We'll call the November 19th, 2025 DRC meeting to order. We'll start with roll call. Community development is present. Police Department works Dave Smith. Fire Jeremy Holderfield and building John Hansen. All right. The first item on the agenda
is Rya's Fitness Professionals 12Ks of Christmas. And Lexi from uh recreation was here. Okay. So, Reyes Fitness Professionals is looking to do a 12Ks of Christmas at Northwest Recreation on Saturday, December 20th um from 7:00 a.m. to 11:00
a.m. It is a returning event. They did this 12K last year and it's an organized fitness runwalk event um with a total of a 12k distance that can be ran independently or as a group. Um there'll be about 50 people. Their setup includes a 10x10 tent course signage and water
stations throughout the course. Um no alcohol. They won't be hiring a private security company. Um parking will be located gates one through four at Northwest. and their course runs through the complex trail and stays um on all the sidewalks. [snorts]
All right, any questions for Lexi? All right, hearing none. Community development has nothing further. Police, nothing. Uh public works. No comments. Fire. Building. I don't have anything. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Lexi. Thank you.
Next item on the agenda is Lester Road subdivision reszoning first sub Amir Hamza's project manager. Good morning everyone. So this is a proposal to reszone the 550 Lester Road property from transitional to RSF-1B and
then in the future they're proposing seven seven single family lots. The future land use will still stay the same as residential low suburban uh applicant is in attendance today along along with staff for comments and questions.
Any questions for air? Does the applicant have a presentation? No. Or any questions or anything? Okay. All right. Uh just one comment. Uh was a community meeting held on this community back in May.
We had to give the uh school formal school. Yeah. All right. All right. Community development has nothing further. Police? Nothing. All right. Public works, no comments. Fire. No comments. Thank you.
Building. All right. Thanks. Let's see. All right. Next item is Andage North plan development agreement. Jean Sanchez's project manager. I'll be uh pinch hitting on this one this morning for her. This is a plan development
agreement for property that is located on the north side of road. This was annexed into the city by the city council, I believe, back in the summer. It's a 196 acre development. uh they're going to develop it in a cluster style
development and this agreement is a required element of the plan development ordinance and uh planning staff had no comments on it. I don't know if anybody else from DRC had any questions or comments on this.
And this agreement would have to be approved by the city council along with the PD reszoning, I believe, which is scheduled to go forward in December uh December 17th to city council. Just looking real quick, Bobby, this is um maximum is one unit per acre,
correct? Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, in that area of the city, that's the maximum density you can do is one unit an acre. Thanks. All right. Community development has nothing further. Police, I got nothing. Public works, no comments. Fire,
no comments. Thank you. Building, nothing further. Thanks. All right. And I don't know, was the applicant in attendance for that? Forgot. Okay. Next one. Saddlebrook Meadows subdivision major development plan first
metal. I'm the project manager on this one. Um the applicant is here and they received their comments. This is a fifth I believe 55 lot subdivision located just south of the Park V preserve subdivision uh on Golden Gem Road on the east side
of Golden Gem Road. Uh it's in the Kelly Park forbase code area. The property I believe was it's been in the city for a while, but a future land use designation of mixed use was given to it about a year or two ago now, I believe. And now
we're at the resoning major development plan stage. Uh, planning had some comments, I believe, on this one. Um, I think public works did as well. I don't know if transportation put in their comments yet. I saw some emails going back and forth on that. Um but Jeff
Summit the engineer of record is here. You have any questions for DRC? Some clarification mostly Dale's comments but you know whatever I'll start with planning Bobby just we talked about the the community meeting that's fine. The one question I
had in regards to comment for where it talks about portions of lot 152 and 53 going into the existing power easement. So the way those lots are set up, yes, that power easement does clip the lots, but the buildable area inside the lots and the setbacks is outside the limits
of the easement. I've sent these plans over to to Duke Energy. We're working on a rightaway utilization agreement for that uh which will include your open space that you ask for additionally. Right. Uh, as far as the criteria for the rightway utilization agreement, we're meeting all the criteria for their
utilization agreement. However, I still have to go through that process. So, we're working on that. I don't want to change that. I don't want to remove them wholly because of the fact that I'm trying to leave enough of a buffer, especially with lot one and lot 55 adjacent to Golden Gym Road because we
know the issues with Golden Gym Road has been going on for the last feels like 15 years of my existence. Um, and so that's kind of how we got to the layout. Okay. Is the Duke okay with portions of those lots? Their preliminary comments did not ask
us to remove it. Their preliminary comments really revolved around making sure that our roadway is at great access so that they can still get into the easement for the maintenance. Uh, and they didn't comment on the lot specifically other than, you know, landscaping, things like that, fencing and stuff like
that would be prohibited within the limits of the ease. Okay. And there'd be no structures within the ease. No. Right. And that and those are, you know, that e like I said, the encroachments are are well outside the setbacks for the for the lots in question. Okay. I see a follow-up comment on that.
Go ahead. No, I don't have any comments. Okay. All right. Um, as far as a rideway dedication on Golden Gym Road, so we matched up with what was done with Park View Preserve. So there was a 15 foot dedication and what we've been running with on that east side of
Golden Gym Road has been 15 feet and what we've been running with on the the west side has been 10. So we've matched up to that. I do have to get any permit through the county. I haven't submitted for that yet. But do you need a letter from Orange County before we can move that forward or are you going to be is that enough of an explanation?
If you have like an email or something from the county that says they're okay with it. Um that would be sufficient and just make sure it's okay. Okay. um public services real quick.
So D, you got a lot of comments here in regards to just design for the storm water ponds and everything like that. Do you want that now? No. When you do your CSP, I was just sort of letting you know what Same thing with the same thing with the water calcs and the fire calcs. Right. Right. I think the biggest comment I got from you that that got me kind of scratching
my head is the secondary emergency access comment number 10. The secondary access. Yeah. Because the way unfortunately the way it's going to work with Duke is based on my frontage, I can't get to access points from the county on this. You can't uh come off of your northerly
road where the curb is and see where your uh walk is just Yeah. to try to do it as a stabilized uh secondary emergency exit, something that that his fire trucks can The only issue I'm going to have with that is I got to get that approved by Duke and I don't there's a poll that's real close to there and I just don't
know if they're going to go for that or not. Well, when you submit your plan, you'll show us where the polls are, too. No, they're in there. I think it's just turned off on this page we're looking at. They're there. The polls are on the survey. What is your plan for secondary access if you can't get it? I don't know how with this one's so
small. I didn't see see a need for it. Are you over the amount of houses that are required? Uh, man, you're gonna ask me that question. I can't remember what the number is these days. I think it's 50. We are just We are over 50, I believe. Yeah. So, you are required.
So, can we go back to that real quick, Bobby? Really? You gonna throw the book of armor that's at me in the meeting? Let's just go back to that. So, we're looking to get we're working there. You go right there at at 15 and 16. So,
we're we're working with back to the utilities issue, and this goes back to your question about connecting to that lift station to the that would be to the north. So, would it be Okay. If we came through that open space tract in Park View Preserve as an
emergency access. Where's that at? Can you show me that I was asking about because I do have 20 feet between 15 and 16. So I would have your 20 I would have your 20 foot access. I could stabilize
that because it's outside the easement and we're working on an agreement with JTD for the with the HOA to the south for the utility easement for the sewer to go through. So you say you would stabilize it. Just put like a gate gate. I wouldn't even need No, I wouldn't even put a gate up there.
Yeah, I just Yeah, I wouldn't even put a gate up there. Just leave it open space. Talking paved. Correct. I'm sorry. You're talking paved. No, no, no, no. Just stabilized. Stabilize for me is like that's the big problem we've been dealing with in the city that I'm trying to get away from. Stabilize with grass driveways and fire
trucks aren't always the grass roadways aren't always the best way for us to get trucks off. I uh keep my fire trucks off the grass as much as possible and then we go non-stable consider stabilized. I consider nonstabilized. Um the problem I have with that is like we have to know where they're at in the future and like
a lot of those look across the area and they've grown up. No one knows where they're at. No one visibility is a problem. Well, for paved surface of some sort. Yeah, but even I mean even black asphalt at night's not going to be easy for your guys to see in trucks. I mean, what I've normally done in that drive on
Jeff. Yes, sir. Have you seen those? It's like a polyethylene geog grid block. Yeah. Like the grass paved stuff and then and then you I mean we fill that you can fill that with rock. Grass will grow through it. I mean it will but it's a it is a rigid surface from that perspective. that
where they could have the grass and it should support potentially that that'll support it and I that's fine. It's just I'm trying my best to keep these things paved as possible and looking at it from not only my perspective of now of 10 years from now in the future of firemen
understanding where that's at where accessibility is and the more that we have across this town the city that we're previous that we have grass roadways that are used have no idea what they are and they don't really serve a purpose for us at this point. So, I'm trying to get these things paved as much as
possible to keep our trucks understanding what they are. That's why I asked if it was paved and you put a emergency gate, just a padlock. I'm not asking for electric. I'm not asking anything. Ask for an ox pad. That would do us a favor. But yeah, hold up. I'm sorry. I'm trying not
to smirk, but I'm going back to about eight years ago when I did Park View Preserve. And the whole reason we have that track C in there was we were trying to do that roadway connection to this property in anticipation of that development for the interconnectivity. And I was I was shot down on that issue and I'm just like I wish I would have that but I was
that got torpedoed. So I was like I had it all set up and it just train wrecked on me. Um Jeff, what what what now not to be what is the exact definition of a stabilized surface because that's what's written in the code. Stabilized surface.
The code talks about access points. Well, it's got to I mean the fire the unfortunately the beauty of the fire marshal is he can do what he wants, right? That's the That's the kind of what the fire says. I'm not trying to over sute or overstep what my position is and and abuse it by no means. It's just I'm looking for
what's best for safety purposes for the fire department and the citizens. And ultimately that comes down to a stabilized service that I consider paid. That way we're not putting a firetruck in any kind of issue getting it stuck because I mean if we get a fire truck stuck or something like that happens, we're talking having a fire truck out of
service town for hours upon getting it out. So we're good. That's a big problem. I got an idea. I think I might be able to sell to Duke. So, yeah. Can you go to the the entrance there?
Uh, yeah. Down like six pages, six or seven. There you go. And then I want to see Golden Gym Road. It's on the far left side of this page. So, where I've got that sidewalk coming across the easement, Bobby's got it up on the screen now.
So, I'm with you. Okay. So, what if I I mean, we we made it a little artsy fartsy because of the planning thing, but what if I straightened that out and widened it out to 17 feet as a sidewalk,
pour it 6 in, reinforce it. There's a 12-in sidewalk that it connects to that's part of the bike trail system for the entire formbbased code area. The only caveat to this is I'm not going to be able to pave it to the edge of pavement of Golden Gym Road because the county is not going to let me do that. Yeah. But what I could do is I could
stabilize that portion, [snorts] reinforce it. You know, we could still put down 12 inches of stabilization. I could probably still bury some base. I don't know if I'll ever get anything to grow on it if I do that. But that would get you a drivable
access out to the road from there. I mean, how far is the the non the stabilized portion you're talking about that's not sidewalk or whatever? Um what's the distance to that? What? right out there in the rightway. It's probably 12 to 15 feet just eyeballing it.
And then that turns into who's keeping up with that, who's Well, but the problem with Golden Gym Road is this whole issue of, you know, the county ownership versus the city ownership, right? We all saw the ILA got shot down in May at city council. And even if the ILA had been approved, the
city was only taken up to what was it? Uh, thank you. Capital Reef, I can think of it, which is the northern entrance on Park View Preserve. So, this is still all going to be always going to be county rightaway. Now, I might be able to get them to agree to some kind of
modified driveout turnout there. I like I mean I'm good with I like the idea of it. Um the problem is that area that if we're depending on someone to take care of it and the overgrown will well but that's in the county right away. The the stabilized portion we're talking about would just be limited to
the rightway. So, it wouldn't be on the private property. It would be up to Orange County and it would give the city the ability to go after Orange County and throw rocks at them, which everybody seems to like to do these days. Yeah. All right, let me get back with you on it. Um, okay. And put some thoughts on them. Thank you for the idea.
Um, I think that's it. I think that was all the the big items. We'll deal with the utilities at at CSP. All right. Uh, with that, Community Development has nothing further. Police No comment. All right. Public works. No other comments.
Fired. No other comments. Thank you. And building. All right. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Next item is Flity and Town Center Hotel Major Development Plan. Second submitt. The applicant has requested that this be continued to the December 3rd meeting.
Uh there's an issue with the development agreement that only allows 120 uh room hotel. They're proposing 138 rooms. So they're trying to work out that uh in the meantime. Uh next item on the agenda is Lisa Lane subdivision air project
manager. So this is a subdivision that it consists of 11 single family lots. Uh it's on the east side of town. Um the feature land use is residential medium low and zoning is residential two
family. Uh app staff and applicant are available for further com uh question and comments. All right. is Yapton in attendance. [clears throat] Josh Enaut Kimley Horn 200 South Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida. Um I think from the engineering side,
the all of your comments make sense to me. Um I think we need to dive into the storm water a little bit more and and get some um clarity on that. So, I think once we update our plan, we'll probably just set up a meeting to go over a
couple of these. Um, as long as that's good with you, Dale. Yeah. What I'd like to do is I've walked the site. I'd like for you to walk the site with me. Okay. Yeah, that'd be perfect. So, yeah, we can schedule that. Um, next
and I'd say this is the biggest item is going to be the the one for planning or air on the removal of the culdeac. Um, this plan it it's it's only three acres, only 11 single family houses.
It's going to be hard to to have a looped road um on a property this small. Um I know on in previous conversations on other projects um we earlier this
week basically culde-sacs and the result of that was that culacs aren't prohibited but only in instances where they're unavoidable. Um I'd say that this lot with how small it is and how few lots that we have it would be
unavoidable. Um, would that be a is that argument good enough to allow the culde-sac in this instance? How is it unavoidable? Because for for this one, we're connecting to a dead-end road. So, so
the road already dead ends. There's no culdeac. There's no nothing. Um, so if anything, we're providing a better fire turnaround um for that. and then unavoidable. The low part of our site is where our storm water pond is. So to
loop this um we'd have to go through our pond and and I know the the city doesn't allow excfiltration trenches or or anything like that in the ride of way. Um and then where our culde-sac is now, that's where the the site goes up about
5 to 10 feet. So we we can't put a pond down where where that culac currently is. So, it's unavoidable in the sense that um in order to make the site developable, the we need the storm water pond where the storm water pond is um and to meet
the the tree canopy coverage where we're saving that one of the big trees right next to our storm water pond, which is why we have that space there. Um, so it it it's unavoidable in the sense that it we won't be able to develop the
the this site other than probably the the four lots. We'll just take a look at it and we'll get back to you. Okay. And that that's it for my questions.
Any questions for the applicant? All right. a community development has nothing further. We'll look into the culde-sac issue a little bit and determine whether or not it's unavoidable due to environmental constraints that you were referencing. Uh police, no comment.
Public works, no comment. Fire, no comments. Thank you. Building, nothing. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Uh discussion. There will be no meeting next week as we have no items scheduled and it's the day before Thanksgiving. So, there'll probably be
some DRC members that won't be here. Uh, but we will be back on the 3rd of December. Any other items for discussion? All right, we're adjourned.