--------- Good morning. We will call the July 1st DRC meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Planning is present. Police? Andrew King. Public Works? >> Dale Smith. >> Fire? Andrew Brown. And building? >> John Nixon. >> All right, first item on the agenda is
I'm sorry, first item is public comment. We have 3 minutes for public comment. Any member of the public that's here would like to speak on an item on the agenda, now is your opportunity. Seeing none, we'll go to special events. And we have Lexi from recreation here. The first one is Duderstadt Productions
event November 21st, 2026. >> So, Duderstadt is looking to bring a concert to the amphitheater on Saturday, November 21st, um 2026 from 5:30 to 10:00 p.m. Um the artist has been announced it's um blanked out on the
permit, but it's Dylan Gossett Buffalo Traffic Jam. Um gates will open at 5:30 and the show will start at 6:30. Um there it's a ticketed event. It will be about 1,500 people. They're hiring a private security company, but they haven't mentioned exactly which company
it is, but most likely it'll be Gator Guards. And then there will be alcohol, so they'll be hiring off-duty as well. Um their setup will include 10 by 10 tents, food trucks, the stage production, and vendors. And um parking will be on Barbecue Row and the surrounding complex parking areas.
>> Any questions? >> Just my standard comments for each uh for private security to be armed. >> Yep. >> Any additional? Planning has nothing further. Police? >> Nothing further. >> Uh Public Works? >> No comment.
>> Fire? >> They're fine. >> And building? >> I I don't have anything. Thank you. >> All right, the next special event is Duderstadt Productions October 24th. >> So, Duderstadt is going to bring another concert on um October 24th. That is a
Saturday. Um also on 5:30 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. This um, artist hasn't been announced, so it'll be announced on a further date. But, it's a um, various artists. It's also a ticketed event at the Pop ca Amphitheater. This one will be 2,500 people expected. Um, they'll be
hiring a private security company and off-duty. There will be alcohol, the same setup, 10 by 10 tents, food trucks, stage production, vendors, and the portable restrooms. Um, parking will be on barbecue row and the surrounding areas, and setup will begin on October 23rd at about 9:00 a.m. and they'll be
utilizing two entry gates for patron entry. >> Any questions? >> Just renewed comments about the security. >> Planning has nothing else. Police? >> Nothing further. >> Public Works? >> No comment. >> Fire? >> No comment. >> And Building? >> Nothing.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, Lexi. >> Thank you. >> All right, next item on the agenda is a plat for Fluer-di-li Town Center first the middle. I'm the project manager. It does not appear that the applicant is in attendance. They did receive comments uh, on the plat. Planning had a couple
of minor ones about the certificate of approval of the municipality. And I think Public Works had some comments as well. So, with the applicant not in attendance, Planning will not recommend approval as there's still outstanding comments. Police? >> No comments. >> Public Works?
>> Yeah, I discussed these with Brian >> Okay. >> over the phone, so maybe that's why he's not here. >> Okay. Uh, Fire? >> No comment. >> And Building? >> No comments, thanks. >> Okay. All right. Next item on the agenda is Crescent Ridge, formerly known as Vantage South, construction site plan
amendment first and middle. Uh, Jean Sanchez is the project manager. I'll be handling this one today. Um, I believe the applicant has arrived. And you did receive comments from the Development Review Committee. Is there anything you would like to discuss?
If so, if you could come to the microphone. >> Good morning. Sophia Sierra Gill with 1828 Engineering. Um, I believe we didn't get any comments from any of the departments other than public services. So, um, we really just need to upload or re-upload our plans once we get the
details that we need from, um, I believe Dale's sending them to us. So, yeah, just want to make sure, you know, anything else that you guys needed. You know, we'll be getting the plans up soon. >> All right. Dale, is there anything being >> I had a discussion with Luke about this
and actually did put some comments in yesterday after we agreed to some upgrades on the lift station. >> Okay. >> Yeah, as soon as you send us the details of what you want for the generator and the the manhole lids, then we'll get that on the plans and we'll re-upload.
>> I'll have that to you hopefully by the end of the day today. I've asked, you know, our maintenance people what they'd like. >> Perfect. >> Any additional questions for the applicant? All right. Is there outstanding comments planning cannot recommend approval for the as told that comments have been
resolved. Police. >> No comments. >> Public Works. >> No other comments. >> Fire. >> No comment. >> And building. >> Nothing. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Good to see you. >> Thank you all. >> All right. Next item on the agenda is the Ridge parcel 9 construction site plan first submittal. Jean is the project manager.
I'll be sitting in today for on this. Uh, the applicant is in attendance. Did receive comments from the DRC. Is there anything you'd like to discuss? >> Yes. >> Good morning, everybody. Jimmy Hoffman with VHB. >> Good to see you. >> Um, didn't have too many comments. This
won't take long and doesn't look like we have a packed house, so. >> [snorts] >> Um, under planning and zoning, Bobby, I know you mentioned this with Jean. Um, the comments appear to reference the old plan. Um, specifically like comment number two where asking us to show clearly show the
revised building envelopes and required setbacks for lot 26 and 27 since those grading notes identify those lots as constrained pads. Um those notes have been removed with their the submittal and we rotated those lots. Those were on the northeast corner of the site. Um we rotated those to kind
of be parallel and um provide just a much better usable pad. Um it does show the building [clears throat] envelope on there so we can we'll respond accordingly and just maybe a call out or two, but I shouldn't be an issue there. All right, I think the rest of these that I have are for Mr. Dale. Morning, sir.
Um >> [clears throat] >> I'll run through these pretty quick. So, number one, storm pipe should be outside of the geogrid. The only storm pipe we have that's in adjacent to the walls is yard drain a yard drain system specifically to stop
water from going over the walls. So, we need those to be near each other. Um the both the walls and the yard drain system are going to be owned and maintained by the CDD. We have that and we have easements shown on the plans. Those will not be city owned and maintained and they will be constructed together, but we've done this
all throughout parcel two of the ridge which is just to the south. We have this condition along many of those ponds. I think at least two of the big ponds just to the south of us. We have retaining walls. We have a robust yard drain system again to make sure we're collecting anything and not
letting anything spill over the wall. Um so wanted to present that information see how we can address that. >> Yeah, my concern is even though it's not city maintained, it's going to be maintained by the HOA. If you go in there and you repair this yard drain, you tear up the geogrid. What happens
when you tear up the geogrid? You remove the support for the wall. So, you know, that's my concern. And you know, and has this been platted already? >> Uh do not believe the plat's recorded. >> Right. So, you know, what we'll ask on the plat is that there's a non-disturbance easement over the area
with the geogrid. So, we really don't want anybody digging down on it. Now, if your you know, designer for your to if he will, you know, show how he's incorporating this. I don't know if he can, you know, do something different to where there's not geogrid over the pipe
itself. I know I I've seen with some of the landscaping plans that the designer will sort of design where the holes are, you know, for some of the plantings. But, you know, like I said, it's not just to protect the city of Apopka, but it's also to protect, you know, the HOA and the people who live in the
subdivision. And you're right, the earlier plans, nobody was looking at this because what was always put on the plans was wall to be designed by others. And now now that we've seen the design with these stack blocks and the geogrid runs anywhere from 7 to about 10 ft, we
would just like to have that area cleared of anything that would be disturbed in the future. >> Uh well, I would like to point out there that when we did go through these original ones, um predecessor and on the engineering side was requiring us to get um sign sealed
recommendations from not only the wall designers provide those plans, but also the geotech and provide a global stability analysis on the wall. And ultimately that between civil engineer, geotechnical engineer, and retaining wall designer, that we could all provide a letter of
concurrence that we've all looked at each other's stuff and everything's going to work okay. So, I I do think there was a lot of attention paid to these conditions. Um number two, if they've got to go excavate the pipe to go dig it up, they're taking the backfill off the back of the wall. So, there would be in terms of interim repair, yes, if
something had to dig down into the geogrid, that geogrid would need to be filled back and replaced when they do that. But, it's all within the same wall easement. It's all maintainable and there's I I don't see a scenario where you dig down to repair like you would just peel the geogrid back or
um potentially if if you had to, you know, provide overlapping geogrid or something as a restoration type method. Um but, we have this condition all over the place. Um the old you know, in in past errors we didn't have nearly the robust systems
here to collect water upstream of the wall or uphill of the wall. So, by providing this, we're providing a much safer condition where you're not going to have water cascading over the wall and potentially have an erosion and stuff like that. Um I would What What I'd like to offer is we can discuss this with the parties
that were involved in that previous coordination, the geotech, the wall designer, and provide some kind of um response from them and and we'll evaluate it. We'll take it into consideration, but um if if we have standard repair methods and things like that um we would from a geometry
standpoint, pushing pipe outside the wall pushes all the grading back and really leaves it where there's there's not nearly the usable backyard that we have in these lots. So, I I agree it's something we should, you know, consider and make sure that we have um a safe condition, but I
I don't think I agree that the impacts you're talking about are going to lead to wall failures and things like that. I think it's just part and parcel to it will be an additional thing that has to be done if you have to go and maintain those storm pipes. >> Yeah, and the failures won't happen today or tomorrow. It'll be 10, 15 years
from now, and people be digging down on it. That's my concern. Are they, you know, the people 15 years from now, are they going to know that oh yes, I need to make sure that I over excavate so I can either overlap, you know, some new geogrid with the old geogrid and that sort of stuff. So, you know, maybe if
you come up with a repair plan, tack it to your HOA documents and that sort of thing. >> Kind of what I'm envisioning is to make sure it's clear that the you know, you have this condition. The The The wall easements We do have wall easements on the plan regarding I think it's one of your other comments, a non-disturbance area. Um I think we can [clears throat]
work with the HOA docs on that and and make sure it's kind of clear and and word that as such. The intent when we show a wall easement that encumbers them from being able to put a structure or a pool or a shed or anything like that, so um but to clarify also they really can't change grade within that easement. I think that's reasonable.
>> Come up with a repair maintenance plan and you have to submit that and we'll look at it. >> Okay. All right, that was one of two there. >> [clears throat] >> I'll go through these and we'll provide full responses, but there's a comment that showed the inner direct interceptor drain on the wall sections. So we've got two types of drains here
that pertain to the the areas around the walls. We've got per the retaining wall designers design and per kind of standard it all of the retaining walls have a 6-in underdrain behind the wall near the base. >> And that's not the interceptor drain. You've got other drains there, too,
right? Cuz you've got some things that are labeled interceptor drain that are bigger than the 6-in ones. >> Correct. So I'll explain the the the distinction there. So all of the walls, no matter what, get >> [clears throat] >> that 6-in underdrain behind them as good standard engineering practice and we have those daylighted and and able to connect out.
The interceptor drains were specifically related to the ponds recovery analysis. So we have two areas with interceptor drains, both of which occur at the uphill side of the ponds, the two dry ponds. Pond 10, the large one, has a retaining
wall, so because that pond needed a 10-in interceptor drain uh between the the natural slope coming down to that pond and you know the pre-development conditions and so forth and the pond itself, that [clears throat] 10-in underdrain is doing double duty as the excuse me, this
10-in interceptor drain replaces the 6-in underdrain for the lower wall on pond 10. Pond 10 has two-tiered terraced walls. So the top wall has a 6-in underdrain, the bottom instead of having a 6-in underdrain and a 10-in interceptor, it's just a 10-in interceptor. So it's it's providing that protection
for the retaining wall, but more importantly the interceptor is helping to manage groundwater flows and route those around the treatment. >> No, well, I don't have a problem with I just want to make sure they're out of the influence of the foundation. Yeah, cuz yeah, I didn't you know, see any foundation, you know, plans, you know,
with this. And that's why I want to know what the depth is and how far away from in front of the wall it is. So >> So So, we do on our grading sections, we do have the interceptor drain location called out in relation to the wall where where it there is an interceptor adjacent to the
wall to really pond 10. All of the other walls do call out and show the location of the 6-in underdrain. And then we do have the retaining wall plans for the structural plans for the wall. Again, those were those were previously submitted prior to the CSP revision. I know with the city's new process, I
don't know if everything got re-uploaded with this or so forth, but the retaining wall plans do call out and kind of specify how that 6-in underdrain relieves to their wall. So, that's coming from the wall design. >> in is the distance off the wall and how deep is this interceptor drain >> Understood. >> to the wall? >> We'll We'll provide that clarity. But
the interceptor, I just wanted to point out and and we'll make sure it's clear in the response, the interceptor and the underdrain protecting the wall >> [clears throat] >> are different distinctions ultimately serving a very similar purpose, but we will have the details for how all of those fit. It It would replace the 6-in
underdrain on the geotext plans just with a slightly larger pipe. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh Add the interceptor drain connections to control structure details, no problem. Um You got a question about how How is the interceptor drain connected to the 30-in
storm drain? Um it's not. If you [clears throat] It may be hard to see on the plans, it goes right up to that crossing. We'll clarify maybe just add another foot or two of spacing to show it runs up to protect that bank, um but doesn't quite cross and does not connect into that 30-in storm pipe there.
Uh We got a question about a uh potential conflict that it it We'll provide the math, but it's not a conflict. We got a foot of separation. Um Some clarity question about something being drawn incorrectly on profile. I don't think it we've taken a look at it. There's a lot
going on there, but we can clarify uh maybe provide a blow up with some some call outs of of what these pipes relate to, but I think we should be good. Um There's a request for a spreader swell details. We have those on the plans. They're the spreader swells have call outs referring to section or sheet 205
and we have a full spreader swell detail in the plan. >> I didn't see a length on them. I saw a cross section. Just want to know how long they are. >> Okay. There's a length There's a table in the spreader swell section that calls out the length and we're actually two to three x over that as drawn on the plan. There should be plenty of room on
there. So, we'll make sure it's clear there. Uh design for the earth pond banks. I I looked, Dale, and I don't really see as much as I thought I would. Um we'll get with the geotech and make sure we provide that that clarity whether it's a
burn stability analysis or just detailed recommendations for the pond banks. >> Well, it's my understanding one of the ponds in the ridge actually blew out a couple of years ago. >> That was a isolated issue at the um that was chasing the outfall pipe from the structure. Um it was had to deal more with the
compaction around the outfall the control structure outfall pipe discharging through there. So, that was I think during construction and that got that resolved pretty quick. Wasn't a true burn blowout. Um what we have proposed for the burns we have four to one back slopes and and so forth. So, we're confident that's well within the
the recommendations, but we'll back that up with info from the geotech. And then drainage easements outside the right of way, um we took a look. Yep, probably appropriate to add some additional drainage easement coverage and then also we need to show the 10-ft utility easements that are adjacent to the right
of way anyway, so there'll be some some overlap on that. Uh wet well is meeting the separation uh requirement 35 ft. We'll add those dimensions. There's one other I think that's about it. So, nothing too
I don't really see a whole lot of plan revisions, just probably some clarifications and stuff on there, some easements to depict, a few call outs, and hopefully we'll be in good shape. >> Any additional questions for the applicant? >> Yeah, I've got nothing from building or fire, but happy to entertain any questions from you here.
>> All right. Planning has nothing to add at this time. The plan can't be recommended for approval as there are outstanding comments. Police, no comments. >> How it works. >> No other comments. >> Fire. >> No comment. >> Building. >> Nothing. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jimmy. It's good to see you.
>> Thanks, Bobby. >> All right. The applicant for Floridian Town Center plat is here. We already covered the item. Uh that's okay. Yeah, Dale, did you have anything you'd like to discuss with the applicant? >> No, I mean, I think we've, you know,
sent out, you know, comments for, you know, everything on it. What was here is just the stuff that related just specifically to the plat. >> Yeah, the plat our certifier didn't have any any issues with the plat items. We know we're doing that. >> If you could come to the mic, yeah.
>> So, actually that says John Townsend with the LJ. We had an annexation of hearing, I think, on the 15th. Or the 8th. >> So, the public works department's managing that. The annexation has to be per statute, it has to be sent to the
county 30 days in advance of public hearing via certified mail, that's in statute. Then we have to notify per joint planning area agreement of the annexation. Then it's got to be advertised for two consecutive weeks, so you're probably looking at the 30 days out.
September. September. September, yeah. Because of the timing. Yes. >> All right. And then after that we we do the um uh the >> Mhm. >> Can we submit that application now so that it's ready? >> Yeah, you can submit those applications. >> the process rolling cuz we need to do
that. >> In order to get the work. >> Okay. >> That's all I have and apologies for being late. >> [laughter] >> All right. Any questions for the applicant? All right, is there outstanding comments? Staff can't recommend approval at this time. >> Yeah. >> Um we need to get a recent Yes, a recent appraisal.
>> Police, anything additional? >> No comments. >> All right. Any other comments? >> Fire. >> No comments. >> And building. >> No, thanks. >> Second time we did this one. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, sorry. I like I said, I'm like, I hope they don't mean I was like third on the list. I was like, I hope I make it. So
>> No worries. Any items for discussion? We are adjourned. Part: 2
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. As you can see, we had a little celebration beforehand. So, let everyone take their seats. I'd like to welcome everybody to the city of Apakka Commission meeting for July 1st at 1:30. I would like to recognize Commissioner
Baron for the invocation. Mayor, commissioners, audience, residents that are here with us as well as those that are watching online. I have the honor and privilege to introduce you to my neighbor, my friend and pastor Steve Coleman for Faith Works
Church. He will give us our invitation for today. Pastor Coleman. Thank you. Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, we come before you today in these chambers on behalf of the city of Apka. We call upon you, oh Lord, the highest power, the spirit
[clears throat] of truth, the one with all authority for your help, your guidance for the mayor and the commissioners of the city. We cancel every spirit of division and call down your spirit of unity. We cancel every spirit of conflict and speak the peace of God which surpasses all understanding
into this place. We declare the spirit of wisdom which is Christ to overcome every obstacle that may arise. Let respect and resolution become the new song that is sung in these chambers that resonates across this city. Let harmony, inclusion, and empathy become the new standard that inspires not only Apakka
but surrounding cities, institutions, and even the state. Let results be the progression and be the new model and banner of Apakka. The city on a hill shining as it was imagined to be so long ago. We proclaim today we can do it
better together. Lord, let all things in this place be done in decency and in order for the benefit of your people. Let the spirit of Christ, unity, and harmony flow. Let it flow from the mayor to the commissioners. Let it flow from the commissioners to the city staff. Let it flow from the city staff to the fire
department, police department, sanitation department, and every department. And finally, let it flow from these halls to the street of Apakka that it may regain the status it once held in 2013 as one of the friendliest towns in America. But let it be reborn, imagined, and regained right here in
city hall. Now, may the God of peace, whom, through the blood of our eternal covenant, brought back from the dead of our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing his will. and may he work in us what is pleasing to him through Jesus Christ to whom be glory forever
and ever in Jesus name. Amen. >> Can I say >> Commissioner Baron if you could lead us in the pledge of >> allegiance. Pledge >> aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> You may be seated. Thank you for that and thank you uh Pastor Coleman. Really appreciate that. Uh we will move on to our public comment time. Um we just I think sent out the paper so if you want to get those feel
free. Um, M. Who do we got up? Francina Boyen 1484 Elderton Drive, Apakka, Florida to the Das Nice. The Apaka feasibility study to annex
Southern uninccorporated Apakka into the city limits is flawed. Months ago, Apakka selected the only bidder from a comp only bid from a company to conduct a feasibility study for $88,000.
And now another company will be char will be charging the city $44,000 for the same study. What changed? Real estate mogul LT Hunt in the early 1940s sold land to poor
black people who were b who were banned from living in the city saw for the toa and s railroad tracks. There was a caveat to all of his deeds securing the purchase of only persons of color or of
Ethiopian race or descent. uh could buy land or remain in that Oaklan subdivision. It shouldn't be difficult to conduct a feasibility study of unincorporated Apakka when the census
declare the community to be economically depressed. City of Apakka spending 44,000 dollars is a waste of your taxpayers money. Mr. Charlie Taylor, owner of vast acres of farming land east on Cleveland
Street at at in in unincorporated Pakka was the first victim of imminent domain where million where now the city of Apaka wastewater treatment is located processing millions of gallons of raw
sewage a day from Apaka's massive development on the north side of town to the unincorporated Apakka And not to forget the police department deafening gun range that is located in
the same location which is we all probably now shell shock from the daily gunfire. Residents living in unincorporated a parka are the bowels and have been the bowels of the city and
the county. What will be done to change that? Thank you. >> Thank you Mr. Thank you, >> Michael Durant. Sorry, I tell you, every time I come up here, I still get nervous. I don't know if anybody else does.
>> It's my tall statue. [laughter] >> Um, so I got to prepare a speech, uh, from Sierra. She wants me to stay on script. So, uh, good evening, mayor, commissioners, and members of our community. [snorts] Thank you for allowing me to speak to you tonight. My
name is Michael Duran. I am the father of fallen Apoca firefighter Austin Duran and founder of the 2650 Foundation. Four years ago on June 30th, 2022, Austin was critically injured while serving our community.
For the next 15 days, our family lived in the hospital, holding on to hope and praying for a miracle. Those 15 days we experienced from the very best of our community.
[clears throat] Firefighters and friends sat with us and brought us food. Complete strangers prayed for our family. City leaders reached out with their support. We never walked through those days
alone. Although Austin passed away on July 15th, we made a decision as a family [snorts] that those 15 days would never be remembered only for tragedy. Instead,
they were become 15 days of hope. And this is what brings me here tonight. Each year from June 30th to July 15th, the 2650 Foundation invites our community to join us in turning one
family's darkest days into a movement of hope, service, and gratitude. It's our way of honoring Austin's life by giving back to the very community that [snorts] carried us through those difficult days.
We began with the quiet tribute yesterday where [snorts] anyone could stop by, reflect, and remember not only Austin but all of the first responders who make the ultimate sacrifice throughout the 15 days. Feed our
firefighters initiative allows families, businesses, and organizations and community leaders to adopt a fire station by providing a meal. This year, the community, city leaders, friends, and family has once again successfully
filled every department and every shift. We also have pages of hope where children will visit a local fire station to hear stories read by firefighters, helping to build trust and positive relationships at an early age. [snorts]
We are inviting the entire community to join us for the Chipotle fundraiser. It's an easy way for families to enjoy dinner together while giving back because every portion of every qualifying purchase will directly support the mission of the 2650
Foundation. The Oak community will host the Duran 2650 heroes workout which encourages people to challenge themselves physically while remembering the strength and sacrifice of those who
served. We will close the 15 days of hope with our Run for Hope 5K, a celebration of community, resilience, and Austin's lasting legacy. It's a day where people of all ages can
come together not only to run or walk, but to stand beside our firefighters and support the mission improving firefighter training and safety. Every event has a purpose. Every event is rooted in service. Every event
reminds us that even in the face of unimaginable loss, hope can still bring people together. Tonight, I want to personally invite each and every one of you to be a part of this year's 15 days of hope. Attend
an event. Share our schedule with your friends and constituents. Encourage others to get involved. Your voice helps us reach more people and together we continue to build a community that supports one another when
it matters most. At the 2650 Foundation, we often say that hope is something that you choose. Four years ago, our family choosed hope. Today, because of this community, that
hope has grown into something much bigger than us. Thank you for your continued support of the 2650 Foundation, for standing behind our firefighters, and for helping us to ensure that Austin's legacy continues to inspire service, compassion, and hope
throughout the community. We hope to see you on the opening days of our 15 days of hope and any additional information is on our website at the 2650 foundation.org. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you.
>> Thank you, Mr. for J. All right. Thank you um first mayor and commissioners and the community for all the donations of food, clothing, hygiene items uh that you've given uh to me for
the compassion of Apopkco. Um the room was packed that night. We celebrated Junth and we also celebrate celebrated Fourth of July all at one time. The room was packed. The food was
awesome. The clothing was uh enormous. The hygiene items were very needed. Um the room uh was filled with peace which I prayed for ahead of time and harmony. Um I watched and spoke to each guest as
they came in, welcomed them. Um most of them came in exhausted from the heat and when they left they left with encouragement and a smile. and I only use myself as a as a piece to extend
what the community is doing for them. Um, I would like to um talk about what we're going to do in July. The 27th of July is our next event. We will be celebrating Christmas in July.
Okay. So if there are things or ideas that you have um to help me with that event, I would really like your opinions um right now heat exhaustion is something that is very prevalent among
most of them um and myself included. You know the heat is just something uh awful right now. So, if you can think of things uh such as I did see on um online that there are cool rags that you can put around your neck to keep the you
know to make it cooler. Uh I also see know that water, Gatorade, any of those kind of things that you can donate uh would also be very helpful. I'll remind you that you can find me on Compassion in Apopka
on Facebook and uh I also have cards and things available for you. I again I appreciate all your help, support and love and your prayers that continue to have me moving in in the way that I believe God is leading me. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Street.
>> Thank you. >> Andrew and Davis Reyes. >> Andrew, just get up here. [laughter] >> Good afternoon. Um, it's an honor to speak with you everyone today. I'm here
to talk about My name's Andrew, by the way. Sorry. Um, Andrew Reyes. I am the owner of the Oak Fitness Community um, here in Apopka. And I am here to talk about in partnership with the 2650 Foundation kind of tailoring off of what Mike Duran just said and just mentioned. Um we are part of the 15 days of hope
and um hosting the 2650 um the Duran 2650 workout at Northwest Recre um by the amphitheater. It's going to be on Saturday, July 11th, um, as shown on the slide earlier, and it starts at 7 am. Um, we are looking for volunteers, um,
to help with that event, for setup and breakdown, um, to help athletes stay cool. Um, as was just mentioned, it is hot out there and we are um, trying to keep that in mind as um, as we progress through this event. So, with that, we need volunteers to help with that. Um,
we are also looking for vendors and sponsors to help support the event as well. Um there is a raffle that's going on for the event and every um cent that is donated to the raffle items or to to the raffle tickets to purchase the raffle ticket 100% of the proceeds go to
the 2650 foundation um to benefit everything that they're um they're they stand for. Now with this um it is a free event to participate. So anybody is welcome from the community from the disall um out there. But this is
>> all the women out there sweating men. I'll stand on the sidelines doing this. >> You can pour water on somebody's head. That's totally fine. [laughter] Um we'll allow it's okay. Um that's why they sign waiverss. But um but yeah, we are looking for volunteers, vendors, sponsorships um and participants with
this free event. All right. Um all the information, registration, um registration to participate, registration to volunteer, um to also be be a vendor or sponsor is on our website. It is the oak community.com. And if you want to go directly to the page, it is duran or duran2650, either
one. So thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. >> Thank you, M. >> Thank you McMillan. Good afternoon, mayor and city commissioners. My name is Joshua Halter
Drive APK, Florida. As we celebrate 250 years of American independence, I wanted to read a song by probably the most famous singer or person from Apacha, John Anderson. Um, this song holds a special place in my family as John grew
up hanging out with my grandmother and her 10 siblings who sharecropped on an orange grove down the road from his family on Apopka Boulevard and also attended the same school. Seino Wind was released in 1992
as an homage to the history and plight of the Seino people who have inhabited Florida for centuries. This song has become an anthem for our state and goes as follows. Ever since the days of old, men would search for wealth untold. They dig for
silver and for gold and leave the empty holes. And way down south in the Everglades where the black water rolls and the sawrass waves, the eagles fly and the otter play in the land of the seinal. So blow, blow, seinal wind. Blow like you're never going to blow again.
I'm calling to you like a long lost friend. But I know who you are. And blow blow from the Okachobee all the way up to Mkenopi. Blow across the home of the seinal, the alligators and the gar. And progress came and took its toll. And in
the name of flood control, they made their plans and they drained the land. Now the glades are going dry. And the last time I walked in the swamp, I sat upon a cypress stump. I listened close and I heard the ghost of Oyola cry. So
blow, blow, seinal wind. Blow like you're never going to blow again. And lastly, I just wanted to thank you, Miss Virginia, for everything that you do for the homeless community in Apakka. Being someone who has relatives that are unhoused in the city of Aka, it means a
lot to me. So, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rick Mill. >> Thank you for that, Sylvester Hall. Thank you. [snorts] >> What is [clears throat] this? right here. Just Sylvester Hall. Good evening. Uh good
afternoon everyone, mayor and commissioners. Um everybody in the room and everybody listening just pretty much stood up for the the pledge. And I I love it when we say one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. We all say that proudly, but we all know that's not reality. And so when I come up here, I try to remind you of that. And for over two years, I have been saying this in the city of Apakka, in the state of Florida, and in our country. Too many
good people are standing by watching bad things happening and doing nothing about it, remaining completely silent. We have to stand united against racism. We have to stand united against hate. We have to stand united against corruption. We have to stand united against greed. And we
have to stand united against white privilege. When we normalize the atnormal, we desensitize the truth to the point the truth doesn't matter anymore. And that's where we at in our country. And I reminded every I'm reminding everyone as
I always do when we are selecting our elected officials to serve us. To serve us not to dictate us to serve us. The truth matters. Laws matter. Morals
matter. Ethics matter. Leadership matters. Character matters. Integrity matters. Principle matters. Rules matter. Facts matter. Procedures matter. Honesty matters. Accountability matters.
Responsibility matters. Justice matters. Content matters. Wisdom matters. And all God people matter. The letter that you see is a is a letter I received about a week ago, maybe a week and a half ago.
And it says, "You have no right to speak about Mr. Duran's loss, especially when you mention white privilege at every opportunity you get. You are an embarrassment to the black community, apocalyp black community. H if you believe helping by preach, if you
believe you're helping by preaching this nonsense, you are wrong. It's the opinion of many that you are an idiot. Okay? And I appreciate that person opinion on me, but let me tell you who I am.
I am a father of four. I am a husband of 41 years. I am a grandfather of two. I was in the deliver delivery room for all four of my kids and I delivered one.
I am a proud veteran of 21 plus 20 plus years of the United States Navy. I have a degree in business. I'm the proud owner, part owner of two small business and I'm a child of God.
So I say it's funny how people can say things about you, but it's what you responds to. So I appreciate that person opinion. And I would say to every person when you get up and when you stand up for what's
right, you're going to be crucified. And I challenge you, anything I say up here, I challenge you to fact check it on the common sense and just simply good dignity and human respect for each other.
Mayor Nel, Mayor Nelson, Mayor Marinista, when I when I left your victory party, I asked everybody who was there, I said, "If you remember only one thing that I say, remember this." And I said, "We
have tried everything in this country but love. It's time for us to give love for each other a try." Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Hall. >> Thank you, Mr. Hall. Good evening, uh, mayor, commissioners.
Let me first start out by saying I truly thank each and every last one of the commissioners along with the mayor. Thank you guys for at least uh let this feasibility study go
forward. At least you're going to get the information. You're going to give the information to the citizens so they can make a conscious decision.
You know, on this 250th anniversary, let's think about coming together. Let's look in Apopka. When it come to Christmas, it's on that side of town.
When it come to Martin Luther King, it's on this side of town. You hear people get up and speaking about how bad this is for South Aka. You have to understand that
I don't speak for everyone in Sapka, but I do know that people are suffering in South Aka. As they suffer in South Aka, if you go to your finance office here in the city of Aapka,
you're still making money off the people in South Aka. This is the reason when you hear me say, and I'm not trying to be derogatory in any kind of way to anyone. This is the reason when you hear me quote Harriet Tuckman,
she would have freed a lot of slaves if the slave son would have known that they were still slaves. There a lot of people have the slave mentality. We still have people that have a a a master mentality,
but it's time, like Sylvester Hall just stated, it's time to try love. It's time to arm the people in South Aka. Let the people in South Aka make a decision. Let those But the ones that
come up and kick against it, you have to look at the ones that send it. It's ludicrous. It's it's it's just now that's edit. Well, I don't want to say that because I don't want nobody to feel that I'm
poking at no one. But I will say this. Instead of you trying to kick against people, why don't you try to bring them together? That's the reason you hear me use the term sonism. It's time to shut that out and it's time
to come together. >> Thank you, Mr. Bone. >> You're welcome. Thank you, sir. >> Dr. I sent on June 26. >> Mr. Mayor, is it okay to load it now? I did send you on June 26. Uh >> I don't think we have time right now. I
apologize for that. But if you can just review it, we'll make sure that for next meeting that you're here, we take care of it. >> Sure. Uh good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. My name is Dr. Jim Moyer. I'm an elected orange and water conservation district 2 supervisor.
And first, I have to thank you for bringing in the Marines here for the celebrating the 250th. It was great to see my fellow brothers. Um, if I may quickly read here, according to the United
Nations, we're on the dawn of an era of global water bankruptcy, which means to me, in my view, that the job of the Orange and Water Conservation District is more important than ever to work in
conjunction with other governmental entities and to protect land and water uh resources. Here in Orange County, water is a finite resource. It doesn't last forever and it sustains
all life. This UN report I was talking about says that the make chronic uh groundwater depletion, water overallocation, land and soil degragation and pollution all compounded
by global heating which we've all experienced. Again, we're on the dawn of an era of global water bankruptcy. uh this this report that came out in
January um says that by 2030 AI will have guzzled as much water as 1.3 billion people in subsahara
Africa consume in one year to meet their domestic water needs and by the way that's about 14% of the population of the world. Um, it goes on to say that
you, meaning all of us, are going to have to decide if you want to continue using your water for agriculture or if you want to use it for data centers. And again, as I've shared with you many
times, uh life water is the key to life. And as I've shared before, uh I promote a D2C3 water challenge with the first C being
change your habits, second C being conserve water use, and third C being clean water bottles. Thank you for your time as always and God bless you for everything you do and happy 50th anniversary.
>> Thank you, Dr. Moyer. >> Thank you. That's >> it. >> All right, those are the cards that we have turned in for public comment. Is there anybody else that maybe didn't turn in a card that would like to speak right now? >> If not, I will close out the public comment period. We're going to move on to the proclamation. I'm going to step down so I can present that.
All right. So, I will read it and then we'll step down take a picture here. Whereas on July 4th, 1776, the second continental congress adopted the de declaration of independence affirming that all people are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights to life, liberty, and
the pursuit of happiness. And whereas the year 2026 marks the 250th anniversary of the founding of the United States, a milestone commemorating the courage, vision, and enduring ideals that shaped our nation. And whereas the United States semi quincsentennial
presents an opportunity for all communities to reflect on the shared history, honor, and diverse contributions of generations of Americans and celebrate the principles of freedom and democracy. And whereas the city of Apakkco recognizes the sacrifices made by those who defended
who defend and defended our nation, the achievements of those who helped build it and the ongoing responsibility we share in strengthening our democracy for future generations. And whereas a popular residents organizations, schools, and businesses contribute to the vibrancy and resilience of our
community, embodying the American spirit of service, innovation, and unity. Whereas the city of Aapia is proud to join municipalities across the United States in commemorating this historic anniversary in incor in in encouraging civic engagement, historical education, and community celebration throughout
2026. Now therefore, I, Nicholas El Nester, the third, mayor of the city of Apakka, Florida, do hereby proclaim the year 2026 as 250th anniversary of the United States Declaration of Independence in the city of Apakka, and encourage all residents to participate in local events and observances honoring
our nation's history, heritage, and hope for the future. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] Commissioners, if we can please step down for a picture. [snorts] She's taking
pictures. Thank you. All right, we'll move on to our approval of minutes. Um, is there any changes? Do we review them? Any conversation on it? >> If not, I will ask for a motion to approve the meeting minutes for June
17th, 2027. >> Move by Commissioner Ruth. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Baron. All those in favor say I. >> I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. uh for gender review. Obviously, I think everyone can see that uh Mr. Williams is not here today. Uh him and his wife had their beautiful
baby this morning at 7:19 a.m. weighing in at 8 lb 3 o and uh 20.5 in long. Uh both the mom and the baby are doing very well. I did ask for permission to make sure that I could read that and he said yes. So, I'm not giving out information not supposed to. So, um just praying for
the family to uh get home, have fun, and start that journey. I think many of us know it also well. So, >> congratulations. >> Yes, congratulations to the W family. Uh, so we're excited for them. Moving on to the consent agenda. Anything that we need to pull or any discussion items? Uh,
>> two and three. >> Two and three. Yes. So, uh, number two is the approval of code enforcement settlement agreement. And, uh, they're both code enforcement settlement agreements. Yes, we can, uh, pull those. So, I will look for a motion to approve consent agenda items one, four, and
five. So moved by Commissioner Anderson, second by Vice Mayor. All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Uh who would like to discuss code enforcement? Mr. Hansen.
>> Take this. >> If you can just give us like a brief a quick like update of what we're approving and then we can ask any questions from there. >> These are uh two these are two of the old um old ways that they were doing it before. They basically already paid their leans
and all that and you guys are just approving that. Moving forward, you're going to be able to approve the settlement agreements before they're paid. >> Correct. These are the these are two of the old ones. >> Okay. Commissioner,
>> uh, and I asked for them to be pulled. Um, I asked for them to be pulled and primarily because they kept showing up on the consent agenda and I wanted to take a deeper dive into the background
and the historical precedents that was set with the lean fine. Some of these some of these amounts are up there robust. Yes. And um but I wanted to make sure that you know we wasn't using this for a res revenue
source but then on the same token I wanted to bring it into the daylight instead of the dark. um in the past you know those settlements were done outside of everybody's uh view and I just wanted to know if there were standards set or
matrix for you know how the fine started the length and duration of the fine the the you know was it one of those things where you just assess the fine and then you you leave it forget it for three or four years uh rack up this tremendous
amount and then you know come back in on the back door and then asked for, you know, the the fine to be settled uh far exceeding anybody's auh ability to recover. And we had a lot a long conversation. I did
get the backstory of it. Um, but I did want to go back and make sure that the previous council me um meetings we had where it was lumped in with the consent that we brought that out in the open to where we we could actually examine it in
the daylight. >> Absolutely. No, >> I appreciate staff's uh assistance with it and uh moving forward there there's a road map now that's that's written and uh it's going to make everybody available to the information. We're
going to be part of the process. >> Okay. Excellent. Yeah. I mean that and that's the thing that was something that as I came in the code enforcement process was um just different different than what I um preferred and so we we did make some changes. Half of that was moving it over to building as well as the process in general. Uh, one being
that it didn't make sense that we would settle or or staff would settle an agreement, payment would be received before this commission would approve it. Correct? >> Because if we don't approve it, why did we just took cash in that we shouldn't be taking? So, >> or we left cash out there that that you know, we weren't involved with the
settlement agreement. So is that is the the the ask or the expectation moving forward that you want the commission to be a part of the negotiation process for the fees or I just wanted it brought out in the daylight. >> Okay. >> Got it. If it's in everybody can examine
it. If it's done in the dark then I want to know who these people are that are making those either the deny or the request. I wanted it to be open to them. >> I think being open to all you guys. I think that's going to be the best way moving forward. Okay. >> Yeah,
>> perfect. Excellent. I appreciate that. Then is there any other comments on that? >> No, I have already talked to Mr. Hansen about what I would like to see in terms of packetwise um that is brought to us when we review these. Um but I think that's more of a system issue, not so
much an issue. >> We'll have to get with Edmonds see if they can if I may. >> No, to be more clear about it. Um so in looking at uh the printout that was provided to us the chronological order of how
>> things were done >> trying to read in terms of >> painting a picture if you will where we're looking at this it it's kind of mixed up um and chronologically I would like to see when this resident or
business was first contacted why. Right. and then the communication overall. So, in looking at the paperwork, the uh details, >> I'm like, okay, this isn't making quite much sense. So, if we can get that in
chronological order. Um, and one of the other things, if I may, Mr. your hands. One of the other things that I noticed was um on the violation of notice, uh it's the one that we were provided today. Um it
actually had today's date on it. Um and so I was like, that's not going to be okay in terms of if somebody renews that and they're going to question that. So we need to look at why the our system creates that. Um if you look at the
violation of notice so my date of notice is July 1st July 26th >> and moving forward hopefully com our new software we won't have to >> worry about any of that anymore. So moving forward more of a chronological it's not so much terms of what we're
looking at it's just the way our system paint the picture for us so that way we we as a commission can make a concise >> decision. >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. And that feedback's very well received and and we will make adjustments to make sure that this is a little more detailed and just it paints
the right picture that and not not that it paints accurate or inaccurate just facts >> just a picture >> just the facts of what it is so that you're not having to dig and and try to >> right >> decide you know take too much time it should be well spelled out so well received on that any other comments specific to this
>> no [laughter] only because I realize that a lot of of the code enforcements are from the past correct >> and so like there's one here from 2021 and then here they are. Did they pay in 2021 and you're just bringing it to us in 2020?
>> No, they they just recently paid. There was one that was paid though a couple years ago. I think back in 2022 there was one paid. It just was coming now. >> Yeah. >> And one had to go through the city attorneys Ryan Knight. One one went through him. So, >> so when they when my question is when
they come for code enforcements and I know you used to sit on a lot [clears throat] of those meetings >> and and they do present the fine and that they kind of agree on the fine. It's done with the judge that's actually a code that sits in court the special magistrate. Is there an end date? Like
is there a date that they have to pay that fine? >> Who determines that date? Maybe that's basically what I'd like to >> So there's and this I'm Lieutenant Warman's here so he can provide a little more feedback but I won't speak out let
him speak knowledgeably about it. >> This transparency that we're having right now is primarily why I wanted this discussed. >> Perfect. >> So what's the question? uh it when when a fine is determined and the I'm going to say the defendant the the
person is being told okay this is your fine is there a date given to them by which they have to pay that >> yes so what it is is most of these are delinquent fines been going off for years where they haven't come into compliance and they've ran the course that's why some of the fines are so high
that you're seeing is because they aren't coming into compliance after repeated attempts to make contact with them when they actually come into compliance, they contact the code enforcement division where they enter into a negotiation process with the manager of the code enforcement where they come to generally between 10 and
20% of that final fine or the value of the home, whichever is less. So, it's not if the fine's $2 million, it's going to be based on the value of the home, which is going to be significantly less, generally 10 to 20% of that. And through that process, they'll be asked uh how much time they would need to to pay that
fine if an agreement is met, which is 30, 60, 90 days, whatever is determined the amount of time that they need. And that's when the settlement will be drafted. It will come before council for your approval first before moving on to the next step of uh submitting payment and then having the res.
>> Does that make sense? >> Is there anything in our ordinance that say 30, 60 or 90 days? >> No. So, who determines that? >> Uh, that would be up to the the code enforce manager, John Hansen, where I used to do it as well. And it would be
uh generally uh an armslength negotiation between two parties, the the the homeowner, the property owner, and the city. That's what the uh the attorney has recommended in the past which have we've been doing in the past is we're we're kind of changing the steps now of where
it goes before council before payment is made and that you approve the whole agreement first >> and I think >> so that's kind of arbitrary then the 30 60 90 >> well it it depends it used to be uh when we would collect payment first they would give them 30 or 60 days and if they needed more time they could ask for
an extension but in this case where it's coming before council first it'll probably it could be up six months. It could be a year. It depends on the time that they need to uh to come up with the payment for it. >> So, is that going to be updated so that we can do that?
>> Yeah. Only because I I I have a concern because I I do look at the code enforcements and I just find strange that some pay it right away and then some don't. But then I say, well, when do they have to pay it? And it's not in the paperwork. It is usually it'll say
they have within a certain amount of time or the agreement is null and void. It could be 30 days, whatever is determined between the negotiation process. If they say they need six months to pay it, then we give them a six-month end date on it. If they don't pay it, then the the document is null and void at that point.
>> Okay? >> It's usually it's written inside the agreement the amount of time. But there's no set time frame of always 60 days or always 90 days. >> Okay. Commission. >> Yes. I I just think my concern is the 10 to 20% settlement agreement rule like
who determines who take 10% 20%. And hearing some feedback from some of the residents is that they feel that depending on the relationship the person has with you know with the city depending on if they pay a 10% or 20%. So I think we need a standard of what that looks like. So it won't be well if
like this person you know 10% this person 20% there should be a set standard. Right now there's not a set standard. depends on the feeling of the person at the time and what relationship they have with the person. >> No, there's no set standard >> and I think there definitely should be a standard >> generally when I was doing it is generally around 10% was the absolute
>> but there there's been where it's not 10 as you agree 10 20%. So I think we definitely need that set standard so everyone could be treated the same way. >> Sure that's something that could be discussed if you want a set a specific percentage that's something that could be discussed >> and keep in mind the goal of code enforcement in general is not re if we
don't make a dime from this that is best case scenario. uh it's compliance. We just want people in compliance. That that's the whole point of this. We don't want to fine. It's not it's not built for that. But we do need to have teeth for it. And I think some of some having sat in those meetings to your point, uh we have some commercial properties that
tend to do it over and over and over and repeat offenders and that. So, you do want teeth to it to make sure because if if we don't have fines to it, uh we want compliance at the end of the day, but uh at the same time, to your point, if somebody doesn't have the true negotiating skills to negotiate this
down, are they stuck with a certain number? Totally agree with that. And so, I do think it's something that I've been looking at as well to to kind of bring in something um consistent [clears throat] >> across the board regardless of who you know, what you know, so socioeconomic status, age, anything. >> Here's here's what you're gonna be
paying. >> Yep. So, >> just want to make note some of these like I believe it's a saddleback the Sharp Street one was actually in a foreclosure and that was uh that agreement was settled through the city attorney through his process with the other attorney. So, some of these actually get settled by the attorney as
well. They call us for consultation, but they're the ones who do a final settlement on it with your approval, of course. >> Okay, understood. Thank you. Any final questions? Yeah. >> Does anybody from the public wish to speak on this? I know we already did have public comments. Just want to make sure I provide that opportunity. All right. Close. Uh public comment on that.
I'm looking to approve consent agenda items number two and three. >> Uh moved by Commissioner Ruth. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Baron. All those say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. All right. We'll be moving on to business item number one. Uh the
ridge phase three. >> Good afternoon. For the record, Bobby Hall, planning manager. This is the quasa judicial request for the ridge phase 3 major development plan. The request before the city commission this afternoon has approved the ridge phase parcel 3 major development plan. Subject
property is located within parcel three of the ridge plan development generally located near boy scout road and a okoya road. The proposed development areas on the western portion of parcel 3 with the remaining portion reserved for future commercial office development under a
separate development plan application. As you can see, the parcel is highlighted in the yellow on the screen. The rest is reserved for the other development. The property has a mixeduse future land use designation and a PD plan development zoning designation. The
Ridge PD was established by ordinance number 2858 and later amended by ordinance number 2938. The proposed multif family development is consistent with the approved PD master plan and does not change the adopted land uses or development capacity for parcel 3.
The Ridge PD was established by ordinance number 2858 on July 21st, 2021 and was amended by ordinance number 2938 on July 27th, 2022, which expanded the overall development area. The overall ridge PD is a mixeduse development
consisting residential, commercial, office, industrial, and recreation uses. Parcel 3 encompasses approximately 30.49 acres. Approximately 14.37 acres are allocated for the proposed development, and the remainder of parcel 3 is identified for future commercial office
development. Parcel 8 is identified as the lake recreation area and central open space amenity for the PD, which is located right here. that's intended to serve the larger mixeduse development including the subject parcel.
The proposed multifamily portion cons comprises of 363 dwelling units within 11 apartment buildings, a clubhouse, leasing building, pool, parking areas, internal drives, sidewalks, landscaping, utilities, and related site improvements. Staff also confirmed with the applicant
that EV charging stations will be incorporated in the project as part of the construction site plan submittal. Access to the development will be provided through Boy Scout Road which is up here. This is that northern access point right there as well as through the
extension of Bronson Lake Drive to AOA Popka Road which is down here which is noted as a parallel facility to Boy Scout Road. The plan identifies internal access drives serving the apartment buildings and parking areas with proposed turn lane improvements to be reviewed further
during construction approval. MDP The MDP preserves future coordination with the remainder of parcel 3 by showing cross access and pedestrian connections to the future commercial office development which will come forward under a separate MDP. The plan also identifies a pedestrian
connection toward parcel 8 community park area. The landscape plan includes perimeter parking lot, foundation, and internal landscape that consists of plant materials such as southern oak, southern live oak, Schumer oak, southern magnolia, Florida flame, red maple,
crepe myrtle, and aiatic jasmine. Development Review Committee on June 3rd recommended approval of the Ridge phase 3 major development plan, found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and land development code and approved the major development plan based on the findings and facts presented in the staff report. At its meeting on June
9th, the planning commission found their proposed ridge phase 3 major development plan consistent with the comprehensive plan and land development code by a vote of 4 to two with members Woods and Harrison dissenting based on transportation access and railway improvement considerations. Recommended
motion this afternoon is to approve the ridge phase three or parcel 3 major development plan. That's conclusion of the presentation. Myself and the applicant are here for questions. >> Thank you, Mr. How before we take a deep dive into this, attorney hand, if you can give us a brief rundown or reminder of what quasi judicial means while we
make this go go over the decision making of this. >> Mr. Mayor, I'd be happy to. Being a quasi judicial item, uh, essentially I guess the best way to to describe it is to differentiate it from a legislative item. When you have a legislative item, you're essentially voting on the item
and there is a uh there's more discretion to the board, a higher standard. Uh when you go to a uh a more differential standard rather, when you're in a quasi judicial setting, uh what the board has to do is consider the
evidence that's presented before it and evaluate that evidence by the criteria that ultimately guides the decision. And important to note that essentially what you're voting for, you're sitting in a quasi judicial because you're sitting up
there as like a panel of judges to actually decide if those criterions are met. It's not a situation where you're necessarily voting your conscience, but deciding whether or not adequate evidence has been presented to satisfy those criteria. >> Thank you for that. >> Very welcome.
>> With that, uh, does anybody from the DAS have a any questions? >> Well, I just want to exparte. I did have a meeting uh with Mr. Ken Walsh yesterday and that was basically to go over um the ridge because this has been going on for five years and I was a
sitting commissioner from the very beginning. So we kind of went over some of the uh the site plans and how it was intentionally planned. Um and of course I will say this, I did tune in to the DRC. I actually I believe I was here
because I came for another agenda item and the ridge was actually being presented and uh I was also here for the planning and zoning meeting and again I came not for the ridge but it was another uh agenda item so I got to hear
both of them and so yesterday when I sat with Mr. Walsh. It was basically to kind of address some of the concerns that were brought up both at DRC and at the planning and zoning and of course had to do with the transportation, the
right-hand turn and uh and I believe the two commissioners that descended from the planning and zoning it was they wanted the developer to kind of give them what would be the impact of existing
uh residents when the development would start and I and I remember asking that specific question was what's the timeline for the development from start to finish and so that was given to me um
where he said two to five years so um and I know that there's a widening of the road which now it's our responsibility so I was trying to get some clarity on that because initially I thought from 2021 one and I did say that
to Mr. Walsh. I thought it was a partnership that they were going to kind of help us widen that road, but then uh I think the second amendment changed that for uh the development agreement and the city would be responsible and we have a brand if I'm not mistaken. So,
it's basically the city that is going to be responsible for the widening of the road. Have we started that yet? >> Still in the process with the build grant. As far as the widening, I can defer to Mr. Simonowski, the public works director. It's kind of under his purview, but uh it's we're still working through the build grant criteria.
>> So, basically, when this uh development starts, because it some of it has already been developed. >> Yes, a lot of it. >> Yeah, a lot of it was developed. So, this particular area by the time they even start to kind of turn dirt, we will
be starting the road at some point and kind of be in conjunction with it. >> Yeah, that should be the case. Now keep in mind today we're just considering the major development plan that does not authorize construction. We're just still this is a process still we still have to go through the construction site plan.
Then after that if that's approved then that they have a precon meeting pre-construction then they're able to turn dirt. >> So I just kind of wanted to talk about the things that I spoke with Mr. John Walsh yesterday and um so that's
basically >> Yeah. >> Thank you. I also had a meeting as well with Mr. Wash yesterday and what some of my concerns were there were roles in the infrastructure and we kind of went went over the timeline. I do have some other questions about it in regards to I think we acquired the when did we and he
didn't wasn't really sure. So the city purchased the land from the developer. Is that accurate >> for which which property are you? >> Which part? So the for the turn lane that there's a partnership and I actually don't have it in front of me. I thought I did. I think I left it back in
the office. There's a partnership and we kind of spoke to that yesterday. Do you Is it okay if I That's really important because >> Yes. Would you kind of Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. Commissioner Kevin Walsh. the uh what we were speaking about at that time was the partnership
with that we worked with the city on in regards to the >> road boy scout road the new 429 ramps coming down. >> We helped provided we bought some land in that area. We provided some right
away from our original development along with some of the adjacent property to allow the city and CFX to build the 429 new ramps that are going in. That's what I was that's what I was referring to at that time. >> That was the Do we know what the status of that is? That particular
>> that's internal for us. We're doing to the point that was made there. We are partnering with the state on that one and I don't know the status of that. Uh Mr. Sanchez I think was possibly running with that. >> Yeah, she's running point on that one. We're still in process on that. Uh, looks like we might. >> So, is there a time frame? Because I know some a resident asked me about it,
but I just said I didn't have a time frame. So, do we have a time frame in place? I just want to make sure that I'm able to. >> Yeah, it's going out to bid uh for a constructor. Uh, so we're still working through that. So, I can't provide you a timeline. >> When will we go out to bid? >> Uh, we're working on that right now. >> Is there a time period for working on it?
>> There are people that are doing that. It'll be going out soon. >> Is it two weeks, three weeks, a month? Because they're asking me, I say time frame, they ask me two years, three years. probably important because she's out of town right now. So, we'll get with her and then we'll make sure that that information is coordinated. I'm sure there is something there. Um and
and as we're going through budget season, too, I'm sure that's causing a little bit delays on on just getting some things out. So, um which makes sense because we got a lot going on on the budget side. So, uh >> but I want to be able to have because with residents I you know, I always respond, you know, we're working on working on it, but I'm not able to give them the timelines. Absolutely. Some time.
>> Yep. We'll work on that. Absolutely. And make sure that that is articulated out as well. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? Was that okay? >> No, the only question and I think uh we spoke about it during our agenda review um was I know we're focused on Bignyan
and Boy Scout. However, we still have to look at Boy Scout and AOAK. Um that is a very uh busy road. Um and it's a road that needs uh some attention in terms of just that intersection
alone. My concern is that we need to get an intersection up there. I know we spoke about it, but I just want the public to know that I am advocating for making sure that we have an intersection and light, whether it's just a post light there. Um because trying to make a
left turn, trying to make uh to go towards uh unorporated Orange County to the city um or even trying to make a right turn might be difficult. I'm also concerned about the uh Bron Bronson Lake Drive that that corner there along with
a Koa Pakka. Um perhaps maybe a three-way stop, something that will alleviate the traffic. Um I'm not an engineer, but I'm just thinking about the residents that take that road periodically um or trying to leave their residents to get to work um to try to
make it easier for them. So, it's just something that I want to make sure that we're we have that in discussion as well. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> Um, I too I too met with Mr. Walsh on Monday. I I love your product. You're
you're doing an amazing job. the the after the conversation I had with him, you know, I then had um my staff review with with the staffing and all the concerns that I laid out in in uh my
earlier meeting I approached staff with and and that's where it got very convoluted. Um in the last decade we've added 6,000 residents right in that area. and nothing's changed. We've uh there
there I did find in that conversation that there was going to be two red lights that are coming that are strategically located in an ideal location. Um there again the the the information I was receiving backwards
and we got this don't have a due date don't have a start date and then I'm being asked to approve another 365 apartments which is going to turn into a thousand vehicles to an area that's
already overburdened. uh the infrastructure is is lacking at best. Um you know that that that force main that goes there which is going to be upgraded when they do the four lanes.
Uh I see a lot of u attention drawn back on us that's going to be uh painful at best for the next five years. And uh you know I'm having a really really tough time w with this. I
mean, you got a you got a a fantastic product out there and we're underperforming on ourselves. So, I'm trying to make this digestible enough, but I made a promise to get on this DAS and, you know, I'm just trying to live up to my obligations and and I I really
appreciate the the deep dive that we took on the project because I asked some pretty tough questions and got very truthful answers. And actually it was it was very u it was received well because the information you were giving me is assuring that we're we're giving a a
quality product. Um I just think that on the back side of that we got to do a little bit better. wellreceived and and I I completely agree with you and that's why I wanted to have attorney hand kind of explain what the the difference between quasi
judicial versus um legislative that we do have to look at at the facts of the property in this project and application itself. I do want to comment on the the boy scout and ako papa road. Um same similar comments I'm receiving as as of the safety being able to turn in and out
of there. Uh and I know that we've been working with public services to uh evaluate if you could comment on that so I don't want to misspeak. Appreciate you. Good afternoon everyone. Vladimir
Simonoski public works director. Uh we're working right now with one of our consultants with metric engineering to perform a uh warrant analysis for always stop. So, at least we can do something in interim solution [clears throat] like stop the bleeding
right now. And uh we're looking into potentially putting a a temporary uh traffic light because the widening of the project, if we do the final traffic light, we're going to have to remove it after that and reconstruct everything. And that project, the widening of Okoya Papar
Road currently depends on the federal grant. So until we receive the money, we can't really start construction. And >> we apply for the grant. We have already applied for the grant already. >> Yes, we have been awarded for the uh for
17.4 million I think and total project is 21.7 million. 20% is of course the share for the city and 80% is the federal grant. So, we're in the process of submitting the final documents for that and then the cycle will start and
we'll see how fast the federal government will turn around. >> Okay. >> Yes. Keep in mind there's a difference between awarded and getting a check. So, just make sure there there's a time delay there. I just want to make sure that that's awarded sounds great, but I don't get that check for for we don't get that check for a long time. So, uh
>> Mr. someone else's team is working hard on on making sure that that comes through, but at the same time in the interim, we need to make sure that that intersection is as safe as can be um and prioritizing safety. So, we are looking into that and what I was educated on is that we can't just throw up stop signs wherever we want. Although we may want
to sometimes, it needs to be backed by some data and information just in case anything happens that it make sure that it's solidified there. But I think the need is is well warranted that I I don't think I'm not worried about a study coming back and saying it's not warranted. It's just we got to get that and then be able to implement uh something quickly to make sure that
quality of life uh for the residents in that area is is high and safety is increased. >> Yeah. Because uh I heard Jean at the planning and zoning she said there's a corridor study that is being conducted. >> The corridor study was done by BHB back in 2022.
>> Okay. >> And that was condition for applying for the grant for the federal grant. >> Okay. But they did lower the mileage per hour there from 45 to 35. >> I to my recollection the four laning
will remain as a 45 when it narrows down from um 13th Street over to H Hotton that section because of the limitation of the rightway. It's going to be lower to 35. >> 35 >> correct. >> And then she mentioned something about
roundabouts. Uh no roundabouts are >> not on there will be on commission was speaking about on the west side Ban and Boy Scout >> Byan and Boy Scout that's part of the CFX correct >> part of the road. >> Yes.
>> Any other questions from the D >> final comments? I have met with developers well a few times throughout the past few years specific to this project. So I'm just making sure that was disclosed as well. Uh we'll open up to the public. Any public comment? on the map. [snorts]
>> Where where um from from Boy Scout? Where is this? >> This will probably show a little bit better. So this is Ben and Boy Scout. This is Boy Scout. This is Oko Pakka. This is the site. >> Okay. Oh, so it's it's mostly the one
behind Brunson. >> Yes, sir. Well, okay. Uh, did what I would like to know, uh, where where this going in, I don't know if you remember, Commissioner Ruth, that used to be a
dump. Uh, it used to be uh I think to the left of it, it used to be that great big old mansion like house. >> This the Steuart Bronson owned it. >> Yes. And right to the right of it,
that's where people used to dump gas tanks, uh, lawnmowers, motors, and a while back up under the, uh, last administration, I asked the question, did they do the the
brown field? Did they do the flood study and all that? And they said, oh, no, it it uh, it wasn't a dump. It was just a place that people put trash. That was a lie. I played in it, you know. Uh
[snorts] that's where we used to go rabbit hunting. But uh but if you come on up Bion Road, I mean up Boy Scout to Bingan Road on the left hand side uh where they putting in some kind of commercial building in there. Now, that
right there need to be immediately somebody need to be there to put in a three-way stop sign or something right now because you need to get the developers. If you look to the south, you can't see nothing coming off the hill. And I don't understand how in the
world you going to put in a a four-way lane there, coming across right there, and you got a bridge there going north on on Venue. We're going towards Plymouth on Bignyan. You already got one roundabout there and you the
last administration uh we got a big community going in behind Bignyan I mean behind M Helen our community. Now you got people coming out on Bingan off of uh Beersley Road. And when you come off Beers of the Road down on the right hand
side, you have um you have Camp Weiwok, you got the S-curve down through there. How that going to work out with a a roundabout on that end? It need to be it need to be some more engineering. There need to be some more
studying. And before you just start throwing houses up in there, it's already enough in there. You remember we had a conversation with the last developer about moving the entrance from Mod Helen Street back down
to John's Road where run past uh Mod Meadow where the Kobas and I'm telling you man when you pull up to Byan Road it's a crap shoot because if if the one
turning to the right all the way up on uh Boy Scout If somebody turning on the right, they get up too far, you can't see the turn left, you don't know what's coming off the road. It needs to be some more work done on that. >> Thank you, Mr. Bell. >> Thank you.
>> Any other public comment, please? >> Thank you, Steve. Mayor, commissioners Jim Moyer, 1811 Southern Red Oak Court in the north part of Akoi. And as the name implied, AOPaka Road
connects the second and third most populated cities in Orange County. Both neighbors here. And just for your information, the closest major hospital
to North AI is Advan Health in a pocket. It's there's no major hospital closer even in the city of Akoi and the ambulance will take a person from North AoE to Advan Health in Apaka. So, I just
wanted to point that the importance of that portion of 429 as well as a coe popcode. I just wanted to point that out. Thank you for your time. God bless. >> Thank you, Dr. Mark. >> Thank you. >> Any other public comment?
>> Um, I just have a couple questions. Have there been any tests on the soil at all that area? Have there been any test on the on the soil? >> I'll make sure to ask that right as soon as we wrap up public comment. The phase ones in brown fields. I'll ask that. >> Yeah. Because when they come to you, all
this is is a safety. Uh we know the the the problems we don't have with water and everything else. So those type of things should be already conducted before it gets to you and you should have those results in hand when you're evaluating things like this on the
coming out from um Boy Scout to Apakka uh Valent. We need to have something done now not two three four weeks or a year we need something temporary now to deal with that. That is a blind side and it's a
accident waiting to happen every single day 20 to 30 40 50 times a day. So we need something temporary now to to look at that and come up with some temporary that we can diffuse any accident because I I hate to
wake up one morning and see somebody have tragically lost their life in an accident in that area. So we need to do something now on that on that area. I visit it at least three or four times a week and it's it's torture getting in and out of there. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Hall. Any other public
comment? >> Thank you. >> We'll close public comment if I if I can ask the applicant. Uh phase one, any brownfield tests, any environmental tests at all that were done and the results of those tests, please. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, fellow commissioners. My name is James Hoffman. I'm with VHB. We're the applicants. I'm
also here with Popka Centerline Development, the owners. Um to speak directly to question about soil testing, I don't have the detailed answers in front of you, Marinesta. However, we have secured all necessary permits to date for the project from both the city of Apopka and the St. John's River Water
Management District for all development. Part of that standard process is environmental site assessments have to be done to identify any potential hazards. If any hazards are identified, there's escalated series of analysis that go through there. We have been developing the ridge for about five years. Part of that um previous
development was a comprehensive masquerading permit for the entire ridge PD from St. John's River Water Management District and concurrent approvals through from the city for various parcels that we have developed. So we have taken all the necessary regulatory steps to date. Um I I don't
have specifics in front of me on any exact results within parcel 3. However, uh this area was a a previous orange grove as a lot of areas are um with the freezes that's no longer functioning. So gives way to to development. The area
under the apartments, we previously had a masquerading permit from the city um and dirt was moved over as we balanced earth work throughout the site. So um everything was done in the sunshine through all the the required permitting regulatory processes. >> Okay. >> And this area the soil uh again one of
the aerials um and Bobby I'm sorry I'm not familiar with your setup here. The aerial even showed you know that portion where the apartment's going to be cleared substantially. that was done in anticipation of this development. Um, but again, we we can um provide details
of of the testing that's been done so far, but there is a a very regulated process from the state and local ordinances that require us to do that for any project we develop. Anytime you turn dirt and if hazards are identified, there's steps that are required to go um explore those further. Um, I would like
to touch on just a few other questions and concerns that came from the board. Um so as Bobby mentioned and as noted in the staff report we went through the PUD process in 2021. At that time we explored the impacts to the city and uh work through critical infrastructure
elements such as utilities, transportation and so forth. Um we've cooperated with the city through various phases different transportation projects including detailed reviews with the design consultant for the roundabout at Bendy Road. um worked to make sure that our developments will work together with
that seamlessly and provide safer opportunity or safer traffic patterns in the in the region. Uh we also extended several miles of off-site utilities including forge main for the project, upgraded a lift station uh master lift station for the ridge well beyond the development's needs and anticipation of
the city's future infrastructure needs. And to date um everything that we are proposing is 100% consistent with the PUB. And to date, we have met as a project team all obligations from the PUT has agreed. >> Okay. Thank you for that. Any additional questions to the applicant or to staff?
>> All right. Well, I will look for a motion either for for anything for the major development plan for the ridge phase three. >> I'd like to make a motion that we either delay or postpone this until we catch up
on our part. >> Um, our traffic all All we've done is we've identified problem after problem after problem with no answers. And I just I I just can't uh bring myself to come forward knowing the traffic hazards
that are there and the infrastructure improvements that need to be done and find find it possible to book for. So >> I'm not against the project. I'm against its timing. >> Okay. >> So I'll try to answer your question. Are we allowed to delay the I mean because I
know is would that be an issue? >> Essentially that would amount to a tanamount denial. Uh and ultimately if if that's going to be the motion you'll have to site reasons that these standards are not met and that would have to be part of the motion. Uh so
that would have to be uh presented in the motion and voted on as well. Um certainly uh what you're evaluating is whether you've received evidence that all the standards are met and it is within your discretion uh if you need more information to potentially table
the item to get the information that you need. Um but no, just to delay the project uh for infrastructure reasons is is is problematic unless there's a clear articulation of a standard that is not met. Well, it's clear that the traffic
and the infrastructure to support this project is not currently there and uh there's not a willingness to the sta from the staff to tell us what that timeline and even started is. Um so you're talking about adding another
thousand vehicles to a road that's already overwhelmed. um the it's clear that the infrastructure can't support what we currently have plus add more to it. Um you know I'm at a point where enough's enough until we
do our part to uh up do better with our standards. >> So I I think that I will I will amend I'm not sure if you did did you motion already to >> So he just to delay until we catch up. So, I will modify >> if I can if I can just let that go
through and then we'll Okay. So, is there any second to that motion from the board? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. So, with a second on this, um again, there's not a time certain on this and we're not specifically stating what that is, but it is just a motion to delay until we catch up. So, to follow
this through, um all those in favor of moving to delay until the city catches up on their infrastructure and streets, >> are we allowed to modify that that motion to add something to it? >> No. I mean, we can again make the rules because we haven't set our our rules yet. So, >> I don't know about delaying the project
other than maybe tableabling more information >> because delaying is is >> you have to kind of >> Would you be open to a modification? >> I think Can we Can we modify? Are you okay with modifying your motion? >> I'm okay with a modif modification as
long as it the infrastructure to support it is there or at least started before we move any further. So, um well, we can't I don't think we can't >> I think with the modification of your motion, we'll probably give you what you want, but I think just making sure that
we're in compliance with the law. I think based on what the attorney recommendation is, my opinion is the way that's structured will put us in issues with the the wording of your of your motion. >> Well, I mean, we got we got we got two standards here. there's a denial, which I'm clearly okay with moving on that, or
a delay, >> but the premise for is solid with the the supporting evidence that we've heard both from staff and the area. We can't support it via the traffic pattern. You know, you can say the traffic patterns
there, but I I I will tell you this. You've never been to Boy Scout at five o'clock in the afternoon and tried to make a left or right-hand turn. Um the if you go on the crest where this new intersection is going to be that that
line's busted in my in the last 10 years twice. >> So >> um and if I may jump in just briefly what I and I'm happy to get this one to motion. I'm not comfortable with the way that the motion is set. Um, so I would be voting against that one. But what I would be open to is is a time certain
that we would delay this to get a plan back from staff of what this looks like. What type of timelines do we have? And then come to a final vote of comfort. Hey, if it's not five to seven or even not even a plan in place of improving some of these roads or intersections, then we can have that final.
>> The burden needs to be shifted back on us because we're the ones that can't answer the >> staff staff will come up with a timeline. I'm I'm I'm I'm already identifying where the problem lies. >> I'm just not comfortable with a uh no time certain. >> Yeah, me neither. >> Right. >> So, I'd like to bring it back at a
certain a time certain either uh next uh not the next commission. We need a little more time than that, but either next month at this time or two months from now to be able to have sta give staff enough time to evaluate all the roadways that we own here, the intersections and then provide a
timeline for what the city is going to be doing both for roads for any >> financ. >> So, but again to your point that's that's for us to do. Um and if if you're not comfortable with the the project and there is you do have the option to deny
this it opens up latigious uh opportunities if we want to go that route it is what it is but um that's why I wanted to make sure we were clear on the quasi judicial side of this that it needs to meet certain metrics and we need to decide if it meets those metrics. >> Yeah. But I don't want the dis to set
the the date of the the next time it's approached because staff has got to clearly identify the problems. It's a time. It's a timeline that they're going to have to set. >> So, I totally agree with you. And what we can do is we still need to set a time, sir. I I just I don't think we can
just a delay in perpetuity. But what we can do is when it comes back, if staff is not clearly and confidently ready to provide um financials and timelines that they can commit to then uh then we can delay it again. >> I didn't you know until Monday that we on the road. [clears throat]
>> That's amazing. >> Yeah. Mr. Mayor, >> I think that's what I was. >> Yes. Uh please keep it as brief as possible. >> Absolutely. As as Mr. Howell noted, we're here today for approval of the major development plan. We have a lot of runway left in terms of final engineering plans and things need to be
started before we can even break ground and then a construction duration before we even have residents. So I would profer that uh a delay at this point would be an undue burden on the project and our timeline to secure those approvals. But we do have a long process before we can actually break ground and
add any more trips to this road. So I would ask for staff to work with public services, confirm the details that are on the city side and in the city's court and allow us to move forward to continue to work through our engineering process and continue this discussion. >> And if I can just articulate something
that he specifically stated undue burden uh is is a very important term right now specific to the state legislature that allows uh a developer to now sue us if they feel and articulating which the developer is right now that there's an undue burden if we delay this
is what was just said. So, >> so if if we could table it, >> just table it. So then that way it allows an opportunity for you to you know continue the communication with our staff. That way we can make sure that we
have our all of our questions answered including the the soil. You can provide that report with us. you can provide that soil report along with other the other reports and other questions that we ask. That way you can bring that to us and we will have those questions
answered and our staff can make sure that they have their they've done their due diligence in terms of what we need to do with our roads, what's the expectation is from us as a city. Um so that way we can create a collaborative effort together. Um I I think if if we
can table that just for the moment and just perhaps put it on the calendar now uh maybe for the beginning of August or the second week their second meeting in August so that way it gives us enough time uh gives you enough time as well and then that way we can address it
then. >> So >> good. So I just I kind of the same what the mayor was saying. I think that is more safer. I will move to deny your initial motion um Commissioner Ruth only
because I think it will put the city um potentially yeah under so I think the un with the vote that he did have. So we did get a f motion and a second. So, all those in favor to move to the delay until the city catches up with their infrastructure, um, please vote I now in
in favor of delaying. >> I, >> uh, all those opposed I >> I. >> So, that motion fails. Uh, 3 to2. Uh, Commissioner Ruth motioned. Commissioner Baron seconded and both voted in favor.
And Vice Mayor, the mayor and Commissioner Anderson voted. Um, >> I want to table. That was the suggestion that makes more sense. >> We just voted to to >> correct. But the information I'm going to receive back is when are we going to get the traffic light and the traffic
study is going to be incomplete with a timeline of when these events are going to occur. >> That's correct. >> Yes. >> Correct. >> Right. because we we're in a really >> awkward position right now because we cannot
burden a developer based on some of the >> uh issues that the city's having not them >> but the city's issues directly affect the developer and knowing that now there's no way we can move forward but
we can't burn them the developer >> and the city they're following our code, right? So, we have to the city is something that internally that we have to, you know, needed discussion. I understand. Okay. So, and if I can just kind of wrap this up tight, too, and again, keep in mind that developer just
stated very specifically that if we delay this, it is an undue burden. So, they're saying delay at all is an undue burden, right? Uh so, it's it's the decision of effectively uh is this commission ready and and prepared to >> for litigation if we delay this in any capacity right now. That that's kind of
the decision of what what I just heard and how I'm going to boil it down. >> So, I'm open to another motion. So, I move to table the major development plan phase three until the beginning of August and allow
staff time to provide us a more of a detailed time frame on when some of the roads that that's in question um will be started, developed, and also the developer uh give us um I guess the field
>> brownfields. What was it? Brownfields. >> Any environmental >> any environment assessments prior to uh the meeting? >> Turn a hand. Would you like to comment >> are cleaning up? [laughter] >> Commissioner, if if I can assist a
little bit, what you're looking at is essentially five criteria here. And the question is, has adequate evidence been presented regarding the criteria? And of course, we're in a certain spot. you know this this application is in a certain part of the development pipeline and process
>> which as as you've heard construction so forth does come later a lot of these details and so forth emerge as the project moves forward whatever decision you make today should be solely based on the evidence you've heard and the criteria and so if there's a delay what
I would suggest you do is look at the criteria and evaluate what information is missing um there's a set of five criteria and what you need to have so that perhaps at the next meeting ultimately
if there's not if it can be provided to the board so that there's you can make a decision based on the criteria that may come sooner than later uh then you can proceed with that decision at that time
uh that's what I would suggest >> the five item criterias could you could you go over those five item criterias please >> uh best be if staff presented that to you. >> Oh, those five >> and and what evidence >> and it is listed in your staff report on page >> so that I can modify it to that [snorts]
>> page >> which staff report page 34 hold on >> so the development review committee I'll just read them into the record >> finds that the applicant has demonstrated confident substantial evidence that number one the proposed development and the uses in the
development plan comply with article three zoning districts and article four use regulations. Number two, the development proposed in the development plan in this general layout and design comply with the standards in article 5 development standards in article six environmental standards. Number three,
the development proposed in the development plan complies with all conditions of approval and any development approval or permit to which the plan is subject. Number four, the development is proposed in the development plan complies with all other applicable standards in this land development code and other city
regulations. And number five, if any part of the development plan requires a plat, the plat is approved in accordance with section 252B plat and is a substantial conformance with the development plan. >> So which number of these uh would
coincide with the environmental study? >> That would be article six environmental standards. >> Article six. >> Yes. >> Number Okay. Number two. Okay. So I'll modif So let me I guess I need to modify my motion. So, and just keep in mind as we do this, it has to be competent,
demonstrated, competent, substantial evidence. So, it's I for me, my background is not in environmental standards or anything like that. So, I cannot uh offer competent substantial evidence to say whether they have or have not um
met that article. Uh staff has in some capacity. >> Yes. >> And so, it's not just that we don't prefer it or maybe we don't have it in front of us. It's that has it been reviewed? And once we review it, are we competent and provide substantial
evidence to that? So although we can use that or that I understand where you're going with that, we just need to be mindful that it's not just us saying that as our opinion. It needs to be a an industry professional saying that this doesn't do this or that. So >> again, what this really truly boils down to, are we ready to litigate or not on
this? >> Um, >> because I I I don't know everyone's backgrounds by any means. I can speak to mine. I don't have any competent substantial um experience in this. I'm not a professional in these top five criteria. So, it is a balance. Does the city lack in a lot of infrastructure? Absolutely.
But that's up to us and the development themselves have met from staff's recommendation, professional opinion, have met these these standards. So, I just want to make sure that that's all put together. This boils down to there could be litigation coming from this depending on how we navigate forward.
Not to scare, not to threaten. we've got attorneys. Uh but he is recommending that we handle this very delicately as well so that if this does go to that that he can um him and his team can can back us properly. >> Mr. I'm pretty I'm pretty confident that we,
you know, outside of the study, we all know that traffic's the number one issue in the area. And >> I feel I feel pretty confident behind that that uh that we would have the the backing of the the people that put us on
this das if we took that stance. And I feel pretty confident in my attorney. >> I mean, we certainly pay for the best. >> Well, he just said, "I'll do it." >> Um I'm I'm at that point with it. I mean, I I I took this stance to if not
uh uh reverse some of the sins of the past. I mean, that's what got us here. Um you know, the issues that we're we're we're currently and it's everywhere you go in the city. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, and it all falls back on traffic, >> right? >> So, so kind of what I was getting at is
that and I and I 100% understand that we definitely if all the residents want to slow growth down. However, we still have to make sure that we are not putting more stress on the residents by um costing, you know, taxpayers dollars in litigation when we're not when we are not making proper decisions and following the recommendation of our
attorney. So, in regards to I feel comfortable um with uh and I'll I just modifying my um my original motion is that um we uh de we delay until the beginning of August uh the >> table
>> table >> we table you right wrote table we table the bridge phase three major development plan until we receive um the environment article six environmental standards.
um the reports um that was used that the staff reviewed um where where where they felt that the developers demonstrated um substantial evidence um because we haven't received it yet. So just give us time to receive it.
>> I have a motion looking for a second. >> I'll second by Vice Mayor. All those in favor say I. I >> I >> I second. >> So all oppose? No >> opposed.
>> I'm opposed as well. So that goes uh so it is going to be tabled to August 5th uh to come back up with us to provide the information that was requested in the motion passed by uh motion by Commissioner Anderson, second by Vice Mayor, and um then approved with uh
Commissioner Baron, Commissioner Ruth, and mayor uh in opposition of that. >> Okay. Okay. >> Next up, we have ordinance number 3158, the first reading for the small scale future land use amendment 4410 Chandler Road.
>> Ordinance number 3158. An ordinance of the city of Aapka, Florida, amending the future land use set element of the Yapka comprehensive plan of the city of Apopka. Changing the future land use designation from residential very low suburban to office
for properties located at 1410 Chandler Road and 1420 Chandler Road owned by Richard Chandler comprising 5.12 acres more or less providing for severability conflicts and an effective date. Um the applicant has request the
continuence to of public item number one and number two to the July 15th city commit city commission meetings. >> Okay. Uh >> I thought they were going to be continued. >> They are. So that's what that's what he's just saying to the July 15th both items.
>> Can you just a little louder? [laughter] >> So the recommended motion is to continue the item to July 15th um city commission meeting. And so with that attorney hand do we need to approve this continuation or what does that look like or with with their request does that just
automatically happen? >> It would be best for the commission to take a vote on essentially tableabling the item continuing to that date given that it hasn't been removed from the agenda at this point. >> And should we provide public comment during this time too? >> Yes. >> You don't need to pro you don't need to provide public comment to table the
item. >> Okay. So I will look for a motion to table it uh ordinance number 3158 to July 15th. >> Okay. So moved >> uh moved by uh Commissioner Ruth, seconded by Vice Mayor. All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Uh for ordinance number 3159. >> Okay. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, changing the zoning from RSF-1A residential single family estate to O
office for certain real property generally located at for 4410 Chandler Road and 4420 Chandler Chandler Road owned by Richard Chandler comprising of 5.12 acres more or less providing for severability complex and an effective date.
>> This is the same property for the resoning and recommended motion is same. >> Thank you Dr. Z. I'm looking for a motion to table this item to the July 15th meeting. >> So moved. >> Moved by Vice Mayor. >> A second. >> Second by Commissioner Baron. All those in favor say I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, Dr. Sun. Next up, ordinance number 3165, the annexation of the Baitman properties. Ordinance number 3165, an ordinance of the city of Aapka, Florida to extend its territorial and
municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044, the hereafter described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida, owned by LMB Capital LLC, located on the southeast corner of Plymouth Sarrento Road and
Dowman Drive comprising 4.85 85 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability and an effective date. >> For the record, Bobby How, planning manager. Applicants requesting annexation of 2850 and 2864 Diamond Drive into the corporate litiments of
the city of Apka. The properties are shown on the map. There are three parcels. They're at the corner of Plymouth Srento Road and Dowman Drive. And the total is approximately 4.85 acres. That's the property right there. Across the street is Bridal Path and the Whis I think Whispering Pine
subdivision. The name escapes me. I apologize. Future land use shows the properties are in the county currently a pro and then they have a currently a county rural future land use designation and county A1 citrus rural zoning. Applicant has submitted a companion future land use
map amendment requesting city mixed use that's currently under staff review. If the annexation is proposed, the annexation would be based on the existing county future land use and zoning designations, and those would remain in place until the city commission adopted a future land use and
zoning on the property. The properties are also located within the transition overlay district of the Kelly Park formbbased code area. The district is intended to provide a buffer between the higher density and higher intensity village center area and lower density areas outside the formbbased
code area. It is also characterized by single or use single-use or multi-use office buildings, medium-density residential buildings, and urban single family homes as well as allowing a range of uses potentially including residential office, medical and professional uses, restaurants, child
care facilities, parks and private recreational facilities, assisted living, living works, and certain civic institutional and utility related uses. Any future development would require appropriate future land use zoning and development approvals through the city council. The annexation does not approve
specific development plans or authorizes development of the property. Please note that the JPA between the county and the city does not require the city commission to annex property, nor does state statute. Uh we've laid out the criteria in the staff report for the
annexation and the state does encourage the elimination of enclaves. With that uh the statute uh 171.044 the development review committee on February 18th 2026 recommended approval as it is in compliance with state
statute. The recommended motion this afternoon is accept first reading of ordinance number 3165 and hold it over for second reading and adoption. >> Thank you Mr. Helm. Anybody from the board have any questions of staff? >> So So this is a a county right now. >> It's in the county. Yes, ma'am.
>> So is it an octave because it's in the KPI? It's not an enclave. So everything that you see in white is county. If it was an enclave, it would be surrounded by stuff in color, which the color is city. >> Any other questions?
>> I I had a question for the uh just for the applicant. The potential >> Hi, I'm Denny Chiver. I'm the realtor representing the owner with the annexation. I've also helped annex the other two parcels to the south, the
other two 4.85s. So, this is the last of the three parcels that we're trying to get into the city. >> We don't have anything on the table right now in development. Uh we have ongoing talks with different developers, but nothing is on the table.
>> Okay. So, that was my question for staff. So, you guys don't know what the >> correct. It'll have to come back before board or whoever. But you guys do know you want to be in the city, but you don't know what you're going to do with the >> Correct. We don't Right. There's no >> Okay. >> Right. We don't know.
>> Okay. So, yeah. So, I I just won't be comfortable approving any type of annexation, especially without knowing what the impact will have on the on our city residents. >> Okay. Any other questions? >> Commissioner, anything? >> Um, all right. I will open up to public comment. Anybody from the public wish to
speak on this matter? Uh, I will close public comment then. Um, any other final comments from staff? Anything up here? >> No. >> All right. I'll look for a motion uh for ordinance number 3165. >> I move to deny the approval of the
annexation for Batman properties. >> Uh, okay. I've got a motion to deny. >> So moved. >> I got a second by Vice Mayor. Moved by Commissioner Anderson, second by Vice Mayor. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> All oppose.
>> No. Okay. So, it's uh that denial moves uh four to one uh with Commissioner Ruth in opposition. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. We are on to commission reports. Uh what I do want to I I've been meaning to so there's no surprises
moving forward. Uh input. Okay. Kind of the order that we're going to be doing. Everybody should no surprise which way we go. It didn't get in this time. I apologize for that. >> No, it's in there. >> But I've been trying to rotate them properly. >> No, you it's in there. >> Is it? >> Yes. >> Oh, it wasn't long enough. Okay. >> It's in there. >> Okay. I did it right. [laughter]
So, we're starting with Commissioner Baron. >> I don't have it on my copy, but I'm glad. >> I didn't have it on mine yet. >> That's all right. Um, [laughter] so it was wonderful to be able to celebrate uh our country's 250th
uh anniversary. So, um it was a great event brought by the Apopka Museum. So, wonderful to be able to participate. Um [clears throat] I my family and I will be participating in the 50 day 15 days um uh to give
back. So we will be see serving station 4 on July 3rd and the station five on July 4th. Um so we'll be uh providing meals for them. Uh my husband and I will be doing the 2650 on July 11th. So I
just have to say that I do not like burpees and Mr. Andrew is still in here, [laughter] but I'm still going to do them. I don't like them, but I'm still going to do them. Um, and so we'll also participate in the 5K run uh the following day just to be able to tr um to provide a tribute
to Austin and and those that have uh sacrificed so much for for our country for our not just our country, our city um as well. So um yeah, and that's really all I have. Um, but I'm I'm
looking forward to it. >> Awesome. Thank you, Commissioner Ruth. I just want to echo everything she said. The u the the 250 the presentation we got before the the council meeting was fantastic. I I loved everything about it
and I just I just can't be prouder. You know, I'm I'm glad we're all here. >> Awesome. Anything else? That's it. >> Thank you, Commissioner Vice Mayor. Well, the Junat parade. Um, initially I had said I wasn't going to be in the parade. Um, but I wasn't.
>> And you popped up. You popped up. >> Yeah, I did. [laughter] I did. I said I was going to go greet everyone and say hello to everyone, which I did. [laughter] >> Um, but at the end, uh, you know, Sergeant uh, McDonald uh, kind of offered me to ride with him because he was the closure. So, I got to
go into the parade rout that for a while. So, I appreciate that that opportunity. I I ended up being in the parade. [laughter] So, excellent. >> And then, of course, on your behalf, I went to the ribbon cutting for Slayetics. >> Thank you for that.
>> And uh then I also went uh to the basketball camp over at um 110. Uh I call it Coopertown. Um I went there. Um basically just kind of just, you know, supporting our community events that are are here. And then of course we have the
Fourth of July coming up. And I just want to thank uh the president Marabel Brinkley or Brinkle. I keep saying Brinkley. She always corrects me with that. Uh Brinkle uh for you know organizing the 250th uh celebration for America here. I
thought it was a a great presentation and uh it's online so we can share that with our public. And basically that's it. Happy 4th of July and and of course uh to honor our uh beloved uh Austin Durant. I went yesterday and paid my
respects at the little memorial that we have for him over here and it's been a permanent memorial and I hope that someday even under your leadership that we can make it sort of a permanent place. Uh right now it's all of us kind of contributing to it. Uh but I think
there's something that uh it's in its fourth year. I think we should move forward and make something permanent and and something that, you know, we can have as we did with uh September 11th by having a memorial there that is open to the public that we have something for
Austin Duran there in that area. So, it's something you can all work on. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Commissioner Anderson. >> Yes. So I want to actually just thank um the co-founders of and give me one second of the time to
train athletics foundation. >> They you're welcome. Uh I know commission the vice mayor and I both attended the clinic that was this Sunday. Uh they are doing a phenomenal job with the youth. It's a free clinic. So, if you know anyone that is interested in any type of basketball
development, u what I'll do is I'll send it to our um entrance uh Redley and he probably can get that out to the commissioners and they can probably anyone to participate in that program. Really great program. It was a great turnout. Probably how many kids? Probably over. They had um they had four different courts. They had the little
ones. The little ones are so cute. cute. >> Um, and then they had like 7 to 11 and then they had uh I think it was 13 to 17. >> Um, so there was a lot of conditioning and then there was actual games and they had it was really a lot of fun to watch
them. Um, it it was two and a half hours long. Nice >> and uh they really worked those those I was tired just watching them but they did it was a very good uh basketball. Thank you guys for actually bringing that program to Apakka. In addition to
that, um Uny Foundation um is hosting their first invest in their future. It is a al featured um builder certificate program. And what it does is um for ages, it's a four-week program starting July 7th every Tuesday and Thursday from
10:00 a.m. to 12:00. Um it will be provided, the venue was provided by our former commissioner, Alexander Smith. So, thank you, pastor, for opening up your your congregation uh for the community. And also, of course, it was a partnership with um the city of Apapa, Commissioner Anderson, and myself. And
it's a four-week program. Um they will also receive a certificate at the end of that program. So, um I'll also um space is limited. Um we'll also be providing u morning and afternoon snacks as well. So, I will get that information over to Ratley so we can get out to the community. So, it's a really really good
program. And >> this is a it's a new program. It's they just started. It's called the It's the Onyx Foundation program. >> Okay. >> So, >> awesome. >> It's for middle school and high school students and it's free to the community. >> Okay. >> And um happy 4th of July and
>> yeah, that's it. >> Awesome. Thank you. Uh we do not have Mr. Williams in attendance. So, uh city attorney, anything for us? >> Uh nothing to report this evening, Mayor. Of course, we just want to wish uh the best to Mr. Williams and uh it's very exciting news. Other than that, nothing else.
>> Excellent. Thank you, Attorney Hand. Uh, a couple quick small updates and one small disc discussion item. Um, just an update. I've been meeting with employees one-on-one down at public services. Uh, just 15 minute kind of intervals just kind of see how I can improve quality of life. Some some overarching themes that
maybe I'm hearing from each uh employee over and over that is helpful to kind of see what uh what we may need to change. So, I'll be able to once I finish those kind of bring some feedback to everybody and just say, "Hey, here's here's what we're seeing." and and what I tell every uh employee as well that I'm meeting with is that department heads are doing great advocating. It's just that kind of
smaller quality of life stuff that maybe we can change on our level that can impact the employees in a positive way. Again, department head is doing great. It's just hey, if we can make it even better, that's great. Obviously, we have the 15 days of hope coming up. Excited for that. Um it was uh very timely that we um and I appreciate the commission
for approving the surplus of the sand trailer which was uh approved uh to be surplused and then it was um cut apart yesterday morning which is very nice to see just to be done with that. Uh we do have next uh Wednesday July 8th we have
our budget presentation. Uh keep in mind it's going to be higher level. It's going to be sp mostly where the budget was when it was first presented, what was taken out, and kind of what our revenues look like. And then we can decide from there, hey, throw that back in or hey, we need to take more. So, we're going to be able to look at that.
It's going to be higher level as well. If you have concerns or want to dig into the line items, we're not going to be going over that July 8th, but feel free to meet with staff. If you have a department level concerns or anything like that, please meet with them to go line by line. Um, they'd be happy to do that. We have uh no workshops. are kind
of our our premeating workshops for July 15th and September 16th due to budget >> uh workshops kind of being required before then. I'm happy to move around. We can do a separate day for those uh if we want to if you're interested. If not, we can pick it back up in October. So,
open of feedback there if we want to do it. If not, we'll just delay till October. >> Yeah. >> Budget first. >> Yeah, it is. We got a It's a lot. >> All right. Well, then other than that, please have a safe weekend. And I am 7
minutes under two hours. So, did it again. Thank you everyone.