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Okay, recording is started. >> Okay, it is 6:33 and we're beginning the meeting of the community safety and social justice committee on June 10th. Um, I'm going to read the chapter 2 of

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the acts of 2025 extended through June 30th, 2027. The ability of public bodies to meet in a fully remote or hybrid manner. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via Zoom or by telephone. Um, no in-person attendance of members of the public will

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be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via tech means. Uh, we're going to go over the agenda for today. Um, and then we'll get into the agenda.

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Uh, but before then, I guess what we'll do is just um make sure who's amongst us. um and that we can hear you and and all of that. So, why don't we get started with Erica? >> I'm here. >> And you can hear us.

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>> Yes, I can hear you. Thank you. >> Okay. >> And then Anna, >> I'm here and I can hear you. >> And Ever? >> Yes, here. And I can hear. Thank you. >> And Camille? >> Yes, I can hear you. >> Perfect. And then as the other members

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get on, we'll just um you know make sure that they can hear us and we can hear them. Agenda. So we'll do uh announcements. Uh we're doing agenda review right now. Um then we'll do the minutes because we

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do have two uh minutes and we'll see if we're ready to to adopt those. Uh member reports, public comment, cresendi updates. Uh, Rob Joel update, um, ICE update, sanctuary city bylaw,

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flyer response event, June 13th, youth empowerment center funds and location, town council debrief, membership update. We'll have our second public comment, and then any items not anticipated.

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So, any announcements from anyone? Would this be an okay time for me to announce the food drive event? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um yeah, I just wanted to let everybody know that the Amoris Lucay Hub is going to be hosting a food drive and um community conversation around food

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security and immigration um and immigrant justice here in Ammerst. So, we're going to be collecting food for um the Ammerst Survival Center. Um they have a list of specific items that um a lot of the Haitian community members that they work with um have high in demand. um as well as the Pioneer Valley

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Workers Center and highlighting the work of a few different organizations like Ammeris Community Connections, Crest, various um people within our community that um support large portions of vulnerable members of our community and within that um our immigrant neighbors

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and friends. Um so it'll be at the Monand Dove June 20th in the afternoon. We'll have food. We'll be there chatting. Um and we'd love anyone and everyone to come join us. Perfect. That sounds like a great event. Hopefully there'll be a great turnout.

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Any other announcements? >> Hopefully there will be more. >> Oh, that they'll do other other food drives. >> Yeah, we're hoping to continue these kinds of um events sort of to build that network of mutual aid around uh immigrants in the community. >> Excellent. But unfortunately, I'll be

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out of time. So hopefully they will have some more. That would be great. All right. Any other announcements from anyone else? Okay. Um minutes. So we have uh two that we could

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adopt. One is a April 8th minutes. Um so want to kind of open it up. Are there any edits? Anything any any anything that we need to kind of correct from those minutes? Okay. So, I guess I'm not very good with

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this whole Robert's rules of this and thats, but um you know, I'll do my best. Um so, uh I guess move to adopt the minutes. >> I move to adopt the minutes. >> Okay. Is there a second?

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>> A second. >> All right. Roll call. Erica. >> Yes. Ever? >> Yes. >> Anna, >> yes. And I'mma Yes. >> Okay. Then we have one other one. May

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13th. Um, again, open it up if there's any edits, anything we need to change. Okay. Hearing none, um we move to adopt these these uh minutes

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as as they were presented to us. >> So moved >> and second. >> Second. >> Perfect. All right. So Erica >> abstain since I was not at the meeting.

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Okay. Ever >> I >> Anna >> I. >> And for me it's an I. So is that like enough for us to adopt it? Camille. >> Um I I think we need a quorum. And I

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don't think we I don't think we have a quorum. >> Yeah. We don't like Well, because Erica abstained. I think if Erica hadn't abstained any Right. Okay. All right. So then we'll we'll do another um roll call maybe because I know two more members

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are supposed to get on uh they're just running late so we can um do it again towards the end of the meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If I forget you all remind me. >> All right. >> It's good practice. >> Thank you. Um

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so now we're going to u move on to our member reports. um any reports that people have to um you know share with the community. I do want to say that although we're going to be kind of talking about it um

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later when we do the membership update uh but I do want to say it you know now in case any community members want to make a public comment and and things like that and we'll have another public comment at the end that um Allegra Clark our you know faithful co-chair and you

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know member of CSSJC um and I believe since we began um CSSJC back in 2022 um will be uh stepping down after this meeting. This will be her last meeting and so you know I am tore up about it

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cuz I did not want her to leave. But um so you know we'll talk more about it obviously when we when the agenda item comes up but in case you know anyone wants to make any comments and things like that that would be very wellreceived because she's been just

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spectacular spectacular members spectacular co-chair. So, um she's going to be very very much missed. Any other um reports that people want to make? Okay. So, we're going to open up for the

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first of public comment. See that there's two attendees in the audience. Um Camille, you'll need to help me with that in terms of like bringing people in if there is a hand up. I don't see any hand up yet, but we'll give it another

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few moments to see if anyone um joins us. I just know it was a busy week with um the other meeting um that we had on Monday. So, I know my network is

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exhausted. Okay, I don't see any hands up. So um yeah, we'll have another public comment at the end. Um and then people can have an opportunity to chime in then. Uh so

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our first our next agenda item is uh Crest and DI updates. Why don't we uh turn it over to Camille for Crest? >> Uh good evening. I included in the packet is the June issue of our

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newsletter. We have a bunch of events that are happening this month. Um, one of them is happening Sunday is the Human Rights Commission Youth Hero Awards and also Race Amity Celebration. It'll be

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Sunday, June 14th from 11 oh like 11 or 12. I'm now I'm like, okay, I didn't write that part down. Until 3:00. Um, it will be at Mil River. There's going to be food. There will be speakers there and we have, um, a lot of

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young people that we are giving awards to. So, um, come out. Uh, Crest and DEI will both be there. And, um, I know that some of the town counselors will be there, so there will be food. Um, so I

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look forward to seeing folks there. Also on the 28th is the um, Amoris Pride Parade and it will the Pride Parade starts at the high school and goes to the center

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of town where there will be food and games and music and speakers. Um, Crest has been very busy. uh new program we started is called the Crest pull-up program. It is for outreach and this

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will be Crest going out in the community to the parks etc. And one of the main things is getting people to understand more about what Crest does and also to be there to support people. We'll be having water um and maybe snacks

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depending on and how um we reach people that are in the community. So, we'll be at different areas on uh different days. So, look for us out in town in our gray uniforms. >> Well, one quick question about that. So,

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um it can you share that with us like when those dates will be and what times I guess we can share with our network. >> Sure. It's going it's there is no set date or time. It's just going to be where we're just going to be out in the community, you know, meeting people

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where they're at. So, tomorrow. Right, that's the pullup. So, >> okay. >> The other thing that is going on is tomorrow and Friday with it being so uh being over 90°, the Banks Community Center will be holding a cooling

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shelter. There'll be water available and that will be in the entryway to the front door of Bangs. There's a table set up there. So folks, if you're hot, if you don't have air conditioning between 8:30 and 4:00, uh we'll be there um

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having water set up for folks and if they want to come talk to a crest responder or get more information, we'll be there. >> Thank you. >> A question. Sure. Would would you consider if you're going to be in

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certain places putting it on your social media so that people could know where to >> actually that's a really good idea. Thank you. I'll add that >> Erica. I just want to say uh thank you for posting your newsletter at Futura. It's great to see the newsletter and

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places where people are, you know, hanging out so they can see what you're doing and how to get in touch. Uh, I had a question um about uh and I'm sorry if it was answered at the last meeting, but just about um the dispatch calls that you know there's only been 2% from uh

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you receiving them. Um what is it we need to do? What is it we need to know in order to I mean I think we were pretty loud and clear. Deborah, you were excellent in terms of being very loud and clear about our expectations, but what do what do we need to do in order

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to increase that call volume? Well, currently the town manager, the police chief, and the supervisor for um the ECC, the emergency communication center, uh will be getting together to

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discuss what it is that we can do to uh hash out what calls are crest appropriate. So, at the current time, it has been a slow roll out. Um we did receive six in the last month, though. So I feel that every month the numbers

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will be going up. Um it just is going to take training on the part of uh dispatchers to understand exactly what calls that crest can take. And also I think that people have to understand

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that in the past it's only been two types of calls that well three if you count uh medical but it was either a police um call a fire call or a fire/ EMS call. So being the third, you know,

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newbie on the block, um those are the type of things that we're working out. Um so it I have a followup with that in terms of the dispatch. You know, as as Erica said, we're going to continue to put the pressure on that. Um, but I

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thought that those protocols had been ironed out in terms of which calls were going to crest. And again, you know, some of the things that we've pointed out at Nauseium from November to now is that, you know, as the police have stated and others have stated that, you

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know, most of the calls are not are nonviolent. So, um, you know, so I get it. Okay, six calls came in, but in comparison to the police and what what they're being called towards, that's still, you know, kind of negligible

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numbers. So, I I guess yeah, what I I get you all are going to meet and and and so on so forth, but you know, the chief, the town manager, the dispatch, they need to understand that we can't continue to wait around. you know, like our, you

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know, our constituents want to have access to Crest. They want Crest to be called for certain um incidents so that, you know, their members aren't getting, you know, like their family members, their friends and neighbors and everything aren't getting arrested or or

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or worse. So, you know, this needs to happen more quickly. I mean, it needs to be impressed upon them that we we can't continue to wait. And obviously, I think the town council heard that loud and and clear. So, we're going to continue to put the pressure through the town counselors, too. I think they're very

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much aware that this needs to happen, but what else needs to happen from our end? Um, and really, I want to hear from you in terms of like is the chief, is the head of dispatch, is the town manager

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um willing to make this happen? So, I believe that we're all willing to make it happen. Um, one of the things that I can actually comment about is um last uh Thursday and Friday I was in Chicago for the AMSA, which stands for Alternative

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Mobile Services Association um convention. And one of the key speakers uh that came out was talking about how when these alternative mobile services

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were stood up that many of the calls were deemed that they were calls for alternative response and that when these departments were stood up, the calls trickled in to begin with. And I think

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it has to do with as things progress more and more calls will go in our case to crest. So I don't think that these are being done on purpose. I feel that it it is

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something it is a learning curve and that since we've been on dispatch in January that each month these are increasing and I see that they will continue to increase monthly as more and

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more calls are directed to us. But to to to Deborah's point though is is there a definitive plan for because I believe I heard you say that dispatch needs to be trained on

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what gets dispatched to Crest. So is there a definitive training plan with times and dates um as to when dispatch is being trained? Is there ongoing training to say these are Crest appropriate calls that should be transferred to Crest?

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I'm not in charge of their training, so I don't know what they have for training on exactly what are the calls. All I did was work with everyone on what protocols were crest available. So, we have our

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calls um outlined and they were given over to the communication center, to PD, and also to the fire department of what Crest calls

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um R. >> Thank you, Camille. >> So, Anna, >> yeah, well, I'm also wondering about hours and how that affects how many calls are able to go to Crest. Um it it

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seems like I think you've identified like specific times that are seen as peak and not all are hours that crest is open and available because of all these logistical and staffing and budgeting concerns. And it seems like one of these things that when I talk to people in the

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community dinner time um that are supporters of Crest and they consider the hours and the staffing, there's a lot of outrage really about it. Um, and that no matter how well the training goes, can you do that somewhere else, please? Um, if

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crest is closed when people need them, then the call can't go there and are there things that we can do to support has there have there been any conversations about changing these logistical issues so that the the hours are able to go to these peak times? Um,

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and what needs to happen to get that pressure ramped up? So, if again, this is something that was brought up in in the AMSA um conference that all of the alternative mobile um

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services all start out with day hours, okay? And then as things are transitioned, then they go later into the evenings. None of them have started with evening hours. They've all started

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from um 7 to 3, 8 to 4, 9 to5 and then as more people are hired and that the data is looked at then that is how the numbers and the rationale behind what times that uh the department should be

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open is determined. And at this time um previously crest was open later hours. Uh however the number of calls that they received was minuscule. So uh when we

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were put back down to six responders it was decided that the hours would go to 8 to 4. And again, having more responders would allow us to um expand ours. And I will say this that dispatch is just a

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small part of the number of calls that we go to. Due to the fact that Crest was not on dispatch to begin with um and was formerly on dispatch, people who utilize Crest will call us directly. So a lot of

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the things that are happening um for example um evictions those happen in the morning. Um people who have difficulty with getting to court those also happen first thing in the morning. So there are

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a lot of things that happen during the daytime that are not necessarily dispatched um calls. M the the conference that you went to, is there a slide deck that was provided

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that you can share with us? >> Um I'm still waiting for the slides. So once they get uh through the conference, I can. >> Okay. Thank you. And and going >> Oh, go ahead. >> And just going back to um Anna's

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question. So I understand what you said that you know there is a progression daytime, evening, nighttime. Um but I I think our progression has been going on for quite some time. I mean we we have been trying to um get this moving

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for quite some time and I think that you know in in every major presentation that we've done I mean even in the reports that led to the formation of crest it was also it was always represented that um nighttime was important to have

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crest. So I I I think Anna's question and Anna can correct me if I'm wrong, but >> are there any ongoing conversations now with within Crest to say, "Okay, we need to at least um do a test case for

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different hours and later hours." And I appreciate that people initially were hired for daytime hours, but now that we recognize that there's a need for different hours, is that conversation happening with Crest?

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>> And let me just ins that that is part of what I was asking for sure, but I'm also aware that some of these limitations are coming from outside of Crest in terms of bank center hours or again budgeting or things like that. So are there conversations happening within Crest?

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But also are there any conversations happening between Crest and the other entities that sort of um are creating some of these barriers about removing them. to both. >> So there there has not been um any

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discussion at this point and the primary reason is is that Crest is very busy during the daytime as it stands now and the data as it stands um looking at the logs or having had um

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a time with the logs. the amount of calls during the evening do not um go with the need for crest to be oh late night. So uh someone mentioned 4 to 12

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those hours um when crest was till 8:00 uh the number of calls that happened before was minuscule. >> Okay. Wait wait wait I guess I got to interject. When was crest until 8:00? Crest has never been until 8:00. There

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was a second shift originally when they had a responders. >> No, there wasn't. There was never there was never >> in the beginning. >> There there were people that >> I this is what was told to me by people that actually worked. So the original responders >> because we've been here from the

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beginning and that is very incorrect that Cres has never been has never had an evening shift. So this is what I'm saying. This is misrepresentation and and falsehood that's been told to you. because there has never been a shift evening shift of Crest. If

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anything, Crest maybe went to five o'clock or something like that. If if that, but I don't even remember that. So, I I don't know where that's coming from that there was an evening shift of Crest and that there were no calls of sh Crest. First and foremost, like you've said, if there had been a shift like

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that, first you have to do the outreach. First, people need to know that Crest is actually out there with an evening shift. So if there was a ghost evening shift, no one knew about it. Okay? So then it can't be utilized then to say that there was no calls if nobody knew

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that that even existed because like I'm telling you, we're the we're the the group that's supposed to be overseeing crests and all of that stuff and making sure that everything's in place. And I've never heard of Crest having a shift up until 8:00. Okay? Never ever. So if

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there was it was some type of gast shift that no one ever knew about to then say that there was no need for it and there's no need for for nighttime shift. There was the the LEAP did a whole review. We paid LEAP to do a whole review. And when they looked at the logs

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of the APD and the logs that were coming in and the the types of calls that were coming coming in from 4 to 12, they certified that there would be a need for crest during that time. Now, I mean, I hear you, Camille. I mean, I I I don't have any problems with the fact that I'm

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not trying to say that you all are not doing a great job. You all are doing a great job. But yet, and still, we still need to focus on the fact that Crest is being underutilized. It's not being dis it's not being dispatched. It's never been dispatched correctly. And I'm sorry

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that it's, you know, I know for you it's a slow progression. The whole situation crest has been in place since 2022. We're four years down the road and they're getting one to six calls from the APD. That's it. That's that's period point

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blank. That's it. You know, that's what we're dealing with. We're dealing with a frustrated community that wants Christ to be in full effect. And we and I'm h I'm happy you all are busy during the day, but you all would always be also be busy during the night if given the

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opportunity. if you all were actually an alternative to policing. Okay, which means an alternative to policing. I I went over that on Monday. That was the charge of CSWG. Create a department that's uh we were very very specific that we did not want a social service

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agency. There's already social service agencies. You all are supposed to be alternative to policing. That means getting dispatch calls. Period. Point blank. I'm sorry. But what but what you have to understand is I am the director

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of crest. I can only run my department. Anything that has to do with APD, the police department or dispatch has absolutely I have no standing in making anyone else

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do what the CSWG or the CSSJC recommended. I can only work within the confines of my job, my title, and my people. And I think that while I understand everyone's

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frustration, there's only so much I, as Camille Theat can do as the director of Crest. I am one person. I have six responders and um an admin. So while

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I can think a lot of things and believe that again I truly believe we need more responders okay to um to be able to expand our hours at the current time we don't have the people to expand ours and

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I can't again I can't make anyone else change how things have been done all I can do is work within the system that I've been given to make things happen and I have worked tirelessly to get

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things as far as they are and in municipal government things move slowly. That is not um how I you know it's not me that is trying to do this. I am pushing to get things done quicker and

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more efficiently. >> Yeah. I mean and and I get that. But what all I'm saying is that yes, this it's almost kind of like making a dollar out of 50 cents, right? Us as black folks, we're always the ones making a dollar out of 50 cents. So you've you're you've been dealt a hand where you're making a dollar out of 50 cents and

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you're doing a marvelous job given what you were handed. But what I'm saying though is I get that. Yet and still though, we still want um Crest to flourish, right? We still want Crest to reach its full potential, which means being what? Not just what we were

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charged with. This was the town. The town said they wanted an alternative to policing, right? And so we all we did was recommend what the town had said that they wanted. So now since we did make those recommendations and Crest was

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put into place based on our recommendations as CSWG members, now we need to make that come to fruition. I understand that you can't make that happen. However, I just want you though to be able to kind of >> think, you know, like as if if you did

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have the magic wand to be able to make it happen. What would it look like and how could it look like? Because that's our job, right? CSSGC, we're here to put the pressure to make sure that it happens because we here is from our constituents, right? I'm getting calls. I'm getting emails from our constituents

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who are like, Deborah, I'm I I need Crest after hours. I need, you know what I'm saying? And I can't get crest after hours. I wish crest was I could call 911 and I could get was crest and not the police. I don't want the police. I want Crest. You know what I'm saying? So

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we're we're getting those things. You see what I'm saying? So >> it's kind of like almost like two separate type of situations. There's a situation where yes, your budget, your staff, and what you're doing and you're doing work, you know, for double the amount of people. I get that. you know,

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for the hours and and >> and that is and that is the the problem is that I have six people that are trying to perform what 12 to 14 people do in other departments.

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>> So trying to do this work you know in in all honesty I am trying what we do during the day. Okay. Requires a lot more people than what we

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have now. So, and I've said this and I put it into the budget of, you know, what is it that would take to make Crest? We need a minimum of 10 people. Okay. Then we could do 10 shifts. I mean, we could do two shifts

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because of people calling out vacations, etc. And always having two twoerson teams. So, 10 people and that would allow us to go into the weekends also. And I've said this right off the

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beginning cuz when I came into this, it was a very challenging situation. So, here it is 2 years later and I have less people than what I started with. So, I again, as you said, am making a dollar

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out of 50 cents. So it's not me, you know, it is the budget and I again have no control over that and the frustration that you have. I have the same frustrations. All of them are coming from from that

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perspective of just wanting more crests and wondering if you can identify some of the pressure points that we can hit to try to help support you in that get you those resources so that you can do that. And just the context of

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are there already sort of roadblocks in terms of getting more space or more whatever if you have that information. If not, we can. >> It's all >> honestly >> none of that was saying you're not doing an amazing job. It's just we want more. Give us more. >> Thank you. It it is money. It 100% it is

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money. Okay. Um and getting more money from the town reallocation, you know, again, and as a town employee, I I can only say and do so much. So, I'm

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frustrated. I've been frustrated, but I'm doing the best that I can with what I've been given and I have a really good team. >> So, no, I've been doing maras and I'm I'm going to turn it over to Emerald and then Erica.

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So, Camille to to that point and as as you saw from Monday, um we raised the issue of all the outreach we did to town council asking for increased funding for Crest. Um when you did your budget, did

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you submit a request for 10 people? What was it what was the feedback from the town from the budget committee on your budget? um if he can share that um you know because again they were on notice that uh a strong crest is a crest that needs more people and more money and so

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was that request made for the 10 to st fully staff 10 people and what was the feedback on that if you can share with us. So, when the town counselors asked questions, um, that was in our response and that is in the notes as far as I

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know that we did ask that in order to be fully staffed and fully functional and give folks the hours that they are requesting or requiring that we need 10 people. Um and it was pretty much the

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same that you know um asking about co-response um whether or not press could uh go as a co-response with the police which is you know absolutely not. Um so it was a lot

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of the the same language that I have encountered in the past. there are people that understand what's going on. Um, but again, I can only do so much and I

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can only say so much. >> So, and and thank you for that feedback in context. And I, you know, I mean, I I I do not believe those requests are confidential given that this is a public

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town budget. So I I I think there's an opportunity here for us to respond especially if you're getting those kinds of questions to say you know council is asking about co-responds. I mean if if you're allowed to and can you should provide us those questions um in writing

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that they're asking and on your behalf and as the committee that is charged with making sure Christ is successful you know we can respond to say you know more education it's very obvious that still as much as

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we try more education is needed and so you know knowing we now that we know specific questions that have been asked, you know, we can respond to say, okay, we understand that there's still more education needed around Crest is charge

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and what they do and here are some questions that we were made aware of and here is why we can do this or we cannot do this and here's why we continue to advocate the independence of Crest and the appropriate funding.

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>> I can send you those answers. I mean, they were all prepped. we had like three days to get them to the town council. So, um I will say that this year with the questions being asked ahead of time

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um and being responded to ahead of time, it was a much easier time. Um I submitted nine pages of response >> and and still people were asking those kind of questions. Mhm. >> Well, they asked him of uh the police

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department and whether um you know whether uh crush should be co-response and as >> I imagine they said and I imagine they said no. The police said no and rightfully so. I hope >> the police said no to a co-response. >> Yes. >> No.

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>> They believe it should be a co-response. >> Yeah. I was I was on the finance I was on the finance um committee meeting for the first part of I probably should have said it during my memory reports. I totally forgot about that. And I I heard Chief Ting say that he want he he uh

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would like that his his suggestion would be for Crest to be co-response. I heard him say that. I was on the finance committee meeting and I heard him say that. >> Yeah, that that cannot work. um crisis of correspondence means APD

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takes the lead. Um no, that cannot work. That's Yeah. No, >> no, no, no. And and that would go totally contrary to CSWG recommendations cuz that was obviously there was different models that were like that co-response and everything and that was something based on our research that

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that was a no-go. You know, Crest needs to be an independent department um independent from the police. Well, I will say this. When people talk about Durham as the premier, Durham has four different types of response. They

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have a co-response, they have a response, they also have a follow-up team, and I am blanking on the fourth one, but um they all have different jobs in what they're doing. And also Durham

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is a very large city and they started out with a smaller area and expanded and the same thing with the hours. They started with very rigid set hours and as the team grew they expanded the hours >> and and sorry Erica just to inter

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interject just quickly just in terms of that and you know as as I'm thinking about it that was one of the reasons remember when we looked at all these different models when CSG worked on all these different models we picked the model that we picked based on Ammeris because we also have to adapt it to our

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town to our population to our culture so it couldn't be something like Durham or you know like some of the other ones Cahoot so on and so forth right we looked at all those different models and I think we took little pieces and parts and this and that but we had to make it and tailor it towards Ammerst right

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which was very very key and that's how Crest was birthed based on on on the model that we we we created but let me turn it over to Erica because she's been patiently waiting >> now uh all of the comments really um reduce the amount of comments I have Um

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so really good comments. Um one again I just want to reiterate what everyone else said Camille. Um this is not about you. This is about the town and about our charge. Um we are absolutely um you know right behind you and and um and your responders. You're doing an amazing

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job. Um but we want to make sure that you have the resources to do your job. And I just want to say um you know the letter that Crest uh that Crest that the CSSJC sent clearly responded to co-response that it was not appropriate

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and why it wasn't appropriate. So we're constantly going back to the same thing because people are digging their feet in. Um I think there are enough counselors that we can uh reach but I think what we have to reach them on is um the budget book before the budget

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even starts because it's not you know we're constantly having these conversations but it's really about the money and the reallocation of resources and um the police department is always going to say they need more and they want more and um it's going to be a continuous fight. So I think you know we

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should um with our next retreat really start right from September getting to all the counselors about uh supporting Crest and reallocating resources to Crest. But my question was more at your conference did anybody talk about the possibility of any other resources? I

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know the feds are not funding uh alternative policing program because that's the last thing they want to see. Um, but are there any resources that we can help tap into um to try to get you also I mean it is the responsibility of our town but at the same time if we can

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figure out other ways to get resources um and and I have one suggestion which um I don't know if it's going to fly or not but when I worked at the Department of Public Health they actually set up um uh a way for people to donate directly to the department. So, it didn't go into

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the general funds for the state. Um, and I'm wondering if that's something that we need to look into as well. Again, not wanting to let the town off the hook, especially around reallocation and re-resourcing um for programs that have high impact

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around alternative policing and around reducing crime and disruption and racism and injustices. um but at the same time looking at uh other ways to get money to you. >> So um as you may know or may not know uh

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June 30th is the last day of the equitable approaches to public safety the EES program. So after June 30th Crest will be relying strictly on the budget set aside by the town. So many of

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the things that we have been doing and supporting such as the um the veterans breakfast etc. we've had to look to other departments to get money

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and we have a small budget. Um so I will say this when was talking about looking for grants etc. Um Dan, who is the program manager, uh will be done with

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his position. It was grant funded as of June 30th. So, we're going to miss him. A lot of the grants that he was able to find uh are not able to be put into until the fall. So, when he leaves, he's leaving me with a list of grants to look

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into. And I will say there was a grant that he found that I looked at and it looked promising to begin with. However, as I was going reading through the grant thoroughly as I do, um being that it was a federal grant, it it had on the page

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that the entity that uh took this grant for one thing had to have 20% provided by the town. So that took us out. And then the other part of it is was that they would have to work with federal um

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law enforcement. So immediately that was no. So, and I think that is the reason why this grant has continued to have um to get extended because of what is going on currently in

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this country um and supporting um other federal agencies that ICE that we do not want to. So, >> yeah. So, we can't be an alternative to to uh policing and

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be under a federal uh grant that automatically puts us where we have to um be in alignment with ICE and ever other federal law enforcement. >> Yeah. and and and that makes um total

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sense in terms of what you're saying um Camille because you know like what we just learned when we went to the town council meeting on Monday and presented and everything is just like >> you know uh ICE is is being able to do all of these different things that in

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terms of violating the laws and uh the police have stated then they're not going to intervene besides recording and documenting and so on so forth and passing it along to to the prosecutors, which then the the hurt has already happened. And so for us, we need Crest

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to stay independent. We need Crest to be able to uh respond. And that's why we want you all to be, you know, >> contacted first to deal with things. And that's why we didn't want the co-response. And they already have like this co-response with like the clinical uh person there. But we know that when

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they they do the corresponds with them, they're the ones that are leading the scene. They're the ones making decisions first and foremost. So they're the ones that are are are making those decisions which can already traumatize people that are are in crisis and things like that. So um yeah, that's not anything that

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we're interested in. And like I said, I did hear, you know, when I was on the finance um committee listening in meeting, you know, Chief Ting saying that that would be his uh preferred model, which would be for Crest to to for it to be a co-response with them, you know,

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>> and um yeah, that that would not be okay. But I do have another question for you, which is so I know that they're already going to be voting on a budget. So what was the outcome? Because like you stated, right? You need an assistant director. So the you know um what is his

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name again? I'm forgetting his name that you just mentioned. >> Dan Garcia. >> Dan Garcia, which was awesome. We ended up meeting him, you know, one of one of the times that you were I think either on a conference or away or something. And he was awesome. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like we're losing a great person um because you don't have

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the budget for an assistant director. You need an assistant director. And obviously, like you said, you need to go at least to 10, but you know, as CS CSWG had stated, I think, you know, we had stated 14 um people um uh you know, for

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for for Crest to really be kind of more robust and things like that and have the different shifts and everything. So, um, so what what is it? So, are you all staying kind of status quo? Is that what the town manager kind of turned in?

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>> Um, as our budget is stated, that was what we were that there two positions that are frozen will remain frozen. >> Wow. Unbelievable. And no funding for an assistant director. >> No, no,

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>> this is just Yeah. and and you know and and Erica just to kind of respond to you is just like remember we met with them in November. I get it that we could have met even September two months earlier but we met in November and sent in remember we sent in those documents to them right away in terms of the budget

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and we told them right away what we we were requesting in terms of of making sure that Crest would be fully staffed. So, I really believe like we presented and we sent in the documents right away to the town manager and the town council. And that's why we wanted to to

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state them in our presentation that we did on Monday to showcase like document that we did our job here. We asked for what we needed early on. It just was yet again ignored. You know what I'm saying? And and Crest, like I said, we I and I

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know others in this committee get contacted by constituents who are like Crest needs to be fully funded. Cres Crest needs a budget. They see what you're doing. They know that you need to help, that you need an assistant director, that you need more responders.

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How are you going to be able to to do what what what you know the constituents are asking that the town you know have you do if you don't have the bud you know the the budget the resources the people to be able to do it. So it's not okay. It's definitely on the Tom and

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that's why we did that report card on Monday to really showcase how they are, you know, failing at at making sure that you all have what you need to to be able to serve our community.

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Other questions, comments, concerns? I just want to um say I definitely support what Erica said and I appreciate hearing since I wasn't on the the committee at the point that point um and I hope that we can do that early and submitted to the town and then also make

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sure that there's accountability not just from us but from the people who know that you know there was success in having trust established but don't necessarily pay attention to everything that's happening now. So, I hope that we can do that and can keep some energy

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behind it so that >> Yeah. If you if you look at all the attachments that we attached to um a presentation for Monday, it has all the different um communications we made to the town council which was >> focused on the budget and everything

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else. And that was like we met with them on the third and then we sent some like two documents in November like shortly thereafter, you know, because we knew we needed to get that in early enough in terms of for the budget season, you know. >> Yeah. >> Still nothing happened. This year I sort

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of and still learning how this process is was in in the late part able to start sort of passing word that this is something that you know town members should be putting their voice behind. Um and hopefully we can start doing that earlier in the cycle this year.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So we sent one on November 13th and then we sent another both on budgets November 18th on budgets. So, >> and again, as people should know that um

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as of July 1st, it will be truly the first time that Crest will be working just within the town budget. There are currently no grants um that are available um or that we could apply for.

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So, as soon as I find any or see any um I will apply for them. >> Yep. and and like you said, Camille, I mean, it's it's a lot more difficult right now because of every all the restrictions that are going on nationwide and the kind of stripping away um from doing these very critical

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um work that we need done. So, that's why the town needs to show up. The town needs to be the one to increase the funding. I get it that every everything is, you know, that times are tough, but the thing is is that when times are tough, who are the ones that suffer the

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most? those that are bipac and those who are on the margins, those that need the assistance, right? You know, >> those that can least least afford it. >> Exactly. And so they're the ones as as even the League of Women Voters put in

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their reports that need Crestos, that utilize Crestos, and you all don't have the people to be able you help them. You know, again, let me be very clear. You all doing an excellent job. you help him with what you can do, but just imagine if the town actually gave you the

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budget, gave you the the staffing, gave you, you know, the assistant director, gave you what you needed, right? So that you were able to help more people. You see what I'm saying? I mean, that's that's the the thing that we're trying to impress upon the town that it's not

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okay. And as a said at the town council meeting, which is a great point, it's really limited vision, right? Because it, you know, you're putting money now, but longterm you're saving money because that means less people dealing with, you

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know, mental health or possibly hospitals or having to go through the court system and, you know, families falling apart and all of those things, right? Which was all the things that CSG had thought about. That's why we said youth empowerment center, multicultural center because you got to start at the

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root, right? And so with Crest, that's where you all start the route in terms of connecting them to the resources and the warm handoff, right? So that then people can get the the help that they they need to get. So it's very short vision. It's very short vision from from from the town and the way that they're

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doing things, you know, yelling and screaming, "Oh, we don't have the budget. We don't have the budget." No, you you have the budget because really long term, you're saving a ton of money when our residents are actually whole and healthy. So, I'll turn it over to Anna.

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>> I just want that reminded me um and agree with you Deborah like it should be on the town but also to make sure that we don't have crest shrinking to the point where we don't have the day that we need to show them how great it is. Um, if you were able to connect with um,

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Paige, the the person the uh, public health person who has some experience with grant writing um, >> I know that you that you and Dan had emailed with her and we're going to connect soon. If not, I can I can poke her.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um, I'm not sure because I've been busy with budget and everything else. So Dan has been taking the lead on that. >> Okay. I'll follow up with him and with her if that um has gotten lost in everything else that's going on in the

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world. >> Right. Any other questions or comments? >> Algra is in >> Oh, hey Algra and Lette too. Um Lette is here. I know that we were in conversation when the set came on board.

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So Algra, can you hear us? Can you hear me? >> And let the set, can you hear us? >> Sure can. >> And we can we can hear you. Awesome. All right. Um All right. Any other questions for for

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Camille Ron Crest? Okay. All right. If not, then we'll turn it to DEI. I know that there's no one here from DEI, but they do have a report. um that they turned in for June, July.

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Um let me see here. So they have some interns. I don't know. Would you be able to like put it on screen by any chance, Camille? Just so then folks can follow along.

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>> I actually do not have a copy of it. >> Okay. Let me see if I can share All right. Can you all see the report? >> Yes. But you have to make it bigger. >> Okay. Let me see here.

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How can I make it? Okay, here it is. Is that better? I'll do it bigger. >> Yes. >> Okay, that works. Okay. So, um DI interns. So, they have um Roy man um as

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a new intern from UMass. Roy is a public relations and marketing major entering his senior year. Um there were monthly staff trainings that uh will resume in September. Um the town the department has completed

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all town department trainings for the fiscal year. Individualized department training will resume in September. The youth career fair was held on May 27, 2026 with the following town staff and community members participating. Um so they had um Dr. Ete

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uh Sergy Federoski, Town of Ammeris information technology department, Sarah Forice or safe and I might mess up the uh last names. town of Ammeris Fire Department. Um Liz Hood retired from um Amoris

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Regional Public Schools. Cecilia Jezek Jones library. Olivia Lara Calhoun of Ammeris Department of Public Health. Uh Dr. Susan Larry, retired family practice physician. Sean Mangano, Town of Ammeris finance department, and Pamela from the

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DI department. um community wellness and resiliency conversation. The town's public health crest and diversity, equity, inclusion departments are hosting a series of community conversations designed to acknowledge harm, provide support and promote wellness and response to multiple recent events in town. Topics

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will focus on the impacts of domestic violence, racism, and the closure of Hampshire College as well as overall community wellness and resiliency. The four-part series includes events that so there's already two that um happened May 28th. Uh well there's another one's

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happening tomorrow June 11th then another one June 18th and June 25th each facilitated by a local community member. So you can register I'm assuming if you go on their website DI um DI you can register for the sessions.

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Um as Camille has said this going to be the Human Rights um Commission Youth Hero Awards that's from 11 to 2 p.m. at the Mil River Ammeris Pride on the 28th. Um, and you know, if you want to

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volunteer, you can sign up to volunteer. Uh, so diversity, equity, inclusion departments invite you to join us at the town's uh July 4th celebration on July 3rd. We'll be tableabling with copies of the US Constitution buttons and stickers. Spend the will to test your knowledge of the US Constitution and the

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Bill of Rights. Um and then diversity equation department invite you to view a celebration criticism of the US constitution bill of rights to a display and timeline that reviews the development expansion retraction of voting and other rights titled we hold

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these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal but and then there's going to be the reading of Frederick Douglas together that's going to be on Sunday July 5th at 3 Um and then Jones Library the rec department diversity equity inclusion department invite you to the commission

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for persons with disabilities disability pride events on the 16th of July. And on July 20th the kids room at Jones 101 University will host a themed story time on Thursday July 16th 11 to 11:30 in celebration of disability pride month.

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Um, parolympian Juan Dixon will join as a special guest. On July 20th, Parolympian Tori Dixon will give a talk under the pavilion at Mil River. Miss Dixon won medals in swimming. Following her talk, town staff will tour the recent ADA

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improvements to the pavilion and walkway and wreck staff will review sensory and adaptive equipment for the pool. So, there's a whole schedule in terms of how that day is going to go. That I believe is the report from DI.

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Um I guess >> I I just want to make mention just before I forget all of this that um for July uh July 3rd for the Independence Day celebration, yours truly is going to

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be the MC. So come out, listen to me, talk to everybody and do my thing. So, it's a lot of fun. Um, now that that Hadley or Northampton cancelled theirs, um, I think that the

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Mgherk Stadium outside there. It's going to be a wonderful time. There's a lot of space for a lot of people. We're also going to have uh disability parking and a van to shuttle folks um elders and

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disabled folks to um the area to be able to sit for the fireworks. So, and Crest will be on hand to work also in the stadium and well outside the stadium. So, I'm always looking forward to it. It'll be my third year being the MC and

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it's a lot of fun. So, I'm >> encouraging everybody to show it up. >> Are you all doing on the fourth or or is this the third? >> It's on the third. It's on the third. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Awesome. That sounds great. >> So, come on out.

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>> Any other questions or comments? >> All right. So, um, resident oversight board, um, go update. Um, I don't know, Algra, if you have any updates on that. >> Um, it does sound as if the next go

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meeting they will be taking back up the resident oversight board. Um, I believe, let's see, there was a go meeting yesterday, so I believe it's two weeks from yesterday. So that would

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bring us to the >> what's what's the date? >> 23rd. >> 23rd. Okay. Um I will be out of town so I won't be able to attend but if anyone >> wants to sit and I think they meet 6:30

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to 8:30 Tuesday the Tuesday night. Um >> 6:30 to 8:30 >> and it's Zoom. It's on Zoom. Yeah. >> Okay. I can I can volunteer to do that. >> Excellent. >> Do you know if that's going to be the

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day they'll vote which um model they're going to be bringing to the town council? >> I think that that was the plan. Um I can I Erica, you could probably get in touch with Holla.

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>> Okay. Um or Amber Connell Martin or Anna Delin Gothia are the um I know I know they were and who else is on I think it's

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George Ryan and Glen Griezmer the other um I think that's the full committee. So I know I think Anna is the chair. >> I'll contact her. >> Yeah. But I think we need to if they're doing a vote because it's five members, right?

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>> Um I think that it might be split. So we need to like um you know fig figure out strategy in terms of contacting those members that we can talk to in terms of investigation and things like that. So um because you

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said Amber, who else? Anna >> Holla. >> Hala. Okay. So and Amber, you know, but I think Anna, is there anyone that can reach out to Anna before the 23rd? >> Well, I'm going to I'm going to reach

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out to Anna. She's a chair. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, if you can reach out to her, but when you reach out to her though, it's really to say that it's going to be imperative um you know, for for them to um vote in the investigative because I really feel like if they if they end up

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voting the review, it's just going to cause so much um distrust amongst the community >> that it's it's going to be terrible. >> I'm in district three. I can reach out to George Ryan. >> Okay. because >> yeah I mean I'm in two I can I can send

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a message to Lynn >> okay >> yeah and obviously Amber and Holla you know we we we know that they're on board with the investigative so we want to utilize our energy as best as possible so by contacting some of these other

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ones these other counselors would be the the better way to go Okay. All right. Um, our next one is ICE update sanctuary city bylaw. >> I don't know.

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>> So, obviously we were all at the meeting on Monday. Um, in terms of updates to the bylaw, I believe that the I sorry, my daughter's in the

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background. Um, I believe that some that there were some attempts to kind of meet with some members of the immigrant community to review some of the changes that were being proposed prior to bringing it to the council. And that's

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proven to be a little bit difficult just because of the sensitive nature of things and people again feeling fearful and distrustful um of the government. So that makes sense. Um, so I think

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I think it's still in process and I think that they're try I think perhaps based on what we heard at the meeting on Monday, thinking about areas where it might need to be strengthened and I think that um I think that councelor

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Cono Martin was certainly looking at towns that have pretty strong sanctuary agreements or have had pretty um protective interactions with ice. So I think they were um some of the ones they

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were looking at were like Chelsea, Lynn, Somerville, um some of the eastern part of the state. So I do believe it's in progress, but I think there's still some steps that they'd like to try and take prior to

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bringing it forward. Do we have someone from this committee working looking at the bylaws? >> You know, that is a good point, Emerald. And I don't think we do, but if that is something you'd be interested to look at, I can certainly send your name

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along. >> Yes, please. I would be >> all right. Perfect. And do you know when? Because I might have missed it because I know I was like um I stepped away for a little bit. Do you know by when they're trying to bring it

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before the town council? >> I don't know. Um I think as soon as they can, but also knowing that they want to make sure it it's >> as strong as possible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, based on the

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conversation that we had, and I know we're going to be talking more about it when we do the debrief of the council. Um Yeah. I mean, we we do need to make sure that the language is very clear in terms of what we're looking for because,

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you know, we do have to provide some more protections because it it appears that obviously the town manager and and the chief are just, you know, working within whatever span they feel they can they they they can that's the only kind of parameters they can work in. but

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really leaves people vulnerable I feel you know um in terms of immigrants and you know family friends neighbors um you know and they're already afraid they're not willing you know they're afraid to go out and about and you know based on

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the conversation we had on Monday they're going to be even more afraid other questions comments Um, our next agenda item is the flyer response. Um, so there's an event on June 13th, and I believe it's sponsored by the League of Women Voters, right?

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Um, >> um, I I saw a bridge for unity, but I don't know if the League of Women Voters is also um involved with that. >> Okay. So, I mean, you probably know more than me. I think I I had read that somewhere, too. But it's what did you say? Bridge for

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unity. They're the ones that are >> I think so. >> Okay. >> All right. Um so anyone who um is available, do you know where it's happening and the time? >> Let me pull that information up. Um

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Yeah, because I saw here. I think I have it. >> Here it is. >> Um, >> yeah. Join bridge for you and your neighbors to explore how we want to respond as a community in the face of the hatred and bigotry. June 13th, 2 to 4 p.m. The Unitarian Society of Ammerst,

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121 North Pleasant Street. So this is dealing with the uh April on April 29th a racist letter was distributed in Ammeris on June 13 2026 bridge for unity um a grassroots organization devoted to interracial interracial intercultural dialogue to advance democracy will hold

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a public dialogue at the Unitarian Society of Ammerst. So I know um I can't be there because I have other things going on that day. Is there anyone from our group that is available to kind of go and then maybe

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report back? >> I'm sorry. When is it? >> So, it is on Saturday, June 13th, 2 to 4 p.m. at the Unitarian Society of Ammerst, 121 North Pleasant Street. Um, >> June 13th, this Saturday.

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>> This Saturday. Oh, >> I'm I'm sorry. Yeah, I can do that one. I'm actually in the eastern part of the state on Saturday. >> Okay. Anyone else? >> I'm sorry. >> I'll be >> I can't make it.

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>> Okay. All right. So, maybe what we can do is I you know, maybe I can um I'll reach out to Kathleen and see if she can uh provide any information in terms of like report out around the um Kathleen Anderson uh regarding what what what they discussed and things like

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that. So, and then I can uh report back at at our next meeting. Okay. All right. Um, I mean, I guess the last thing I want to do I want to say though about the racist

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letter is that um, you know, the town did do the um, the response, but like I said, I mean, it was definitely through monitoring um, because I know I was contacting the town manager pretty much on a daily basis to find out, you know, what they were going

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to be doing and things like that. Um and then you know as you know we reported on Monday you know the town council never sent a statement or anything like that. Um and the next on the on the letter it said that the next time was going to be

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I think July 4th or what have you and then there was going to be another date in September September maybe 1st and second or something like that that they were going to be around. So for me, it's just like, you know, there still needs to be monitoring and things like that for the dates that was stated on that

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letter. And and at the end of the day, like I said, whether it was a hoax or not, I don't care because the sentiments on there were vile, vile sentiments. And um and it really intimidated and and and made a you know I know it made me and

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and a bunch of folks that that that are black and brown uh very afraid to to live in this community. So, um, you know, as I stated, this needed to be, you know, taken extremely seriously and everyone should be outraged by the fact

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that this was out and about. Um, the next one is regarding the youth empowerment center funds and location. Um, so didn't he get any other updates from the town manager? And as you all know, when we were at the at the meeting and we presented on the youth

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empowerment center, um the town manager basically said he was going to get back to the town council in regards to the questions that we asked. And so we're asking, you know, one um the youth empowerment center had been allocated

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$500,000 originally. Then $50,000 was used for some study which he said admitted to at the Monday meeting that it was something to look at locations or something like that, some survey, which was the first time I had heard that. I had heard that there was some type of,

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you know, consultant money that was used, but we've never gotten any type of, you know, um, report or anything from that $50,000. And then 450 was in in free cash supposedly to protect it from from it being utilized or taken away from us.

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But, as we know, there's been other town counselors saying, "Well, there's free cash. Why don't we use that money for other um expenditures in the town?" So it's not safe and now with Wildwood um you know coming online we need to utilize that space not only for the

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youth empowerment center but also for the multicultural center. This we need to put pressure on for this to happen because if we miss this opportunity because remember we've been talking about this since 2021 and the major

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reason that they haven't established the youth empowerment center is because there's no location. Now there's a location. And now what's going to be the next excuse? You see what I'm saying? Um and yet again, no budget has been allocated for the establishment of the youth empowerment center. You know, you

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know, no identification to say, okay, yeah, this is where we want it to go. And then, you know, multicultural center isn't even talked about, you know, as as a place, you know, something to establish. So, we need we really need to put the pressure in regards to that. And

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so for us, I think what's going to be important is for us to follow up with um the town counselors um in regards to it because we saw at the meeting that Sam Mloud was very interested in establishing the youth empowerment center. Um and then I know that you know

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Jill Breivik and Amber Kenn are also other um town councils that I think are very much on board and I'm sure Alicia and Amber I mean Alicia and Holla too. So, um, we need to think this through in terms

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of like who like I know I can contact Sam because I already started kind of talking to him a little bit about this. Um, and our kids, our sons weren't in soccer together for many years. So, you know, so he's someone that I feel very comfortable kind of reaching out to. Um,

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but I think you all need to think about what are other town counselors that you all can reach out to because we cannot miss this opportunity of establishing youth empowerment center and multicultural center at the at the WOW location. Um and then the next one seg right

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>> I I do want to ask this question um Deb because um I know I have I I know I have been wild a few times and yes I would say it is ideal as parkin Austri parkin it's well settled off this street there's bus

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stops already embedded Um, but we may need more than the $450,000. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Oh, no. Definitely. Yeah. >> No, remember Yeah. Remember when I said that at the town council, I said we just need to earmark the 450, but we need money for >> Okay.

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>> staffing for the for for running the programs, for establishing the the youth empowerment center. Yeah. We we need a lot more money. >> Okay. Because my because there will be need the building will need some work a lot of work. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Feasibility you know all of that that

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study not feasibility because I think it it would be feasible but just a study in terms of how much it would cost like you said to fix the the building itself and to you know for the staff salaries and also for the programming you know all the resources that it's going to take to to run a center.

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>> Yeah. And and you know there's strong arguments to be made. I mean it is a school. It has youth facilities already embedded with a playground and all those things that um kids can already do without. So yes, the building may need

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some work, but in the grand scheme of things, choosing it as the site is a potential cost havens because it's already uniquely it has unique amenities that can be easily transitioned

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um that will save the town money. >> So yes, I I I hope um I I agree with you. we should really um try to sell this um as much as possible um for it for it to happen. Um so yes, if

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any any we should really work on like a definitive plan for um Wildwood. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think, you know, like we were saying, I think it's going to have to be these town counselors, you know, to kind of, you know, um, you know, for

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us to reach their ears so that they can, um, you know, put in a resolution or whatever they need to do, um, to to make this happen because, um, like you said, not just, you know, the fact that it already has certain things embedded, but also the location. You know, it's very

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close to town. It's very close to, uh, UMass. I said there was activities for them to walk over to go to different activities at UMass. It's close to, you know, all the different, you know, it's close to everything and it's very known like young people know Wwood. You know

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what I'm saying? Um, so the location is actually perfect for for our needs in terms of what we're we're looking for. All right. But we can um listen just one one second, but we can think more about it because I think we you know besides

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the town councils and who you we can um contact, we really need to be strategic. So I I want us to kind of think about it so that we can come back and really spend some time putting together a plan for the youth empowerment center. Lette,

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>> um where did we live off leave off in terms of um the $50,000 that were used for the research purposes or whatever it is that the that Paul mentioned, is he

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supposed to get a report or get all those documents together? >> Yes. Yes. That's where it he said that he was going to, you know, send a report to the town council kind of clarifying a bunch of those questions that we had asked that he said he didn't have

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answers for and that's included in the what it should be in the report. >> Okay. So, when is he does he have a time deadline for that or >> you know there wasn't a time deadline so we need to kind of follow up. Does

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anyone know how we can find that out? It seems like maybe reaching out to Mandy Joe and just saying, you know, we wanted to make sure that whatever questions were collected for Paul at the meeting

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are sent to him and we'd like to know a time frame for when to expect an answer on them and how will that information be delivered to the CSSJC as well as the town council?

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So I can do that. I can contact Manny Joe, find out that information. Okay. >> Yep. Thanks. >> All right. Um, so yeah, other thoughts in terms of the

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uh town council debrief. Um I guess like I'll just kind of just share with the community like folks that weren't there that we spent about an hour between um what you know CSSJC human rights commission and town council um to kind

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of ask questions of the town manager and chief ting uh around ICE uh and the executive order that the town manager had had um you know had sent out and you know a lot of What

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the town manager and chief ting said was that, you know, they share resources. They're obviously, you know, you know, not collaborating with with um ICE per the order. Um but that they're limited

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in terms of jurisdiction because they're the federal government, federal law, and then the state law. Um so if for instance we asked a lot of questions if they were to see them violating you know Massachusetts law um by being violent or

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by you know doing things that obviously are illegal um whether they would intervene and they said they would not inter you know the police would not intervene because that's a federal um you know interaction and they would not be able to do that because of town

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liability and risk and so on so forth. Um, but of course there was lots of questions. I know I asked a question in terms of like, well, if they're being unlawful and illegal, why wouldn't they, you know, intervene? And even if they

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were to be found to be liable or at risk, why wouldn't the town, you know, defend and also spend time researching that? So that's actually part of you know what the town manager is supposed to get back to the town council is you

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know um if let's say a police officer was to intervene and then get arrested or what have you whether the town would defend them and then you know Chief Ting also said that oh they would they would get impacted by post um possibly get

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fired by post because of of post and I don't know if that's necessarily the case so you you know, supposedly they're going to be researching that, too. But I think we need to do our own research also to see that because at the end of the day, it's just like, you know, if

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you're seeing a crime happening right there, you know, they said the only thing that they could do is document, take pictures, and then send it to the prosecutor, but the crime is already taken place. The person has already injured. So, you know, I get it, okay, that after the fact they can get

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prosecuted, but the the trauma has already occurred, the injury has already occurred. So, um, Anna, >> one question I'd had for them that I'm just wondering if y'all have any take on it, um, cuz I I didn't get a chance to ask it was that it seemed like he was

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very clear on like if there were an incident, if there were somebody being um, abducted and they wouldn't interfere in that case because of liability. But there's also the whole part of the um the statewide it was an executive order whatever it was about that I think was

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included in the town saying basically they can't stage things on certain properties. They can't certain things where it doesn't have to do with obstruction of justice. Um they didn't seem to address whether they would enforce that and like remove

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federal officers from places they're not supposed to be based on those bylaws or state regulations. I was wondering if you guys had any feeling on that or if I had missed anything that they had addressed or >> Erica, I don't know if you wanted to are you responding to that or asking another

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question. >> Um I I wasn't responding but I what I just want to say is that for two and a half hours they were extremely vague. Um and I think you know you and the um other members of both the human rights

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committee and the town council um rightfully so is asking them to be much clearer much more direct and I think you know it's just um legal ease and politics uh hiding behind um we we don't

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do hypotheticals. Well when you have uh a resolution you then have a policy. when you have a policy then you have protocols. When you have protocols then you have training. Everything is based on that. So it's just um you know I just found it really disturbing and that is

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why I said we need to be funding impactful services in Amherst and right now I don't believe the APD is at all impactful at all. Um, so I do believe we should be pushing them specifically on

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um, you know, if this is the bylaw, how do you implement it? It's a bylaw. You should have protocols now, not until, you know, don't wait until it happens. And I just want to say, which I I didn't say then, but >> the bylaw yet though, or do or do we we have a bylaw?

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>> Well, we have a resolution >> and we have state. Um I mean it was written in the executive uh I mean in the response it was actually written in the response that uh and I think uh Governor Healey also stated that they will not use uh public spaces for

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staging. So I think it was in the response. Um but also you know they kept on saying this is unprecedented. If this is unprecedented then we should have an unprecedented response not a precedented response. Um, and um, I just want to

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commend you, Deborah, for switching the narrative from, well, we're going to cover our uh, butts by making sure that we in the town are not liable versus why don't we figure out how we protect our

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police officers who are doing their job in terms of public safety and justice and get, you know, ready with our attorneys and with resources that when they do their job to interfere when there's illegal things happening that they will be protected by doing their

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job. And I think that was a great question that really was not responded to. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like I think like what you said, Erica, I mean a lot of it was very vague and then Anna in terms of like they did say that, right? They stated that you

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know if they're on public properties and and things like that that you know they're not supposed to be there, but they were very vague in terms of like will they ask them to leave? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't know if there was a clear >> like a pretty lowhanging

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place, but it's fine. >> I don't I don't think I I I don't think they were vague in asking him to leave. They they are not going to ask him to leave. I I I I think um to everyone's point,

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the only thing that was very clear and definitive is the avoidance of confrontation and um to an extent I understand um why.

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And one of the questions I wanted to ask which I didn't get a chance um was it's how much federal money do we get because that is a factor let's be real they are

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um and you know considering that but there there not that many federal properties in Amherst there there really aren't so there can be definitive

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um bylaws that say that if ICE is in town, they're only allowed to operate on or stage on federal property. And I I I know I don't know the entirety of Amherst, but I know there's some USDA properties. I know

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there's the post office. Um but there are not that many federal properties in Ammerst. So to an so to that end um if we say you can only stage from here

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it limits their options and and that is a definitive response that the community can appreciate and that and something that they should say um and and adopt. So yes I I think um and this goes back

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to earlier we're talking about the you know the sanctuary bylaws. I think those are things that should be added to things like that. Um, you know, to limit what they can do. But yes, there

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the the the vagueness for me wasn't very vague. Um, I understood exactly what it meant. It is we are not going to be confrontational at all. Yeah. It's to everyone's point,

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it is liability. it is um a problem but again I think it also comes down to we do not we do not want to ruffle feathers um and there is

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federal funding behind the somewhere that needs to be considered. Um, so and one of the questions I did ask, you know, and to say, okay, you're not going to be confrontational,

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and I hear what you're saying. I understand why, but the Northwestern District Attorney's office said that you bring us a case, we'll prosecute. Do you have it documented in your policy to say we will bring the Northwestern

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District Attorney a case? I don't think I'm not sure we got that definitive answer or if that's in any policy. I don't know if Amherst PD has that directive to say even though we have policy says you shouldn't engage here is our policy that says you will present

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these facts and findings to North District Attorney when you recognize that these people are breaking the law. And then of course it came back to we've only had two instances of ICE in Amherst. No, they said one actually.

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>> I was the one that said I know of at least two >> and I know everybody there's people that know of more than that and everything and they're like, "Oh, we only know about one." So, which goes again towards, you know, the fact that one, they're not being very in

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intentional in terms of, you know, making sure that I not in our community, and two, people are afraid and they're not going to the police. you know, they don't they don't trust the police. And I I don't blame them. After what I heard on on Monday, I wouldn't trust the

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police either because it's like we're not going to intervene. If they're breaking the law, they are protected. They are protected by the federal law according to to Chief Tang and and the town manager to do whatever they want to

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do to racial profile, to enter, to commit violence, to disappear people, kidnap, you know, all of all of those things. So, and and Ammeris PD is not going to do anything to stop that. So, >> and I wanted to clarify I'm sorry,

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Deborra, I wanted to clarify something that I I had asked um of Chief Tank. So, on Monday, I'd asked a question. Okay. Since you got since we know that ICE is traveling in unmarked cars and wearing

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masks, um what have we done to verify that they are in town? And I I think the response was we cannot surveil people. So I was not asking for us to surveil people. That was not my question when I

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said you know there's more things APD can do. APD does patrols and as I pointed out there not that many entrances to Amherst so APD can set up um officers cuz they usually do if I'm driving on certain street I know that

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there's going to be a cop car right there or somewhere so they can utilize um these patrols to they see unmarked cars coming into town that we know federal it's like a federal uniform SUV

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blacked out or you know, if if there's sometimes unidentifiable information, um verify, you know, run the place, nothing comes up, pull the car over. Um have them tell you, you know, why they're here. Um you know, so I wasn't

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suggesting and make sure that the that's clear. It was a suggestion that we surveil people, but if you if APD is out doing patrols, um they have the resources to verify if an unmarked SUV enters a town of Ammeris that we know looks like a federal car, you know, they

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that's another way to verify if they are here as you know. So, I just want to put that out there. I wasn't the question wasn't about surveillance. It was about APD actively doing patrols um to these points of entry verifying um

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from an outset. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I think I mean I think it went along with like my question to them which was you know yeah if I'm committing a crime then you're arresting me right but yet with them they're committing a crime you're just letting

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them do whatever they want and you know taking pictures to then prosecute thereafter maybe because like you said doesn't even seem like they they you know supposedly they're documenting but would they actually bring that forth to the to the to the district attorney's

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office and that's the same thing with this, right? They do survey us. They do um have patrols to patrol us, but they're not doing anything to patrol ICE. You know what I'm saying? Knowing that ICE is in our in our community,

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like you said, is is very telltale. I've I've seen, you know, them, you know, some of these cars, you know, you know, around and then, you know, as you know, we stop following them and stuff like that and a lot of times that kind of dissuades them and they kind of go away cuz I remember one that I followed that

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was like um you know different like neighborhoods in Amoris and stuff like that and then they kind of went along their their way, right? So, it's just kind of like so I'm I'm just a resident and I was able to spot them. I'm just like, "So, you're the police and you haven't been able to spot them and

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you're saying that you've only seen one incident possibly of them in in our community?" I'm just like, "What? that that makes me have zero trust that they're doing anything to protect our immigrant neighbors and family and

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friends because like I said, it's just like that was that was very like that was terrifying, you know, because like I said, they're spending their time surveying us and arresting us and everything and just letting ICE be free and, you know, and do whatever they

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want, whatever they they need to do. any other um questions or comments around ICE? And then we can talk a little bit about the second part, the CSWG recommendations portion. So, with the um CSWG recommendations portion, myself and Algra did a

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presentation um to to kind of go over the the status of the recommendations and um and I mean, you know, little to nothing has changed. And you know the only thing that changed from when we

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went there to present in November was that the supposed dispatch started but as we saw it was been a 2% increase since you know the protocols were put in place in January. Um but this time again um the town council said that they are

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going to get these reports from from the town manager. So we're going to have you know going to have to wait and see how that happens. And supposedly we are going to be more meeting more regularly with the town council on these issues cuz we we need to continue the pressure. If we don't continue the pressure, it's

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not going to happen. So um and as we saw with the kind of the recommendations and the priority areas, most of them are not complete. That's basically the bottom line. Other um thoughts, questions, concerns?

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Erica? Um, I actually think the fact that we go in front of town council is how we get movement. So, again, I want to commend you and Allegra for working with Hala to get us on schedule because that was one of the goals of the retreat and we were able to get on there. Um so

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the last time we were there um you know that some of the town counselors were very surprised that Crest was not on dispatch and then you know the resolution u took place with some hiccups but it it did pass and um they were put on dispatch. I think now people

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are also surprised that they're only getting 2% of the calls. So you know the question then goes to the town manager and it seems that the town manager only answers our questions via the town council. So, um I know it's it's almost

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like, you know, um you know, one step forward, two steps backwards, but we are slowly um pushing the town council to be aware of what's going on and making them ask the questions of the town manager. And it's unfortunate that's the only way we're getting our answers. But I just

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want to thank the two of you for, you know, doing this. I know how frustrating it is to, you know, redo the slide deck and keep on saying nothing has moved, but we are making slow movement and slow progress. And I think, you know, having Sam uh make that statement, I think was

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very powerful. Um so I think, you know, we're raising their awareness. Um it seems that the letters we send sometimes go on deaf ears. Um you know, it just uh I think our presence is really what moves the town council. So, it's good that we go at least twice a year, but if

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we have to go three or four times, then we should. >> Yeah. And I want to thank, you know, Jill Breivik because she, you know, also was very essential in terms of getting us on um not only, you know, for the CSWG, but also for ICE, you know, to

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make sure that the three of us were at the table. Um and um yeah, I mean it's disingenuous to me um in terms of the town manager just because we were there in November. We had presented all

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of those questions and so then when they started asking him the questions for him to say, "Oh no, I don't have the answer to you for you today." I'm just like that that doesn't make any sense to me. you know, it just

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it's disingenuous. Um because you should have been prepared, you know, and and you should have had the answers there for us that day. So, I'll follow up with Manny Joe and see when and how and you know, then when he sends his answers, we'll we'll be

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able to follow up. But like you said, Eric, I think we need to continue to stay on their schedule and continue to go be in front of them and say, "Okay, where are we at with this? Where are we at with this?" you know, other um questions, comments, concerns.

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I just wanted to chime in and say it did feel nice to not have a meeting with the town council end in like a nuclear ending of the meeting by one counselor saying, "Let's stop this." Um, so that was a positive for me and I

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do think it seemed like there were more counselors than I would have anticipated that were willing to ask some questions and and questions that made sense and questions that I feel like would move certain things especially like crest

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hours for example in a direction that lines up. I mean, obviously we want them to be 247, but we also want them to be working in a in a time frame where they would be receiving calls from dispatch

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and that, you know, back in 2021, the LEAP report had a different idea of what that might look like. So, I do think that there are I was pleasantly surprised by the

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reception um on Monday. So, That's all. That's all I want to say. I mean, we still need to keep on them, but any other thoughts? I just think that it was um it was really nice to have both of those conversations together in the same

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night. And it felt um cohesive because there are so many overlaps between the immigrant community and the communities that use the services of crests and need a multicultural center and all that in Amorest that there questions are so

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closely tied together. Um and they're continuing to to use that energy. um I think hopefully will be helpful um in getting more allies and more backing,

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not siloing it into sort of two big separate issues. All right, folks. So, um, next one we have is a membership update. Um, so I know that Algra has an update for

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us, which I'm not too happy about. We do. I have an update. Um, I have decided to step down from my term. So, this unfortunately will be my last meeting. My term ends the end of June. Um, and I

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was hoping that I could have made it to the whole meeting. It's part of the reason I'm stepping down is just the moving parts of having two young kids and lots of meetings has worn me down. Um, but my daughter was in a lovely play

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this afternoon and my son had a baseball game and uh there are two of them going in different directions and they can't drive yet. So, um, but you know, I do really, it's bittersweet because I think this

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group, especially with our new members, um, and some of the recent, you know, direction that I think we've taken. It's been I feel like we've seen some movement in the past couple of months.

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So, it's an exciting time for the committee, I think, and it's I think also a good time to step away because I think it's in really good hands. Um, and it's just been an honor and a privilege to work with all of you. And it's not

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like I'm going away. Like, I will still be a thorn in the side of whoever doesn't want to support your recommendations. So, I will you won't hear the last of me tonight. That's for

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sure. But I will no longer be the co-chair with Miss Deborah. So, it's very sad and the decision that I had to make for my family and and myself. Um, so I just

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wanted to appreciate all of you for all of your hard work and helping me learn and grow. It it is sad and however you know I I think I'm sure everyone will say

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something but you know your advocacy um tireless advocacy um you know is one of the things that has propelled us to where we are. Um, you

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have been thoughtful and consistently ensuring that important perspectives are heard and considered. You are reaching to town staff and people that some at times don't even respond.

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Um, being willing to put yourself out there, your commitment, integrity, and willingness to speak up on behalf of others. you know, it has made a meaningful difference to both our work, our culture as a committee and to the

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community as a whole. And so, um, we all understand that decisions are hard and I I would say you are making the right one for your family. And you know, we all do that and so we appreciate and understand that and

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maybe you know it will you can spend the next two years planning your run for town council. Yeah. >> Don't you dare. >> Yeah. So, um I I will miss you and hopefully I

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get to see you around Belchon Courthouse again at some point. Um or in gymnastics regardless, but yeah. Yeah. And about in the town, but um again, your tireless advocacy, all that you do and I know you

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continue to do um thank you and I am very serious about the run for town council. Yep. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I know and and as EO has done, I'm opening it up to others to please go around and thank Allegra for her just

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tremendous work that she's done on this committee as a member and as a co-chair. Erica, >> um I I don't even know where to start. I agree with what um Errol just said. Um Algra, you're absolutely amazing. And I've worked with Algra on two committees. Um, and I was very excited

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um to know that Allegra and Deborah were co-chairs on this one. Um, I I think the two of you so compleiment each other. Um, and you've been wonderful leaders in terms of inclusivity. Um, you know, on boarding new members, uh, making sure

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that, you know, we have an opportunity to participate and you you are absolutely like, um, inclusive leaders um, you know, seeing this whole committee as we're all responsible versus just the two of you. Um so it just has been amazing um to watch the

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two of you and um Algra you the way you speak the way you think so comprehensively um and you know I know that you are in the community you just don't talk about things you're actually active in the community um it's just really amazing um

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how you do manage with two little kids uh and still you know two committees um always been there always you know supporting you know, the two of you supporting each other. Um, and always so thoughtful and and really just, you know, bringing in the lived experiences

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of those people that you've worked with as well as your own. Um, so it's not about data. It's not about, you know, anecdotes. It's about the lives we live and um it's just really I'm just really in awe of the and inspired. Um, so hopefully um I can live up to the work

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that you do. Um I know Deborah will keep me um true to myself in doing that. Uh and this committee is just amazing and we will absolutely continue the work that you and Deborah have you know put together and paved forward. Um you know to honor you know

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the work that you've you've been doing uh and that we'll always stay in touch and you know we'll always see each other in the community because you're always in the community. So, um I think it is really critical that we as women and as people of color um take care of

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ourselves and our families. Um and so I know how hard it is for you to make this decision because you have always given yourself and taking care of your family, but when your family needs you, then it takes really courage to say, "Okay, it's time to step back a little bit and take

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care of your family." So, um we know you still be an advocate. we know that we can call on you. Um we, you know, we know that you'll be there for us. Um and we're we're here for you. So when you run for town council or um you want us to pass along a message or you have some

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feedback, we're here for you and thank you for always being there for us. >> Thank you, Erica. Anna, >> um hi Algra. Um I'm so sad by the news. Um, but

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you've been absolutely amazing. You always have the right tone. You have the right things to say. You're prepared. You have a lot on your plate. Um, yet you always give so much of your time into this committee and the work that

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you know um the committee was charged to do. You're going to be absolutely missed um by all of us. Um, and when it comes to town council, you should absolutely run. Um, I was

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there for uh the questionnaires and you did absolutely amazing. Um, you know, everything happens for a reason and when the time comes, it will be the right time. Um, and I wish you the best of luck. Um, and hope to see you around.

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>> Elissa. Anna, do you want to say a few words? >> Yeah, you know, I don't I'm just getting to know Algra. Um, you know, as I've only been in the community a couple years, but I've already run into her in multiple contexts. Um, and always just

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seen consistency and advocacy and follow through. Um, and I'm sad to see you go as we as I'm getting started in this group, but >> do you have a feeling that we will continue to run into each other and continue to be able to work through this? And you have something you want to

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say. >> Hi Emerald. >> Hi. >> I want I want some of that those popsicles. >> It's a It's a mango sher so

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it's the Trader Joe's mango and cream pops. We're pretty hooked. >> Yummy. >> Root beer and tangerine, too. >> Yes. I have variety. I got toothp. Um, Camille, did you want to say a few words, too?

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>> Yes. Uh, Algra, I just want to thank you for being on the committee and being so welcoming to me. And, um, it was great to see you as a goddess last month. So um we were at an event and you are just

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a a ray of sunshine and at the same time you are a fierce advocate. So thank you very much. >> And you know last but not least I mean I don't even know what to say. Um but obviously you're going to be super

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missed. Um yeah, like I remember when I had heard about this person named Algra who was on um you know defund 413 right how was it is it 413 defund or >> defund 413 ammer 43 ammer

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>> I was like who's this person you know what I'm saying I'm like is he going to be legitimate you know and you are truly legitimate um definitely someone that you know we can count on um you know, you're a person,

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you know, obviously, you know, presents as a white woman and, you know, and for me, I've had obviously different interactions with white women throughout my life. Um, and and you are definitely someone that, you know, you are who you

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say you are. You know what I'm saying? Which was a breath of fresh air. Um because there's been other, you know, people and especially white people that say one thing and then they do something totally different, you know. So, it's it's just been a joy to work with you.

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Um to as everything else that people have said, right? You know, everything that you've contributed to our group, how you've moved this work forward, right, in leaps and bounds because of of your voice um and because you have not been afraid to share your voice. um and

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not afraid to be amongst a group that is, you know, at this point, you know, majority people of color, bipac people um and that you truly care about an inclusive, a socially just a safe

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ammerance for everyone and not just for a certain group of people, you know. Um, and obviously I've seen you as a mom, as you know, a daughter, as all of those roles, um, that I know a lot of us have those same roles, but you've excelled at

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all of them. Um, and even though I I selfishly was trying to convince you to stay on, I do understand obviously as a mom myself how important it is to make these types of decisions which is the best for your family. Um but also you

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know and then to kind of talk about just obviously like our teamwork and you know how it was really effortless um in terms of when I ended up you know um deciding to to you know run or be co-chair with

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you um after cuz it was Demetri and you right that were co-chairs for a while and obviously Demetri was fierce as we know and and brought so much to our group you know when she was part a CSJN before through 7th gen that we're still

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using that information um in our work till this day which was excellent information. Um and so you know it it was just seamless and even though both of us with all our roles it was really difficult at times of course cuz

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sometimes I would be super busy or you'd be super busy but we just knew how to like you know just support each other and and connect each uh connect and and help each other out. um and just pick up things where where we needed to pick up things and also utilize our strengths,

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right? And and know what what were our strengths and kind of utilize that. And then and then to be perfectly honest, too, it was just like, you know, as a white woman too, there were times when I'd be like, "Can you contact the town?" And you would get more of a response than I would. You know what I'm saying?

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Because since I'm a black woman, I wouldn't get a response from them, you know? Um, which just kind of, you know, proves the point in terms of us needing to do this work. Um, because, you know, me at least, I'm I'm someone who, you

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know, makes my voice heard. I'm sharing. But what about all of those in our community that can't and won't for a variety of reasons, right? Um and and chief amongst them being that they're intimidated by you know what might happen to them or they get retaliated or

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sometimes they don't even know how to uh do so um given that they are not told about the resources right and what the the town has to offer. So um so anyway you're going to be tremendously missed. Uh we thank you for your work but yeah

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don't think that means you're done. That means we still want you to, you know, I'm going to be like you're part of my network. So, I'm going to be saying, "Hey, we're meeting. I want you to, you know, at least have us on even if it's in the background listening in." And

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then as other constitu, you know, just keep on informing us. You know what I'm saying? cuz I know you're well connected and so you know keep informing us keep u letting us know when things are happening things like that because that's how we find out about things right is from our constituents um

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so that we we we still have to be a team in this work because as you see if not then we're not going to be able to do what we need to do for our residents. So thank you so much for um so in terms of the membership because

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I know obviously um you know co-chair um you know we we don't have to do it today because I know also we're missing Bridget um but I want to think I want you all to think about um for the next meeting like who might want to run for a

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co-chair because I know I cannot be a a single chair. I I need to have a co-chair. So, um you all marinate on it, but come prepared for the next meeting. That will be the agenda item to um select a new co-chair.

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Okay. Um and then we can also you know start thinking about and I I also say that to you Algra like people that could apply obviously to um join since you know since you will be leaving and obviously we want someone hopefully I I

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know it's big shoes to fill but someone fierce to to join CSSJC um after you because that's what we need. We need people that you know like the rest of you here because again I was so proud of all of us. I mean it was

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teamwork on Monday. All of us really showed up which is in is important and that's incredible. That's what we need. You know everyone made such incredible points um that I know that you know like I said our voice is is critical because we each have a different angle right

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that we bring and everything was was so important. So I'm really happy about this group. So yeah, whoever we bring in after Algra, I know never going to be able to to be Algra. We still want someone someone feast

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fierce to to to join us. So all right, the next one and at next um U meeting we will um vote on um new coaching. >> Okay, any other like membership updates?

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Um, I did have Oh, not a membership update. Sorry. >> Okay. >> Can I give a member report since I did not since I missed the beginning >> or should >> No, I think why don't we do it after the

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public comment because I also need to kind of there was one other um minute too that we need to vote on because we didn't have a quorum at the beginning at that point. >> Perfect. But let me open it up um to the

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second public comment. See if there's anyone in our audience that wants to do a public comment cuz we have three people in the audience right now. I do see someone.

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Miss Pat. Okay. Miss Pat, you're you're on. Can you hear us? >> Good evening. Can you guys hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I'll start with um

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my Algra. So, I ran into you Algra. Um I think when I served on CSWG you have sent me um email regarding

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either um something regarding um I'm trying to think what it was but in our exchange I found out you were actually schoolmate with my oldest child um Michael

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and I've watched you in this community. Um, you're a rare breed. I can I can tell because you say and you do what you say. You're very consistent.

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You know how to bring people together for people to listen to you. You're very humble and at the same time you take risk. You show up when it matters most.

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Um I know you and I have had private conversation whether or not to continue um with CSW uh CSSJC and you made the right decision. This work is very hard in

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addition to being you know full-time mom and work and everything and just you have made a huge impact. You may not realize it um not only in

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CSSJ and other committees that you have served. You know, I don't call too many people my community daughter. And so, you're one of those. In fact, it came up in a conversation with one of my

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grandchildren. And he says, "Grandma, but she's white." So I actually had to sit her down and explain my criterias especially you know young white women

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who I choose to call you know community daughter or even non-white the I don't use that so frequently and Algra BBA is very grateful to you. I

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don't re I don't know if you remember one incident one night at that council meeting everybody was gone and uh members of my group we were all there in force you yeah you're heading yeah

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you're nodding and when we didn't get you know Paul Bachmann had made all his recommendation to the town council mostly MS forward town council then and nothing for us and

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we all went to the hallway. Allegra, we're the only white woman that stuck stuck with us as we're in the hallway and we're chatting and protesting and everything

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and I believe that they tried to call, you know, police that night for disturbance, but police didn't show up. And so my point is you're being very consistent. You do what is right. Whether or not you continue, you know, with CSSJC, you will

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always be relied on, especially among people who look like me, marginalized people. We appreciate you. I can't thank you enough. um get some rest so that you can prepare for town council because election does

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have um consequences and we're seeing it now. I agree with all all of you what you said about Algra is 100% correct and thank you. God will continue to bless you and your family for the good

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work you're doing. You're leaving a huge legacy. um serving on CSSJC. Thank you so so much on behalf of BBAA, on behalf of my family, on beh on on behalf of black community.

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You are superstar. You walk the work and you don't even show it. Am I allowed to say other stuff in general observations? >> Do Yeah, go right ahead. >> Can I? >> Yes. >> Okay. So

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on Monday I watched the 4hour meeting that you guys had. First I want to thank you all and also the human right commission commissioners for your

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time for doing excellent job you know making presentations making your statements comments and everything. I think what I want to say is that even prior to the meeting

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based on what I know about our local government decision have already been made on how they want to respond to you guys. Okay. So there is no interest but it's

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good that we have some allies now on the town council. Okay, that is pushing a little bit because all this CSWG that I I was part of and Deborah, you too, we made this recommendation 5 years

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ago and we've been, you know, we've been pushing all these years. Nothing is going to happen unless if we let more progressive, you know, that will be majority when we vote or when Paul Bachmann leave, you know, uh his

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position. It's already been decided before that meeting that one that they're not going to answer questions or avoid it and they're not going to change from it. I was I have been very disappointed with

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the leadership of the town council president that um even with the hate letter, no public comment uh public statement from her on Monday she manages agenda

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you know there there was no commitment from her zip zero like well follow up maybe we'll do this. That's how they've always rolled in this town. But we cannot give up.

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And when people feel tired, it's okay to take a break. It's not a weakness. I always tell people that uh people ask me, and I'm sure many people have been doing this long before, you know, I you know, I got involved.

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What keeps you going? I said, I do take a break. you see me at CS SJC, I quit. I didn't even reapply because I felt that Paul was just put us there

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and not to be effective. So I'm like I have many platforms, you know, to raise my big mouth. Progressive coalition of MS area, I'm the president there. BBAA, black business, I'm the president there. I don't even have to belong to any

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organization. The media is always, you know, bombarding me, always calling me for my opinions, not even only local media up to Springfield area. So, I don't need to serve on CSSJC to be, you know, to continue to

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advocate. So, I thank you all for that. Another thing I want to say is that um I was kind of frustrated with some of our counselors when they're expressing that they didn't know that

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Chris wasn't getting, you know, much calls. Come on now, please. You know, isn't it their job to, you know, be asking those questions as part of their in agenda setting?

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you know to come as a surprise. I don't know what to make of that is really yeah it was mindboggling to me. I wouldn't say that you know the meeting was a show but I will say that

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nothing has changed in our town. Zero zero. I appreciate you all for your powerful statement. you know, Ronnie Parker when she spoke and Debbie when you spoke, I you know, I had some

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extended family members who were also watching. People were in literally in tears when two of you spoke. That's how powerful it was. I had to explain to my family members who don't know two of you.

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Uh try to explain to them. So your work matters. Um I've been thinking like CSSJC needs to be beyond adversary board. I think you guys you know the new

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leadership whoever becomes co-chair with Debbie is something you guys need to think about. You see how you know human right commission was able to elevate their committee a little bit. I think in order

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for CSSJC to get things done, I think they need to give you guys more power, the town and the the town council and the town manager. I think that's part of my frustration and that's the reason why

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I quit. Like it's almost like Paul wanted this committee just to be a venting session and it's not fair to all of you with all your time and everything. Something needs to change and you guys

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need to push for that. And lastly, and I'm sorry I I've taken so long seriously and I've been saying this and I'm I'm going to stick to it. It may not be you know popular thing to say

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if the town council come up with a recommendation of Rob R that CSWG did not recommend. I think you all should work as a team and reject it.

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It's not going to stop Paul for create from creating you know RO O but you know rejection from CSSJC and hopefully from human right commission will send a very strong message

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because we don't what we don't want is to have R O like CSSJC and I'm not and I'm not trying to be insulting when I say that you don't want another committee that's supposed to protect help help

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marginalized communities to just be not you know just nothing not being effective. So I'll stop there. Thank you guys so much and thank you again um Algra. I appreciate I appreciate you all.

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>> Thank you Miss Pat. Thank you Miss Pat. So now, um, Algra, I think you had something you wanted to to bring up. Uh, yes. So, there will be a town council meeting on Monday and they will

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be reviewing the budget and possibly voting on the budget, but they also yesterday at G um looked at a rent control resolution which is would be signing on in support

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of the legislation that is in front of the House and Senate in Massachusetts currently to resend the 1994 ban on rent control in an effort to try and help

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>> um curb the rising tide of homelessness and housing and affordability. So, um there is a petition going around and the um the measure is sponsored by counselors

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Brevik, Cono Martin, and Walker. Um and they are looking for people as community sponsors. So, um I believe I sent it around to everybody, but it is also available on the indie. Um, if you feel

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so compelled to do so, please sign on and if you know people who might be interested, um, forward it along to your networks. Um, hopefully there will be a turnout in support of the resolution.

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But I think also just collecting the names in advance is helpful um to show community support. And I just did want to um note that in 2023 this group along with the human rights commission, the housing trust and um the

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public health department had sponsored a forum a listening session on housing in Ammerst and rent control was one of the things that had come up in multiple conversations there. So it is something that

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is adjacent to our mission um and has come up in community events that we've co-sponsored. So that is my update. Thank you, Algra. Um so in terms of

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that, I know I I I probably won't be able to attend on the 15th. Um, so I'm planning to send in my comment at least um into the for the meeting, but is there other people? Are there other

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people that can attend for my group? >> Um, is this in the town hall? >> Yeah, I think they have Zoom too, right? Um, town hall or Zoom and it starts at 6:30. Okay. I think I can make it. >> Okay, that would be great. That's

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>> Yeah, the the information is on the email you forwarded. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because then you can report back to us um on it next next meeting. >> I might be able to as well and thank you. >> Great.

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>> Um forwarded. >> Awesome. So and Anna if you all can if you do attend if you can report back next time. Okay. And then the last thing before we

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see any items not anticipated um was in terms of um adopting the let me see May 13th May 13th minutes. Um so the only people that weren't on was Lette and

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Algra at the time. So we didn't have quorum u because Erica wasn't at that meeting so she abstained um during the vote. So if do you all have any edits to the minutes May 13th minutes? >> No. >> Okay. No.

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>> If not. >> Okay. Great. So then I'll make a mot I'll I'll yeah make a motion to adopt the minutes. >> So moved. >> And then is there a second? I

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>> Okay, great. And um Algra, >> yes. >> Lette, >> yes. >> Anna, >> yes. >> Ever? >> Yes. >> Erica, >> abstain.

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>> And Deborah, yes. So, we've adopted the May 13th meeting uh minutes. And for our last item is um items not anticipated. Um are there any

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items not anticipated? Okay, there aren't any. Our next meeting is going to be July 8th um at 6:30. Let me just make sure I get I'm on the

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right calendar date here. Sorry. Yeah. So, Jul Oh my god, my computer's going crazy over here. Now, let me get to July. Yeah, July 8th 6:30. Um, so I'll send a agenda around since

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like doing it. Um, so we you'll have our usuals, right? Um, so the, you know, if we have any minutes, announcements, minutes, member reports, uh, public comment, Crescent DI

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updates, resident oversight board, um, youth empowerment, um, and then we'll have membership, okay? Because we will be voting for a co a new co-chair. And then if you all have any other people, you know, in terms of

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recruits that we want to recruit, so that will be added. Um, I will put on there the uh racist letter too because I know there's going to be a discussion. So, I'm going to contact Kathleen in regards to it and folks will um also report. I'll put there in terms of the

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housing the rent control. Um, and then is there any other one that I should add right now that people know? If not, then obviously we can add it then when I send the general round. What about followup on um the information we're supposed to be getting from town

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council and >> Yep, that'll be me. Yep. So, town council, I'll put the town council followup follow up. Okay, perfect. All right, folks. It's 8:55.

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Um there's nothing else then we are adjourning for the evening. Okie do. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night.