##VIDEO ID:GSP4fIWPB4Y## I'm Gonna Make You thank You yep okay and then I'm gonna say have a great meeting bye bye thank you have a happy vacation all right gosh it feels like when your when your parents leave you home alone for the first time whenever Athena leaves um all right everyone it is August 22nd Thursday at 6:30 p.m. and I'm going to call this meeting of go to order it's been a minute since we've met so thank you all for for joining us this week um I'm going to start by making sure folks can hear and be heard let's start with Lynn grimer present excellent uh George Ryan I'm here excellent and Pat d'angeles I'm here and my Bluetooth is not working so I have to figure out no harol can hear everything so gotta figure out what I Wrong do you put computer audio on when you're you have computer audio on but there's a little carrot next to the audio button uh little arrow if you click that make sure your speaker is set to your Bluetooth headphones and your microphone is set to your Bluetooth headphones okay I'll have to I'll do that next time I guess now test speak switch to phone audio all right well Pat is solving that we are going to move through um to to our agenda items and if councelor ET joins us we will um we will make sure that he can hear and be c as well so we are going to start I believe with public comment um and hang on I just want to make sure that was first in the agenda yep all right so we're going to start with public comment uh if we have any uh attendees who would like to make public comment you can raise your hands now Dr shabaz I know you are also here for another item on the agenda if you'd like to make public comment you're welcome to um by raising your hand in Zoom all right going once going twice okay so we're gonna start today we've got three things on our agenda today we have the African Heritage reparation assembly successor body charge we have the uh review of bylaw 3.26 nuisance property and then we have a resolution I'm planning to spend roughly 45 minutes on each of the first two items saving the last 15 for um uh the resolution knowing that all of those things will likely go over um but that's my those are my aspirations if it sounds good for everyone uh if that sounds good to everybody else so oh excellent I'm here so glad you're here sorry uh if you didn't hear the first part when I was talking to you all right um okay so we're going to start off with the African Heritage reparation assembly uh successor body charge and I'm going to bring in Dr shabaz um if he would like to join us um and and excellent and then I'm going to pull up the notes hello Dr shabaz hello here um how are you guys you're available for any assistance all right great thank you so last we met was july8 last we discussed this was July 18th um and I know we had some members absent so I want to just spend a minute reviewing what we did last time um it was in your pocket but I'm going to share it on my screen as well um and really just to kind of contextualize this as a reminder what we're doing because it's been a minute um the uh ah final report included a draft charge for a successor Bobby um we as go are responsible for uh looking at that draft charge and finalizing a recommendation for a charge for this committee to the council so we it was really helpful to have a um starting document I think both Michelle Miller who was uh here last time who's unfortunately not able to join us today and Dr shabaz shared that this was not something that was set in stone by HRA and so um it was really helpful to have uh to have a representative here from the uh former ah committee to talk through some of their process as they went but really this is something that was um was built in pencil and so we're it's we're going through this to create something that can be etched in stone basically to take that metaphor further all right so I'm gon to share my screen and we'll just review where we are so this was the charge that um I pulled from the report I just kind of turned it into a Word document so please forgive any formatting errors that you might see and I'll zoom in a little before someone asked me to W zo in too much okay is that all right everybody can see okay Pat little bigger was better little more all right ah I want to be able to see it all still okay is that all right okay thank you so um couple of areas just for folks who weren't with us last time couple of areas that we were talking about we talked about the number of voting members being five um versus five to seven we thought it was clear to have a concrete number and that five committee members is going to be more Nimble for this body I'm also going to look to I think it was George and ly did we pleas no I stle George okay um I think it was George and Lynn who were with us last time um to correct the record if I if I misrepresent any of our conversation please so we talked about and Dr shabbaz you were here too um talked about the number of voting members being five uh because they'll be able to move a bit more nimbly um we've had trouble filling spots on committees recently and so um we felt that we wanted a concrete number and that five was the better number um and then we switched the number of non- voting members to none but um this was an area of discussion that we thought we might bring to the council is this a body where we should make an exception and appoint a non- voting member to it um we thought that that was a better fit to for a council discussion um and then we took out the note on liaison because no committee is guaranteed to Liaison and so we didn't want to put it in the charge of the committee we kept the term of appointment and the status uh as well as the staff support area so composition we um one of the topics of discussion was that we have found from KP law that we are not allowed to specify um uh race or ethnicity or I think gender on um on committee composition so we took this part out um and then we ended up taking this part out and and basically what we decided on was instead adding language saying we encourage representation from dot dot dot and we encourage representation from youth or higher education institutions um to kind of get at the Spirit of what this composition note was trying to do without mandating it and breaking the law any questions so far okay so we spent some time here on the purpose statement um so the the purpose initially was very quick um or was very simple excuse me was the to carry forward the work of ah and um the of ahra recommendations from the final report and one of the things that we talked about is in the past there's been some challenges for committees who have been tasks tasked with extremely wide mandates that not aren't always feasible and so what we wanted to do in this purpose statement was give this committee a bit of latitude to be able to learn and um further the work that they were initially that the ah committee was initially doing without necessarily being bound to all of the recommendations in the ahra final report so the purpose statement now reads in light of the council's long standing goal of advancing racial equity and social justice and continued commitment to dismantle structural racism in ammer ABC's mission is to carry forward the work of the ah Guided by the recommendations in the ah final report so we're trying to reference that this is the product of a lot of work um and a lot of commitment put forward by different folks in uh in the town okay I saw people moving okay all right uh councelor essay um it is s succinct um I was wondering Guided by how strong that is so oh Lynn you're muted no go ahead I just I oh okay um I think we we intended it to not be extremely strong language because we didn't want them to feel required to to only to like to only to have to carry forward everything in report so it's intentionally a little bit looser because we wanted them to use that as their inspiration and their jumping off point but there were some things in the report that the council may not ultimately approve um or they may decide aren't the top priority right now and so we wanted to have them be able to adapt um if something if something came up does that answer your question okay thank you Lynn yeah so I this is one of the areas where I feel we need to be a little more explicit so that uh Guided by the recommendations in the ah final report that the Town Council has identified as priorities I because otherwise basically this says anything in the report and I don't the council hasn't had that discussion um I can't raise my hand where I'm screen sharing but but Lynn I think that is where we get at the charge I think my question is the way that you just framed that makes it seem like the council is going to go through the report first and decide which recommendations we want this group to pursue which was not my understanding of the process my understanding based on the charge that we wrote last time is that the ABC is providing recommendations to the council that the council then approves so I think we we need to decide which which ones which which order um I disagree with uh handing the whole report over to a committee and saying you're Guided by this report I feel the council has to have that discussion um we did have that discussion with the S um with the report from the cswg um and even then um CSS JC has not necessarily stuck to those seven identified areas and I when a report is done and brought to the council it is not adopted in totality it is a report of a committee and then a Town Council needs to decide where it's going where it wants to place priority on recommendations and we haven't done that and I I do think that is a step we need to take and I think this charge needs to reflect the fact that we have to take that step Lynn I I um I'm gonna go to George but I just want to note that what you just said in my understanding would negate all three of these bullets so I I want have some discussion on that because I think that's I don't agree with you but um I want us to keep in mind what we wrote in the charge last time as we're having this discussion now councilor Ryan yeah I think we have to distinguish between the job of the council in communicating to the community um making clear what we do and what we can and not do and this particular charge um I don't think you can use the charge as a substitute for what we need to do as counselors so we as counselors um during our deliberations and in our public comments I think need to reinforce Lynn's point which is um not everything in that report is necessarily something that this Council has agreed to do or will do or can do um but the charge simply says that um we're asking this Committee in light of or Guided by recommendations in this this remarkable report um to continue the work of reparations so I guess I don't see I just don't see how you can use the charge to um sort of micromanage this I think the language I have no problem with the language I have no problem with referencing that report I don't for a moment believe personally that but that language then implies or or is stating in any way shape or form that everything in that report is approved by the council etc etc that's going to that's not what this says it simply says Guided by this report we'd like you to continue the work and make recommendations to us but um so I understand Lyn's concern but I think that the way to address that is in Council and through public statement and making things clear in our discussion um but I don't think the charge is the vehicle to do that thank you um Pat you muted thank you it it does seem to me the way the purpose is written feels quite comfortable they're being Guided by the recommendations being guided doesn't mean that you take a direct path and do this step this step this step and it seems to me that the recommendations were really areas um housing educ you know youth uh business but I all so I don't see I don't think anything about the Town Council has to be in that in the purpose I also think it's addressed recommend to the council uh suggested actions based on prioritized recommendations which that the committee has worked on prioritizing and the council uh has heard their recommendation and made decisions as part of the charge um the I think the line that I'm uncomfortable with in the charge is the final one well not it's not really the final one but the final one on this B support implementation of the recommendations in the African Heritage reparation assembly's final report and and that seems like we're saying everything that is in there all of them will be in this where it really is support implementation of the recommendations made to Town Council or something like that P are you saying because because if we look at the other items um and I guess we're now moving kind of we're combining sort of purpose in charge I'm sorry I just want to no no no no you're fine um they they go together it's it's not really possible to tease them apart but so what are you saying that's adding language in something along the lines of support implementation of the recommendations approved by Town Council something like that something like that I don't love that like that exact wording but um yeah I don't either uh but but I think being honest IDE right it is very important we haven't had this discussion in Council council could change this whole charge although I don't think that's going to happen um but I I think one of the things that is painful sometimes is the community safety working group made a series of recommendations and therefore the belief was that all of those recommendations would be instituted and this is not a judgment on the value of those things but the sort of impact of uh the idea that it would get exactly as a committee said it would be and but we're really asking committees to forward recommendations to the council and for the council to decide and and on on the priority of those or the feasibility although we're asking for those things also from this group but then we reflect on it and we decide um approve disapprove I I don't like that terminology so much yeah I agree we'll we'll play with that terminology a little bit but that I just wanted to capture the idea there Lynn um hold on okay no uh just go ahead thank you I'm taking okay councelor say um I I don't know how reading that statement support implementation of the recommendations approved by Town Council what are the recommendations that will be approved by Town Council how will they be approved so the the wording I I I think we will need to tweak the wording going with the con concerns that we have and we do have concerns Perhaps it is simply that there is a report that is out there is a successor body that will be guided by that report and this successor body may have recommendations or priorities of its own which it can recommend to the Council of which the council then has an opportunity to agree or disagree with some of those recommendations so I I think I have a sense of where lann might be going but I don't think that that is necessary if we as the council simply make the case that we end up taking recommendations as they are that is we do not have to accept recommendations simply because they come to the council right so I'm going to raise my hand and take us back and I want to just like partly for my own understanding but the difference between the purpose and the charge the purpose is really kind of the context for why this group exists the charge is what they're going to do um so that's that's how I'm viewing these so Lynn I don't share the concern that you have about this group going or or taking this as you know not needing a approval because their charge is very clear um that that these things should come to council where I disagree with what I understood you to be saying I don't think that the council has the time or the understanding to dig into those recommendations piece by piece and decide which ones we want to pursue I think that this group should come to us with that this what we talked about the prioritized list and that that is what the council should look at and say go forth right it's sort of that two-step process of the charge of this group is that they look at that that really excellent but beastly final report they look at the recommendations provide recommendations um to the council including priority level and feasibility and then um make recommendations on any further actions that are Beyond what's in the report to the council the Gap here kind of represents the council saying you know okay we agree like go forth with these and then they start moving forward on the implementation but there is that Council approval step I just don't think that the council is the body that should be reading through this report and saying this is what we should do now I think that should be the the work of the successor body with the council then rubber stamping it if that makes sense Pat yeah what you're saying makes sense to me and something that counselor said is uh knocking around in my brain which is this committee may very well come up with other recommendations that are not based on the uh her African Heritage reparation assembly's final report because they're going to be periodically Consulting with the black community uh about the allocations of reparations funds and it may be that the community wants something in the second year that's very different than what has been listed in the uh final report so I'm not sure um I don't I don't know if that's an important point right this second but the idea that the community will be consulted twice a year is pretty important to me um and therefore are they being consulted are they just giving being given a report or are they contributing to U the implementation of these things uh to the decisions made about what gets funded I'm gonna Focus Us in because Pat brought us I want to be able to scroll down to the next page um and so Lynn did you have specific language that you wanted to propose changing in the purpose statement No I think think this discussion's been useful because if when we put in support implementation of the recommendations approved by Town Council maybe it's not even in maybe it's not even in the African Heritage reparation assembly final report support implementation of recommendations brought forward by this committee and approved by by the Town Council so in other words I I'm I'm really playing off of what Pat just said the report is Rich but this group has the responsibility of coming to the council and saying here's what we would like to recommend that we spend money on okay there's a a fund they're going to make they're going to make say say some priorities and those priorities should shape what they then recommend the fund should support okay and those prayer and and again because there is this ongoing consultation with the black community that could change even beyond what the report already says because I I mean maybe part of me is wrestling with the fact that I think of this body as providing serious thought and recommendations to the council as to how to spend the money in the fund okay that so that's oh sorry were you done I'm sorry L that's ran just a reminder I believe as Dr shabbaz pointed out last time we met there's much more in this report than just about money so some of the recommendations will have nothing to do with money but could be as important or equally important so um I understand the concern about uh the financial side of things but I think we need to keep in mind that there's much more in this than just money yeah are folks comfortable with this with first off let's start with the ones that we added because I think they're a bit redundant um so looking at the charge the items in the charge um I think yeah councelor Ryan two quick thoughts I'm sorry to interrupt so quickly but first I assume then we are all happy with the language in the purpose section um I think Lynn suggested that she might be but I don't want to speak for her I'm happy with the language in the purpose section and so I'd like us to move along in a systematic way otherwise we're gonna be jumping back and forth um and I'm fine with the purpose okay sorry I I thought that folks were good with it I apologize does anyone else want to discuss purpose right yep does anyone else have anything else to discuss in the purpose section okay all right moving on to the items in the charge and so a second Point uh my memory may be wrong is that that that the reduplication is part of the fact that um I think the second set of bullets that are separated by the space was an attempt to rewrite or edit the first set um but maybe I'm misremembering in other words they it's not separate points but I I I don't remember remember how you did it Anna but my I I agree there's duplication here in this second set of three um I I took that second set to be replacement for um the first three that are already there is that how people took it or do they think they seem to be pretty much I took it the opposite way oh you thought that this top three were were edits on the bottom three I thought that the top three were uh getting closer to what we had been discussing um and I'm happy to explain why okay good um so I think this is I think one of the reasons why I think this was where we were getting closer was that this feels like the the order of things that we wanted um and that we wanted to have happen so starting off they review the report that was something that we felt was important to include in the charge um and that they provide those recommendations to the Town Council including related to Priority level and feasibility um and then based on that priority and feasibility also make recommendations on fre their action and next steps um so I I guess I don't necessarily feel strongly one or the other but I do think this is more logical for me Lynn I actually think based on what George is saying the fourth bullet establish feasibility and priority I mean if you're going to include it it should be after the very first bullet and then they they you know they they in other words they look at the recommendations in the report they establish feasibility and priority levels they come to the council and then based on the discussion with the council they um move to implementation so that somewhere in here I think there's about four bullets instead of six okay so can you clarify what okay so you're saying it would they review the recommendations that's one and then establish the feasibility of of various recommendations and priority level okay then they provide those to the council this one yeah or is it this one I think it could be the second bullet and then get move this okay and then get rid of the recommend recommend to the council suggested actions because that's Bas recommendations to council priority level feasibility that would be this one yeah that takes care of that okay so the charge so just the first couple bullets I know there's a bunch down here but the first couple bullets of this charge would read review the recommendations in the ah final report establish feasibility and priority level of ah recommendations provide recommendations to the Town Council related to priority level and feasibility of the ah final report recommendations and based on priority and feasibility make recommendations on further action to the Town Council that almost is redundant yes can we [Music] is I think you can get rid of that bullet this one yeah this was the one um that I think we had talked about as being giving them permiss to suggest actions Beyond just the recommendations okay I think that was the further actions was the okay but I'm wondering if yeah I think what if we said establish feasibility and priority level of ah recommendations and provide said recommendations for Action to the Town Council yeah no no no know write it and see what it looks like yeah I'm not [Music] um I could of prefer them as separate points but you know okay but let's go ahead let's write it out and see what people think um I can't remember what else I said provide recommendations for Action to the Town Council well I think you're just it's you're just below just related to Priority level and feasibility it's right I think you're just taking that do I need to say that again though well I think we're GNA delete the one below um yeah yeah but I I yeah I kind of like it breaking into very conrete steps review the recommendations establish feasibility in priority then provide recommendations based on on what you've determin in terms of priority and feasibility um and then I think that would be it for this particular report but I think somewhere we need to say something to the effect that they are invited and perfectly free to make other recommendations they're not just limited to what's in that report all right so you're saying don't have this in there I'm suggesting you have a separate point which you know so first is review second is establish feasibility and priority and third is then and whenever provide recommendations for Action right Bas based on um your you know analysis of priority and feasibility so pretty much one two and three as you have it yeah related to or based on maybe based on related to based on priority level and feasibility I can tidy that up a bit but yeah so then that last one then is is could be eliminated the fourth one um right and you're saying frame it differently elsewhere to say they're not bound to the report yeah somewhere I think somewhere we definitely need to say that that this does not um mean they cannot make other recommendations based on they're you know they're going to be talking to the community um and there's they're going to be having their they have their own right so right okay um all right lots of changes here let's this is a bit messy but if people are still following it um counselor a pat youve been a little quiet do you have anything to add I think that's okay I'm looking down further so okay I'm and I don't know whether you want to go there or not let's step let's go there in a minute let's finish with this page and then because I don't think things might need to be moved but let's stay where we are okay um okay so I would like B I'm sorry sorry in that I was just gonna read them out so go ahead go ahead yeah okay the abrc sh and Dr shabaz always feel free to jump in at any point please too um the abrc shall review the recommendations in the ah final report establish feasibility and priority level of ahra recommendations provide recommendations for actions to the Town Council related to Priority level and feasibility of the ah final report recommendations support okay there I would suggest based on so um not related to but based on that does that make better sense to people yes based on party level and feasibility of the um you might even just leave it at that yeah you can stop at feasibility yeah yeah otherwise it's so many recommendations I think so sorry um no you're fine and then lastly support implementation of the recommendations brought forward by the committee and approved by the Town Council let's talk about that [Music] one okay yeah I mean it I think it might be fine um yeah I guess you support implementation other recommendations I mean what what what are we I mean what are we asking them or expecting them to do um um that's a really good question um that is I I assume right depending on what the Town Council finally does members of this committee may be very much in favor of it or very much not in favor of it um but they'll make that decision as individuals and perhaps as a group but um it seems like uh we're walking a fine line here and maybe Dr shabaz will weigh in at some point whether we're micro trying to micromanage this body which is not what I want us to do but also give them a pretty clear sense of what our expectation is I I just don't I wonder if this is going a bit too far or what do people have in mind by support implementation um what if they don't like what the council finally decides to do are they still required by the charge to support it I would think that they wouldn't anyway but but anyway Len yeah let Give an example supposed they come forward with a recommendation that says we'd like to take you know 4% interest from the fund this year which equals x amount of money and we would like it based on proposals we've received to distribute it to the following four organizations to support I don't education okay something like that once the council approves that it basically it's a staff thing it's just like a CPA Grant so I'm not clear what we mean support here part of me wonders if we should other the words as appropriate Dr shabas yeah interesting I I I'm hearing the reasoning on this and I think maybe this language was just a carryover from uh uh the the idea of kind of implementing the the report I I don't think you really need need this bullet item it's you the the committee will have other um other items other things to do than you know worry about the once an item has been acted upon however it's acted upon whether it follows what was recommended or it goes beyond it or differs with it but the the presumably they go back to the community and they think about you know and and they're it's an ongoing process so I I just don't think you necessarily need uh need to worry about that they things move on we also sorry I lost my raise hand button but um because I'm screen sharing but we also had talked about putting something in this uh charge about revisiting this committee charge after the first term or after two years or something like that um which might be a more appropriate time when once we know what the recommendations are to revisit and say now this body can support now that we know what the the recommendations are this body can support them and we see that so we're going to rewrite the charge so that they can do that um because L I see your point that some things may fall mostly to staff some things might not I we don't know yet so I think maybe taking this out but adding something in about re-evaluating this charge at X date or something like that might get I I don't want us to also end up with a point where we have to a point where we have a committee with a defunct charge that doesn't mean anything anymore um councelor I'm wondering if there are any examples of other committees in town that have similar language of um supporting implementation of something um that the council both the both the um cssj and the energy and climate action committee have language uh similar to this about supporting implementation um I uh they have it framed differently and I if someone wants to pull those up and reference them that might be helpful but I think that there's also a difference between supporting implementation and implementing um I think that that's also a really important distinction they're supporting might mean a host of things they are not responsible for the implementation they are here to support it um but if if someone could pull up the ecac charge and the CSS JC charge because both of those groups are grounded in documents um like like the reparations report the H final report excuse me Dr shuz your hand is still up I wasn't sure if you had something else to add it was a lingering hand yeah I I just would say that um I don't know I'm My worry is not so much about if something that was approved then differed from what was originally there and you're asking them to then be in support of of implementing it's not uh if that's the intended sense then again I don't know that that's language that is necessary but um I'm really just thinking that it sort of goes without saying that if there's something they recommended that um the uh Council then approves and acts upon that if there is some followup aspect to it that the committee itself could be useful to I would think since it's something they originally proposed they would automatically uh you know stand in support or would work to support whatever whatever it was that they recommended that got approved that you know now needs them to to do something with so I I guess just for me I'm in the uh I'm in support of keeping things as as uh uncluttered and and uh and just really the essential things and this one just doesn't seem to be essential okay thank you um are there any objections to removing this bullet in full no okay all right oh Pat no I'm I'm fine I'm getting ready to go down you've been you've been waiting you're so ready all right I don't know if I'm so ready I think one of thead uh oversee the town's reparations fund and uh identify additional so that's fabulous and it should be in there consult with the black community on a biannual basis at this I think it should be moved up and accept proposals from the community through a process determined by this body becomes very important um and of you know and uh let me see work with other Town committees uh and those are things and it's almost like o they oversee the town's reparations fund and identify addition that seems like a a really separate agenda where the consult with the black community accept proposals need feels like it needs to go up with recommendations because they would be making new potentially new or uh solidifying a a previous recommendation because that's what the community is still looking for so it just feels like in the wrong place okay wait so I wanna I'm gonna do this as a comment just to keep us on this nice clean page since we met since I mucked this one all up um so you're saying the this bullet you want moved up is that correct I black community yes and the next one as well and and if we move all of them up then they're we're going to be in the same problem so um you're saying that these ones should be up before perhaps uh I'm I'm second guessing myself it just it just seems like we're saying that the community this is a living body of people who are going to be responding to events issues uh in the community uh and so the initial recommendations um might be changed by the committee itself so it feels be as a result of those conversations so it seems to me that they go above that in some way uh because I hear it because if they can accept yeah but I my question to you then was a lot of the recommendations weren't necessarily about alloca allocation of funds a lot of the reations a lot of the reports were specific to that so I'm curious how to kind of level those things um okay but I'm gonna I'm gonna add this as a comment possibly move possib I can't spell y'all it's hard to be dyslexic when you're screen sharing Poss move to higher on list my recommendations for Action consult accept prop maybe those are really separate I'm not sure lower my hand and shut up uh councelor Ryan I don't share the concern about the order I think that what's important is it's in here that's what's important I don't think that anyone reading this is going to be um you know so I don't think you have to move anything around around as long as everything that's in it is what we want in it um so I think you can leave things where they are at least for the moment I have a question about oversee I don't know what that means so I'd like that to be clarified um but I don't have a problem with the order and I still want to make sure by the time we're done that somewhere in here is a a bullet point that makes it clear that this body is perfectly free to bring any other recommendations that they think think we're appropriate related to the issue that this is about so maybe by the time we're done that'll be pretty clear from all the bullet points but I want to make sure it's somewhere it's there um but I don't think order is a problem um but I do have a question about oversee could somebody explain to me what that means uh Lyn I I was going to raise that as well it's the committee's role is to advise on the expens of the reparations fund is it I mean yes they'll be over seeing it yes they will determine you know gee we think we could spend this much money off of it this year therefore we are going to recommend to the council that they distribute the money in the following way so it's more than oversee it's advise well oversee in my mind um seems to imply a level of authority and decision- making that this body simply doesn't have um I agree so that's how I would read it naturally um so either we come up with a better verb advise and make recommend funds think I just I tried to jot down what Lynn was saying and and added in what George said to to this last bullet here I like I like that I like what you and then do we think a second bullet on identify additional sources of funding or is is that something that we are not expecting this body to okay great um defy additional sources of funding for preparative justice one of the things that I know I'm gonna so I'm GNA say cut this because we've replaced it down here um with these two bullets one of the question marks that I know was coming up I'm sorry Lyn were you done no I'm done I'm sorry I keep okay um you're fine you're fine so was that we don't want to identify additional sources of funding yes but that we are we're trying to not get in the practice of having committees writing grants because we often can't follow that through with Staffing to administer the grants and so I think I'd like to be very clear that we are asking them to identify additional sources but not apply for um because we need to make sure not not that we won't apply for them but that's a decision that really needs to be made by staff um whether or not they have the bandwidth so I just want to be really careful and clear in that verbage and I want to make sure folks think that that's clear and if people disagree with me we can totally have that discussion too um but I think that was a concern from town staff uh about seeking funding Lynn I agree with you totally and sorry go ahead I'm like jumping on people's Tales today I'm so sorry counselor ly are you finished yes okay um you then run the risk that once you identify the source and mention it the town and the town is unable perhaps for Manpower reasons to follow up that that can send the wrong look so there's the this the danger of the town has people who write grants what makes it appropriate to write this grant as opposed to this other Grant I see what you're saying when how about identify possible additional sources so that it's not it it's like you know they say here is this Foundation that might fund this would the town be able to apply and it's so it's possible sources okay Dr shabaz yeah I just wanted to mention that um I think in some of our original thoughts and deliberations about this it it had to do with um really thinking about uh funding streams that already exist within uh the the town and whether a particular item a particular recommendation might be uh appropriate to be directed toward that already existing funding source rather than out of the uh the fund that is that has been set aside that's being set aside so for example if it had to do with some type of uh uh something in the area areas covered by Community preservation act uh Open Spaces uh historic preservation so on and so forth that um it would just be a matter of taking that recommendation coming from the community coming through the process we've talked about and then saying okay maybe this isn't in the recommendation we should make maybe that isn't to come out of the fund maybe it's appropriate that that could be uh uh recommended as a as a community preservation act uh as a funding source for it in in whatever way that would then be be applied for but uh or or directed that that's what I think it was more in mind not so much about you know grant funding or going to private donors I mean that may come up there are things in the works with ammer college there are things that could be in the works with UMass what have you but um but again I uh I think that will ultimately be something the com uh the committee might want to play an advisory role in uh uh but but not necessarily being the uh I don't think that's what was considered there in finding other funding streams thank you that's um Lynn I said that's just use that's useful oh yeah yeah yeah okay uh all right so we've got um three four more that we haven't really talked about consult with the black community on a biannual oh George I just again just I'm not sure we're agreed with that last statement identify possible additional sources of funding for reparative justice work um uh councilor ET had raised the concern which I share that it might create false expectations um uh Dr shabaz made it clear that that there's they had other ideas in mind which are interesting and um does this cover that um does it do we even need to have this here since these are recommendations that could be made um without us um yeah I don't I guess again I'm back to uh whether this is needed and if it is needed is the language broad enough and vague enough um and does it does it um there is also still the concern of counselor eter that it creates this notion that somehow um if you uh identify the sources um then there's expectation that the town will pursue it and they're very in some cases that may not be possible thank you Pat you're muted you're muted I'm sorry yes I'm sorry okay um work with other Town committees and departments to pursue reparative projects and initiatives where share goal shared goals are present isn't that part of what we're saying it's like we find out from the Conservation Commission there's something that would fit in with this um and funding might come from a grant that they apply for but that there's sort of so for me it feels embedded in that work with other Town committees but I would like to hear from Dr shabas Dr shabas thank you so uh yeah I don't think you need this bottom one as a standalone bullet I think in the one right before it that it could expand to say uh expenditures you're advising uh and making recommendations uh on expenditures of funds from the town's reparations fund or other appropriate Source or other so that that's really where uh the the point could be made other other potential funding source uh but I don't think you need this as a separate and and I can see the mixed signals or confusion that it might generate for for members of the committee I'm GNA jot that note down so that we can look at it to discuss all right councilor so in a sense I do agree with um Pat that there's something in that bullet point but on the other hand working with other committees and departments to pursue reparative projects might not involve funding and so there is still the question of funding that could be addressed um um if we go to the CSS JC charge the final two bullets in a way point to what the mixed signal might be because the penultimate bullets ensure that the town backup recommend funding sources including grants which is what we were having the discussion um previously before but then the final point is provide input into the budget process and I think what we are trying to figure out is are we speaking about input into some kind of budgetary process or are we speaking about seeking for Grants from other sources thank you I'm gonna raise my hand here I don't I don't find this loss bullet objectionable but I'd like to add identify possible additional sources of funding I think for reparative justice work is so broad I think we should clarify this to say for um for recommendations approved by the Town Council I think it should be specific to what it is that we're asking them to do I think circling back to that would help I am not as comfortable because I don't think it's specific enough to put this framing into the bullet before it um I think we need to be really clear that I mean the example that Dr shabaz gave is great and makes a lot of sense but I don't think that this wording captures what he was saying and I I want to I want to adjust it um because as it reads now it's kind of really really really wide open um so I those are my two thoughts I I think this bullet is fine if it would read for um for recommended actions on the approved by the counselor something like that um and then um so if I if I'm going to just type my thoughts here if that's okay uh additional sources of funding for recommendations by the Town Council um expend and then with this one it was um I don't have the wording yet for this one but if my point is understood Dr shabas yeah I I just really want to be clear when we started the from the at the very first uh very beginning that back in September when soon as we were all all assembled we jumped right on on the the money issue and then that that sort of take took over everything weekly meetings you know until because we were thinking about the budget cycle the budget process and and we started going in right on that before addressing anything else I really hoped that what we did meant that the future body doesn't need to worry about this anymore the future body needs to be you know engaging with the community figuring out the the kinds of of priorities and and what's important uh fashioning that into a workable proposal that that can be uh sent to the council hopefully in ways that then the council doesn't have to take that and move it back to finance and move it to this move it to that because that that would be the work of this group to already sort of sound out you know if it's something involving planning that they've sound out the planning board if it's something involving the finance that it's within the scope of of of what's already available there as Lynn has been say would take 3% of the fund or 4 per of the fund that's already in range so there's no real reason that it's got to then be cycled back through finance committee to figure it out so I really think the work ought to not be dealing with finances any very much at that point it's to go into to deal with what are what the important repair to Justice work as that the community is sensing the community is feeling developing that into into something really precise and actionable and that falls in line with the kinds of funds that that are available and if it doesn't fall in line with what's available then yes that becomes something that that committee would would want to to to raise again to advise and to make suggestions about it but not be strapped with the work of it of of trying to figure out how do we write a grant or how do we talk to the to you know is somebody available that can work with us on getting a grant for this or can we go you know it was it's only to really think about if there are other sources that might be appropriate than the set aside fund such that if it is something that falls in line with concer ation Falls in line with Community preservation Falls in line with areas that already have buckets of money going uh that that it would be appropriate to to that's what you'd be doing but I think that the work of this group should not be having to figure out funding uh that it it takes too much time it overwhelms the work and then you're not doing what you're really there to do which is to figure out what are the priorities what are the important issues that that could be addressed and then bringing and then working those up into a workable proposal I I just would really say let's try to not strap this future group with having to worry about being a fundraising committee thank you that was very compelling um councelor Ryan So based on that what might I think you I would strike the last bullet I would suggest and I would strike break the last clause in the next bullet and I would argue that well don't we don't want to lose it because you may not agree with I know it's I can't how do I edit and edit and edit oh my gosh sorry I hear you you're doing your om job here please don't it's not um my thought is to take out then the language related to funding other than the town's reparations funds which is the point of that bullet right and that my argument is that the bullet that Pat had highlighted and councelor ET had pointed out work with other Town committees and departments to pursue reparative projects and initiatives where shared goals are present would would people agree that that language is sufficient to include a number of the things that Dr shabas was was suggesting so that um and it gets the money out of the you know other than the reparation fund itself it doesn't drag this body into the the money issue but if in fact they see opport opportunities through a community preservation act or planning or whatever to use existing streams of funds um and and programs that are you know there where's a place for cooperation that's what this bullet seems to say so I think that bullet does that work and the reparations fund specifically does its work and everything else that You' stricken could be stricken thank you judge um my question with that with what you said I don't have any opposition into this bullet I think my my question is that we were so focused up here on being clear that we wanted them to focus on the ahra report and then other things that they deemed important and this feels a bit kind of cart blunch to whatever other committees are also working on I want to make sure that folks are okay with that I'm not opposed to it necessarily but I think in my reading of it we've been so kind of focus on the report focus on the report and this is pursue reparative projects that's not necessarily the recommendations that we talked about before is it anything that this committee deems to be reparative they can Full Speed Ahead on um are folks comfortable with that I'm comfortable with I mean I feel like um the report and the recommendations in the report are very important the history that's embedded in the report is critical but what I also see is the voice of the larger black community having effect having the power to affect some of the ways this funding is used um and so for me it's feels very important and working with if we're really going to have a social justice lens then every committee is going to be hopefully working anyway and can so uh those working with other committees uh it's becomes very important other departments and things like that become uh important and I think it should be stay there great thank you councelor at I agree with that bullet point I do Wonder then if it is necessary to have the next one which is work with the CSS GC and HRC because those are also committees in town and by having it as a charge here and perhaps it's not a charge in those other committees we give there's an imbalance of power between those committies thank you councilor Ryan this is helpful to to me um I think you put your your finger on something important uh that how we're looking at this as a very narrow charge or one that opens up to a much broader uh potential area all centered around the notion of reparative justice and I think initially in my thinking I was thinking this is a successor committee with a very narrow charge but what I'm hearing and I'm thinking myself is no that's not quite really what we're we're shaping here and so this this bullet point I think makes that point and it sounds like the rest of you are are very comfortable with that notion of kind of opening this up a bit okay Dr shabas Sor coun go ahead okay go ahead Dr shabas I I'm in full agreement I think at the time because of certain things that were that were uh present within the Human Rights Commission and within the csjc it seemed important at the time of the reports to Spotlight those but definitely we we envision this all across the board so I think the preceding one about working with Town committees and departments definitely Embraces HRC and csjc as a part of that but then it doesn't preclude or make it seem as though the others are are secondary such as environmental or climate change you know or or other areas that are that are there so I'm in full agreement for the reasons given great thank you so I'm going to strike this bullet that's highlighted ah without messing everything up I'm going to strike this bullet that's highlighted um and we've got we we have two that haven't been touched um three really so we liked this one we're good with this one the work with other town oh oh sorry Dr shabaz did you have something else to add or is that a lingering lingering hand whoa sorry someone just unmuted something in the other room at my house um all right uh accept proposals from the community through a process determined by this body that's part of what I think we assume they're going to do excellent okay great uh consult with the black community on a biannual basis about the allocation of reparations funds to be clear does this mean twice a year or every other year that's always my question when I say biannual i instead of saying by annual I just on a regular basis and let the committee decide oh or on I I I agree with that that that makes great sense okay and avoids confusion yeah I might be the only one who gets confused but I I never know um You Are Not Alone um do we want to add the notion of that broader um perspective here is it going to be just about the allocation of funds um or would it also include a discussion of the broader issues of reparative justice and the black community um or that's just the thought I mean um or is it always going to be just okay every time we reach out to the black community we're talking about allocation of money I would think that in fact the discussion would be much more broad ranging and multifaceted but um and so you could just add something to the effect about the allocation of reparation funds and broader issues of repairative Justice um something like that um or is it that's just the thought but given the focus we we we seem to be heading towards a more broader perspective do you want to broaden this as well or leave it as it is um let's oops sorry go ahead let's talk about that in relationship to other committee charges where other committees may feel they have some of that same responsibility Council Ryan I guess I'm just thinking and again Dr shabbaz may want to weigh in here but from the perspective of this body um every time they reach out to the to the community the black community to have these discussions is it just going to be about reparation funds right Pat oh you're muted sorry you got there no I'm not it just took a minute you are not I'm looking at some uh comments that came in ages and ages ago about the the charge and one of them uh is looking at conduct a public forum for input regarding proposals under consideration isn't you know I hear what you're saying George about a larger conversation um but I think in in terms of what's what becomes critical here is what does the black community think of the proposals that are coming forward um so I would like to delineate it because certainly that you could have uh the meetings the community meetings for that broader conversation but the issue here is how do we allocate the money and what do you think about what we're suggesting you're saying not I had initially started typing what you were saying and now I'm realizing you're saying explicitly to not put that in this paragraph yeah I'm yeah consult with the black community on a regular basis about the uh regarding the propo um the allocation of reparations or or regarding other proposals under consideration it really feels like it's it's what does the community think about what is being proposed to support it I'm not do you like this or or not like it I'm not we can come back to you there's come back come back okay um Dr shabaz yes uh so in response to one of the comments definitely the consultation we expect would not be limited to a consultation about allocation of funds so it is about the allocation of funds and the priority izing of recommendations to again take to the council to submit to the council so um uh exact language and word smithing I leave to to you all there but it but I do want to say that the direction we envision was a direction of coming from this consultation process out to the to the committee out to the council not something generated right uh from the council or from the committee or from you know who and then hear you all now we're we're coming to you to say this is what you want or this is how how much you want no it it was to to come the other way uh from from the community then in the consultation process debating discussing amongst themselves from the variety of ideas that that uh oh well I'll just say this quickly the uh and and Lynn may pull pull pull her hair out upon hearing it this but the example was that the the two times and the re reason why it was two times and I'm fine that you on a regular basis but was to if you could create a black town meeting with like a moderator and with you know warrants that people would submit in advance that people could look at before the black town meeting was held but then at the black toown meeting people get three minutes speak to different warrants speak to debate and then vote up or down which warrants they want the committee to then go and work on take to the council so on and so figure out the money part so on and so forth that was the kind of democratic process that was envisioned and was discussed within ahra so again word Smith is as you want but it definitely is not just a question of the allocation of funds thank you thank you so almost like a caucus um that you're describing in some ways yeah I think um pat pat yeah councelor can go first if he wants okay councelor I think we just substitutes and for all okay Pat Uh I don't I was going to say um take out about uh on a regular basis regarding Pro um about the okay that's fine that's fine I'm not gonna it it just seems to me the important thing is what are the proposals under consideration and what what does the community think of it but also uh what is the community proposing um that this committee is then going to try to bring forward I don't know I can sit with what uh councelor said councelor Ryan yeah um just word smithing in my head I'm not sure it's worth um and regarding other proposals under consideration right seems a bit yeah I okay I'm gonna raise my own hand um I like the idea of including other proposals under consideration because I think it stands the test of time with this group a little bit more than um being so specific about regarding recommendations being put forward to the council right so I think that this gets a little bit this will last longer and Pat to your point this second or second whatever bullet um is I think getting at what you were talking about with AC accepting proposals um in some ways too so I think that these two regarding other proposals under consideration and accepting proposals kind of wed well together um over time in my mind that's a good point I'm comfortable with I'm comfortable with these as as written thank you Dr Shaz every once in a while I have a good point councelor Ryan occasionally so I said every once in a while okay sorry sound so R so if we were add something at the end addressing the issue of reparative Justice I'm just I just the phrase other proposal under consideration seems so sort of Limp um but maybe it's obvious from the context but you're talking about reparation funds in the first part of the Clause the second part is you know Bas and regarding other proposals um under consideration I guess you could have um regarding the issue of reparative Justice regarding reparative Justice I'm just wondering if you want that phrase to uh reemphasize or whether it's needed I I don't know I think it's needed but and I don't think I don't think it hurts I don't by the committee necess I the proposals could be who knows where they come from but um could be from the committee could become uh who knows but basically it's if I understood Dr shas's point the conversation will be wide ranging and it will certainly be much more than just about the reparation funds but the focus will be issues that concern the uh reparative justice and and proposals related to that so regarding other proposals under consideration um by the committee regarding repairative Justice okay is that too much is that I mean I don't know that's just I'd like that having that phrase in there but that's just me I agree um sorry sand is barking uh I agree that I like this phrase I think I would advocate for keeping under consideration by the committee in there because as we've said before we have other committees that do work that is adjacent to or is directly uh reparative Justice and um I think we want to not necessarily set Folks up to fail here and and make sure that they're talking about things that sorry this committee is focusing on um at this point that's my thought it was a bit jumbled because my partner went out for a run and my dog is upset she didn't go with her um okay any other thoughts here we are this is the end of the end of the charge so before I'm very excited and I let us go over time because I'm very excited about how we were having great conversation um nuisances can wait uh any last thoughts on this C might murder me for waiting on nuisances for another we'll see all right any last thoughts on this charge you do you want to read through it from the start in the messiest with all the messy cross outs before we see about through it by taking them out by showing a a clean copy I think a clean copy I gotta remember I gotta remember how to do that um hang on you make mistake here we'll lose the whole thing leave it alone then you happy no we can do this we can do this we can do this uh not putting any pressure Manny does it all the time oh yeah but yeah but she know if you lose it we're gonna kill you I got it I got it she's on vacation there you go that's it I think I did it okay it's gonna look still funky but yeah that was the most stressed I've ever been today okay all right thank you everyone looks good okay thank you Dr thank it's really been important to hear the perspective from that you bring from the tonight we've learned a lot and it was thank you yeah it was really critical that you all are here so thank you all right let's review this one more time before we make a motion do you want me to read it out loud or are we comfortable reading to ourselves we can read them under purpose get rid of the extra eye I know I know it's gonna it's do it later do it later it's done it's done it's done and composition will also be cut too that was a linger uh councelor sh is capitalized where sorry what do you mean ABC under the charge ABC sh it's sh is capitalized but I don't know if it needs to charge oh thank you Pur I'm sorry did we agree that composition was simply not going to be taken out and we're not going to say anything we at one point we were at one point we had talked about encouraging blah blah blah have we decided not to do that we did not decide not to do that we didn't decide how to do it so composition come out until we make that decision yep I agree I agree I agree I'm gonna have to fix sh I don't what that decision should be but I think we y we need to thank you for remembering this is why I should didn't get rid of my comments okay um we will come let's we'll do you want to just do that now I think we should yeah we should yeah we trying to look at the final document and that's something we haven't resolved so we need to resolve it I know or not resolve it but it's the document is not final resolve it I agree all right how do we do this uh Lynn no I'm I have another comment for down below that's all okay so stick composition what do we do um I feel like I want to just say like the town of emeris is an equal opportunity employer folks who are other charges what do we say in other charges do we say anything about that I mean I don't think that we did originally well I know when we're talking not about gender race Etc we do talk about you know so many Architects so many this so many that people with climate background so on that's that's we can't phrase it that way though can can we phrase it like no fewer than three or voting members should repres that's how we can't no that's how we can't do it okay we can say we can say like we can't say preference will be given to but like I didn't say that the town of ammer I know you didn't I'm saying we could say we we cannot say no more no fewer than three will comprise XYZ right but maybe we could say the town of amorist encourages individuals who identify as black to apply for this committee that feel see my question my thing is my thing is George I don't think that goes in the charge I think that goes in the posting of the vacancies exactly exactly it it really I don't think there's anything we say we're not unless we're looking for specific skills um that you know in other charges you can certainly reference like can say you know someone you're looking for so many people with climate background or you know whatever but do you say that in the charge or I we do have like take climate action I'm sure in the climate action charge somewhere there's language to be effective you know looking for certain kinds of skills or background or whatever um anyway we could I think we should just take it out we should just take it out I think it should go in the posting um and we should make sure we say that when we discuss this at the council right right I I I don't know what others think but I think there's no way we can fine-tune this and no I appreciate you you bringing it up because it was something we were supposed to talk about um any issues uh under purpose I'm sorry should say in light of the Town councils longing okay let's take our time and social justice missions to carry forward the work of H Guided by the okay all right follow the recommendations we we're back to Pat's concern and it's a legitimate one I don't think there's an issue but let's see what people think um but want to move anything around but we start with review the recommendations in the report establish feasibility and priority provide recommendations for Action to the Town Council based on priority level and feasibility M consult with the black community on a regular basis about allocation of reparations funds and regarding other proposals under cons this one's a bit I know I don't know if we want to chop it up or just leave it as it is but basically consult with the black community on a regular basis um accept proposals from the community through a process determined by this body work with other Town committees and departments do you want to Capital no we don't I guess to pursue reparative projects and initiatives where Shar are present and advise and make recommendations to the Town Council on the expenditure funds from the town's reparation fund reparations fund Pat I'd actually Advocate to not move it because it's an ongoing process I think it's fine I see what you're saying about putting it making sure they're doing it throughout the the committee members are doing it throughout the feasibility and priority level but I think that it I think it fits there as kind of one of the things that is in perpetuity Lynn I agree I think it belongs at the very end because it's about the whole thing Pat what do you think go you brought this I just got lost are you talking about advise and make recommendations you had said this part you want it up further oh but I think I I guess Lynn is saying she wants it last I'm saying like it here I like it there I like it there because the they're using the report for their initial right work but they're also then meeting with the community the black community and saying of these what's most important to you and somebody says well yeah they're this and this is important but let's look at what's just happened here and how do we address that and somebody else says I'm going to write I'm going to submit a proposal for that or we should submit a proposal for that so it feels like it's part of the process it feel I don't know it feels like a dynamic connection yeah councelor Ryan so I'm going to propose taking the last bullet point which is very specific and moving it up to bullet point make it bullet point four and then leave everything else the way it is and I'd like to and I'd like to take at least one word out of the wordy one that we've created and that would be regarding at least make it a little bit shorter I'd like to be shorter still but I think um you know it's it's so under consult with the black community on a regular basis about the allocation of reparations funds and other proposals under consideration by the committee is that and maybe yeah that's fine involve invol involved reparative Justice rather than regard well except the whole thing is about reparative Justice what they wouldn't be proposing something that I understand I understand and that's why we might just take it out again but right the idea was that isn't the conversations are certainly not going to be just about the fund okay they're going to be about larger issues and I thought they just leaving it as larger issues or whatever was a i anyway that was just and that's fine that's fine involve rather than regarding involving repairative justice but okay so keep it in but change this to involve involving yeah it's better and I'd still like to get it to just two lines but I don't see any way to do that you can make the thought smaller okay okay um all right all right anything else on this in George's goal of keeping it to two lines yes you could say regularly consult with the black community about the allocation of reparation funds and other proposals under consideration regularly consult regularly consult and you get rid of a whole phrase there that would be nice councelor consults regularly thank you GNA kill me well as a as a Latin scholar I I like putting adverbs in strange places but anyway that's okay regularly with the black community all right we got George's two two lines okay could have also just made the margin smaller anyway there's so many solutions to this councelor Ryan I move uh that uh we uh what adopt or no we declare we recommend the adoption recommend that the Town Council to the Town Council to the Town Council that they adopt the amoris black reparation committee charge um as amended or as presented by as whatever it's really as presented yeah here where we need a the I know it's as presented it's presented on the screen right now as presented as presented well no because there's spacing errors on the screen as it minus so the motion motion over please thank you yes um that um we recommend that the Town Council adopt the Amorous black reparations committee charge as presented by the go committee on August 2 August 22nd August 22nd second second okay oh okay um I don't care you can no no no it's fine you can have it all right I'm gonna call the vote Pat d'angeles hi ly grimer I councelor Ryan hi councelor ete hi and I am an i as well it passes unanimously I'm Gonna Save this right this moment so I don't lose anything um Dr shabbaz thank you so so much I really really appreciate we all really really appreciate your um your guidance and your help and please pass our thanks on to Michelle as well um Lynn do you have any thoughts on when this will be in front of the council just because we're lucky to have you here and you might have some we can bring this do we have another meeting before the 9th yes we do okay then I'm don't we do we not I thought we did I'd have to look at my calendar and it's not here I'm gonna want me go get it uh we have a meeting on September 5th you're checking yeah that's what I thought September 5th yes we do I'm GNA suggest that I I think the council agenda on the 9th has room on it okay if it doesn't I'll move it to the 23rd or 26th whatever the other one is but here's what I'm going to suggest is let's not try to do the um bylaw tonight instead I was going to yeah let's just quickly do the other thing I hate to say it but I have a TV show I really want to watch at 8 o'clock is it the Democratic National con oh yes excuse me I was trying not to be partisan um oh come on TV show you can watch it no matter what political persuasion is right you may want to watch it in Hoot but yes right right you're either hate watching or anyway sorry so all of that aside I agree Lynn that's fine we will uh I I agree because it's 805 now I didn't think we'd make any good reasonable dent on nuisance but um I would like to just make sure that folks were able to access it see the comments and just make sure there weren't any questions um about it before we get into it knowing that we're going to get into it at our next meeting councilor Ryan oh I have questions but I'm not sure we can resolve them at least not here okay it may be resolved only in the the process of going through it paragraph by paragraph but the document that we have now uh from CRC um which does have some comments by CRC members if I understand it and read it correctly some of the comments are by Pam roon and some are by Manny johanik and no one else commented as far as I could tell um but in the document we have the lawyers comments are gone um and so we have number of things have just disappeared um which I guess is fine but we have the the lawyers uh edited version now we have a CRC response to lawyers edited version and I assume we can't just ignore or forget what the lawyers did we have to kind of right so y in the packet I have the lawyer's version personally on my computer maybe everybody else does too but I think we're going to need that okay plus the one that you put in the packet um okay it's going to be it's not going to be pleasant but I think that's what we have okay um I do think George I I yes I think some of the lawyer comments are still in there just listed as author um from the first round but I I agree I think a lot of them were lost I can um I'll play around with combining the documents to just so we can look on one screen um that has worked in the past uh but I will I'll I'll be sure to put both versions in the packet for the next meeting a thank you very much no problem and I'll email them to the committee members because I know the packets get posted a bit close to the deadline sometimes put P what am I doing put both Nuance thank you uh bylaws into packet all right any uh Lynn yeah I would suggest that we ask either somebody from CRC to be at our meeting pleas yes and and I for instance there is a definition missing it's the definition of tenant but let's not get into that stuff both coun and I are on CRC but I do think that it should be Pam Ro or Mandy because um well that's more helpful for you all to be able to be in in your go hat right it would be yeah we really need someone however that does mean we have a quorum of CRC oh that's our president's fault teing ly I'm not GNA take it personally um I think as long as we have at Rea and our councel and uh what's her name p here Pat here I think it's fine we don't need anybody else um I'm also going to suggest that we do the resolution um next right coun is laughing hysterically so can he share his response please I was trying to not cut people off anymore does anyone else have any commentary about how I'm sharing this meeting right now we are going to do the resolution next I'm gonna take one more comment from councelor ET before we move on councelor what you got I think it would be helpful to have one of the co-chairs of CRC at the meeting from what I gather in a previous comment that aena had made you could have that Quorum as long as it doesn't exist when a decision is going to be made then that should be fine so if there's a discussion then that's okay but um whoever it is could be removed at a point when we're about to make it vot I could also sit out of the whole thing I hate it you have to say you hate go um I I will check with Athena and get back to you all I hear you though that it would be helpful to have someone from CRC here we also could ask them to call a special CRC meeting just for the purposes of discussing this bylaw um but I will handle that with aena Lynn anything else your hand is up can also we can also do the resolution next time no no no we can do it you really want to go I just there's a certain speech I don't want to miss okay all right there are four of us here Len you're perfectly free to to yeah you can ly you can duck off it's okay I'm one of the sponsors and I worked with the people that did it it's okay all right are there any sponsors here let's do it real quick okay let's just try to get through it really quick let's be our nicest s with no I'm also a sponsor believe it or not YouTube YouTube will also probably present the speech that you want to hear can I so we need we need a a good this is a h word document yes yes this is a word so I'll give you two changes right up front Okay um one is to add uh delin gothier under counselors oh my God you're the only other one that passed so far well if she's a sponsor then you could go away exactly you could take me off too I was a late sponsor um yeah just I didn't know this was happening but I'm very excited about it happening okay and then in the fourth whereas the U Community sponsors uh have a correction that needs to be made and so it would read uh whereas the town of amrest has in recent years expanded its network of bik bike lanes and shared youth path including the swiftway connecting UMass ammer to mcrt and is planning more facilities such as these I object to the word facilities I think it's a terrible word um are not fa sounds like bathrooms I know I would just say projects uh would that's good natural word um and it's planning more projects such as these that's fine yep I agree that's all that was my thank you um all right starting from the top get rid of ammer council yeah get the ammer toown council header should not be there right where are you talking about very top very top line ammer Town Council September what the heck sorry yeah that goes away I don't know do we really want to have and the resolution please Pat let me do my thing a resolution should be at the top and the council sponsor should be underneath it yes you're correct thank you it's all right just just let's get it out of it so just delete I'm going I'm going I'm going you're doing great you're doing great all right that's my next up okay then we just go through it I it's it's good all right first whereas any changes my only question was do we typically have hyperlinks in text don't that's what I was gonna say okay we can take that out all right I don't mind that it's hyperlink I just don't want the website to have to be read out loud okay so hyperlinks are okay but the URLs are not okay I I think so um wait wait okay next the westernmost portion the of the mass Central rail trip good okay all right next whereas why do we have to have that they're the largest employer I guess it doesn't I mean I guess that means they have more uh staff and facult I don't know I don't care Clarity consistency iil I don't yeah I think yeah I agree I don't think it's up to us all right next one last decade town of ammer T we already discussed this one yep whereas completion of the mcrt I have a question are you taking out the largest employer thing or leaving it in leaving it in okay leaving it in seemed to think it wasn't okay you know all right that's fine as wait hang on do mean a as a a yeah that's right I was like what is it okay all right we're on to this one yep I think there should be an and here which one are we talking about I'm sorry uh whereas the completed mcrt would mitigate traffic facilitate bike and walk to school programs and improve climate resiliency yeah yep thank you shouldn't this be Recreation is an attractive Recreation right R recreational tourism and other tourism now it's an adjective um I don't know what other tourism would there be but um I guess whatever keep going ecotourism yeah leave it as recreational it's yeah for recreational tourism unless well go back to for a second I guess it's back to the I don't know what the sponsors that in mind it could be for recreation and well it's other tourism so no it's Recreation all right okay I I don't like it but it's fine okay uh get rid of the website thingy yes ma'am the address I understand thank you thank you dear the whole internet okay that too [Music] um okay's take if your speaker was the governor of Massachusetts you might want to jump off now um oh bye bye bye bye all right from the record show I don't think we need this because the record show that Lynn has left at 8:16 p.m um so vital project to push for the completion of the entire mcrt mcrt stands for Massachusetts Central rail trail so I and I think unless we say Boston Massachusetts we don't need to stay Northampton I'm being picky sorry sorry sorry sorry I don't I just don't think this is necessary the Massachusetts is not necessary yes that's what I'm saying from Boston to North yeah I agree that's yeah the portion in amoris tly Northampton is complete but gaps remain in Bel and further to has right away are there times where you capitalize East not here okay no I don't think so okay thank you I'm fine with this now it's okay there's some dog that's been barking for the last 15 minutes outside my house somewhere weird go out and look after this is over well you can we still have a if you leave Pat so get a new Pat we're almost done I know I'm staying okay okay it shouldn't this say that we Council we we do yes okay all right come after console Corin I think she only got like the last 30 seconds of that speech oh um I feel like this should be two but I don't know how to break it out so I'm just going to leave it I think leave it it's fine okay all right uh do I have a motion I mve to declare if you can scroll up so I can read the title of this again I mve to declare the resolution in support of completing the Massachusetts Central rail trail to be clear consistent and actionable second d'angeles thank you and I'm gonna call the vote councelor Ryan hi uh I am an i Pat Hi and councelor hi all right folks we are going to stop it there for tonight um our next meeting thank you all very much our next meeting is September 5th um at 6:30 and we will be taking up nuisance I'm going to reach out to Athena to figure out how to get someone from CRC here for that and we'll make sure that everybody has all of the copies of that um bylaw before we before we meet thank you all thank you very much Anna very much yeah have a 10 minutes early we're doing great have a happy rest of your evening everyone you too take care meeting is adjourned at 8:20 p.m. oh do I need to motion sorry I you have to motion and vote I forgot says who who who made that decision I don't know I'm too scar why don't we just say wa you're dragging it out I move We join the meeting at 8:20 PM is there a second no one's going to Second my motion are you kidding me right now fine we will sit here lovely evening oh my God I want to know who requires us to do this I don't start saying didn't glad this is still part of the recording thank you counselor Ryan I abstain fine count Pat I thank you counselor ET I thank you I am an I sorry George we gotta and thank you for having a humorous meeting everyone it's much more style not that humorous occasionally humorous all right have a have a wonderful evening everybody bye bye