--------- to order a July 16th development review committee. We'll start with roll call. Community development is present. Police Mike McKinley public works Daniel Smith fire Jeremy Holderfield and building is not present. Uh we have
two special events this morning. First one is the Al Pakka Altoont Springs VFW tribute to Mottown dinner. All right. The VFW is looking to host a um dinner and show at the community center on August 16th um from 5:00 p.m.
to 9:00 p.m. That is a Saturday. It is a dinner and live music fundraiser. Um they're expecting 275 people. There will be alcohol, so they will be hiring off duty. Their setup is very small. tables, chairs, and a small stage production for
the band. Um, they will be using the building parking and the fifth street parking lot for overflow. Any questions in regards to this hearing? None. Community development has nothing further, please. I don't have anything. Thank you.
Public works. I don't have anything. And fire. No comments. Thank you. Thank you. Next one. Duterman Productions country concert. Dudman Productions is looking to host a country show at the Popka Amphitheater on Friday, October 17th from 6 PM to 10
p.m. Um, and they'll have about 1,200 people. There will be hiring off duty as well as a private security company. Their setup will include stage production, um, merchandise tents, food and beverage concessions, and they'll probably have like 10 x 10 tents, but
nothing larger. Um, there will be alcohol and parking will be located on at gate 5. barbecue row will have our um parking contract to help with assist parking people and eress and they will also be using the surrounding paid parking areas.
Any questions hearing none community development has nothing further police? I don't have anything. Thank you. Public works. I don't have anything. Fire. And we will get updated on ticket sales in case we do go over the,200. Correct. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Next item on the agenda is Onich North PD resoning master plan. Jean Sanchez is project manager. Good morning everybody. This is the resoning for And North from county rural
to city plan development. It's a proposal to um develop 196 acres of property into a subdivision and a residential subdivision that if we can get
the 1828 plans are always so finicky. Um they're from 1828. Well, um I I mean I'm sorry you can't see their master plan right now. It's actually a proposal of a cluster
development which is one of the very few if we have any here in the city that we have. I think that uh the engineers did a fantastic job with it. This was recently um annexed into the city. You all have seen the future land use
amendment and the designation is really from county rural to residential estates and this PD if you look at our current comp plan you almost have to do a plan development for
that future land use designation. So staff has worked with um the applicant pretty diligently with their site design plans. We just have some it's a lot of housekeeping comments on here mainly because I couldn't locate
I don't think I saw a proposed plan development agreement. Um but as you can see they have this clustered site design that preserves a whole lot of um green areas and um will not be removing as
many trees as we as we initially thought. So, um, I don't have any other questions apart from the questions I have posted on here. I know we've had a little bit of a discussion about photometrics plan, but that is also being
coordinated with a third party, Duke Energy. So, um, I don't really have any other comments. I'll defer my time to the applicant and the applicants in attendance. Any questions or comments? Luke class in 1828 engineering with the
funky plans. Um the I don't have any questions or comments. You know we got the questions from or comments from community development. We'll be able to address everything. Nothing stood out to us that was of any concern. I know that Dale I talked to Vlad. He said that some of the review comments may come later on
uh more the MDP stage versus the the master plan stage. But we welcome any comments if you have them. Yeah, we always work through the engineering issues. Okay. Any questions for the applicant? I don't know if you can answer this or not, Luke. Um, with your development,
Onage North, Onage South, and the development off Kelly Park Road that goes all the way through to uh have any of the traffic studies looked at and Plymouth Renault and the effect of that intersection? I know all these developments. I know each one of the the traffic
reports incorporates all the other developments. So like the Andage North one or Andage South didn't include Andage North because it was before Andage North, but it did include the crossroads, the incre the increased capacity of Kelly Park for the Kelly Park, the triparty agreement with Kelly Park Road and then the Onage North
traffic port does include Onage South Crossroads um and a future hospital development off of Effie. But did it look at the intersection of Onage and Plymouth Renault and the impact to that intersection and how dangerous it may become with all that traffic? Uh because there's only stop signs there. I'll have to double check about onage
and plum rental. I know it did onage and Effie and then Effie and Kelly Park. I don't know about Onage and Plymouth Rent. Let me check with that. I think Reason would tell us that Onage North and Onage South, they're going to exit to Hondage and Plymouth Renault. They're not going to go down Effie to
Kelly Park. I don't know. I think especially on South I think would almost no one will go down on because that's the opposite way. Everyone wants to get down to Kelly Park to go to 429 and that kind of corridor. I don't think many people are going north. The speed limit and flow of traffic is
going to be much faster on Plymouth Rena than it is on Effie. On Effie? Yeah. And people take the path of least resistance. So I'm just curious as to what you know I know they're both county roads and we don't have a lot of control over but it seems to me like this intersection may become a concern with all this development going on there.
Okay. I know. I know. Like I said, I know that Effie and um And were incorporated as well as Effie and Plymouth rental, but I don't know about I I can go back and I'll work with Bill who I'm so glad the city just hired, but we can work with them on making sure that traffic report did cover that. I
don't know if they did or not, but I can double check that. All right. Thank you. Any additional questions for the applicant? All right. Hearing none. Community development has nothing further but the comments that were generated. Please, I don't have anything else. Thank you. Public works.
Don't have anything. And fired. No comments. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay. I believe that same applicant has the next project, Pali Master Plan. I'm the project manager on this one. It is a planned unit development proposal uh
located near Punkin Road and Vic Roads. Uh primarily residential development that is proposed on the property. The applicant did receive comments from the development review committee. Um, is there anything you would like to discuss in regards to the comments?
I did I did not get as a PowerPoint from you guys. Uh, Elisa S uh with Shen Bowen. Um, I believe that we had spoken. Do you want to go through each of the comments? you can we're happy to either do that or we can
do that in connection with um a sit down because we understand that we'll be coming back right um to provide that. So yeah. Yeah. So I mean if there are comments that you feel that are pertinent to discuss this morning we can uh I know that the amount of comments that were generated were extensive so it probably
necessitate a meeting to discuss that. Um, but why don't we hear from the development review committee members and see if they have any questions or concerns before we move forward. So, are there any questions or concerns on this? First off, I want to uh thank you and and Luke, I know that you are working
diligently and trying to work with us on Pon Road, but I am going to express my concerns as how how far along this development gets before there is a solution to the road. And I appreciate you offering to take us to your next county meeting so we can express our concerns. I expressed my concerns with
Bill so that he our transportation coordinator so he understood them and maybe he can go with us to the next meeting but um we'd like to have a meeting with the county to see what we need to do about this road to ensure that our community is safe and I don't know how far along this development gets before we know what's going to happen
with that road. Understood. Thank you. Um public works require any questions? I understand I think y'all have been working with Vlad about some of the open spaces. So we look forward to working with you on that. Okay.
Fire. Do you have any questions or comments? I agree with Chief McKinley on this. I think we need to get an answer on the roadways just to makes a little more comfortable the whole about the whole process and just going on. So Okay. All right. Um you have anything to add?
We are scheduling a meeting with Orange County uh not next week, the week after. And so we should have that date hopefully today or tomorrow and we'll be able to provide that to to you and both and to Bill and be able to coordinate um that next step for Ponam Road. Okay. And again, I appreciate your cooperation, but we've got to get this
resolved. It's a very big concern across our community and and rightfully so. Um you know, and we've looked at their plans and your plans and there has to be some kind of solution here. Yeah. So, we we'll be able to have some kind of answers or some more coordination at least before we
resubmit. Have you let them know we'd like to come? Yeah. Uh, we told them that and so they they're aware that they're trying to schedule the meeting. I we should get an answer hopefully today. Okay. Thank you. All right. So, it sounds like the consensus is we got some work to do on this one. Um, we have comments that were
generated. They'll be resubmitted uh some meetings to go over some of their comments as they were very extensive on this. So, community development has nothing further other than the comments that were generated. Police. Anything additional? Anything else? Thank you. Public works. Nothing extra. And fire. No other comments. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you very much. The next item on the agenda is get the agenda. Popka single family construction site plan. Second submittal in June Song is the project manager.
Good morning. Um this is a second submitt of the CSP requesting revision to the previously approved CSP for a development consisting of seven single family detached units within mixed use downtown area. The subject properties
are located in two 220 South Highland Avenue. Future land use is mixed use. Zoning is mixed use downtown. Is applicant available for any comments? All right. Napkin is here in attendance for any questions or comments from the
DRC. Hi, um this is Maria representing the shimid engineering. Um we received the comments from planning and storm water. We are already already addressing them. Um I do have one question regarding one
of them. I don't know if you guys can answer it. Otherwise, I think we're good. Can I Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Um it is regarding the common need a design on the wall around the pond. Um this design
is like a decorative wall what you guys are asking for or like the calculations of the wall per se. We're asking for the calculations of the wall. It's a rather deep pond right next to an alley. Awesome. So it needs to be a good structural design. It's not a decorative wall.
Okay. Yeah. Well, that's what I thought. But then like since it wasn't like worded like that, it was just like just in case. Okay, perfect. I don't have any other questions. All right, any additional questions for the applicant? I brought this up a long time ago and I haven't brought it up lately. I
apologize. The alleyway that runs between the sections of homes here. How far is the pavement going to go? Is it going to stop at the back of those first row of houses on Highland or is it going to go all the way down past that
um pond? My concern is is when we have alleyways like that that just dead end, they become dumping grounds for everybody's garbage. Um if we create a little nice path for them to um travel down, then they think it's a nice place to dump
their tires, their garbage, yard waste, and everything else. Totally. I've seen it myself. Yeah, it's true. Um and I don't know what the city's requirement is for how long that has to be paved. So I just don't see it on the plans like
showing as an improvement and is unless you're Yeah. Is there a city requirement that it has to go past that first set of property lines uh all the way along the pond or can it stop there so that people can't
drive down a field and just dump all their garbage? because we are proposing this drainage structure on that alley and I will think that we in order to do it will we will improve that but I don't see on our
plans it is out of our property line yeah exactly as you see there so I I can see on the plans that stand and I think if you need it we can show it how and I will think it will if it's if any will
it will it will end at the corner of the property which is down by the pond or Yes, down by the pond like all the way from the entrance to down by the pond. Yeah, because you notice that we're not
proping proposing any grades on the alley or anything. So So the alley is going to be paved. It's actually going to be a crushed concrete. It's not going to be paved. And I looked at it just as a paving repair, you know, over the storm
drainage that's going down to the end of the alley. And I guess, you know, what we could require is, you know, some of those nice diamond shaped, you know, reflector signs to sort of block the alley if you don't want anybody to go any further. I'd like us to do something because it
just the the north side of the property or the north side of the pond on the other side of the um right alleyway is prime dumping for garbage. doesn't make your complex look good, doesn't make the city look good, and we all know when you have little opportunities like that, they're going to take full advantage of
it. And that just creates more work for the police department and code enforcement. So, why don't we add those three diamond signs and really at the entrance of the alley, just put a dead end sign just to keep curious people from riding down because, you know, it's not paved now and people like to ride.
No. Yep, that makes sense. Okay. Thank you. No, of course. Anything additional for the applicant? All right. Hearing none, community development has nothing further. Police. I don't have anything else. Thank you. Public works. Just address all comments.
All right. And fired. No comments. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. The next item on the agenda is Chandler Oak construction site plan third middle. I'm the project manager. Uh the applicant is here in attendance. you received comments from the DRC
and as typical I can't get the plan to load but we'll have to use our imaginations until I can get it to work. Um planning had no additional comments on this one. Um I believe the outstanding issues might have been with public works on
this. So Brian uh you'd like to address the DRC and I'll try and get the plan to load. It's all good. Brian Ashby, Kimley War and Associates. Um, yeah, I think uh there were only two outstanding comments. Uh, one was a
repeat comment, I believe, from from fire about the fire truck size that that was updated the the dimension of the truck. We were 1/100th off on the last submitt. We updated that and reran the auto turn. So, um, that that has been
addressed. Um and then the only other one was we received a new comment from um from public services um related to it was a comment specifically about uh solid waste pickup on the uh one-way
alleys. Um and so the alleys that we're showing uh are meet the the minimum dimensions required by by code. Um actually it's a little bit more than than code. Um they're 18 feet wide. Um, and this is kind of a new comment for
us. So, just kind of want wanting to understand if this is a comment that we're looking to be addressed or if it's more of anformational comment or it needs to be addressed because I didn't realize we were doing this until I reviewed one of the other subdivisions that's allowed these one-way alleys. And
now we're requiring because the uh sanitation trucks use the arms to unload them. We're requiring that sanitation truck to go against the flow of traffic against your alley, which opens the city up to liability. Okay. So, this I guess we're we're
meeting city code requirements for the alley. So, h how how would you like for us to to proceed? And I've talked to our sanitation division. The trucks need to have the garbage cans on their right side. So with some of these alleys that you only
have town homes on one side, you can reverse the flow and make sure that the garbage truck and the cans are on the right, you know, the right side. Some of them you've got them, you know, there's nobody putting out garbage cans on the alleys that have houses on both sides.
We may require that the garbage cans go just on the right side because as the chief has pointed out, if he turns around and comes back the other way, he's violating the law. people are backing out of their driveways. They're not expecting to see somebody come from that direction. So, a nice possibility.
So, there's there's two solutions. When you look at it, make sure that as you select your one way that the houses are on the right and you're moving in that direction so the garbage truck can pick up those and on the two-way alleys in the HOA documents. Yeah. And I know
that's going to irritate the people who live on the side that has the two cans, but it's the only way that we can do it safely. Yes, sir. Yeah, that was going to be something that that I would want to discuss with y'all if it could be something that could be an HOA requirement um in those areas. Well, and the two-way alleys, that can
be an HOA requirements. On the ones that are just one ways, you just need to change the you the signing on your plans because you do show directional errors. Yeah, they're they're all one ways. Uh they need some of them need to change the direction of the oneway so the cans are on the correct side.
Understood. Yes, sir. Understood. So, um if if they are if just wanted just want to clarify before I go back and talk to the the owners, um uh reverse the flow if needed of traffic and then the have the HOA documents require that all all
trash receptacles be on the right hand side of the alley or in the direction of the flow on the right hand side of the alley. That's correct. Okay. Yeah, I don't think that's a problem. There needs to be some kind of notification to them. Um and I'm sure after the first week they don't get the garbage can. Exactly. On the left side, they'll start pulling.
You'll learn very fast sooner or later. But I'm going to ask a question and show my ignorance as far as traffic goes. But if the roads are 18 foot, what is the what is the width it needs to be to be two-way? Uh minimum of 20 and preferably 24.
So it's wider than a you know single lane. I know he meets the land development code, but to me, I think this is something that we need to address on land development code so that we don't run into this issue and make sure these alleyways are two-way flowing two ways.
Yeah, we were matching most of the other developments around us when we put the major development plan together, you know. No, and I get it. I, you know, I'm not an engineer. I don't know how to read plans, but when I go out and look at these subdivisions are being built and then I turn the wrong way down an alley and go, "Wait a minute." Yeah. I didn't
realize we were allowing one-way traffic. That now creates some issues and potential liability for the city. Now, their their plans basically have enough signing to show do not enter one way. So, they're at least signed, but we know how well people sometimes, you know, follow the Oh, yeah. There's no doubt in my mind
they're not going to pay attention if if their house is on the corner. They're not going all the way down the street and around the block to get to their house on the corner. They're going against the flow of traffic. It's human nature. People will do whatever they want to do. Amen. I know. That's why I says don't
can't stop everything, even stop signs. Thank you. Um and other than that, I think those are the only two um outstanding comments which hopefully fire um were able to if if if you don't mind just maybe taking another look at the at the plan. We we
did make that adjustment to the fire truck. Okay. Yes, sir. Thank you. Um, and then yeah, we'll we'll go back and take a a second look at the um the directionals and then uh talk to the talk to the owners about updating the HOA docs for
the uh for the right-hand side trash pickup. So, other than that, I I don't believe there were any outstanding comments I think um from engineering or do are we waiting on do we know if we're waiting on any additional comments for any any other departments? Believe did public works turn in the
comments yet? uh they addressed all the comments from the previous submitt. Okay. But there's a couple of issues that I've looked at and unfortunately being the first time that I've looked at the plans and they were reviewed before, but you know on your entrance road you've got you know about a 10 or 12 foot drop off
with your double walls and I realize you've got you know standard high curb. Yeah. I really think if I was the designer of the project I would put some guard rail. We have guardrail there. No, you have a handrail. No, we we if you look on the plans, we do um Did I Did I miss that? So, we don't we
don't need to, you know, there's guardrail in multiple locations along the uh that road and then along one of our alleyways as well. Yes, sir. And then the only other concern that I had is you're you're discharging off site and Florida common law says that you
have the right to as long as you do it responsibly. And that responsibly is you don't change the point of discharge or the velocity. And I think your discharge structure has done that. And you know, and I think you may have lost your right to a downstream easement
because before you had sheep flow and a you know that was you and and you've got to admit that that spillway is a lot more than cheap flow. I did make a comment on it because all the engineering has been approved. But I'd just like to make the comment to you as the engineer that in Florida the downstream owner
must accept water from the upstream owner. Absolutely. As long as it doesn't change in velocity or the point of discharge and if you're comfortable with that, you know, I just don't think the spillway is the same velocity as what was going overland onto their property. Um, we we have looked at that. That's
why we made the spill I mean I could have made the spillway about 5 feet wide just because the total volume that's actually leaving the site is is we're holding back a lot and so we actually sized that to meat velocity um because the landware that's out there today is very similar in size um and so that's
why that's why we did that. I mean we'll we'll take another look. We we we're supposed to be getting our last round of St. John's comments or approval here in the next week. Um I believe they'll be looking at the same thing. Rick's Rick Sected over there at at St. John's. Um, but yes, I I we feel comfortable with
with it uh with the location. Um, it's it was picked for that exact reason. Um, but I mean, we'll we'll go back and certainly take another look at it. I mean, and most of the time in situations like this, you end up with some sort of, you know, fairly long spreader swale to truly turn it sheep flow.
So, I just want to, you know, the everything else was approved. I'm not going to go back and have you recreate the bill, but I just really want wanted to let you know that that's sort of my interpretation of state common law and Yeah. Yes, sir. Okay. We will definitely go back and I'll I'll go back and
specifically look at velocity calcs that we did for that and and double check and then our point of discharge as well. Um, but I do know we're significantly reducing the flow and the the rate. So, talk to you about that outside of the meeting then. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And did you submit your velocity? You
see, you normally don't submit a velocity. No, no, no, no. It's just the weir equation. Just the weird, just the weir equation and looking at the velocity from that. But how did you do the pre-development velocity? Oh, no. It when I say velocity, I'm looking at pre-post discharge. So, cubic
cubic feet per second. Great. Okay. That's not a And you notice the state law and which is really strange doesn't speak to discharge. It speaks to velocity. Yes, sir. And we have a ton of bank and shore rip wrap there as well to dissipate the energy to reduce that
velocity. But yeah, I mean I'd love to talk with you after after the meeting. Absolutely. That'd be great. Yeah. Yes, sir. Anything additional for the applicant? All right. Hearing none, community development has nothing further. Uh police I don't have anything else. Thank you.
Public works absent. All right. And fire. No comments. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Brian. We'll see you. Okay. Next item is a discussion item that is presented by uh recreation. It's car and jeep show just from just like mama's
soul food and wings. So down this event um went to DRC last week and was requested with some additional comments and updates on the layout. Um to recap, this is just like mama's soul food and wings. They're looking to do a car and Jeep show on Saturday, August
2nd from 2:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on the fifth on Fifth Street. They're expecting about 200 attendees. Um the updates that we have are there will be no admission fee or entry fee into the event, so it'll be a free event. They're working
on taking down their advertising from it previously being a um admission fee event. Um, we will also we have also updated the layout and it'll be just like the market on Fifth Street with an open lane in the middle of Fifth Street for emergency vehicles to pass if they
need to. Um, they will be able attendees will be able to enter from um the South Park Avenue behind on the side of the um parking lot and enter the parking lot through the back of the um Fifth Street parking lot.
Um, this is set up just like the market on Fifth Street and the applicant is here for any questions. All right. Does the applicant have any items they wish to address before the DRC, the development review committee? Yeah. If if you do, could you please come to
the mic so we can get it on the record? Bobby, can you move the uh map up a little bit? Thank you. Um, I don't have anything. I just was I just wanted to to reiterate that we were not charging originally. Um my sister
does car shows and she just had the biggest one in central Florida on the fourth uh weekend, but um the setup was different. So, but we she came the other day and seemed that it would be probably impossible to
do it um to to to charge. So, we took that off um the thing. And um we do still have flyers up that's showing um entry fee, but it's $85 per flyer if we
fix it. So we're not charging. So Okay. Any questions for the applicant? Any additional? Are we um and thank you for that because it was going to be near impossible because there are open businesses there that you know you'd have to differenti
even your own business. Yeah. If somebody wants to go visit your business versus the car show, how are you gonna Right. And vendors and vendors. So we we we just Yeah. Are we parking any of the event in the parking lot? Are we on the street only?
We're on the street only. Um Lex, that's you. You Lexi? I never I just heard on the phone but um I had asked her about the parking lot said that it was unavailable just for attendees only but um I'm not sure we're
at this time not sure how many cars we're going to have and I know we can't put vendors out there so I I don't know what's your what's your thoughts about that? Well, in the past, we've restricted the market to only the center aisle. Um, okay.
And that's that's it. Uh, when they first open because the fire department needs ingress and egress from the first row and the one over by halls on Fifth Street. Okay. Because they can't make that turn behind the uh feed store. Gotcha. So, we can move the patrol car so they
can get in there. Um, but the biggest thing is is obviously that parking lot provides access to the customers for all the businesses to include yours too. So the more you limit that, I think you're going to have to get the buy in from the businesses to make sure they know that you're going to limit u a certain
section that center row or whatever um with cars which will limit their ability to park there. Do we have an event at the VFW? The permit and what we've been through is they don't the in the parking lot has to stay on the
street. So, but when the market first started, they were just in that center until they grew and then they grew out to the street as they continue to grow out. So, um but um there is no event at the VFW.
So, there will be parking available at the VFW if attendees for the restaurants or the event needed that also. Okay. I just want to make sure there's enough parking for everybody to and get along and obviously you have the grass parking lot uh across central from
the VFW that's used for large events too. Um so if you have anybody that's helping and traffic becomes or parking becomes an issue, you might have somebody try to direct attendees over to that grass lot. Okay. Okay. Thank you for all your cooperation. I appreciate you.
Okay. Uh hearing nothing else. Community development has no further comments. Police I don't have anything else. Thank you. Public works, no comments. And fire, no comments. Thank you. All right. It's my understanding that this will be presented to city council tonight. Correct. Okay. All right. Actually, what was the date
and time of that? August 2nd. August 2nd. All right. Any additional items for discussion? Just like to introduce our new transportation coordinator, Bill Wharton. He's here and uh he will be invaluable to us. So, with that, we are
journ real quick. I'm sorry. Um, does transportation or public works think we need to address this oneway alley issue or are we good with it? And if we aren't good with it, who takes the lead on changing the land development code to stop these one-way alleys and
make them two-way? I mean, we're talking two feet, right, that they need to add to the roadway. Well, and I'm not sure, and we'd have probably have to talk to the developers, you know, I'm sure there's a reason why they want one-way alleys because they don't really need it for you,
transportation, but you know, yeah, if it's from a, you know, safety standpoint, that would be one thing. You know, we were looking at it, you know, really strictly from a public works and and, you know, a sanitation, you know, picking up the garbage. and Vlad and I have been talking about changes to the
land development code, you know, and to the Munich code, and he's tasked me with starting to gather the stuff up. So, I was going to at least address it from a sanitation standpoint to where any one-way alley, the housing would have to be on the right, and if there's housing
on both sides, it would have to be addressed in the CDD. That, you know, same thing that we just said. So that's, you know, sort of the language that we will put in the next revision of the Munich code or the land development code. And I was told because the comp plan is just about ready to be approved
that right after that comes the changes to the land development code. So you know, we are working on that. So if y'all need it from a fire safety or we can go against a flow of traffic. Florida statutes allows us that opportunity. Uh, I'm concerned about opening up the city to liability with
the garbage trucks or other work trucks going down these one-way alleys to perform work and somebody backing into them or uh people parking in places they're not supposed to, which they tend to do all the time. And, you know, I'm just trying to relieve a make it easier for your drivers of these big garbage
trucks to traverse down these alleyways. Uh, you know, because we've made it where they have to have lighting and you know, all the homes have to face a name street now. They can't face an alley like we started that development process here in the city of Popkin. We got rid of that where the homes have to face a
name street. The alleys have to have on street lighting for safety for the residents. But now we have run into this other thing. Uh and with all due respect to the developers, it's not driven by them. It's driven by what our needs are. um they can, you know, I'm sure they're
doing this because it cuts two feet and two feet might add the ability to have more houses, but when it comes to liability and opportunity for the city and safety of our uh employees, they can cut a couple houses out if they have to. And I and I you probably talk to a
planner and find this out, but I think some of the original reasons for, you know, the garages and the parking in the back was to push the houses closer to the front because everybody wants these nice walkable communities. You know, there are some of them that, you know, make sure that they have front porches as though people in Florida are going to
sit out in the 95 degree weather on their front porch and talk to their neighbors, right? And I'm not opposed to the rear loaded product. It it has just come with some unintended consequences. and that we've had to address is is you drive around because you know again I don't understand all the development
plans that come before us but then when I start driving around the subdivision I go what in the world did we do here um it it becomes you know non-conducive in things that come up and we just need to correct them as they come up and if you hadn't brought it up at the last DRC first thing I did is I went
back and talked to Joshua and said how much of a problem is this and he went back and looked at golden gem and this one and he said this is a problem. He talked about possibly having to get a smaller garbage truck, hire more crews, and then he
said, "And then what do you do? Do you spread that cost over every citizen, or does that subdivision go from the $20 a month to 50 or $75 a month and that's something that it wouldn't work very well." So, no, because So, it's a
problem. And we really because like I said we hadn't thought about it because yeah I hate to say it sometimes civil engineers we just look down so hard at the hard stuff you know every now and again we need to pick up our heads and you know right no and there's there's sometimes just like I said unintended consequences that we have to address and I don't
think that our community those buying the homes or our existing residents should be encumbered to buy new garbage trucks because developers want to create oneway alleys. We can stop that by making two-way alleys if we have to in the land development code and address this issue if that's in the best interest of the city and the residents
that are going to live there. So, so because it's two different groups here, is that something that planning ought to take the lead on and sort of schedule a meeting and let's We should all probably have a sit down. You are right. Um, Mr. Smith, we transmitted the comprehensive plan to
the state. So, once we get that back, it'll be scheduled for an adoption hearing before the city council. After that, then we would start the land development code rewrite, but in the meantime, we could do what had been termed glitch amendments in the past to kind of address this issue. So, we could
all have a a meeting like a staff meeting to talk about that and then bring it forward if that's something that we feel needs to be done. Uh there are a couple other things that need to be put in the code such as cladding. Uh cladding is now per the state legislature administrative approvals. It
doesn't go to planning commission or city council anymore. Uh so we'll have to put something in the land development code about that in regards to the that and then the city council will adopt a resolution on that as well. And there's some other uh things from the legislature that has been carried down that we'll probably have to put into the
under the code as well. Good. And my concern is we just don't want to create an environment for our sanitation employees that makes their job tougher than what it already is because I sure wouldn't want to drive that garbage truck around a pop can pick up all these garbage cans. if we're doing something or allowing something
that makes their job harder. So, I'd really like to know what do those out in the field feel, you know, because they're the ones that are affected by this, not us. And and that's why, you know, like I said, the first thing I did, I was glad that you brought it up. Had never thought about it in the past. Talked to Joshua. He said, "Well, on these we can
sort of work out a solution." and uh and if you know and I guess if planning could take the lead on getting a meeting with you know police, fire and you know public services and we'll bring Joshua there and let's let's you know work out
what we think is in the best interest of the city and then we can you start applying that as a oneoff until we can change the code. All right. Anything additional? All right. We are adjourned. Part: 2
Okay, Commissioner Nesta. Well, I'll definitely review it. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. was today. Yeah. Call the July 16th city council meeting
to order. Need to read the decorum statement. Decorum statement says, "Welcome to the public meeting of the city council of the city of Apopka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent. The city council permits and encourages input and comments by members of the public on all matters
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warning, including warning for trespass. If violations persist after such warnings, violators may be removed from the council chambers. And with that, Susan, public comment. Nikki Maguire. Nikki Magcguire, Naomi Kids. Good
evening, commissioners, mayor, everyone in their rightful place. Just want to um first of all thank the community, those who have shown support. As many of you know, Naomi Kids has been in the community going on this year marks 11
years. This year, we have reached out and we are still reaching out to raise funds for July 26 to give to do a back to school clothes shopping, not school supplies shopping at Ross for the kids.
So, the kids will go and um do their shopping. They will pick the clothes they need for back to school and then we will pay. So, we're still reaching out to the community for gift cards for Ross stores. As of right now, thank you to
those who have contributed. We have met 10 kids. Our goal was 25 kids. Right now, we are at 10 kids. So please note if anybody is interested you can call Naomi kids at 4078835585 or you can stop by at 743 South Central
Avenue um between 7 and 8 Street here in Apopka. We are there from roughly 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. Thank you. Have a great day. Any more
Leroy Bell? Uh I on the last meeting night uh the minutes was taken down and uh they were just changed before this meeting.
my comments was changed and they wasn't for verbatim that would be fine but the gist of it would have been fine and uh but they changed it they changed it and it changed it to my opinion and
my thoughts but I like to quote Dr. King, I want to get the language straight tonight. This meeting, the CRA meeting just wrapped up. The chair mentioned something about a program that you was
talking about that the people of the homeowners or even if you rent it, you was a renter and you had rental property that you could get your property fixed up and the chair had a problem. You need to you need to trust the whole
council. But this my this my public comment and that's what I'm that's what I'm talking this administration. No, you got to talk to the whole council. Well, I'm talking to the whole council. We were just sitting there and you just said you you didn't want the program because you didn't want citizens
sucking just coming up just sucking off the money from the grants. But to get the language straight tonight, you don't have any problem with the Florida ctorum economic cratorium coming up here with their hands out.
You don't have a problem with the ministerial lines coming in here with their hand out. You don't have a problem with that at all. You know, it it's a shame that our city is going to waste and is saying that I
don't care about our city. It's disrespect to the citizens when they get up here and speak. But yet it's still you want to talk about the quorum. When somebody come up and give a a
public comment, this council have gave you the power to go back and change it. This what's wrong with this city. And the sad part about it is this. We
got an election coming up and so far only two people out there. Instead of you guys doing something right, you guys got the news always in here trying to campaign and you ain't doing nothing for the sit citizen. And just like I would say, I'll
change this. I would call a bunch of y'all the clown show, but I decided not to do that because I'll be insulting the clowns. Josh Douglas name's Jack Douglas. I live at 2149 East
Rest Drive here in Apopka. And uh the item that I wanted to talk about is not on the agenda tonight. And I was I was amazed that it hadn't been on the agenda the last 90 days that
at least come up for the second reading. That's the charter. Um, as far as I know, the uh city attorney has completed everything he needs to do in order to have that placed on the agenda.
And I have been inquiring um occasionally as to why it's not on the agenda. So, I have a question. Why is it not on the agenda, Mr. Mayor? I was directing it at you.
Oh, okay. It'll be in there in two weeks. Is it too late to make the September? I don't know. Elections. I'm not sure. So, I sent you a email
Monday asking you, right, if it was too late, if it was too late. And 3 days, well, almost 3 days later, you're telling me you still don't know. Well, between now and Wednesday, we'll
know. Well, in the next council meeting. Yes. Thank you. Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Red is the color because red is my unhappy color. I'm unhappy. Public comment. The
fact that it was denied for nine months, excusing all the department heads, cutting off the live feed, then limping back in. Well, I wonder if it's because two people are up for election coming up here right now. uh the and then the slap in the face of reducing it to four to
three minutes and another slap in the face with it's after the it's not it's before the prayer and pledge. If anyone needs prayers it's probably people like me. It should be part in front of the agenda and shame on you because the entire city every agenda in this city goes prayer pledge then the meeting get
back to it. Secondly, preventive maintenance. I talked to you about it. I've emailed all of you about it. the aspect of doing it. The city presented me with over a thousand items with no completed date of of the maintenance being completed. And yet every department head stood up here and said,
"Oh, everything's in line." You as our leaders need to check and make sure the fact that preventive maintenance is taking place. When the former director points out that 30% of our assets are over 30% 30% of our assets are over their normal
lifespan spells a problem. and also the same individual and maybe that's why he's not here anymore. Couldn't verify the preventive maintenance work is being conducted on our sewer and water system. Unforgivable development. I'm hoping one of you will put up before the commission today that we're going to put off. We're
going to stall it for a while because we are going crazy. Everything's coming up everywhere. We don't have the infrastructure in place to do it. You are down between 12 and 18% of your staff city administration. Finally, budget workshops. I sent all of
you an email and I'd like to point out that with regard to emails, can't speak for anyone else. Every time I send a note to a commissioner, to the mayor, I received back from two. Thank you, Commissioner Neesa and Commissioner Velasquez. I've received maybe one or two in the
last two years from the other commissioners. And on occasion, I do hear back from the mayor. That's unforgivable. this budget. I forwarded you a document that puts five years in a row average for the five years year-to date what the the performance is the
performance annualized for the year for the fiscal year and the new it should be laid out that way you guys are getting one book after another you can't put things together this budget was a farce you are better than that we are better than that and we as taxpayers sitting on
this side of the DS need to address it thank Sebst sticks. Hi, Sebsticks. Uh, I live in Apopka. Sorry for earlier. I got confused. Um, I love the energy that the other people are bringing here today. Our community
definitely needs this energy. Um, me aos lived through World War II and they were able to say that they didn't know how bad it was. today or yesterday actually, uh, one of our county commissioners said in the meeting that they have a video that they personally filmed of a group
of workers lined up on the curb waiting for ICE to take them away. We cannot say that we didn't know. We are watching it happen. Um, federal militia groups of mass men are targeting Latinos and anyone who does not look white and
coercing local police to join. Citizens are being detained. Voters are being abused and shipped across the country, losing their jobs and homes. This is not just the undocumented humans. This is affecting every human that lives here,
citizen or not. Um the labor camps meant to dehumanize our neighbors are built in weeks while we are here discussing. We're just discussing things. Um there's, you know, I understand that there's a lot of red tape and like
steps, but we should work together to find the loopholes around that so that we can take action now. Um please do something. It's the we have been as patient and understanding as you have
been, we cannot just sit here and watch it happen. Um I think a first step would be to like for the city to fund umformational material like print um papers, flyers to uh to educate our
neighbors on their rights, their constitutional rights um their rights as immigrants. Just please do something. Thank you. Sylvester Hall. Good evening again and hello to everyone
who can hear my voice and everybody sitting in this chamber today. I challenge your moral conscience. Look around you. The city of Apakka, the state of Florida, and our country is in a national crisis. Too many good people
witnessing bad things happening and not doing anything about it. Cinder being completely silent. It's time to say no to hate. Stand against hate. Time to stand against corruption. And it's time to stand against racism. Let me
bring this home because a lot of times when a country or any organization can't move forward, it's because when they refuse to face the state of their organization or the state of this country. When we talk about racism, it's a taboo. We don't we don't want to talk
about it. I got to get tired of you using the race card. Well, race is display for the whole global world to see. It's on center stage now. And let's go back to what it really what it really means. If you can hang a person, cut off
his genitals and watch him sit there and bleed out and have your kid by your side and you look at that as entertainment. That is where we at. That is what we need to bring back and we need to understand what is going on
today. And when we as citizens speak out, everything start at our local level. So that's why I'm bringing it to you here and I'm bringing it to you uncut and I'm bringing it to you raw. Now let's bring it back home when we talk about annization of South Aka when they sent
all the on the other side cuz that's what they were because you didn't want them to be amongst you. So you send them over there across the railroad track. And now today when it's time to do the right thing, mayor, you ask, we need to have a workshop so they
can understand how it's going to benefit them. But when we send them over there, did we ask them, hey, let's have a workshop so we can see how it's going to benefit you? Did we do that, city attorney? Do we have a workshop to let them know that hey, you're not going to
get your adequate streets, lights, plumbing, water? No, we didn't have that. So now we come back with our hypocritical self after we don't done all this and try to make like we doing the right thing and we being upstanding citizens.
It's time for change. And if we don't face reality, I said we're headed for a civil war. Go back and read what happened in the last civil war. But I guarantee you it won't be the same for America this time. It won't be the same
for our commissioner here. A godfearing man, but he still let the prayer go unchecked the way it's supposed to be by
protocol. So what do you fear? You fear this administration more than you fear God? That's why I say make it make sense. Make it make sense. It don't. And change is coming. Albert McKim. Albert McKim. 3603 Golden Jam Road. Uh
last city council meeting I think it was or perhaps it was a budget meeting. discussed if it was viable to shut down Golden Gem Retention Pond. It's not viable. It's not an option. It's part of the comprehensive plan. What we require
to do at Golden Gem Road is double down. We need to double the capacity of Golden Gem Road. By doing that, we can actually reduce the overall cost because we can use the film that's currently there to help solve the problems that we already have. Let's have a look at Golden Gem
Road and its history. Golden Gem Road came to the city uh in 2009 from St. John's. It was valued at $4.5 million. There was a contractual obligation that if the city breached this contract at St. John's, we would have to pay back an
interest rate and it would be uh to the point the contract was was breached. So, we're now from 2009 to 2025. So, if you like to calculate compound interest at whatever rate you think it might be on 4.5 million, you probably come to 10.4. 4 million. You've already
spent approximately $2 million on liners at that facility. You had a grant of $1.5 million from uh Mr. Demings. You had uh spent $950,000
to Mr. DVO. We had to fence the place. We had a lot of work to do. If we did have to hand it back, it's not a case of handing it back in the shape it's in just now. You're going to have to hand it back in the condition that's suitable for St. John's to take it. That means you're
going to have to fill it. You're probably going to have to grass it and you're probably going to have to come down trees. So, work it out. 10 million, 10.4 million, add another 2 million on. Add another 1.5. Add the cost that it cost to to fence the place and do the
work. Now, figure how much it's going to cost to bring in Phil to fill it and grass it. We're looking at $20 million if we decide to give it away. Yeah. It's not viable. So, what we need
to do, and I did message our mayor this week and offered to to to come and do a presentation. I've offered this numerous times. Nobody wants to to take me up in that. So what I'm going to do is if I can't make a presentation here, we'll organize a public call at which we'll invite all the commissioners and the
mayor and then I'm not looking to portion blame for what's happened. What I'm looking to do is to provide possible solutions to the problems that you guys face. It's not that just a couple of weeks ago, I brought to your attention the infrastructure regarding the the
lift pumps and lo and behold at the budget what happened as I predicted $7 million on one pump and you have 170 of them. We have problems. Some of the members of the public here are engineers. Some of them have solutions to your problems. If you refuse to hear
us, be on your own heads. Okay. Valerie Sparkman. Um, I know I'm Valerie Sparkman. Um, owner of Just Like Mamas. I wanted to just drop you dropped the mic. Okay. Thank you. Um, I wanted to just
say that we um are celebrating my first year anniversary. So, I just want to pretty much thank most of the city members um commissioners and um and all of the employees for helping us to try to make this car and Jeep show a
success. I really didn't run into any issues. The only thing that we were attempting cuz my sister does this on a regular basis um attempting to charge um for this um event. Um but it's almost
impossible. normally where she normally has it, she can contain it, but it would be impossible because it'll run into other businesses. So, I just wanted to say thank you and to all of the people who are on DRC that helped us. This this is going to come up again, I see later on in the agenda, but I just wanted to
use my this time for public comment to to thank the um the city um staff. Are you going to be staying for that item? Yes. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much. It is. Okay. All right. with that. Well, mayor, before we do the invocation, I just want to say it's definitely not unnoticed that every
other meeting we've done in the last week and a half, you've offered no invocation. No pledge. Mr. Smith, pray for pledge. And because the it's going to be on the agenda. You're talking on Clear Lake on the I have your card.
Public comment or or on the Clear Lake? Okay, then come on down. My name is Venus Griffith. I live in the Clear Lake and say subdivision. Almost three years ago, I had an issue at my house, as you know, Brian. And you
know why I know it's about three years ago? Because it was the same day I buried my mom and I came home to a big flood from the water from the lake. And I came here several times and told
you about it and now you want to tax us extra. Clear lake Estates at Avon Park and Clear Lake. Supposed this supposed to be public comment on items that are not on the agenda. So it is on the agenda. I know. Yes. If you're when we get
it is a public comment. It is. You know why? Because you know I have to come out of retirement again to discuss this with you. You are what you're not going to do is tax us for the problem you cause with
the different homes, apartments, those ghetto apartments that you put up down on Beyon Road and the houses that you put down there. It was your highway person. It was a female that came here with black hair and she
was white. and she promised us that she was going to fix the flooding because she put in the 429 there. Guess what? We still have flooding. When Milton came in last year, it took out all almost all of my trees
in my yard. We have a sign now. Beware of fallen trees. I can't understand that. Here in America, we have a a sign because of your doing. That's unheard of. Do you
want another Texas with the flooding of how many people died? Over a 100 people died. Over a hundred people are missing. That's what you're going to have right there off of Being Road. And the blood will be on your hands.
But I thank uh uh Diane and Nester and uh Smith for coming out to see about us. Even you came out to see about us. But we got to fix this problem. This is hurricane season. We getting a lot of rain and houses are floating down the
street in Texas. Have you heard of that? This is a hundredyear rain event that is happening. We have to fix Clear Lake Estate Subdivision Lake. It's not our
fault. Y'all took away all the orange groves and being greedy because you want to build bill. We're not doing that anymore. You got to come up with something else. How are you taxing us with something that you did,
you approved? Thank you. Go ahead. say hold hold the clock. Thank Thank you. Yes. Oh, that's all you have to say? Okay. We're not going to be taxed. Okay.
All right. Commissioner Smith, give us the prayer pledge and back to date. Commissioner, dear heavenly father, we come once again thankful for the privilege to be servants of this city. We ask father you will lead, guide, and direct us. Bless those that in attendance tonight. We ask
in thy son Jesus name. Amen. Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Fact of the day. On July 16th, 1945 at 5:49 a.m., the first atom bomb was successfully tested in New Mexico as a part of the Manhattan Project. The Manhattan project so-called because of where the research began will wind up
its way through many locations during the early period of theoretical exploration but the project to final form in the desert of New Mexico where in 1943 Jay Robert openheiser began directing project Y at a laboratory at
Los Alamos. All along with such minds as Han Beth Edeller and Er here theory and practice came together as the problems of achieving critical mass a nuclear explosion and the construction of a deliverable bomb was
worked out. Fact of the day. All right. Approval of minutes. Got a set of minutes from the July 2nd meeting. Any changes? any No, I think these minutes need a lot of changes and I'll be presenting during my council report on edits that need to be
made and then also the policy that uh we need to be bringing up as well during my council report. So, I think these need to be tabled until we can have a discussion about how proper minutes should be taken. We're going to we're going to approve the minutes unless there's multiple edits and inaccuracies. One resident even spoke about the
excessive inaccuracies. But if you want to make those changes and not look for motion to approve. No, it needs to be tabled until there's proper a proper policy to record minutes. These aren't reflective of accurate what is being spoken in this room and
recorded on YouTube is not being transcribed properly on the meeting minutes. So these minutes are are so far out out of line of what actually occurred within the room. So So you're looking for a motion to table it? I am. Okay. Got a motion to table it?
Well, I'm going to second it because I did get the email from um our city clerk that there was some discrepancy on the So, we got a motion. Got a motion to uh table second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor?
I Okay. All those opposed? I I So it we'll table a motion till whenever 3 to two with uh Commissioner Anderson and Nelson in opposition. Okay. Bradley agenda review.
Uh mayor, we do have one item. It's the item under public hearing number five resolution 202525 applicants requesting continuing this item to the uh August 6th meeting. So that'll come up when we get to that item. August 6th.
Okay. That's number five. Resolution 2525. Correct. Okay. To August 6. Yes. All right. Presentation. Vladimir. Come
on up. Good evening everyone. Uh Vladimir Simolowski, public works director and city engineer. Mayor, commissioners, uh what we're bringing in front of you tonight is an update to the irrigation system design for the Clear Water Lake.
And I'm going to give you some historic uh information on this. Clearwater Lake is a closed basin lake located in the city of Apka just west of Camiva that has been experiencing high higher water levels in the recent years adversely affecting the residents of
Clear Lake Landing and Clear Lake Estates in particular. The lake is private and is owned by four separate entities. Clear Lake Lending, AOA, which is to the south of the lake. Clear Lake Estates LLC, which is to the north of
the lake, more like a northeast. Aven Point Community Association, which is to the west and the northwest section, and Sander Gay Lust, uh, who owns the property on this side, right next to Binian Road. Uh, it was determined that irrigation
water inflow along with excessive rainfall causes the rise of the lakes's water level. and to assist the adversely affected properties. In 2003, the city permitted and executed emergency pumping of the lake. The emergency pumping was deployed
in February of 2023 and finished in April of the same year. During the three months operation, the lakes's water level was reduced by 3.4 4 feet. And the total cost of the pumping was $195,50. Different long-term solutions,
alternative solutions were considered. And option one was to recycle the lake surface water as irrigation source. Option two was to pump the surface water to the northshore reclaim water treatment plant which is to the
southeast of the lake on the other side on I'm sorry to the southwest on the west side of state road 429 and option three was to repeat temporary pumping whenever needed. So option was was option one was ultimately selected as the best
alternative due to the less stress on the city's recline water system. The Clear Lake Landing Adroid owns this system and the St. John River Water Management District and the FDP approved of this solution. Following the temporary pumping operation, the city contracted the
Balmoral Group to design and permit a long-term solution for this problem to assist the affected communities. The long-term solution consists of construction of alternative water supply irrigation pump station for clear lake landing and disconnection of this
residential developments municipal reclam water system. The project design started in April 2024 for the cost of $68,900 and has been completed and permitted with a water management district as a consumptive use permit in January of
this year. The permit is issued to clear lake landing. The normal water level of clear lake of clear water lake is at elevation 65 ft. The district permit allows surface water withdrawal of irrigation down to
elevation of 63 feet. The current lake elevation is 69.75 ft which is up approximately 5.5 in from the 69.3 ft that was measured on July 1st. The engineering construction cost
estimate is $456,000 of which 397 it's for construction and a 15% in contingency it's roughly $59.6,000. Uh considering the 14 142 single residential units at um inside the
subdivision approximately that cost will be about $3,000 per household. Now, the Aven Point already contributed $6,000 in support services, and the city may contribute another $60,000 in incind
services, which will leave the HOA with approximate cost of about $336,000 divided by the 1442 uh units, that will be approximately $2,400 per household. So the city
expense to date are $263,000 as we already mentioned which is due to the emergency pumping of 194,000 and the design cost for the for the irrigation system which is approximately around $69,000.
And that concludes my presentation. All right. Any any questions for Vlad? I've got a couple questions. So, we met obviously yesterday and I appreciate you taking the time to meet with me. Uh, there was a couple questions. So, the graph that we that was shown there,
that's an older graph and to confirm it's not pumped down to 67, it's pumped down. Correct. The permit calls pumping down to 63. Okay. And it's currently at 69.3. 69. Currently 69.75
as of noon today. The 69.3 was the reading I gave you yesterday. That was on July 1st. July 1st. Okay. So, we had a few days of severe rain in the last two weeks. So, and this is something we discussed
as well. So, the the process would be to uh remove them from our system effectively. So, it'll be they'll be their own self-contained system of irrigation. Correct. That is correct. So, what's the process that would happen if for some reason we go through a series of drought and they
don't have any they they can't pump lower than what that pond currently is? What how do we what's the process to get them connected back I guess to our system? Is there new permits that have to go into place of St. John's? What does that look like?
Uh the permit has a lot of conditions in there and I think they're also addressing some of the drought. I think that was considered both by the water management district as well as the engine of record Mr. side and uh they're very extensive conditions
they're described in very detail but what can happen is uh for example if there's a severe drought and they cannot really utilize that water for they cannot pump below 63 let's say feet right uh in that case
there can be a modification of the permit because the age is actually on the permit. They're the permit. So in order to bring it back to the city system, it will have they will have to be reconnected to the system which
should not affect our permit. So then their their permit that they would have would that become null and void and they would have to reapply should we get into a similar scenario. What does that look like? I guess that will be the scenario that can be looked at. But I think the
engineer and the water management district work closely on this and they considered all the options based on the demand based on how much water is available in the lake and I from my recollection I think it's about 19.2 million gallons a year with a
maximum monthly withdrawal to 4.4 of course not to exceed the 19.2 annually. Okay. So that from the calculations and what multiple entities have looked at, they're seeing this as it's a rare it would be the rarest occurrence if we go
through a drought that they can't pump more than what's in there. Was that a mischaracterization? If if you can repeat please. Yeah. So just from I I thought I was repeating and maybe not. I just want to make sure I'm on the same page with you. With all the calculations that were taken into account with the permit in
the process, everyone is confident, all the parties involved, the engineer record, St. John's, uh they're all confident that even if we do experience a drought, there will still be enough water to do what needs to be done irrigation wise. To my understanding, that's what it's present. That's why the permit was
issued. Now, I can't speak on their behalf, but I'm sure that the water man considered this. Yes. Otherwise in rare situations they will allow this kind of permit. Okay. To give into a private entity. Understood. So then the cost per home
or I guess the total cost itself that's just for construction. That's not ongoing maintenance or anything of that nature. Correct. That is for construction. Correct. So just exclusive to that. And so have we do we know what the HOA has in reference to um approvals from their members? Um are they are they in all
saying yes we want to do this let's get it started tomorrow or is this something that has a longer runway I don't have that information on the age part I think they I'm assuming they before pulling the permit with the water
management district they discussed that among the okay so we don't know if there's there's not maybe a balance in place or something that we know for sure that there's a yes this is the route the HOA as a whole wants to I yes I don't have that information yet. And then do we know in reference to
their side of it do they have financing lined up already? Is that we discussed this yesterday as well. Is there how do we know how they're paying for their side of it? I'm not sure. I don't have information on that. Okay. So they haven't communicated in one way or the other what what that looks like.
No. Not to start. No. Okay. And I was just curious again. I didn't know if this was we're going to start implementing this next week or if this is just a update and we're still 6 to 9 to 12 months out. What what does the timeline look like kind of best case worst case?
I would say if we they start tomorrow let's say it will take about six months for mobilization getting all the equipment the construction alone should be not more than two to three months. Okay. And then we would still have to and we discussed this yesterday as well.
We would have to do the disconnect inhouse from our system to theirs. And so that's and that's not budgeted in here. Correct. Uh that is correct. Yes. Okay. So we still that would be part of the process but that could happen in conjunction. Correct. At the same time that that can be one day operation.
Okay. That's a pretty easy. Yeah. It's easy and it's very inexpensive. Okay. Understood. I think that's the questions I have right now. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Smith. Well, I I guess my concern was in the event that there was a drought
Mhm. and they were not able to pump from the lake. I guess when we initially went through this process, I thought that the agreement was or assumption on my part was that there was going to be a valve
installed. So should they not be able to pump in from the lake then they could go back to using reclaimed water until such time there was enough water back in the lake again for them to resume pumping. Yes. So, uh, looking at the permit, the
permit is good for 10 years, till 2035. And it's, of course, it's hard to see the future, right? If we're going to have a drought, but what we have seen is since especially since Hurricane Irma 17, I believe, we're seeing more and
more increase in the water levels and more and more rainfall, right, every year. So, it's hard to predict. I would say probably by the time the permit expires, it's very unlikely that we're going to see a severe drought in the
lake, even being a closed basin. Uh on the other question, I'm sorry, the other question was uh in reference to the the the valve to be able to go from system. Yes, the system will remain there. We're
just going to have to discon make a disconnection there, right? which is going to be cutting the pipe. The valve's going to be there. We're going to have a cab and there's going to be a valve on the other side. So, in let's say situation of a drought, they approach St. John's, they ask for a
modification of the permit or maybe even annoying the permit completely, right? And going back to the city system, there will be an easy connection to be put in place. All right. And I guess during our meeting, I asked the question if the HOA
was going to secure their own loan for this two for this $336,000. And so we don't know that. No, we don't have that information. No, Commissioner Velasquez.
So, you know, we went back and forth on this. So initially this started in 2022 where we did the emergency pumping itself. 2023 was 2023. Yes. February of 2023 until April the same year 2023.
And and I do remember before we even got to that point there was a lot of discussion and I know that the chair our mayor had been meeting with the HOA. So the question that I have for the mayor is when you had these meetings with them
and we and you presented these solutions to them because I do remember it was a 4:1 vote for the emergency pumping which he was the descending vote for that but then he approved the second part which was the design
and for to help the uh community use the lake for reclaim. order because that was approved unanimously. Um when you had the discussion with the HOA, were they aware that they were going to incur this payback? Well, we
initially were going to take it on as our as our own project and just put them as a part of our reclaim system. What St. John's and D came back and said, "No, you can't do that. They have to own it. If we if we control that system, we
then have to treat the water to a different standard, which be a lot more expensive, which doesn't wouldn't make from from a city point of view wouldn't make financial sense. No, I understand that. But, you know, a lot of what took place between the HOA
and our mayor wasn't really shared with us. When it came before us, it it came with these solutions. But my concern is now the big expense is coming on and so from
what I'm gathering is the HOA and the membership of this community was unaware that they were going to I'm already hearing it that they were unaware that they were going to be paying back the city. And so I asked that at the agenda
review is are we footing this entire bill or are they paying us back? So the city expense to date as I said was $263,000. I to my knowledge there's no intention
to get this money reimbured from the HOA but the construction cost which can amount to roughly 45 $450,000 right you told me $456 56 correct correct uh Aven already
deposited $60,000 as their contribution and the city is willing to help with another $60,000 equivalent to inind port which will remain leave the HOA to pay for compensate for the $336,000
for the construction of the system. Now that being said is uh the residents will stop paying for reclaim water to the city. So over the last 12 months, our approximation was
that's amounts for about $110,000 overall, which in term will equal to about three years of uh breaking even for the cost of the $336,000. That includes some contingency as well.
So it could be less than that. So then where does the 2.4 two uh 2.4 per household? So So I estimated that based on uh uh $336,000 divided by I believe $142 households
there that will equal roughly to about $2,400 per house. Okay. So the total cost for for the deciding to wait out the three years because they won't be paying the reclaimed water.
Correct. Correct. By not paying during those three years, they should be able to recover that cost that they going to invest in the construction and then everything after that is going to be kind of saving for that. Now, there's going to be some operational
cost of course, but I think that's nothing in comparison to this. So, they'll be paying so they would be paying back the city for the cost. But then they would be, you're saying they would gain get back that that cost
that they're paying the city in three years because they're not paying the reclaim. Well, I'm not sure how we want to structure that financially. It can be either them taking a loan like let's say uh community like a town homes or or
condominiums when they need to replace the roof they will typically get the loan for 3 years 5 years 10 years whatever it is and then they will be assessed through that loan right so that would be the option the city not uh
taking the entire bill are we legally allowed to lend money because that's going to be that's going to problematic from establishing an MSBU because it's a private system, right? So, I guess my question I'm sorry, you're not finished, are you? No. No. I'm sorry. You sure? Okay. So, I guess
my question is, have there be a meeting of the minds with the HOA in the community? It sounds like there hasn't been a meeting of the minds. So, this this just this is a proposal. I mean, this is obviously it's a it's a it's not an agenda item. It's just a a
presentation. So yes, so the next step will be to to discuss this with the HOA. So there's going to be a meeting with the HOA, correct? And with the res is what the we have them here. That's that's the reason we're okay to discuss they okay because it sounds like they don't they don't really want this 2.4 is not they're not okay
with that. I think that's this is just to give you an update of where we are with this when the problem started, what the city did so far, and uh what we have right now at the table. Attorney Shepard, are we able to loan money? Um, if you say it like that, the answer
is no. But obviously, you know, for example, we have this special assessment situation with Emerson and there are other ways by which city can be a vehicle of finance but not be loaning the money. So, it's it's not a it's not a the way you ask it's a straightforward question. No, but there are other
financing mechanisms city can use to help homeowners get things they otherwise couldn't get at a cheaper rate. Well, so that would be bonded. That would be the bond. So we would go through the bond like correct you would have we would have to go through the bond process again some version of that we couldn't use reserves and and give
them half a million dollars and then say you owe us that's correct we can't do that you're not a banker we can't lend money correct so we would have to bond this it's not big enough to bond it would just be a bank loan blanch yes sorry
excuse me um as the mayor just mentioned and as our city attorney just mentioned similar to what we've done with Emerson Park. However, what is happening with that when we are that ownership is coming to us. Yeah, it's a lot different. I don't want to necessarily
mix these are really different issues. Yeah. And I in this particular case, I don't think we would be taking ownership because I don't think we can as I understand it. So, it's very different then. Yeah, it's somewhat. So, I don't want to compare these then. These are very different. I I was only
trying to compare that there there is a way by which a city can facilitate things getting paid for for the benefit of residents in the community, not about ownership anything else. And one of those ways is to support a bond issue or some other uh vehicle that has the city
as a facilitator as opposed to somebody who's an oblige or anything like that. So that's what I'm talking about. Okay, understood. Okay, please. Now, it it was my understanding because this is a private lake a private pond that the city could not do that that the
HOA would have to go out and get their own funding because this is a private pond. It's it's not a it's not that was my understanding. So, and and then my other question is if the HO decide this is not what they want to do
then what's the alternative? I think those are very good questions. a legal question then a Vlad question. So what are the options I guess? Yeah. What are the financial options that they have to finance this is what it sounds like to me.
So So answer the financial you want the financial one. Okay. Again I I think Cliff is saying you know basically we can facilitate you know help them but I don't know if we can serve as a guarantor or anything like
that in regards to a loan. Again, this is private loan. Can you state that again? Sorry. I don't know if we can serve as a guarantor on the loan or so would it be our loan? It would be their loan. We could just only facilitate show them what to do, how to do it or something in that regard. So, they'd have to get their own
financing. Yes. In every scenario, they'd have to get their own financing. That's my understanding. Yes. Because we do not own this, but go ahead. All that is accurate. I I will bring up and this goes back several years and I so and I'm not a bond finance lawyer or
any of that but when I was uh in my first tenure at Mount Dora for 10 years one of the things that happened there that the the city facilitated was allowing uh it was that case I think it was a private school um to get applied
for and get with the facilitation of the city a lower rate for essentially bonds in in municipal work are loans. That's what they are. It's just where the money comes from, a bank or an actual floating of a bond. Um, but we were able to facilitate through some mechanism a
private bond, but at city rates where we had no liability. There was opinions written on that. We had no responsibility, but it allowed the school to get a much lower rate on its financing. And that's what I'm talking about. I'm assuming that that vehicle still exists, but that would be a question for your bond council.
Exactly. Any other questions for well there was a couple there was a question asked and it hit three different things. I think the other one was what would they do if I understood correctly if they can't get a loan then what is the next step for them
and again I guess that will come in the additional discussions that you have with the HOA. I don't know if you know I Yeah, I I don't know. I don't know if I have an answer to that question. Right. I mean, the option is we already have the design. So, we invested almost
$70,000 in the design and and that was considered as the best option out of the three options, right? That was with the intention when we did that. That was with the intention that we would take the system on without having to treat the water to our
standard. when when they came back and said you can't do that then it became has to be a HOA private because we cannot mix that water with right the other recline water that goes to public access so and that's why we have to disconnect
them from the system by them doing their own system they're not sending anything to public access they're just using for their use but isn't this the same scenario or what's being described as what we're doing at Border Lake or what the proposed launch long-term plan is is that we want to pump out of that lake,
treat it, and then push it put it into our system. Can't we do that same thing here? It's It's not the same. The border lake is is a public lake, and it's not it's millions and millions of million
because we're talking about the the four lakes or five lakes that will be taking the the water levels down. It's not it's not apples and oranges, but it's it's galla apples and red delicious. But this is saying 90 million gallons a year basically, right?
About 90. I mean, that's a tangible substantial amount that we could use. Well, but you're you're you're you're taking it away from them by by shutting the line off. So, you're you're giving 90 million to them and we're taking 90 million off of our
system. And I think the difference here, one is property and one is private. One is private. Yeah. Yeah. What? And I and I guess I'm just trying to understand because I wasn't on the council um when this happened. So, was there any type of negligence or error on
the city's part that put the city liable for anything with this lake? No. Okay. No. This is a private lake again. And yes, like I said in the beginning, didn't we have um some of the new construction had some uh ponds and
things that like that that failed, didn't they? That was Avalon if I'm not mistaken. Either Avalon or Aven Point. Didn't they have failed ponds that we were supposed to inspect and didn't and that helped cause some flooding? Is that why they're contributing this the $60,000? What is it they're
contributing? And I thought that number was 80 for some reason. So the the ponds to the west and the north west of the pond and then north of that that was a point. I mean that failed almost immediately and I think that was obviously contributo to the
flooding issues that all those neighborhoods experienced and there's an oversight agency that has to confirm that those are done properly and we are that agency. Is that an accurate statement? I'm I I don't have that information, but I would assume that that was already
inspected. And there was this all took place in 23, so I'd have to go. Well, the flooding occurred in 22 and then we finally took care of it in 23, early 23. So, it was 22 flooding. Yeah. But I I do remember there was a
lot of discussion about a particular plan. I'd have to go back to the I have to look at to the to the notes that I have because I have a thick boulder of Clear Lake when we first started. I think that's why Avy Point gave the 60 That's why they have to give 60,000 for
something to Well, no, they had said that they had no involvement in it, but they gave 60,000 because they wanted, if you went back and watched it, they wanted it was in it was a trade-off for higher density. They didn't just do it out of goodwill. They wanted higher density. We negotiated and said, "Please contribute to this." They
said, "We're not we're not liable for that. It's not our fault at all." and we still said, "Okay, well, if you want that higher density that's going to get you five, seven million more in value, give us $80,000." And I thought it was 80 maybe. Okay, 80,000 was the number. Um, so that
that's the series of events that happened. They didn't just give this out of their goodwill and saying, "Hey, this is our fault." It was a trade-off basically. Uh, we'll have higher density and we'll give you money for it effectively to help fix this issue. Is the series of events that occurred there.
Yeah. Any other questions? Yeah, we're gonna let you. Yeah. Any other questions about We'll bring Come on, Brian. Come on. When I heard the shirt comment earlier tonight about wearing a red shirt, I was a little confused at first, but cuz mine
was black. But now I understand why you came in here with a a red shirt because now I'm fuming hearing a lot of these different options. Mayor, you and I have several emails back and forth with each other. I've asked for meetings. I've asked to sit down with you. I had many
meetings with St. John's River at my house, my personal house in Clear Lake Landings. And just so everybody knows, and for the record, my name is James Brian Mater. I go by Brian Mater. I am the HOA board president at Clear Lake Landings. Um
been involved with this um for for a while since they started pumping on on this situation. I was there when they drafted the first permit. I was there when they issued stuff. I was there when St. John's personally wanted to have a conversation to let me know how
important this issue was pulling away from the reclaimed water and then having to go back there and reconnect it. So, just to kind of clarify and clear with the rest of the commissioners out there, what's going to happen is and what's been discussed with St. John's and Greg
Sidell, which the city hired and paid for him, which is a great asset for the city. I enjoyed working with him. Um, very true, very honest, upfront with everything that any question that we had, he backed it up with a lot of data. Um, so that was really good. So, let's get back to the issue and what what
caused this. It wasn't Clear Lake Estates's fault. It wasn't Clear Lake Landing's fault. It was the overgrowth of the community. Exactly what everybody complains about day in and day out. I'm sorry, but when you take away trees and
dirt and you do all this stuff and you put rooftops down and black pavement and concrete and a little tree here and there, you're going to have that water run somewhere. It's going to go somewhere. I've only lived here for four years. I'm from Colorado. Just so
happens I I was sat on the water commission in Colorado. So when you have a lot of these issues that take place and I drive down Boy Scout or Bingan that didn't flood when I moved here four years ago and now you go flying down the
road, you got to be careful because it's flooding and they don't even have all the payment done yet. There's more houses that are coming. There's more apartments that are coming. This is a short-term solution. I hear the long term out there. This is a short term. Yes, we're bringing in 90 million
gallons. Yes, we're doing all this, but we're also adding more houses, more pavement, more rooftops, more everything, more traffic. I mean, you're going to push water. You drive through a puddle, you throw the water some another direction. You you you reroute it.
Somewhere this water's going to go. I'm sorry, but when the orange girls were sitting over on Boy Scout and they were doing this and now you've dug down, you've moved that water somewhere else. It's coming to our area. It's not going to go away. All right. What I'm
irritated about is I keep being told that this is going to be an asset tonight. This is the first I've ever been told at all that the HOA was going to have to go get a loan on this. That's not what was said. It's in emails.
I have it. This is the first. I asked for meetings. Mayor, if you remember, I sat in your office and I told you I don't want to play politics, but I will. Do you remember that? Okay. We're playing politics now. This
is not going to go easy on you, on us. I don't see why Clear Lake Estates, Clear Lake Landings, or anybody should have any financial. I understand it's it's owned by us, but if you look at your own picture by your survey, look at Egg on Point. They have one little dinky
retention pond that's budded up next to ours. Where do you think their water's going? Over by the 429 over wherever it's It's not It's coming back over there. That's why this water is not going down. It's not dropping. We were drought for three three four months. You
were on water restrictions. I think we still are on water restrictions. And you just stated it went up over the last couple days from July 1st to what's today? The 15th, 16th in in two weeks. We've had a little bit of rain. We're not even we haven't even started yet. We
have not even started this. My question is is when I brought this up, I stated point blank, we have 142 residents in our area. We are not buying an asset. An asset is something you can turn around and sell.
A car, your house, jewelry, whatever. We're we're being forced to put a pump in and then we got to maintain it. And if you remember, mayor, when we discussed, it sounds really good on paper and it's lipstick on a pig. We're going to take you off of the reclaim
water. Okay? We're going to bill you for this loan that I didn't even know about. I thought we were paying the city back. They were going to do the billing. They were going to do all that. We're going to pay back this loan of 450,000 because I didn't hear the 300 something,000
until tonight. Um I think the two numbers of 60 got transposed. I don't I think you guys paid that 60 and 60 and that's how you came up with 200 something thousand. You'd have to go back to the other slide on there, but I think that's what happened with it. I think the 60 and 60 is not being
deducted off the 458. Um unless that's something new. We were told that we were going to have to maintain this pump, the fence around it. I just paid $20,000 for a fence around our community. You can't insure this stuff. I'm an insurance
adjuster. It's what I do for a living. You cannot insure this type of stuff. You cannot insure pumps that are going to sit in water without huge rates or ACV policies. You can't they're not going to get replacement costs. That's not an asset. An asset is I can go sell it. I can't go over to Clear Link
Estates and say, "Hey, guess what? I got this cool asset. It's $350,000. Give me $200,000. You can buy it." I can't do it. We're stuck with this. I have to pay for the belts, the pumps, the sand filters. We have to make sure everything is taken care of over in this community.
There's 142 of us. That's it. Houses. This is going to be a huge deal. We don't even know what the cost is because it hasn't gone on to RFP. We're just We're in this in the phase. And then I see that we're throwing this out on the meeting right now just to like let's
just sneak it through, get it out there, let everybody know we're discussing about it, but let's hide it and not go for the facts. I've asked for meetings. I came up with negotiations on what we would do, how we can negotiate it. And it was like, no, I'm ready to talk to
your homeowners because you wanted to tell them you're not going to get a $100 bill, you're going to get a $50 bill. You wanted to you wanted to make it look really good that they were getting this discount, but I didn't realize that I might have to assess you in 10 years because the pump failed and we don't have the money to fix it. That's what we
don't have. And the loan, I'm sorry, commissioners, man. This is the first I've heard about that. Very disappointed. If I had time to switch shirts with them, I'd run outside real quick and switch shirts. I think I might be a little heavier than him, but I'm irritated. I I I don't do business that way. Mayor, I hope that you can come
back to the drawing board, respond to the last emails that we have, and let's let's work this out. That's going to be better for everybody, including and and your buddies over at a on point that did drop water. That would $80,000 was shut up money. They knew they were getting cut off by $7 million. And if they paid
$80 million, you're good. We both known that. We're both business. I've been in business a long time. If if you get fined $100,000, but you made $100 million, I'll pay the fine. I let's do it. That's what they did. They threw this out there. We've got a problem. It
was not caused by Clear Lake Estates, who was there first. It was not caused by Clear Lake Landings. It's a joint thing. It's a problem that's there, and I think the city needs to own up to it. Thank you. I I have a question for you, sir. Mr. M
meter Mater like to meter like the cars just um so what is it that you guys are asking from the city? Say that again. Ma'am, what is it that you guys are asking for the city? What is it? How what is it that you guys what responsibility? What what is it that you guys need from us?
I understand that it's a we own the lake. I think we own threequarters of it or 80% or whatever. I'm not sure what the the total amount of the square foot of the lake that we own. Me personally, I don't feel like we should have to be responsible for something that we did not cause. If if if I turned around and did that
with all of you, everybody would be upset. If I did it with anybody in this room, they'd be upset. If the cameraman that's sitting over there said, "Hey, by the way, I ran out of tape. I need to bill every one of you guys a little bit of money because I need more tape." We'd all be upset wondering what's going on. That's what's going on here. We're being
built for something that I don't think we caused. We didn't cause this problem. We didn't cause the issue. I feel that the city should step up, find a way to make it work. I understand it's a private lake, but they're going to have to figure it out because this issue is because of overdevelopment. Plain and
simple. So, Mr. Mayor, you Yes, ma'am. You showed a piece of document there. Was that an email from the mayor? I have several emails from the mayor. This is just I ran out of paper, so I couldn't print everything, but I imprinted the important stuff that I wanted to do.
Which one is that, Lia? And and what do the emails say? Well, it's t it's trying to negotiate stuff, trying to get stuff going to have a meeting. We sat down two times with you. I sat down with is it Richard Herp? I believe he Richard Herp at the
Yeah, Richard was at my house two times, maybe three. I know for a fact two times with Greg. Greg was at my house five times and several phone calls. So, unfortunately, you're showing documentation no access to. I don't have
those documentation. No problem. I I will make sure they're forward over. Ask our city clerk to give us at least a copy of all those documentations. Absolutely. Um, so that I have an idea of and and I said that in the beginning was that the
mayor basically was sitting with the HOA and when that came to us a few years ago, it already came with solutions and um and so now the solution is coming to fruition right now because we have
the design and we're ready to go forth with it. The permit's been approved. The the permit's been approved. We own the permit. It's definitely been approved and and I I hear you say the word solution. I call it a temporary solution. This isn't going to go away. I don't think pumping water back out of
here is going to work. What's going to happen if we do short the the lake? Just so everybody's clear on the on the commission on the stand here on the diet. We're kind of like on a gas gauge. That's the way the permit's set up. When we get down so low, we're going to have
to reapply for the permit to say, "Hey, we're too low. We need to reconnect into the into the reclaimed water again, do all that type of stuff. Gives us about 90 days. The permit's about 90 days. So, we have to once again pay for
experts to fill out this permit, which is huge. And send it over to them saying, "Okay, the lakes drained down too low. We're going to cause an issue. We're going outside of our permit. We need to re go back into the reclaimed water and do all that." And once we do that, then we have to wait for that
approval. And hopefully we make that 90 days. And hopefully I don't make 142 people upset at me because the grass died. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it. Okay. I think everybody here knows me. My name is Gregory Griffith. I'm also in
Clear Lake Estates. I came here uh to tonight's meeting because a concerned citizen gave me a heads up and said, "Do you know that you guys have a presentation for Clear Lake?" And I said, "No, I
don't know about that." Then I find out in calling around emails, nobody in my subdivision knows anything about what's going on here tonight. I called the president of the HOA or emailed the president. He has no He's on
vacation. He had no idea any of this was going on. To me, it sounds like you have an idea that you want to put forward. I don't know if you want to slick it in, but you have an idea that you want to put forward, but it sounds like it's ad hoc. It's something that should have
been set up and discussed and hammered out in a committee in an office somewhere, but not out in public for the world to see how unprepared you all are because that's where we are. We have so
many questions. We've been on this now for almost 45 minutes. There are a lot of questions here. the boards, the HOA board members for all the affected areas should have been in a meeting with the mayor and that this stuff should have
been hammered out. That's my question. Why wasn't that done? You're coming here with an ad hoc solution, which is really a temporary solution. And you asked the question, what happens if we have a a drought?
Well, I'll ask you other question. What happens if we have a flood? And all of a sudden, the water is coming up the hill from the lake onto my property, and I lose another tree, another 70 foot tree. I've lost two
already. Gigantic trees. Thank God they fell away from my house because they would have crushed my house. And they're all due to this problem. I moved into Clear Lake Estates. My wife and I moved into Clear Lake Estates in 2007,
February of 2007. We had no problem at all with flooding until around 18 2018 2019. We came in, we met with Brian Nelson, we told him about our problems because the water was inching up, was
creeping up, was overflowing. The reason why it was overflowing, we could see the development across the lake where there was a forest. Now there's concrete. Now there's asphalt. Now there are houses and there's not sufficient structure in
place to get rid of that water. So it goes into Clear Lake and it just builds and there's no way for the water to get out. 429 came in. They built their concrete retention around. That's just going to hold more water in our system.
Thank you. I think you need to go back to the drawing board and you need to hammer out some of these things behind closed doors before you come and say, "Okay, this is what we want to do." You don't know what you want to do yet. Albert McKim 360 Golden Gem Road. At the
beginning of this presentation, there were three options proposed. And I noticed with interest that the option that was chosen was the option that had least impact on the city. It was the optimum solution. Bearing in mind the
lake belongs to somebody else. It's a way the city can say not our problem. It's not in my backyard. But the fact of the matter is what you guys are doing is not realized. and it's a temporary solution. I've sensed for a while there is a solution to a lot of
the problems in the city's infrastructure. And the second option where you were looking at North Lake Shore pumping water to there coincides with something that I think is a potential. I don't have time here tonight to discuss it because it's going to take a whole lot longer than 3
minutes. But what I'm going to say to you is that we're we really don't understand what's happening in Apopka. When you look at the city of Apopka on Google, it'll come up as approximately 34 or 36 square miles in size. If you
then look at how much of that is water, it comes to down to 1.47 square miles. Roughly 4% of the area that we inhabit is water. Over a period of a year, we have between
50 and 60 in of waterfalls on land. Where do you think that 50 or 60 ines goes? It ends up in your lakes. Most of it because what we've done is we've cut down all the trees, all the foliage which used to provide a buffer for
water. It would cons it it would it would take in five times its volume in the water and wouldn't let it run. The minute we took all that away, we've effectively allowed water to run everywhere. So, if we consider that
today we're speaking about Clear Lakes, the other week we're speaking about somewhere else. Next week it'll be something we've got a problem with our infrastructure because we're not capable of dealing with the water that's running off our land. What we really need to do
is look, if you've got a city, people put round highways around the city. Yeah. What we should be looking to do is see if we can use pipes that are already in the ground round about the city to transfer water between one area and another area. We already have water
coming from Altimont Springs up to Lust Road. Is there any way we can cut into those pipes? Is there any way we can take water to Lust Road? Is there any way that that water can be processed at Lust Road and fed back into the city recl reclamation water system? The
answer is yes. The answer is it only takes a little bit of imagination, a little bit of vision. Not about the money that the city might have to spend today. It's what the city is going to have to spend tomorrow when it can't solve its problems.
Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Uh, my name is Richard Withers. I live at 2436 Windham Bay Place in Clear Lakes Estates. One of 42 homes in that subdivision. You heard the number 142 a little while ago.
And that sounds pretty accurate based on my observations. Uh, there's been a bunch of houses that have been put in across the lake from us. And you know what? The water went up about proportionally to the number of houses that were thrown in there. Now, this is
not something the Clear Lakes Estate's residents approved or asked for. This is something that the city or one of its departments approved and apparently approved it without thinking that what happens if the proposed drainage system,
which is tiny on this map or on this photograph, uh what happens if that fails? Where's the water going to go? Well, of course, it's going to go into the lake and then from the lake into our backyards. We've got about what, Gregory? 30 trees that
are dead standing there. Yeah. Behind our property. I'm afraid to let anybody, including my grandchildren, go back there because one of those trees can fall on them. I mean, it's a danger.
You're my neighbor. I watched your tree. Okay. Fall right over. Okay. All right. Let him speak. Yeah, he's right. it, you know, when that when that ground was soggy, the trees that didn't fall died. So, but there's a bunch of dead trees back there, and I invite any of you to come
in. I'll be glad to give you the gate code. Come in and look at all the dead trees between us and the lake. Option number two seems to me to make sense. Now, there may be technical reasons why it does not make sense, but
from a visceral standpoint, the idea of transferring the water from Clearwater Lake over to Lake Aapka or even into the sojustly named Mud Lake would make a lot more sense. Now, I have one question for you. What
was wrong with option number two? What what is the technical reason or the financial reason or whatever reason why it couldn't have been selected? Question number two, who's going to maintain this system that you're proposing? I think it's going to be the homeowners. And what we're going to have is homeowner
dues that go up and up and up and who knows what responsible person is going to maintain and operate that system. Third thing that concerned me was the term of the permits that have been secured. Apparently, the permits are based on water levels. Um,
that's a strange situation, but I I urge you not to act on the city's proposal until you've considered the matters raised tonight. Sylvester Hall, Rock Springs Ridge. Um, first thing I want to talk about is the corn. The mayor reached that out before
every public comment. When my neighbor was up here speaking, Mr. Abby trying to give some good advice. You should have watched what the mayor was doing. Wasn't paying him no attention whatsoever. Looking down, looking around just as he
wasn't even saying anything. Now, I wish we could go back and roll the tape to give everybody here. We're on We're on the Clear Lake solution. Can you just state I'm I'm with the Clear Lake. Thank you. Just Just sit. Let me talk. Let me let me talk. Thank you.
go back and roll the tape and that gives you some insight so you wouldn't ask the question, what do you want us to do about it? We want the problem fixed. They want the problem fixed. Two, three years ago, I took a I went to the Griffin's home. I walked around. You
couldn't walk out two or three feet without the water right there and it's mud, monkey, and and and everything. They worrying about trees. I'm worrying about alligans. Forget the trees. What about alligators
looking out there? Any little toddler running around, they gone. They missing. You don't know where they at or quote unquote your pet. So when we look at things, bring this to full circle. Miss Griffin brought up Texas.
When a national disaster happen if you are not doing what you supposed to do because all you up there a front line for public safety keeping the public safe that's your job.
So now if you derelct on that when a natural disaster happen that you can't control but you didn't have your stuff in order in the first place for you. Okay. But for the family
members whose bodies are floating in water it's not okay for them. And so, mayor, when you look at this, you would think three years, four years, however long it's been going
on, that we knew about it. We should be better prepared with a solution, a permanent solution, not a temporary solution. And at no cost should anybody from that community have to foot a bill for something that we're doing. Mr.
Olsson comes up here all the time and tell you guys about that's his pet peeve infrastructure. We just building building and nobody pay attention to him just like you did when Mr. Eie was up here talk. Abby was up here talking giving you solutions
but you're too arrogant to take them and that needs to stop. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. All right. I just want to close out. I mean, one of the things that hadn't been brought up is so if you look at the
residential usage in Clear Lake for last or 2024, I guess an average year we had there was 50 million gallons of water that was used by Clear Lake landing. So 50,475,000 gallons.
So and and I know this is an inaccurate number but Vlad just is just a round number which probably half of that would be would get back to the groundwater back to the lake half of it would be either transper you know evapo transpiration or
or I mean just I know that's a that's this is real inaccurate science. Yeah this is a more difficult question. Right. Right. Roughly maybe between 20 and 30% will go to
back to the lake. So you you to evaporation and and the rest of it will go into the lakes and it will stay in the groundwater. Okay. So So whatever that number is. So we're going to take let's say 25 million gallons out of the out of the the system every year
if they if they went on to went to their own HOA irrigation system. And the average homeowners, 142 of them, so their their average bill per month is 10,498.97. So if you take 142
uh divided by the or 10,000 divided by the 142 units, the average water bill for Clear Lake Landing is $74 a month. So you do the math, you're you know every anyway how you figure out the loan
it you're you're saving money. The homeowners are saving money by having their own irrigation system. Would that be a fair statement, Vlad? Or you don't you don't need to answer that. But it you're you're you're paying right now you're paying $74 a month. And by having this you don't have
to pay you don't have to pay for irrigation. You have to pay for the pumps. You have to pay for the depreciation on the pumps. get it on. You got to pay for the electricity. But there's no way that this doesn't make financial sense for the the HOA, for Clear Lake Landing HOA, and make sense
for the city, makes sense for the all the folks around Clear Lake to reduce the water going into the lake. We know it's got to make a difference because we're now not adding new water to the Clear Lake um uh system
and we're giving you a a way to to irrigate your yard with your own, you know, HOA water. So anyway, I I I you know, I'm happy to meet again with the the HOA. Uh but I I I just would need to put that on the record that that that
there there is savings to the HOA. there is savings and we know there will be water less water going into Clear Lake if they're not on city reclaimed water. So, well, so I mean it's they're they're saving what $50 a month max which is a
number, but at the same time their lives and their homesteads are more important than $50. So, there's a balance here that that we need to take in. There was a couple questions that were asked I think do need to be addressed. Why? I guess walk us through why not option two for this which would be to pump service
water to Northshore reclaim water treatment plant. Well, I'm not sure. I wasn't involved in the project so I just Well, just from your knowledge and you you've been here years uh just from experience, walk us through just what that looks like if we were to choose
that option. So, we're talking about option two, correct? Well, of course they will have to be permanent as well, right? Through It would go under our permit though, correct? That would be our permit. They will have to go through our permit, right?
Correct. So that will involve additional treatment, uh, additional filtration, additional pump station like similar to what we're doing at Border Lake. Uh it's a way longer route to go down.
Basically, it will follow the same route that was used for the emergency pumping to go down the road. I don't recall the name of the road. I think it's Avian Point Drive, maybe like that. and then come down to Lust and then it
will have to go under 429 and somewhere into the canal where at that point it can potentially be pulled into the pump station to be taken into the into the Northshore facility. So wouldn't just to clarify and again as
a laid person it does it have to go through specific piping or can this go through um inlets and and BMS and things of that nature to get there? this case it will have to go through a piping. Okay. Do we have any of that infrastructure in place that we could tap into now?
No. No. Because that's why the emergency pumping was done pretty much following the same route because we didn't have any. That was the shorter distance. Okay. So, if we did want to do it, it'd be a high high cost. I mean, this comes down to dollars and cents. Yeah. It will be significantly higher.
Okay. I think it's I'm sorry, he's not finishing. I just want to finish the the gentleman asked a few questions I just think are important. So um who who would be maintaining the system if we were to do option one? We discussed that it would be the HOA.
Yes. So this is a interesting question because all private infrastructure is typically maintained by the HOA in this particular case. It's a gated community. So they're responsible for the roads. They're responsible for the storm water system.
They're not responsible for the utilities because those pipes are on and the utilities are provided by the city. But let's say a failure occurs on the road or a failure occurs on the any portion any segment of the storm water
system that will be caused that will have to be covered by the a will be responsible for that. That's on the plat. That's how the plat is recorded. I didn't did research before this. I was just looking at that while you guys were discussing it. So
it would be the same thing with any other private uh segment of the infrastructure within that particular let's say. So you're kind of equating to private streets kind of a private utility is is what this is suggesting. Yes. Okay. So so they would be exclusively uh
in responsible for maintaining the system. Um and then you just had concerns over the permit uh uh concerns of of what was in the permit itself. What really bothered me or struck a chord in me with what you said was that you're scared to have your grandkids go out uh to go play in the
backyard. That's really concerning to me. Is there a way that we can work with staff to get some of those trees taken down, assuming that they will the HOA agrees to that to to mitigate the safety issue that is occurring there? Because does it come down today, tomorrow, will it fall down in a month?
That's a really big safety concern for me. I can I mean, yes. I guess the answer is I'm sure we could do that. Would the council have a be willing to look into that? Um that's a big safety concern to not have kids be able to play in their
backyard. That's um that that really struck a chord in me that that really bothered me there. So I don't know if the council has a a say, you know, a desire to do that to take care of some of these trees. Okay. Yeah. First of all, it' be a legal
question because we're talking about now city employees going on private property, correct? Gated community. So, I guess I think we're kind of having an open discussion that should have been more so a private discussion with the HOA with the engineer like a workshop with them to
figure out which option they want to choose. So, I think we can go back to the drawing board because we really don't they this is the first time from my understanding they're hearing about some of this. So it needs to be presented in a different form I think so they can really understand kind of what the options are and I just think there's
so many options and I think this limited time is just not the setting for it. I think they need to have the opportunity to sit down with the engineer sit out with HOA sit out with the different members in the community and that they decide which option is best for them. Yes. And that that was kind of the intention of the presentation to give
you an update of where we are. not asking you to make any decision on anything because ultimately yeah that needs to be discussed again with the HOA but but from my understanding they're saying that they wasn't aware of this presentation. So I think it's just important lack of communication here it seems like a real big issue. So I think it's
important now for us just I guess schedule a meeting so that way we can kind of with them so they can figure out what's best best for them and we have no problem everybody that's going away are my friends they will sign
I would have it on their desk I mean it's similar to the right of entry that we have for the border lake project same concept of having pumps on private property um and again I mean it's not just the trees are a big deal but it's the insects that are sitting there, the alligators that were
referenced as well. I mean, it's it's a there's a lot going on there of just safety, snakes. Yeah. Just a lot a lot going on there. So, I mean, can we would the council have a would we be open to doing a workshop to have this dialogue because it seems like this was just
really premature. I think we do need a workshop with just the Absolutely. Yeah. Let's do it. A workshop. Okay. All right. So, let's let's get a date. the workshop. Let's let's do a let's figure out a
specific date that we can do and then confirm with the HOAs or maybe do two two or three different dates that we can all work and then the HOA can let us know what works best for them. So we got talking about all four HOAs, right? Is it three? Three and a private private. Yeah.
Yeah. So we got some Yeah. So we can get it back together. Well, the problem and not that not that it doesn't affect everyone, but we're only kind of charging or saying that we would charge one HOA though, but well, there there's
there's all No. Well, it doesn't make sense for the smaller community. Then the price of the pump and the and the infrastructure wouldn't make sense to do that one. The reason we just picked Clear Lake Landing is because it's a bigger the pump
station is a pump station. For the smaller community, it's only 40 homes. It it wouldn't it wouldn't be financially feasible for them to do that. This one, because of the larger community size, it makes financial sense for them. So, but um
that doesn't seem like it's their opinion that it makes sense for them. Which again, let's So, let's So, what's some dates that that make sense for everybody who's out of town? We got a We got a August the 6. We want to
do it at 5:00. You want to do it before? You want to do it on the 20th of August before city council? We have a CRA meeting that day. Oh, CRA meeting at 6th. We have the CRA meeting. We should do spend an hour. We do it an
hour. We'll do it at five. Knock off. I said we knock it out. We do five o'clock on the 20th. The 20th we have the CR. You have the council meeting. No, because I don't want to rush this because 20th unless we're going to have new information there, which I don't think
we're going to at that point. 20th. So, the next one will be September. It doesn't necessarily have to be a meeting night or day. We do August 13th, August 27th. August 12th, August 14th,
21st. Let me know. All right. So, I'm I'm out of town the 14th and 15th and the 18th. And the 18th. Okay. Let's Can we aim for August 13th as one of the dates? Like 6
PM. Okay. That one's open for me. and then and then send a a memo out to our residents and let them know what our goals are here and that this will be an open form for them to discuss options. League of Cities. I've got Oh, is it League of Cities? I thought it
started the 14th. The League of Cities. Oh, that is League of Cities. Yeah, we'll be at the um Florida League of Cities. It starts on the 13th. I I do. I'm on the League of Mayors. It starts on the 14th, but he'll be I go on as well. Yeah. For the boards.
What about uh what if we do like a a week? Which Tuesday? The 12th. Yeah, absolutely. That works. What? The 12th. Tuesday. It works. Works for Tuesday. It works. Okay.
That's perfect. Yeah. August 12th. And let's just make sure obviously that we reach out to the residents and and get them confirmed as well. Mayor, we have a planning commission meeting that night. Oh, that's right. PNC. So, make it 6:30. That's usually up no more than an hour. Bobby, what does that look like?
Um, he's saying the meeting. Yeah. Bobby saying there's a heavy agenda that night. It is a heavy agenda. Yeah. B&Z. I forget that they have theirs on Tuesdays. So, that won't work. Let's do that Monday the 11th.
Can we do the 11th? What about the 11th? I'm good. The 11th. Will that work? The 11th. The 11th. August 11th. August 11th. It's a Monday. A Monday. Not yet. Not yet. August 11th.
Six. Six o'clock. Six o'clock. Commissioner, can I just get on this? Can you come up here and ask just so everyone can hear all your residents that are watching, please? Just for clarification. So, we're going
to do August 11th, 6 o'clock. Are we bringing Clear Lake Estates, Clear Lake Landings, the boards only? Are we doing the community? How are we doing that? Community. communities. Both communities. Mhm. Okay. Are we going to have a plan of
action prior to that or we just going to sharpshoot it when we all show up there? I guess that's the that's the issue. I mean, I I don't know internally if we can start having staff come up with some just taking feedback
from tonight, maybe coming up with some additional options and then maybe narrowing those down, giving us prices, timelines, things of that nature. I I think I I just like to see a couple options besides everything being put on Clear Lake because we're 142 and um we're not smaller or anything like that. I don't
think it's too fair for the residents uh our residents over there. Um so I I'd like to see two or three different options brought up before the 11th if if possible and then that way we can share that out and then we all know what we're sitting down to and then we can have an open discussion from that off of the two or three
options. I think that's actually a great idea. Okay. you all probably meet prior what what are your thoughts so that way on the um I guess with the HOA president and the engineer and maybe the mayor you guys kind of sit down prior to that meeting
so we can kind of have an agenda in regards to some additional options. The last meeting I had it was this is the way it's going to go and this is it. I'm not moving. So, I'd like to be able to have two or three options that's fair for everybody, including Clear Lake Estates, even though that
we're being forced the burden of paying for everything. I I want to see a better option. You're not being forced to I mean, that's a little that's a little mischaracterization. It's not However you want to take it, mayor. I understand. Huh? I sat at your desk. I understand. However you want to take it.
No. No. But is I mean then are my numbers wrong or No, your numbers look great on paper, but you're forgetting the thing about maintaining it. Is it going to last five years? Is it going to Nobody knows. So I agree with that. I probably won't live in Clear Lake landed in 10 years. So I want to make
sure that when I'm no longer the board president, I agree. The residents that are there are not putting a financial burden and they're don't go, "Hey, that guy, remember when he went up?" I don't want that. So I'm going to make sure that we have to maintain it. Is a pump going to last three years under Florida's weather and
harsh winds? Five years? What's the electric bill each month? Nobody knows. So, yeah, your $75 when you're saying, "Yeah, they're going to save some money. It looks great, but we got to put up we got to maintain the fence. We got to insure it. We got to maintain it. We got to pay an electric bill. We got to fix
it. What happens if it blows over? We got to pay another 450." Now, in five years, it might be a million. We have no idea. So, there's a lot of uncertainty. So when you're doing your drawing board, it looks great. Like like I said, it's lipstick on a pig. We got other things that we have to worry about as well.
That's what I want to focus on on the on the five. I like to have I I do everything on five year, 10 year, 15 year plans. I'd like to do that with this project as well. All right. Thank you all. All right. Okay. Thank you all for being here tonight, too. I really appreciate the feedback. It's helpful.
Okay. Consent agenda. We got five consent agenda items. Does anybody need to pull them? So, did we decide for August 11th? August 11th. Yep. Okay. Anybody pull any of the consent agenda items from public either? Okay. If not, look for a motion to approve the five consent
agenda items. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I oppose. Motion carries unanimous. Next up, street closure. Cindy. Good evening, mayor, commissioners.
Cindy Edwards, interim parks and recreation director. I'm here tonight to request the authorization for street closures for the one-year anniversary of Just Like Mama's. They're celebrating with a car and Jeep show. The street closures are requested
in the special event permit applications for one-year anniversary of Just Like Mama's Car and Jeep Show event. The event date requested is August 2nd, 2025. The special event permit application was submitted for the event. The requested street closure is on Fifth
Street from Park to Central Avenue with access to the Fifth Street parking lot and the community center. road closure to begin at 12 pm on August 2nd, 2025 and to reopen at 8:00 PM. The permit has been reviewed by staff, including the
police and fire department and are recommended for approval. Uh the DRC recommended approval of the special event permit application along with the provided street closures at the July 9th, 2025 DRC meeting with the contingency that they would make changes
to the map showing the ingress and egress which they did. Um the map and the COI has been received and we had final approval this morning at DRC. So, the staff recommends that city council approve the requested street
closure as part of the one-year anniversary of Just Like Mamas. Any questions for staff? I just got a couple questions. Thank you so much for for providing this info, Mrs. Spartman. Congratulations on one year. It's very exciting. We did to confirm we have received insurance. That is true. Yes, we have.
And then the only other one was similar to what we do for um the the Fifth Street Market. Yes. We provide offduty officers or overtime officers out there at no charge to the market. Is that something we can do as well for this event?
Because I remember when we originally had uh approved the market, it was we we had questions of will this be these same terms or something similar be provided to other vendors in the area and the answer was yes at that time. Yeah. So, Commissioner Neesa, um the Market on Fifth Street event, uh does
have a special event license uh agreement in place and what we did with that event, uh part of obtaining obtaining that special event license agreement, we did require basically the event to have a pro proof of concept. So, um Propagate did start the event on
their property. They then moved over to the parking lot for a little bit and they ran that event for quite quite some time before we did enter into that special event license agreement. Okay. But I mean it's one it's a very similar event with similar vendors. There's and to confirm there's no
charge. We're not you're not doing any charging at all other than the vehicles to be there. Yes. If you can step up to I'm so sorry to ask. Thank you so much. Just so everyone can hear. Yes. The um the vehicles they um they're getting like a trophy. It's literally a
show. So not the spectators. Originally, we had the spectators, but we realized um last week when Cindy and um Lexi from the city talked and we talked about it and that would be difficult and my sister came down last week and seen how it would run into the other businesses
and we didn't want the spectators to be charged because we couldn't contain that. So, um but there it's free. It's free for the public. It's free for the spectator. It's just not free for the vendors and the cars that's entering.
Sure. The the show contestants to speak. Okay. Understood. Thank you for for clarifying that. And I think again I the the point when at least my listening to you, but when when I had approved um or at least voted for for the market and for that license agreement that it was
it's activating a downtown space and we want to promote that and not hurt vendors from coming down. We want to make it a a vibrant downtown and help businesses with that. So, I think this is right in line with that same thing to be able to offer, especially since they're not charging at all to offer
that same uh concept and those same um certain things that that we can do. And I think that the best way we can do it is with those overtime officers, at least take that um cost from them. I agree. I I would I would say thank you for that because that would be I mean
this is going to be a big event I say because and I was I I'm thankful to my neighbors um proper um three odd guys even the smoke shop and all of the other neighbors that my son went around and asked for their permission and their approval and they gave it like willingly
and um and it was great because I just because this is my first year and um I have has some issues, but at the same time, I feel like they all can eat. And I said that in my letter, my thank you letter
to them. I said, "Let's eat." So that means I mean, for those that don't know that everybody can profit from this event and so when you win, right? So even if it's not this um on August 2nd, somebody might not might have not known that proper gate was
there or Halls on Fifth was there or you know but they can come back to the neighborhood and know that just like mama's there you know and they might not even come for just like mama's but just the car show now they know that we're all there. So it's it's it's beneficial to the city. It's beneficial to the
businesses in the city. So Riley on Main Street, what did did we or Sah did we did we charge them for off duty or what was Yeah. So the uh the only event currently
on Fifth Street that is has the offduty officers included is the market on Fifth with the special event license permit. And again the uh the market on Fifth was required. they did run the event on their own to to kind of prove that the
event was a success and then approached the city and and talked about partnering in that way, which I hear you on that. Absolutely. No, I get that. I just think it it's definitely beneficial. Again, it's activating a space downtown and making sure that we're marketing other businesses as well. It's not just going to be just like Mamas that wins from
this. It's going to be all of our uh Fifth Street merchants. Uh so, this really is it's an affordable thing that we can help so that more projects like this can continue to happen. to support these small businesses and and help the growth in this area. H
how many officers are we required? Two. Two. Well, I I'm I'm okay doing it. I just But we need to be cons We got need to be consistent. If we didn't charge We charge Main Street. Now, we're going to
let just like mama's get it for free. Yet, I mean, I think if you want to set it up as in October, we do it. We put it as a as a part of our budget, you know, fine for next year. So, on on year number two, she wants to come back and do it. You know, everybody has the same
opportunity for a free free um uh offduty officers. I mean, would that be a And if you do recall at the budget workshop, we did discuss the proposed nonprofit grant community event and cultural event program uh that that
would be eligible for this funds. Now, it she'd have to partner with a nonprofit organization to to uh That's a different beast. I think that's a a different avenue of funds that I don't think would apply to this. So, I think again I think it makes sense.
Again, it helps the downtown businesses do what they need to do. And they're being marketed there. It's walking traffic. That's the whole point of this downtown that we've been trying to create is walkability. And these events, we need to help those as much as possible because it benefits everybody down there. So, so if we want to refund Main Street,
let's do that. But I think this makes sense to help with this because it's bringing such a diverse uh uh new Okay. event downtown. So is it possible to because I know that's that's a special licensing event that we have like on an ongoing basis. So can we create a process where they can apply for a
temporary like like you know annually when they're having like a one event where they can actually apply for it. We're not a continuous. I think that's kind of what we're trying to create. So I would just staff would need direction on what you would like us to qualify those events for. Okay. So how would we qualify? I mean, I think
it's as simple as anything on Fifth Street around these merchants that's benefiting everybody that should get it. They should benefit from. I mean, again, we're trying to activate this space, really create something incredible. This is a very affordable way to ensure that these events keep coming because that's what we want. These are how all
of our businesses are going to be successful. So, I guess we can say some just boundaries, I guess, what you're trying to say, which businesses would be able to qualify for this temporary how so similar to how we've kind of presented some grant opportunity programs. Maybe there's an appetite to explore an additional avenue
so that we can kind we would want to staff would need some clear direction on how to approve which. I don't think that's hard to to navigate and I'm I think that's great to do to down the road moving forward to get some clarity and and make sure everybody doesn't have any ambiguity on who
qualifies and who doesn't. But I think for this one especially again we're celebrating a one year of a restaurant in a very tough economy. Let's promote this. Let's This is a very small number to assist everybody to benefit from this.
So I that'd be at the pleasure of the board. I can't wave a fee. So I I would move to approve this road closure and approve uh us funding the uh offduty overtime officers as well for the event. So moved.
How much are we talking about? Two $55 an hour. This is two officers. 55 55 time 2 * 8 eight $8808 especially if we're going to be moving towards a a process where we're going to be allowing this I think
yeah so that's a move and then a second so where does that expense go to because for offduty we have to pay we have to put those funds back in So, for a typical special event permit process, it goes through roll call. Um,
if we change this up tonight, I'd get with the police chief and we'd have to fund it out of the city budget. That's already budgeted for overtime and things of that nature. And I just want to add that I honestly I was so nervous. So much stuff done
happened to me. I mean, it has nothing to do with anybody on the board, but so much stuff done happened to me. And I'm not even gonna say it's personal, but it has happened to me before cuz the first time I ever stood up here, I was complaining about um Dave Witty. And um
so I just want to throw that back out there on record um that I was wrong during that time. And so much stuff has has happened to me. So for you, even if you guys don't approve that, for you to even bring it up to um propose something like that to pay
for the offduty officers, that's that means a lot to me because I mean I'm just a single I mean I'm married but that's here no there. Um pretty much single mom that's ranging
raising three children. So, I mean, that has raised two and still raising one right now. So, I'm I'm just a single, you know, business owner, small black business owner. And I hate to throw race out there, but it's true. I am. So,
Chief, there's no need to speak. Uh, I have a nonprofit that'll take care of the police for you. No problem. Thank you. All right. There we go. So, we got a motion to approve the road closure. of
street closure for the one-y year anniversary of Just Like Mama's Jeep Car Show. Got a motion by Commissioner Nester, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Border Lake
lad. And then we will before you start, we will be having some type of approach for people to apply for that or or create boundaries or parameters for what that looks like moving forward. Correct. Uh I'll get together with staff and we'll work on getting a proposal together for the next budget workshop.
Okay. Thank you. All right. It's me again. Uh, for the record, VM Simonoski, public works director. Um, good evening, mayor, commissioners. What we're bringing in front of you tonight is a request to approve staff to
continue the rental of pumps for the Border Lake pumping project through the end of the authorization period. Uh, the Border Lake temporary flood mitigation plan started on June 26th of this year and is performing as anticipated. Lake elevation reductions are progressing
according to engineering projections with target levels expected to be achieved in all lakes um as of today. Uh this was approved through a budget amendment by the city council on March 5th, 2025. Uh we have additional funding
in the amount of $25,784,000 from the storm water fund to complete the first pumping phases. This current authorization allows the city to be on the residents premises until August 30th. The city staff requested council
the city staff request council approval for additional funding to maintain the rental of pumping equipment through the end of the authorization period in the event of unexpected severe weather events that could compromise recent progress. If the rental company removes
the pumps, it will be difficult to set them up again and complete any additional pumping by the end of the period of August of 30th due to availability. We would also have to pay for the mobilization and setup cost all over again and any additional funding needed will be covered by the stormwater
fund. So that's our request for tonight. Before jumping this, did we do public comment on the last business item? No. We should probably go back to that correctly. Anybody wants to come up and speak about the road closure?
Don't be so excited about it. I'm all in favor of everything being fair and equitable and what we do for one city business, we should do for another city business. There should certainly be no favoritism. However, can someone perhaps remind me why I have
some memory of CRA funds being used for offduty officers? I remember seeing invoices that CRA funding was used for road closure for some of these events. Anybody else?
Okay. Oh. Perfect. um Virginia Street, Pompesta Drive, Pop, Florida. I I'm a little disappointed um about why it was
such a discussion item about whether the city would pay for the officers. Um, I I personally know the challenges the one year that
uh just like mama's has been open. I don't know all of them, but I've seen some of the challenges and um you know, I'm sitting over there $50 four times four times two.
We really going to divide over that. We can't. The city can't find that money when you can find money to put everywhere else. I mean, why does the commissioner got to come up with it? Why does that have to happen?
That's just a shame to me that um there was even a discussion about who's going to pay for that. Come on. I mean, the restaurant is right there in the middle of Fifth Street. It's in the middle and she's trying to
bring different clientele into the place so that the other business and everybody else has said they agree. But the city's going to argue over paying for the police officers. Thank you, Commissioner Smith, for stepping
up. But it really should be eggs on y'all's face about why the city can't pay for that. He shouldn't have to go in his nonprofit to pay for it. Why can't the decision be made now to reverse that and get the city to pay for the officers? Tell me why.
Why? What the reason why we cannot get the city to pay for two officers $55 for four hours? I was a math and computer science major and I I calculated that pretty quick
and it's a drop in the bucket compared to the budget that I sat there in Boise, Idaho and looked at online of the money that's available in this city. Now, I don't get upset real easy, but this really
sat on my nerves because I watched her. I watched her for one year. People beating her down and she come up anyway. I watched it when she let the homeless people come in to eat and got opposition from it.
So, please reconsider that. take the burden off of him and let the city do what it's supposed to do. Do the right thing for a change. Do the right thing. Thank you. Sylvester Hall, Rock Springs Ridge. Mayor, I'm going to keep beating you up
on that decorum up there when you when when people up here talking. Just look like you're interested. Even if you're not, just look like you're interested. Looking at the I don't care what you're looking at, sir. But that's disrespectful us. You up here talking to somebody. And we don't we teach our kids to have better eye contact than that.
So act like you're interested. It's only two two uh two days out of the out of the month. Act like you're interested even when you're not. And here's the thing for everybody who's sitting out there. Remember four years, mayor, and you remember the day I came back because I told you I'm back cuz we got that
history and you know the history that I'm talking about. But Commissioner Alexander uh Smith, I was sitting back there. I'm like, I'm watching the mayor facial expression. Clearly, he don't want to
support it. Because anybody who sit back there like I did for the last four years, you'll know when the mayor want to support someone when he don't. You'll know who he likes and who he don't like. Cuz he don't have a poker face. And that's why I try to tell y'all when you when you talking about leadership,
setting the example. When I talk about public safety, you guys are the front line. When we talk about downtown growth, businesses come here for our support, trying to increase our downtown to look
like the Beverly Hill building when you compare it to some of the other surrounding communities. Every election year, we'll have to talk about downtown, the things that we want to do after that
election year go by. I I haven't seen that one building go up downtown. And as I told you before, if you close your eyes and look back 40 years, that downtown almost look the same 40 years ago. Why? Because certain people have certain
vision. And if you don't fit in their vision, you don't get a seat at the table. Commissioner Becker tried to come in and promote that growth. Well, if you don't fit in my culture,
no, I'm not going to listen. And that hurts the city. That hurts the residents. And if you don't know the big picture, how you going to understand the issues or the or the or the complications that
your decisions that you're making when you don't understand the big picture? If you don't understand how to be a parent, you would think it's okay to go smoke weed with your with your kid because you don't understand the big picture. And so if y'all don't understand the big
picture of your seat, what you're doing for the city and the responsibility you have, you need to relinquish that seat because as we see now, thank you. It's Sylvester life or death situation on some of the
decisions that you make for the residents. Thank you. Anybody else? Go back to motion. We had a motion by Commissioner Neesa, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
All right, Vlad, back up. Sorry. No. Do we go through the same request again or just Okay. So, start start wherever you you were. Yeah. Yes. Not sure where you were.
Yeah. So the request is to approve staff to continue. Yeah. So any questions for Vlad? So we have uh right of entry forms that were forwarded to us. Correct. Um we have some that were presented in March
or I guess signed in March and then new ones I guess that were signed in June. Who got the signatures for these right of entry forms? I think the reason for it was uh those that were in March and those that were
in June, the June ones were the previously they were signed by the by the renters, not by the original owners of the property. So that was the question that came back from the water management district that they wanted the owners actually to sign the right of entry.
Well, understood. Who got these signatures? Who went out and got these signatures? I believe the one ideas between the mayor and so the mayor you went out to go get these as well. Yes.
Okay. Both both of these. So the March and the Junes, you went out to go get these. I didn't get the June ones. I got the March ones. Some of them. I didn't get them all. Who got the June ones? No, he got those. Okay. So, the June ones
don't seem complete compared to the ones that we got in March where there's driver's license numbers, um, proper names in there, things of that nature. It's not they don't match the same one versus the other.
So, who I guess accepted the new ones that aren't complete versus the ones that were complete previously? I don't know. license numbers on those forms. Correct. And they weren't redacted before they were they were not.
So these are again the new ones don't have this. So these aren't complete forms is my concern. And then there's some addresses that are part of the
original stack and there's new addresses that are part of the new stack. So, inconsistencies on new forms there. Why do we take some out and then add some? I guess the question to the attorney, is there a a um is these forms still
considered valid without the driver license on it or does it really matter? The form had nothing to do with with valid. It only had to do with St. John's Water Management wanted them. Correct. And did they accept these? They were accepted by the district. Yes. And the permit was issued based on that.
So it's that was a condition for the permit. So the permit was issued based on that. So they requested these updated forms then they are the ones who requested the update. Correct. Okay. And they accepted them. So what it looks like too in comparing the signatures from the old ones to the
new ones, they look lifted uh from the original forms. So it it again they're incomplete and they look lifted. So, I just want to make sure the homeowners that did sign these understand that they have an extended
date to them now as well. So, I just again if you've got concerns and you can vote against it, then that that would be fine. I just want to make sure we're not getting ourselves into an issue that somebody says, "I didn't know that you guys extended it." Okay. All right. So, we have Do we have confirmation from all these home? Like, if I go to their
house tomorrow, they're going to say, "Yes, I understand that it was extended till August 30th." I don't know. Excuse me. I don't know. How did we get these signatures then? I don't know. I didn't do it. I mean, it was Don that that got the signatures.
Yeah. I'm not sure about the one from March. I don't have a copy of that. Those that I have here with me, they're all till August 30th of this year. Yeah, those are the new ones. Okay. The old ones don't. And again, there there's one that's 2608 Big Lake Lane, I think
it is. that's on the original one. So from March that is not part of the new ones. And then there's a new one 1250 Ponta road that's not part of the old ones but it's part of the new ones. So I just again I just want to make sure
that we're not getting ourselves into trouble at all or I guess why is there an inconsistency with those as well? I don't know. Okay. Well, this was your project. You've been pushing pushing pushing. So, surprising you don't have that detail
there. Okay. Any other questions for Vlad? See, just not a good answer. Got it. Um I just I just for clarification purposes, they did accept these forms. Yes. Okay. And the residents are aware of the
extension. I asked that. Mayor said he has no idea. Well, I wasn't there. I don't know. I didn't I didn't get their their affirmative answer. I mean, and so but we're asking for a vote to extend to have to approve
the extension, right? But we haven't we don't know if the residents are aware of it. Yes. St. John's is signed off on it. That's St. John's is the only one that that matters. They're the ones that told us that we needed we needed the the
homeowner forms when and then we found out that there were a couple of them that were rentals and we had to go not only get the the tenant but we had to get the homeowner to get the sign off. So that was part of the reason it took extra time. And then when we found out we had to add the church then that took
some extra time which I had to run them down trying to find a church that didn't have any not a phone number not an email. It was that was a you know took took a while. So between that and lumen it was that's what took the the bulk of the time
trying to what what put us back. Yeah. And and the lumen right of entry is good for 365 days which technically will come to June 19 I believe of next year. Well I just want to make sure I think yes St. John's is important but I want to make sure the residents are aware too
that we're extending this. So again that those are my qu that's my question. I just want to make sure that they are on board as well. That was my only question. Our residents are important and keeping them informed is important. So, I just want to make sure that they truly are the ones that sign these. So, that that's my questioning and
that's why I'm asking it. I want to make sure our residents are informed. We already had that issue tonight of lack of communication with HOAs. So, again, we're having issues with that again. Okay. Okay. So, as long as you guys say these are good and we don't have any issues with these at all and that the
residents are aware of them, then we can move forward. Okay. Any other questions? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Albert McKim 363 Golden Gem. I'm a little bit concerned that these forms
don't match. If we've got addresses on one set of forms that are slightly different, even if it's only on one form on the other side, does that mean that we've operated in somebody's yard
without permission? Did we set up a pump in somebody's yard that we didn't know about? Is there any potential liability if there's an accident because we set up or
we haven't set up without permission. See all you constantly hear me say when we normalize the abnormal we desensitize the truth to the point the truth doesn't matter. I'm just trying to think to myself, why is the mayor out getting signatures?
It's something that seems abnormal to me that the mayor be out getting signatures. So, we desensitize it like it ain't nothing. Then when we question things like laws matters, procedures matters,
rules matters, accountability matters. You remember those character matters. But it reminds me of a story I heard in church the other day. There was a scorpion
that wanted to cross the lake and he came up to a frog and he asked the frog, he said, "Will you take me across the lake?" And the frog say, "Sure, I don't mind, but you're going to sting me. You're going to kill me." And the scorpion said, "Nah, I wouldn't
do that because we'll both die." So the frog and his better judgment agreed. So he hopped on the frog back and they started moing across the lake. Sure enough, halfway across
the scorpion stings and he the frog looked up at the scorpion said, "Why did you do that? Now we'll both die." And the scorpion said, "I just couldn't resist. That's what I do."
So, I don't blame you guys because the moral of the story, even in death, he still couldn't resist doing what he do. Even when things are brought to you in clear vision, you guys keep doing the
same thing because it's just who you are. But you're not the problem. The problem is everybody sitting behind me and everybody who voted for you without doing any vetting.
And I told the ones that I did voted for and you know who I voted for. And I told you one thing I was going to do is hold you accountable for doing right by the people. That's my vote that I served 21 years
and risk my life for you to have that privilege and that's what I do every city council meeting. So if you wonder why I'm here, that's why I'm here. Anybody else? Okay. If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to
approve the Border Lake pumping project. Well, I just want to say before a motion that I I will agree to this with the understanding these are accurate and true. That's the only thing I have to go off is that the residents know what you provided. They know that we are extending this. So, I will motion that with Mr.
Da Mr. I'm reading the right of entry. The last the last paragraph says the right of entry will expire August 30th. Yeah. Are we extending it beyond that? No. No. The first ones they had first ones signed in March and in May that expired
in June and July. Those were originally signed. Okay. So, we got I don't I don't have those. No, those were referenced back when we first approved this and I had asked for copies of these to review them. So, that's what this is.
I'm looking at the one dated June 20th. Correct. Those are the updated ones. There's original ones though. Okay. Anything else? Got a motion by Commissioner Neesa, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I.
All oppose. Motion carries. Next up, ordinance number 3112. All right. Take a five minute break. He's always the last one and he whines about it. Okay, we next up ordinance number 3112.
Oh, Susan. Where is Susan? I think went to the ladies start. I believe the quorum would have been to wait for both of us to be at our seats before we started the meeting. Glad Susan coming. Ants. No problem.
All right. Ordinance number 3112. Ordinance number 3112. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044.
The here and after described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida owned by Reed Marvin Wayne and Reed Susan Thomas located at 1920 Sheieler Avenue comprising 40.16 acres
more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective date. Any changes? Bobby, anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Rod Olsson 3156 rolling hills lane here in Apopka. Uh
this represents 115 units represents 41 students and again five of 15 schools in Apopka are over capacity. school board will not say no unless as long as they can put a trailer on their property will rule. It's an issue. We look at another
115 properties based upon what we talked talked about so far. What's the issue? What's going to be the arrangement for streets? What's going to be the arrangement for sidewalks? Can our water system and sewer system handle what they what they have? Uh big question. So, will it be flooding issues for it? Is
that going to be taken care of? Is that all under under view? Uh we've got to do better. We need to look at slowing this process down. We've got the tail wagging the dog. The tail being developers and we're dancing to the developers. We've
got to stop this. Someone needs to make a motion today to suspend development. Thank you. Anybody else from the public? Not close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve or to adopt ordinance number 3,112. So move.
Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Attorney Shepard, in reference to SB 180, are you reviewing that later or No. Uh, I am. I have it here. Okay. I I didn't know if it was just for our information, but
if you want me to jump to the conclusion, you can't do a moratorum because it's against the law. There you go. Because they made that law from this. Okay. Okay. So, we're stuck. Next up, ordinance. Yep. 3116.
Ordinance number 3116, an ordinance of the city council of the city of Apoptica, Florida, amending chapter 40 54 retirement systems by amending article 4 police officers retirement system section 54-127
vesting providing for codification providing for severability providing for conflicts and setting an effective date. Any changes? No, sir. All right. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for
huh? No. Look for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3116. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries Anderson. Next
up, ordinance number 3113. Ordinance number 3113, an ordinance of the city of Aopa, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044. The here and after described land situated and being in Orange County,
Florida owned by Paluchi Acres LLC located on the east side of Vic Road approximately one quarter of a mile north of the intersection of Vic Road and West Lester Boat comprising 39.8 8 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective
date. Good evening. For the record, Bobby Howell, planning manager. The request is to annex two parcels totaling 39.85 acres into the city of Apopka. Properties are generally located on the east side of Vic Road, approximately a quarter mile north of the intersection of Vic and West Lester Roads. The
parcels are contiguous to the city limits and are eligible for annexation pursuant to Florida statute 171.044. The applicant intends to amend the future land use to residential low suburban and change of change of zoning to plan development at a later date. And this will be actions that would be taken
through the city council. The development review committee recommends approval. This is the aerial photograph of the property future land use and zoning maps show the surrounding zoning and future land uses. As I was stating, the development review committee recommends approval. The recommended motion this evening is to accept first
reading of ordinance number 3113 and hold it over for second reading of adoption. Uh myself and the applicant is here and I believe the applicant has a brief presentation as well. Okay. Any questions for Bobby before I bring up the applicant? Um well just I wanted uh that we did I
know I had a meeting with them yesterday and uh regarding this annexation and that's it. Just want to and also had a meeting as well. I did. I did as well. Okay. All right. Any questions? If not,
applicant, I want a short short PowerPoint. Did I say short? We argued already. Good evening. Elisa S with Shots and Bow and 300 South Orange Avenue, Orlando,
Florida. Um, thank you so much for your time this evening. I also want to thank staff for all of their help thus far. We've been working um consistently with um your staff uh to work on this project. So I have done I apologize for
the very rough drawing. I did a little hand drawing just to give you a little bit of context of the overall project and then the location of the proposed annexation. The overall project is 618 acres. The proposed annexation is just
under 40 acres. The all of the yellow is what is within the city and the the white is within the county. So there we go. This is a little bit more of a zoomed in um viewpoint for you all
to see. We're right off of Vic Road. The red is the annexed property. The yellow properties are the city properties. As you can see, we're very the it it um very close. So, this is a further zoomed in um parcel where you can see that we
have a excuse me a flag parcel right here that is within the county and then we have to avoid any sort of um creation of an enclave. So, it's already existing here. And then we have also proposed a 10-foot
buffer area that would remain within Orange County um to avoid any sort of appearance of the creation of an enclave. The proposed annexation meets all the statutory requirements. Um we have worked with the county and received written confirmation from them. They do not have any objection to the
annexation. We have also worked with the city attorney and he has confirmed he does not have any objection to the legality of the proposed annexation. Um, I'd also like to highlight the fact that the city would be providing utilities to this property regardless of whether the property is annexed into the
city of Apakka or if it remains within the county. The property is within the JPA. So, it's contemplated to be annexed in. Um another uh note to mention is within the county the density um proposed is four
unit four dwelling units per acre and in the city it would be 3.5 dwelling units per acre. So the annexation allows for the city to have full control and input over the entirety of the 618 acre project versus most of the project but
then having the county um control the this less than 40 acres. So and with that we're happy to answer any questions that you may have. Any any questions for the applicant? Okay, I had I had a couple questions. Thank you for taking time to meet with
me and to kind of discuss this project in its totality as well as the annexation itself. Uh the that strip that you're doing on the bottom that 10 ft to connect Alexandria Place to that flag lot that you were discussing in the middle of the screen there. Yes.
We won't see that once the development's there. That's more of just kind of paper wise like there's not going to be a fence that's this is the Apaka side. This is the Orange County side. Correct. It this is more just for this. Correct. But the HOA of the project will own and maintain that. So it will
essentially be an extended buffer area that will provide further buffering. So that would actually end up being a 35 ft buffer. Okay. And that was going to be my next questions again. And we had discussed this in our meeting. The the uh nursery to the south of the southwest section of
your annexation there, they had concerns of of just proximity that they may become Thank you. Yes, that one. that once homes are built there that it may become a they may become an issue and be a noise issue to the or complaint to the new properties that come in. Um but you
would describe that there is a driveway there that leads to a flag lot and then uh how far how big of a buffer from your property line to so it's going to be a 25 foot perimeter buffer which um keep in mind there is no buffer that would be required under straight zoning and then the driveway is 15 ft.
Okay, gotcha. Understood. Thank you. 40 ft between and then you're at the just the back of the lot and then you continue on. So, okay. And then this is going to be a PD. Yes. Okay. Um the the reality of it is is you guys are
developing all of this either way. So either it stays in Orange County, you're developing it in a small section or it goes into Buck and still being developed. Correct. This way you all have the input and the control over the overall project and we would be receiving impact fees and things of that nature as well.
Correct. So yes and real property. Right. And then are you doing any um right-of-way dedication or anything like that? We be Yes, we have proposed and offered to do 30foot rightway dedications along Ponkin along both sides of the roadway
along which the Pluchis own. And then we will also be doing rightway dedications along Vic Road in accordance with the city's intended design and expansion of Vic Road. So, we'll be facilitating a lot of the roadway improvements. Okay, understood. Thank you.
Of course. And what objection did the nursery have? Sorry, say that one more time. What objection did the nursery have to your I don't believe the nursery had any objection. And I believe the nursery was concerned that they would end up being a
um a concern for the eventual homeowners, but because of the 40ft buffer, we don't think that there would be any sort of um concern. There's sub there there's a significant enough buffer between the nursery and the proposed homes.
And they expressed that to me. they they had reached out and and said we don't want to become a now nuisance that has complained about that we're functioning as a business as we have for decades and now we're going to be a problem to residents uh on the north side even though we were here first and functioning and zoned properly and all
the those things. So that that was the concern that they brought to my attention. Yeah. and and that's a normal occurrence and that's why I asked uh is that developers build next in agricultural enterprise and then once they're there then they complain about the business that was there before them and so uh but
I guess if you got a 35 foot buffer then that's going to help alleviate that problem. So for them that'll actually be a 40ft buffer and of course you'll have a fence on the back of the home. So, Commissioner Bosquez, no, they had she had answered all those
questions. We, you know, I I appreciate that, Commissioner Mester is bringing out those questions because they were asked, but at least the public gets to hear. Okay, Commissioner Anderson. No, actually, same question. Anybody from the public?
Albert McKime 360 Golden Gem. I've got nothing negative to say about the annexation in this case, although normally I speak against annexation. It is the uh city commissioners who and the mayor can obviously object annexation, but everything in here makes sense to annex
the the property. There's only one thing that I would bring to your attention. When we annex properties in, we're already short the city staff. Where are we going to get the building inspectors? Where where where are the
other people going to come when we keep annexing people in? Really, if we want to annex in and that's your prerogative, I expect you to make sure the city staff's there. I've been looking to have my property looked at from the planning for months.
I continuously face delays. I have no idea why it continuously face delays. I've got no idea if it's the city's fault. I've got no idea if it's a pan's fault. But you know what? We as residents in the city who pay our
taxes deserve the same service as those companies you're going to add in. Rod, come on up. Rod Olson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Uh again, the concern and with the question with doc
with with Mr. Shepard as well. Other communities have put a halt, a slowdown on new development. Orange County has created hurdles for developers that slows the process down. We need to look at that. 618 acres. way you're well
first this this is for just uh what it was how many acres ne neither here there it generates that two homes per acre will be 29 students again when you take the 618 acres in simple math comes out
to 2136 unit times 3.5 or 776 students dumping into our schools you remember 8 11 years ago when I started coming here I'm one of a handful of people that got Kelly Park school Because a year after the Wolf Lake
Middleton Elementary School opened with opened in 2006, in 2008 there was 46 portables on campus. Most of those portals were remded in 2024. 776 students is get right across the street.
Guess what? And then we have to ask the questions about our sewer, our water. We have to look at our reclaimed water. Simple for me. Prior to the suspension of being able to water, my sprinkler system in Rock Springs Ridge shot out 3
to six feet was it was supposed to be 10 to 20 feet. This is insane. And then the restrictions come in. I'm ride around riding around on patrol. All these new developments are watering in the middle of the day. I can't water in the middle of the day. This is crazy. We've got to
do better. You need to look at a method to slow this down. We're going crazy and we are not making any headway. Thank you. Okay, anybody else Sylvester, if I didn't know any better, you know, this at some point has just become
laughable. But I I want to thank you uh for your presentation. It's it's good to see somebody come up and be able to answer questions that is given to them. So, thank you for that. The development uh I'm all for it 100%.
What we need to do, we heard from Clear Lake about keep developing and developing and developing but not putting anything in place. None of you have come up with a plan of action
or what can we do now the last time if you can roll the takeback for me it just made common sense if you're bringing in a new development everything that city needs to that community need
to support because that addition it need to be taken care of right then if the road need to be extended if this need to be done or we need to look at the how it's going to affect the school system, all that. Put it into play. Come up with
a plan of action. So when we move forward, we moving forward in good growth and we moving forward where when you get ready to go down can or any other street boy scout once all the developers are here now we talking about
our infrastructure when parents got to sit in traffic for 30 minutes to an hour to pick up little Johnny or pick up little Susie or now we trying to do construction when you got all this traffic. It don't make any sense. And
that's why I keep coming back to you guys to un for you to understand. You have a position here that you need to take very seriously. When I brought up the fact that we need a a stipen for you guys, if the mayor makes 150, you should
make 75,000. Because when you're sitting in that seat, when things come to you in this packet, we need for you to go out and vet it. We need for you to go out on location and see how it going to respect how it's going to how it's going to um uh affect the the the residents. We need
all that. We don't want you coming in here and as soon as you the first time you see a packet is when it's put before you and then you got to get up here and you got to make a decision moving on that's going to affect everybody. Not just you but everybody. So when we normalize the adn normal, we
desensitize the truth and now we don't even want to do anything about the truth because the truth don't matter anymore. So we go through this dog and pony show for every developer that comes here and want to be a part or want to expand it in our pocket. We have to do better and
I commend Mr. Osen for just you know tirelessly staying on you guys to do that because soon sit down y'all. Next what's what's next? Nobody has sit down and tried to come up with a plan of action even when we come up here and give you suggestions. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. All right. Close the public hearing and look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3113 at first reading and hold over for second reading and adoption. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson.
So move. Got a second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Can I just mention that Vic Road is being expended? Um it's on the list for next year, right? Widen. Widen, I'm sorry. Widen.
What's the timeline for that to Portland? Um it's on the list. Um yeah, it should be starting next next year, I believe. It is. I know it's kind of after the fact, but uh that portion from Lester, the the
three portions for Lester down name class in 1828 engineering. Sorry about that. Um the portion of Vic Road from Lester South, there was three segments that was in the 2425 budget. The portion from Lester to Ponan is in the budget for 2526 from my understanding. We're trying to confirm that with staff, but
my understanding is it got added. Is that accurate staff? Please. Yes. Vladimir Simonoski, public works director. Uh the I'm sorry. The three sections to the south, the three phases were approved. Well, not yet approved, but they were presented in the last
week's budget. So, presentations. So, everything south of Lester, everything to the south of Lester. Correct. The section between Lester and Ponen has not been considered yet. So, this specific section though, this specific section, not yet.
Is not on plan at all. Not on the plan right now. Okay. So, this isn't going to be widened, rer nothing. Well, it will eventually, but nothing's in the plan. We don't we don't plan anything yet. Okay. So, it's only south of south of this
from Dixie to Leester, which is in three different phases. Okay. So, we don't that would it be on FY27? Do we know is that it seems odd that we're not doing that whole road I guess because what's that distance between western
I believe it's total three miles I believe all the way to Ponen if I'm not mistaken ponan to uh from old Dixon yes yeah the major issue that we see right now is between old Dixie where
elementary school is and Lester road it's horrible yes okay so with coming of this develop again this development is not going to happen overnight right it's going to be a process of probably look maybe you can
they had said seven to 10 years in seven to 10 years yes yes so okay so basically we need to make sure we're having the vic road in our 10ear plan basically yes yes okay exactly I just want to make sure that's on our radar in some capacity then
yes okay thank you okay thank you all right next up ordinance number 3114. Ordinance number 3114, an ordinance of the city council of the city of Apopa, Florida, amending chapter
6, alcoholic beverages of the city's code of ordinances, adding definitions, establishing procedures, requirements, and standards for obtaining an open container permit, setting forth vendor responsibilities, amending article 4 use
res regulations of the city's land development code to clarify alcohol sale restrictions for mobile food vendors providing for codification providing for severability conflicts cotification and an effective date. Bradley,
thank you, mayor, commissioners. Uh Radley Williams, interim city administrator. I'm back tonight with ordinance number 3114 uh for first reading of the open container ordinance. Uh this ordinance uh the aim of this ordinance is to establish a process in ordinance on how
an a special man or an entity could obtain a open container permit. Uh we did take it back to the city attorney's office after last meeting to clarify and and um look at that end section of the original ordinance draft
to make it a little more concise and and remove any duplications that were present. So, I did share that information from the city attorney's office with you all uh as part of the agenda prep and available for any questions. Any questions for Bradley
to confirm this isn't and I'm sorry I didn't ask this yesterday. The this wasn't this is for the entirety of the city. This isn't CRA. It's not downtown. It's not Northwest Right. It's correct. This is for the entire cityware. Correct. And the current ordinance does allow the city commission to authorize open container. There's
just no process established in ordinance on how somebody would do that. So the goal of this was to add those steps into the process. That process and correct it would go through handinhand with our special permit process, go through the DRC reviews and then ultimately come to council for
final adoption or approval or disapproval. Okay, understood. Thank you. Any other questions for Radley? Bye from the public. Albert McKame 360 Golden Gem Road. I'm not familiar with exactly what it says
in all the ordinance and it is only a first reading, but it's citywide. Does that mean that we will have a separate ordinance to prevent open containers in our city parks? Do we do we really want people carrying open
containers where the children are playing? Anybody else? I really don't have anything more to add than what Abby just said, but what about our churches? What about the the schools? School school properties are within the city and the parks and we've
got enough challenges in this community without having people walking around with alcoholic on the sideline alcohol on the sidelines. We already had a shooting at Pop Warner. Thank you. The biggest question I have when somebody's walking around with a open container,
how we know they're legal to walk around with an open container. So when everybody's walking around with an open container, you got to pull up, let me see some ID. So that can create a public issue.
So all them that I'm asking is when we do these things, see all the beautiful questions your residents pose to you, these are the questions that you should be asking. These are the questions that you should be care sharing with the community. These are
some of the things that we took in consideration. And so now that's why we're bringing it to you. But it's always the the other way around. You got your beautiful citizens coming up and sharing information with you. as a leader.
Everybody in the city of Apaca, that's your resources, mayor. That's a beautiful thing because you have so much resources if you just only listen and inquire sometimes.
That's what good leaders do. You don't have to have all the answers, all the solutions. But in the city of Apakka, what should drive the city of Apakka and what should make it great is because everybody's contributing
and they can see their vision. They can see their input and that's when you buy into ownership and that's when you create a greater popular not making it great again but just making it great. Thank you. Anybody else?
Virginia Street 2119 Palm. this to drive. This is just how to get an open container. This is the process, right? That's what we're talking about today is the process. So, if
somebody wants to have an event, this is you would point them to this is the process to how to get it. Everybody should know that. Um, but I can't help but to think that this is
coming up for certain businesses. And I'm going to leave it there, that this conversation about open containers is for a certain um,
and and y'all know I'm not a fan of what's going on down here when I see it. uh before my kids and my grandkids um and they pay attention to the meetings and they say, "Grandma, I thought that they people couldn't walk around with
beer. Grandma, I thought they couldn't walk around with wine." And I said, "I know, baby. They just do it anyway." You know, so it kind of sends a message to them that although they see the action that happens here and we vote on it, they still try to figure a way to
make it happen their way. So, you know, people doing what they're doing. I just think this is we're having this conversation to create the process so that certain businesses can do what they want to do. And that's what I'm
feeling. I mean, I might be wrong. Prove me wrong. I'll say I'm wrong. But um this process to create an open container in our city is something that I don't think the community is ready for right
now. I think we got bigger things to be looking at like water and sewer and all the other stuff that's going on. I don't think this is something we should be putting our energy at. That's just my opinion. Thank you. You Okay. All right. Anybody else? No.
close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve. Before we do a motion that that brought up a couple good questions um setbacks for churches, schools. So, so similar to um Fifth Street here, there's some churches within the parking
lot itself, not within the parking lot, but within the surrounding businesses, what are setbacks? What are what's required? What can you walk me through that? Well, I want to be dead honest. I don't know what your setbacks are, but this ordinance doesn't address that because what it does, as was stated by Miss
Street, and I'm sure Mr. Williams is going to repeat as well, this is a process by which you apply for a permit, and the permit is guided by what you guys will or won't uh allow based on the guidelines in the ordinance, which do not get to override things like setbacks
in the code. That's not how it works. But what is true is where in places where you couldn't ordinarily be with an o open container, if you're in a special event and you have a permit, this would allow a process for you to get in. And by the way, you had this process before.
The difference was it was in two different locations. And what we were initially asked to do is to combine them into one ordinance. And that is why that looked like, but it was not true that there was a duplication of provisions within the ordinance. But we weren't allowed to change what existed. There
was language that read one way in one section and one that read a little bit differently but definitely differently in another section. And that is why when we were asked to put them together, the question that I got from Mr. Williams in an email was, "Aren't these duplicated?" So, we had to go back and look at them
and no, they're not. And you should have received an email from attorney new that explains, "Here's the differences between the two. This is why they weren't initially put together because they said different things. in order to put them together. Here's what we're doing now. So that I assume you all got
that email. Yes. And so that's the reality. Okay. And then so the this doesn't to your point for what you just said it doesn't define those setbacks at all. It's just a runway of how to get this done. So then the enforcement of this well
more so that combining was basically if I remember correctly it was that the vendor whomever is is who's responsible. correct is the responsible party of if this uh the provisions are not followed to the code. So it's not necessarily what's in this
specific ordinance but what's in our the rest of our code. If it's not followed the v it it's stated that the vendor is the one who's responsible. That is correct. So if we or if a resident or whoever finds that somebody is um not following the provisions they I guess what's the
process there? If somebody says they're not following the pro provisions of our code what's the steps then? Well, I I think uh the chief can answer, but generally speaking, we're talking about a permit. So, if they are in violation of the permit and the police are there
as they should be in most special events because it's typically required that some level of police is available. I don't know the exact levels, but I know we talked about it early with people with four winning four officers or whatever. And so, and if they observed what would have been a violation of the
permit, they can either I and assume this is a police discretion thing, they can either say you need to fix this now or they can shut it down. That's my assumption, but I'm going to let the chief do the law enforcement thing. to address a couple things that you've asked, Commissioner. Um, in our
ordinance years ago, um, the CRA area and the churches have an exemption for alcohol establishments in the distance. That was established. I read the ordinance because there was a citizen that complained about that. I reviewed the ordinance and years ago that was
changed that the square the footage from where the door of um establishment serves alcohol in a place of worship was um taken out. So there's there's not a provision that we have within the CRA. Not within the CRA area. It would apply to everywhere outside of the CRA area.
Okay. And again, this does not do anything to affect the open container ordinance under Florida statutes. You cannot go outside of this area. And as I explained the last time this came up last two weeks ago is this really puts an onus on the applicant to have a map
distinct areas where everybody knows where it's going to be. And when we have events in the city, our policy is that if alcohol is being served, they have to hire two police officers. So there are going to be police officers hired for these events. Okay? And there and there's no way for
us to or anybody the officer the vendor or is there to stop anybody from just bringing their own alcohol into this event into any event there. I could bring my own. It could be open. Anybody could do that. You could have your own alcohol right now, sir.
As far as I know. Right here. I mean, you could have what? The metal detector is not going to set off a bottle of alcohol. So, if you had a small bottle of alcohol in your pocket right now, but I mean open container wise. Well, Open container. I'm not talking about metal. I'm talking about open container. Well, you have to understand the
definition of open container. It's not just an open glass of alcohol. It is an unsealed container. So, if you've open broken the seal on it, you now have an open container. Understand? So, you could have a one of those little small bottles of whiskey in your pocket that's got the seal broken. Technically, you're
in possession of an open container. Right. So, no. Can we anybody prevent anybody from disguising something or bringing alcohol in? Let's face it, kids do it at parties every weekend. Um, well, that's not I'm and it's just more so I guess there's no there's no
mechanism to ensure that I guess that the vendors that are that are creating this event, those are the only ones that are serving alcohol. I guess there's is there a mechanism for that? There's no mechanism now. Um, I I don't disagree. I'm just saying is there I'm not saying now, but I'm saying can we add one? Is there provisions or
unique ways to I can make a suggestion. I don't think anybody's gonna like it, but this is what happens at sporting events all over the country. Randomly, I know for reasons that I can't explain because my wife doesn't drink literally anything. She gets pulled out of the line and they
search her purse. I go through the medical metal detector and as long as they don't detect any metal, I go straight in. Uh but my point being that if you made a part of this ordinance that people there had to be a controlled entry and exit, not
necessarily the safest way to go, but if you did that uh and required metal detection and additional security to do pur sack uh searches and bag searches or uh as for example happens at the soccer stadium, you can only go in with a clear vinyl bag that can be seen through.
There's there's all kinds of stuff you can do. The question is what's enough? I don't know. But those are options. Okay. No, I hear what you're saying. In scenarios like that, you run into a scenario like we just had with the event on Fifth Street. If there's multiple businesses involved uh
or in an area, you could be restricting people from visiting those by restricting the area. Do you understand what I'm saying or what I'm trying to say? The area has to be restricted though. Well, it's a defined area. It has to it it has to be defined and it has to be marked but it didn't have to have a
fence around it to restrict one one point of sgest one point of ingress or one point of egress which would be the only way you could really control it at the end of the day. Uh but you know I can't tell you how many people are out here walking around with you know their little what is it Stanley jugs with
alcohol in them. Um that's just unfortunately the nature of our society. Okay. Yeah. I'm just trying to I, you know, from my perspective, I think we've done what we can to put restrictions on this. I think it's more restrict than a
lot of them I've seen. Uh, as far as having to map it out, post it, make sure it's available for our officers to see where the restricted area is and at least be able to enforce it. And obviously, our enforcement means would be to ask them to dispose of it and bring them into compliance with where
they need to be uh before we moved on to an arrest. Okay, understood. Thank you. Okay. All right. That it looking for a motion then to what is it? I lost the
to approve ordinance number 3114 first reading and hold over for second reading and adoption. This is just for special events, right? Yes. To clarify, this is a permit process. If the permit were to be approved all the way through the process
and approved at council, it would only be valid for the time listed on the permit application and that's the only time it would be allowed. Okay. So, got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez, second by Commissioner Smith. All those
in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimous. Thank you. Next up, resolution 2025-25, the vacation of the rightway Pali Acres. And we move that. I know. Anybody from the public want to speak on this? If not, we will um close the
public hearing and look for a motion to table resolution 2025-25 to the August 6th meeting. Some got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously.
Next up, resolution 2025-26. Resolution 2025-26. A resolution of the city of Apopka amending the budget for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024 and ending September 30th, 2025.
Thank you, Susan. Resolution number 2025-26 amending the budget in the amount of $50,130. Um this is for street lights um located in the East Park Kelly Park Road MSBU special assessment. Um that includes
some of the subdivisions like Bronson and Laura Oaks and I think it was in Windows subdivision. We have additional street lights that um were implemented and we do have the revenue to support paying for those street light fees
to confirm and we discussed this yesterday. This is we've already realized this revenue. Yes. So there's already revenue in this is just a Yes. Okay. Any other questions for Blanch? Anybody from the public? We should speak on this one. Not we'll close the public hearing.
We got some Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Not to beat a horse to death, but last year on October 1st, 2024, the first day of the new budget year, we had budget amendments. We've had budget amendments. I believe every meeting so far. Uh my
prediction is that on October 8th, which would be the first meeting you have after the new budget, you'll be starting again with another set of budget amendments. We need to look at I'd like to see a motion made by one of you to demand a sidebyside compar comparison
like I sent to you. So you can look, not only you, but taxpayers can look and see what the trend is and what we're budgeting. And again I pointed out to you that with the aspect of the roads 8.3 million 34 million to cover what we
have doesn't cover squat. Uh we need to you need to make put that resolution in place or put something in place that we can look at it side by side for your benefit and our benefit. Uh secondly as I'd like to see a motion to slow development that's related to what we're
doing with our budgets. Next is the aspect of motion to look at the charter and the land use because those are mechanisms on the special assessment of street lights. This is related because it has to do with money moving around, does it not, mayor? Okay.
Thank you. Uh but with with the aspect of of that type of thing, if we put things in places other communities have, we can slow the process down to get our legs underneath us. We're done with being we are so reactive rather than proactive. It's it's frustrating. And uh
finally, another issue, maybe it's not related to this, but is there should be a motion tonight to move prayer and pledge before public comment. Thank you. This is on the issue of street lines. Thank you for that reminder, mayor. And
I stick to the street lights. We paying $50,000 for street lights. And here again, when you present, maybe I missed it, maybe it's in the packet, but how many street lights are we purchasing with the $50,000?
What type of street lights? You know, when when you bring information to us, you just give us general information. Street lights. Street lights. $50,000. What type of street lights? Why did we select those street lights? What's the
benefit for the area? So, do anybody know how many street lights we paying for $50,000? Cuz before y'all, I was very concerned about the cost of money and what we what we're spending. So, now we got 50,000 for street lights. How many street lights? And that's including maintenance for the
street lights or you know what? You know, g give us some information. So, anybody know how many street lights that's 50,000's got to be a deal cuz we're anticipating $70,000 for just a few
speakers in here. Anybody else? Okay. If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve resolution 2025-26. Well, and to confirm this is an MSBU funding. Correct. So, it's Can you walk us through just a high level MSBU please?
Basically, we assess this the subdivisions and they pay the fee. So, that's the revenue that is built into their taxes. Yes. Is it paid out their taxes? Yes, it does. Okay. And then yeah, we have to pay Duke and they we get the money from the
So this is a charge to the the resident for to those neighborhoods. The MSBU we've received this income. Yes. And it'll be paid back out to Duke effectively. Correct. Duke owns these lights. I know they're built I think they built when the subdivisions are built and
approved through the planning process. Okay. Okay. So these are all the lights inside these one neighborhood. Just one neighborhood. It's about three. East Kelly Park makes up three neighborhoods. Mayor, I'm sorry. Yes.
Burle path. I probably br Laurel Oaks and Windro. And this isn't is this this isn't for installation of new lights? No. This is ongoing electricity. Exactly. Yes, it is. It's charged to us. We charge it back to
the resident. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Looking for a motion to approve resolution 2025-26. Motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor. All opposed. Motion.
Thank you very much. Thank you. City council reports. Commissioner Nes, why don't you Bob, you got him loaded up? Thank you, sir. before us right now. I just want to discuss that obviously as always my office hours are every Thursday from 11
to 1 here at city hall. Uh it's a open door policy. Come as you need to. If you want to make an appointment, feel free to reach out. Happy to do that. Um and if you're concerned about coming to city hall again, completely understand. I've had a lot of people do that recently um to reach out and just meet in other
places because they're not comfortable here. So happy to do that as well. Um, and then in reference to the invocation and pledge, mayor, for every meeting last week and for the CRA meeting this week, you put those to the front of the agenda. And again, it's a slap in the
face to the residents that you're not doing it at this meeting. So, you do that intentionally? That's a question. Are you doing that intentionally to It's on the agenda just like it is. Well, you did it opposite actually last week where it was on the agenda and you moved it just on the fly. So, it's
opposite of the agenda. So, are we moving it back to where it was, similar to what you did last week, just like it is right now? Well, you didn't do that last week. So, again, inconsistency and it's sad that the residents are get being attacked only at city council meetings. So, I will do a quick presentation of uh the
meeting minutes policy. Again, I was supposed to be on the agenda. Um not sure why I wasn't even listed under just my council report wasn't listed there either. So, uh not really sure why that didn't occur. Is there a reason for that?
You didn't get us the information in time. You put many, many, many items on the agenda on Friday. No. The Lumen contract, for instance. The only one that we didn't have to Yeah, we didn't have to take that up. We could have let, you know, we just let
Border Lake just keep rising and we'd have been f I told everybody that's fine. I gave you the reason why. No, you had four weeks to get to this to this day. So don't don't talk about well what's what's unique is that the difference is is that this is not a 9 toive job that we do serving the residents. This is a 24-hour 7-day a
week job that we are non-stop helping and serving the residents. So just because you put in a provision or a policy that isn't even a policy that I've suggested to Mr. Williams to create one uh a different policy that would be applied equitably. Uh that's something
that needs to be done because you have not done that properly. Thank you for getting that set up for me. I appreciate it. So, similar to what we've been discussing uh in in many weeks past and years past, um there's been a lot of discrepancy on the
minutes. Uh and you can see what I have written here. Words that are spoken in this city of a city of Apakka council chambers that are recorded and available on the city of Aapka YouTube page are being manipulated, changed, and even left out uh altogether when they are presented in the minutes. So there's
been multiple opportunities of this. We've had it for years that this has been occurring. So I this is just example of our most recent minutes, the ones that I I do not recommend approving in the current capacity that they are because they're so different than what they are. The first one uh Mr. uh Bell
already discussed in the beginning and it on the minutes it says Leroy Bell came up and spoke about nothing pertaining to consent item number three. That's not what happened. That's not what actually occurred from these are my
words, but from what I understood is he discussed decorum. He discussed relationships with the Florida Economic Consortium and he discussed equitability for all the residents. So, none of that is in these minutes. And again, it just says Lee Roel came up and spoke about nothing pertaining to the consent item
three. Uh that that can't be approved. I'll show you the next one on uh how do you unmute this? Appreciate your help. I want you to do your job. your job that you were sworn to do. Do your job.
A simple question. Are you going to apply it or not? Question is, are you going to keep your people under control that aren't that aren't following the court? My people, you're the chair of this meeting. If you want me to run it, I will apply the decorums in equally. You don't apply it. I'm asking you read it every meeting.
Just apply it. Are you going to do that or not? So, so what you're saying is you want me to take care of your people. Then I want you to do your job. Your job that you were sworn to do. Do your job. The minutes read, Commissioner Nessa questioned the mayor regarding the decorum statement. Why it's not being
followed across the board. Mayor Nelson responded requesting that Commission to control his supporters as they're the ones being disruptive to the meeting and to the council. And there it says your people, which is important for the next point. Again,
these are just examples from last week's meeting or last meeting we had. Sylvester, first I want to thank Commissioner Nester for appointing me to this position. Um, I'm I want to clear up something. I am
not Commissioner Nester people. I am the city of Apakka people. When I come here, I represent the city of Apakka. I represent all residents. Mayor, Mr. Mayor Nelson, I am your people also.
When you're right, I stand with you. When you're wrong, I stand against you. It's just that simple. I belong to nobody. And I want to make that perfectly clear from this point out. I stand for righteousness. We all make mistakes,
but when we do, we acknowledge them, we correct it, and we move on. So don't ever call me Nick's people. Your people. I am your people, too. You are my mayor. Thank you. Now, I want to clear up some
when I say who made this criteria. Uh you said we all we all did. But it's it's it's funny that if you made the criteria, some of the questions that you're asking should have been already vetted and done before we got to this stage. And I want to say this
when we look at small nonprofit and Dr. O brought this up and we're talking about for $5,000 doing an audit on them that could cost them $5,000. Here we have issues with the city
for hundreds of thousands of dollars and we can't get an audit. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. And so whenever I come to this podium here, I am speaking
for the people. It's no personal game for me. It's about standing up for the ones who can't stand up and speak for themsel, who are afraid to come to this mic. And for the 20 plus years that I served, I put my life on the line for those same people.
So when I come here and stand, I'm standing from for all of them as a veteran, and as for a concerned citizen for this area that I live in, my kids live in, my grandkids live in. And I'll be damned if I don't leave this a better
world for them than what I had. If I don't do that, I'm a sorry parent. I'm a sorry grandparent. I'm a sorry greatgrandparent. Thank you. Just under three minutes, Mr. Hall spoke. The minutes go on to say,
"Sylvester Hall provided clarification stating he is not Commissioner Nesa's people. He said he is City of Aka's people and when he comes to meetings, he represents City of Aka. He represents all residents." He first started by saying thank you to Commissioner Neesa, not in here. He's asked for clarity on
what we were discussing at that time. He was also saying that he's all of Apakka's people. And he also brought up the fact that he had audit concerns. So much was missed there in the context of what was going on was missed there. So I won't belabor the point. It's clear that
we need a policy to be put in place of how minutes can be done. So I'm asking tonight that we instruct the city of PAKA attorney Cliff Shepard to draft a policy for city council approval that ensures this manipulation and distortion for political gain at the expense of the residents does not continue to occur in
the future. So, I will take my seat and we can have discussion on why or why not this makes Commissioner Nester before you leave the podium. Was there a reason why you didn't play clip one? I'll come right to that here and we can have discussion.
Please repeat that. Is that reason why you didn't play clip one? Uh Mr. Bell had addressed it from my understanding when he uh came and spoke. But if I remember what you said, Mr. Bale said, was not
what is on that video. It is. And that's why I left it there for anybody that wants to go back. They can watch it. So tonight, it's clear that the meeting minutes just for tonight from last week's meeting are not accurate.
And and again, Mr. Bell is he came up and spoke about nothing pertaining to consent item number three. That's not what was said in this room. So all I'm asking is that we as a council ensure that what we are creating and approving is accurate. That we can look back and anybody that wants to look
back at the meeting minutes can and it's an accurate true reflection of what occurred in this room. So, my ask is for this council to direct Attorney Shepard to create a minute taking policy that we can all adhere to
and there'll be no more ambiguity or questions about minutes in the future. But my ask is in response to Commissioner Smith's um question is that we actually play that first um recording because I just think it's just kind of odd that we only played two, but I will
ask that you actually play that first recording as well that you You can play it anytime you want. If you would like to play it, feel free. Again, it's not going to show the minutes don't show what he said at all, regardless of what, but it was but there has to be a reason why you excluded playing that. You play the other,
Mr. Belt. Feel free to play it. If you want to play it, feel free to play it if that's what you're asking. So, my ask and my motion is that we as a council direct Cliff Shepard to write a meeting minutes policy. Again, it creates it so that there's clarity.
There's no ambiguity. There's no edits made to them that we don't know about or don't see or that's outside of our purview. See, Susan, when was the last time that I came to you and asked you to do anything with minutes? Back when Victoria was here.
So, it has happened though. That's the point. It hasn't happened in the last we don't when when you guys see the that's when the mayor sees the so when you talk about the political game and I'm asking for it to be just a policy a policy that's not just hearsay
or that this is what we've been doing it's a policy that we can all follow. Why don't you bring a policy back to us and then let's cliff take a look. That's what we have Mr. Shepherd for. So now if you want Mr. Shepard to do it then let's do it. No, why don't you bring us back something that we can take a look at that that Cliff Shepard can
look at. Mayor, that's what our attorney is for. No, I I know that, but I don't need That's what our attorney is for. So, as a council, that's what I'm asking. Why not create a materially valuable policy that we can all follow that there's no ambiguity? Again, that's the whole point. There's no ambiguity at
all. It's an easy policy that we can just move forward with. Make sure and the discussion's over. Do we do we have a current policy regarding the policy? We just we follow what we've always done and and minutes don't have
to be verbatim and and so the idea of having more in there. I think we need to have um tell you what have it have less in there. Bob, why don't you come down? I think we need to put word for word. Let let me Bob come down and can you
play my come down and play my video? Can you go ahead and just play play mine if you don't mind? So it you know just this whole thing about what what a what minutes should look like and you know I said you know let me go see what
look around and find out see what is out there. And so I I went to to our f favorite YouTube and uh found a a video I think is pretty accurate. Well, so this is still mine. You can do this during your uh time that is on your agenda.
We're talking about your No, you because you didn't put it under my section. You could have easily put that under my council report and you didn't. You didn't put my own report under there. And so you can feel free to save this for your time. Your time's coming right now. It's my time. Okay.
So, I'm asking council to approve to direct our city uh attorney to write a policy. This is simple. I don't know what what the debate is over this. And again, it's not I'm not saying verbatim. I'm not saying verbatim. Why don't I make policy and I'll bring it to you guys?
Well, why can't the attorney do it? I don't want to put that on you cuz that's what she does. Is there is I think I actually will actually want to see the dos and don'ts before we actually I'm able to vote on that. Create a policy. Yes, I want to see the dos and don'ts. Yeah, I'll wait for direction. Well, we it's
still my time and and if somebody else would like to shut up, feel free. But I Okay, it's my time. And so again, I'm moving that we would direct staff in some capacity, whether it's Susan or Attorney Shepard because I assume you guys work hand in hand with that. Correct, Mrs. Bone.
You Yeah, you guys have worked together with that. And it wouldn't be I'm not saying verbatim. I am not saying verbatim at all. It's just that accurate reflects what's going on here in the room. Got a motion by Commissioner Nesta
that would allows uh our city clerk to create a policy. Correct. Okay. That I'll second. Got a motion and a second. All those in favor? I. This way it's consistent. That's the best way. Okay. All those
she creates a policy. I feel that um we can all follow it. Um we'll all know when the minutes come what's being presented. So you got a motion and you second in the motion. Yes. Okay. Got a motion and a second. All those in favor? I. All opposed? I
Okay. So it's three to two against with with Commissioner Neesa and okay. And Velasquez in favor and the three Smith, Anderson, and Nelson in opposition. Okay. Anything else, Commissioner Nesa? No, that'll do it for now. It's very
telling. Thank you, Commissioner Smith. Um yes. Um on Monday I attended a public forum on traditional public education that was held at the Orange County Teachers Union Association headquarters.
And they talked about the bills that are being passed that's affecting traditional public education and taking funding away from our traditional schools. And I think that is something that uh all elected officials and all the
municipalities in the Orange County need to get behind and support them in this endeavor. Uh at that meeting there was six state elected officials that were present, but I was the only municipal elected official that was present. And so I think that we all need to get
behind and uh and support this effort. uh funding being taken away from our traditional public schools and being uh given to charter schools. Uh and so we always talking about and Mr. Olsen brings it out every time that uh about school shortages and school overcrowding
and with funding constantly being taken away from public schools, uh there's no way that we can keep up. And so I would suggest that we get behind it and support that. Uh that's all I have. Let me ask you, what meeting was that? Uh it was in public forum on traditional
public schools that was held uh at the Orange County Classroom Teachers Association headquarters. Okay. Okay. Mr. Velasquez. Um well, I just have three things and the first one I I do have on my list here. Uh the
quorum. Um it's been asked even at the public comment. I did get calls from residents that I know personally and they are asking for the invocation and pledge to be
conducted before the public comment. So that's something that's being not just asked by here on the deis but it is being asked by residents that either tune in to us
on the YouTube and of course um friends that you know I know and they are asking about the invocation and pledge. It only takes less than four or five minutes. I don't understand why it can't be done. So I'm asking
Well, the reason I do it is because the the developers are not what I'm asking and they don't have to come for the the public comment that they can wait and then yet they would still be there when we do the prayer pledge and fact of the day. So, it's it's for our staff. They
don't have to be there uh if they don't have uh issues until their item comes up. So, it's it's more of a you know getting people in the right spot at the right time. But the invocation and pledge is less than three minutes. Right. I understand.
So, if they come in late, if they come in later, then they they miss the prayer and pledge. So, that's my that's my point. I know. Um But the residents are asking and they keep asking and it's been asked
on the day as today I I heard it I think three times they're asking why we are not uh doing the invocation and pledge. So I'm putting it out there. I'm asking respectfully if you could consider
bringing it back. So this way we as individual commissioners have our constituents that trust us call us and say, "Do you think you can address that?" Or coming up on public
comment and having them ask for it and we just pretend that no one's asking for it and they are asking for it. So, I'm respectfully asking you as the mayor and the chair to please consider bringing back the invocation and pledge before
public comment. So, I'll leave it at that. Um, Errol Estate did send us an email uh the fifth hold from there asking us as the city to buy the uh
they're offering us their defunct. Now, I did send an email to uh our chief administrator and he responded saying that we did not we you got the same email at the same time as I did. No, I know that. But when
I asked him, "Was the mayor considering it?" The response I got that at this time he did not know that we were considering it. He just said, "Right." But now, recently at the Rock Springs Ridge
uh HOA meeting, which was very recent, uh the HOA president stood before the membership and said that he had met with you, and you did, and I saw that in the Apaka voice. You said you met with not just the HOA president, but you met with
the golf group, but there was no indication. Uh the HOA president said that you would entertain it, that you were supported for the $7 million bond, but when the Apopa Voice asked you, there was not a
clear answer. So the the question is, are we entertaining that? We we haven't until we have something to look at, we we can't entertain anything. I mean, we we want to help Rock Springs Ridge. We want to help help the aerrol residents in any way possible, but I'm not going to I'm not going to risk the
financial stability the city to do it or I'm not. So, it's it's it we'll see where it goes. I I don't know. Um those are both private golf courses to fund and I I feel and I wrote that on
Facebook and I wrote that in nextdoor neighbor. I know that they shared it that I feel that it is a private matter that should be handled between the HOA uh the golf group and the membership of the community that I strongly believe that I I
agree because we've had past history. Sure. um where things didn't go right and there was a miscommunication where um both Rock Springs Ridge and Earl Estate were uh their their residents believed that we were going to be this
middle brokerage to I mean kind of negotiate. I wouldn't I wouldn't say they're any different than what we did for Emerson Park. I mean, different different um um funding, but it it's you know, we we want to help. We wanted to help Emerson Park, so we helped them with the
process. We helped them, you know, shepherd it through the process. So, if we can help Rock Springs Ridge, if we can help Arrol shepherd something through the process, I think we'd all be I think we'd all say that that's something we'd like to do. What that looks like, I don't know. We haven't, you know, I don't haven't seen it. Uh we
know when when we we got the Emerson Park to a point where it came forward, we knew exactly what they were going to get, what we were going to get, and what it was going, you know, who was going to who was responsible for what. Yeah. But now with Emerson State, when we did our current budget, we can't do
any am I mistaken? uh with the finance. We as the city cannot go out for a bond or borrow money because we did this for Emerson.
There is a the I'm sorry, the Emerson Park loan was consider basically when it was filed it was filed and where we didn't have to track arbitrage on that. So there's a
limit of how much debt you can issue that would be exempt from that requirement and that's the five million. We can still continue to borrow money. So let me clarify that. Okay. It's just that limit. So if we borrow more money
in this calendar year, that may change that position for them. And then I'd have to track the arbitrage situation if one exists. But I don't foresee it because the money will even won't even be in the bank.
Okay. So, those are my two concerns is that I know that we all received a letter from Aru. Sure. But we did I didn't get a response where no the mayor is not making is not working on a on hoping our own
and certainly Rock Springs Ridge the HOA president stood before its membership and it was the night that we had a budget uh workshop here. So, I was not in attendance, but as soon as I got home, as late as I got home, um I did get, you know,
information saying that uh the HOA president stood before the membership and said that he had had a meeting with you and that you were on board. And I thought, here we go again with all this with Rock Springs Ridge. We want to help them any way we can. I mean, well, how would we help them?
I I don't know. You don't know what there is to help you. It's a private def. the private golf course. Um, and it should be between the membership, the homeowners,
the HOA, and the golf group. We We don't benefit this. None of the city The city does not benefit from owning Rock Springs Ridge Gold. I agree. Okay. Anything
else, Commissioner Las? That's it. Commissioner Anderson. Uh, yes. So, two things and I probably need the HR director and can you because we kind of discussed this already. So, this is in regards to the a 1993 ordinance in
regards to compensation. Section 2.03. Also spoke with the attorney about this as well, and I think the attorney probably needs to kind of weigh in on this as well. So the last time that the policy has been updated was 1993. So I think it's important that we look
at um updating um that policy in regards to um the compensation um for expenses for the council. Um when I asked um how our salary was determined um there was no document or anything um that they could actually provide. Um the latest
document was from 1993 signed by our previous mayor John Lynn. So, we are operating off a document over 30 years old. So, I think it's important that we move to um update this um ordinance. That That's fine, Commissioner. That's
up to the to the deis up there to do that. So, if if you all How did you get that? I asked for it. Oh, I did do a survey. Um uh actually lady uh Lake Mary did a survey of all the commissioners within
the area and I updated it today uh sent it to Radley. So we're looking at all that right now. I can forward it to you if you'd like u and to the mayor. But sure it it basically uh everybody's different
is what it comes down to. There's no set um requirement for for any uh commission how they get paid. So you have one that may uh have a base amount and then they
get uh increased by one I think is the amount of the employees get uh another one is by the uh CPI consumer price index. So it's it varies. So it's important that we actually have something right now we have absolutely
nothing. How we're getting we have nothing right now. Yeah. So why don't we bring that back commissioner Anderson at next council meeting do a presentation on that is that does that work for you? Yes. So yeah could do that through public records or through HR yes can you send it to the rest of the commission? I requested
commissioner we'll we'll send you the updated all the information we've gotten to the one from 1993. Oh yes the the original ordinance the original ordinance. So there hasn't been an ordinance they can find since then. So that was I believe Susan found did some research on that and found it.
Right. Basically the ordinance was um No, we all Yeah. Yeah. I can't find We were all looking. Yeah, we'll bring it back in two weeks.
Yep. Okay. In addition to that, also from my understanding, I've received um just some concerns from staff in regards to a the PRR, the policy rules and regulation. From my understanding, that hasn't been updated since 2011. We are working on that as well. Yes, we are working on that. We're
rewriting it. Okay. Putting it into a a newer format, hopefully easier to find things. Would that be part of like the employee survey that you were conducting as well or No, this is different. It's going to be separate. It's right. It's personnel rules and
regulations. So, there are pretty much set in stone. We're just uh rewriting it. uh and we'll bring it to you uh which has never been done before. So, as far as we could tell, uh it's never been brought before the commissioners um
before, but uh once we get it finished, then we will bring it before you and show you the different changes um you know, what was done uh to change it, so on and so forth. So,
there are some obsolete things in there. When can we expect or what what do you expect that to be done? Uh, I can check with Bradley. We can work with Bradley and give you an a date. Okay. Hopefully. Anything else, Commissioner? That's all. Cool. Okay.
All right. Who we got next? Is it Cliff? You want to go next? I absolutely can. Um we we there's nothing we would like better to do than at 11 p.m. start talking about SB80 and yet here we are. Um so you have been
given this uh summary prepared by the Florida League of Cities Cities and you will note that it's titled emergency uh preparedness and response SP 180. Um, this is legislative speak for a little bit of stuff about emergency
preparedness and for four cities, a lot of stuff about what you can't do anymore. Um, and that's the problem with the current state of Tallahassee. I'll stop my soap box now, but I will tell you that the biggest concerns are also what you're seeing in front page news of
the Orlando Sentinel of the last couple of days because the impacts on development and our ability to control development are monumental. Um, as I have highlighted in my version, I'm going to focus on those because there's many little things. As an
example, there's something that says that uh when a local government may not adopt an or enforce an ordinance for substantial improvements or repairs to a structure, which includes a cumulative substantial improvement period, which means you can't tell them how fast they
got to get it done. Uh and and things of that nature. So there's a lot of little of that sort of what I would call uh jabs, but then there's some knockout punches when it comes to development uh that are are really significant and those uh deal with what we can and
cannot do on a go forward basis. Now, first what you need to understand is we are as well as very many and ma maybe most if not all counties are impacted by this portion of the bill uh at lines 1321 through 1373
which talks about restrictions in counties where a disaster was uh uh declared based on hurricanes Debbie, Helen or Milton. So, if you're in a county that was uh in an declared emergency
uh disaster area based on those hurricanes, then this applies to you retroactively all the way to August 2024. So it says among other things that you cannot uh uh
adopt you are prohibited from proposing or adopting proposing or adopting considering let's just use the right language a mor a moratorum on construction reconstruction or redevelopment of any property damaged by
such hurricanes. A, and this is the one that's Orange County struggling with, a more restrictive or burdensome amendment to its comprehensive plan or land use development regulations and or a more restrictive or burdensome
procedure concerning review, approval, or issuance of a site plan, development permit, or development order. So summarize what that means is that if you do anything to make it take longer than it's than it ordinarily does to slow the
process to prohibit the permits because of a moratorum while you study an issue all of things which would have been legal to do previous to this bill you are in violation of this bill. What happens is the liar, as has happened in
the city of uh in the county of Orange, sends you a 14-day notice, and if you don't resend the action that is causing the violation of the bill, then you're on the hook for attorneys fees and costs and potential damages and other things,
it isn't good. And so, if you've been paying attention to what happens at the county, you know they set up and passed by a huge margin. 73% of the voters voted for the rural boundary amendment to protect rural boundaries. Frankly, as a city, we weren't all that knocked out about it because we had a JPA that says
we should be allowed to annex certain properties and have had that agreement contractually binding both parties for a long time. Many cities were opposed to it, but the residents passed it in mass, 73%. the threatened uh litigation from
ranchers and farmers and large land owners like Desireette Ranch, if you're familiar with those guys, uh said, "Look, uh we now think that we're protected by SB80, and if you don't resend application of this charter amendment, charter them, not something that the
government did, but the people did, um we're going to sue you as a violation of 180 because it makes all of our abilities to develop much more burden ome and difficult and the bill says you can't do that. And so that is the issue
that is currently going on today. Today the county decided after initially telling the developers lawyer uh yeah we're probably going to have to fold because we can read it just as well as you can. But today pursuant to a lot of political pressure they said we're going to take a stand and fight it. It'll be
interesting to see how it comes out. it I I actually think the they have at least an arguable case. I don't know how well it'll go, but they have something to say because it's a charter amendment as opposed to regulation that the government imposed. But having said all
of that, um it is a real problem. So when when someone suggests we need to do a moratorum and and if the answer is well we can't do it now, well you should have done it and now you're way behind April. Well, if you unless you were to do it before June uh uh of 2024, I think
it was I'm looking for the actual date, August 1. August 1, 2024. Um then it it would go back and bite you now. They would say you got to take it off or else. And so this is one of many examples you've heard me cite over time of how folks in
Tallahassee say they're in favor of local control until they get to Tallahassee and then they kind of forget that whole thing. Um I don't like it. I'm not sure that my opinion matters. I don't I I think it's bad planning. I think you cannot say that every city is
the same. You can't say that Naples is the same as a Papco or is the same as Oto because we all have different things we're looking out for and trying to protect and control and all of those other things. But the legislature knows best according to the legislature and this is what they've done. And so I
can't fix it. I can't do anything about it. I do think it's going to be challenged just like it's being challenged according to a vote that was taken today in um in Orange County. Uh but I don't know how it's going to come out. We don't have any attorneys general opinions yet because it's too new. The
governor just signed it um you know a week or two ago and so don't know but it it should answer for those who are concerned about we need to slow or stop growth. Tell it to Tallahassee. In fact, I think Mr. Demings had the best quote
in the article that was published today when he said be mad at the right people. Call the folks in Tallahassee. And I think that's accurate advice. All right. Thank you, Cliff. Anything else that good? All right, Bradley.
Only thing I had was uh already covered by Commissioner Anderson. Just an update that staff we're still working on the commissioner salaries review and we'll bring back an item next meeting. All right, Bob, you got me queued up. Just I'll start off with this and we'll
get into Good stuff. Good stuff. I'll apologize ahead of time if there's any ads that points. YouTube's kind of known for ads. What? What? No. YouTube's kind of known for going to the meeting minutes. Anyhow, am I recording them correctly? If I had a
nickel for every time I got asked about meeting minutes, I would be a very rich woman. But let's take a step backwards and simplify things just a bit. Why do we hold meetings in the first place? Correct. To get business done. And that's exactly what you need to record
in the meeting minutes. The details of the business that got taken care of in the meeting. You need to remember that they're minutes, not seconds. And what you record in the minutes should be a record of what was done in the meeting, not everything that was said by every
single board member. In this video, I'm going to quickly go over a few important minutes, dos and don'ts for all you recording secretaries. For a more complete list of meeting minutes, dos and don'ts, please check the description below. Do number one, do use the agenda
as a guide. Your meeting agenda and your meeting minutes, they work in tandem. As you move through each item on the agenda, make certain that you record what action was taken for each item of business. Your meeting minutes will also support the creation of your next
meeting agenda. Do number two, do enter the exact wording of the motions as finally adopted. Your meeting minutes are not just a historical record of the business that has taken place during the meeting. They are also the legal record.
So it is essential that the recording secretary makes certain to properly record the motion that is passed or not in its entirety. Do number three do record all counted votes for and
against. Listing the type of vote is really important. For example, if the motion passed via majority vote or the motion passed with six in the affirmative and two in the opposition. Remember that abstensions do not count
as any type of vote unless your organization's bylaws state something different. Now, let's quickly go over a couple of meeting minutes don'ts. Don't number one, don't include the opinions or content from debate. As the recording
secretary, you are not a court stenographer who needs to list all of the opinions and comments of your board members. Your job is to capture clearly the actions that were taken during the meeting. Individual comments and
opinions are not relevant to the business decisions that your board eventually takes. So don't include them. Don't. Number two, don't waste too much time approving your minutes. Nobody wants to waste time in your meetings, and your board members really shouldn't
be spending a ton of time approving the minutes from your last meeting. This process should move quickly and effortlessly for the most part. Remember, you don't need to make a formal amendment for grammatical errors. These can be changed at any time. When I sit in meetings where the board members
take too much time to approve the minutes, this could be an indicator that your board could use some board training. Now, listen up all you recording secretaries. You know your meeting minutes are the legal record of the decisions and the work of your board. So, you know that the work that
you're doing to keep accurate minutes is incredibly important. And to drive home how important this work is, I want you to show up in your meetings thinking of yourself as a gladiator. Those about to die salute you.
Yes, that's right. I want you to see yourself as a bold gladiator in the arena of your meetings, fighting to keep the information specific and understandable. So, what do I mean by that? Well, if you're the recording secretary and you're lost and you don't
know what the motion is on the floor, then you're not the only one who's lost. You need to boldly unshave your sword or raise your pen and bravely raise your hand and ask the presiding officer to clarify the motion. It is your job to
fight for clarity and understanding in your board meetings. You need to show up for your meetings feeling empowered and confident so that you can cut through any clutter and capture the business and important details that need to be included in the minutes. Meeting minutes
do not need to be complicated. And neither does Robert's rules of order. If you enjoyed this video, please make sure that you subscribe so that you don't miss any of my upcoming videos. And for all of your Robert's Rules of Order training and board development needs, please visit my website, robert's
rulesmadeimple.com. Thank you so much. My name is Susan Ley and happy meetings. All right. Thank you. So, Susan, I think you made all the dues and you didn't do any of the don'ts. So, I appreciate what you do as far as
keeping our minutes. Are you advocating for a new policy for that? No, this is my Are you going to be doing Robert's rules of order? I mean, what was the point of that? Okay. We're not following that. You guys are doing verbatim of some things, not verbatim of the others. Commissioner Nes, it's not your turn. So, you just don't want any type of It's not your turn. You want
rules and regulations and any of that. So, it's just sad that you don't properly uh apply it. Shut up. Oh, so you're gonna apply decorum now. Somebody shut up. You I you asked me not to play that video until you decor. So, that's so decorum. Got it. So
you can yell. Okay. I said be quiet. Be quiet. You said shut up. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. To corn. Okay. How are you going to apply that equitably? It's insane to me. And you're clearly not doing it or able to do it. Okay.
All right. So, let me just I got some great news for everybody. Um on Friday, we we uh swore in 13 new firefighters and uh which Yeah, pretty cool. two of them for US territories and two
of them from from foreign countries which I thought was really cool. So anyway, it was really really neat. Um Border Lake update, everybody's got the uh the sheets. Uh it's not only got the rainfall but also the the uh the lake elevations. I just really great information. I need to thank public
services Vlad and I mean Jeremy and Michael and Greg, everybody, the team that puts this this together. DA. Uh, great information as to where the lakes are as far as meeting our, you know, the the the the levels of the lakes that we
need to to to do. Um, and then last but not least, for sure, I am so excited. I'm pleased to report that the city of Apakka has been awarded $17.3 million through the US Department of Transportation's better utilizing
investments to leverage development called build grant program for the Okoi Apopa Road improvements. This is a significant achievement of our community and the results of dedicated work over the past several years. The city submitted a very detailed application
which included the following criteria. Safety, environmental sustainability, quality of life, mobility and community connectivity, economic competitiveness, partnership and collaboration, innovation, and project readiness. The application for the previous grant,
formerly known as the raise grant, was was led by our own Pam Richmond, whose leadership and coordination were instrumental in strengthening the proposal. Last year, the city partnered with Kimley Horn and Associates to provide us with the technical assistance
and strategic insight to put together such a compelling grant proposal. And we have with us tonight Evan Gaggley from Kimley Horn. I appreciate you staying hanging in here with us. So, appreciate you coming out. Although we are deficient in a couple of areas from last
year's grant, our team led the led this year by our own Jean Sanchez and Kimley Horn team made a few adjustments to help raise our score which ultimately gave us a winning total. The awarded funds will support the Okoi Apka complete streets and trail project which will enhance
safety, improve multimodal connectivity and support sustainable growth in the southwest quadrant of Apakka. Improvements with this project include expanding the roadway from two to four lanes, adding bike lanes, a multi-use path, accessibility features such as
smart lighting sensors, and ADA compliant enhancements. I'd like to thank everyone that had a part of this public services, community development, and Kimley Horn for all that you've done to get us to this point, and also u our congressman Dan Webster for being our
shepherd in getting this through the congressional appropriation. So, thanks everybody. Have a great night.