--------- We will call the May 6th DRC meeting to order. We will start with roll call. Planning is present. Police >> Brian Kennedy here. >> Public works. >> Dale Smith. >> Uh fire. >> Jeremy Holderfield. >> Building. >> First item on the agenda is the Chandler
Row Plat. First to middle. I am the project manager on this one. This is the plat of the property formerly known as Chandler, I'm sorry, uh, INB Homes and um, this property is located up in the Kelly Park forbase code area off of
Kelly Park Road and I believe it's about 250 town home units. Is the applicant in attendance today? Does not seem as if they are. There were comments from legal, the city surveyor and public works I believe had comments.
Correct. Okay. All right. Uh based on that planning has nothing further. Police >> no further comment. >> Okay. Public works >> only what I had written. >> Okay. Fire. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building >> I don't have anything. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Next item on the agenda is 107 North Central Avenue special exception. Uh Amamir Hamza is the project manager on this one. >> Good morning everyone. So this is a special exception for an ADU. They are trying to convert their existing garage
um to um an ADU and um it's uh located in the mixeduse downtown zoning district and has a future land use of resident Julo under the mixeduse downtown zoning district. They can do an ADU with a special exception permit up to 500 square f feet in size and uh staff and
the applicant are available for further comments and questions. The applicant in attendance this morning. Do you have any questions or comments for the development review committee? >> All right. Do any members have questions or comments for the applicant? All right. Hearing none, Paul has nothing further in what air touched on police?
>> No comments. Uh public works. >> Yeah, there's not any impacts on any of our systems. So, no comments. >> All right. fire. >> Correct. >> Also, planning had a comment on it asking um so the garage is being
converted to ADU, but then is is the house the I also see there's an extension to the existing residence. Is it possible to clarify that and under >> could you come up and clarify? That's a comment that I left as well on the
letter. >> Hello, good morning. It was just a conversion of a pre-existing Porsche. It's already been enclosed. The permitting is already processed. It just hasn't been finished. >> Fire has no comments. >> So, I wanted to clarify that the ADU is
just for the garage thing. This is separate. If you want Yeah. So, um if you could pro provide a site plan without that extension, that would be helpful as u you know when this goes to public hearing, we want to specify that it's the garage um renovation that's
turning into the ADU, not the not the extension of the primary residence. >> Correct. The garage is completely >> real quick. That is that is actually permitted as we speak. >> No, I I understand that. UNC >> I I understand that but you know if if it could upload a site plan without that
that would help in the public hearing process. That's all I'm asking. >> Yeah, that's all it >> Yeah. >> I think. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Next item. Uh 1250 AOA Pocket Road construction
site plan second middle June as the project manager. >> Good morning. Um this is the second sub middle of 1250 AOY Paka Road CSP. The property has a future land use of commercial zone as a community commercial. Lot size is about 1 acre. Um
and building floor area is about 11,000 square foot. Um this applicant is available for any comments. >> All right. Applicants in attendance, you have any questions or comments for the DRC? >> Okay. if you could come up for
morning. >> Well, the idea with this product is to have a furniture store and a mattress store. So, but uh I I was checking the commands and for a furniture store, I
need some storage space. I need some storage space in somewhere in the warehouse to storage and the metric storage the same. So I was checking the comments and it's not possible to have any storage over there.
So that's one thing that I was trying to understand if I can go over with this project or I need to change everything and do just commercial. So that's that's was the idea for the product.
>> So was the comment that you received basically saying you can't have >> I cannot have any storage over there warehouse is not >> oh so it's not our warehouse. So in the m store so I need to have some space
closet with some storage some stock over there and the same >> that's the warehouse. Okay. So, are you going to be using it as a because it says warehouse on the plant. >> So, the main idea is to have a retail in the front.
>> Okay. >> And somewhere in the back to store some furniture, to store some mattress. >> So, like a stock room in other words. Okay. Then if that's the case, then you probably need to take the word warehouse off the plans because warehouse like Jun was saying is not a permitted use in the
zoning district. But if it's retail, retail has a stock room. That's kind of what you expect. >> That's where you're playing. >> Then I think you need to respond accordingly. >> Okay. To that. >> So it's possible to do with stock room in the back >> like any retail store has is a stock. >> Oh, that's great. That's great.
>> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. >> Uh Dale, I'm sure you had some comments on this one, sir. >> Yes. >> This is from a public works standpoint, not a very good site. over half of it's in the flood plane. So, I don't know how
you're going to compensate for the fill that you're going to have to put there to level the site out. For every cubic yard of dirt you put in the flood plane, you're going to have to create flood plane somewhere else on your site. >> Okay. >> You've got three driveways. We're not going to permit three driveways. We're
going to give you one driveway with an emergency access. >> Okay. >> And you didn't really address any of the comments from the first review. there's there's nothing from an engineering standpoint to really review on this other than than the plans. So, you've really got a lot of work to do and it's
going to be hard to develop it because I don't know how you're going to >> I can reduce the space of the of both stars and I we can work out and so I I I just can have one entrance and one emergency exit, right?
>> I'm sorry, I didn't understand. >> I can have just one entrance, right? you only have one driveway and one emergency access, but you know, typically your storm water pond is somewhere between about seven and 10% of your site. Looking at the storm water pond that you
have there, it doesn't look like it's going to work. You may have to go to some underground storage, there's a lot that's going to have to be done on this site to make it, you know, permittable as far as public works is concerned. >> Okay, I will work on that.
So if I can work something with if they start to have a little bit of storage over there, I can work in this size and and we hit with the planner again. >> Yeah, make sure you address the comments before the next submitt. >> Okay, appreciate June pointed out the
code requires two full access points for non-residential development. Um it's I think you decided section With the distance that you have to have in between driveways, I don't see how you get two driveways on this site because the first two driveways that are
shown, one of them, if you if you look at the aerial, your driveways past the stop bar on the intersection, so that wouldn't be allowed. The next driveway is into a dedicated turn lane, which we don't allow. That doesn't leave him enough room. for one drive. Bobby,
>> would you be able to get an easement from the property owner to the west to access into the site using the uh Northstar Logistics Road? >> I need to check with the engineering to see what we can do. >> Okay,
>> Bobby, he'll have to be out of the intersection and back from the intersection on that also even on that road there. And you see their pond comes around. So, it's a private parade. Well, the only problem the left road that we have there is a private pro
private company. So, I don't think they're going to allow me to to open a road to that side. >> I think you've got a lot of things to overcome. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's a challenging site. Um, it's
small. It seems like what's it's called what's a remnant parcel that's left over from when this uh big industrial park went in. >> Okay. >> So, definitely it's got a lot of challenges that Dale pointed out and Jun's pointed out with his comments as well.
>> Um you know, we're happy to help you as much as we can, but we have to kind of follow the code and compl. >> Um we'll see if anybody else has any questions or comments for you. Do you have anything else for us? >> No, I didn't bring anything new. I just
want to understand >> Sure. >> what I can do or what I cannot do. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, we'll go around and see if anybody has anything. Planning has nothing additional from what we discussed. Police. >> No further comment. >> Public works. >> No additional comments. >> Fire. >> No comments. Thank you.
>> Building, >> nothing. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you very much, sir. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> All right. Uh, next item is Go ministry construction site plan third sub middle June is the project manager. >> So this is third sub middle of CSP for
church on property located at Rock Springs Road. The size of the property is about 7 acre. The size of the proposed building is about 11,000 square ft and the current future land is commercial. Zoning is community commercial.
uh proposed use is church and it's permitted and the proposed number of sets is 400 and um planning has only one comment regarding the chain link fans other than that we only received the
comments from the public works sale >> is the applicant in attendance >> okay >> they actually sent me an email yesterday and said they were going to start working on the comments >> okay >> all All right. All right. Planning has nothing further. Police, nothing. Public
works. >> No other comments. >> Fire. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building. >> I don't have anything. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, June. Okay. The next item is iPads being temperamental. Everly onage.
And here's a mirror. >> All right. So, this is a resubmitt to Everlyage. It's um subdivisions uh that includes consists of 67 six single family lots. It's located in the KPI form based code area. Uh future land use
is mixed use and the zoning is mixeduse neighborhood. Staff and applicant are available for refer to comments and questions. >> And I believe the applicants in attendance. You did receive comments from the DRC. If there's any you'd like to discuss, now's your chance. Good morning. TJ Moore, 1828
engineering. Uh, we looked at the phototric comments. That's good. Um, we can solve that. The only comment question we had was probably for mayor on the block length. Um, we provide open space tracks 20 feet
in between lots every 500 feet. Um, I know we had an approved master plan that showed the similar um, configuration with the open space um, tracks breaking out the lots. Uh, I guess we're just looking for some clarification on that
if this this layout is okay. >> Um, here. >> Couple breaks in there to kind of >> Well, with the open space tracks up because I know I've done that before. Yeah, open space tracks would help break up the blocks.
>> So, yeah, we have we're at 385. We're just below 495 between >> then that should be sufficient. >> That's from line to track because it was where does it say 510
from here to here it's 510 >> but it's from right away to right away is only 460 so I guess >> oh I guess it's counting the intersection >> yeah in the sidewalk >> could you somehow clarify that >> okay >> then that could that that can because if
it's not clarified then you know >> yeah we can provide then then >> okay >> all right you have any Other questions or comments? Public Works, did you have anything on this one? >> I haven't finished my review. So, tell Luke I'll get you something by the end of the week. Let me ask you a question.
Have you got your water management permit yet? >> Uh, we're submitting that. So, it's it's we've done our first submitt and we're updating comments on that. So, >> okay. >> We're going to resubmit that. Yep. >> Thank you. >> All right. Planning has nothing other than the comments that were generated.
Police. >> No comment. >> How it works? They'll be coming soon. >> Okay. Fire. >> No comments. Thank you. >> Building >> nothing. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Any items? I think that was the last item on the agenda. Anything for
discussion? All right. We're journed. Part: 2
Mhm. >> [laughter] >> Good afternoon and welcome to everybody to the city of Apopka May 6th, 2026 commission meeting. I'm actually going to ask my pastor Kevin Craig to provide the invocation. He is the pastor
of Thrive Church Apopka for a little over 30 years and a funny anecdote is he was the one that baptized me when I was four or five. So very great community leader here and somebody that's been very impactful in my life. So please if you can provide us the invocation.
Please stand. Well, before I before I pray the invocation, I'll share Nick's favorite joke. I'm like a mosquito at a nudist colony. I know what I'm here to do, but there's a lot of places I could get started before we get started with this council meeting. [laughter]
Nick, before you were elected and the election took place, we had a time of prayer at the church just for the season that we're in. And out of the conference and the prayer came a man from the west coast of
Florida that has prayed for our state for 45 years. And while he was staying at the Hilton Garden Inn, he was awakened at 3:00 in the morning the week before you won and walked out and stood on 441 and the Lord spoke to him and said, "Highway 441 is a miracle highway."
And God directed him to Psalm 44:1 that says, "God, we've heard about your glorious miracles that you've done for our ancestors. They told us about these ancient times and how by your power you drove out ungodly nation crushing their strongholds and giving us the land.
Now the people of Israel covered this land from one end to the other all the cause of your grace and power." I've written and given to you and uh Councilwoman Barron the decree that we believe that you all have been given a
gatekeeper's anointing and authority since your office is on Highway 441. And we believe that you're the gatekeepers to see miracles through the grace and power of God happen in our city. With that as a backdrop, I call this to this prayer.
Gracious heavenly Father, we come before you today with humility and gratitude acknowledging all wisdom and authority and purpose flow from you. As this council gathers, we invite the presence of the Holy Spirit into this place. May your spirit rest on every heart and
mind here. Grant them clarity where there's uncertainty, unity where there is division, and courage where there are difficult decisions to be made. Lord, we recognize the weight of leadership in times of peace and difficulty.
In moments where conflict arise and challenges press in, guide this council to act not in fear, but in discernment, justice, and truth. Help them be vigilant and wise, prepared and compassionate. Holy Spirit, lead this new era of
leadership, shape their words, direct their steps, and align their decisions with your will. May they serve not for themselves, but for those and the good of those that you've entrusted to their care. Establish in them the integrity
and the vision that you've entrusted them with. Give them strength to endure. Let this council be marked by the righteousness, accountability, and deep commitment to what is right that they've run on and decreed. We dedicate this time, these decisions,
and this new season into your hands. Go before Mayor Nesta and this wonderful council. Stand beside them and remain within them. In your precious, holy name we pray, Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for that. If you can't stay standing, we'll do the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. You may be seated. So, moving forward here, uh
just a little information for the commission, what we'll do, as long as you're open to it, is uh we'll rotate um we'll start with commission seat 1, 2, 3, and 4, and keep doing that. And you can uh have a uh somebody clergy come that you select to come pray for that week. If
you don't have anyone, we we have a database that we can tap into for that if if that's okay with you guys. Sure. So, what's your job next week? Excellent. Um I will jump into I'm going to read a quick decorum statement, and then we'll jump into public comment as
well. Welcome to the public meeting of the City Commission of the City of Apopka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent. The City Commission permits and encourages input comments by the members of the public on all matters which may come before the council for action. If you wish wish to address the
commission this afternoon, please make sure you have filled out a card with your contact information and have presented it to the clerk. When called upon, please proceed to the podium and speak clearly into the microphone stating your name. And direct your comments to the City Commission and not to individual commissioners, staff, or members of the public.
The commission and city staff encourage constructive criticism. However, personal attacks are prohibited. Please observe general rules of decorum and civility. Speakers and members of the audience shall refrain from rude, derogatory remarks, shouting, disruptions, reflections as to integrity, slander, abusive comments,
profanity, vulgarities, and statements as to personalities. Any violation of these provisions may result in the issuance of verbal warnings, including warnings for trespass. If violations persist after such warnings, violators may be removed from the commission chambers. And I just read that to make sure that
we're on the same page. Uh but we really do welcome public comments, and I appreciate everyone being here today for that. Uh Mrs. Bone, do we have any interested residents that would like to speak right now? Yes. Uh Rod Olson. Oh, they're up. Okay. Thank you. Uh
Rod Olson. All right. I want to say this is a great week in Apopka. Want to thank for the thank the Apopka Police Department for hosting another outstanding Cops and Bobbers. It was an tremendous program, an example of uh of how we integrate integrate in
and working with community. Elementary and middle school students are paired side by side with officers fishing, learning, laughing, and building relationships that matter. This event does not happen without support. Thank you to Costa, Eagle Claw,
Elite Sticks, Gulf Creek Lures, Jaw Tech, Mystery Tackle Box, Poor Boys Baits, Speer Speer Point, Zip Zap Co, Cabellas, Carter Electric, Mission Fishing, and especially to Carter's Ace Hardware, Dick's Sporting Goods, LCL McDonald's,
Sonny's Barbecue, King's Landing, and the Apopka Citizens Police Academy Alumni Association who stepped up to make this event possible. Because of you, every child did not just have a great day. They went home with fishing gear and a memory that lasts.
A special shout-out to officers Ray Leftwich. I've got to move this Can you move forward? There we go. That's the whole team. If you can move forward one more, please. Thank you. That is officer Ray Leftwich. He and Cody Grow, leading in from the front, jumped into the water to help kids
retrieve snake lures and land fish. You showed exactly what it means to serve with heart. To our police officers, detectives, leadership team, volunteers, and especially Sergeant Mark Preisser, and Officer Greg Abbruscato, who put this event together.
Mayor Nesta, thank you for being there, being present, engaged, and being there from start to finish. Uh I've got a little something here. If I can find it. There we go. Enough of that. Good vibrations. >> [laughter] >> At any rate, can you feel it? Can you
see it? There is an energy in Apopka right now. Will there be discussion? Yes. Will it be debate? Absolutely. Will there be a Will we all be agreed? No, we won't. But, we will move forward together. When we lead with respect, when we hold
each other accountable, when we work as one team, elected officials, city staff, citizens, there's nothing the city cannot accomplish. City staff are the backbone. In an environment built on trust, support, mutual respect, and accountability, they will thrive.
Let us stay engaged. Let us stay involved. Let's keep showing up. Together, we are not just managing a city, we are building something stronger, something better, and something that every resident of Apopka can be proud of. Please give it up for the city staff and
our leadership team. >> [applause] >> Now, let's get to work. Oh, obviously, our chief And as I was leaving, the end of the program, they were together. So, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Olsen. And if I can, before we jump to the next one, I just want to apologize to the
commissioners. Uh we're still working on communication for how we get invites out to events. So, sorry you did not get that invite, um but we are working diligently to make sure that every event that we are hosting in any capacity is on your calendar. Okay. >> And and you guys can make those adjustments as needed from there. I just want to make sure that uh that was
known, and that was I'll I'll take the ownership on that. We're just still working through those little nuances. >> That's okay. The cops and Bob are sorry. >> [laughter] >> Next resident, please. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. >> Mayor, commissioners, congratulations to all you.
Uh happy day after Cinco de Mayo. Happy Asian American uh Pacific Islander Heritage Month, which I learned yesterday we have more Asian Americans in this county than any county
in the state of Florida. Uh my name is Dr. Jim Woirhaye. I'm elected Orange Soil and Water Conservation District 2 Supervisor. And this presentation is mine and mine alone. Uh in less than 9 weeks, this country
turns 250 years old. Uh one of the founding fathers, very frugal founding father, emphasized waste not, want not. And in honor of Ben Franklin and the
250th anniversary, I'm launching a D2C3 water challenge. Uh D2, of course, is for District 2. The three threes, the three C's. Number one is change.
I challenge you to make two new habits. Change something you're not doing now. First one, conserve. If, for example, you're letting the water run while you're brushing your teeth, that's wasting water. Or soaking up in the shower or running the
dishwasher. Second is clean. Please pick one thing, make a new habit to prevent uh pollution and contamination into our stormwater drains. For example, pick up trash. It all
often ends up in the stormwater drains. Or if you wash your car in your particular driveway, a lot of that ends up in the stormwater drain. Uh or make sure you maintain your car well because the oil in
the other contaminants in your car ends up in that storm stormwater drain. Uh Ben Franklin also say, "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I may remember. Uh
Involve me and I learn." So, second step with the challenge is tell your friends, but more importantly teach them to participate in this water challenge. And most most importantly, involve them and organizations in this
water challenge. Uh thank you very much. I set up a email address just for this water challenge. And take personal responsibility. You have existing habits, make changes
to new habits. Thank you for your time and God bless all of you. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Mohan. Dr. O? There's already so many positive changes going on in the city. We see the change in the commissioners actually having a place to sit down instead of squatting
in the lobby. Um we see some other changes going on. Like to see the mayor finally get an office, maybe. Um In time. In time. You've got that little short stool in the bathroom outside of the manager of the city manager's office
with the little tiny elementary school toilets. Most people don't know about those. Um we need to though clean up some of the past. You know, we can't forget the past and we need to clean it up. And one issue is is that um
we have in just one department 69 back ordered public requests. And that's been going on for 562 days since 10/21/2024
by just one director. Um they have to be out immediately. And I Susan, is that 7 days you've got set for for public records requests? As a goal is 7 days and the law says soon.
And to be responsible. Um there are consequences to it. And the consequences include uh $500 fine and uh removal from office. And so the clerk relies on the directors
to do their job. And it also reflects on the commission and the mayor. And we've got some names on here that I highlighted for you that I question why those people um didn't get their records. It included two commissioners
that needed the records to vote. And they did not receive the records to vote. How could they make a wise decision if they didn't get the records to vote? Um so I beg of you to um look at this and expedite these uh some of them even
would result in income from corporations. Now, a final uh item is that we had we need to claw back some money that was spent um unwisely on private club memberships. Um
it opened up those clubs to uh public record requests. Any of those clubs that money was spent on even after uh the commission decided not to spend money on those private clubs, they were paid out anyway. And that should have been stopped at the
CFO level. And uh they were spent. So, there's years of money being spent on private clubs, um personal clubs, and now all those organizations' documents regarding it are public record.
Thank you. We will look into this. Mhm. I will have some answers for you shortly. Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Albert McKimmy. Albert McKimmy, 3603 Gold Chamber Road. Congratulations to everyone sitting here today. It's a new administration. It's time for
us to forget a lot of the adversities and put them in the past. Many great things are born out of adversity. And the Pop Co over the last 4 years has had a great deal of adversity. It's my opinion now that we will have municipalities surrounding us who will
be envious of what we have in front of us today. So, my intention not to say anything today is to sit back and let you commissioners get the opportunity to look at the things and do your job. One thing I would ask you is don't wait for us to come to you.
Come to us. I invite you to to to pick up the phone and ask questions. There's one thing that I would ask. And again, Dr. Oh mentioned she had some concerns about public records. If we're not entitled to get to public
records, or if there's some form of of difficulty placed on it, whether it's monetary concerns or not, there's tens of thousands of emails in this city that we can't get access to. And within those emails,
it has answers to most of the questions that we want to know. In the past, when we've made public record requests, we've been disenfranchised by the fact that to get that record request would cost a lot of money. So, all I would ask is, you know, let's
look at when when the public come, if it's for something that that that's significant and it's to help the city and help the commission, we should be prepared to waive public record fees. Thank you for your comments. William Murphy.
Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for taking my my comment Excuse me, my commentary and my questions. Um I'm a long-time resident of Apopka. I've lived here since the early '90s. My family relocated here from Tennessee, so I've been blessed to call this area home.
Um I've seen a lot of good changes in our community, and I've seen some questionable changes. Um I am a father of three. I'm a loving husband, and my primary concern for my family is safety. And the safety concern that I currently have is the traffic that is currently
coming to our area. I lived off of Bear Lake Road. I've lived off of Thompson Road here in Apopka. I currently now reside off of Boy Scout Road. And if you've ever traveled down Apopka Apopka Road here, you will notice that there is an immense
uptick in traffic, not only with residential traffic, but also with commercial traffic. There has been development of warehouses within the last year. Within moving in the area, there's been two new warehouses that have sprung up in my area. There's one
literally across the lake from where I live, and there's one coming at the end of Binion Road. So, now you're going to have commercial traffic in a residential neighborhood. I'm constantly navigating 18-wheeler trucks along with school buses, which I should see because it is a residential
community, but we are all traveling down the same two-lane highway, which is troubling for me. Because I am navigating this area with 18-wheelers, school buses, residential traffic, and if you ever traveled early in the morning or during rush hour, you
will notice it is nearly impossible to turn left on the Clarcona Road either from Boy Scout or Binion Road. It is playing traffic roulette, and my hope and my my prayer is that no one experiences a fatality. But, if you've
ever tried to turn left, you can see that it's possibly going to happen. And so, with the decisions that have already been made, I know we can't change those with the residential and commercial all together in one space. I'm urging this commission to take a deep look at the traffic in the area.
There will be more traffic increasing as the Publix opens up. There's going to be a new apartment building next to that Publix, and it is still the same two-lane highway on Clarcona Coil Road. You have people crossing the street all the time who need to just get across the
street. I'm very deeply concerned as a father that there will be something tragic that happens if we do not take a look at the traffic in that area and make some deep changes as to what is coming our way. Thank you so much for your time. Thank
you. Mr. Murphy, did you leave contact information on your card? I did. Yes, sir. Okay, perfect. Mr. Williams, if we can reach out or just put that I'd be happy to send an email to provide some updates from staff. Cuz there are plans for that road, I promise you that. Thank you so much for being here. Reimagine communities.
Ms. Shontae. Hello, Shontae Jameson, Reimagined Communities Tees Emerson Park. So, I'm here today to just inform everybody that we will be having community sports day on July 18th. Our hope is to have it at the Alonzo
Williams Billy Dean Center. We are in partnership with uh Popka Police Department. We're very excited about it. This is a day to get our children, our police department, and our local businesses to just come out. Come out and see your families, the
people that you represent, and just give these kids something positive to do. It's so easy to come here and talk about, "Oh, there's crime." Or there's nothing for the kids to do. So, we just said, "Hey, we're going to create this space and hopefully host an event at least once a quarter to get our kids something to do within the city of
Popka. So, Evan Health is also going to bring a team out. So, we are encouraging other businesses to come out. We are looking for sponsors to help with that event. There's going to be game trucks, old school games like potato sack runs, everything. We want to infuse the new with the old and just have everybody
come out and do something positive in our city. And that will be on July 18th. We're hoping you guys will want to partner with us because we are trying to get the Alonzo William Park for that event. And we've also done something that people said couldn't be done, but it has. We reached out to other
municipalities and we have other officers that are going to come over and just be with our kids and our officers. So, that's we're very excited about that. We're going to make a big deal about it because it's something for our kids and we're also it's just not a reimagined thing because over the last
year we have been supporting some of our local um smaller nonprofits in their mentoring group. So, one of them is Polo Mentoring. So, we have been a sponsor of them for the last year. They're going to be involved in reaching out to the schools. We're reaching out to athletes that have come from Apopka to try to get
them to come out and give back to our kids. So, we're just asking you guys to support, come out and um just come out and enjoy your kids and your families. Okay. >> Awesome. Thank you, Mr. Jamerson. Sylvester Hall. >> [clears throat]
>> Sylvester Hall, Roxbury Street. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh what a beautiful day it is uh to see change. To see the energy, to feel the energy. So, I'm here as I always is here to be a constant reminder.
It's good to have the energy. It's good to be motivated, but there's a lot of work to do. And there's a lot of hearts and a lot of minds that need to be changed. And if we move forward in love, that'll happen. So, I'm happy uh
and congratulations to everyone. Uh and thank you, Commissioner Barron, for your invite. I just was out of town, wasn't able to make it, but my heart and my soul and spirit was there with each and every one of you. So, thank you. You have
raise your right hand for oath. And that oath you should take very seriously because you are the citizens first line of defense when it comes to public safety and public welfare. And so, please take that
Please take that to heart. And I'mma say this cuz I always say this because we are in troubling times, you know, >> [clears throat] >> and we don't want to overlook that. So, I'mma I'm here as a constant reminder.
Our country is in a national crisis because too many good people are standing by watching bad things happening and not doing anything about it. Sometimes being complacent. We must stand united against racism.
We must stand united against hate. We must stand united against corruption. We must stand united against greed. And we must stand united against white privilege. When we normalize the abnormal, we
desensitize the truth to the point the truth doesn't matter anymore. And that is a sad place for the country to be. And so, each and every one of you, if you hold these values and we're not all perfect. None of us are perfect.
But we should strive to be as close as possible. So, when I read these core values, the truth matters. Laws matter. Morals matter. Ethics matter. Leadership matters. Character matters.
Integrity matters. Principle matters. Rules matter. Facts matter. Procedures matter. Honesty matters. Accountability matters. Responsibility matters. Justice matters.
Contents of situations matters. And all God's people matter. If we lead in that with our heart, then we will set the standard for the whole entire country. You have a chance to do that today and I will hold you accountable to making sure
that that is carried out for the people and the residents of the city of Apopka. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hall. Deborah Green Deborah Green for Orange Audubon, P.O. Box 274 Apopka. Um congratulations
and welcome and I'm very pleased. I know you've been supporters of our project along. >> [clears throat] >> The Apopka Birding Park, which is right next to the Lake Apopka Wildlife Drive. Um just [clears throat] incremental updates. We're still heavily fundraising
before we can start construction, but we did select our building contractor, R.B. Marks of Winter Springs. That our our architect is very pleased to work with. He's worked with him on another [clears throat] project. And
um on the habitat restoration, the um concrete pads are finally being removed >> [laughter] >> um by the St. Johns River Water Management District. That's a long time waiting.
And uh to help us get over the hump and be able to start construction, um the Propagate owner, Ella Duke, offered to do a fundraiser for us there at Propagate and it's coming up May 16th and I invite you all and all the
community will will make sure it gets in the newspapers. Um so, that's about it. Are you able to send us uh that email with that in it so that it can be circulated? I am sure will. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. Okay.
Virginia Street >> I All right. Forgiveness Treat with compassion in Apopka. Um I wanted to first thank everyone for our last um gathering we had at Just Like Mama's
where it was a luau and uh everybody had their their items on and they were very pleased with the food and the clothing and I provided a couple of
um assistance with people filling out applications for jobs. Three of them I helped and two of them got the job. So, if you drive up to Burger King, you'll see one of them that has a job. So, I am grateful just
for um being in their presence and to be able to talk with them and understand everyone has a different story. Everyone has a different story about how they got there. You know, and it's not so different from mine. I just had a different variable that didn't put me there, you know?
So, I I continue to press forward. I continue to ask for your support. Um I am pleased with the new leadership that we have and uh I am content and I know that anything I ask for that I need, I know
that it's available to me. Um I do have um um, May in the works right now. It is May the 24th at just like Mama's. Uh, what we are doing is since it's the right before Memorial Day, it'll be a
Memorial Day celebration. So, we are decorating and just giving people a a chance to have their minds in a different place and just to provide any counseling, any needs that are are um,
requested. And just be able to point people in the right direction, whether it's dental care, whether it's health care, what the city has provided. I've also provided a sheet uh, that has information on it, where there are food banks, where there are things that they
might be interested in that they're not aware of. Um, I counted five new people this week that have moved into the Apopka area and uh, I I feel that the number will continue to
increase with uh, the they came out of a I talked with them and they came out of um, Orlando because there was no shelters for them there. And one of them in the is a uh young lady with her two children.
And I was able to direct her to a place where she could find something. So, I uh, ask you to continue to if if nothing else, just pray for the unhoused and and pray for the mission uh, that I've taken. I continue to ask
for your support and I'm encouraged by what I see for the future. Thank you. What time is it on the 24th? It is at 5:30. Perfect, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Street. Mhm. What time was that? 5:30. What time? Oh. Excellent. Is there anybody else that
didn't put in a card that would like to speak? If not, uh, we will move on to our approval of minutes. There was one small change that was brought to my attention and it is the signature line of the minutes themselves that
it goes from the it needs to be corrected to read Nick Nestlerode. So, do I have a motion to approve the minutes the regular city council meeting minutes of April 15th, 2026 with that change? >> So moved. Uh, moved by Commissioner Anderson, second by Commissioner Ruth. All those
in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Uh, agenda review Mr. Williams, any changes to the agenda? No changes, Mayor. Thank you, sir. Proclamations, I'm actually going to be reading them from the podium. Okay.
Is that on? Okay. Please write I'm actually going to start with we're starting with the National Public Works Week and Mr. Vlad Simanovsky has provided some facts that he'd like to share before we read it. Okay. All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh,
commissioners, Mayor. I just wanted to share a few notes like key historical highlights on some of the uh, >> [clears throat] >> National Public Works Week before we go into the proclamation. So, in 1960 the APWA which is the American
Public Works Association instituted the first National Public Works Week to educate the public on the importance of public works and community life. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy signed a proclamation officially recognizing the week urging citizens to pay tribute to
public works engineers and administrators. Now, 40 years later in 2003 public works employees were officially recognized as first responders through the Homeland Security Presidential Directive number eight, known as the HSPD-8, signed by
President George W. Bush. And this directive recognized their critical role in emergency management alongside police, fire, and EMS. Finally, in 2018, the American Public Works Association adopted an official public works first responder symbol.
Public works professionals are often the first on the scene and last to leave during disasters, responsible for clearing roads, restoring critical infrastructure, and protecting public safety. As a matter of fact, I invited a few of our team, and actually half of them
had to respond right before we entered the building here to a fallen tree on the road on Old Magnolia in the old section of town. So, they just could not be here at the moment. They had to respond. Finally, each year APWA assigns a national team,
and the 2026 observance carries the theme "Rooted in Service, Powered by Community." All right. Thank you, and I'll let Mayor Nestler Excellent. Thank you so much for that. I will say public works I knew since I got elected and even before that, obviously,
that public works really was an integral part of our city, not always the most glamorous, but the most needed. And and I've seen that even just in the past week that I've been seated, they truly are the backbone of what what gets this city going to where it needs to be. So, thank you for that. I'll stick to the proclamation.
Whereas, public works professionals focus on infrastructure facilities and services that are vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to public health, high quality of life, and well-being of of people of Apopka, Florida. And whereas, the infrastructure facilities and services
cannot be provided without the dedicated efforts of public works professionals who are engineers, managers, and employees at all levels of government and the private sector who are responsible for rebuilding, improving, and protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water treatment, and solid waste systems,
public buildings, and other structures and facilities essential for our citizens. And whereas it is in the public interest for citizens, civic leaders, and children of Apopka to gain knowledge of and maintain an ongoing interest and understanding of the importance of public works and public works programs
in their respective communities. And whereas the year 2026 March marks the 66th annual National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association. Now, therefore, I Nick Nesta, mayor of the city of Apopka, Florida, do hereby proclaim the week of
May 17th through May 23rd to be National Public Works Week in the city of Apopka and urge all citizens to join in recognizing and honoring the dedicated public works employees who play a crucial role in keeping our community safe. >> [applause] >> So, you guys can sit down. You guys can come
on up. We'll take a quick picture. You guys can sit down You guys can sit up. Take this to that room there. Who's Who's going to Purpose of that room is >> [applause] >> We're going to move on to the municipal clerk week proclamation. I'll read it
for you here. Whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk, a time-honored and vital part of local government, exists through the world. And whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk is the oldest among public servants. Not saying ours is the oldest, just it's the oldest.
>> [laughter] >> Whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk provides the professional link between the citizens, the local governing body, and agencies of government at other levels. And whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be ever mindful of their neutrality, impartiality, rendering
equal service to all. And whereas the professional municipal clerks serve as the information center on functions of local government and community. And whereas professional municipal clerks continually strive to improve the administration of the office of the professional municipal clerks through
participation in educational programs, seminars, workshops, and the annual meetings of their state, county, and international professional organizations. And whereas it is most appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the office of the professional municipal clerk. Now, therefore, I Nick Nesta, mayor of the
city of Apopka, Florida, do hereby recognize the week of May 3rd through May 9th, 2026 as professional municipal clerks week and further extend the appreciation to our professional municipal clerk, Susan Bone, and to all of our professional municipal clerks for their vital services they perform and
their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent. >> [applause] >> And I just want to say a couple words. They really do an incredible job dealing with and and servicing all of our residents through public record records requests, helping out with the agendas. I mean, they're and and on and on and
on. I could go on for a long time. So, always deal and they also deal with cemetery, too. So, there's a lot and and they just do an incredible job exactly how this says with impartiality, professionalism, and a positive attitude. So, I just want to thank you to to our team that has been here. And
if we can, come take a picture, please. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. All right. Yeah, attorney Shepherd, I had asked him to do a brief emphasis underline italicized brief Sunshine Law review just for the new
commissioners ourselves as well just to make sure sometime the intention may be there, but that doesn't matter. So, I just want to make sure we're on the same page there and and any questions please ask. Go ahead and stop anywhere through if if you have a clarifying question, so attorney Shepherd, it's all yours. All
right. Well, mayor, thank you for having me up here for this important topic. If you had to ask me the one thing that I think you need to know for all of you to stay out of the newspapers, no apologies to the sergeant and anyone else, it's Sunshine Law and public records. So, notwithstanding that
I've been given a sharp deadline of 10 minutes. If you've taken the ethics to club course that I also teach, you'll know that this is given them a minimum of an hour in that course and so covering it all in 10 minutes is not going to be too easy, but I'm going to cut it down to the stuff that will keep you out of jail. So, that's the that's
what we're trying to do. All right, so with that I'm I'm going to jump through all these slides. I can talk about any of them at length, but I will spare you the details and try to get to slide five if I can make this thing go fast enough cuz that's going to get to the meat of it. Okay.
Did I get it? Yes, minutes. Okay. >> [snorts] >> All right. So, what are the three things that you need for a proper Sunshine meeting? You need notice, need to be in a location that's publicly accessible, and you need minutes. And if it were that simple, then I would be done, but it's not that simple because the key to
all of these things is each one of them has been interpreted by the courts to be very specific. The notice has to be reasonable. It has to be provided in the appropriate manner the way your meetings are noticed, and also they have to be published in a in a way that the public
can can find out about them. The locations, all All things by the way have come up in cases. So, you can't have it in a restaurant. You can't have it in a private club. You can't have it in a in outside the city limits and so on and so forth. This is one of the reasons why I get off and ask the
question, we would like to do a retreat. Well, as long as the retreat's here, you can do it here. But, that's not somewhere else outside the jurisdiction. Um those places all sound nice in this book come up with later when we start talking about some cases that have been in the newspaper recently. Um but but
this is where you need to be in the city limits in a public accessible building where everybody can come in and be felt like they're welcome to be here and participate in the process. You do want to need to be in a place where chilling effect occurs that I.E. I got to buy a meal in order to sit here
and listen to this meeting or I got to get into a private club where I might be looked at as someone who doesn't belong or I'm not dressed appropriately or any of those things. So, that's critical. And then minutes uh have to be kept. Um but but of course the question is what is a meeting? Well, a meeting is
any communication between two or more members of the same board. So, any of the two of you through any means uh text messages um phone calls uh written notes passed on the die, whatever it might be. And it
discusses me business that is reasonably foreseeable to come before you. Or, and this is important thing to understand meet business that you've already had that you might think is over because as people who've been here long enough, Ms. Velasquez can testify, but we'll know
it's never over. Everything always comes back one way or the other. So, if you talk about it in between, you've created a problem for yourself. So, don't do that. That's true. All right, the next slide I'm going to move ahead to on if you I don't know if you have the written pre- uh presentation, but it's
going to be seven. Yeah, let's see if I can get all the pieces parts there. Yes, here we go. This this looks so much nicer when I get do it, you know, in order. But anyway, so what is the reason why this is a problem? Well, knowing knowingly violating a meeting or attending a
meeting in violation of these requirements is a second degree misdemeanor. What is not automatic? Well, if you're outside of the state of Florida. When does that become an issue? Well, anybody go on to to Washington meet with legislators? If
you go as a group, that's a potential problem if you're talking about city business in the same location with one another. Same in Tallahassee, not outside the state but outside the jurisdiction, same issue. So that's why if you ask me, I would say send send one, not more than one. And if you are going to send more than one, you better
stay apart. You better not eat together, you better not stay together in the same not that you would be in the same hotel room, but you just understand that you're going to create an issue because appearance matters hugely here. Um and a court can assess attorney's fees against
you for enforcement unless you follow the advice of the city attorney. So I get to be your boss for this particular issue. If you listen to me, you stay out of trouble. If you don't listen to me, you'll get in trouble. It's that simple. All right. Uh so we've covered what what a public
meeting is and that can be any communication between the two of you. The next statute next page I want to go to is eight. Um and it it covers all of these uh issues in some detail and I'll talk about them. So this is the Sunshine Law
is not just a statute statute 286.011. It's also in the Florida Constitution um and it covers uh this where discussions of matters that reasonably may be foreseeably come before you uh could happen. And that includes staff committees. So something you may not be
aware of but certainly the public may not be is we have a committee called the DRC. It's made up of department heads that review development. They are staff and ordinarily not subject to sunshine, but when that committee meets because they make recommendations that come to you, they are subject to sunshine, which
puts them in the same position as you do with regard to discussing these matters in certain context outside of those meetings. So, it's very clear that any way you would communicate, telegraph, smoke signal, doesn't semaphores, doesn't matter. If you're communicating
about business, it's a problem. So, you don't want to do it unless it's in the minutes meeting where minutes are kept. All right. Uh yes, prosecutions still happen. Uh as this headline indicates from 2019, grand jury to review Century Town operations, council members charged with
sunshine law violations. Now, newspapers, and I mean nobody disrespect to newspapers, but they have lost some relevance in our day-to-day lives. More what we see on the news on the TV is what we see, right? But, I will promise you you do not want this headline to be
you because the fact that they're simply being investigated is not not a a good happy day. Why? Cuz I've been investigated twice, and I'm the lawyer, and I can't be charged with anything. But, the people who actually administer the law don't even necessarily
understand it either. And so, what I'm telling you is if they can look at me for violating sunshine because I do my job in talking to commissioners, they will absolutely look at you, okay? Um and so, there I I I want I wanted to show you this picture
because it has a a real point to it. My question is, what is going on here in these conversations? And the fact that we don't know it know is the point. In any of these conversations, some of these people are famous. You probably know who they are. We won't need to go into identifying them, but if this
happens in these meetings, and it always does, there's communication between you others you you guys and at every other city meeting I attend here out in the parking lot walking to and from and if I don't know in the public what's happening and I have a suspicious mind
this is a sunshine violation even if it's not because it is the topics of the communication that make it a violation but suspicious minds say this looks suspicious to me and all you have to be is on the wrong side of somebody who you voted against on an issue and this becomes an
investigation if [snorts] I don't know what's happening here and I'm out here you should be concerned about how that may end up okay uh this last slide I only pick on because it makes a point that's probably bigger than the anything else Debbie
Chillders long strong Florida history story that I will spare you but he used to be the president of the Senate back in the day he was most famous for having boxing matches with other members of the Senate that's no old joke um but when he got out of the Senate uh he went back to his hometown of Pensacola and decided
local politics was now his thing and he ran for and got elected to his local commission however he didn't realize because they don't apply sunshine law to legislators in the way they apply them to folks like you they're exempt you are not and he went
to jail for violating the very law that he and the legislature put in fact to affect all of us so if it happens to him there he is happily going to jail then it could happen to you all right so with that I want to move to some
recent cases that show um that there is a problem go on an ongoing problem and then let me let me say that I want to go to one other thing uh that we've talked about I got to get these all these transitions work great except when you have to go fast um but
they're about things that happened today that you need to understand so these I can talk about any of these later. This is the one. Okay, digital age sunshine. Now, this is an old thought, but it's still applicable. What kind of other things that we didn't talk about can get in trouble? Facebook messenger.
Uh commenting on posts on a public forum that were posted by another commissioner. Commenting on posts that you that were posted by someone who's not a commissioner, but another commissioner comments back to you through the post. The poster becomes the conduit in that situation.
Uh and they are not violating anything, but the two of you if you are communicating through this other intermediary, if you will, same problem. There was a commercial that I usually talk about when I give these presentations in the much, much longer version. Uh the the uh
Miller beer commercial was taste great, less filling. If you ever remember the commercial, there's a guy who's an instigator, and he would turn to one guy on the left and he'd say, "Well, I think this beer is taste great." "Me, too." And then the guy next to him would poke him in the ribs and say, "No, it's less filling." And the next thing you know,
the two are arguing, and the guy who's the intermediary just steps back and all heck breaks loose. This is what an intermediary does. And how does it happen? You go to your your cocktail party, a birthday party, whatever, and some member of the public comes and engages you about an issue,
and you will engage them back because you are a politician. That's what you're supposed to do. But if that same person says, "Well, I just talked to Mayor Nesta, and he said something else, and he says it he has a different view. What do you think about that?" And then you give them that view, and
they run back to Mayor Nesta, and now we have communication. And that is what you have to be on the guard for, okay? That is a problem. Now, I was told that I would be able to go here if I could figure this thing out and pull up
some cases that I have down here in the PDF. So, if I can use the mouse, I want to show you that this is not old stuff, that this is new stuff. Okay. So, the first one I'm going to start with, sadly, involves my alma mater. And I'm starting with it not because it involves my alma mater, but because it goes back
to it's the oldest. This is December 25th fifth of 20 December 5th of 2024. And this article gave me the cringe. If you read it, you will find that probably every possible way that I just
told you not to violate Sunshine Law, my alma mater violated it regularly since 2018 with meetings that were held in outside the jurisdiction in Tampa, in Sawgrass, places people couldn't get to, that they were served lavish dinners, which is a
whole separate issue, that they were doing planning and all kinds of things they thought were exempt, which they absolutely weren't. And the worst fact of all of this, they host something they call the Open Government Center on that campus.
If anybody should know, they should know. You might remember that they have a law school there. I know because I'm an alumnus of that law school. This is not good. And I don't know what will happen because of the political times we're in.
I won't say that people were going down, but if we weren't in those times, people would be going down, 100%. That's a fact. So, I wanted you to know that I am not discriminating. My own law school can't get it right. My own My own campus can't get it right. Then I'm going to go
to Holmes County. Uh this was in October of 2025. Sunshine Law case concludes with mixed outcomes. And if you read the article, what you'll find is that one uh one of the commissioners there was charged and was was convicted in a
trial. The other one resigned, but that was to avoid facing trial. And so, this is not something that's ancient history. This is not something you can afford to ignore. It can wreck you. And then the last one to try to stick
clear to my cuz I can talk about any of these for a much longer time. This is my friends out in Deltona. And the date on this one is February 10th of 2026. Deltona commissioners accused of Sunshine Law violation after holding canceled meetings. They canceled it, but
then they went and held it anyway. People therefore weren't notified and on it goes. Now, they are being sued or potentially sued according to the article. That is another pot ramification because if you get in a private lawsuit and you violate the
Sunshine Law, guess what? It's on you. That's your money out of your pocket. You don't get reimbursed unless you're proven to be not guilty. And that is a problem because if you do enough activity to get charged or to get
sued and you're found not guilty, all that does is shift the burden of who pays, but the government pays and that's your taxpayers. If it's not the government and your taxpayers, it's you. Neither is good for you. Neither is good for you. So, what do I
recommend? Be Caesar's wife so you don't lose your head. Anything for me? Thank you, Attorney Shepherd. Any questions for the attorney? I I actually have two questions. So, in regards to like your family members, what does that
look like with communication? Does the Sunshine Laws apply to the family members? So, let's just say if Okay. Unless they're acting as an intermediary. I couldn't send my brother, sister, wife, or other to If I was on the commission to interact with another communicator
another commissioner because that would be using an intermediary. If I can't do it one-on-one, I can't do it through some third party. Okay. And my second question is social media. I kind of Can you go over the social media piece again? So, if let's just say there's like public forum.
She comments, I comment. Is that a violation of Sunshine? It can be because it depends on the nature of the communication. I'll give you a perfect example. Let's suppose that I have a position. I'm a I'm a big poster on social media. I'm I'm not, but let's suppose for the sake of discussion I am and I'm in in favor of a specific
development. And the fact that I have announced it publicly means that a lot of people are now on my Facebook page saying, uh you know, this is this is a bad idea. They think it's terrible. Uh not that we have anybody here that like doesn't like develop. Everybody here likes development. I know cuz I listen. Um
but, you know, this could happen. And so, it starts a conversation that gets you drawn in. So, someone is saying, "Hey, well, Commissioner Anderson, how do you feel about it?" So, you go on there and say, "I just want you to know I don't agree with the poster. I think the poster is crazy. I think this development has some issues that we need to look at." I'm being careful how I
word it so I don't get you in a position on another issue, which is making a decision on a quasi-judicial matter before it comes here. I'm just now talking about Sunshine. But, let's suppose you engage in that discussion and say, "Well, may- maybe the apartment complex is too much for the area." Okay? >> [snorts] >> And then a different commissioner comes
on and says, "I love apartments. They're They're great." Now, is that a communication between not directly, but by the virtue of the post you're staking a position, someone else is taking a position, and you're communicating. And that is an issue that we know is coming before you or else it
wouldn't be on social media. That's a violation. But, it can also be done through Messenger. It can be done through private messages, all of which are discoverable and critically important. All of that stuff, if it deals with public business, is a public
record. And if you don't think we get records requests for your private messages, they aren't private. If they deal with public business, there is no such thing. It doesn't matter whether it's on your private phone, your private mail account, there is no such thing.
Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you, Attorney Shepherd. >> All right. We'll [snorts] be moving on to the consent agenda now or action item there. Uh is there anybody on the dais or from the public that have any questions specific to the consent agenda that we
need to pull? Yes. Um I have a question about Number seven. All right. Then we will pull that one. Uh that's specific to the uh agreement FDEP agreement uh replacement of asbestos cement and
galvanized drinking water pipes. So, I will look for a motion for approval of consent agenda items one through six. So moved. Uh moved by Commissioner Anderson. Uh second by Commissioner Barron. All in favor? I. All opposed?
Motion carries unanimously. Uh Number seven. >> Who? Ms. Sherman? I don't know why you sit all the way back there. >> [laughter] >> We love talking to you. Good afternoon, Mayor Commissioners. Good afternoon.
The item before you um is Dr. Russ the finance director to accept and execute FDEP L0126 original agreement in the amount of 1,057,500 for the Apopka replacement of asbestos cement and galvanized drinking water
pipes project. In regards Do you want me to give an overview or just >> No, that's okay for now. Was there any specific question if you can come address it so that anybody in the public uh that's watching online can um hear your question as well. Here it is. Um I want to address two issues. One is
being on the consent agenda, um I had one time heard a cap that a million dollars needed to be discussed and not put on a consent. I don't know if that has been changed, but that seems like an a discussable amount.
And so I would would think that you would want to discuss that high of an issue, um so that everyone could vote fairly. And then the second thing is is it says replacement asbestos cement galvanized drinking water pipes.
Now, are those um asbestos cement pipes is it going to be a CIPP, um a change in place where they're using like the felt uh resin pipe inserts, or is it going to be a replacement? If so, it needs to be worded properly. So, I don't know if
public works is going to address that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yes. Thank you, Dr. O. Um Mr. Simanovsky, public works director, this is going to be a complete replacement of the asbestos cement pipes. And the same thing with the galvanized
pipes. Okay. Thank you. And this is funded through a grant, correct? Yes. Yes, grant. 100% through a grant? Is there any match to this? There's no match. >> Okay. Uh Attorney Sheppard or Mr. Williams or Mr. Sherman, is there any type of limit that we currently have either through a policy or statutorily
on consent agenda item dollar amounts? >> I don't think I don't think we have a policy. There's definitely not a statutory uh limit on any of that stuff. Uh what makes an item on consent or off consent is generally whether it is something that requires further discussion. Like this this could be for example,
accepting a bid to place a certain number of police cars, which would well exceed a million dollars depending on the number of cars, but it could also be on consent. The the thing that makes it legal to have it on consent is the opportunity to pull it off by either one of you all or by the public Because
that's what matters. They have to have an opportunity to comment before a decision is made if they choose to. But if nobody from the public cares or wants to pull it off, that's why we ask the question, then it can proceed. Understood. Thank you for that clarity.
Any other questions? No. All right. Then I'll look for a motion to approve consent agenda item number seven. So moved. Uh moved by Vice Mayor Velasquez, second by uh Ruth. All in favor? Aye. Uh all opposed?
Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. The motion has passed unanimously. Repeat the >> We He did I did I did state that. I did. I'll I'll do that moving forward. Thank you. Uh so we're moving on to public hearing ordinances resolutions now. Um
this is project manager Dr. Sun. Uh if we can have the ordinance read, please. Ordinance number 3157. An ordinance of the City of Apopka, Florida amending the future land use element of the Apopka comprehensive plan of the City of Apopka
changing the future land use designation from residential low to mixed use for properties located at 171 West Orange Street and 15 North Washington Avenue owned by JBCV Residential Properties LLC comprising
0.9 acres more or less providing for severability, conflicts, and an effective date. Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioner. This is Dr. Jun Sun, planner at the Community Development Department. The applicant has requested a small-scale future land use amendment for the
properties located at 171 West Orange Street and 15 North Washington Avenue from residential low to mixed use. The total size of the properties is 0.9 acre and the current use is residential with a one single family house and one
town home building. The subject properties currently have a zoning of MUD, mixed use downtown, but the current future land use is residential low, allowing five dwelling units per acre. The requested future land use is mixed
use and it will make the future land use and future land use consistent with the current zoning. Mixed use land use allows 15 dwelling unit per acre or a 1.0 floor area ratio and the change of future land use
um will increase the properties density from four unit to 13 units. The properties are located in CRA community redevelopment agency overlay district. According to comprehensive plan future land use
element policy 3.1.R, areas within the CRA shall be allowed to have a mixed use future land use to encourage innovative land use techniques, um creative urban design, environmental protection, and the use of sustainable
development principle and practice. The comprehensive plan The policy states that mixed use land use allows a mixture of residential, office, commercial, industrial, recreation, institu-
institutional use, and public facilities used to serve the residential and non-residential needs of special areas of the city. The use can be permitted a single use, a vertical mixed use, or horizontal mixed use. Prope- Proposed use is the development
of two town home buildings for the total eight residential units. The plan on the slide is only a conceptual plan and the actual site plan or development plan has not been received yet. The land development code 3.6.3
mixed-use downtown zoning states that one of the purpose of mixed-use downtown zoning is higher density residential development and states um it states townhome dwellings. Uh please note that we are currently at the stage of making a decision on
changing the future land use of properties and approval of changing the future land use does not authorize the approval of any development. These are the images of the current building on the um on the properties.
The DRC recommended approval on February 18th and the planning commission unanimously recommended approval on April 14th. Um recommended motion is to accept the first reading of ordinance number 3157 and hold it over for the second reading
and adoption. Staff is available for any questions. Thank you for that overview. Any questions from commission? I I do. So, is the applicant here? Is Yeah. You can please May I ask just we're going to adjust this just a little bit. It is I'd like any questions I want the
applicant to come up at the end to be able to answer any questions with So, if you can just save that one. I'll come back up. Cuz I'll probably have like a combination of after I ask but that's fine Okay, and I don't mean to it's my goal just to let you know from kind of moving forward I want to try to keep our applicants conversations to 15
minutes moving forward as long as you have agreed to that. Just to make sure that we're moving time appropriately so we can do that now. I'm happy to do that. Whatever works best. If those were your questions So, I wouldn't know I probably would have more questions for him after I ask her questions. So, >> Understood.
I don't know if I could Go and do that now. Yeah. Yes. I apologize. We'll get this fixed. Yeah. Okay. I don't I'll see the cartoon as well. So, there is a So, yeah actually I have no questions for you right now. But I do have one for the applicant. But I guess you're going to wait to see if
anyone else have any questions for him. Yeah, the only the only thing I would tell Dr. June, thank you for providing me the date. And I I have to speak a little louder because uh I had a couple of residents say that they don't hear us very well. Um thank
you for providing the date of the DRC meeting. Um if you can make sure that in as we move forward, can you put that date on the um >> Step four. the agenda because sometimes I like to go back since it is recorded, I go to
YouTube and just kind of hear the discussion. And I didn't have a date. Yes. >> Um the other thing was that there's uh a conceptual plan and I understand it's conceptual and that it will come before us again, but um
there was just something that um I'm I'm not agreeing with on the conceptual plan, but I'll make that statement to the applicant after the applicant comes up. Okay. Uh just want to let you know that so anything residential development anything lower than 25 units will not
come back to the planning um public hearings. They are um only requires the administrative um approval process. >> So this will not come back to us. >> So if they after the approval of future land use, if they submit their development plan for for example like
eight residential units of town town home, then they will they don't have to come back for the public hearing. >> Okay. And we will have a second reading on this. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Any other questions for staff specifically right now? Uh I do. Um so in terms of of
the land use, now I understand it's um it's right now low density residential and they're asking to change that. Um and it is in our CRA area. Um and looking at this area, how are you
determining it is compatible with the area itself? And I understand there's the Elk's Lodge, there's also Wing down the street, there's a couple of buildings. But I'm just trying to
get a grasp in terms of understanding the comparable to the area. That sounds more like vision-related question. I'll defer that question to the planning manager. Okay, thank you. Good afternoon, Bobby Hall, planning manager. To answer your question,
Commissioner, we look at the compatibility with the surrounding area. Across the road, let me go back to the map. You'll see that the Yeah, the red is commercial. And that's just across the street. And then down up the southwest, there is a
non-residential use here. In addition to that, as Dr. Soon-Shiong had indicated, the comprehensive plan, the specific policy, states that any property that's within the CRA is eligible for this mixed-use future land use. So, it could be
I'll just randomly point to one right here, and they could do mixed use, and the comprehensive plan supports that. Thank you. >> Mhm. Any other questions for staff specifically yet? No. All right. I'd like to We have a one public comment, correct? Okay, let's do that, please.
Okay, so Lynette Anderson. My name is Lynette Anderson. I live at 170 West Magnolia Street, where I've lived for the last almost 13 years. Two of the major concerns of the incredibly dense use of a small piece of
property in this neighborhood are traffic and drainage. Both have been ongoing problems and this project will only increase those existing issues with neither seemingly addressed in the details of this proposal.
With these eight two-story, four-bedroom, two and a half bath, two-car garage units, there could be an increase of 16 to 20 plus vehicles accessing the intersection of West Orange and North Washington. Granted,
not all at the same time, but any increase is too much. Although the information provided shows the tract size as um plus or minus 0.9 acres, that's the entire property including the rental at 15 North Washington.
The actual size allotted for both the eight townhouses and the section for additional parking is only approximately 0.64 acres, barely more than 1/2 acre allotted for the townhouses. Also noted in the proposed density, which would
allow 15 dwelling units per acre versus the current zoning, which I believe allows only five dwelling units per acre. At the initial meeting, the term gentrification was used repeatedly. The definition being the process in which a
poor area of the city is improved by an influx of middle-class or wealthy people who renovate and rebuild homes and businesses resulting in an increase in property values and displacement of usually poor residents.
This explains why the applicant repeatedly mentioned the garbage homes in my neighborhood. The significant increase in value of my home in nearly the nearly 13 years I've owned it is in no way due to gentrification.
At the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, only one question was raised by the committee, a legitimate question of whether this project is ready to go. The applicant The applicant's response was tentative and unclear. She stated that she is a a
general contractor. I hope that that the applicant's thoughts that these units that these units would sell for 3 to 400,000 dollars would come to be. Hopefully, we'll learn what what true benefit this plan will provide to the
rest of the neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Okay. All right, let's invite the applicant up um to address and we can just set that that timer, please. Trying to stay on track as much as possible. >> Yes. Okay. Um so, what we can do here is Commissioner Anderson, if you'd like to
start with any questions specifically you had and obviously feel free to bring the staff up as well. So, could you in regards to some of the things that the that the residents say that there's some concerns you have, could you address some of those concerns in regards to the drainage and also the traffic? Look at the Well, I saw it.
But I want to change it. Yeah, I saw it. In the conceptual plan, I have some extra I have some extra parking. But that also could be used for drainage. But typically, that's done, you know, during during your plan set with your topography maps. So, the idea is that you won't create any drainage problems
for other people. It will all be on site. That's generally how most of construction is done these days. So, drainage is actually handled for that lot and for that lot only. As for traffic, you know, I did take that into consideration and that's why there was a one in and one out and those could be
interchanged, too. Like, there's not like that's pretty close though to what we'd like to build. But there's still it can still be maneuvered. It can still be finesse. We can It can go in in this way, out that way. I mean, you know, we're kind of very open with
that. We're not trying to do any negative impact on the community. More units means more affordable housing. So, this is an affordable housing project. It's not an affordable housing project. >> Okay. When you say affordable, what what are going to be the price ranges were you thinking? Well, we're still looking
into some grants. I know that my client is, so that's one of the goals is to potentially be applying for some of those things. But, there's a lot of different criteria to go through and until it's and a lot of this is up for discussion if if you know, if there's grants and there's can be that. I mean,
it's it's not all set in stone. It's it's flexible. Whatever is best for the community. I mean, my my client's not trying to do something that's going to adversely affect the community. They're just trying to develop on their lot. And whether or not they do four units or they do eight units, like you know, they're built
they're into development. They're going to develop. So, the question is do what do you want to see on that? Like, what can we do on that? You know, when you can do more units, you can offer up that product for less money. You know, that's that's part of it. So.
I don't know if that addresses your question. So. I think Okay. Yeah, you you said I told them that the drainage of the area was not part of our meeting. That was at the community meeting. Well, no. I said that
Yeah. When you had the community meeting, obviously that was a concern. Was there an engineer from your side to at least give them some kind of information or we just relying on the city's engineer?
Well, individual lots generally don't um don't look at like all the drainage around cuz that's usually done by public works. Even if I wanted to as a developer on one lot, change the drainage that's already existing, like it's not even on it's just not something that's generally done. All I said was
that all the drainage issues in that area on that lot would be addressed to not have any adverse effect on any of the neighbors. I said that I'm not sure about the rest of it because I'm not public works. So, I said it's not part of this project cuz I'm not public works. I said that that the drainage
would be handled for this lot, though. Okay. And so that it wouldn't adversely. And right now, you know, a lot of these empty lots, a lot of them are just going with the flow of things. When you put development on it, all development is supposed to be self-contained. So, that's just the general principle for drainage. That's all I was trying to
explain. So, were you the only one at the community meeting? Yeah. Okay. And no one else from the development or K uh Who else would I So, what how do you represent the the
development? I do I do architectural work and I do site development and when I do when I do single-family homes, for example, we have to do drainage calculations and they it all has to be on site. It's, you know, you have to make sure that your your water is not
going to go on to anybody else's. So, drainage is always handled on the lot. And I do this all the time, so I've never I just never had this kind of like I've never I've never been asked about the surrounding area other than my lot in any permanent situation. Okay. Well, welcome to Apopka. Yep. Yep.
>> [laughter] >> Uh the other question was on the conceptual site, I did see that you had the driveway 20 ft. Um and and that one I saw I saw it was 20 ft on your conceptual site. And that was the only thing that I kind of the
question was that 20 ft is too short. Um you know, a lot of residents have, you know, F-150s, these super trucks. And um and being that this is going to be a rear uh parking. And so, I know
that the fire department had addressed being able and even our uh sanitation uh to address the accessibility to be able to go into the rear um, in case of an emergency, but when you have a resident that has a truck that's
overflowing the 20-ft, um, driveway, then it creates a problem. So, rather than, um, not address that from the very beginning, that was the only concern that I had, um, which was the 20-ft, uh, driveway. Yeah, I'd I'd happy be happy
to sit down and like with transportation engineering and see if we can't come up with some kind of solutions for that. Absolutely. So, the only Because it's a rear parking and I just want to make sure that at all times that our fire department, the police department, and
our sanitation have the ability to drive through without someone's truck either over the 20-ft or someone using the that area for parking. Right. And And there's different things that we could put into place that they know know
know ticking ticket could be given, you know, if your if your truck is over, but a standard garage is 20 by 20, which fits most large kind of capacity trucks. I mean, I know there might be some I'm not familiar with like the super cab you super like, you know, I the largest one on the road, but I mean,
typically in all of planning, usually it's given 20-ft is is ample space for any vehicle. Well, I did address that with our staff. So, I guess at the time when it comes to them for some kind of, uh, you know, they'll review it. That was an issue that I I, um, I did ask
them to look into it. [clears throat] That can definitely be be discussed like it could could add another foot to the garage so that the garages are a little deeper. Could could make the back a little bit, you know, there's not a whole bunch of room with that, definitely can can be moved and maneuvered like, but just from a
conceptual plan, these the townhouses as they are, they kind of they're already kind of tight and I get that, you know, there's not a whole bunch of room with the buildings themselves, so, but on the site, there's definitely a lot of a lot of you know, things that can be adjusted and and I'd be certainly happy during the
during um permitting to sit down with, you know, any of your transportation cuz I submit a plan to them and they come back and they say, "No, we would like this to be 22 ft instead." And then I go, "Okay." And then I adjust it and bring it back. So, definitely can do any of that. Well,
I thank you. I thank you for um the response. Thank you. I'm done. Commissioner Worth? Are you currently aware that um that if you look at it if you look at the concept plan that you've um put before us, do you know how many
structures are there now? There's like two right now. Did you know how many were there previously or total? I I didn't do a deep dive into the history of it. The the east of it and behind it, do you know how many structures are in those
locations? Um I'm how Well, I'm just looking at them at your concept plan here in the map. The the adjacent properties, the ones that are directly north of this. The ones that are right behind it.
>> behind it. They would be north. Mhm. And the the property to the east, so there's one east. Mhm. And there's three behind. Right. >> Which would be north. Okay. And then right in the middle of that, your
proposal is to put eight? Mhm. Towards the street and and yeah, away from those properties. >> On the same size lot. I I guess I'm a little confused as to the question. >> Well, I'm just saying the the the the
surrounding neighborhoods, the houses around it are of single story. Mhm. They are one structure per lot. Yeah. >> And then in this corner, there would be
eight assembled, but it would be multi-story. So, It would be two-story, which would be which would be consistent with the two-story homes in the area. >> There is no two-stories in that area. In the area a larger >> Not not there. I mean, maybe not right beside it, but
>> every house around this is a single story with the exception of the one over on the corner. To the west of it and a little further north. And and pardon me, I I I'm just I'm trying to understand the two-story thing because there's if if this
doesn't get passed like another a two-story is going to go up in its place. Like, that's standard construction the Not necessarily. I mean, uh if this doesn't get passed, you know, three more units could be put here of single story. >> Well, but they might be they might be
double story. Like, that's it's a little bit more efficient with covering your ground space. >> not talking about efficiency. I'm talking about uniformity that the neighborhood that's around it. Well, I can say that the alternate plans for this do include two-story units, which
would be permittable during permitting. >> I think it's I'm just I guess >> The current the the the current configuration, you could put three units on it. Right, but it might be it might be the single family home and two more duplexes that are two-stories
up front. But it's still it would be uni- it would still fit the profile what's currently there. Is that not a fair statement? The one-story or the two-story? I'm sorry. >> Well, the vacant lot that was there, that was a two-story. Right.
Yeah, it was torn down, right? >> torn down many years ago. So, now it's a vacant lot. Right. The one to the west of it is a single story. Right. >> And then the one behind it is a single story. A lot of new construction is is two-story. I'm just trying to
encourage you to stay with the the the concept plan currently exists. Um because outside of the the neighbors that are currently here, they're long-time residents. But the surrounding
tenants that are around this are not long-term residents. They're Uh let let's just say the the people that own the houses uh that's more of a boarding house.
Uh the ones that are directly adjacent to it. Okay. Um but on smaller lots, typically they are two-story. So, whether or not it's it's this or another one,
it will probably still be two-story. And I guess I I guess it Can we address just like Is there an issue with two-story buildings? >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm I'm just the number. The It's a numbers thing with me. I'm leaning to this to the shorter end of the scale instead of the upper end. Right. And I
And I I I I do understand that. But when areas are redeveloped and you want to add density to have city services high closer together and walkable area This is This fits the traditional town planning. Traditional
town planning typically goes from commercial to um mixed-use townhomes, and then it goes into single family. So, you already have commercial in that area. It's already been designated as mixed-use. >> I'm still trying to to slow down the
encroachment to this area is what I'm trying to infer. Yeah, and I and I totally respect that, and I understand that. Um and and and alternatively, this is eight units with a a eight more tax tax base. It's It's
development moving forward. It's I mean, this is to create a walkable community, right? That That you're putting at the eyes back on the street. I mean, I followed what your vision was, but the planners like that's all I have to do to go from as a as a as a developer, right? As a planner, as an architect. The only
thing that I generally have to go through in order to find out what I can do on a lot is I go to the planning standards. I go to the planning development and I see what they're looking for. So, in Vision 2020, everybody is doing different things. So, I looked to what their plan was and then
I developed around it. >> The planning vision that was promoted to you to you as recommending more higher density areas and you know, walkable spaces. And the I'm just trying to see where this vision you're speaking of vision I've never
heard of. Um >> So, I'm just trying to say where I'm I'm trying to Mhm. You know, this is a teachable moment for me. >> Yeah, well, okay. I'm I'm I do I just don't want to step I mean, I'm not I I am not the I'm not a planner at at the
city of Apopka. And I I've worked with planning and for many decades in in multiple jurisdictions and just typically what happens is the planning um department in your city does
typically represent what everybody is trying to kind of go towards whether or not it's trying to create a robust city center, you know, with bikes and people walking and and encouraging businesses to come and to come into your community, right? Density actually encourages all
those things. And putting the garages behind, that fits more with the traditional town planning and there is a commercial area around. If you look at all the orange, there's a bunch of commercial around there. And typically the mixed use and the townhouses would provide a buffer
between. So, I understand what you're saying, but part of development growth on a larger scale is that you go from commercial and then you go into a mixed use kind of higher density and then you move into single family. So, that's kind of like how things kind of have if you ever notice like the old
older older cities like you go into them and you know you got your street side with all the businesses and then you go into your four and then you go into your three and then you go into your two and then you go into your single family. So, I understand that this is not typical of what's around there, but from my understanding to see development come in
here and create you know development in here because and I understand people want to slow down development. I I totally understand that. Like this isn't a 10-story 240-unit homeless shelter that's going to bring in thousands of people. Like it's it's a
it's a If we can, I just want to we got to keep keep this moving forward. Are there any additional questions on your end specifically Commissioner Baron? Uh thank you. Um and so I reviewed the um the PRC uh meeting and there you were not sure of whether or not you
were going to be the the contractor on this project. Are you still in that not sure if you're going to be the general contractor on this on this project? So, I I have um been building for over 20 years now and I'm looking to
slow down a little bit and part of my my own personal business plan is that um I maybe have another contractor that I'm working with that does 80% of it and then I'll do like 20% of it. My whole thing is to do the design and keep the aesthetics up and not to do the cheap stuff and not to do the you know to make
it actually a quality you know construction. So, my plan in this one is to be involved in it, but maybe not be the the general contractor. Okay. Is that Um and so you know I I've been in Apopka for 14 years and I drive up and down Orange Street
to get to Tractor Supply when it um to get to downtown, to get to everything in that area. I've watched homeowners do amazing things to each of their homes, improving that area cuz that's a major corridor. Um it it literally leads us to one of
like three or four of our oldest houses in Apopka. Um and it for me it's it's it's a staple. Um respectfully, I I think your units are aesthetically beautiful, um but I don't think they fit in this area. And the
reason being is because there is yes, there is that combination of mixed use. Mhm. Um but aesthetically, it it won't I feel it won't fit. Now, what I would like to see Mhm. is perhaps maybe a
couple of homes, maybe kind of kind of caddy-corner maybe four homes caddy-corner on the lots um that perhaps are more towards the CD uh this CBG type grant homes where it's single-family, a family
if it's if the end result is to provide affordable housing and be aesthetically pleasing to the neighborhood, I would rather see something like that. Um where it's providing something a little bit more beautiful
that we could enjoy of going down that road. Um and respectfully also ca- um have our residents in mind that live in this street. Um cuz I respectfully cannot
agree to putting a a high density like this there. Now, that's not saying you can't use it. It's just saying let's find something else that perhaps would be better aesthetically placed in that area. >> Yeah, cuz it is the CRA. Yeah. And that
would be just to continue on with single family. Is that what >> Yes. Yes. But in a more aesthetically pleasing to where it's still providing that walkable cuz I agree with you in terms of the CRA needing that walkable area.
And that area doesn't have sidewalks. So we would need something I was it had did not get updated but I was thinking of putting the sidewalk, you know, going all the way around the corner on the property. That's See, there there are different things that we
can do with this and where there's like in between. If you want to see a nicer like front yard aesthetics if maybe that that's totally I'd sit down with I'd sit down with whoever and be like, how would you like to see this done? What kind of things can we do to make this beautiful, right?
And um versus not doing the eight because I know that doing the eight makes this project financially feasible which I know is nothing about this meeting, okay? But I'm just saying that that being able to do eight allows for doing a little bit nicer. I'm I My fear for
this would be that doing four single family homes would be the cheapest of the cheap and it'd just be another thing that kind of comes out. This might elevate it a little bit more and I'd be happy to like work with us. That's the benefit of me being the 20% in there to be like I'm just a designer. Like I don't build it, you build it, right?
Like it's and and so cuz I mean I also don't want to do if if this becomes four single family homes, I don't even know I want to do it. I don't want to do four I I I'm interested in this because I believe in in in higher density and and this is adding
three more, well, I guess technically four more units to it. To that's four units. It's not 10. It's not 100. And so these kind of projects like they kind of excite me a little bit more because I can do more with it. I can put more trees. I can tell my client, "No, uh-uh.
If you're going to do this, you have to do like this. You have You know, it has to be nicer. It has to be." But, honestly, I'm I'm just being honest with it. If it is for single family, I'm not sure because I'd be more worried that those single families would actually come at a cost of aesthetics. >> Okay, let's start to land this plane now. Do you have any other questions?
>> No, that's all. Okay. Perfect. Well, I appreciate the time. Um is there any questions after that discussion for staff at all? Okay. So, I'm looking to for a motion for ordinance number 3157. To either approve, deny, table. Um I
move to deny the to deny ordinance number 3157 first reading small scale future land use amendment 171 West Orange Street and 15 North Washington Ave. Uh moved by Commissioner
Anderson for denial. Uh seconded by uh Commissioner Ruth. All in favor? I. I. All opposed? Uh that motion carries unanimously. All right, thank you. So, we will move on now to uh what do we
administrator's report. Thank you, Mayor. Uh commission, welcome. Uh two quick updates for >> Sorry, let me jump in real quick. Yeah. We moved the agenda around you guys from normal, so I wanted to get administrator's first, uh attorney, and we can move that around and then have the commissioners jump in. So, just a
little change there. Thank you. Sorry about that. Uh two quick updates for you. One is uh surrounding the turtle incident at the Northwest Recreation Complex. I've got an additional update from staff regarding the pond sampling and ongoing efforts uh in regards to the unfortunate
incident. Uh recently uh lab sampling confirms the presence of a cyanobacterial algae bloom at the pond, which is also known to be capable of producing toxins. Uh the testing detected uh microcystin at a low level, which fell between the lab's detection and quantitation limits,
meaning it was present but at a level that cannot be precisely measured. All other tested cyano- cyanotoxins were not detected. An algae bloom can occur when there is an overgrowth of algae in a water body, typically caused by excess nutrients such as nitrogen and phosphorus. Warm temperatures, sunlight, and low
water movement can also contribute to bloom conditions. Additionally, the city contacted the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission along with their research institute immediately once the turtles were discovered so they can get conduct an investigation including culture-based
analysis testing of some of the deceased turtles. Staff has followed up with Florida Fish and Wildlife Research Institute and actually just got another update from them. I'll go ahead and read that email. Their statement on the situation reads, "FWC staff have been on site at the
Apopka pond and collected samples for further testing. Preliminary analysis identified cyanobacterial, also known as blue-green blue-green algae, in water samples from the site. However, its role in the cause of death remains inconclusive. Additional samples are still being
processed and results may take several more weeks." It goes on to state that public's encouraged to report sick or strangely behaving freshwater turtles to the FWC to help monitor any situations. The city does maintain the pond on a
monthly routine maintenance plan for herbicide treatments and quarterly treatment of pond dye. The pond fountain has also been down for repair and staff are working with our fountain contractor to get the necessary repairs completed and get the pond fountain back up and running. Staff will continue to monitor the
situation closely and will provide any additional updates as more information becomes available. And I will certainly share that with the commission. Yeah, absolutely. Is there any question? I'm sure we've seen it on the news and things of that nature and I apologize that information hasn't been flowing again as quick as we would like on our end. Some of it was outside of
our control. So, just getting updated on that. Is there any questions um specific to that that maybe we can get an answer to? We may not have it right now. Do we have anything posted by the lake just to kind of forewarn our residents not to take their dogs or their children around
the lake? Yes, so we do have uh since that is a pond that does have reuse water in it. Now, we do not take any water outside of that pond right now. It all just sits in that pond. Um there are permanent signs that state, you know, no drinking, no swimming, those type of
things because it is a reclaimed pond. Um we have also posted temporary signage uh with the health department notice as well. Okay. Uh Mr. Williams, uh so do we have a a public notification on our website on
the city's website um so that way the public is aware. And perhaps if they're not at the park, they can see it on social media. Um at least acknowledging that this is the findings that that the uh the the F the F W the F W
the F W the F W C has uh brought forward. >> I believe we did put notice as soon as the health department information was made public. Um we can go ahead and update with this latest statement that we have from FWC and make sure that's updated. Perfect. And do we have a timeline on the fountain? Like when will
that be repaired or Um we've uh our utilities operations staff actually I think the contractor was out today again. Um I'm Glenbrook Utilities Operations Director. Uh we did have Cascade uh fountains uh uh yesterday evening. I think they're
coming out today to pull the pumps. Uh it's going to be um we're probably going to be coming back to you guys with finance and making it an emergency because if not we'd have to get three quotes cuz we're expecting the price to be over the the 49,000 cuz it's two two motors down. So, uh I hope to have a
timetable by the end of this week. I'll let you know and what will be on that. And again, it's it's important that we we probably would have to move this thing up and not get the three bids so we can get it done quicker. And that would definitely help with the DO and stuff out there keep water moving and
stuff. So, that's kind of where we at. I hope that answered your question. Thank you. Excellent. Excellent. Great. Next, just a brief update on the utility meter replacement program. As of the end of the month of April,
utility operations and utility billing teams have reduced the estimated billings down now to 7% which if you're looking at the raw numbers, that's 2,023 bills out of our 29,713 total bills for the month or accounts for the month. Uh
this is a reduction of 478 estimated bills from the month prior. And again, just want to thank the staff on both of those teams and those departments for the continued work on the project. They are making a positive impact and it's not it's it's it's hard work. There's a lot of work that goes into this.
Additionally, Mayor Ernesta has asked staff to complete a review and assessment of the back billing processes and procedures as concerns have been brought forward on those respects from customers. This process has already begun and further updates will be communicated when available. Yeah, so I don't know if you've seen it.
I'm sure you've seen on social media that and we've heard this for for years now, residents are getting rather large bills that once their meters are finally replaced in whatever capacity that looks like. So, we definitely hear the residents on that and we're discussing internally all the options and then we can bring that to you guys from there what that
looks like and and what makes the most sense and what's equitable to the the residents as well. Any questions on that at all? No, we're still getting emails from from residents who all of a sudden are getting their new bills and very high.
We're definitely prioritizing that and making that something as As we have any updates or anything, it'll definitely be communicated in that capacity. Mr. Williams, anything else? That's it, Mayor. Thank you. Uh City Attorney? Yes, briefly uh I want to bring to your attention, will not go into detail about
it today, but the legislature passed bill SB 1134 and it was signed into law by the governor. It goes into effect on January 1 of 2027 and it prohibits basically any money coming from government or otherwise endorsement from
government of anything that even remotely resembles DEI. There's a lot of things that could go into the discussion about this matter, but you it will certainly be impactful on your budget discussions and future things and what you can and can't fund. And um I've been told to stop talking
about it at this point until we know more, but just know that it's important. What was the SB? SB 1134. Right. Um right, that was discussed at the agenda review and that is going to affect even our individual discretionary
accounts. It absolutely will and the penalties for violating are significant. Yes. And And I know we I I guess we uh This is interesting because will this also affect um some of the things that the city like our MLK parade?
Uh national holidays are exempt. >> Uh but to the extent the the activity it's sort of hard to answer because it says you cannot provide support for DEI concepts with no real explanation of what that would be. Uh I think there will be challenges, I I would assume, on
constitutionality, but I just have to go off of what the law has now. I don't know what a DEI concept is. I can give you some thoughts about what it might be um as an example um if if you were to support an organization that
uh runs a Juneteenth festival, but as a part of the Juneteenth festival, they run a job fair for minorities how to apply and so forth and so forth how to present yourself for job. Is that a DEI concept? Well, depend on who you ask. Are we giving money that goes to that? If we are, that
potentially is a problem and that's why this law is a problem. But again, I've been warned not to preach on this one because I certainly could. I think it's a terrible law. Thank you for that. I think that's definitely going to take a lot more communication especially as we work through budgets.
It really is going to correct a lot of what we do and how we work with the residents. So that that one's a that one's a big one. Anything else, Attorney Shepherd? No, sir. Thank you. I will go into my report. As you can see obviously we've been
changing some things up. I'm trying to add additional transparency and and updates on kind of where my head is at what we've been working on. I want to say first thank you to staff for welcoming me the way that you guys have. Truly appreciate it the hours and hours of meetings. Genuinely appreciated
to update me and and I've asked staff to make sure to update with you guys all the meetings and any information you guys have or need or want, please do not hesitate to reach out to staff. They're here to work with you and get any and all information that
you may want out there. So please in whatever capacity it looks like for you guys, please do. I want to say congratulations to our new commissioner as well. I think the public is excited for what is to come. I do want to recognize former Commissioner Smith is in the room. So
thank you for being here today. I also Mrs. Bone, it's her birthday today. So happy birthday. Let me see here. So for monthly workshops, let me jump into that one now. My my goal here is to allow opportunities the second meeting of the month or first
or both to provide a and we can structure this however we want. 30 minute opportunity so it's an hour long. 30 The first 30 minutes will be for commissioners to bring anything that they would like to discuss. So any agenda items that you guys want to see on the agenda, kind of pressure test and
talk with the department heads to see any additional information they have and it can range from anything and everything and then the the public can kind of give their feedback as well to hey we like that idea. Hey let's change it this way and then we can decide not on that specific night's agenda but on the following agenda hey this is going to be on it. So it gives kind of some
runway for for the commissioners to provide an opportunity to get whatever agenda item that is specific to you or specific to the community discussed in a very open manner and and all I would ask I guess is if there's items that maybe you do want to discuss
either present at the meeting beforehand just to say hey I want to discuss new parks. Great. So our minds can kind of get in that mindset but at the same time it's okay if you don't. We can discuss it at that meeting. Then the second 30 minutes would be to have the public come in and have a little longer of a a comment
period. 5 to 6 minutes and that would allow them to have a little more dialogue than if it's something that's not just a comment but it needs some back and forth either with department heads, with us, with our city attorney, with Mr. Williams, with anybody. It allows that that dialogue there so we can
discuss that more so if you're open to having this first workshop to discuss if we want more workshops. That I guess is my question if you guys are open to it for May 20th to do that before the the next meeting either at 5:30 6:00 on May 20th. Is that something
you guys are open to willing to do? Sounds good. Okay. That sounds good. So what happened to May 13th? I'm getting to that. Oh okay. >> [laughter] >> So this would be 5:20. Correct. Yes. The hour before and do we want to do it at 5:30 to 6:30 then give
a 30 minute gap to I I guess it depends on deciding to change the time of the commission meetings I think. >> Correct. And that's what we can discuss at that workshop as well. So that's yes. So for now we're going to keep everything as it is and then I want to make it so that it's not on our reports and I want it as an agenda item any of those changes that we're going to make.
So we'll get to the workshops and we can discuss the the meeting times and all that. Are you saying 5:30 on May 20th? >> Does that work Mr. Williams, does that work for staff and does that provide enough time just so we're not running right up to the next meeting in case it goes a little over? Yeah, I think from staff standpoint we can make
either those work. Uh 5:30 would be Or would 5:00 work better? 5:00 minutes transition. What was the Oh, got you. Okay, 5:00 minutes I got I understand. So if you wanted to do a a 6:00 to 7:00 and it'd be just a quick transition or if you want a little bit more time to have a break between there 5:30 6:30.
>> just don't like backing right up to the meeting just in case we go longer. So let's do a 5:30 to 6:30, does that work for everyone? Okay, 5:30 to 6:30. Okay. And then again, we can adjust things as we want to once we get there and see if it's clunky or doesn't work or we can adjust it. So that'll be our first one. Let's
figure out some things there. Any comments? Uh city attorney just was wondering if you would like him to attend those meetings. Yes, please. Thank you. Okay, so that's 5:30 6:30 workshop. >> Yes, we're good on that. Any questions?
Um will you provide something to the staff to eat? Yes, I will do that. Absolutely. Okay. >> I will happily do that. Um cuz I know this can be long and and I'll tell you too uh well I'll I'll deal with that on the third one. So I do want to have a preliminary budget workshop
and let me apologize as well. Uh when I discussed that staff has been very eager to to work with me and work with some of my initiatives here. So uh we we jumped the gun a little bit to set it out there cuz I wanted you guys' approval first before we actually set this date. I understand that'll be your birthday. So I apologize.
>> okay. Uh so I the the goal of this budget workshop is to just have a very high-level preliminary discussion with each department and and they will be on timers as well uh making sure that we're we're not going too long in this cuz it's not a deep dive unless you guys have specific questions that you may
have. So, what this will allow is some longer range visions for each department. Hey, we're going to need some major project in year three, so we need to start budgeting now little by little so that we're not surprised by year three and having big changes on the budget. So, that'll be just for us to again see high level new staff, new
equipment, any CIP stuff. Just allow that and there will be some public comment on that as well to and to to provide feedback and let us know, hey, we're in the right direction, wrong direction, we like that, we don't like that. Um So, as long as you guys are okay with that, we will do it the 13th. >> Yep. Again, it's going to be high high
high level. This is not deep dives or anything, but it allows us to provide feedback uh for our our departments to finalize some of their preliminary budgets, which their their preliminary budgets are due May 22nd back to the finance department. So, it gives them a little time that if you
guys provide feedback and say, hey, we don't want to prioritize that or we do want to prioritize this because that's what residents are talking with you about, then then they're allowed they're able to adjust that. So, that's the goal on that one. We'll do that May 13th, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. then as long as that works for everybody. It works. Excellent. And then
last one is just city commission meetings dates and times. So, this is going to be part of the that workshop that we'll discuss. This is I'm not um We don't have to change anything. I just want to be able to have a discussion. If we want to change it, we can. So, it's both between the days that we have them
and the times that we have it. Do we want both evening meetings? Do we want both afternoon meetings, which I wouldn't recommend. Do we want them on Tuesdays, Monday nights, switch around? So, I'm open to It's basically just to have that discussion, see what maybe works best for the residents, for us, for staff,
and just have feedback. We don't have to change anything or we can change everything. So, it's just it's it's just some feedback there just get your minds right on kind of what what makes the most sense, what you're hearing from the residents on how we can best serve them through that. Um any questions on that part at all? No.
Excellent. I got two more and then I'll be done. Uh I did want to update on um some priorities that I've really been spending a lot of time in meetings on recently. Uh the Golden Gem Pond out on Golden Gem, that's a big one for us. I don't know if it's been circulated or
not, but we do have uh we are under a consent order on that as of mid-March. So, uh we are working with uh the governing agencies right now to get a tight timeline together and and get that pond up and running properly. There has been money budgeted for it and
we'll be doing a more specific uh presentation of this to really get you the details. Uh but we're still somewhat high level and there's some approvals that need to be coming from government some governing agencies to truly understand what their expectations of us are and then we can provide the plan and make sure that everybody's in agreement understands where we're at, where we're
going with that. Um then Kelly Park Road, the the uh Pioneer agreement. Thank you, the Pioneer agreement. That one That's the That was a big one. Uh that that one we got a lot of work on that. I think we're in a good spot. I'll be able to provide an update in the near future on that one. Um we are navigating
some provisions within that agreement that make sure that we get a road. At the end of the day, we need a a road that serves the residents and I've articulated that to everybody involved and so I think we're heading in the right direction. I'll be able to provide a little more of an update once we get something a little more solid right now.
Also, on any of these items, if you want a more in-depth conversation with staff, please have it all day, every day. Anything you need to ask, please do. My last one is uh a small change that I'm really just impressed with staff that they're going to that they've agreed to do is we're going to be moving our agendas um they're going to be out a
week in advance now. So, if you need to meet with staff beforehand, it provides a little more time to um meet with the residents, talk to them and then also to talk about any agenda items. So, if you want to have a agenda review Thursday, Friday versus that Monday, Tuesday being shoved into that timeline, it just opens up a little bit
more and be able to discuss things. So, it's really just trying to have a little bit of quality of life with the commissioners, the residents, and and then staff. I I appreciate I know it's going to take a little change, but you guys are are have been doing incredible, so I appreciate that. So, anything else? No, that one was good. Yeah, that's good
with That's that. Yes. I didn't want to stop you when you >> You should have. What is wrong with me? >> He was already into it. I just let you go. I am so I apologize. >> I just let him go. I just I had too many notes. That's my fault. All right. So, I
apologize. Um I am so sorry, guys. That is so rude. What a terrible way to start. I am so sorry. What we'll do for this as well for commissioner reports. I am so sorry. >> [laughter] >> It's going to similar to what we do for the invocation, it's kind of rotate seats every single time starting with seat one, going to seat two, three, and
then four, and then going right back up. So, Commissioner Ruth, anything for us? >> [laughter] >> I'm just so Yeah, hit your mic as well. I'm just so excited to see you do this. It just overwhelming, you know, just sitting here listening to something new
and very vibrant coming from the dais. >> Thank you. I really appreciate this. >> [applause] >> As you can hear, it's great to appreciate it. I also wanted the people that uh that came up here and you know, I I appreciate the the kind words you
said. I I do know this, you definitely going to hold us to task and and I appreciate that. I appreciate you giving them the opportunity. Nothing's really changed on that that front and and I like that. But, I do want to uh
kind of move into a you know, it was so good to hear that the the lady speak in reference to the property that we were doing because there was so much shared in that and and if with your permission, I'd like to make a motion that we kind of
uh step back uh re-evaluate our our P&Z board. Uh thank all the members on it for their dedication to the city and their service. But, I would really hope that we could
uh have a serious deep thought and committed drive from the dais to select people that share the vision that we also share for the city. Uh collectively from these nominees, we can select some people that are going to also share the thoughts and visions that
we do so as we don't get in this tug-of-war at the dais every time we come in here. You know, I would like to see every council member here select uh a nominee that that we as a whole pick from the group and make sure that they fit uh
what we're looking forward to fulfill those slots. But, in in that, I also want to uh encourage all the previous members to reapply. Um I'm not shutting the door on that because I like that. Um there's a lot of wealth and knowledge
that we don't want to lose there, but we need to get a P&Z board that shares our vision. So, as this doesn't become a uh uh uh you know, a back and forth every time we get up there and we actually get ambushed by the the numbers in in the room.
Absolutely. Can we if possible if in agreement bring that to the next workshop and we can discuss that up front? And then we can What I think we should do is is somewhat create a policy of or maybe update the policy, maybe that's what we need to look at. So, as long as you're okay with that, we'll add that to that that workshop agenda on the 20th.
Well, what what I kind of want to do is with your permission, can we at least halt what they're doing until after we do our workshops and where we're going now? So, as you know, cuz I've been elected for a month and a half now. This is first
open conversation I've had and you it was one this time, but they've had a you know, by this by the end of this month, that's 2 months that they're ahead of me. And I'm going to be on defense coming straight out of the shoot. So, as best can we put it on put
the brakes on it? Let me ask what when's our next P&Z board meeting? It is Tuesday night. Oh, thanks. At 5:30, it's already been advertised and publicly noticed. Okay, so let me ask you this though. I guess what I'm Next Tuesday.
Does this run into Attorney Shepherd's um uh SB 180 language that's nice and ambiguous and are we hurting developers by delaying them in some capacity that It's not a new rule regulation change in
the code, but if you were to do some of those things, yes. And also, you know, to Commissioner Reese's suggestion about planning board, I have no problem having people be there that are aligned, but they still have to follow the same law. 100%. >> The law does not change.
No, agreed. Agreed. Totally agree. So, Can we do that? Are we So, you So, you What's your direct advice? Can we postpone that or can we not? >> Yes, because you're it's you're not making a law or you're not putting in a moratorium, you're simply saying we're going to have a workshop to discuss the
issue of how we're going to deal with planning a planning and board and so forth. So, that shouldn't delay or postpone anything. >> Okay. Commissioners, are are you comfortable with that? >> In addition to that, so we currently don't we have to remove them off the aren't they appointed for a 2-year term? That's a whole other issue that I assume
I will be ready to discuss at the workshop. quit and we can't just keep 3 years, right? So, they're appointed. So, I don't think we can just go and just remove all of them and stop >> I'll put together the procedures if that's what you choose to do. Just to educate us. That'll help us understand. So, at the workshop we need to get >> Okay, so in the meantime, let's pause
that. We'll workshop it one way or the other, but just let's pause, workshop it, and then move forward from there. So, just so I understand, do you want us to proceed with the Planning Commission meeting on Tuesday night? >> No, let's We're going to postpone that. >> We'll notify the applicants then. Okay. Thank you.
Anything else? Um I appreciate that the courtesy of that. I you know, I've I've read the charter, you know, left and right. So, you know, and I'm sure with with with this concept that that we'll get the best legal advice we can get and how we can move forward, but
Perfect. Vice Mayor. Commissioner Ford. Um other than to say um kind of did uh what uh Commissioner Ruth said that we're excited. You can feel it. Um it's all new here and uh
first I want to say thank you uh for the office space. >> [laughter] >> I went in and it just felt really nice to have a place that I can kind of call home. Um I'm sure Susan will be happy, our City Clerk, because I kind of always
go up to her office and and kind of occupy a little space, and she's been very generous in in uh in allowing me to do so. So, Susan, I'll be moving to my own office. >> [laughter] >> And uh that's basically it other than
that we all have uh graduations coming up. Um and I appreciate that you are going to keep us um as you said, kind of in the in the loop with invitations, community events. Um I did get an email today from
uh a resident and someone who's very heavily involved with the Sistrunk uh club, and basically um she responded to a post where I had said thank you uh for the office space, and and uh what will the mayor, and this is what you
wrote, what will the mayor and commissioner office hours be? So, I will let you know that once we set up the office, then I can have a regular day where I'm going to have commissioner hours. But up until now, we didn't have
that. I had to rely on the interim CAO and seeing if the conference room was available, so I couldn't be consistent. Although I know that you had one day there, but it you know, it's kind of hard to always say the same day
the same day and time. Sometimes, you know, even our schedules are kind of busy. So, but now with an office, it's easier to go from, you know, city council meeting to another to announce that, "All right, I'm going to have office hours on this day." So, I'm I'm really grateful for having that
opportunity. Um also, please release who will be the city's communications distribute distribution contact for invitations to the community functions for the clubs and organizations. That was the
question. Our clubs have always invited the mayor and commissioners by sending it to one city contact and obviously that wasn't always the case. We didn't always get all the invitations. So, a
lot of these organizations thought we just weren't showing up when in fact we were unaware of it. Although the ones who always attended always asked for direct invitations and RSVP'd on their own. True.
Some of some of us are part of those organizations, so it's easy for us. We're hoping to see more city officials accept our invitations. Our organizations do so much more for our citizens. So, my response was Thank you
for sharing your concerns. I invite you to attend our first commission meeting with the new leadership today at 1:30. I I told the resident that I would screenshot her response and send it to the interim city administrator, which I
did. Uh if you are not able to attend the commission meeting, I will make mention of this post under the commissioner's report, which I did. And speaking for myself, I don't always get all the invites. I view many of my of the
ongoing events in the city that are posted, and you all know I always say it all the time, via social media. With some of the local events, um I'm sorry, still I try to make as many as I can and will continue to do so, and I
thank the resident for her support and good wishes. So, thank you. Yeah, and a quick update on that, too. We are working There's a lot of policies we're working on. Uh >> [laughter] >> and and one is having a a direct contact and and kind of a master calendar that everybody can look at and say, "Hey, is
that 2:00 p.m. on Saturday? There's six different things. Pick your thing, you know?" So so that everybody's aware there's no uh no ambiguity, no selection there. It's It's going to be a a kind of a master list. We're working on that in the background. Just to update you on that. Okay. That's Uh Commissioner Anderson. Yes. So, piggyback off what
for This is where you're turning Shepherd. So, regards to the commissioner office, when it comes to sunshine, I'm kind of you know, don't want to make sure that we're How are we able to cuz I was at other areas and I was in Sanford recently, and all the commissioners were like, you know, had their own office space, and they were all like kind of
together, and it wasn't like an issue. Would that be an issue for us to be in It'd be an issue for them. different spaces spaces in there. Okay. Cuz I saw them like walking around, it just wasn't like a I don't It was I'll simply say the worst thing you could possibly do is look at what other people do and assume they're doing it right.
>> Okay. That's why I'm asking. And so, the answer is it would be a problem for them, and it it it will be at some point. >> Okay. It just depends on who gets mad and and about what. Okay. And that's the whole point of of what I was trying to say. So, yes, everything I said about
being guarded because of how perceptions are formed by what people see, not necessarily what they hear, Mhm. matters because again, as someone who was investigated twice and could never have been involved in anything criminal because of the nature of the law, it
didn't mean I didn't sting from being in the newspaper investigated. That's what I'm talking about. >> Mhm. You could be talking about the weather and it is completely legal to do so. It is also going to get you in trouble because people will report it anyway,
particularly if they are mad at you about something else. This is the nature of the society we live in. So, that's why I'm giving you the advice I'm giving you. Could you have offices next door to one another and not violate the law? Absolutely. Would people assume you're violating the
law? Uh, 100%. So, how do how do we how are we navigating Well, he We're going to do different cuz I just want to understand and make sure that we're not Um, my understanding is that the mayor will provide an administrative assistant or someone to
kind of let us know >> Help schedule. Right. A schedule. So, if I say Tuesday, I want to have office hours between two two and four or four to six. Um, that that person when you call, you want
to have office hours, they'll let you know that you know I'm in the office. But, there's different spaces there. Um, they still haven't kind of settled back there, but um, Then we'll navigate that quickly to make sure it's done properly. Okay. That's it and welcome everyone.
Thank you. >> forward to serving with you all. Mr. Baron. Well, hello everyone. Um, it's so wonderful to be on this side. Mhm. You guys look marvelous. I just want to say thank you so much for the opportunity uh, to be here in this seat.
Thank you so much. It's such an honor to be on the dais with everyone. So really I just wanted to say thank you. I too was concerned about the office hours. So thank you Commissioner Anderson because I was like how's this going to work? Especially listening to
Mr. Shepherd. So I would suggest if anything just to kind of the administrative assistant who we tend to have just let her know these are those dates that everybody set so that way we can kind of do a a doodle where we can do a poll what
days work best, what hours work best and then kind of navigate from there. Just an idea just to help us navigate because we all have different day jobs if you will and other priorities and responsibilities. So thank you. Really other than that that's all I have. I
just have I plan on attending this weekend the uh the officer safety the defensive I call it defensive tactics cuz that's just all I know. So I plan on attending that cuz I think that will be fun and as well as the barbecue. So thank
you so much for that. That's it will be wonderful to be able to see everybody and I've had the honor to be able to meet all of you in various capacities and I look forward to meeting the rest of you if you will on Friday during the my orientation or my onboarding if you will. So again
thank you all so much. It's such an honor and a pleasure and I look forward to serving you on the seat. Thank you so much. Excellent. Well that great meeting. I look forward to what we have going forward. We're adjourned. >> Mhm.