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time, the participation will be discontinued from the meeting. At tonight's meeting, the design review board will conduct the following business. We'll start with general public comment period. And then we have two items on tonight's uh agenda. DRB FY202608
Mc Murphy's Tavern and uh 202609 Valley Orthodontics. We'll then move on to approval of October meeting minutes and any other business unanticipated. So, let's start off. If there's any members of the public who wish to speak
tonight, please let us know by raising your hand. No members are present other than our applicants. >> All right, then let's jump in. Murphy's should be joining us shortly. Okay. Oh, someone's got their hand.
>> Oh, there we go. >> There we are. Hi, and welcome. >> Hi. Hi. Sorry. >> Glad to have you here. How should we refer to you tonight? >> Oh, Brian is fine. >> Brian, hi. Welcome. Um, and >> hi >> Mariana joining you? No. Um, okay,
great. We're glad you're here, Brian. Um, would you like to share your screen to walk us through your proposal or would you like me to share the documents that you shared with us? >> Oh, yeah. I didn't If you could just share them, that'd be great. >> Okay, I will do that a second to uh and
>> just a quick uh so you know what I have. We've got this um >> Yep. photograph zooming in on the and then these three images um your existing sign and what's currently on the building.
>> Yes. >> Is it okay to start with this one? >> Yep. >> Great. Why don't you um walk us through what your proposal is? We're we're using the exact same sign company who who does the signs over there at that building and they are just resurfacing the existing signs exact
same dimensions. We're just putting our logo on it. >> Okay. >> It's a if you look at the color it kind of it that kind of almost looks like a mustardy yellow gold. Ours is much more of um like a if you look at our sign
it's more of a metallic gold. >> A true poly gold. Yeah. And is this your intention? >> It's still very similar. I was just pointing it out. >> Okay. Um All right. So, this is your existing sign. >> Yeah. >> And um
>> been up there for a long time. It's a It's a little weathered. >> It's got character. Um All right. And then, um in exactly the same place as the current >> exactly the same place. They're just
taking the um the frame the sign down and they're just rewrapping it and and uh doing that. >> Okay. Um could you say anything at all about the materials that you're going to be >> It's a um the the one we're looking at
right now. Um it's it's not like an acrylic plastic one like the Drake is. There's no lights behind it or anything. I think it's more of a a fabric type canvas. Does it say anything on applied to first surface color?
>> Applied to first surface. >> It's more of like um it's the same material that's already existing at the White Lion sign. Uh it's it's like a canvas style, >> smooth and flat. >> Yeah. There's no um it's not like the wooden sign we have now that has like uh
carved out and indents and stuff. And it's not like the Drake sign over there where they have it lit up from inside with plastic and all kinds of stuff. >> Okay. >> All right. I will >> Oh, sorry. >> Please, if you have if you have more to introduce us to, by the way.
>> I was just going to say that the one we're looking at now, um, that's a uh a type of plastic plexiglass, but there there is no light inside of it. We thought it was lit up, but it's not. It's just it's just the way it is. Okay.
All right, great. I will um open the floor to clarifying questions, comments from uh members of the DRB. >> Erin, please. >> Yes. I'm just wondering about the what you refer to as mustard versus the
metallic gold. Is it your intention to stick with the mustard yellow or to use your metallic? If if it if you look on the color guide from the company there where the the picture was just up before that.
>> Um there you go. Thank you. Um if you look on the uh placement reference, it's a uh artwork TV green and gold color scheme. I was just pointing out, you know, it's it's on a uh
>> computer. It doesn't look exactly >> the same. I mean, I don't know if I'd call that mustard. I I don't know what color you'd call that, but >> but you're in. >> It's going to be the same metallic as close as we can. Gold is what I call it as the sign that we already have existing.
>> Okay. Thank you. Great. >> That that's all I meant is when they sent it over to me, even though it says gold, I mean, and I might not have the best color vision, but it that doesn't look like quite a gold to me. >> Right. Okay. >> But they they do have the right colors.
It's the gold color on the signage. >> Thanks, Pat. Do you want to jump in? >> I I just am curious. Are are you moving the entire location of your business?
>> Uh, yeah. Actually, um, so Barry Roberts owns both the buildings. Um and uh the Mc Murphy's building that we're currently in um that we've been in for 28 years uh is being demolished. Um they're building uh similar footprint.
They're building uh it'll be uh commercial on the bottom and I think I think the plan is for one or two apartments above, but he's not building one of those giant buildings. >> Thank you. >> As far as I know, I mean that's that's Barry's project. That's not my project
obviously. >> And and Barry has done a good job. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. We we've really enjoyed being tenants of his. >> Um but I just was curious is whether you're you're just moving the entire business and so that's
probably a good location for you. Um >> yeah. I mean it's different but um you know hey when you when you got to move you got to move. So it it worked out that there was a space literally across the street. >> Abs. Absolutely. I've been in town late
at night and I've seen lines to your door. [laughter] >> You know, they still find you. >> Some some years there's been especially the postcoid couple years. Um there was a lot. It's definitely more normal now.
Everything's kind of slowed down. Unfortunately, um the lines are not as prevalent as they used to be. >> Um but the the town the students are a little different. Schools tougher and kids have to go to class. >> Right. Right. Now, are you going to
remove the white lion from the door? >> Yeah. >> Well, the Oh, you mean that little decal? Yeah, that's just a It's just a sticker. >> Oh, okay. Just Just checking. Um, but thank you for the for the input. I appreciate
that. >> Yeah, we we don't have any plans of putting stickers on the doors. Um, obviously if further down the road we ever thought about it, we would obviously just submit it again with you guys. >> Yeah. Come back for the the shamrock on the door. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] You know, we're
we're kind of going in. We're going to get open and and and slowly take it from there. And, you know, it's a new place. It's different. So, we're going to >> do things a little a little differently. >> When do you plan to open the business in this location?
>> There's there's no date. We just started all the paperwork. Um, you have to wait this the state um we have to get approved by the town um uh all through all the meetings and then it goes to the state like anything else.
>> Um so, it takes time. I I just a ballpark guess. Um maybe by the start of next semester. >> So after the first of the year. >> Yeah. Yeah. That'd be like closer to February. >> Yeah. And so do when you talk about this
the town in the state, does that mean you have to apply to have your liquor license um transferred to the new? >> Yeah. It's not a transfer where you're buying a business, but it's a a change of location is called. >> Oh, okay.
>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that >> insider insider information. Um, you know, it's the secret silver lining of being a member of the DRB as we get the scoop. Uh, so I'm wondering, Lindsay, if you have any thoughts.
>> Um, I think overall it's pretty straightforward. It looks nice. I'm glad to see that there's um popular business going in there. That'll be great. Um, my only question, >> it's not really a question, just I guess a thought. I was just looking at your
sign from Google Street View. Um, and noticing that your current sign Yeah. has that kind of um, yeah, that that detail on the corners, which I think is really charming and I'm wondering
>> Yeah. So, so that's not >> interesting creating that. >> In a in a perfect world, if I could just plop that off, have it painted and plop it over. Um, it's just it doesn't work with any of the space there. It's a pretty large
uh dimensional sign and and the wood we're not even sure if the wood will hold up when we we might actually have the sign company take it down and refurbish it and maybe we can use it in the um as like a decoration somewhere uh
in the new location. >> Um we're gonna we're going to try we're not sure. The wood looks good from the outside. It's a little beat up, but we're hoping it stays together. But Lindsay, with the fact that like the the the square sign up above has a border on it already, are you suggesting that
maybe that detail gets >> referenced somehow? >> Oh, right. And then also on the new sign that's rectangular, I think you could introduce it as just a line. >> Oh, you know what? That's possible.
>> They're gonna be doing the whole um I I think it's just a a sticker cover. I I think that's what's on there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so what you're saying is and that's a great idea. I didn't even think of that. Is actually just to have them match the border up. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. That'd be kind of neat. I'll I'll
um I I'll see if it's something they can do. I don't know how those [snorts] plexiglass ones work. >> Um because our old sign was wood. I mean it's you know it was made 28 years ago. But um >> I don't think the suggestion is like not to change the shape but just to to include that border
>> as Yep. I gotcha. Yeah. No, that's >> great idea. >> And it would go all the way around so you would see the top and bottom >> just like you were saying matching up the um >> Yep. I got you. >> Yeah, they could probably I'm assuming
that they can like black out like the >> I don't know what you want to call it. A quarter round, whatever. You know that sign. >> Yeah, I I see what you're saying. Yeah, it's a good idea. I'll definitely um because I told them we were going to have this meeting um and uh I could get
back to them after that. >> And I do think, you know, I didn't think about doing on this on the square sign, but that's another opportunity if you wanted to explore that. Um >> I could ask him to see what it looks like. It might look a little funky on the square one. >> It might look a little funky on the
square one. >> Yeah. But I I could still ask them to to, you know, render it and see if it see what they think. They're the sign people. >> Yeah. >> And >> yeah, [clears throat] I'm wondering about that. Sorry. >> No, please go ahead, Lindsay.
>> Just the the bright green line. I like that, but I was thinking I wonder if it would want to be the >> I don't think that's supposed to be bright green, but I I think it's just the way they put it. >> So, there would just be no border. I didn't I didn't ask them to put a border
on it, but if they were going to put a border, I I would match it with the gold. >> Yeah, >> they just got this back because um I had messaged them um they didn't realize I was having the meeting today, so I was trying to be like, could you please get
me something to present to the board? >> Okay, I think those are my only comments. No, that's I I'll definitely when I email them back, ask them if they can um look at the existing and see what they can do.
>> Great. Um my comments were Lindsay picked up on what I was going to ask about the about the border. So, I otherwise think that this is a really clean package and it um
>> I I the border, honestly, I didn't even notice it until you guys pointed it out. I never asked them to put that in. I I I was just to I had said to them plain just the hunter green with the gold. >> So if you guys just want to all agree to not have that border, don't it'll be
gone. If you know >> Yeah, I'm thinking about that. >> It doesn't It doesn't match anything I asked them to do. I didn't ask >> The color doesn't match, right? >> No. No, it doesn't. I I didn't notice it
till you said it. >> Oops. This one. >> Yeah, you have a gold border. >> It's gold. Exactly. Yeah. It's not green. It's gold. It's the same bold. >> Yeah. Okay. Um
I'm going to stew on that for a second. Um and turn it over to Karen in case she has any uh observations, comments. You're referring to Karen and not Karen. >> That's right. Because just Karen hasn't
had an opportunity to comment yet. So I just wanted to leave space for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh. Um and Karen, you are muted. >> Sorry. Uh yeah, I agree. I think this is very straightforward. Um, I like it and
I like the old one a lot. I It would be nice to have the shamrock there and the little gold line, but as it is, I totally agree. I think it's going to be perfectly wonderful. And so, I have no objections at all.
>> Okay. So the one thing that's very clear is that we're going to suggest introducing the border edge graphic on the rectangular sign.
>> Appreciate that you're on board with that, Brian. And then >> yeah, >> um folks, there seems to be we're still a little bit uh up in the air about whether to retain a border on the square
sign. I'll call it the square sign. I know it's not square. >> Yeah, it's the easiest way. Yeah, >> upper sign. Um and to do it in in gold or to remove it al together. >> Yeah, I either one is fine. I had never asked them to put a border on. I think they just did that.
>> I mean, my sense is that it pops nicely with a border. >> That's probably why they did it, but it it would not be um whatever you want to call that lime green. It would be gold. >> It would be gold. >> Yeah. >> Lindsay, you popped your hand up. Would you
>> I just I think um the addition of a gold line where the green line is would be a nice >> great >> element. >> All right. So, I'll jump in with a a motion on this one. Um, if Oh, please. Sorry, Karen.
>> Um, I was just wondering. I'm trying to see what the lighting would be. >> So, there is I just we've just started going over there and just started doing some things. There is the um you can see it right there in the um like existing photo
of of the building. Uh no, the picture you were just on. >> Oh, you can see it in the corner there, too. Huh. Well, either one. Yeah, you got it. >> I've never seen it on. I think when it was the Ammerst Brewing Company, I've been there a long time. It was
definitely on cuz I remember the spotlight. I don't know if Highorse had a a lit sign. Um I think kind of like the Drakes. I think it had like an LED sign if I remember correctly. Um, I haven't seen it on,
but um, I eventually I'll go over there and take a look to see is it just a bulb that's out. I've turned on every light switch I could find at the place I it didn't turn on. >> Got it. >> Okay, thank you. Yeah, maybe that there's just ample street light there and people feel they don't need it.
>> It's Yeah, it's it's pretty well lit. Um, the Drake sign is an LED sign that's pretty much lit 24/7. There's a lot of street lights right there. So, it's it's not a big it's not a uh a mustave for us.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> My my guess is it's just a it's just a bulb that has probably hasn't been replaced in years and years and years and years. >> All right. Any final comments?
I'm going to I'm going to um move to approve the submission with the following suggestions. That Mc Murphy's introduce a gold border edge graphic on the long rectangular sign. >> Mhm.
>> That references the scalloped edge >> of the existing sign. and on the upper sign to change that border color to gold. >> Got it. >> Second.
>> Thank you, Lindsay. All those in favor, please let us know by saying I and or raising your hand. That's unanimous. Great. >> Thanks, Brian. >> Okay. Is that it? >> That's it. Um, our recommendations our recommendations are going to get uh typed up and sent to the building
inspector and Okay. >> They'll follow us through with you. Okay, perfect. I'll email the uh sign company. >> Great. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Have a good day. >> You too. >> Thank you. Bye. Bye.
>> All right. Next document in the Valley Orthodontics is coming. Greetings. >> Hi. >> Welcome. Glad you're here. >> Hi. I'm not Mariana Hoy. That's one of
our owners. I'm Sarah. >> Hi, Sarah. Um, great. Well, we have uh one visual document from from you all, which I'm happy to screen share. Um, or you could do that and share your your images with
us. Which would you prefer? >> Um, I'm okay if you share it. That'd be great. >> Okay, I'll do that. And then if you could uh walk us through what you are intending to do. Um, >> sure. >> That would be great. >> So, um, we rent in this office space on
Pleasant Street, North Pleasant Street, and we've been around since 1986. Um, one of the owners is still the same, Dr. Joan Walder. And all we are looking to do is update our business name to in the valley orthodontics. We cannot change
color, text, size or anything. So it's just updating to our new business name. >> That's so simple. And that happens on the uh on the standalone sign outside the building on the sign that's right on
the building and apparently on the door. So that uh wooden door is the interior door which we are still not settled on but it's not an exterior door. So we're still >> outside anyway. >> Yeah. >> Um and uh
it looks like maybe the the the the paint on the signage the existing signage is blue. >> Um I think it's white. It's just the coloring >> white. And then the letters are >> black. >> They're black. Okay. >> Does look blue.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, that color. >> It'll match it'll match. All right. So, DRB members, any comments? >> None. Pretty straightforward. [laughter] >> Yeah, I was just going to say it's I think it's I think it's good.
>> It's a change. Slam dunk. >> Yay. Very simple. >> Anybody want to make a motion? >> Move to move to approve the sign as shown in the uh drawing.
>> What's that? >> Oh, she just made a motion to approve. >> Oh, okay. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> Thanks, Matt. All those in favor, please say I. Hi. >> Hi. >> Raise your hand. >> Hi. >> You got Pat, too. All right, that's unanimous. You're all set. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much for your help. Have a good night, ladies. >> Thank you, too. >> Night. >> Okay, that was a nice simple Let's see. I have to pull up the
meeting minutes. Um, where did they go? >> I resent them uh via email when I resent the agenda. >> Thank you, Justinta. Has anybody had an
opportunity to read? >> Not the latest, just the ones that were previously posted. Okay. >> The latest just um omitted the paragraph the first paragraph under discussion. That's the only change.
>> You scroll through it, please. Or should we just look at it on our own? >> Yeah, I No, I'm happy to scroll through it. I'm just um I'm still pulling up the the latest version and um yeah, sorry, apologies. Oh, I have I have so many I have a lot of
windows. All right, so here we are. October 27th. The first um proposal was from Fresh Side. They were revisiting their proposal from August. And then we also talked about Vera
Cruzana. Love Vera Cruzana. Um, I think that the wording is a little unclear in the discussion, at least the way I'm reading it. Um, I just had to read it a few times. The overall preference for the sign
>> is that it fits within the black border that it's provided on the building. I think I think what you're saying, Justinta, is that because it fits within the black border that it's
that it was determined that it was acceptable. Is that what that's that sentence is indicating? Let me just read it one more time. >> When I read it, I I felt that that was picking up on
my comment which was not shared by the rest of the members of the board present that night, which was that the the sign should fit within the black border. And so >> I think that if that was attributed to me >> rather than suggesting that it was like the board's preference because
ultimately that wasn't our vote, right? >> Is this under discussion? in the paragraph under discussion. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Um the first bullet point. >> Yeah, I was trying to reflect um Erica's point, but maybe I you know I don't want to put
everybody's name next to everything. I just tried to summarize. Um, so that is what that was referring to. Um, >> is there a way that I can make it clearer? >> Had the following questions and
comments. Perhaps instead of want you could say could the black bar fit within like pose that as a question and yeah, >> it can do that. I noticed that the lighting's still there and I thought she had said that it
was already gone. >> Yeah, it's still there. >> Yeah. Um I think maybe the language >> is going to stay. >> Oh, um sorry. Can you go back up, Erica, please? >> Apologies.
um where it says the lang there's a language that has been developed along this route in terms of consistent sign height are the so are these comments supposed to be quotes
observations that were made during the discussion >> okay um so it's okay to paraphrase Yeah, I think if we're paraphrasing, I would just edit the language here.
Um, the wording here a bit. Um, I think I would change it's super cool, even though I'm probably the person who said that. [laughter] [gasps] um to maybe just
um that we appreciate >> the way that those letters extend beyond. >> Sure. >> Um and discussed what it would take to fit those within the
black border because I don't think we wanted them to cut them. I think we just were talking about what it would involve. >> So, I don't want to say that we would like for them to be trimmed. Um, and also it's actually a metal.
Um, I think we were talking about it as black because the picture looked like it was a black um background on the sign. Um, but it's actually metal. So, um which I think is significant.
>> Let [snorts] me just I don't know if I can share my screen really quickly. >> Oh, sure. >> So that you can see the changes that I'm making. Um where else did I make a change? Hold on. I just highlighted them. Let me try
sharing. Okay. Can everyone see that? >> Yes. >> All right. So, um, just going back really quickly to the first note. I've changed the first bullet point so that it reads more like a question
with the black bar of the sign. Hold on. Fit within the frame. Um, >> that's already there. >> Yeah. >> Is that better? >> Yeah. just um uh
your cursor right stop and then just delete from there all the way to within. Perfect. >> Great. >> Perfect. And then the next highlighted one. >> Oops. Let me save it until we're done. That's
okay. I'll save it after. Keep going. I would also I think just in terms of simplicity of reading it because I it took me a few times to understand the first line. Um I would say there is a consistent sign height
in this block of buildings or something like that. Um, that's Yeah, that's good. That's good. Does that read a little bit better? Um, I wouldn't say the black were trimmed because it's not totally clear,
but um, maybe just the sign. The sign was trimmed. What do you guys think? No, I think this is nice. It clarifies. And then those little sub bullets refer That makes sense.
Um, I don't know if we should say that bullet point just because I don't want to insult other >> which is the best one to date. Yeah. [laughter] Um, >> okay. I just [gasps]
I don't know that anyone reads these, but in case they do. >> Okay, looks good. >> Okay, great. Shall we keep going? Um, yep. >> And um, I don't think that she was
unwilling to remove it. I think she was reluctant. Um, I don't know. Is that what you guys gathered? >> That's fair. I think that's fair. and in this in the sentence above. Same
thing. Okay. All right. And then we have the motion corners are cleaned up. The attachments are made. I thought that the language around protocol was clear and Um,
I'm sorry. I feel like I'm being really nitpicky, but I just I think that I just think about how this is being read by the person who's applying. And um I think I under discussion I would up to
me I would say members of the board um felt the sign was helpful in clarifying the location. I I don't believe that the sign was needed. I mean they're proposing that it's needed. We certainly >> that's fine.
>> I just feel like it's making kind of a an unnecessary value judgment and but it's fine. You guys are good with it. >> I don't know. I mean, I guess Lindsay, in this case, it's like that was their proposal, so we were agreeing with the
applicant. So, I don't You can change it to say agreed with. >> I think that's helpful. >> You could get rid of the needed. You could just talk about clarify the location.
Okay. So members of the board agreed with the applicant that the sign was >> the sign would clarify the location. >> Is there I wasn't there. So >> that's a nice suggestion. I think you're
right. >> Yeah, that's helpful. Um, and then the only other thing is I was thought we talked about um recommending that they treat the copper in a way to
um have it patina the way that the um blade sign does. >> I think he said that the that the sign would be made of the same materials and treated the same. So, we let it go
instead of just special instruction, >> right? Um I didn't see that there was that note that they said that they would treat it the same way. >> I agree. >> So, while there were concerns about the aging process of the natural copper and
the patina's appearance throughout the transition, um well, let's see. I can change that then. Let's I think you could just say the board recommended um treating the natural copper
to manage the patina. Um and the applicant agreed, it would be treated as the same way as the existing sign that seem right. That work.
>> Yes. No. Looks good. Sorry, I'm not always seeing your faces. So, if you're a [laughter] great >> Got you. Looks good. Um, all right. And then we had a a motion um and a second
and we all voted. Great. [clears throat] Okay. Any other um edits to the last minutes? No. All right. Um I move to approve as
amended the minutes of October 27th, >> 2025. I second. >> Oh, Karen, who is somebody speaking? I'm >> No, I'm sorry. I heard I heard a
>> I said I second I second the motion. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um all those in favor? I >> I >> I abstain. I wasn't there. >> Fair. All right. So we have um Lindsay,
Karen Winter, Pat Off, Eric Zikas approving, and Karen Bloom abstained. >> Okay, thank you. >> Great. Um any other
business, any updates on the downtown design standards? I don't have any updates on that. I think they're still working on it because they are supposed to distribute them so that everyone can review them
and weigh in on them >> and know that there is a pending zoning amendment before the planning board this week to sort of freeze any additional development in housing until the design review standards are approved.
>> So, that's happening this Wednesday. Um but other than that I don't have any additional information on the standards themselves. >> Okay. >> Um are there any updates in the um from the the planning board about a new
representative member? >> I think uh if if someone had agreed to do it, they would have told me because I I've was in uh talking to Nate and I think nobody volunteered. All right. Well, thank you for doing that outreach, Karen. Um, I know you're
not on that board any longer and now you're just a member of the DRB and we're so happy to have you. Um, but I wonder about the the town rules around that and maybe just if you want to have a conversation with Nate about pushing a
little harder on that if we are required to have >> raising her hand. >> Yeah. >> Nate. Nate actually wrote me about this and he said uh that he would be in communication with me and then he would relay what I told him. So it's just a
little bit more work for Nate, but that's the way it's going to go right now because of the board members are busy or aren't going to do it. So there will be the the normal transition,
but in the meantime, is going to take over that role of being the communicator. >> I see. I see. All right. Well, and thank you then for to to you and to Nate for going that extra step. Um All right. And Pat, as a liaison to
the historical commission? No. >> Yes. >> Yes. That's [laughter] >> and and I've been appointed for yet another year. >> Oh, congrats. >> I've been on the historical commission since 2018.
>> And um I was originally um informed that I had served the ter the allowable terms, whatever that means. Um and I wouldn't be reappointed. And then I got a letter from from the town manager saying I was reappointed for another year. So
>> they extended for you. Interesting, right? >> Um All right. All right. Okay. Um >> question, >> please. >> New time work for everyone. How does everyone feel about 4:30? >> It's fine.
>> It's for you, Erica. >> It was a hustle, but I made it. [laughter] >> I did it. I have class until 4, so I'm just like scrambling. Um but yeah, it worked. So, if it works well for everybody else, should we stick with it?
>> Sure. >> It works for me. >> Would it be better to do like 445? Like, I don't I just don't want you to have to >> No, don't worry about it. It's once once a month I can I can work this. >> Okay. It's helpful to me, but
>> yeah, that's I think it's worth it for exactly that reason. >> Um Okay. All right. >> Okay. So, we'll stick with 4:30. >> And our next meeting then is on the calendar for >> December.
Um, I want to say it's the 15th, but let me just double check because I have a lot of dates floating around my brain. >> I also have the 15th. >> You have the 15th as well. >> There are five Mondays in December this
year. That's wild. Yes, it's 15. >> It's the first night of Hanukkah. >> Affects anybody's um participation, but I'm able to join. >> Okay. So, 4:30 p.m. on December 15th.
>> I'll see you then. >> All right. Board meeting later this week. Have a lovely evening everybody. >> You too. >> Thank you. Thank you for a good meeting and nice to see everybody. Bye. You >> too. Bye.