Walker, you really just need our overall our average per, you know, the total. >> Yeah, you don't have to send me the whole sheet. If you'd rather just send me the average for each organization in an email, that's simpler and easier for me certainly. Um although I do keep them
on file if they get sent to me. Thanks. >> Just for for Mayan's benefit, one of the things that we learned a few years ago in this process when we do the sheet and rank all the elements like one through um four um not everyone has the same
scale. So if we just go by the numbers, it's hard to compare. But then if everyone uses their own scale and comes up with their list of in this case 1 through 10 um then it's easier to you know compare and and one thing that um I
don't think Walker did this time but I think we've had in the past sometimes is it's um um anonymous but there will be whatever you know four or five different rankings provided so we can see maybe
how people um ranked one through 10. We don't know who did it necessarily. Um but we can kind of see how um the other committee members viewed each one. >> Yeah. And I can do that if you're interested. >> Mel, that be great. Yeah, I think it
would be great to see like even an anonymous other rankings just so that as like a first-time ranker know like generally like how we're grading on like completion and certain aspects so I could compare and contrast like my ratings and the scale that I'm holding up like not that I would change my
scores but just to know like where the mind is and also because a lot of these organizations have submitted in previous years how we're allocating this year. Yeah, I'll send a few anonymized ones around
>> and just for Mel and Mayan's sake in case you you're not aware or you didn't look at the past. So, we rarely would fund the full ask of a project. So when we, you know, that's one of the hard decisions and conversations that we
have is how to come up with, you know, what that formula might be for how we um fund those that we approve based on what they requested and based on where they ended up in in the overall rankings. Um
so that you it is helpful to have kind of the overall from everybody. So if you need that ahead of time, Walker, you know, we could if if we're meeting on the 5th, we could backdate it a few days so you have some time. >> Yeah, earlier that week would be good.
>> Okay. >> And that way I can get it out to all of you before right before the meeting too. >> Does the capital proposal get the same like thinking that the social services one? cuz I was looking previous years and because it's in a phase of project,
does it get partial funding or is it like fully just to get the construction done? >> So this year it doesn't really need to be ranked because it's the only capital >> um that's from a separate that's from a separate fund. >> Yeah.
>> Because I was like the number looked the same on the spreadsheet. So I wasn't sure like if that was coming out of the total total or if that was just for the capital proposals. Yeah, that's the capital money. Okay. Two separate >> money. >> Yeah, it is. I'm a competitive this year.
>> That's a good way. Yeah. >> So, I think we're all in agreement, you know, that we are going to do this, you know, in the next meeting and that we're going to get our scores to um to Walker. >> Great. >> And also at the next meeting, we'll have
a hearing. Um we proposed an amendment for the 25 grant, the one that was recently awarded and that we're about to start work on. They the state did not approve the two planning projects that we had proposed.
>> So that funds we're proposing to move it to the capital project which you can't move it to the social service project. So we're moving it to the capital project um and expanding the scope of that. Um, as you may recall, it was pedestrian improvements near Kendrick Park. >> Yeah. >> When they got approved. So, we're
expanding the scope to include some improvements to the park itself. Um, and we are going to have a hearing on that on the 5th and then we will see if the state will approve the amendment. >> That's great. >> Okay. Um but it should be
um since we already heard from all the social service organizations tonight uh we won't need to repeat that uh next time then should be quicker. >> But that was helpful hear from them and and there were some newer organizations that we haven't seen before. >> That's true. Yes. Yes. That's was very
nice to see. >> Great. Do we need a motion to >> motion? You know, >> when is the meeting after March 5th? Like, is are we adding it on to the schedule or is it still following the schedule online?
>> Yes, we're going to have to add it on because I didn't have any other meetings after March 5th online. Um, it could be the 19th of March, a month from now, or it could be the 26th of March. Those are the two options.
I guess I prefer the 19th just to give me a little more time to work on the full application if that works for all of you. That's 2 weeks after the previous meeting. >> So, so the fifth will be to review the rankings for this round and then a
subsequent meeting would be to review the amendment to the 25. >> So, the next meeting on the 5th will be continuing to discuss and making your recommendations for the proposals. and also the amendments. >> Okay. >> And then the meeting on the 19th would
be um public feedback on the recommendations specifically and the rankings and also I pass it on to the town manager and like people in town to provide feedback as well. And then if anything needs to be changed on the 19th, that's when you do it. >> Okay.
>> Uh Mayan, >> wait. So this is the 19th of March. We will have a meeting on the 5th and then we'll have another meeting on the 19th if that works for everybody of March. >> Would it be at all possible? Just the 19th is my spring break and I don't
think I'm going to be home. I think I'm going to be like I might be out of the country. So, um yeah, but I I I could make it work because I'll probably be like in the same cuz I was just planning on going to Canada. So, I'll probably be in the same time zone. Um worst case scenario.
>> Yeah. Other the other option is to push it to the 26th if if that's easier for everybody. >> I can do both days so it doesn't matter to me. Yep. >> I would prefer the 19th. I think I have work on the 26th.
>> But >> if the 19th works better for everyone, I can definitely make it work. I just like Yeah. >> Okay. Um All right. All right. Well, hearing nothing else, let's plan for the 19th for now. >> And if something comes up, let me know.
I don't I won't have to notice it quite yet. So, you got a little bit of time. >> Okay. >> If I don't get scheduled, the 26th is fine. >> Okay. I do need to know before the 5th because I need at least two weeks to notice the meeting. So, Okay.
Okay. Great. Right. Anything else? I'm okay. >> I think we can adjourn then. >> Great. Thank you. >> On the 5th then? >> Yep. And I'll see you on the fifth.
>> Fantastic. Thank you. Bye everyone. Bye. >> Nice to see you all. Have a good night. >> Have a good one.