--------- call the August 6th city council meeting order. Commissioner Smith, you give us the prayer pledge and fact of the day, please sir. Our father God, we thank you now for another opportunity to be servants in this city. We ask of heavenly father for your
blessings that you will bless all those that are here today. Bless God our endeavors to be good servants of the resources you given us for this city. We pray in our son Jesus name. Amen. Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Fact of the day. On August the 7th in 1782 in Newberg, New York, General George Washington, the commanding chief
of the Continental Army, creates a badge of military marriage, a decoration consisting of a purple heart-shaped piece of silk edged with a narrow binding of silver with the word merit stitched across the face in silver. It will come to be widely known as the
purple heart. The Order of the Purple Heart, the oldest American military decoration for military merit, is awarded to members of the US armed forces who have been killed or wounded in action against an enemy. It's also awarded to soldiers who have suffered
mal treatment as prisoners of war back. All right, read the quorum statement. Welcome to the public meeting of the city council of the city of Aaka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent. The city council permits and encourages input and comments by members of the public on all matters which may
come before the council for action. If you wish to address the council this afternoon, please make sure you have filled out a card with your contact information and have presented it to the clerk. When called upon, please proceed to the podium and speak clearly into the microphone, stating your name, address of record, organization if any, and
direct your comments to the city council and not to individual commissioners, staff, or members of the public. The council and the city staff encourages constructive criticism. However, personal attacks are prohibited. Please observe general rules of decorum and civility. Speakers and members of the audience shall refrain from rude
derogatory remarks, shouting disruptions, reflections as to integrity, slander, abusive comments, profanity, vulgarities, and statements as to personalities. Any violation of these provisions may result in the issuance of verbal warning, including warning for trespass. If violations
persist after such warnings, violators may be removed from the council chambers. Okay, with that public comment, Susan. Okay, we have honey bee. Greetings. We've had a lot of heat out here in this
city and wherever we have asphalt, concrete buildings, we don't have canopy and we could we could have rooftop gardens, etc. Uh but we need plants around these buildings
and the more we approve um 10% um green spaces in developments, the less we have canopy and this is killing our city. Um if you look in Orlando, they have
some areas that are 7% canopy. There should be 80% canopy because trees reach out and touch each other. Even if there's a building below it,
this cools the city. This cools tempers. And we know that when people get psychologically impaired during the summer and teenagers actually have that are normally very healthy minded and psychologically
normal that during a heat spell they can actually get mental damage and there's some good research out on that that I've shared online and it's because of the heat the heat affecting their um hormones and it happens to
adults too, but if they get it too much in their youth, it can be permanent. And uh I'm sure the the police have experienced this. Um next, I'd talk like to talk about open container. Um I think we've experienced some things that
people have warned about and I've shared is what happens when we have uh events in the city that are not controllable. and um the um open container
if you'd wait till on that that I'm I'm too ill to wait for that. I'm not going to be here during that time. So, I'm going to go ahead and talk about it. No, this is that's under number ordinance number 3114. I can't wait for that, sir. I'm not going to be able to be here.
That's not that's not the way this works. So, if if it's Okay. So I call for ADA and ADA says that I don't have to be here during that time that you can't force me to stay and you're using up my time right now. Um
open container um did not work and we did not have enough police force to do what needed to be done. And then I'm also concerned about South Apopka not being annexed and the fact that you're not going forward as a council and
getting South Aopka annexed. So there's a lot of issues that we're putting um on the back burner and not taken care of. and my blood pressure has just gone up because um my disability was not considered here and uh my mayor has
compromised my health today because he is too um inconsiderate of all consumers. Well, you took up my time and so I have more time. Um we need to consider the impact of
health. Um, we have a citizen who likes to drink, who drinks, and she took her husband and uh went out on a night about uh four or five months ago into the Fifth Street District and a man and his
wife and child came into the district drinking. And they arrived and the man was drunk from work and he went to drink some more at one of the establishments and he left and he got in the vehicle
and drove away drunk. There were officers there. He drove away drunk and almost hit her husband who is has um a stroke and is not an adult anymore mentally and nearly killed her husband.
She had to tackle him to get him out of the way. And this was before the event issue. Rod Olsen, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Please join me in a brief prayer. Lord, as we enter this chamber, let us remember to leave our personal conflicts
at the door. Local government must welcome direct participation. It embodies the concept of we the people because it reflects democracy and action. As citizens of Apakka, we must remain open to various viewpoints and recognize the rights of all individuals.
Everyone has a voice and deserves to be heard. Whether loud or quiet, all voices, regardless of eloquence, should be welcome, considered equally with dignity and respect. Considering different perspectives and evaluating existing assumptions contributes to the
effective group decisionmaking process. In his name we pray. Amen. I'd like to comment on station six. Uh it's going to be opening this Friday. What an awesome awesome time it's going to be to have that service available and
great dwelling place for our firefighters. Uh mayor and commissioners, when you wake up and realize that you work for us, not the developers. Paluchi Acres. Yet another development the city is processing without the infrastructure in place to
adequately take care of our current residents, much less the 1100 new units, 3600 people, 400 school age children, and 2200 vehicles. You need to look no further than my trip yesterday on or day before yesterday on Welch Road. It took
me 10 minutes to get from Golden Gem over to Golden Gym, excuse me, Kelly Park in order to get from point A at at uh I'll think of the road anyway. But to hit the park, it's less than a mile and it citizens, if you want
to get out in front of Unbridled Growth, you must engage as early and once cuz once it hits the chamber, it's a rubber stamp. Our lack of planning and infrastructure is exemplified by my Monday 10-minute commute. There it is. The less than a mile stretch from Welch
Thompson to Rock Springs. Developers build, sell, make their money, and bail. Current citizens are left with the follow. lack of roads, sidewalks, water, sewer, reclaimed water pressure, and overcrowded schools. When will you wake up and smell what
you're approving? Proper planning begins with proper budget. Historical data at your fingertips provides for a realistic, verifiable, well doumented, dependable budget and successful guide for good business decisions. You have yet to demand finance finance to provide
you with a five-year sidebyside budget comparison to create an accurate 20 to 25 26 budget. You make the budget adjustments at every city council meeting due to your failure to budget effectively on the front end. It does not go unnoticed that two of our
commissioners walk in last second before the meeting starts and are you don't get in way between them and the door when it goes out and two of our commissioners are here early stay late to engage citizens. You work for us, not developers. Never done this before.
help you. First, what I'm asking for would be the support of the committee to all I'm asking for here is the support of the committee to create a team to assess the feasibility of an all-weather
track football soccer stadium, preferably at the Northwest Training Center. Just just I you have me for free. I'm a federal project manager, contracting officers representative. I I so I mean I'm just it's a if you're aware of what an independent planning
board is, you'd have So I would love to get you um do market analysis. I'm stumbling and not reading what I was supposed to. I'd love to do market analysis. Um Mount Dora is in the process of upgrading their football field and track. We could easily get that contractor over here to give us a a
site survey with the permission of the board and use of city letterhead. Okay, let me read this now. Okay, this proposal is to convene meetings to assess the feasibility of constructing an all-weather track, football, soccer stadium, Northwest training center site.
I would be happy to volunteer my time in participating conference calls going forward to discuss the possibility of pursuing a recreational capital improvement for the city of Apakka. I offer my advice as project manager and athletic supporter. Consider the positive effects if this project was
followed through to successful completion. M most important to us is that this facility would provide access to multi-purpose training facilities for the public. Currently, youth open masters seniors athletes have no suitable athletic training facilities to
train at. The current ball fields and single field with and one bleacher at the northwest training center hardly meets the needs of the city of Apaka or its residents. If completed, the stadium could provide facilities suitable for USA track and field meets, state
championship football, track and field soccer, and hosting capabilities. One of our high schools might not necessarily be in the championship meet or final, but it would bring recognition and revenue to the city. Track meets, football games, and soccer tournaments
require restaurants, hotels, and additional tourism support facilities. All of these generate taxes and revenue for the city. Think about the opportunities of having private coaches paying the city for permits to train groups of children and adults in the mechanics of running and jumping. After
all, isn't it? Every sport based on the athletes overall athletic capabilities. This field could help the city produce division one athletic scholarship winners. This will attract wealthy home buyers and provide a much needed support fin for financially disadvantaged
children. in time we could turn out SEC ACC champions as well as professional athletes all of whom would have started their training in this new stadium. Yeah. I like as I think that's like like I said I asked for permission that you
guys do a pre-planning team you know that could meet remotely and I I volunteer to do some market analysis um which is what I do for the federal government. I I buy laptops and IT equipment. I used to be a systems administrator. Thank you.
All right. I I'll shut up. It's just a really good idea. So So if you've got um I thought Cindy, where's the birthday girl? She's in the back in the blue. If you get her card, she she's she's runs our our athletic program out there. So if you get give
her your card, uh then she y'all can discuss. Got it. First time I saw you, Mr. Mayor, you got up on stage and talked about the 13 million you took in from the uh hotel tax. Yes. Well, stadium is only maybe, you know,
do it in phases. You know, we got the money. Think about all the millionaires. Thank you very much. Leroy Bell, Chief McKinley, Nephew, Tommy Lee Jackson,
Alice Turner, Jason Friend, Johnny Tyler Jr. I have been for a year or so asking to show the video how the police officers mistreated this young man down at
Griffin store. Won't nobody show the tape because two of the commissioners said everything was all right. But here a couple of weeks ago, a handicapped man, 75 years old,
was battered and pulled out the back of a handicap band over the ramp, pent down on the ground, not trailing, not fighting back with his leg twisted up and bent up.
Make that make sense. I told a couple of you commissioners that the blood was going to be on your hands and the patrol officer that in charge of these police officer I think it's
officer king over there he need to be fired. You need to you need to keep your Well, what you need to do is this. You need to stop beating up citizens in Apaka. Let me finish. It make no sense.
I I support police officers doing their job, not being the judge, jury, and executioner. And it seems to be at angle, but one way that we going to change this culture is to change it during the election.
So, Commissioner, you need to you keep it to the council. Well, I'm I'm saying commissioner, I'm if I told you it was a good job, then you would want you would want to hear that. But what I would like to say is we got an election to come up coming up and
we don't want you to disenfranchise people from voting. We need two weeks of early voting. We need voting from 7 to 7 in the early voting. We don't need you to taint the
vote to keep the people from voting. Out of 61,000 people, only 8,000 people voted. Let the people vote, especially the one that look like me so they can get the representation that
they need and they that they deserve for their tax money. They don't deserve a police department that's beating on people. And when people complain and send letters, we got commissioners calling them cowards.
The only coward I see is sitting before me, Nikki Maguire. Good afternoon, Nikki Magcguire, Naomi Kids Apakka. I apologize in advance if I miss anyone who contributed to our 2025 summer mentoring camp program. Each
prayer, each dollar, each minute, each word of encouragement are all valuable pieces in completing our 2025 summer puzzle. Remember, Naomi stands for never alone, overcoming many issues. We do it better together. This summer, we
enrolled 37 kids with an average daily attendance of 23 kids. Paid four core staff members welcomed four junior counselors that passed camp kids who are now in high school and returns as volunteers to assist with snacks and
other other duties with the exception of in charge of kids. We gave internships to 11 local youth through our partnership with Career Source of Central Florida. Five of those interns were kept on to earn community service
hours for their bright future scholarship based on their outstanding work ethics, leadership skills, and overall performances. Each CAM kid in regular attendance graduated at at an academic standard at or above the grade
level they're going to, including a four-year-old who can now read full sentences. 37 kids should have generated $29,600 based on $85 per week per child for nine weeks and $35 onetime registration fee.
However, we only collected $12,349 from parents. Yet, we were able to still go above and beyond for all the families due to the generosity of the following in each category. our first annual back to school clothes shopping at Ross where
we were able to take 18 kids clothes shopping with their parent or guardian total spent was $1,899.76. So Ross as our host and donor especially the manager Daniel Vice Mayor Dian for her donation and her presence pastor S.
Brian for donation and Central Florida Soccer Club for their donation. We have been given book bags filled with school supplies from 2015. This year made our second annual partnership with Chase Bank. 400 bags were packed and 30
specifically went to Naomi Kids Camp Kids. Thank you to Chase for the book bags and some supplies. Walmart for donating 523 additional notebooks. Deput Chief Dr. to Quinn Harry, Captain Kennedy, Captain King, and Sergeant
Creaser for helping me with distributing. Last Saturday, we took the kids on five educational and fun field trips. Thanks to Cooperative Martial Arts for partnering and planning and participation, our 11th annual field day was a huge success. Thanks to Snowy,
Funson Sun Party Rentals, and a APD Sergeant Creer. The following were that's balas finally. The following were general donors towards summer 25. They gave money, snacks, and our time as guest speakers. So, Walmart, Sam's Club,
State Farm, Sharon Diego, H Family, Flat Rate Solutions Commissioner Neester Smith and Vice Mayor Reimagine Community, Advent Health for Kids, Mission Fit Possible, Baptist Dental, Inside Federal Credit Union, Avenonditioning Birds of Prey, All
Season, School of Etica, Wawa Foundation, Publix, Miss Spencer, Mr. Harris, Miss Kelly, um all of Apopka PD, all of um Apakka Fire Department and Apakka Museum. And this year, our VIP for the year is Vice
Mayor Diane. Thank you everyone. Sylvester before I get started, we talked about the corn and I would just like to say to the panel be the same way when everybody come up here. If you got three minutes, you
stopped that three minutes. We just had a a display of how when you agree with something, you shut them off. You you let them go on and talk. When you don't agree with something, you shut them off real quick. You just did a demonstration. So, thank you for that decorum that you read every day, every
meeting. You sit there and you read it and you don't apply it to yourself. To everyone that's listening, everyone that can hear my voice, the city of Apakka, the state of Florida, and our country, the great United States of America, we're in a
national crisis. Too many good people are witnessing bad things happening and not doing anything about it. Not speaking up. You just sit by and you remain silent. One day that will catch up with us with
us all. It's time to speak up against hate. It's time to speak up against corruption. It's time to speak up against racism. These things we go about our daily day as they're not happening in our city, in our state, and in our country.
Sooner or later, it's going to be knocking at each and every one of our doors. When we say, you hear me say, when we normalize the abnormal, we desensitize the truth to the point the truth doesn't even matter anymore. And that's where we
at now. things that we look at that are abnormal in our daily life. We don't sin it so much, we don't hurt it so much, it don't even bother us no more. And so when you find out the truth, the truth don't move you to make
corrections. The truth the truth don't move you at all. And that's a sad state for our city, for our state, and for our country to be. And it's a sad state of mind for all our citizens who we get up every day. the
ones that have kids, grandkids, and we try to teach them the way of life. It is sad. So I say to every citizen, you are the
change that you want to see. And when you realize that every candidate to you that you select these things matters, principle matter, integrity matters, honesty matters,
accountability matters, responsibility matters, morals matter, ethics matter, character matters. matters. Procedures matters.
Leadership, God knows we need strong leadership now. Matters. Laws matter. When we realize that our voice and our vote is the change that we want to see, when we realize our voice and our vote
can make that change overnight, that's when we have America that we all can be proud of. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, council, I guess you know why I'm up here. Uh, could I get an update on where we are with the charter?
We didn't make the the September obviously had to be in by June. So we're now it's a be a march for charter amendments unless we want to do just a special election for just so charter amendments.
So we missed the September. Correct. We missed the last March as well. Right. We missed the last last March. Okay. Yeah, we did. We missed last March. So we lost we we missed September's
election. Now, there's another one in November that we could tag on to, correct? No, that would be just Orlando's that I don't know, but maybe. Maybe. Okay. Maybe. I don't think so. I think that's an Orlando check. I don't know.
Yeah. So, how how does the public um determine whether or not the council is really interested in putting these issues before them?
when the council continues to drag their feet on the issues. As far as I know, all the issues are before council. All the issues have been discussed and debated by council.
Why does the public have to wait for y'all to take action? They shouldn't have to do that. They shouldn't have to wait to cast their vote on how they want their government to run. They shouldn't have to do that.
Thank you, up 3603 Golden Gem Road. There's two there's two ways to achieve a result. One way is a carrot, the other way is a stick. For weeks in, weeks out, I've come here with solutions. I've offered you the carrot. Today, there's no more carrots. I've continuously requested
meetings with our mayor, with our city engineer, with members of the commission. So far, I've had two people take me up on that. Commissioner Nester, Commissioner Vasquez. Why am I being denied my right to meetings that involve
my property and the development of my property? Back in 19 back in 2021 is when I first came to the city. I was given lies. I was given misinformation. That has continued. There's been continuous delays with my property. But
now, let me tell you this. Golden Gem Road is currently being requested to have extensions through St. John's for development. It's part of your comprehensive plan. If you can't fix Golden Gem Road, your comprehensive plan
is Okay? You're not going to be able to develop. Developers are going to be suing you because there's going to be no houses built. Now, how does that affect me? Well, I'm your neighbor, Golden Gem Road, historically speaking. And if you go back and check in May the
May 15th of last year, DVO came here and he said there was historical data about the water levels on Golden Gem Road. Well, I accessed that historical data. That historical data currently shows there's there's elevated levels of groundwater in Golden Gem Road. Do you
know why there's elevated levels? because you paid DVO Saran $950,000 to provide an interceptor trench. That interceptor trench was never put there. Now it's causing me to lose money
because the city keep telling me that I've got to re-evaluate my MDPs. I can't get my development done because you keep changing the rules. Is it any wonder you keep changing the rules when you don't want me to speak when there's
an election in next year? Yeah, it's time this nonsense stop. And I'm going to stop it because I'm going to see the commissioners in Pla, the commissioners from St. John's and I'm going to ask them to revoke your permits on Golden
Gem Road because if you are in contravention of policies that affect my property, I have the right to go there and speak directly to them. And when I speak directly to them, I'll be asking why the city paid contractors money for
work that was never done. I'll be asking them why the bonded Golden Gem Road was filled when there was no completion certificates. So the fact that we lost all that water down the sinkhole was actually criminal. Um, I'm Valerie Sparkman. I'm the owner
of Just Like Mamas. U, we we had an event on Saturday and I want to say it was a total success. Um, I want to give thanks to Commissioner Smith and Two P's in a pod for paying for the officers for stopping to and for
stopping by to show your support. I appreciate that. Also, Commissioner Neesa for stopping by and showing your support and plus um giving me some advice and me giving you some as well. Um, I'm excited um that Cindy from the
city, she helped get the permit and make everything smooth. She also stopped by and brought flowers and a card. I mean, it was awesome. So, anyway, I just want to give her a shout out and Lexis as well. Lexi from the city as well um for
um everything that she done. Um I also want to thank my neighboring businesses. I hope that they um I I'm thanking them because they did give their approval without hesitation and I'm hoping that they were prosperous as well in this event. Some negative takeaways. Um even
though the event was a a successful event, I um I am disappointed because again um Commissioner Smith and two peas in a pod paid for 8 hours um from 12 to 8. Um the
offduty officer showed up at 2 21 27 and our event started at 2:00. So, we had cars lining up in the road at 12 and the captain of the fire um department and the fire chief had to come out. I know the the captain was off that day and he
still came out to the kind of direct traffic so nobody would get hurt and he even had to put barricades out. Um I'm disappointed because when I see the Fifth Street Market um doing their thing and we were told that we're supposed to be treated like the Fifth Street Market
where there was no barricades. He had to leave little cones out so people won't run in traffic. Um they had to call he had to call the ond duty police officers because it was a miscommunication or something somewhere. And um I know things like that happen but um the after
effect was weird because after the on offduty officer that was paid, she came up to me and said that she's off at 6:00 and our event was to 7. Um it's still kind of weird still right now. Um, I didn't see any barricades on the side of
the road, um, anything like that because we could have put them out ourselves. It was none of this stuff done um, properly um, for our event. Um, the captain told us that we had the wrong map. So, with that being said, since we had the wrong map, we he um, suggested that we put our
overflow vehicles at the VFW building. So, some of you might have seen some of our trucks and different little things that did jeeps that showed up to the event was in that area as well as Chief McKenley also suggested this in a DRC
meeting. So, I just wanted to say I'm just disappointed um in the city. So, I'm leaving because I don't want to get timed out. But um other than that, everything else was good. Good. All right. Next up, Radley. Any changes to the
agenda? No changes. Okay, we've got uh seven sets of minutes to approve. Any changes, deletions, additions? Yeah, just one on the uh July 16th regular council meeting minutes. And I should have brought this up in our meeting and I apologize I didn't catch
it then. Um under my council report, uh it says Commissioner Nest asked for a motion to allow the city clerk to create a policy. And it wasn't I was asking the attorney to do that. Um it was Commissioner Velasquez that had stated that to have the city clerk to do that. And then it says that the motion carried
through to two, which it did not. Um it failed with Commissioner Velasquez and Nessa voting for uh a policy and then Comm uh Commissioner Anderson, Commissioner Smith, and of course, Mayor Mayor Nelson voting against it. So I just want to make sure that's reflected properly in those minutes. Okay. With those changes, you get a
motion to approve seven council meeting minutes or meeting minutes. So, we've got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? All oppose? Motion carries unanimously. All right.
Jean Sanchez, the 2025 build grant award. Come on down. And you're going to introduce the team. I am. Just a quick intro. Just quick credit is all to them and Pam. Um,
all right. So, good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. Um, I'm excited to introduce our partners from Kimley Horn and Associates who will present the details of the Akoia Apka Complete Streets Project funded through our recent build grant award. This is a
major milestone for the city of Apakka. In July, the US Department of Transportation awarded us $17.3 million through the better better utilizing investments to leverage developments, otherwise known as build program,
formerly known as the race grant. It is to help deliver a transformative roadway improvement along Koapco Road from Harmon Road to South Hawthorne Avenue. This award was a result of a multi-year collaborative effort. The application
process was initially led by our own Pam Richmond with assistance from Kimley Horn and then we strengthened it with robust public engagement. We held three public input sessions, utilized an interactive community engagement tool to gather online feedback, conducted a
benefit cost analysis, and secured letters of support from Congressman Daniel Webster, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings, Metro Plan Orlando, BikeWalk Central Florida, and many others. The funding allows us to address current congestion and safety issues
while planning for future growth. The improvements will enhance mobility for drivers, cyclists, and pedestrians, and connect neighborhoods to neighborhoods to schools, jobs, and service and services in a safer and more efficient way. This is a direct result of years of
planning, extensive public info, and strong partnerships both locally and at the federal level. It's a project that truly reflects the community's vision for safe streets, economic opportunity, and sustainable growth. I want to thank again our partners, our residents, and
of course this council for supporting the vision that brought us to this point. This is a win for all of Apakka. So at this time, I'd like to invite the team from Kimly Horn to walk us through the project design timeline and the next steps.
Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners, distinguished guest. I'm Laura Whittenbower with Kimley Horn. am a senior grants professional out of the Sarasota office and I'm Mike Woodward out of the Orlando office, transportation engineer. Yes. Um, this pursuit of funding
actually began in 2023 when Pam Richmond was here. I worked closely with Pam and Dr. Jackson in developing a raise grant for this specific project. Um, we did not win that one. We attended a debrief with the agency to find out where we were short. the number one area was with
our public involvement. So when this opportunity opened as raised of this year um actually then last year um I reached out to Jean as this was an opportunity to improve upon the previous application and resubmit.
So this began um four days prior to the due date. The notice of funding opportunity was pulled by the federal government. Um it was after 6 PM on a Friday and the application was due in four working days. So Monday morning we come in, we
see that it's been redlined, a lot of things removed. So we immediately, the team immediately went back into the application, work closely with Jean and took out all the information that was no longer part of the original notice of funding opportunity and updated that information.
Um next slide. So the entire Oh, thank you. The entire grant process from this point began with the public engagement. This was the one area we were lacking with the previous submitt and Mike Woodward jumped in
right away to do in-person meetings and we also included a Kimley Horn proprietary app with our technology solutions group called public coordinate. We developed the project narrative. We began getting the letters of support. Um doing the GIS work. We
performed a benefit cost analysis. Uh there's standard forms that are required with the grant application. We went through the Florida State Clearing House to ensure that they did not need to be part of the project. They're usually involved when there's any type of EPA work done. Um we got a funding
commitment letter. We looked at the future developments and the green light to submit the application. So, as mentioned, we had the initial public involvement back in 2022 and then we we started again um right toward right in December of last year. And we
had two public meetings. They were they were held in the city of Apopka. And the goal of the public meeting was to just get a picture from citizens about what their concerns were and what they would like to see happen on this corridor. And again, this was a the the the purpose of this was a direct response to that
debrief meeting when uh we recognized that in the previous round of review, we didn't get very many points for public involvement. So, needed to make sure that we had a couple of meetings. Um wanted to invite the local businesses to see what sort of what what the thoughts
were of the stakeholders in the area and as well as the community service providers. We had information as Laura mentioned that through public coordinate that people could comment uh through a virtual platform and that's always convenient for people who who maybe
can't make it to a public meeting for whatever reason. So we did collect a lot of good information that that the city can use forward as as this project continues to to move through the next phases. Um, as we went through the benefit cost analysis, this is a step that all of the grant reviewers want to
see and and you want to see a number that's that's really over one means you're spending your money wisely. And at a 2 almost a 2.3, that's that's a pretty good benefit cost ratio. And that is definitely one of the reasons why uh the federal government
was able to prioritize this project. I know it can be tough to get everyone to agree on what the top priorities are, but having a strong benefit cost ratio is definitely something that the federal government was looking for. Again, we had letters of support from uh
from several several prominent uh uh local members of the community and elected officials. And these letters of support also provided some confidence that this is a project that that has that has that local support. We went to
BikeWalk, Central Florida, Metro Plan Orlando, um the Congressman as well as as well as some other local areas that that would be directly affected by this type of an improvement. So, we did submit the request to Florida State Clearing House and they do want to
review the design project uh once that is complete um and then give a clearance on that. We received the funding commitment letter from the mayor which was also exceptional. We looked at the future developments in
the area to see who would be impacted and why these roads are impacted further. And then the project was awarded um the only project in Florida. They awarded 30 projects nationwide with Apaka being the
only winner in Florida of the $13.3 million. And we do want to take a minute to talk about the schedule here because anytime we break news that all right, we've received a grant and this is a lot of money. This is the se that's a that's a
large grant uh much larger than than what's typical and and that's great news. Um, what I do want to just pump the brakes on a little bit is is is just remind everybody how long it takes for a project to move through the different phases before construction is complete.
So, there are several steps that are necessary. Commissioner Smith, he thinks it's going to be done tomorrow afternoon. I'm very sorry, Commissioner Smith. Settle his expectations down just a little bit. Um so so so the good news of course is like if we didn't get this
then okay go ahead and step one is is is save $17 million. Um go ahead and add that to whatever timeline it is. But um when the federal government is involved of course you have to follow federal rules where if you were to to manage
this project internally as a city you could be much more efficient with your time and with your processes. Recognizing that federal dollars are involved. The federal government wants to make sure that you're being good stewards of that money. So, they definitely have uh uh review cycles in place and they want to make sure that
you follow all of the federal steps. Um that means that the next step is a PD&E, project development and environmental. Um that's something where you will look at the typical sections. There will be a pond sighting report to determine what
locations make sense for ponds and that will vet a lot of the initial engineering decisions. After that, you can go into design and once the design is complete, there will this project does have some right-of-way acquisition that we think is going to be necessary
to to implement that typical section and provide ponds. Um, I will note that we had some some public input during during those meetings. Um, I couldn't don't recall if it was December or January, but some of the people who own properties there had pointed out that
this would be a lovely location for a pond. So, um, it's always good when you have a people who who who actually want to move out of their property as opposed to someone who says, "I bought this place and I love it and I want to fight and stay here forever." Um, so so the
fact that you have some willing citizens is definitely going to help with the process. Um, of course that's not I don't intend for that comment to be reflective of the entire corridor. I'm just noting something that we heard from people who did show up at the meeting. Um, after right ofway is acquired and
you have you have the design, you've got the land, then you can advertise for construction and begin construction. We do think that construction would be about a 12-month process, but um, put all this together and we're looking at somewhere around year 2032. That's if
things go generally well. um any sort of wrinkles could potentially uh slow this down, but this is a fairly typical project timeline for something like this that would require property acquisition and has federal dollars involved.
Um current conditions on the road, this is a this is a two-lane road. I mentioned pond sites. There's some flooding that happens out here. Um it's it's pretty busy. go out there during the peak hour and you'll see quite a bit of traffic. Um, we mentioned some of the
growth that's anticipated in the area. Um, if you're if you've been paying any any attention to Apakka, you'll know that this side of town is growing and that's there's going to continue to be traffic impacts associated with that growth and so widening this road will be
will be a large benefit. Um, I'll also point out that there's no there's no sidewalks on the east side. Uh there is a pretty sign significant ditch there which um again when you have vehicles that are traveling on a rural typical section where there's not curb and gutter and there is a ditch you end up
with some safety concerns. Um so those are some things both the traffic and the safety would would really be able have a have a large potential for improvement put it that way. Um and so here you can see that potential
design option that would include uh two lanes in each direction with a median. Uh the exact width of width of that median is is something that would be vetted in the in the next step of the PD&E. But this is a good starting point where you need about 100 ft of rightway
to have that four-lane divided facility with a multi-use path on one side and a sidewalk on the other side. Now the PD& phase is where you would finalize this. Right now this is this is an option. It's sort of one of the ideas. Now what you do with each one of these elements
is is again something that you'd figure out at the next step. So it looks like you would get the agreement anywhere from two to four months. I can tell you that the next build cycle o opens um in in the fall of this year and would be due probably by
the end of the year or the first part of January. um the federal agency would like to have all of their agreements out and signed before opening the new notice of funding opportunity. So, I would look at that time frame and you may have uh a back and forth with the program manager
that's assigned to you to get the agreement just right um with the budget, with the scope, any changes you want to make now before you sign the agreement. It can be changed later on. You can do a scope amendment or a budget adjustment. Um, but looking at it now and having a
clear picture of the direction you want to go is very help helpful at this point. Any questions for Laura or Mike? Well, I just want to thank the team from Kimley Horn. Y'all y'all were amazing. You know, they came to us, you know, a couple years ago and Laura said, "I think we can we can help you get a
grant." And, "Oh, yeah, sure. I've heard that before." And and you know, she got it, you know, to the 10 yard line and she handed off to Mike and Mike took it over the goal line. So, we appreciate the Kimley Horton team and and Jean and Pam and everybody involved that made this happen. So, we're so excited. It's
a a stretch of road that uh as Commissioner Smith would always tell you, it's it's definitely in need of of a lot of a lot of a lot of help. And so, with this grant, that will make that a possibility. So, thank you guys. Thank you. I I I do have a quick question. Thank you all for for the presentation in
regards to the acquisition of the properties for the rightway. Have there been any residents that um expressed any concerns? Um so far we've not but that's something that again I keep talking about the next phase um that there is a major public involvement component to that step and
that's where um letters will be sent to everyone. There will be public meetings um both in the development of the typical section and then once we get to the alternatives phase um so so whoever the consultant is at that time would present different alternatives and the public would be invited to comment on
all of them. Um the typical window for the for the invites is is 300 feet from from the corridor. So everyone who lives nearby is going to get is going to get a letter and an invitation to the public involvement. I imagine there would also be a virtual component with maybe QR
codes and in in a way to just go on to a website to leave comments that way as well. Um, and one of the deliverables from that PD&E is is also just going to lay out the existing right of way as well as the proposed right of way that that that corresponds to the locally
preferred alternative. And that would show you just which properties are impacted. But part of the in addition to just vetting the typical section, you'd look at where exactly to do the widening where sometimes it might make it might make sense to widen to the west or widen
to the east. And so again, that's some that is a while we we we have an understanding that we think we're going to need a pond now, the details are not yet are not yet vetted and that's something that would happen with the next step. So, not that I'm aware of yet, but a quite a bit more
investigation is necessary to really to really have a comprehensive picture. Thank you, Mr. Bless. Uh, no, I didn't hear there was no mention of the 20% that we have to match. So, yes. Um, that's important for our citizens to know. Yes, ma'am.
What the amount is that we have to match, sis? Back. Okay. Thank you. I don't have my glasses on. Um, the 20% match is $4.3 million. 4.34.
Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome, Mr. Smith. Uh, in reference to the timeline that you showed, is it possible that some of those could be overlapped because I noticed each one came to an end before
the Sure. So, so yeah, and like certainly with the the the as one phase is wrapping up like towards the end of the PD&E, you do have some space where you you've had enough progress in and in in verification of
what's happening that you can be confident that you are going to move into the next step which is design. So, you can kind of start that going. So, so there are some opportunities to to really stack this up as much as possible. um it can be done. It's it's
it's sort of an all hands- on deck process at that point and will take a lot of communication and coordination to to really be able to to have those things line up to keep keep marching forward. All right. And is it possible we can get a copy of this timeline? I didn't say it
in the packet. Sure. Absolutely. Yes. All right. And I want to say thank you for all your work. Uh this has been a pet peeve of mine for five years now. Uh, so I'll wait another seven years. Uh, hopefully less. But I just wanted to thank you for all your work and really
appreciate that. You too, Jean, Mr. Neesa. Absolutely. And I got one question for you guys and I got a couple questions for Mrs. Sherman back there. So I just got a few for you. Thank you. So the and this is kind of more detail oriented. The the cost associated with the
rightway acquisition, is that part of like a cost that's already built in? So that's part of that 17 million because how's that kind of split up that cost or is that just an additional cost to us? Basically it's it's included. It's pretty general right now. It's sort of like a what's
average cost of property. So that number is is is not precise at this time is just a it's a quick estimate based on general information. Okay. But it's not back to this. It's not in addition to what we're looking at. Correct. It could go up, it could go down, but
and yes, I'll also note that like the cost estimates that were put in place was was at a matter at one point in time based on information that was available then as costs continue to change into the future like all these things are variable. So, Gotcha. Understood. Okay. Thank you. Next one's for Mr. Sherman. So, we spoke
about this yesterday and and on the act the application dated from January 30th, it states that funds have been appropriated for fiscal year 2526 for this project. 25. You indicated to me that that was not accurate. 2526. Correct. That's what this application
states. 2526. Correct. We discussed this yesterday during my agenda review. I thought it was 2425 that you mentioned. No, I'm reading off the the So 2526. Correct. So in the development of the 2526
budget, what our discussions evolved around where we had to do some rep prioritization of some of the projects in order to meet this match. Well, so that's and I appreciate and that is what we discussed yesterday. This doesn't state that. This states that we have appropriated them. So
because we're working on the 2526 budget. I understand. But none of that has been brought up when we went over our budget uh workshops. This was never brought up as a line item that needs to be funded. That is correct. We didn't know that we were going to receive the grant at that particular time and I think they just
explained the short timeline. Right. So Oh, and that's the thing is that this says that it's been appropriate. So, I want to make sure that I mean what what concerns me and it's what I brought up during budget workshops and and everyone uh many gave me issues about talking about a military change is that there's some things that
come up like this that we need to budget for that we may not know. We're not always privy to. I'm not privy to the information, but your team is or the administration is. And we could have budgeted for this with a change in military. But now October 1, if we don't change anything to our budget, we're in
the whole 4.34 million. This is transportation impact fee funds, but they still haven't been allocated outside of the millage for the general fund, but we haven't discussed that at all in any capacity. So, that's that's my continued concern is that that this was never brought up, but it said that it's already been appropriated.
Again, um during the discussions, what we talked about also was that we will be rep prioritizing some of the funds to meet this match in the 2025 2526 budget. And so, that'll be next month. those conversations when I bring the tenative budget. We
discussed that we were incorporated at that time. Okay. So that and again it's just concerning that it already said it was appropriated. So it was it wasn't was it your team that did the application? No. Whose team did this? I think Jean discussed it with you that
she worked on it and u with um in conjunction with many in conjunction with KHA and Dr. Jackson. Dr. Jackson did work on it, too. Yep. Okay. So, who's somebody approve said that it was going to be appropriated
though? I don't Jane, you want to answer that question? So, I did ask um if we can have this appropriated because we had lines in if we got the grant, we had lines in the CIP for transportation where um it was
uncommitted. It's called the uncommitted projects. And I think we had another one. Do you remember the other line I told you? We had another line on there um appropriated for something else that we knew we wouldn't need for the next
fiscal year. So I asked if I can use that as an appropriation for this in terms of doing the financial commitment letter. And who did you ask for that? Because um I asked administration specifically who?
I asked uh the CEO's office. Okay. And um I was told it would be it would be acceptable. So office stated that that that we should add so that it's approved that we could rep prioritize the
uncommitted um appropriations and that CIP to put towards this if we were to get the grant. Okay. Even though we didn't discuss that as a council and it wasn't discussed at all during budget workshops and that's not necessarily a question for you but to Mr. Sherman. This would have been
helpful to have during our budget conversations that this could be coming up. we need to be able to get ready for it to make sure we're budgeting appropriately for it. It would have been helpful, but again, it was it was two weeks ago. That was actually it was July 15th. I think the
letter came in if I remember correctly. So, I guess it was two weeks ago. I wasn't privy to that conversation. That was two weeks ago. Again, it's just a matter of rep prioritizing. Well, you say it as it's just a matter of, but that it means somewhere else in the city is losing what we've already planned for. So, I want to make sure
that that's that's brought up that yes, this is good for this corridor and we need it. It's just we could have brought this up and as a council decided, okay, let's make sure if we're rep prioritizing, we're doing it all with the whole picture and not just a myopic view of one project and then taking away
from another project. So, those are my concerns with this. I mean, again, it's great for our community. It's going to be great for this corridor and and it's going to be helpful. It's just again, it goes back to the budgeting side of things. this was never brought up to us in any any way. I was never privy to this information and it could have been
very helpful during our conversations. So that that's the concerns there that again why there was frustrations during budgeting process which I don't know if that's exclusively your office if that was how you were directed to do it uh or not bring it up to us. So I just want to make sure that moving forward we and the
public can see what our full view is of our financial state. Again I wasn't privy to the conversation so no one told me not to bring it up. You know, I just wasn't privy to the conversation that took place with Gina. Jess, you just mentioned that happened two weeks ago. And as we discussed in the briefing, and I know you don't want
to hear it again. It's a matter of repri, you know, prior. That's not I don't want to hear it. It's just this was from January 30th, though, when this was filled out. So, it's not again, as long as we had, again, we all should be working off the same sheet of music here and understanding what we're working towards. And this wasn't
at least brought to my attention. Um, so and and the fact that you didn't know about it either is concerning as well as our finance director. It helps with the budgeting process and then where are we moving fund, you know, are we taking more money out of the mattress to to fund this or what's that look like? So again, it's just it goes back to the
budgeting side of things that there's a lot of concerns with this budget process. Um, but understood I so we still don't know where we're taking this money from yet, though. I think we had some discussions and I think um it depends on how we handle um another item on the agenda or whether we consider
some of the other projects in regards to rep prioritizing those projects. Okay. Okay. Thank you. And I want to say thank you to the team that did this too. This is very helpful. Again, it's a big addition to our our city. It's just we need to be able to fund it as well, obviously, in a way that makes sense. And thank you to Mrs. Richmond, Dr. Jackson, and and Mrs.
Sanchez for making this happen as well. All right. Thank you team. Appreciate it. All right, next up, Popka Youthworks Summer 2025 program recap. Well, let me get started for Neil Delanco. She'll she'll she's here from Career Source.
But just to give you kind of a a background, we this is eight plus years we've been partnering with Career Source on our summer work program for our our uh students from the area schools. And um we're just so excited to have Nilla
here to kind of give us the kind of the the uh the overview of what we've accomplished this summer. So Nilda, give us your Great. Thank you so much, Mayor. Um good afternoon, commissioners. Um like mayor
said, um I'm Mil Blanco, the senior vice president of strategic initiatives for Career Source Central Florida. We are one of 21 workforce development boards in the state of Florida. We are the second largest board. Um we see about 40
to 42,000 people a year through the five counties that we serve. So we serve Oyola, Orange, Seol, Lake and Sumpter County. So we every we see everything from your urban communities to suburban communities and rural communities and provide employment and training services
in all those areas. Obviously, one of the biggest places where we have passion and we have purpose is really making sure that our young people within the region understand what careers are available and it's not just the careers that they see every day, but the careers that they don't know about and how can
we provide them experiences for them to really dive in. And so this past summer, we supported 1500 young people through those five counties that we serve. And through our program, they can explore careers through a track that we call explore. And they go on to college campuses and they get to explore every
program that's there. They have industry come in and talk to them about what's hot, what's not. Um, and we also talk to them about what are their career, what are their postgraduation options. So, everyone talks to students about college, but we talk to students
about skills training, military, apprenticeship, on the job training. There are so many ways to get a career these days and we want to make sure that our young people and their families really know what those options are. Through engaged students are really able to really dive deep into an industry that they really like. So we have
everything from culinary to coding to public servicemies where students find out about how a community is run and what the job of the commissioner is. Um and then we have our experience program and those students complete or go through your traditional internship
program where based on their interest we look at where they live. We look at their interest and then say how can we get you connected to those careers that you really have interest in. So with explore our focus is all around career awareness. With engage it's all about career preparation and making sure what their next steps are within a particular
industry. And then through experience it's really career immersion. And so, like the mayor said, we've partnered with Apakka, city of Apakka, for the last eight years, and we've been able to support young people from all kinds of backgrounds in your community.
This year, we supported 138 students from the Apakka um city of Apaka uh surrounding Apakka through the three tracks that I shared with you. And I would say that, you know, um when we look at the 138 students, 90 of those students actually went through work
experience. and many of those students had grown through our program. So this is the third year that we've developed more of a developmental approach to our program. So it's not a oneanddone, but we want to make sure students come back and they continue to evolve and grow through our programming. And so um we
are very appreciative of the city's investment um of $35,000 which is really used to support students in work experience program. So in the work experience program, students participate in a career a power skills academy where
they learn um fundamental work skills before they go to their internship so they're better prepared. We also invite industry to come in and make sure that uh they're able to understand again what industries are growing. We also do financial literacy with students. And
I'm really excited to say that of the students we served this year, 98% of those students were banked, meaning that we worked with them and their families to actually have a bank account, open a bank account, and understand what it means to manage a bank account. And we were able to do that with our
partnership with Addition Financial. And the great thing about the addition financial partnership is that students at the end of the summer they get $50 gift from addition financial deposited into their accounts for those who have addition financial accounts. And we were
very purposeful about that. You know, we know that young people may not always have accounts or their families and it may not be banked and they may go to a cash place. I'm not going to mention any brands. Um but they're going to pay a fee for that. And so they're paying
they're they're they're they're getting taxes and you know who's FICA and why is he getting my money? Um gets all those things out of their check, but we don't want them to go to a cash a check cashing institution where they then take an additional fee. So it was really important for us to have students really understand the power and the importance
of being banked. Um and so again, just really wanted to say thank you for the partnership here with the city. I know the city itself had um some interns and um they really enjoyed their experience here. other departments. I know HR department, a
couple others participated and you heard from um the young lady um from the naming program where we also provided internships and for these students this is their first time at work um and they're learning really valuable skills and it's really a strategic way for us
to make sure that we are supporting our young people to understand what careers are available, what's their career pathway forward and ultimately they can have great jobs in the communities that they live in and they can actually live, work, and play where they live. And so, we're really excited about this program.
And again, thank you for investment and my shameful plug um because you invited me, mayor, is that um you know, we've we've served young people for the last eight years and we've been able to leverage a lot of state and federal dollars. As you are embarking on, you
know, reduced federal dollars or other state dollars, we are too. And so, uh, candidly speaking, you know, we've been having conversations with our board of directors of how do we continue to fund these programs. And so if we could reach out to you all and get your support to either find other re funders to support
the program or if there's an opportunity as you go through your budget process um to look for additional dollars um that we would want to be able to have that conversation with you because I think we really have shown really great outcomes in our program over the last eight years and we want to continue to serve the
young people here in Apakka. So thank you mayor for inviting me and thank you for your time. Any questions for Nilda? So, you're saying you're not going to are you still going to be getting federal dollars for this program? Our federal dollars for the workforce system right now um are but our dollars
are appropriated for years 2526 26 27 um right now federally it's it's going to be a roll of the dice. What's being proposed by the administration is that we move from a formula program which they look at states and they look at local areas like ours and based on
poverty rates, population, unemployment and other factors, there is a formula. The federal government is proposing that states get a block grant and that it would be up to the state to decide how to invest that block grant. And so that could look a whole lot of different ways. That could look like we're going
to keep our formula. It could be competitive. And in that space, I'll be honest with you, we are the second largest board in the state and we're also the top performing board. So, if it is competitive, I think I'm gonna take a good swag at that. But, um, there are things that are changing, um, with how
dollars are going to be allocated and the levels of dollars. Right now, the administration is proposing a cut of, um, 32%. And then when we're looking at our temporary assistance for needy family dollars that come through HHS, those are
also proposed to be cut. And so from a state perspective, a lot of the dollars that we as the local workforce board get are passed through from the Department of Labor. We do not receive state general revenue dollars. So a lot of the work that we do to really create these
innovative programs for our senior workers, for our young individuals or individuals who have barriers to employment, we do a lot of that through grants and fundraising, which is also part of my job. So, you saw how I wasn't shameful about asking you for money, but that's what I do. Um, but that's how
we're able to really extend the dollars that receive from the federal government to leverage other resources. Interesting. Mr. Anderson, anything? No, thank you. Commissioner Smith, just want to say thank you for your partnership with us and we look forward to continuing that partnership.
Thank you, Commissioner Nesa. Absolutely. No, I just thank you so much for doing this, having grown up here both elementary, middle, and high school and start my own business here locally as well. raising my own kids here now, too. It's it's just so important to engage our youth in this capacity. I mean, it's our future and it's how we're going to be able to what we're going to
be able to pass on is so important to our youth and what they can run with. So, so giving them these extra kind of foundational pillars is huge and financial literacy is a massive one obviously. So, I love that you guys are doing that. Um, and and however we can continue to help and foster that and
partner with your group is is so important. Uh the only question I had on on our side, who is our kind of point of contact between us and and your team? The mayor's office and and a team member Stephen last and now now Marlin is transition into that role.
Yeah. So we've always had a really good partnership with a team member here to really help us through that. Oh, and last thing. Thank you so much for letting us use your community center because we were able to bring all the students in for Power Skills Academy. Um, and they could be in their community and not have to take, you know, get
figure out how to get there someplace else. Absolutely. Well, thank you again. We really appreciate you. Thank you for your time. We'll give you a plug. We're going to do a picture with you. So, we'll get you in the paper. How about that? Okay. If that's what you like to do. That's cool. I almost did a selfie, but I
Thank you very much. All right, next up, roadway repaving program update. Michael Ortiz. Um, good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. My name is Michael Ortiz. I'm the streets and storm water administrator and today I'll be uh
showing the selected roads for our FY26 roadway repaving program. So, a quick outline. Uh, we're going to be going over some strategies that we use and when we select our roads for our resurfacing program. Also, some statistics and history and some pavement
and resurfacing treatment methodology that we use as well and the list of roads that we've selected for FY26. Michael will either get a little closer to the mic or Yeah, there you go. Just Okay. Thank you. So some of the strategies that we use is uh going back to our 2021
pavement condition assessment report that was done which highlights our pavement condition scores. Um after we review the scores, we select the roads and we also take in citizen uh concerns and consideration as well. After those roads are selected, we do a field verification to further uh assess the
roads to determine which treatment method would be best in resurfacing those roads. Here's some uh statistics and history. FY2122 we surfaced a total of 10.6 miles. 1.6
was cold in place, 7 was melon overlay, and two was Cape Seal. FY223, we did 12 miles, five was melon overlay, and seven was Cape Seal. FY 2324, 8.5 miles of total, one mile of colden place, 1.5
miles of melon overlay, and six miles of Cape Seal. FY2425 we did 9.4 6.4 millon overlay and three cape seal and then for FY2526 we plan on doing 5.4 miles of melon overlay and 1.6 of cape seal and then I
do want to note for FY2122 and 2223 we did get extra funding through the corona virus funding. Yes. So some pavement treatment methodologies we use two for this year which is going to be the cape seal micro seal which is nonstructural method and a mill and
overlay which is more for structural asphalt depending on the PCI score and the condition of the roads. If we get them at a certain time capills used um we usually use it for more of neighborhoods rather than main roads and milling overlays the other use for the main roads that we have throughout the
city. Here's the process for Cape Seal. Um it's basically a slurry surface that is put on top. It adds about half an inch. It kind of rejudates the asphalt and gives it longer, you know, extended life. Milan overlay is troll
reconstruction. We mill about one to one and a half. Um depending on certain roads, if there's heavy traffic, we actually do 2 in instead of 1.5 and then we re uh mill the surface, reapply new uh asphalt, and then roll it in.
So, these are the roads that we selected uh for Milan Overlay. The first one's going to be in the Pines of Aka subdivision with a total of 1.92 miles and total cost was $424,23.16. The second one was Arrow. We did Lexington last year, so we just want to
finish up the little side streets that are there with me overlay, which will be a total of 1.20 1.02 02 miles with a total cost of $293 615 and21. Keen roads the other road that we want
to treat this year. It's um one road that leads to the dump and this is one where we're going to increase the asphalt to two. Uh it is also a very now popular road. There's a lot more traffic there and it's a total of 1.64 miles and total cost is going to be $545 3586.
[Music] Vic road is the other road that we're going to do millin overlay as well. We did do the southside. We waited till our project for the lift station rehab of the pipe to be done first before we treated that northern section which was completed last year. So now we're just
going in there and treating that portion of road this year which is a total of86 miles. And then Oakhill Reserve was chosen to do our cape seal. The score in there wasn't too bad but we wanted to treat it before it got to that point where millaying had to be done. and it's going
to be a total of 1.6 miles with a cost of $218,570.50. In summary, we're doing a total of 1.6 miles of Cape Sil microsurface mill overlay 5.4 miles. Uh total miles is going to be 7.04 with a total cost of
1,952,74645. Uh we are budgeted for $2 million for this year. So, we're going to have a little bit of cushion. And that's the overview of the map. And then here's a overall history of the past years to kind of compare some numbers. In the last 5 years, we were
able to do 44.34 miles of road resurfacing. From 2025 to 2019, we only did 26.3 miles. So, we drastically doubled that in just five years.
Any questions? Any questions for Michael? Do we do we have a timeline of when you're going to start the process for these streets? Yes. So, I'm going to start around November once we get everything scheduled. Um, if anything, it might be
pushed into December, depending on scheduling and with the contractor, but I'm working with them. We had projected around November. Around November. Is this all inhouse? No, we use a contractor. You use a contractor? Who is that?
Uh APS, Asphalt Paving Solutions. Okay. So, any of the other streets, any of the other subdivisions, are they sort of on a wait list? Yes. So, with the given budget, we, you know, do our assessment and determine
which roads are the worst to go and then address them. We also do take in citizen concern as well. If we get a lot of work orders that there's potholes reported or road issues, we want to also handle those roads first as well where they're more heavily trafficked rather than the
less used. So with the 2 million, these are the roads, but if in between there there's a subdivision or a street that needs attention, do we have the funds to have those streets
uh repaired? We we repair everything in house. We do pothole repairs, depressions. We have a crew that goes out and do a saw cut and then we do a hot asphalt patch repair in those in house. Okay. All right. I just want to say thank you, Michael, because I know that you're
always on my CC on all my emails because we get um I know I get them a lot of telephone calls from different residents regarding different issues that they have and um and I know you wear a few hats down in public services. So, I want
to say thank you because you always respond um not just to me but to the resident that uh I forwarded the information. So, I want to say thank you. Thank you. Any questions for Michael? Yeah, I had a quick one and thank you,
Mr. Ortiz, for making this all happen and um providing this uh presentation to us. Couple questions here that the kind of the price per mile of the mill and overlay is is different between each project. Is that just the nature of the business that there's not really a set Yes. price per mile?
Yeah, it fluctuates depending on what state we're on with the economy. Also, um, Keem Road is more of a heavily traffic road with, you know, dump trucks. So, we do have to increase the thickness of asphalt there to accommodate for those heavier traffic trucks.
Gotcha. Okay. And then for specific to Vic Road, that one, we have plans in the near future, especially with potential new projects coming in the area, to widen that or add some additional features to that. So, does it make sense to do a millon overlay, which is kind of
the more uh comprehensive approach to this as if we were keeping that same size, but in the near future, I believe we're planning on doing some improvements to that to accommodate. So, I didn't know if it does it make fiscal sense to do this much of a u fix to this
or uh combine this with kind of that more improvement that we're doing down the road. Good afternoon. Simonoski, public works director and city engineer. Uh, Commissioner Neesto will looked into this. We're going to probably reassess the resurfacing mill and resurface of
this section. Uh, everything was pending on the pulry property timeline for development. Now that we know that's going to happen, probably a project is going to start in about three years. We didn't had this design included for the widening of this section in the budget presentation where we did about a month
ago. So we only presented from um old Dixie Highway to Leester road and now we're going to be adding this fourth phase which is from all from Leester to Pon for the design for four laning. So of course that will require acquisition
of some rideway potentially poetry property dedication of some rideway and this particular section we're going to reevaluate and see based on the payment condition. It's pretty bad. So we need to see if everything falls within the threeyear period maybe we can do some
different treatment of that section of the road because it's very heavily traveled. If not then we'll consider how the development is going to come because the first phase to my understanding of paluchi development will be right on the east side of Vikro just across right
Oak Hill I believe it's called correct. Yes. Yeah. So that was my concern again you know people always say the government they just built something brand new and ripping it back up and doing it again. So I just want to make sure. Yeah, of course. Cuz this was all prepared prior to that. Sure. The meeting for Poli, the public meeting was I think two days ago. So yes. So yeah, I just wanted to make sure
that at least we're assessing some capacity for that. Uh the for the contractor that's doing this, is it one that we have selected through a bidding process or how do we uh select them or find them? Yes, it's a piggyback contract was
brought to council for approval. That's what I thought. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Michael. Appreciate it. All right. Uh, compensation study. Is that Joe? Okay.
Good afternoon, everyone, commissioners and guests. So, my name is Joe Patton. I'm the director of HR. uh it was brought up that um a question about how we pay or how do we come about
compensation for commissioners. So uh I did a study on this uh because there is nothing uh written about how to compute or how we have computed uh commissioner
salaries. So, in this study, uh, I'm going to come up with the, uh, results of that study. And basically what we did, we we went out and surveyed all the surrounding cities. Uh, and I do have some additional ones that I would like
to add. I could send to you either uh, email when I update the presentation or I could tell you right now, but there's like five additional cities in there. Um, let's do both. If you don't mind, Joe, do both. if you don't mind. I do both. Yeah.
Yes, I can do that. I can do that as we go along. Perfect. Thank you. Yep. So, let's see. Wrong one. So, currently on the left side of this uh slide, initial findings, you'll see
uh some history about where we have ended up today. uh FY19 your salaries were set at 13,500 and then uh currently they've gone up to 17,400
and as vice mayor there's an additional $300 as you can see at the bottom little footnote there. uh we are unable to locate any records, ordinances um compensation methodology
um on anything concerning commissioner uh compensation. So in the past we've gotten an email from the city administrator's office saying this is the new salary um which I did not know or anyone knows what the
computation was. So with that in mind, the next slide there is a um there is an ordinance that was found which is uh 781 dated uh July 7th and this is how it
reads. This is the current current ordinance. So it states basically in a nutshell that you shall receive a salary. However, there's no methodology about how we come up with that salary. It also states that no change in the
compensation ordinance for a city commissioner shall become effective until the duties of the commencement of the terms of the commissioners elected at the next regular election provided that such election follows the adoption of such law or ordinance by at least six
months. So that's one of those the ordinances that is in there. Now Joe, real quick, just a point of clarification, the section 2.03 is in the charter. The ordinance you're referencing was an update to the charter back at that time.
All right. Thank you. Now for the study that I had for this um presentation that was put before you that you have the information on. Uh this was the study as you can see uh we have the city uh we have population of
that city and this is sorted by population. Uh you have the number of commissioners that are in that city. uh you have either if they're districtricted uh their annual salaries and then what
we did was we added a column for commissioner per capita. That is not to say that this is how these salaries were um formulated. However, we did this so that we could give you some something to compare apples to apples with with all
the other cities. Uh we also added whether there was health insurance or not. Uh if you see the blanks there, we did not get a response for those for those questions. Now I have I have some that uh I've
added. There was a request well you know can we get some more city like cities with the same populations and then there was a request for another local city. So um if I can go down if if you would like me to read those off. There's only five.
So um one was uh the city of Orlando was requested which their population is 307,000. Uh they have six commissioners. They are districted.
Their annual salary is 79,343. Their commissioner per capita is 26 and they do have health insurance. Now those commissioners are considered full-time. The rest are considered part-time. Ocala is the next city that we added.
population 70,000 commissioners four districted no their annual salary is $2,400 [Music] they have a per capita 03
and they receive health insurance next is Port Orange they have a population of 66,556 they have four commissioners they are districted. Yes, they are districted. Uh their annual salary is 22,745
per year. Their per capita is.34 and yes they have health insurance. Next is Palm Beach Gardens with 62,469 population. They have five commissioners.
They are not districted. Their salaries are $36,444 a year and their per capita is 0.58 and they do have um health benefits.
And the last is Jupiter with 61,000 as population commissioners is four. They are not districted. Their annual salary is $18,600. Their per capita is30
and they also have health insurance. Okay. The next slide is basically a visual representative of the salaries of the commissioners of each city and I have updated that as
well. So I will have that for you. Um recommended next steps. So here we are looking for information from you to decide how this how to come up with a
methodology about pay. So we recommend that have a workshop or a business item at the next meeting or a future meeting to discuss compensation and methodologies. Uh then we'll draft an ordinance uh that
establishes compensation for commissioners and in that ordinance uh will repeal uh any contradictory or other ordinances that we may not have known about that we could not find. Okay.
Any questions for Joe? I've got maybe one or two. Yes, sir. Joe on the do any of these cities have from what we I'd always assumed and this was under Edward Bass so you know obviously not here to to to dispute it but that
they got a salary and then they got for another every time we add another thousand people they added to the salary. Are any of these cities that you you've listed here, do any of them have any kind of a just a salary bump based on population growth or is it
there? To tell you there's all over the place, but there are some that have that maybe one or two that I found. Um there's some that have um a flat amount that you start at and then
you get what maybe a cola every year or you get whatever the employees get. However, our employees get a is merit based so they get an evaluation. Um there are some that are based on um an
annual basis. So if they like Orlando, I just got off the phone with them this afternoon because their numbers just came in. So it was a little confusing how they did that, but um they actually couldn't tell me. They said that no,
that is strictly uh the council and we don't get involved in that. So we we don't know what the methodology is on that. So um so as the mayor said that Ed Bass had said every 1,000 the issue is we can't find anything on how it was determined.
Correct. So um yes we need to codify it for sure. we we need to kind of figure it out so that we have again right you know I'm big on having a policy having something to turn to to reference and um you know over the
years you know I just always accepted this is the way it was but uh I'm kind of glad that it is being brought up um because we are growing and as I have expressed that when I first became the
commissioner um I had noticed that we weren't very much involved in the community and certainly not involved in a lot of the process. We just used used to, you know, they used to just show up in kind of both, but I think over the years we have grown uh each commissioner. I mean, we're basically at
almost every community event. Uh we support different organizations. Um, we do a lot more than I' I've seen and I think the public has seen us and has had more access to us than any time before.
So, and and our city is just growing and growing. So, um I don't know if you would do it by population because of the exponential growth that we're having. Mhm. Well, that's that's the reason why I have the information here and that's
what the direction we're looking from from you all to do so that we can set a policy so there is no guess so we have something solid that we can go a workshop uh would probably uh be best for us because we can all kind of have
an input. Um it it's important for the commissioners. What do you think for all commissioners here? I'm in favor of the workshop. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And and I think so right now we're we're just basing our payoff.
Basically the last uh salary that was set. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I think it would definitely be beneficial to get uh resident feedback on that and and see exactly what their expectations are. One thing that I like in the charter that charter amendment that states that we can't just set our own salary and
increase it today. it has to be done at the next election. totally appropriate that there's no guesswork um on the on the residents thinking that they got us for one number and then we're we're kind of making the gold and I and I've seen it to where they have a cola every year or sure
you know what but again it's expect the residents know what they're what they're paying right I was kind of looking for something that would be you know uh kind of like a mode that we could do follow or a standard but there isn't any so
so I just I want to just say for transparency um reasons um I received um several just questions about how we were paid. So I was the one brought it up and asked was there a ordinance or policy that showed how commissioners was paid. It wasn't that I was wanting us to
receive a raise. It was just I just needed a policy so I could explain to the residents and there was no policy. No and it was it was a great question actually because Yeah. Glad you brought it up. Absolutely. It's definitely needed. Yep. Yep. All right. So, we all set up and you
want to do it now or what do you what what's the pleasure set or do you want to whatever y'all want to do? Have a workshop. A workshop. I'm saying when do you you want to do it as in set up soon? Well, it doesn't get done anyway till the next
election. So, you want just wait a month or so? I think I mean we set a date. We set a date. The date out. It'll have to be the next month obviously, but we need to probably need to set a date to plan it. October, November.
I think it's fine. I mean, you guys October November time here. It works for you guys. Sure. Okay. Um, let's see. You want to do it at before this the second meeting in October. Do a six o'clock workshop. That work.
What date is that? Uh, yes. Um 16th. 15th of 15th. 15th. So 15th to 6 o'clock. Okay. So Joe, is that October 15th? Yep. Yep. Yep. So 6 o'clock. That' be before our
regular schedule council meeting. So good. One question I did. Did you happen while you're doing the survey with the other cities to know on the health insurance side? Are those HMO or PO? Do you know what kind of plans they were? We didn't ask that question. Just whether it was just just whether they had health insurance or not.
Okay. If we can try to just drill that down a little bit just to understand because there's different costs associated with this obviously. I think I think um I'll just take an educated guess and say that it's whatever plan they have. Uh like our plans you can choose between an HMO or a
PO. So if that's the case then I would think that you would be able to choose the plan. It just be like a regular employee. Got you'll be able to do that. Plus, you would probably be able to, you know, if you're on our plan, you'd be able to use the the clinic that we have. Understood.
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next up, no. Um, we've got eight consent agenda items. Does anybody from the dis or from the public need to pull any of the eight consent agenda items? If not, look for a motion to approve. Yes. Going to pull number seven.
Poll number seven. So, look for a motion to approve consent agenda items one through six and eight. Okay. Seven. We're pulling. Yes. Seven. That's late side. Okay. So, one through six and eight.
So, you're looking for a motion? Yeah. So, got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Next up, authorize the mayor to execute a traffic enforcement agreement with the lake side
of Papia. Deputy Chief Deputy Chief Quin Henry Pakapedi. No, sir. And this is mine obviously that um and sorry we missed each other yesterday. I know there was conflicting um schedules that we discussed. So I appreciate you taking the time now to um
discuss this. So the the question I had here is that that it specifically repres references compensation that it says pursuant to Florida statute 316.06 sub 2 subb sub 1, the Lakeside Apakka HOA Homeowner Association, Inc. shall
compensate the city of Apakka Police Department for the actual costs of traffic control enforcement performed under this agreement. If you go to the state statute, it references something kind of just as ambiguous of just costs need to be uh reimbursed so to speak. So
my question was what are those costs and how do we track those? How is that actually uh charged back to the HOA and to what extent are costs not charged back? So if we is it just the time there of that individual
officer? Is it also their uh health insurance, their retirement that we're all calculating in that hourly time rate that they're serving this community or how is that calculated? How are we do that uh accounting wise? Okay, so good question. I'll tell you my experience and how I've seen it. So,
you're right. The statute leaves it where it says they may reimburse. And so basically if we go in when these agreements are executed and they don't have a DOT the proper DOT uh stop sign or yield signs that sort of thing. So
the cost of replacing those is on the HOA or the person who executes it. So in this case it would be on the HOA to pay for those signages. And then the other times that I've seen it used is if a private community says, "Hey, we want
traffic enforcement and we want to pay for time certain." So if they want offduty is when I've actually seen it between certain hours and they ask for that, that's where they have to pay for that. But you have to have the traffic enforcement agreement in place before they can do it. And I do believe there
is a community that has done that in the past. H has there do we have another community like that? Yeah, we've had the HOA in Rock Springs Ridge uh hire off duty to patrol our streets, but they to your point, they they pay that per hour. So, it's not similar.
This is more kind of as as an officer is patrolling if they happen to be in that area as they would any other time. So, this HOA just like any HOA can't say, I want you here from this time to this time. Correct. Unless they're paying for off duty. That's correct. And how this most of the
time this comes about because they're out in their neighborhoods. They see speeders. It's a gated community and they need this agreement in place in order for us to come in and enforce the traffic. And that's simply what it is. It's not any specific time. It's hey
come in and force this like we would any other neighborhood with public roads. Okay. Understood. Thank you. Okay. Any questions? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Is anybody from the homeowner association here? Okay. Not aware. All right. If not, look for a motion to
authorize the mayor to execute a traffic enforcement agreement with the Lakeside Apka community. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Neesa. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, business item interlocal agreement
Orange County Jean For the record, Jean Sanchez with the community development department. Um, tonight's item concerns the interlocal agreement with Orange County for the transfer of Golden Gem Road with a revised terminite since the last time I
brought it up here. Um staff is requesting that council review the amended interlocal agreement and provide direction whether to accept the transfer from Kelly Park Road to the southern boundary of the Park View Preserve subdivision as currently proposed by Orange County. So I'm going to give you
a little bit of a background to tell you how we got here at this point. Um just like the build grant, this was a multi-year task. And um so Golden Gem Road was built prior to 2000
and not fully paved until around 2003. The roadway is substandard and requires a full reconstruction including right-of-way acquisitions and storm water facilities. Because Golden Gem Road is functionally classified by the Federal Highway Administration, it
serves a broader transportation purpose than a local road. functional classification groups, roads by type of service they provide, connecting larger networks, carrying higher traffic volumes, and requiring design features like wider lanes and proper pedestrians
pedestrian accommodations. The road's functional classification also means that transfer of jurisdiction must occur through a formal agreement under state law. The city is under no obligation to take ownership. In 2010, the Apopkcoa vision plan
developed jointly with Orange County identified Golden Gem Road as part of the area's long-term transportation network. In 2022, city and county staff agreed to transfer limits from Kelly Park Road to Capitol Reefway. An even
split with the county retaining the southern segment of this and the city taking the northern portion which is the costlier um portion to improve. This segment lies within the Kelly Park interchange formbbased code area.
The city began design for the northern segment and secured funding through a pioneer agreement with developers and the design is now 60% complete. Um sorry about that. in the late 2023 almost after almost two years of negot
negotiations and a couple of transportation planners um and an approved ILA by you all. The county requested extending the southern limit by 1300 linear feet. The city
declined and moved forward with the original agreement approved in June 2024 by city council. In May 2025, the county again proposed the extended limit and offered no cost sharing commitment. This added segment would increase project
cost by approximately 2.8 million at today's dollars. The city has taken the following key actions to fasttrack the Golden Gem Road Reconstruction Project, including securing, like I said, the pioneer agreement with developers, initiating
roadway design at about 60% completion right now. The estimated cost for an original segment, which is reasonable and accommodating and and representing a fair split of the road, is about $12 million. The county's extension adds costs without funding
participation. The pros of accepting the ILA is that the city can complete design and construction without county delays. roadway can be built to city standards are permitted through the city and the cons is that it increases cost and
timeline by 30 to 40% if it stays in the county. The city bears full cost of improvements including fixing the fixing the county substandard road and maintenance costs which we when we inquired with the county they would um
require that an agreement be made that the city will maintain the road if it's still under the jurisdiction of the county but the the city will be bear all maintenance cost and added 1300 ft raises cost by about 2.8 8 million with
no county funding and city assumes more than its fair share of improvements. Staff asked that council review the amended ILA with the extended terminus, consider the financial and operational impacts and provide direction on whether
to accept the proposed transfer. Staff is available for questions. Okay, any questions for Jean? So to simply walk through the timeline it was and more re most recently we had an agreement in place we agreed to it as
a board in that agreement was it that they were offering 750,000 at that time that we agreed to? No. Uh there were from when I stepped in there was no I wasn't aware of the 750,000 for resurfacing.
Okay. So then the agreement was agreed to by this board without the 750,000. Yes. Orange County then made adjustments after both were agreed to and said, "Here's the adjustments, but we will offer the 750." Or they never offered that. I have only heard about the 750 after
the fact after it was approved by city council. And it's my understanding that the 750 is specifically allocated for resurfacing. I don't think it would have been applied to designer construction. Okay. So it wouldn't have helped. It
would have a very bad band-aid on a very big wound. Correct. Okay. And then now we're at this point to where they said we still won't provide any funding at all and we want you to take was it 1300 linear feet more? Yes. And you're estimating or the estimate
that was provided was additional 2 8 8 million. So total project of about 15 million. Yeah. Just 14.655 million to do what we would be taking over to to bring it up to our standard effectively. Correct. Yes sir. Functionally classified roads.
So do we know? We don't have the date of when this was functionally classified. Correct. No. Um on the website it's my understanding that public services and um city administrator checked on it. We can't pinpoint the exact year but functional classification designation
and is based on the request of a jurisdiction. Right. And so that was I was trying to that helps tell the story a little bit. So I was trying to figure out what that timeline was was as well. Correct. Because in the report, in the staff report, it says that that functionally classified uh classification can provide
opportunities for grant funding and things of that nature. That's right. Whether or not that money's readily available or not is a different story, but it it opens it up. So, I guess that that's the rational nexus to do that. But the fact that it is now, it limits us on a lot of things, too. Correct. The
fact that it's functionally classified, I guess. or more so is the county thinking because it's functionally classified, we don't need to it doesn't need to be on our 10ear plan at all. I don't I don't think it it does anything if the county refuses as they're doing now to improve it.
Okay. There's no improvement plan for this. We um discussed it with the county at our latest meeting. It's not in any of their 10year plan, fiveyear plan. Um, it
barely made it to the resurfacing plan. Are you able to go back to the the map of the road where I think you were showing this? Thank you. That's everything in red is a popka. Everything that's not red is Orange County. This is the new terminus.
Sorry, I meant uh the properties. All the not not the road itself, but all the properties surrounding. Correct. Everything red is state of Aka. Everything not covered in any color is is Orange County. Yes. Okay. And then you guys supplied in the
staff supplied a a local road maintenance responsibility agreement or letter. This is actually we just wanted to show you that if this was not a functional classified road, we wouldn't be at all eligible to take Golden Gem at all. If
you go a little bit past this, I'm only showing you the segment of the new terminus. If you consider the old golden gem road, we don't we the jurisdiction is not all in ours or at least 50% of it. And that's what I was kind of going to get to on this letter that was sent as
well to help define that as well. Yes, sir. Yep. So, so that goes into because it's not just a you can't just kind of subdivide the road and say, okay, well, you have 50% of that part. Yes. It's it has to be the whole road or nothing. Or in the sense of the 50% rule, if we index 50% of both sides of
the road, then it would be we would have to take it over, index that road. Yep. That's exactly how But that doesn't apply here. It does not apply here because it's functionally classified. Okay. There's a lot of layers to this one. Thank you. Those are the questions I
have right now. Yeah. Any other questions for Jean? And I don't know, Rattley, you want to a little context from I know you went down to the county. You had a whole team went. Yeah, we had a couple meetings with Orange County staff. The last one was with public works director, uh some
engineers, uh pretty much their whole team. Yes. At that last meeting, transportation planning, land use planning, right? And my understanding of the of the background of this uh this story is that after the city council approved the initial agreement, it was sent to county
for their approval. it never made it to their agenda because the the county needed a a map or a jurisdictional map. It was pulled. I I wasn't given an exact reason why it was pulled, but we were at the 11th hour and I was told it was pulled from the agenda.
And at that time is when they came back to us and said, "No, the agreement needs to go further than what originally was agreed to, uh, which is this new termini." Um, in the meetings we've had, uh, there's been, uh, city staff has
brought up questions about functioning classification of the roads. Um, the 50% rule, that 50% rule, as Gene was stating, even if the road was not functionally classified, we would not meet that threshold to take the road over. Uh, the function classification
requires the agreement of the city to take the road. And we had discussions about the long range planning of this area. um dating back uh to the early 2000s about the Kelly Park area in particular uh with the 429 then the
interchange. The county has been involved in those steps along the process. Uh at some point there was a request made to classify that road uh into what it is today. Uh it is a county road so that would have been a county request. Um so while the city is
developing in that area it is a county road. Um, and at this point, the last we heard from the county is that this is the deal. We can take it or leave it. Um, from staff standpoint, it's difficult uh
financially to to fully recommend doing this at this point. And what was the the deal? The deal is we take this new termini or leave it or no deal. And and what were they providing the dollar amount because I
know you originally it did start I don't know where the 750 was but I do remember they do a 750 calculation of the reurfacing of the whole golden gem road which is just based from discussions from our engineering consultant. It's
pretty hard to justify that with today's dollars to resurface that entire road. So that's not even really sufficient amount of money. Um, and they also wanted to um throw the figure of $4922,000 which is uh I guess equitable to us
taking most or beyond 50% of Golden Gem Road compared to the $2.8 million of construction cost design and construction and we're not at the 50%. um
not no ma'am I'm not on golden gem road and we I would like to make it clear if you if you refer back and I'm sorry I didn't include it if you refer back to our regulating plan for the KPI the reason why we stopped it where we stopped there there is a rhyming reason
and it's because the terminus of the KPI is around that it just made perfect sense to make it 50/50 um and as far as I'm concerned and just based on our KPI regul So you mean in the middle of the road 50% north 50%
south. So the whole road if you do a design and rec and construction right now would be about $22 million and they're having us try to pay for 15 million of that which is double right so
I mean we have no as far as our comp plan is concerned and our vision plan with the Kelly Park formbbased code we have no intent to go past south of this in terms of getting you know parcels
into the KPI form base code area and so and I there you know there's two different conversations here it's one the pragmatic financial view of this does this make sense at all I mean that and that's that's one view one side of this but there's also the other side is
that we have approved a substantial amount of developments on this road and it's going to be our residents although not our road it's going to be our residents coming to us and saying you need to fix this I just bought a 800 00,000 900 500,000 doesn't matter that what they bought it for but I correct then we we will do what Orange
County does when something is in our jurisdiction which is send it to them and let them know it is under county's jurisdiction I mean our hands are are tied I mean it's what public hate the most it's not us that's them understood I'm not saying it's wrong I'm just saying it there is this component
so there's that the fiscally side of it and there's also the just the reality of what's going to happen I think that we've shown good cause and and trying to reach out to the county and actually taking a road without funding from them and making it into it's not just going to be designed
if this was in the city and in the KPI. It's not just going to be designed as our local standard road design. It would be designed per the KPI standards which means it's going to have the street furniture that we require per code. Um you know additional capacity, left turn
lanes, uh bike trails because that's what we're designing it right now. I mean the the thing with this is and how rapidly Bobby and I have discussed it and with you all also at the agenda review meeting is that this if you move
past this now and put it on the table it wouldn't be the final thing on Golden Gem Road. It can be picked up again like Dutch was saying in terms of rep prioritizing projects. I mean you're basically saying Orange County will be happy to give this to us
whenever we're ready. They're always happy to give you roads and I don't know why they are holding off now. Okay. And and again and it goes into to safety. There's going to be buses out here. I mean there's a lot going on out here and there's there's limited sidewalks if any. Kids are going to want to play. So
there's that. So yes, there's a financial component. There's also safety and enjoyment of of our res. You know, we have priorities like the widening of the KPR and Akoya Popka Road and all these things happening. I understand the need for all these uh transportation
projects to move forward. So, um that's certainly something you all should consider. And just part of my initial outreach and the intent of the meetings with the county was to again this is a county road. The plans have been in the works for many many years that this area is
going to develop. This was a functionally classified road. looking for a little bit more of a a working relationship and a good faith effort to help improve this road as a partner. Um, yes, we've got a lot of city residents moving into that area. Uh, the county's
had this road since inception. So, um, we just haven't gotten to that point yet. And as Gene mentioned, uh this is something that even if it does not happen tonight, uh we can reapproach uh in the future as we continue to develop out out in that area and um bring it
back for further discussion. And I don't I at the same time too, I don't want to completely blame Orange County on this either. Uh especially who who's serving there now or whoever is working there now is because mayor, you were Orange County uh district commissioner there and could have
budgeted for this then. So everybody has a little piece of the pie of how this could have gotten remedied, but we're here now and I want to make sure that the residents are who uh we're focused on right now. So that's it's it's tough. I mean, it's a it's a big expense and again that's
why the ao a koi apaka road project we need to fund that somehow now as well. This needs to be funded or at least in our plans in some capacity because Orange County is not going to put on a plan ever. They know that we're going to continue to build it's eventually going to be ours. So, it's either ours now or
it's ours later and it's only going to get more expensive. So, there's there's that balance again, but it's how do you pay for it? Well, the other the other uh just to put on the radar, we do have many functionally classified roads that are county roads in the city that we're also developing around Flamesto Ponam Road. So, we do want to make sure that the
county is a good partner in those roads as we develop the city around them because financially the city is not at a point where we can take all those roads from the county to expand and maintain. So, that's where this discussion with the county, it's it's been uh it's been um good discussions. I mean, the county
staff's been great. Uh they've been very uh good to work with. We're just kind of at a point right now that I think it's time to to kind of assess uh some of our priorities and financially this is uh is this something we're ready to do right
at this moment? Any other questions for Jean or Rally? Anybody? Doesn't Orange County have a uh study right now going for those those roads that they own. Yes, we have the Noah study with it which is the northwest Orange County
transportation study. It includes uh mostly it is a popka jurisdiction stuff. It includes all of that and the irony is Golden Gem is not Golden Gem and Kelly Park is not in one of the study intersections they listed. um it's missing a lot of our pivotal
intersections actually in that in that study that they're proposing the drafts. So um so yes, we're working on getting our important intersections on there. It's supposed to be a basis for uh cost sharing discussions such as this. So
maybe at some point I'm hoping we don't have to take over roads like Ko Apopka and Pinion Road for it to be improved and you know serve the residents a little safely a little more safely. And I think I asked a question during
our agenda review and the fact that uh the county receives the impact fees uh in the northwest Orange County area. Yes. Right. And so therefore they're getting the money. So they need I'm not aware of any projects since my tenure here almost 10 years. Yeah.
That they have had done any kind of road projects in the city. No sir. Right. So they need to make an investment. And not only that, commissioner, but they also we pay county taxes. You know, we pay our city taxes and we pay 4.4 mills to the county and they get gas tax
money. So their their dollars they get for transportation and we we're a city but we're also county residents and and we we don't feel like we're you know getting our fair share of the the dollars for Northwest Orange County. That'd be the Is there like a third option? They keep
it, we keep it. Is there is there I was told there was not a a third option. Have we seen one anywhere else? Is there anywhere any municipality in the state of Florida that has done a third option? Uh, we'd have to look into that more. Uh, not that not that I'm aware of.
Typically, it's one jurisdiction is going to own the road and maintain it from there. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Public comment. Albert McKimmy 363 Golden Gem Road. I really don't think we've got an answer to this. It comes down to a moral
dilemma. We have taken all these impact fees from multiple developments in that area. Wild oaks, Golden Acorn, numerous developments.
Yet we do know that because we have to increase the width of Golden Gem Road. We can use significantly increase it more than 25%. We can use impact fees to work on Golden Gem Road. What I'm going to suggest today is I haven't even seen
you guys ask the right questions, never mind be able to give the right answers. First thing is I watched the presentation but it really meant nothing to me that you were discussing today take an extra 1300 ft that was 2.8 million. Can you bring up a map and show
me where that 1300 ft is? How does it affect Golden Gem Road? And when we speak about Golden Gem Road, it's in big capitals up there. We're not speaking about Golden Gem Road. We're speaking about parts of Golden Gem Road. So, what you guys are asking to do is differentiate between between residents
and Golden Gem Road, whether they're in Orange County or whether in the KPI and disenfranchise disenfranchises people simply on their geographical location. I am in the KPI.
I am looking for development within the KPI and it will eventually come and I hope that the impact fees that we provide will help to make it fairer for the whole of Golden Gem Road. As it stands just now, my understanding is although
we are in the KPI, we would not be part of the road that would be taken over if you guys do or do not decide to take it over. I think in the past my my my opinion was always, well, you know what? If you're not going to do it all, don't do it for any. However, I can't morally
say that because next door to me, Park View Preserve, is a concrete concentration camp. You've got almost a complete subdivision now with children's and bicycles and scooters that can't exit exit onto
Golden Gem Road. Why can't they exit on it? Because they cannot put bicycles anywhere and go along to their friends and other subdivisions. They're isolated. Because of the decisions you made a long time ago allowing development, you have
created concrete concentration camps. How is how long is it going to be if we don't develop that road properly before a child is killed there trying to go up the road to visit their friends? Even the loss of one life is way too much for the negligence and pre-planning that's
lacked in this city. uh to Commissioner Smith's point and the mayor point about the county is taking in impact fees. And I'm glad that the mayor just said,
"Oh, well, we we the city, but we pay county taxes." So, the county really need to kick in on this. I would just beg respectfully ask the mayor,
let's don't be a hypocrite. Let's don't talk out both side of our mouth because to the south of us down here, you have people in unincorporated south of Papka that's in the county but still pay taxes
in the city and you still is falling on deaf ear trying to get them annexed into the city. Anybody else? Okay. All right. Looking for some
direction here. um which is the subdivision that um is on Golden Gem and when you come out we don't have any sidewalks outside of that development that they actually have to go on to
Golden Gem. I don't know of any one under city jurisdiction in the KPI that was developed under KPI codes that didn't have sidewalks because it's required. You don't even have to be in the form
based code area and new developments are required to have sidewalks. Is it north or south of the I don't know. I mean the public com north. It's north. Well, I think the point that was being made is that they're doing sidewalks right in front of their
development, right? But there's nothing connecting them. So they you can do a loop just in your development. I think that was the point that was being made. Yes. Because we have a vision plan. So just like you see where the Publix there has that road that goes north and south
that was contemplated including sidewalks and trails over there to connect once a development comes in because obviously we can't financially do all the sidewalks. So the developments come in and and it's part of their development requirement.
I move that we do not accept the proposal. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Well, we don't have the funds to We don't have the funds. We don't have the fun. And again, this doesn't this us denying it does not preclude us from bringing this back up next week if we wanted to.
That's right. Yes. That's really an important point to have. We can't. I mean, this is really like wiping our hands of it's just it's a not right now. No, I don't. And commissioner, we can we're not going to stop conversations with the county staff. We'll continue to work with them
on solutions or I mean, the more residents we have in that area, the more this is going to become a very hot button item that we're going to have to take care of sooner rather than later. So, yeah. I mean, it's correct. and and Jean can uh can can let you know every development that comes in
city development, if they're coming in on a county road, the county has to be made aware that they're going to connect to the county road. So, that is the county's responsibility to make sure they provide them a driveway permit or a way to access the county road. So, as those developments happen, the county is in the loop on those when they come on
on every development, not just in the KPI. any development entitlement applications like reszonings, the things you guys see up here. We are required by the JPA to include them in our DRC distribution as well as notification.
I second. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, award the contract for the ITB 2022-A9. The rebid All right. Good afternoon, Blanch Sherman,
finance director. The item before you is to award a contract to RDC Development Corporation in the amount of 114,92974 with contingency. It comes to 12642271. The original bid on this home, which is
407 East 8th Street, the alternate home, was at 143,000. Under the rebid, as you can see, it came in at 114 um,000. So, that's about a $28,000 difference. There were some changes in regards to the bid. Um the
concentr um changes, the HVAC, shingle roof, um gym, some wall and ceiling, vinyl floors and refrigerator, electric range, shower tub, and electric lighting and fixtures. I have Mr. David Fox here uh to also assist in answering any
questions that you may have. Any questions for Miss Sherman? Mr. Please you can go just to confirm. So the changes that were made were to some were to help save cost and then some like the HBAC it changed from 14 SE to 15 SE
which is actually a better efficiency rate. So per code it had to get better there. So the Shimo roof um it just limited the amount of sheathing that was required. Um the uh
plumbing and wiring was updated. So it it just helped to kind of narrow the scope a little bit. Yeah. What we did was I went back in there and met with her and um some of the items like the roof she closer to the mic. I'm sorry. David Fox with Fred Fox Enterprise. I met with Miss Perkins and
what did just try to narrow it down to things that we could address to lower the cost, not to lower the scope of work, but to say we're going to do eight sheets of sheathing and maximum. If we go over that, we'll you document it and we'll do a change order. Um the flooring, we're talking virginally about taring all the tile out. She has old tramic tile that's
uneven. But then we looked at it and I looked at some methods and we're actually looking at floating the floor on top of the tile and laying a vinyl. Uh she her her family had bought her a refrigerator since the time we initially bid it. So we're going to take the refrigerator she has that she's got new
one sitting in her in her family room and put it in the kitchen and get rid of the old one. So there are this thing that wasn't big changes but it reduced the cost. Yeah. It it it reduced it fairly substantially. I mean, it was a tangible
difference for sure. Um, all right. Those are all the questions I have for now. Thank you. I just want to just comment and say thank you for that. When I saw the initial bid, it was very alarming because I did see where some of the prices were definitely Yeah.
had a lot of fluff built into them. So, I do appreciate that we're able to save $28,000 to put back in this budget to use on other homes. So, thank you for that. And that's mostly city staff direction going forward. Thank you. Thank you guys. Cool. All right. Any other questions for David or for Blanch? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one?
I did have one item if I can note. Sure. When you do a review, there were some items in the that were required in your housing assistance plan that we must address. Um the award would be conting if awarded upon there's a site specific environmental. You've already done one environmental initially for this program, but every time you do a house,
you got to do what they call a sight specific. So it would be contingent upon approval from Florida Commerce for the site specific, which we're working on now. Um, we contended upon RDC development since you did get two bids or three bids. They were not the low bidder, but they were the lowqualified bidder. The low bidder didn't have all
the documentation needed to be awarded the bid. We just got clarification from say from Florida Commerce that they approved that we're going with the lowqualified bidder, which is the second low bidder. Um, and lowest lowest qualified bidder. Yeah, lowest qualified bid. the bid
amount of 114 92974 was within 15% of my cost estimate and in your HAP plan, your housing assistance plan, your CBG plan, it says you if you exceed $60,000 on a rehab, you will replace you do it as a replacement. Not saying you can't do it, but if you go and exceed that amount,
you just got to say it in your motion that you understand or make it in the minutes that you're going to exceed that $60,000 housing assistance plan maximum for rehab. It's not an issue to do it. It's just it needs to be noted. So when they do a monitoring, they want to make sure that's in the documentation. All right. We need to get that all
and it's listed on the recommendation. Oh, it is. Okay. Yes, sir. Under state recommendation as follows on page uh Okay. All right. So, I need to read all that. Yes. As stated. Okay. All right. Got you. Okay. All right.
Our questions. Uh we got a comment. Okay. Public comment on this. Uh the city of Apakka city council staff report on the summary on page 265.
It states that on the property of 28 West 8th Street, it was rehab. If you go to page 266, the same property 28 West 8th Street, it would rebid it as a
replacement instead of rehab in the tune of uh $238,672. Now, if you look to the top, you'll see one one uh 18 West 8th Street and 708 South Washington Street. Both of those
houses there was built back in maybe the 40s or the 50s. And to rehab them all the way it's 212,915 uh 9,15 $915.
But this house on 28 West Street is a block house. It would it were built much later and is much smaller than the two houses the wooden houses that you tore down. To add to that, if you look at the house
at 28 West 8th Street, a brand new roof been put on the house. Brand new what what they call it? You put the solar panels. Brand new solar panels. Yes, they are. I just passed it.
If anybody want to do Google 28 West 8th Street and look at the house, it's a block house. And matter of fact, the house is not own is a rental property and you going to call me a light. You
going to sit there and shake your head. All somebody got to do is Google the house right now and look at the house. It got a brand new roof. And on the east on the west side of the on the west side of the roof, it have a uh it have the
solar panels up there. That's right across from roofers gardener uh restaurant. And I don't understand how a house going to cost $238,000 when it was much smaller than the two
wooden houses that was built back in the 40s. The only thing need to happen to that house right there is have some kind of stains on the outside. It need to put some killer on it and paint it. So where
is this money going? Is this a way to divert the money? We need those down here. Can I respond? Is it okay if I respond? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. David Fox, Fred Fox Enterprise. Um, the house in question is uh it got under this program. We have a house test
for asbestous and for lead. It it tested positive for both. Originally, it was bid as a rehab, but the cost to abate the asbestous and lead came in so high that we had to re and we brought it to council and then you recommended rebidding it and it was rebid as a replacement and
that's why it's and the solar panels um will be are not they're new and they're with the house. We didn't install them, but under the program we are going to take them down and reinstall them because the owner is still paying on those solar panels. Okay.
All right. Anybody else in the public? Sylvester Hall, Rock Springs Bridge. Uh this is kind of, you know, I I I really can't sit up here and say, you know, when I I look at these things that are taking place
and I just, you know, it just makes you frustrated. When this first happened, if you can go back and roll the tape, I went out, I took pictures of every house and I brought it back to you guys. And I told you uh when you talk to some
of the residents, they're in a tough position because they don't want to talk because, you know, hey, they can get removed from the program. But at that time, they didn't know what kind of house they was going to get. They didn't have no drawings. They didn't have no blueprints. They didn't have anything to showing them what they
was going to be built. And it was a two-bedroom, one bath, and a car porch for $238,000. Well, you can go back and look at the the tape. Blanch was up here and she said, "Oh, no. We're going to change it to a
threebedroom, two bath without going through anything." Now I sit here and I listen to the CRA and one of the biggest thing our city attorney is making sure we have contractors that are not going to take advantage
and the government and the city spending their money taxpayers spending their money in a responsible way in a in an efficient way. And so I'm looking at these homes and you're telling me to rehab a house that's probably less
than 1,200 square foot. You talking about over $100,000. Well, what are we rehabbing with to uh gold toilets? Because I may be boooo the fool, but I watch flip this house to uh and you know
50/50 split blah blah blah where they go in there and rehab the old house and make it look like a million bucks and and it's at a fraction of this cost. Now granted, they get the retail, but we're not selling the retail. We're getting it built wholesale.
So when you look at this and you say 212,000 to re to replace one home, 212,000 to replace another one. And I go and I ask real estate
gentlemen that's in the real estate that actually building homes and uh they can get a three bedroomedroom, two bath, onecar garage for 175,000. So who we open up these contracts to, how we uh how we bidding for them, how
we putting it out there for people to see, it it just it just don't add up. But like I said, we want people to trust the city and the city contractors.
Thank you. Anybody else from the public? Okay. If not, close the public hearing. Look for a motion to award the contract for ITB 2022-199, a rebid of the CDBG Reousing
Rehabilitation Program to RDC Development Corporation. With these contingencies, the award is contingent upon the sight specific environmental review approved by the Florida Department of Commerce. The award is contingent upon RDC development corporation be approved by the Florida
Department of Commerce. The bid amount of 114929.74 is within 15% of the rehabilitation cost estimate of 105700. The bid amount of 114929.74 exceeds the city of Apakka CDBG grant
housing assistance plan HAP maximum rehab amount of $60,000. City staff and Fred Fox Enterprises grant administrator and CDBG grant housing specialist recommend the contract award to RDC Development
Corporation in the amount of 114929.74 exceeds the HAP rehab maximum of $60,000. And that's the motion. Okay. So moved. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All
those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, municipal impact fee rate study results and recommendations. Thank you. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. I have Mr. Henry Thomas and Sean Oacio with Raf Tillis here to present the results of the
impact fee fund studies including the recommendation rate recommended rate increases for council. We're going to take a quick rate. Be right back. Take it. All right. On to business item number
three, municipal impact fee rate study. Blanch. All right. Again, Mr. Henry Thomas and Shauna Oacio with Raft Tillis will present the results of the impact fee study including the recommended rate increases for council
consideration. In 2016, Sean and Henry um worked on the study for the city. At that time, the company was PRMG that created the impact fees that are currently in place for the city police and fire. At that time, the the in the
the rates for the police and fire have not increased since that time. in regards to recreation that they also had did a study in November of 28th of 2016 and the fees that were in place today are still the same fees as the original
fees before then. However, before 2016, the rates for the parks and wreck impact fees was 2415 and they were increased to the 1,60 amount in 2000 in the 2016 study. Just wanted to give you that history because that's one of the questions that was
asked during the workshop. So I think Mr. Sean Oacio is going to do the presentation today. Uh for the record, my name is Shauna Okacio. I'm a senior manager with Reptiles Financial Consultants. I've been working alongside Henry Thomas on the impact fee study for the municipal
services for uh for uh the city. Uh Henry gave this presentation a couple of weeks ago. So I'm going to try to do a good encore presentation following up after him. Uh just a quick agenda for the slideshow this this afternoon. Uh we're going to cover some basics on just uh impact fees
themselves and some legal considerations. We're going to talk about uh the method used to calculate the fees and the major assumptions embedded within the analysis and then talk summary findings and uh recommendations as well as implementation related considerations. So just a little bit of background on
impact fees. These are fees that are paid by new development uh that result in increased demand for municipal services. In the case of this analysis, police, fire and parks and recreation related services. Uh these fees are used to pay for growth related capital facilities and major equipment for those various departments. And these fees are
important to have in your community and have them appropriately sized and updated accordingly because to the extent you have these in place and at an appropriate level, it uh helps mitigate the the the costs that are related to growth being borne by existing residents. So you want to make sure that um there's the the link, you know,
they're um that the growth is paying for itself, if you will. Um, one thing I did want to note, these are fees again paid by new growth and not by existing properties or existing uh, residents. This is for new development or or expansion. Um, some other basics related to impact
fees. Uh, these have to be uh, reasonable and equitable to uh, all parties. There's a what's called a dual rational nexus um, test and essentially what that relates to is that when you're designing impact fees, the costs that are included in the design of the fee have to be growth related and growth
specific. And then um and that's how the fee is designed. And then when you're getting the the revenue side when you're charging these impact fees, the revenues that are collected from growth from the impact fees then have to be used for those growth related projects. So it's trying to tie the design of the fee and and the growth related costs to the growth related projects that the monies
are then going to be used for as growth comes in. Um some other items, these have to be uh the fees have to be designed based on reasonable levels of service that meet the needs of the community. Um and they can't be used to cure any service level deficiencies. So these are they're not to make up any shortcomings in any of these
departments. They're only made to uh account for new growth related expansion costs. So expanding facilities or adding new fire stations or things of that nature. Uh another item that the city does adopt these by ordinance. So there's the the two reading uh process associated with that.
Uh some other background to consider. Um these are these types of fees are governed by the impact fee act um which is section uh 163 of the Florida statutes. Uh that provision was was uh formally created in 2006 although there was quite a bit of case law that was um
in place beforehand. Uh subsequent to to 2006, there have been numerous revisions to the impact fee statutes. Um you know 2009, 2011, all all the dates listed here with some of the bigger changes actually taking place in uh 2021 and some recent ones that are taking effect
uh 2025 currently. Um I won't get into all the the considerations of the impact fee act, but uh some of the requirements are that when you're designing impact fees, the fees have to be based on the most recent and localized data for the community. Uh that rule is is defined as with data that's within past four years. Um so
definitely for the for our purposes, all the data that we're using from the city is within that time frame. We're using your your recent fixed asset records for the police, fire, parks and recreation departments. We're looking at your uh five-year capital plans for those departments as well. Uh we're looking at, you know, uh current staffing
levels, acreages for parks, and so on. So we've definitely um kept to to that provision there. Uh there's some other requirements. Um, I won't go through every single bullet point, but a couple of items here to note. Um, there's a 90-day uh waiting period from when uh fees are adopted and made effective from
when you can actually collect them. So, there's a 90-day or three-month window there that essentially allows for the development community to uh adopt its pricing on on its its inventory to account for any fee increases that would be passed on. Um, one item here, the you know, there's the the burden of proof in
any challenge falls to the city. Um so that's why we try to make sure that we're designing these fees to be very defensible and and that all the data is good and recent and so on and um these fees can't be charged before the issuance of a building permit. So with some of the changes I had mentioned a moment ago um some of the
more recent and and larger ones took place in uh 2021 and they relate to uh how you implement fees uh specifically related to uh phasing in of fee increases as well as a maximum fee level. And so what the the update uh to the statute says is that if you have an
increase that's up to 25% on the existing fee, then that increase has to be phased in over a 2-year period evenly. If you have an increase that's greater than 25% and up to 50%, then that increase has to be phased in over a 4-year period of time evenly. So, you
know, 12 a.5% per year. And then if you have an increase that's, you know, calculated that's higher than that 50% amount, then you're capped at that 50% level. So the maximum increase would be 50% uh on the impact fees. However, uh one thing they also built into the
statute with those changes is something called extraordinary circumstance uh provision. And essentially what what what it's a set of procedural requirements that uh allow you um to uh bypass those phasing requirements and that fee maximum uh component. So
instead of having to phase in up to 50% over four years, you could do an increase in in one solid increase. Um, so, uh, that's, uh, one of the big changes that took place in the legislation there. One thing I'll also mention, I'll elaborate on it a little bit further in a moment, um, is that, uh, one of the other changes in the the
statute was that you can't do a fee increase more than once every four years. So, on the extraordinary circumstance side, um, like I said, it's a set of procedural requirements. Essentially right now the way it's defined is you have to have a demonstrated need study
that essentially justifies uh why you need the increase of over that 50% level and why you need to bypass that phasing requirement of the 2 to fouryear period of time. Um as a part of that process the the the local jurisdiction would have to have two publicly noticed uh workshops specifically devoted to
talking about those circumstances and um and that justified needs study that's um related to that. And then if you move forward under that approach then the the governing body has to pass uh the those increases with a two-thirds vote of the governing body. Um now this those
conditions are going to be changing with some of the recent legislation changes that I mentioned related to 2025 that was per uh SB 1080. And so what's happening there is some of these requirements are changing. For instance, instead of a twothirds vote of the governing body being required to to move forward with a fee implementation under
these circumstances, it would have to be a unanimous vote of the governing body. Um, another change is you no longer can do the full increase in one hit. You would still have to phase it in, but it does give you discretion over whether you would do it over a two or a four-year period. So, you still get the benefit of doing a full increase. You
just still have to phase it and the the the voting requirement is more stringent. And then uh one other thing that that that came with that is if you're going to go um approving increases through the extraordinary circumstance provision, you have to have done a uh fee update
within the past five years. If you're if it's been longer than a 5-year window of time, then you're excluded from using that provision for that next increase. And then, you know, you'd go your four years and then on that next study, that would be when you could uh implement through that approach.
So um going on a little further on extraordinary circumstances. So one of the things though is that uh today they they haven't defined what extraordinary circumstances are. They said that they left it up to the governing body to to make that determination when it comes to that justified need study that I I mentioned a moment ago. Now what I
wanted to mention here in the sub bullet is back in 2023 and then even recently this past year there were attempts at defining what extraordinary is. Um but they were not passed. However, what they did relate to was um requirements related to the growth of the community.
I think in 2023, what one of the requirements that they were going to they tried to put in was that the growth of the community had to be higher than the average growth rate of the state um historically for a certain period of time. In 2025, it was a little more stringent. It had to do with prior growth projections and permitting and
some other um technical items. But um it at least tipped the hand in in a sense of of saying that one of the conditions seems to be related to growth in the community and how it how it relates um when it when it comes to these um extraordinary circumstances. Some common arguments that are being made by by communities that we that we work with
and that we see uh relate to the growth historically of the community being extraordinary in terms of higher than the average of the the state historically. Um and that that growth is essentially what's driving the need in that community for expanding the the services, you know, expanding the police
department, expanding the fire department, adding more acreage for parks and recreation and so on. So, it's tying that high growth rate to the the the projects that are going to be a part of the the fee, if you will. Um, another set of arguments that are also being made that are very common is, you know,
the the current inflationary environment. you know, how high the cost of of construction is now, how high the cost of asset acquisition is right now. Um, you know, we've seen quite a bit of inflation there over the past five years. You know, I believe the the CPI over the past 5 years has been well over 20% you um cumulative. And if you look
at other indices like the construction materials index, that's been well over 40% uh increase in just material costs over the past five years. Um so there's been a lot of inflation in terms of costs that have been impacting the different communities that are essentially extraordinary compared to
historical trends. You know the past five years have been a significant increase there. Um you know just an example uh let's say a standard fire engine you know five six years ago might have been somewhere around a half a million dollars. An engine now goes to threequarters of a million to a million dollars just in the past five six years.
So that's pretty extraordinary considering the the trend over time um compared to now. Uh some other common arguments that are being made relate to what the impact to the community would be if the fees are not adopted or if fees are not adopted at their uh fully
calculated level. Because again like I mentioned on the front end to the extent these fees aren't at the full level that they could be the differential in the cost again assuming that the same projects need to be accomplished would fall then to the the taxpayer and to the residents.
Uh moving past the the legal component, just a quick overview on fee calculation methodology. Essentially what we're coming up with is a cost on a per unit basis. Um and so in order to develop those two main components, cost and units, the one of the first things we
look at is um the cost side or the investment in in the various services that we're looking at whether it's police, fire, parks, and recreation. So we're looking at the all the investment to date, you know, all the assets that are on the books. Um you know, as far as the the accounting records are concerned in the police department, in the fire
department, in the parks and recreation department, and then we're also looking at all the planned future investment in those departments. So what you what new stations are in the next five-year plan, um you know, what new facilities, uh new acreage, things of that nature. And so we're we're getting those cost buckets.
And then from there, there are certain rules um from the statute that say what you can and can't include. So we pair those items that have to be excluded out. Uh they mainly relate to short-lived uh assets um with a useful life of less than 5 years. Um so that is one difference between the analysis
today and the analysis from about eight or nine years ago was back then we could include the equipment and smaller items in an impact fee, but now we can't. So just a little point there. Um so then uh we're getting the cost side. We're looking at your levels of service. You know, in the case of the police
department, we're looking at officers per thousand. Fire department, we're looking at service times. Uh parks and recreation, we're looking at acreage, acreage per thousand. Um and um you know, evaluating that accordingly. And then we're taking the the costs that we talked about, those assets and those
planned future projects, and we're we're breaking them apart between what relates to residential uh costs and what costs are associated with non-residential land uses. And um we do that by looking at uh service call data. So um in the case I'll use police department as the example here. We'll look at the call
data um for the police department for a two three four year period of time and we'll look at how the calls were distributed between residential properties versus non-residential properties as a proxy for demand for the service there. But then on top of that you know call data isn't a perfect perfect representation there because
just because you didn't have a call doesn't mean you still don't need police service or fire rescue service at your disposal. So we also look at developed square footage data as well. We get that uh data from the uh property appraiser where it has a a master roster of all properties for the city and then their land use designations and we can come up
with an estimate there as well. Uh so we'll use that because the thought process being that part of the the allocation can be related to property protection or crime prevention for property as well as you know um fire related responses and structure issues. Um uh another part of the allocation
process and I'll I'll go through it just very quickly is we call it a functional population approach and essentially it's it's the use of trip generation data to try to approximate where people spend their time and the whole purpose of that is if we're looking at differential different non-residential land uses then
you know um pound-for-pound they're not the same with their with respect to their potential demand. So, an example, if you have a 50,000 square foot Publix, um that's going to have a lot of people coming in and out, a lot of traffic, a lot of potential need for either EMS, fire, police services. Whereas, if you have a 50,000 foot, you know, storage
warehouse, that's not going to have the same throughput of people. And so, it's going to have a smaller allocation there. And so, we we use that as well to try to weigh these costs. And those are actually improvements in the the calculation approach since the last study because that data has become more readily available to us. Um so so we
take those costs we allocate them we break them down and then we come up with a a rate when it comes to residential properties on a per unit basis you know house apartment so on and u for non-residential properties it's applied on a per square footage basis
some of the major assumptions uh in terms of the population forecast that we're looking at based on the planning data that was provided to us and some of the historical information from the Census Bureau and other sources. Uh historically there's been a population growth in the city of about two and a half percent per year on an average annual basis. Um which is higher
than the state average which comes in at about a percent and a half. Um on a forward-looking basis when we look at the planning data uh population projection through 2050 is approximately projected about 1.6 1.7% per year. Um with the population going from now the
number here shows 2023 at about 58,000 current numbers closer to 62 63,000. uh projected to increase by about to about 92,000 by uh 20 excuse me 2050. So um some significant growth on the horizon there. And then when it comes to the the
investment side um when we're looking at um the the costs by department, if we look at the existing investment in the police department, that's that's on the the accounting records right now, it's a total of about $10.7 million in assets. So that's including equipment, that's including station, that's including you
know firearms, all the small items, vehicles, you know, everything to get the vehicle in service as well. And with that um again I had mentioned a moment ago there are some costs we have to exclude now. So we can't include that full 10 million and change like we used to. Uh in the analysis we're including
about 4.9 or around $5 million um when we account for that. Um, in terms of the level of service for the police department, based on the the personnel data that we had when when the analysis was initiated, it's about the city's currently providing about two and a quarter officers per 10,000 residents. Uh, that, you know, anecdotally, that's
in line with what we see around the state. Um, you know, the average, I want to say, is around between, you know, 1.9 or two officers per thousand up to two and a half. So, you're you're right in the middle there, uh, on an average basis, and you're you're you're meeting that. Um on the fire side in terms of uh
total assets about $19 million on the books today of which that's included in the analysis is about 15.2 million. And then in terms of the level of service the the target there is uh response time for uh I believe it's first unit on scene of 5 minutes and 20 seconds. And
based on the call data that we were provided uh that's being met about 90% of the time. So that's that's a a solid uh level of service there. Um, on the parks and recreation side, total current investment about 22, excuse me, that's should read 24.7 million of which 22.3
is included in the analysis. And the level of service on acreage there presently is 3 acres per thousand. The city's well exceeding that at a at a total of about just over eight acres per 10,000 residents. Uh, one thing I'll mention on levels of service, um, just to note those, uh,
especially for, uh, for recreation, those vary, I don't want to say wildly, but there's a big variance, um, based on communities, and it's, you know, function of location, what lands available, things of that nature. So, we see some communities that have three, that have two, some that have, you know, seven or 10. That one's unique to the
community, and you get to to to shape that. And right now, you know, even though you're targeting three, you're providing eight. uh shifting our lens to to look a little more forward on the cost side in terms of the the multi-year capital plan. When we look at the police uh CIP or capital improvement program, total plan includes
about 86 million, excuse me, $86.1 million in projected costs. Um of which about 80 million is is currently included in the analysis. The bulk of that relates to the public safety complex or the allocation of it that's police related which is about $54.5 million. And then there's also a police
officer training facility that's included as well, about $25 million. Uh for the fire department, total capital plan is about um just under $51 million of which about uh 41.8 million are included. Again, the reason for the inclusion exclusion has to do with the
equipment rules and also is the project expansion in nature or is the project replacement of an existing asset. So, uh, you can't use it to replace like kind, but you can use it to upgrade and you can use it to expand facilities and equipment there. Um, larger equipment.
Um, so the share of the public safety complex for the fire department is about 32.3 million of that number. And then station 7 is about 6 million of that. That's just the facility itself. If we look at also um the engine associated with that and ambulance, there's another 900,000 for the engine and about 500,000
for the ambulance. A little less there. Um on the parks and recreation side, uh total planned improvements of about just under $17 million. On this one, only about 26.1 million are included. The the bulk of the the projects there are are
rehab related or or um you know up of existing facilities, but what's in there that's new that can be included of that that's 26.1 million. There's land acquisitions. Um there's a new soccer field at one of the facilities about $2 million there. A new tennis and pickleball court about $2.4 million
there. Uh there's also some some other smaller items. You know, I believe there's some one of the projects is upgrades for for ADA. Um there's some lighting upgrades and and some other items as well. These were just the bigger ticket items on there. So, in terms of the the existing and uh
proposed or calculated police impact fees, uh currently what you have right now is a a a one-size fee or if you will for all residential units. So whether it's a multif family unit, whether it's a single family unit, uh the the that property would have paid an impact fee
of $747 uh per unit. Um one of the things we're proposing aside from uh the the increases um based on the the updated cost data is also breaking apart uh that land use category from just an all-in um residential to residential multif
family. And just to differentiate the fees there a little bit as well, recognizing that in terms of average occupancy per unit, there's more on a single family basis than on a on a per multif family unit basis. Uh the fees would be increasing to $1,262
for single family or to $1,09 for multif family. Uh the far side column is just showing if you were to go with the the maximum increase you could do with the statute up to 50% that would be where you would be limited. So instead of going to 1262 for a single family, you'd
be limited to 1120. But on the multif family side, you could still get the full amount because it's still within 50% of the first number. Um in terms of the land uses for non-residential, you'll see um industrial warehousing going from 7 cents to about 14 cents. Uh institutional going from about 54 cents
down to just under 33 cents per square foot. Hotel motel going down, excuse me, going up from 54 cents per square foot to$123. uh office building going from about 29 cents to a dollar about$133 and change and retail going from a dollar per
square foot to about $4 per square foot. And um the reason for these changes again relates to what we talked about a little while ago on that functional population side and it's those waiting factors that we have the the trip generation data uh improvements that have been made and again trying to
recognize that differential that I mentioned using the example of say the Publix with the warehouse. You'll see the retail category has the higher fee per square foot. again representing the the higher potential demand for service there while industrial warehousing, you know, 14 cents a square foot. Um, and
then there's a a catchall rate for very unique properties. If something doesn't fit one of these, um, then there's some discretion to go to from the 41 cents to the 81 cents increase there. So, that's uh that's an increase on the I'll just use uh residential for
comparison purposes. Um, so oops, wrong way. So on the next slide here, you'll see a comparison um again of different communities that we surveyed. The average um of the municipalities surveyed was in it was a rate of about $45 per residential unit or $45.68.
Um currently you're on the on the upper end of that comparison at currently at $747 per dwelling unit. And that would be um at the fully calculated level that would go to the 1262 that you see there. Uh, one thing I'll I'll mention here, there are a number of communities that
are going about the process that you are right now of of updating these fees and trying to account for for increased capital costs and those sorts of items. Um, you know, the lowest one on the comparison here, the city of Deltona is one of those communities that's actually just engaging a study to to start that process. Um, and so there's there's some
others. Um, one thing I did want to also note is on this comparison, the ones that seem to sit a little above the average. Um, those are ones that are communities that have actually had more recent updates to their impact fees. So, an example there would be the city of Claremont. They did an update about two years ago. Um, so they have a bit more
recent capital cost built in. So, they shifted a little higher on the comparison there. Um, and that's the case with uh Port Orange as well, City of Okoi. They've all done some some fairly recent updates to their impact fees and and had increases there. Um, ask a couple questions on this one real
quick. Yeah, sir. This one just shows the This isn't showing the cap. This is if it was the full fee that we could realize. Yes, sir. Which we cannot. Correct. Well, we're going to discuss if we can or can't. Yes, sir. Okay. And then these are fees, these
comparisons to your point, you were answering a lot of my questions. So, that was I appreciate that. These are from probably 2024 then most of these cities or where's this data? Um, these would be around probably late 2024, early 2025. Okay, so it's recent enough. So, some of
these probably could fall into the more than 50% if they've already increased it. They could too kind of double or triple if depending on where they're at. Excuse me. Yes, sir. Um, I believe Claremont went through the extraordinary circumstance process when it came to
implementing their fees about two years ago. Okay. So we could see this chart grow drastically change and probably will in the near future. Yes, sir. Okay. And and one of the other things that the comparison also doesn't really show is, you know, the community always has the the governing body has the the perview
to choose to cap it at a certain level, you know. Um I think the city actually did that back in the 2016 study where it was maybe 80% and then the next year was the full amount. Um so that does that isn't shown here. It's just a snapshot. Understood. Thank you.
Uh on the fire impact fee side, again, similar story. Uh breaking apart the residential into single family and multif family. And you'll see there the the fee on a perunit basis currently is $78 per residential unit. That would increase to $1,511
um for a single family uh property or uh $1,28 for multif family units. Again, with the with the cap in place, that would uh be capped at um $1,62 per unit. Um you'll see the the different land uses for non-residential properties as well. Um some of them are increasing,
some of them are decreasing again. Uh just a rebalancing, but overall what you'll still see is is a general increase across the board. Um you know, let's say industrial warehousing going from 7 cents a square foot to just under 13 cents a square foot and retail going from 64 cents a square foot to $3.56
and and change uh per square foot. Um you know again the the increases here um for on the residential side it's about an increase about 113% whereas the other one was about I believe 69%. Um you know same story for for this comparison as well. Um there are communities that are
currently looking into this you know it's a snapshot in time but it would move you you up uh on the comparison uh presently um you know to uh the 1500 level. Um, one thing for a bit of a sense of scale that I I I wanted to mention on police, but I'll mention it here. You know, in terms of uh assets on
the books for for the police department, like I mentioned, it's about $10.7 million currently with a capital plan that was it closer to 88 million or so. So, you have a lot of cost that's being built in. So, you're seeing that jump up in the comparison. The same thing here.
You have about $19 million on the books for the fire department today, but the capital plan, what we're including is about $42 million. So, some significant investment over the near term that's causing uh these increases. On the parks and recreation side, the fee would be going from uh $1,60 per
unit to $1358 per unit. If it's a single family property, if it's a multif family, then it would be going to uh 1086. Uh this one, there is no non-residential component because these fees are only paid by residential development uh not by non-residential.
Um the comparison here it is moving up but it's still below the average of the surveyed communities. Uh the average is about $168 from what we surveyed. So you would still be below that level. Um but you'll see um some some folks I'll use the example uh the city of Palm Coast
just updated their impact fees for recreation two months ago give or give or take. Um and so that bumped them up as you can see there to to the high end. City of Claremont did their study about two years ago that bumped them uh to there as well. So again, just snapshot point in time.
So if we take all those fees and add them together, um the overall comparison, you're about right in line with the average, just a little above it, um with the survey average of about 24.28 uh per residential uh unit. That would be increasing in total across the
the three fees to $4,131 uh per residential unit. So, with respect to to implementation, you know, we're talking about increases in the residential fees that are ranging between 35 and 113%. Um, the non-residential side, you know, between
64 and up to 452%. Again, it varies by those land uses and and the swings there. Um, it's it's hard to compare the non-residentials against other municipalities because they have different land use categories. Some break them out further, some, you know, have just very few. Um but there those
are um some significant increases that we're looking at and you know as I mentioned earlier at the front end of the presentation that's you know these are generally above the 50% capping threshold of the statute that that it allows under you know standard normal circumstance. So when it comes to implementing uh these fees there's
essentially two main options. There's uh using the the statutory approach the standard approach capping at the 50% increase and phasing up to that um over a four-year period of time. Again, the the what I'll call the the catch here is that, you know, um in that period of
time, the fees are going to be under recovering over that four-year window and never actually get to the fully calculated level even by the end of that phase in period. So, to the extent the same projects need to be accomplished, that's going to fall to your existing residents to to cover those items. Um the alternative is then to pursue a full
one-time increase through the extraordinary circumstance u provisions and and those procedural requirements that we talked about. So, with that, there's um a couple of other items that um we'll speak to. There's um some I mentioned there were some legislation changes in 2025 that
have uh recently taken place. There's SB 1080 and this is the one that I mentioned that changes how extraordinary circumstance works. So, going from a two-thirds vote to a unanimous vote, um going from a allet one-time increase to a phased in increase and so on. Um, so one of the things that's built in here
is that if the like I had mentioned, if the fees haven't been updated in more than five years, you can't use the extraordinary circumstance provision. So now the the concern here is if if the you know, we're in in August now. If um you know, you have until January for it
to um before that provision takes effect. So if you wait that long um to that period of time, you won't be able to get the full increase just because it's been more than five years since the last update. So it is something that you know time is um a bit of the essence there. Um but then the the more um I'll
call it complicated one relates to SB 180. And the concern here is there's some language in in that bill. Um and I I noted here I'll just uh read it verbatim. You know for one year after a hurricane makes landfall an impacted local government may not propose or adopt restrictive or burdensome procedure concerning review approval or
issuance of a site plan build uh development permit or development order. So the the concern here could be could an argument be made that the payment of an impact fee although not specifically listed in that list of terms. It's a part of a permitting process. So could
someone say increasing of an impact fee could um be in violation of this um bill. Um, that being said, um, the language is pretty broad and it's so new, we don't know how it, um,
Sean, can we just kind of cliff and so so Cliff, a couple of questions for you. Okay. Talk about those two the two bills, but also if looking at the rates that we're the police and fire, we're above everybody else, right? Does that put a target on us from the
state? Uh well, it puts a target on you from lawyers and lawyers are being backed at this point as you know if you read what's going on in Orange County by by the state saying, "Yeah, the lawyer's right, you're wrong." Um now, it has something to do with it's Orange County and the Orange County, you know,
political makeup is a little bit different than others. Uh and that's certainly an impact on the way they view things over there. But having said that, um, yeah, it's an issue because when you say what's whether something is more restrictive or burdensome,
you know, to me, if if today, just pulling the number out of the air, my impact fee per new unit was 5,000 and tomorrow it's eight, that's an impact. It's more burdensome and potentially restrictive on my ability to get a building permit. Now, was that the
intention of the legislation? It shouldn't have been if we're really talking about storm water storm issues, but that's in fact what it is. And so I've had this come up in cases where I'm at serving as mediator. I'm not going to identify any of the parties, but this is
an open question. And I've seen developers say, "Yeah, if you do that, we're going to take it as a violation and take you to court over it. Or if you can resolve it with us, this other issue, then we'll pay your extra impact fees and we'll take you to court." So that there's there's an argument to be
made. It is undetermined. The only way I think it will get determined is either with litigation or with an AG opinion that puts some clarity on it. The argument to be made for what it's worth that that this wasn't intended to to involve impact
fees is that there's a specific mention in a specific section of SP 180 that talks about impact fees. And the the argument, the legal argument be is since they called it out here and and said essentially you you only have to pay
them on u new construction in this sort of limited area, then therefore they clearly were aware of it, were mindful of it, and if they wanted to include impact fees other places, they would have used that terminology. But if I was the one who was making that argument, I would say the best I could give you is a
50/50 shot and maybe less than that. So, it's very hard to say. It would be my advice to you even if you accept this study that we don't be the guinea pig. Well, that that's for sure. Is there any anything else?
Yeah. So, Attorney Shepard, thank you for that opinion on that. I I guess this just how I read it, again, not an attorney by any means. It's just it's a burdensome procedure. So, it's not talking about fees and permitting. is talking about the procedure to get there, right? And then I if that if the
debate is if a increased fee is a burden is part of burdensome, then you could say any fee is part of burdensome. So I guess what when does that stop? But the issue is the issue is uh more burdensome. And so the the way it works in terms of impact fees, and I'm sure
John can correct me if I'm wrong, but the way it works is I can't get a permit unless I pay a certain dollar amount. Now the dollar amount before the storm is X. The dollar amount now because of whenever new fees went in place is a lot higher than X. Is that more burdensome?
I don't know. But you're it is a bigger burden for me to get my permit for sure because if I used to have to pay four, I have to pay eight or used to have to pay three and now I have to pay seven. Whatever the difference is, that's an argument. And so if you are going to go down the road, you just have to be aware
that you might become the test case. I I it's not that I wouldn't make the argument you're saying. I'm just telling you that it's going to be hard when I suspect but don't know that the folks who passed the legislation in Tallahassee would take the position, oh absolutely this is more burdensome
because they're taking that position right now with stuff that was done in Orange County. And so I I just I'm I would be foolish to tell you, oh, they didn't mean impact fees because I don't know. I think it's an open question and I
think probably it will get solved in the next legislative session because I know I'm not the only one and because I said as I said I've mediated cases involving this issue. Um the developers lawyers aren't sure but they're they're they're chomping at the bit to find out because
you know these significant increases are not uncommon if you haven't had a stud in a long time and is it more burdensome now to get my permits because I got to pay more money that I didn't anticipate. But this is speaking burdensome procedure. So it's a more burdensome procedure. It's not just saying more
burdensome, but a procedure. And we're already paying fees. So it doesn't slow down the again, we're debating the same thing that we you'd debate be debating anyway. So what I'm saying I'm not I I'm trying to tell you that the arguments you're making are the ones that will be made, but there's no case I can point to.
There's no AG opinions I can point to. And the statute itself does not say. So it's the basically we don't know. And then it goes back to us of are we willing to take on the risk of potentially litigating, correct, and taking on those costs versus the weight of all these other projects that
need to be accomplished that we haven't planned for. And and like I said, you you maybe nobody challenged. Maybe it's not an issue, but we've been recently through some threats of lawsuits where somebody applied beforehand, if you remember the cases I'm talking about, and said, "Well, black, my application
was in before the fees went up and therefore I should be charged the older rate, which was a substantial difference, and they were ready to sue about that." Well, this is even stronger in a way than that. Um, at least in terms of the argument. Having said that, I want to be clear. I love litigation.
It's just my clients don't. So, I'm happy to get involved in this case and hopefully it doesn't become a case, but I just need to give you fair warning about the possibility. Yeah. And my goal is obvious not to litigate in any capacity, but at the same time, it's to protect our residents that are here and still it's the it's
that conversation of level of service we need to still provide. So, I guess it's from the sentiment I'm getting, you tell me otherwise, you're saying we should not be increasing more than 50% at this point. What what I'm saying is if we do and we're the ones that are challenged,
we might not want to be the test case. If we can wait and see a little bit, you know, put it off down the road a little bit and see what is happening, see if we get a clarity either in the next legislative session or, you know, maybe there will be an AG opinion. Maybe we will, if you want us to request one, we
can request one. I think that'd be advantageous to get that. My my concern with kind of kicking the can down the road is that just that we continue to do this and this is the all these buildings and all these projects are only going to get more expensive for us. So we're not seeing any increase or decrease in savings in
any of our projects. I agree. I I look the other there's we just talked about the the this whether it's more burdensome or not. There's a specific uh restriction which we talked about about not being able to use moratoriums which have been used as long as there's been land use to allow you to make good
decisions by taking the time to figure out whether zoning needs to be changed or codes needs to be changed. Can't do that now. So, so I thought that was a curse word now. Yes. To say that. So, yeah. So, so that's our problem is and really as our board that's what we need to decide is there's
a risk on both sides of this is do we not ruffle feathers do less than what is actually needed for our residents and for future development or do we ruffle the feathers potential litigation but not it's not guaranteed at all that it's possible but also budgeting for what we actually need
the needs of our first responders and and um parks and w things of that nature. So that's our discussion we need to be having because the It's a I don't know basically at this point. Yeah. And I don't have anything to point to because you know the one thing that
people love to do to lawyers, not just me, is say, "Well, that that's just your opinion." Accurate. It is just my opinion. And I can't point to anybody else's opinion because there is a Sure. Commissioner Smith, I was trying to figure out the 90day
thing. Uh because once we pass it, we cannot start charging fees until 90 days after we pass the law. So, if I'm figuring it correctly, if we wait to see if someone else did it first and if whether they were going to be
challenged, if we waited until October that we could still start charging the fee before the January 1st deadline, you you could and you and and because it wouldn't be effective at minimum for 90 days doesn't mean you can't extend the
period of effectiveness to longer than that to wait and see for I don't know the legislative session. Or like I said, you could request your own AG opinion. I imagine somebody in this state is going to. I just don't know who yet and it's I haven't seen it. It's always an iffy
proposition when you catch an AG opinion because the first thing we got to do is you have to provide them the analysis of what you think the law is. And then they essentially tell you, yeah, you're right or no, you're wrong. But now that means I have to take a position. Well, on your behalf, I would take the position. If I
wasn't representing a developer, I would take the position that yeah, this doesn't and there's the specific language that deals with impact fees separate and apart and therefore if they really intended it to apply to all impact fee increases, they would have said nothing. That's a good argument based on statuto interpretation. But
there's no guarantee that that's a winning argument. Okay, Commissioner Vasquez. pretty much the Tallahassee has kind of tied our hands and we don't want to be the first ones out of the gate
showing that we have the highest impact fee uh increase at this point. But then we don't want to sell ourselves short because we we haven't we haven't done this impact fees since 2016.
Um we've kind of lost out by not doing so. I mean it's water under the bridge now, but now we have Well, it is also true that based on this this bill that it would have gone all the way back to August 1 of 2024. So
even if we had done it months ago, we'd still be in the same boat because it's got a look back provision which in and of which in and of itself is questionable, but it's in there. Most things are not legal if they're retroactive, but they put that in this
bill. So he uh Mr. Sean is saying that other cities right now are kind of deciding where they're going to increase their impact fees right now. So from what I'm
understanding, what Commissioner Smith is saying is kind of wait for someone else to come out of the gate first. Yeah. I It's either that or if you want to be sure as sure as we can be, go get an AG opinion. I'm an a an a attorney general's opinion
where you essentially say here's this bill and here's our question. Our question is does this mean we can't raise our impact fees until 2027 or whatever the deadline is the final date on the bill and then the AG will look at our analysis and then provide an
analysis. They have to respond from a city attorney inquiry. Not a developer can't get an a opinion but a city can't. The county can. Okay. Commissioner Anderson, I recommend that the city attorney
provide an we're in the dark. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. So, so Henry and and Sean, if you're looking at this the rates where we're we're are you do you see them as defensible?
Forget about our attorney over there for a minute. From just a perfectly good policy, do you see that our rates are defensible from in a court situation? And obviously courts can do what they do, but would you be comfortable going
to a court and say the the rates that they have asked for are commissionerate with the increased uh services that are needed by the city of Apakka, the new growth that is coming to city? Uh yeah, I I think I think the big issue
there if there is a question there would be the necessity for some of the facilities that are in the plan. So it says we need to have a a facil we we need to have a definitive statement from the fire department from the police department about those facilities and
the importance of the need. That's that's would be essential to it. But other than that it's based on the cost and an unfortunate of the cost. So I I think uh well that's my question then. So we we've justifying like the we know the police department that building is it's
you know it's being held up by you know bailing wire and but so we know it's in bad shape and the although the the fire department's you know that that building it take a nuclear bomb to take it out. It's it's still old and decrepit and the you know the the dispatch area is is you
know out of out of date and and needs you know complete overhaul. So I I'm just trying to get a not because if I if we don't take put the buildings in there then I don't need you. I mean, as far as, you know, you going to court for us is how
do I say, "Okay, Henry, you and Sean, here, you know, we've we've shown you what we think we need in the future for the future growth. Can you say to the to the attorney on the other side what the city of Apopka has has presented is is
appropriate for the growth that they they are anticipating." Yes, sir. And one thing I'll it's real important to point out to you is that these impact fees are not going to fully pay for these facilities we're talking about. Correct. So they're only going to pay growth
share and that's the key to it being a valid fee. Right. So I mean in that in your argument it would be you know we're we're only for the the public safety building is let's say it's 100 million bucks that you know we've got the police and fire impact fees will pay I don't I know we've got a number 30 or 40%
whatever that number is and then the the general public the the the existing members of the public and con including commercial will pay for the other 60 or 70% over time and correct a and keep in mind that all of these all
the fee categories that you're looking at. Again, the nexus of aortionate between existing and future is based on the population factors and such. So, it's it's pretty much arithmetic, but the key here is we only put facilities
in that the statute allows. Okay? So, that part we're good that part we're good on. Right. And that we aortion them appropriately. Right. Right. Okay. I I mean, I just You know, I just want to be sure that we we are on solid ground on our our the methodology which
y'all are using. Obviously, the courts can, you know, do what the courts are going to do. But, I mean, if we want to go forward with a with an impact fee increase, we are in a position where you feel comfortable going to court and and you know, defending AOPKA for the capital
improvements that are needed for the growth that's coming to Apakka. Yes, sir. And on that comparison chart, you looked at uh a number of those committees have hired us to do that. One being Claremont. And if you look at Claremont's uh uh uh fire fee, it's
right up there with Apopkas because of the new facilities they're wanting to bring in and partially fund from growth. And that was captured in the fee and it was adopted under extraordinary circumstances. So, it's fully in and it hasn't been
challenged yet. I'll say that. Not to say it won't be, but Sure. Sure. So, so, so, Cliff, if if we went to, let's say, the 50% increase, right? Between now and the 90 days, we could also rescend it, right? You could
rescend it or you could say we're going to extend the effective date. Instead of 90 days, we'll make it 120 or 150 or 180. You could do that, too. So that you are delaying the effective date until you have some some some idea about it.
I'd like to see us go up and then you know and then we can always we can always but f first of all we'd have to do a whole another study if we wait till you know middle of next year. So you know and to be clear I'm not I'm not at all commenting on the the proety of the fee.
Correct. I just dealing with a law here that has nothing to go except language. And again, if you understand that order of operations, you don't get to pull a permit until you pay the fee. So, is that a procedure where I got to pay more to get the permit? Is that in fact a
more burdensome procedure? That's the argument. Oh, I'm I'm sure that's the way they'll interpret it, but I mean they their last couple years have been pretty Yes. apparent. So, so mayor, one one strategy would be if you go and take the
the basic uh offer that the the legislation give the legisla uh legislative rules give you and just do a phase in at 50%. That would be an increase significant increase over time.
And again, the only downside of that and just so you'll because there the you saw how many times they've updated that that that uh bill. The only downside is you can only do the study now once every four years. So once we lock into that,
we can't come back and say, "Okay, we want to now do a hearing extraordinary circumstances and adopt it all." We're going to have to wait four years to tackle it. Then I I think we either go big or go home. I think you do the 50% and we, you know, if we can get the votes and and then we
look in 60 days and see where we're at and and then if we need to bring it at the council meeting and but uh so the first meeting in October, is that right? And um if we have to, you know, rescend it or or punt it, you know, for another
30 days or 60 days. But, you know, it's obviously, you know, the council's prerogative. Anyway, any other questions before we have I think I I think the downside of kind of extending it as the city attorney
said is that once the developers get that we are looking to do the maximum they're going to start rushing in here to to kind of file uh new developments and that and then you know be under the old
impact fees uh schedule. That's the other downside. Well, they're going to do that anyway. They did that when we did we raised the fees on transportation last time. So, I mean that that's just nature of the beast. Absolutely. They'll do that. So we can't make it a record act with
August of 2024. No sir. So all right. Well, let's let's get public comment and we'll bring it back to the council and then uh make a decision. Albert McKim 360 Golden Gem Road. I
possibly am wrong, but I remember we had a discussion on some impact fees within the last couple of years. can't remember what that was about and how it how it would uh affect what we're currently doing. Also my interpretation that that once we start going down the road of doing
things then we're locked in for for four years. You know when I looked at the table up there the first question I was asking are we comparing apples with apples? Because when you extrapolate data from a table you have to be comparing like with
like. Uh I don't know if that data was based on cities were smaller than Apopka or cities that are larger than Apopka. And that's going to make a difference how we relate to what's going on because with growth impact fees does doesn't
necessarily run in a linear fashion. It doesn't mean that you double in size and you're going to double the cost. In actual fact, I suspect that impact fees uh compound
to a much higher level with the increase in growth. They'll grow exponentially rather than a linear fashion. So I think that when we're faced with a large amount of growth, I think we should be looking at at being
aware that perhaps we ought to air on the higher side because if we think it's going to be linear, I'm almost sure it's not because with expansion, you always need management. And you know
sometimes you can you can manage to survive without a a lot of the the basic manage management infrastructure that you suddenly need when you grow. Bear in mind the percentage of growth that we expect over the next 5 years. It's
significant. Anybody else from public? Yeah, Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Uh, yes, it just to me this flags again my favorite word, infrastructure. We should be looking I come from a
healthc care background. Every year you have to look at what's Medicare doing, what's Medicaid doing, what are our contract therapy companies doing, what are we doing with our insurance car carriers. We have to look at that every year. If you can only change it once every four, it's no excuse to not look
at it every year. The fact that we've gone since 2016 just spells that I word again, infrastructure. I also looked at what, unless I misinterpreted what I saw up there, there's room in the parks and wrecks to actually go a little bit higher. I think we should do it. I'm at
the, as you know, the Northwest Recreation Complex every day and we've got need for fields now, multi-purpose fields. We have needs for softball and baseball fields that need to be expanded now. And if nothing else, to provide for
space to rest the fields so they're not destroyed. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Close the public hearing and look for some direction from the council. I'll move that we accept the recommendation from the study that was
done. All right. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith, second by Commissioner Velasquez. Any other discussion? Not. All in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Thanks, Henry. Thanks, Sean. Appreciate your help.
Bradley, proposed mountain bike. Rad the Williams interim city administrator. Uh this afternoon I've got an item here for the propo for a proposed mountain bike park. Um over the last several months uh the parks and recreation department community development
department have been working together on a possible mountain bike park located on city property acquired from Orange County at 1102 AOA Popka Road. That property is 14.6 6 acres and provides topography and natural elements conducive to development into a mountain
bike park. Uh a little project history to date. Uh we acquired the property from Orange County. Uh a presentation was given to city council back in February of this year highlighting uh the concept plan uh that you see on the
screen. At the 72 city council meeting, uh possible land swap discussions were uh brought forward and further discussion was brought at the 77 budget workshop. At that workshop, council requested some additional information on the future land use and zoning of not only the
property directly south to this parcel, which is owned by the Ridge Self-S Storage LLC, but also a city property on Harmon Road, the north side of Harmon Road. So, I do have Bobby uh here. he can give an update on the future land use and the zoning of those two
properties. Thank you, Bradley. So, the Ridge Ridge self-s storage parcel, and I'll highlight it here. It is this piece just to the south of what's called Emory Drive. You probably see it a little bit better. It's on the black piece just south of the Orange County piece. About
two years ago, uh the developers came in and reszoned the property and changed the future of land use to industrial to allow self storage as permitted use. That's only a permitted use in the industrial zoning. Um the city owned parcel on Harmon Road has a future land
use of mixed use and is owning a mixeduse eastshore gateway. And that is over here. This piece on the north side of Harmon Road, piece on the south side is the piece that the city owns with the cell tower on it. It's my understanding the property in question is the one on
the north side of Harmon Road. The mixed use future land use permits a maximum density of 15 dwelling units per acre and a floor area ratio or how much building coverage can go on a property of one meaning the whole entire site. And that's per the comprehensive plan. That district is intended, the zoning
district is intended to allow a range of uses including multifamily retail gas stations and largescale retailers when out parcels end street. self storage is not a permitted use in that zoning district. So that's kind of it on the land use side of things.
Uh thank you Bobby. And there's the future land use map and the zoning map showing properties surrounding those areas as well. Uh some proposed project details. Uh the Southern Off-Road Bicycle Association known as Sorba. Uh we've had them at
council before. uh they're interested in supporting the project. Uh Apaka Centerline Development LLC, which is the owner of the ridge and the ridge self-s storage property, they're interested in de and supporting this project. Uh we do have recreation impact fees available for development of the park. We did
bring that forth in the FY26 budget proposal for the recreation impact fees at $500,000. Some benefits of uh going this route, uh it would develop a piece of city-owned land uh into a useful natural recreational facility. Uh the southern
portion of the city uh has identifi has been identified as needing additional park acreage as well. The closest comparable facility to this would be the mountain door facility. Um the park the property with the addition
of the ridge self storage uh property uh has the potential to create a a nice regionalsized park. So, not only serving the residents in the city, but also an attractive uh location for uh visitors from throughout Central Florida area.
Uh and as Bobby mentioned, the Ridge Self Storage LLC property is zone light industrial and and so that comes with many different types of industrial uses uh which would convert that land from the natural uh
state that it's currently in. proposing some next steps uh to uh proceed with appraisals of the Ridge self- storage LLC parcel and the city property on Harmon Road uh for the viability of a possible land swap for uh
acquisition of the self uh storage property. Uh staff would also develop a memorandum of understanding with Sorba uh which we'd look to execute in October of this year after the budget uh is finalized. uh obtain a site design quote
from one of our continuing service engineers to to help us be the overall um design of the park and then either execute a land swap or acquisition of the ridge self- storage parcel. Again, uh adding that that's uh ridge self
storage is about 12 acres additional. Uh and I did mention in the agenda prep meetings with you all that the ridge um developer has also uh indicated uh to staff that they are interested in uh including some additional space to the
west of our property between the two lakes that are on their property to expand the park in that direction. So if you add all those parcels together we're just under a 40 acre. It would be just under a 40acre park, about 38 acres.
And this is a a sample of what Mark Woods has been working on um and some pictures of what some of the activities in the park uh look like. And I do have I know I showed it at the last meeting, but I do have a little video of a biker at the park in Mount
Dora. I'll just play that real quick. There's uh and I do have Sue here from Sorba. She can she can also uh pro provide some insight. But uh basically these parks, they use topography uh changes in elevation. They'll also uh
design these little wooden u ramps and and bank and maggments to um work work your way down the park. So at that Sue if you'd like to. Yes. Just one question Rabbi ask you. Which
property who owned that? Uh Centerline Development Center Line, right? Okay. Thank you, uh, Commissioner and, um, mayor. Thank you for having me. Um, I was here last time. Uh the Markham Woodids, uh we had that built uh a few
years ago. It was a professional build. It's a little skills park area and it's been a big success. Uh it's used by kids of any age all the time. So, uh it does bring people. Um I wanted to bring up
Bentonville, which is a perfect example. uh they've spent a lot of money there and bike tourism is has a significant economic uh drive for any region and their numbers right now that people spend like $27 million a year going to Bentonville. So it's number one in the
world. Um so build it and they will come. It will happen. Um I wanted to go back to the other slide. Um your the first diagram. Yeah, that okay. Um, so the the blue
line that's labeled um it's a blue trail. So just like in in uh skiing, you have a a green trail, a blue trail, and a black trail. So it's kind of the same levels. So the blue trail, well the green trail is easiest, blue is a little harder, and then you get to the black trails, which is a whole different
story. But um something that I think is really important to add to this are adaptive trails, and that's for people with disabilities. Um we do have a uh an adaptive rider on our board. His name is Brian and he has a um a group called
Adaptive MTB Trails Project. So he is trying to uh get more adaptive trails built because really these people have nowhere to ride right now. Um I think that's a key aspect to something like this. And the other thing is we don't have any type of park like this. And I
don't want to say just in central Florida, but in Florida I can't think of any. So this would have a huge impact. It would definitely put Apakka on the map. People will come. Um we we currently maintain eight trails and Mount Dora is one of them and it's a
very popular trail. They've done a lot with a little bit of space. Um so again, build it and they will come. I I think it the impacts are um tourism and recreational potential,
community wellness. It's multi-use. It'll be sustainable, which is where you have uh professional builders come in, or we can come in, we can help build, we can help guide, and we would help maintain the trail. Like I said, we have eight trails that we maintain. It's a lot of work, but we love doing it because we love riding them. So, um I I
I really we're excited and um would love to see it happen. Sue, any any ideas how many people use the Markham Woods Trail or andor the Mount Door Trail? Okay. So, today is Wednesday. We have Wednesdays at Markham
uh at 6:30. We will have 60 plus people. Wow. So, at the end of the ride, um we'll have a little social. We have bike shops that are all a part of this. So, tonight is uh Retro City Cycles. They're in
city. They're in Orlando and Longwood. They're going to do the post ride meal. So, we have the support of all the bike shops. Um, so Wednesday nights are our big night and then uh Mount Dora is Thursday night and that has the uh Adrenaline Bike Works bike shop. So
afterwards we go there for post ride. But um that will probably bring in 20 to 30 people on a Thursday night. And we have group rides every night that are promoting and bringing in more and more people. Um and then we like beginners and kids and I have a ladies night ride.
Um, so it's all about the community and all the people and and bringing everybody together, which mountain biking really does, and cycling in general. Any questions for Radley or for Sue? I have a quick question. So Sue, in regards to the Markham Woods Trail, do you have any like a for the total cost
the estimate of total cost for the entire for the pump track for the Skills Park trail? So the Skills Park is on Seminal County property and then the Markham Trail is Wakiva State Park. Okay. So it's two different entities. um the skills park uh seminal county
paid for I think it was I think it was about um I can't remember the cost 20 million to no I'm drawing a blank um that was on seminal county but the Markhamm woods trail that we have
built and maintained it's all volunteer there's there's no money on it do we have the estimated cost of the total trail it's it's yeah it's not professional Yeah. So, this is this is was just a preliminary concept design with the ask for the $500,000 to do development of
the park. Um, bringing in a group like Sorba to help actually build and maintain the natural parts of the trail. And then there was discussion on this uh site plan uh of either a pump track or a little skills course. If you look at comparison to what we just did
at the skate park, uh that was about $500,000 for that whole park. Um, but that included the skate park. Yeah. And the Markham was 100,000. Sorry, I had the the numbers wrong. Uh, but that was a professional build. It
was American Ram Company. They they prefabricated everything and they brought it in. Semino County got bids and they had that built. Um, so that was a little different. Um, the other thing I did want to bring up is the city of Castleberry just built wheels park one
and two. One is on the east side with a mountain bike skills uh uh VA Solutions pump track and then on the other side is a skate park. So they're uh on each side of the road. And yeah, I've been to that park. It's it's uh it's massive. It's massive and it's very popular very
quick. Yeah. Um Yes. My grandson comes from myar up here so I can take him to Cabbury. Yeah. It came out really nice. Yeah. Yeah. So, um,
really the proposed next steps before we, uh, dive any further into this project, we'd like to get some direction on if this is a project the council would like us to continue exploring. Um, with that in mind, if we would like to
achieve a regionalized park, we'd like to do the appraisals on the properties, see what that comes back at to see if there's a viable option to do a land swap or a sale or a purchase. Um and then Sorba uh we'd come back with them with anou to help help us with the uh
so um my concern is because I I did say this at the agenda review. I I'm a proponent for green space parks. I think parks are so important in communities and we're growing so fast and uh there's
not enough parks for our uh for our growing city. But my concern is that last night I turned on channel 9 and channel 9 says we already have this. How did they get the story? Channel 9 was like, "Oh, city of Apopka is interested
and not interested. We're actually purchasing this property to do the bike." And then it and I was really surprised by it. So I said, "How did how did they get this?" Yeah. I'm not sure that did not come from the city.
Am I Am I the only one that saw that as the Channel 9 news last night? You did too. So yeah, that not did not come from us and Channel 9 did not reach out to my office inquiring about it either. So yeah. So that was the only thing I was like why? Well, this was put in the cler the
application for the uh COA Popka road application as well as if this was done as well as a future project and it said it was 30 acres. So there was it said as if it's already done in that application that was also noted in the Echo Akcoa Road um grant application.
So at this point you just asking for an appraisal. We're asking to appraise the city property on north side of Harmon Road and the Ridge self-s storage property to see what the values are. Um, and then with the FY26 budget,
come back to you, see if there's interest in a land swap or a possible purchase of the ridge uh, property, and then continue development of the park. And at that time, we'd bring in an engineer, get an MOU Assorba, and start actually taking the rough concept that
was put out there, actually building a plan, building cost, and and moving forward. So the property on Harmon, what's what's the zone uh the land zone for that? What what that was mixed use. Mixed use
and then the industrial it was just light industrial. Correct. And if we do the land swap, does the mix you stay with? Yeah, the the the zoning would not
change with land swap. Okay. uh the Ridge Self Storage LLC, they did indicate that they don't have to do a self- storage. They can certainly develop any mixeduse um developments if we do decide to go with
the land swap, but we need to know what the properties are valued at first, right? Um I mean, I would go for the appraisal. I would I again I'm such a proponent of of having a park and and green space because once it's gone you
don't get it back and the city is growing so fast and we just don't have enough park space. So the next step would be get those appraisals and I'd have to bring this back to the board uh to determine the pleasure of the board on either a land swap, a purchase of the property or just
stay with our property that we currently have. Um, but the next steps would be get those values to see see if it's viable. And how does a co-op expansion affect this? Yeah. Uh, well, it'll have it'll run along
part of this property. Um, so I'm not sure the rightway. I think that's yet to be determined. I get Well, yeah. I I assume that we're going to need some right away from this property. So, if we go if we rush this too much and get ahead of Aoya Popka, we're going to have to redo this whole
east side of it. when a co-ay pocket comes in because that's not even planned or designed yet. So, I think the I think we would build a a nice buffer in to the design to make sure we're not going to be impacted by that because we're still going to want a buffer a natural buffer between a Koi
Papa Road and the trail. We're not going to want to put it right up on the on the property line. And the appraisals are $10,000 each, correct? A little under a little under that. Yeah, about 96 I think it was. Okay. So, so just under $20,000 just for
appraisals alone. I I like the park the way that it looks. I'm not sure I have an appetite for a land swap and a much bigger footprint. I think this is a good footprint for what we need. It it's it I think it's going to fit well in the community and and be an addition
to that area, but I don't think we need a 30 acre plus site right now when this is new to us. I think start start this way and maybe we can do a little sub of these around the city as well so that people can engage in it in different
ways throughout the city, not just one hub because I I just think the swap gets really messy really quick. Yeah, before we let's Okay, I I was just going to I want to make sure that we're able to include the the adaptive park. I think that's going to
be a a great asset. Um, and so the the part we're talking about swapping, that's where station six temporarily is now. Correct. And and then if the praises come back and they're not compatible, then we can then look at the
option of just purchasing the ridge property as opposed to the swap, right? We could either if they're not compatible, we can and if we're higher value property than the ridge property, we can request if we would like to do the swap, they make the difference up in
cash or just purchase it. Just purchase it and we can we can purchase with impact fees. I mean it correct impact fee because it's expansion. Yeah, expansion. So yeah. So before we go too far, anybody else or anybody from the public want to
speak on this one? Albert McKimmy 3603 Golden Chamber Road. I think there's some uh credence in what Commissioner Nester was proposing that we should have these parks round about the city rather than just in one place. I think that's a
great idea. Bearing in mind again, is there not a cycle trail going to be round the city? Is there no way that we should be linking up these small uh parks that are going to be specialists for mountain type bikes onto those
trails? Uh also if this company who are proposing the land swap are really interested, can they not pay their own fees for the appraisal? Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. I think the aspect of uh what Commissioner
Nesta described as well, I think makes good sense. Uh, and I know this is early on in just the staging plan, but I'd like to make sure that we have adequate not only parking, but restroom space. Uh, and uh, if we need to have barriers, barriers as well. And I rais this
concern because as I see the beautiful complex that we have, the ADA compliant uh, accessible uh, park at Northwest Recreational Complex. I don't see a barrier between the park and the new road roadway, the exit roadway. And on
top of that, I've got a handicapped child. I'm gonna have to travel over 600 feet to get to a restroom. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. So, looking for some direction. Well, so let me ask you, that brought up
good points there. So, will we have restrooms there or any of that capacity? Yeah, the plan is to do a restroom facility. Probably not a huge restroom facility, but definitely have a restroom facility out there. Is that built into that 500,000? it factored into that estimate. Yeah. So the and if you look on this map, you
have future Bronson Lake Drive. So the entrance to the parking area would be off of Bronson Lake Drive. Uh and again, the developer of the ridge is interested in working with us, however possible on this type of project. So uh
looking at how uh we could uh partner on um connecting into Bronson Lake Drive. Um, okay. They're interested in supporting. I don't see restrooms on this plan. I know this is a rough, right? This was a very rough. This is what it This is a possible option. Um,
obviously we need to get the experts out there to You're saying so the pump track that we did at uh Fran, thank you. Fran Carlton, that was like 4 to 500,000. That didn't have any restrooms. The skate park and the pump track and majority of that was skate park
concrete. Okay. Well, we're have a lot of concrete out here, too. Uh you could have um Not really. Only only really you wouldn't even have to parking lot would even have to be I don't think um in
Yeah. So, this this shows kind of a pave parking in We didn't anticipate a pave parking. We anticipated like a gravel parking with some ADA spaces, but again, this is a very rough concept of what could be out on the site. Um,
and you can get prefab restrooms, um, park restrooms, and that's what we were looking at. Bobby or Jean, I know the y'all calculate some of the impact fees. I I apologize, I should have brought it with me. The impact fees for the ridge that
have been paid and then are kind of look at the future of the impact fees for the ridge. Yeah, let me pull up the email. We were able to obtain that from public works. Uh just one moment. But if we're going to use impact fees on this, I mean, shouldn't a lot of those
be going towards Northwest Recre that really needs those right now instead of pulling it from from there? And then also Lonzo Williams is needing that as well. I I think he's talking about the development impact. Oh yeah, development impact fees.
Yeah. So to answer the first question about the development impact fees for the ridge, according to public works, they've taken in recreation impact fees are $1,60 per unit. Uh they have processed approximately 461 permits for
for a total of $488,660. This is outstanding approximately 120 permits at a total of $127,200. And that is for subdivisions in Bronson's Peak 1A through parcel 4 phase 4. And then we have parcel 6, the
apartments, uh 76 units, uh each. They've pro processed 304 permits and they collected $322,240. So the approximate total collected and wreck impact fees is $810,900. So, I appreciate that that development
has paid those. I mean, that's just like any other development in the community, but that's the thing. We don't just do it per district or we don't just keep it right in that little hub of where that it it goes to the rest of the city and we all um continue to to promote and
build what what is needed. And I know Northwest Rec is way behind from where we are supposed to be at. No. So, how are we moving impact fees from So, if we if we look at the uh proposed FY26 26 wreck impact fee budget, uh we
do have a little over $2 million of of uh contingency project balance that's left to be split out. That includes the request for the $500,000 for this park development. So, there's still funding. And so, then why are we even referencing the 810 from the ridge?
What's that? What was the point of the 810 that we're referencing from the ridge then? if there's plenty of funds in the impact fee. I I think just to show that I think just to show that we've collected impact fees from from that developer. Like of course we have I think it's a distraction. I I don't
understand why we would need to know that. Of course they've paid impact fee. It's a big project. So we have two million that's un left to be broken out for later. And as in the presentation that we just had for the impact fee study, a lot of our look
to the future is for land acquisition and future park development um to increase the level of service uh the uh from the 8 to 10 which from my understanding on some of the projects that are coming up like Pali Acres, they're donating 140 acres
or thinking about for a city park. So that would help get our threshold there without a huge cost on our end. And I think that's what we need to continue to look towards. Correct. Is maximizing those projects. Yeah, those are definitely opportunities we uh we need to continue looking for. Well, another point that a resident made
is why can't we split off the appraisal cost? Have the developer pay for the appraisal on the Harbon Road. We pay for the one on uh AO Popka. Yeah, we can certainly ask that. Yeah, I think it's appropriate if we're even going to move forward on that. Again, I I don't have a huge
appetite to to do this big of a project, especially with the COA Popkin, that development is going to go there because as that's being developed, no one's going to be able to use this. Very limited are going to have access to this park. Well, the developers uh getting ready to start the final or start designing that
future Bronson Lake Drive connection into Oko Papka Road from the last meeting we had with them. So, that connection is coming um and that'll come sooner than the widening of Oko Papka Road. Um when a Ko papa road is finished uh the intent is to have a trail that
runs along one side of the road I believe was the initial plan. A multi-purpose trail is is proposed. I think you probably saw that in the um so the 12 foot wide is that trail a 12t wide trail
correct? And it'll be on the west side. Right now it's called west. don't know for sure just based on row acquisitions or whatever, but I mean the ridge when they do this punch through to Koi Pop Road obviously they know they actually
did a corridor study for us a couple years ago. So, um yeah, the whole the whole premise is like the vision in the south where it's lacking a lot there's recreational pockets um is to have that trail run along there and then it'll go
west because you can do that through Boy Scout and then Binyan Road will have its own trail also. Um we got CFX to kind of connect um there's like a little bridge that will connect a pedestrian walkway to these trails in the city. So, I mean,
it's a sis it's a systematic scheme that we have. I think that would serve this area of the city well. I I like the idea. I just don't want to get too big and then too ahead of it when there's a lot of other development going on that if we develop it quick because this won't take long obviously
to to get done. Will it have to be redone again? That's what I keep getting concerned about is that how many times are we going to have to redo stuff? Well, I think based on preliminary uh cursory discussions, we were trying to disturb the land as little as possible. The consultants that Radley
was talking about is actually an avid mountain bike trail person. I don't know what you call them. I'm sorry. But um he knows exactly what kind of stuff we're talk we're talking about. We're trying not to disturb it. Like he said, this is really conceptual. So showing some
bigger paved areas than we anticipate. Okay. All right. No, and I've done this up in Winter Springs a few times. They've got a great track over there that is a lot of fun and is super natural and lots of trees. So, I I understand the concept and I definitely understand the value. It's just let's
get it right. So, look for some direction. I I like to see that we go ahead and u do the appraisal and ask if if the ridge would uh do the appraisal for theirs, right? And uh see about acquiring that. Uh, I
think the topography that we have here, we're not going to be able to find other parts of the city and so expanding this trail I think is going to be the best solution and that would give us that regional attraction that we're looking for. Okay. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second.
Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Next up, ordinance number 3113. Mayor. Yes. Before you go um to that ordinance um we needed to get some clarification
on the municipal impact fee in regards to the implementation. Okay. We wanted to make sure we presented options in the study. Oh yeah. Yes. So, are we going to use the standard maximum statutory increase up to 50% and phase it in evenly over four
years, or are we going to pursue the full one-time increase through extraordinary circumstances provisions? The full the full 50% the full that two different things the full is more than 50% on
50%. 50 50% to the statutory limit. Statuto limit. So it's not the full this is not enough for what we need. It said it in there. It's it's not it's it said it it's going to provide it will provide less. Correct. And
fees you use standard maximum statutory increase of 50% and phase in evenly over four years. Fees will be under recovering costs from new growth thereby increasing burden to current residents and taxpayers. that's stating if we do the 50% it's going to cost the taxpayers
the current taxpayers so it's still not meeting our needs right I I I I understand your comment um I just wanted to clarify because when we said the study we had presented the the two options and I just wanted to to get that clarity there so as we prepare the report document and everything we write
it accordingly um so the 50% phase in is the amount that we want to go with no 50% extraordinary The one one time. So yeah, the second option, the one time the one time extraordinary option.
Not not the 50%. The 50% that's a different option. The one time extraordinary is the I thought the one that takes the unanimous vote by the council. So the full increase then? Yes, the full increase.
Okay. Because 50% was mentioned a few times. I got it completed. So, I just wanted to make sure I knew full. So, thank you for clarifying. I think that helped everybody. So, it's the full increase. The full increase. Yes. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Let me write that on my paper.
All right. Next up. Thank you, Blanch. Thank you. Ordinance number 3113. Okay. Ordinance number 3113. Okay. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida
statute 171.044. The hereafter described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida, owned by Paluchi Acres LLC, located on the east side of Vic Road, approximately 1 quarter of a mile north of the intersection of Vic Road and West Lester Road comprising 39.
acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk, separability, complex, and an effective date. Any changes, Bobby? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3113.
So, got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3114. Ordinance number 3114. An ordinance of the city council of the city of Aapka,
Florida, amending chapter 6, alcoholic beverages of the city's code of ordinances, adding definitions, establishing procedures, requirements, and standards for obtaining an open container permit, setting forth vendor
responsibilities, amending article 4 use regulations of the city's land development code to clarify alcohol sale restrictions for mobile food vendors, providing for codification, providing per severability complex codific codification and an effective date.
All right, Bradley. No changes. No changes. Anybody public want to speak on this one? If not, look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3114. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second.
Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, resolution 2025-25. Resolution 2025-25. A resolution of the city of Apopka vacating the northern 20 foot of the
east west section of a 40 foot wide unnamed platted rideway and the north side section of a 40 foot unnamed platted rideway. I think that's a duplicate. uh located north of Woodside Ridge Drive and Misty Glenn Circle in
section 30, Township 20, range 28 as appearing in plat book B, page 139 of Orange County, Florida, providing for directions to the city clerk for severability for conflicts and an effective date. Good afternoon. For the record, Bobby How, planning manager. The applicant is
seeking to vacate the northern 20 ft of a 40 foot wide unimproved public rideway and a 40 foot wide north south section of the same rideway with an estimated area of 1.52 acres located north of Woodside Ridge Drive and Misty Glenn Circle. And the rideway in question is
just below this pink line. It's what we call a paper rideway, meaning it was platted at one point in time but never improved. So you would never know it was there if you went out and saw it in real life. Utility providers have issued letters and no objection to pro proposed
vacation. The purpose of the vacation is to incorporate the portion of the proposed right of way into a planned development consisting of single family residences, town homes, and non-residential develop non-residential uses that'll be part of the overall paluchi acres development that's under
consideration. The development review committee does not object to the request and the recommended motion this afternoon is adopt adoption of resolution 202525. U myself and the applicant are available for questions. Any questions for Bobby? Go back to that picture again.
It's that little sliver, that tiny little sliver right there. That's the right way right there. So it goes it was brought to us be at previous council meeting but there was something wrong with how it was advertised.
No, it wasn't the advertisement. It was the wording of the title block of the resolution. Applicant requested it be postponed to today so we can fix that. Any questions? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. I
attended Monday's meeting. Very well done you guys uh in doing it. But it it comes back to the issue of your infrastructure again. You look at the approvals that you made on homes in Golden Gem, Kelly Park, and on Boy Scout Road where there's hundreds of homes,
apartments, and so forth rolling into the roads. and the aspect of uh their proposing gifting the city parkland uh as part of it around the ponds which is beautiful and the aspect of putting in a traffic circle on Ponan does not address
the 2200 additional vehicles that are coming along both both Ponan and Vic roads. We need to look at better ways of managing this process and holding the developers accountable to connect for the connectivity so we don't run into the issue commissioner Smith pointed out
where we got this new development and we don't have safe sidewalks to and from schools. Thank you. Anybody else from the public? Not close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve resolution 2025-25. And Ponchan is still road, right?
Correct. Yeah. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Some second by Commissioner Blasquez. All those in favor? I. All oppose. My motion carries unanimously. Next up, resolution
2025-32, the plat administrative designation. Resolution 2025-32. A resolution of the city council of the city of Apopka, Florida, providing for legislative findings setting forth administrative designations consistent
with the requirements of section 1771 177.071 Florida statutes 2025 providing for conflict severability and an effective date providing for sunset. uh council, this is a
another example of the legislature knowing better how to do things than we do and telling you that you're going to do it this way going forward. Essentially, it means that where in the past you've had the opportunity and the planning board has had the opportunity to weigh in on uh on plats as to whether they meet or don't meet certain
standards. The legislature is now requiring that we do that process administratively. And if there's a preliminary termination by party that you designate it according to this, it'll be your uh your community development department. Uh then it doesn't come before you planning board.
That that's the process. And so um that's what you're being asked to do. So is every other local government. We have these teed up at all the governments that we represent. And that's what this resolution accomplishes. So I'd love to tell you there's a lot to debate here. There's not. But I'm happy to answer questions.
Any questions for Cliff? All right. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not close public hearing. Look for a motion to approve resolution 2025-32. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose? Motion carries.
Next up, resolution 2025-33. Resolution 2025-33. resolution of the city council of the city of Apakka, Florida, establishing a policy for official meeting minutes, providing for directions to the city clerk, and providing for an effective
date. Okay. Okay. So, the purpose of this is um to um the goal is to improve consistency, accuracy, ensuring that all minutes are prepared in a uniform, timely and professional manner. Um these are
historical I mean these are um for the historical preservation of our of our um meeting minutes. Um and um according to the Florida statute 286.011
um the term minutes is a brief summary of um notes and memorandum reflecting the events in the meeting and verbatim transcripts are not required. So, um what I I
after the last meeting we um it didn't you know it was not really voted on but I just decided that for our office sake we would bring forward a um a policy to um to so I I prepared a
resolution to just um go forward with um are oh hold on one second um the meeting due I gave some meeting dues basically what I want to do is try to um you know
lessen the amount of um discussion and not necessarily discussion but um you know back and forth talking and things like that from that are in the meeting minutes. So, you know, not that anybody
can't do it. It's just we don't want to include them in the meeting minutes going forward. So, um they shall re um reflect the date, time, and type of the meeting and the location of the meeting. Uh the name of the presiding officer, members present, and members absent.
Official actions, decisions, and resolutions adopted by the council. exact wording of all motions, who made the motion, who seconded the motion, the results of the take uh vote taken, and the name of the individuals who provided
public comment and also the timement. So, so just basically trying to simplify the um the uh don'ts, I mean the dos and the minutes, but also on the um what
they shouldn't include are debates, personal opinions, comments, um attacks, disagreements, characterizations of the discussion or remarks. So,
um the recommended motion for for this resolution is um to approve resolution 2025-33. and I'm available for any any questions for S might have
I just want to say that um I'm I'm glad that she took the initiative to create this because that was what we were looking for was a policy so that it's something that everyone can reference. It doesn't mean that if we have a
meeting where there's some important discussion about a business item that we can't ask would it be okay if you can include the discussion if there's some important um discussion regarding a business of of
the city that is not going to be uh excluded but we would have to ask but I understand what you were saying was that some of what was going on of of you know the detailed
uh what were they the comments, the attacks, the disagreements. Um it really wasn't what the minutes should reflect for the business. No. And we did look at other cities and there um mainly we we want to take on
the action style of minutes because um that is really what needs to be captured is the you know what the motion was, what what was a voted on and what you know that sort of detail without going into the weeds on everything else.
and and I think some of our minutes have been very long as you all know 20 something pages on a given meeting. So um and it takes staff a long time to do that and also you know just going through that and I don't really think I think for the preservation of our
minutes you know in 10 years from now if somebody's looking to see what happened at a me particular meeting and they're having to go through all of that it's it just kind of dilutes it. So, so this is an attempt to try to make sure that we
we um in keeping with the statute that we um we preserve that to um to make them more professional and more um you know brief. Any other questions for Susan? Yes. Uh a few things need to be
addressed here and and I guess the biggest one being is that this was voted on last meeting and it wasn't to how to do minutes. It wasn't exactly what minutes to do. It was to have our attorney draft a policy of how to do
minutes. Commissioner Velasquez and myself voted for it. Commissioner Smith, Commissioner Anderson, and of course, Mayor Brian Nelson voted against it. That they didn't even want to review a policy. Okay. And now this week, there's a policy in
front of us. Yes. And I so I did take it upon myself to do that because I feel like um it was sort of an ongoing thing. We were having um discrepancies as as and I and I agree and I'll get to that,
but the the commission specifically voted not to review one. Correct. And so you it was either you you chose to go against the will of the commission then. Well, not so much in that. It was just that was something that I felt like was
important for my for my for our office as far as making a policy on how going forward we're going to start working on the minutes and and making sure that they're preserved in the right accurate concise way. So, so yes, I I did not um
in the beginning have any direction. That's where I was going with that. And then I went um and I talked to the city administrator and we went over um what my intention was for that and then I I wanted to bring it forward to you all to
see you know what the what your thoughts were on it. So So Mr. Williams you again we all knew the this commission said no they do not want to review a policy and then Mrs. Bowen came to you and said I still want to do this and you said knowing that the commission voted against it yes let's do
this. The what I voted against was to allow the attorney sheepard to draft the policy. Correct. and be clear on that. So that's the whole thing. Yeah. So and Susan did come to me uh asked about
drafting policy. I did ask her. I did say yes. Go ahead and draft a policy. We'll review it. Um just like many items, sometimes they're voted on or motioned at the dis. They get not approved. They can be motioned again immediately or the next meeting. So she
brought uh a good-looking policy together. I reviewed it with her. I asked the mayor about putting on the menu on the uh agenda. We put on the agenda for review. Did our attorney review this in any way? Yes, he did. So, the attorney reviewed it.
He didn't write it, but didn't write. So, we still paid the fee for an attorney to review it. I don't understand what why wouldn't we want the attorney who's written many other opinions and uh ordinances and pretty much everything else that is in
here. Why wouldn't we want him to do the same thing? This came from a policy. This was a policy and and I don't feel like the attorney usually writes the policies for for the various departments in the city. I feel like that the department writes a
policy for their department and that's where that started out. So, and and I still I think it's super convoluted and I I think this is all just political gains at this point and it's clear and and the whole point of my presentation the previous meeting was not to advocate
and I specifically did not advocate for verbatim minutes or not. It was if the if whatever minutes we're going to take that they're accurate and I gave points to that and I've done that since being elected since 2022. I've made sure that those minutes are as accurate as possible. Again, didn't
advocate that needs to be every word that's ever spoken here, but if it is, it needs to be accurate because there was times that spoken word in this room were different than what was in those minutes. And I'm not going to say if there's any intention one way or the other on that, but they were different.
And so, again, my presentation was not advocating for every word that's ever spoken in here. It was whatever form of minutes we're taking need to be accurate, right? And and for that I we went back I went and did some research. I looked at Robert's rules, how their meeting
minutes were. I you know I I looked at all of the dos and the don'ts. I um I looked at other cities. I um I went through and and the statute I you know does not require verbatim and and what
we're we were trying to do is get um get a handle on how they're going to be concise, accurate, but they're not going to just go off where somebody doesn't really even know, you know, I mean at the end of the day you're looking for what was
it what the item was, what is um what the bo who motioned who seconded and what the vote was and recording that and moving forward. It's it's not you know all of the discussion that happened during that and I agree and I'm just saying the same
thing you are I'm not I didn't ask or advocate for that. We just wanted a policy and that's what was denied up here is that the the majority of the commission denied that and we're still seeing it here. So I I appreciate you put state of Orlando minutes in here at Orange County, but again those were different than how we were taking
minutes how many years back. So that's the point. It wasn't advocating for one way or the other of those. So moving forward this and you spoke about Roberts of order. Are we now implementing Roberts of order to our meetings? But you have mentioned that on several occasions and I did look at Robert's
rules just because I you know as far as the for a format just I was doing research. I looked at all of that. I looked at I even looked at uh getting a minute solution company to do the
transcribing of the minutes because what I don't want to do is have the council or the public thinking that we're in any way manipulating the minutes which we're not because they can be summarized and and every summarization could be
interpreted differently. So, you know, and and it I do have to say that, you know, it's it became a problem because my my um deputy is the one that has been transcribing them and Jody. And so it
has been uh something that we have been um looking into not just after after the meeting last week but before because it it these minute um transcripts have been taking like two days, three days to do
and it's a lot of time spent just on doing that. And again I'm not debating and nor have I this entire time what style of minutes we should be taking. it was making sure that they were accurately transcribed whatever in whatever capacity those were and they were not being done that way for whatever reason. So again, I don't want that to be
changed from what my advocacy was on that. I I never said it need to be verbatim. It just needed to be accurate and that nothing was changed or sentiment wasn't changed from what was said to what was transcribed here. And we you know there there was a discussion in in minutes too of that I would be on
the agenda at one point and then it was I wasn't provided to be on the agenda even though the mayor agreed to it. So there's stuff like that that's important and salient to everyone understanding what's going on in this room as it happens in the future and to look back
on this. So again, I just it it it's confusing to the residents. It it's you just can't understand it up here either to we had all those issues with minutes and now all of a sudden and a council that voted against it and now all of a sudden it's here. So let me be very
clear once again commission and I'm not done on my time. On your time you can I'm not done yet. So So basically this is an not an opportunity but I did take the opportunity upon myself to draft an ordinance a resolution to try to get a
handle on it. and I heard everything that was said and I hear what the public thinks and I I feel like for the dignity of our office to make sure that we're not accused of being manipulating the minutes in any way or having anybody
else do that. Uh I I chose to do that and I ran it by you know the proper channels and I felt like it should be uh you know at least given a you know I wanted to bring it to
you guys just for your you know your thoughts. I I I think it's a good resolution. I feel like um it could do more good than harm. I don't I don't really feel like and the attorney you did provide input on this and feedback and maybe adjustments to it
after it was drafted. I I moved some words around. I didn't change any of the intent of it or anything like that, but I made some corrections with punctuation and grammar sort of stuff. So, you still did have a hand in it too like that. I just we had a board that said no to this. Okay. Okay.
So, uh Mayor Brian Nelson, I am still speaking. My time is not done. Thank you. You always speak about decorum non-stop and at public comment you're allowing people to go overtime, undertime, answering some questions, telling people to be
quiet other times. So, let's get it consistent at one point. Please, this is just getting out of hand at this point and and you read it every week and and just because you don't like what I'm saying and just because your actions are attacking our residents and other people, you want us to be quiet. This
was exa this is exactly what I asked for. So basically you are doing what I asked for but you still voted against it for what? For what point? What purpose? To hurt the residents? Again, it's all these manipulation and games that are behind the scenes that are just unnecessary and and benefit the public
in no way. I'm done now. Well, thank you. You're welcome, Commissioner. So to be very clear I think that during that last presentation commissioner Nester is referencing that Commissioner Nea Nester thank you
is referencing that we are all with this whole conspiracy theory about manipulating minutes. when he did his presentation, he left off something that was extremely extremely disrespectful that one of his supporters had said
about me. He he believed in transparency. Is that when he walked out of the room? First of all, this is my time. When he walked out of the room, excuse me, this is my time. Walked out of the room. Commissioner Nessa decorum. Conduct of this meeting. The popular city council meeting violates city resolution 2016-16
that you have failed to follow the rules of the quorum with civility. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Make sure to read that to yourself. Am I allowed to finish my time? Thank you, Susan. Thank you for preparing this. In addition to that, when I declined or
when I voted against it, it was against the um our um city attorney drafting a policy because I didn't think it was appropriate for the city attorney to draft a policy in regards to minutes. So to be clear, it had nothing to do with silencing the residents. I think it's
very very manipulative that everything that one of the commissioners that actually sit on this diet, he always used it like we're manipulating manipulated. If anything, his action has manipulated the residents and it's just it's time to stop and to really start putting the residents first and we are
allowed to change our mind. We are. So, thank you for that. Okay. Any other questions for No, I just I just want to make one correction because I voted for it, but I do distinctively remember saying that I
would second as long as the city clerk creates the policy. I think I have that. And um and again I'm going to say I'm an advocate for policies because it's the best way to reference for the public and for us to
kind of all had uh available to us and we did not have a policy although it is part of Robert's rules how we take minutes but to have a policy in hand to say this is why we issue the minutes the way we do.
Okay. Anybody from the public wish to speak? Thank you, Susan. Albert McKime 363 Golden Gem Road. I think policies are good things. We're fortunate that we also have a YouTube
available for everyone to go there and look for themselves. But one thing I don't know because I've never looked. Do we actually announce on the city's website the dates and times of when there were meetings and that those are available on
YouTube. You see what we're speaking about today is accountancy and transparency. And that shouldn't end in this city chamber. It should matter throughout city hall.
So, I have a problem with that because some of you commissioners were in agreement that if I decide to go up to speak to Susan B in the records department that I can't record her. I have no right to record her.
Therefore, have no transcript that's accurate in what was said or done. If I speak to the staff, I would prefer if I spoke to them in Edward bathroom and there was a camera up there and it was also recorded
because what I'm going to tell you is what happens in the city of Hall isn't always recorded accurately. I'm lied to. I've been threatened. I've been intimidated and I'm not I'm not happy with that. In fact, if you remember,
I asked for city hall records for one of the days I was threatened. Chief McKinley said he couldn't give me city hall records because it may be detrimental to the security of city hall. Paladin, if there's a camera sitting out there
and I ask for that information, I should be given it. I should be able to go into one of the rooms in here, be interviewed or have discussions with city staff or with with a commissioner and there should be a record accurately describing
what happened in that room because when I leave here, I have no recourse. There's no witness to what happened. So, if we can't have adequate representation and adequate minutes, let's get everything on camera.
Anybody else? Rod Olson, 3156 Rowing Hills Lane. Susan, thanks for putting that together. Uh, I am not in agreement with just listing the names of the people that spoke. I think that we it's official record as many of you indicated. and
ought to indicate. For instance, today for me, Rod Olsen discussed infrastructure growth and budgets. Period. Doesn't need to be elaborated, but it should have a summary. Abby McKenna, Golden Gem Pond, Golden Gem Road. That's all it needs to say, but it
gives official record. This is an official record. It should appear. Thank you. Anybody else? Not. We'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve resolution 2025-33. Well, before we do that,
I feel it's appropriate to respond that decorum has been broken in here many, many times with people walking out while residents are speaking. Uh, mayor, you you laugh at people when they're at the DAS. So, as long as we're applying decorum equitably and equally, and that hasn't happened since I've been elected,
uh, we need to make sure that that's happening for sure. and the games that are played non-stop up here with agendas and minutes and things like that. I mean, it's just what what's next? I I just I I can't see it. So, that Yes, I
appreciate there's a policy. Is it the right policy and one that our attorney created? No. So, I can't vote for this. Okay. Looking for a motion to approve. So, move. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor?
All opposed? No. So, it's four to one with Commissioner Neesa in opposition. Okay. City Council reports. Commissioner Nesa, why don't you get a start? Did I start last week? No. Are you sure?
I'm sure. First thing I want to discuss is uh my consistent office hours. been doing them every single week um with a couple weeks off here and there, but they're every Thursday from 11:00 am to 1 pm here at the city hall. Um they've been productive. It's great to to meet with
the residents in this capacity, just a little less official and just meet one-on-one and just have good dialogue. It's been very very productive. Um if anybody feels uncomfortable coming to city hall, um I completely understand and I'm happy to meet you wherever and whenever. Just reach out um and let me
know when and where. Uh the other thing that I want to discuss is the city charter amendments. You had told a resident during budget workshop that that would be on today's agenda. And why is it not? Because it doesn't it at this point it doesn't won't make the September.
But that wasn't what was discussed or even said. It was yes. It'll be on that agenda. Okay. So just not you just No. It didn't matter what your word was. No. No answer. Got it. Okay. Well, that's it for now. I look forward to connecting with residents over the next
few weeks and uh hopefully residents can stay involved with the budget process because it is a mess. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. Uh I would just ask mayor if we could put the charter amendments on the agenda
when it will be able to make the March correct election. Absolutely. That's all I have. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Velasquez. Uh just want to kind of say thank you Susan. Um also just a reminder that Monday is the start of the school
for our community, our city I should say. So uh make the extra time that you need to get out to get around our city. Um and I know we were invited once again. Uh I don't usually Commissioner uh Smith joins me and I'm going to kind
of extend the invitation. We do Phyllis Wheatley. uh at 7:30 in the morning. So, I'll be there. This will be our fourth year. Fifth year. Fourth. Yeah. And um I did see I did get the utility letter.
Um and I got the utility newsletter and I saw the uh Hispanic uh celebration at Kitlamp Nelson Park. Um just out of curiosity, who's putting that together? Mark. Mark um Wright. Who's he who's one
to put together as far as the talent? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Mark Wright. That's it. Yeah. He's our guy. He's the one that's that's putting the talent together. So, I know he's working with Carolyn and Lexi.
Marlin will also be involved in this one. And Marlin as well. Yeah. Okay. So, will you be reading a proclamation? Yes. For that in this in the city? Okay. And not at the Kit Nelson Park. Correct. It'll be the second meeting in September.
Okay, that's wanted to ask cuz I was looking at all the events that are coming. Saturday sounds going to start October 4th, which uh you know that's a welcome the Saturday Sounds. I actually get a lot of residents from Zelwood who call
me regarding that because they're excited. Um but that was it. I was just wanted to ask about that and just to say um get ready for school. I'm looking forward to it. Commissioner Anderson. Also, just to kind of piggy it back off what Commissioner Vasquez in regards to
school starting next week, if there's any family Monday, if there's any family that is still in need of anything, please reach out to my office. Um, I have a lot of different sponsors and donors that are looking to donate. So, if there's any kid or any family that's in need for this upcoming school year,
please reach out to me. That's it. Thank you. Okay, cool. All right, Bradley, anything? I do have one item that Blanch has asked me to bring forward. Uh we're in the process of bidding out auditing services
for the city. Uh Florida statute 218.391 uh outlines the requirements for uh selecting uh creating a selecting comm a selection committee for the auditing evaluation. Uh the committee must be at least three members. One of the members must be a member of the governing body
and serve as the chair of the committee. and the city of Apaka financial officer staff can only serve in an advisory capacity. So, uh I would ask for direction on who from the commission or from the council would like to sit as the chair of the audit evaluation
committee. Anybody want to step forward? I'll do it. Or Commissioner Smith wants to do it. All right. But what what was that for? This the audit for the for the financial audit. Yes. We we have to go back out to bid for that. Okay.
Okay, we got Commissioner Smith. Anybody else want to put their name in the hat? Not look for a motion to approve Commissioner Smith to be on the audit committee. So, got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All oppose? Motion carries unanimously.
All right, Cliff. Anything? Uh, briefly, I wanted to bring you up to speed because you may get questions from constituents or who knows, it might even show up in one of the papers that covers AOPKA. Um, as you know, we've been pursuing a number of of property acquisitions. Uh, some for the rideway
for the Kelly Park interchange or or extension and some for one specific one for the uh, police safety, whatever we're going to call it, building over there. Um, what has happened is we've done the appraisals, we've gotten resolutions from here. Um, we've done
all the pre-steps. We put forward offers to them and what I have not gotten back from literally any of them is a response that said yes, no, or here's a counter. Um, in the case of the police building, um, we were told we were going to get a
proposal. Then we were told that the property owner was going out of town for a couple of weeks. As I think you know, mayor, um, as I sit here today, we still haven't gotten a response to the proposal. And the reason that's important is because it means in order to proceed, I don't have a choice but to file a lawsuit. So, I'm going to double
check my calendar, make sure that the time has expired or if they have a few more days, I'll wait. But then in order to proceed, we can either continue to wait or we can do something. Uh I'm getting significant pressure from the Kelly Park folks on the same stuff. Have
you sued yet? And of course, we put out the offers. We provided the appraisals. We got feedback that said, well, in one case, one particular attorney represents three of the property owners. Um, that said the property owners uh didn't like
the the way it was being structured and had some specific concerns about the way the road was being built. We put them in touch with the folks from Galvin. Um, provided that input back and said, "We don't know if this answers your concerns. Please let us know. And by the way, we still haven't responded to the
offer." And again, weeks have gone by. no response. So, it is very likely that before we meet again that suits will be filed and served and you might start getting phone calls or see articles about they sued and didn't tell us. And what I'm telling you is I've done
everything I know to do to get these people to respond and just give me something to negotiate with, but I can't get a response. So, that's where we are. Those are those two properties on Kelly Park. There's there's at le than than two. Uh but this one attorney represents
three. Uh there's another one. We call it the green buyer parcel. They are supposedly working with us. Yeah. Uh but we've gone around and around about the contract. They needed an amendment to the exhibit. The amendment to the exhibit was done. They're looking
for me to make some additional changes to the contract, which is funny because the first thing they said that they were going to do is send it to their board for approval. So, but I'm going to make those changes and send it back. But it's it's slowgoing. I love it when people work with us and they are supposedly
trying to work with us, but it's not anything like let's get this done right away kind of stuff. That's what I'm hoping. But for that to that end, there will be a resolution brought to you in case we can't not get to go because we didn't bring you a resolution on Greenbryer because supposedly we were
all in agreement, but we're still doing the same slog as if they didn't agree. And so if if we don't get where we need to get before the next meeting, there'll be a resolution in front of you to approve proceeding with condemnation on that one. Also, at that time, will you give us the
timeline that you've been trying to Yes. reach and negotiate something if that's what I mean, I can spell it out from when we got the appraisals to the letters that were sent and the responses we got. I'm I copy most of that stuff when we get something so that the people in administration know what's
happening. Um, and I will be more than happy to provide you all of that. Uh, but at the end of the day, the goal has always been, how much do you want? Here's our proposal. Let's negotiate. And I've not been able to get it's not
like they in some cases, they haven't said no. In other cases, they have said no, but not provided a counter. And I, you know, there's there's nothing to negotiate with because we have an offer out there. So,
okay. All right. Thanks, Cliff. All right. Got a couple things here. Um, start with the station six, uh, ribbon cutting. Where's our chief is? Yeah, chief. Friday morning, 9:00. So, come on out to station 6. Um, should be a great
event. Uh, hope everybody can show up and and break in the new fire station 6. So excited about that. Uh we Monday we've got the Clear Lake workshop here at 6 PM go over the uh the options there on on trying to resolve the Clear Lake
flooding. And speaking of flooding, uh Border Lake, I think almost if not all the pumps, I think all the pumps are off now. So we've met the minimum that level of water in the lakes that we can go to. So St. John's told us how low we can go
and we've met that. So right now the pumps are sitting idle. If we get some big rain between now and the the end of August, uh then we can pump put them back put them back on to to reduce the lake levels. Uh our strategic plan
sessions, uh Wednesday, August 13th from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m. Thursday, August 14th from 10:00 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. and Thursday, August 14th from 1:00 p.m. to 2:30. So, if you've got any uh ideas on
what our strategic plan would look like for the city, we'd love to have you at one or all of these strategic u planning sessions, it's on our website if you need to further details. And last but not least are Cindy Edwards, her birthday today.
So, congratulations. And with that, Part: 2
We will call the August 6, 2025 DRC meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Community development is present. Police Department Andrew King public works Dale Smith Jeremy Orderfield and building John Hansen. And I'll just remind all the applicants if you could come up to
the mic uh podium and we can get your comments on the record. The meeting is being livereamed. We will start with the first item on the agenda. Annexation of 5118 Plymouth Sarrento Road. I'm the project manager on this. Believe the applicant is in attendance. Uh if you'd like to come up and give a description
of your project, uh we would be happy to hear that. So Mr. Spain, whoever you designated, Hello, Kelly Turner, LPG on behalf of Sips Tavern. Um, so this project is the tavern that's located right there off of
um Plymouth Sarrento Road. Uh, this project has been a tavern for a very long time. It was closed down for a short amount of time and now we're trying to get it back up and running. And it's my understanding that the project or the property is in the county
and it was it lost its non-conforming status in the county and therefore that's why the applicant is requesting the annexation into the city to reestablish this as a tavern use on the property. I know there's a couple new members of the DRC that haven't seen
this since. So, uh, any questions for the applicant on this? Okay. and the annexation is discretion of the city council. Um and then as our city attorney had indicated to the applicant's attorney that the uh planning commission would hear the
reasonzoning and the future land use amendment prior to the annexation going to the city council. Uh with that any additional questions or comments with with this tavern there's changes or anything? I mean I know we're here for
annexation. I'm just kind of curious. Are they looking to change the structure area of it or is this what I'm looking at right here in front of me? Uh, we're not going to change the actual structure, but we are going to beautify the place. We're going to um do a little site work like get the uh parking up to
standards and such, but the building itself is good. How far is your nearest uh fire hydrant from that structure? Um, I'd have to look to see the actual footage. Um, but I can provide that information back to you.
Okay. Thank you. Welcome. And this is contained within an annexation agreement that the applicant has elected to do. Uh that would try and bring the property up to Kelly Park interchange formbbased code standards as much as possible. Um but like I said,
the annexation is discretion of the city council and so if the property is not annexed, then you know that's that. So all right, community development has nothing further to add. Police, no comments. public works.
Are you going to be paving the parking lot? Is that what you mean by bringing up the standards? Um, we we did see some standards that allow for some alternative surfaces. So, um, we do plan to pave some and then keep some as alternative surface just to keep the ISR down. And I assume that'll come back for
another DRC review when they do that on their site plan. Yeah, that would have to come back for a site plan. Yes. Yes. Fire. No other comments. Thank you. All right. And building I don't have everything. Thank you. Okay. And per the terms of our joint
planning area agreement with the county, we'll have to notify them of the dates for the public hearings for the annexation as well as the future land use and the reasoning. Uh we have to give a 30-day notification of that. So, any questions for us? Any additional questions? I don't have any questions at all.
All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next item on the agenda is Adam Retail Plaza and it looks like our project manager Amir is celebrating his birthday today. So we'll
wish him a very happy birthday. So I guess my birthday present to him is I'll take this one over for him. So uh the applicant is here. If you would mind give us an overview of your project. Uh we'll go from there. Good morning. My name is Ali Terrani
with Terrani Consulting Engineering. The project is an existing location tire store next to car between the car wash place and wall located currently. It's a tire replacement. Um the owner would
like to demo the existing structures and have a new buildings placed. The buildings are would be very similar to Cooper like block wall coming with a metal building on the top of it. Um
the purpose of that buildings would be retail mostly retail. He's going to maintain his business on the east portion of the building and on the other side he's going to have kind of like grocery and a small carry out restaurant
type of things. Okay. Have you submitted any architectural elevations? I did. Okay. And you mentioned a metal building. Well, it's partial like metal building on the top. Uhhuh. Again, it's exactly the same as Cooper
buildings on the Okay. The issue is is that this property is zoned mixeduse downtown. Um, and it's in the downtown and there's certain architectural design guidelines that are that are required for that. The Cooper buildings are zoned industrial. Um, so they're not in the downtown, so
they require different architectural elevations. So, uh, your architectural elevations would be subject to review of development design guidelines, section D, the land development code. Okay. Uh, and the mixeduse downtown standards. Thank you.
Any questions for the applicant? Does not appear so. Okay. Uh, community development has nothing further. Uh, please no comments. Public works. And did you get a chance to see our comments? Yes, I received the comments the last
one like late afternoon. So, I didn't have a chance to go through and analyze it, but I have seen the comments and I have some questions. I would like to get reviewer in depth to see what we can do. We can talk after the meeting if you'd like. I can do that. Yeah.
Oh, great. Yes, indeed. All right. You did review my comments regarding fire suppression. Yes. Okay. Yes. Building. I don't have everything. Thank you. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay.
Next item on the agenda. Crossroads Kelly Park FTD FD1 and FD3 revision 3 construction site plan. I know, Jean. It wasn't me. I didn't come up with a name. But this is this is a an approved
CSP. However, they are revising it because as you all know, Waypoint Boulevard, that intersection with KPR or Cali Park Road has been constructed. So, I guess they're just making some I think it's more of a road related
utility from what I can see in the plans utility kind of um changes. I didn't get any um comments. the applicant won't be able to make it this morning. So, if you have any questions, Dale, I didn't get anything from public services. I was wondering if you all were okay with
this. Okay. I actually did make a comment and said that you reviewed all the changes and they're acceptable. Most of them are the site changes around the buildings themselves. Okay. Relocating water lines, changing the pipe sizes, nothing that would impact
any storm water running off or any traffic circulation. and it was just small internal changes. Okay, I will have the comments reissued today via the portal. I don't know if it captured it when I did it yesterday. Um but yeah, I'll relay that to the
applicant. Any additional questions or comments for Jean? Jeremy, you have any questions? No comments. Thanks. All right. Community development has nothing further. Police. No comments. Public works.
Any questions or anything additional? Public works. Building has no comments. Public works. Any questions or comments? Anything additional? No comments. Okay. Fired. No other comments. Thank you. Building. Do you have any questions or
comments? All right. Thank you. Okay. Final item. Invitation code construction site plan. Uh, I'll stand in for the birthday boy on this one as well. And Miss Fischer is here. Uh, you
received your qu comments from DRC. Anything you'd like to discuss? Good morning all. I'll talk fast. And happy birthday to air. Um, ready? I'm gonna go in order too. So, I'm going to go really fast. The plat. Do we do a preliminary plat and then do the final
plat or how is that? Yeah. So, the legislation changed on platting as you're probably aware. Um, it's now a DRC staff level approval. So, it would just be a final plat. But do you want it now or normally we're not doing them until we're in construction?
You can defer to can defer. Okay. And you might uh want to talk to public works about bonding though for the infrastructure. Normally, yeah, normally we'll do a performance bond. Um, the school capacity determination. We sent it to you guys and I thought y'all sent it to
Orange County. Uh, we have not seen it. We can go back and double check the files and I don't recall anything coming back from the county on that. Same here. Okay. All right. But yeah, we have to have that before. You want me to just email you and Yeah, if you could.
And then the models and elevations must meet city standards. We've submitted um renderings. What do we just need to add a note or how do we address that comment? Yeah. So, um, were you issued any
comments in regards to the elevations? Okay. So, they're probably under review currently. Okay. Um, and I'll touch base with air on that one. Okay. Sorry. If I don't write it down, I'll forget. Yeah. Mr. Wharton, who I know is behind me,
the lovely Mr. Wharton, um, you're asking for two points of vehicular access. We have one proposed now and one's future. I'm not sure those are my comments. It has your name on it.
Want to see it? Uh, Bill, I actually put that in the transportation portion of it and and that's directly out of the code that says you have to have two points of access or you can have one point with emergency access, but it has
to be approved by the DRC. So that's why that comment is not there and that's what we had initially discussed during the MP MP process is we've got the future one and then we've got the the future's not really defined though I'm still on I mean know we had this
discussion last time but there's no future there's hope it's not a future plan that's just hope someone buys a property and gives us emergency access I know we're already on a tight enough neighborhood the way it's designed multiple comments on here with
construction auto turn issues with our vehicles even making access in there. Now, we're not going to have a secondary access for this neighborhood. I have major concerns about it. I don't think it's appropriate not to have emergency access, but it's already in place and before people start moving in there. I understand. I don't feel that that's an accurate way
to handle it. Saying it's a plan, we all have plans, but what is the plan? We can't just say it's planned. I don't agree with it at all. And that's a a discussion you need to have with the applicant. Okay. Well, I think I think we've hit on that
a number of times that we back when we did the major development plan that we were meeting the code and that's what the code had required. But the code has been vague on what it says and that's you you hit on it multiple times, but I've never agreed and never I've completely I've had an issue with it since the beginning and I'm still not changing my stance on it.
I'm looking at it from an emergency and a safety standpoint of the citizens moving in there and for the fire department to make access and as of right now not having emergency access is not following what we until other hold everybody else account accountable for. We're saying there's a plan. I think that what is the plan?
I think that's almost a an issue you had need to have with the board not with the applicant. We were just going by. Maybe that's something we could look at changing in the in the code itself just to meanwhile though if we change later. I mean it is what it is. But it says plan. What is the plan is what I'm asking. I
if I have a plan in my in my hands that says this is what we're going to do. Then I'm comfortable with it. But as of right now the plan is so vague that there's not a plan. There's hopes that someone buys the property next to them and moves and puts an emergency access road on it. I that means I don't disagree with you. I'm just not
the person to have the conversation with. That's just your code. And I mean, I'm I'm not disagreeing. We thought we should have been able to use our access that we already have on 436. And we were told no by former members here. That would have been your access. That
would have made a lot more sense for emergency. But uh who am I? Um okay, moving on. I mean, it just and I get it. And please, by all means, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just very frustrated over the thing this situation because to me, there's nothing built there right now. Nothing has happened
there right now. Now's the time to come up with an answer and a solution to fix this problem. And the problem to me is there's not emergency access. So obviously I have major concerns with it. Did you try the property to the east the parking lot? We did several times and back in the day
Pam had also reached out to them as well and we got a no, a no and a no. Yeah. So, we've definitely tried and then um sorry not to saying names, but yeah, we've tried. We've tried. The owner of the property has tried and city of Popka
staff has tried as well. And I think the access to 436, if you look at the grade difference, I don't really think you would have an access there. We we had a way to combat that last time. This is the second time this project's come through. It was
apartments, but uh city staff was adamant that they did not want us to have the access on 436. Very adamant. Um hello. Good morning. Uh Jeremy, that secondary
access needs to be only stabilized access, right? Doesn't have to be I require paid but stabilized. We don't take the problem we have with it is in the past the stabilized access was taken to levels of stabilized with grass
growing over it with no sign with barely being able to figure out where it's located what the point of it is. So we've gone away from that. We're asking for page access. Okay. And I'm I'm open-minded to someone's going to put a property there. Whatever the idea of it all. Yes. But in the meanwhile, giving us the
stabilized access to get in there in case of emergency is critical. I mean, we're dealing with town homes. This is, you know, we had a significant fire in there. That's pretty uh a pretty tough situation for the fire department to deal with. So, you know, you want to make sure that we have access points to get in. Okay. Is there any possibility that can
be placed in the northwest corner there or there's a already a unit there? It's hard to see from like maybe this area here. I don't think they would be able to have enough room to get another access because you will need a 20 ft
unobstructed, right? But the paved area doesn't have to be 20 ft wide. But I mean, it can't be out the alley because the alleys are only 14 ft paved. Can we can we meet and discuss this? Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Yes. the best way to handle it. Yeah. I I just can't apologize. I just can't I can't continue just let it happen. No, no, absolutely. We got to make we got to make a decision I'm comfortable with and I'll be okay. Yes. I think we can have a meeting and
discuss that in more details. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, J. Vlad, real quick. Does the code state stabilize service? I'm not sure. I don't have That's what we we got to be careful with that too. It just says that that Yeah, that that's why I paused the
question. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Well, let me ask you since we've got fire already on fire. The the auto turn. Um you had a question not knowing if the
auto um the street parking will obstruct our auto turn. When I was looking at your auto turn that you guys provided with us, I think initially I I quoted as you guys had the wrong size truck, but it looks like you fixed that or corrected it. Well, it's
close enough. Um, you've corrected that, but my my concerns were were we able to make those turns on the what would I would call I guess the south end of it, the closest to 436 area. Are those turns seem pretty You won't be driving in the alley. You
would that would basically be a hammerhead down there until that future connection is provided. So that's going to be a hammerhead going down in between I guess track A. Uh I can't see track A, but going north and south center is just
our alleys. Yep. All right. Because from the auto turn, just looking at what it shows, that was my concern. My truck trying to make these turns, that's what I was following either. I'm really confused on this. Or
can you switch me to the auto turn page? Thank you. Um maybe right there. Let me My my auto turn basically shows what he's got right there on the screen. Yeah, let me let me Yes, I do. Let me correct that. Yeah, that's what my my confusion is on.
My CAD tech does that and not me. And so, yeah, he's not I'll get that corrected. That is on me. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Um, okay. The rest I have is for public services. Is that you, Dale, or Yes, ma'am. Okay. So, a lot of these comments, um,
well, we'll just start with one. Alley pavement needs to be 20 feet wide. Your code says 14 feet. Okay. I was, you know, and I just checked your code this morning looking at the green book. Are these going to be one-way alleys? No, they'll be two-way alleys, but they're they're not for like emergency
personnel, but you're We have garbage trucks. Are we picking up the garbage truck? You are picking up the garbage from the alley. So, now we need an auto turn and we need to give you our garbage truck size. I can give you Yeah, if you'll get me your auto turn um the garbage truck size, I'll do the auto turn. But yeah,
your your code was for an 18 foot wide. Your code says 18 feet wide for the alley. Um, I think it said 14 foot minimum pavement. We've provided I think 16 foot minimum pavement. Okay. But yeah, so that's just on your code. And then we'll need some signage because
the garbage truck has to pick up on the right. So, which means you're going to go, you know, one side will be going north and one side will be going south to keep the garbage trucks. So, I spoke with your garbage guy already. I don't remember his name. I'm sorry. Joshua. Um, when Diana was here.
And so we don't have dumpsters. We're not providing dumpsters. Diana wanted us for lots 1 and 2 and 37 and 38. The garbage person said he was fine. Wouldn't have any trouble with the way it was. So she asked us if we could put
the concrete pads so that they could walk their garbage cans over to that concrete pad. So those are not dumpsters. Those are just a garbage p pad for the two end units at the end of building one and building six. But if you want me to take those back
off based on the conversation with your I don't want to call him the garbage person. I don't know what his I don't remember what his name was. Josh Robinson in the center. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll talk to Josh about this name. Yes. If you want to talk to Josh and get back with me because I did I did talk to
him. Um okay, I jumped ahead. So that was Yeah. So just so that you know those are not dumpsters. So Dale will talk to Josh. And then um on number two, you said the taper on the lane offset needs to be
increased. Where are you referencing? Well, you've got lefthand turn and the way you've sort of offset the things. I mean, it's it's a sharp angle. You you'd actually need to go a little bit farther. And then the additional comments that I added late to it, and
this was after talking with Vlad, your your traffic study doesn't show a need for that lefthand turn. We know we know we would just assume not have it. Can we get rid of it? This is this is another thing that's been going around is we we know that it doesn't. When we
did the apartments, the tra that was a fight that was two different sides or traffic person said it's not needed. There's not enough trips generated. And that was with even more trips on this project. City staff wanted it. City staff is the one who designed it. And
now we're if we can get we can get right. And that was a former um DRC staff. Um that's really at the discretion of public works. I heard get rid of it. I'm I'm looking over your shoulder. We
want to the waterline too, right? Okay. And then discussion was had last time when we went when this was the apartment project, it went back and forth. Is it Orange County? Is it Apakka? Is it Orange County? Is it Apka? Apakka said it was Apakka's road,
Monroe. The from what our GIS shows us, we maintain the right of way. Orange County has control of the road, so you'll have to permit. Are you sure? Because that was a big thing last time.
I asked our GIS person. He was going to check into it again, but you know, when when you look at, you know, the city's GIS, it's it shows us truly being responsible for the surface maintenance. But it does not have us being responsible for the roadway or the
drainage system. So the drainage system that you're tying into is apparently Orange County and then the roadway. So you'd have to permit with them. We thought the same thing last time, but city staff was adamant that it Monroe is a Papus. Okay. We can Okay. Yeah, I've got Mike looking into it to
verify it, but yeah, as of Yeah. 3:00 yesterday, we were still thinking it was ours for service maintenance and Orange County for the roadway. Okay. Um, and then you want the water man to be replaced from where to where? Just in
front of our property. What's the limits to this? Well, we would like it's an AC line. I don't know where you're going to stop once you start to replace. Once you start, it'll it'll start breaking. It goes all the way back almost to the Wind Dixie. So, from where to where are you wanting
us to replace the water? I'd like to have it is in and you know the entire run of it from the Wendixie down to just past you know the lift station is all AC. Okay. That's a little Yeah, that that's a a big ask for a
small project and and that's what Vlad said. We need to sit down and have a discussion with you about the turn lane and the water man. Okay. Okay. So, we'll have another discussion. Um, and then a lot of your comments I didn't understand. Like you're asking to show the stop signs.
The stop signs are on there. You asked for a sidewalk easement. There's a sidewalk easement shown on there. There's a drainage easement shown on there. Well, I didn't know what was Well, I didn't see the drainage ement. The minimum drainage easement size is 20 ft by our code.
We have Can you scroll? Well, we have it adjacent to Monroe. So, it's a I can't read it. I'm too blind. To the left. There's one. It's called out to the left. We have a 10-ft
rightway dedication and then a 5-ft utility drainage and sidewalk easement up against Okay. up against um Monroe. But this is also in between the buildings. Yes, that one I agree with. This this one was specifically for when you asked for it along Monroe. And then if you'll
go to the entrance road, you know, that storm drain is very close to the right of way. So if we ever go to maintain it, we're going to have to encroach upon the area outside the ride ofway if we ever have to fix a cave in, do any maintenance on it. So we need an
easement. You know, I believe these roads are private. Are the are these roads are private? I did not know that. Yeah. I don't think you guys allow us to give public roads if I remember last time. Right. I don't recall honestly.
Yeah, I thought they had to be private. Um I think the city requested them to be private. They didn't want to take the infrastructure, but I don't think there's anything that mandates that they're private. I'd have to go back and double check. There there's a table on the plans. There's a what?
There's a table on your plans that talks about the, you know, different tracks. What's what's private? Yes. And maybe I missed the track A. Yeah, I have tracked A as a tract instead of a rightaway. So, I'm Can you zoom back
out? I'm sorry. If zoom to the whole page and then go up to probably page three and then right there. Go up one more. That's probably going to have the track go up again. I'll keep lying to you. And then zoom to No, no, to I think it's
your bottom. It's a we've had that as a private tract track. Okay. Okay. So, I think that's all I have. And I think um the rest of it uh Yes. And it Oh, wait. One more.
Yes. And I'm sorry. We do have the sanitary sewer pipe sizes. Everything is shown on there. The water is not. I know you asked to see the sanitary sewer pipe sizes and lengths. those that's on the plans. All right. But I also want to see profiles because you do have We'll do profiles, but I didn't know if
you didn't see the pipe sizes and links or on the sanitary. Yes, I did. Yeah. Okay. Um and then how do we get the calculations for the existing lift station? Uh your engineer is going to have to, you know, look at what's flowing into
the lift station. I mean, we can provide the flows. Yeah, we would need Yeah, we would need that from you guys. And I was told it's a very small lift station and it was only sized for you know what is on that you know particular property. So you will probably have to
upgrade the pumps. Will you are you able to get the information or is it somebody else? I don't I I'll go ahead. Okay. I don't know who. Yeah. And then what do you mean with a drainage map showing adjacent property? Well drainage. We have a grading plan and a
drainage plan. That's on your property and well it shows off it shows next door. It doesn't really show offsite. It doesn't show any lines and you you've got property on the east and the west. The west does not develop. Just want to make sure one you're not blocking any
drainage. Now the parking lot's fine. Yeah, I've been out there. I've walked it. It's fine. Have not walked the woods all the way to the back. But just you want to make sure that there aren't any pockets that are being being trapped offsite. Go to our grading plan. It's keep that. Keep going. Well, that's the grading plan on your
site. Right. But our contours go offsite. So on it goes to the north,southeast, and west. So I I'm not really sure what your Well, there there's really not you usually don't get enough survey data.
And as somebody who's drawn enough contours, once you go off the edge of where the contours are, it then becomes the person's, you know, almost imagination as to which way they turn, left, right, or whatever. Just want your engineer to show me that that water is
going away from your site. Okay. I mean, I think it is. And we've got swailes. And if you're wanting more survey information, I need to know what you can. You can check your engineer can walk the site and just show. I'm an engineer. It's okay. It's me. Walk the site. have and show me some flow errors with the
water going away from the site. But we have the flow. That's what I'm saying. We have the flow arrows on there. So, I'm not sure what you're asking me to to do. You're talking about the one arrow that Well, we have a p we have a pond next to our site. So, are you wanting me to put
flow arrows on the adjacent property? On the adjacent properts on the adjacent property. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. I just had no idea what you were looking for there. There's the contours for areas on adjacent property.
Okay. I know you've asked for us to pre-post. Well, we did pre-post. So, I don't know what on number 25 you're asking us to pre-post, but we have pre-posted. I know, but the thing
is not all your site drains to the part of it grades to the north, part of it flows to the south. So your post development will only be that that drains to the north. I agree. Okay. I I guess I just I I didn't see it in the calculations. I'll go back and look. Look, it looked
like you were taking everything, you know, to the north and but your pre-development discharge should just be that area that goes to the right. Okay. Yeah. A normal. We have to pre-post. We we actually have a split basin. We have part that goes to the north and part that goes to the south.
So our south is going to be zero, but absolutely our north is still held to a pre-post. To what goes to the north? Then prepost to the north, prepost to the south. We just have nothing. Well, we actually do have something going to the south, but it's negligible. Um and then
the side slopes of the depend of the the retention pond are actually on the cross-section. I missed it. Then what? Okay. Okay. All right. And if anything else, can I get your direct number so that I can call? I don't think I have. Is it on
here? I'll actually have to get that for you. I'm fairly No, I am fairly The last three digits are 813. It's 7 730. Yeah. We think or we're
No. Go ahead. A 8 A13 is my extension and it it's perfectly fine. It's it's a computer, you know, phone system, an IP system. Do you want to coordinate with um everybody and me and Vlad if we want
another meeting or just a Zoom call or whatever for some of this other stuff or I I work for Vlad so Okay, we'll circle back around. I'm um vacation next week,
the week after. Hold on. Okay. Thanks, guys. I think that's all I have unless anybody's got something for me. Any additional questions for the applicant. Community development has nothing further. Police, no comments. Public works, no comments.
Fired, no other comments. Thank you. And building everything. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Sure. You're very welcome. Okay. Under discussion, uh, one thing I do want to make uh, DRC aware of, and I'll
send this information to you. On July 1st, 2025, the state or the governor signed into law Senate Bill 180, uh, which basically is retroactive to August 1st, 2024. And what that does is that any area within the state that was
affected by either hurricanes Helen, Milton, or Debbie, which is the whole state of Florida, is subject to this requirement of the law. And it's it talks about emergency response and rebuilding. But the focus of the DRC's area is is that you cannot adopt or
enact any regulations that are more burdensome or restrictive on a property owner than what was in your code prior to August 1st, 2024. Uh if you do, you can be challenged with lawsuits. Um we had to be very cognizant of that when we
did the rewrite of the comprehensive plan. We had to delay that uh transmittal hearing. we had to go back and re-review it and make sure we weren't putting policies in there that were more restrictive. Uh we'll have to do that with the land development code as well once we enact that rewrite um
and make sure that we're not putting any in restrictions that are more burdensome on a property owner. Uh there have been jurisdictions who have been challenged already and uh one jurisdiction sent their comprehensive plan rewrite to the state and it was deemed uh unacceptable
and illegal and they were told they have to start over from scratch and they have to follow their old laws. Um, and that's it's it's pretty um it's a pretty wide ranging act and it gives a
lot of power to the land owners and the development community. It prohibits moratoriums on development. Uh, a jurisdiction cannot enact a moratorum. So, it it the state has a lot of power over local governments on that. So, I wanted to make you guys aware of that.
I'll send that email to the DRC summarizing that act that had been put together by the city attorney's office as well. And also it looked like he left. The birthday boy made an appearance and then he left again. So, anybody have anything else for
discussion? Hearing that we're adjourned.