--------- We will call the May 7th, 2025 DRC meeting to order. Um, I believe we do have a quorum. There's only three of us here. I believe there are now four of us here. So now we can start. We'll do a roll call. Community
development is present. Police Andrew King. Uh public services does not appear to be present today. Fired Jeremy Holderfield and building John Hansen. All right. The first item on the agenda is shops at Eastshore Plan Development Agreement. Plan development amendment.
First a middle. Jean Sanchez is the project manager. Good morning. I'm sure you all are familiar with this one. This is the PD in which Publix which we can now call out Publix is located in. This is an amendment to the PD to convert one
of the previously previous tracks that were um called out to be a storm water tract into a commercial out parcel. It's also to clarify the proposed use of tire
sales and service um within the property and um I didn't really get any comments from DRC members although planning had some comments on um architectural and site layout
related things for both automotive sales like gas stations and tire sales and service. So, if you have additional information or comments after this meeting, please feel free to send it to me and I'm happy to convey it to the applicant.
All right. And I believe the applicant's here. Mr. Hules, you have anything to present to the DRC or any questions or comments for the applicant on this one? Okay. Hearing none, uh, community development has I'm sorry, Vlad. Go
ahead. Sorry. Good morning. Uh I see there's a removal of the storm water tract. Yes. And the narrative said that that has been taken care of at another
location for the storage. Yeah. I'll let the applicant. Okay. Morning. Jonathan Hules with the Lounge Law Firm, 215 North Yola Drive, Orlando 32801. uh Vlad Vlad to your point uh when the original
uh PD master plan slash major development plan for phase one which was the Publix the inline retail and the dentist office was brought in. The area at question was was shown as a storm water tract along with the rear storm
water tract which is still on the plant. Once it went through actual engineering and it's all those plans have been submitted approved both by the you all and the water management district. It was determined that that rear storm water pond was adequate to service the
entire project and it did not need that additional storm water track that was along the frontage on on on the uh right ofway. So once that became available that's that's the what's kind of precipitated. Okay. So that's already in the approved plans. Yes. Because the the
files that were attached to this submitt show the parcel the frontage parcels 2, three and four, I believe. And the southern entrance, which is the southwest entrance there, all being taken into a pipeline
that will go into that pond, which this parcel is lot six, right? So that all that has been rerouted back to the other pond. That's that's my understanding from our engineer. Okay. Can because this is the ent this
is the ent this is the once again just the entitlement section. These these out parcels have not gone through um major development plan or construction site planning review by the city but our engineer has done the
calculations and has believes that that rear storm water pond has been adequately sized to accept that. Okay. Jean, can we have Jordan was the record? Okay. Can we have them upload those documents so
we can review? Sure. Well, I also upload it whatever construction site plan has been approved. I think it's just the grosser parcel and and the dentist. Yeah. And the dentist. I'll I'll upload all the construction site plans that have been approved. would also approve
the major development plan for that bigger northern parcel which is a uh age restricted multif family. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I do I'll upload that. Okay. Okay. Because I think that parcel and everything from the public's I think
plaza went into the back pond but the frontage those three parcels and the uh entrance roads were actually rerouted into the other pond. So, and I'll also I'll also have Jordan reach out to you just to make sure we're all in the same place. That was my concern. Yeah, no
problem there. Anything additional? Okay. Community development had nothing further. Police any uh public works. Anything additional? Uh I believe that's all. Okay. Fire. No comments. Thank you. Building. I don't
have anything. Thanks. Thank you very much. Next item. Residences at Emerson Park replat first and middle. Jean Sanchez is the project manager. So this replat um is for the residences at Emerson Park. This is I think you all
are familiar with it where it's located. Um the replat is really just to um address relocating the drainage locations. Um, I think there was some mistakes done
in the previous recorded plat. Um, it's to correct drainage locations on the plat itself. Vlad, I know you haven't had a chance to review this. I did look at it last night. So, I think it looked okay. Okay. All the Yeah, I see all the
easements were kind of put on it, especially the drainage ements. And so, you're good with the easements? Yes, I believe everything was okay on that. Okay. So, they just have some housekeeping comments from legal and our city surveyor to deal with. Um, the applicant isn't able to make it here
today, but we don't have any additional comments from staff. All right. Hearing none, community development has nothing further except for the comments stated on the record. Police, no comments. Public works, no additional comments. Fire, no comments.
Thank you. Building everything. Thank you. Thank you. Next item, Invitation Cove, Major Development Plan, Third Middle, Amir Hamza as the project manager. Good morning everyone. This is a um a major development plan for proposal of
43 town homes. Uh future land use is mixed use and uh zoning is mixed use downtown. Um sta uh staff from planning and zoning did not have any further uh comments or questions except that uh
this uh major development plan cannot go forward for public hearings till we get the school capacity letter back from Orange County. All right. It's my understanding the applicant's not in attendance this morning. Any questions in regards to this uh
submittal community any development has nothing further than what mere stated police no comments public works uh no other comments right fire no other comments thank you building I don't have anything thanks all right thank you air
oh this is your project pickle construction site plan for cemental so this is a construction Construction site plan for proposal of three pickle ball courts. There's going to be a ticket office, restrooms and on street parking stalls and uh the zoning is
mixeduse downtown and feature land use is commercial. Uh staff and applicant are available for further comments and questions. Any questions for me for the applicant on this? I know the applicant's present. Um do you have any items you'd like to discuss before the
BRC? Absolutely. All right. Well, nett engineering 4020 edge water drive Orlando Florida 32804. I see the comments are from planning and zoning which was somewhat to be expected.
Um I don't know was supposed to go across the other departments but I didn't have any comments from them so I would like to. All right. Um going down the list um number two talks about the the architecturals and that's no
problem. And we'll have our we have told our client he needs that and he hasn't provided at this time. Um the traffic impact study or analysis. How are we supposed to really do that when I thought the intent was to kind of um demonstrate that you need parking in
itself, but we were told that this this area of the district doesn't require on off-site parking. So we've tried to to do on-site parking. The parking plan. Yeah. Yeah. I mean every CSP it's still like even if it says not required you still have to mention like parking plan
but it says not required if it's zero. So we can just say not require no problem. Yeah but you have to mention that it's a park mention the parking plan on the CSV. So air when it comes to that uh I haven't had a chance to look into more detail but I just glanced to that before
the meeting you're providing in red you're providing two on straight on parallel parking and one handicap right right uh is there amir is there any other parking available I briefly looked on the aerial
I couldn't see any other parking around the area here no it's just the on street parking okay but is that going to be enough or how many courts we have here? Three. That's what he's saying. There's there is no requirement and we just need to basically mention that on the plan. Yeah. The land development code doesn't
have a requirement for on-site parking uh for this use in the mixeduse downtown zoning district. So, there is no requirement for parking. They asked us to explore the idea of providing it and we feel that this is will I mean will it work better if we
provide maybe like a 60° angle parking there? We were told parallel is ideal. Perpendicular is not at all ideal and angled I would imagine is less ideal. Okay. Cuz to me this seems very similar to the Kitland Nelson Park and
we have actually 90 degree parking there on both sides of the park. I we can look into that. Uh the other question that I had was uh is the intention to overflow the pond into the rightway? Is there a swale there? It's hard to tell. Um do
you have a grading plan? If it were to overflow and it's providing basically a foot of storage for for the difference in um you know that basin, it would go into the the rightway. Yes. Okay. Then from again, it's only 9,000
square feet if you read the this the the storm water statement. So technically it's exempt entirely. Okay. I'll take a closer look at it. I Okay. I just glanced at it. I didn't have a chance to look at all. Yeah. And that 90 degree parking, I think that's
against code because you're backing out into traffic. So that's why the parallel is what the city wants. Um moving on. The uh the phase one we got was Kenya. So, thank you for brought in that um concurrency letter. Who does that these days? Sent the form to
whoever sent the uh asked for it. I think it was permitting. Oh, you sent it to you saying I sent Okay, thanks. Um parking plan, we went over that. Uh setbacks. When I look at the code, I
see not applicable. So, is that is that correct as well? Which set? Uh setbacks for the the MD MD have to include the information. Okay. Of course, it's not you still have to include it on the CFP. All right. I guess for me the biggest
one was was this open space requirement. You want us to demonst not demonstrate but show again. This is like 100% open space according to the code, right? Because you still mention it in the CSP even but you still have to mention it. Yeah. The landscape plan. how how um we
kind of I kind of asked uh Jean about this in the beginning cuz most recreational places especially a court need a fence that will not allow the ball to exit the play area and I just don't know how to Didn't we
um you discuss security? Yeah, which is fine, but you can also add some hedges if you want. Um If I what we really want is probably to put some trees inside to eventually over
time provide shade to the players. That would be great. All right. Good. And the security exemption plan. You just need to submit a letter for that for the fence. Okay. Uh and then we'll review it accordingly and uh make a determination on that. One question. Have you reached
out to the railroad about Yes. They want 8 foot minimum fence. 8 foot minimum fence. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. just put it on your CSV plan is approved that you got one. Okay. Okay. So, you're saying
placeholder at this time. Okay. Yeah. And you can just send a letter to us for the exemption plan. Okay. Thanks. We'll do the photometric. We got with client as well. And um yeah, we got with grant administrator so uh even for as a tree. Yes. Yeah.
Really? Well, once it's established a tree, yeah, a tree isn't necessarily good. Well, but 30 days it could be established. We just water it. Well, you can guarantee it for a year. Absolutely.
Yeah. So, sort of just mentioned this in the letter. No, you not it. Not it. Okay. I'm already playing there. Yeah. All right. Thank you. So, you're saying we'll see you out there with a bucket
with the water every day? Honestly, I just got a street tree in my house and it's doing great. All right. All right. Any other questions? Any narat? Nothing. Okay. Any questions for the applicant? Hearing none. Community development has nothing further. Police?
No comments. Public works. Uh, no other comments. Uh, fire, no comments. Building. All right. Thanks. All right. Thank you. All right. The next item is the ridge parcel 7 construction site plan first metal jeans project
manager. This is a proposed um construction site plan for really the most western the western most portion of the ridge PD and it's just to construct two commercial buildings on there. Um, I
had some pretty a couple of insignificant comments that needed to be corrected on the cover sheet. Otherwise, I don't know if Vlad, you've had a chance to look at this, but I I didn't. You did? I did not. Okay. So,
I'll wait and resend the comments as soon as you let me know you you've completed review, but otherwise, planning has no comments. I didn't get comments from the rest of the divisions and departments either. So, Okay. Uh, is the applicant in attendance
this morning? Does not appear to be. Okay. All right. Community development has nothing further. Police. No comments. Public works. Uh, no comments at this time. We'll try to complete them by the end of the week. Okay. Thank you. Fire.
No comments. Building. I don't have everything. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Next item is Ridgebrook, formerly known as Plymouth Harbor Construction Site Plan versus First Middle. I am the project manager on this. Uh this is the
CSP. The city council approved the major development plan I believe about a month ago. Uh the construction site plan is consistent with all elements of the approved major development plan. Planning had some very minimal comments on this very minor comments. Uh the
applicants in attendance. Is there any questions for the applicant on this or does the applicant have any questions for staff? You do. Okay. So, morning Jeff Summit with Summit Engineering. Just a couple clarifications in regards to the planning comments. The I think we
addressed the photoometrics issue that that went away. In regards to the gopher tortoises, we need a letter from a municipality saying that the project is approvable before we can actually obtain that permit from FWC. So, I just don't want that to hold up the approval letter on the CSP from that perspective, but
obviously we're working on it. Yeah. And then in that case, you couldn't start site construction until correct. It gets pre-own anyway. Yes. Right. So, we're working on that. I just don't want to hold the approval on the CSP. And then Vladimir, in regards to utilities and engineering, I know we talked about this the other day, this project specifically
and a couple of others. I need to get some information in regards to that list station. I've emailed Kevin. So, if you can help push, okay, to get me that information and then I did request that from them, but okay, we received on the other project. Yeah, I did. I went through that last night. I sent you guys an email on my thoughts on that last
night. So, just let me know what you think about the assumptions I made and whether you guys are comfortable with those connection pressures that force man. And then when when do you think I can anticipate comments on this one? Uh, probably by the end of the week. Okay. Because I need to really get this one pushed back in. I think Bobby stuff's pretty minor. I didn't see anything from
police, fire, building. So, yes, we'll try to take care of it. Do we need to come back to DRC on this one? If it's just outstanding items with If it's just outstanding items, I'm okay with that. If everybody else is fine with that, we could just solve it through emails. Yeah. And and I'll just update the plans accordingly before we go to approval and
stamping. Okay. Okay. Just get with me, Vlad, when you got a second. Yes. Thanks. All right. Community development has nothing further. Police, no comments. Public works. Uh, no other comments. Fire, no comments. And building. I don't Everything. Thank you. All right, sir. Thank you.
Next item. Coral Hills construction site plan first metal. June Sa is the project manager. Good morning. This is a first submar of CSP on 2301 Coral Hills Road. The subject property has a future land
future land use of industrial zoning of light industrial. The total size of building is about 11,000 square ft requiring 35 parking spaces and 5% open spaces. Special exception permit for outdoor storage as a principal use has
been approved in February 2024 and security exemption plan for 8T tall fences has been approved in June 2024. Um planning has uh no major comment except for parking plan and applicant is available. Okay. The
applicant is in attendance. Do you have any questions for the DRC um in regards to the comments that you sub received? if you could come up so we can get you on the record, please. Morning. I'm Mitchell Callaway with Dubberry. Um, so I just wanted to go
over some of the parking requirements. Um, so we have a a garage and an office space that's proposed. Um, the parking is really just intended for the office. So we were planning on showing parking just for that portion of the the square footage. So I consider
like storage, right? Yes. Um I consider that as a part of business. So parking space. So yeah, the persons using the office would also be using the
garage. So it's not additional personnel that's added because of the garage. It's really just internal storage space. Okay. Yeah. And the code does have minimum parking space requirements. It's in chapter five, I think section 51,
somewhere like that. Okay. Uh so that's what we would be reviewing against. If it's something that you cannot comply with, you you can supply a parking uh study uh and compare it against like facilities. That's the only way to get some sort of variance is correct. A full
study. Yes. Okay. And then that was pretty much it. I think there is stuff that we have to clarify in the plans for the open space because that was one of the larger comments. Oh, was there anything else?
Okay. Any comments or questions for the applicant hearing? None. Community development has nothing further. Please no comments. Public works. Our comments will be ready by the end of the week. Okay. Yeah. fired. No comments taken. And Bill, I don't have anything. Thanks.
Thank you very much. Next item. 4101 Golden Gem residential construction site plan. First submitt. Jean Sanchez is the project manager. This is the construction site plan for the 54 single family units um east
of Golden Gem Road and north of Capitol Reef Way. Um I didn't have really any comments. I mean planning did not I think the tree removal has been taken care of previously from other um from the I think it was
initially done through the very initial um phase of this entitlements for wild oes. So um I don't have any other comments. I don't I didn't receive any comments from development review committee members
either, but I think Vlad you haven't reviewed this yet. We haven't yet. Okay. Yes. So maybe towards the end of the week we'll send a revised comment package. We'll try we just 10 nine items and you know we're short stuff and we
Yes, understood. Um so maybe at the end of the week or early next week. Okay. Uh the applicants and attendants, do you have any questions or comments for the DRC? McKenzie Surgeon with Kimley Horn and Associates. Yes, we'll look forward to your comments, Vladimir. Or if you want
to touch base real quick after this meeting, I can walk through a couple of things with you. Yes, that would be great. Yes. Okay, perfect. And then, uh, Jean, yes, the tree removal was, um, covered under the masgrading portion of that. We can submit that documentation. That's all. All right. Thank you. Uh,
community development has nothing further. Police, no comments. Public works. Uh, no comments. All right. Fire. No comments. Thank you. Building. I don't have anything. Thanks. All right. Next item. Lisa Lane subdivision. First
metal. Amir is the project manager. So, this is a CSP for um 11 single family lots on 3.58 acres. Uh zoning is RTF residential two family and future land use is residential very low suburban. Uh applicant and staff are in
attendance for further comments and questions. All right. Thank you Amir. Um being that this is under 25 units per the land development code is not required to go to planning commission city council for public hearing because only the plat would be required to do that. Uh applicants here. Any questions
uh for the DRC on the comments that you received? Josh, Kimley Horn, 200 South Orange Avenue. Uh, only question is more for when engineering comments would be ready, but I I see that you're really backed up.
All right. So, uh, yeah, engineering will get you the comments um, as soon as they can. Yes. Community development has nothing further. Police, any further questions? Okay. Public works. Uh just briefly, is this the one at the end of the road, Lisa Lane? I believe it with
dead ends. Yes, correct. Is it on the west side or it's this? Yeah. Yeah, the road comes from the from the west side. So, it's west to east and then Okay. Yeah, there is an east Lisa lane on
the that comes from the the east side. However, it doesn't extend to the parcel next to us. Okay. So yeah, I'm mainly concerned about the utilities, but I think we have available utility there. Yes. Yeah, there's a sewer and water on
on this side. All right. Thank you, Fl. Uh fire, any questions, comments? No comments. Thank you. All right. Building, I don't have everything. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Any items for discussion? I have one thing. Okay. And I know
Vlad's backed up, but is it fair to these people that come in here to keep getting put off? I mean, there's no one else that could review Vlad except yourself. Well, there's only me and Doug at this
point, right? And we're just getting slammed. No, I understand. But, but I feel bad for some of these people that have to keep coming back. And I'm trying, believe me. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I know you. I was up till 1:30 last night. No, I I just trying to catch up with and Richard ran into this at at one
point himself. Yeah. And we are in the process of hiring two engineers at this point. So hopefully that will happen within the next three to four weeks. Okay. I just feel bad for him that they have to come back. You know, that's all that's all I was saying. I I feel the
same. That's why that's why I stay late. It's trying to catch up. Okay. Anything additional? All right. We're adjourned. Part: 2
Welcome everybody to the May 7th city council meeting. Commissioner Smith, will you give us the prayer pledge and fact of the day, please sir? Let us pray. Our father God, we come once again grateful for all the blessings that have bestowed upon us and for this opportunity to be servants of
your city. Oh God, we ask that you continue to lead us and guide us and direct our paths that all that we should shall do and say be pleasing and acceptable in your sight. Bless now this proceedings in thy son Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Fact of the day. On May the 7th, 1945, the German high command general Jodi signs the unconditional
surrender of all German forces, east and west at rings in northeastern France. At first, General hoped to limit the terms of German surrender to only those forces still fighting the western allies. But General Dwight Eisenhower demanded complete surrender of all German forces
through fighting in the east as well as in the west. If this demand was not met, Eisenhower was prepared to seal off the western front, preventing Germans from fleeing to the west in order to surrender, thereby leaving them in the hands of the developing Soviet forces. Fighting would still go on in the east
for almost another day. But the war in the west was over. Fact of the day. All right, we'll read the decorum statement for everybody. Welcome to the public heat meeting of the city council of the city of Aopka. Please turn off all cell phones or set them to silent.
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these provisions may result in the issuance of verbal warning, including warning for trespass. If violations persist, after such warnings, violators may be removed from the council chambers. Thank you. All right. Approval of minutes.
any changes? If not, for a motion to approve. Well, I I saw on what was uploaded, it's a version two or V2 of this. Um, are we able to get or if you can forward a copy of this before we approve these just so we know what changes occurred because it's showing V2
on what's been uploaded. So, I would assume that there's a V1 somewhere. Yeah, those are just like errors, but I can send that to you. Yes, please. Just to make sure that there's no tangible changes because we've had this in the past. So, I just want to make sure that we're able to review and compare V1 to
V2, please. So, we can make that um review that prior to approving these. Okay. Gender review. Bradley. Uh yes, Mayor. We have two changes. Uh we need to pull number 11 off consent and put it under business. Uh it'll be item number
three for business. I'm sorry. Item number it become item number five for business. And we also need to pull item two from public hearings. Applicants asked to uh move that to the June 4th
council meeting. Which one was that? I'm sorry, Bradley. Number two. Under public hearings. Okay. on the public hearing and they've requested to bring it back at the June 4th meeting. Okay. All right.
And number 11 set goes to business. All right. Thank you, Bradley. Okay. First up, first proclamation is National Police Week, National Peace Officers Memorial Day proclamation. and uh the chief and deputy chief and I got
to go down to uh Orange County on uh or this courts at at Orlando and and uh what a what a great ceremony and um always an honor to be there and and see the u the passion they have for those
officers that we've lost. So I appreciate being able to go down with with folks and and be a part of that. So anyway, Chief, you want to come on up or deputy chief? Um, I'll read the proclamation, then you say a couple of words, please. And the proclamation
reads, "Whereas in 1962, President Kennedy proclaimed May 15th as National Peace Officers Memorial Day and the calendar week in which May 15th falls as National Police Week. Established by a joint resolution of Congress in 1962,
National Police Week pays special recognition to those law enforcement officer officers who have lost their lives in the line of duty for the safety and protection of others. And whereas the people of the state of Florida honor the thousands of men and women of local, state, federal, and tribal law
enforcement agencies who made the supreme sacrifice with their lives to protect the freedom of others and preserve this gr this great nation. And where is it fitting and proper that we express our gratitude for the dedicated service and courageous deeds of law enforcement officers and for the
contributions they have made to security and well-being of all people. And whereas there whereas there are more than 800,000 law enforcement officers serving in communities across the United States, including the dedicated members of the city of Apka Police Department.
And whereas the members of the Apakka Police Department play an essential role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the citizens of the city of Apka. And where since the first recorded death in 1786, more than 24,000 law enforcement officers in the United States have made the ultimate
sacrifice have been killed in the line of duty, including Densen. Hudson, a member of the Apopka Police Department, who gave the ultimate sacrifice in 1941. and whereas 147 officers fell in the line of duty in 2024 and will be added
to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial this year. Now therefore, our Brian Nelson, mayor of the city of Aka to call upon all citizens in the city of Aka deserve the week observe the week of May 11th through the 17th, 2025 as National Police Week. As we com
commemorate police officers past and present, who by their faithful and loyal devotion to their responsibilities have rendered a dedicated service to their communities, and in doing so have established for themselves an endur enduring reputation for for preserving
the rights and security of all citizens. I further call upon all citizens to observe May 15, 2025 as National Peace Officers Memorial Day to honor those officers who through their courageous courageous deeds have lost their lives or have become disabled in the
performance of duty. Chief, Mayor, commissioners, excuse me, on behalf of all the members of the Apka Police Department, all of our fallen officers and all their surviving family members, we thank you for your continued support. Uh we thank the citizens of Apakka. The unwavering support that the
Apaka Police Department has and our law enforcement agency has is is unwavering and we appreciate that. So thank you. Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners, residents, and citizens. Thank you for your support. As you all know, this
profession is sometimes leads to things such as this. And so we appreciate for the things that you have done and said in this proclamation for those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. Let us never forget their families who are still with us and grieving. So thank you
again for your support. Thank you. We'll go ahead and grab a picture. Do you want to have the other cap couple of captains with you? Know [Applause] Okay. The next proclamation is for the Florida Emancipation Day
Proclamation. And I know we've got uh Pastor Bradford here to accept that proclamation as well. And so this proclamation reads, "Whereas the city of Apakka recognizes that the observance of the end of slavery is part of history and heritage of the United States and
the state of Florida. And whereas a governmental body, the city council opposes and rejects any form of oppression and supports residents and organizations working to achieve genuine equality and protection of human rights for everyone. And whereas President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation
Proclamation on September 22nd, 1862, announcing that on the first day of January 1863, all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state, the people whereof shall then be in
rebellion against the United States shall be then henceforth and forever free. And whereas on June 19th, 1865, federal authorities arrived in Galveston, Texas, and informed slaves that the Civil War had ended and that
the enslaved were now free. And whereas June 19th or Junth has been commonly recognized and celebrated as the day that slavery ended in the United States. And whereas emancipation day in Florida is traditionally celebrated on
May 20th to recognize the emancipation of slaves as proclaimed by General Edward M. Mcook from the steps of the KN house in Tallahassee on May 20th, 1865, effectively ending slavery in the state of Florida. 11 days after the end
of the Civil War and two years after the Emancipation Proclamation was first issued by President Abraham Lincoln. And whereas a result, many Fidians celebrate May 20th as Emancipation Day in Florida. And whereas in the recognition of
Florida's unique history with respect to the emancipation of slaves, the city council commemorates the announcement of the abolition of slavery and recognizes the significant contributions of African-Americans in this state and our nation. And whereas we gather here today
on May 7th, 2025 at city council to honor Emancipation Day. Now therefore, I, Brian Nelson, mayor of the city of Apakka, do hereby recognize May 20th as Florida Emancipation Day in the city of Apakka and encourage all citizens to recognize and honor this day in the city
of Apaka. With that, pastor, good afternoon, citizens, uh, Mr. Mayor, and all of you beautiful and handsome uh, council members. We gladly
appreciate all that you do within our city and our community. Uh as the vice president in the absence of Pastor Richard King, we gladly accept uh this proclamation and we will continue to work in our community to make where we live a better place for all who lives in
those areas. We will serve at the uh at the uh the honor and the gratitude of our members. And again, we want to say thank you to the city of Apaka for all that you do because we all are in this together. Thank you very much. [Applause]
set of start points. And our third proclamation is the proclamation for the professional municipal clerk's week. And I know that uh uh our clerk is here and we got our our deputy clerk and our other staff
member here with us. So, we just want to read the proclamation because it's a very important job. You know, if you don't have the records right, it uh it can create all kinds of problems. So anyway, the procl the proclamation reads as whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk, a
time-honored and vital part of local government, exists throughout the world. And whereas the o office of the professional municipal clerk is the oldest among public servants. And whereas the office of the professional municipal clerk provides the
professional link between citizens, the local governing bodies and agencies of government at other levels. And whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be ever mindful of the neutrality and and impartiality rendering equal service to all. And
whereas the professional municipal clerk serves as the information center on functions of local government and community. And whereas professional municipal clerks continue to strive to improve the administration of the office of professional municipal clerks
throughout participation in educational programs, seminars, workshops, and the annual meeting of their state, county, and international organizations. And whereas it is most appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the office of the
professional municipal clerk. Now therefore, I, Brian Nelson, mayor of the SA Popka, do hereby recognize the week of May 4th through May 10th, 2025 as professional municipal clerk's week, and further extend appreciation to our professional municipal clerk, Susan
Bone, and to all professional municipal clerks for their vital service they perform and their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent. with that. Susan here commissioners, thank you for this honor and um I just wanted to say thank
you to my staff, my deputy Jod Wrigley and our new addition, Carolina Bayz. Uh she's our administrative specialist and um we've got a team of three. Um we have a lot of things um going on in our office as you
know and we have there's a lot of people that don't understand what the clerk's office even does but but we do appreciate the honor where um Jod is working on her certification for FACC and moving forward with that. So um we do appreciate the the recognition and
thank you. Thank you. Come on up. [Applause] All right, presentations. Cliff, you're going to do the South Pocket annexation by referendum update. All right. Um, mayor, council, uh, we put together for your reference, uh, an
outline, a detailed outline of the annexation process. Obviously, this is, uh, specifically about the South Popka area, but the process, which is what the outline covers, is a general process. So, any kind of of, uh, annexation by vote as opposed to voluntary application
by a property owner, this is the way it's done. And so I put together from the outline a brief um slide presentation which I understand if I hit this button should work. Uh annexation by referendum which is what we're talking about now. Um an overview of
annexation by referendum. Uh this is obviously the popka area here to the right. And I understand although I don't have the materials that the specific area we're talking about of south ofka has been identified. Um, and obviously that's going to become relevant for reasons you'll understand. Uh, what what
what is annexation? Well, again, we've had multiple opportunities to to look at annexation from the property owner standpoint coming to you and asking to be annexed into the city for various reasons. Sometimes because they services would be more convenient. Sometimes it's because it's for all the kinds of
reasons they like the idea of being in the city and other things of that nature. But this is different. This is where an entire area of people uh will be given the opportunity by referendum to decide whether they want to join the city and potentially potentially we're going to talk about this uh the
residents of the city of Apaku will decide whether they want to take the annexation in. That's something we're going to discuss in some detail. Uh the voters residing within the area proposed for annexation vote on whether they want to join the municipality. That's in a referendum. And the law for those who
were looking at this for future reference was chapter 171 part one Florida statutes and those where the procedures that we're going to go over in these slides are found. Uh step number one is a is a feasibility study. Now again I say this is step number one because I have been
told that when I say south ofka at least this body has decided what that means in terms of what would be annexed. If that's not true then there would have to be some discussions of where the boundaries would be. So I'm assuming that that's true. Um, the feasibility study assesses the estimated impact of
the annexation, including the ability to provide municipal services to the annex area, which I understand is not an issue in this case, but that's why you do one. Um, without going into further detail, we have a purchasing policy. I do not know whether it would be applied to the situation because I don't know how much
a feasibility study costs. Um, but if needed, that would mean we would need to get an RFP to get the study done and get that process underway. If not, if it's under the amount that we we can spend without that, then we would go into finding who does those kind of studies and get them on board. Once the study is
completed, we file the feasibility study with the county and we notify the property owners and residents in the area proposed for annexation of upcoming hearings to consider the annexation. Uh the pre-referendum procedure includes two public hearings
to allow public input on the proposed annexation. Uh and then assuming that those go well, we adopt an annexation ordinance which would not go into effect even though it's adopted until approval of the referendum. A unique feature which I do
not know the answer to for South Aka is whether or not property owner consent to the annexation is applicable before there's even a vote. And this depends on whether or not greater than 70% of the land is owned by non-electors. So if you look at the area to be annexed and it
turns out that more than 70% are business owners, not voters, then you would have to go get at least 50% of owners of the land to consent to the holding of the referendum. So I don't know if that analysis has been done, but it's something that would need to need to be understood. If it's less than 70%,
this step about obtaining property owner consent is unnecessary. Uh the procedure is to hold a referendum in the area proposed to be annexed. In this case, South Aakka, a separate referendum of the annexing municipality is optional. So, one of the things you will need to decide at some
point is whether you want to have a vote of them and a vote of us or just a vote of them. If you ask the question, well, why do we have to vote or why would we vote or why wouldn't we vote? If you think about all the other annexations that are voluntary, you have the home uh
the property owner coming to you and asking to be annexed and you all have the decision-making power. So the legislature looking at this said, "Well, why would it be any different here?" If you as a body think that this annotation makes sense and the voters in that area approve it, then you can do it without
the the referendum in the city. But you can optionally choose to make it contingent on approval in both places. That's something you will have to decide. Uh if the annexation passes by a majority vote of the registered electors in the area proposed for annexation, it
passes. Um and if a separate referendum is held with the within the municipality, a majority vote by the municipal electors also has to be obtained. So again, if you decide to have both elections, there has to be a majority in both. If you decide to only have the one for south of Papka, then
it's just those voters that matter for this purpose. Uh so that's it in terms of the procedures. Uh as I said, there is a detailed memorandum that you all got. uh would I assume be available for public records if somebody wants to get the full picture. Um but that's those are
the steps kind of summarized for you. And and the reason I asked Cliff to bring this forward, I didn't know it was going to take this long to put all the steps in in place because, you know, we obviously we have a a general election coming up September the 2nd, which will be for the Geraldine Thompson uh Senate
seat. So I thought, well, if we wanted to, which would include the the area that to be annexed, it it could we could have piggybacked off the Orange County election. And so that was the reason. And I went to Cliff to ask him about it and he said, "Well, mayor, I think we've
missed, you know, we've missed that the time to to make that happen." So I just But I did, while we're while we at least brought it up, I wanted him to come forward and just let let everyone know the step. It's a good point to raise because and I provided in the memo an
example timeline. Uh day one through 30 is the preparation. This is an example doesn't mean this is how it would work but this is how it might work. Day 1 through 30 is preparation of the annexation feasibility study. Uh so third day 30 would be submitting that study to Orange County Board of County
Commissioners. Day 45 through 48 again at least 55 15 days after the feasibility study is submitted uh commence the preparation of the ordinance schedule the public hearings and publish the ordinance and all that. Day 55 which is at least 70 7 days after
ad first advertisement and at least 10 days after mailing notices is the first reading public hearing of annexation orderness. Of course all this has to comport with your meeting schedule but this is just an example. Uh day 60 would be publish advertisement uh for the
second public hearing. Day 65 um second reading public hearing and of annexation ordinance. Day 66 through 94 schedule and publish notice of referendum once per week for two consecutive weeks if applicable. obtain consent of the annexation. Uh property owners if it's
less than that if it's more than that 70% or non-electors of property owners hold the referendum and then uh 10 days after the referendum assumment passes either in one or both locations then the ordinance is effective. So minimum time
is 105 days from when we start. Anything else? All right. Any questions for Cliff? the what you were just reading from. Are we able to get a copy of the memo? Just Yes. Yeah. I It's been distributed. I Yeah. Was that in our
packet? I just um No, I don't think it was May I approach I'll give you mine. Oh, if if you can just send it to me that would Yeah, sure. circulate. I thought I mean I submitted it. I assume it was in all the packets. I don't know. Okay. So, I didn't It's not on the the website for
everyone to take a look at. I'll make sure to get I'll if if that just to make sure I'll email it to everybody. I just assume that was done. Anything else? Uh yes. Let me ask um since uh you indicated we may not be able to make it by the September
election if we started the uh process now. Could we make it by the March election? Oh yeah, 100%. Again, I don't know what the feasibility is going to say. There's ifs, but if I assume everything goes relatively smoothly, absolutely. All right. So then committ
what we need to do to get the feasibility study initiated. What if it's under 50k? Oh, I'm sorry. Name. It would only be three quotes. I know. I'm trying to come up. No. Name and address. All righty. Blanch, finance
director. Good evening, mayor. Afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Um, if it's under 50,000, then we just need three quotes, but if it's over 50,000, we go through the formal solicitation process that has to be advertised 30 days. Any idea? Not I was trying to
email staff and ask get them to ask around, you know, find out what others have paid. And Susan, could you also check and see if you can find any cost for that? Yeah. see if you can between finance and so we'll we'll reach out and find out what others have potentially
paid for that and then that'll determine which way we need to go. You have that before we leave today. [Music] You don't ask, you know, hey that magic trick. Okay. Okay. Thank Thank you. Thank you. I'm
sorry. I I just have a question for um the attorney, city attorney. the feasibility study. What does that encompass? I mean, when we get it done, what's where does it go? What happens
when the county receives it? What what do they essentially it's notice to the county. There's nothing that says what the county will or won't do with it. I assume if they have feedback for you, they'll tell you. But the purpose is to determine the feasibility of providing services to the annexed area, which
again, I assume in this case is not an issue. um they're adjacent to the city and all the other things that you would look for. Uh but that's the purpose of it and it's a statutory requirement. Okay. Any other questions? Okay. In regards to the consent from the property owners,
Attorney Clifford, in regards to the consent for the property owners, you mentioned that um it's a possibility that we don't have to get consent from the current city. It was two different there's two different groups. Yeah. Right. Well, the consent issue is to
totally separate from whether you have two referendums. If the area to be annexed, if 70% or greater than 70% of the ownership of property is by non-electors, say businesses, a restaurant owner who doesn't vote in the cities, not of a popka voter or any of
those things, just has property or a warehouse owner, again, not a resident or elector. So that if you look at a property and you look at a map and more than 70% of the land to be annexed doesn't include electors, then you have to go to the people who actually are the electors and get 50% of those to say
yeah we consent to the referendum. So if it's less and I assume it's less but I don't know if it's less than 70% of the land is uh owned by non-electors then you don't have the consent requirement. That's secondary. The other thing is you
have a choice that you have to have the referendum election in the area to be annexed in this case South Aka but you don't have to have a referendum corresponding in the city of Apka but you can't and if you do then both sides have to approve but the reason you don't
have to have it in Apopka specifically is because you already have the authority vested in US legislative body to annex properties that are adjacent compact and contiguous and all the other things and we do it all the So the legislator's decided while you can have an election here if you want to to make
it contingent, you have the authority on your own and you don't have to do that, but you do have to get their agreement to to take them in. That's the issue. Perfect. Okay, that was and I So you're saying about 105 days from start to finish to be able to get to where we
need to be on an optimal timeline. Yes, absolutely. So then we would want to because I'm I'm very big about public input, understanding concerns and and pain points, things of that nature. we'd want to do workshops or education sessions well before that or during that process. Well, there are a minimum of
two public hearings, but if you wanted more workshops, those would add to the timeline. But yeah, those would all be up to you guys. Okay. So, a lot of this timeline um is is on you because even if all these steps were done, then it would be okay, which ballot we want to be on, how soon do we want to put before um
when do we want to have the ordinance? So we want to have workshops before the ordinance. So we want to have just the workshops that are required for the ordinance etc etc. So those things are are on you but an optimal timeline where you check all the boxes is about 105 days. Okay. So that that's minimal
requirements met is is 105 days. So of course we want to do a little bit more there. So okay. Thank you. That that's helpful. I appreciate that. All right. Thank you. Thank you Cliff. Appreciate it. All right. So, we have uh before we take a deep dive in there, if I can ask uh city administrator, our
interim city administrator Williams and our city clerk as well for any of our uh proclamations and presentations moving forward. Can we make sure we get copies of those uploaded beforehand? So, I just want to we've kind of we don't usually have any of the proclamations uploaded. The residents aren't able to see them beforehand as
well as the presentation. So, uh like this presentation today, I didn't know at all what was going to be on that. So, um I didn't get any memorandum or anything of that nature. Okay. Yeah, we can we can uh look at making sure those are included. Okay. I just want to make sure because again it helps the residents understand where we're going, what we're doing, and things of that
nature. Um so, as long as we'll have that moving forward, that's great. Uh the other thing I want to uh motion to restore our public comment to its proper place where it was originally at in the beginning of the meeting before consent agenda. I want this effective immediately. It needs to be recorded. It
needs to be pursuant to uh resolution 2016-16 and um it needs to be effective at this meeting now. So that's a motion, a proper motion. It's on the agenda. So that's not the
agenda and it's it's it's about a different resolution that has nothing to do with what we've done. We've gone through what is it 18 meetings? 18 total meetings and today will be the 19th meeting that we've made residents wait
for hours to speak to us to address us properly. They've been disenfranchised, marginalized. We've attacked them in different ways. And by we, I mean mayor, you have attacked them by doing this. We've had students in the audience wait till midnight to be able to address us about their concerns. We've had our city
attorney uh on August 7th when this all started when you unilaterally changed the public comment section recommend that we have a coach come in to properly teach how to run a meeting with decorum. That was never taken up. I I mean I believe we spent somewhere between 25
and 60,000 some months on city attorney recommendations that we're not listening to. Uh we've made motions, both Commissioner Velasquez and myself have made motions to bring this back. It's we already have a resolution in place. 2016-16 already applies to this and you
have not equitably and consistently applied this to the residents to us and there's no reason why we need to have a new resolution in place. Uh you've instructed our IT director Rob Hiller to turn off the live feed. We have had resolution 2016-16 in place for 8 years
working properly and functioning properly. That's 192 meetings before it was unilaterally changed August 7th of 2024 where we made residents wait till the end of the meeting adding a new resolution to this if we can't apply the resolution that's already in place that protects the
residents and us with decorum and the the things in nature that consistently we it needs to be consistently applied this new resolution is is worthless. So let's keep what's in place and apply that equitably and consistently to all of our residents. Let's put the residents back where they belong, right
in front. We need to listen to them first and then do the business. Thank you. No, that I made a a proper motion. So, you can go ahead. Nope. I'll let you go. It is on
the agenda to uh review and and I understand that we and I'm going to say Commissioner Nea and myself, we have consistently asked for it to be put back at the beginning. I saw
that it is on the agenda today. Again, it's the last thing that we are going to be addressing. You did make a motion. I've been consistent about the motion. So, I will second and allow the rest of the commissioners to either vote for it
or vote it down, but we still are going to hear it at the end of this uh agenda. Okay. So, I will second it because it's been consistent about bringing it to the forefront. Okay. And let me just speak. I did speak to different residents and I
did make a commitment to the residents that I also did agree that we should move public comment back to the beginning. Um however I do see that is going to be addressed um at the resolution. I do feel that this resolution does actually do exactly what
it is that the residents is asking us to do. In addition to that, it give the residents two times to actually speak. So I would um also um I do agree um with the motion um for this meeting to allow public comment to go first. Um however, I do also agree with resolution and also
that need to be heard as well. So, so we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? I. All opposed? I So, Commissioner Anderson, you were Yes on that the motion. Oh, yeah. I was Yes.
Okay. So, at this meeting moving forward, we will have public comment before consent agenda properly recorded the way it was prior to August 7th moving forward. So we will now have public comment before consent agenda. Well, I'll just say for this mine was for this meeting because I
know the resolution need to be discussed and I think and it so for this meeting I will agree for public comment to go first. However, the resolution at the end and I and I absolutely hear you on that. The resolution at the end of this meeting is completely different. It limits time. Uh resolution 2016-16 which
provides a policy for how to address the council does offer the same exact uh items. It just offers more time. you get to speak twice as well whether it's a something that's on the agenda or something that's not on the agenda. It promotes the same things without limiting the timelines uh without having
uh some unilateral decisions being made of if there's too many people speaking because there's never a number assigned to if there's too many members to speak about an item if that just is it five is it 30 is it 100 so I want to make sure my residents have our residents have as all the opportunity to speak and as much
time as they feel they need to properly articulate to us their concerns. Absolutely. I agree. However, the resolution, we need to discuss the resolution. And that my motion had nothing to do with it's completely separate. Okay. Okay. So, so so back to you, Commissioner Henderson.
I'm trying to understand. So, so as it's just for this meeting, this meeting. Okay. So, then you need to to that's different than the motion that Commissioner Nest brought forward. So, Commission, it's moving forward. is this is that motion that she just said that she's she's willing to to to agree with
your your motion but only if it's for this meeting only because I think it's fair that we discuss we're still resolution we can still absolutely discuss it that I'm not taking that off I'm not saying uh to cancel it for this meeting only but no I'm not changing my my motion said the same thing I said for
this not whether it's this meeting that's not we're agreeing to bring the public comment today today to this meeting. Here's here's my point is that we can we can apply 2016-16 that's already in
place in perpetuity. Should 25-9 be approved today, it would supersede 2016-16. Okay. So, you can approve it and if for some reason 2025-9 doesn't get approved, then 2016-16 would be proper and in place. I
think it will though. I think I think we So we we're um so we need to go back then. It sounds like we've got two that are that are the motion that was made by Commissioner Nes. We've got a couple members that are
Yeah, let me let me help as best I can. First, there was a motion, a second, and a vote, and it passed three to two. Correct. Now, there's a discussion that a couple of folks may have thought they voted on something different than what I heard the motion because I definitely
understood what Mr. Neesa's motion was. So, the options are to leave things as they are, then consider the uh resolution and as he mentioned to supersede the one that we just
essentially reinstated or to make a motion to reconsider by one of the people who voted for it. That would be one of you two to reconsider it. Put it back on the the table to reconsider it. If you voted to reconsider it and that passed, then we'd be back at square one
with Mr. Neesa's motion or some other motion to see if it gets a second and to move forward. That's essentially the procedural situation that we're in. I don't know which way y'all want to go, but that's where we are procedurally. So, as the vote stands, we will we can
move it. We will move it. The vote was to move it right now before consent agenda items to have public comment live streamed properly the way it was prior to August 7th of 2024 when it was unilaterally moved 18 meetings ago that the public's had to
wait hours to address us. Mr. Anderson, are you I'm okay with it. Just leave it like it is. Leave it like it is. That's fine. All right. All right. Let's move on. We got um No, that's that's not how that works. I We had a motion. No, we got it. It passed. Correct. So, now it's
public comment. We It was effective immediately. Couldn't have been more clear about that. So, now it's public comment. So, that's it. I Let's uh Mrs. Bone, let's move on to that then.
Let's stop making our residents wait. Dr. Ran [Music] Claremont, Commissioner Nessa Anderson and Bless. Thank you so much. This is long overdue.
Public comment is super important and the timing of it is important. That look at the chamber when everybody's here and they can hear what's going on. The live stream is important when people that are not here
that they get to see what's going on. Two years ago, I had to come here every meeting and fight for something that I thought was important for one of your departments and our firefighters. I was able to use public
comment as a tool to hold the city accountable and the transparency of what was going on and things that needed to be changed. Had public comment been then in the environment that has been now in the last 18
meetings, maybe those changes would not have happened. It is super important that people can come here and be able to talk to you guys and talk to other residents either that are here or on the live stream to let everybody know what's
going on. I don't know why we are so afraid of transparency. Hiding things makes everybody fearful and doubtful. Just be open and honest and at the end of the day we can agree to disagree on some items. I strongly recommend that we hold
the corn and the mayor can issue a warning and a person violates that have them removed. Your deputies are here. Have them removed. He can stick to the timeline and to the corn, but let the residents come here and speak. This is
super super important. Commissioner Anderson, I thank you so much. It was because of you because I know NASDAQ has been campaigning for this. Residents have been campaigning for this and nothing
has gotten done and because of you today is done. The resolution that is going to be discussed at the end of this meeting, you're limiting your residence to 30 minutes. This place is full and this is the afternoon meeting. Our night meet is there normally even more people that
come in here. 30 minutes isn't enough. Leave it the way that it has been. It's been working like that for eight years. And it allowed me to come in here and fight for our fire department. And I guarantee you because of that, it has
saved lives. We don't know what's coming down the road later. and a resident might need to come here and speak to whoever is sitting up here to be able to speak to the residents whether they're here or
online. Transparency is the is the most important thing that has to go on in this city. We shouldn't hide from it. We should embrace it. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to admit to our mistakes and just bring it out in the open. Let's work on it and get it done.
Commissioner Anderson, thank you so much. I appreciate you. Give me a second here to set up. Yeah, that works. Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane here in Apka. As you know, I volunteer with the police department. I
did I'm one of the eight of our 80 members that actually drive a patrol car. Uh I drove Monday and I asked the supervisor on duty, "Where would you like me to be?" He said, "If you would please go to our construction sites." I went to our construction sites. We have
thousands of new homes, condominiums, town homes, apartments popping up all over our community. If you've not been by Bignyan Road or Boy Scout Road or on uh uh Plymouth Sarrento or Kelly Park, they're falling out of the woods. It's unbelievable. More concerning is that I
have a water restriction. You can't open our website without popping up. Oh, hey, it's water restriction time. And we've got these developments watering at between 11 and 3 in the afternoon. Full pressure. I can't speak for anyone else. I don't have full pressure with my with
my system. And yet they're getting it. This doesn't make any sense to me. Today I bring you the letter I. The letter I for infrastructure. Recognize and look at it because we don't have it in the city for the growth that we're proposing.
We have taxpayers are telling you that we need to slow the growth. We've proposed moratoriums. We proposed using what Orange County does by slowing the process down. But no, Apopka has embraces the damn the torpedoes full
speed ahead mentality. As Union Admiral David Fargot deployed during the Civil War in the Battle of Mobile Bay and going through the inlet, there were torpedoes. That's what they called them then. They're actually
minds. Let us look today at our minds in the community. World War II mine, community flooding. This is the world. This is a Civil War mine, Golden Gem
Pond. Thousand new homes on Golden Gem. 1300 new homes. Golden Gem. It's still a cattle path. Florida schools ranked 47th in the country. 47th schools over capacity,
underfunded cash for private, charter schools, religious schools without meeting minimum requirements that are required for our public schools. Another issue, five of our 15 Apopka schools are guess what? Over
capacity. Safe pedestrian bike paths, we don't have enough. They're not there. Why? because we don't have the infrastructure. Needed road repairs. Another one. Infrastructure. Lack of reclaimed water pressure. I don't have to tell anyone else about that. I know
what my problem is. Water restriction. Chief article says, "Oh, we're building new wells. Those belts that have been built two years ago with the way we're producing new development. Failure to execute CRA funds. Critical staff
vacancies not filled. And only three only three Apopka department heads last year in the 24-25 budget indicated they had what they needed to do their job. That's our problems today. We have to fix
that. We look to you to successfully n navigate us through these mines. We continue to approve one development after another. We must stop our day one day late dollar short too little too late trying to close the gate after the cattle already of the corral and putting
a band-aid on arterial bleed must stop. You are failing to act in the best interest of the citizens who elected you. As my mother said, you know, you have to you talked in deaf ears. This is my comment. These are shoelaces because that's what I feel and most of the
people here feel they've been talking to for the last couple years. Thank you. Leroy Bell Helen. First of all, I want to piggy back off Mike Ran, Commissioner Anderson, Velasque, and Nester. Thank
you for bringing back public comment, but it still weighs heavy on my heart that the mayor and Commissioner Smith don't seem to want to hear from
the public. With this in place, now we can go through all these different grants where people can come up at the head of the start of grant appropriation and they can
complain like up on 8th in Washington where a contract was uh g given to one contractor and it was supposed to start building this house over four or five months and then end up
with the male best friend half the contract. And if you look at the list, the list said is there's a conflict of interest. Yes, that is a conflict of interest when the contractor is the best
friend of the owner and the contractor is the best friend of the mayor. And if you go back and look at all the sidewalks and stuff built up north, it
was built up by this contractor. Uh well, you know, I I see that you frowning, but it's finally coming. The chicken's coming home to roost, and they finally made it here today. But the thing about it is even in the
process of picking these houses to be refurbished, the one on 8th and Central on the west side, you guys going to spend a hundred or so thousand dollars to refurbish this
house. And this house just they just put a brand new roof on this house, brand new solar on this house. They went through this house and the only thing this house need is a mitigation of uh uh Duke around the
building and maybe a $2,000 paint job. Where the rest of that money going? This money going to be missed just like the $160,000 for the homeless. This money going to be missed like the $57,000 that were missed for
the misappropriation of Kov's funds. But then yet it's still Commissioner Smith and uh uh you may y'all don't want to hear this from the uh community. Why? It's time to stand up. It's time to
stand up and stand up for the citizen of Apaka. I know you don't want to hear from me because every chance I get, I'mma let you know how I feel and don't care how you think. But again, finally the chicken coming home to roost.
Good afternoon. Albert McKime 360 Golden Gem Road. I am the direct neighbor of Golden Gem Retention Pond. Over the period of time that I've been trying to develop my property, I've been discriminated against. I've been
intimidated and I've been threatened not only by members of city staff but by members of the community who work on behalf of the city. I'm not going to tolerate it anymore. I'm not here today to to make
accusations or to try and and put blame on anyone. I'm here today to tell the simple truth. The simple truth is, commissioners, if you'd taken time to read my folder, you would know exactly what was going on in the city. Most of you have refused to to meet me and and
haven't done that. Let's look at what the city attorney said last meeting. He hailed us as a success that St. John's had given us an extension of six months to continue to develop Golden Chevro. That wasn't a that wasn't a victory. That was a slap in the face for a popka
because on the 23rd of April 2024, the city applied to St. John's for a three years extension saying that it would take them to 2027 and the estimated cost is 27 million. Don't believe me? I can show you the records. Did you commissioners know that before I told you? Probably not. So why don't you know
it? I don't know. Anyway, why are we not doing any work at Golden Gem Road? It's because the engineers and your contractors haven't got solutions. I have solutions. Mayor, I'm happy to give you the solutions, but please don't laugh at me again like you did last week. I'm not here to crucify anyone.
Golden Gem Road, it's it's infested with mosquitoes. There's nothing being done. Uh the Environmental Protection Agency gives you time limits to do stuff. It's not been done. Why is it not being done? Because you don't have the solutions. You don't have the ability to figure out
how to do it. Well, I'll give you a clue today. There's pipes go into Golden Gem Road that can deliver water to the retention ponds, but there's no outlet pipes. So, we can't pump water out of Golden Gem Road. No, that's not true. We can pump
water out of Golden Gem Road. All you do is return the flow from the pipe that took the water in and return it into that pipe. Can we do that just now? No, because the water's contaminated. But we could bring in a mobile unit and we could pump out 30 million gallons of water that's left in Golden Gem Road
just now, treat it and pump it out and people could use it. Those pipes deliver water all over the city that that that led to Golden Gem Road. It's not difficult to to put in valves to adjust the flow and direct it. So the first thing is we don't need
to wait any longer to remove water from Golden Gem Road. Mayor, I've given you a solution. We have the ability to to to fix this. What we also need to realize is we have probably $4 million worth of pond liners in Golden Gem Road that have been allowed to disintegrate. They're no
longer structurally sound. They're no longer any use. So, we're going to have to find $4 million to replace those or we're going to have to find a way to rejuvenate Golden Gem Road without the use of liners. That could cost a lot of money because if we were to raise the
bottom of the pond, it means that we can have to bring in possibly 200,000 tons of clay. That's just napkin maths. But that's going to be difficult. And it would also take a year to bring in that amount. It's 13,000 lorry loads or truckloads of clay. You would have to
buy that and you're going to have to transport it. I have solutions. I have solutions to your problems with annexations. But the fact of the matter is if you don't allow the public to speak, if you don't allow us to interact, we can't help. I look at Sylvester Hall. I look at lots of people
who come down here and they all want us to succeed. Mayor, I'm here. I'm not looking to to to crucify anyone. Let us help you. You have problems you can't solve. I need the sugar. All right. Virginia Street 2119
Palm Vista Drive. Um, thank you for your support um in acknowledging the police. Um, the main special day and the municipal clerks. I think
that that is something that is um very worthy and um well deserved. Um and also thank you for moving the comments up to the beginning. It allows me to be able to manage my life a little bit better
with children. Um on behalf of the needy and the homeless unhoused um in Apopka the last since the last meeting we've had um some advancement but thank you for the
support that you have provided. Uh continue to do that. Continue to support the unhoused and the needy with the economy the way it's going. food prices going up. There are lots of churches and lots of places that are providing assistance for uh food, clothing, and
hygiene. So, just whatever way you do that and whatever organization you support, please continue to do that. uh over the last since the last meeting, we've had a couple of um incidents where there was
um one of um the people that I work with had gotten hit by a car right here in front of the McDonald's and passed away from his injuries. Um and then we also had another one that has passed away uh from uh some uh situation also. So they
are out here, they are humans. Um, please be careful if you are um, uh, there are some that, you know, might be using wheelchairs, walkers. They're they're they're out there and a lot of times they're in
plain sight. You don't see them, but you see them, you know. So, whatever you can do to support the unhoused and the needy. Um, just because they may have a house doesn't mean they don't need food, you know. And just because they have food doesn't mean they have a
house. So there are lots of situations and there are lots of organizations that are opening up and I ask you to continue to support. Um I know we're having the next when is the next CRA meeting to finalize the list that we went over
that's coming up right before the next meeting. Next meeting. Okay. So, as we continue to look for solutions um for resource centers and things that people can go to because it's already hot. We didn't get a we didn't get a spring this
year. We got uh we went straight to the heat. So, it's already hot and they're going to be looking for places to try to cool themselves just like we will, you know, and McDonald's is not an option. They don't allow them in there but 30 minutes at a time. And then same thing with all the restaurants. if they had a
place to where they could go during the hottest part of the day and be able to cool themselves, charge their phones, take a shower, you know, that would be something that would be uh very wellreceived in our neighborhood. So, I thank you very much for your time.
Good afternoon, city council. Really appreciate having this opportunity to speak with you guys. Um, but my concern is more so with um the CRA possibly leaving and um I know there has been a lot of discussion on um different funding, how you guys should use all those particulars. But I have a
different idea um that I hopefully that you guys can maybe pursue. And this kind of just from some quick research I did um with neighborhood improvement districts may be a tool that can be used to replace the CRA if that were to go away. Um I know and this is information
I grabbed off the internet. Um the city of Orlando looked into doing something similar. Um and I don't know if you know Kyle Shepard but I was the assistant uh city attorney there. But some of the things um just kind of speaking from Florida for for a whole there was 33 um
NIDs throughout Florida. Um 11 counties have NID ordinances. Um 11 NIDs in Broward County, one in Orange County, which I'm quite sure um the mayor's which is on block trail and then there's four in um Oyola. Um the different types
of local government NIDs, that's Florida statute 163 um.56. Um then you have a property owner association NID, a special NID which it breaks out one being residential and the other being business and then you have a
community redevelopment NID. So my my thought is just if the CRA is going away, I still think we need to look at tools that we can use to beautify the area to put money back into the um to the area to support businesses or to support residential areas to where hey
if there's if it's been done in the past it can be done in the future. Um, I think this is an avenue she can kind of look at, um, propose, kick around, but to if it were to go away, I know I think last I think y said the budget was about $4 million. Um, hey, it may not be $4
million starting up, but I still think there should be a pool of money or resources that can be tapped into that can be used because, for example, I know I wasn't able to attend a lot of meetings, but I didn't hear anybody talk about the beautifification along 441. currently have like three or four palm
trees that's been cut down, never been replaced. Just kind of when you look at the aesthetics of the community, it kind of tells you, well, if you won't take care of that, what would you take care of? So, um I know there have been projects talked about um signs in Apopka, welcome to Apakka. Those things
haven't been done. I know there were discussions about doing things along the trail, which for example, I know I was in Tampa this past weekend, they have a heroes park. You guys just did a proclamation to the fire department, but there's also prohibition for um I'm sorry, police department. It can also be
fire department can also be veteran. So there are other things we can look at to bring um a sense of community because you know someone legals in their life um being disabled from providing a service for the public. I think that should be kind of for and foremost. Um I know we
have a dedication to 9 911 out front. So these are some things that we can probably look at NIDs to help extend and benefit the area as well. So hopefully you guys can give that consideration and hopefully some discussion can be had to at least um review that that as an
option if there were to go away. Now if it doesn't go away then we still have CRA but that's just my thoughts. Thank you. Okay. All right. We have 10 consent agenda items. We're going to we're going to move the 11th cons consent agenda
item to the public hearing number five and 11th to it's the CDBG grant fund that that updated one. We're moving that. Correct. Okay. And then the only we're just moving the annexation of the ditch north that's being removed
completely or or it's being tabled to June June 4th meeting. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Anyone from the DAS or the public would like to pull out any of the agenda items from the consent? If not, look for a
motion to approve the the first 10 consent agenda items. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second, second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor. Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Next up, interlocal agreement, Orange County, Jean Sanchez.
Good afternoon, Jean Sanchez with the community development department. This is a request to approve the transfer of Golden Gem Road from Capitol Reef Way to Kelly Park Road from Orange County to the city of Apopka.
At its meeting on June 9th, 2024, the city council approved the interlocal agreement transferring a section of Golden Gem from Capitol Reef Way to Kelly Park Road to the city. Subsequently, Orange County requested additional changes to the language. And
due to those changes, the agreement must be brought back to the city council for approval and then scheduled to Orange County BCC for their approval. This segment is within the city's Okiva vision plan that's been in place since the comprehensive plan in 1991. It has
also been heavily impacted by new city developments. The road was constructed by the county before 2000 and not fully fully paved until 2003. The city pursued this ILA based on Apopa's experience of unpreped growth over the last several
years. But before any significant development occurred in the area, traffic volumes in the on the road began to increase due to the opening of State Road 429 Kelly Park interchange and high growth in the northwest unincorporated Orange County. Sign a significant
portion of the traffic volume was attributable to origins and destination and destinations outside of city limits. City staff then with county staff met to discuss future roadway plans and partnership to address future roadway improvements in the city. However, the
county declined to partner with the city to fund the design and reconstruction of Golden Gem Road and offered 750,000 for the resurfacing of the entire road instead of sharing the reconstruction cost of $13 million. At the time, it was
an estimate about three to four years ago. I um gave you an 11 by17 of that breakdown. Golden Gum Road is substandard and requires full reconstruction to meet city or county standards. And without the county as a
car sharing partner, the city looked to the development community to help fund the design. The city council entered into the pioneer agreement with development partners in the Kelly Park interchange formbbased code area to address funding for the northern portion of Golden Germ Road. Therefore, to
ensure that projects along this road move forward to realize the city's KPI vision and to keep pace with roadway demands, the design phase of the northern half is underway. And to minimize the time and cost and ensure that this piece of golden gem can handle
the oncoming oncoming developments brought about by the city's KPI vision plan, it is in the city's best interest to acquire this section of the road and manage the construction. If approved, we will ask Orange County to utilize the
$750,000 initially offered towards the resurfacing of the southern portion that they maintain as the city is not aware that this portion of Golden Gem or any part of Golden Gem is slated for any improvements in their work program. With that said, the recommended motion is to
approve the transfer of Golden Gem Road from Capitol Reef Way to Kelly Park Road from Orange County, the city of Apopka, and authorize the mayor to sign and execute the interlocal agreement for this section of Golden Gem. Staff is available for questions.
Any questions for G? Yes, Miss Sanchez. We spoke about this in our agenda review yesterday. So, I appreciate you um taking the time yesterday to detail and articulate the difference between the two agreements, the one we already agreed to and then this new one. So, the biggest one and the and the one that I'm
getting held up on the most that what the change was is that we're saying no to $750,000, threequarters of a million dollars, although I understand that there's I guess can walk me through why we said no to that for in reference
to 750. Yes. As I understand it, when I took over this project, the 750 was initially offered by the c county to resurface the entire road um in response to our offer to cost share to reconstruct the whole road. Um
so with that said, when they refused to help us with reconstruction Golden reconstru the reconstruction of Golden Gem Road, we wanted to have them at least put some improvements on the southern half. Not exactly. It will it won't match our
improvements because our road the the design of Golden Gem Road is a full reconstruction which means we had to come up with drone drainage. Um I'm not sure if there's right of way acquisition right now because we've had um
development partners um donate uh certain areas for drainage um and storm water storage. But um that's beside the point I suppose. And we're already moving forward with design of Golden Gem. Correct. We're almost at 60%. Okay. Now, I don't know if we've
done more research. Mr. Sherman, we did speak about this as well. Are we able to use impact fees to improve that road? Because is it a truly a uh um it's capacity and safety? It's the capacity portion is that we're adding in our
design. We're adding um turn lanes, bike trails, multi-use paths in our design, so that adds capacity of the road. Um but I'll let Excuse me. I'm not sure what Jean just said. I know
in the earlier meetings I was told that it was not a capacity issue with this road. I know that they're trying to do some improvements to the road and per the ordinance um and the use of impact fees there has to be some type of
expansion that capacity issue. I have the auditor here so I don't want to get caught off guard. This is one particular type of funding where I as the finance director has to sign off on an affidavit. So I want to be very comfortable and very clear with that.
What we're going to do is go back and look at the ordinance and see what those requirements are to state statute and to confirm. Okay. And that's I guess my concern at this point is that we said no to 750,000. And in the old agreement, it specifically stated it wasn't for the whole road that it was just for the road
segment that we are taking over. So again, 750,000 is not going to replace that whole road by any means, but money is money. And I will take threequarters of a million dollars any day. Correct. Because that's less taxes out of our our our residents pocket. So, and if we can't use impact fees, that's also concerning. Okay, where are we taking
these funds from? How are we going to improve this road? We have um we have another project we're approving or that's on our agenda to approve on that same road tonight. So, just trying to get a comfort level there of how we're going to navigate this moving forward to properly fund it. Not only take it over, but fund it and make sure that our residents have the services and
expectations of and as I understand it, this is coming up in the upcoming budget. So, we'll have time to have that conversation and get that verification prior to them. But we'll already have taken over the road. So that that's my concern. And so we're estimating 10 million 7 to 10
million. I heard 13 million at Well, that's for the whole two or three years. What was that for? That's from that was Yes. 13 million for the whole world road almost four years ago. And um if you we want full clarification, we have a
consultant here um who incidentally was the person to discuss this at the inception of this idea takeover golden gem and um she's also the one particularly um familiar with working with our other
consultants who's designing this road. So it's uh Pam Richmond if she wants to answer some questions about whether or not this I can ask a few questions. Sorry. It would just help because there's a lot of kind of unanswered questions or or the spirit of what was going on just didn't people aren't able to articulate it because that it it's
not each department head that was running with that. So, if I can rearticulate my concern is we're taking over part of this road the whole road and we got these uh the the breakdown of about 14 million a little under 13 million. Uh but that's for the entire stretch of Golden Gem. That's Golden Gem
Road from uh Pawn Can up to Kelly Park Road. We're only taking about half. Prices change obviously in the last four years. So let's say it's 10 million for just our segment that we're going to take over. What I'm trying to understand is number one obviously and we had that discussion. Can impact fees pay for this
because we have money in that there's other if we're taking from reserves. It's scary again we're pulling money from under the mattress which is concerning to me. And then two to what extent are developers is this part of the P pioneering agreement in any capacity? There was some
ambiguity there from questions I've asked in the past. So I guess if you can kind of articulate that and walk through what the spirited and the understanding because my understanding you negotiated this originally. So walk me through if you can all of that. Okay. I'm going to tell you from the beginning from when we
went to Orange County and told them look we have a need here. This is your road. It's a functionally classified road. Let's work together to fix this road. We've got this big development coming in but most of the traffic right now is county traffic. Pam, why don't you go back and tell everybody what
functionally classified road means? A functionally classified road is a higher level road. It's a road that's designed or in theory, not in this case, but always everywhere else, it's designed to carry a higher um number of trips. It's built to a higher standard. But this
road was built, it's a little more than asphalt on top of sand, and it was originally built by the county as a road to the dump. And everybody knows that. So, it wasn't built to carry the kind of traffic that's forecast. It was built to carry the kind of traffic from 5 years
ago, which was 50 cars a day. Most of those being trucks trucks going to the dump. So, knowing what was going on in the KPI, I went and sat down with the powers that be at the county and told them, "Let us partner on this project.
You know, it's it's half y'all, it's half us." and they said, "Well, no, we don't really have any money." What they did tell me was they were going to resurface the road. It was in their um uh resurfacing program. They put
$750,000 there. Well, they held on to the money. They didn't resurface the road in anticipation of us taking the northern half because that was the agreement that we reached. We'll take the more expensive northern half. they can keep the southern half that's not in
great shape or it's not in bad shape and they'll spend that $750,000 to resurface the road to hold it in place. So, we went forward and if you look in the pioneering agreement, I think it's on
page four. There's a whole section that talks about the funding of Golden Gem Road and it's being funded through the pioneering agreement, but the pioneering agreement is all impact fee money. And let me be clear about what impact fee money can be used for. It can be used
for capacity projects. A capacity project is not only defined as adding a lane. A capacity project is adding turn lanes is a capacity project in the sense of what we're talking about because we are kind of multimodal. It can be a
trail. So this is all in Florida statute and it's also in um your code that tells you this is a very typical and excellent project to spend impact fee money on. I I've been doing this for 30 years. I
know what impact fee money can be spent on. So, you're confident that we'll be able to statutoily use impact fee funds for this project? Yeah, you've done it before on other projects. So, um each project's different though, so I just want to, you know, make sure. Yes, I am telling you that, you know, a turnling
uh might add a little bit of capacity, but you only have to add a little bit capacity for it to be called a capacity project. Okay? But the point I'm trying to make is if you take that $750,000 from Orange County, they will never resurface the bottom part of the
road. We were at I was at for on another project that y'all know about that's coming up discussing Concan Road with Orange County. And what they told us, and these are the people that make these decisions, they said they're moving
projects out of their CIP. So they said probably in my lifetime, which you know I'm much older than you, so we're talking probably 20, 50 years, something like that. Um they will never be making any improvements to Ponan Road, the kind of substantial
improvements that need to be made. So if they're not going to do Ponan, they're not going to do Plymouth Sarrento because it's a much higher priority. And if they're not going to do Ponan or Plymouth Sarrento because they say they don't have the resources, Golden Gem is is not even on their horizon. So, what
you need to consider is that if they have $750,000 to do the resurfacing, and I don't doubt that that $750,000 in today's situation would would be just probably enough to do the southern half of the road. You need to
get them to bring that up to the highest standard that they can. we're you're going to do the northern half and then you figure out 10 years down the road if you want to make the southern half if you want to take the southern half and make it like the northern half. But if
you take the whole road, you're on the hook. You're going to start getting all the calls to do the stuff on the southern half. it right now. It's a county functionally classified road done made functionally classified by the county but built substandard. And that
that's an awful lot of money for the county to not participate in fixing something that they created. They've known about that interchange going in for 25 years and and they did nothing. And they knew what the interchange uh
was going to bring and they still did nothing. and they think that it's the easy way out for them is to make it your problem. You tried through me to try and make it a a um a um yeah a a partnership project
and it's not any different than a cocoa road or benign road. They want to make it your problem. They don't want to partner on anything. I still would have liked 750,000 though. and and you would like the southern end of the road to deteriorate to the point because because
they won't spend any money to fix it, it'll in in five years it'll be a it'll be worse than the northern part and they won't fix it. But are we sure that that 750 is absolutely going to be appropriated to that southern section? Well, like is there any guarantees or anything in writing that we know that
that's going to happen? You could ask him for that. That's what the money was in their budget for. Okay. And that's my concern. And that's my only concern is that we said no to money and kind of like a handshake deal saying but you guys take care of that. You're not saying no to money. You're telling them they should spend it on the
southern half and fix that, right? But we're there's no agreement. There's nothing in writing saying that they're absolutely going to do that. So that's that's just my concern. I appreciate the background on this. It is helpful and I just want to I needed some comfort level too on the impact fees being able to utilize those appropriately uh to be
able to upgrade this road to where it needs to be with the trail. Commissioner is what I do for a living and I would not stand here and lie to you. Okay. No, I appreciate that. No. Well, I thank you for being here. Thank you. Any other questions for staff, Mr. Anderson? So, I have a question. Just a
quick question. So, if we execute this interlocal agreement prior to getting something in writing that they will bring the road up to the highest standard because right now we don't have anything in writing that they will actually do that, right? We already agreed to wave the 750. Is
that accurate? the the agreement has not yet been executed. But if we execute this agreement, we are depending on them. The 750 number is not there. So what do we have to do to go back to renegotiate the at the 750 to go towards the southern
southern border? I'm not sure if we can I mean if if this is really just um this ILA only addresses the northern portion that we're taking. So I'll have to ask what you you simply have to ask them well
whether they'll put that back on the table right now it's not on the table and the question has come up well if they were willing to give 750 for the whole thing why won't they split it with us for half of it don't know it's a good question but right now the offer is zero
but you get the road if you want to go back for the 750 that was tied to taking the whole road we can ask them I'm fairly confident that they're not at all reluctant to get that headache out of their queue and into yours. But I don't
know till we ask. In that previous agreement though, it states specifically it's for the road segment. It's only for the road segment that we were describing, not the road, the road segment which was described for earlier in the that agreement. So it wasn't for the whole road. It wasn't a whole road
750. It was road segment 750. So I just want to be clear on what what my understanding was it was I don't know if it's the right way to characterize north and south as opposed to what we are doing now. That's was my understanding that's wrong but in terms of of whether it's available to us still simply a
question that have to be asked. So I think we need to ask that question. I think we need to go back to the drawing to board and just ask that with the 750. We willing we will go back. Um, Cliff, do I have to then because our legal
description only touches the northern the northern portion? Do you have to do what? Do I have to get a whole new legal description as an exhibit to this? Did we have a legal description from the prior offer that we can revive? If not,
no, we did not. We We definitely want to know exactly what we're getting. Yeah. And what we're getting the money for. So, yes is the answer. If we don't already have that, if we then ask, would we be required to take the southern half as well? That's that's a negotiation
with them. I assume that what they offered before typically in government would be willing to offer again if it solves the same problem that they felt like they had before that they were willing to pay money to get rid of. So I assume it's the same. But in terms of the meeting of the minds portion that we're talking about the same portion of
the road that they're talking about, that is where the legal description comes in. And I don't know. And we are if you look at the original agreement and I'll read it. that was taken out. It said the parties agree that in that it is reasonable and for a public purpose that the county participate in city's construction of reservicing improvements
to the road segments which are necessary to bring the road segments up to standard of good repair as part of the transfer of road segment to the city. Prior to that it said the road segment and then it gives your exhibit A and the um basically the legal on on what that
the northern section the road segment is. So to that's what we've been discussing. I think let's go back to that that was a good agreement that says better than this one. We feel more money is better than less money. So as long as there and it I didn't see strings attached to this
section either of if we do this then we're not going to do this or vice versa. And I don't want to worry about Orange County's roads. I need to worry about ours. So let's get that 750 back on the table for the northern section that we're going to be taking on. All righty. But
now it's my understanding that we're not resurfacing road. We are reconstructing the road. We're re we have to there's no pond or drainage. So are they going to allow us to use that $750,000 to reconstruct the road? Right. I'm not sure. So we'll have to ask that. So that
question that's a big difference. Well, it's not a no unless you ask. So it's either I guess either or. Either the 750 needs to go here or there. Okay. All right. R 750 somewhere. Yes. Yeah. I
just let me read up. I had a uh this an email from George Soup who's I don't know what his title is. Orange County. He's the road guy at Orange County. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, guy that is that's probably his official title. While Pam wanted to reconstruct the road
and it's talking about Golden Gym, doesn't say north or south. Uh it was determined that the county did not wish to participate in the reconstruction of Golden Gym, only fund the resurfacing of the original road. So to me that means 750 for the whole road is what they're
offering. Mhm. And for for you know for $13 million fix 13 million four years ago. Yeah. Right. So 15 million or whatever it is fix. So I I mean that's that's the worst deal in the world to take that. But aren't we just taking it for we're taking it even
worse now. We're taking zero for but we're not fixing their their side. Just the pond. Just the pond alone. What was the pond property acquisition for a storm water retention pond's a million bucks. So we if if we want to do the
south part right, which we are doing the north part right, which we have our we have retention there on the north side of Golden Gym. The southside just alone is a million bucks. get the 750 put in a retention pond and we're and we're still short 250. But we're not discussing the
south side. In the original agreement that's within our packet, not emails that we don't have. It specifically states the road segment that is a northern section. It doesn't reference you guys. There's been a lot about talking about this is going to be applied to the southern section. Nowhere is that stated
in here. But but in either instance, so we're talking about resurfacing as opposed to reconstruction. And resurfacing would not solve the problem that we need to solve. So since it's not our road and it's Orange County's road, why would we
take it and it's substandard? Yep. and then we let them spend the $13 million and bring up the code and have the residents call and complain to them rather than coming here complaining to us because we took the road over and technically I mean we're dealing with a
lot of variables. So if we were if they were to offer 750 to give to us to resurface and we have and in in return we have to take the southern portion as well. We can't because our
transportation element doesn't let us do that. The only reason why this got this portion of Golden Gem Road got through is because the initial approval from city council preceded our transportation element that states we cannot take
substandard roads. And the other thing that I think needs to be brought up is the 50% rule which we on the northern section of it we now control both sides of the road for local roads though not functionally classified. Right. So functionally
classified roads like this one needs a separate agreement that states that. So um well it looks like uh the pleasure of the council I I'm not sure if you have to take do you do a vote
if if I let me just see if I can restate it and then if if you want to make a motion this regard is fine. But it sounds like to me a the old deal, which I'm going to call the $750,000 deal, whatever it included in whatever legal description it applied to, you'd like to
put that see if that can be put back on the table. And I my suggestion based on hearing the conversation would that that then you can compare contrast the current deal which has no contribution from the county but also limits our exposure. Is that a fair summarization
of where we are? Yes. Okay. And so to me, it makes sense if that's the case to to get the right. Maybe Mr. Roadman from Mr. Shup is the guy to ask and see if that's on the table and then come back with a presentation that says, "Here's option A. We get
$750,000. This is the problem that we get. We got option B. We don't get any money, but our problem is limited to this." Because that's kind of what I'm understanding. And if that makes sense to you, somebody makes that motion, then staff can execute it.
Do we want a time certain on when to bring it back? Because I know they work pretty slow. So that's a probably I can say that that particular individual we didn't mention he works slow. So do we want to put a time certain date on the it won't be
it won't be the second meeting in in May. It won't it probably won't be the second meeting in June. Um what what would you think is a if you want to put it as a date certain clip given where we are maybe the second meeting in June or maybe the first
meeting in July why don't we make it the why don't we start with why don't we will why don't we postpone and we'll make it uh the first meeting July at least July they know we got a a date certain and so we maybe it helps push them along
but we got public comment first and then we'll we'll we'll Well, let me ask one other how does this affect the pioneering agreement? The pioneering agreement has language in there that um states uh design and construction for Golden Gem is is
through the pioneering agreement. Um but that's only after the construction of the Kelly Park road widening. So that's the language, that's the relationship to the pioneer agreement. There's a section in there
that addresses Golden Gem Road design and construction in terms of funding question. So are there any developments that are going to be affected if we move this into July?
Um because I think part of what we're trying to do here is to start the expansion yes of this road for the developments that are already approved but now the developments are
just going to go forward with their construction. So this is kind of where the pickle is is that we are almost at 60% on our design for the road on that northern half and we have some private developers along Golden Gem that we are
engaging with and that we've been engaging with in terms of helping us with road drainage or really um because they are participating. Yes. Because obviously they also have a vested interest right in improving
Golden Gem. So yes, it's gonna this definitely affects our design of the Golden Gem Road. Um we weren't honestly going anywhere when this was being delayed. This ILA was being delayed. The design was was delayed as well.
So some of the developers were actually going to be part of the expansion, you know, as they start they're partnering with us. So with with this delay then they kind of have to be put on hold. Um I don't know how this
would affect each and every one of them because I know one particular project is basing their construction site plan which is full construction of the plans based on this well essentially based on this ILA right so yeah so I will say
this I mean because yesterday we had the pre-aggenda I have a concern about the southern uh section of golden gem I We're investing so much into the northern yet we have half of a road that's not functional. It's not even up.
It's substandard and it's not like we have two separate roads. It's one se it's one continuous road. So I I would go back to try and figure out where that $750,000. Okay. um saying no to it and
then just letting the southern section kind of deteriorate because we can't take it on. I I don't know. I think we should go back. That's not that we can't take it on. It's their responsibility. I think there's a big difference between us taking on a road and and the county
being responsible for a road that's that's classified is not in functional. And I would just say too just to know and I mentioned this at the meeting as well that the city I think even from the notes we don't really have much interest
in the southern portion other than the people who have some serious interest on there right property owners who have contacted us thinking it's our road um because our Kelly Park interchange formbbased code area for a regulating
plan terminates around that. Okay. It terminates around where the southern portion of this road begins just based on our legal description here. So, and really there's very little opportunity if any for annexation considering the
Hubard construction recycle materials places there. Um I don't know if we've ever contemplated taking over the the southern portion at all. Um but we still have some expectation to
bring the road up to some kind of standard. Certainly people there have expectations absolutely but they have expectations on a lot of roads being brought up to standard you know and those roads are not all ours and those roads are not all
affected by our development. So yes, I I see it. I see it. And certainly I am the one who's taking calls about Golden Jeb who live there. Even in the southern portion, there's two particular constituents down there who are fairly interested in having the city take over
even just a door and half. Okay. Any other questions for staff? Not we'll open up public comment. Okay. I have one more Albert McKim 360 Golden Gem Road. In terms of impact fees, impact fees can be
used in Golden Gem Road. Commissioner Ryan uh came out and measured Golden Gem Road with me and it was 19 ft. The road has to be, I believe, taken up to something like 26 feet to meet standards. So if you want to take 20% which is what they would need to to
widen the road by we're definitely increasing the width by more than 20%. So in fact impact fees will be be good for that. There's a fundamental misunderstanding here. We're speaking about Golden Gem Road North and South.
That's not really what it is. The way that we're speaking about things just now will mean that Golden Gem Road will actually be split into three parts. Let me explain why. The south part just now from Ponan up to where the facility for
for the recycled materials are was actually widened and subbase was put in there by the contractor who runs that facility. So that road was brought up to standard to some degree. So then we would have a section from that
particular area up to Golden Reef Road which would still belong to Orange County but which would still only be 19 ft wide and which has no subbase on it. So in an analogy of a chain the strength
of a chain is only as good as as its weakest link. So really what you guys have got to do is depend on impact fees coming from new developments such as the one that that that I was asking to be allowed to do. We need to fix Golden Gem
Road from the entrance to the facility where where the uh recycling yard is up to Golden Reef Road. Otherwise, you're going to have roads that come down narrow and then come out again. in that
area will have no subbase on it. So if it's not fit to travel the whole length of it's not fit at all. So please commissioners if we're going to do something let's make it fair for everybody for all the residents. And I urge you to to to look at this and
understand that Golden Gem Road will actually be three parts not two. It won't be just a north and a south. the area which some of you commissioners who've visited my property recently that would be considered still part of the south and you know how narrow that is.
It won't under the current recommendations be fixed. Rod Olsson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. This is so frustrating that we're spending this much time and effort because we don't get in front of our growth.
this our planning commission a popka planning commission and this commission approved 1,300 homes on what's a glorified cattle trail without thought or planning related to roads and the amount of traffic. 1,300 homes dump
under this cattle path and there's more development on it. It's another example of failing to plan is planning to fail and we've got to stop doing this. It's infrastructure. We need to slow our growth. Whether we do a moratorum or whether we put speed bumps in as Orange
County did, we need to do something to get in front of this growth. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay, close the public hearing. And looks like looking for a motion to um
postpone this item to the July 2nd council meeting. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries. Now all right, next up on South Major
Development Plan. For the record, Jean Sanchez with the community development department. This is a request to approve the Onage South residential major development plan. The subject properties are located on the southwest corner of Onage Road and
Effie Drive. Approximately 54.8 acres in size. The subject properties are within the KPI MU Kelly Park interchange mixeduse zoning district as well as the transition neighborhood district overlays. The major development plan details a plan for a mix of residential
projects that comprises 326 single family detach and attached units in a future commercial development on 1.37 acre tract. The plan calls for 193 20ft wome units, 95 rear loaded lots
with 34 feet of width and 38 rear loaded lots with 40 feet of width. The transition overlay requires an open space area of 15% equivalent to 6.01 acres and the neighborhood overlay
requires 20% corresponding to 2.92 acres about 9 acres of open space is being proposed. The applicant proposes 11.10 acres of open space that encompasses an amenity area, playground, buffer, and aatized water storm water
pond. Internal connection points are offered from the south of the subdivision, including a link to the crossroads development to the south via Firebrush Firebrush Drive rightway and two others east of said row. The plan also shows trafficcoming elements such
as a traffic circle and on street parking along the east and western spine road. A landscaping plant poses a diverse variety of trees that includes live oaks, red maples, sycamore, and southern magnolia located within the project area
and installed with root barriers to block or redirect tree roots preventing damage to structures and pavements. The DRC recommends approval at its meeting on April 8th, 2025. The planning commission voted 4 to one to approve the
major development plan. There is one descent. Commissioner Robert Ry in the Senate based on the lack of capacity and water related infrastructure and lack of budget and construction date for Golden Gem Road. The recommended motion is to approve the Onage South major
development plan. Staff and applicant are available for questions. Any questions for Jean? I notic in the staff report it says that uh it's deficient in the middle school but not in high school. Yes sir. Is that
correct? Yes. Any other questions for Jean? All right. Anybody from the public? So here we go. Where are you? I'm sorry, I was reading this again. That's okay. Um, the PNZ board commissioner
um descended based on the lack of capacity in water related infra infrastructure and lack of budget for golden gem reconstruction which we already talked about golden gem but the concern is uh water related in
infrastructure. Can you kind of I think utilities is what um Robert Commissioner Ryan was uh referring to. Um I believe our city engineer was there at that meeting, but
I'll let the applicant state and try to recall Luke Classen with Appen Engineering, 221 Lee Road. Um the commissioner, I think there was some confusion in the planning commission. He had referenced Golden Gem. This property isn't on Golden Gem.
It's north of Kelly Park. It's actually adjacent to Onitch and Effie. Uh we're making improvements to both Onich and Effie Road. So I I don't know how that got in there, but that's not really associated with this project. I think there was just mix up of projects for the water. Uh he said he was concerned about water capacity. We did write the
city and got confirmation that there is capacity in the lines. City engineer stood up the planning commission also indicated that they there is capacity for this project. In addition, this project is connecting through to um making an extension. We're working with the city right now on a upsizing agreement to bring the water line up
Ethi with this project that would actually loop the system through this project and through Crossroads because right now Crossroads connects down to Kelly Park. This would provide a loop system uh for that whole area which is the KPI area and betterment of the water pressure
system. So you're saying that the our engineer the city engineer has said that we have the water capacity. Yeah, correct. the infrastructure for the water capacity. Correct. Is that portable and reclaim? Uh correct. We submitted for all three uh wastewater,
portable water, and reclaimed water. And all three came back with capacity, adequate capacity. All of them. Correct. Okay. And then I'd like to point out this this MDP does match exactly what the master plan was already approved. It's the same exact plan. There's no right no changes,
just more details. Both were approved um in January. Correct. January the master plan was correct. The first reading and then this Yeah, I saw that. Correct. Yeah, there's no no changes to the plan. It's really just just a major
development plan. Mhm. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant? Okay. Ron Rod Olson 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. 326 units equates to 118 more students, 650 more vehicles. Do our schools, do
our portable portable water, does our reclaimed water, do our streets and sidewalks going to be able to support this? This is a question we should be asking with every development on the front end. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Um, one thing in particular that you
guys keep talking about is capacity when it comes to water, um, potable and reclaim. Um, what exactly do you mean capacity wise? Because I know Rod Olsson kind of made a comment that I didn't think about earlier is the pressure when it comes to you running your screening
system is not adequate to get coverage sometimes. Um, I've noticed on my street. So, is that kind of playing to what's going per household? Exactly. How does that mean? I mean as far as capacity wise things thanks. Okay, if you can get answer those questions about the capacity when they
come to to us about a new development and how we determine capacity for all three. Yes. Uh good afternoon everyone. Vimovski city engineer. Uh we looked at this project at the planning and zoning commission. We the capacity is there. We have the
capacity for portable water. We have for waste water for the collection and we have for recline water. Now uh the utility lines are not extended right now. We are working with the developer that they will be extending the all the utilities both the water
reclaimed water and and wastewater the sewer pipelines from along Eye Drive from uh West Kelly Park Road to Onage and then west onage to pretty much the entrance of the of the development and then everything will be looped back into
the crossroads project. So that's regarding the pipelines that we have to be extended and this is related to one of the projects that was also uh presented at last council meeting. Uh the capacity for wastewater
we currently have 8 million gallons approved per the permit. So the capacity is there to take uh this system into the collections into the municipal collection system. the water system. We already have a permit for about 16 million gallons per day to be withdrawn
from the Florida aer. Right now we are pumping approximately 11 million gallons a day. So we have about 5 million gallons in addition to um what we currently pumping. So will these new developments exceed that 5 million that
we have left? I know I saw the the mayor have put wrote an article and I was kind of and I saw some numbers there. Note on the portable water. Yes. What we're seeing right now is the drought season, right, with the recline water
where, you know, pretty much everybody in Central Florida struggles right now with reclaim water. And we are working on two projects right now. One is already under construction in the northwest where we have a this is the northwest uh um recreation center where we have
two large ponds. One on the west side of where the fountain is from the amphitheater and one which is called the northwest at the very end on the northwest corner of the property. So between those two we have about 100 million gallons of stored reclaim water
capacity. Those ponds are lined. Uh right now we don't have a pumping system that will take the water out of there and connect it into the ground storage tanks at the northwest reclaim water plant. The first project started at the on the north side which is the northwest
section of it. And that we expect to be done probably by the end of the year. And then the next phase will be the other pond. We're going to have another pumping system that will also connect to the same system coming from these two ponds, uh, including a filtration system
at the ground storage tanks. So that way when we get into a dry season, when we don't have enough water, we're going to have all the stored water that we take over the summer during the rainy season and after that and be able to treat this water and put it back into the municipal
system that we can send to public access. So the other concern was also the wastewater. We everything goes down just to Cleveland Street. That's correct. Yes. And so we have enough capacity there with all these new developments.
Yes. The pipelines they're in place uh have enough capacity to take over the wastewater back into the treatment uh facility. Okay. Yes. So, if I can follow up on that, the reclaimed water, we're saying we do have
capacity for that for this any new development, not specific to this one, any new development right now that we've approved, we're saying we have capacity for reclaimed water. So, how everything is typically calculated is the mass balance through the entire year. So we have contracts with Sunshine Water that
would take about 2.9 million gallons a day and we have also contract with the city of Alimmon that on average can send 4.5 million gallons a day. Uh the so over the year across the 365
days right we have enough capacity. Now the storage becomes a problem in a dry season. So, is it a is it a rolling 365 or is it a calendar 365? Is it a fiscal 365? How are you calculating the capacity? Is the calendar 365 from
January 1st till December 31st? So, you're if we approve any project that comes in, a developer comes in and asks if you have capacity today, we're basing it off of last year's numbers. Correct. We'll look at that at the 12 months period. Okay. Yes. And then do we
take into account all new developments that we've approved but are not done yet? Uh yes. So all that's added in. It's comprehensive approach. Correct. So with what was brought up neighborhoods I'm getting emails and
calls non-stop about I'm sure we all are about not getting pressure. People are having to replace their lawns because of having no irrigation or no reclaimed water to their properties. I guess what can you tell me to help reassure them that this isn't a long-term issue that
we're gonna this is just a drought issue and that we have capacity while we're still approving 365 however many homes uh 326 new homes correct to my understanding this issue is during the last two months that we have a severe
drought season right and I I don't know if the previous years there was the same issue uh most likely not unless you guys have different information on that. So this hopefully by by connecting this system that I set from the northwest
recreation complex to the northwest reclaim water plant, we're going to have additional water during the drought season which a lot of other municipalities don't have that luxury. Well, I guess that's the issue is I guess last year we didn't have the storage capacity because we the Golden
Gem uh retention pond or pond failed. So, and it was my understanding, and I could be wrong on this, but we had to turn away some water from other municipalities that were we did have agreements with because we couldn't take on any more water because it was so rainy and we weren't able to take the
average that we would have so that it lasted throughout the drought season. So, what are we doing to ensure that we are able to other than just Northwest R because we have 100 million gallons we're going to add to the system effectively in storage capacity? Correct. Do we have 100 million gallons
there currently or is that just storage available? I I haven't checked what is right now. I believe the pond should be pretty full. But even at that point, even if they're completely full, right? Let's say 18 millions in the northwest and 82 millions in the in the west. These 100
millions cannot be used right now because there's no pumping system to bring it back into the And you're saying that and that should be done by correct. Okay. Correct. And I guess that and that's that's not specific to this project, but we're talking about it. I wanted to bring it up that residents obviously have been reaching out and very concerned that we're we're adding
so many new homes and saying we have capacity but then we're telling our current residents stop water. Yes. I believe there's also an issue with some residents using watering loans outside of the defined hours. Okay. pretty much
I think there was like a 20 over 2,000 maybe 2,800 that we had on the well I I was going to do that under my mayor's report but I I'm happy to share that with you. So we had them go back and we have census which is our our software that picks up when water's being used
and on so 428 so just a week ago on 428 which is Monday which means no water should be you be used from the reclaimed system we had 288 users residential users that use 4
million gallons that one day. So, the day that we we could have been recharging our tanks to to take care of Mr. Olsen back there, we had 28 2,888 users that used 4 million gallons
that one day. The following day, 429, which is only for commercial, we had 2900 users using 4.8 million gallons. So, we have a problem people not, you know, abiding by their their,
you know, their watering uh the days that they're supposed to water. And so, it makes it difficult on our our folks down at the Cleveland to get this, you know, under control when they're not they're not we've got people out there that are obviously not taking this
seriously. We are in a drought and that you can't use it on Monday and Tuesday. So, so are you is this supposed to say that we're blaming our residents for our lack of infrastructure and ability to hold water? I'm saying they should they should not 28 2900 people are using
water when they shouldn't be using it. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Don't we charge a premium though during that time? No. So, that was Monday and Tuesday. Yes. So, so Monday is critical. That's the time when we replenish especially at the northwest
and the water supply and there's some improvements that we we already have planned in the next year or two. Of course it depends on some of the developments mainly on the poet which as well development that we have to potentially push another 30 30in
pipeline through that property once that gets developed because right now we have a gap. It stops over at the north side uh on Rogers Road and then we have another 30 inch at pretty much over by the pond on Ponen and J uh Jason. Correct. So once we complete this 3,000
ft that will give us a more opportunity to push more water to the north side. So in your calculations again from last year are do we take into account are we calculating that the Golden Gem Pond is actively being used? Is that part of our formula that's being used?
It should be. Yeah. Well, yes and no. Because the pumping system is not there, right? The facility still needs to be completed, right? So, even let's say that's completely empty. The pond is empty as and is available at this point, right? Between the two ponds, let's say everything works fine.
We can only put 350 million gallons into that, but we can't take anything out at this point, right? So, we're working right now with St. Johnson and VP on uh getting that project completed and that's going to take another two to three years because of the logistics.
But do we take that into account of capacity to serve our residents? Is that in the formula that we say we have 350 million gallons to be able to tap into? That capacity is currently not included in the uh D permit for the water reclamation facility.
So only the three ponds at northwest are included. the two ponds at Northshore and whatever we have available at the wastewater treatment plant on Cleveland. And what's that total capacity then if you can walk me
through that? I know you said it before and I just didn't write it down. So what's Northshore approximate? Total it's about roughly about 200 million gallons in Northwest. Uh 20 million gallons. You're saying 200 million at Northwest? 200. Yes. I thought was only Well, it's it's only this 100, the other 100 which is where the fountain is. It's
a mixed reclaimed water and storm water. So that we cannot use for public access. They can be used only for watering irrigating the facility at the park. Is that part of our calculation too of capacity for new development
that is currently I believe in the permit. Okay. So that's skewing some numbers there. 100 million gallons because we can't actually pump that to our residents. It can be sent to public access. Correct. Okay. because that's what the numbers just it seems like we're a little a skew here and I'm
trying to figure out where we're where we're getting off and that seems like it's one of them. Okay, so we have 100 million available to the residents, another 100 million only available to us effectively. What's at Northshore then? Uh Northshore I believe 20 million, two ponds of 10 million and there's uh 16
million at um Snowden which is the wastewater treatment plant. They're two separate ponds 8 million each. Okay. So, approximately 136 million gallons of capacity we currently have for residents to be able to tap into.
I'm not going to put 100 million. That's only that's only the storage, right? So, correct. Correct. Depending on what I understand. Okay. Yeah. Again, I'm just trying to understand and again, it's not specific to this project, but uh it is important since residents are showing concern on that. So, thank you for walking me through that. I appreciate
that. All right. Anybody else public? All right. If not, we'll close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve. Rod has a question. Excuse me. Mr. Olsson has a question. Ron Olsson Olsson 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Nearly every day I live in Rock
Springs Ridge, 1320 homes, you can find water running. And part of the reason for people doing it, like it or not, is because when they water when they're supposed to, there's no pressure. I used to run mine between five and seven. Guess what? My last cycle at 7 is
supposed to be at 15 ft. I'm getting two or three feet. So, I move it back. I do it three to five. Now, I move it back to two to four. I still have pressure issues. And my neighbors have pressure issues with water in their lawn. So, they run other days. That's the primary
reason behind it. Thank you. All right. Close public hearing. Look for a motion to approve the major development plan for the Onage South development. They said they have capacity. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second. Second by Commissioner Smith.
All those in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Next up, Wolf Lake Ranch Phase 2 G. For the record, Jean Sanchez with the community development department. This is a request to approve the Wolf Lake
Ranch phase 2 major development plan. The subject property is located on the northeast corner of Punkan Road and Punk and Pines Road, 29.6 acres in size. The major development plan comprises of
a private residential subdivision with 59 single family detached units, a typical lot width of 80 ft and living area of 2,000 square ft. Access to phase 2 is through Wolf Lake Ranch phase one and a secondary access point is shown on
Pon and Pines Road on phase two. Phase one and two will yield a total development of 120 units based on the sum of the area of both phases. Portions of phase one's lot 15 and track B will be removed from phase one and added to
phase 2 via the platting process that will result in the affformentioned total units. The applicant proposes 8 acres of open space that includes buffer and amenized storm water ponds in phase two as well as passive and active recreation areas constructed under phase one such
as walking trails, sports fields, playground and picnic areas. The landscape plan proposes planning of red maples, cedars, sycamore blue Japanese blueberries, and live oak trees in the project area.
The DRC recommends approval at its meeting on April 8, 2025. The planning commission unanimously recommended approval of this major development plan. The recommended motion is to approve the Wolf Lake Ranch phase 2 major development plan. Staff and applicant
are available for questions. I have a question for attorney Clifford. Uh this is a if it's a conflict of interest. I currently have clients on the contract in Wolf Lake Ranch phase as a real estate broker with my company. So am I allowed to vote on this phase two? Uh
the answer is your safe bet is to declare conflict. I could go through all the analysis but given the circumstances the easiest way you have enough of an issue that you should declare it not vote and make sure you fill out the form within 15 days after this meeting. Sooner is better. Okay. So I'm declaring
not to vote on this. Okay. Due to a conflict of interest. All right. Any other questions for Jean? I said two quick ones and I I brought this up either it's either it wasn't yesterday but a meeting before the access to the the emergency access to
the original neighborhood the original phase it appears to be locked when you drive by. I don't know if that's okay to be that way if that's it's it's gated. It's gated and I believe per fire requirements it's through what they call
okay a knock box. Yeah. Uh Luke class A engineering coordinating with the fire department. They they have a specific box there like the Knox box but that gate um we didn't do a good job of coordinating with the fire department and really explaining the the elevation difference there. And so with this phase
two they'll be connecting through to the gate gated entry. We're providing a second emergency access and that's really going to be the emergency access for the whole development at at the end of the day. Uh fire doesn't prefer that access the front one's off Pon right now. So where's the other it'll be on
we're going to extend um Pon Pines Road and pave it uh with the concrete driveway or asphalt one of the two. Uh we're coordinating with fire right now on that it it's right there on the screen on the left side. It's gated. You see uh right below the red down down. Yeah,
right there. So that's an emergency. That's emergency that that will connect to Ponaman Pines. The one you see on the southern end. I don't know how to do that, but um so there's a main entrance on the southern side in phase one that that'll be the
primary. Correct. It's a gated entrance. It's so it's a private roads and it's going to remain private roads. This entrance right here will connect through to phase one. There's a separate exhibit um yeah kind of I think
we yeah you can kind of see it here right here where it connects down through to the phase one area. Understood. Okay. And this this is not a new gated access. It's just emergency only to really replace that existing. Understood. I thought that was an additional gated access entry on that.
So that's exclusively for emergency uh responders, things of that nature. Okay, got it. Second question was just uh are we uh providing any access to Northwest Direct directly from this neighborhood at all? No, we coordinated with the POPA staff on that. They they want to control the access points. Um I think they have
an access to the north off of Lent Road, but I I don't think it's a community access point. I think it's just for staff and for uh maintenance purposes. Okay. So, they don't want the more access points the li makes it harder for them to control. So my understanding is they don't want access
from the western side of the park. They try to keep most things off Jason Dwelly or off app. Okay. Even if it was just a walking path it not it not not actually providing vehicle access but we had asked initially but I think it's still a kind of a conflict. It's Orange County Public Schools has the same thing. I think it's just a matter of control of
the parks andor the schools. They don't want access points. Yeah. I was I would we would love to do an access points to the park. I I agree but I can also understand from a safety perspective. Sure. The access point. So, I we ask, but when we're told no, we don't fight
too hard. It's like, all right, we we get it. Okay, understood. Thank you. But I I like the idea. We would have loved to do it. Where is the uh Todd Park for this one? Or do you have a recreation for this phase? There is there's multiple recreations points. So, they they'll because they'll be part of the
same community, they'll be able to use what's done in the phase one. There's actually a um I don't know if you've ever seen videos, but a parkour course. It's like a playground course on the south side. It's really neat for the residents. Never done that as well as a sitting area. We're looking to do an outdoor movie theater as well as a little dog park area. So, there's multiple different Is it inside the
phase one? Because when I drive past Pankin, there's a park or that you could see is visible. It's not behind inside um the Wolf Lake branch, the first phase. It's this park. This parkour is
within it. Um I'm not sure what other park can. Okay. I I know what she's talking about. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. But first I'm going to add one more clarification on the access. Um Tina Deasny with MI Homes 400 International Parkway sweet 417 470 Lake
Mary Florida. Um the when we went through the DRC review this um shows that it is on our plans it shows it as emergency access only because we knew that they would want you know an additional access. When we went through the process, the fire chief asked us to
go ahead and design it um to be a future someday resident only gate access. He goes, "Once that road is paved, when we did this phase, we weren't we didn't control the road. It's owned by the property across the street and so we
couldn't do a full rideway 60 foot rideaway crosssection. Um so we agreed to design the entrance to where it could become in the future a resident only access. Then when phase three comes in, which you've seen the reasonzoning on, which was the Lutz property, um we're
going to build the road to 60 ft um width. And at that point, we can modify this and make it a resident only gate. It will not be for access for guests. But I did want to make that clarification in case you it comes around and you see it later. Okay. Thank you. Um for the parks in phase one, we
had close to eight acres of um open space at the front along the road. we preserve that kind of aesthetic um of that area. And up in the trees, which is part of phase one, um it's it's forward of the walls, but it is part of phase one. There is we have our a community
park in there with the playgrounds. We did them wood and we tucked them into the trees to where they looked kind of aesthetic and part of the trees. And we also um did cow fence along all of the what looks like horse fence so that people could have their dogs and their
kids and things like that out there in this eight acres of um kind of play area. And then we also have a seating area down below. I'll have to kind of look because I every time I pass it I'm like it's so
odd that it's sitting outside of phase one. It's in phase one, but it's it's not enclosed. It's just like sitting out there. It's like um if you go down the culde-sac at the end of phase one, um there's pedestrian walkway that goes
through there and it goes to the um the top kind of the park the it's it's actually a parkour course for kids. And then it also goes down. There's a little seating area. We have a little um PA seating area that's tucked up under the the trees. And then we also have a uh
pedestrian access way so that residents of phase one and future phase two can cut quickly and get over to Ponen Road and get close to the school without having to go out to Ponkin Pines and walk down. So we do have a resident pedestrian gate. So it's all just tucked
in there in the woods and it um you know we uh kind of designed it to where it was uh to to look like that. So but the residents in phase one and phase two will have access to each other's amenities. up in phase two. We're gonna do kind of an outdoor kitchen um gathering area. We're gonna do like uh
Luke mentioned, we're gonna do a outdoor movie theater and some nice stuff. So, we're kind of excited about it. Okay. You're excited. I have passed that park and I still can't figure it out, but I'll I'll have to go in go in like you're going to go see the model. Go down to the toac and you can walk down
and see all those those parks. Easy access. Okay. Just the people who the people have the walls in the backyards, they just can't get to them. They have to go out onto the street and go around to get to it. I'll I'll have to do that because for me it's safety because it's
kind of odd. Pumpkin is a very heavily traveled road and you know if someone sends their children out to play by themselves, which they shouldn't, but they do. It's just, you know, it's not safe for me. I'm always looking for safety. Yeah. So, um, we do have the
gates and they're, you know, on there and, you know, I would assume that parents would be responsible for their children. So yeah. So hopefully that helped explain how it all works together. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? All right. Close this
public hearing and Rob Olsson 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. My purpose is not to drag this out, but to point out at every opportunity and get on the record, this 59 units is 22 more more students. I'd like to point out in 20 years, there's only once that
Orange County Public Schools said no to a new development. And this commission approved it still. That was Hammer Estates in 2019. They, as long as they can put a trailer on campus, they're going to approve new schools. We look to you to look out for our students and look out
for our children. As I pointed out before and I'll point it out again, those trailers cost more to operate. They are more expensive to operate and they're not as safe. Anytime there's a weather event, guess where those kids go? To the brick andmortar schools. We've got to take this seriously. Same
thing question. I'm not going to beat it to death. This also generates 118 more cars. Thank you. All right. Anybody else? Mayor, may I respond to his comment? Sure. Um Tina Devosy with MI Homes um 400
International Parkway, Sweet 470 Lake Mary, Florida. Um we have actually already entered um the process to do a um concurrency mitigation agreement with Orange County Public Schools. So um we we've you know paid the $2,500 fee. We're working through the agreement
which will require us to prepay our impact fees um prior to Platt. They'll basically as soon as we sign the agreement, they'll give us like 90 days to um make a prepayment. And what that does, it allows the school board to start putting the funding towards any
necessary improvements. Um and if you um in the attachments to the project, I think we were like 6 on school seats um as far as deficiency um because they are adding another elementary school nearby and um you know, they have the capacity
so in the for the high school and adjacency. So um but we are entering into the mitigation agreement to prepay our impact fees which again it helps the school board get ahead of where normally they had to stay behind um the ball a ball because they couldn't do it until they were over capacity. So anyway thank
you let you know. Thank you. All right close the vote here for a motion to approve the major development plan for the Wolf Lake Ranch phase 2 development. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith.
A second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries unanimous. No, no, no. She abain. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, it's four 40 with Commissioner Anderson due to conflict. All right.
Next up, annual comprehensive financial report for fiscal year September 30, 2024. BL Sherman. Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners. Bland Sherman, finance director. As stated, we do have the annual financial report for the fiscal
year 2024 U from Malding and Jenkins LLC. We have Garrett Marlo here, the audit manager to give you an oversight overview of those results. Garrett. Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor Commissioners, thank you all for having me. Uh the
partner on the job, Dan Anderson, does send his regards. He's not unable to make the meeting today. Um I'm Garrett Marlo. I'm a senior manager with Maldin Jenkins and I'm the one who's primarily responsible for the day-to-day audit management um for the city's audit. And today I'll be giving you a brief presentation. And just to start off
with, um I'll give you some more info about who are your auditors, who is M&J, and then we'll move into the overview of the audit opinions and a little bit more description of the ACTER. and then we'll move on to our required communications under government auditing standards and then we'll wrap up if anybody has any questions. So to begin with who are your
auditors? Maldin and Jenkins is a large southeast regional firm and we serve over 725 governmental clients. It's the largest nation our firm and then we've also performed in the last year over 220 uh single audits of which the city did have one federal and one state single
audit in FY24. And then to move on to the act for itself, the main requirements for financial statements is just the financial uh section. And the city does go above and beyond Blanch and her staff for the introductory section as well as
the statistics which is what makes it the annual comprehensive financial report. And the city did receive uh the certificate of financial achievement last year and we'll be applying again this year as well. Then to move on to our audit opinion, we did consider the internal
control structure for the purpose of expressing our opinion um for the city's financial statements. But we did not provide an opinion on the effectiveness of internal controls. That is a negative assurance. Our audit was performed in accordance with generally accepted auditing standards as well as governmental auditing standards. And our
objective is to provide reasonable not absolute assurance that the basic financial statements are free of material misstatement. And then at the end of the day, the financial statements are the responsibility of city's management. And I'm happy to report that the city did receive an unmodified,
which is a clean opinion um on the basic financial statements, which is the highest form of assurance that we can render. And we uh they have been presented fairly in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America. And our responsibility for the audit does not
extend beyond the information contained in the act. And then towards the end of the act, you will see a compliance report. This is what built off earlier with the negative assurance as far as the city's internal controls and compliance with laws, regulations, etc. And the report is not intended to provide an opinion on
the internal controls. And this report is required by government auditing standards. And we are happy to report that there were no findings this year. So that would make back-to-back years no findings. And then as mentioned earlier, there were two single audits this year. The city did receive and spend approximately 3.1 million in federal
funds and about 1 million in state awards. And we did perform one one uh federal single audit which covered 2.6 million of those federal awards. And the state single audit covered 928,000 of that million dollar in state expenditures. And we also did note no
issues throughout our single audit testing. and to elaborate on our required communications. U management is responsible for the selection and use of appropriate accounting policies and the significant policies are outlined in more in depth in note one of the
financial statements and during the current year there were no new standards that had a significant impact on the city's financials and the policies used by the city are in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. And then considering the qualitative aspects of its policies, as far as we're concerned, the city was not
engaged in any controversial or emerging issues for which future guidance from Gazsby is not available. And then there are accounting estimates um throughout the financial statements, most notably the net pension liabilities or the um oped liabilities as well as the estimated useful life of your capital assets. And these are
tested throughout our audit process. And then finally, we did receive full cooperation from Blancher staff. did an amazing job getting us everything that we needed to be able to uh complete the audit timely and there were no disagreements um with management or um related to any accounting issues throughout the
process. And at the end of our audit process, we did receive a written representation from management and as far as we are aware uh management did not consult with or opinion shop for any other better opinions with other accounting firms and there were no significant issues discussed with
management. And then lastly, there were audit adjustments. Um, they have been posted by management and there were no past adjustments. And the footnote disclosures are integral and we have made sure they are internally consistent from the face of the statements throughout the footnotes. And then our responsibility
for the other information in the documents does not extend beyond the information included in our reports. And then lastly, we are independent with um the city of Apka as required by ASICPA professional standards. And then our additional um report which
Blanch will hand out to you guys after is our ADNA of our required communications and it has the summary of the current year findings which there weren't any as well as there are some future pronouncements for future Gazby standards. Nothing that's going to have significant impact here in the next couple years but just kind of outlies
what Gazby has coming down the pipeline. Thank you all for your time. Anybody have any questions? Any questions for Garrett? Just a quick one. Thank you for your time and and uh in your presentation the and and you spoke about this or or labeled this a
few times or or discussed it. You're not seeing deep dives in each account or uh a deep dive in each uh report. It's basically what we're providing to you. You're you're matching with some things, some certainty, but then assuming it's fact and then moving forward. Correct. It depends on an individual account
basis. We base everything based off risk and materiality. So if you have any specific accounts that um you would like to discuss, we can definitely discuss and I will let you know. But I mean for this specific report um for this specific report, we are testing the financial statements. So as far as we are concerned, they're free material in the statement. Okay. And you're not but
you don't track the custody of money that who's when it's going from one count to another. You're not tracking any of that. You're again we do cash walkthroughs and forms of testing for specific items like that in our audit processes, but it's not deep dives. It's a normal consistent audit. It's not a
deep dive like it's or when you say deep dive are you trying to compare to like a forensic audit almost? Okay. Yeah. It's not the same level as a forensic audit. Um because that's more of just a specific item itself. But we do consider cash walkthroughs throughout the basis of our testing. Okay. And does your
company do any forensic auditing at all? Yes sir. Okay. Understood. Thank you. Any other questions for Garrett? Okay. Um I just couple things that just looking at the report I just want to bring up here that it's in here just but
just for the record. Um this is from Bald and Jenkins and it says we are required to be an independent of the city and to meet our other ethical responsibilities in accordance with the relevant ethical requirements related to our audit. We believe that the audit
evidence we have obtained is sufficient and appropriate to prov provide a basis for our audit opinions. So just want to ask you Garrett, how many times did we meet over the last since you started the audit process um for this year? Yeah, I believe Daniel met with you in the fall
and then um we do also contact a member of the council um for inquiries throughout the audit process as well. So that that means one, right? Yes, sir. And you haven't given anybody on this council any any campaign checks? No second. Okay. All right. Then the second
um what page you that was on number one. This one is on number 18. Okay. It says management believes an operating reserve equals equal to three months operating expenses and transfers out in the general fund should be maintained. At
September 30th, 2024, the operating reserve calculates to 19,6868,717 and the unassigned fund balance exceeds this reserve amount by 22,382,882. So, is that correct statement? Yes, sir. Okay. All right.
So, I just I want to, you know, thank thank you. I mean, it was I mean, between our staff and your your staff, you know, we were able to get this thing done in record time, and I appreciate, you know, you working hard to do this and and I guess, as Blanch will would tell you that, you know, unfortunately, we're we're at the end of our our
three-year agreement, and because of the the state and federal, you know, um requirements, we have to go back to out audit, and you won't be our next auditor. But we, you know, you've been a great pleasure to work with. We we thank you and we have nothing but but great
admiration for you know your your thoroughess in and giving us you know uh a statement that I think we're all should be proud of. So so thank you. And just to confirm this was not a forensic audit. Correct. No sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anybody from the public wish to speak on
this one? Okay. If not, look for a motion to approve the annual comprehensive financial report for fiscal year ending September 30th, 2024 for Malden and Jenkins LLC. So moved. Got a motion by
Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Velasquez. All those in favor? I. All opposed. Motion carries now. Thank you. And mayor, since you mentioned that we do have to go out for an RFP for u selection of new auditors, it does
require that we have a board member, council member on that committee. So you can be thinking about which one of you would like to sit on the committee. Okay. Why won't we put that on the agenda for ne the next meeting? So if you want to reach out to Blanch if there's anybody on the council that
would like to to be on that committee. I know we asked somebody last time and they they declined. So, you know, anyway, anybody's welcome to uh to get with Blanch about being on that committee. Yes. And so, they won't be able to be on the next process.
Be in the next They can't be I'm not I don't know. They can't some I have to look at the statutes and see if it says they can't. He wants to know if these audit auditors can bid on the next RFP or they can submit a proposal.
Yeah. Yeah. We have I thought it was three years and you had to No, cuz they had a 5year contract. Five? Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Yeah. So, we'll find out. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. All right.
Okay. Let's see. Next up, uh, ordinance number 3102. No, no, you have the one that got pulled in. Oh, I'm sorry. So, public hearing number five, which is the CDBG grant. Yes sir. Yep. Okay. Which
was consent agenda item number 11. Yes. And according to the rules behind this with Florida Commerce and the CDBG funding, we have to uh present this as a business item. And I do have to make four statements to you. This award is contingent upon the site Pacific
Environmental Review approved by the Florida Department of Commerce. The award is contingent upon the sole bidder being approved by the Florida Department of Commerce. The bid amount of $143,260.89 exceeded 15% of the rehab
cost of 95,950. The bid amount of $143,260.89 exceeded the 60,000 CDBG rehabilitation amount. staff and Fred Fox Enterprise who is the grant administrator and the CDBG housing
specialist recommend the contract award to RDC development in the amount of 157,58697 and that includes a 10% contingency. Any questions for Blanch? I have a question. Do we have a description of
what's going to be renovated in the property? Actually, I do. Um it's and I will be happy to share that detail with you. It's a lot and I did share with Commissioner um Nester because he did
ask. Um but if you like I will go through everything. Okay. This house will include I got to take these off. The permitting cost is about 1,500. Other material
504 WDO inspection $937 masonary work $475 thou $475 um point up $971 carpentry $1,11
um reframe 1 75311 this list. So, what if we table this? Can I just list because Commissioner Anderson, I think, uh, some of these numbers will be a little glaring to you as well. Uh, just
specifically being in the industry. So, I think it's it's definitely worthwhile for everybody to see the same numbers you're reading out because there's details to everything you're it's not just that. I think it's very beneficial to know exactly what those numbers are. So, what's your concern? I just want to understand the scope. Okay. Okay. Cuz
when I heard WDR heard $900 and some dollars and usually that that's not I'm just want to understand the numbers. That's all. Okay. It's just again they have more rehab than others. Yeah. So we want to table this to the next meeting. Guess email all the council. I
mean everyone wants a copy of it description of it. No problem. Okay. You want to table it? Look for a motion to table well item number five on the business agenda which is the um CDBG
grant edition. The fifth house. Yeah, the fifth house. Yeah. Okay. Wait a minute. I need a motion. So got a motion by Commissioner Velasquez. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor. All oppose. And we're tableing to when? Next
week. Next meeting. Okay. Next week. Thank you. weeks. Yeah. Next meeting. Okay. Next up, what do we got here? Ordinance number 3,102. Ordinance number
3,12. An ordinance of the city of Papka, Florida, changing the zoning from county A1 Citrus Rural to KPI MU Kelly Park interchange mixed use assignment of neighborhood district overlay for certain real property generally located
west of Golden Gem Road south of Nightshade Grove Lane and Sadler Road comprising 19.76 acres more or less owned by Timothy Birfield, Robert and Stacy Mos providing for severability conflicts in an effective date.
For the record, Jean Sanchez with the community development department. This is a request to accept the first reading of ordinance number 3102 and hold it over for second reading and adoption in May 21st, 2025. This includes the approval of the change of zoning from
county A1 to KPIMU, Kelly Park interchange mixed use, assignment of neighborhood overlay district, as well as approval of Golden Gem Estates master plan and major development plan. The properties are located west of Golden Gem and south of Nightshade Grove
Lane. The applicant is requesting to a change of zoning of the subject properties to be consistent with the surrounding properties as well as compliant with the city's comprehensive plan and land development code. They were annexed to
the city of Apopka on October 16, 2024 and a future land use amendment from county role to city mixed use. um both adopted on December 18th, 2024 by ordinance numbers 3073 and 3074
respectively. The master plan major development plan details a subdivision plan for 65 single family detached units on 19.7 acres. The applicant proposes almost 3 acres of open space that includes a dog park, walking area and in
the central portion of the subdivision and a seating and gathering space as well as the trail around the storm water pond. The master plan major development plan shows a connection to Green Shade Grove Lane through the adjacent Gardinia Reserve subdivision as well as the
primary ingress egress and Golden Gem Road. The proposed architectural renderings appear to meet the design standards of the code. Definitive approval is issued once floor plan dimensions are reviewed by staff. The DRC recommends approval of
the change of zoning neighborhood overlay district assignment, master plan, and major development development plan at its meeting on April 8, 2025. The planning commission unanimously recommended approval of the change of zoning as well as the neighborhood
overlay district assignment and master and major development plans. The recommended motion is to accept the first reading of ordinance number 3102 and hold it over for second reading and adoption on May 21st, 2025 or soon thereafter. Staff and applicant are
available for questions. All right. Any questions for Jean? Anybody from public wish to speak? Olson, 3156 Rolling Hills Lane. Uh, this would require again another 22 students that'll be put in the system, another
130 vehicles on Golden Gem Road. Thank you. Albert McKim 363 Golden Gem Road. We discussed Golden Gem Road earlier on and the requirement for impact fees to resolve some of the problems that we're going to have on Golden Gem Road. I
fully appreciate that a lot of people are concerned about traffic density on Golden Gem Road, but what you need to remember is within the other developments that are currently being created, there are internal roads which will allow you to transfer from uh their
subdivisions onto either Sarrento Road uh onto FA and onto Sadler without actually trans having to drive at Golden Gem Road. our chief commissioners to take into consideration that we really need to impact fees for the whole of the
area Golden Gem Road if we're going to do anything to uh upgrade the road. Anybody else from the public wish to speak? Thank you. All right. If not, look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3102 at first reading and hold
over for a second reading and adoption. So, I I I will have to say this because I did mention this at the pre-aggenda. When I looked back, this was one that I had voted against back
in December, I guess, first and second reading because this is from the original ordinance 3 3073 and 3074. That's correct. And and back then there was a 32 on both of them. It was an
annexation. Sorry, go ahead. What happened? It was an annexation and future land use amendment. Okay. So, I had disapproved the annexation as well as the future land use amendment. I I think I did. And that was
because of Golden Gem. Yes, it was. And I remember I stated that. So, I'm going to stay consistent with it because um I do have some concerns about the this project, the impact on Golden Gem.
I had a question. I just wanted to make that public. The the developer to the project to the north of this one, same developer, correct? Yeah. Uh it's the same engineer, not the same developer. Okay.
with that intersection because it was Sadler and Golden Gem. There was road improvements both on Sadler and uh Golden Gem Road. Are they doing similar improvements to Golden Gem Road out front of their project? Go ahead.
Afternoon Jeff Summit with Summit Engineering 3667 Simon to place Lake Mary Florida. Uh, Commissioner Nesta, to your to your question, in regards to Golden Gym Road, yes, we were going to make connections to Nightshade Lane, and that was going to go through to Saddler, and those improvements with Gardinia
Reserve were made. Sadler was actually paved. It was a it was a dirt road at the time when we did that project. There were turn lane improvements made to Golden Gym Road at that time with that project. With this project, our intent was to work with the city and the design of Golden Gym Road to incorporate the
improvements for this in the plans that the city was currently undertaking for for the widening and the improvement of Golden Gym Road. So, what we were doing to try to work with city staff here is we had oversized our pond for the development so that we could provide storm water treatment for that proposed
project of the widening of Golden Gym Road. And then we were also stubbing out a storm pipe for the city to connect to at some point in the future when those widening plans were done. In addition, we were also dedicating rightaway along Golden Gym Road to help with the the the future widening of Golden Gym at the
same time. So, as far as the improvements to Golden Gym Road, those kind of got cooked in with the design plan. So, because we're already designing it, if maybe if we weren't designing it already, yeah, we would we would do the standard. Yeah. If we weren't designing it and we didn't have this opportunity to kind of do this co-op, right? this this this agreement,
we would we would do it standalone similar to what you see on the other projects on Golden Gym Road. But the problem with that approach is and just real quickly is the improvements on Golden Gym Road because they're being driven by the county because you guys don't control the road. They're not consistent. The county has been completely inconsistent
with in regards to what they've required in the past on Golden Gym Road. So, going back to the ILA agreement that we talked about earlier, if you guys don't take control of this road, you're really not going to be able to drive what happens on any improvements that the county does want to go put in place. So,
I think, you know, from my perspective, that's why that is so critical for you guys to get done. Understood. Thank you. All right. Anybody else from the public wish to speak on this one? If not, close the public hearing. Look for a motion to approve ordinance number 3102 at first
reading and hold over for a second reading and adoption. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? I. All oppose? Name. So it's four to one with Commissioner Velasquez voting in opposition. All
right. Ordinance number 3107. Mayor, that's the one we're going to move to June 4th. Well, I know we need to still need to bring it forward. Ordinance number 3107, an ordinance of the city of Aapcoa, Florida to extend its territorial and municipal limits to
annex pursuant to Florida statute 171.044. The here and after described land situated and being in Orange County, Florida owned by PM1 LLC, HMF LLC, Charles P. Stallings,
Kim L. Stallings, Ule E. Stallings Jr. and Crystal Denise Stallings located on the northwest corner of Andage Road and State Road 453 and State Road 429
comprising of 199.46 acres more or less providing for directions to the city clerk severability conflicts and an effective date. Good afternoon, Bobby Hal, planning manager. applicant requested a continuence of this item to the June 4th city council meeting uh as Mr. Williams had indicated in the agenda
review. Well, we want to go ahead and we need to go ahead and and present it and because if there's somebody here, anybody here to to speak on this one? If if not, then we Yeah, we can do that. I just had to give everybody opportunity couldn't come to the next meeting. Okay. All right. So, counting on nobody
wanting to speak on this matter, then we'll look for a motion to I just want to say one and I I have to kind of say this on June 4th, that was the date that I had or when I spoken to um our former CEO. So, and I think I mentioned it to
our present CEO, I will not be available on that day. Um, I have a commitment that I cannot change and I will tell everyone it is the graduation of my only granddaughter. Oh, congratulations. And I will be in South Florida. It's the
same date, same time. All right. So, all the years that I've been up here, this is going to be the first that I have to say that I will not be present on June 4th. All right. Uh looking for a motion to continue
ordinance number 3107 to the June 4th, 2025 agenda. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson? Second. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All opposed.
Motion carries unanimously. Next up, resolution 2025-18. Okay. Can I just take a two-minut break before you start this one? Okay, I just need to go to lady's Meeting back to order. We are on resolution 2025-9.
18 18. Okay. Resolution 2025-8. A resolution of the city council of the city of Apakka, Florida, amending the budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024 and ending September 30th, 2025,
providing for a budget amendment. Glance, chairman of finance director. Um, this budget amendment is actually related to the item that just got tabled. Um, so if we want to table this item as well. Any questions for Blanch? Anybody from
the public wish to speak on this one? If not, we'll look for a motion to table resol resolution 2025-18 to the the next meeting which is May. And why do we need to table this one? Because this is related to the CDBG
housing. This was additional money for that fifth home and that item got tabled. Well, I assume we table that one because of the extensive list that it was want to look at. This one's pretty simple and straightforward. That's all. All tied together based off
of that. Pleasure of the council. Whatever you want. Yeah. Okay. All right. Looking for a motion to table. So move. Got a motion by Commissioner Smith. Second. Second by Commissioner Anderson. All those in favor? All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.
Thanks. Resolution 2025-9. Resolution 2025-9. A resolution of the city council of the city of Apopkco, Florida providing for public participation policy and procedures for addressing the city council providing for severability
conflicts and an effective date. Bradley. Hello mayor, commissioners. Uh this afternoon I have before council for consideration is resolution 202519 public participation policy and procedures for addressing city council.
Uh the mayor's office worked with staff to review and update resolution 2020 or 20616 provided for public participation policy and procedures for addressing council. Uh key updates to the 202519 proposed resolution include uh
the city council meeting agenda setting aside 30 minutes at the very beginning of each council meeting as the public comment period. Uh citizens who complete the intent to speak form will be given three minutes to speak to address city council which is a change from four uh to allow as many citizens as possible
to speak if a large number of citizens are present. Uh the time per speaker could be reduced down to two minutes per speaker. Uh groups of citizens who wish to speak on the same item or concern may elect a spokesperson to speak on their behalf,
in which case an additional one minute will be given to the spokesperson's time per citizen up to six minutes total. Uh citizens wishing to elect a spokesperson must be present during the public comment period, indicate the spokesperson on their intent to speak forms, and submit their forms together to the city clerk.
Uh public participation and comment on agenda items uh are also adjusted to three minutes per speaker. Any questions for Bradley on this one? Um I had written him a an email and um I
had asked him to for section one. If you go to section one, where is section one? Okay. Um where it reads, "At the start of each meeting,
the mayor may in the mayor's discretion make any or all of the following announcements when the mayor calls uh the meeting to order and you know this is A, B, and C and D." So I asked for
that to be um the chair slash mayor should read the decorum announcement at the beginning uh before calling the meeting to order. He should call it he should read the decorum at every meeting rather than if if at his discretion and
and the reasoning I felt was important was that we be consistent at the beginning of every public reading we should read the decorum. Okay. So, I'm trying to think, Cliff, where do we how do we uh It should be
the chair or slash the mayor because if for some reason the mayor is not so it' be a different section because everything else in A through D is may. So, you want to put a shall. She wants to put a shall in there. Read the
decorum statement. Just read the decorum statement. Okay. I I think it's being consistent with every meeting. That would do it. Okay. And then um section 10 that was interesting um because I didn't realize that you know
we had always been with 2016 but that section also said that during workshops there would be no public comment session but we have been doing that. So I I I felt that we should just remove that
and allow for co public comment at the workshops. Um and I wrote this. I wrote it was interesting to read the original resolution read public comment will not be heard during workshop meetings and public comments would be allowed at the
public council meeting following the workshop. Well, we haven't been following that. um workshops and then I wrote workshops don't always precede a scheduled public council meeting and I wrote the practice has not been followed
and the chair mayor slash mayor and commission have been allowing public comments during workshop meetings including budget workshops since the chair and the uh slash mayor and commission have not followed this practice or enforced this
protocol I would respectfully asked this to be updated allowing public comment allowing the public comment session at the end of the workshop rather than during the workshop. Still the three minute limit would apply to each speaker because the
workshop is really about um the commission kind of going back and forth and discussing whatever the topic is or the issue. So to have public comment in between really um kind of disrupts the
discussion I feel. But at the end, if we allow um our uh residents, constituents to come up, they've had they've had the opportunity to sit through the entire workshop and then they can come up at
the end and kind of uh you know add their comments, their opinions, whatever they may have uh a question about. Um they can do that at the end. that is a discretionary item for your uh consideration. I will tell you the the
the pros and cons and suggest an alternative instead of a a shall there. It might be best to have uh it there may be public comment during workshops at the discretion of the body which would be you all. And the reason why
discretion is important is just exactly what you said as an example and it varies from city to city. Maitlyn likes to do workshops in the middle of the day like from noon to 2. Well, if you had public comment, then effectively the time that the body can have the workshop
is cut off by however much time gets into the public comment and then the workshop doesn't get accomplish what's it's gotten to accomplish. But if for example the workshop was done where all the internal discussion was done in an hour and you had some time left over on a schedule between 12 and two, then you
could have by discretion of the body open to comment. But to your point, the reason for not having public comment in a workshop is so that you guys can get together and hash out ideas together. But again, it's always okay to
have it as a discretionary item. Or if you want to have it as mandatory, it's okay too. But it usually is the determined factor is is the workshop limited in time because if you have an hour set aside, you're going to probably need that hour and there may not be time for comment there. And that's okay as
long as you're not making any decisions there. There has to be comment before decisions are made. How about this? What if we did kind of a mo some something between the two of you? Say with time, if time allows, public comment is welcome. So you if you got a two-hour
block and we spend an hour and 40 minutes, then you'd have 20 minutes for public comment. Would that well as long as we allow it because again I didn't realize that in the first resolution that we weren't
allowing it but we have been doing it and so with this new resolution I don't want to change it because we've already been allowing it so I want to well let me let me throw out an example of our budget workshops there's so much that goes on and so much detail of
information that goes on I would hate to wait until five different departments speak and then we only give residents four minutes to discuss all their questions or concerns of every single department. That's not nearly enough. And I again we're doing the work of the people. So I don't want to limit their time either. And I'm again speaking
specifically to the budget uh workshops for that specific scenario and I think it's it depends on the workshop. For that I I want to hear okay parks and comes up and presents. I want to hear from the public pros and cons. What are you guys thinking? What are you feeling? Are we on point? Are we not? Then the next department, next department. and we
need instant feedback to be able to make that decision. Whereas if we go through 2 3 4 hours of workshop and the residents only have four minutes to respond to all that information. It's it's it's not fair. It's not equitable for public participation in that. Well, he what he's saying is that the
workshops when we do publicly notice them, we are publicly noticing them from one time to another. We've gone over many many times. So I think what he's saying is that the if we say at the discretion of a council, right, then we can determine that. Okay. So that way we allow it and not excel like what it
currently is doing now. Okay. Okay. So what's that wording going to be then? I think there should I think there should always be shall be a public comment section at a workshop regardless of well we've got we have to have by the
board. The board would because we don't have the time. Yeah. But so that's what so if we have a two-hour workshop and that's all the time we dedicated to it and our discussions do go long and then we get to that two-hour mark then hey we ran out of time. Sorry public you don't get you don't get a turn. I think it's a
discretion at the discretion. We'll decide at that time if we can to extend it. I think there should always be a public comment section that works the discretion of the time limits things of that nature. I I don't think we should be limiting. I think it's very
this can be an issue because workshops are very important especially if we're coming into South Paka annexation and that I don't want to on the fly say uh we've answered enough and we'll hit it on the we'll do public comment beginning of next meeting. Yeah, I think it's important to have it and it should be a
shall not a at our discretion. Commissioner Smith, you've got a Well, it said it's actually welcome at the next meeting. Yeah. I mean, it's different. I I I I agree with what our counselor said. During during the workshop, you don't want to have
interruptions while we are discussing and debating whatever the item is that we're doing. Uh, and I have no problem with public comment at at the end when we're done. Uh I think
in Commissioner Nester's comments, the budget workshop may be an exception uh to that that the end of a at the end of a departmental education. Yeah. Then they allowed to do
that. That will only be you could carve out an exception just for budget workshops. Yes. Okay. Okay. or Cliff, could they say public comment allowed at workshops at the discretion of the council and leave it up to the council to determine when that's what I but the
problem is with that what I don't prefer about that is that do we have input up front to let the residents know hey we are allowing public comment they don't know they're going to have public comment before the meeting happens and that I think is we need to articulate you're going to have a section at the end of every uh department to be able to
present or to ask your questions. I think that's key. But I think that's what we said for the for the budget. For the budget because if not and what other workshops I guess what are there we don't have many other workshops. So there will be a lot of
information trying to retain and a budget workshop ask them to wait all the way to the end. So I think at the end of each departmental presentation well I think the same I mean think South Paka annexation workshops I assume we're going to be having quite a few of those that information as well
uh with different because we've had it to where each department has come up and presented and I want to make sure that if there's questions that the fire comes up in in states kind of where they're at fire uh police I want to be able to have residents have that same opportunity. Okay. It's just a lot of information and
and then to limit two hours of conversation into four minute end comment is my concern. Well, I'm only in favor of doing that for the budget budget because we have to still make sure we're able to accomplish that the workshop we're trying to do. Yeah.
All right. Okay. So, look like we've I don't have quite consensus, but pretty close to consensus on how that needs to read. He's saying if we have um the annexation workshops um they would just be we we do have
presentations by our discretion. By our discretion, right? Yeah. And then for budget budget is is we budget. Okay. And understand there's a minimum of two public hearings for the annexation. Public hearings by definition are for
public comment, right? So any workshops would be an additional. Yeah, that's a different scenario and different beast though because we've already made kind of the finalized decisions at that point. It's pretty solid at that point. Yes, we can make some adjustments, but at those workshops, that's where we really fine-tune uh what's going to be in those ordinances. So I I I don't
disagree with you. I'm simply saying that there is absolutely going to be public participation. I hear you. We're checking the box. I understand the box is checked. I I hear you on that. I always want to do more than just the bare minimum. So I hear you on that. Thank you.
All right. So, uh, and and just, you know, I think for me it was just it was trying to kind of not mirror Orange County, but in a lot of ways it's mirroring Orange County, although Orange County only gives 15 minutes at the beginning of the meeting and we're giving 30. So, we're we're doubling the amount of time that Orange County gives.
I They don't give they give a lot of time, way more than uh 15 minutes. According to their their policy, whether they're policy or something else, I that meet They spend as much time as necessary for the residents to speak. Yeah. I I I've sat on the planning and
zoning board and you know their public comment will go as long as you have a slip in everyone gets to correct. When I went and there was I think like 20 individuals that came to address one
item and before the public comment started the mayor said you would get one minute each. Yeah. Right. And there was no question about it. Yeah. But that's two two different scenarios we're talking about there. One is we're capping 30 minutes of all public comment. So if you don't if you're not in basically that's 10 speakers is what
is being suggested here. 10 total speakers and no more. Whereas Orange County allows as many speakers as are there. They just may reduce the time. No. Sometimes they they've actually cut off public comment before in Orange County. I was there when they cut it off
before. If it's too many, they'll cut it off. Well, they reduced they did they cut they've cut it off where we couldn't speak. It was too many people there and they cut it off we couldn't speak. I haven't seen them personally do that. So I can't speak specific to that but again did but they did did they have a 15-minute time limit 30 minute do you
remember that? So that's I don't remember because we need to be able to apply this consistently and we do have residents come in especi with regardless of the issue. So I I don't prefer setting any time limit to the amount of speakers or time for
public comment. All right. Well, let's open it up for public comment. Yeah. Albert 3603 Golden Gem Road. Anything that that detracts from the public's ability to help you guys do your job is never a good
thing. You have to sit and look at yourselves in the mirror. There's none of you experts in every particular field. For example, tonight, none of you recognize there's a problem on Golden Gem Road with with dividing it into three areas. If we don't get the
opportunity to come up and make you aware of problems and we don't know what's going to be discussed in the meetings, how are we ever going to progress? The mayor has the ability to set the agendas. So if I ask for something to be put in the agenda, it's
very rarely likely it's going to happen. So, you know, if we're limited to a minute or two minutes here, really, what you're saying is public's opinion is irrelevant because they're ignorant and they don't know any
more than you do. It's just not true. We're all specialists in our own own areas. We really need to have better definition of a word workshop. For me, a workshop is different apparently from what you guys see a workshop. I would like to see
maybe more general workshops where you invite the public in without anything on an agenda just to have a conversation about what's happening in the city, how we feel about development, how we feel about annexation. And it should be something
that we should be allowed to go back and for on. For me, that's a workshop. You know, if you guys are just going to discuss it and at the end throw us a a minute to uh have a chat about our feelings, you're never going to get the best from your city residents. We have a
lot to offer the city. Yeah. And we elected you because we believed that you would be there to represent us. you'd be able to you'd allow us to have our own thoughts and opinions so that when you're not sure of what's
happening, you give us the opportunity to voice our opinion there and then and as much public comment as we can possibly get is important. If we can't put things on the agenda, let's have open workshops. Let's have things where we can discuss things and see if the
public come in. If they don't come in, then we know that they're not interested and we're wasting our time. But there seems to be a lot of people who are unhappy about an annexation, who are unhappy about the fact that we're not discussing moratoriums or anything. We really don't get much chance to say what
we feel or make a a real impact in what we're doing. Thank you. Anybody else from the Rodson 3156 rolling as lame. Ditto Abby, you don't know what it's like when you're up at be up there. You can
discuss something, ask questions until the cows come home. We get four minutes. Do you know how hard it is to get what you'd like to say down to four minutes? Anything less than that is unacceptable. The aspect of the one part I did like about it is if you speak for a group,
you can go up to six minutes. Well, I think that might save some time along the way as well, but please look talk to the people that present. Four minutes is a tight time schedule. I'm 35 seconds in just for that brief piece. Thank
you. Anybody else? We should speak. Okay. Close the public hearing. And I think Cliff, do you want to So I guess we'll go back to section one. What we're going to change is it says announcements, commencement of
meeting. At the start of each meeting, the mayor shall make the following shall make shall read. So shall make the following announcements. Yeah. When the mayor calls the meeting order. Okay. So that that get takes care of section one.
Then in section 10. Well, let's go to section four. Let's go in order. Okay. Section four talking about limiting it to 30 minutes. I I I think that's completely inappropriate. We're we're here to work for the residents and listen to them.
So, we don't need to be limiting them in that capacity, especially when there's so many issues going on. 30 minutes is nothing. Again, that's you're saying basically no more than 10 people in a city of 60,000 per meeting. So that there shouldn't be a
time cap to the amount of public comment period we have. I just think having some certainty there gives us gives not only the the residents an opportunity but also for the people here that are actually here to do business that they have some certainty as to when uh the the agenda
items will come to the council. But we're doing the business of who? Citizen. Correct. So we need to be hearing from them. that that's the most important people we should be hearing from first and foremost. So there doesn't need to be a time limit. There's there's no reason to
that. And if 2016-16, which we're editing, that again was eight years working fine. You didn't apply and chose not to apply the rules of the quorum equity, equitably, and equally. You didn't apply the four-minute limit to
everybody and and every resident that come to speak. But some you did, some you didn't. So, how do we know? How do we have confidence in that you will apply the provisions within this resolution if you couldn't do it for 2016-16? I think it's a good this is a good resolution. I think we can all feel
feel like we've done a done a really good a good thing for our not only the constituents, but folks that are here to do business with the city. You doing a good thing. You're the one that took public comment away from them and made sure that it was silenced. You took the live feed away, made them wait hours,
sometimes till the next day to speak to us, and then nonprofits came up to speak, couldn't be heard, wouldn't be able to express. It's free publication for them to make sure they're the ones helping the community, and our community can't hear what they're doing and helping out. So, how is this a good what
do you how is this a good thing in limiting and still restricting what they're doing? you you created the issue and now you're bringing the resolution as if it's look at me I'm doing such a good thing for the community. We don't need to be limiting the time
again that you're saying 10 people max that that's not appropriate and as city of 60,000 that's growing rapidly. There should not be a time limit. The one thing that is Yeah. Yeah. And there should be no reduction in time to two minutes per
speaker because again there's an ambiguity there that's inappropriate of if there's lots of speakers. If they choose to do it, great. And donate their time to other residents. But that we should not be reducing time especially after what you've done to them, the abuse you've already uh costed them
with. So we can adjust section 10 to make sure that budget workshops and we have as much public comment as possible on that. I adjust to say shall make all the following announcements. There should
not be a time cap to this. So, so from my understanding, Orange County does have I think it's they limit to 30 speakers in Orange County, but at the council discretion, they usually allow if there's more people to speak, but Orange County does is 30
in one minute. Yeah. 30 in one minute. Uhhuh. So, I think this is a pretty good compromise gets compromise from what? So I mean how how do you feel if you have um 10 you know you have multiple
citizens for the same issue. Um do we kind of start reducing the whole point of the three and the one was you know like Emerson Park perfect example we had you know you the the one
whoever was leading the charge uh would be able to give you know six minutes with, you know, with three people there in support of her and her position. And I mean, I think anybody, you know, the neighborhoods, which are what we're what we're talking about where there's an issue um with their neighborhood, that
gives them the option to give them a good six minute presentation, which you know, it's I'm okay with that section to donate time. That's equitable for the residents should they choose because it's in their power. It's in their interest. If they want to donate time, they have the opportunity to. And I love
that. It puts power back into the people's hands. So, you like that? Good, good, good, good. Um, yeah, I know. I mean, it's clear that you don't actually want to hear from the residents, though. So, that's where I'm fighting for this and advocating. The residents need to come first. They don't need to be timecapped.
And there's so many diverse issues going on. We don't need to be limiting them in that capacity. And we're different than Orange County. We're different than Mount Dora, Ovido, Sanford. pick your uh comparison. We're different. We're unique. We're special.
We're You always pride yourself on saying that we're we have that small town feel. Limiting them to this is not a small town feel. It doesn't give that that intrinsic, wow, I'm in a community. I feel heard. I feel respected. This says we're just checking the box. Say
what you need to say and get out of here. All right. So back to SE anything else any other sections to get back to section 10. Well Mr. We don't need to be reducing from three to four minutes either to every resident that's come and
spoke again. Do we work for the people or do we work for special interests all every resident has said we need four minutes. We need the time. We don't need to be limited because there are such diverse issues. Uh Mr. Duran for years came up and spoke and advocated and needed all four of those minutes and
always ran up and over those four minutes to properly advocate and get positive change in this community. If we limited that gentleman, especially after what he went through, he may not even have been able to speak if we had a cap like this. And additionally, if we had only gave it three minutes or even one minute, if this goes down to
that, he we might may not have the change that we do right now, which is a positive change for our residents and our fire department. So there shouldn't be a a reduction of three minutes, no time cap. Again, I understand that you guys that the
developers maybe complain, but that's okay. It's just not developer. It's just not developers. I've never had a developer actually complain. They actually sit on I've never heard a developer complain. I think and I believe even if we pass this this ordinance as it is and we had the same situation in which Mr. Durant was in he
would still or she whoever would be with that accentuating circumstance would still be allowed to because of the situation. So, but that's inequitably applying the provisions that are in place. Well, either you're going to allow him
to speak or you're not going to allow him to speak, but I think in that situation it was appropriate to allow him to express himself. I completely agree with you. And so I don't think I think when he made the point that the fact that the public comment was at the
beginning it allowed him to be heard um not only at the beginning but also live streamed which was taken away. Well I think it's not we already move past it already. It's going to go to the uh front of the of the
um coun. It's going to start. Where does that is that say that in here? That's going to be live streamed. It's not going to be at the end. It's going to be at the beginning. Does it say it's going to be live streamed? Yeah, it's going to be live streamed. Does it say it in here? It's going to be live streamed. The language is not in there. No, it didn't say. So, it doesn't change
anything. It didn't say that for you. We didn't take it out. It just never was in there. Yeah. No, but the mayor unilaterally took it out or made it. Are you Are you requesting that it be put in? I would love that. Okay. Just make a request. Sure. Okay. So, we'll add to be live streamed. To be live streamed. We
going to put that in section one. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. Sounds good. Okay. Good. All right. So, we got and then on section 10, just to just to reiterate, Cliff, if you got some language. Yes, sir. Well, on the fly, the answer is no.
But I think if you can understand the concept of carving out workshops, budget work a definite opportunity for public of whatever the rules are
all that can be separate from where it says here to discuss issues of the meeting. The public is always welcome to attend and provide comments regarding outside of meeting
public and again this depends on because this is a debate. It is either shall be heard or may be heard maybe heard at the council's discretion at budget workshops. Yeah. Shall be heard after each department that
yeah that's it. Okay. All right. Good. All right. All right. So I think we've got a a motion. So So everybody's okay with a a time limit then? You all are in agreement for that? Yeah. Yes. Wow. All right. So looking for a motion to
approve resolution 2025-9. Hold on. So So what what's the point again of this versus 2016-16? You see the why why do you want this
instead of that? Mayor, this is I think this is a good good policy that we can all you know feel like we've done a good job for our our constituents. So, I think it's a great it's a great policy. I think it's always important to look at policies,
old policies, outdated policy, look at them, see how we can redline and improve. So, I think it's always good to look at So, are you going to be equally inequitably applying the decorum? Always have. Yeah. Well, when you laugh at residents, when you shuffle paper while they're
speaking, you act like you're asleep. I mean, things like that. Is are you going to apply it to yourself, us, as well as the residents? Okay, we've got a I'm looking for a motion. Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson. And that's with amendments, right? Yes. With the changes. Okay. I
second that. Second by Commissioner Smith. All those in favor? I. All oppose? No. Motion carries four to one with Commissioner Neesa in opposition. All right. Let's see. Bradley, anything?
Um, just one thing. Uh, as I've been getting up to speed in the interim city administrator position, uh, we did go ahead and reach out and appoint, uh, our recreation manager, Cindy Edwards, into the interim parks and recreation director position. She's here tonight. She is. So, she's going to help take a load off of the parks and recreation
world. She's been with the city for 13 plus years. Uh, and, uh, has a great wealth of institutional knowledge for the city and does great work every day. Thank you, Cindy. So the my question is is this interim or is it going to be permanent? It's interim. I mean we have
to come back. We'd have to go through the council to do we can do interims without council approval. We can't do permanence without council approval. Okay. So um can I ask when we will make them per permanent? Really
Yeah. Um I I this this is May. I'm thinking maybe um probably a budget year would probably you know October 1st would probably be a good time to to to look at both of them. But
yeah because I mean they're both doing doing a great job. Yeah. They're both doing the job. And when you say intimate sort of are they staying, are they going or Well, we we wouldn't put either one of them positions without full confidence in their ability. So, I mean,
we uh I think Bradley and Cindy are both have proven their worth to the city and so we'll continue to uh to support that. So, Okay. But who who's going to take over the role of these?
H. Well, then we gota guess we got to figure all that out. Okay. Okay. All right. And I I'm sorry I jumped the gun. You were you were supposed to be after city council reports. Commissioner Neesto, why don't you get started on city council reports? So, we've discussed this before. Mayor, you like to either choose
myself or Commissioner Anderson uh in the beginning of council reports. We should implement and Mr. Williams. I think we should implement some type of kind of rotating order if you can provide the mayor with who should go next because you can start with
Commissioner Smith, Commissioner Velasquez, Commissioner Anderson, then myself. Then you switch to the next week. Commissioner Velasquez, Commissioner Anderson, myself, and then Commissioner Smith, then Commissioner Anderson, Commissioner Neesa, Commissioner Smith, and then Commissioner Velasquez. That's the proper way to do this just to make sure
that we're all on the same page here and that um it's fair and equitable. That that makes sense. So, if we can implement a strategy like that and and help the mayor out to make sure that it's equitable as we uh host these meetings, Mr. Williams, please.
Yeah, I took I took that down. Okay. Thank you. The other item that I have is uh just a reminder of our office hours or my office hours, excuse me, every Thursday from 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. here at city hall. Um it's been very successful. It's great to have residents pop in, even make appointments. I
recommend appointments 30-minute increments within that timeline. It's been very productive and and it's helpful for the residents to have an open door policy like that and completely understand the residents concerns over resolution 381 that passed that um has been used to be weaponized
and and intimidate. So, if you need add additional spots to meet at or additional times, please not hesitate to reach out. I can meet you wherever, whenever to make sure I accommodate um your comfort level and make sure you're being served how you should. Commissioner Neto, you brought that up four times and you've yet to bring some
anybody forward that said that they couldn't get into city hall to meet meet with you on Thursday. So, I I I'd appreciate why would I use people that are fearful and use them specifically. Give them to Bradley Williams. No, I won't be doing that. I'm not resing or you you you'd bring them forward. That's
okay. Don't worry. It's coming. Thank you. Commissioner Smith. Uh let me first of all just say thanks to uh Attorney Shepard for the presentation on indexation and I just wanted to make sure that uh our finance and uh clerk
will reach out and uh find someone that's able to uh do uh the u feasibility study uh that's required so we can move this this process forward. And so hopefully they will have a report they can get back to us at our
next meeting. That's all I have. Thank you, Commissioner Velasquez. I just wanted to um uh mention that uh at the last council meeting when I had brought up Main Street, it was supposed to be on this uh agenda, but I do understand at
the pre-aggenda and uh our inim CEO did reach out to uh Main Street to let them know that this would be it was just something with the uh contract with uh our city attorney,
but it will be on the next agenda which is May 21st. Am I correct in saying that? Correct. I'm working with uh Attorney Shepard to make a couple adjustments on the original draft. And I appreciate that that I got the email
today regarding Border Lake. As you know that we've all been receiving emails from the um the shopping center um Miss McCrainy. So let me give you an update. I had it under my report by you brought
it up. Um we we got the last of the homeowners. So you unfortunately the way St. John's it's not the the tenant if there's a tenant the tenant can't give us approval. We had all of the the homeowners or all the tenants or
homeowners had already signed it but we finally got the last one today. Okay. So I've got now we're still waiting on Lumen. I know we we've sent another email Dodd did to the Lumen folks. You know, they got a big hierarchy. So, the only one we're missing to start the the
pumping process is Lumen. So, okay. So, that so thanks for bringing that up. Okay. And um the question I did ask at the pre- agenda regarding the station
street apartments uh the housing there and that was what prestige premier what's the um Mark Wilkey and his peacock peacock capital um according to Bobby
Howell from a community, he has not heard anything. So I asked, did we commit to it? Is there some way to get out of that contract and put it back out and let someone else kind of bid for that um station street? This is going to
be for Cliff uh our city attorney. Yeah, I think Cliff will have to review that agreement again. I I think there there was a time there was a time frame in there. I'm almost sure, but I I've talked to Mark Wilkey last this week,
last week, and he said they're full steam ahead. So, I don't understand um Bobby How. I I'll I'll definitely you'll get you'll get an email from Bobby or or from Bradley as to the um to the status. Yeah, Bobby said that they have not come
in that they have he has not gotten any update from I'll get you an update tomorrow. Okay. because we definitely need a foot traffic down there. We need for them to start turning dirt down there. I agree. Yeah. Okay. I know that. Well, I tell you what it was. They had
some issues. They still were there were some brown fields that were they had to get complete. You know, brownfield you can't build as as our realers on the the das tell you can't build when you got a brown field still in uh if it's already is it if it's still designated a
brownfield. So, I know he was trying to resolve one more brownfield, which was not the the the one we were originally had envisioned. It's another one. So, but anyway, you'll get an email tomorrow from from from somebody about the status of Peacock Capital, the Fifth Street or
excuse me, the uh Central Avenue Apartments. Okay. Last thing is once again to welcome our new deputy chief, Quinn Henry. Thank you. You sat through our first is this. No, you've you've come in. You've sat through some
meetings, but officially today. So, welcome. And it was a very nice uh swearing in. It was nice to meet your entire family and uh so welcome and we look forward to uh our next adventure. Yeah. Thank you.
That's it for me. All right. Commissioner Anderson. And I also like to echo welcome Deputy and we we're excited and I know you're excited and just welcome. Um, Bradley, um, appreciate everything you're doing. I see the hard work. Um, thanks for the constant communication. Um, and I see
that you're responding to residents. They are, you know, definitely, um, pleased with that. So, thank you. I know you probably thrown in, but we appreciate what you're doing. So, thank you for that. Thank you very much. In addition to that, um, I please, please, my correct email address again is nlenderson.net. So, I know a lot of
people are saying they're emailing me, but they're emailing the dispatcher and not emailing me. So, um, sometimes it takes me two weeks to get the emails because there's someone else that have my same email. So, if I don't respond, it's because I probably didn't receive the email. So, please just make sure you're sending to nl
Andersona.net. And as always, I'm always open for any meetings. Just please either email or call me and um, I look forward to continue to serve. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Cliff. Yeah, I just want to bring up the update on the CRA. Yes. I was actually going to do two things with this report.
The first is I told you I could get you the answer on the um uh auditor selection and the statute that applies is 218.391 and they can they the current firm could reapply if there's a
determination made that it's time to go through a selection procedure they could reapply um and if they enter into a contract or anyone enters a contract pursuant to subsection seven of the statute renewals are also permitted of the existing contract. So that's kind of the quick answer to that one. Uh the CR
thing, CRA thing came to a not completely unexpected result but definitely a welcome one and that is as I mentioned multiple times the House and the Senate were grinding the gears against each other and they uh the last
item was one where the House sent a bill over to the Senate which basically took all of the priorities that the Senate President wanted and tacked on it all the the essentially elimination of the CR RA stuff. And good for us, the Senate
president said, "Yeah, we're not doing that." And so the the bad bill as well as the good bill died with no action taken. And you may also be aware that no action was taken on a budget either. So there's going to be a special session to
adopt the budget because the bodies are pretty close. They're only four or five billion dollars apart. Um they'll figure it out. Uh but the good news is that gives us some more time. we want to deal still do and should still want to do uh the facade grant program as discussed
but because of that happening which would have been Friday a week ago from last Friday we've got some time to kind of make sure we do it right and we don't rush through the process and so uh I um the mayor had asked me to bring this forward for today but that's before he
knew then I knew at the time that the bill was going to die it will most likely some version of it will come back in January. So we but between now and then we have time to do the program, adopt it and do it right. And so that
will be my goal. Cool. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, the House has set up that what the property tax um commission to look at property tax. And so it's it's going to be an interesting, you know, they're they're you know, Senate's looking at
more sales tax reductions and House looking at more property tax reductions. And so we just got to be careful because um both will or will affect us. It's just question of which is your poison. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Cliff. Appreciate it. All right. So that's legislative update. Uh obviously want to thank uh Deputy Chief Quinn Henry. It was a great whole family is here which is pretty cool and so glad to have her back home in Apakka. Uh, Art and Fols Festival was
a huge success last weekend. Um, weather could have been maybe 5 degrees cooler. Would have been nice, but still a great great event. So, thanks to the women's club for hosting the 63rd annual art and folage festival. Prayer breakfast very
very well attended. Thanks everybody who who came out early early in the morning for that. uh May 1st, not only the prayer breakfast at community center, but also uh quite a few pastors and some constituents there on the steps of city hall. So, thank you all for for being a
part of that. Budget workshop dates. I need to see make sure we're good on budget workshops. They had to make some adjustments. Um, so looking at July 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and No, no, we changed it to the
7th, 8th, and I mean, July 7th, 8th, you did it 7, 8th, and 9th. Okay. Seventh. I'm sorry. That's the old one. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. 7th, 8th, and 9th. Yes. Okay. Are is anybody Everybody good with that? We were good with that. Okay. All
right. Okay. Um, next up, uh, just this Saturday is Stamp Out Hunger. Our post office here at Apaka is going to be collecting food. So, anybody that has, you know, non-p perishable food that you'd like to donate and all the all the food will be going to Lowe's and Fish is
not, I know a lot of people got a postcard says it's going to, you know, Second Harvest Food Bank. It will not. It will be going to our Loaves and Fishes. So, it will stay right here in our community. So, okay. Anybody that would like to donate uh just put it out on your mailbox uh either Friday night
or early Saturday morning. Uh they'll be picking up all those the uh the non-p perishables and u we'll be getting that over to Loads of Fishes and it's one of their their biggest fundraisers of the year. So please help um our our post office and help um loads of fishes in
the process. And then last uh but not least, I always try to end on a positive note. I got a a letter from a Phil Filamona Austin and I assume that is that a I assume it's a girl uh sent me a a nice
little note uh in cursive writing and so I thought this was kind of cute. On 4292, dear Mayor Brian Nelson, a weekend without no internet or electricity would be great. everyone could could clean up
a park or maybe make a community garden. We would be able to do a car wash. Maybe we could have a cookout. I think it would be a nice break from screens. Sincerely,
Filimona Austin. So, I thought that was a cute uh get rid of your cell phones for a week. So, anyway, thank you, Mayor. Mayor, really quick. I know that a few people uh residents walked in and didn't know that we probably moved public. Okay. Anybody Anybody like
anybody needs to speak that didn't have a chance before the meeting because I know I did see him coming. Okay, to the mail and the city commissioners, Robin Howard, 1013 South Central Avenue here in
Apakka. I'm still concerned and about the area in front of a barber shop and I'm working madly is working with me and it's almost completed. It's almost completed.
So whenever it is completed and they start using the walk track, my concern again is whether the police going to try to give those person who might not be in accordance with what they supposed where they supposed to
park in front of the shop in that area. uh how much uh har I wouldn't say harassment but what they expect us to do in parking. Now uh I thank the city council
person that contacted me but p uh commissioner Alexander pastor New Hope Baptist Church. I have to go into the left side of the road to get around the
funerals, but I don't complain. They got a food giveaway. It's blocking the right side of the road as I come north up to the stop sign. I don't complain, but yet the
same person would tell me my customers have to park in the back. So, I want to know what adjustment can I look for through the police department if something come up like that. Well, that
there's your man and lady there. So, I know. So, what can we do though to accommodate? He's been here 1960. Since since 19 uh 1969,
right? So, what can we do to assist? He's been here longer than most of us have been in the community. So, what can we do? Chief, can you come up here too just so that everyone can hear it properly? Thank you. I think while Chief is coming up, I
believe the concern is now what's going to happen if there is somebody blocking the rightway trail. I would, and I'll leave this to Chief, but I believe they try and locate the vehicle's owner. Yeah, we would try to have them move the vehicle.
Obviously, if they're in your business, we'd ask them to move the vehicle. Those trails are for not for motorized vehicles. Um, I don't know. I'll have to look into our ordinance regarding those or anything else. Or is that a county trail? Okay. I don't know what our trail
process is. My understanding, from what I thought I heard, was you two were working together to find a solution to his parking problem. Yes. We've provided additional access apron into the property so he can get vehicles off to the side of the building. And we've
removed a tree as well. So, I think the concern now is If somebody parks and blocks portion of the trail, what's the next step? And I think it would be not trying to notify the driver to move up a little. We do not move directly into issuing
citations. Now, with that said, the city could always assist him in putting no parking signs there so that you don't have any of your customers parked there and face that challenge if we had to. But I don't have any other choice now. Well, it's my understanding he just said
you have. with what he working with me. But just in case we trying to put a wrap around in front right out and that would that would help as well. But like I say, the same scenario or whatever. When they have funeral at New Hope, they block the
whole right side of the road. Well, if we get complaints, we'll respond to the complaints and we'll address them. And then when they when they give out food, they block the whole right side. I mean, it's in my community. I don't mind it. But by the same scenario, why why should they
harass me once the once the trail open? I'm not saying we're going to harass you. I'm going to say we're going to respond to complaints. All right, that's what we have to do. Just like if you wanted to say something about New Hope Church blocking the roadway, we would come out and address that complaint. Uh what we can do via statute. We're here
to work with you. I want to try to find you a solution. And I realize you were put into a bad position with this trail going in front of your business. And we're not here to, you know, by no means am I going to tell my police officers to go watch the front of your barber shop and look for somebody parking across the bike trail. However, whoever parks across the bike trail could be open
exposing themselves to liability also because if somebody runs into the car, hurts themselves, then your customers could be exposing themselves to some kind of civil liability because you're not supposed to park there. So, it's it's a quagmire. We're here to work with you. I'll work with you with whatever I can, but we would have to respond to
complaints. Do we have enough space between the the new path and the street itself to install like parallel parking spots? Uh, no. No. And the um I think the way the path lays right
now, we got access to get two cars on the left side, one one on the right, and there does look like there's room to do a parallel parking right in front of the building. But again, I think the concern now is to try and address if somebody is one of the customers are in the right
away, you know, what's the response? Work with my customers, but just in case something happened where person walking, riding the bike, complain, etc. We'll try to work with them, but the problem is we're going to
try to do the best we can to get it off the track if if he complete what he said. Well, let's be cognizant of this moving forward and kind of navigate delicately. Absolutely. Yeah, we're still we're getting really close. As uh Reverend Howard said, we're getting really close
to finishing. They do have to come back and do some more work in front of the trail section by his barber shop. Um, but we're getting close to getting that thing finished. Okay. Apologize for what you're going through them. Anybody else? All right. Super meeting
adjourned.