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--------- We'll call the July 8th, 2026 DRC meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Planning is present. Police >> uh Jason Wartman present. >> Public works. >> Dale Smith. >> Fire. >> Jeremy Holderville. >> And building.

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>> Okay. Public comment period. Uh if any member of the public is here would like to speak on any item, you have three minutes. Anybody would like to speak from the public? Hearing none, we will get into special events. And Lexi from recreation is here. The first one is St.

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Paul Popka Faith and Fitness 5K. >> All right. So, the St. Paul AM Church is looking to do a faith and fitness 5K on Saturday, August 22nd from 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Um, this organization may not move forward with this exact date due to the approval timeline, but we're taking

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the permit today to review the the route and the possibility of approval for a future date. Um, this is a 5K run walk for their church anniversary. Um, the location of the event begins and ends near their church location at 1012 South Park Avenue. So, there's a full race um

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route provided in the packet and they're expecting about 150 people. They are aware that this will will require offduty for the road closures. Um their setup includes 10x10 tents and another larger tent that wasn't specified the size um for another area of the race. Um

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the start and end for the road closure will be from 7:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. and the race will start and end on 10th Street between South Park Avenue and Central Avenue. Um the additional roads that are going to be affected and requesting road closure are 10th Street,

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Central Avenue, East Fifth Street crossing South Park Avenue, Highland Avenue, 6th Street, South Forest Avenue, East 7th Street going east back to Highland Avenue, East 8th Street, Robinson Avenue, 11th Street, and then left back. This will be left back to

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Highland Avenue up to Fifth Street, crossing Park Avenue, taking the route back to the finish line um at on 10th Street. And um there'll be no alcohol. Parking will be located at their church property. And that is it for that one.

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>> Any questions? Planning has nothing further. Uh police. >> I have nothing there. They're going to send it to the for the offduty coordinator, right? Okay. >> Public works. >> No comment. >> Fired. No comments. >> Building nothing.

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>> All right. The next one is the worker solidarity cup at Edwards Field, October 10th. [snorts] Central Florida Jobs is Justice are looking to do a worker solidarity cup at Edwards Field on Saturday, October 10th from 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. It's a soccer tournament fundraiser on Edwards

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Field with a expected attendance of about 100 people. Their setup is simple with a 10 one 10x10 tent. Um, parking will also be located on Edwards Field and there's a map in there that shows where the actual soccer game will be played and then where the parking will be. Um, their setup will begin on

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October 10th at 7 a.m. >> Any questions? >> Are there any kind of vendors or alcohol or anything like that? >> No. >> Okay. >> Right. Any additional questions? >> All right. Planning has nothing further. Police, >> I got nothing.

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>> Public works, >> no comment. >> Fire, >> no comments. >> Building, >> I don't have anything. Thanks. >> All right. The last one is community sports day at Alonzo Williams Park. Uh, Reimagine Communities is looking to a community sports day at Alonzo Williams Park on Saturday, July 18th

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from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. It's a free community event with sports activities, music, and a back to school giveaway. Um, they're expecting about 100 people. They will have 10 by 10 tents, food trucks, and vendors, no alcohol, and parking will be located on the grass parking across the street and

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surrounding paved parking areas. >> Any questions on this one? Is there any else duty for this one to be asked for? Um, I don't believe so, but I still will send it over to colleague just to um Okay, >> it's good. >> Any additional questions?

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Planning has nothing further. Police, any additional questions? >> I've got nothing. >> Public works, >> no comment. >> Fire, >> no comments. >> Building, >> nothing. Thank you. >> Thank you, Lexi. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next item on the agenda is Eden Crest Plat phase two uh fourth

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submitt project manager. >> Good morning, everyone. So this is a plat for the phase 2 of the Eden Crest subdivision consists of 115 lots and uh uh only staff is available for further comments and questions. Applicant is not

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here today. >> All right. Were there any outstanding comments on? >> Yes, there were outstanding comments from legal. >> Okay. All right. Any questions from the DRC members on this? All right. As there are outstanding comments from legal, the planning staff

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cannot recommend approval. Police. I have no comments. >> Public works. >> They addressed all my comments. >> Okay. >> No comments. >> Fire in. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Amir. >> Okay. Next item is Kelly Park South Master Plan Amendment. Uh first submitt.

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This should be under resonings. I'm the project manager on this one. Uh the applicant is in attendance. There were comments that were generated from planning and public works. Um I believe your Mr. Bennett, if you'd like to address the DRC.

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>> Yes. >> Good morning. Lance Bennett with Pape Dawson. Um, we do have comments from engineering and from planning and I think um majority of the questions we would be better set have offline

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conversation. So that I'd request separate meetings. >> Okay. Uh we can arrange that to happen. Uh based on the comments that are outstanding, we can't recommend approval at this time. Uh, police, >> I've got nothing. >> Public works. >> No other comments.

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>> All right. Fire. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building, >> no comments. Thanks. >> Thank you, Mr. B. >> Thank you. >> Next item. Autozone store number FL 10995 construction site plan second submitt. June is the project manager.

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>> Good morning. Um, this is store CSP second sub middle. Uh property location is 1788 Rock Springs Road. Property size is about 1 acre. Uh use is commercial retail for all parts store and the

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building size is about 7,000 square ft. Um there was no comment from other DRC uh members except for planning. Planning has comment that the uh irrigation plan was not provided and then there's some information missing on parking plan. The

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recommended recommendation is come back for the result. >> See applicant in attendance. All right. If you'd like to come and address the DRC, you can. Uh if not, that's fine too. We just ask that you come over here. >> Good morning everyone. This is Yan with

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CBH Engineer. Uh we are working on Autozone project in Apopka. We have addressed all of uh the second review commit as like length of the barking and submit irrigation plan and we

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resubmitted the plan the day before yesterday. I'm here today to see if there are any comment that need to be addressed. If everything look good, we appreciate your approval so we can move forward with the project. >> Are there any questions or comments for

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the applicant? >> All right. Is there outstanding planning comments? Uh, we can't recommend approval at this point. Those have to be resolved. Uh, so you have to go back through the process. It sounds like you resubmitted yesterday >> on Monday. >> Monday. Okay. All right. >> Correct. >> Okay. And so, uh, we will go from there.

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>> Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Police, any questions or comments? >> Nope. Nothing. >> Public works, >> no comments. >> Fire, >> no comments there. >> Building, >> nothing. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, June. I think you're next. The other is out parcel first metal.

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>> Um so this is u out parcel CSP first met middle property location is 2050 plea surren road. Um the size of the property is about 2 acre. Um proper use is commercial for multi-tenant for office,

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restaurant and retail and um building sizes is about 7,500 square ft and recommendation is come back for the um result now. >> All right. Is there outstanding comments? Is the applicant in attendance?

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>> Good morning. Joe Pellerin with Kimley Horn. Um just have a few comments to talk through. Um so starting off with the the first comment about the survey. This is technically phase three. Um phase one was the self storage. Phase

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two was the medical offices that are just plan east of here. And then this is phase three. So the boundary survey that's requested, it's technically the same survey as phase two. Um, I just wanted to confirm that during the pre-application meeting, we were uh we told staff that we were going to use the

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asbuilts as the topographic survey and it was kind of confirmed that that was good. Um, do we do you want to see a boundary survey from phase 2 resubmitted or how >> which department was that comment from? >> Planning and the comments are all

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planning and zoning and then there's a few public works. >> Okay. The topo is fine. The exact what you refer to that's fine to use as a survey. >> Okay. So that's just kind of a >> informationational comment. Yeah. >> Gotcha. Okay. And then uh the next one about a parking plan. Um just want to

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make sure understand that correctly. Um since it's you know we have phase two and phase three >> we require a separate paper says like title as a parking plan. >> Okay. Do you want to see it spec would you want to see phase two and phase

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three combined with that parking plan? Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Can do that. Um, is that the same with the long-term biking? Do you do you know the long-term storage for phase 2? Is it inside the medical offices or what what exactly did

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they provide? >> Uh, was longterm was provided for >> what? It was >> was it provided? >> I I wasn't a part of phase one or phase two. as well. Would it be would you be able to send me the approved record of

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plans for phase one and phase two because I don't have those on file. That okay, that would be super helpful because I that would kind of play into the green building standards as well. Um because I don't I don't know exactly what was approved. So I can I can double check that. >> Just real quick for the a little bit of the background on that project. That

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project was originally approved. The self- storage uh was back in 2019 or something and it was under the city's 1993 land development code >> of which those standards weren't part of. Um but being that this you're developing under the city's current

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code, you're are subject to the bike standards, but we can send you the plans. >> Gotcha. Well, phase that was itself sort of phase two was more recent, right? So phase two was probably under the same >> it might have been under the same code. >> Okay. Yeah. So yeah, I think seeing the actual ones that you guys have on file

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that are approved and that we're that that would help us kind of determine how to go about because we'll probably do something similar for this one as well. Um, one comment about the the landscape buffer if are you able to pull are you able to pull up the landscape sheet

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>> L101? So not >> so in in general I'll try to talk to you then the buffer for the comment number eight from planning and zoning the commercial the CC requires buffer type B it's located under that call out

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property boundary typical so that's kind of the boundary for phase two like I was saying and within that landscape island there's a sanitary line and manholes that run so I think we have no buffer required listed on our plan but if we started planting trees be right on top

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of a sanitary line. >> So there's already existing landscape. >> So this this area right here, we don't we we just have I think a a sod call out >> landscape. >> There's approved phase two. >> Yeah, that was approved with phase two.

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Yeah. >> Okay. And then for pedestrian connectivity, we were going to show connectivity kind of on this corner connecting to this sidewalk and then south to that sidewalk. Would that work? Okay.

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And then Dale, one one of your comments about the dumpster. I noticed you you said the the dumpster doors swing out into the drive aisle. I think I I feel like we placed it to be clear, but maybe I'm Are there uh details or dimensions that I'm I'm missing from a dumpster?

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>> I I think they are on there. That's why I was But yeah, I can make it more clear if they're Hey >> Dale, can you turn your mic on? >> Sorry about that. I don't know. Yeah, like I said, if you have a baller that stops them from swinging 90 degrees, if

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it stops at 90 degrees, you're good. But if it continues to swing, it's going to be in the drive lane. >> Gotcha. Okay, that's perfect. We'll make sure to add that then so it stops at 90 degrees. >> And then the other was just a comment. You know, people using the dumpster are going to have to walk out into the drive lane to use the dumpster.

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>> We can Should we extend that sidewalk that's just set planned south of it. We could extend that and create an area where they can just kind of step up right to it. >> Well, I think it'd be good for them, but they're coming out of the, you know, the back door. So, however you need to do that. >> Okay. Yeah, we can we can add a little

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connection point. Just kind of connect those sidewalks to it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that covers my comments. I don't know if there's anything else you'd like to discuss with what you commented. >> Anybody have any questions, additional questions for the applicant?

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Are there any end users lined up yet? >> There were. I don't know if they're still available. I have to talk to the the client and see. Um, but I know they're still overall trying to trying to figure that out. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. As there are outstanding

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comments, planning recommends denial at this point. I'll have to go back through the DRC process. Police? >> I have nothing. >> Public works. >> No other comments. >> Fire. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building, >> nothing. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. >> Welcome. Next item, Oakmore, formerly

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known as Onage South Construction Site Plan, third submitt. Jean Sanchez, project manager. >> Good morning. This is for uh the third submitt for Oakmore. Um this is on the northwest corner of State Road 429. Um

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and I think on the portal it states that there's really there are no comments I received from DRC for this one. Um, however, I understand there was some technical discussions with the applicant between public works and and the

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applicant about pipe related comments. So, before I guess before we should formally issue a DRC approval, I just want to make sure everything is um good to go on this one. >> Uh, the plan show, you know, sanitary

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sewer connection instead of a lift station. We've approved that. Mhm. >> Uh the I guess >> let me invite Luke over here. >> Luke class 1928 engineering. I think you're talking about onage south. This is onage north. >> Not wrong. Onitch.

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>> Yeah, different project. Wrong. Onage project. Uh this one. And on north, there's no more comments. You had issued um approval, I think Monday. The question I had was previously we talked and you said you may want the 16inch reclaim line and portable water line. the pipe material change from PVC to

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duct wire on FE and onage. If that's the case, I just I can resubmit today. >> The upsizing agreement was for the PVC and >> correct. >> Correct. And >> I think you're talking about onage south again. The upsizing agreement forage south is approved, right?

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>> For north has not been approved yet. >> It has not been approved. Upsizing it needs to be ductal. >> Previously, you told me to switch the material to duct line. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. So I can make that change and upload today since there are no other comments. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So uh based on that then uh he makes the

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changes. Does this need to come back to DRC? >> Uh because we're going to be uh putting the upsizing agreement through the commission. I don't think it has to come back. >> Okay. All right. All right. And there were no outstanding planning comments. So planning recommends approval on this.

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Uh, police, >> I have nothing. >> Public works, >> no other comments. >> All right. Fire, >> no comments. Thank you. >> Building, >> no comments. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Next item is Chandler Row CSP amendment second submitt. I'm the project manager on

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this. This was for basically fireflow uh stuff is a very minor amendment. This came back before and uh it is back again. Is the applicant in attendance? does not seem to be. All right. Planning

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had no comments on this one and recommends approval. Police >> I have no comments. >> Public works. >> They address my comments. >> Okay. Fired. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building >> nothing. Thank you. >> Okay. Any items for discussion?

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>> We are adjourned.

Part: 2

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Uh good evening everyone. Thank you for being in attendance at uh the Apaka City Commission budget workshop for July 8th, 2026. Uh we will jump into the presentation. I do want to uh just go over a couple preliminary things. Obviously, I'm sure it was somewhat of a a shock. you know, I read social media,

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so I know residents are are very um concerned about where our budget's going, as they should be, and and I appreciate the uh how attentive our residents are with this preliminary budget. Uh what what's really important to remember as we navigate this process is that this is preliminary. We want

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feedback. This is the point. As we start to continue these workshops, we start getting more and more narrow and and more rigid with this budget, but right now, we still have the ability to to fix it and change it. and and it's gone through a lot of a lot of edits so far and it's going to continue to do that to make sure it's as refined and as

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efficient as possible but also preparing for our future. I think that's our biggest thing is that we want to make sure we have a foundation that's solid not only for next year but for years to come. And keep in mind as we start to navigate this budget and what we choose to cut out or keep or whatever it may be, it lays the foundation for next

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year's budget as well. So keep in mind that we're not just doing this year's budget, we're doing next year's budget and the budget after that. Um, and and as we navigate this as well, I know a resident every year uh likes to ask, and I love the question, uh, department heads, do you have everything you need to properly support and and um, uh,

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serve the residents? And the answer is no. They they do not with this budget. They the the department heads on the first or six-hour only six-hour meeting we've ever had currently um, gave everything that they need and and a lot of their wants as well. We've gone through and and had to cut a lot of

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that. So keep in mind that that's from staff cuts to uh capital improvement cuts to vehicle cuts to equipment cuts. So when when the question's asked, is this everything they need? No, it's not. But at the same time, we've got to be cognizant of of the economic times that we're in and that the residents um feel

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every dollar that we're spending. So just want to kind of set this the table for what we're going to be going through tonight. Keep in mind, we're not trying to go line by line on anything. If you do have a specific question, department heads are available at any time for you to discuss that. Um, department heads obviously are in here as well if we need to go over anything maybe that you do

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have a specific question or two on. Um, and if you've reviewed the presentation already as well, you'll see some of the cuts that have already been preliminarily gone over. We can add stuff back in, take other things back out depending on the conversations depending on uh, what you feel is best moving forward. So, just trying to set

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the stage, make sure everybody's on the same page or that this is not set. We can adjust it 100%. There's nothing set in stone right now that we can't change, adapt or adopt in some way uh as we navigate this process. So with that, Mr. Sherman. >> Thank you, Mayor Vice Mayor and

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Commissioners. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> As the mayor just mentioned, this is preliminary. So this is an overview of that preliminary budget and the key revenues and key reductions that were made.

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This item here is basically your fund balance. It tells you where you stand from a reserve standpoint by fund. And in regards to the general fund with everything that we've changed within it, and I will be going over that in detail, um the estimated balance as of 93027

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would be 14,982. Now that represents about 12% of our reserves and this is basically unassigned, uncommitted, unrestricted reserves. And in the streets fund, you can see that's one of the funds that we

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typically kind of struggle with. That's at a negative at this point. Transportation, that's at 21 million. That is backing out few key projects and also set aiding set aside, I'm sorry, the funds that we have for the Kelly Pike Road widening project. So going on

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down, you know, each funds is being represented. If you look at fund 401 based on the numbers that I'm going to present to you tonight will be about 3.3 in the positive 3.4. The utility fund uh 402 sanitation fund again that's one of

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the funds that we're trying to build reserves in is again it remains in the negative for right now. Utility impact fee fund that's at 38.9 million. And the CRA fund will be going to the

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CRA on August 11th. I'll be getting u reconciling this fund so that we can get aligned with the rollovers and carry forwards for this particular fund. Okay. Some of the key revenues that we have incorporated in this is the increase in

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a warm taxes. Now that includes that 1 mil increase and at the time when the based on the estimates that we had that represented an increase of about 14.6. I was just sharing with the mayor now that we have the certified numbers that is actually about 13.2.

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So we already at a 1.4 differential even more. So we do have some increases reflecting in the utility tax revenue and as growth continues to slow down. Hopefully it'll come back in the next year or so or next year but not not what

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we're showing in our records. Building permits are going down. Plan analysis fees are going down. We are getting increases in the franchise fees. We're estimating a slight increase in the sales tax. That's based on a just a 4%. Sometimes I get those numbers from the

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state, but those numbers don't come out probably until the end of July. We are showing a reduction in interest revenue. And again, what we're trying to do here is offset some of those recurring revenues by bringing additional recurring revenues through property tax revenue.

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That was the general fund. In regards to some of the other funds, storm water collection fees, we're reflecting $565,000 increase that is based on a proposed 20% increase in the assessment. Utility

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operations fund fees 4.2 and that is based on a plan rate increase of 6%. And with the utility impact fee, you can see because of a slowdown in the growth, we're looking at a reduction in that revenue. In regards to the sanitation fund

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collection fees, we're looking at a $741,000 increase, and that is based on the planned increase at 6.5. And when I refer to the plan increase, I'm referring to last year when I came with the five-year plan and it was approved

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for those annual increases going forward. Some of the key expenditure reductions here in the general fund that uh we want to highlight fire station one replacement and fire station 7. We're we're pulling that out because that's

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basically pending securing debt. That geo bond that we talked about when we had the one facility called the public safety building that was coming at about 100 plus million. So we're pulling that out as we continue down the path of how we're going to go forward with that. But in any regard, it's going to take um

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securing that in the geo bond. Um the new positions we are looking at about 3.6 million at this time. In regards to that, the tenative salaries and wages and union negotiations, we have about 3.8 million reflected for

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that. Some of the things that we had to take out or chose to take out like the camp wewa um camp wewa cabin porch renovations, we pushed that to FY28. The dispatch additions pushed that to

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FY28. some of the facility improvements, facility vehicles and equipment. I'm sorry. It was some a new F250 generators, um, desk and furniture and all of that.

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Those were not required in some cases and included in other areas in other cases. I have the details if you want to know specifically. The other item, the nine, the 375, wait a minute, the 2, the 375, 373, that is

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from my department. We were looking at a phase two of our ERP system that included um going taking our Kronos system, our time and attendance system, and going um fully integrated with Tyler Munis, but we're going to push that off a little bit. It wasn't in the original

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plan. It was just something that if we wanted to do later down on down the road, we can consider doing. We want to get through this phase one and then see how it works out and consider it later. The Northwest Recreation new restrooms that moved to the parks and rec impact

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fee budget. Some of the other improvements for Northwest Recreation like the new perimeter fence um the LED lighting retrofits for pads one through three and a replacement of a football scoreboard that move we pushed that to FY28.

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So could I just want to stop you for a minute. What are we using the TBT dollars for? Wasn't that part of improvement? >> It was more the amphitheater for the improvements along the amphitheater and >> softball >> and the softball quad. Oh, okay.

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>> Okay. You good? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. um the equipment for Northwest Recreation that included an area a area I'm sorry ariator sorry and a new soccer goal nets and benches and those got

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pushed out as well. Um the 350 for the old fire station that got moved to facilities. It's not cut, it just got moved. And the fire training center, staircase training center, again that one was reduced and cut out and pushed

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out. The gas prop was again pushed out in the mobile command center that was pushed out. That's 200k. And the 200k that was says grant funded expenditures. That's just an offset. We had the same amount in the revenue. Um the previous

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police chief wanted to be able to, you know, not come back for a budget amendment to start using those funds even though the grant will still come to council as we get those grants. >> So yeah, and if I can, I'll just add a little bit to that as well. What was happening is that we were adding in grant funds to our budget to help

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balance the budget before they were received. So, we're not guaranteed 100% guaranteed grant funding. Obviously, you still need to get awarded it and then also it paid out. So, for me, I didn't like that grant funding was built in uh because if we don't get it,

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it needs to come out of reserves then. So, I wanted to make sure we're budgeting worst case scenario and that anything that comes in is a better better setup. >> Okay. I know we're still doing some of that. It drives me nuts. >> All right.

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Some of the key expenses and reductions for the utility fund. Um landscape maintenance was added. Equipment for the water plant that included um some generators for gross embarkers and bleach skid replacements.

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Again, those got taken out. And the 10 million was added for the Golden Gem lawn pond replacement of the member. That's the large pond, I'm sorry, that was added back added into the budget. That's something the mayor wants to try to move forward with. And the utility

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transfer of the 6.2, there was discussions about that. Um, we added that back in and we're going to develop a process to track the actual expenses over the next year. the sludge hauling trailer replacement

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that was um taken out for 120k. The vector truck vehicles, excavator and trailer, they they totaled about 2.2 $2.3 million. We're going to rent some of those things and some of them were

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not needed. Some are being purchased in FY26 and actually some are budgeted in FY26. So that's why they were taken out. the skater ARTU upgrades. That's another one that was taken out because they have

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200k in 2026 that they can use for that effort. The equipment drone 32,09 again that one was taken out. The utility transfer for sanitation, we're taking that out because sanitation is now in a deficit.

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You can't pull for something that's not there. >> Okay. sale improvements on 30in manual on Rogers to Pine Street that was added in and that's about $4 million and that's for the utility fund

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for some of the other funds in regards to the street fund. Again, the street fund is funded through gas tax revenue. And as we know, gas tax revenue has been trending down as we go to electric vehicles. And the general

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fund has had to supplement that the gas um the streets fund for several years. So, we kept that level of funding at the same and that's about 6.3 6.3 million off the top of our head. So, with that, we were running we had to make some cuts

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to stay within that line. So, we basically took out some of the increases that were being, you know, planned for right now and that was in the traffic ex um inspections, the roadway study master plan, roadway maintenance, some

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increases in that, irrigation repairs, um street light increases, maintenance the tree removal increase, traffic signal increase, and sidewalk and curb increases. And this is not the money for it. It's just the increases year-over-year.

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the Golden Gem Reconstruction and Whitening Project. You saw that 15 million on the first page that I shared with you. Again, we're taking that out. That's pending um some grant funding that we're trying to go after with um the state and the committed and future

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uncommitted projects or 102. Again, we have funds that will roll over from 26 for that. And as I said, the restrooms came from the um general fund into the impact fee fund for the um Northwest Recreation restrooms.

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Before I go into the millillage, I just wanted to make sure do you have any questions? Yeah. Any questions on the changes that were made, some of the key revenue points, uh any high level stuff in that capacity?

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I'm sure there's questions. >> I have some. Okay. >> I'm just going to wait to the >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> No question. We're doing a great job. >> Oh, wow. Thank you. >> So, we're here at that point. And again, I was sharing with the mayor that at the

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time we did this, we were we were it was based on the estimated property value balances amounts. And since then, that has changed. So, we were anticipating a 5.6 $6 million increase without a millage increase and an additional 9

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million with a millage increase but and that totaled about 14 million. But since then the mil it we've lost about on the certified values about 300 million in value. So that's about a $1.4 million

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reduction from that 14 million. But again, we the mill is now around 8 million. >> So I'm sorry. The current with the current millage rate, what would the amount be? Is that eight? >> The current millage rate what you see on

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your screen? >> Yeah. >> Is 5.6. That number with the certified values is now 4.4. with an additional meal, one meal based on the estimated values it would have been 9 million say 9.1

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with the certified values that's 8.8. So the differential is about 1.4 in total. So that's less revenue. Yes.

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>> Okay. question. >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Is this taking into consideration the do we have the potential loss in revenue from the proposed tax plan this coming in November with reduction of >> what I shared with you um I think at a

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previous meeting the they don't have the 26 details yet based on the a rough estimate of the 25 >> it was in year one I think I said 13% and in year two it was about 30%. And how will this affect our the current

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budget that's presented? Now, >> how it first step that I'm aware of that if this passes, if that Senate bill um passes, we'd have to do an exercise of of a 10% reduction and post it on our

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website. And again, it's going to reduce our property tax revenue. >> So, what I my plan and goal moving forward, and please bounce back, no problem. is that um October one we start budgeting again.

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>> We start getting ready all ready for the process of not only going through budgeting if it doesn't pass, but going through as if it does to make sure we are well ahead of this, understanding that by maybe even January of 27, we already know where our budget's going to be at. Um so that we're not having to

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rush conversations, that we can have plenty of conversations with our residents if we want to do any type of community town halls as well to get feedback. um because there there will have to be cuts here and there uh where the residents give us feedback to cut it at. So that's my plan is to pretty much

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October one start budgeting all over again uh so that we can have more detailed conversations without rushing but with as much information as possible of truly how uh how we'll have to change what we're budgeting and that that loss in in revenue. I believe that you said 12 to 13% was the first year.

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>> Yes. So that's off of the 40 million if I'm reading that correctly. >> Well, I guess it's >> Yeah, it was based because basically what it was, it was a estimate of the um by adding those additional exemptions on there for the homestead properties. So

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it's kind of it's not that simple. It's kind of complicated crazy formula. >> Yeah, it's not that simple. >> But but somewhere in there. So I mean you would said somewhere in the like the 8 millionish range >> probably. And I I apologize. I thought I had that. I mean these are rough numbers anyways but yeah so I mean $8 million

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loss in in budget you know revenue that first year and I want to say you had said 12ish 13 million that second year on top of the 8 million so 20 million over two years. Yeah, it was it was significant, but I can't remember what it is, but I did share it at that meeting. >> And one of the reasons why I keep bringing it up is because even with us

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looking at the budget now and some of the decisions we're making, we have to still take an in account that it's looking like it's probably going to happen. And even with some of the things that we're deciding to budget for now, we need to think about is it something that's a top priority? >> Exactly. >> And I think that's kind of should be

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really the forefront of of this >> some of those recurring expenses because we're losing recurring revenue. be able to >> kind of some of the projects that are important that we've been kicking the can down the road

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>> to get to them and get them done. >> But I [clears throat] mean to the point where we have the contracted, we have the purchase order ready >> and we're ready to go out and do the job rather than letting it linger. >> Yes, ma'am. So, uh, that for me is a priority

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because there's a couple of projects out there >> that I've been involved with, you know, over the years that I've seen >> it it has not moved >> yet. we've been budgeting for. Yes, ma'am. >> You're correct. >> You're correct.

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>> And I'll to to kind of echo off that actually just went out today to department heads of effectively um for every department that has any type of capital improvement plan either budgeted currently or going to be budgeted. They'll be providing timelines and updates and metrics so that and it'll be we're working on and we're going to

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massage a little bit but monthly updates on that uh to be able to provide not only to the commission but also to the residents of here's what we budgeted here's the timeline to get this project approved and it keeps everybody accountable as well because there's a lot of moving parts obviously to running a city and something's going to fall through the cracks. So this helps to

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make sure everybody's staying on track with those projects. So um you'll be seeing that once department heads start to fill those out. Uh I want to say that Mrs. Forbes created, I think, the first one and we really based it off that. So, thank you for creating that groundwork for us to be able to um have other departments really uh spell out what

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those timelines look like. So, that I know that's a consistent question it was when I was commissioner as well as mayor now of okay, where are we at this project? Where is it at? How's it doing? And and it just helps everybody stay on the same page so that there's no ambiguity or or lack of information there. And I I just think also with moving forward with the budget because

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we really don't know where this project stands. It's hard for me to even determine if this is a where the best and highest in use of the dollar should be spent because I don't know what other project is kind of going on or the stages. Is it more important? I really don't know. It's kind of kind of blind to it.

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>> True. You don't know the actual status of the project. But what I try to do in the monthly um budget to actual report is let you know some of the projects that have not moved forward. So that >> could we get like a list of of the projects before I mean so we can kind of

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know >> because I know for me there are some projects that I think is is you know important but I just think if especially for the the the new council members as well they can kind of see some of the things that we a good example is the public safety building. Like I I don't really know what's going on with the

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public safety building anymore or we scratch that. I mean what's kind of what's going on with that? Because I know that was a top priority we budgeted for. It's spent over $300,000 on conceptual plan. For me, I just feel like I'm kind of just like swimming and not knowing kind of where where I'm landing right now. >> One of the other efforts, and I mentioned it to the mayor that we're going to be working on during the month

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of August is our CIP plan, that five-year plan. We have to update that. >> And the first year of that plan is this budget. So, once we get good on the first year, we'll have to update it for the other years. And keep in mind, we did incorporate some projects in the

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utility one that we're anticipating securing funding for some F SRF loans. Okay? And I got positive news. They were working on the agreement. I'm waiting on that to come forth. And when it does, I'll be bringing it back to council. But that plan has to be updated. That's a

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part of this process as well. So, as we go through that process, you have the opportunity to evaluate some of those projects. >> Even like the bonding capacity, I know that we have you just can't just bun bun bun bun bun. Exactly. >> So even when we're saying that we're going to bond for a certain project, we have to consider which ones is more,

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>> you know, priority before we just start bonding for and I think that's where that list comes in at so we can make sure that we're not, you know, saying that we're going to bund for something and we don't have the capacity to bund for it. >> Exactly. >> So that's I'm I'm finished for now. That's well and great questions and and I will say for me my my highest

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priorities that I've kind of been pushing to the top just preliminarily with at least the 26 budget is uh is all of our infrastructure water wastewater getting those projects done as quick as possible prioritize make sure that they're out there. So, for me, that's what I've been pushing right now. And

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then obviously I'll I'll follow on your guys' lead. Hey, well, we want this as well or whatever it may be. But for me, I've been pushing that as quick and as fast as possible because I think that's one of our biggest needs our residents are experiencing right now. >> No, I I agree with you and Commissioner

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Anderson and Mayor. Um I would also ask that um when you give us that list of all the projects they're pending their status the expectation in terms of when they the timelines if you can add also why they're not moving forward what's

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been the hiccup is it user is it something else funding what have you so that way we have an idea in terms of what to you know especially when we are speaking with our constituents we can give them an answer so I appreciate that >> and my goal too and and great feedback

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as well. There's another municipality, I can't remember it right now off the top of my head, but somebody sent it to me that they provide this sheet that we're basically discussing. They send out on a weekly um to the residents like with the water bill so that it's it's out there. You get the live updates as you guys would as well. So, it helps to your point um cultivate or push forward those

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those conversations, but also absolutely you guys will be getting that same information. >> That's great. And that renders along with the transparency, you know. So, yeah, I appreciate that. That would be wonderful. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Trish. I just got the information. >> Oh, just let me let us know if you have

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any questions. Again, until now we come back um um I'll be back on the 15th to set the millage rate and >> yes. So, what we need to do tonight is really kind of set an expectation for Mrs. Sherman and as well as myself and

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staff of what the commission's goals and we're going to be about to public comment here shortly as well for feedback. Where you guys want to see this military land and what's important is that um where that lands is what we need to be cutting effectively. Um I don't think anybody wants to do an an

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entire mill increase. I'm open to feedback though. You guys tell me where you want to be at as well as the residents. Uh but at the same time, I do think there needs to be some type of increase uh to to get there, whether it's a quarter or a half a mill um to help bridge the gap of where we're at

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right now. So, >> because there's always that opportunity to cut back on the millage rate. That's correct. We can't go up. You said it. It's there, >> but um >> we can come down, but we can't go back up. Can't go up and unless we go through this vigorous process.

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Um yes. >> Yeah. This is the you know it's the challenge >> and if you've been following social media >> um you know that it's it's interesting because the residents want these projects infrastructure is the most

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important thing and the water sewer. But that's very important to get done but it's going to cost. >> Yes ma'am. And uh I know we have two funds that are just we still have the street funds and the storm water >> and and the sanitation that that are

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kind of underwater. Right. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> So and uh and and to your point to add on to that as well there there's >> there's a certain level of expectation our residents have set for us which I absolutely appreciate and agree with. >> Uh

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>> it takes money to get there. Yeah. >> And every year that we push this off, it's only going to get more expensive. There's nothing getting more affordable right now. So that's where it does come into priorities of where do we want to start spending dollars now because again this budget will lay the foundation.

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Anything we push off this year should be foundationally what starts next year but it's going to be add a percent at 10% 15% 12% whatever it may be cost to that project next year. So there there's gives and takes and and as we start to cut things out of this budget, we

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understand it's going to next year's budget of what the department heads are saying they absolutely need to get their job accomplished. So um thank you Mr. Sherman. I appreciate it. Uh any other questions from commissioner right now? >> I do. Where I see the adjustment for this the new positions? Where where do I

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is it one page where I can find it on? I just >> I would have to sh I'd have to share that with you that information for the adjustment. >> And you can send that to the entire commission please. Yes, I will. >> Thank you. >> And also for the residents, they because they I've actually received a few calls. They want to know what positions, what new positions, they kind of know what salary increases. They I got like three

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calls on that and I couldn't because I wasn't sure what it was. >> Well, we are hiring first responders, right? Didn't we just hire some >> police? I think they did. Yes. >> Yeah. But that's all part of >> But I can't I don't have >> In order to come back on the 15th,

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mayor, I need to know where you want to be. >> Correct. So, at the end of this meeting, effectively, we're not making a final decision because it's a workshop and we can't do any official business, >> right? >> I just need a sentiment from each commissioner of where you want this military to be set at. That doesn't mean we're going to be there. We can lower it. We [clears throat] just cannot raise

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it. So, I just >> We can lower it after after we set it, but we have to actually set it somewhere. >> Correct. >> So, on that, it'll be the the the meeting before next commissioning one today. So, uh just get your minds kind of where you want to be at with that so that we can direct staff properly from

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there. And I have to have it calculated. This is within a system. So I can't calculate it at podium because depending on where you said it determines how the vote has to fall out. >> Understood. >> So that's why I was the purpose here was to gain some type of consensus.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. >> We'll provide it once we I want to hear from residents kind of have final discussions from there and then we'll provide some uh directional. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> I will open up to public comment. Do we have any cards that were submitted? Anybody from the public wish to speak

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right now? >> Don't all jump up as at once. >> You already 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. This is very refreshing hearing this. uh as you know at least the last two years if not three I've asked everyone that sits on that

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side to ask the question do you have what you need and people supplies and materials to do the job none of you asked so I asked it I'm glad to hear and I want to hear them ask it concerns me is the aspect of we looked at I've lived

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here for almost 12 years now I guess a month shy of 12 years we've been kicking stuff down the road to can down the road that whole period of time some people tell you what it was Mayor Nelson. I went back before him. You keep pushing things off. You keep pushing things off. That's why we have

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trouble with water pressure. That's why we have trouble with reclaim water. That's why we have flooding. That's why we have sewer issues because it's been kicked down the road and we have to stop. We've hit the wall now. Anyone that dreams that we're not going to have a millage increase is smoking something

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they shouldn't be smoking. Uh I've always worked with budgets over 50 years in budgets. We have a three budget process. Budget one, got to have. Budget two, like to have. Budget three, dream to have. Most good budgets fall

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somewhere between like to have and got to have with an occasional dream to have. That will fall in there. By doing a budget process properly, you can you can have that the city can have it. Our staff need to have the tools to do the

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job. You got to have the tools. Got to have the people. If you're saying you're going to deliver this and we darn well better deliver it and they got to have what they need in order to do it. Uh the millage rate increase. Do I want to see milling increase? No, I do not. And it's wonderful that we haven't had much of

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one in the past. But we got to smelt what we have out here right now. And that is we have to move forward, get these things done and go. And accountability. I'm glad to hear the aspect you're going to have monthly reports. Hopefully that entails department heads being accountable

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month-to-month over under budget and responses and time frames to fix it. I'm most excited about this process. I'm most excited about the change in uh our leadership and uh thank you. Thank you, Mr. Olson.

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>> Thank you, sir. Leroy Bell 2308 Blue Meadows Court Aopka. Um, yes, if we need the military, yes, we need to. But yes, I'm here to beat the same dead horse again. Every time we

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start talking budget, every time we put up a presentation, as always, Northwest Rec Center, I see that was seven $700,000 in the budget for new bathrooms. Uh I didn't see anything up there for

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Lorenzo William Park, and you only have two bathrooms. Uh I know infrastructure, we need that. I spoke with Miss Cindy, I think it was uh uh last month uh about the drainage problem. You just had Jun out there on

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the park and you had that little rain and people had to walk through mud, the drainage. Now I understand the village has to go up and the majority of the stuff that happened at Lorenzo

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William Park were grant money. It wasn't money out the city. And with grant money, CRA money. If we're going to raise the millage, it's time to be good steward. That mean that the the citizens are going to be

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paying in in taxes. It needs to be some of that money need to be put into some of these projects. And not only that, we need pocket parts on this side. We need to put use that as well. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Bill. >> Thank you, sir. >> Anyone else from the public wish to speak? All right, we will close public comment, commissioners, we need to provide some type of direction to staff of where we want to

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set the millage rate. Um, I guess I Let's start with with one mil. It's approximately >> Well, it's less than a $9 million. >> 8.8. >> 8.8. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. So, it's an $8.8 8 million increase in revenue. Cut that in

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half. 4.4 makes kind of the math here a little bit easier. So >> every quarter mill is 2 million. >> Say that one more time. >> Every quarter mil is 2 million. >> Okay. >> And keep in mind we lowered the millage rate last year from the 4.6876

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to the 4.43. >> So we were at the 4.6876. >> So every quarter mill is 2 million. Yes, ma'am. >> So, as we and I say that and that helps immensely. Thank Sherman for that. As we every quarter we come down off of that 1

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mil increase is $2 million that we need to find and cut from the budget. >> Exactly. >> In some capacity, whether that's new positions, capital improvement items, equipment, uh whatever it may be that builds out our budget. So, >> and we're already at 1.4.

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>> Correct. So, >> we're at 1.4 44 >> because the values changed from the estimated values to the certified values. They went down. So that's already a reduction of 1.4 million. >> So we need to make up for that change in value. We need to make up $1.4 million

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already with how things are set, how the table's set right now. So which is fine. None of this I don't by no means do I want this to be scare tactics or something that oh my gosh, we're not going to survive. We absolutely can figure this out. So everybody, it's going to be okay. we're

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going to navigate through this there. There will be things that we have to cut. It is what it is. So, we just need to find a comfort level of where we want to set it and then we can still come down off of that if we want to moving forward. We just have to set it at its absolute highest that you're you're you're willing to go uh in any capacity

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next week. So, we just need to direct staff of what what that looks like overall. So, I don't know if you have feedback or comments on that. Well, one of the things that I'd like that to to bring to the comment is because we've been kicking this camp for 20 years that I know of because we always

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>> I I think we were somewhat disingenuous because we were trying to keep our millage rate so low for reasons outside of everybody else's knowledge. It was uh only supporting a select few people. With that said, we we we definitely know

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that we got some infrastructure problems, but we definitely have some traffic issues. And the traffic issues are are are I think you know one of the driving forces behind the anger that you're seeing currently on

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uh your social media requests that are coming back because you know we've been in office now two two months and we still have the tendency to be led by outside sources and you know getting

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where we are today there was there was expectations that we were going to try to curb that. Now, there is a willingness on the dis to start in that that position, but you know, we're we're adding we're adding residents. I think we're somewhat inverted because our

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residents outnumber our businesses and the commercial side of it. So, we're kind of inverted. If this what happens in November is going to take that big a bite. I want to make sure that if if we take this leap, I

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think the one is a little high. >> I'm open to letting that be the baseline of start of of conversations, but you know, I need to have a lot of reassurance that we're going to start taking ownership of some of these roads

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that, you know, we we we inadvertently, you know, we encourage the building and then we turn right around and say, well, we don't own the road. Um, you know, there there needs to be a willingness on our part to step up and and and you

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know, either declare ownership of it, you know, instead of relying on the county to backfill those funds needed to to to at least take ownership of them roads, you know, I'd be willing to have conversations moving in that direction

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if I knew that that that traffic and the infrastructure to support these sites that are going in these locations were going to be backfilled with some of those numbers. The other thing that I'd want to do is I want to capitalize on a lot of the things that we currently have. Uh is there active conversations

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to figure out how we can creatively uh bring in some of these enclaves that you know we have both uh city traffic uh garbage trucks going down. We got county traffic out and and there's a lot of revenue sources that are sitt sitting

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out there that we drive right by every day. Then we we collect the water on it, but we don't get the garbage on it. Yes. Um, you know, I I want to know collectively is is there a willingness on the on the group to have an open dialogue with some of these other people

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to where we can go out and actively u jin up some alternative sources of revenue to where we can backfill these holes that might be coming in November. Um, you know, we also have a utility

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company that, you know, I'd like to see, um, championed. I want to champion it. I want to make it a a more active part of the city. Uh, it's a it's a it's a it's a refundable service. It's a product that we can actively go out and sell. We

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just got to create a willingness on the CR, the community development side to where we can implement it in some of our future developments and make it a a viable product that we can sell and get a return on. >> Um, you know, so so what I'm saying is I

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commend you for wanting to do this. Uh, you know, we're we're taking a monumental shift and I'm I've been here 64 years. So there this is unheard of. So, I'm I'm I'm I'm glad to be on the foundation of something that's asking

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not only of us, uh, you know, the the the residents that we that we speak for that there's a willingness on our part to put them at the front of the the the line and we we take care of the the water, the sewer, the roads, the traffic

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lights. Uh, bringing more of a common sense approach to what we're doing as a dice. No. And and great comments there and and I definitely agree with you. There's there's a lot we need to back into and a lot of it and I've been doing kind of a uh a tour uh of talking to our

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local municipalities that that we border when they have agreements with between springs, AOE, Winter Garden, um Orange County, Mount Dora and going to meet with them to say, "Hey, how can we get better? How can we build more synergy together to where each municipality doesn't need to do one-off things?" So,

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I'm looking for alternative, unique, and creative ways. and these cities are as well. We're all kind of in the same position here in different areas to get creative with how we're going to move forward, not only next year, but uh 5, 10, 15 years from now. So, we are looking at creative ways of doing that. And and traffic definitely is a a big

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one of what we're dealing with. I know Orange County is working on a lot of items uh with their studies that they've done. And then two, to your point, is I'm looking for how can we build some efficiencies. the same thing you were just saying, sanitation trucks are passing each other to go service two

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different residents when it makes no sense. So, how do we build efficiencies between all of our municipalities that are around us that saves them money, saves us money, and gives better service to the residents and there are ways to do that. So, there's definitely opportunity there and I commend the

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commission for for being willing to have this discussion. I appreciate it. But also keep in mind, too, especially for our some of the newer commissioners, it's been 60 days, 67 days, something along those lines. can't happen overnight, but we are we're doing the right I think we're heading in the right direction. Um so please be patient as we

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continue to kind of move in a very new direction. But I do think um these conversations are going to help again lay the right foundation for our budgets as we move forward. >> So I I do have a question. Miss Sherman, you before the meeting, you shared with

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us the um so everyone watching and is in the room, uh Miss Sherman shared with us Orange County's uh recapization of taxes as extended on the 2025 tax uh for municipalities. And so it lists all the

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millillage for the municip surrounding municipalities equal to us um in size. And so since we are the second largest city in comparison to city of Orlando. Now this I'm I'm not proposing this. I know exactly where you're going. >> I am not proposing this. They are at

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6.65. I am not saying let's go there. That's not what I'm saying. I don't want anyone to think otherwise but we are at 4.43 in comparison. >> Correct. >> Um so and what we're proposing is a one

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a one mil. >> Correct. >> One mil. No propos we're just having the conversation about the conversation about it >> which if I'm interpreting this correctly it's bringing us up to 543 >> correct >> right which is >> a medium

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>> so that goes along with Mr. Olsson's we need to have and we'd like to have >> and keep in mind these cities will probably be proposing millage rate increases as well >> also. >> Depends who's running >> for office. >> It depends. [laughter] >> Well, we're going to stick within the

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city. >> Yes, I know. I'm kidding. I got I got a joke. [laughter] Let me do it. >> Just so there's clarity um for me in in terms of my decision and and the direction I want to go. So I just want to understand that what you shared with

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us um and what we are discussing >> um what we have then I have an idea in terms of where I how I want to move forward. >> Okay. >> So I appreciate that. So I just wanted the clarity is that I appreciate that. >> Is that where I'm is that true statement? >> Yes ma'am. That is correct.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> So make sure >> I've been here >> oh hearing somebody screaming. Put the mic on. Um, I've been here for a while and of course I've been here before CO through CO and our millage rate either

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was uh roll back stayed the same yet the demands for bring the infrastructure up to standard uh city standards. We were doing developments that for some reason many of those developments have still not even started

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to turn dirt. golden gem happened I don't know how long ago and we're still dealing with that. Um the traffic the one thing I mean I I you know since I I am retired and I kind of

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do this job almost 110% I do drive around a lot of the traffic we can't control because it comes from other counties. Our city whether we like it or not is a cut through. It it is a cut through even though the 429

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which I do travel often because there's no traffic on it during the day yet if you go during the rush hours you don't see it on the 429 you see it coming through our city and so you know we have

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other municipalities using us as a cut through >> and uh so that we can't control but the one thing we can't control the city roads that we own to keep them up to city standards. >> Correct. >> And so a lot of that has not been done

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and that's what I'd like to see that done as far as expansion of of roads. Um, I went to a meeting uh not too long ago of young people who are starting what they call a STAR program and it's

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and in their mind they're saying every time we widen a road it creates more traffic. So what they are looking to do is to upgrade public transportation to bring Sunrail up here especially because

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Apakka has the uh the the rails, >> right? So you have a a younger group looking to do that which is a good thing. In fact, I'm going to be having a meeting with the group that is kind of >> pushing >> driving that force because a lot of

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young younger generations don't own cars >> and so they would like to see more public transportation. >> Okay. But um for me with the millage rate is over the years that I have seen it go more back than forward.

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>> Um I like to see it where we can set it and kind of really massage the projects that we know are need to get done have to get done and we can always lower this by when by August I think we have to >> September. Sep

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>> by when? >> September. So, we have a lot of time to give our residents a lot of information >> of outlining what we're going to be working on within this um period

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>> and and we're going to be updating the CIP again and give you an opportunity to evaluate some of those projects >> and give timelines. >> Yes. So this way we're not >> because when we budget something and we don't get to it,

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>> we could have used that fund somewhere else. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And the most important thing is to have the staff to to be able to do the projects. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> So I mean I'll you know I know that when

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I read one mill and everyone was like there they go they're spending all the money and we're not. We have 25% um reserves and we actually have more than that >> and we're actually ahead >> currently we do but with this yes >> today is what I'm saying

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>> today right now today yes currently we do >> and we actually have set our reserves at a much higher rate than any other city we did that through an ordinance >> well yeah we do have a policy on the reserve and the target is 25%

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>> that's 25% >> that is a target >> so Um but what I wanted if mayor if I wanted to share again that the objective here is that we're losing recurring revenue because the growth is going down. So the objective here is we need

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to replace that with recurring revenue and again property tax >> going down here in the city of Apach. >> Yes ma'am. [clears throat] >> It is. >> Yes ma'am. >> So that's a good thing. >> Yeah. In Orlando as well. I've heard that as well. So I think Orange County period.

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Okay. >> So, if I may kind of lead a little bit here, if we can have it set for next week at a point 75 additional mill and then I'll work with our department heads and staff and and finance and we'll do

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our best to do well under that is the goal. I'll be honest, my my my goal for an increase would be 0.5 max of an increase. So, that's going to be my goal, but you guys told me otherwise if that's not something you're willing to go to, and we will cut even more. But

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again, everything we cut is is um hurting down the road. And and again, I I want to be cognizant of where residents dollars are at. I mean, nothing is affordable right now. Nothing is cheap, and salaries are not increasing with the rate that we may be increasing some things as well. Uh so, it's a trade-off. So, I just want to let

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that's my personal goal, but that does not mean if you guys tell me otherwise, nope, we don't want to either increase it at all or we want to go to 0.25 25 or a quarter, whatever it is, uh we'll work to get there. So, if you're okay with us tentatively setting it, giving direction for staff to bring that back um next

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week at 75 um >> 75 instead of one point. >> And remember, we can go down as the mayor just indicated. >> 75. >> Is that I just need a head not I don't need an official anything. Just did that sound okay? >> Yes. For me, we're not we're not setting

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it. We just kind of >> No, you're setting it, but you can go down before it's finalized. Yes, correct. Going >> and last year we set it at the 4.68 and went down to the 4.43. >> Yeah. Last year we rolled back. >> Yes, we went back. We went down

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>> which made it much harder for us to all we did was maintain the services that we had and we didn't really >> but then in the process we had emergencies >> that we had to go into the reserves. >> Yeah. always with the hurricanes. >> Yeah.

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>> So, we didn't really prepare for those things. >> Okay. >> Any other final comments? >> All right. Well, thank you, Mr. Sherman. Thank you, staff, department heads. I appreciate your time. We'll be meeting again in the next week to kind of figure out where we can get a little more lean.

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I appreciate everyone's efforts in this. We'll get through it. All right. Thanks.