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--------- Mhm. >> Commission workshop for June 17th at 5:00 p.m. Uh for the invocation pledge, we're going to save that for the commission meeting coming up at 7:00. So, we will dive into the discussion items for Golden Gem. Uh the Golden Gem pond there on on Golden Gem Road. What we'll start with

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is a presentation from the city. Preliminary we'll start with that. Tetra Tech is also here as a third-party vendor for us to um ask questions. Any any kind of detail uh they may be jumping in on the presentation side of this as well or not. And whatever's comfortable there and whatever we need from there, but I

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will pass it off to Mr. Simanovsky. >> Good afternoon, everyone. Uh I'm [clears throat] Vladimir Simanovsky. I'm the public works director and the city engineer for the city of Apopka. Good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. Uh today we will provide an overview of the Goldenrod Reclaimed Water Facility,

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a little bit of its history, purpose, current progress, and upcoming steps. This presentation sets the stage for Tetra Tech's technical overview on the pond reconstruction. So, starting with a project overview, uh this project what it was envisioned more

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than a decade ago as a regional solution for the reclaimed water storage and distribution. As growth shifted to the northwest Orange County, Apopka is positioned to benefit from a system that ensures long-term water reliability. What you can see on the slide here on

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the map, uh you see the outline of the jurisdictional limits of the city. You see in the northwest part of Seminole Lake County the jurisdictional limits of Mount Dora. All of that brown area is actually the unincorporated Orange County. The yellow

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uh to the right is the city of Altamonte Springs. Longwood is just north of that that sends all the wastewater most of the wastewater to the city of Altamonte Springs. And we have we [clears throat] have in the Wekiwa Springs area uh Sunshine Water as a utility that was the former uh Sunlakes utility.

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utility and also in the meantime I think changed the name to Utilities Inc. So, it did transition. On the next slide, we have the regional significance of the project. So, for over 15 to 20 years, the city has expanded its reclaimed water system with

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significant assistance from the St. Johns River Water Management District and the Florida DEP. And this project continues the strong partnership. As you can see on the map, uh that outline of the black line is basically the Wekiwa Springs and Rock

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Springs basin map basin management action plan. And in the purple it's the Springs priority focus area for that uh watershed. And of course that incorporates also the Ocklawaha Springs.

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And pretty much what we can see from this map is almost the entire city is in the base management action plan to protect the the three Springs. So that's the regional significance of of this particular project.

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>> [snorts] >> Some of the environmental benefits, let's say put it simply, this project protects our Springs, reduces pollution, and helps conserve drinking water sources by using reclaimed water for irrigation instead of pumping ground water. >> [snorts]

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>> Basically, we recycle 100% of the Apopka's wastewater into reuse irrigation. Some of the partnership history, this partnership with the St. Johns River River Water [clears throat] Management District is and the DEP of course is one of the strongest and longest utility

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collaborations we have. The district invested directly by purchasing land specifically to help Apopka build this facility. As you can see on this map, there were two properties that were purchased by the district in 2009 when [clears throat] the district and the city entered into a

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memorandum of agreement. The north parcel was 60 acres and the southern parcel 40 acres for a total of 100 acres. In the meantime, there were several amendments since 2009 with the latest being approved just last month in May of 2026.

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On the next slide, we tried to show you some of the regional interconnectivity that we have in the system. Apopka is of course part of a broader reclaimed water network. These agreements that we have with Sunshine Water, Orange County, City of Altamonte

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Springs, and City of Mount Dora right now. Uh allow us to share water during times of surplus and shortage, uh improving sustainability for the entire region. The agreements range from 2011 to 2018.

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What you can see from the maps, uh Sunshine Water and Altamonte Springs are sending water directly into the Apopka water reclamation facility, which is the public works and utility complex, uh just south of Cleveland Street and between South Cleveland Street and

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Snowden uh Road. Orange County is sending water directly uh to the city system over at Marsden Road, just north of their wastewater treatment plant. And uh there's an equestrian trail

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right next to it. And Mount Dora is uh being connected through um at intersection of Golden Gem and Kelly Park Road. And that's basically that orange line that you see going along Kelly Park to the west, north to

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Round Lake Lake. Uh and uh to Lake County over at just the borderline there to the north, where they have a booster pump station. So, that was the latest agreement that we have achieved with the city of Mount

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Dora in 2018. On the next map, you will see next slide, you will see the city of Apopka reclaim water interlocal agreements and how these agreements clicks. There's an agreement term for initial plus successive time. Let's

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say the Sunshine Water that started in 2011, it's good for 99 years with a 10 additional years extension. Uh Altamonte Springs is good for 50 years, Orange County for 20 years, and Mount Dora for 10 years plus 5 years of

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uh extensions. Um The three, Sunshine Water and Altamonte Springs and Orange County, as I mentioned, they present basically a supply and inflow coming into the city and uh system that is going to Mount Dora

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satisfies the demand for the city of Mount Dora as an outfall. The next map, you'll see the overall reclaimed water utility service area, which is approximately 100 square miles, believe it or not, but that includes a lot of the water body, which is the Apopka Lake and a lot of the

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conservation area that has been purchased by the water management district to preserve the land. And in reality, we actually have about 60 square miles, which is almost double than the city jurisdictional area. So, it's fairly significant. Just for comparison,

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we have uh the total utility service area is about 106 acres and the city of Orlando entire jurisdictional area, including the airport and Lake Nona, is about 112 square miles.

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So, uh the city currently operates four facilities when it comes to the reclaimed water. Of course, the major is the Apopka Water Reclamation Facility of Cleveland. We have the North Shore Reclaimed Water Facility of Lost Road,

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the Northwest Reclaimed Water Facility right across on the east side of the Northwest Recreation Complex, and the Golden Gem Reclaimed Water Facility that is currently in construction. The completed project components where

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the project started sometime in 2019, and you can see on the first slide where the site was really cleared for the larger pond, which was completed in 2021. And in the next uh picture on the right, you will see the total completion of the east and the

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west pond in 2023. These ponds actually act like a large above ground reservoirs, holding the reclaimed water until it's needed. Um completing these two reservoirs is, of course, a major milestone that we try to achieve

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uh after the uh one of the failure of the liners that we had in 2024. The current construction uh we have the pump station, the distribution pump station in the

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Golden Triangle, which is the heart of the system. And this pump will take the stored reclaimed water and push it into the distribution system. Once this is built, the facility becomes fully operational, of course, with the one of the pumps at least. Uh the pump station has been designed by

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Wright Pierce, one of our utility consultants. Uh the bid advertisement was on May 31st, and the bid opening is scheduled for end of June, June 30th. Construction is expected to begin before September 1st, 2026, and is expected to

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be about 18 months. The current ongoing work is the pond reconstruction, of course, the east and the west pond, as you can see here, with [snorts] a pump station being right in the middle of it. Uh the conception design for west pond

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was released on June 5th, 2026. This work has been performed by Tetra Tech, one of our utility consultants. The final design for the west pond is expected in late August of 2026, and um the detailed technical discussion

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will follow by the Tetra Tech team. And finally, we have some next steps that are in front of us. Uh we plan to start the design of the east pond sometime in September 2026, start the construction of the west pond

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uh sometime in September, October of 2026. Uh the complete reconstruction of the West Pond is expected by March of 2027. Complete design of the East Pond in April May of 2027. The complete

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reconstruction of East Pond is to be determined because we haven't started on that design yet. And uh, we're committed to providing some regular milestone updates to the city commission and the residents. So, that's pretty much a little bit of the

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history of uh, this project and the importance of this regional facility. And I will uh, introduce my our team here from Tetra Tech who will give a technical

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presentation of the upcoming work. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you. Good afternoon. I'm Kevin Freeman. I'm with Tetra Tech. I'm the project manager for Tetra Tech for the Golden Golden Gem project. Um, we're teamed

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with Ardaman. They're our pond liner and construction experts. And we have um, Liquid Solutions Group is doing our hydrogeologic studies. So, um, three three key team members here. Um, kind of an overview of what we're going to be

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going over. I think from our perspective there's kind of three major discussion points. One being the existing conditions. What's what we're working with from a start. And um, our approach to design. How we intend to um, put these ponds back in service.

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And then three our implementation schedule. So, existing [clears throat] observations. Um, Tetra Tech was first uh, we first discussed the pond failure at the pond with the city back in 2024.

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Um, and we did have a prior phase to our design phase where we did look at some um, previous studies and evaluated the existing conditions looking at plans and some of the studies done by other consultants hired by the city.

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And the the kind of the key takeaways or key observations from those efforts whether it be site visits um or other studies that the failures at some of the seams within the liners seem to have resulted

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in leakage which may have contributed to further failures. The liner did show based on site visits signs of deterioration, discoloration, things of that nature. And also visible were gravel or rock fragment fragments, excuse me, present

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under the in the subsurface or sub the soil below the liner. Those conditions rocks can, you know, cause issues with the liner protrusions result in punctures and

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further kind of lead to bigger issues with with leaking. Another another item that that was discussed that >> [clears throat] >> is not visible at site conditions but some of the underlying soil conditions if you have kind of a clay or clay soil

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layer below that subsurface even um those that the permeab permeability of those soils is less. So when we get ground water coming through it can hit that soil and kind of ride and kind of there's a gradient there where it will

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follow to its kind of final resting place. So that's things that kind of leads me into our design approaches is one of the big considerations or two of the big considerations um in the design are dealing with kind of soil conditions and ground water. So

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So design solutions uh as I said key is to understand the subsurface soils. Um we have looked at previous reports. We are familiar with the uh geology and soil conditions in that area just from other work we've done. To

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date, we have not done any new borings. That's something we are still um evaluating as we progress with design, the need to do that. Um we did, however, we have installed piezometers. >> [clears throat] >> Excuse me, to look at uh monitor water

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water groundwater elevations around both ponds. Um so, moving into design, generally want to make sure that we're specifying through design and specifications soil conditions that um we have good clean fill free of rock and gravel, that it's

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compacted correctly. Um that we are evaluating groundwater conditions historically and and uh presently, and that >> [clears throat] >> even with those uh even with that information, our design does allow for um gas release or

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um relieving pressure from hydrostatic uplift through venting and other uh means underneath that uh liner. So, um liner material, another big uh consideration. So, looking at a 60-mil uh HDPE liner is typical for industrial

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applications, landfills, things like that. So, a little bit more robust. Um and then providing a protective soil cover on top of that liner to better protect it um if it if it is exposed. Um and then lastly, and probably one of

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the most important items is quality assurance during construction. So, our team members have probably 40-plus years of experience in installation and design of liners. They're in the field at key, you know, key times looking at subsurface soil conditions, making sure that there is uh

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that the soil is free from rock or gravel, compaction done correctly, liner seaming is done correctly, so quality control during construction and oversight during construction is is is very important to the um you know, to the the service life of the

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liner, so. >> [clears throat] >> So, groundwater elevations, this kind of just a very high-level overview of what we've done um to [clears throat] to kind of determine what we believe the groundwater elevations to be in in considering where we set the pond the

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bottom of the pond. So, [clears throat] we we've looked at historical rainfall data the soil boring and geotechnical data that was available from the previous designs. Uh we have looked at upper Floridan aquifer groundwater levels and

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surficial aquifer system groundwater levels through different monitoring wells in the area. Um and different avail um data available through through either St. Johns River Water Management District or other resources. That information is then kind of taken and

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there's some analysis done. Uh it's not it's more or less kind of like a model, but it's it's done through like a linear linear regression kind of an analysis within a spreadsheet, but all of that data is taken and then we develop a time series to

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kind of look at what we infer maximum and minimum groundwater levels to be over time in that area and different gradients, which way we think groundwater is flowing and so forth, so that we can incorporate that information into our uh design and account for any

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hydrostatic uplift or making sure we know where the pond bottom elevation is relative to the groundwater. Say historical data is limited. What we mean by that, that's really specific to the site. There were some borings and

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some groundwater information elevations collected at the time these ponds were initially designed and constructed. So, we do have some data specific to the site. We're continuing to expand on that data with the piezometers you see on the map. That's 10 piezometers, which is

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basically just a small well where we can measure groundwater installed around those were installed, I believe, in a few months ago. So, I think May may have been when they were put in. And we collected

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two rounds of groundwater elevation and then one more recently not shown here in the first week of June and we'll continue to do that either bi-weekly or monthly to kind of continue to monitor groundwater specific to this site. And that information will help us refine

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our design and make decisions. Um, and the last bullet there you'll see in working with the city in in the water management district, there were some comments as we develop our review of prior information. One of

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those was a concern with the pond stormwater pond in the development to the north. We we are watching that. The piezometers will help us watch that. I think our initial assessment is that that groundwater in that area is really flowing west to east not towards the Golden Gem site. But again,

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you know, it's it's it's something that we're watching as we move forward with design. So, implementation schedule. Um, we discussed with the city and the the the project does address both

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the east and west ponds. We initially are focusing on the west pond to try to get that 50 million gallons back into service as soon as possible. Um, that that design we we did complete a basis of design report and that was submitted

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in May. We did just recently share with the city 60% level plans for that pond. So, in general, the 60% design shows that pond more or less being put back in the same configuration based on our

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based on the information we we have to date, we're comfortable with the groundwater and then that pond elevation seems to be fairly well above groundwater based on the data we have. So, but what we are doing is we we intend to over excavate to put that

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liner actually a little 2 ft below where it is now and use that soil to cover it to save from having to bring in fill to cover the liner. So, uh it'll keep the volume the same, but it'll keep, you know, if the soil shows to be good fill, it'll keep from having

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to import fill and and and keep costs down. So, um as Vlad mentioned earlier, we don't have a firm schedule for the East Pond at this point. At the 90% deliverable phase uh for the West Pond, we will

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start to look at the concept for the East Pond and then that will help us depending on um what that design looks like determine what the schedule will be. So, um it it should be more or less in line with some of the dates that Vlad shared, but

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details will kind of help refine that schedule. So, um I think that concludes our presentations. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Friedman. Any initial uh questions? >> Uh yes, I do. And [clears throat] first,

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let me just start off, Mayor, thank you for the opportunity to have this workshop. I appreciate that you took my request in consideration, so thank you for that. >> Absolutely. >> Um and thank you for Vlad and um and your presentation as well. Thank you. So, um I just wanted to ask in terms of

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the 60 mil thick HPDE >> Yep. >> um liner, how long is that supposed to last? >> So, I would say I mean I I I If it's installed properly and with the soil cover, I mean you're looking

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40 plus years. I mean this these liners they're been in landfills and and probably longer, but I think I think you can expect 40 plus years from a liner that's installed correctly at that at that thickness. Um, we we've they've been

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installed at landfills all over I mean so it's a so it's a robust liner. >> Okay. And then um, so is that the current liner that we have? >> I I The thickness, I believe, of the current liner is 40 mil. It is HDPE, same material, but it's a little bit

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thinner. >> It's thinner. Okay. >> And I think too, and please clarify me if I'm wrong, easily could be, that the current one should have had a layer of soil over it as well, potentially, maybe not? >> I If I remember correctly from the um, the geotechnical report, it was they

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did mention some um wanting to keep at least some water in the pond. I don't know that it had to have soil. The soil cover helps with uplift and with protect just general protection. Uh, but depending on I I and I well you can correct me if I'm wrong,

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but I believe that there may have been some guidance on water levels in the pond. >> Yes, I from my recollection, there was supposed to be about 5 ft of water in there. And I'm sorry. And that liner was actually 45 mil. >> 45? >> From what I remember for It's called

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Armaflex 45L. Um And that was recommended by the geotech at the time. >> Okay. >> It's in the report. >> And I have one more question. >> Mhm. >> But this is more of a of an explanation, so I I I understand

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it better. Um, you mentioned hydrostatic uplift. Can you explain that a little bit more just us that do not understand the term? >> So, if we set the pond bottom below the groundwater table, that water will push up on that liner. >> Okay. >> So, and we we can do that. We've

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installed and designed liners to account for that. That's not It's not that you can't do that, but you need to make sure your design accounts for that uplift. Um if we keep that pond bottom elevation that liner above the uh water table, we

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still have protections in place, but we don't expect that we It's not something we expect to see regularly, >> Okay. >> but we still put protections in place through venting to allow that pressure to be relieved if if we have extreme events.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. That's all I had. Thank you. >> Please. >> I >> I pretty much only had a couple questions, and basically my questions were the core sampling, um you know, are we going to rely on core samples that were done previously, or

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are we going to do core testing ourselves? >> we've been discussing that internally. For the west pond, we're comfortable with the information we have. For the east pond, we we once we kind of have a feel for the concept, that's going to probably dictate whether or not there's

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some uh additional borings required. I know right now those borings kind of go go through the center of that pond for the information that we have. So, that's something that we are considering. We haven't made any firm decisions based on just not having that concept um fully

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vetted yet. So. >> Yeah. >> Can you explain what that is? >> Core sampling? >> Yes. >> See what the chemistry or the makeup of the soil underneath it. The reason I was wanting to ask that is that way we can get a higher level view of what's what

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we can't see. Um the the the The questions I have is basically the under the underneath for the uplift. I want to know the clay versus sand mixture. So, that's what I'm most concerned

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about. >> so Colin here is with Ardaman. He's he's our geotechnical engineer. So, I mean, if there's any specific questions, he can probably give you a kind of a general overview of his knowledge of the area, but but so >> Well, the only reason I say that, we know we've had a failure already and

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that that that makeup that sand versus clay makeup is you know, it may have been specific to a certain area, but we know that it's there's a lot of sand present or it wouldn't have had the blowout.

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Uh what what I'm curious about is a more understanding of of the sand versus clay makeup, you know, cuz that clay can also assist in the uplift as the water fresh water. You know, it it's it's a

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structural support for up and down. So, I'm I'm more interested in how thick that is. >> Okay. Do you have any >> Yeah, certainly doing some >> If you can speak to the mic, I'm sorry, just so anybody watching online can can

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hear you as well. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Thank you very much. >> Um certainly I understand what you're saying and I I agree doing some additional soil borings we would probably do what's called a standard penetration test soil boring which recovers both the physical sample of the type of soil we have as well as a

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measurement of the relative density of the soil. Performance of those soil borings throughout some of these pond bottoms will give us a better idea of the general soil profile we're dealing with. We do know in this in this exact area that typically we have upper fairly

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clean sands over a transition to much heavier clay sands. Yes. Cuz the clean sand is more of a filter. Yes. And that interface between the upper clean sands and the deeper clay sands is very important to your point and it's not

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flat. It's not uniform. The elevation of that interface varies, particularly when you get into the the changing topography. There is a lot of changing topography here. Have it, you know, originally the bottom to the east was was more level, but then we had a distinct hillside coming up and there

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are clay soils in that hillside. You can see them if you >> One of the reasons I was asking that, being a a lifelong resident, I I understand the area quite well. I just want to make sure that that we may assume that there's clay there and it may have been extracted many years ago,

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but >> Yeah. >> I'd I'd like to know a little bit, you know, and we and we can go from the weakest point work out. I would suggest that we do a lot of core sampling at the weakest point and then find some consistency as we move out. Would be one of my recommendations.

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>> Yeah, I don't disagree. Yeah, I mean, I think having an understanding of that will help. We can certainly accommodate it as part of the design. It's already on our radar to do so, but having the more data we have on that the better so that we can see how that transition occurs, particularly as you go west up

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the hillside. >> Well, the the other thing I want to add is I am so thankful you are here because it gives a sense of of you know, professionalism. You know, you understand what what we're looking at and I appreciate you know,

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let's try to be as transparent as we can with that. I can help support that. >> Great. >> One of the reasons why I understand what the material you're going to be supplying us with, I want to understand it a little bit and I can help support that with the other group. >> Okay, very good. I appreciate that.

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Thank you. >> And just for the record, if you can state your name. >> Yes, my name is Colin Jewsbury. I'm a Orlando branch manager for Ardman and Associates, geotechnical engineers supporting Tet Tech in this effort. >> All right, thank you.

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So, when they initially filled the sinkhole, what did they use cuz you said specify that liner liner subgrade must be properly compacted and free of gravel or rock fragments. What did they originally

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fill the >> the chimney itself with? >> It was supposed to be riprap. >> Yeah, there it was originally one thing and then some other things got thrown in there as well. So, and that's on the East Pond that that Vice Mayor Cecilia was talking about right now. So, >> Oh, so that's the East Pond. So, we're

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So, we're talking about now the West >> We're we're talking about both. But, so the East Pond has not been as thoroughly gone through yet and overlooked >> Right. >> as the West Pond has. So, we're prioritizing the West Pond to get that up and running. East Pond's a little bit not a little bit, it's a lot more complex and a lot larger and a lot more

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expensive as well. So, >> But, the West Pond is not deep. >> True. >> So, >> Yes. >> The reason I was doing that was to get a better understanding of what that that area looks like. Cuz we know, you know, the the the hazards are there. So, the

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the more understanding we have underneath the pond, the the better off we know it's not going to reoccur. Yes. >> So, when the West Pond does get renovated that it's working up and working, how will that connect with the

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East Pond? How What's the design that you have that will start with the East Pond? And then the other question is, can you give an estimate of the cost for the West Pond at this stage? >> Yeah, so the two ponds are not connected

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and I don't think the intention for the design is they're not going to be connected in the future. >> They're not connected. They won't be connected. >> connected. I'm going to try to go >> They will be connected through a pipe underneath the ground. >> Correct. So, >> Is that the question you're asking?

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>> Yeah, because if they repair the west pond and they haven't even started to do the east pond, I just want to make sure that when the west pond is up and going that it's not depending on the east pond. Well, the east pond is not depending on the west

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pond. It'll be two separate ponds. >> Correct. Correct. So, there's a 42-in pipe that goes to the to the east pond and there's a 42-in pipe that goes to the west pond. Those two pipes will be connected with the construction of the pump station.

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So, and they have valves so we can isolate either one of the ponds and draw water from one or the other or we can draw water simultaneously from both. >> Okay. >> And the connection [clears throat] basically at the top where you see, I don't know if I can point out to this,

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but you can see the point of connection between where the blue area is and the gray area, the closest point between the two ponds. There is a berm at about elevation of 95 and that's primarily for maintenance and to keep the two ponds separate.

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So, >> saying 95? Where? >> Yes, it's about 95 elevation. >> Okay. >> The top of the pond that separates the two. >> Okay. Am I looking at the right one? >> So, it'd be in that right where you were looking on that that slide, yeah. >> Okay.

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So, have you been to the to the west pond? I mean, >> Yes. >> Oh, you have. Okay. So, tell me just kind of an estimated of the cost of what it's going to >> We We haven't done a We haven't done a cost estimate yet, but I'd say for a pond of that size, 8 acres

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for that liner, uh if you don't have to bring in fill, I think order of magnitude, any anywhere from half a million to $750,000. >> So, I heard you kind of say you had to excavate more from from the

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the the ground of the west pond. >> Yes, the the >> And you're going to use this what you excavate from it, you're going to reuse in the west >> That would be ideal assuming that soil is good to be reused and we Yeah, the

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idea is to over excavate so that we can use that soil for the cover on the liner. >> Why do I remember that that was kind of the problem in the first place that it was over excavated? >> That That's probably maybe the discussion at the time was about the

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east pond. On the west pond that wasn't the case. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Yeah, cuz I do remember I do remember that that was a problem with over excavation. >> Correct. Yes. >> So, now if the soil is not it cannot be used, where are you going

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to get the soil from? >> So, it it that that that depends on it depends on a lot of things, but yeah, it would have to be sourced and depending on where it's sourced, that impacts the the cost of the fill. Um but yeah, we haven't gone into

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looking at where fill would be uh brought in from at this point. >> And if that's I mean, it would probably be like a a four times cost multiplier, correct? To to that five to 750 if we had to bring in fill. >> It it dep- It depends on the amount of fill, but

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yeah, you're you're looking at at least at least probably doubling your cost. It's 26,000 cubic yards based on the acreage of the pond and and kind of rough or

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I'll say numbers that we've seen presently about $17 a cubic yard, but that number can vary depending on where that fill is having to be trucked in from, so. >> If If can make a recommendation, uh have a contingency plan. So, in other words,

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have two plans going on at the same time. So, obviously follow one, but in the event that that does happen, we have this we have another plan, so we're not playing catch-up. >> Correct. Yeah, so it Yeah, it wouldn't So, what the way that works the way that we would [clears throat] approach that from a design standpoint is it doesn't

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really change the design. It just changes whether or not the soil can be used. So, when we bid that work, we make sure there is there is that that's identified and that that the contractors have to they're aware of that and when when that soil is

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when the determination is made, there's already a price or at least a unit price for bringing in fill. So, it's it's a decision that's made early in the once that liner can kind of be removed. But yes, as far as the design goes,

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there is language in the the contract requirements that require the contractor to be prepared for that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But it it would start with the sampling. I mean, cuz >> Yes, with the sampling. >> Yes, yeah, one step actually sets our

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our path what direction >> Correct. Once we can start tearing apart that liner and really looking at the underlying soil conditions, that's that's that's correct. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions for up here, at all? Uh what I want to do now is allow the public to ask a few questions and then hopefully we can have a little bit of

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dialogue just to make sure that anything that's kind of out there that maybe we're not thinking of that the public can ask and and get a comfort level as well. Sure. Uh anybody from the public wish to speak on this? >> Albert McGinley, 3603 Golden Gem Road. In the first instance, we're speaking about borings. I don't think borings are applicable in the east pond. We should

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be looking at electrical resistivity and we should be looking at uh sonic buoys because we have no idea what depths anomalies lie underneath that pond. We don't know idea how many of them there are. Uh you might argue I'm not an expert, but then again, I'm an engineer. Maybe

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that was 30 years ago, but I do know the questions to ask, and I now know where to find the answers. It's called artificial intelligence, and that gives me access to the all the experts in the world. So, I'm confident that what I say here today, I can back up. First thing,

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107 million gallons of water was pumped into the East Pond. Yet, when it collapsed, there was 300 million gallons of water according to DEQ in that pond. There's 200 million gallons of water unaccounted for. Where did that 200 million gallons come from? I'll tell you where it come from,

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and nobody's spoken about today. It came from inadequate drainage on that site. The liner seams did burst, but it's a chicken and egg situation. Why did the liner seams burst? Was it because there was erosion underneath the liner, and material was moved from under the liner? The liner seams were only rated,

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I think, about 100 PSI or tested to 300 PSI. The minute there was erosion under the liner, you were going to get collapse. Next thing, the East berm was a man-made berm. The pond was dug out, then material was bulldozed over to the East berm. So, that's a man-made feature that was never potentially properly

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compacted. There's a whole lot of things that I don't know, but what I do know is prior to anything happening here, there's satellite pictures that show what's called hippos or wheels, which is protrusions coming up from under the liner of the pond. Those typically were

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in alignment with the East berm, and they were at the north end of the berm, and I counted 12, which appeared and disappeared over a period of time. Now, we could say those were gas, but if they were gas, is that methane

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gas? Is that gas that originated from organic material that rotted under the pond? The answer is no, because I have pictures of the pond being excavated, of pictures of the liner going in. All the organic material was moved from that pond. So, if there was gas coming up or

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I'll tell you where it came from. It came from the displacement of air underneath the liner pushing up. And that displacement of air came from water running down the road from Golden Gem Road ingressing underneath the pond. You can see all around the pond the

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discoloration is clear residue. And it's all around the pond. So, what I'm going to say to you is we need radical drainage rearrangement round about that pond. When that pond was built it was problematic because it was the largest pond of its type and there wasn't a lot

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of research had been done at that particular time. Were there mistakes made in the construction of the pond? Yeah, there was. We could have done with proper drainage underneath the pond. We could have done with something to to stop the air building up and the hippos rising. But there are a whole lot of things that

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I'm not here to to to make it difficult for them. I would rather give them the information that I have and help them decide the best way to move forward this. And I think I have more information than anybody in the area in terms of photographs and what's happened in that pond.

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>> Thank you, Mr. McInnis. Two of the things that are definitely of concern is definitely the berm on the east side, that east pond berm, the bigger one there. I'm from my understanding we haven't done any type of site analysis or any type of analysis into that yet. Correct? Okay.

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But that will be part of when we do take a deeper dive into the east pond, that'll be part of that evaluation, correct? >> That's correct. >> Okay. And then the if you can for this one I I just want to make sure everybody can hear the answer this. Do we have a drainage plan or will that be coming up

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for any type of water runoff on site to make sure that nothing's getting under the the liner because that was what was identified previously that potentially attributed to that failure of the east liner. So, are we planning for that? Is that already built into the plan in some capacity?

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>> Yeah, correct. Similar to the West Pond, uh the liner design will account for any will have um drainage or drainage and vents for drainage or uh release of any gas or air. So, it does have a system built in to allow that pressure to be

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relieved. Now, the drainage for water is, you know, the gas the gas venting is um passive. The drainage for water is has something that has to be monitored and can be pumped out if there's looks to be an issue. Um but again, part of

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the drainage for part of the part of the design will be to make sure what we're accounting for groundwater levels and the that clay soil uh silty layer that he mentioned where it kind of runs down the road and it comes in at above that pond elevation. So, our

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design will account for those and make sure that we can handle any uplift, whether it be from groundwater, uh perched water, or um trapped air or gas for that matter. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, in that design, are we going through your team with that? >> For the East Pond?

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>> West Pond. Both. Well, either one. >> Yes. Yes. >> So, yes was the answer. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay, perfect. Any additional questions with that? Any of that additional information? >> No. >> Uh do you have any question I have in terms of the pump station? Are you will you be designing that too or is that

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something that's separate? >> That's a separate consultant. Our our only role is to make sure that the penetrations that come into the pond through the liner to pull water for the pump station are done in a way that it doesn't impact the liner. So, our design will account for that pipe penetration, but but that's all.

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>> And then I I guess Vlad Vlad's um Vlad, in terms of the pump station, is that going is that that pump station designed to support us in terms of the water levels, uh making sure that we're not getting too much, but we're not getting

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too little and >> Correct. >> compensating if necessary. [clears throat] >> Correct. That system is designed actually for the build out conditions. So, regionally the anticipation is to have 12 million gallons a day extracted from this uh site, from these two ponds. Now, the

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the new [clears throat] permit will allow for 13.8. That is to accommodate all the demand north of the facility, which is about every everything that will that will go to the south. So, some water will go to the south. That's about 5 million gallons, and the rest of it up to 3.8

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million gallons will go to the north. That's because of the KPI and all the development that we're seeing that that area. >> And that And that will support water pressure up in that area, correct? >> Uh correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And something I did want to address with that, if you're able to go back to the

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slide specific to uh reclaimed water utility service area. >> Uh the testing we need to go back. >> Cuz it's I'm going to go I knew that we're going to have to go >> Is this one? >> Yeah, I just want to add a little more detail as well. Yes, thank you. So, if you look to the bottom, kind of perfectly centered, but then a little

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bit further north, you'll see a green line that jets to the right a little bit, so to the east. So, that's that's a project that is in the works in some capacity. I'm not exactly sure where we're at with that, but I know it's it's getting pushed forward to basically help get water to that north area in a much

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faster capacity and in a quicker way. So, we're working on that to make sure cuz I know we did receive emails specific to getting water and water pressure >> And Rock Springs Road. >> Correct. Rock Springs pretty much all of our northern communities are experiencing this issue. So, that will be a a shorter-term fix that will get

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that pressure out there um and get water uh to the north quicker. So, that project's in the works right now and moving forward. In addition to that, though, this will all be connected to a I'm going to get the vernacular wrong right now, but a circular system that's all connected, being the Golden Gem Pond as well as to

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Northwest Rec uh all the way down to the Cleveland facility as well. So, this will help to build all that out, but that that green kind of sliver there is what's going to be that first hurdle to overcome to make sure that water is getting up there and then the Golden Gem reuse pond, once it's up and going, will

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also be that kind of almost redundancy or backup to make sure that that pressure is consistent and not residents are going to have any experiences down there right now. >> And that's the Golden Gem? >> Well, Golden Gem is going to help with that and that'll help with Rock Springs Ridge, all of our new developments in

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the KPI, any current off of Jolly Parkway, Happy Lane, all of those up there and even some Popka High School I think is even on the north side, if I'm not mistaken. >> I fed from the north side. >> Yes, it is over just off Ficaro. >> Yeah, so it's that's kind of the line there. So, this

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this green pipe in the middle though is what's going to help to really get us cuz I I want to say there's no pipe there now right and it's it'll be a 30-in pipe. >> There will be a 30-in pipe, correct. >> Going all the way up there. So, that gets the water. The issue that that's been somewhat of a

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misstatement is we it's not that we don't have enough water, it's we don't have the ability to move the water quick enough. So, this is what this will help to do is is get water where we need it the time that we need it. Staff has done great with what we've had, but these are the additional

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steps that will take to to properly serve our residents now and the new ones coming in. >> Right, cuz there's one division the new one Pumpkin that they only have like an 18-in pipe. >> On Pumpkin?

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>> Because they're the ones right off Pumpkin they the gated community off Pumpkin. >> What kind of a run? >> Oh, Picaro run. >> What kind of run? Yes, that's what I was told that that particular subdivision has an 18-in pipe. That's why they have

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a lot of problems with pressure. >> Yeah, there is a 16-in I think in front of the property. Yes, but the one connecting to it is a 12. So that's where the construction is and that's what we're trying to do with extending this 30-in we're trying to expand that

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to at least 16, maybe 18-in going to the west. And also interconnect from the backside the system because they have the they have a separate entrance on the west side of Rogers Road. So once all of that is

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interconnected I'm hoping they're going to have a better pressure there. There's some Yeah, well there there there are a few I'm saying this because there are a few pipelines there about 4-in there. They may have to be inside the subdivision. They may have to

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be upsized to six. >> So now the new subdivision in front of Wakaya Run Park and what is there the pipes there? >> Is it Punky Pines I think? >> Punky Pines to to the north? That's Wakaya Ranch I think. It's >> Maybe that's it.

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>> Is it either way to the west of Northwest right. Immediately bordering yeah. >> Correct. They they just finished the phase one they're moving into phase two possibly phase three. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So they'll have and that's and that's an additional issue that we're dealing with

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right now is that we in our wise wise government planning is we have plumbing pipes that are going from 4-in 12-in back to 4-in back to 30-in so it's >> Yeah. >> We're trying to get that consistent and large and you know >> goal is to loop the system everywhere

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possible. So you have supply from at least two connection points. That way you can maintain the pressure. Same thing with the water. >> Same thing with >> Same thing with the water system because otherwise you're going to have stagnant water you're going to have you're going

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to have to flush the hydrants too many times and just Yeah, it's it's problem. >> So that looping system is is I guess the key to make sure water is going where it needs to be. >> That's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other uh public comments specific to this?

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>> I think there's a whole lot more here that we should have really been discussing for the good of the town in the future. Uh I feel that >> Please come up to the mic. >> Albert McKimmy, 3603 Golden Gem Road. I feel there's a whole lot of things here tonight that we're not discussing that should have been discussed.

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It's all going to come down to costs, and I'm going to stick my neck out. I've never put from the fact that at the end of the day we're going to spend $25 million at least on getting this facility up and running. And that does include the pumps and things that we're going to put into. But really what we should be doing is

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having a far broader discussion on how the city could use an alternative manner of thinking to facilitate paying for this. Um we don't have the time tonight to go into that. But let's just Let Let me

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give you an idea how my mind is is is is thinking, cuz it won't take seconds. The amphitheater is a public park. It has retention ponds all round about it. Golden Gem is a retention pond, but it's a closed facility of 103 acres.

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There's a lot that facility could be rearranged into a park. If it was a park, you could use impact fees to redo the park, make pathways, do the drainage. And it wouldn't be coming out of your pocket because repairs to the

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pond itself has to come out the general fund. You can't get grants to repair the ponds. So, and you know, I would like to be part of of a different way of thinking about how we can resolve some of the problems. Uh and tonight I feel that we we we

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minimized the real things that that I'm concerned about for that problem or that that pond. I'm really concerned about the easterly berm, the one that was man-made, because there's already signs showing in that at the bottom of

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the swale where there's been erosion and there's been a collapse on the outside on the easterly side of the easterly bank. There's all sorts of things that we're not mentioning, and I think they need to be addressed. And I've made myself available to

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the public works department. Nobody's ever called me. I've got the documentation. I've got the photographs. And gentlemen, you're the engineers of record. That pond wasn't filled with riprap. It was filled with construction rubble, and there was a mound of that gravel. They then put grout on top of

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it. You've no idea if there's erosion of that gravel underneath, and there could possibly be another sinkage where the repair was made. I have the photographs. I have the videos. You're welcome to have them. Give me your business card, and I'll come. I'm not looking to attribute blame. I just want to make sure this doesn't

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happen again. >> No, I don't think you for that. And what I want to make sure, and I know it's we're still kind of shifting to new leadership here. This isn't going to be our last discussion on this. It's not going to be our last. We're going to continue to make sure that everybody's updated, questions are answered, updated presentations as we get new information

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are coming. So, I want to make sure this isn't the only one we're having. We're going to continue to come out here as we find that new information. So, I just I want to make sure that you're aware of that as well, that to the public, to the commission, this isn't our last time by any means. As the new information comes, you guys will get it. And hopefully you guys have started to see that too on the back

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>> Yes. >> Information I'm trying to get to you guys as quick as possible to make sure that when I know it, you guys know it, and the public can know it. So, um well received on that, and I did see that, you know, ammenitizing that area um into some type of park space is creative. So, there's also there's a

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safety component to that as well. You want to make sure that you can do it in a balanced way. So, well received for sure, and uh each step will have an update. I promise you that. So, this pond is a much, much, much bigger discussion. There's so much more to unpack with that on almost every

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single level. So, um again, this won't be the final one. There will be updates, uh presentations, and and as we get that information, the public and the commissioners will be getting that as well. So, I I promise you that. Any other public comment on this? Radley, anything?

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>> Uh no, just wish you good luck. >> Nope, I don't have anything. >> Perfect. Um let me see. How much time have we got left? So, what we can do now is we can shift to is there any specific public comment, just general public comment of any topics that we want want to be discussed

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other than the Golden Gem Pond at all? Is there anything? >> Well, something I just wanted I know that these workshops just I want to apologize, but I previously had a medical appointment scheduled actually 2 months in advance. So, I'm just asking with these workshops in order for me to change that particular appointment that

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I have every month, I need like a 2-week notice to change it cuz I have to go to that appointment. >> Understood. Yeah. And and sorry that maybe this wasn't articulated properly. So, I apologize. >> Okay. >> Again, we're still working on the calendar. So, yes, absolutely. >> I just need 2-week notice now. I can change my appointment. >> Absolutely. No, I apologize for that.

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So, we'll make sure the calendars are updated. We're still working on that. And you may have I actually just got my calendar updated specifically, and it was too much stuff now. So, I'm trying to um I'm getting too much information on too. We'll make sure that's why I apologize. Absolutely. Um all right. No no public comment. Is there anything specific do we want to go

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down this list a little bit to discuss anything else or we want to maybe focus on one thing next uh next workshop, so the second meeting in July to to discuss maybe the the appointments of mayor commissioners to boards, Metro Plan, and Lang. Um >> Right. Um >> Do you want to save that for for that

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next >> I just had a question. Um so, uh Mr. Williams, Radley, if you could um just give me a structure of the different boards, who's on the different boards, what are the terms of the

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different boards, so that way I I know what they are, so I have them available just for my own >> Sure. Sure we can pull together what we what we're currently involved with and everybody yeah. >> Yes, please. Thank you. >> Just understand exactly a little more detail there. >> Yeah, just it gives me an idea cuz I

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obviously through your discussion Commissioner Anderson, I know you're part of the Metro plan and I know obviously that our Vice Mayor is part of our Lake Apopka board, but I didn't know if there's other boards that they participate in, what they are, what's the term of each board, you know, just

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again, gives me some knowledge. >> All of us. >> All of us, everybody. >> And the residents as well. So you know, that's absolutely >> that. Thank you. >> all got on the same page with that. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Anything else we want to discuss right now? This is the time. >> Other than um you know, I I'd like to get an update

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with the pioneering agreement cuz I am seeing on social media kind of these little videos of where, you know, what's coming with Wild Oaks. They have a They have an apartment build a dwelling multi-dwelling, but yet I know that we still have an issue with the widening of

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Kelly Park. And um my understanding from our finance director that there is a third amendment, has it been agreed upon, signed? Nothing. >> And so I'll give a

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I don't want to misspeak by any means a kind of a brief update of what I know so far. Last time I talked to her was maybe a week and a half ago. So I I may not have the most up-to-up-to-up-to-date, but um Mr. Williams can probably fill in a little bit. So what happened was that there was uh extensive delays on

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I'll take it back a little bit more. The whole point of the pioneer agreement is to get a new road quicker and cheaper than what the city could build it themselves. Right. That was That's the impetus for having a pioneer agreement in this capacity. It's going to be cheaper, faster, give our residents exactly what they need. Problem is it's taking longer and looks like it's going

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to be more expensive now. So, when I came into office, I realized there were some provisions within the pioneer agreement that uh weren't being followed and timelines that were not being kept up with. Uh inclusive of one being that we need to notify the pioneers within this

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agreement that the project was going to be more expensive than what originally and Mr. Rowland, please jump in if I get any of this incorrect. Uh more expensive than what it was originally agreed to or estimated at. We're we were required to give that notice. That notice was never given ever and we knew that

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a while back. So, I immediately gave that notice because what that notice does is then puts the developers on notice that, "Hey, you have to contribute more funds at this point or we have to contribute more funds or we just need to cancel it and do the road ourselves." So, that's what it it just makes sure that kind of

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brings everyone back to the table, gets the ball rolling again because we were really stalled out on this. So, we provided that I think we got somewhat to an agreement of where this cost is coming in at. I want to say it's around 25 to 26 million now, whereas it was substantially less than that before. Um

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maybe by 10 million less-ish, somewhere in that range. So, they're they seem to understand that. So, there's that. What there was a discrepancy on what properties impact fees apply to this

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fund that would pay for this as well. So, on this third amendment or agreement, that's still being worked out if I'm not mistaken. So, it was basically does it only include the pioneers' properties and only the impact fees that they would owe or does it include all of the Kelly Park Interchange properties whether

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whether the pioneers are part of it or not or does it only include west of uh Plymouth Sorrento Road properties? So, there were just some discrepancies there and and what I had also requested is that I don't want to continue to do multiple amendments. Let's get this amendment done with all the updates that

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we need. If there's any clarity or any ambiguity, let's get it done on this third amendment. So, from my understanding, we're we're close there. Uh and the one biggest hiccup we're dealing with now is that we still don't have all of the right away. There's one holdout right now

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that we're working through and we need to make a decision soon. And I'll have the attorney Shepard update us and we I'll if it's okay, I'm going to have him give a proper update at the next workshop of how we want to move forward on um gaining

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the right away. >> Right. Only cuz I don't want to see this Wild Oaks kind of fall on the wayside as we did with the Station Street downtown where we just kind of let it roll and here we are, you know.

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>> Well, that's where I wanted to come in. If there's a provision in there that we need to be holding ourselves or anybody else feet to the fire. We're part of this agreement, so I want to make sure that the provision's in place we're all following. >> Yeah. >> Um so they it it I'll tell you it brought everyone back to the table very quickly and they are actively involved

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and the success of all of our all of the projects in that area and for our residents, new and current, will be that road widening including some other roads in the area. So my point was either get the road done as agreed to so

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that our residents can use it or we'll cancel this and we'll just build the road ourselves at this point with those same impact fees. >> Okay. >> So it was one of the I just need the road. >> Yeah. >> At the end of the day, we need the road for our residents. However they want to figure it out as long as we are not being hurt in that manner in any

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financial capacity. But there's just a lot of delays to it. So Mr. Williams, did I miss anything or anything you want to correct? >> No, like you mentioned, we do have a proposed third amendment. The last uh staff the last several weeks have been reviewing that proposal from the developers from the Pioneers. We are at a point we're going to be getting with the mayor here again to kind of recap

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review the staff's uh review of the proposed amendment and then potentially be bringing that to commission here very soon for consideration. So things are progressing still. Uh it's just taking us a little time to make sure >> We get it right. >> We're checking everything. As Mayor mentioned,

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we really want this to be the last amendment that we're going to bring forward. >> Is that helpful? >> It is, only because you know me with social media and all of a sudden I'm seeing all these videos and I'm like Wait a minute, we still haven't done the road.

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>> have a road. Yes, agreed. No, and and that's where for me it's I wanted to motivate >> And a lot of those videos are just marketing videos of real truth. So, I would get caught up on social media marketing videos. >> Correct. >> You know what? They The regular public doesn't know that. >> No, yeah. >> They're waiting for that and then what

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happens and I'm at the supermarket and I'm local, the first thing they say is When is this happening? >> But I think it's so important for us to express that information on social media isn't the gospel. >> Isn't always right. >> It's not always right. >> And Michael, too, is in in in the background, too. I want to make sure that I'm getting you guys information as

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quick as possible as well so that you can easily know, "Okay, that's not true." Or "Hey, it is true and it's what it is." So, it's going to That's been a big thing for me to make sure the commission gets the information as quick as possible. >> we have to think about the public. If it's being disseminated to them however,

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which way, whether it's social media, social videos, they don't they're not here knowing that behind the scenes these are some of the issues. They're seeing this and they're like, "All right, when is this happening and how quick and how soon and why isn't it happening?" >> No, I agree, but I think it's really

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important for us as a council also to express the importance that things on social media >> are not accurate. >> Absolutely. All the time. Not even a percentage of the >> And also, too, in the background, something we're working on is creating a a a really robust marketing team as well so that it helps to get the information out more articulated. Um >> Yeah, that's right.

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>> So, that will get Do we have a P P I O? >> Not yet. >> Not yet. >> We're working on it. Actively working on it. >> Okay, that's that we do need. >> Yes, I'm totally agreeing. Any other topics or anything you just want kind of a high-level update on from anything, anybody? >> No, Mike I was just going to ask these

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items, these future workshop discussion items, is it something that you want to put on or is it something that you're asking or asking if this is something you want us to consider putting workshops or I was just trying to >> How I was thinking about this is these were provided to me, I think, from or

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provided to my office from from the commission. So, I I would like to go through each one of them, kind of knock them out and just kind of go down the list. And we are I'm happy to re-prioritize however you want to prioritize them or, hey, that's not a priority anymore, we don't want to talk about it, which is I'm fine with. So, that was kind of my

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setup or what my I was expecting to do, but >> I guess whoever took the suggestions of the topic should be the one probably leading the charge with it cuz those none of my recommendations. So, I guess whose recommendations were some for the some of the workshops. I think that's important. >> Well, I'll take the ownership of the one

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at the first one because I truly believe the mayor ought to be part of the Metro board. Um you're you're you're sitting on a board with all the other mayors. >> That's not accurate. >> uh immediately commit you speak for the city.

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Um you had a mandate. The mandate was the city wanted a strong mayor. We need a strong mayor sitting with the other mayors. Um the other thing is we don't have a alternate to it. And I think it's important every other

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city has an alternate to it. We're the only one that does not have an alternate. >> Well, >> The other thing is they the alternate uh they don't call it an alternate, they call it president. So, you know, the Orlando has

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three or four. Uh Altamonte has two. Maitland has two. Pretty much, if you go down the list, all of them have multiple representations and we have one. >> So, to clarify something that is actually not accurate, um every member of the

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board is not a mayor. In addition to that, um Well, every every member is not a mayor cuz I'm a member and I'm not a mayor. Um in addition to that, uh we don't make decisions for the city without speaking with the other council. So, we don't make any executive

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decisions for the city without speaking with everyone. So, even a decision has to be made on the metro plan, which I don't think the previous mayor or any mayor have made a decision about the city without voting on it with the council. So, that's actually not accurate at all. >> What do we bring to the table at Metro? >> I'm just I'm

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>> What do we bring to the table? >> I'm a part of the city. >> We have the pool of money and then we we advocate from it from there and then prioritize stuff. So, >> Orange Orange County, their chair is Mayor Demings. They have 1 2 3 four commissioners that sit on that board.

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Now, they can be alternates. It doesn't It says alternates. Three of them are alternates. The primary's the one. Orange County actually has I take that back. They got six alternates. >> So, it's probably all of their commissioners. Everybody >> That's what Which is not a term I think.

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>> I think it's a great idea. We can rotate things around, too, as needed to fit um agendas if for some reason I can't be there or however it is. So, um Ocoee has a mayor. Uh Kissimmee has a mayor. Altamonte has a mayor. Um

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Orlando has the mayor and then their alternates are all commissioners. So, when you ask who who brought it up, I brought it up. But I think that you ought to appoint the alternate. >> Okay. >> They're speaking in your right if they're if they're speaking for the city

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of Apopka, it needs to be you or your alternate. >> We speak as a as there's not one voice for the Apopka. We're commission, we speak together and we vote. So, there's not one voice. >> Well, if you can have that uh if you can send it to Radley Radley, Mr. Williams, excuse me, uh just

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uh convey that to everybody, please. >> Everybody else is an alternate. >> So, what we can do and I'd like to we'll bring it back part of the the overarching appointments in general at the next workshop and can kind of go from there. Again, at the workshop we can't make any decisions, just keep that in mind. So, just be mindful of that,

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but definitely able to articulate where we go. >> one The other one was the Apopka Natural Gas. They're uh they are having an election. The charter of the Apopka Natural Gas mentions that you've got to have three elected officials on that. One of them is up and they have only got

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four. I mean uh three. One of them is up for election. So, if that person's off, then we're going to be out of charter for the next meeting. >> Okay. All right, we'll look into that then, Mr. Williams. We'll take a look at

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>> Yeah, and I did uh Tammy did gather some information on Lake Apopka Natural Gas and the processes for membership. So, we do have that information. I can share that. >> Perfect. We can bring that back at the next workshop as well and then if we need to or if we choose to add that to the next agenda. So, that'd be the first one in

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August. We can make some changes if we want to. If not, or if we want to create a policy of some sort, whatever that looks like, so that maybe things are rotated around. Uh however we want Whatever that looks like. We can bring that up if we want to then, but let's have a more um articulated conversation.

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>> of street dollars get mentioned there and I want I want to make sure that we're advocating for those dollars that we're talking about right now. >> No, absolutely. And it doesn't And it don't only the American advocate, also the commission can advocate as well. So, anyone can advocate. We all have an equal advocacy voice. >> Well, yeah, we'll we'll discuss it in

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detail. Get get a little more uh a little more information for all of us so that we're we're kind of speaking from the same uh book there. So, we will we'll prioritize that for the next meeting for sure. Uh next workshop, excuse me. >> Okay. >> Anything else we want to kind of hit before we break for the meeting? >> Nope.

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>> Mhm. >> I appreciate everyone's time. Thank you. Yeah, public comment? >> Yes, please. >> Hello everyone. There's going to be another meeting for the Golden Gym. Another workshop, is that what we're talking about? >> Yes.

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It's not set yet, but there is going to be one. First >> Okay. As I listened, oh, by the way, I'm Maribel Mejia Cien. Okay. For the engineers of this project, I would like for the second meeting to have a visual, engineer plans, how this

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is going to look like, maybe a grand UPTV video with the water in the system. So, the people that are watching from home, they get an idea of how these funds are going to look and what material are we using. And also, um, I would like to know if this was a sole

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source contract, um, who are their competitors and who's advocating, um, and negotiating for the city. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Yes, and I answered the first part, the second meeting for sure will This was just preliminary, so we didn't

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have the engineer plans yet, but those will definitely be coming and and articulate in a very palpable way that everybody can understand and ask questions as well. Specific to the sole source, how do we find vendors, Mr. Williams or Yes, please. Ms. Sherman >> Yeah, I'll have Ms. Sherman come down.

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>> Tetra Tech is one of our vendors and we did go out through a solicitation is under a continuing services contract. >> Okay. >> So, they they've done other work for us and it's under contract that was previously bid out. >> Yes. >> And then that's where we've continued that relationship in that capacity. Okay.

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Thank you for that clarity. Any other public comments? >> Um, I got I got one comment and it's reference to the the infrastructure connection. Is there any way that we can, um, be shown the choke points? Not not necessarily today, just

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backfill that with a an ideal to where we you know, if if if a particular 30-in pipe is choked down to 12 in, like to know where that service area is coming from and what it's affected downstream. >> Yeah. Yeah, we can prepare that map.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. Do we bring this for the next meeting maybe? >> If you have it, I mean, uh send it to us, please. And then I can we can put it on as either a presentation or something on the meeting itself. Um as as quick as you got it, let's send it out. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> I think it's important to know >> I totally agree with you. Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Mr. McKinnon. >> Hubert McKinnon, 3603 Golden Gem Road. Some time ago, we entered into negotiation with Orange County for them to take away some of our sanitation

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requirements. We requested 2 million gallons to be taken by them daily. Did we ever get any progress on that? And if we have or if we haven't, where do we stand in future in terms of beginning to plan now for a new sewage reclamation

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plant, which is ultimately going to take four or five years, and as my current understanding is it's going to cost at least 125 million dollars when we do that? I would like to know where our future future planning for that lies. >> Absolutely. And I don't want to misspeak, so please staff interrupt me if I get this one wrong. Uh

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from my understanding, we we have had conversations well before I got elected, but in general there were conversations between Orange County and us to take on some of our reclaimed water or sewage, excuse me, sewage. Uh up to 2 million gallons per day. Right now, we're not using any of it. We don't

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need any of it right now. Uh but it is there. Their facility off of Keene Road, uh to the south of Keene Road, to the east of Apopka, is ready for us whenever we want to. There will be a fee associated with that, and it's in discussions, but it's not needed right now, but it is

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part of the overarching conversation of our infrastructure. But there's not There's no progress, no contracts in place, no agreements. They're not taking any of ours right now, uh and there's no plan in the immediate future, either. But it is there as needed, and from my understanding, uh there's not many other

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municipalities that can connect to that specific plant, either. So, we're kind of the only ones that can use that additional capacity uh from them. >> Sound about right? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> I can listen sometimes. Any other public comment? All right. We will close this up. We

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will see you back at 7:00 for the uh commission meeting. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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like to welcome everybody to the June 17th, 2026 Apakka City Commission meeting and I'd like to uh bring up uh Commissioner Anderson to lead the invocation. >> Okay. Thank you so much. So, I'm going to actually approach the

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Good evening everyone. Could you please join me pastor >> and all please rise? >> And all please rise. So I would like to introduce pastor Dakota. She's the president and CEO of the sharing center and also co-pastor of

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celebration church here in Apka. It is great honor to introduce this great amazing business leader in the community. She advocate for women. She was the former CEO also of Pace Girls. And it's such an honor to have you here. So, thank you.

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>> Good evening and thank you again for having me here. To the mayor, commissioner, city staff, citizens of Apka, thank you so much for the opportunity to open tonight's meeting with prayer. If we will bow our heads as we come before you, heavenly father,

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we come before you tonight with grateful hearts. Father, we thank you for the city of Apopka, for its residents, businesses, schools, f first responders, and the many people who work each day to make this community strong and thriving.

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As we gather tonight to discuss the business of the city, let us remember Lord that the leadership is required from a perspective of responsibility and privilege. The decisions made in this room impact families, businesses,

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children, seniors, and the future of the community of Apka. Scripture reminds us in Proverbs 11 and 14 that where there's no guidance, a people fall, but in the abundance of counsel, there is safety. Lord, we thank you for the leaders

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gathered in this room. Your word tells us in James 1:5 that if anyone lacks wisdom, they should ask of God who gives generously. So tonight, Father, we come together on one accord, praying and asking for wisdom. Grant our mayor, our

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commissioner, city staff and community leaders clarity of thought, sound judgment, integrity, and discernment as they consider matters that affect the lives of so many. Father, help them to lead with humility, courage, and genuine

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desire to serve the common good. May every discussion be marked by respect, every decision guided by your wisdom, and every action motivated by a commitment to the people they serve. We pray tonight, God, for unity within the

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city of Apakka. In a time when division can easily arise, help us to remember that we are stronger when we work together. Give us hearts that seek understanding, solutions that promote flourishing and shared vision. vision

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for a greater greater future. Father, we come tonight on one accord in prayer as we lift up the families of Apopka. Bless the children with the opportunity they need to succeed. Bless our seniors with care and dignity. Bless our businesses

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with growth and our neighborhoods with safety and peace. protect our police officers, firefighters, health care workers, educators, clergy, and all who serve from a servant leadership perspective in this community. Lord, may

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your favor rest upon this city. Let Apopka be known not only for its growth and success, but most of all, Father, let it be known for compassion, character, and commitment to serve others. We lay beside God our desires,

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our wants, and we ask to help us to make the needs of others the most important. As this meeting begins, we ask for your guidance. We ask for blessings upon every agenda item, every conversation, and every decision that must be made.

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And Father, we ask this now and no other name that we know, but the name that has power. The name that when it's called upon, Father God, demons have to flee. When it's called upon, healing takes place. When it's called upon, those things that are dead must resurrect it.

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When it's called upon, your glory is present in the midst. When we call upon your name, all that we desire, all that we ask shall come together. So, Father, we ask this prayer now. And no other name we know but the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. And amen.

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>> Amen. >> Amen. >> Thank you very much. Thank you, Commissioner Anderson. If we can all do the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. All may be seated. >> All right, we will move to the public comment section of our agenda tonight. Uh, Mrs. Bone, do we have the speaker cards? >> Uh, yes. Dr. Jim Moyer.

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>> Good evening, mayor, commissioners. >> Good evening. >> My name is Dr. Jim Moyer. I'm the elected orange and water conservation district 2 supervisor serving northwest Orange. This presentation like all my presentation is mine and mine alone. No

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other individual or organization. However, Mr. Leroy Bell of here in Apakka kind of inspired me to do this particular one. Between 500 and 300 million years ago, there were two super

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continents. Florida was not part of the North America portion of the superc continent. However, the next 100 million years, the two continents came together to form one and Florida was kind of in

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the middle. The that one continent broke apart into pretty much what they are today, except Florida was underwater for the next approximately 170 million years. Okay, that is what formed what

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today's Florida aquifer. The drifting of the plates, the land masses, the limestone when it was underwater. Sand and clay later about 50 million years ago came from the northeast, specifically Appal Appalachian

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Mountains. The sea level rises and falls, change the sha shapes, and acidic groundwater in the northwest and southeast broke apart some of the limestone. Here's a picture of the aquifer, but you notice it's not exactly

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the same all throughout uh the whole entire state. It also goes into southeast portions of the US a little bit as well. Right now, 90% of Florida and 100% of Orange County uh get their water, their

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potable water from the aquafer. During the wet season, of course, we hope the aquafer is replenished. During the dry season, we pray that we can get through it and uh without uh warnings and restrictions.

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Within Orange County, it's not the same. Here in the west, the water is replenished from near the surface. So, which means the more pollutants can get into the water system. It's a higher

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risk of pollutants, runoffs, and our area, as you know, is is historically more agriculture and more septic towns. Uh, so using my D2C3 all the year round, we should change our habits. conserve

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water use, but here in the western part, it's even more important to clean the water bodies and prevent pollution from going down into the aquifer. Thank you for your time. God bless you all. >> Thank you, Dr. Moyer. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> And before we do the next one, I just want to apologize. I know it's a little warm in here. I apologize. I summer I got in here at 2:30 to turn it down and doesn't seem like it's keeping up sometimes. So, I apologize for that. Please, next speaker card. Okay. Stacy Brian, Stacy Brian, PO Box 315 of Hopka 32704.

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Um, I'm coming before you tonight to speak on Mabel Powell's behalf. Um, Miss Mabel is one of the homeless or unhoused people that spends most of her time underneath the walking bridge. And on Monday, um, there was a rain delay. I was out walking and I sat down just to

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speak with her and we were talking and just kind of small talking. Um, we've had a lot of conversations about God, about the Bible, about all sorts of things from our past, just getting to know one another. I consider her a friend. And through all of that, we've

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never had a political conversation. Um during that conversation on Monday, she said, "Stacy," she goes, "Who's the mayor of Apakka?" And I said, "Miss Mabel, you don't know who the mayor is?" And she goes, "No." And so I told her, and she says, "I don't know him." I

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said, "Yeah." I said, "You probably do." And I pulled up your picture um and showed her your picture and she said, "Yeah, I've seen him around." She said, "Stacy?" She says, "Do you think that he supports homeless?" And I said, 'I can't answer that for you, Miss Mabel. But I

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said, 'I would like to think that he does. And I said, not only that, I said, I can tell you that back before he was mayor, he was a commissioner. And when he was a commissioner, there was talk about a resource center being created. And he actually mentioned one of the

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buildings within the cemetery to be used for a possible resource center. And so we began talking about what the homeless actually need. um she has lost her identification, her um Medicare cards, um pretty much all of the time. She's

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constantly replacing something. Um and she has a lot of needs as as do all of the homeless. She is currently 75 years old on the streets. She'll be 76 in August. And so I just wanted to bring

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this to your attention. She wasn't comfortable enough and she said, "Stacy, will you talk to them for me?" She says, "Will you tell them that we need a place?" So, I am coming to advocate for Mabel Pal who has been on the streets in Apakka since the 1980s. Um, she has

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family here in Apopka. her son lives in Apopka and when she is off the streets she's with her son but when she's not um physically or mentally able she is usually underneath a bridge during the

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day. So I wanted to bring that to your attention. I wanted to let you know that the homeless really do need a resource center and that they are crying out for those resources. Thank you. >> Thank you Pastor Brian. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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Okay. Albert McK 360 Golden Gem Road. Mayor, commissioners, you all find yourselves here tonight for two reasons. One was perception and the other was morale. The morale in this city became so poor and that was due to the perception of

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injustice and people wanted a change. I would like to see a change in the culture in the city. For too many years I've come here and my mind goes back to a young man called Net Naret Dan who came here and complained that he was a

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whistleblower and that he saw bullying in the city employed and he went to HR made a complaint and subsequently his position was terminated for one reason or another and he never felt that he got justice. So this isn't something that's

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a new perception. It's something that's been going on for a while. And currently, as much as some of the commissioners say that what goes on in social media is rubbish, then you know what? I don't report on anything. It's rubbish. I only report on facts. And I don't know the facts. I only can tell

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you that the perception is that the employees are unhappy and the public are unhappy because it's not a happy work environment. And the perception has to be that any business coming to Apopka is going to judge you on how you deal with bullying

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in the workplace. It's going to judge you on how we deal with sexual harassment in the workplace. Now, I'm not saying that's going on, but what I'm saying is there's a perception that the morale in the city employees is not

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good. There's a perception that public servants in the fire service or the police service face difficulties if they have some complaint that happens at work and

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that their health insurance is in a difficult position while they go through workers comp or whatever. Now, I can't attest to to what those conditions are and why those people are facing difficulties, but what I'm here to ask is, do we need to look at the policy? Do

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we need to look and see how public employees are being treated? If they suffer accidents or something happens to them in their work environment because if it does and they're subject to hardship because of it, it's not a healthy morale for the rest of the

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staff. It's not going to encourage people to stay in the city of Apopka. If they don't stay, then you're going to be in faced to to offer improved conditions, improved re renumeration to attract other personnel. We want to keep

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who we have. Can we find positions for people who can't actively do what they were supposed to be doing before they became ill just to tide them over? >> Thank you, Mr. Francine. Good evening to the dice.

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>> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> I am reflecting upon our early slaves who settled in what was known as the Rock Spring

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Plantation. Major William Delk and his 20 slaves settled, or I might say homesteaded, a 3,000 acre track of the most environmentally

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sacred land in northwest Orange County. In 1840, Major Delk freed his slaves in Rock Springs in 1863, right after the Emancipation

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Proclamation was signed. He said to them, "You're free to go to avoid having his treasured land seized by the Union Army." William Delt was the father of Joseph Roard,

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who was his biracial son by one of his slaves. Joseph Roard was sought out by none other than Dr. Howard Kelly before Dr. Howard Kelly purchased

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what is known now as Kelly Park or Rock Springs. It was said that Joseph Robart knew the area because of building dams and other environmentally

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things to protect that area. He knew the area very well. So the Apaka chief located Rob Joseph Robart for Dr. Kelly and Dr. Kelly purchased

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Rock Springs in 1926, donating the land to the community for their enjoyment. There were three slave owners, two others besides Delkarts.

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After that time came Sarah me, a freed slave woman who settled at East Sixth Street and McGee better the community became known as

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Sarah Mi's bottom. Sarah introduced the majority of the early black settlers who were there until 1937 when the city passed an ordinance prohibiting black people to live north of the tracks.

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With that said, as we celebrate Junth, I will forever be indebted to our early settlers. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Boy. >> Thank you. >> And Bobby I'm Bobby Boy on Boy Scout Road. Uh

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I've uh got a couple of things about >> Can somebody help her lower the the uh >> I don't want to podium itself. >> Huh? >> Yeah. Because just seeing your eyes. Okay, >> there it is. And then you'll be able to >> Thank you.

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>> challenged. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um couple of years back I reported a hole that was on the corner of it was the southwest corner of 13th Street where it meets Okoya Popka. Uh it was filled

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lasted about three months and it's been still there and growing. It's okay big about three foot long. uh about a foot wide trucks that do cut that corner do fall into that. And uh it's just it just needs to be put on somebody's to fill.

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And uh the other thing uh I have a neighbor that's a trucker and uh he is having issues with trying to get through the uh Eden Crest roundabout. I like the roundabouts, but um I don't think they're the bigger trucks were

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considered on that. Although the center circle there is able to be ridden up on, but what's that going to do to that in the long run? I don't know. Um, when we came here 40 years ago and it

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was a nice little town and was quiet, peaceful and uh about five years after we were here, the headlines on the newspaper was, "So you thought you never see a traffic jam in Apopka." And of course, it's only gotten worse

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since then. But anyway, I I' I'd like, of course, the 267 acres in front of me has all been ripped out and it's now apartments and town houses and everything else and going to be a roundabout for the 429. And uh

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I think a market's going to go in there, which I think the neighborhood will enjoy, and a gas station because it's connected to the 429. And that's about all I need to >> Okay. Okay. Bring us some kind of attention. I don't know. Besides them pumping the water from the retention

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pond over across into Boy Scout Road. >> You said on the corner of it was 13th Street and >> uh Aoya Papa. >> Okay. Thank you. >> It's that southwest corner. >> Understood. >> And it's right there on the curb where it there was a car parked right in the middle of the intersection there. He was

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going to make a left turn. Yeah, we all do it. Uh, so I went ahead and cut that a little bit too short and you know the back back end went into it, but it's it's no damage or anything for the fact that I know I'm probably not the only one and it's it's a yay deep. It's about

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10 10 12 inches deep. >> Well, thank you for bringing it to our attention. We'll take care of that. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Uh, is there anybody else that did not submit a card that would like to speak during public comment? All right. Good evening, Mayor and

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our wonderful commissioners. >> Good evening. >> Glad to be here this morning. this evening. Um, first I want to thank you as I always do. Um, my name is Virginia Street. I got to remember to say that. Virginia Street with compassion in Apopkco. First, I

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just want to thank you for your continued support um for everything everything and I mean everything you continue to do. Not just and I always I continue to say not just um our leadership but the people in the

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audience and people that are online that may be watching that have reached out to me to donate things to purchase things. I I I'm exceedingly overwhelmed by the kindness that we have here in the city of Apopka.

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Um I'd like to thank Pastor Bryant for bringing up Mabel. She's one of my favorite people. Um, and her words and concerns are real. Um, and you hear them in the meeting today. There's stories after stories after

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stories that I listen to. You know, everybody's got a unique story about why they're in a situation they're in, why they're sleeping under the bridge, why they're sleeping in a dumpster, you know, why all these things are happening. Um,

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and you already know that the weather is starting to get hot. We know we can feel it in the room. Okay. But can you imagine having to be unhoused and it's 100° standing outside? Can you imagine that? I, you know, I stand out there with them

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sometimes and I, you know, I can't wait to get in my car just to turn the air conditioning on, you know. So, it is extremely hot. I'm asking um for your help to come up with a remedy.

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I know we're working on a resource center and yes I have told I mean they ask me all the time what is the current administration going to do about a resource center you know and I tell them look things are coming things are coming we're having the meetings that we need to have you know but they need to see

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something um so um I know that the resource center and the things that uh we are currently working on there um are moving in a positive direction faster than they ever have and I appreciate

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that. Um, what I would like to do is I'd like to come up with some ways of trying to help them. I've already seen signs of heat exhaustion, you know, uh, people, you know, passing out because they're so hot. Um, and I just drive around with water in the back

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of my car because I never know who I'm going to see that hadn't had any water for the day, you know. So things that you can think of uh that you can help me with for this hot season that's going to come up cuz I mean it's not even July and

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we're already hitting 100, you know. So um the temperatures are rising, the heat exhaustion is happening. Just please help me as much as you can. Um you can see me personally, you can also go to Compassion and Apopka on Facebook and

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you can contact me there. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Street. Excuse me, mayor. I have question is we had two speakers uh mention the homeless in the resource center. Could we add that to in a workshop so we can discuss? >> Absolutely. >> Thank you so much.

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>> Leroy Bell 2308 Blue Meadows Court AOPA Florida. Just a couple of things right quick. uh all veterans that serve, I would ask them, would they please stand? And for a moment of silence, uh we lost

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eight people at uh Edward Air Force Base in California. Uh a B-52 bomber crashed and we lost all eight. One of the guys served with my grandson Thank you.

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Secondly, uh with the hurricane season coming in, I would just like to ask with the with the palm trees, uh with all the the limbs and stuff hanging over with the high wind, that's how we lose a lot of palm trees. And

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they have this thing they call hurricane. Hurricane the tree. That's where they cut all the limbs out. I believe except two or three that they leave standing up. This way when the wind blow it it don't blow the whole

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tree over. And I would like to ask that. And also, have there been any program in place that to start right now for hurricane awareness here in the city? >> Thank you, Mr. Bell. Uh, specific to the

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palm trees, it's one of my priorities as well, and government works a little bit slower than I prefer, but it's my understanding the palm tree trimming should be starting tomorrow, weather permitting. So, uh, that will be starting on the main thorough affairs because it's we've discussed that in the past and it's one that I've definitely, uh, heard well received and and

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definitely working on specific to hurricane and programs and education side of that. I don't think we have anything formally set. I know the county does in some capacity, but we definitely can do more here locally to to educate and provide more resources. >> So, I was actually at a um I think we all was actually invited to it. I it was

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the um I forgot organization, but they had a a it actually was the what center was that? is a organization that actually with the county that partners with the county and they'll come in and do an educational seminar for our residents. So I'll get the information. I'll get it directly give to you and it'll be Yeah.

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>> Absolutely. It's definitely going to be well warranted and wellreceived. Hopefully we don't have bad hurricanes, but you never know and I'd rather be prepared than not. So >> any other public comment? Anybody that didn't give a card would like to say anything in general? >> All right. Thank you. Then we will close the public comment period. Uh we will

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move on to approval of minutes. Uh, has everyone reviewed those minutes. Any questions, comments, any changes? Then I will look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes of June 3rd, 2026. >> So moved. >> Uh, moved by Commissioner Baron. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor say I.

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>> I. All oppose. >> All right. Motion carries unanimously. Uh, we'll move on to agenda review. Mr. Williams, is there any changes to the agenda? >> Yes. I apologize, mayor and commissioners. Staff need to pull business item number one and number two off of tonight's agenda. Uh we do have some additional adjustments we're

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looking at uh before we bring that back to commission. >> Okay. So that's the city of AFKA's administrative policies number 107.3 procurement proposed revisions. That's business line item number one going to be pulled and then and put on a later date. And then number two, utility estimated billing policy.

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>> And number four for me just for discussion purposes, >> the award of contract. >> So that's for consent. >> Consent. >> Yes, we'll do that. Yeah, these ones specifically are being pulled off the agenda. We're not discussing tonight. So yes, but yeah, we'll we'll get to that and absolutely um because that is important to to pull off and and discuss. So thank you Mr. Williams.

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Anything else on that? >> No sir. >> Thank you for that. Uh next we will move on to proclamations. So I will come down and present those real quick. All right, first one up is our uh code enforcement appreciation week and that week is actually the beginning of June.

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Uh but with June and and I think we had updated the commission on this. We had some changes made from uh code enforcement being under PD to now it's under building. We feel there's a little more synergy there and we're gonna see how it goes. It doesn't go well, back to PD it goes.

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But uh super excited about the changes and and a lot of team players and I wanted some of the code enforcement officers to be here but long days for them so I get it. It's late. So I will read this proclamation. Whereas code enforcement officers provide for the safety, health and welfare of the citizens in this community through the

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enforcement of building zoning, housing, fire safety, environmental and other codes and ordinances. And whereas the work of code enforcement officers help save lives and improve neighborhoods and quality of life for the citizens of Apakka. And whereas every day assisted by support and program staff, they

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provide quality customer service to the public for the betterment of the community. And whereas code enforcement officers are unsung heroes that accomplish code compliance with their efforts and expertise. And whereas code enforcement officers are dedicated, well-trained, and highly responsible

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individuals who take their job seriously and are proud of their department and the local government within within which they serve. And whereas the Florida Association of Code Enforcement or FACE has declared the first week of June be set aside by local government to honor and recognize their code enforcement

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officers. Now therefore, I Nicholas El Nestto the third mayor of the city of Aka, Florida by virtue of the authority vested in me by the city of Aka to hereby proclaim June 1st, 2026 through June 6, 2026 to be code enforcement officers appreciation week.

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Commissioner, did we can take a picture? Mr. Hansen, if you'll take a picture. >> Thank you. >> I didn't think anybody was here. >> That's right. You're welcome. >> Please. All right, next up is the proclamation

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for our uh Junth recognition. Uh whereas our country is made up of the people from every nation on earth who are declared equal not only in freedom but also in justice. And whereas our nation began on July 4th, 1776 with the signing of the Declaration of Independence. The most well-known statement of that

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document being, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And whereas on January 1st, 1863, President Abra Abraham Lincoln signed

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the Emancipation Proclamation, stating that all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state shall be then, then forth, and forever free. And whereas the Emancipation Proclamation made the permanent abolition of slavery a Union war goal

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and provided the legal framework for the emancipation of nearly all four million slaves at the Union Army's advanced. And whereas on June 19th, 1865, almost two and a half years later, Major General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, and announced the end of both the

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Civil War and slavery with the announcement, the people of Texas are informed that in accordance with the proclamation from the executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves and a

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connection hereto for existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. The freed men are advised to remain at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and they will not be supported in idleness either there or

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elsewhere. And whereas Texans began the celebration of Junth in 1866 with the community events such as parades, cookouts, prayer gatherings, and musical performances and historical cultural readings as freed families immigrated from Texas to other parts of the United States, they carried the Junth

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celebration with them. And whereas on January 1st, 1980, Junth became an official Texas state holiday. And whereas the day was recognized as a federal holiday in 2021 when the Junth National Independence Day Act was signed into law. Now therefore, I, Nicholas Elnessa the third, mayor of the city of

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Apaka, Florida, do hereby recognize June 19th, 2026 as Junth in the city of Apaka, and encourage all residents to observe this date with appropriate programs, activities, and reflections. Before we take our picture, I do want to welcome up Mrs. Jones for a quick word,

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please. And Mrs. horse, mayor, and commissioners. This is our president, Kiomi Jones, but I'm just going to read a little bit of history um about um Junth. And we want to thank you

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so much for the proclamation. Um, we celebrate 161 years of freedom since emancipation and honor the generations who fought to make that freedom a reality. We also recognize that many of the rights we value today, including

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stronger protections for voting rights and equal citizenship came through the sacrifices and courage of those who stood for justice during the civil rights movement. Junth is more than a celebration. It is an opportunity to learn our history, honor the

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contributions of African-Americans to this nation, and reflect on the resilience, innovation, and determination that have helped shape the United States. So we invite you all, everyone, it's no color, black, white,

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all colors to come out and be a part of our parade and gain a and the celebration and gain a deeper understanding of our shared history. Together, we honor the past, celebrate the present, and inspire future generations to continue building a

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stronger and more unedited community. Thank you so much. >> Tell us about the parade. >> Okay, so um the parade the staging will um be on the on the opposite side. So on the corner of VFW, so 519 South Central Avenue on the station street side.

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That's where we will line up and we will um go down Central to 10th Street back on Marvin C. Sanders and then we will end by going directly into the celebration that will be at Alonzo Williams Park at 225 MA board street. So

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we invite you all to come out. We want to thank the police and everybody that has been so instrumental in this that we can make this a success on Saturday >> and Carolyn Ray. Carolyn for everything. >> Yes.

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Keep falling. Yes. >> You can't You want to be sure. I'm scared of her. >> Excellent. All right, we'll move on to the consent agenda. Uh we will be pulling two items and any others that

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you guys would like to discuss. So uh one of them will be number four which is the uh award contract for RFP 2026A-301 consultant services for the South Popka annexation feasibility study to the Cororadino Group Inc. We're going to

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pull that for discussion. Uh and then I also want to pull the um >> which >> it's four and >> number three. Yes. Just one up. Yes, thank you. Uh, which is the water reclamation facility, east plant

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expansion design. Uh, just some questions there and kind of figure out, make sure we're all on the same page here and makes you want to move forward with it. So, um, with those two being removed, I will look for a motion to approve consent agenda items one, two, uh, and five through nine.

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>> Uh, moved by Commissioner Ruth, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. Motion can carries unanimously. Uh, Mrs. Sherman. >> Okay. Want to start with item number three? >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> Okay. Thank you. I will. Um, the request before you is to approve a negotiated contract for RFQ 2025A-184 for the water reclamation facility east plant expansion. Um, in

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November of 2025, the contract came before council for approval and Tetrate Tech was awarded the contract. I want to make sure I got it all right. And we were authorized to proceed with negotiations. We have completed those

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negotiations and it came in at an amount of $4.4 million with a 10% contingency. That takes it to 4.9. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, the reason I wanted to pull this is that this is the design for the East plant down on uh

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Cleveland Street. And effectively, what this is going to do is just the design of a additional capacity water plant, which we somewhat discussed at the workshop specific to Golden Gem and just some capacity uh along with um Orange County as well. That that question came

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up of well, how we negotiate anything with Orange County? Do they have capacity for us? and they do have capacity force and there there there's options there to move forward with that. Whereas this potentially could cost would cost I'm going to say six figure price tag but I mean in millions. So

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it's going to be it's going to be more than $100 million this entire project. So we need to decide do we want to spend the four and a half million well a little over uh now to do the design when this is not in our capital improvement plan at all anyways. So, do we have

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>> the appetite to pay for the design now >> and then hopefully within the next >> five, seven, 10 years. >> I think one of my concerns I brought up is that if we pay for this now and we don't have the money and then we're going to have to redo it again. So, if we don't have the capacity right now

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because we don't have $100 million right now. Uh, so I think without a strategic plan on how we're going to go from A to Z, I think it's premature to pay for something that we possibly have to update later and pay for probably more, you know, more expensive. So, I just think right now I think we should table it until we're able to

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>> Can we use that four million somewhere else to build capacity >> um to build extra? Well, >> don't we have a plant there that we're not using? >> Yes. And that's being if and I could get this wrong, so please correct me. I believe we have a loan out for $25

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million that will be retrofitting the West plant >> uh to get it to where we need to be to add that capacity. >> That was the SRF one. >> Thank you. So, so that is going to be up and coming the the 4 and a.5 million uh are impact fees. >> Yes. >> So, it have to be used in expansion to

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your point, but it could offset some other cost or allow maybe some other projects in some capacity. >> Yeah. because um I mean during our agenda review, we were discussing that and as Commissioner Anderson said,

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investing $4 million that we can get results from it rather than a design and we don't have >> um the money to continue, >> it would be best to invest that 4 million in something that will have an

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end result. >> Makes sense. Any comments, questions on that front? >> I agree. >> Okay. So, with this being a RFQ, do we have to vote on this in some capacity? Can we just let it die if we

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don't make any motion at all or do we have to make a decision on it? >> You don't have to make a decision, but the people who are out there waiting probably deserve to know what's happening. >> Okay, understood. So I will look for a motion to either approve or deny the RFQ

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2025- A-184 for the water reclamation facility east plant expansion design. >> So move so I move to deny. >> Okay. Uh do I have a second for denial? >> Second. >> Second. Uh motion by Commissioner Anderson for denial. Second by Vice Mayor Velasquez. All those in favor say

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I. >> I. I. >> All opposed. Okay. >> Motion carries unanimously. Thank you for that. Next up, we will be discussing the uh annexation feasibility study. >> Thank you, mayor. Okay. The item before you is to award a contract for RFP 2026

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A301 for consulting services for the South Apaka Apakka annexation feasibility study to the Corandino Group, Inc. This solicitation was issued on April 26, 2026.

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We had four responses from Blueestar Holdings International LLC, Cybite Technologies, Inc., the Corino Group, Inc., and WGI Inc. The evaluation committee consisted of Valddeir,

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our city engineer, Andrew Brown, Andredette Forbes, and Deputy Chief Daniel Garcia. The qualifications and experience was 35 points. understanding the scope of service and overall project approach, methodology and ability to meet timeline

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was 40 points and the price proposal was 25. The Coronido Group came in at 96.5. The second one was Blueest Star Holdings International LLC at 80.96. We do have Miss Scarlet Hammonds here

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with the Corandino Group and she does have a little presentation if you'd like to hear this your call. >> Yes, absolutely. Shoot this time. >> Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor and commission. >> My name is Scarlett Hammonds. I am a

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senior planner with the Cordino Group. And um just wanted to just introduce our firm really quickly. Um just letting you know we are a full um fullervice um construction um engineering planning firm and we um operate throughout all of

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Florida. We do have um our headquarters is in Miami and we have a local office close by here in um Alimont Springs. For um this um project we have a team that we've proposed would be led by our um president and the CEO of our company,

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Mr. Joseph Cordino. Um I would be the um project manager. We have an assistant project manager Alexander Rios is proposed and also um we would um utilize services specialist. We have a financial analyst and we also have um engineering services from Keith which would be a

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subconsultant. Um the tasks in this scope um consist of seven. I'll just briefly go through those seven tasks. We would um do the mapping of course um related adjacent areas and um unincorporated areas. We would map out

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the existing water and sewer, the proposed expansion to those services and also um the general land use patterns of the proposed annexation area will be identified. We'll go through certification process and this is um governed by um Florida

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statutes um confirming the annexation area is contiguous that it is um compactness its absence of enclaves that would not be created and also um that the portion of the study um that would be not the area or subject to ex

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exclusion. No portion would be subject excuse me I'm stumbling over words. Um so the um urban service delivery plan would be part of the study as well. This will um document current service levels within the study area against the city's established level of service for each of

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these categories. The categories include police, fire, water, sewer, trash, lights, street maintenance, parks, building inspections, zoning, planning, and government administration. And this will um happen through the assistance with the city departments.

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Um the water sewer service expansion plan will be part of this study. Um it will be a technical review um examining water distribution, the wastewater collection system and also reclaim water system. The analysis will assess the technical feasibility of extending the

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water and sewer to the study area. Um the the basically part of this um project will um come up with a timeline for this extension if it is determined to be feasible. Um the proposed timeline will be for construction of water and sewer. It will begin um the effective

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date um right after the annexation is is finalized and it will um be a part of this final um analysis. We'll also look at the financing um based again on Florida statute requirements um the revenue stream the

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expected expenditures to deliver services to that area and also um financing methodology will be proposed. We'll also include um communication and documentation. Obviously this will come to you in the form of a final report. Um

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it will um we will coordinate um regularly with staff during the process and have key benchmark dates and it will um also be presented to you finally um at final study as as a final study. We propose a schedule that is approximately

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two months. Um it would be if awarded tonight it would be starting within the week and um we're looking at early August for a final deliverable. That's my presentation. Thank you very much and I'm here to answer questions. >> Are there any questions from Commissioner, please?

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>> Okay, so first I want to say thank you to former Commissioner Smith. I know this is something that was important to him that was near and dear to his heart. So I'm glad to actually see that it's actually moving forward and happening. So just a few things. So I know this is kind of a quick synopsis and of kind of

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the study, but one thing that I didn't see was any type of engagement or any type of uh engagement with the residents in that area in other areas. Did I miss that on the Is that anything in the study? >> I was looking at that >> that is not part of our scope today. No, that that would be um the engagement

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would be um coming for you at the um the council at the commission meeting. >> I think the engagement was supposed to be a separate task like a survey or something that we were going to do. >> I thought that was supposed to happen first. >> The last time we talked about it, they

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wanted to happen at the same time simultaneously. That's that was the last discussion with council >> and keep in mind too we do have a new makeup as well so we can redefine how we want to do this we so >> you can figure that out.

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>> Yeah because we have so much we have a lot of documentation from different workshops. >> So the one thing I don't want to see this group do is repeat something that we've already done. We've gotten feedback. But um as to Commissioner

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Anderson's point is >> I think it's important to have the community feedback somewhere in here. >> Um that's important. >> I I totally agree. Again, the direction that was given when they said to go after this again was to do both of those

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simultaneous >> simultaneous. >> You were trying to get questions or something. Radley, >> was that when would when did we decide? Yeah, there was discussion about what questions would go out in the survey and

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my recollection is the same as we'd put the survey out while this feasibility study was going on. >> But I I mean a real like I would like to see this group actually have community

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>> input input like not through a survey. We'll probably select someone else to gain that community input because that was not a part of their scope. >> This is just to do the feasibility study, but we can also go and select somewhere else to do the survey. And I

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think Cliff, you recall some of the discussions pertaining to that as well. >> So I guess the rationale for me is so I think one of two things probably needs to happen. Either we initially need to do a survey to engage the residents in the beginning or after this is done with the data so they can make an informed

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decision. Is that the Cuz right now, I want to kind of understand what we're doing here. >> I think you need both. >> So, three things. >> The survey, the Go ahead. >> Well, here's the thing. What happened last time, and this is going from memory, is that there was a faction, I'm

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not sure who was in what faction that said, why wouldn't we go doing a feasibility study till we found out whether the residents were interested? And the other said, we should do the phys feasibility and get the input at the same time. I don't frankly remember how how it ended up going, but that's

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how I recall it because again there were there was some number of the council that wanted to find out if the residents really wanted to go forward. There was the other part of the council that said, well, until they know what it is they would be getting, they won't have a good answer to the question about on a

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survey. And so that's how the the stuff got muddled as my recollection. >> So not simultaneously. So the the the goal here is to do the study first and then take that data and do a survey to the residents. Is that what we're doing here? >> If that's what >> I just want to understand we're doing here because I don't I don't really

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>> the previous discussions was as he just mentioned. >> Well, was it simultaneously or was it one and two? >> What I recall was simultaneous. >> Simultaneous. Okay. So that's not the same thing >> that Cliff just pointed out was a part of I guess we got to figure out what we doing here, I guess. So we know

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>> correct. That's correct. So, this had started I think this uh RFP went out December. >> Uh we originally went out and remember we only had one and then we stopped and so this went out uh what I said April of 2026 was the >> Oh, excuse me. Okay. So, I'm way off on that. Uh so, again, it came from a a

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previous commission makeup. So, that's where let's have a discussion. How do we want to proceed or if we want to proceed and what's that look like? And the cost of this the way that it is right now too because that that wasn't part of anybody's presentation. 44,500. Uh, so I just want to make sure that's

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out there as well. So it's that discussion. It's it's do we want to move forward with it? How do we want to move forward with it? Um, in what capacity, what what do we want it to look like? >> Well, I I guess from a if I was in the study area, I would want to know what

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that impact is, what what it's looked like in order for me to make an educated decision. So I guess the study will give them all the information so they can make a decision on what that looks like. Maybe that was the rationale at the time. Yeah. Um, >> and it may not give all the information. I al put that in there, too, because

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there's it it it gives a a kind of a high level information, but there'll be more that we need to kind of put out there that residents are going to have questions about that. This study may not be fully comprehensive exactly how your life is going to be impacted one way or the other. So, I don't want to oversell this that this is going to be telling

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everything, but at the same time, it's going to have get us on the right track to have the right conversations to figure out, hey, do we need to engage another vendor or another third party to maybe look deeper into uh water and wastewater and how we're going to be able to provide that or or what that looks like or do we need to engage Orange County and see what

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that looks like depending on their services they currently offer. So, >> and that and that was the next question because I have Orange County. I was I was like I don't see any here where we're actually reaching out to the county to get any type of data or anything from them. This study includes anything with the county because I don't see anything about the county here. So I don't know how we can compare.

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>> During the workshops did the county provide I I believe the county did provide some data >> but it needs to go into this feasibility study in order to accurately get a complete picture. >> Yes. Yes. It is the intent to work with the county. Absolutely. I I I'm I

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apologize. I didn't didn't mention that in my presentation, but it is in our um overall scope of services that we the big one the big >> So the big scope does include >> include working with the county >> because you'll compare uh current level of service on whatever it may be then match it to our and kind of compare it.

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So you will need their numbers and data. >> We'll need all their data, >> location, their sewer, water, all of that. >> Correct. Okay. >> Cuz I think that was provided to us. Remember one of the workshops? >> I remember the workshop information was >> I know I have all the I have all the Yeah, I have all the workshop. Uh

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>> Okay. >> Makes sense now. >> Okay. >> It makes more sense. >> Any other questions? Commissioner. Okay. >> Commissioner Vice Mayor, excuse me. >> No, no, that's that's that's fine. >> Yeah. So I I I guess what we're doing is this. We're gathering the information. Yes, ma'am.

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>> And we'll have the survey >> at at the appropriate time. We'll start the survey when we have enough information and have the appropriate questions. >> Craft the survey from there. >> Yes. >> That's a little more detailed. Yes. Of what that looks like. >> Right. Because I the last one was for each of us at the previous

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>> to give what we questions and we didn't know what to ask. Correct. And we can engage a third party vendor to help >> with that. >> Yes. >> Massage it. Make sure we're legally compliant as well because we can't advocate. >> Correct. >> No. The whole idea of the study is to

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get information that would be relevant for the residents who are proposed to be included in the annexation and the city to know what they're getting if they sign on to this and what we are getting as a city if we sign on to this. And that is why you may recall that there is

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an option, not one that you have to do, but that there's an option to have both the city vote and the annexation area vote. So far, my understanding is we would only be having the annexation area vote, but it could be both and require both approvals. You don't have to have

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the city vote. That's your to call, but you can't. But if that's the case, then votes are going to have to line up. If you don't have the city vote because you have the action authority as the commission to say if they vote yes, we want them, then it's literally up to them to say yes, we want to be a part of

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it. >> Okay. Thank you for that. Any additional comments from the commission? >> I just have a I guess it's a a question. Um not a guess, it's a question. So in terms of once we do the study, we get

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the results from the study um and we disseminate the survey, is this a survey that's going to be a canvasing type survey where we're knocking on doors, or is this a internet email? >> This will be your call. Um but the the

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real question is not who does does a survey, which is a procedural matter. Y'all can decide whether you want to hire a separate company to do it, just like you hire a study company to do the feasibility study. It may be the same company that did the feasibility study if they have the ability to do surveys. The real question and what got bogged

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down last time is what kind of questions do you ask and based on what data? The assumption is you take the data from the feasibility study >> and you'd say this study was done to try to answer as many questions as possible. But once you start picking and choosing the data from the survey from the study

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to put in the survey, somebody could accuse you of trying to balance the scales one way the other. So really what you want to do at the end of the day is here's the feasibility study. You can provide factual answers to questions. That's the kind of limitation on politicking when it comes to an issue

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that will ultimately be a ballot issue. >> But that's it. You now individually you can advocate for whatever you want. You can go down to the neighborhood and say hey this is would be great for you guys. Let me tell you all the things reason why I think it's a great idea. You can also say personally or on your own

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social media, this is a terrible idea and nobody should ever go for it. Whatever you want to do personally, but as a city, we are very limited. >> Uh how uh perhaps creating a citiz a citizen advisory board, >> they would be the same restriction. >> Okay.

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>> They can't spend money advocating for an issue. >> Got it. But more of reviewing and pulling questions >> possible. But again, at the end of the day, the most important thing about whatever you put in the survey, so everybody will accept results is that it's I hate to use this phrase these

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days, fair and balanced. You understand why I hate to use that phrase, but but again, that's really the goal because if you're in the area to be annexed, what do you want to know? Are my taxes going up? Are they staying the same? Am I getting better services? Is my EMS time quicker? Uh am I have going

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to have more police, less police, you know, etc., etc.? How are my property values likely to go up? stay the same, go down. All those kinds of questions are the ones that would typically move the needle on how I vote on annexation. And that's the stuff the feasibility

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study is designed to tell you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Well, one of the problems I have, we're doing a feasibility study to tell us if they want to come in. So, we're going to spend $45,000 between now and August. Then we're going to have another

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discussion that's going to move us another $50,000 to go to December. What I'm trying to figure out how how how does that relieve the pressure at Michael Gladen and Apakka Island when they're asking me you're doing a study and we need a traffic light need a

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traffic light at at Cleveland and Apakka Island and we're doing studies. It sounds like what we've been doing for the last eight years. We're doing studies, but we're not really doing nothing that helps relieve everybody else's

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um issues. >> Um I I just I'm I'm just kind of curious how we got here. >> Well, I I think how we got here is that you have residents that is in the county that feel that has advocated and want to

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be part of the city. So >> the same residents are stuck at Michael Gladen and Apaka Island because they can't get >> your your question was how do we get here >> and that's that's how we got here is that we had citizens that came in that wanted to be part of the city and it and

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it's been an ongoing conversation for I mean since I got on council even before council about it >> for decades. >> For decades it's been decades. So I think it's just um one of the former commissioners really advocated for it to to to bring it to to an end. >> Yeah. because we just kept kicking the can, kicking the can, kicking the can down the road.

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>> Sounds like we're still doing that. >> But no, we're not. We actually I think we kind of >> If I can jump in real quick here, if we can describe the reason we're doing the study and and M Sherman, if you can describe why I can't just put this onto a ballot, we can't just make the decision. >> It's a requirement and and I think our city >> attorney, it's it's a legal requirement.

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If you if you're going to take in an annexation area involuntarily, that's the only way to do it. You know, I can ask to be annexed in the city voluntarily, but to take in an area involuntarily, you have to have that area vote. And part of the issue that

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goes into the vote is them having information to decide which way they should vote. That is why a statutory requirement is a feasibility study. And it's why I would distinguish that kind of a study from anything else that you may be wanting to study because this is the only way to proceed with annexation

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of some portion of South APK. If that is still something that the council wants to determine whether or not there's a desire for that amongst the people who live there, that's the only way to get there. A survey will just tell you about interest, but it still would have to have a feasibility

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study first. And that's why we had the discussion last time, well, don't we want to know if they're interested before we do the study? Well, don't we need the study to determine whether they're interested? That's where we got kind of wrapped around the axle. But legally, the feasibility study has to happen before it can go on the ballot.

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Period. You don't have to do the the uh survey, but you have to do the feasibility study. >> So, that's where that's the the next the the rationale for how we got to where we're at and why this is in front of us right now. >> There is. So,

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>> any more comments? We can move to public comment. We can have a little more discussion. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Sherman. I'll open this up for public comment. >> I'll say something. Um, >> I don't want to talk while I'm talking. So, um, just about my my personal

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preference, well, my personal viewpoint on the annexation, I'll give you my personal experience that communities in South Papa don't understand until they're impacted. Um, my friend lost his daughter in a car

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accident and he had to wait for the ambulance to come from Orlando to save his daughter's life and she died when Apakka was two blocks over.

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So those minutes that people in the in South Aka may not think about, it is life or death when it comes to your money being paid in the city and you're not being able to receive those things based off a block that you live.

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People may not agree until it's you. But that's all the your name for the record, please. >> Komi Jones. >> Thank you, M. Jones. Thank you. That's great perspective. Thank you. I can say something. I'll say something.

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Um, I lived on 319 West LJ Gilmore Street for over 10 years and I have been part of this whole process multiple times and I don't live there now, but I have tons of family members that lived in South live currently in South Aka that will be affected by the decisions

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that you guys make. One of the things that Komi just mentioned was that it does change. Um I personally living in South Aka did have to wait quite frequently. There was a few times that I needed um medical services or the um police department to come. It took hours

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for them to sometime respond. So it does make a difference on how it's presented. But also I don't think a lot of the facts are given to the residents. And I do appreciate um Commissioner Anderson asking, do the residents have the information so that they can actually

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make a a sound choice? And I think not having like say for instance there's hardly anybody. Is anybody here from South Aka? Just a wave of hand. Miss Mon'nique. Yeah. Um Pastor Smith. So there's very few people that are here from South Aka that are actually knowing

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what's going on. So I think getting the word out and maybe having a discussion more so open so that they can actually give um input and that will help you with making your decision much easier. >> Name for >> my name is Mark Wright. >> Thank you. >> Thank you Mr.

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>> Am I am I? >> Yes. to the constituency of the city of Pakka Das. I am the voice of what has been dubbed as South Aka by many individuals in

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recent years. First of all, there is no such place. US Postal Service makes no distinction between if you live Apaka zip code 32703

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or 32712. The proposed study to be funded by the city of Aaka to annex a certain defined section of unincorporated southern Apaka into the city limits already weak of

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unfairness. An automated presentation done a few months ago had only by a company had only one bidder. There are many questions to be answered

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regarding this study as I'm witnessing tonight. The city of Apakka proposed spending of thousands of dollars to study annexing a community that lack infrastructure is povertystricken,

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disenfranchised, blighted, and rural. Using the guise as uh using the guise that the city of Apakka can provide better services than Orange County is a hoax and it's a no-brainer.

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US Census defines the community as economically deprived and depressed. Proposed annexation is an opportunity for developers to move forward with unbridled growth in northwest Orange

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County without having to go through the rigors slashg guidelines established by the state of Florida to annex properties into city limits. Proposed annexation for unincorporated southern Apaka will fasttrack a takeover of a historical

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community using the laws of imminent domain gentrification, higher t property taxes, force sewer hookups, and displacement of its residents. The senator of spot paka spoke loudly in

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1937 segregating this community almost 89 years ago. Annexation of southernka unincorporated is not for the betterment of my community. It is for the

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detriment. persons seeking and supporting access most time do not live in the community and are not experts for what is best for the people of southern unincorporated paka. Thank you. >> Thank you miss boy.

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>> Thank you m >> Monnique Morris 630 of Florida. Um, I just would like to say it is what Komi said. I want to ditto to that that there are many times that um when you call the police, someone was walking around my

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house one night and I'm on the phone saying, "Hey, somebody's walking around my house. I need somebody here." Several APD passed by. Um, however, they was telling me to stay on the phone. Stay on the phone. Stay on the phone. Um, Orange

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County is coming. We won't lose our history if we are add next into the city. I believe that where the government that's closest to you can do best for you. Um and I would say we have

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I've been here I've been on the news about it, talked about it, you know, um Mayor Nessa, we've been doing this for a long time about this same situation. I just think the first thing we need to do maybe the survey, but I think we can go into the churches. We can go into the

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churches. We have a minister alliance um that the pastors um are a part of. We set up a team, whatever team you guys set up. You go into the churches or you have a a meeting in the churches and then you give them you educate them

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about it because a lot of the people are elderly of course. They don't know about the indexation. All they're just thinking they're taking some away from me or you know something like that. So, if we're educated to know what it is, then I think um people will understand

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it better. But I know um doing a windshield survey and going around riding around the town, that's not going to do it. We definitely have to get out there and educate the people. And that's first you can start with the churches going into the churches.

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>> Thank you, Miss Morris. >> Thank you, >> Leroy Bell. 2308 Blue Medals Court of Pop, Florida. First of all, if you're going to do a study, the first place you need to start looking, go to Orlando to Orange County. Yes, there is a place

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they call South Aopka. And the reason it was called South Aka, it was back when we had a mayor by the name of Linda Chapman. We had a president of a safaka action by

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the name of Reverend. He's a reverend now. His I I believe it was a reverend then. His name was Reverend Hezekiah Bradford. He went to Linda Chapman and asked Linda Chapman that we needed some dollars in a specific place

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to be designated there. And that's when they came up with Safakka for those particular funds after the census report for it to hit the blighted area of Safaka Pakka. Secondly,

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uh Commissioner Rof, uh there's another minister, uh I don't know if he's a member of the uh ministerial line. His name is uh Reverend Jimmy Howard. He'd have been up here several times.

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He got up and he testified right here when his house was on fire. He testified that his taxes went down. Secondly, you got people talking about it's too expensive to live in North Aka versus

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South Aka because most of the people in South Aka is on a fixed income. That's a farest because it's just as many people in North Aka in South Aka is still on a a fixed income.

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Now, how is it going to be more burdensome for you to live in South Papa to annex South Aka when you're already paying water? You're getting service from South Aka.

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Apakka pan into the economy of North Aka. Every time they send their kids to school from South Apakka, they send them to the city of Apakka. Every time they get ready to buy groceries, where do they buy groceries? Not in Orlando. They

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buy it in in Apopka. When they buy gas, when they buy clothes, but the forest is we're raping these people over here. You mention all the time about the guys that you train. The majority of the

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professional football players and baseball players where they come from south of Papa. You talk about putting in traffic lights this that this that and another. Well, we need to put them in Commissioner Root, but everything that

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you do in North Aka, you burden the peoples in South Aka. Look what you just did with the water, with the meters. It's time. It's time to stop overlooking people and bring people together.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Bell. >> Thank you, sir. >> Hi. I never thanks y'all for your service and what y'all do. It's It's amazing. Anyway, um I'm going to change horses a little bit, but when he came up with stop lightss again and I have

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talked about having a stoplight at the east end of Boy Scout Road in a pop koi, I do not think that is maybe correct. Now, I've been rethinking there's some areas of time there's very low traffic like 10 or 10:30 11:00 in the morning

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and there's another pace in the afternoon. If we have a stoplight that's stopping traffic when there's nothing maybe coming one way and we're all sitting there at a light or if we had a four-way stop sign uh at least when the traffic is flowing

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or there they can move and not be sitting waiting burning their gas and stuff sitting at stoplight. Uh it was just some thoughts I had with with that and u yeah I guess that's about it. It's it just

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the lights are not uh discriminating about the flow of traffic and yeah anyway I'm sort of changing my thing off the the stop light itself. Okay. >> Thank you M. Virginia Street, 2119 Calm Vista Drive

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at Papford, Florida. No, I do not live in the city. But, you know, I'm sitting back there and I'm observing things and this is 2026 and I just really feel like

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this city has got so much division unnecessarily uh because of a rule that was set up in 1930 something that they had their reason for what they did why they did then. But this is a

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2026 And there should be some unity in this in this town. There should be some unity. What example are we setting for our children as they see separation

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at the middle schools and the high school when the children from so-called South Aka go to Apakka Middle School. You know what? There's no unity. There's no unity here. So there's no unity

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there. You know, this is really time. We really need to evaluate the information needs to be given. Facts need to be given what how this is going to impact you. Yes, people are scared of change. But the facts need to be given and good

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decisions need to be made. Not just for how you feel about right now, but for how it will impact your children, your grandchildren, and those that you love that live near you. You know, this is our village.

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Whether we live in north of Papa, South Aka, we're driving through it. This is our village. And so, we need to have some unity right here. And it's got to start right here. It's got to start right here. That That's really all I got to say.

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>> Thank you, Street. >> Thank you. >> Albert McKim 363 Golden Gem Road. Earlier on tonight, I mentioned perception. And as we look and people look at a popka, how are they going to evaluate us? It's not about what we spend, it's

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about who we are. And if we disenfranchise people because they're not educated, because we haven't taken the time to collect the information that we can give them to help them make a choice. We really don't deserve to be

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leaders. >> Thank you, Mr. Kimmy. >> Thank you, sir. Alexander Smith 569 Strath Clyde Quaka Mayor Commissioners it was 89 years ago when the law was passed that African-Americans couldn't

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live on this side of the track and it's sad that here we are 89 years later still talking about division. Our attorney has told us over and over again, in order for the uninorporated part of a property that we're talking

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about to be annexed, this study is required. When the contract was presented to us before when I was on the council, my agreement was to vote to delay and have the RFPs sent out again because they said we didn't have enough time to

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conduct the study. They have done that. Now we have a company now that's ready to do this annexation study and the time to do it is now. We don't need to put fear into people about annexation.

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You've heard it said over and over again right now is taxation without representation because the people in unincorporated Apaka spend their money inside the city limits of the papa but they receive no benefits because they are not city residents.

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We we are talking about building station 7 on the north side of town. We need a station 8 on the unincorporated part if we index it in. So if we can build station 7 for residents that have not lived here, then

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why not build station 8 and annex uninccorporated property for those residents that have lived here all their life. We can do whatever we want to do. We don't need to put fear in people. Reverend Howard came and he testified

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that when he annexed into the city, his taxes actually went down. I've done a study and I've come up with the same conclusion that there'll probably be at least $490 reduction in their taxes by being a city resident. So that's the

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first that we keep putting in front of people. And then when we talk about gentrification, if you ride through unincorporated Pakka today, you'll find developers that have bought property in unincorporated pka

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and they're trying to sell those houses for 400 $350,000. So it's not about the city coming in and want to take their property and do this. It's been done already and they're in the county. So those things are not true. It's time

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for us to stop kicking a can down the road, have this study done so we can provide the citizens with the information they need to answer their questions so that we can move forward with annexation of the unincorporated part of Apaka.

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I I lived in unincorporated Apaka from 1965 to 1979. I came to a city council meeting in ninth grade and I received a horicultural award from this council and at that time I made it one of my

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life goals of one day to sit in one of those seats when I was living in unincorporated aka I could not I wasn't eligible to run I moved from 15th street to 14th street to 12th street to fifth street and still

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could not run for an office in the city of Apka. There are residents that live in uncooperative Apakka that desire to be a city commissioner, desire to be a mayor in their city, but they cannot because they're not city residents. The

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government is closer to you can provide you with the best services. And so I encourage you to vote to accept this uh annexation study so we can move forward. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. Any final public comment?

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All right, I'm going to close public comment then. Any final comments from the commissioners? >> Nope. I think I move to approve. I second. >> Okay. Uh, we I got a motion to approve the awarding of contract for RFP 226-301

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consultant services for the South of Popka annexation feasibility study to the Cordino Group, Inc. Uh motion by Commissioner Anderson, seconded by Commissioner Baron. All those in favor say I. I. >> All approve. Uh all

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those that don't all opposed. Sorry. All opposed. Uh motion carries unanimously. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right. We'll move on to business items now. Uh we did pull item number one, number two. We are moving on to city commission regular meeting schedule

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updates. This was uh something we discussed at the last >> the first workshop. Yes. Correct. Excuse me. First workshop. Yes. So uh basically moving the city uh commission meetings on the second or excuse me second meeting of the month uh to 6 p.m. versus

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7 p.m. So we discussed it. I felt like everyone's on the same page on that. So this is just to ratify that and make that uh change boomfold. Sorry Mr. Williams, this is yours. >> No additional comments. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, any comments from the commission at all?

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>> No, I'm looking forward to it. >> All right. >> Uh, any comments from the public on this change? All right. I'll close public comment. I'm looking for a motion to approve uh, the city commission regular meeting schedule update. Moved by Vice Mayor Velasquez, second by Commissioner

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Anderson. All those in favor say I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you for that. Uh, we'll move on to public hearings, ordinances, and resolutions. Ordinance number 3162. Uh the second reading for the IMP IPMC revisions for code enforcement.

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>> Okay. Ordinance number 3162 an ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida amending chapter 18 article 5 property maintenance code sections 18-109 amendments to provide for amended fee schedule for violations thereof

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providing for codification provided for providing for severability providing for conflicts and providing for an effective date. Um, I see. Any changes? >> No changes. >> Thank you so much. Uh, any comments, questions from the commission?

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>> No comments, questions. All right. Uh, public comment. Any public comment at all? I'll close public comment. I'm looking for a motion to approve ordinance number 3162. >> Some moved. >> Uh, motion by Commissioner Baron, second by Commissioner Ruth. All those in favor say I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on to ordinance number 3163, the second reading of the annexation Kelly Park Road commercial property. Ordinance number 3163, an ordinance of the city of Apakka, Florida to extend its territorial municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044. The hereafter

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described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida, owned by Effie Road Holdings LLC, located east of FE Road and north of Kelly Park Road, comprising 1.16 acres more or less, providing for directions to the city clerk, severability, conflicts, and an

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effective date. Any changes? >> No changes, mayor. >> Awesome. Any questions for staff from commission? >> The only question I have is I just want to confirm this is for commercial. >> Yes, ma'am. >> There's no residence going to be >> built on this cross. >> That is our understanding. Yes. Yes.

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>> I just want to make sure I get that on the record. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other questions? >> Uh any public wish to speak on this? I'll close public comment. I'm looking for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3163. Motion by Commissioner Ruth. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor say I. >> I.

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>> Uh. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Resolution number 2026-28 amending the budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1 and ending September 30th, 2026. >> Yes, mayor and um commissioners. I think we need to table this item because it

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was related to a business item that was pulled. >> Uh do I ask that $500,000 for that fund? That's what I was going to ask. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we're going to table this until that comes back with it. >> Do we need to table it? Does it need to be a date surn or can I table this in perpetuity? >> Well, you can table it to in perpetuity,

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but somebody's gonna have to remember to bring it back. >> Oh, we we're probably welcome. >> That's your job. Yeah, actually. >> Yeah, >> it can come back when we bring the item back if we bring it until then. >> Perfect. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, we I'm looking for a motion to table

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uh motion or resolution number 2026-28. >> Moved by Commissioner Anderson. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Baron. All those in favor say I. >> I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. >> Thank you. >> Uh resolution number 2026-29 FDOT contract.

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>> Okay. Resolution 2026-29, a resolution of the city council of the city of Apakka, Florida, authorizing the city of Apka to make, execute, and deliver to the state of Florida Department of Transportation the highway maintenance memorandum of agreement for

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contract number AT785 project FPN244296-2-78--04 providing for an effective date. >> Mr. Sonowski. >> Good evening everyone. And finally the last item of the night. >> So >> remember it's the two hour mark. So

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>> come on. >> We don't have any time. >> We have 30 minutes. >> All right. So in summary, the Florida Department of Transportation enters into agreements with local governments for maintenance of state facilities that reside within the local government jurisdictional boundaries. The city

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currently has in place a highway maintenance memorandum of agreement within the Florida Department of Transportation. The types of highway maintenance covered under the agreement are primarily related to ongoing maintenance tests such as mowing, leader pickup, street sweeping and tree

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maintenance. The agreement does not include large tasks such as resurfacing or capacity improvements. Exhibit C of the agreement show the maintenance activities the city has elected to provide. The project limits are State Road 436 from Semino County line to US

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441 and US441 from Bmbo Court to Orange Avenue. Per the agreement, the Florida Department of Transportation agrees to pay the city $14,329.93 per quarter totaling $57,319.72 per year. The remaining term of the

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agreement is three years. The funding source is the fiscal year 202526 budget. This is coming from the streets funds 3412. And the only reason why we're bringing this as a resolution is because we made certain changes to the previous

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agreement to lower some of the maintenance uh activities that we have on the state roads and we need to enter basically their three-year contract. So we need to reset the contract from the first year again and that's why it's going to go for another two years after

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this. So, what month and year are is this going to end the contract? >> You said for three years, but what when does it >> what month and what year are we talking? >> It's typically in June. >> June. >> June. Yes. >> June of 2029.

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>> So, this will be June 2029. Correct. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, every year we sign this again, but only the first time because we have changes, we're bringing it as a resolution. After that, it's just going to be administratively signed and

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executed. >> Any additional questions for staff? >> And it lists the locations that we are covering. >> That was on page 10, right? >> That is correct. >> Yeah. Basically, there are no changes to

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the project limits. It just changes in the activities and services. >> Okay. So, we're not adding this. This is already being maintained. We're just reducing some of our scope of our required maintenance, >> right? >> Because it cost us substantially more than what the state is going to. >> Correct.

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>> What they're paying us. >> Any additional questions? >> No. >> I will open up for public comment. No public comment. All right. I'm looking for a motion to approve and adopt resolution number 2026-29. >> So moved. >> Uh moved by Commissioner Baron, second by Vice Mayor Velasquez. All those in

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favor say I. I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. City Administrator's report. Uh, nothing to report, Mayor. Just uh, happy Father's Day this weekend and happy Junth. >> Oh, you reminded >> you just reminded me. >> All of us. Oh my goodness.

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>> Can't wait to see what my wife's going to do. >> Thank you for that. Uh, city attorney. Uh, yeah. Briefly, obviously everybody knows that we now have to contend with a November referendum, which could severely affect the way we do local government on a go forward basis. And uh

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the news is not getting better. The referendum uh was initially touted as something that's better than what was proposed because it only took us up to a maximum of $250,000 relief. But if you read the bill, you'll find that it says it requires that they come up with a

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study and a proposal to get rid of all tax uh property taxes on homesteaded property um within a certain number of years thereafter. And so what I'm telling you this now for you're all aware I had to did a memo gave it to Bradley and I think he's going to

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distribute it um that sort of is summarized. It's a little over a page page and a half but it gives you the details but what you need to be thinking about as you move into budget season which is right now um is how you're going to cope with what is in my opinion

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that is not professional except that I'm a lawyer. You have to assume that they're gonna vote to prove this and it's going to be a massive hit on your budget. >> Okay. >> What a great positive message. >> Just kidding. But no, thank you. >> Otherwise, I love you guys.

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>> Thank you for that. Um, city commissioner report. Uh, Commissioner Anderson. >> Yes. So, just attorney Shepard. So, that is very interesting because I've been in a lot of calls from residents and even just some concerns myself. So, what does that look like for us? I mean, should we I mean, that's really major because

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that's going to be a major reduction to our to our budget. So, are we doing a work? I mean, this is what we really need workshop for. Are we really need to do a workshop because I think this is going to affect even our current budget that is before us right now. So, what does that look like? Because it's something we really need to consider and

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spend a lot of time figuring out what that looks like for us. >> Absolutely. So, there's two different ways. And again, staff, please jump in or attorney Shepherd, if I'm overstepping, please. uh how we're kind of looking at it internally right now is not as doom and gloom. Yes, we will have a reduction in our revenue coming in, but keep in mind we're we're unique

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municipality that although we don't prefer development that is going to assist with offsetting some of these decreases that we're experiencing, just like the annexation of that commercial property we just did today, that's going to help to offset. So, yes, we we will absolutely see a decrease in our revenue and that capacity, but we're meeting

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with other municipalities to see how are they what are they crafting? What are they looking like? Is there any um synergy we can have between different municipalities currently and or the county to see how we can uh not all pay for the same thing that we're maybe using once a year or something along those lines. So, we're working in and

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kind of have some very very preliminary conversations on what that looks like. To your point, to the point that's being made, there absolutely will be a reduction and we can try to back into and it's what I've kind of been asking for and I know our property appraiser has been working on a rough number of what that and Mr. Williams, I don't know

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if there was a rough number or Sherman. >> Yeah. And Miss Sherman's been working as well on that and if she prepared to give you a little update. >> I did make a data request to the appraisal and I am waiting on that data and I think it's they have a they are required to provide us with certain data

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and based on >> is there a time they have to provide it to us by because we are on budget season. Is there a time? >> I think they do have a date. I'm not aware of what that date is right now, but they they are actively working on the request that was made. And again I I did some rough just like everybody else

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did some rough calculations based on you know the values that we had for is 25 year and the rough very very rough calculations I will say in year one it's about 13% but in year two about 30

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>> 30% reduction to a dollar amount >> it was about 5 million in year one and and then it went to 12 so a $7 million difference so 5 million in Year 1 12 million >> and and by you're saying5 million $5 million loss in revenue year one and then year two the

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>> and that is very rough based on limited information. I can only take the information that >> hold. >> Yes. So, please note anybody hearing this, that's a very rough calculation. >> Yeah. Yeah. What what's important is not just that the reductions will hurt because they clearly will. But it is not

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as if you're going to have a lot of options about well, we we can't do this nice extra thing, but we'll do this nice extra thing instead because the nice extra things have been extricated from the reform. Here are the seven things that you can spend money on if it's

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advalorum taxes. You can spend other money other ways, but if we're talking about advalorum taxation, which is where most of our money comes from, >> public safety, including law enforcement, fire service, and EMS, education, and public schools, doesn't affect us, but affects us as citizens, infrastructure, including road and

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bridge construction, maintenance, storm water control, natural resource projects, including flood control, local bonds, and debt service on but on existing obligations, existing being critical. uh employee retirement benefits and operations of administration of county and local

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municipal government exe expenditures prohibited by general law. What you did not hear in all of that is any of the what I call the cherries on the Sundays that we as municipalities like to do. We cannot now spend money on those things. >> An example is parks and wreck. >> Correct.

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>> Yes. >> We can't spend a dime on parks and wreck out of out of Laura. >> So >> events >> events >> things at the amphitheater. Yes, etc. Even the programs, >> what what's that garden thing we have out in the park out there? I can't even

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remember what that is, but you know, there's a some event that was always out in Land Park with the >> Saturday. So, it's a big garden thing. I can't remember the name of it. >> Yeah, the art >> and so forth. So, um yeah, this is a big

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deal and and I don't think people fully all right now it's easy to say, "Oh, my property taxes are going down, but so is a lot of other stuff." So, and we will to that we will just have to get creative, which is great. We will do it. And so, I don't want although it it's

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very serious. We are it we're going to have to make a lot of tough decisions. We're going to figure it out. We can do it. And and again, we're in a unique position in the city uh that we're going to hopefully be able to have a very soft landing as this starts to progress. So, um we'll be coming back on the 24th,

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remember, in the schedule for the budget process. It was going to be a workshop, but I think it has to be a special meeting for the mainline um new um special assessment. And that that workshop is when I was planning to share, you know, the different revenues and the different um

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>> so what type of mean is it again? A special is that >> it was supposed to be June 24th. It was on the calendar that I presented. >> Uhuh. I remember. And um it was just going to be a budget workshop, but then I think we going to turn it into a special meeting so you can vote on that

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um assessment. >> But again, >> um mainline Village, the one that had to go out, the new special assessment mainline, that's the one that's on Main Street. >> Was it mainline? >> No, it wasn't green. It was mainline.

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>> Can we push that to the July 1 meeting if we need a vote on that? Um, I think they were trying to get it ahead of that due date of July 1st, but I think you can >> advertise. Susan, was it advertised for the >> Okay. When did you advertise it for?

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>> We um I was told that we're not doing it. >> Oh. >> Um, >> so if there's a deadline for that, we can we'll adjust. But so, and I was going to bring this up in my report. >> Yeah, mayor. I'll have to look into that further. I'm not I think we got some timelines crossed here.

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>> Okay. So, let me I apologize. I'll be checking that. >> Yeah. So, what what we're going to aim to do and not to I'm going to bounce back to you is is we're going to >> not do the 24th meeting. Everything's going to be done on July 8th. Um kind of a a budget meeting to go over really get us where we're at the revenues as well

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as uh each department changes rough. >> Okay. So we're not doing >> the reason being that the purpose of the July I mean the June 24th meeting because of the July 8th meeting I need to know exactly where we stand in regards to the millillage rate in

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regards to the rate increases that are in the plans that were adopted and it was going to include some of the scenarios that you requested and all of that so that can be factored in and know exactly where we stand at the July 8th

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Thank. Yes. >> All right, let's talk about that offline and we'll decide and then we'll send out calendar and invites one way or the other from there and make sure everyone's on the same page. >> And that 13% reduction the first year is going to be included in that >> and again that's a conversation of how we would deal with that. I can share and we'll be able to share with you how other

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>> conversation too is that there's we can spend money on parks right now. I can't spend money on parks that following year. So it's one of those things. Do we accomplish what we can right now with kind of I'm going to call it freedom. You have the freedom to enter into debt and you can pay the debt back. So if the

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debt happened to be for parks projects, you can gladly pay them Tuesday for a hamburger today if you follow me. >> That's creative. Okay. So we can pledge all this stuff. >> These games are so important. But yes, so we just got to get creative with kind of how we do this and and then what our priorities are for this fiscal year

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versus uh that that new one that will create new challenges, but we're going to get through it. So, >> right. and I could share what other jurisdictions are doing because I've had some conversations from especially from the seminar I just left. So that was the purpose of the June 24th meeting. So because we have to be prepared on July

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8th because the next meeting is when it's set. >> Okay. Let's discuss that offline. We'll disseminate the information from there. Thank you for that commission. >> Okay. So sorry I didn't mean to take that long my report and happy Father's Day to all the fathers, all the father figures, people that that just show up

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for people. Happy Father's Day and let's celebrate Junth. That's all. >> Absolutely. Thank you, Commissioner Baron. >> Um, so again, happy Father's Day to all the fathers in the room and those that are watching online. Um, and to my husband that's in the room as well.

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Happy Father's Day. So, um, I just want to say it was truly an honor to be able to attend a Specialist Mariah Collington's service this past Saturday. Um, it was such a great homegoing

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event that it was truly an honor to be able to participate in and thank her for her service. Unfortunately, the circumstances um uh Junth parade and um and yeah, I thought I had more, but I

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guess I don't. So, that's all I've got. >> Thank you for that. Uh, Commissioner Ruth, >> um, I' I'd just like to echo the service that we did because the media said that the girl was from Tavaris and we find out there was a an Evans connection, but

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to come to find out it was one of our own. Um, it was it was very moving. Um, I think we we sent the right message. >> Absolutely. >> Anything else? >> I did have one thing. Thanks. Thank you

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again, mayor, for um allowing the opportunity to have the golden gem workshop before this meeting. Truly appreciate it. I think it's a great conversation to begin with. Um so, I appreciate the the the willingness to have that. So, thanks Absolutely. Thank you. >> And that's the goal. We need to continue

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to have the conversations like that and and anything you guys want to talk about, that's I'm I'm not just doing it now. I'm really serious that let's keep adding to this list. I I've taken notes as we go through this that we're going to add and um it's important. It's how the residents want to be represented. So, I appreciate appreciate the time on that. Vice Mayor,

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>> well, I presented the proclamation on your behalf and on behalf of the city at the funeral for uh Specialist Mariah S. Colton. Thank you for that. And uh uh we didn't it was read by someone in the family, but it was read in its entirety

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at the service. >> And so, I just want to say thank you. Um we were all there. Um, well, three, three of us, I think, were there. >> Yeah, no, you were there. >> Yeah, she sat next to I was definitely there. How could I forget?

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>> I will sit right next to you. >> And then, of course, tomorrow, uh, you know, Saturday's the June 18th. I will not be in the parade. Um, obviously, you know, my husband's not up to being in a parade, so I'm going to go to kind of support the parade by the parade uh

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route and go to the Alonza Williams. So for the for me, I'm kind of looking forward to that rather than uh going down in the parade route at this time. And that's basically it. And just want to say thank you. She's thanking you for the workshops and still thanking you for

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the office. So it what a difference it makes. And >> she calls it her her office. Her office said the office, >> right? Her office. Because I've kind of tal >> but they painted it. I'm trying to

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settle in and once I settle in then like I said I will try you know I want to look forward to having regular office hours but right now it's kind of in a disarray and so we're just trying to settle in and I know I feel bad they all walk in and they've got I've got all my stuff out already

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>> be okay with it I am >> well I'm glad you guys are using I'm glad that it's it's valuable again having served as a commissioner I do know uh what's valuable how to kind of do your job and and and be able to serve the residents >> just to have a a place of privacy and feeling like you belong and some

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ownership and I I really appreciate that. >> Absolutely. No, I'm happy to do it. >> All right. Anything else? >> No. >> All right. Uh mayor's report. So, two quick things. One is um uh anything addition to that? I'm calling it quality of life changes for the commissioners.

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there's anything that you guys are running into that you're like, "This would be nice if we had X or Y, or if this process or procedure was more refined or easier or not as clunky, whatever it may be, send it out. Let let us know. Um we're we're going to keep massaging this, make sure that we get better and better at this." So, please

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don't hesitate. Make sure to send it to to Mr. Williams, my assistant, your assistant, anything like that, and we'll continue to uh just do better for the rest of us. Um the last one was the city commission procedures. I had kind of left it in the uh in your guys' hands to see if there's any specific things you guys wanted. We didn't get anything back

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and that's okay. If you guys want me to, I'll kind of create a and with staff kind of a rough draft of what one looks like and then you guys can tear it apart from there. >> Does that work? >> Yeah. >> Because I don't want to do anything presumptuous where I'm pushing it forward. It's going to be here's a rough look at it with attorney, our staff, all

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of that. And then you guys uh go from there and let us know uh from there. >> You as for suggestions? >> I did. Oh, >> it's okay. It's all right. We got a lot going on. So, that I mean, I give you an office and you give me nothing back. That's okay. I'm totally kidding. I will we'll create something internally and

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then uh send it out, get feedback, and make any edits and all edits that you guys feel from there. >> That sounds good. >> Hour and 48 minutes. We did it. All right. Any comments? Anything? We're done. >> We're done. >> Everyone, have a great night. Thank you. >> Thank you, everyone.