##VIDEO ID:tJps_6RbfIU## hope they vanished so it's recording don't say anything you don't want recorded sounds good Tracy were you in the waiting room no why because someone was in the waiting room and I had to start oh someone's still in the waiting room or George is in the waiting room oh we can let George in Andy doesn't want to Andy doesn't want to come in as a i you can let them both in as attendees as panelist uh Andy doesn't want to be a panelist he said all right here comes George okay but you're already recording Guilford and we didn't have a quorum yet I know because we couldn't I had to do that to let somebody in because it was blocking somebody so just don't say anything you don't want recorded okay well no one say anything oh now we now we have a quum Kim's here and everybody's here okay so welcome everybody uh this is the tag meeting it's January 9th we are joined by committee members myself Tracy Zan and does everybody committee members please weigh in just marus marus Smith Kim tremble uh Stefan CH all right great so we have a quorum and I know that uh Chris lindström was unable to attend tonight and Joe said he would try to make it but okay and um and I just emailed a few minutes ago sorry that was late but uh and George Ryan is joining us and his role as Le on to our committee for the council and he's also on Tso and Andy Steinberg TSO chair is an attendee um okay so we don't have anybody to comment so we can go ahead and give George the floor thank you George Tracy thank you um Tracy invited me to just give you a update on where um TSO stands both with the South East Street process and also I think you wanted an update on where we stand with the uh town the uh transportation and parking commission process which is potentially envisioned as a successor to Tac so I offered to come this evening at the start of the meeting and U give you a quick update and answer any questions that I could possibly answer um that you might have um before I start though I just want to repeat something that we said earlier today um it can't be said enough is that TSO very much appreciates the work that you do and uh the referrals that you uh give us your input on are really valued so um maybe it doesn't always seem like that but it's very much the case for my committee um so thank you all both for attending the meeting on the 12th and for the other U submission you've given to us over the the past year um they're valuable and appreciated um gilford's present tonight so he also may want to weigh in I'm just going to basically summarize what I took from the so TSO met today met with Paul met with Guilford and the most of the meeting was taken up with um the question of Southeast Street and how to proceed um given the meeting on the 12th and the reaction to it and I think it's fair to say that at least from Tso perspective and from I I think our reading of the meeting of the 12th was that no one is happy with the forr round about proposal and so that one um is something that we um and we communicated that and I think Paul and Gilford heard that so I think the the question they had for us was then how do you want us to proceed going forward and um do you want us to come back with an alternate proposal and um or do you so what do you want and it kind of came down to either an alternate proposal and if so what would be the components of that what in particular would you like um to be changed um or should we just stop and not do anything and uh just see how this plays out um what was made clear in the meeting was that um whatever changes take place to the Southeast Street streetcape um will not happen until after the school is open um and so that certainly not ideal but I don't see I think it was made pretty clear by Guilford that there's just no way that that um any of this could at least most if not any of this could be done um even if we accelerated the process the amount of time saved really would not have much of an impact so there's going to be a period when that school will be open and uh the streetscape will be the streetcape that currently exists there um so that was one thing that was that was made very clear so in the course of the discussion uh went back and forth for a while but the the committee finally um I should also say that uh the chair had put together a a summary of the December 12th meeting um a draft of it was it in on the table for us to look at and it will eventually go to the council um and in that draft document um the chair listed a series of possible options for going forward uh there was no prioritization of that it was just a list um and so in the course of the meeting the committee by consensus came to the decision that we would like a second proposal to come back to us um Guilford made it clear that that's going to cost a fair amount of money um that this would require CDM and expert uh input but that can't be avoided he also made it clear I think that he felt that that was probably a wise way to go the the other option as I said was simply to stop and let's just see how this plays out um and then uh you know revisit it at that point and Gilford pointed out that if you do follow that option which is an option um you're probably talking about seven years down the road before you finally make any sub substantive changes to that streetscape so that uh didn't carry the day and so what we asked uh Guilford to do and he can weigh in on this perhaps in more specifics but um basically we agreed that the common the South Common is not sacred that they can there can be takings from the common we would be open to that we'd like them to be as minimal as possible but we'd like to see a plan that shows what takings of the common would look like um that would facilitate um the best possible plan for that street um we asked that the number of roundabouts be reduced I think ideally to one um and that would be at the Northern end and there was the talk of the peanut round about but something like that we would like to be in The Proposal um and the third piece essentially has to do with uh how the rest of the street would be governed in terms of traffic lights in coordination with um the U uh College Street intersection and so those were the three key elements um my understanding and it's a bit fuzzy even though it only happened a few hours ago is that we did not get specific about what would happen at College Street um whether would be a signalized intersection um or not I think that was not quite as clear in my mind but the essence was that we'd like a second plan um and then and that plan would address um would reduce the number of roundabouts would show us what a taking of the commons would look like um and would give us the best possible option for going forward if we if we choose to do so so that's where it's at at the moment excuse me with Southeast Street um when that plan comes to us obviously we would come back to you and to daac and seek your input but at this point Point um that's that's where it's at I don't know if Gilford wants to add anything to that um maybe be a bit clearer in specifically what um he took from it but that was my understanding of what we asked him to do no that was very clear and I don't there any questions from the committee from you all about it but that's how that that played out okay so um I have a few questions one could we could could we clarify I mean this is a little bit outside of tax scope but is there funding currently to do um to do a reconstruction of this or even like a large scale like engineering design you know we've been told it what could be up to like $400,000 for that and I know that there had originally been some conversation about potentially using um extra funds that would be left over from the construction of the the school but then I'd also heard that that wasn't an option check we've never received any kind of formal update on that and so if George or Guilford have information on that that's just helpful I think a little bit to just frame it in terms of what what realistically would be the time frame if a project is going to go forward and even the design study Gord should speak to that so there's there's no funding identified for this project um there is a request in the capital plan for next year for half a million dollars um the half a million is for another some more conceptual work and then once the design is chosen for the final design um the way we're looking at it now is probably so we won't get approval for the funds until July of 25 so it'll be six months to a year to finalize the concept probably depending on how people how people AC accept it and then another six months to a year to finalize the construction plans and then construction um so you're looking at least 18 to two years out before construction can probably start so Guilford is there funding has it been determined if like the leftover funds from the school assuming the RS some could be used towards or would you need to seek additional funding as far as I know there's no funding identified at this time um Marcus do you have a question comment yeah sorry I I was just curious why the uh roundabout on College and Southeast Street got nexted CU that's the one intersection that could really do with it um it seems like you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot by just looking at the top end well I'm not speaking for myself and Gilford will will weigh in on his impression but I wouldn't say it was nixed um I just I think most of the conversation focused on the peanut Northern end but it was left um somewhat I felt somewhat open as to what they would recommend at the other end okay the Bane s well again Gil can say if that's what he thought he got from it but U the main ense was that four roundabouts is just way too many um we want the numbers shrunk um real the real challenge is at the Northern end but if they came back with a plan that showed two roundabouts instead of four um if they felt that was the best plan um that wouldn't is in my understanding of what we said today that wouldn't be in violation of our of our guidance all right good sorry way I'm sorry no yeah just the way you said it made it sound like you were ning you guys were nixing the well that's sort of a question I have in my head myself in spite of the fact that I was there and uh was done by consensus not by any vote there was no written statement okay do you have the sense that that or what did you get from that discussion I guess that's for me right yes you want you don't have you can just say well they weren't very clear so I it's not my fault um um I I kind of I kind of have feeling that some people think doing College Street is not absolutely necessary for the school to work properly so that might be cut off for the project but that intersection is going to back up into interfering with the school exit and entry so having a roundabout prevents that or drastically reduces that likelihood yeah correct but you really you really only have an hour to in the morning and hour to two hours in the afternoon that you have to live with that yeah no I agree with the time frames but it's just the the nightmare is going to cause so Marcus wait you're saying it's going to back up to fearing no no no no at the intersection Southeast Street oh right right right back up to the entry and exit points to the of the of the school they already that today right that bottom one is fine and it's half the traffic now we have twice the traffic plus everybody going in and out of there for UMass it's going to be interesting if you don't make that a roundabout yeah I agree I I also was talking a lot after um the meeting the official meeting with rert about his main concern really was and he did say that during the um during the meeting but you know his it was interesting because I would have thought the morning would have been the hardest time but he was suggesting that it was the um the afternoon when all 15 buses have to leave at the same time with parents rushing in and out of the school so I think that's something and and he was indicating to me that only two or three um they routed it so that only two or three have to go left out of the exit the rest you know are going to have to I mean are going to have to go right through the potentially the peanut which seems that for for me that seems like a great idea for that time of the day because otherwise you think about all of those buses stacked up it's going to you know that would I mean more than exceed entry to um the north um intersection 12 buses or whatever it is it's ridiculous um but I think you know I thought that was interesting I and that was his real main concern was the afternoon which is three what time is it I mean so that doesn't interfere with a lot of other you know shifts that you mass or whatever right but so Kim concern was was Rupert's like the 14 buses are they with the new school they're not currently okay right currently there's half that number right okay it's it's a ridiculous number if you think they all have to come out of that same they I wonder if they only two only two or three have to make a left turn right which is the that's good complicated turn yeah but I wonder actually if the number of buses might be reduced you know because for example like some of the Fort River programs do draw from across ammer I think he was really he he had like worked out the routes which is which was good that there were only two or three that had to go left he was very pleased with that because he knew that would be a real issue anyway I think that's something that and maybe we maybe we should have him back maybe he's done I don't know but maybe I feel like that's something we should really think about yeah I be I'm curious why there's only two or three given that you got amamos woods and then everything in South ammer they are going right South ammer also has Crocker Farm though Marcus yeah it does but there's not enough rooming Crocker anyway yeah yeah they're going out they're going right going to Main Street going right going into um Echo Hill and doing their coming down through okay yeah yeah yeah because that was something they had thought really apparently very about so and and rert won't be around for another for the next meeting yeah he said that he was ending right yeah yeah yep but he was very concerned about that part very very concerned and I think if I may interject one of the um I don't know weaknesses or one of the the areas of of ignorance is exactly that in our conversations on TSO we didn't have someone present like rert and the hope is that in going forward at least for the next proposal and any future discussion we will try to find make sure that we try to have somebody from the school present if not rert somebody like him who can provide actual real world uh you know insight to the realities there because we been doing this based on hearsay or just without any understanding at all and as you pointed out Kim he brings uh very real and concrete sense of what's what the reality is and what can and cannot be done and he's thinking about like he knows that that's a real and that they all have to leave at the same time which is I something I really didn't know yeah and now what is the time frame I mean So currently right the time frame is that the new school would open the fall of 2026 is that still the estimate and and what is the time frame for like for the affordable housing projects that are in that vicinity both on the old Southeast Street as well as the one on belr Town Road and are they drawing a lot of families or do we not know we don't we don't know um good questions and we need to get answers um I'm not aware of any definitive timeline at this time um and I don't know if they've even gotten to the stage of of yeah I mean is the route 9 one is that all approved now the belter toown road one or no okay it's still at least some of it I think is still before um plan DBA yeah all those must be in walking distance they are yeah I mean part of it I was just trying to think like particularly with the old Southeast Street like how the those people would access the um school you know if they were walking for example um so I so one thing that has come up I mean and people have asked me about too is like if um if there isn't any funding to do you know a re a major redesign at this time and I know that Gilford has requested the money to look at some do some engineering studies of what might what might be done but I mean will the town look at um making some smaller improvements in that vicinity like I know that the Fort River principales Administration have been concerned about safe reach to school access for Fort River for a while um and that some of that I think has been acerbated too like with the current construction there I mean you do have those flashing lights but has been pointed out right that they're not really um synchronized with the other intersections or anything like that but I'm given you know that the fact that these affordable housing projects will come online and things like is that something that maybe the town could look at to even just smaller improvements um there's so there's really nothing no small Improvement to make okay people have talked about making the traffic lights at the school entrance and exit work with the main street light okay we actually had that working at one time but then people were running the light and it wasn't it wasn't working as it should have been um Southeast Street would have the driveway to the school would if you're going north on Southeast you would have a red light on Southeast Street to let people out of the school make left and right turns but you had to have a green light at Main Street to clear out that small queue so you didn't back up into the school so drivers would see the I said this before I think a few times so you can stop me if you want me to but drivers would see the green light after the red light and would just drive through the red light um so that didn't yeah could you remove the traffic lights at Main Street and just REM you know drop the intersection or the traffic lights back to in front of the the school entry so move the control point you know back off the intersection we could possibly but we would still there's still enough room in there to get a car trapped in there so you either put the long delay in there to clear it out and hope no one pulls out of the of the the do lawyer's office in between so it would be a little harder yeah or how about even like improving like for people I know some people from um uh from Echo Hill and things they come in on pelum road and or they walk or bike on pelum road the kids do and then the you know when they can access the back entrance um into the Fort River Property the one that's like near Pickering whatever so like that path is not that well maintained and it doesn't have good lighting and I know for example during the winter it's not shoveled or anything like is that something that could be possibly improved because that would seem like longterm that that would be a connection that we'd want to improve there too so there there's no lights there they don't work the that this is all school property you're talking about okay it hasn't been maintained by the school and I mean there could be funds allocated for it but there are no funds allocated at this point there was talk about the walk between belch toown Road and the school that cuts through the new Housing Development but you would have to have the new Housing Development on board and then conservation would have to be on board W and then you'd have to have a bridge so yeah complicated so the school could always request like funds for that too for the pth through and they and they could run separately from the road work in the front on Southeast Street you um when you're kind of looking at your new plans and everything have you thought about I know this is moving that North school entrance to Main Street through the back end of the lawyer's office it's all just it's I mean it's scrub land right there's actually a wet there's a wetland to the east behind the nobody cares about those it's just a wet spot yeah well the school's a wet spot anyway so well one of the things that came up at the TSO meeting today and I think you said this George for or there I'm just remembering from the other meeting is like the possibility of cutting a little bit into the Southeast Street common right that there is some that the TSO was supportive of doing that if it needs to be done and wanted more um information about what that potentially would look like yeah we said to Guilford um you take what you think is there's going to be some push back the re push back I think on my committee to some extent from the sense that this is a very historic area um they they're beautiful trees there and it was made clear that if we are going to do some taking from the common you're going to lose uh a number of trees um and it's also a place where some people might feel that you know I'm not saying about the committee but on the committee itself I think there was some sensitivity to that as well but the consensus was clearly um is you can take from the common in order to achieve you know show us what a plan would look like um involving taking from the common um that would achieve the optimal traffic flow goals Etc um and then we would look at it um I think the bottom line here is that a fair amount of money is going to be spent a fair amount of time is going to be given um to creating a second plan and as we all know from experience there's no guarantee that that plan um will win uh approval either um but the sense was that it's worth making that effort rather than just letting it sit and just seeing what happens the next couple years so yeah so moving forward from this point uh George so will the TSO then be making a recommendation to the council about how to proceed and then I mean they wouldn't move forward with the engineering study right until the council has given its blessing on that uh and even as you brought up to like the potential mixed feelings about doing things on the Southeast Street common like it seemed like that would be something that that it would need to have like Council approval not just from TSO is that correct that's a very good question actually um I think my reading of this is that we don't need Council approval uh on the other hand just practically speaking if there was enormous resistance if if if a number of counselors said no you can't touch uh the South Common under any circumstances it would be important to know that um we are just speaking as a committee of five um but my reading of this is that um we don't need uh approval of the council for to go back to Guilford and say please give us a second version um the council hasn't even seen the first really well they've seen the first version that people are aware of the first version um and now also too right Gilford has requested um join you know joint Capital funds so until those are allocated like for the planning and Engineering work so until those are allocated right this is sort of on a standstill like will anything be happening between now in July or is it just waiting for that good question Gil Foria what are your thoughts just waiting for money so we should not expect a report I mean in the best of all possible worlds um a second plan you know if everything went you know right um When's the earliest TSO could even see a second plan it would not probably be until October November at the earliest wow okay good that's good to I didn't ask that question today um okay thank you um okay so George do you want to also update us on the parking commission CPC which is as we said is is the the proposed successor to Tech um we've been spending a fair amount of time on on scope um and we're moving about ready to move to discuss composition um but we've made good progress um and uh there's nothing definitive to to report but I can give you some sense of what it's looking like and where I think it's headed and [Music] um one concrete thing is we we're going to reach out to the Northampton uh city of Northampton they have a a a body very similar in form to what we're imagining and we're going to ask their um their Alex Jarrett who is I believe um he's word five counselor and um he can speak to that body I think we're also going to invite uh the chair of that body as well um so we still have uh some more discussing to do that could Impact scope document um but in essence what we're envisioning at least this committee at the moment is is leaning towards is a body that would have some absolute Authority and I can give you some examples um but uh in many areas would be uh advisory it would um do most of the heavy lifting but then it would it it it would then report back to the council with a recommendation and the council then would have the final say and I can give you some examples of how that might play out um but I if Paul was imagining and maybe Guilford as well a body that um basically just had complete Authority that whatever it was given all these areas and um it could make the decisions and that was that um the committee seems to be into a a different direction where it's it's a shared um issue so I can give you a couple of examples but uh if you want um of how I I I just have one comment I mean my understanding of the Northampton a transportation and parking commission is that it is largely advisory as well that is correct and that they do the heavy lifting and then they send it to the city council and the city council is the one that gives the approvals on that yeah so so we made that's I think the direction we're heading in um so but for some things for instance if you want a rapid flashing Beacon at same Memorial Drive which is what I in my district somebody has asked for that would go to this body and they would have a full say over that so I actually have a question about that example is um my understanding currently is that the rapid rectangular flashing beacons rfbs are considered signs and under the current uh Town Council policy on public ways like they the Town Council has delegated that authority to the town manager and it doesn't the rfbs Do Not typically come before the council for approval like if you look at the one on Amity and Lincoln and corre the ones on College Street and wherever they are right um so is that I hadn't thought that like that um that some of the authority that's currently with the town manager would be moving to this TPC but that but I haven't been pain you know I haven't been I you rais a point here that I'm GNA have to dig a little bit deeper I think um the document I'm working with doesn't have uh yeah if in fact which I'm sure you're right this falls under the category of signage um right now in the document the way I understand it it has to do with s permanent changes of the public way and that's really not where this Falls so that might not be a very good example if it's currently under the authority of the Town manager um I assume well then we have to look at it um it could either go stay with the town manager or I think he'd prefer to just have it handed over to the TPC but it would not well I mean I think engineering you know obviously DPW weighs in and like you know on that but okay well then that first example is problematic and I need to do some more homework oh sorry about that oh no that's why it's valuable um uh anyway again examples like that um the document's in the packet if anyone wants to take a look at it uh the draft is there it's been there now for a couple of weeks hasn't changed much um yeah could you send us a um I looked in the packet and I did not see that specifically so I think those specific examples you gave from the TSO meeting are very helpful and I would share those out with Tac um but I didn't see it in that version but I know there's always that public packet and then the like other packet this was there but that's all right I can send it I'll send it okay sure and um that might be the most useful way for to proceed for you all to look at it sure to make so so what do you see is um a time frame like potentially on this being like rolled out what I mean TSO being you know done with their piece of it or preliminary done with their piece of it and sending it forward to the council and then Council discussion and you know where it could go what do you optimistically where think March would be optimistic so in March you would think it could potentially go to the council in March that's a guess I mean we still have a meeting with Mr Jared and Company um I still have as you pointed out I have some refinements to make to the scope document and then we haven't really discussed composition at the moment I mean the Northampton body has 11 members on it um what I'm proposing or what's in the packet at the moment has five and there's also a question of whether counselors should be on this body in Northampton uh there are two counselors who sit on the this t on their BR Transportation Commission uh and that's an issue we're going to have to uh discuss at the moment the current version which is just my proposal has does not have counselor sitting on it it has three residents and uh representative from DPW and a representative from the uh police department and yeah yeah so if this does you know um you know optimistically go to the council in March like it could take a month or it seems like it could take a little while for like Council to consider it and po potentially send stuff back to TSO or like job I can kind of see a time frame that it could be like you know June or something at least right and I know that um it's in June when all of like people's terms are up on the TAC as well so um I mean because one thing I've heard is that um like we have a current vacancy you know on tact that we've had for now about 16 months and that we can't fill that vacancy because of this like imp you know the the fact that this could body could be created but if it's still going to be another six months before the body is created it would be really nice to fill that vacancy like we have some long-term members on the committee including Kim who I think started in 2017 or something and we would love to get some new members on teac some new energy some new expertise um and so on so I hope that we're not waiting that long on that um well I certainly hope that we we're trying to move it along as fast as possible no of course and but I I can't guarantee anything I would say optimistically sometime in March pessimistically maybe as late as June yeah and I know that I mean I know TSO will be making the decisions of this but you know I do like the mo the Northampton model you know when um the town manager was putting together his memo like he and I met a number of times and we reviewed what different Transportation commissions Transportation parking commissions have done all over the state and I think that's a good potential model for um ammer um and I am a little hesitant like I know that in some of the conversations I've heard with counselors is like counselors are talking about get giving up you know basically some of the things that they don't want to have to spend time on um including say poll hearings or some of the minor things related to parking or um I know that one counselor recently mentioned like the ammer college signs and things that those could all be things that could go under the transportation parking commission which I can understand I mean given how busy the council is and how busy TSO is not wanting to get bogged down and all those things but I would really be cautious I mean I would I would recommend caution to TSO and the council that if you only give this new body Authority and say even if it's advisory say on those types of matters it will be difficult to fill those spaces because those may not be of interest to potential members either so um I just I mean that's one thing you know I think about personally like if what how how would we recruit people not that we have to have a final say in a number of the items but like that this body should be given a substantive advisory role not just a cursory role and I think it's a really powerful body because it includes both residents as well as members from planning I mean hopefully planning and DPW and police and so on like that so you have the staff in the room with the um residents but not to just give us the pieces that the council would prefer they not have to deal with so yeah like like like um long-term plans like you know our exactly head plan that we developed we you know we try to do as democratically and openly as possible that are toward a common goal for all districts you know current districts it's like unifying them all so that's kind of what I've always thought of um this committee as it's not we're not based in a place or a particular segment of Amis we just interested in in a network you know that's that's um accessible throughout town you know and because I feel like that's really that that kind of stuff gets us all really excited and interested you know and it and it's good for the town so I you know I will get this to you and I think you all should look at it I think you will this is a draft so you can change but it has been the direction we've been going in and I think we're fairly close to uh reaching a conclusion uh on it and I think there's fairly substantive areas for this body to weigh in on um but in some of them they're advisory like the Northampton model and in some you actually would have complete Authority um but this the more the larger scale ones permanent changes especially major changes like what's happening at Southeast that would be something that eventually the council would want to vote on but this body would be doing most of the heavy lifting and would make the recommendation and uh so it would still have a lot to do and a very substantive nature but in in some cases it would be advisory in some cases it would be definitive all know that makes sense and I guess I mean one thing for TS to think about too is how it how this body would connect with Tso and with the council like right currently sometimes things come to the council matters regarding public way to come the council and they get referred to TSO and from TSO they get referred to Tac and then they go back to TSO and then they go back to the council and it's a very long process so whether there would be items that just wouldn't be under like Tso's perview like would things go directly from the council to this body and then from this body back to to the council or would know how many steps are there we're trying to keep them down but so no of course yeah you could imagine that you went through the long process say with Southeast Street and then you made a recommendation to the council and then the council had a whole host of concerns and objections um it would get sent either back to this new body or more likely get sent to TSO for TSO to do the things that the counselors want done and then it would come back right so that I think is unavoidable in in a situation where you have an advisory body I mean I it's not I mean I haven't looked closely but I don't believe that Northampton for example has so many like Council committees that are like playing the substantive role you know so okay our discussion with Jared that would be something that we might we might learn something and get some ideas but at the moment it's that's the way it's looking all right thanks George and you're welcome to come to Tech anytime you as our on a betterly is one but I will read the minutes that's for sure anyway thank you all thank you yeah okay so let's see so next on our agenda um I mean those are the main items I'd wanted to cover um next on our agenda was just the implementation of the 25 M per hour statutory speed limits I kind of was hoping that um George stick around a little but um not that he's involved in the implementation but um I know Guilford I've seen the signs up now around like the entrance to town for the sagittary speed limit um are they all up now is that right G this sundland Road 25 there's a few that still need to go up but most of them the majority are up would sun and road be 25 I don't think that would apply Marcus it does cuz it's the only speed limit that they've posted so you turn off 116 onto sundland Road okay and you met with the you know 25 miles hour and less stated and there ain't no stating until you hit like some uh somewhere by the survival center or something well yeah sure that could be 25 but 25 all the way into okay I'm gonna I think some cases too there's like missing side right that doesn't mean that they're not actually the higher level so this is um I shared a link to it and we also talked about it the last meeting um like this is the one that Gilford you said that um Jason had gone through and like mapped all the ones that were statutory speed limits which are most of the major roadways so like if we go up on Sunderland Road that yellow portion right there right so it says here like that this is 40 40 yeah Ian off 116 it's 40 yeah right it should be it used to be right okay it used to be that but it is right now signed as 25 well there's there's no there's no 40 m hour sign there is what that's what he's saying right right yeah yeah because it says 25 and less otherwise stated and there is no otherwise stated yeah so Gilford has the town looked at um where there are missing signs and so we're Mak we're making a list we're just we're making a list you're just taking it twice well there's there's really only one place to take money for all this stuff the the budget doesn't cover wholesale sign Replacements or installation just onesies tues so when you have a whole group you have to get a list together then spunds so I wish it was the other way around but it's not anymore well I guess so if you're not posting so how does this work I guess there's also question for the police right if it's not posted at anything but this the 25 at the entrance then I guess the 25 is applying so maybe we shouldn't be in a hurry to like put up that 40 mile per hour sign or like but unless you ticket somebody who always challenges so yeah and I mean the I mean because you know in some of the a lot of the residential areas are 25 by default they're the satutory speed limit um so have we have we heard I mean Gilford have you heard anything more about the enforcement like IID heard that the town sent out the notices that there was going to be like PR campaigns and Outreach to let people know about the 25 and my understanding is the police doing it so oh okay we would just have to get uh one of the one of the police officers either C either Chief teting or one of the new captains come in and talk about it yeah that would be great I mean I had um mentioned that I know that TSO had express some interest in speed management too I didn't know whether is that something we can do where we can invite Chief ting to our meeting or should you ask should he come should he come to TSO too or but Ian that's up to them maybe I I one of the things that's going to be happening too with the council committees right is that um there's an election for a new council president at the Monday council meeting coming up and then there will be some reorganization of which counselors are on which Council committee so it could be a little while um so I wasn't really sure that if I could go ahead and make an offer to a chief tting but I'll do that and he's been pretty supportive on speed things and it would be great to hear from him about how that enforcement's going to go um and it also seemed too just in terms of like we do also have like the safety speed zone now on Henry Street and you're going to be putting in the school you know the other school zone signs and so on so it'd be great to hear how much enforcement is possible or being done and they did have I mean I put this on the agenda too just like I know that the amers PD did have a grant relating to uh people having to yield drivers having to yield at crosswalk so maybe that would be a great opportunity for chief ting to also report back to us on how that went because I know I mean I have Impressions from when I first moved to ammer that on the downtown crossbox that they would the police would pull people over often and I don't know whether they were tiing any at that time or they were just giving warnings but they would be telling people basically that you need to yield to pedestrians and um it was very powerful to see that when I first came to town because they were there like often so okay never seen them downtown when I came to ammer that's what I the um the one at strong and he Pleasant yeah but that's do that a few times no but the one near it's right downtown like near the firehouse and stuff I used to see that there a lot yeah I've never seen I I'm just saying never seen okay yeah yeah so like that hasn't happened I don't think that's happened in a long time i' all right maybe I've been in ammer too long I don't know okay all right well I'll reach out to Chief tting that's a great idea um so the the I just wanted to get some updates on these I know that these are things the committee is interested into about the roundabout at Amon and university has the council already approved it or is it still pending Gilford and council's approved it oh they have okay we're waiting for the contract from the state which we got some information today on but we're working on that okay so that project would proceed then in the spring is that going to be on the we probably will not get started until late summer okay there is some other work that may start before the roundabout work starts in the same area or different part of ammer right on top of it yeah right okay so because you know I I I recently got word I mean graduation and move out are all happening at the same time it's going to be awful they move graduation up um no they just it's not grad they have I mean over the last couple years but move out and graduation are occurring concurrently like it's it's going to be crazy so right so normally right most of the undergrads except the seniors move out earlier but you're saying it's all compressed into the same no I exams go until the end until grad when gradu occurring so the undergrads are leaving at the same time at the gra the graduates get to stay until graduation is over but the rest of the students are leaving on the same at the same time as parents and people are infiltrating to come to graduation got it gonna be nuts G be great um Tracy there's a question from uh from in the Q&A someone's asking about this meeting yeah this is today's meeting is just a Tac meeting um the previous meeting we had was that two weeks ago when was the last meeting we had with TSO was that two weeks ago yeah hi sarin um and we're you know we could even let fine yeah that's fine yeah that that meeting that I think you're thinking about sarin was two weeks ago she's not in yet there she is hi sarin sarin can you hear us you're um you're m m SAR you're trying to talk okay I'm sorry uh um the meeting you're talking about is the one was the one between Tso and Tech and DAC and then I marked my calendar that there was a follow-up meeting that was going to be uh tonight at 5 o'l so I sent a email to Pamela to see what's going on and I haven't heard anything oh she said you know TSO had a meeting at noon time and I she was not she was made aware a little late and she missed that meeting so but she said t is meeting this afternoon so that's how I joined but I just okay thank you for joining um yeah so TSO did meet this morning so TSO meets on Thursdays and they meet from 10: to 1200 usually and they met this morning and they were talking about Southeast Street um and other things as well and so I think that as you heard because you've been here like since our Tac meeting started that um so George Ryan who's the assistant chair of TSO gave an update of how that meeting went right so we don't we didn't have anything more specific with uh the disability access advisory committee on our agenda for on tax agenda for tonight so maybe that's what we should do is invite him to our next meeting this Tuesday so he can give us an update on their findings too because we find lots of problems with that intersection are you talking about Southeast Street or about The Amity one oh right of course connection to Amity I mean Southeast no Southeast connection to Main Street right the four rounda bus which they proposed and we find find it very unsafe for people with visual impairments and we're also supporting very strongly bike lanes for students that might come and uh so it seems like we don't want to be left out from the discussion I don't know if that will make any difference or not but I just wanted to let you know that I was thank you I mean as George Ryan was saying at this meeting right that there that um and as Gilford has said as well well that there won't be like there could that there will probably be well DPW has asked for additional funding to do additional studies so nothing is moving forward at this point except for to frame what additional studies would be done and they are waiting on the funding to do those additional studies so um but it I mean I attended the TSO meeting this morning and there was quite a bit of discussion about the concerns that the disability access advisory committee had raised so oh the the TSO members are aware of your concerns well um I don't know if all D any daac members were made aware of that meeting so but maybe they were it was it was a meeting just of the TSO like they were debriefing from the meeting that was in December I see okay all right well thank you so much thank you bye bye bye okay thanks Marcus okay no problem I didn't know that we had a Q&A function so it was like I was kind of curious what was popping up so well you typically have Q&A when you do webinars but I'm not used to looking at them in meeting I just normally get the chat and then it's like don't have chat right so we don't have chat yeah yeah okay so it sounds like the earliest that Gilford what you were saying is the earli that the roundabout project would proceed would be um I mean Amity and University Drive would be late summer so yes and what and what is the other work that might be going on in that area uh as a water line we need to upgrade okay so the water line or will probably start in the spring go through graduation because that's what we like to do that's great really you're just you're just out there causing TR you know Gilford you know that the state paused right on some of its work like you know belter Town Road and things like overg graduation so well you know my my main concern about graduation really are like every time that they we get a warning for from the schools that buses might be late kids might not get to school on time because it's a freaking Friday that this is happening it's ridiculous used to be Saturday I remember yeah but yeah yeah it used to be Saturday but then the grad students were on Sunday and I think that cut into people's weekend a bit so a lot of grad student stuff was on Friday that's what I remember and uh undergrads were on Saturday but it's all just ridiculous the schedule it's a lot of people yeah and and it s yeah that the faculty is going so close to after finals so okay so Guilford is the um the water work that has to be done is that on University Drive itself or actually on Amity Street it goes okay it goes from well you know have you ever noticed there's a little BL little concrete pad off to the right on am Street as you're driving into Hadley across from the Hang old hanger yes yeah oh that's that's basically the end of the water line and that's where the water goes in the campus at that side of Campus so we go from there it's about 12200 ft of so it's up to is Blue Hills first or Dana I can't remember now um well first of all you have Charles right yeah this Blue Hills or Dana is where it goes and then it goes well Blue Hills Blue Hills is farther down the hill and then Dana yeah so it was from Blue Hills all the way to that little concrete pad does that mean Blue Hills gets new water lines too no no Dana is the one that gets it after that this Dana's in the que Dana gets water lines by head of Blue Hills yeah because our water doesn't have enough like infiltration and isn't Brown enough for the okay all right not iron enough do you guys um talk to um UMass you should let them know that this is going to be happening then because really we know we'll tell them it'll all get all and we do shut down we do shut down for graduation we just like to go all the way up to the Limit and make people get worried okay okay yeah because it's just getting kids out I mean I'm just really worried this year it's going to be a mess well if it if it goes the way if it goes the way we think it'll go they'll probably be all the way out of there and up on Amity Street and the intersection at University Drive will be clear so okay yeah well also right sometimes Hadley or whoever it is who's ever making those decisions they close down like some of Rocky Hill and things too to make sure that people aren't cutting through yeah right so okay all right people Hadley don't appreciate that but it's okay you're a Hadley person aren you yeah used to be on the select board you have to go around the long way it's kind of it's kind of a pain annoying so nightmare so Guilford what is the final what was the final resolution in terms with the council in terms of giving you additional DPW additional funny for sidewalk and roads in this budget that did go through no uh so in this year's budget that has not gone through yet so that is an they are going to hold the hearing um on Monday I can bring it up again on Monday they're holding the hearing okay and then they'll vote to do for it okay yes and now you had said that you don't have much or any budget left for those like road signs road signs sidewalks any of the things left right in the FY 25 budget or do you uh we're we're we're already getting it's tight but it's tight so no there's not much money hanging around so and but there is money right to put up the um the school zone signs and things right that's oh that's the next item one of the next hope so wasn't that a different pot of money that a different part of money that came from jcpc uh yes that one that money is there in jcpc we're just bidding we're bidding that right now so okay we'll have a new bid shortly so so what is the if you do get additional money what is what are there priorities or what the priorities have not been put together yet okay and you get a lot of requests I guess in the spring to fill the potholes and things you get requests all the time beler Town's been doing the most requesting lately beler Town yeah their cuts are kind of a mess so they're kind of like wanting us to patch their cut throughs the town or people in the town they want the town to patch you know West Bay Road because it's interrupting their Drive oh yeah their residents can pound sound this is recorded remember I know it is that's the point we're not elected officials yeah exactly we're good to go yeah okay um so I did have just a final question about them the the school zone signs so are the ones that are going to be put in are they going to be the ones that going to say like when flashing like school zones are in effect when flashing or is that still to be decided um the school is not giving us hours they want the signs to be activated oh you hav signs say the school zone is when flashing so okay if we don't get any guidance we'll just go with the one the we haven't got any guidance okay well I know Chris has been in touch and I mean as you we've noted like rert is leaving and things but um it would be good to uh get a little bit of input I think I mean the thing I think about is I know like for example at the high school and I think the middle school too right that students are getting free lunch um but the free lunch period is before um before like the start of school like at the at the elementary school it sounds like they actually give out the free lunch in the classroom in the beginning first period you know the beginning of school day yeah the free breakfast yeah oh so free breakfast right but at the high school it's like before school so yeah one thing that my kid has seen is like if some of the school buses are running really late and that they are arriving school like while the Bell is going in then they don't get the breakfast oh no and now that my kid is like six foot one and wants to like eat as many calories as possible he wants that breakfast yeah and not to be tardy so um anyway like second breakfast for him right second or third he needs as many breakfasts as he can get he's not that uh he's quite H he's quite skinny so um so that was one thing I just wanted to make sure I mean um you know if you don't get guidance on that we could provide some suggestions or anything but and do you think at some point too I mean it would be great if the town could also look at some of the other school zones too or even the school zone times we've asked them we've asked them to do all of them so right okay okay but even to the location of the other school designs like I know there's been concerns at Crocker farm that the the flashing lights are like so close to the driveway that there's very little on West Street that there's very little time for like drivers to respond like if they can get backed up or anything I know all that costs money and everything but okay how many how many new drivers down drive down West Street every day how many new drivers yeah oh Lots that's just my PL that's my plug most people who Drive West Street during school hours or come drive down it every day or every work day which one is West Street West Street is like 116 going south oh south of GRA Park yeah oh right okay and is it West Street all the way down to like the notch is that all West Street G all the way Notch yeah to the town line so you got like Hampshire college students yeah you got some people anyway okay um all right why didn't get any meeting uh minutes from Amber and um I guess we can set our next meeting uh good we can end on time or maybe a little early which would be awesome um Stefan do you have anything you wanted any anybody have any other comments they want to make any concerns no I not at this time okay thanks anybody else no great thank you so I do I have a comment myself so I've one thing is I I have some concerns just about belter Town Road like that I mean it looks great where the new striping is in and things and right the new crosswalk a Colonial Village it does have the rfbs rfbs now I think um but the bike lane if when you're going out of town I guess that's the one I noticed the most but the bike lane there that was created it just ends and there's no kind of signage ends I know that that was one of my concerns initially that when we have these short segments that a bike is in the bike lane and then boom it's gone and there's no signage relating to the merging into like the main traffic lane and it's it's never felt like totally safe to me and um but if we could have some signage that would be great actually I have a question for you so along those lines I was just driving down there to the dump today you had some um transfer station sorry sorry uh my my English family was horrified that I actually have to pay to go to the transfer station because it's free in the UK so um sorry an but you I mean it's like a bloody ski slope it's like up and down and up and down on the new section I mean I know there's a slight bump on the on the um uh the crosswalk but at the junction with the old stuff with the old where the new road ends and the you know right before then on the new road It's like got a bit of a hump in there too and you had some surveyors out there doing some stuff today looking at it is there a reason for it being like a you know a ride in the the country or um it's really flat it's really flat there and we was having puddling water so we were trying to just make sure the water gets to the catch basins yeah okay but what can we add some signs though like what these emergy places they're not done with everything out there they stop okay okay no I understand stuff going out there that's all great good that's good when when is it going to start up again um it'll hopefully it'll start back up in well it depends if March is really snowy which is we're hoping um it'll start like mid mid April or so oh okay is there a particular reason why you're hoping that March is snowy or um we haven't we haven't had a good snowall at all no I know yeah we want to get out of the we want to get out of the drought conditions we're in now so need snow good snow back and and my daughter on the Nordic ski team it would be great if we could have a onome meet and can I tell you that she came in second overall inw first race nice we we need to have snow yeah we we are in a severe drought right now yeah so yeah and for four years on the team we've never had a home meet which happens at the um at yeah I've never heard of have there ever been Meats at Cherry Hill and they regularly have had practice there before there been people after snow Mach it's too warm to yeah well also too unfortunately like like Amish Nordic like the organization like shut down because they didn't have any volunteers yeah because they they haven't had any it hasn't been like there were two days last year that they were open you know it's it's really sad but you know now there's a whole cold stretch you know wasn't it DPW and like wreck and Parks they put out like the ice skating rink at Kendrick last year that's awesome yeah you that again I don't know it's cold enough it's been cold enough it's been like a great year so far in terms of the cold it has it has compared to normal but well I know that my family we gave up our stuff and we said hey oh you gave gave it to the town oh come on Town well maybe you can help out I mean puffers puffers is good um oh yeah you know there's plenty of ice down there right now the old Old Farm Road has yeah when with Farms or whatever oh Nordic team's um uh workout today was at Leverett Pond nice ice sking they they went on the ice at Leverett I hav't been I was wondering because it was been so windy that I wondered if it had managed to lock up but yeah it's windy they they measured the thickness and it was all good excellent excellent yeah okay there's free skating at the Mullen Center Saturday night after the hockey game oh cool there is oh but what time is the hockey game though six it's an early one early yeah oh okay good to know yeah Saturday 6 nice all right so I guess gu we can keep our meetings like if we want to well are we going to have anything to I guess we could make a meeting for late January like if TSO gets back to us with anything yeah why not and so I don't know Marcus do you now have your other meetings also on Thursdays I have no clue I kind of like every other week right I thought well I thought so but we haven't had I thought there was going to be one today but there isn't so I don't know oh okay yeah so I I I uh yeah whatever why don't we put in what guys want to put in the 23rd we have to talk about okay and I'll see if um Chief Ting is available then does that work for you how about the 30th that 30th the 30th I can't do the 30th I'm out of town oh we can do the 23rd I'll have someone else fill in okay great maybe Jason we love Jason when you can't be here we love you but when you're I'm trying to you know say try oh that was no both of them come on Jason has a different you know he can tell us more about the road stuff some of it gford right don't retire too soon it's coming soon retirement's coming so no all right so all right 23rd it is I'll just double check with other people that they and does that work for you too yeah 23rd is fine okay great all right awesome thank you guys have a good night everyone thank you go bye