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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: 2CBzTLp-Jwo):
- 00:00:02: Initial Discussion, Survey Revisions, and Gaston's Arrival
- 00:05:10: Reviewing Survey Edits: Resident vs. Non-Resident Questions
- 00:07:04: Postcard Update and Prioritizing Survey Completion
- 00:07:52: Survey Preview: Resident, Non-Resident, and ADU Link
- 00:08:24: Survey Flow: Resident, District, and Home Tenure
- 00:11:44: Income Question Disclaimer and Homeowner/Renter Paths
- 00:13:20: Homeowner Path: ADU Considerations and Challenges
- 00:15:32: Incentives: Financial Support for ADU Development
- 00:16:23: Revising Incentive Question: Qualitative Feedback Approach
- 00:21:54: Adding Context to Income Question and ADU Rental
- 00:25:55: Family Member Homeowners and Practical Next Steps
- 00:26:43: MassHousing Loan Program and Resource Information
- 00:30:30: Broadening ADU Information and Email Disclaimers
- 00:33:27: Renter Path and Possible Home Ownership Programs
- 00:37:58: Interest in Home Buying Programs and Follow-up Actions
- 00:41:36: Relocating Home Buying Question and Survey Feedback
- 00:45:36: Meeting Logistics, Concrete Business, and Postcard Draft
- 00:48:58: Postcard Content: Financial and Technical Assistance
- 00:51:43: Postcard Logistics and Discussion on Call for Ideas
- 00:52:50: Scheduling Session, Email Follow Up, and Adjournment


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Um and we are now live uh with just a couple of us for um the development subcommittee of the Ammerst Municipal Affordable Housing Trust. Um uh we currently have no uh audience members. Uh but this will

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be recorded for posterity. Um and the town's uh the town's YouTube channel uh which just gets longer every week. Um, so yeah, I mean while we wait for Gastau, Bob, is

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anything to cover or I mean I had a couple random >> I sent the revised draft um of that and just made a few additional really minor minor tweaks this morning. Um, so I

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guess when Gaston gets here, >> we can go over that. But you know the basic change is to try and split the the survey so that Amoris residents and non-residents will not have exactly the same questions

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and so that homeowners and renters >> Okay. >> can also be uh sort of uh you know tweaked so that the they get the relevant questions. >> Got it. Okay. And you've got the you've got this I forget the logic or whatever it's called uh plugged in. It seems like Okay.

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>> Yeah. I mean, it's a little it's a little I don't know what's the right word. Clunky. Um, but I think you know what when Gaston gets here, we can look at it. Um, you have to use the preview mode. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> To be able to see how it goes. And I

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have like one question about um whether a certain question should go this way or that way, but you know, we can we can decide that. But I think it's in decent shape. >> Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, I had a couple um

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um just random things that came to me. I was I looked at it when you sent it out and then I meant to come back to it and then I just I just got back to this morning. Um um the um really just context like I think maybe

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um some sort of just disclaimer on the income one just something to the effect of you know this helps us understand the relevance of different um uh local and state resources you know like you know

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remembering some folks might have no familiarity with means tested uh Massachusetts. Um >> and then there was another thing that was kind of like that. What was it? >> Um

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Oh yeah. Um maybe maybe something instead of the phrase financing pre-development like something more lame >> towards the end, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Then that those are kind of the two

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>> Oh no, that was in the um that was in the what do you consider the significant challenges? Yeah. >> Um >> because that's not really understood. >> Well, I'm I'm just trying I'm trying to think about Yeah. Like pre

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pre-development is kind of like a like a an industry term, you know, and and I wonder if >> um >> so in the in the >> when you see the question in the the editing frame, you can't see the full answer. >> Oh, I So the full answer is actually for

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eg feasibility study preliminary design. >> Okay, I've gone Oh, I can't go there without >> without doing the preview. That's I liked um I like survey monkey better to see that. But I think you know as

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long as we have that maybe that's sufficient. >> Oh yeah, I think so. Um um yeah. Um >> there's Gusto. >> Hey, sorry about that uh department

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meeting. >> All right. >> All good. Welcome. >> Thank you. How are you guys? good >> good you know sort of the trials and travails of all of it but pretty good all

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notwithstanding um so we are recording just as a reminder hopefully you got that uh >> thing okay um so yeah we were talking about Bob's edits to the survey >> okay >> um

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uh >> would you like me to share screen or >> Sure Is it giving you the option, Bob? >> I think so. Let me check. One second. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay.

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Is that uh Yep. >> We see Okay. Let me know if you want me to make it bigger. I can see. Okay. >> So, Gaston, I was just sort of saying,

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you know, the the basic changes were to um split the survey so that um residents and non-residents would go to different sets of questions. Some are common, some are different. Likewise for homeowners and renters. There's some uh

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customization there. Um tried to simplify language in a couple of places. Um and uh there is u I've just thrown in the voting map, the district map uh in

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terms of trying to identify um uh where where people are are living. Um, and then, um, I don't know, we were just going to sort of go go through that. Um, >> did you have any

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comments? Uh, >> no, I guess I I'm curious to get an update from from Greg on the on the physical side of this plan, the on on doing the cards and and choosing some routes and all that.

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>> Yeah, I'm unfortunately behind on that. I did start a postcard, which I can share a little bit. Um, uh, and I got to figure out I've been on the side kind of figuring out like how to spend money on on this, which I guess it's not going to be too difficult as it turns out, but it took me a while to get to that to get to that answer. But, um,

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>> all right. >> Um, but yeah, we we can spend some bucks. Um, but yeah, but I think yeah, I think my thought is like go with a few routes, you know, and public advertising and then um Okay. >> and then uh add more routes, you know, depending on responses.

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>> Okay. >> Right. Um but uh yeah I so the I mean should we just finish with the survey? >> Yeah let's go through the survey then. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. So um the sort of introduction

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part is is a little shorter than it was before and simpler. I also added a link to uh ADUs. It just goes to the state place state page about you know what is an ADU. Okay. >> Um, >> so why don't I do it in preview mode and

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I'll just go through it quickly as a renter and as a homeowner or as a resident and non-re Well, both of those. So, >> y >> let me just start the preview mode. Okay. Is that big enough or do you want me to make that a little bigger? >> That works. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. So, uh, let's say we'll start out as a resident. Um, then we go to next. And we're in Ammer. What? What? If you say no, then what happens? >> I'll show you. >> Okay. Because everyone, we don't want

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anyone who's not a resident to fill this out, right? >> Uh, no. I thought we said like um Well, we wanted to know because we don't necessarily have control. So, we could do it as if you're not a resident, thank you anyway. Goodbye.

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>> But I'll show you what um >> Okay. >> What happens uh if not, let's see. up there. So, no. Uh, >> okay. >> Are you planning to move to Ammerst? And then there's just a little demographic,

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age, the income, >> and then they would go next to Sorry, I got to answer it in order to go on. Um >> and the income one I haven't for either the resident or non-resident I haven't

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made that a required question but we can decide whether we should have that as required. >> Okay. >> Um so this we're still um then in a non-resident right now. Um so let's say

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they say they're a renter. Um, this would be the same as a resident or non-renter. Do they currently live in ADU? If so, how much is their rent? Um,

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>> and then the incentives. This is the same as for a homeowner like um if there was an incentive. >> Okay. >> Um, so why don't I go back to that? So I guess basic question then is um do we

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want that much from non-residents or not? >> I mean I suspect that we won't get any but if we do and they want to answer these questions it doesn't hurt I don't think so I I don't

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see an issue but I I would I would doubt we'd get you know more than a random one or two of those. That's kind of what I think as well that sort of Yeah, I wasn't sure. So, I >> thought it doesn't hurt. But for the

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main um our main targets, I guess, let me go back to preview mode and say we're a resident. So, then it just has the map and then to that is which district are you in? >> Okay, great.

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>> That's required. Uh how long have you lived in your home? that's required. Age required. And then for the um income level, uh right now that's not required, but I can change that. >> Okay. >> I tried to tweak the wording a little

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bit and added an example. Um you know, so for example, if you're a twoerson household, blah blah blah, to just to make it easier to fill out. Um okay. Yeah. Um, do you have comment?

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>> No, no, I'm just saying. >> Yeah, I mean everything is clear and unambiguous, so it looks so far so good. >> Okay, >> just as a quick side note, >> I should be able to replace that chart within 10 days or so with some new

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numbers from Yeah. >> Okay. Um, so next and then it goes to the rental or home. >> Yeah. Um, and there's also live with family members who are homeowners. We

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had added that earlier. >> So, right now the renter one goes to that page we saw a little bit earlier >> and I live with family member who are homeowners also went to that one. I'm not sure if that's okay to go to renter

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for that or whether it should go to homeowner. >> Can you repeat that question? >> Yeah. So, so there are basically two streams right now depending on how you answer this question. >> There's a homeowner stream and then there's a renter stream.

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>> But we have this third >> this third um option of you live with family members who are homeowners. So, >> right. So, then what which do we put do we have them answer homeowner questions or renter questions thereafter?

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>> Yeah. Or or skip entirely. Um, but >> um I mean if they if we if they've gotten this far, they're they're willing to answer questions and so we might as well collect it. And I Why don't we go through down the two streams and maybe

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come back to this question after we look at them and imagine which one seems more appropriate. >> Okay, so let's start with the homeowner. Um, and then these were not much change from the original. So, if you're a homeowner,

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do you currently have an ADU on your property? Yes. No. Not applicable. Um, have you considered building an ADU on your property or might you consider building one in the future? Um, and then if you already have one, what

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kind? Sorry, what? Um, sorry, the what kind was in the first one? Is it attached or is it internal? >> And then if you have one, um, what were the main reasons for doing so or you're thinking of having one?

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>> We had these responses providing housing, creating alternative housing, downsizing, aging in place. Um, >> so do we need a not applicable answer here? Uh

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could >> because I'm because the answer might be no I don't have one right. Um yeah or we could just make it non >> it's not right now it's not required. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Is that enough or do you would you put that >> Well maybe we could just say um uh check

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any that apply or skip if not applicable. >> Okay. I have to go back to the editing mode to make that change, but I'll do that. Um uh uh yes. Okay. I uh um we'll make uh we'll remember that. Okay.

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>> Okay. Um and then the question about what are challenges or obstacles. >> Okay. >> Um and here Greg you had asked earlier about the financing pre-development. You you can't see the full answer here.

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You've got the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, and then if they say others asking it's an open open-ended so I think I have to answer all these in order to move on or just this one.

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>> Yeah. >> This one is also required. >> Oops. Sorry. And then it goes to um incentives. Um, so would you consider building an ADU with an affordability covenant? Um,

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if some level of financial support were available, we had yes, no, maybe, not applicable. And then I added this next question. I don't know if it's on target or not. Um, but uh, if your answer to that above question would depend on the amount of

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financial support available, how much of an incentive would be needed for you to consider it? Um, and I just picked some numbers. I don't know whether these make sense or whether the question is worthwhile, but what do you guys think?

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Um, I think the direction is interesting, but I might or I might take a different approach, right? like because I I wonder if a more productive area of

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exploration might be, you know, if um we might have to sort of soften not not soften the idea of a covenant, but like but I guess maybe the thing I'm thinking is

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would you know would you appreciate support with um uh you know with a down with with equity or with um with a loan or you know technical assistance or whatever. And and I say that because I

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think the specific numbers I question how many folks are going to know enough about what it costs to build an ADU in order to accurately quote what they need.

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So, I wonder if there's like a if there's a more drilled in question that would give us some more reliable intelligence. Another way to do it would be just put in a, you know, a number field and and Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I mean, I in in in a sense, if they've answered yes to the previous question, >> um, then we've we've caught a fish, so to speak, >> right? >> Yeah.

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uh and and we'll kind of take it from there face to face with this person, >> right? I think it's the maybe people that we're looking at. >> Um >> you know, like you know, you know, would you consider it? Yeah, it might be. But like how much is on the table is what my

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original thought was. But I see Greg's point too. could so how about we um maybe just have a um a qualitative box that asks them could you please expand on your answer to the previous question. So whether they say yes no or maybe even

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if they say no it will help us to hear why they say no right. Yeah, >> because we people may have a hangup that we have never even thought of that is not hard to uh overcome.

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>> Okay. >> What do you think, Greg? >> Um, so we're >> so >> and so I guess how would you how would you rephrase the question? I guess don't >> Well, no. So I would basically instead of having the the question about how

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much money it would be basically expand on your on your answer above. >> Um okay. Um um yeah, I mean I think that um um

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yeah and and noting that like we might not get a lot of answers to to you know to that detail that could be I think that's okay you know I don't think that's hugely problematic but >> yeah I mean we could ask nicely um um uh you know you you know we can say more

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like it would uh could you well could you please ex Tell us more about your answer above. This will um you know help us develop policies that will make a difference in Amherst or something like that.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, I think that makes a little more sense. I mean, yeah, I think the the numbers thing I don't think we know the numbers, you know. Um, so yeah, I think that's a

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little more um that I think that'll give us some places to for further exploration, you know, which I think is part of what we're going for here. Um, >> this will help us What were you saying?

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>> I mean, I I had something totally generic. um you know make a difference for affordable housing in Amherst >> or or just understand um you know uh understand opportunities and obstacles >> which we talk about another one. This

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will help us understand >> or this will this will inform >> our work with the community >> think there's maybe a difference

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something like that I mean that's that may make a difference is not I want to say but um >> um that may be productive Um or maybe useful >> something like that. >> Yeah, >> that's not a question now.

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types of support. Yeah. So, how about that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Great. >> What was that other one we had said? It was um

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>> it was just caveing the income, I think. um you know saying you know uh you know this will help us understand um I mean I don't know if there's a way to do it like on a separate line you know or isn't there like an instruction

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I might be thinking of survey monkey now but in the are are we in the edit yeah we're in the edit edit mode now >> is there a description or no I think I'm thinking of a different app I think but like sometimes they have like Um,

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they have uh >> Well, you can Yeah, it would sit up above, but it gets clunky. >> Yeah, that's maybe too clunky. I It's okay. You could just put it at the end or whatever, but I guess I was just going to say like uh something to the effect of um this will um um help us

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understand what uh state and local resources might be available. Um >> uh so people understand like why we're asking for their income, you know. Um >> got it. Um.

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Oh, there you go. Look at that. Italics. Um. Um. And then >> to add that to the other one, too, because we have this. >> Oh, I see. We've got it a couple places. Okay. something above it.

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Um, there was another minor we were going to add a not applicable somewhere. I can't remember which question that was. Um, Do you rent? No. Oh, here. Do you currently live in a

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rental ADU? Yeah. Okay. and and I guess but this would only be posed to renters I'm forgetting what the scenario was in which an NA might be

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relevant to this question but um that was rental and then I think we oh we were going to go back to the question of whether excuse me if you live with family who are homeowners which stream you go to after that.

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I think I I will >> um I will throw out that I think that should be the homeowner track. >> Yeah. On the logic. >> I think so. We kind of invite them to think on behalf of their family.

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>> Yeah. Um because I you know I don't know if this hap this is be going to be as prevalent in Ammerst. But I think I think there are scenarios in this work, you know, regionally and nationally where, you know, folks were,

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you know, living with a family member might be involved in building something that family member's yard. Um >> Yeah. >> Um >> and can we go to the end? And and that

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was the one other question I had was um how we >> the followup. >> Yeah. Um you know the one the thinking about practical next steps on the other end of this survey. I think

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one of the most concrete ways we can deploy this is with um the mass h the mass housing loan. Um and so we should probably and this is this gets tricky because the mass housing we've been talking about in this survey,

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you know, like capital A affordable housing and covenants and stuff. The mass housing loan won't um require covenants um in and of itself. It could in conjunction with something else. Um, but I but I wonder

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if we should say something to the effect of, you know, you know, would you be interested in speaking with the volunteers? Um, maybe a separate question, you know, would you like to hear about um new

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uh, you know, resources available to homeowners to build ADUs? Um cuz I cuz you know I I'd like even if they don't want to be a part of a you know an interview or something like if someone's open to hearing about a low interest loan I think

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I mean I I don't you mean do we think this should be part should be a different question or should be part of the previous question. >> The previous question sort of is predicated on somebody actually following up with them directly. >> Okay. So I I would go if we're going to

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add this, which seems all right as a separate question. >> Um learning about um you know um new resources uh um uh I mean I would even say new financial

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and technical assistance resources um for building ADUs with and without covenants. I I wonder if the the covenants is just going to be too technical. If it's out, then it kind of doesn't matter, right?

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Well, I mean, I guess like I'm wondering, do we take them down a path that says, "Oh, these folks are interested in capital A affordable housing, and I don't want to do that, so I don't want to hear about their resources."

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But in fact, the the re one of the most significant resources we we'll be able to refer people to is this mass housing loan, which won't require >> Yeah. I I mean I I >> I think we want we want to cast a wide

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net. So anything that that turns them into a contact is is what we are looking for. So we >> So um so >> I added the word affordable. How about that? Does that work? >> You know, how about what we just said for homers building ADUs dashffordable or market rate.

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>> Okay. >> Or something equating that. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I It feels like it sort of it's more like if it's more than what we need to take on like to give them information about

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market rate ADUs. >> Well, yeah. I mean, so Bob, I think the the thing, you know, and and you know, we can just I guess we're zooming. I'm zooming out here a little bit. So, you know, this

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this mass housing loan is it's not going to be pointed at an affordable housing type product, right? So, it's going to they're they're going to vet the, you know, the income of the homeowner, but they're not they're not

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going to require homeowners who use that resource to um put a covenant on on an eventual ADU or require that homeowner to rent the ADU to an affordable tenant. Right? So, like the the constituent they're thinking about

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is the income qualified homeowner. So, We just don't say anything further and just leave it more simple like that. >> I think we can leave. Well, what's the previous just to see where they're coming from? What's the previous question?

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>> Um, yeah. I I think I think it's fine. We >> we want people to say yes and then we want to talk to them. >> Okay. >> And the above one too is also agnostic. It doesn't >> Okay.

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Yeah. Um Okay. Um, yeah. And they just got to flip that to a I guess. Yeah, just a yes or no. And um >> Oh, sorry. Yeah, that would help. >> Um,

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>> and um >> and we should and then and then do we have a disclaimer on the um email field? >> What do you mean a disclaimer? like, you know, we won't share your uh information

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um outside of the Municipal Housing Trust. I think I used trust in previous questions repeating the whole thing. Yeah. And I've set in terms of the um

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uh settings there's uh not automatically collecting uh got it. Okay. Good. >> Set that way. >> Okay. >> To go over anything else.

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>> We we went down the other path as well. >> Uh >> uh we went down the renter route. Well, let's just quickly do that again, I guess. Oops. Where am I? Here we go. Okay. Uh

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uh like an amorous renter. >> Yeah. Yes. >> So, it's still asking where they live. >> So, this is before rent. This is before you get to renter >> homeowner. This is strictly that. So, okay.

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And it just says lived in your home. >> Yeah. >> A renter. >> Renter. >> Do you currently live in an ADU? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um and then I guess rent.

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>> Well, let's see if they do. >> So, this isn't this isn't a required. >> Okay. Neither of these are required. >> Okay. >> But are these bands okay or >> I I Yeah, they seem fine to me. >> Okay. So, next.

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Uh, and then it just goes straight to that incentive section which is the same. So, it's a little bit like, you know, >> right? You are you ready? They're probably not going to >> Yeah. Is that all right? I mean,

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>> I think it's I I think it's okay. Um uh I mean, I think the idea to mo make someone consider say, "Wait a second. Is this a way I could become a homeowner? Are we creating false hope? Is do we see a possible path?" If suppose someone is

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a renter and it gets excited by our survey, what what's the best case scenario for how we could help them? >> Yeah, I don't think it hurts. They can always say not applicable. Um, >> right. I'm I'm kind of visualizing.

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Okay, now we we've got this person like >> I I'm excited. I would love to uh be able to build an ADU and can you I mean maybe we would match them with a homeowner or something or

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well or what what would be our what would we try to do for such a person? They say they're renting and if they said yes they're well if they said yes they're interested in doing it, we'd treat them the same as a homeowner. Really? >> No. I I I >> but they don't own a home yet. I'm just

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curious. What could we do for them is my my what I'm asking. I'm just >> wondering. >> I don't I mean as things stand right now I think the

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answer is not much. Um, you know, I will say that I I am interested in sort of funky first-time home buyer um programs that do >> that focus on um like with like with

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building, right? you know, like >> I've fiddled around with ideas around um like somebody buying a duplex and you know, or you know, what is essentially you know, a um a home with an internal ADU um which are

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by the way much much much cheaper to build uh than detached ADUs. Um >> um and you know and and it maybe in some narrow cases, you know, in the distant horizon that product is is more

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viable for a first-time homeowner than a straight house, you know, uh you know, with rental income. Um so like this might give us some data, I think, to sort of understand like might there be demand out there for that kind of a thing. >> Yeah. I I guess my my my wonder is would

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it be ideal to have one more question before this which is are you interested in learning more about firsttime home buyer programs as a as a predecessor question.

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>> Yeah. Or or are you or even even like zooming out from that like you know um you know are you interested in in in buying a home um or or something like you know something uh that sort of like

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>> are you interested in learning about programs that might help you buy a home? >> I mean do and I and so guess you're thinking like the practical followup we might offer. Well, I I I mean, I I I I think it's fine for our information purposes. I I'm

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I'm more kind of moving to the next level and and we managed to get a a handful of renters who are interested in in what we're pitching. Um I we would first try to connect them

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then to firsttime home buyer programs, >> right? Um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if if we were engaged with them and they were and they said, "Hey, what you know what, you know, if I'm interested in buying a home in the next few years, you know, what can I do?" Um, >> and then we might say, "And you know what? We we might be able to make this

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even a sweeter deal by making, you know, helping you buy your first home and then put an ADU on it. It's that it's becoming quite ambitious. If we could pull it off, it would be wonderful." >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, so yeah. So I think something that just sort of gauges like

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you know just reality check like you know this means you need to buy a house right you know like you know we don't have to phrase that but yes but I think what what you know I mean I think like the and I guess the question in my mind like tactically is is it is it makes

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sense to do of to to go right to the sort of service or the the the program they might enroll in >> or just the sort of general level of interest. Um, you know, I mean, it may be that they've

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already taken like for in some cases, somebody might have already taken a first-time home buyer program, you know, um, >> in, you know, learning about programs that could help you purchase a home in Amherst. We can leave it pretty generic, I think.

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Um and and so I mean if we if we got some such some you know because not everyone uh some people who are renting might might have more capacity to pull this off, right?

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>> I mean the the real dream is, you know, renters pitching homeowners like let me let me build a house in your backyard, you know, like >> Well, right. You can't quite do >> but we would if if such were a demand

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out there >> we would have our work to try to create a framework. >> Yeah. >> That facilitates that matching >> matching. Yeah. >> And that would and and if we that would be a huge that would be a kind of contribution that really would fit the

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trust because we're talking about legal documents. We're talking about term sheets that would be needed to make that work. >> Um, so yeah, I mean, and this is, you know, like, you know, and this could

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just be kind of a little flag for us, you know, if if if we get 25 yeses to this, like, oh, actually, >> we need to, you know, get more data on renters and what specifically they want, you know, I mean, like, you know, so this can just be a a guidepost for us. Um,

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>> so the place that I've put this question is actually at the end, which I think is probably better than putting it right in the renter part because we have these questions. It's really a follow-up question. Do you want to learn about something? Do you want us to contact you? So, I just added it added it here.

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>> Okay. C can I um this is this is a little bit picky nits or maybe a better term is sort of ca but um uh I wonder if we should subtract in

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Ammerst. Um reason being there are not um uh there's not first-time home buyer funds dedicated to Ammerst right now. um the and the the home buyer programs that we can refer to, they would certainly apply to Ammerst, but I just don't I don't want to imply

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that there's some subsidized on-ramp right now into Ammerst. Um if that makes sense. Um >> I think it'll sort of be assumed that it's Amoris to it. >> Yeah. Yes. Which is fine, but I guess so. >> Yeah. I I just don't want, you know, the

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the, you know, the the edge case to be like, you said there was ways to buy affordable homes in Ammerst and like that's, you know, unfortunately we don't have that easy on-ramp right now. But, um, you know, as far as like, you know, a dedicated subsidy. Um, but yeah.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh thank thanks for your uh your your diligence here, Bob, and for um taking Google Forms to the next level. I um I I would like to recommend that

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uh you include the link to this survey and um and maybe we actually invite trust members to to go through it as a way of having feedback at our next meeting. What do you think?

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>> That would be fine with me. I'm just trying to think would we have >> so would we have to make the survey live then? >> Well, we we we could we could make we could just duplicate it and call it test version um uh uh you know and and share

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that one and and it will also give us a chance to actually see responses and um uh >> Sure. Okay. So, yeah, that that that can make sense. I mean, I think I'm mistaking about it because it would have to be in the packet. So, you know, we get some But yeah, we could just um I

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can do that. I think I can just copy it and I'll make something that I don't think I can do a watermark, but um um but something that um >> you you mean in include the the text to the survey in the packet or just include

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the link? No, this just I I assume you meant the link so people can actually interact with it. And I guess I'm saying like, you know, we have to I watermark meaning like I don't think in the background or whatever in the HTML of the Google form. I don't think we can

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put a draft or anything. Uh you know, but we can put it in the title and >> yeah, you can put it up in the um in the title and then also you can put it right up in this introductory part. We'll have to tell people to you know

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that they don't have to um uh you know answer any question they don't want to >> um um or they can >> you know play with it and make put in pretend answers or answer it 10 times or you know um >> right but they won't have the editing version they'll just have

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>> they'll have the publisher >> Greg did have you have we had any feedback about doing the next meeting live >> I I didn't know I didn't get much maybe one or two I I don't think I heard um that. >> And do do we have a a room reserved?

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>> Um no, I don't actually. Um that shouldn't be too hard though. Um I don't think there's >> I mean the the downstairs room is nice. >> The um first floor. Yeah. Is this a a license commission month? I forget.

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>> Um >> week. Um yeah, I'll have to look at it. Um >> okay. Um the current I'll I'll look >> what's our date for this again >> for the next meeting?

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>> 14th two weeks. >> Oh, I do have it. >> Um >> okay, got it. >> Actually, I can just look at the internal calendar. It's going to be easier. >> Yeah, I'm fine either way.

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Uh Ter room. Um, first floor. Um, the first floor uh looks like we could get um possibly the town room, although I got to check. Um,

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>> I mean the the the first floor is cozier and would be easier to kind of transition to a reception of sorts. >> Yeah. Um, yes. and Gaston. Um I don't want to

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cover it here. Um but uh >> pending a meeting later today, we may have some concrete business to to handle which >> Okay. >> Um which might lend itself towards Zoom to be honest. Um um so let's let's you and I follow up specifically in the next couple days

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>> maybe maybe even later today. Um >> okay. All right. Fine. Well, keep that >> um bracketed. >> Um >> okay. But yeah, you know, and we we could also um Oh, yeah, we couldn't we couldn't do Zoom Plus Slide. That wouldn't work. But

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um um I think there's a good chance we might be able to get to the town room, too. There it's often just as placeholders that aren't real. So, I'll I'll get to that. >> Okay. >> Um uh Okay. Um and then I, you know, I have like a

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really draft uh concept really of a postcard I need to have get some help from. Um, >> okay. >> Um, but I can share that real quick. Uh, >> yeah. >> Um, and I'm trying to, you know, and so the for the male thing we need to use like bit bigger like like we're

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interestingly like you have to be uh like, you know, roughly 6 by9. This is like, you know, but something like this is even probably a little too much text, but you know, something here, you know, like and we'll maybe put an image behind it and stuff. um

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um you know, one page, you know, with some postage or whatever, but then contentwise. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, like >> well, we change you know, homeowners residence really in >> Yeah. Right. Yep.

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I'm just trying to keep stay away from any jargon, you know. So that's um >> Yep. >> Yeah. I guess the only m we maybe add a sentence here. It doesn't exactly convey that we're trying to find ways of giving

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you money to do this yet. Um, so, >> okay. Um, >> maybe it could be one more sentence in the in the big font at the top, like a final sentence that, um, we're we're

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looking at ways to be able to support, you know, the development of ADUs by residents, some something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um

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something like we understand needs for financial and technical assistance. Um >> well I mean I uh I I what I'm saying is we want is to share that there's something in it here that we're trying to find ways of helping you that that's

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why we're doing this. I wonder if it's somewhere up here. Isra to go back to the survey. Let's see. >> The the Ammeris Municipal Housing Trust would like to support the development of ADUs. Period. >> Yeah. I mean, what we have in the first

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paragraph of the survey is the trust is exploring ways to promote the development of ADUs to help increase the stock of affordable housing in our community. I don't know if that helps >> it. I mean, I agree with it. It's It's a little long, but I It gets the right

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idea, I think. >> Some of those Just pardon the weird graphical stuff here. Um, >> yeah. >> Well, well, I mean, you we kind of put you on the spot now. You Why don't you go kind of work on that? Can you um uh

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keep Maybe we can >> Yeah, I can that we feel good about by the next meeting to show >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. for sure. Yeah, it's been kind of a hectic couple weeks. >> Just maybe uh can can you find out a

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little bit about the logistics that matter here and then um and send us uh a link to the draft when when you uh want us to give you feedback. >> For sure. For sure. >> Okay. >> Um um yeah. And Gaston, did I send you notes on the call? I can't remember if I

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sent that. I hoping I did. >> On which call? uh uh the the um call for ideas. Uh >> uh yes. Um you you did and and um I'm afraid need Oh, wait. Don't we have a we we could do a we could schedule a

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session to just work on that if you guys are available to it. >> Um >> next week, >> next week. Uh >> I'm Yeah, next next week. Let's see. Um

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um I could do um I could do like Tuesday morning or >> Yeah, Tuesday is good. Um yeah, it's a little difficult for me on Tuesday. >> What what's uh what looks good for you,

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Bob? I I'm basically Monday and Tuesday I'm I'm pretty wide open and then Wednesday, Thursday it would be uh early afternoon. Um, Wednesday, Thursday afternoon works for me. If it's Monday, uh, Monday,

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um, Monday works like after 10 and Tuesday works after >> how about 10:30 a.m. on Monday. >> Can Greg? >> Um, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I guess um, uh, it's

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um, just do the works or I guess >> Yeah. Um, sure. If uh >> if you if you if you think we can do that, then let's let's do that. Uh uh but Zoom is also fine. >> Yeah. I mean, so I guess we can't post a meeting either way.

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>> It's we're too tight to post for Monday. >> Uh unless it's like after unless it's afternoon. Um so, um yeah. And and >> really, I mean, if you post right now, we'd just be off by an hour and a half. I mean, who's

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>> it's it's it goes through the clerk, so I it's so And it's kind of a um >> um Why don't uh we um uh uh >> then follow by email? Is that Is that okay? >> Say it again. >> Oh, can can I just follow follow up with

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you guys by email? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess um we can I'm happy to also try to do this asynchronous if we can each actually devote some time to it that way. >> Um Well, yeah. Why don't I um send what I what I I can send that right to Bob.

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Um uh >> send it to me again to get to the top of my inbox. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um >> All right. All right. Sounds good. >> We'll figure it out from there. But we could um potentially do like um you

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know, Wednesday or or Thursday at like two o'clock. >> Oh, yeah. >> Those times. >> Good. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Bye. Thank you everybody. Thanks. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Cheers. >> Cheers.