--------- Call the July 2nd city council meeting to order. Need to read the decorum statement. Well, welcome to the public meeting of the city council of the city of Apopka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent. The city council permits and encourages input and comments by members of the public on all matters
which may come before the council for action. If you wish to address the council this afternoon, please make sure you have filled out a card with your contact information and have presented it to the clerk. When called upon, please proceed to the podium and speak clearly into the microphone stating your
name, address of record, organization of any and direct your comments to the city council and not to individual commissioners, staff, or members of the public. The council and the city staff encourages constructive criticism. However, personal attacks are prohibited. Please observe general rules
of decorum and civility. Speakers and members of the audience shall refrain from rud or derogatory remarks, shouting, disruptions, reflections as to integrity, slander, abusive comments, profanity, vulgarities, and statements as to personalities. Any violation of these provisions may result in the
issuance of verbal warnings, including warning for trespass. If violations persist after such warnings, violators may be removed from the council chambers. And with that, Susan Keep forgetting that we're not uh respecting the flag or our nation.
or having prayer prior to jumping up. Sorry. Good afternoon. Uh first thing is is we need to redo that address for the record, please. No, sir. That's not required by law. And I've written you about that. If you read my emails, you'll know I quoted then
cited the law. Um, you're not required to sign in at the stadium at the front and give that information. You're not You can give Mickey Mouse or you don't have to give anything at all. And, uh, the lawyer knows this and so does everyone up there
because I wrote everyone and it's also on the internet. Um, we're not required to give our name or our address and we don't even have to be local residents. Um, all that is in the letters I've written you and everyone up here knows it. Um, so you can't do that. And if
you'd read my emails once in a while, you'd know it. Um, I had written you and and everyone uh regarding an issue in last time's meeting about the long um term relief
for the lakes. and I asked that it be pulled from the consent agenda. That should have been s sufficient. I shouldn't have had to get up, jump up and run up here and say, "Please pull it." Um over here, we could not hear um
Commissioner Neesa's request for whatever number he said pull. We could just tell that he was saying something because again, we've repeatedly stated the speaker doesn't work. And it wasn't you did not repeat what he requested and
it wasn't until after the vote that you said what he wanted to pull. So I did not know that my request in email to all of the council was not respected because I wrote you and apparently you didn't
read it or didn't respect my request at that time and was not honored. I should not have had to get up and request it because I requested it to you in writing the week prior.
Um, all of those lakes need to be thoroughly tested. All of the lakes in the chain currently now need to be tested and haven't been. And I've told you that before. But you are not reading my emails.
you're not reading other people's emails and that results in problems in here and in the running of the city. But we need to make a change saying that everybody has to do that and the introduction to the meeting needs to
comments is and demanding that people give their name and address for the record is wrong. And I've said that before and I've written you all about it. And if I need to print it in the newspaper, I will print it in the newspaper. Thank you.
Leroy Bell. Last meeting it came from the dasis that I didn't care about this city just because I disagreed with the hustler that's coming up here exploiting
little black boys to get money. Yes, I agree. I don't care if you did work up under Rod Love, you probably did. Uh, and for a teacher that over 20 years of educated saying that a kid
learned better on the outside of a classroom is just stupid. I put up on my page Leroy Bell. Go watch the video of Mr. Love,
Hezekiah Bradford and Mina Robinson speak about how great Doug Bankston is, how great Dan Webster is, how great and kind and loving is Bryant Nelson.
The these is the ministerial alliances saying how great they is in the community. Why can't they open up? Why don't you churches open up the pews and have education there? But yet and still you
come up here and exploit the little black kids. What about the little kids like Brian Nelson? Y'all talking about the learning integrity and stuff. Maybe if you had have had a program like that back then,
maybe Brian Nelson probably would have came out a little better. But here's the thing, it makes no sense. He said the only thing that he wanted was a building, but mostly he said it
was virtually. But why? This is the way to hustle money. All you got to do is listen to the old Brokeback Mountain show that they have every Monday. Yeah. I said it and I meant it. And get
ready. People getting to quit. Quit it. And if you didn't understand what I said before, get ready for the baby armor. Sylvester. Sylvester Hall, Rock Springs Ridge. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh, this message is
for everybody that can hear my voice and everybody that's sitting here in the chamber. If you look around and you see what's going on in our country now, you know why I come up here and I repeat the same thing over and over and over again. Because at some point we have to
challenge our moral conscience. And so I say again, the city of Apakka, the state of Florida, and our country is in a national crisis because too many good people are sitting around watching bad things happen happening and not doing
anything about it, being completely silent and looking the other way when they know better. And we teach our kids better. It's time for us to stand up against hate, corruption, and racism.
When we stand up and we do the pledge, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, we know that's not truth. That's not true. But we say it so proudly because that's where we are at now. And so when you hear me say this comment that when we
normalize the abnormal, we desensitize the truth to the point the truth doesn't matter. And that's where we at now. The truth don't really matter. when you hear the truth, it don't bother you no more because you don't been desensitized to the to the to the situation. So, as a
country, as we're going to get better, that has to change. And for all Americans, all citizens, we have to realize this one thing. Until we start electing our elected officials,
we have the power to change everything that's happening in our country. We the citizen the citizen is the most powerful person in this country but for some reason you've been manipulated to un to understand that you don't have any power. So you get up and you complain
about things that you have the power to change. And what I want you to understand is when you come down to during the local elections, I want you to go back and look at the qualifications
to run for any elected office and then you look at the people that we are electing to office and that will change your concept. But we have to understand that these things matter. Principles matter. Integrity matters. Honesty
matters. Accountability matters. Responsibility matters. Morals matter. Ethics matters matter. Character matters. Procedures matter. Leadership matters and laws matter. And
all God's people matter. When we take that concept on, we will change the permanently change the status and the progress of this country. Thank you. Rod Olsson from Apopka. Uh upcoming this upcoming week, we have the budget workshops again. I hope it's not the dog
and pony show that we saw last year. Last year before the meetings, I asked one of you to ask the questions whether or not for each department head whether they had the people, the supplies, materials, and equipment they need to do the job. You didn't ask that question. I did. And only three of your department
heads answered affirmatively. Garbage in, garbage out. Failing to plan is planning to fail. The only amendments that should be going should be ongoing emergencies only. Last year and the new budget year started
October 1st. October 1st, first meeting. What are you doing? You're already moving money. It's on the agenda again today. You do every month. You do it twice a month. you do that and it's because the budgeting wasn't done properly to begin with. Infrastructure
I made a record request at which I got a bunch of in March. I about got a bunch of garbage in April and trailed into May. You have 88 positions as the end of May that were open in the city. That's 17.5% or nearly one in five of the employees of Apka are position
vacancies. We're not getting the job done. We are reactive, not proactive. We need to shift that. We need to conduct the staff survey. Find out why people are leaving. Find out why we can't keep people to come in.
New development. Shifting gears here. New development. We don't have the infrastructure. We clearly don't have the staff. 88 openings. That's 88 17.5%. Roads, sidewalks. We have water issues. Water pressure for our reclaimed water.
We have water issues across the city. We have flooding that's not being taken care of. We don't have the staff to take care of it. We are more developer focused than we are resident focused. Oh well, let's put another 5,000 homes in along Kelly Park. What the heck? What are the road plans
for it? Oh, we don't have a road coordinator anymore. So, it doesn't get done. It means that all the people that are currently driving are going to have to put up with more traffic because we have failed to plan. My hope is for the 2025 2026 budget one
of you will ask that question of every department head and if the department head cannot answer affirmatively then you need to start looking at yourself and looking at them as what do we need to get the job done right. Thank you. Albert McKime 363 Golden Gem Road. Just
to echo with Sylvester Hall's sentiments and also the sentiments of Rod Olsson. Facts do matter and the infrastructure does matter. The problem as I see it is we don't really have much of a clue where we stand in infrastructure just
now. And it really doesn't matter who takes over the helm at the next election. Unless what we're doing is based on facts, we're going to be no better off. So, how many people here could actually give me an honest answer
about the condition of the sewage system? We have over 170 lift stations. Some of those lift stations are 50 or 60 years old. They're really not meant to be still being serviced the way they are. They need new pumps. They need a whole lot of
new things. At past meetings, the city's own staff have said it could cost up to half a million dollars to recommission a lift station. Bearing in mind that you have 170 lift stations, how much money would
the city need to budget for that infrastructure? How much money do you need to budget for Golden Gem Road? Well, that depends how we tackle it. How much money do we need for water meters? How much money do we need for new wells? Here's the problem
that we have. We're shooting in the dark every time we come here because I'm sorry, commissioners, but you don't know the answers. You don't know the answers because we don't have the staff in the city just now who are department heads
to answer what you really require to know. You're dependent to a large degree on social media come to tell you what we think. And unfortunately, a lot of us in social social media have got a bad reputation. A lot of people don't think we know what we're talking about. But
the fact of the matter is I can look around here today and I can see half a dozen people that I would choose to be working for the city rather than the the people who are already here. There's something called the the the Peter syndrome. And what it's about is you can
only promote someone someone from within over and over again until they come to a point where they've exceeded what their abilities are. So I think that's a problem that we have to resolve. What we should really be looking to do is to
appoint new people from out with the city, people who are eminently qualified to be able to give you answers. The other thing is I'm happy to come down here every week and I'm happy to try and give you solutions to your problems, but I really don't get the chance because
nobody is here to answer my questions. I can't address the department heads. If I can't ask questions, how do you know if those questions are relevant? Commissioners, you need to support the people more. People like us who do know what we're speaking about. Thank you.
What's that? Well, got we get prayer and pledge and invocation. Commissioner Smith. Our father is once again that we come before your presence. Come and say thank you for the many blessings bestowed upon us. Thank you for this opportunity to be servants of this city. We ask heavenly
father you continue to lead us, guide us and direct our path. Bless all that are gathered here today. In thy son Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Fact for the day. On July the 2nd, 1776, the second Continental Congress assembled in Philadelphia formally adopt Richard Hinder Lee's resolution for independence from Great Britain. The
vote is unanimous with only New York abstaining. Two days later, on July 4th, 1776, delegate from the 13 colonies adopted a Declaration of Independence, a former statement ending the colonist allegiance to Great Britain. Back for the day.
All right, got a set of minutes from June 18th, 2025. Look for a motion to approve if there changes. Well, the what does need to be changed on the front is that it said that I approved the minutes previously, which I did not vote on at all. You didn't give me the opportunity to. So, that needs to be adjusted to
properly in those minutes. So, four four and one abstain. Is that what you want? You didn't give me the opportunity to vote. So, I don't I don't know what that needs to be reflected as, but I didn't get the opportunity to vote. So, however you want to have those recorded properly, uh, that needs to be adjusted
before we approve those minutes. Okay. For a motion to approve with those changes. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Bradley.
Okay. Just just for the uh agenda, just a review. Do you want to do the uh employee awards first? The agenda review. Okay. Uh I have two items uh requesting polling. Uh number three on consent
and number five on business uh interlocal agreement with Orange County. We're asking to continue that one to August 6th. Okay. We have a meeting with the county on the So business item five is being continued to August 6th and then we're pulling completely consent item
number three. Yes. Correct. Yes. Okay. So what's happening with that? Bring bring it back at a later date. Is there a date certain that we've already decided? No, we need some more time to review that. What what additional items are there to review uh the agreement?
Okay. All right. Looking for a motion to We don't have an MOT. Are you following the agenda? Employee recognition is supposed to be two up. Yeah, I understand. For a motion to um
table the consent ag consent agenda agenda item number three and number five to date certain of August 6th. got a motion by Commissioner Smith, second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All oppose? Motion
carries unanimously. Okay, Joe. Okay, so today is the end of the quarter. So, we are going to uh we have an opportunity to recognize our employees for their years of service. Uh we have quite a few employees that are
here today, which is great news. uh as I call their name, they're going to come up uh possibly uh greet the commissioners, come over here, get their pens and certificates, and then we'll um hold on for a picture after. So, first
we have Jodie Rakeley. She's with the city clerk's office. Jod came in. She's on vacation today. So, she she made sure I knew that. So, came right from the pool. She did come from the pool. Uh Jod was born in Florida and
raised in Apopka. She is a graduate of Apopka High School and obtained a bachelor of applied science in supervision and management from Daytona from Daytona State College. She's currently working on her municipal clerk certification certification from the
Florida Association of City Clerks. Jod began her career with the city on May 26, 2010 as a communications technician within the police department. On December 11th, 2017, she transferred to the position of code enforcement
secretary. Then on December 18th, 2023, she was promoted to her current position of deputy city clerk within the city clerk's office. When not at the office, Jod enjoys cooking for friends, which is true. She does bring in some food. Uh
co-workers and family. On the weekends, she loves going boating and having cookouts. So next we have Jessica Pew, Finance Department, Procurement Division. [Applause]
Jessica forced all of her employees to come over here and they they told me they wrote a you know complaint against you. So um Jessica was raised in both upstate New York and the Florida panhandle. She moved to Central
Florida in 2002 and received a bachelor's degree in business management from UCF. Jessica began her career with the city of Apakka on June 29th, 2015 as the assistant to the city administrator. On
November 12th, 2018, she transferred to the finance department as the purchasing administrator. Then on April 3rd, 2022, she was promoted to her current position as purchasing manager. Jessica looks back fondly at the many successful
projects she has been a part of of throughout the city as well as meaningful relationships she has built over the years. When not at the office, you'll find Jessica enjoying life, peace, travel, and adventure with her
husband of 19 years and their I don't know if I could say this sassy little pup. Uh now Jessica wrote this uh Macy. So, I don't know if Macy is a little dog or a broughtweiler or something. I don't know. Okay. She's just that. So, she
also enjoys spending time with her supportive family members and wonderful friends and participating in activities that include wildlife and interacting with animals. So, next we have two individuals that are not present. Joshua Bolander, uh,
fire department. He's celebrating five years. Timothy Sunall, Sunball, uh, fire department, celebrating five years. Uh, we have Niles Sturm, the fire department, emergency medical services
division, and he's celebrating 20 years. [Applause] And Niles also forced his family to come today. So, Uh, Lieutenant Sturm was born and raised in Orlando and is a graduate of Dr.
Phillips High School. He went on to earn his uh, paramedic state license and also hold several special operations certificates. Lieutenant Stern began working with the city as a volunteer firefighter. On April 19th, 2005, he was hired full-time
as a firefighter first class in suppression. After successfully completing the paramedic program, he transferred to the EMS division as a paramedic on December 11th, 2016 and was promoted to the rank
of fire engineer on December 3rd, 2017. Then on October 29th, 2023, he was promoted to his current rank of fire lieutenant. When not at the station, Lieutenant Sturm enjoys spending time with his beautiful wife of 24 years,
Patricia, their two daughters, Nyla and Abriana, and their dog, Nova. He also enjoys playing golf and pickle ball. [Applause]
So, next is Caleb Sabat Gonzalez, uh, parks and recreation department. He is not present today. He's celebrating uh 5 years. Uh next we have Xavier Lugo Lugo, Parks and Recreation Department, grounds and athletics division.
He's celebrating 10 years. Xavier began his career with the city of Apakka on May 24th, 2015 as a maintenance worker one with the recreation department. On March 13, 2016, he was reclassified to maintenance
worker 2 and then again reclassified to his current position as parks worker. So, next we have uh Anthony Goldmith. Uh he is not present today. Public Oh, he is. Okay. Sorry, I didn't write you down. So,
so that's a great surprise. Thank you. uh wastewater treatment plant division 5 years. Uh Anthony began working for the city of Apo Apakka on May 4th, 2020 as a maintenance worker one in the utility plant maintenance division of public
services. On December 23rd, 2020, he was promoted to the position of water plant operator trainee and in the wastewater treatment plant division. And on June 15, 2022, he was promoted to wastewater plant operator C. Then on June 15,
20123, he was promoted to his current position of wastewater plant operator B. Next is Marlon Harris, who is here. Okay, sorry. I got that right. public services department design
engineering division 20 years. So Marlin was born in Orlando and raised in Apopka. He is a graduate of Apopka High School and joined the Iron Works Local 808 prior to beginning his career with the city of Apopka. Marla began working with the city on
April 25th, 2005 as a utility service worker too within the water distribution maintenance division of the public services department. On February 19th, 2024, he was promoted to his current position of construction inspector.
Marlin feels that everything he had done in his 20 years of service with the city prepared him for his for this position. Additionally, he appreciates all of the co-workers he has met over the years and the relationships they have built. In his off time, Marlin loves getting into
the car with no destination in mind and exploring new areas in Florida. That's good. That could be dangerous if you run out of gas in certain areas. So, that is our um pin ceremony uh the the
uh participants. So, if you would like to take a picture, that would be great. So, yep. This is Which one is his? This is um All right, we've got u four consent
agenda items. One, two, four, and five. Look, does anybody need to either from the dis or from the uh public need to pull any of those four items? Yeah. Before we jump in, didn't we Usually when we table something, we and it's been on the agenda, we still give the opportunity for public to comment on it. Sure. So, I think if we're going to
table the two, we need it if public does want to speak about it. And I have a couple questions too just to understand um both uh what been table just so we can understand the trajectory of both. I think that'd be valuable. So So number three on the consent agenda I think needs to have a public comment period.
All right. So look for a motion to approve consent agenda items 1, two, four, and five. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Nesa. All those in favor? I oppose. Motion carries. All right. Uh number three, the
Florida Economic Consortium, the one we Yeah, that's where we're doing. Yeah, you at the beginning of each meeting. Hold up. She need to sit down and listen to my comment. She need to sit That's disrespectful.
I can wait. Oh, wait. No, keep No, that No, we can wait. He's here to speak to everybody on the D. Pardon me. No, I I'll wait. You can't do this. I came here. I came here to speak
to all five and all five were present. Maybe we need to take a five minute break then if one of the commissioners need to take a break then. I think we're fine. So you can speak to the the for taking a five minute break. I'll wait. I'll wait. I'll wait for a break. I'll
wait till after the break. He just called for a break. He doesn't get to call for a break. You know this this shows the public just how much that this woman is for rod love and you is shielding him. This this go
further to prove just how that you is filling these preachers pocket with money over here. This go shows how that you are filling the pocket of your friends over the citizen in Apopka.
You is a piece of trash along with this woman right here. And you going to let her disrespect a citizen and you going to stand up there and look
like a goofy a goofball what you are. It's a shame. Alexander Smith, Brian Nelson, Diane Velasquez, and Nadia Anderson. I pray that your ass don't get
elected come March because you is a disgrace to a popular. You a disgrace to the race. And I meant that with every fiber of my body, every everything that I can muster up and people can see just how
corrupt and I I I I I don't even have any word for you, man. Mayor, can we discuss decorum? I mean, you you read the cororum statement, but are not applying it to any Well, you can look at me. It it don't it don't bother me, Mr. Smith.
It don't bother me because you have shown your true colors. Come on. We need to keep this to to the Well, well, you Well, I tell you what, you couldn't keep her in the seat. You couldn't keep her in the seat. Now you going to make you going to have her
disrespect me. She disrespect herself when she came in and tell me she worked up under Rod. She disrespect herself when she said she worked for him when he been fired from the state. But yet and still you want to pack money
in his pocket. You get what? You just uh uh what the Advent Health just fixed up a media center over in New Hope with the ethic violation against this clown here. Why don't you open up the pews? If the
little black children can't read, it's simply because they ain't got nobody to leave. Man, y'all are And you is a sorry sack of with four degrees in education and
having worked with the low lowest educated kids and the lowest IQ kids for a great deal of my educational career and working with grants.
I am highly concerned about the fact that the current administration at the federal level just cut all grants to after school and summer camp
in the last 24 hours. That means all of the needy kids whose parents don't have money for afterchool care, those kids are going to end up on the streets. That's going to increase our police
action. Kids accessible to gangs and to um human trafficking. kids are going to be. We're going to have more latch key kids. Now, I don't know this man or his programs. I don't
know anything other than I saw that there was some that his he needs to be vetted more when it comes to his um licensing, etc., which all of your organizations that you give any money to or associate with or lend your property
to needs to be closely vetted for their um state license, their state check of charity, um how often they're late filing their taxes, if they filed their IRS this year, if they filed it on time,
if they did it in June or not. Um, these things need to be checked and and followed through. Like I check a lot of businesses um and why they were late and who made what kind of income off of the charity. Um, but my greatest concern is those
kids, and I posted it today online, is that when the federal government cuts off all of summer school for charities and all of summer camps, um, a pop is going to be in a desperate
place. So if we do the right thing and do the right vetting, it may be a good thing to find charities, not just one, but charities to put kids into summer camp
and after school activities. It doesn't have to be churches. Um, we need them to have a v variety of places to go. And people who have been teachers know that they need hands-on
activities, but our biggest concern is keeping them off the street streets and keeping them occupied and keeping them learning. Albert McKimmy 3603 Golden Gem Road. We're always going to have contentious and emotive issues down here, but really
we need to re really look at having Robert's rules of order for here. It's been mentioned a couple of times lately. We used to be called the Peanut Gallery. In recent months, I've tried to come here and be nothing but constructive.
But when I see what happens here today, why why do I want to be part of moving forward into a greater Apopka? It really disheartened me what I see here today. There's no reason for what just happened.
I said earlier, we really need to have the the constituents of Apopka all on side. And today there's thousands of people will review the video feed that came from here. How many businesses do
you really think want to be involved with a city that behaves the way we do? Agree with that. We need to stay to the issue. The issue is about the consortium though. If that's what you want to speak about, that's that's the
Sylvester Hall, Rock Springs Ridge. Uh it is always a positive when anybody want to come in and improve uh a popka situation. But as you staff, as leaders, we got to
know what works and what don't work. And a lot of times we don't even spend no time vetting anything because stuff that comes out during the city council meeting should have already been vetted where it shouldn't have been an issue once it got to this level.
I have been fighting this battle in the city of Apopka for over 20 years. I retired out of the Navy in 2003. If you go back and you look at a film, you'll see where I was fighting the battle when we was having so many murders over in South Laaka. You'll see
my face on the local news. So, when it comes to the prison pipeline for second and third graders, if you're not at reading level, that's where you end up at. But here's the thing, that's not a that's not a black thing. That's a society thing.
It's not only black kids that end up. So, it shouldn't be a special program where we point out it's just for black kids. And you always hear me talk about there's a cause and there's an effect on everything in life. And when we start
start addressing the cause, we will come up with permanent solutions. But as long as we address the effects, we're going to continue to put band-aids on the problem. And that's not gonna that's not going to work. Anytime somebody come
here and present anything to you guys, they should have receipts. They should have receipts that you can vent. And if this organization has quote unquote been working in the community doing things, he should have receipts showing where his program
turned around second and third graders that was having reading issues. If he don't have that, he don't have no receipts. And these are the things when I say we normalize the abnormal, these things in leadership are just oneonone
and mostly it's common sense. But we're not taking that approach and that in returns hurt the whole city and it hurts the hurts the residents uh period because we remember there was a shooting over there at the
amphitheater. Bullets don't have nobody name on it. bullet don't have no bullets don't have what's your class whether you're rich whether you're poor it don't have no names on it but these are the effects that happen when we don't do our
due diligence as leaders everything start with you guys you are the safety conscious for the city of Apaku please take that in consideration anybody else okay so and because it's here and I want to discuss this specific
topic is the goal here is to get a is it a use agreement? Is that what we're working on? No, it's a larger program with the FC. So there we do need more time to review the agreement that was sent our way. So
it's not what we what was presented last last meeting. Then more extensive. It's more extensive. Okay. Then hopefully we'll have a new updated presentation kind of the updated request not just the agreement then. Correct. We'll need we need more time to put that together. Okay. And and I guess
where did the change come in or why was there a change? I just I got had a the discussion with the DJJ uh on Monday and they were to give us what the agreement would look like. I thought it was a one pager. here's kind of what
we're we're hoping to accomplish and it came out and it's 15 or 20 pages and I said well we can't we can't bring that forward without Rodlo here to discuss it and so we just you know and our legal to look at it so it was a who sent that agreement huh who sent that agreement
love I thought the EJJ well no it it came from DJJ Travis Logan can we get a copy of that please Yeah. Okay. Just to understand again what the expectations are there. Uh and then two
again you read it to quorum statement at the beginning of this meeting very detailed very specific but you're not applying it equally and equitably to everybody. Do you plan to apply it or is it just as needed or as you feel is appropriate?
We have you. We approved a decorum statement addressing the public, things of that nature, and you're not applying it equitably to anybody. You just didn't do it then. Do we need a new decorum statement, an updated one? Are you going to apply it or not apply it? I think we're good. We're not good. These
meetings are getting out of control because you're not applying a decorum. You're not applying what you read every single meeting. So, are you going to start now or just continue to ignore it? Well, well, let's It's funny that you say that because you got you got one one of your supporters that doesn't stand for the pledge of allegiance, which is
fine. That's that's okay. You got one that's always disruptive and you had another one last week or two weeks ago that that thinks that well in this one today that wanted to to curse in front of the the mic and you don't do anything about it. Well, that they're your supporters. I would think you'd say if you want me to start leaving the
meeting, I'm happy to do it. No, just why don't you ask your your friends to Hey, why don't you knock it off? Then why do you read a decorum statement if you're not going to apply it? Just apply the decorum statement. How many have you seen of my people that that that treat the the uh the city council the way I've got uh police reports if you want to see
those of your people? Uh I got plenty of stuff that may not happen right here but happens elsewhere. Okay. So theor within city council is is you're the one that applies it. Are you going to apply it or not? That's the simple question. Are you going to apply it or not? Question is are you going to keep your people under control that aren't that aren't following the
court? My people you're the chair of this meeting. If you want me to run it, I will apply the decorum toe equally. You don't apply it. I'm asking you, you read it every meeting. Just apply it. Are you going to do that or not? So, so what you're saying is you want me to take care of your people then that I want you to do your job. Your job that
you were sworn to do. Do your job. Okay. All right. Are you going to apply it? Sure. Thank you. Okay, Bradley. Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Bradley Williams, interim city administrator. Uh, first item on the
business agenda today is the uh confirmation of our new economic development director, Miss Andreet Forbes. She's here with us today. Um, city conducted a comprehensive recruitment process identifying uh quality candidates to lead the econ economic development department. The
role is critical in advancing the city of Apakka's strategic goals around business retention, attraction, workforce development, and community revitalization. Uh, Miss Forbes was selected following a competitive selection process. Uh, we had 34 applicants, conducted eight interviews over two different sessions.
Um, and I'll let Miss Forbes come up and introduce herself here in a minute if she'd like, but I'll give some of the highlights. She has over 19 years of experience uh in economic and business development. Her current role is with the city of St. Cloud, Florida for at least one more day. I think one more
day. Um as the economic development director. Uh in that role, she also is the director of their CRA program. Um she holds a master of public administration from Nova Southeastern, a master of economic development practitioner from University of Southern Mississippi, is an FRA redevelopment
professional, uh a lean six sigma yellow belt from the Florida GF Coast University, and is a development finance certified professional. So, we're very excited to have her join in the team with us here in Apka. And I'll let her give a few brief words and our recommended motion is to confirm her
as our new econ economic development director. Good a good afternoon, Antranet Forest. My comments will be extremely brief. I simply want to say that I'm very excited to join the city of Apka. I've spoken to each one of you individually. I enjoy u
learning to about Apka. I also want to hear what your priorities are so we can move forward um together and figure out how we can make Apocalyp even better than it is. I've said to you all individually and I'll say publicly, my first priority is always to our local businesses first. How do we help them
grow? How do we help them expand? And then our second one is business retention because we can only bring new businesses in when we work with our existing ones and make sure that they are thriving and successful. So with that, I am available for any questions, but I'm certainly excited to join the
city. Any questions? No, I just want to say and I I appreciate the time you spent with me yesterday. That was I think very valuable and it was great to connect on that level. Your resume speaks for itself obviously well before you even get to the room. It it speaks for itself. So it's very cool to see your passion for this uh your expertise and
knowledge base in this. So thank you for that. Um some of the things that you um had spoke about was you know retail leakage while we were meeting things of that nature. Um obviously you just spoke about how important it is to focus on our businesses that we have now. Yes. As well as new businesses. Um can you just speak a little bit more to that and how
you can um just some ideas or what you've found successful that you bring here for for us. Sure. So one of the biggest things and I hope this volume works. So one of the biggest things with our local businesses many times they don't know what economic development is or how it actually can help them. And
there are several programs that are available, some financial but mostly technical that can help our existing businesses. One of the things that we found particularly during COVID is that many existing business owners are so business so busy running their existing business that they are not necessarily
um keen on some of the programs that are available to them at no cost to help them learn how to pivot. So for example, in St. cloud. We had a lot of our downtown businesses that were relying upon walk-in traffic and their usual customers. And so we had to create
programs to show them e-commerce, how to do financial transactions online, how to advertise their business using third-party. And so we were able to do that through our partnerships. We have great partners in the area that their whole mission is to help our businesses
and we already fund them through our tax dollars. So why not make those resources available? Another program that we have is simply bringing some of those resource providers inhouse at city hall. A lot of our businesses don't have the time or even the luxury to commute
further than I'd say about 20 minutes outside of their geographic area. So why can't we bring those things in house? So, one of the things that I I think I do a good job in is being very creative and finding ways that we can use what are usually limited resources, but to
maximize and leverage those resources with some of our other partners in order to make a bigger impact. Absolutely. And I love it. Again, I think just your expertise and you've you've navigated some dynamic um changes in the market and things of that nature. So, that's really cool to see that you you've done that already. Um you you were doing the
CDBG grant in St. That's You're not going to be doing that here, correct? I was not told I was going to do We're still We're when she gets here, we got a bunch of things we got to kind of talk about what what she will help either, you know, directly or indirectly. So, I that's we're still to be determined, you
know, her ultimate role here. So, I will reply that's usually under the other duties as assigned. I will make my knowledge available as needed. Um, so under my existing role, yes, I handled the CRA, economic development, and I'm going to spell out the acronym for those unfamiliar. It is the
community development block grant. It is a federally funded program from the housing and urban development where you get funding for low-income persons or low-income areas. I also manage the SHIP with a P fund, which stands for the state housing initiative program. that
is funding for down payment assistance um for seniors looking to do rehab and repairs, emergency repairs due to hurricane and national disasters um at one point I also managed our seplane um base um occasionally I did
some events and other duties as assigned. It's all about leveraging the resources you have in order to maximize the the effect. Absolutely. I think it's all about resourcefulness and that's I again you keep speaking to that which I appreciate. Two last questions here. Uh and we spoke about this uh yesterday as well. Um for business tax receipts or
BTRs, you had seen an increase when uh you were in St. Cloud of was it 29%. It was closer to 30%. Okay. So 30% there. And are you pro uh BTRs? I am pro for the data piece of it, not
necessarily for the fee. So, one of the hardest things when you are entering a new area is to figure out who your business community are and what their needs are. And so, the registration process helps because then I'm able to identify them and then reach out, get
demographic information, get sales data. If I don't if there's no um registration or some way for a business to alert us that they exist, then it's it makes it that much more difficult. Yeah. How do you know how we can serve them properly? Correct. And create synergy with other
businesses coming in and things of that nature. Right? So again, it's not necessarily about the fee. It's more about getting that data because that's how you're able to extrapolate information and say, well, hey, our businesses grow by X percentage. We're also able to identify the industries of
those businesses. So if we're looking to diversify, we need to know what those businesses are. You need to know whom your homebased businesses are. A lot of our homebased businesses, for example, grew during COVID because people turn their side hustles into actual businesses. Well, if you want to pull those businesses from homebased to brick
and mortar, there's a process that goes with that, but we can't follow that business if we don't know how to contact them. Absolutely. Well, I appreciate you being here today and I look forward to as long as we give you your wings of fly, like I said yesterday, give you the space to do what you need to do, you you have the background and the experience
to do education and I have full faith as long as you're able to do it, you will do great. Thanks. Let's get to work. Well, I just one last thing I wanted to bring up that was interesting. Got a call or a text yesterday from Michelle Bolman. She said, you know, she's worked
with you on some some different projects and she said we made a great hire. So, I just wanted to, you know, share that with you and with the the public that Michelle Wen thinks we we made a good pick and and I I second that uh that motion. Thank you. So, anyway, with
that, anybody want to speak on Albert McKime 363 Golden Gem Road. It's awesome that we filled this position. Uh and we would like to to welcome our new employee to the city. We are very fortunate in Apopka. We have things here
that other people can't buy. We have a lot of natural beauty. We have the springs. We have all sorts of things that I hope we can retain as they are. What I would like to see and I feel a lot of the city echo this is that we
want to reduce our sports brawl. Keep that away from the areas where we have natural beauty. The other concern that we have just now is we have a lot of warehouses. Warehouses do nothing for the city. They produce nothing. They're storage space. I hope that this young
lady can encourage manufacturing to come to Hopka because when you bring manufacturing into a city, you increase all the other facilities that are required by those I just want to say welcome. Your res resume speak for itself and hopefully we
have a long encounter with you. Thank you. Okay, anybody else? All right. Miss Forbes, I wanted to welcome you and hope that you have an exciting career here and productive. Um, this city has a
lot of room for a lot of businesses because people are now working virtually and at home and I used to bring a lot of businesses to town. and I had a UPS store, so people worked through my store. And so I've had a physical
business in town. I've had virtual businesses nearby and online. And um I've produced helped a lot of businesses form. And so I hope that a lot of people get a lot of production out of the CRA, what's left, and get that money used and
out of the way, but also get production out of it. And I want to see that the city of Apakka turnaround and I think that you can do that with your education and background. All right. With that, anybody else? If
not, look for a motion to approve Antonet Forbes as a city's new economic development director. Wow. Okay. Got a motion by Commissioner, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I'm sorry. Who did you say?
Who did you take first? And you. Oh, okay. Thank you. Okay. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Bradley. Uh, business item two is uh public services department reorganization and director confirmations.
Upon the departure of uh our prior public works director, uh administration did a full operational review of public services departments and divisions and uh the review included assessment of staffing, operations and management of the public services divisions and
resulted in a reorganization of public services into three sorry into two separate departments. The public works department and the utilities operations department. The public works department uh responsibilities will include city engineering, development review engineering, utilities engineering,
transportation and storm water engineering, construction management, GIS and assets management, streets and storm water maintenance. The utilities operations department will oversee water plant operations, wastewater plant operations, plants maintenance
operations, and utilities maintenance to include water, wastewater, and lift stations. Upon review of the existing internal management, city administration uh has selected city engineer Vladimir uh Simonowski to fill the role of public works director while maintaining his
role as city engineer and water resources utilities operation manager Glenn Brooks to fill the role of utilities operations director. Uh both these individuals have 20 plus years uh of dedicated service to the city. Uh Mr.
Simonoski uh prior as a utility design manager and uh Mr. Brooks through many different uh roles in the water resources uh department uh most latest being the water resource utilities operations
manager overseeing all water plants wastewater plants and plant maintenance. So our uh recommended motion is to confirm Vladimir Simonoski as our public works director and confirm Glenn Brooks as our utility operations director. And I know at our staff meet or at our agenda prep meetings. I did share uh the
updated org charts with the reorganization, we've also implemented um some crew leader positions to help further promote uh promote the opportunity for job growth within those departments. Okay. Y'all have anybody got questions
for either one of them? I just have a question and you spoke about this briefly just then is that we had a our previous public service director. He was here for like two weeks and then just kind of disappeared. What happened there? So, uh, our public services director, Mr. Budoo, when he left, the
plan was to split the public services department into three departments, city engineering, public works, and um, utility design and or utilities. Um, the role that um, Mr. Montaz was hired
for was a public works director position. um that didn't align with when he got here what he really wanted to do. Uh he did we just don't articulate that I guess during the hiring process? I I'm it was articulated uh
it just didn't align after it started. That's a quick turnover for a department head. Correct. Um so when that happened again we went to look and see what that operation needed and we looked at the work units that were being completed by the public
services department as a whole um and tried to group these into two areas that make sense operationally. So utility operations uh our plant maintenance water plant and wastewater plants uh did not have direct oversight over the
utility lines. So, the water, wastewater, and reclaim lines. Um, so those areas make sense to be together because they're all part of the same system. Uh, city engineering, uh, has a lot to do with the capital improvement plans for utilities, design, has a lot
to do with transportation, uh, engineering and and, uh, review, obviously, community development review, um, and then those construction of those projects when the city is doing those upgrades to utilities and public works areas. uh we need the engineering team to have some oversight over that. So it
makes sense. The restructure makes sense. I I get it and from our our meeting yesterday, I think it it's something that other municipalities are doing as well or have already done. I guess we're kind of late to the game on this one, but correct. It's it's not uncommon for public works directors to
also be the city engineer. Um so that's a very common thing. And then utilities departments typically have the whole purview of the utility system. Right. No, I understand. No, it absolutely makes sense. Do we have a transportation coordinator currently on staff? So we have actually we have a second senior
engineer starting on July 7th. So this Monday and we also have a transportation coordinator starting on July 7th. This Monday. Monday as well. Correct. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for Radley or either anybody from the public wish to speak?
Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane in the Popka. Uh congratulations for these uh two individuals of the new responsibilities. Uh I do have some great concerns based again on my record request when I had record request and your prior um facilities manager
indicated that 30% 30% of the city assets are past their normal lifespan. I also requested in my in my request to the city in March details with regard to the aspect of preventive maintenance to which I got nothing. Uh I my hopes are
on these new positions that we make sure that we have a preventive maintenance plan in place as well as a metered plan for all the equipment that's passed this normal lifespan. Thank you.
Anybody else? Okay. Probably need to do two different motions. Yeah. So like to have a motion to confirm Vladimirky as the new public works department director. So got a motion by Commissioner Anderson, second by
Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, uh motion to confirm Glenn Brooks as the new utilities operations department director. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by
Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries and absent. Congratulations, guys. All right. Next up, phase 2B Plat Crossroads at Kelly Park. Good afternoon. For the record, Bobby How Planning Managers is a plat for
phase 2B of Crossroads at Kelly Park. It is located within the Crossroads of Kelly Park development. This plat serves to establish portions of Scrub Hickory Avenue, Zephr Lily Avenue, and Marshall Street rights of way to support the expansion of and connectivity within the
crossroads to Kelly Park development. This plat is consistent with Florida statute 177, the major development plan which was approved and the construction site plan was approved. The development review committee recommends approval. The planning commission unanimously recommended approval. The motion this
afternoon is approval. Uh attorney hand is here and he would like to brief the commission about changes to the planning statute. Um basically in a nutshell, platting will be administratively approved from here on out based on the bill that's signed by the governor.
Andrew. Thank you, Mr. Howell. Uh, city council, I just wanted to provide a bit of an update. I know that Cliff will be coming forward uh to you with a number of uh new bills and so forth that have been approved by the governor just within the past week. Um what uh what what what Bobby's referring to is is one
of those. It's this Senate Bill 784, which became a law um yesterday. It was approved by the governor on the 20th and it provides or requires uh cities and local governments to uh essentially go or offer an administrative process for
plat approval. Um given that this was already on the agenda, it made sense just to have it come before you. And because of the the date and the time frame that this was approved on the 20th, became a law yesterday. Uh obviously all local governments are situated in the state of Florida where
uh most are still reacting to some of the bills that came through last year. Uh this is something that uh obviously cities couldn't get ahead of. Uh and accordingly in the motion what uh I recommended to Mr. What I recommend to
you is that you include a uh as part of the motion um a directive to uh your city administrator to be able to to sign these plats until such time or at least for this one in particular until such time as we can bring forward a resolution and ultimately um some
ordinances that are revising the plat process to conform to some of the requirements and updated permitting requirements in the state of Florida. Any questions for Andrew? So, thank you for that. I appreciate the kind of update on that. Ba, but
basically with that law being in place as of yesterday, and I'm not saying by any means that this is it, but if we were to deny this, I guess should we even be voting on this at all now that it's not technically within our purview to approve it or deny
it? Ultimately, uh, it's before I mean, it it's already on the agenda. It did not make sense to pull it off. to answer your question in particular. Uh if you have any questions or if there's anything that you wanted to discuss regarding it, you can. As far as a matter of what you're actually voting
on, uh really like I said, the directive would be for the city administrator to admittedly approve administratively approve the the plat so long as it conforms to 177, which which staff has testified that it does. Okay. I just want to make sure it's not opening us up in any capacity that well you guys voted
on that even though it shouldn't have come before you to begin with only because of that new law then I just want to make sure right what we would be seeing is I changed the plat to essentially place city administrator's name on the plat for that approval and ultimately uh the city administrator
would be executing it in the meantime what I'm anticipating I'll be discussing this cliff is probably the most most likely the next meeting you'd be having a resolution coming before you so that any other plaque was going to go through the same process until such time as all of the uh ordinance updates are done uh
to reflect. So, they'll still come to us, but it'd be we approved the the administrator effectively, Bobby or whoever to providing the authority to the administrator either to the city administrator or to to Bobby or some other senior staff member to uh ultimately administrative proof of
correct. But isn't the the I guess the the spirit of this bill is to create efficiencies and to kind of streamline the process by putting it on agendas or having to wait for approval from council. Doesn't that uh is it's counterproductive to what that bill is stating? Well, right now the city's in a
situation where no one is authorized to sign plex because the city code specifically requires and and statues as until yesterday as of until yesterday required the governing body to approve and execute the plan. Sure. So, uh
ultimately right now there's a state of limbo. Um what Mr. Mr. How and I discussed is keeping it on the agenda just so you can see this so I can provide the update and ultimately providing the authority for the city administrator for this one to execute the plaque. The resolution that
would be coming before you in the future or you know ultimately whatever Cliff settles on and discusses with you would be uh not just not for this plaque but for that forthcoming just to get it into the administrative purview until the ordinances can be corrected. Okay. Okay.
Understood. Thank you. No, just with all these changes, I like to get as many questions out as possible just so that we don't get in any uh gray areas there. So, I appreciate the uh the info there. Thank you. Absolutely. My pleasure. Any other questions or
so? The only thing I I I remembered asking a couple of questions and um and I do understand this that was into written into the law as of yesterday, but now that it just goes to the either the um city administrator or the
community development director, is there some way where of a plat is approved just forformational purposes that the commission at least be notified that you know through an email that you this plaque came through and we
approved it because I understand that any development has to go through DRC planning and zoning and it comes through us as an ordinance but then the plats usually come afterwards at some point afterwards but sometimes what we're left
with is yeah we had approved the ordinance first and second reading and usually by the time the plaque comes to us we realize that you know now it's it's an actual development and it's going to be turning So is there some way to kind of just um I guess with the resolution at some
point just kind of notify the commission you know this plat was approved. Absolutely. That's something the city can work through with an internal process to provide that notification and in the meantime there are other provisions the statute in certain circumstances require a preliminary
plat. So what you will be seeing uh uh ultimately is an update to the entire platting ordinance that provides a new process that I think will still keep the city in the loop. The last step would be some sort of internal mechanism so you get that notification that hey the
plat's done. It's going to be recorded. It's finished out but that would uh you know not be part of a obviously the approval process. some sort of notation. However, uh council commission would, you know, prefer to receive that can certainly be worked out with with your
staff. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Very welcome. Any other questions? Okay. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? I'll be a 3603 golden gem road. For some time now, I've always been concerned about consistency in how we do things. I
suspect that this will increase consistency. But what I would really like to understand a little bit more is will it affect time scales any? because I don't hear anything that tells me
whether this is going to speed things up or slow things down. Anybody else? Not close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the plat for phase 2b of the crossroads at Kelly Park. Someone got a motion by
Commissioner Vasquez. I thought it was to Was that the recommendation? It's it's not within the agenda, but uh what I would also ask is that the council provide that or provide some direction and to allow the city administrator to execute the plan. You want to put that in within this motion? Within the motion? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. So, I
guess I'm looking for a motion to approve the plat for phase 2B for the crossroad to Kelly Park and look for a resolution within the next two council meetings to just direction to authorize the city administrator to to execute
this particular plat. Okay. So direction for the city administrator to execute this plan. So move. Okay. Got a motion by commissioner Anderson. I had it ready. I'll leave it. Okay. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries
unanimously. Next up, Invitation Cove. Amir. Good afternoon everyone. My name is Amir Hamza. I'm a planner. Uh the applicant has submitted a major de development plan for property located at 7:30 Monroe
Avenue just east of uh South Christian Street and west of Sheieler Avenue. This major development plan consists major development plan is called Invitation Cove which is a proposed subdivision that consists of a total of 43 town home
units. These are the vicinity and aerial maps of the 7:30 Mono Avenue site. The total site area is 5.67 acres and the site is currently vacant as shown on the aerial uh map.
The feature land use of this property is mixed use and the zoning for this property is MU-D, a mixeduse downtown zoning district. This is the Invitation Cove major development plan. Previously, another major de development plan was approved
on this site under the name of Oaks at Monroe, which consisted of uh a total of 86 apartment units, but that plan uh just never came to fruition. So, this is the replacement plan. The development review committee has
recommended approval at the June June 10, 2025 meeting. The planning commission an unanimously uh recommend anonymously um recommended approval of the invitation cove major development plan. The recommended motion is to approve the invitation cove major
development plan as Okay. Any questions for mayor? Just a couple quick questions. Sure. On this one, um is this going to be gated? Uh that you know of? No, it's a to my knowledge. No. Okay. And then will there
be any alleyways within this community? Yes, because uh the town home they're town homes. So because the town homes are below 50 feet of frontage, um it it will have to be required to have an alleyways because they're rear loaded town homes. Yes. And so that just to
understand so the HOA that is established will take care of those alleyways and then it'll be city streets otherwise. Yes. And sidewalks. Okay. Understood. Thank you. Yeah. And and where where's the entrance to this development? It's from Monroe Avenue, which is to the north
to my cursor right here. Monroe Avenue. It's just north of uh the Seamar Boulevard where 441 intersects with uh Searan just north of that. It's a Monroe is the Monroe is right here, Monroe Avenue.
All right. Now on on the drawing, yes, it it shows that uh is that Christristiana? No, Christian's to the west. This is Monroe Avenue. It's between Christianana and uh Sheieler.
Correct. Okay. But but where Monroe and Christian intersect, that is not exactly a No, it's not the exact It's to the west. They intersect to the west of the site. No, but I'm talking about the street itself that that's not a straight
street. Uh that there it's jagged, but it doesn't show that on this map. So, uh they're planning on taking that hump out of the road there where Christianity Monroe meets. Um the Chris, let me go back to the map
if I can show you. Cristiana Street is right around here, I think. Yeah. Yeah, Cristiana is right here and it's between Sheila and Christ. It doesn't even Christristiana doesn't even meet the site. No, but what I'm saying
Monroe, yes, is not exactly as straight as it shows on this map. Is that correct? Monroe is uh straight accing the the they're they're proposing a left turn lane onto the site and a right turn
lane as well. That's why it does shows that it's not straight, but it's actually a straight road. Okay. So, they're gonna put in both the left and the right. Yeah. Okay. Um, is the applicant here? There's quite a few question. Yeah. If you want to just come forward and just just confirm what what what air has been. Good
afternoon. For the record, Kim Fischer, Engineering, 1614 White Dove Drive, Winter Springs. On behalf of the owner, um, thank you, Amir. Premier has been really really wonderful to work with. But yeah, I can answer any questions you have.
I'm good. Once you said there's going to be a right and a left. Okay. My one question is I know you know if it's the back of Wind Dix or it's one property over from Wind Dixie. One of the things I I wanted hopefully we've got the ability to get a four-way stop there at
at where Christian dead ends into Monroe. I know it's it's not it's not your problem, but but because there's one piece of property that really that that dead ends of that, but if if we can make sure that we've got the ability at some point, it'd be
nice to have the the Wind Dixie people could could get to a four-way stop and your property and then the one between the Wind Dixie and your property. So, we've got a nice four-way stop that we could put there. I think that would be a
a big uh improvement. Correct. So what we've done since we don't have any frontage that aligns with Christianana, we've provided which is track B which is right below our pond. We've provided cross access which will go to the property in between us and
Wind Dixie so that then that can be set up in the future. Okay. That that was Yeah. To me that's then that makes that whole whole area you know work really really well. Good point because they talk about speeding on both Christian and on Monroe and that way we can eliminate two problems. Okay, that that
that was my my concern. All right. Um any any other questions? If not, anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the major development plan for Innovation Cove. So move. I got a motion
by Commissioner Smith. Second. Got second by Commissioner Vasquez. All those in favor? All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Is there anybody here that wants to speak on the interlocal agreement? Just even though we've we're going to uh continue to date certain of August 6,
anybody needs to speak on that, we'll have it back on August 6th, but you want 363 Golden Gem Road. As I've previously stated, what we're looking to do is provide is to separate Golden Gem into three into two sections.
When in fact, when we do that, it's actually going to become three sections. One of the sections is going to be uh administered by Orange County, but it's actually the entrance to Golden Gem area for the retention pond. We're going
to have an area probably about 2,000 mters long that is not going to have anything done to in terms of subbase and it affects both the city and it affects myself because you guys voted
for me to be into the KPI. However, my part of the road is going to be left untouched. So, what I'm suggesting is when we do vote on this, at least be aware that there's inconsistencies in Golden Gem Road. It's
been created by the city and at some point or other, it will need to be remedied by the city. Anybody else? Okay, we'll just look. I think we've already continued this. I just had a question just to confirm again with with staff on this one. You guys are meeting next week with Orange County, correct? Correct. We're meeting
with Orange County staff next week. Okay. And and Mr. Kimmy brings up a point that we discussed yesterday as well. There is a phase of that road that is kind of in limbo then I guess what's the goals with that or are we will that
meeting be kind of the tell of what the future of that looks like? Right. So, uh what staff hopes to get out of this is to have another discussion with Orange County staff to um see what path forward we can take. There's a couple options that the city sees as possibilities to
move forward. see what the county's appetite is on that from a staff level and then come back at the six to lay those out for council for further direction. Okay. Is there any deadlines to take this road in any capacity or this agreement having to be done by Xate? No. Okay. So, we have a little time. We have plenty of time to to do
this. Correct. Okay. Thank you. All right. Well, I'd like to thank county for coming at least. Appreciate y'all coming out today. All right. uh looking for to designate an official voting delegate for the Florida League of Cities annual
conference. Anybody want to take that role on? I know we went down the list of I believe you did it in 2024. Um Commissioner Anderson did 2020. Um yeah,
I had Mr. Williams sent us a list or sent. So, Commissioner Anderson last year, myself the year before, Commissioner Velasquez year before that, and then Commissioner Smith in 21. Um, so we do the rotating rotating rotating.
So, what does that mean? I'm just reading what it says. I'm just saying. I'm just reading what the list says. Mayor, I'll do it. All right. There we go. Look for a motion to to approve Commissioner Smith as our voting delegate for the Florida League of Cities. So, got a motion, man.
Everybody got say Anderson and Nesta. All those in favor. All oppose. Motion carries. All right. We just want to be fair. All right. Good, good, good. All right, Bradley. Good afternoon again.
Business item number seven. Uh I'm back before you with the uh city of Aka nonprofit grant program for adoption. Um just to recap, uh at the May 21st council meeting, council provided direction to staff to develop a nonprofit grant program to support local
nonprofit organizations. Staff developed that proposed program framework and presented it at the last council meeting on June 18th. Some additional uh information and direction was provided by council. staff has made those adjustments and also I know we've had
some other uh discussions at the agenda prep meetings. So I did have a list here of some items to additionally clean up or see if the the council would like to clean up. Uh one of the items was the uh federal federally taxexempt
organizations. Um right now the program or as a program was first presented indicated a C3 organization only. Um there was discussion at last meeting about whether or not to do a C4. Um different social groups uh like the
women's club, a pop women's club, uh Rotary Chamber, they have different designations. So looking for the pleasure of the council on that. Uh in the update, I did uh write it as fed federally tax exempt organizations. the uh application windows on the packet
that was provided reflected the uh the application window for this fiscal year which we're trying to get in before the fiscal year ends. Um but moving forward uh I do need to add the primary application window of October 1st through October 30th and the
secondary application window pending availability of budgeted funds April 1st through April 30th. That's halfway through the fiscal year. If that's the pleasure of the council, we can do that. Uh also uh better define the award term. Uh award term will be 12 months from
date of the grant award. Applicants may only have one grant active at a time. And then also the second bullet on project criteria on the pamphlet. Just a small little uh uh update uh replacing the and with an and or just to make sure
it's clear that you don't need all of those items in the list um to meet the qualifications that that bullet says project must offer programming for youth as at risk individuals and senior citizens. So just a small edit to make
it and or in addition to that I'm looking at the for the proposal content the criteria it says proof of nonprofit status 501c3. So I guess if we're not going to we would take that out. Yeah. So just note it. Okay. Correct.
Um, and I did want to go ahead and show real quick, uh, staff have developed an online portal or application form for this program that would hi that highlights the program itself, eligibility, um, project criteria.
then provides space for them to digitally uh submit their application, all the contact information and project information scope, their attachments, they would submit that. Won't let me right now submit it. And uh for this
initial run, uh these applications will run through the city administrator's office uh just to make sure we get these out uh and running as it's a first time program. and then we'll determine where that lives with the staff moving forward.
Okay. So, really just any other questions or if those last changes are acceptable, I can include those into the into the program or if there's any additional changes requested.
Any questions for R? Um yes, I I did receive uh a couple of questions. Uh one is In reference to the scoring criteria, what score is required in order to
receive the grant? So, we did not put a minimum score. Um, and if I just let me just double check, make sure we did not we did not require a minimum score. That is something we can add in if the council would like. Sometimes a grant program will require
at least a 50 point score to qualify. Sometimes they'll require a 70. It just depends on the the program. Um so if that's a a want from the council, we can certainly set that and establish that as a guideline.
Well, I if it's not a do or die what the score is, it it doesn't matter. But then if it is, then we need to establish what that score is going to be. So theoretically uh uh the funding could be at a state depending on the number of applications
that are received that you rank the you rank the applicants and then they get put top to bottom. You might not have enough funding to get to the bottom. So you you definitely want the highest score, but we could put a threshold. If you want an additional qualification, we
could put a threshold there. All right. So that brings up their second question that if you're going to rank them depending on the score and looking at the chart, if I've only been in service one to four years, I can only receive 10
points. That means I lost 15 points automatically. And then where it says grant match, uh, I wasn't sure what it meant by 30 points for 100%, 15 points for 50%.
Because I thought it was a 100% match. So, the scoring was set up and I I have to look back and see what what we discussed here in this because at that point that means they could lose another 15 points and so they're already
down to 70 already providing they get all the points in the other two categories, right? So, that's their concern. Yeah. And that's typically grant programs have this type of structure to where you uh can do that. I guess that does bring up a question though. Again, I do recall that we just
did discuss that was 100% match. So, if that's the case, uh that criteria needs to change. Okay. So, I guess the question I'll put back to council for direction is do you want to
completely disqualify somebody from the ranking if they don't have the 100% match or do you want to have a minimum 50% match? I think that was that was the goal, right? So that way when you have your your newer businesses that don't have the capital right it'll give them their chance because we require 100%
match and your companies and organizations been in business for less than you know three to four years then they won't be able to participate. So I think if we keep it with the 50% it does allow more people to be able to I thought that was a what kind last time?
So, so the minimum would be if the if what I'm hearing is and the way this criteria is laid out, a minimum 50% match is required. That would get you 15 points. If you do a full match, that would get you the full 30.
Or we go back to 100% match and we remove that criteria and we res we rescore the points. you could increase the points for benefit to city of Apka. So, so then we're going to change it where you don't have where it's not a
dollar for-doll match is what you're saying that they could also qualify if they had a 50% match. A 50/50 match or a 50% match. Yeah. If we keep if if the minimum is 50% match, this criteria makes sense. If it doesn't, it does not make sense. Right.
Yeah, that's the point. I had similar questions of some residents that that had nonprofits had had a different understanding that there wasn't going to be a match component to this. But maybe we can I still I guess
if people are going to match it for a bigger program, whatever they may doing, maybe doing maybe you do 10% to 100% three points for every 10% basically. So if you're willing to match 20% it's six points 10% three points whatever up to
100% of being 30 points just to give that scale. I mean just so it doesn't disqualify anybody from applying. I want people to be able to apply. That's the whole point. And I don't want the whole point is to be able to grow those programs. Similar to Commissioner Anderson's point that um those that are
starting out or those that that may need this just to not disqualify them off the bat. And I do to tag into that I do remember I do know at the last council meeting the discussion about having a ma match was to make sure there was some
commitment on the nonprofit side that they're have a program up and running. It's it's supplementing that program. It's boosting that program. Um you could you know I don't know if I'd go because again this you want to try
and make the scoring as easily as possible. I don't know if I'd go maybe a next run down would be 25%. But I don't know if I'd do a three point for every Yeah, I don't know if I'd go that. We need some skin to game up or you know some type of commitment from
the applicant. So I mean I'm satisfied with 50%. My only concern is if you're going to grade them or rank them according to their score then those individuals may not even get into the running because
they've already lost points from the from the start. Well, they would be in the running because we don't have a minimum point score to qualify. So, we don't we aren't requiring a minimum point score to qualify to go to the selection committee and really so you know that's
okay. So, then we're not going to rank them according to the score then. They are going to be ranked because the score. Yeah. Yeah. But they get ranked according to the score, but they're not going to be But if they don't meet a certain score, they would not. Some grants are set up where if you don't meet a certain score, you're automatically taken off of the list for award. Let let me tell you how the one
we that we won that the $13 million one that Brad Radley put together for our team is that we were number one ranked and they went down they went all the way down to certain number and they ran they they they then had like some that were
below kind of the what they were looking for and they just split the money the last what bottom three or four. Yeah. So the the they that committee recommended to fully award as far down the list they could and then the remaining
applicants that were on the list, they did an even split to to award those something. But they also had a minimum if you if your selection if their selection committee did not score you at least I think it was 60%. You could not be eligible to be awarded.
And there were a couple that were close on that. Yeah. So, so but this program that's proposed does not have a base. All right. Does not have a minimum. So, the committee would have the the the liberty to say, "Okay, these bottom ones we so we're going to split the balance." They're going to they're going to have the ability to provide a recommend a
recommend a recommended award to council. Okay. And then council has the decision at the end to decide to agree with that recommendation, make an adjustment. Um, so is the is the one thing I I don't quite understand. they'll be ranked. Um, but the different
organizations are applying for a certain amount of the fund. So, how does that work? If so, if someone scores 100 and they put in and I I believe what was the maximum that they can put in for I think we had 5,000,000.
So, that that organization would qualify for 5,000. But someone who ranks less than that, what would be the maximum that they can apply for? Even if they asked for 5,000, but they scored 70. So
the way the process, I'll just kind of run through the process from the start. There's been $100,000 uh budgeted for this um for this program. We'd open the application window. The nonprofit uh um organizations would apply during that
window. the window would close. Staff will complete a technical review of those base minimum requirements. So all the documents that they need to turn in that they've turned in a turned in a proposal, they've completed the form. Those that qualify will then be given to
the selection committee members, which will be five members coming up on the next agenda item. Yeah, they they're showing the brownfield. I'm sorry, I hit too many buttons. Um those members will will score each application based off of the
scoring criteria or selection criteria. They'll each determine their own scores. We'll have a meeting. We will get the scores from all the committee members, put them, you know, average them, rank them out, and then it's up to the committee to provide a recommendation to
council. they could recommend here's the requests here's we have funding to hit all the requests they all met the qualifications and they all scored where I said we don't have a minimum scoring floor they could score 25 theoretically and if
the selection committee feels appropriate that they be u recommended for award they would put that together and we'd bring that to council for council review and final award All right. And so well then we need to make two other corrections under project
criteria where it says applicants must ensure dollar fordoll match. Yeah, we need to update that. Right. So we need to make a slash a minimum 50% and then under where it says grant match the total match must equal or exceed the amount being
awarded. So again we must we put in 50% there as well. Other than that, looks good. Anybody else? Okay. Okay. All right. I guess I just have one on the financial oversight section of this. It says the city
reserves the right to request a financial audit to ensure proper use of grant funds which will be conducted according to the terms specified in the award agreement. I guess what would we be looking for in that or what would be requested to be provided by the awardee as far as like an a like if we were to
do an audit? Yes. Um that would be if there was concern brought forth about the use of the funds, the city has the right to then go to that nonprofit and conduct an audit in the area we see fit. And that would be spelled out in the in the agreement
they sign. Okay. All right. It's it's just a protection layer. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? I brought some of this up the last time um we discussed this is uh remember that
the auditing could cost the person um the CPA will charge anywhere from $1 to $5,000 for an audit. So if they put up 5,000 and you gave them 5,000 uh they might say why even bother um if you turn
around and audit them um maybe it should be a self auditing or the city put up the CPA for the audit. um if you're going to audit it. Um and then again, I want to reiterate the
um looking at vetting very very heavily just because I found at the state one organization here in town still had up their 501c3 listed at the state level at sunbiz.org.
But when you go and look up their 501c3 at the federal level at the IRS, um they applied for the 501c3, got the 501c3, applied at the state to be a nonprofit at the state, applied for
their bank account, but they never once filed a report, a 990 with the federal government, not one time. And so, um, they're not a 501c3. They just filed the form
and so they were revoked due to never performing. Um, and yet it still says at sunbiz.org that 501c3 number and that they're a nonprofit 501c3 at the state level. And so they're probably listed at
the county as a 501c3. Um, and then we again have organizations that we're dealing with at the city that have not bothered to do their taxes and things like this and then they're really late filing their state
reports and things. So, it's a matter of following through and uh I do have some concerns about some of the processes and how many hoops you have to put a small
organization through to get and then to follow up on the grant for just $5,000 and them having to match it. um if this were a $100,000 grant or a million dollar grant, then all those processes are worthy of it. But when you have a
small volunteer group of, you know, 25 people and they're having to do all the hoops, then it's worth it. But the vetting end is the most important thing. Anybody else?
choose the show. Okay. Um I guess I'm ignorant to this this whole discussion, but I wanted to make sure I understood the process um and really understand what's the objective of this this grant. Is it more so social programs? Is it just any
particular nonprofit as a whole come into plot or is it specific areas that the city of Apoca Council is trying to target to use these funds? Let's see read I'll read you the the purpose. Um it's provides financial assistance to
schools and nonprofit organizations committed to supporting youth and senior focused initiatives. So just youth and senior and Yeah. Okay. All right. Reason why I asked this question because I know um there has been in the past efforts to
do beautifification projects and things of that nature from different organizations. Um someone may not be a nonprofit. It may be a volunteer organization. I just didn't know if this would allow for them to get funding for something that they may want to do. So for example, you had the group of
businesses that did the paintings along the walls and they came and asked for materials and things of that nature. So, I just didn't know if someone like that would be able to access funding for something that's really going to benefit the community as a whole. So, I just didn't know if that was even an option or is it just specifically for
nonprofits? So, just just a thought. Thanks. And mayor, just real quick clarification. Also, we also at risk individuals, a program for at risk individuals. Sylvester Hart, I won't be long and I
won't um um the issues that Dr. O brought up, those are some of my concerns also, so I won't repeat that. But um when it come when it come down to making the selection criteria, who was involved in making the criteria?
We were. We all the council. We were who? The council. Council. Okay. When you look on the agenda, city of Apakka nonprofit grant program adoption. Don't say anything about
matching. I'm just, you know, it don't say anything about matching. So when we look at when we're saying we're trying to help people and help organizations, and like I said, I don't repeat everything Dr. here. But if you got a small organization and you're
talking about five five grand and you got to match that, I mean, the reason you're applying for the grant in the first place, you need assistance. So when we make it difficult or challenging for these people, it's like we put a carrot out there for you say, "Hey, look, this is what we're doing for you, but we make it very challenging for
you to get it." So in some ways, it's just misleading, but it looks good to the public. And then when you say well like when we had the CRA money how many residents over eight year over six seven years participated
we have it there we put it out there say we got it but the criteria for get it nobody really knows nobody take advantage of it. So what what benefit does it does to the to the city and our citizens? We we uh we have to do better when it comes to that
and some of these criteria selections here again. We we need to streamline that and we need to look at what are we really uh uh Rogers brought up. What what is you know we put it on paper like yeah we want to help but when you put
this criteria here okay h how are we helping how are we helping the and and when you say um boots on the ground these are some of the organ organizations that are boots on the ground that's really making a
difference in our community when we say small business they're the ones that push and thrive the city it's the same thing with these small organizations that are doing things that are helping keep keeping our community safe and they
need help doing that and we make it hard and difficult them for them to get the some of the resources that they need to do and most of you guys who are in nonprofit you know it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work when you just doing volunteer things and if you take all
that out of the community we really would have a rough time. Thank you. Albert McKim 363 Golden Gem Road. Just a quick thought, 100K isn't a lot of money and in the long term we intend to grow these grants. My concern is that when we
set a precedent today, we need to look at what it might mean tomorrow. And I would like to think that when the city does provide grants for people that we provide it in such a manner with terms and conditions that keep the money
within the city. There would be no point in giving a young organization a grant. If that grant was for travel and all the money went out the city is somewhere else. Where does it benefit the average person in the city then? So I would like
to see more bricks and mortar or things that are strategically going to place those nonprofits within the city rather than allow the the funding that we get to go out the city. Not because I believe that it's important just now but I believe that we
must bear these things in mind for future. The city comes first. Anybody else? No. Close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the amended uh nonprofit grant program for adoption.
Salute. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. What did we amend? Yeah, I can review that for you. Yeah. Um update to read federally taxexempt organizations as opposed to the designations of C3, C4, etc.
uh add the standard application window of primary application window October 1st through October 30th. Secondary application window pending availability of budgeted funds April 1st through uh April 30th. Define the award term being 12 months from the date of the grant
award. Applicants may only have one grant active at a time. Uh make that small edit to the second bullet on project criteria replacing and with and or. and then making the adjustments to
page on grant requirements project criteria final bullet applicants must ensure a minimum 50% match of the grant request using a combination of cash and or inind goods or services and then grant match
bullet number one just below that total match must equal or exceed uh a minimum 50% of the amount being requested from the city of Akcoa Are you able to once it's updated just recirculate that to everybody please? Yes, we'll we'll get this updated and sent back out to all the commissioners
and then uh get it out. Yeah, absolutely. And I just had a question on the the financial audit itself. I guess what are the expectations of that? Should we go down that route for for a group? I again I think this would be this is a clause that would be in the agreement in case
there's concern that city funds are not being used as requested in the grant application. Do we have this uh award agreement already created that we're we're still we're still working that one through with the city attorney's office. Can we bring that back for our approval as well so we can review it? Sure. We
can do that while the um while the windows open. Yes, absolutely. Just so we understand what the agreement is between us effectively and Right. It's pretty standard in these type of agreements to have an auditing option for the city because again you're
using city funds and awarding that to a a recipient. The city needs to retain a right to then if there's a concern go have that audited to make sure those funds are being utilized as prescribed. Okay. Is is there anything in here
regarding the discretionary funds? I think we spoke on that. Yeah, I believe we do. We want to wait for Commissioner Smith to get back just so he gets the same answers, too. I don't want him to miss the answers. Yeah, he just stepped out. I just want to make sure he's getting those same answers as well. Okay. Thank you,
Susie. There's a He should be that green card. Just why don't we just take a five minute do it now or do it later. Do it now. You can do it now. Yeah. I'm saying let's take
All right. So, we had a question for Yeah. The question from Commissioner The question from Commissioner Velasquez was about the discretionary funds and under the GR grant requirements grant match. Uh we did identify in cash or in
kind or cash donation donations from the city of Popka discretionary funds cannot be counted as matched for this program. Okay. So looking for a motion to adopt the city of Apopka nonprofit grant program as amended. Got a motion by
Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Next up, nonprofit grant selection committee appointees. Okay. Uh we did receive the appointees from
the mayor and each commissioner. Uh those are up on the screen there. Um the commitment time commitment for this uh selection committee would be maximum two uh grant periods. So, two uh uh award recommendation meetings. Um we have Miss
Lena Potter, Miss Mayor Bell Brinkle, Miss Martha McCrae, Mr. Sylvester Hall, and Mr. Gregs Jackson. Any questions? Anybody from public wish to speak on this? Not close public hearing. When someone on a commission or a
committee has a um financial relationship with a situation, um they have to abstain. That's the only time in which you can abstain. And then as you know when you've taken your ethics
um course just like I just did for my um commission seat uh you have to file an eight a form eight and then after the situation is over you have to file an 8F. Um so if let's say Mr. Ernesa um had
a real estate deal involved with something that came before the commission, he'd have to file an eight and say, "I can't vote on this issue. I abstain and then when the subdivision or whatever was completed or the city
bought the lot and everything was completed, he filed the ADF." My concern here is that um several of the people on here um and I love some of them to death um might be in charities that would want
some of these funds and they would need to abstain from any decisions. They would not be able to um look at these applicants. Now, not saying they have to do any ethics commission. I don't know whether they'd have to qualify for any ethics commission um courses or whether
they would have to um uh file any papers. What I'm saying is they ethically morally would need to abstain from looking at any of those papers and it's going to throw your committee off. So, um I am concerned that uh some of
the people in our city like I was on five and six charities and uh I know some that are on multiple charities. So, that's my great concern is that we look at um yes, they have the great experience with charities and how
charities run and taking care of the treasury and all, but we don't want them to have to say, "Okay, um I've been on that in that charity. I know how it runs and I know who the treasurer is and how they handle their funds. Thank you.
Attorney hand to does an appointed committee have to go through a like an ethics training or sign anything or is it is it separate? Are they governed in any capacity by the state? Yes, committees are still covered by uh the typical ethics statutes and so forth
by the state. So would they would they have to take the similar class like the 4-hour ethics class like that? We take the same understanding. Yes. My recollection. Okay. So this all would still apply then similar to how it does apply to us. Uh not exactly as it applies to you because there are
differences in rules for appointed members as opposed to elected members. So there's some variations. Okay. But they are required to take that that still required for this particular since I don't know the ins and outs of this particular committee. They I believe so. But I don't want to give you a firm uh commit
to that, but it's my understanding yes, they're they're required to to have that that education. And commissioner, hold on. Let me I I just want to go ahead please. If you'd like, uh we are bringing back the grant agreement document. We can also bring back the
full details on what would be required for them. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask if you can just deep dive and get a an opinion from your office just to let us know what are the expectations of these committee members. Absolutely. Thank you. Sylvester, first I want to thank Commissioner
Nester for appointing me to this position. Um, I'm I want to clear up something. I am not Commissioner Nester people. I am the city of Aka people.
When I come here, I represent the city of Apakka. I represent all residents. Mayor, Mr. Mayor Nelson, I am your people also. When you're right, I stand with you. When you're wrong, I stand against you. It's just that simple. I belong to
nobody. And I want to make that perfectly clear from this point out. I stand for righteousness. We all make mistakes, but when we do, we acknowledge them, we correct it, and we move on. So don't
ever call me Nick's people. Your people. I am your people too. You are my mayor. Thank you. Now, I want to clear up some when I say who made this criteria. Uh you said we all did. We all did. But it's it's it's funny that if you made
the criteria, some of the questions that you're asking should have been already vetted and done before we got to this stage. And I want to say this, when we look at small nonprofit, and Dr. O brought this up and we're talking
about for $5,000 doing a audit on them that could cost them $5,000. Here we have issues with the city for hundreds of thousands of dollars and
we can't get an audit. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. And so whenever I come to this podium here, I am speaking for the people. It's no personal game for me. It's about
standing up for the ones who can't stand up and speak for themselves, who are afraid to come to this mic. And for the 20 plus years that I serve, I put my life on the line for those same people. So when I come here and stand, I'm standing from for all of them as a
veteran and as for a concerned citizen for this area that I live in, my kids live in, my grandkids live in. And I'll be damned if I don't leave this a better world for them than what I had. If I don't do that, I'm a sorry parent.
I'm a sorry grandparent. I'm a sorry greatgrandparent. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the appointees for the city of
Apopka nonprofit grant program selection committee. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Brownfield Advisory Committee appointees. Bradley.
Again, we received all the appointees for the Paper Brownfield Advisory Committee uh from the mayor and commissioners uh Mr. Bob Elmquist, Mr. Modesto Lopez, Mr. Rogers Beckett, Mr. Leroy Bell, and Mh Dr. Loretta Floral.
Any questions for Randle? Anybody from the public wishes? Leroy Bell. Again, I'd like to thank uh Commissioner Nester for the appointment and I too like to state I'm 100% disabled veteran.
I fought for that flag. I got some blood on that flag. My son and I have the right to walk out if they want to. Mr. Nester,
uh, my language is my language and it have nothing to do with you. Whatever criteria of this brownfield, whatever it direct me to do, that's what I'll follow.
We had people to come into this chamber and stand at this platform. David Rankin, Tony Benge, Mr. Cooper, cursed and belittle people. And those
were your people. Ma'am, there's no there's no getting around it. You can't lie about it and say they wasn't. All you got to look at is the computer uh the ones that contribute to your campaign. And and I'mma leave you with a bit of
advice, my son. I want you to understand this and I want you to understand this clear. Keep it out your mouth. If you want to if you want to control somebody and get somebody up under control,
start with Otis. Anybody else? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the appointees for the city of Apopka Brownfield Advisory Committee.
Got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second. Second by Commissioner Nesta. All those in favor? I. I'll oppose motion. Okay. Four to one with It's four to one with Commissioner Anderson in opposition. Okay. Next up, joint
planning area agreement JPA. Bobby, good afternoon. Bobby H, planning manager. Uh at the June 6th 18th meeting, you received a presentation about the terms of the JPA. Uh staff is back today as to whether or not the
council wishes to terminate the agreement, follow notice of an extension or renegotiate. Uh a little bit of background about the joint planning area agreement. It was agreed upon between Orange County and the city of Paka on October 20th, 2004. And it was a settlement agreement resolving prior
litigation. was recently amended uh most recently 2019 which expanded the areas up uh to take in the industrial park off of Wesley Road on that area.
Expiration is December 31st, 2025. Uh and the key clause is section 10B1. Uh we must notify the Orange County of non-renewal at least 1880 days before expiration which is July 4th. Um, we come to you today to ask whether or not
you would like to renegotiate. Uh, staff as well as Orange County staff is here. Uh, we believe it would be in the best interest to renegotiate to into a two-year extension to cover some issues such as ISBAs and some of the other things that were talked about at the last presentation. If you have any
questions, I'm happy to answer them. And Mrs. Misty Mills is here from Orange County as well. Okay. Any questions for Bobby? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to provide
direction to city staff as to one of the following options. Deliver notice of non-renewal to Orange County or negotiate an extension. So, we're looking for Well, when we were at the agenda review, I understand I want to respect what community
development department would like is a two-year extension. Okay. So look for So we got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor. All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. Ordinance number 3103.
Okay. Ordinance number 3103. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, amending the future land use element of the Apka comprehensive plan of the city of Apopka. Changing the future land use designation from county low density residential to city
commercial for property owned by Nicholas Danggeles and Stephanie Danggeles located at 438 North Park Avenue comprising of 066 acres more or less providing for severability complex and an effective date. Any changes? No
changes. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not we'll close the public. Um, I wanted to speak to Is the applicant here? The applicant's here. Yeah. Where's the mayor commissioners? I'm Nick D'Angelos. Hi. I had approved
the commission had approved the first annexation which was the piece of property next to the pizza shop. So, you want to is that property that we're You're extending at the second meeting. Is that the extension of the price?
No, we just those two lots were annexed in the pizza shop is separate and the the uh vegetable stand and our plan is to market it to a developer the whole thing. So you Okay. So my concern is the condition of that
property right now. Well, it's gonna be raised the piece of property that's on it. Well, I mean, I see cars parked there, chairs parked there. Um, and so my concern is that if if we agree to this
annexation, you're just going to kind of extend is that that particular house that's sitting on this annexation going to be demolished? That's going to be demolished. Yeah. either by me or the developer.
I'm sorry. If you The house is going to get raised by the developer, I'm sure. Do you have a developer? Not yet. We're marketing it to get one. Sounds like he's trying to sell everything. Find a developer to tell.
Yeah, I know. But it I mean the whole property Well, that's the idea is to clean up the whole property. Yeah. it. I mean, it's an eyes saw, right? Because it is on the main road there. Absolutely. I passed it several times during the week.
Absolutely. So, I'm wondering what what are the plans for that property? The plans is to clean it all up and get it community friendly. That's the plan because I I have reservations because the house is very old. It is.
And um Well, I closed it down. between the house and the pizza shop doesn't look good at all. That wasn't supposed to happen. Um I have some medical issues I'm dealing with with my wife. So things got array. He was supposed to use maybe
eight feet there just to back up because there's no backing into the street and it turned into what it is now. But I haven't had a chance to get it get on that. But I understand your concern and we are going to clean it up.
Okay. That's the reason why I'm doing it. I just, you know, I I understand we want to kind of develop that that particular property, which I'd like to see. Well, I think it's going to be all knocked down, ma'am. It'll all be knocked down if we
get the right developer in there. Is there a time frame for that? I mean, um, whenever it takes. But in the meantime, the property in between. Well, we're going to clean it up in the meantime so that it it looks presentable. Yeah, even for a developer.
Yeah, that's not a problem. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Any any other questions for the applicant? Yeah. Okay. Anybody from the public wish to speak? Not close public hearing. Look for motion to adopt ordinance number 3103.
So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries on. All right, before we go to the next one, I need I apologize. I need to bring We had a gentleman that was here early and
somehow we didn't get his his u um form in. So, I just want to give you an opportunity for under public record. So, I apologize. Thank you, mayor, for that. Uh good afternoon and hello. My name is Lincoln Haynes. Uh 10:30 East San Piper Street. Uh I came in to address a zoning
issue which is uh currently preventing me from uh building the ADU to care for my uh elderly parents. Uh our lot was annexed into the city uh municipal limits back in 2016 at the request of its previous owners
uh under ordinance uh 2514. Section three of the ordinance indicated that the city council would designate the land use classification and zoning uh in order to comply with state law. Uh however, the city assigned a temporary
designation uh called transitional uh which inadvertently downzoned us from the A1 zoning that the previous owners held with the um Orange County and that unfortunately took away many of our
uh previously held entitlements that allowed us to have additional uses for the land. Uh what I'm asking is that uh I could appreciate if the staff will administratively uh fix our designation to very low suburban and uh residential
country estate. We hope that this uh and I say we don't talk about my family. Uh hope that this area is fixed before you transmit to the state. Uh once again, thank you for your time. Yeah. And well, Bobby How's behind you, so did you get his card? I just spoke to him. Okay. All right. So we got you taken
care of. So yeah, work with that. Thank you very much. And I apologize for Oh, no. That's okay. You got it. Okay. Thank you all. You bet. All right. Next up, ordinance number 3104. Ordinance number 3104. An ordinance of the city of Apakka, Florida, changing
the zoning from T transitional to CC Community Commercial for C for property located at 438 North Park Avenue owned by Nicholas Dangelus and Stephanie Dangelus comprising 66 acres more or less providing for severability
conflicts and an effective date. No changes. No changes. All right. Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not. We'll close public hearing. for a motion to adopt ordinance number 3104. So moved. A motion by Commissioner Vasquez. Second, second by Commissioner
Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Ordinance number 3107. Ordinance number 3107, an ordinance of the city of Aapka, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to
Florida statute 171.044. The here and after described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida, owned by PMs re LLC, HMF LLC, Charles P. Stallings
and Kim L. Stallings, Ule E. Stallings Jr. and Crystal Denise Stallings located on north the northwest corner of Anditch Road and State Road 453 State Road 429
comprising of 196.83 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective date. Okay, no changes. Okay, anybody from the public wish to speak on this one?
Rogers back at Southwest Main Street. Is it possible to show a map of what you're actually annexing? Because I know I I don't I didn't have an opportunity to look at what may have been a package, but we're just looking at ordinance number, but we don't know exactly what what you're voting. Yes, ma'am.
So that's the property in black and the city council approved it first I believe for one the last meeting. Okay. So it's I just I guess looking at this map did the city already have like
utility services on undestroyed sewer water? Is that available to the site immediately or is that something that developers gonna have to run out there to that location? because I'm just I'm just looking at this like as this is classic urban sprawl if I'm just looking
at this correctly but um just as a question so good afternoon everyone uh Vladimir Simonoski city engineer the proposed currently there are no utilities there for water sewer and reclaim uh on the south that development which is just on
the south of this property uh will be extending the utilities along Effie drive and also So west along onage till the approximately to the entrance of the new property there which is right across the one swivel there of this
property. So and I believe it's the same development the same development. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out because I know I did annexation a long time here and how is this where is it contiguous to current city properties? What I guess
what's the what's the the distance? Is it 100 feet, 200 feet, 500 feet? What makes it consistent to meet the Florida statute is my question. We had those same questions for the applicant when this project first came to us. Their attorney provided a letter
to our legal counsel. Our legal counsel reviewed it and determined that it did meet the contiguity contiguity requirements of Florida statute. Um and therefore that was the basis of the recommendation of approval for the annexation. That information that the gentleman just
stated, is that public record? because if it is, I'd like to get a copy of it because this raises a lot of questions when it comes into annexing things in is this going to be, you know, how we
justify this. So, I'm going to leave it at that, but I definitely requesting the documents that where we got that approval. So when somebody else come up and they look to be annexation uh they won't go through
the same process. Mayor commission the uh those letters were provided with the packet. Say that again. They were provided with with the packet. Is it in this week's packet? I know it was on It was definitely on I understand. I saw it last week, but I'm
If it wasn't in this packet, we'll provide it and we'll email it and put it on the public, but it definitely was provided. Um, it might But it's not in this week's packet, right? Yeah. Okay. Yep. And it was approved by a vote of 4 to1 at the last commission meeting.
So, and that's why when you always hear me say that procedures matters, this is what I'm talking about. Uh life is so easy when we have a procedure that we all go by and that we all abide by
and we don't have double standards. And when you have that SOP, it just makes life so clear for everybody. You know what expected, you know what to do, what to do, and it just make life so easy. Albert McKime 360 Golden Gem Road. As
you're probably well aware, annexation has been one of my pet peeves for a long time. However, if you look at where this property is, it's at the end of FE road and FE road is going to have huge amounts of developments all the way along it, including a new hospital and
all sorts of bits and pieces. So in actual fact, this particular annexation is a benefit to the city because we're already going to we're already going to be installing sewers and infrastructure along that piece of road. So the amount of benefits we're going to get in impact
fees from such a large development this is going to be immense and it's not going to mean that we have to spend a lot of money to get those benefits from the impact fees. The other thing which I was going to say is just skip my mind. But you know
we we have to also realize that by approving this particular development and where it is it's already close to the KPI and what we're going to do when we approve these sorts of developments is prevent urban sport sprawl. And what
really really we should be looking to do is to keep development if not immediately in the KPI but in the close vicinity because we're already having the roads and the other infrastructures provided there along FA on ditch to to
to meet the demands of this new uh subdivision. Can I reclaim one more minute of my time please? Um, is there um a clicker that I can use to kind of point out an area like a red red dot to kind of see where
I have an area concern? Okay. Okay. So from me dealing with this for 10 years at the city of Apaka. This looks like the annexation would create an enclave right in this area right here. So that's
this is kind of because basically when you annex property it should be consistent one and compact now and then you can't create another enclave. So that's pretty much what caught my eye initially looking at this. um which I know they've sent stuff back to me
several times um but you know things have changed but that's just my area of concern to where you're annexing property is going to create enclave which there again goes back to the in local agreement as well as the Florida states tell you you can't do that so you know I guess that they have the attorney
here to speak on that to clear this up but that's just what I've noticed and that's just from my experience so it's it's your vote at the end thank you applicant want to come forward Hello, Elisa Sow uh with Shutz and Bowen, 300 South W Avenue, Orlando, Florida, 32801.
Um to clarify, am I Let's go back. Could you help me? Yes. Okay. I had an issue with this last time. Okay. So, we talked about this last meeting. this parcel because of the
city's GIS map um this only the top portion of this parcel is being proposed to be part of this project in annex. So this parcel right here is going to be remaining within the county. So there is no connection. So we are not creating any sort of enclave. All of this is
still within the county and so we again have um provided a memorandum to the city attorney. The city attorney has reviewed and agreed with us. We have also spoken with Orange County and Orange County does not have an issue with this annexation either.
So, it complies with all the statutory requirements. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant? Okay. All right. And I just want to state similar to last time. I thank you for that explanation. Same concerns that I have and I appreciate um Mr. Clen coming to meet with me at one
point to kind of more deep dive into what this project looks like. It it it it'll be a very unique project and it's my understanding there's supposed to be gated streets. It's it's going to have um a lot of green space from my understanding, but I still do think that uh it will create some some urban sprawl. It's going to be I think a
little bit more of a drain in our our resources and and a lot of what um our lack of planning for infrastructure. We just need to get our feet out ahead of us. So, it's not specific to this project, but just in general, we need to be doing that. So, I will be letting know, but I I hopefully you guys understand why.
Okay. Looking for a motion to approve ordinance number 3107. So move. Second. Motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries 4 to one with
Commissioner Neesa in opposition. Okay. Ordinance number 3101. Ordinance number 3101. an ordinance of the city of Apakka, Florida, rewriting the comprehensive plan in its entirety
with the exception of the transportation element, providing for legislative findings, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. Good afternoon. Uh this is the rewriter of the comp plan with the exception of the transportation element. Joint workshops
between the city council and planning commission regarding the rewrite of the comprehensive plan were held on September 10th, 2024. And on February 11th, 2025, where city staff in the east central Florida regional planning council staff presented the draft of the rewrite of the comprehensive plan and sought input and direction from the
planning commission and city council related to this document. Comprehensive plan is the main document provides policy foundation for local planning and land use decisions for respective jurisdiction in the state of Florida. All jurisdictions within the state are required to have a comprehensive plan
per Florida statute. Per statute, Florida, the comprehensive plan is required to have the following elements. Future land use, housing, infrastructure, conservation, recreation, and open space, transportation, which was approved by the city council on August 7th, 2024. Intergovernmental coordination, property
rights, which was adopted in 2021, and an optional element, which is resiliency and sustainability. The current comprehensive plan was adopted in 2009. Uh several years back, the city contracted with the East Central Florida Regional C Planning Council to rewrite
the comprehensive plan with the exception of the transportation element. This rewrite modernizes the comprehensive plan and a rewrite according to the Florida statute of the comprehensive plan is processed similarly to a large-scale future land use amendment where the amendment is sent to the Florida Department of
Commerce and other state agencies for a determination of the consistency with state planning policies. After their review, it is then scheduled for an adoption hearing before the city council and is then sent to the Florida Department of Commerce and other state agencies for a determination and
consistency with state planning policies and final approval. Senate Bill 180 has been adopted by the Florida Legislature and is now law. And in our briefings, we kind of talked about that. I've sent the commission an email outlining Senate Bill 180. And at the conclusion of our
presentation, Attorney Han will outline the requirements of Senate Bill 180 as it relates to the comprehensive plan rewrite. But in a nutshell, the bill prevents burdensome prohibits burdensome regulations on redevelopment by local governments within 100 miles of a hurricane storm track and local
governments affected by hurricanes Debbie, Helen, and Milton as listed on the federal disaster declaration. The city of Apakka isn't an affected area. Based on this, staff reviewed the rewrite or the draft of the rewrite to determine if there are any policies that
need to be removed as they would been determined to be burdensome. We provided a list of those for city council consideration. Um, that was why we had the continuation from the May 21st hearing to today to allow us time to review that. And a couple highlights from that list include
uh the reinccorporation of HDR25, the highdensity residential area of the city. Uh we were going to remove that from the comp plan. and we've had to put that back in. And then uh upon annexation of properties north of Sebastian Springs Lane, we had reduced that residential density to one unit per
acre. We've now had to go back to two, which is what is in the current comp plan because if not, that would be a burdensome regulation and the city could face some um challenges and the u legal landscape on that.
staff recommends if the city council votes to transmit the draft to today based on the list that we recommend that if you transmit, please base it on the list that we provided. Is your discretion to not, but we strongly advise you to based on the requirements
of Senate Bill 180. On May 13, 2025, the planning commission recommended approval of this ordinance by a vote of 6 to1. The recommended motion this afternoon is to accept first reading ordinance number 3101 and authorize staff to transmit to the Florida Department of Commerce and
other reviewing agencies. Uh attorney Han will address the requirements of Senate Bill 180. And for technical questions, U Michelle Morrison with the regional planning council is here as well as Dr. Sen. So with that, I'll turn it over to attorney hand.
Thank you, Mr. How and uh commissioners. I I know I've spoken a little bit about this before um both to you and as well as some of the other boards. Um just very briefly going over some of the applicable portions of that bill. Um now first of all that bill was approved on the last day of session before the uh
session was extended. It was just approved by the governor on June 26th and uh has become a law now. U so the meat and potatoes will really affect the rewrite uh is in the last section. There's there's two provisions that affect comprehensive planning. um but
one is perspective and one is both backwardlooking and within a time certain. So I'll address the the last section of that bill and and what that says is it it governs the entire state of Florida when it comes to local governments. Um although the terms of the bill are couched in counties that
were affected by federal disaster declarations for for last year's three hurricanes that effectively encompasses the entire state of Florida. So everyone uh is in the same boat local governmentwise um as far as regulation by this bill. Um
essentially what local governments are prohibited from doing are enacting moratoriums um on construction reconstruction uh a host of some other items and developing procedural regulations and developing or proposing or adopting any more
restrictive or burdensome uh regulations within a comprehensive plan or within uh the jurisdions's local um or within the uh land development regulations. Um so that prohibition is in place. Um, quite
interestingly, it is retroactive uh up to October 1st, 2024. So, it encompasses everything from last fall and that runs until October 1st, 2027. So, unless this uh this law is amended
um later on in session this year or or next year, uh these restrictions are in place. They're in place until 2027. Just as a very quick aside, there is also a forward-looking provision of the bill that I mentioned and that will um without going into details. Really, if
there's a declaration that affects the city in the future, uh hurricane uh declaration that affects the city in the future, the the city would be prescribed from creating these regulations, adopting them for a period of one year.
But in any case, that's really looking forward until after October 1st, 2027 since we know that this restriction is in place for that period from last August to October of 2027. Um, if you have any questions on it, I'd be happy to answer uh, you know, anything, but
that's really the the crux of um, what you're looking at as far as comprehensive planning and land development regulations. Any questions for Bobby or Michelle or Andrew? I just had a couple questions. There was
something that we discussed during the agenda review. Um just specifically to the data that's being used in this. Some of it's from 2022, some of it's from 2023. Um some stuff we can update more quickly like uh the amount of permits have been filed and approved, things of
that nature. So I just want to discuss how is it important to have the most recent data available since this is such a long-term plan and and why or why not. Right. So primarily the meat and potatoes of a comprehensive plan when somebody is looking at it to evaluate
whether a policy city's policy is implemented related to a project is the goals, objectives and policies. So those are the things that would say you can have so much density in this future land use designation. That's an example. the data inventory analysis that's the
section you're citing it does support the GOPs but eventually data next year is going to be outdated so we as soon as it becomes available if we get more up-to-date data between now and the adoption hearing we can incorporate it in the DIA and I believe Dr. son is in
informed me that some of that's kind of easy to obtain but some of it isn't so like for instance population that's going to change tomorrow things like that the building permits I mean we can get that that's going to change as well well and and to that and thank you for that is I didn't are we using the data
that's within this to then plan other things like land development code or things of that nature we're using the data that's from this then and pulling that to meet metrics primarily the data that would be planned to do like a rewrite of the land development code. So, long story short, I'm not trying to
get super wordy on explanations, is that if the council chooses to adopt the comprehensive plan, we'll have to come back next year and do a rewrite of the code to make sure that the land development code's consistent with the comprehensive plan. Primarily, the land development code is a way to carry out
the policies of the GOP or the the comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan is a policy document. So, it's basically the way I look at it is when I grow up, uh, when I was a little kid, when I grew up, I always wanted to be a firefighter. Well, that never happened. I became a planner. And being a planner is like working at Denny's. You never
intend on being working there. You just kind of fall into it. So, but the land development code is basically you will do this. The the comp plan is a policy thing. We want to be this, but then the land development code
is we will do this. You shall do this. Okay. And then so there's there's some discussions on kind of the specifically the one that I was uh going through is the reclaimed water pumping and storage facilities. And this states that golden
gym facilities online and that by the fall of 2024 it says proposed in planning stages high service pumps and one tank to be completed by fall of 2024. Again we discussed this during uh my review. Those numbers are then calculated to use
into our capacity. uh of new projects and and annexations and ability to take on new properties. So I guess that's my concern is that that specific facility just using that as one example that's not up and running that didn't happen. We know that. So should it be properly
or I guess updated in this plan so that we're not using land development code isn't saying well we have that capacity when we really don't. We could and what we could do is if you vote to transmit this afternoon between the adop between the um transmitt and the adoption hearing we could update those numbers.
Okay. And then and thank you for that. So then and again I asked this during uh agenda review is the there's a lot of uh discussion in here of infrastructure plans between now and basically I think it was 2028 was was a goal date of some
of the infrastructure updates specifically to uh some of the reclaim water pumping things of that nature and facilities and and that was something that I guess and and this is it's a segue into next week's uh budget workshops is are our
departments with this being written, are they planning and budgeting properly for the next three to five years to get what's being accomplished or talked about in here done? Right? So, I I get it's a wish list, but at the same time, let's be realistic about it, too, of that. Are we going to be able to spend
whatever amount it is? Do we have the money in place to do what's in this plan? Yeah. And we had discussed this. It's based on the capital improvements program budgeting and stuff like that. And I think that's every um if I recall every five years per statute you have to
do a CIP update. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions for Bobby or the team? Okay. Public comment. Albert McKime 3603 Golden Gem Road. I'd like to thank Mr. Hell for his explan
explanation of the difference between the comprehensive plan and the land development code. It's something that as a citizen I don't always understand. What I do understand is that you today are being watched by people
all over on YouTube. And what I'd like to make clear to them is that it would appear that the comprehensive plan is going to limit some of what you can and can't do
because it said stop restrictive practices. Well, it also mentioned moratoriums. So by the sounds of it, the comprehensive plan is going to limit what you can do in terms of preventing building.
Therefore, the only comment I'm going to make is it becomes even more important that when you consider annexation that you consider that once you've annexed something that your choices are going to be se severely restricted in
what you can do. Anybody else from the public? All right. If not, we'll close the public hearing. I just Well, first of all, I want to thank the East Central Florida Regional Planning Council, uh, all their hard work. That's gosh, how long have y'all been working on this? How many months?
Years. Years. Three years. 36 months. So, I mean, it's it's it's been a process and we we obviously couldn't have done it without your your teams and, you know, you got a lot of expertise down there and so we appreciate, you know, your your being a part of of our our rewrite. So, thank you. So, with that, look for a motion to
approve ordinance number 3101 at first reading and hold over for a second reading and adoption. Some move. Got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries
unanimous. All right. Ordinance number 3112. Ordinance number 3112. An ordinance of the city of Apopa, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044.
The hereafter described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida. Owned by Reed Marvin Wade and Reed Susan Thomas. located at 1920 Shieler Avenue comprising 40.16 acres more or less
providing for directions to the city clerk severability complex and an effective date. Good afternoon. This is Dr. Jun planner at the community development department. The applicant has requested annexation
of the properties located at 1920 Schiller Avenue. The total area of the properties is 40 acre. The most of properties are currently vacant with the one currently used for residential purpose. Surrounding properties has a future land use and zoning for
residential and agriculture. The annexation proposed for single family residential development. Is this the correct that's one packet? Uh in the packet it's ordinance number 3112 which is the
annexation of 1920 Sheiler Avenue. Yeah. I'm sorry. or we just have the wrong slides under the It's the wrong slides. Yes, you can use that. What we can do is use the location map on the applicants presentation. So, we
apologize about that. Okay. Apologize for that. Um I made a mistake while prepare preparing the presentation files. So, okay. So the surrounding property has official land use and zoning for residential and agriculture and the annexation is
proposed for a single family residential development for 115 homes. Development review committee recommends approval and recommended motion is to accept the first reading and carry over for second reading and adoption at July 16th city
council meetings. Steps and applicant are available for any questions. Okay. Any questions for June? Jim, that that little square that's what this has has purple. So, is that being annexed as well? Is that a part of this
project also? Yes. The one with the pink square? Yes. As well as the blue square are. Do we have the Is there a range there? Which is the one that has the the police range? Yes. gun range is um about like
thousand feet away from the properties. Okay. To confirm, this already is an enclave, correct? A smaller enclave. It is. It is enclave, but and annexation will actually decrease the annex enclave. So, it's fixing somewhat of that issue and
eventually the other properties in there may become part of the city as well, eliminating the enclave altogether. Yes. Okay. And sorry to interrupt, but that the county had signed off on the fact the county signed off on the fact that it did not create an enclave. They said that it lessened an enclave because that
was our initial question. This is an enclave. They provided information said it's decreasing an enclave and therefore is not creating an enclave. Okay. Thank you. So I guess Apple wants to come down and say something. Sure. Uh good afternoon,
mayor and city commissioners. My name is Jonathan Hules with the Louns Law Firm, 215 North Yola Drive, Orlando here on behalf of the owners. And as June and Bobby have explained, we're here on the first step. There's three pending development or applications with the city right now. Uh pending, this is the
annexation, and this is to annex the property into uh the the city and to follow would be the comp plan and the reasonzoning. I think this next slide might do a better Well, here's the here's the one statement that I included
in my presentation. And when uh the app that the the owner had a uh preapp with the city, the city staff was very clear to say, "Hey, when we take on these types of annexations involving enclaves like we have here, that's and this is a
better illustration of it. Uh everything that's colorcoded is already in the city. They said, um, you need to go to the county and make sure you get, uh, in writing a confirmation that the county doesn't have any issue with the annexation. And so, we had spent some time working with both the county's
planning staff and the county, uh, attorney on um, presenting this this annexation. It is a annexing a very large portion of an existing enclave. And therefore, um, the county and we
believe it supports, uh, this section cited from the Florida statutes, which really is a mission statement to say when you can reduce or eliminate enclaves, you should do so. So, this uh, request is not um, being opposed by the
county. Um, they I wouldn't say they're, you know, they they they're they don't have an issue with it. I I would say they don't have an issue with it. And so um you as you could see here it the the city currently touches the property on
both the existing northern boundary as long as well as the southern boundary and the southwestern section of of the city. So uh comp plan and resoning is to follow. Um here's a conceptual
development plan of the project. It's seeking residential low suburban which just go back to this map is that yellow color that's shown on this map. So, uh very consistent with other subdivisions that have been developed in the area. Um
to the to the south is actually a higher density uh future land use designation of residential high. Um and then here is what's being proposed with an RTF zoning. It's 115 single family residential homes at a density of
approximately um 2.9 dwelling units an acre. So the lots would consist of 60 foot lots and 80 foot lots. Uh about a quarter of the property is going to be retained as open space and it does preserve there is an
on-site wetland that's going to be reserved and not impacted through the proposed project. So that's a lot of information, more information that you need for what's being considered today in form of the annexation. But all I could tell you that we've reviewed all the criteria, applicable criteria, and we believe it meets all of them in
including u reduction in size of an existing enclave. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Any questions for Jonathan? A couple. And thank you for for this presentation, too. Can you go back to the future land use map? Sure. Uh that one. Yes. Uh,
yes. The city of Apakka Police Department gun range. Are you able to point to that? I will do my best based on my knowledge of where it's located. Uh, let's see. If I point here, does that show? I think it's off the screen.
It's It's I think it's up in this location in the crosshatch. Okay. That was my understanding. Well, yeah, it's right. It's over a thousand feet away. It's separated by an existing subdivision. My understanding is that gun range has been designed and operated consistent with all applicable
regulations. Um but but uh that that was a comment we received from the the city's um police chief as part of our DRC review. Uh DRC did recommend uh actually our DRC review
of the comprehensive plan amendment and um uh the request was to provide notice of the existence of the gun range in this vicinity to this subdivision and the uh developer uh is agreeing to do that and so there will be notice provided. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, for
some reason I had it placed in my head directly to the west which it's not. It's a neighborhood and then um to the north there. you there's two other submitts you have currently with the city. Can you and you said then I just didn't write it down. What are Yeah, sure. There that's the comprehensive plan amendment and the reasoning. So this is the bring the property into the
city and then the next steps would be to actually assign um a a future land use designation under the comp plan and then the reszoning. Okay. Attorney hand would those two submitts do they come back do they come back to us with SB
180? I can answer that. Yeah. No change in those processes. That doesn't it doesn't help expedite that process or that doesn't address the timing of that process at all or those two. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Any other questions for Jonathan? Okay. Anybody from the public Albert Mckame 360 Golden Chair Road I've got nothing negative to say about the development. In fact, it's one of the few occasions when up when I see a point of annexation. Today has been very educational for a lot of us citizens
because sometimes we wouldn't understand about annexation. What I do see today is that it must be complicated for infrastructure to be developed when you have enclaves. Who knows who's going to
be responsible for for the infrastructure, for the sewage, for the water. So, I'm presuming since it's already surrounded by by city property, there's there's already infrastructure in place
there. But just a question for you guys. When we look at a map of of Apopka in general and we identify enclaves, should we not be already looking to see what infrastructure might
be needed if if and when those are annexed so that we can get ahead of the curve and not always be behind it. Rogers back at 7 West Main Street. I don't have any objection to this um annexation, but this is something that
you see that like I said reduction of enclave plus um you look at it's fairly consistent. You got city of all around it. um of course you have um probably sewer water relatively close to the site but this is the intent of clean
annexation to where you're not extending yourself beyond your means because we come back well I hear you guys discuss all the time you know we need more infrastructure but this is the phase where you really take a closer look at what you're annexing to make sure it
makes sense so for example um we're talking about annexation Now I know you guys are also going to come back and discuss um the extension with the um JP in local agreement and the inlo agreement I know is um they've identified several enclaves within city
of Aka. My question is to the council as a whole are you guys going to look to pursue to close up some of these enclaves or is it just going to still be more on voluntary annexation or developers coming forward? Is there going to be an actual I guess a plan to move forward to reduce those areas? So I
know this that's kind of a loaded question for the most part but I think this is a time we really need to look at it because you keep hearing people discuss this matter. I went to the website where you guys do a strategic plan and that's the question that's loaded up on there growth uh planning
infrastructure. So I think at some point in time we got to really take a a bite at the apple and put the plan to move forward. Thank you. Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Uh, standing for the schools again. 115 units means 47 students will be moving
into our already overcrowded schools because we are one of the couple areas in Orange County are growing so rapidly. We have more trailers than any other part of this county. And the trailers are not, as I pointed out before and showed you documentation, are not as
safe. They're more expensive to operate. And we're suggesting our kids to a more restrictive area and and area that's not as safe. Thank you. Anybody else?
Ju just a quick um additional note um and you'll see it when the comp plan and the reasoning come back before you but we did as all development applications for resoning or a comp plan amendment have to do uh submitted for and obtained a a school
capacity determination for county public schools and for this project it shows that all three school levels have capacity so capacity is not an issue for this project. So, just wanted to put that on the record. Thank you. And then the another question that was asked was
the utilities they're they're easy and local to your site there. It's my understanding that there's utilities running along Sheila that that'll be available to serve this project. Thank you.
All right. Okay. You don't normally let people come back for a second bite at the apple, but go ahead. Again, back back the issue of schools. Also, for the record, the aspect is Orange County has only turned down once
in aka only one time has ever turned down the aspect of of an opera of approving of an of a easy for me to say approval of new homes. And they don't. The one time that they did, you guys
voted and overrode them. Again, they're not as safe. They're more expensive to operate. Thank you. All right. Close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3112 at first reading and hold over for a second reading and
adoption. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. It closes the enclave. Second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, ordinance number 3114.
Ordinance number 3114. An ordinance of the city council of the city of Apopka, Florida, amending chapter 6, alcoholic beverages of the city's code of ordinances, adding definitions, establishing procedures, requirements, and standards for
obtaining an open container permit, setting forth vendor responsibilities, amending article 4 use regulations of the city's land development code to clarify alcohol sale restrictions for mobile food vendors, providing for codification, providing for
severability, conflicts, and an effective date. Good afternoon again, uh, mayor and commissioners. Rad Williams, interim city administrator. Uh, ordinance number 3114 proposes to establish a standardized permitting process for open container consumption in designated
public spaces. Uh, the ordinance does currently allow the city to or does currently allow the possession and consumption of alcoholic beverages and open containers with public rightways and other public spaces. um with council approval, but there's no
form or process in the code for how that how somebody would go through that or apply for dome container permit. So, that's really what was brought forth in the ordinance change. Um section 6-3
possession or consumption in public space was updated and the open container permit procedure was put in or put into the document that includes application contents uh what's required for that application submission
uh review and approval and that the ultimately city council still needs to approve the container permit. But this just gives a form and function for uh a group to come uh with their special event request to request an open
container with their event. And I do know at agenda prep uh some comments and some feedback. If you look at uh line 281 through line 324, there's very similar language, almost
copied language uh backtoback regarding consumption in public areas, lots etc. with outside lens outside license premises prohibited and then also consumption in parking areas, lots etc. adjacent to vendors premises prohibited.
Both of these areas lived live currently in the code in different locations of the code of this chapter. Uh they were put together in this area. Um but I do think we need some additional um guidance from the city man our city attorney's office on a little bit of
cleanup on these two areas. But they were in the code. They are in the code as they stand right now. Okay. Any questions for Bradley? So you you're asking for the city attorney to even dive more into this and clean it up
on those spec in that specific section that the code currently has that that exact language in two different areas. Yes. I'd like them to between now and the second reading go back in at that area and and clarify that a little bit. Wouldn't it be best then to table this
and bring it back to the This is a public hearing ordinance. So it is a first reading, second reading scenario. So any changes, comments or anything we can bring back to the second reading for final adoption. I think it would make sense if we're going to make a tangible change to it like that. I think it does make sense to to table it then and
especially that'll push it to the 7 p.m. meeting, our next meeting, which will allow uh more public input as well. So I think that makes sense to get this finalized by the attorney and go from there. And then so it will come back to this. It will come back to the next meeting regarding this first. first
reading next meeting though. I think that makes the most sense. To the next meeting. Are there any approve it? We approve it now. We're approving it as is and so I would bring it back. I would
recommend bring it back as a first reading with the changes. I also agree with that. I think we should bring it back with the first reading with the changes as well. Okay. Public comment. Albert became A3603 Golden Gem Road.
Open carry containers in our current environment where we have a lot of homeless population in Apopka I can see creating a lot of problems. We also have to look at close by here
where there are several places who are licensed to sell alcohol. But even if you were to allow open carry, there's just as many registered churches in the area and there already are statutes that deny you the right to
carry alcohol in the vicinity of educational facilities and churches. So, in looking at changing ordinances, we might as well have a close look at if we're going to change it just to service some of the local uh establishments
around about here. Will it actually work? Anybody else want to speak on this one? Close the public hearing. Look for a motion to I just have one more question too before we table this. Uh was uh the police department were you guys involved in conversations with this? Can and I
just have a couple more questions. We can't come up here briefly. Thank you. [Music] Appreciate that. Uh the with what we have now, whatever's in place now for approvals because there's a process in place. How does that how does this differ?
Does it add more onus on officers now with this in place to then be enforcing another rule law or No, it actually places more onus on the event coordinator. Uh if you look at the ordinance, it basically is requiring
them to establish the perimeter and post where the perimeter is. So, it more it provides our officers with a restricted area that we know where the open container has been approved by city council by a map that the um event promoter or coordinator, whatever
they're listed as in there, um has to bring to city council for approval for the open container ordinance. Uh and with respect to the previous comments, it's uh selling within um church within a specific distance. I think it's 1,000 ft of a church. Uh but most of these
places are going to have their alcohol license and be approved to sell alcohol in those locations. But again, it's a permit. It's a permitting process for an event. And the onus really becomes stricter on the event coordinator to provide us with a map of the area and
for them to outline that area, make sure that the guest attending the event, you know, is posted so they have that and then also it's clear for our officers to know where those event guidelines are. It didn't we though? It It shows that we're crossing out some stuff in here.
Lines 243 to 276. Most of it's been moved. It's not really crossed out. I think it was moved further down. So, they already did have that same the other requirements apply to Florida statutes where a business has to post in their business that you can't take an
open container outside of their business. This is allowing through an event permit through the council to allow them to designate the council to designate a certain area to take their open container. So the one part pertains to posting your property so that on
normal circumstances on every day-to-day operations, you cannot take an open container outside of their business or outside of their area that their license allows you them to serve alcohol. This is allowing the city council to, like I said, establish an event area that's
defined by a map, defined by postings, and it has to remain on site for our officers to be able to retrieve if needed to deal with. Okay. Thank you. And last time this was up that we all had this discussion, it was specific to the farmers market here. I know this is more broad and and gives that runway of
not just the farmers market, but anybody effectively to be able to apply for this. So when that was brought up, it was the concerns of local business owners and things of that nature. Um if if an or if a map was touching their property or was close to their property,
people were allowed to walk on. So they were concerned about um if they had any liability or anything like that to those type of events. Are we putting any type of approvals from local businesses if it touches their business? Anything like that? I mean, what type of Well, I
think, you know, I'm not going to speak on liability. That's why we have a city attorney sitting over there, and it's not my place. But you all are proven the map, and if you have people obviously have opportunities to come up and do public comment during your approval of these events and everything else, um,
the event coordinator has to provide the city with liability insurance, uh, which would carry over to something that happened from their event onto private property. if I'm not mistaken. I'll let the city attorney confirm that I'm right on that.
So, we're providing insurance. They're providing insurance to cover any acts that occur as a result of their event. And it's not just open container ones. We require that for events in the park where there's not going to be um alcohol served or anything else that if that event creates a problem then somebody
the city or a third party has recourse towards that insurance. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Anybody from the public wish to speak on it? Not we'll close the public hearing. for a motion to continue ordinance
number 3112 to the July 16th meeting. It's 3114 open contain. Oh, I'm sorry. 3114, I'm sorry. Continue the ordinance number 3114 to the July 16th meeting. So, got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez, second
by Commissioner Nesa. All those in favor? All oppose? Motion carries unanimously. Ordinance number 3115. Okay. Ordinance number 3115. An ordinance of the city of Apopka, Florida, establishing a sunset date for
article 5 of chapter 66 of the Apopka code of ordinances pertaining to local business taxes providing for the automatic repeal of the requirement for local business tax receipts and all related provisions for the Apopka code
of ordinances on October 1, 2025 providing for codification, severability, conflicts, and an effective date. All right. This was one that's brought to my attention. We've, you know, we've got some overlapping regulations and uh
you Okay. Anyway, that we've got obviously our fire department does an awesome job every year. They go to all the commercial businesses within the city to make sure they've got their their fire extinguishers up, make sure they don't have the doorways are are,
you know, secure or they're they're open that you can get out in and out. So, we thought, why do we need the BTR um why not just eliminate that re this redundancy in permitting? We've already
got our fire department out there. If we need to add some some additional, they could add a on their on their report. They could add what kind of business. I mean, I know there was some things that were said um from Antuinette about what what we we could add to that the uh the
the fire uh department's inspection to to get those those items that we need. But, you know, we've got two full-time people almost almost two full-time people. And you know there the amount of time and effort uh I can't
tell many pe how many calls we get or I get you know I'm just got one I got one employee I don't have any I'm working out of my house do I need to have a a BTR whereas they they the same small businesses see value in the fire department coming out. So I think we we
by eliminating the BTR we eliminate the redundancy. We've got three counties in the area that have that have uh that have rescended the BTR. So it's not without precedent. So with that, I'll answer any questions.
My concern was that three years ago there was a necessity to hire a vendor, right, to come in and actually look for the small businesses. And I
believe this was done just right after CO that we hired the vendor. uh 2023 was when they started. So it was right after CO so be during from 2023 to present and then I know we were renewing
the vendors um we were authorizing him to come in and continue the BTR. What changed between them not then and now? because I believe the fire department was always uh
checking fire inspections. Agreed. It's just we the the amount of effort we put into the BTRs to get compliance is just it's it's it's mind-numbing. We get three, four, we have to send three or four emails out. We have to to you know, they have to
come in and and fill out the paperwork. And for some, you know, if it's nonprofit, they you know, they don't pay anything. So there just a lot of reasons why it it the redundancy there with the amount of cost that it's cost the city and also our our small business owners here in Apopka. I just think it makes
sense to we need to add you know a line or two on the the the fire inspection we can get the information that uh that if our economic development director needs and do it all at one time because they see the the small business owners they see value in inspections. they don't see
value in a BTR that all we are is just a money grab. That's all it is. Money grab. We get you to fill out this form. We we take your money. So, if we eliminate it uh and and we can we can reduce streamline the the regulations on our small businesses here in Apaka.
When is the contract up for this contractor? It's the end of uh end of this end of this fiscal year. It does this week. So, end of the fiscal year. The fiscal year. end of this fiscal year. All right. So, the end of this fiscal year is September 30th, right?
So, if we vote on this today and say we're done, is this what first reading? Yeah. What are we doing with the business owners from today on Are we telling them as they come in, don't pay? I think if it's if adopted, the program
would sunset. They wouldn't be really comp I don't know how we'd compel them to come back in and finish if they have not already paid this year. What we should if we're considering this today,
then we should actually be shutting down the department as of today because it's not fair to the business owners to come in and pay for a BTR if we're considering today to sun to sunshine it
at the end of the fiscal year. um and they're paying a renewal that's beyond the fiscal year. So we we could that's the pleasure of the board. We could certainly if it's the will of the council to end it immediately upon the adoption of the
second reading. I don't see why we couldn't do that. U the way the ordinance reads I mean as of right now is shall remain September 30th. As far as
Sorry, council. But I was uh in conferring with your city administrator, the ordinance is definitely set up currently to become effective October 1st. Um and uh not affect any business tax receipt issued up until September 30th. So if you want to look at something different and see if there are any potential issues given that it is a
tax and and taxes are planned on a yearly basis, I mean certainly that can be looked at, but but you know that would require change to the ordinance definitely. Well, I think what we'd like to do is have that information then as we plug it into what the the fire department's doing. we'd have all that information. We've already we already
started collecting, you know, uh the BTRs already. So, it would be nice to finish it out, get that information that that we would like, and then we we build on the the fire department's inspection um that that they they do yearly.
I know, but it's still not fair to the business owner that he comes in tomorrow. He's got I don't know. They they renew the BTRs yearly. Yeah. So, I don't think we're going to be collecting for the We're not going to be collecting for the following year. They're going to stop collection, right? October 1. Yeah. So,
they're not they haven't started collecting. Yeah. It starts again in October. October. Okay. So, so they would just be paying up for this fiscal year. You've got some that have not paid yet for this current year. They don't they don't feed in advance, trust me. Right. Yes. We don't. Yes. Yeah. So, they
haven't started paying yet. So, that's your concern. But, yeah, they're not having to start paying yet. Okay. I don't want someone to come in and pay and we're we're sunshining it and then they're like, well, you know, I'm paying
for the next year. No, it's on it's on that fiscal year. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and here's the concern, too, I guess, with with sunsetting this. Yes, the fire department does do inspections, but they don't do home inspections and of home businesses. And that's something that is one of our mo biggest emerging
industries is home uh home small businesses. So, we don't know what businesses then are operating within our city at that point. And our economic development director that we just stated and and she said there's such a value of having that list. The fire department is not going to be able to fill that void
of that list and there's no incentive for anybody to come in to provide that. So, we won't be able to provide a good service to the small businesses that are here that are starting and trying. Uh, we we're just kind of saying just no, good luck. Uh, fire department, do your best. And let me add a little bit to
your Did we invest in when the in a system, right, where they could actually register the the new businesses. I think that was something that the But there's no incentive for them to do it. I think that's the point. Well, if I didn't think there's no incentive. So,
that's that's the point. We should know and it's obviously very valuable for our economic development director. She made the point that she needs to know who's operating within our system. I think more so she said that it was more so for not the financial impact. It was also just knowing who's operating the system.
But again, it who's going to who cares to register if there's no incentive to register? Well, there's really no incentive of payment for them. There is because and they just created a new ordinance that said that BTRs now that you can go after property owners for non-payment of BTRs. So why do we do
that ordinance on a code enforcement side and then doing this less than a year later? It's inconsistent with what we've No, I think it's a change of of change of of looking at data and realizing that it's ineffective and it's how is it ineffective? They're not paying it. If
you look at the cost of kind of what's going on, it's costing the city more money to try to implement. It's not costing the city more money. Well, but the percentage the percentage is not working. The problem is you've got the people that pay and you got the people that don't pay. So, but it's still $200,000 that's adding to our and it's
more than that by the end of the fiscal year that's adding to our bottom line as well. So, it's we're able to then help the residents in that capacity. So, are we finding 200 plus thousand dollars somewhere else in our in our revenue stream? We've we've got we've got it I
know with Blanch we worked on some numbers that will Yeah, that will make it a a wash. Well, m Miss Sherman, please land chairman, finance director. Yes. So, where are we getting this money from? Um, as discussed um during our
briefing, what we are looking at is increasing the fire inspection fee to offset this to make it revenue neutral. So, we're going to only we're going to higher tax the brickandmortar retail or
businesses, but then those at home, no tax on, we won't even know if they even exist. And that fee that we charge, I think, is $60, which is way low compared to others. 66 compared to others that are like a hundred and some dollars. So, we really
are not in the range with our peers. So, it's something we need to look at anyway. It's a I understand that. So, we already need to look at it. So, we're we're already below market and then we're already using the adjustment to get to
market to offset now a reduction. So, it doesn't seem to make sense that we're going to use we're already below market. We're going to get to market and then use that to then reduce our revenue over here as well. So, and again, our the economic development director very
specifically stated and she had touted that during our our conversation as well that the BTRs are so important, that data is so important, and we're not going to have that without the BTRs. Um, I don't know if we're not going to have that information without the BT. Well, nobody has a plan of how we're going to get that otherwise.
Does this contractor have a system where he's tracking all of this information? The one that we have, Chief, do you have as far as what the the fire department Yeah. Why don't you come on? Come forward. And then while we're at it, city administrator Williams, do we have uh any reports or like kind of updates
from the vendor, the BTR vendor like either monthly, quarterly, annually that they kind of other than these numbers that have changed, I think three times in the last three days. Yeah. So, I don't know legitimacy of these, but do we have any of that that provides? Yeah, these are the audited revenue numbers
and expenses numbers. So, I apologize that was on me for we had we had I had sent the wrong attachment to the document. Um, I'll have to look into with our community development department if there was a a reporting function. I think it just came in as
their revenue. Um, yeah, I don't know if it was annual or quarterly or what the process was. He gave a presentation when when he came back for his renewal and talked about, you know, what he's generated and all of that. So, I think it is a reporting function. So it should be some type of database and I apologize
I'm not at the podium but it should be some type of database of information and at this point it's a matter we got to continue to maintain that database and right so who's going to do that and it may be with the staff so we're not actually reducing staff hours then I mean we're we've outsourced that the
staff is remaining the staff that is working on this effort well we may work through that with with the fire department so I you know there'll be So fire department's adding new staff. No, I mean we've got we're doing a we're
doing a a fire permit or firection every year. So uh chief if I could just clarify for our portion as far as the fires independent as far as the BTRs itself, we do rely on some of the data that does come over from the BTR, but we have our own directory for the
businesses. Most of that stuff is just cross reference from Sunbiz. So when an employer goes in or a business registers with Sunbiz that comes to the city, they should be filling out their BTR and it's generated in our own system where we have our yearly schedules.
So you're getting an automatic update from Sunbiz or is somebody going in to get a any new applications from Sunbiz in the city of Apopka? That's what was happening upstairs. They were going into the system and putting in that information into open gov and then transferring that over. So, we're if we
approve this, we're going to be missing that component now of being able to give you updates. Correct. And maybe that's not your correct. Yeah. We're going to have to figure out internally as far as how we're going to continue that part. Okay. So, we're just moving one expense to another effectively. Is that what's
happening? We're moving resources from one department to fire department. I I think we're the goal is to try and improve the experience for the business, small business owner and utilize the staff and the functions we have through the fire department uh which we have to
do those inspections regardless um to use that function to then take that data for economic development needs. So, but he the chief just stated that he takes data that's provided to him from this department and runs with it from there. So, who's going to right that
that office currently sits in the community development community development department. So, it might still come from their department and be shared to the fire department. That's a Sunbiz search. I I understand the the search, but again too, that you're only doing inspections,
the fire department's only doing inspections on brick and mortar. Correct. They're not doing home businesses at all, internet based businesses, things of that nature. Correct. So, we're missing a major market, an e-commerce market of understanding that. Um, so I don't know how we're going to be getting those for our economic development director and
their department to successfully build our city and build synergy with businesses like she had said to bring it from uh an e-commerce to a brick and mortar which is what we want, right? And my hope again uh with uh internet coming on
uh to really build that economic development department further uh from this the good start we had uh with Michelle and provide resources that is attractive to those small businesses that might be homebound first to interact with the city through the econom economic development department
and capture them that way. So I I think we're we're before Mrs. Forbes even gets here. I feel like we're taking away some of her ability to succeed. And it's what she had said both in her resume and here and and in my agenda
review that this was something she used as a platform for success for her city, for retail, for office. So I think we don't have a fully perfected plan of how we're going to fix this. So I don't want to just remove this without a plan of how this is going to be implemented long
term. And and I'm concerned about the fire department. They're fully capable of doing a lot of things. It's just they don't have the staff either to just add on a whole new department effectively, unless we're going to budget it, which I don't know if we are budgeting for that.
Uh a whole new department that runs it wouldn't be a whole new department. We have one and a half staff members in community development that that do the BTRs now, plus the contractor. But well, and and we don't want to miss the fact that it's not just businesses that are
getting these business tax receipts, but it's also nonprofits, churches, and and so it's not everybody that's that's generating income that's having to do this, right? And so it's not just businesses. And and I'm sure that there has to be a way that we can keep track
of the these businesses without having to to tax them in order to do what they're doing. And so we're taxing nonprofits and and churches and and everybody else. So it's not just and I don't disagree. That's not I completely agree. I guess this is the conversation.
What's the mechanism that we can get them to to new businesses to still register with us? What's that mechanism? Wasn't there a system that was created? I just can't remember the system that Michelle started working on. I It's not ringing a bell when you say that. So I'm not sure. It's not hidden for me. So I don't Do you guys remember? We can we
can definitely look. The thing is, I mean, he I agree with Commissioner Esther um when we had the hired and the the new economic developer come up here, she said the one
of her tools and resources are the BTRs and um what we can't seem to figure out is how do we capture the the businesses that start from home because the only thing that we know we realize that there is a business at a home is through the
BTR. So if we take this away, we're going to lose that whole segment of e-commerce that is from the home. How do we try? But but aren't aren't they required when they start a business before they can even register with some biz, they have to register with the city
and with the county. So they still have they still need to register. So that information should be there, right? We we just have because when I went to the county to get a a business tax receipt, they told me I had to have one from the city of Papa first and that before I
even registered with Sunbiz. So that should be reckless. Well, no. Some you can do without a BTR. They don't require a BTR to apply for an LLC, nonprofit, any of that. That's not a requirement to become registered. Can we help? No, but I can get on. We can register all of us
can register an LLC right now on Sunbiz without having any BTRs. But we can just require a registration of I guess what's the incentive? I agree. And that so something in it just hit me and that's why I was going back my notes when I was speaking to Mrs. Forbes yesterday. She had discussed and and I was hoping she'd
be here for this but maybe next week um that there's like a reimbursement component in St. Cloud or something that she's done. So you still get that you can capture the information and reimburse it. So we're not t you're taxing, but you're not taxing. So you want that incentive to still get the information because nobody's going to do
what they don't have to do. So what can we do? And again, I think that's the problem. I don't want to just get rid of this without having that new plan in place of how we still capture and create a successful plan for Mrs. Forbes to come in and and be successful. And I think having her input is very important
on this specific to especially she had discussed and I don't remember I wrote it down reimbursement of the BTRs. So, I don't know what that plan was. That's that's why she's the she has the experience and education in it. So, I think possibly wait for her to come back to be able to give her um input and
experience. And again, she spoke specifically about reimbursement. So, it's and I don't know what that threshold was to get the reimbursement, but it still created enough incentive for people to come in to do the BTR and then some type of uh reimbursement down the road. Uh which I'm totally open to. I think that's it. Again, I it's how do
we capture the information, the data that we need for a successful economic development department, but also not overt tax and unnecessarily tax our small businesses, nonprofits, etc. I think registration requiring them to register, right? A requirement to register. They're just not paying us register. What's the incentive again?
I'm But if they're if the requirement is registration, that's a requirement is registration. What's the um the business tax receipt is a form of registration. I mean, the business tax is receipt. It's just we're just collecting money. They're not getting any benefit other than us
putting their data. So it forces but I'm so I'm okay to reimburse them at some point. But if we're saying that the requirement is still to register, you still is required to register your business. But what if I don't? I guess that's what if you don't pay your business tax receipts. Well, then we
have a we now we just recently Exactly. So that's why so we can do the same thing if you don't register your business. Okay, hold on. Let's talk about that then. go down that alley. So, but it would still So, but then what would be the mechanism? I guess
it would still be a code enforcement issue in what capacity I guess how would you enforce it? How do you know that they are registered or not registered? How do you prove their own business? Sunbiz, I guess. The same way we do with business tax receipts. You're just not paying.
we would have to adjust the uh the ordinance for code enforcement because it's specific it specifically says BTRS so we'd have to amend that but then there's still some onus on
code forcement then at that point all right we go to public comment and we can come back bring it back Okay. Albert Becky 3603 Golden Gem Road. I still see some benefit in business tax receipts.
Okay. It's a form of taxation, but so was red light cameras until the mayor rescended them. So why would I advocate BTRs? because we should be able to subcontract out the collection of any
money that should be brought in just in the same manner as we provided a contract to um a company who went through the Sunbiz records and give us the information of people who had applied to Sunba Sunbiz but didn't have
a BTR record. So, why not just do the same thing? If it's going to cost the city money to uh do the the work and it's not worth the while, why don't we just keep the BTRs in place, but subcontract out the collection of the revenue to someone else? That way, we're
still taking a percentage of the revenue, but we're and we we benefit from all the information that they collect. It's still delivered to the city. as the BTRs. The reason I like them is because it allows another level
of security in the operation of businesses. It lets us know who's operating a business. When it's on trust only, we really don't know who's operating a business. We don't know what's happening. With a register of businesses that the guy on the street
can go to, he can look up and say, "Oh yeah, that's a bonafidey business." And if you were going to be administrating grants, would you not be looking up the BTRs to see who was a business? Be the first thing I did. And now we're
advocating getting rid of them. I say we we keep the BTRs. If you want to uh reduce the cost of the BTRs, fine. But the information that come from them is an excellent source. Also, what I disagree with is their transient
businesses come in. they don't have to operate with a BTR. And I think that's unfair in in terms of the businesses that are already here. So, you know, there's no onus on the farmers markets. Anyone that comes in there who has a food van who comes in from out of town,
they don't have to have a BTR, that's not fair and equitable. Rogers back at 7 West Main Street. Um, as much as I like for you guys to eliminate the business tax because I I I wish not to pay them. But, um, there is a need for, and I'm going to explain to
you why I think so. All right. So, if you don't have a business tax receipt that you're needing, you open up a business, usually when you come in and open up your business, you have to go to zoning to get certain things written off to let you know that this business can go into the location. If you eliminate
that, you have no mechanism to capture that. Secondly, um there again you had the economic development director explain to you guys how she used the information from the BTR to help the businesses communicate with one another. So you're going to take away that component. If you have a system that can
do that, I guess that's great. But maybe the reduction in the amount that you're paying may be adequate. Instead of it being 70, 80, 100 bucks or whatever it may be, maybe it's just a $25 registration fee annually. If you don't know what you want to do with the money, well then you put the money into a pool
that can benefit the businesses in a pocket. What do I mean by that? You may bring in someone to do a workshop. It may be on taxes. It may be on incorporation. There's things you can use the money for other than just staff purposes. Um, so it's there's a there's
a it plays a benefit and a role in how you capture and what you do with the money. Now, what you don't want to do is there again eliminate this whole process and then it affects the person that we're hiring to do her job in the best of her abilities.
Now, if there's other resources out there she can use, but I just think that as much as I would like to I get tired of fire department come knocking on my my office door and checking my fire extinguisher. I'm an office. I only have paper in here, right? But I do believe
there is places that they need to go to do an adequate inspection because that someone next to me could have something that's very dangerous. So there does play a component in it all. But I think we should really vet the discussion and understand what are we trying to accomplish by just eliminated because I
think I asked this question maybe two years ago on what was the money used for, right? I think it said just the general fund. So, if you're saying right now that you don't need the money general fund, put into a pool of money. It could be for your nonprofit organizations or account. Well, I'm not
even say nonprofit because they ain't paying the BTRs. No. Um, but but they are. They are. No, but they pay. It's a $5 fee. They still pay. Okay. If that is the case, all right, they can get some of the money. Um, but there again, that's I just think it should be a mechanism if you do reduce the fees.
Hey, that that allows for the city of PA to give different resources for businesses that's starting up because therefore if you don't go to SCORE or some other organization in Orlando, you really don't have any resources here locally that will help you as a small business because I know my in my journey
in this thing I've been figuring out for like 20 years I feel like but there again there is a need there's a component it's just a matter of how you want that to play to affect the player I mean the citizens and the whole thing. Some good information.
It's a good Rod Olsson, 3156 Rome Hills Lane. I just kind of as a taxpayer a little concerned some of the things. First of all, we should be retaining the cost. If not, the cost goes to the current taxpayers as opposed to new business. I want to have new business come in to look at
that. But we got a new economic development director coming in. We be let her weigh in. What have we done? Have we talked to the Chamber of Commerce with regard to what their input may be as well as looking at other communities and what are we doing elsewhere so we are competitive. Thank
you. Okay, real quick. Uh I wish uh Sylvester Hall Rock Springs I wish we can roll back the tape where we can actually play the meeting where we brought the BCR on board. how the gentleman who we brought
in to to handle everything, how he wanted a three-year contract, and we had to fight to say, "Oh, no, just one contract." Uh how he was planning on turning over every rock and make sure he find every business that was operating the city of Papa, make sure they pay
their dues, go back and they do back. What was it purpose then? Was it to seek money or was it to help the the businesses? And now I'm looking at a complete 360
degree double take. We don't need the program. And you thank God to the citizens that we don't like to listen to and peanut gallery just explain to you why it's important to have it. Now, I do agree
with Commissioner Anderson here, and everybody don't told you how useful it is. Just reduce the fees. Keep it in place and just reduce the fees. Or is there a hidden problem that we don't we don't we're not privileged
to? Do we have any issues with the contractor who we had a contract with? Those are the things that make you scratch. I don't have that hair mirror, but those are the things that make you, you know, pull your hair a little bit
because we always have to second guessess what is coming from you guys. We always have to vet the information that's being given because that's the atmosphere that you have created.
So we have to is it live or is it memorex? Is it fake information, fake news, or is it facts? Is it truth? Those are the things that I sit back there and try to vet for the citizen of this community
that you supposed to be doing. I take my time out. Nobody's paying me for this. It's just being a concerned citizen. Everything that you just heard is the
reason why we should keep it in play. And what Commissioner Anderson said, when you're right, you're right. I give you credit for it. Just reduce it. $5, $10 just to keep the program going. But we need all that vital information. And
what Commissioner Nester was saying, we just hired a economic developer director and we cut off at the knees because what she just said when she came here.
So, you know, when when you look at things and you look at it through the eyes of everybody else, it's like, okay, make it make sense to us. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? All right. Close the public hearing. A couple things that we need to to realize is
that Orange County still has a BTR program. So, they're still charging. So, they're they're if you want to use Orange County as your, you know, uh your way to look at at BTRs. The problem is it's it there are the people out there that are paying the BTRs
that doing the right thing and then there's a whole bunch of people that don't. And we we keep fighting to try to get the money from the so that everybody's paying their fair share and they don't they don't do it. And we fight every year to make sure that people paying this BTR. Just eliminate
it. Add a little extra onto the the fire inspection fee and we'll get this the same same benefit to the to the the taxpayer. The taxpayer is getting a benefit from when the fire department goes out there. They're getting zero benefit from the BTR. Zero. and and why
we just don't want to get rid of this and just let let the department, the fire department take on the responsibility, make sure that our our our brick and mortars that they they're operational. I mean, it it it it's just for efficiency, for for for the ability
for us to, you know, attract those small business. You know, if I don't have to have a BTR and a popka, I might come to a popkill. So yeah, it's not a big number, but you if you're going to lower the number, that makes absolutely zero sense because that mean fewer people are gonna going to find, you know, fill out
the form. Like it's only 10 bucks. I'm not going to fill it out. And so that that just it's a self-defeating prophecy if we reduce the the rate on the BTR. But but isn't that what you the whole goal of this is to reduce it? Eliminate it. Correct. So you're reducing it. No.
And previously, your administration pushed so hard and it was attorney Rodriguez that pushed like crazy for this to come into reality because you weren't charging it uh previously. No, we're charging it. We just weren't collecting it. Correct. And we're still not. So, no, we definitely are. You can
see 2023 $100,000 increase there. So, there there was an increase in that and I think it'd be very valuable, not I think it will be valuable to have Mrs. Forb's opinion on this to see what she has to say and really to see can she come up with a different idea or I'm sure she can. What different ideas does
she have in play that she's already implemented for this exact thing. This is not new to her by any means. So what does she have to say and then how can she craft this differently to have a plan in place where we don't just remove it and say fire department figure it out. It's we can remove it and here's the plan that is going to be perfectly
put into place and it keeps her successful and her department successful while serving our small businesses, our new businesses, our e-commerce. Uh it builds synergy within the community. We need her input on this very directly to see what her plans are should this go
through. And I agree that the information is is important and and I don't want to put any more work on the fire department of what they already do. Uh but I think there's a way to collect the same information and in addition to that they're when they go on Sunbiz they
simply collect the names of every individual that has a Sunbiz account that has an Apakka address but is not doing business in Apopka. So they're just getting address because they the address is in Apakka but they may be doing business in New York,
Orlando, someplace else. But I think the information is vital. I just think there's a a better way to get that same information so that our economic development director will have the information she needs which and I agree. I want to hear from her that what can she do and that vendor very specifically stated when he was here that he has a
proprietary system that finds these and is able to to really figure out which business he he specifically said that over and over and over. So he's got to be doing something other than just going to Sunbiz is how we sold it. So it can't just be going to Sunbiz. Um, so that's the whole thing. We were pushing so hard
for this. And again, I I'm there's my ask and request is to table this until Mrs. Forbes gets here to get her opinion and have let her get a plan in place so we're not just saying, "Hey, day one, you don't have this very important tool for your success for our businesses and
our residents." That's my ask is is let's table this until she gets here. Well, here's what I'd like to do is is to go ahead and pass on the first reading and then we'll wait till the second reading in August. No, no. Same thing we just did on the other. I'll tell you the truth. When we had the Friday when the agenda dropped that we
all got to see it, it was the first time that I was really surprised. I said, why all of a sudden are we sunsetting local business tax? Like there was never a discussion that we were dissatisfied with the service of the vendor or that
he he's done his job. We're not I'm not arguing. And we're still taxing the businesses. Yeah. So, it's just more so on the brickandmortar businesses than it is all businesses. It's this is like a more a direct approach only impacting retail business office because now it's
going to be an increased fire fee. So, when is her start date? Uh Monday, August 4th. August 4th. So again, I I don't like voting on
something where some changes may come from it, but she was specific today to say that this was a tool that she relies on. It's a tool that she relies on. So I don't want to vote to say that sunshine
it and she comes in and says, "No, I I can use it and maybe we can streamline it." um she can come up with a different plan. Let her let's not take away one of her tools. Let her, hey, this is the the rough way we want to go. How can you
still be successful in your business or in your uh department with us taking this away or moving it or doing something? I think it's very important to get her her input on this uh from the beginning. So that my my ask is just to to bring it we pass it here today on
first reading and then bring it back on August the 6th which she'll be she'll be on board obviously she she's watching the the council meeting seeing what we're doing and then she's got any any ideas we can we can we can I'd rather let's just table it until then. Let's
just table it until August 6th which is the first meeting there. I would rather table this to the first meeting in August gives her time if she does recommend any changes or she right says I don't need it as a tool then we can do
the first reading with her input and the second reading would be in in August as well August 20th yeah right we'll still be before October 1st mayor just to uh the timeline on that might be tough Right. Because she'll start on the
4th, the agenda will already be out. Yeah. That for that we just said that she's watching it. So how I don't understand that's any different than what we were just how is tableabling it to that but reading it now and then second reading then any different? I'm saying the August 4th date is or the
August 6th date is tough. Are you not anticipating her to be here at this meeting? Then let's do August 20th. There you go. That gives her two three weeks. Yeah. There you go. Well, okay. I'll move to table this to August 20th 7 p.m.
meeting. The problem is, are we going to be running into getting it done? So, we've got no issues with the October. I mean, for budget revenue purposes. Well, and not only that, but just the the
we we need to roll if we're going to roll it out, we need to roll it out. the renewal the renewal requests for if it stays. Yeah, typically that happens now. So, we pause that for for just pause it. Just pause the renewals for now. Um, in
regards to the budget, um, we're having a workshop starting next week. Set the millillage. We'll be back. I hope we don't come back to September. We may have some other workshops pertaining to other issues, but we'll have September to clear it up. Any changes will be
reflected in the final budget in September. Yes. So this works out the timeline works perfect then. Yes. That's budgetarily now that. Yeah. Understood. Perfect. All right. Well, I have a motion for August 20th at the 7 p.m. meeting. Second. Got a motion by
Commissioner that's to table it. August 20th. Yeah. Got a motion by Commissioner Neesa, second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. Ordinance number 3116. Ordinance number 3116.
An ordinance of the city council of the city of Aapcoa, Florida, amending chapter 54, retirement systems by amending article 4, police officers retirement system sections 54 through 127 vesting, providing for codification,
providing for severability, providing for conflicts, and setting an effective date. Commissioner, mayor, commissioners, good evening. Um, back in April, we amended the police retirement to allow the police chief to opt out of the retirement system if they so choose in
the future to um, go into an investment plan. Um, what we didn't think of at that time was um, if they come from internally, they are contributing to the retirement system. And the way the language is currently written is they
have to sever their ties with the city to get that money that they're currently contributing to the retirement system back. This allows the police chief if they choose with and make the determination within 30 days of becoming the chief to go into the investment plan
to get their uh contribution back immediately. So they can either invest it in the investment plan or they can take it or they can split it however they want to do. But it gives them an opportunity to immediately get their um money that they are currently contributing to the retirement system so
it can be handled through the investment or whatever they choose. Um otherwise you have to wait until they're terminated. It stays in there or until they not terminated but until they sever their employment with the city. So this just cleans that up a little bit and gives the um future police chiefs an option.
Any questions for the chief? Anybody from the public wish to speak on this one? Not close public hearing. Look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3116 at first reading and hold over for a second reading and adoption. So moved. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Vasquez. All those in favor? Oppos? Motion
carries unanimously. Thank you. Next up, resolution 2025-24. Resolution 2025-24. A resolution of the city council of the city of Aapa, Florida, amending the budget for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024 and ending September 30th, 2025,
providing for a budget amendment. Thank you, Susan. Bland, chairman, finance director. Again, resolution 2025-24, amendment number 11 in the amount of 2.5 million. This is pertaining to the grant that we brought before you and you approved at the previous council
meeting. We now have a fully executed agreement in the amount of 2.5 million with no match requirement. This is pertaining to Border Lake, um Lake Cortez, Pedmont Lake, and Lake Page. The hit the flooding and the impact of the um the roadways and businesses and
restaurants um residents, I'm sorry, um during um severe storms. The grant includes replacing uh pump having a pump stations constructing a pump station intake pipes and discharge lines at each
lake within the project area. Any questions for Blanch? I just have a couple questions and I asked I think most of these during my agenda review. The it was last week I had requested the uh application of this grant. Correct. And you had educated me
yesterday that it was this is an application. And it's a a portionment. A a portionment. Yes. Okay. And that was from 2023, correct? It was from 2023. We started this in 2023. Yes. Okay. And so that's what this is finally just shoring up for that then. Mhm. Okay. Now, when
we applied for that, was that specific to or when this discussion came into play spec it was going to be specific to this project or was it somewhat of an ambiguous? It can be applied to anything that has to do within the uh Wakava Springs region aquafer recharge and flood protection project.
Can it be any of those like anything within that area? We can do anything within the scope of the grant which is as I understand it as I just mentioned it pertains to these border lake Cortez Pedmont Lake but the grant specifically says is to design and construct pump
stations intake pipes and discharge lines at each of the lakes. So it has to be but we got this in or we applied or it was a portioned in 2023 that plan didn't come to fruition or even come into play until this year. You said from
2023 and why we just now finalizing their grant agreement. Not so much that. But how did they know that this was going to be the plan when that plan came into place this year? I think we've always had issues with Border Lake as I understand it even before I even came on. But the the pumping from lake to lake to
lake that just came into play. Well, we had to develop a work plan. Okay. That that there's two different things. That's the shortterm solution is the pumping from lake to lake to lake. Okay. What this is is the long-term solution. Yeah. This is the long-term solution. The pumping that we're doing to reduce
it right now, that's under the 100k that was approved. This is the long-term solution. Okay. So then with this then does this include any ability to we're going to have to purchase property for
this site for the pumping station. Correct. I don't think we're purchasing any property. We just got to get the right to use. Yes. Yes. Yeah. The right to use. And we do we have those already? No. No. This is this is like I said we just got
the executed agreement. You approved it last council meeting. I'm incorporating the money in the budget now that we have all that so we can start this process. So no, I I completely understand that. It's just what I guess where's our next steps with this just to is the ball rolling on this that have done a kickoff
meeting. This is probably going to take about 18 months. We got to start the they got to develop the scope for the design and with step by step. So we won't see this finished until December of next year. Yeah, potentially. Vlad, do you mind? I I can give the timeline
that we we talked about in the kickoff meeting. Design permitting estimated three to six months. Uh construction bid awarding two to three additional months and then construction six to nine months with that 18month total estimate. And as Grant or as Blanch mentioned uh that was
provided in the scope as well along with estimated amounts the work plan. Okay. So it's still it looks like December of next year of 26. Yeah, potentially, you know, if we we get the design done, nothing stops us from doing
it quick. No, absolutely. Okay. No, I'm just trying to understand again to to help articulate this to residents when they're asking what that what it looks like in timeline. So, okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Anybody else? Any other questions for Blanch? Okay.
Albert McKim May 3603 Golden Gem Road. I see it said it will reduce the dependence of two drainage wells. Uh again, what does that really mean? because
we're speaking today about things and my guess is commissioners really have a limited knowledge on where this is going, where the water's going to go and what actually what it means. I don't have a clue and I'm reasonably well versed in these things.
I know for a fact that when you discharge into wells and it's not a well, it's a drainage well, you need you need uh paperwork from from St. Johns are from the Environmental Protection Agency say where is it we're actually going to pump this water to and how much
is it going to cost and if it necessitates the water coming through highways or under highways how long is it likely to take to get the permitting for that because I did suggest there was potentially another solution at the last
meeting uh and funnily enough some former fairly high-profile city residents and ex city employees contacted me and made some further suggestions and said that as far as they could see some of the plans that I was suggesting to the
city were really really good ideas and that I should push forward to to try and help with the city and make the suggestions. But again, we're limited to the knowledge that we're given by saying it's going to reduce the dependency on two drainage wells. That tells me
nothing. Okay. Sylvester Hall Rock Springs Race real quick. Um $2.5 million. Now I wish I can roll the tape back again when we had the news media here when we
had the flooding and all the hoopla was going on. One thing I pointed out is that we had Orange County engineer and we had the city engineer working together to try to come up with a solution.
And the mayor pointed out that this been going on since 2019. So since 2019 and we at 2025 now, now we got $2.5 million. We should have a concrete plan. And to Commissioner Nester point, what
he was trying to say, okay, on this grant, the grant supposed to be specific to tell you what it could be used for. And so if we didn't have if we don't have a solution to the problem,
how we know what to use it for? So now I guess we're going to put our heads together in a short period of time that we couldn't do from 2019 to 2025 and come up with a solution to the
problem. So, I would hope that there's some transparency to this. And the last time I asked, I asked the engineer that was here to get up and and explain to us or tell us what y'all had come up working
together what solution you had come up with. That wasn't done. You could go back and run the tape. That wasn't done. So, now we got 2 $2.5 million. The last thing that need to do is be wasted on something that don't work. And now the
community is back into the same place. When we have another rainstorm, we got another flood because we didn't do our due diligence on coming up with a permanent solution that would fix the problem now that we got the money. So may I ask
just like now you had the residents to come up and tell you you know give you some great ideas with the BTR you just act like you didn't hear that. So the advice that the citizens are coming up and giving you that that's the
strength of your community mayor. We as when we are moving forward it's the strength of the community. We have so much experience, so much talent out here in the community. If we don't use that to better our community, we turn a closed eye to better our community.
That's not leadership. That's not leadership. And see that you was talking about, you playing like you don't even hear me. You're looking down. You're reading something. I'm not even speaking. That's the respect that you give me. But I can tell you one thing, change will come. I hope that's the last time
you sit in that seat. Thank you. Anybody else? I have a question about So the Mr. Brooks, maybe this is for you. Mr. Vlad, this maybe this for you. It's part of our conversations yesterday. If you can just walk me through it so I
understand the plan completely here. If you can come up here just answer a couple questions for me. Thank you. The we're going to create basically like an on-site it's not a waste water, it's a storm water treatment plant effectively. Correct. Is that the correct term? It's
going to be a pump station that will pump the storm water into the Sunshine Water pipeline that goes to the wastewater treatment plant on Cleveland. Yes. So, it's not going to be connected to the wastewater system. It will go directly into the
ground storage tank that stores the water for the reclaimed water. Okay. And then from there it will be further pumped into the public access back into for basically reclaimed use or irrigation things of that nature at Cleveland. Do we have the capacity to
take on that water now? Yes. Into the ground storage tanks. Yes. Now there's there to put water into that ground storage tank it the water needs to go through a process. That process will be done uh at the pumping station. Correct.
The filter system will be at the pumping station which is at Border Lake. Correct. So it'll all be on site there. Get introduced to the system clean. Correct. Effectively. Yes. Okay. And then walk through. We don't need to go through the calculations because you went deep with calculations yesterday,
but effectively that that pipe is 16 in. That's a 16inch pipe, correct? And remind me of the vendor that's already pumping in that. Uh typically with a 5 ft per second which is usually used for water models, you can pump about 4.5 million gallons a day. Okay. Through
that. And you said the current vendor is pumping about 2.9 2.9. That's in their agreement. Correct. So they can pump more than 2.9 and we we will need approximately with an 8 in connection maybe 1.1 million gallons a day. Okay. So ample
capacity already exists. Correct. The the caveat there though is that we wouldn't be able to be pumping at the same time that that that vendor and I can't think of their name right now. Uh Sunshine Watering. Sunshine Water. Thank you. Former Utilities Inc. Yes. They would have priority to pump. So if
they're pumping, we can't pump at that time. Correct. Yes. So the plan will be that we pump down the lake approximately 2 feet during the dry season just before the rainy season starts. So at that time we see almost no water coming from
sunshine water, right? Because they they have the same struggle. They have to use it for irrigation. Sure. So there so we're going to have a plan in place that'll pump water early, so to speak to be able to kind of get ahead of them pumping. It'll already be cleaned. It'll go into Cleveland ground storage tanks
and then be reintroduced to the system from there to to be sent out to our residents. Yes. Okay. And all the connections are already in place for all of that. It's just other than the 8 in pipe that'll come from Border Lake to the pump to correct the
16inch pipe. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions for either BL or Okay. All right. Um yeah, just just so we got been a while ago gate uh um we sent out a letter to the the different folks that
have an interest in the border lake flooding. And so just so you know, we've got a meeting I think next a week from Thursday with a week from tomorrow with um with um DOT to talk about, you know, their their their support of this project. Um we
still got to get with Orange County. I've got you know, a cursory letter from the mayor. They're looking into it. uh because we've got the way we what we've we've looked at is it's about a well whatever the number is uh we've got city
of Apopkco to be at 27.7% um of of whatever the the total cost is Orange County 47.5 Semino County uh 35% FDOT 8.7% come up to 100% but we go back
to I know everybody's talking about the why why hadn't we done anything before now. Well, just to so you know that in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, I went to Tallahassee to try to get money for this project. I finally got it in 2023. So,
as soon as we had Ian, which is the last big event we had, we needed we knew we had a problem and we needed this to resolve. It's taken me that long to get the funding from the state under a local appropriation. Um, so it it's not like we hadn't been thinking about it. I
mean, the county, you know, has gotten, you know, engaged here lately, which, you know, it's great. I'm glad they're finally engaged with us, but kind of been at this uh and even though we're less than we're almost a quarter of what the the uh the basin of uh
Mortar Lake and Lake Cortez. So, with that, you said you got a letter from Orange County Mayor, Mayor Demings. Yes. Are we able to get a copy of that? Sure. Okay. Thank you. If you can just circulate that, Mr. Williams. Thank you. All right. Looking for a motion to
approve the budget amendment uh 2025-24. So got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose. Motion carries. Thank you. Okay.
Mr. Smith, why don't you start us out? All right. Um, first of all, I'd like for us to uh send our condolences to one of our city employees, Mr. Tim Ford. Uh, his mother passed this week. Uh, so we're going to send our condolences to
that family. And um and then in reference to the to the schools uh when we talk about the overcrowding um I've been kind of keeping up with that and uh Orange County has hired a
consultant to go out to recruit students to come back to the schools because they school enrollment is at an all-time low and so they're going to be laying off teachers and other personnel as a result of that. So our schools are not going to
be overcrowded. Uh principles have been asked to reduce their budgets for this upcoming school year as a result of that. Uh so just want to be aware of that and and part of this because of the the ability for parents now to get
grants money to either send their kids to private schools or to homeschool them. And so school enrollment is dropping drastically. And so the overcrowding is not as what it appeared to be in the past. That's all I have here. Okay. Commissioner Nesa.
Sure. Uh first off, I just want to state uh you know my office hours. Um actually I need to postpone them for tomorrow uh due to I was unaware that the city hall was going to be closed um
I guess for Fourth of July in in recognition of that. Um I just wasn't sure which was unaware of which federal holidays we were recognizing not recognizing to close uh city hall Junth I I thought that we were going to close city hall and so I cancelceled my office hour postpone my office hours and
realized that we weren't. So I just want to get on the same page of which holidays we are recognizing and not to close city hall from. Um, but I will be resuming my uh office hours next week, July 10th, from 11:00 am to 1 pm here at city hall. Again, if anybody's
uncomfortable coming to city hall itself, um, I'm happy to meet anywhere and and many have taken me up on that as well recently. So, happy to to meet there, but excited for office hours. They've been very, very successful recently. Um, the next one, I mean, this just came up today, is that mayor, you made a comment that people are sitting
down during the um pledge of allegiance or or what have you, and it's not our purview as a council to take an opinion on some of these constitutional rights. So, uh, want to make sure that you're aware of that and that it's not my people, your people, they're all our
people. We represent everybody in this this room and in this city. So, want to make sure you're aware of that. And um my final item here is is it's clear once I saw the agenda that I was not put on the agenda to uh present a policy specific to the minutes. Uh mayor, you'd
give me your word that I would be on the minutes or on the agenda um and agreed to it and not on there. So you give me your word what I don't understand why I can't why why it wasn't on the put on the agenda.
Okay. Well, we will get you on the next agenda. So, July 16th. Yep. At 20 2025, 7 p.m. I'll be on the agenda. You betcha. Excellent. Well, that's all I have. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Velasquez. Well, we have a couple of um events going on this weekend. We have the
Fourth of July over at the amphitheater. But I also want to make a comment and that is that uh just recently I I went to a meeting that I was in inviting to and I I I know that Commissioner Nester also went uh attended and that was with
the farm workers and my understanding was that they did invite each of us to the uh meeting. I didn't get you didn't get I didn't get an invite. No. Okay. Um we went because um they wanted us to hear some of the challenges they're
facing. There was a lot of uncertainty. Uh where Deputy Chief Quinn Henry did an excellent job. She came with Captain King and Lieutenant Torres Torres. Um and I think that we were able to provide them and give them some assurance um of
what they were looking for. And um the one thing I would like to see is for us as a city to support our Spanish community. Um I remember I made a post and I saw you had responded saying that you had an honor of going to the
Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and that they were excited to come to the city of Apacha. And I thought that was interesting because from the meeting that we had at the farm workers with some of the business uh representatives that actually are having that are being
affected by what's going on with the uh migrant and immigration issues is that their their businesses are suffering. And so, um, I'd like to hear a feedback of how the Hispanic
Chamber of Commerce is excited to come into our city. How did you sell our city? I I didn't. They just there was a new business that they want to do a ribbon cutting. They called me said, "Would you mind coming?" And so, it's right down here. They do safety equipment for like construction
sites. And they invited me, you know, warm welcome uh as the mayor of Akin. So was happy to bring them h have them you know set up shop right here in a pop. Um I like to see us kind of be more supportive of our farm workers and whole
community because a lot of them have businesses already here. I actually went into uh uh the internet and said how many Hispanic businesses do we have in the city of Apaka? It had a pile of 146 businesses which whe whether they're
small businesses, restaurants, supermarkets, um, and I can tell you from the feedback that I get from a lot of the Hispanics here in our community is that they do not feel welcomed by our community. They don't feel that we as city leaders are
doing enough to embrace them or to kind of just assure them that they are part of our community. So, I'm just giving you a feedback of what was said at the bomb workers, the whole community, and it's not the first time that I've heard it personally. Um,
but they just kind of feel uh neglected by us, Mr. Anderson. So, I guess I'll just kind of uh I guess I wasn't invited. So, um to the I guess the farm workers community, they had some type of form. Um, but definitely, uh, I do support the
community. If they have any other events, um, to show my support, if they would send me an invitation, I definitely would attend. So, I can't support something that I wasn't invited to. So, yeah, I didn't receive I didn't I I didn't receive an invitation. So, absolutely, if they invite me and if I'm able to attend, I'll definitely go and
support. So, that's all. Okay. Nothing. That's it. Thank you. Commission, you good? I'm good. Okay. All right. Happy 4th of July. Uh Bradley, I'll try and be brief. I should have
should have moved this up during the public works uh reorganization conversation, but we do have our new uh transportation coordinator here with us today, Mr. Bill Wharton. So, I'll let him come up real quick, just give a brief introduction if he'd like kind of a little bit of his background and welcome him to the team.
I just want to say I learned about him on social media. So, welcome to Abaka. Thank you very much. Good to see you again, mayor. Excuse me, and commissioners. Um, it's a pleasure to be here and after
watching this service this morning on for the employees, it's kind of nice to know they've been here for so long for some reason. So, I'm happy to come here and join that. Um, a little bit of background. I've worked in transportation planning out of college
and from there went into city planning and I've kind of bounced back and forth between the two. Um just recently left uh Semino County doing similar work up there. Um and I more or less stumbled across the ad for the transportation
coordinator went you know that sounds so good. It's part of part of city planning and part of the transportation part two. It was like two of my favorite things. I really got to look into this. So, I really appreciate the staff and your and your confidence in me and I'm happy to
be here and contribute whatever I can. Glad to have you on board. Thank you, sir. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Yes. That it got two more. Okay. Uh just wanted to uh bring back up the
mountain bike park. uh proposal we spoke of earlier in the year at next uh next week's uh budget workshops. You will see as part of the recreation impact fee budget some funding requested uh in our uh for the mountain bike park development. Along with it with that at
the prior discussion uh there was talk about the Ridge Self Storage LLC property up on the map there approximately 12.25 acres a potential land swap. Uh the city does have a property uh very close by 8.03 acres
highlighted on the map there as well. Just want to make sure uh and and see if I have uh council direction to go ahead and get um some appraisals done to get the values and begin the process of they are interested in a land swap. I think
the uh addition of that parcel with what we currently have uh would create a very large regional uh mountain bike park. Uh they are also uh would be open to uh further discussions about how they could participate in the development of this
park whether it be through uh assisting with uh a parking connection um possibly some impact fee uh uh credits uh to do some work for us. So, they're they're an interesting willing partner. Um, I want to make sure that
I've got the blessing to go ahead and get those appraisals done and then bring back that information for council for further council direction on whether a land swap would be something the council would be interested in. Wasn't this brought up before? Yeah, earlier in the year, we brought a prelim preliminary
overview of what of a mountain bike park concept. So when you say there's an organization or No, the ridge the the developer of the ridge owns that parcel that's highlighted
in red. The city of Apakka owns the parcel to the to the west. Okay. the discussion at that meeting when we talked about the overall concept plan of this mount potential mountain bike park. We showed some options to
incorporate that property into the mountain bike park. Uh whether that's through purchasing the property or the developer would be open and interested in a land swap opportunity in order to make sure we have the values right. I would want to get an appraisal of the
properties to to make sure I can bring that back to you and give you that information. I have two questions on this. The are you able to provide to us the future land use for both of these and what type of densities both sites can currently get? Absolutely. And then in addition to
that, what type of appraisal are you going to be ordering? I would work through our community development department to see what's appropriate for this type of land swap. Okay. So in this area historically the site to the south of the city of Apakka owned part of that 8 acres. We've got we
had an appraisal on that. It was well below market by millions. So I want to make sure if we're doing this that we're getting the most accurate form of an appraisal done. Correct. And I'll work closely with Bobby and his team to make sure we're getting the right valuation appraisal done. Okay. To bring back to you.
And so are we are we looking to actually for to in the budget have another bike park? Is that a needed need in the budget right now? Are we trying to because I'm trying to understand why we're even
considering this. So the city the city uh gained ownership of that parcel. It says Orange County BCC right now, but to the very north of the ridge parcel. Um earlier in the year and at the time
there was discussion about it can't it's not really a developable piece of property. Um but it does have some topography for a mountain bike would fit well for a mountain bike type use. Um it does have some elevation change. Um we
brought forth uh the group Sorba uh bike group. remember that is at that meeting. It was a very conceptual plan and discussion was to bring it back during the budget season for this budget year to to see if there was appetite at that point to uh to do this. So again, before
moving forward with getting appraisals completed to even explore the possibility of a purchase or a land swap, I wanted to make sure we still had direction, solid direction to go with that. And again, can you just remind me how did we leave it the last time? We
left it as I would come back around this budget season time frame because there's going to be we're going to need a little bit of funding to develop the park if that's the way we go. Do you have an idea about how much funding we'll need to develop the park? Uh uh I don't remember off top of head how much we put
into the rec impact fee budget. Um but that'll be brought forth at the at the meeting and it's in the budget book. I guess I could look it up real quick. Yeah, I think if I remember correctly, I think it was somewhere around the 300 $350,000
range is what we put in for development. Yeah. And the and the Sorba is still interested in partnering on a project like this and 500,000 500,000 if you remember. Okay. 500,000.
Okay. Yeah. If you remember uh during remember back to that meeting, they they're a totally volunteer group. They've done park properties like this before. They have volunteers that are interested in blazing trails, developing trails. A lot of times they just need
the material to do it. Um they're not opposed to going and raising that donations for those materials. But obviously to speed the process up along, if we help provide some of that, that'll move the process faster. I my recommendation is is that if we're
not sure if we're going to actually allocate funds in this budget for it to approve it, then we probably shouldn't be spending money on appraisals because they do cost a couple thousand dollars to do each like a lot depending on. So that's why I wanted to come back before doing that. Um we can wait until after
the budget. I think maybe the budget workshops next week. I will just let you know I did speak with the developer earlier in the week uh about this project. They're still very interested, but they don't want to wait too much longer um because they do want to
develop a storage area. I think it's a storage mini storage facility. But I mean, I can certainly if you want to wait to the budget presentations next week, um we can certainly do that. And and in that meantime, I can get with Bobby's team and and get some cost on
what an appraisal might run if you prefer. Okay, everybody. Good. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I got to take out the paperwork. Uh, last thing I wanted to just provide a quick little update on the Emerson Park project. Uh, the sidewalk repair uh
will be completed by July 18th and the asphalt repairs are beginning on July 28th. So, the contractor is moving along pretty well on that. Um, just wanted to give you that update. Andrew. Yes. Thank you. Uh just as to the the question um proposed earlier uh
regarding grant committee members and ethics training um 1123 I had I had a chance to look at that um 1123142 is the the statute that that governs the ethics training and that would not be applicable to appointed grant members under the circumstances and and having looked at the board's responsibilities
and so forth. um if there's a need for ethics training to distinguish and especially because of the difference between appointees and elected officials and some of the the differing um requirements, we provide training to to all the boards and would be would be happy to if that's necessary. Um other
than that, I just want to wish happy 4th to you all and the citizens of Apakka. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Okay, last um couple things you everybody I've got a small stack of co postcards for you that's um I thought well we wanted to talk about are you
know the the uh the visioning. So it's kind of on one side's our visioning and then also the other side is the programming we've got coming up at all of our athletic programming and the amphitheater. So just we're going to be giving those out uh on the 4th out at
the amphitheater. Uh we will have them around around town as well. So, be sure that uh you you hand those out to, you know, people that are interested in e either either side of the card. Um let's see. Uh just to let everybody
know, we we we we survived the governor's veto and we got a million57,500 for the Apopka replacement of the asbesus cement drinking water pipes. So, um, so we're we're moving along trying to get want obviously want to complete
all getting, uh, removing all of the asbestous pipes along with all the old galvanized pipes. Um, the sooner we can get that done, the better. Um, next up, the border lake pumping update. Everybody's got a sheet which has got
your your lake levels um on the all the lakes which are border, Jackson, McDade, Pedmont, Blue, and Paige. And uh we're all we're down within about a half a foot of the the target elevation, which is the lowest that St. John's wants us
to to go to. And just as a as a another point of reference, uh we've we've removed 6.8 million gallons of water out of um this those four lakes. So or five lakes. So just which I think's
pretty spectacular. We'll probably we'll be shutting down the pumps tomorrow uh because it you know you need to be around watching making sure that they all work in coordination and you've got where we've shut them down because of some being uh over uh Lake Blue Lake
being too high. So we have to have to monitor them. I said, "Well, let's shut them down tomorrow and then we'll we'll revisit. Hopefully don't get a lot of rain over there." But, uh, we'll revisit on Monday morning as to where we about re restarting pumping. Um, budget
workshop reminder. So, it's the July 7th, 8th, and 9th. So, 5:00 pm right here. Um, we'll also at 700 p.m. on July 9th, we'll we'll set the millage rate. So, for everybody that's has an interest in the budget, next week, 7th, 8th
tonight, will residents have access to the to the information online because I know that was a a concern last year, some frustrations of just not having access. Yeah, we're working on getting that finalized to get posted uh tomorrow, I believe, is the plan. Okay. And then that's this day off. This is
your book that's got all of your all the details on the budget that we'll be we'll be discussing next week. And then uh last we're you know July 4th we're gonna have a big big um big celebration out at the amphitheater. Come on out. Got a great band great fireworks at
9:00. So hope to see everybody out there. And with that, Part: 2
morning. We'll call the July 2nd, 2025 DRC meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Community development is present. Police Department Mike McKinn public works. Vladimir Simonovski, city engineer, present. Fire department. Chairman Olderfield. and
building John Hansen. All right, I'm going to jump over to the podium. First item is Wild Oaks lot six replat. Jane Sanchez is the project manager. I'm sitting in for her today on that one. This is a replat of lot six of Wild Oaks. It's 54 lots and I will download
the attachment that way. You can see the plat. As you can see, it's replat. Shows the 54 single family lots. I believe the applicant is in attendance. You did receive comments from the DRC. Do you have any questions or comments for DRC? Okay.
Uh yes, good morning. Just making sure we did receive planning and zoning comments. Um transportation planning and public services comments were not received. I'm assuming that there might be some forthcoming. Is that correct? Or can we go ahead and resubmit now? Yes, we can. We will have that by the end of
the day today. Okay. Yes. Thank you. No other questions. Okay. Does anybody have any questions or comments for the applicant? Okay. And I just want to let the DRC know that the uh platting requirements have changed. Uh governor signed into
law. Platting is only going to be administratively approved. Uh so that would be basically there'll be a resolution crafted that would give that authority to the city manager and the designate. So they won't have to go to planning commission and city council anymore per state statute that's been signed by the governor.
Uh with that we'll go around the DRC. Any further uh community development has nothing further. Police I don't have anything. Thank you. Public works. Uh not to conditioner. Okay. Fire. No comments. Thank you. And building? I don't have anything. Thank you. Okay.
The next item is a popped up pickle and air is the project manager. Good morning everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Good morning everyone. Um this is a resubmitt for a proposal for um three
pickle ball courts and then a ticket office restrooms and uh then um street parking um on the on the uh third fourth street and um planning and zoning had minor comments but uh applicant is in
attendance for further comments and questions. Okay. Can you move this down to the site right here? Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I can turn it right here. I'm good. I just wanted to in their initial submission they had a road going
next to the railroad tracks that didn't exist. I just wanted to make sure it was taken out of there and it is all back. Yeah. Um, you said funding is only have minor comments. We were surprised that we got something late from public services. Yes. Yes. So, in the red, I
talked to Dale this morning actually about the if we can move to the next page. I think the next page is the train, right? Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Um, I saw your email uh yesterday.
This has been two months, Vladimir. We spoke right here at this two months ago. Nothing followed up. Nothing was followed up. I I understand. So So here's the solution to this. Um Dale was looking into making a connection to that inlet on the
southwest corner. Right. There is a 12in water man and a 6-in gas line in front of it. So that's going to be a little difficult cuz that that structure is pretty shallow there. Mhm. What we would suggest is you can keep the design as it
is. You're going to have a swell. We just don't want any runoff to go over the sidewalk and directly into the road there as an overflow. If you can put a structure just a small structure, let's say just
north of that spillway that you have. Is that a concrete spillway? I can't see it. It's a grass geog grid. It's a grass geog grid. Okay. Yeah. If you can put like right after that, there's only a 12 inch water mane in that area there. There we don't show any other utilities.
And then if that uh sidewalk is actually the those parallel parkings are curb, you can put two 4 inch pipes going into the curb there. So that way nothing overflows into the over the sidewalk and
you can keep it directly to the road. All right. I know there's going to be a little bit of maintenance down the road, but that would be the safe way to do it. Two 4 inch. Yes. All right. Two 4 in. I think we'll do it. It's very similar to
the parking lot over next to house speed. Okay, we can do that. Yeah, I think that will avoid all the conflicts because that pipe is going to be more shallow than the water man. You can probably go above that. I think that will be a reasonable solution. All right. Um, he has some
questions about the parking. I mean, the parking is dimensioned. I don't know. Uh, the parking has dimensions. It's 22 by 8, I think, right? Yes. That's good. Yeah, that's should be good. Yes. Do we have sufficient parking for this? There is no parking requirement. That's correct. There's no parking requirement
in the downtown for this. So, where are they going to park? On the city street parking that's in the land. I see as I'm reading this and you know, I don't read them all correctly, but I see three spaces, right? There's no parking requirements in the land development code for this use in the mixeduse
downtown. So yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll move the meter. Yeah. So right any other questions that you may have that we have addressed just give us a call or just you know okay you can call Dale and we'll try to resolve it as all right
even today. Um okay. Okay. Well, Geotech, for example, we're trying to that's why we did the storm water statement to explain all this. Yeah. So, you don't have a S. John's permit on this, right? You're going to do a self certification. 8,991 square feet. Okay, that's fine. But the
self-certification, if you can upload that to the We can do that. The open gap. Yeah, that will be sufficient. The 102. Yeah. Okay. um the landscape. He wants irrigation for
three uh we're proposing three oaks once they're established. They won't need water. There's no landscape requirement. Bob, is there a landscape requirement on this property? What they provided is
sufficient. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so how many you have? Three trees you have, right? And some grass area, right? We're still waiting for a determination
from Bobby, I guess, on the fence. But yeah. Yeah. And that's a security exemption plan that's still under review. Uh the code allows the director or their designate. We don't have community development director right now. So I'd be in that role uh to make the determination whether fence meets
can exceed requirements for a security exemption plan. This property is adjacent to the railroad. So there is some of those issues into play that would go and factor into the decision on that fence. Are you going to have high fences around the courts themselves or the railroad is
asking for an 8 foot? Everything else will be six. Okay, that's my concern is that things traveling onto the railroad. Is it any type of fence because this is going to be a recreational facility? I mean, in a fairly visible area downtown. Do we need to put maybe decorative fence
there? The code requires decorative fencing. Doesn't allow chain clean. Okay. The issue is the pickle ball. Yeah, I know this is an unusual project, but that's the whole point of doing it the
way we have is cost. It's just not This is like a passion project for someone. Okay. So, you're still Okay. You want the answer on the irrigation, right? Yeah. Um,
let me see. Let Let me discuss with D and see what we can do about this. Uh, okay. 30 days of watering a tree they establish, you know, if you properly water it. Yeah. But also, you have the grass area that really is a highly visible area in
this. But also canopy could create shade conditions that Yeah. I mean, this there's all kinds of pros and cons, but until the trees reach their full canopy, it's still going to be a necessity. It's part of, you know, what the city's looking at to expand and and
make better the downtown area. And I think it's important that it it in my opinion that it be watered so that it looks appropriate and things are maintained and things don't die. Uh because then now we're moving into code enforcement issues. From that standpoint, the perimeter fence is all
around the property line. No one will ever see in, at least not for the detail of seeing. It depends on what type of fence you put up. Yes, but like I said, you know, it has to be able to contain a pickle ball,
which is 2 in in diameter, right? But a slotted fence is still going to allow people to see in there. I just think that we need to stick to what the regulations are. Make sure that the property looks as nice as it can look. Yeah. The grass would have to be
irrigated as well. Vladimir said, that's what he's saying now. The grass around the pond um and everywhere else. So that's I'm reading down there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. just and I know
that doesn't need as much irrigation as all this other Yeah, I have that on my house. May look a little dingy in the winter, but man, it's green right now. Yeah. One rain and it's Yeah. Yeah. through our dry areas, it's going to look really rough.
Mine. Yeah. How much of the area is solded? everything that's not you said the whole the total less than 9,000 square feet I mean the total oh yeah not even what do you estimate the cost
to be for irrigation if you just it's a minimal facade I guess it wouldn't be so bad to me it's irrelevant if you allow a waiver here then you're going to allow a waiver to everybody else that comes in here not wanting to sprinkler their St.
Augustine bea zoyo whatever it's you know that's what the code says and we need to make sure that the city especially the downtown part is looks as nice as we can possibly make it and I think that we stick to what the plans say it needs to be so we don't have to
have anybody else come in here and say that you know we gave the pickle ball court they didn't have to put in sprinkler systems so nobody else in the downtown area has to I understand they want to stick to code, but to say it's going to be third is highly unlikely.
Well, I'm also considering precedent that would be setting um the code is a code. We need to stick to the code. All right. And that's just my opinion, but there's four other members here. Yeah, I agree with I agree with Chief on that.
Okay, I think that was it. Okay. Uh, any additional questions for the optimum hearing? None. Community development has nothing for the police. I don't have anything else. Thank you. Public works. No additional comments. Fired. No comments. Thank you. Building. I don't
have anything else. Thanks. Next item is 357 West 4th Street. Amir's project manager. Good morning everyone. So um this is a um proposal for a around 20,000 square ft warehouse office. Um the feature land
use is uh industrial and uh zoning is industrial light. This is the site site plan and uh applicant is available for comments and questions along with staff. Mr. Cooper, uh any questions or comments
for city staff? According to item number five, you guys want a 10-in water man. Is that correct, Jeremy? Yes, sir. Is it you're only going across the street. You're only going 60 or 70 ft. Is that what you want? It says the
the comment says we have to loop it. Okay. I'll take the 10 inch across the street, but it's going into my back flop runner and I'm going to reduce that down to the 6 in. I mean, why why are we doing that? I
mean, you know, somebody's got to come up with some common sense here and let me know why we're going from a six to a 10 inch line when the amount of pressure is there and the amount of water's there. I mean, is it just to spend money far as lines inside your property? Is
there any hydrants inside the actual parking lot at all that I recall? Can we zoom this in so I can see this a little bit better? Let me right there. Yeah. Where where it's You got to go to utilities. Yeah,
I think it's set. Yeah, there we go. There we go. right here. Utility. So, you know, just let me know what you want me to do. You know, I don't mind going across the street with a 10-in line, but
I mean, you're going from 10 inch to 6. Speak up, Jeremy, so I can hear you, please. So, you're going from a 10 inch to a 6 inch and then right into your riser. I mean, I I don't see I guess we could go from 6
inch across. I'm glad you see Yeah, let me let me double check that. We sure that's a 6 inch line on the south side. You got a 12 inch line on the south side. That's your main feeder. Goes all the way up four street.
Okay, I think I got Just bear with me for a second. This is on four street over by cross. Yeah, that's a 12 inch PVC on the south side. That's that's the only line actually you have there. That
is correct. It's the only line. So what is the you said that there's going to be a connection to the 6 in. Yeah, that's on the back flow inside the that's a black flow. We can come across the road with a 10 in, but then you're going to reduce it down to a 6 in backflow system. So So you're looking to go from
the 10 in to a 6 in across the street is what you're looking to do instead of going from 10 in. He's looking to go from 12. Yeah. And your hydrate lines running off I I that's what I'm not seeing. Is your hydrant that's on property running off
of that 6 inch line or is it going to be coming from your hydrant on the I guess the east side? Is that what that would be? Or the west side of it. Looks like it's right over there. So you're going to go from a 6 in hydrant is what you're telling me that you're trying to run it to inside that
property. Being it's a commercial structure. I would prefer that to be an 8 inch line going to your hydrant, but I mean that's my thought on it. I would hate to go from down to a 6 in line inside that commercial property dealing with a
warehouse. Wouldn't we want to have an 8 in at minimal on that hydrant? Well, I don't think it's serving you any purpose there. You know, if you go from a six to an eight, your pressures are your pressures with the amount of volume. We've never We've never done
anything like that before. And you only got a 6 in going to your riser. She was talking about right here. This is a 6 in. Yes, sir. Your 12 in over here. Okay. That's I'm asking you that
question. That has to be 10 across. What is the one here? 6 inch. He's basically wanting to eliminate this and be 6 inch from this 12 inch to a 6 inch reduction going to the building into your back blow and save this the
time and probably material to go across in the 10 in I don't know that I before the backflow side of it I'm in question of it I'd have to regardless of the fact that
shows all six once it gets to the site. Yeah, that's what we're looking at. The hydra is what I was looking at. Yeah. But going bigger on the line, it's not going to give it more pressure. You follow me? Actually, the smaller the pipe, the more
pressure you give less volume. The volume is what's important. Pressure is the pressure, but the volume is what we need in water. So, that's what my concern was. I would prefer the 8 inch line going to my hydrant. Um that's what we do in most commercial lines commercial structures in the city anyways. Okay Mike let let us look more
into the calculations into the water calculation and see what kind of volume say I'm sorry the microphone yet um I said let's look at this we can take a look at these water calculations
uh probably today and we'll see if just let me know. Yes. Yeah. If that may my assumption is that was required for the volume, right? It's probably nothing to do with the pressure, but we need to see because of the size of the building. Okay. Well, look at your we gave you we gave you sheets on the pressure, so you
should have that. Yes. But, you know, it's just one thing, you know, the bigger the line ain't going to make any difference because the volume's going to be uh the same, but the bigger the line, it's going to it's not going to help you. It's going to hurt you. The smaller the line, the more the pressure.
But anyway, okay. Yes. Yeah. Cuz you're going to you're going to have two connections. Yes. And you only got a you only got a 6 in riser in the building and then it feeds off from a from a six
to a four throughout the system. I understand. I understand that. Mr. Cooper, let me let me review this. I'm pretty confident that I'm going to require an 8 in on your hydrant, but I let me look back on this and confirm it and I'll give you an answer.
Okay. Uh Jeremy on number seven, it says that uh uh FTC should be not connected to the potable water line. Have you got that in front of you? I He needs a slide to slide it one more time
for me if you can. Well, all all uh water lines come off of your 12-in firewall blind. Firewater and domestic water are the same. However, it is indirectly connected, but if you'll look at the drawing, you'll see where we came
off to the u domestic water off of the prior to coming into the backflow perimeter. So, we're ahead of the backflow vid, upstream of the backflow vendor with our tea that brings our potable water into the building. Can someone slide Can you slide that up
to seven so I can see what he's talking about? It's right there. It's Yeah, this see it's coming off the head of the back. Zoom in. Thank you. And that's the same as coming off of the
right off the line directly across the street. We're ahead of the backlo. Let me review this when I get out and I'll uh I'll make a decision on it. I'll give you an answer today. Okay.
And as far as number 12 goes, Vladimir, you want us to change our demand to 2.5. And you told us what to use. and I use that on Orange County manual and now
you're wanting to go with a mini code. What do we do here? Why, you know, why why are we You tell him one thing to do and I do it and then you change and want something else. And before the other individual
inspected the drawings, he was more interested in erus than he was anything else. This is number 12. Yes, sir. And then on number three of that same thing, it says the fireflow demand on
that FFD minimum 500 gpm. Okay, that's up to the fire department and also the city engineer. Well, we did everything that you wanted us to do. We provided the information and so on.
Number three, I'm sorry, Mike. Yeah, I think what they're asking for in the fireflow demands, he's looking for the fireflow demands added to the plan so we can review the actual flows of what we have. Um, we've added that's needed to be added to the plans. Is that
is that what you understood or what's the question you're asking on it? Well, I I don't have the sheet in front of me for what the pressures were, but we gave those pressures to you. You got the pressures that if I recall I think it was initially to be attached to
the set of plans and that's what we were asking for because they weren't originally on there. We discussed that. Correct. Yeah. Okay. That's what that comment came from. I'm pretty confident. But we was referencing too. Right. So yeah, those were attached and added on.
You're telling me I can't give you any more pressures or GPM than what you have in your system. I understand that. But the fire flows, the demand of the building of the structure should have been added from your sprinkler contractor or whoever you're using is going to add that with their plans. Correct. Yeah. Ordinarily,
when we do the design and engineering on the building itself, they would look into that as far as what you know what it really takes, what the building has to have. You're saying that the sprinkler contractors usually provide that with their plans. That's what I'm
getting at. and we're going to make sure that those are added on. I think that's what they are requesting. So I think in past that was something that was missed that's making sure we're adding now correct be on these plans or the construction should be in the construction plans I think is what that
was. I could be talking wrong on that but I think that's what I understood it as. You and I discussed that. Well, I can talk to Elite who's doing the fire system and see if the if the flow the 500 gpm
see if that's what they actually have or if they have if it's less than that you got a problem, right? Yes, sir. If it's more than that you or that you you're okay with it. We should be. Yes, sir. Okay. So, I'll have to get with the leak and let them they'll have to do the
design now to make sure that the flow is at 500. Okay. Is that correct? That is correct. Can you on this one here, can you wait until we uh submit the the building drawings? That's fine with me. I'm good with that.
Are you good? Is that okay with you, Vad? Yes. Yes. I'm trying to see. I think that was the intention, Mr. Cooper, was in past history not having that and we're making sure you understood that we're going to need that moving forward. I think that's
where that attention came from. Okay. And on number 15, he was talking about the elevation. I think that was just a nomenclature problem. They actually took the elevation from Hawthorne and Fourth Street and not from Bradshaw and Fourth
Street. Cuz Bradshaw and Fourth is way down the road. It's about a 40 or 50 foot differential between Hawthorne and Bradshaw. So that they just made a mistake there. It should have been 117 or like the drawings indicated, but
really about 116 right near a four street lift station cuz that's where the test was taken at. So just a and we'll we can change that if you want but cuz the 142 is up around Hawthorne and Fort
the 116 to 119 is at uh your lift station there. That's where the hydrant that they took is. That's where they took the flow at at hydron at fourth and Bradshaw. If you're ready, we go on to number 22.
Number 22. Okay. We'll show the the easement on the drawing. You just requested that we show a utility easement on the drawing. And that's on your drawings from 2013. You're on your utilities. Yes, this is for Well, we'll show it on
ours. We don't I just said we'll revise the drawing accordingly. Yeah, this is for the north side, right? Because that section of Third Street was vacated and we can do it. It ain't no big deal. We'll just revise the drawings and show it.
Okay. Okay. On number uh 23, I've got you a detail, we have dropped the the sanitary sewer. The top of your
30-in uh storm water line. The top of it is a 128. The bottom is 125687 and our line is going to be at one uh 12974 which gives us about 3 ft of coverage over the top cuz you were concerned
about the contours and the contours look to be right. So our line was uh should be dropped down to 3 ft and we'll adjust the drawings. Okay. So they'll be adjusted. But when you get down to the
the drainage, I don't know what to tell you. You know, Vladimir, you know, Val Taylor, I don't, you know, he don't know what to do. You know,
I mean, is this is this job permittable? Period. That's all there is to it. You know, in accordance to your comments. And another thing, what I put on my property, I shouldn't I'm holding my water on my
property. And according to the geoteex, it'll perk down. It'll be a detention pond. Perks down in 72 hours. And we got the 100 year. That's correct.
Now, there is a swale back there. Why should I be responsible? I'm not putting anything across that swale to stop the water flow. My retention pond and my retaining wall is on my
property. Yes. So, I mean, so the water drain, it's still going to drain. It's still going to drain. Well, that's what the engineer will have to prove that it's going to drain that way because really you can't block that flow. Wait, I don't
care. I don't care about anybody else. I'm I'm stop I'm not doing anything. But but see, you can't change the configuration cuz right now everything free flows from east to west. Okay, it does. It goes from 142 all the way down
to 119. Correct. So ultimately ends up on Mr. Bernard property and then there's some 36 inch pipe that is connected to the city system on bread. Mhm. Right. So right now for you putting the building in between and the parking lot and the
pond with the retaining wall around that that runoff coming from the east side from those few houses will be kind of stopped there at that point and it may may go back to those property. It needs to go. It needs to continue. That's why I said in the
original comments, somehow he needs to bypass your property and either reroute it through the swell and come around to get to the same point or you're going to have to do treatment for that. And I don't want you to do treatment for that. You can just bypass it going around your
property along the north side and coming down to uh to the western property of Mr. Brunach. All the water flows to the north and it's well it flows down into that swale that goes from Hawthorne all
the way down to Bradshaw. We haven't interrupted that by what we've done. We've just controlled our water. So our water is controlled onto our property and all the water that used to come from our property into that swale now comes
into our retention or detention pond and it does go. But we still have good flow for all the surrounding uh houses around there. There's not very many. There's only four. So, I mean, we're not stopping anything. And we've had major major rains. And
we've never had there's never been a problem on that ditch. It's never flooded. It's never ever gone down. It's poked into perks into the ground. And our water table's not bad there at all. Yes. So I think this is more of a of a technical issue that we need to probably maybe get on the phone with
your engineer or we can have another meeting at our office. All right. Do you see and we can go into more details and see what exactly the because I don't think that swell was or ditch was properly shown on some of the plans and it's not really clear how the runoff is
going to end up there and not being blocked by the new retaining wall for your pond. Well, do you think that our retaining system is creating a problem? Well, you right now you're pretty much blocking that runoff coming from the east side
because that retaining wall you're sitting your property sits lower than their properties, right? So, you're putting a retaining wall along the entire eastern boundary line, including the portion that has the pond at the very north side. So, you're
thinking that our retaining wall that's on our property is going to interfere with the flow of the water. Is that what you're saying? Yes. That's So, we have to prove to you that any
water not on our property, correct? Whatever was natural, all the other water will be go down a natural flow. Yes. It needs to follow the same pattern so it can go around the property. Okay. or but I think it is honestly it can't be treated at your property but again we don't want
to assume that because you're going to need a much longer I think we still have that same flow even though we're putting the retaining wall up but the retaining wall is in a couple of feet on to our property so I still think that we still have that that
valley it's just no water comes off our property it still comes off of the other properties and goes right down the valley and the survey actually shows shows the contours and on your original drawing from 2013
shows contours and your piping. So I'm I mean let me ask you a question. Do you think that we should have Mr. Taylor and yourself and myself get together? Yes. And have a meeting in all all these? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can address that. Okay. I'll see if
he'll do that. He's a very difficult guy to talk to. Imagine you owe that even though I'm paying you big bucks. He says you guys are just going crazy with what you want. So I told him I says I don't have a pro
I mean I got a problem. I got to get a project approved and every every month we go for another month. Well we can what is today? Wednesday. The city is closed tomorrow and we can we can get we
can recommend on this probably Monday or Tuesday. Okay. I'll call him today when I get back and see. And even if it's possible today, we can arrange something to have a discussion. I'll call you back today and talk to Martin. Yeah. Because the city is going to be closed tomorrow. I know. Friday. Yeah. And Friday. Yes.
If that's convenient for you and him. I guess we're going to have to do it because you know I don't know of I can I got all the other ones answered. It's just a drainage and some of the drainage is a ranch answer. But yeah, and I think we can resolve a lot of these comments with
having the discussion with him and you. Okay, I'll call him and I'll set it up as soon as we can. I think uh Okay, that's all I had. Okay. Anything? I ain't had it, nobody. I just want everybody to know that I
just I just need to get this project approved. And every time we turn around, it's another three or four weeks. I mean, we got to find a way to get this thing approved. And if we can't build it, you got to tell me I can't build it. I mean, if it's not possible. So, if we
got to do a little if we we fixed up Fourth Street and Hawthorne, that was a mess. But we've worked that out on our own with you, Vladimir. Yes. And we met over there. We worked that out because it was a mess. I cleaned out the whole ditch and everything. If I've got to
clean out a little ditch down there so we got a little more flow, then I'll do that. Mhm. You know, I'm not I'm not against doing anything to try to work these problems out. So, here here is what I would suggest, Bobby. If all the other comments are satisfied and we only
have the drainage and the fireflow remaining, uh, I think we can address this within a week or so and we can speed up the process for Mr. Cooper instead of waiting on the full cycle. Sounds like a
plan. We can we we can make it Yeah. make it a kind of work. Yeah. It's a very difficult site, but when you put in your 30 line, that really helped the whole situation honestly because the water used to flow from Hawthorne all the way down through this ditch we're
talking about. That ditch doesn't really exist. I mean, it exists, but it doesn't have much action anymore because you guys solved it when you put in 30in line. You took all the water that used to come off and you took it through a pipe down. Correct. It was reduced. So
it's still it still operates there, but it was reduced on the on the east side. Another thing, yeah, they're concerned about some trees growing through the geogrid instead of using any trees at all. Let's use Viberta when makes a nice hedge does
grow big too. It would have to meet the landscape requirements. Well, sometimes you have to vary from a landscape requirement because you're concerned and we're concerned. I understand that, but you're going to have to meet the landscape requirements that are based on Let us Yeah, let us take a look at it.
Still put the trees in and I'll do what the thing says. They want us to put the wall up first, then the pipe, and then the trees. We'll evaluate it on our end and and let you know. But I think what Vladimir is saying, we don't have to come back to DRC and satisfy the comments through planned public works
and fire. Yes. That way we can save you some time. Uh this is under the 25,000 square foot threshold I think your property is. So you don't have to go to city council planning commission. So once you sort out everything with public works and fire and you're approved and you can start construction. Okay. Well
everything basically everything was done with the exception of satisfying uh that right. Yes. On the storm board. Yeah. I think if we address those things we we don't have to go back to Okay. All right. Thank you sir. Thank you. All
right. Next item is Andage South construction site plan second submitt. Jean Sanchez is the project manager. She is out today. So I am uh standing in for her on this one and this is a rather large plan. It's going to take a while to
load. This is second submittal. The applicant is here in attendance. And Luke, do you have any questions or comments for the DRC? Good morning. I like the tone of the DRC so far. It's It's going good. Uh glad I got your
comments. Um I think Dale wrote a few. Can you move that down to the site plan? What I'm waiting on. Okay. Thank you. It's probably like 12 or 13 is the overall. It's probably easier down.
That one probably perfect. Yeah, it's 55 sheets, so it's probably larger. There we go. Okay. So, there's a couple questions. I don't know if you can see the whole side's kind of there. That's probably better. Um,
one of the comments was the off-site utility plans were not included in the set, but they're included, but they're labeled a little different. Um, normally in a site, you have one specific off-site connection. Technically, in this site, we have four different off-site connections. So, on our utility
plan sheets, the ones to the north show the off-site utilities on edge. The ones the off the utility plan to the west shows the connection to crossroads offsite. In addition, it shows the second connection to crossroads on the south west side. And then our utility
sheet called utility south shows all the utility extensions on uh FE drive. So they're there. We didn't label it offsite because there's four different offsite connections. But if you want the utility sheet called utility south is the one that shows Effie. I think that's
the one he's referring to. But it's kind of hard because there's four different off-site utility connections. I didn't want to kind of confuse things and okay lab but it's all shown in the utility plans but you have a separate plan for the F drive for E has its own sheet yeah it's called utilities over toage it's
called utility south and utility south it's on there but I'll we can I'll provide the sheet number and give that to I don't know if that was Don I think uh I think Dale was working on this okay it's just a little confusing like I said because there's four offsite utility
connections so it's yes technically Every utility shoot shows offsite utilities. Yeah. And the same thing like we talked to Mr. Cooper uh some of these technical issues. I think we can have a brief meeting maybe. Sure. Even over the phone or teams we
can go over particular because it's really hard when you see on a small screen here. Yeah. To depict what is what. Right. I think it's better when we have these teams meetings that we can point out to in the right direction and see what they're actually referring to. And I don't mind I'll take the
initiative and do a comments response to all to Dale's comments because he sent them over yesterday. That's fine. So, we got them, but I haven't been able to do a formal comments response letter, but I can do one specifically just for for Dale's comments and um send it over to
you, Dale, and D. Yes. And that way have you guys and and we can schedule a quick teams meeting. It's it's easy to see on for us on on Teams. You can jump around. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. The one of the questions was they wanted to see the off-site turn lanes. They're all shown on the plans. You can kind of see all
the improvements to onchan FE road are shown. We don't call out all the dimensions and stuff. There's a separate plan set that's being permitted through Orange County. Uh I think we're on our last round of review, so hopefully it gets permitted here shortly. Do you want us to provide that plan set for
reference purposes only? I don't I don't want to confuse things. What I what's what I've done in the past that causes problems is I'll put details for the offsite that is an Orange County plan on the city plans and that maybe the comments to Orange County change, but the contractors building off what's under these plans. So, I want to make
sure it's very clear that the off-site roadway improvements are done by the Orange County plans. The internal development stuff is done by city plans. So, we show it but just show it for reference purposes only. So, do you want me just to provide the the whole plan set for Orange County? Yes, I think it
would be good for us to have a record of it. Yeah. And you can make a note that basically on this road and every drive, they're both county roads maintained by the county and you providing a separate permit for Okay. We'll put it as a whole separate. It won't be part of the plan set. We'll just provide it as a whole
separate plan set with our resubmitt. Do you want them now or do you want them after the county has approved them so that we have the final version? The final version will be Okay. Yes. Yeah. Because I don't I agree with you. I don't want it there to be confusion if you're still in development or drawings
or whatever changes with the county that we have not a final approved set. I think once you get the final set, it would be beneficial for those be added to our documents and we have it once the county's approved all your changes. And I know typically they're required at the precon we have to give them. Um whether
it's DOT or Orange County, this should be the only I think ideally on these plans you will probably show all the work in the in the public right away that is not owned by the city and requires permit from a separate agency to maybe a different shade, different
color. Okay. Whatever is going we have it shown and then on the sheets we just call it out as offsite. We we have notes. It says um off-site roadway improvement shown for reference purposes only. Refer to Orange County app uh e- permit below whatever the number is for
for construction plans. Yeah, that's what I'm looking that it's on the plans already. So I I think we did it correctly, but um I I'll provide the plan or if it's okay, can we just provide the plans at precon? I think that's typically what we've done in the past, but because I mean really it doesn't the
county approval shouldn't really have anything to do with the city. It's just that the city wants to ensure that you have the offsite roadway plans before you go to construction, right? Is normally the way and we would like to have that concurrently. I can provide the current set, but so we don't end up at the last moment that the
county said maybe you can't do something and then you have to change pretty much. That's more common on the commercial sites, but yeah, on residential less likely, but it's always better to have them done concurrently so you have both permits at the same time. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, and that's what we're trying to do. It's it's I believe we're at a final point where we have it figured out, but we'll I guess where did we land on it? Am I providing the agreement, right, that once the county has approved them, they need to be downloaded into our system,
not before because we don't want a right pre-development one or, you know, one that you have to change once it's done. And the way I'm understanding you and I have I'm way outside of my scope of knowledge here is right you're not going to move on with construction until you have those plans anyways. Correct.
That's the way on the pre-construction list. It literally says off-site roadway improvements uh any offsite roadway permits by other agencies. So in in a two that I can think of would really be Orange County and FDOT. I don't think you have any Lake County road frontage.
So just as long as we have them as as our record before you go into construction. While we're on traffic real quick, um do you know the effects of what's going to happen at FE and Kelly Park with the proposed changes to Kelly Park? Is there going to be a red
light there in the future? And how does this site? There is there's um that intersection because that's a not a great intersection. Yeah, my understanding is there's two um lights going to be at Effie. There's one be at Effie and Kelly Park and one at Effie and Onitch. This
site is paying proportionate shares for some of that work. Um I don't think this site triggers from my understanding doesn't trigger the signal warrant or the signal construction, but it's paying its proportionate share for the impacts for those intersections. But when the improvements are done at Kelly Park Road, there is plans for a red light at
I think eventually. I think the current Kelly Park is already under design and it includes a traffic signal at FE. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But the one at Effie and on the north is not warranted yet, but it I think when the hospital will probably be the thing that probably triggers it.
When the hospital probably that's my guess hospital, I would assume because that's going to be right across your entrance on Effie. Right. Yeah, it's to the south uh east, I think, of of this site. How does that how does Onage North affect FE and it it's the same thing.
Onage North will pay its proportionate shares of uh the impacts to the intersection. I think when Andage North seven project, but when it did the traffic impact analysis, it accounted for onage south and onage north and crossroads and it still didn't quite s warrant the signal, but it basically
said, "Okay, well, you'll be contributing x number of trips to this intersection and therefore your your proportionate share is blank." I I don't know the number, but it's it's six figures plus. I don't Yeah, but I don't know the value of that. I can get that to you for for understand. No, I just I
want to make sure that we have future plans uh as that continues to grow because on South and on North I get their two separate but they're both dumping to that intersection. Correct. And they're both paying their their proportionate share values for the future on and FE intersection that will
be signalized. I don't know what again my my guess is it's the hospital will will actually be the thing that triggers the signal. I mean I think most of the traffic's going to go south towards Kelly Park Road. that that's why I'm more concerned about that light beam in place as they develop Kelly Park Road
and and do all the improvements there. And I think the Onage South has to pay a portion share for Kelly Park and and Effie, but Onage North doesn't. I I can double check that for you, but that's fine. I I mean, but yes, they are paying proportion shares and those the signal
being designed to Effie and Kelly Park and then the future signal. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, so do you know if Orange County has any plans right now for the onage and FE? I think right now they're saying it doesn't meet the signal warrant analysis criteria. Not yet.
That's what I was saying. I I believe I the only thing I think that'll drive more traffic at that intersection is really the hospital piece. Um, unless some something else happens from a commercial nature within the KPI along Effie. From what I see, I think the hospital piece is going to be the one
that triggers the actual construction of the signal. Okay. On any other development maybe on the north side of maybe, but that's restricted to u remember out the north side of is outside of the KPI. Uh and so you're going to have low density developments. It's all going to be
one dwelling unit per acre and lower. Uh and I think it might restrict. It's only small commercial based on the JPA agreement, but I I haven't looked into that too much because we haven't looked at any commercial on the north side. Okay. So, is the county now calculating this
pro share prop share for this particular property? Correct. For both. Yep. Okay. Yep. For this property, they have the prop share. They have a designated fun. It's in the TIA that was submitted. It has the actual prop share value. Like it's okay. I don't want to tell you a number and be wrong with it. Yeah,
that's fine. My memory was like 150,000 somewhere in that range for Andage South and a similar type number for Andish North. Okay. So, so apparently there is a by the county some point once the threshold is met,
right? And like I said, my major concern right now is EP and Kelly Park and is, you know, as we move into the EP and Kelly Park has already put a traffic sign, right? And so once they start that road that should be done. Um I don't know if it's going to be the hospital. Uh if you travel down FE, I think more and more of those properties are popping
up for sale. Yeah. So it may be a residential thing that triggers that before the hospital gets there. It all depends on, you know, obviously them selling their property and it becoming uh developed, but I think more and more those properties along Eure. So I Vlad, you can correct me if wrong.
I wasn't part of the triparty agreement, but is the crossroads triarty agreement. I know they're doing the west the Kelly Park improvements, but that the signal might be included in that agreement. I'm not 100% sure. Signal at Kelly Park is included. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah. So I I wasn't part of that, but I
know the tripart agreement, the city, the crossroads and wild oaks. No. Yeah. All all the agreement has the signal you're talking about. Yeah. They're part of the design. Yeah. Thank you. No problem. Um the third comment that I want to talk to
you about, Vlad, for was for roundabout designs. Um one of the comments that I think Dale made was he wanted refuge areas for pedestrians for the roundabout. Um we we went by the Florida DOT roundabout design standards. And so based on the width of the road, it's
only 24 feet. They don't recommend a refuge area. Um in addition, we matched the exact roundabout size for the crossroads development. which is to the um to the west and to the south of us. They have three different routes within the crossroads development and we're
matching the exact design. Um typically you don't see a pedestrian refuge island unless that intersection unless the road with has either high speeds or is much wider than 24 feet. So I know he's asking for a 6 foot by 10 foot refuge
area, but that's not normal for a 24 foot um roadway. Uh like on Bing Road we did refuge areas just because of the speeds and because um visibility is tough. So do we you have only one roundabout in this just that one roundabout right in the middle in the
center of the site that so that's going to connect some of the crossroads right traffic on that one um yeah it goes to Pette it it'll I think it'll be named Paul I'm not 100% sure but it connects to Pette on the east and it connects to
the crossroads on the west. Mhm. Um, but the DOT design regulations or design standards for roundabouts, it doesn't recommend a refuge island for this case based on the the speeds and the distance you're crossing. Again, you normally see
those. Okay. Okay. I I'll sit down with Dale. We'll take another look at this and uh maybe we need to jump on a quick call. We will Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we can talk about it, but I don't I'm not used to seeing refuge areas in something like this on an internal
development site. You would see that on much larger um roadway crossings where you're tra crossing multiple lanes. Um Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But like you said, this matches everything that's in the crossroads and we're trying to match DOT design standards and the crossroads
standards is what we're doing. Um he had some comments about storm water. I'm probably going to reach out separately about that. We already have our St. John's permit, but he had some questions about which like design storm, but I I believe we're matching what the city we're matching what city
requirements are and we're matching what St. John's are requires and we've already gotten the permit, but he's wanting to change it to the 484 instead of the 323 storm event, but we can kind of talk about that separately. Okay, we will. Okay. Um, and then he had comments
about he he wanted to see planted profile sheets. We I think there's 18 planned profile sheets. So, I don't know if they just didn't show up or he wasn't able to see them, but they're all there. Uh, in the it's towards the end of the plan set. I think it's C8.1 through C8.27.
So, there's there's probably I mean it's 27 28 sheets of plan profiles. So, I'm not sure if again maybe it didn't load. It's a larger file, but they should all be there. Yeah, we'll we'll take another look at it. You can you can always, you know, just include in your response.
I'll do a comments response. That might be the easiest thing. And then I think that does everything for Dale. And then Bobby, I know this is Jean, right? Who's out? Correct. Yeah, she's out. There were two things that I just wanted to Well, I guess real quick, Jeremy, I thank you for responding yesterday. I
think we addressed both your comments, so they should be both met um based on your email. Bobby, with Gan, there's two questions we kind of and it might be something we just wait for Gan. Um the phototrics plan, typically we don't do a photometrics plan for residential. Is
that something that's going to be required now? Yeah. And um you need to coordinate in regards to an MSBU as well on this that we we already coordinated with. I have the MSPU that we're coordinating on already. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We typically require photometrics.
Okay. I'm used to seeing lighting plans but not phototrics for residential, but they require photometrics now. Okay, that may be something the city wants to look at. Duke now has changed their standard. You can't do pre-esign. You can only do post design. Um, in in other
words, Duke won't even let you start doing pay them to start doing design until after you have your engineering approval or construction plan approval. Right? So, the problem that I see is that we're going to lay out a lighting plan and do a phototrics plan, but in reality, once you go to construction,
Duke's going to do their own plan and they don't care anything that we lay out. And so, it's kind of peruncter in my opinion because you're you're drawing it, but we know we're not going to be right. Whatever Duke lays out is what they're actually going to do. So, it's like you're you're doing a lot of effort for no reason. Um, if you want to
provide something from Duke that states that, yeah, we can evaluate that. Okay. I mean, we again, we can do a lighting plan. It's just I always feel silly doing it because it's like we'll we'll show the lighting, but ultimately Duke's the one who's going to change it because they don't really care what we think. They they do what they want. Um, just
don't forget my uh street lighting in the No, we already have that in all the alleys. I I have I I think I add it as a note and so we have it specifically as a requirement um for the private alleys. I think I see the roadway name. It says Mckenley Alley.
I could see that. And then there was something else she had asked for that I'm not used to seeing. Um her comment number 10, frontage types. It says must be declared and shown on plans with dimensional compliance. Ensure any porch forcourt or arcade design matches
specific specifications in section 5.1. I guess we just I don't know what that means. What does she want? It's in the code and it talks about the frontage types. uh her uh transact zone or character zone that you're in. So, um you might just want to reach out to her on that one. Okay. And just kind of get
specifics about what she wants us to show. Okay. I think that's it really for us. Um yeah, but I I'll I'll address Dale's comments that we received and then get back on that sort of set up a time for a meeting on that. Okay. Any
questions for the applicant? Hearing none. Community development has nothing further. Police. I don't have anything else. Thank you. public works. Uh, no additional comments. Buyer, no comments. Thank you. Building. All right. Everything. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Luke. Thank you. Any additional items for discussion?
We are ajourned.