the meeting is not going to be that long So we'll call the Apka CRA meeting to order Commissioner Smith will you give us the prayer and the pledge please sir our father God we come once again before your presence asking Father you continue
to guide and direct us as we take care of the business of this city Oh God we'll be good stewards of the resources you've given us Bless all these in attendance today In thy son Jesus name we pray Amen Amen To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all All right Should have a set of minutes Any changes direction addition otherwise look for a motion to approve the
I didn't see any minutes No there's no minutes All right Public comment We'll put that to the end We'll go ahead and just jump right into discussion Um well let's let's go to Cliff Cliff you want to give us the the latest greatest on the CRA bill and
where it where it lays as we speak today i am happy to do it if you could just give me a minute to to find it because I didn't know that was going to be the first thing on the agenda I can do it from memory but I'd rather do it specifically from what I had in my notes So let me see if I can find it real quick All
right All right Well listen I'll I'll be simple Here's the deal First of all this changes hourly It could have changed since I gave the same update this morning at Fort Meyers Um but what happened is the Senate and the uh House
are at odds The Senate uh has a bill 1290 I think it is that is much less ownorous It preserves CRAAS in much the same way we know them Uh it does put additional uh explicit ex uh
restrictions on spending None of which would really affect what APKA is doing um and it is a much more CRA friendly uh version The House on the other hand yesterday late late uh passed a or
withdrew or or put in an amended bill which was a complete strikethrough as described by Ryan Matthews our lobbyist basically saying we're going back to the drawing board and what's coming back is going to be much worse uh than what we've already seen So they are literally at polar opposites Um I am told through
the lobbyist report that uh the Senate is holding strong and the House is showing that this bill is going to be important to them because they've tacked into it some other things that are priorities to the Senate and put them all in one package So it's like a poison
pill If you don't vote for this bill with this other stuff you're not going to get the stuff you want as well So this is the game that's being played Uh to the extent there's any good news what Mr Matthews said is that they're running out t of time And so if they can't get
something done in the next two weeks uh meaning the rest of this week and next week it might not happen But he also said they're expecting at maybe even two special sessions where this could be the priority And because next week I think next week is the I mentioned to you
previously the horse trading time where the Senate trades something with the House on their priorities list That's always a possibility as well to see what out what outcome is there Our hope is that the Senate will hold fast Um our
information is that there is suffic significant and maybe sufficient opposition in the Senate to the more draconian house bill um from a number of people who should know um and that it won't get through But again you never
say never in this biz So uh I this morning uh at at Fort Meyers we had the same discussions that we're going to be having today about okay what can we do how do we do it how do we go forward and so forth And I said "Well if they pass the version that originally was on the
table or something like that and signed there's nothing to do You're it's you know we're we're well past that cow being out of the barn." Um but if not what we do is we make sure that we're not spending in a way that causes us to be the headache Um the version that the
Senate put out is very much what I wrote for them And the reason I say that is because when we first got we're into this we immediately huddled the FRA and the the people the president myself our lobbyists and said "Okay what can we do?" And I spent a day coming up with a
a bill that is restrictive but not not uh crippling And it it's like I said it puts specific uh limitations so that no one can even argue with me although a lot of people like to I tell them "You can't do this." and they want to argue but it'll say no you can't spend money
on hotels for example No you can't spend money on parades or fill in the blanket these things Um so it'll be some of that And for the most part it's stuff that wouldn't affect us here at all Um I'm hopeful that that'll be the one but
again there's no telling I The best thing we have going for us are those that are our allies are strong allies and they happen to be in the right party right now So uh they've seen what CRAAS can do and they seem to be at least momentarily of the belief that it's not
good to throw out the whole bunch of apples because you have a couple of bad ones in South Florida And I'm crossing my fingers that they continue to think that way So that's that's the latest and the greatest but again there's a vote coming up on Friday It could be a wholly
different thing by Friday Thank Thank you Cliff And I printed for everybody the the legislative alert that uh the League of Cities just put out today So just for reference but like like Cliff said tomorrow could be a completely different bill All right Now
Bobby come on up and lead us through Bobby How interim executive director of the CRA Uh in res response to last week's workshop this is continuation Uh Cliff kind of talked about the high points of what's going on
with the bill going through the legislature right now Um last week this board opted to have another workshop to solicit additional public input related to proposed projects that are um could come down the pipeline if the legislation passes Purpose of this
meeting tonight is to finalize the list for incorporation into the CRA budget This is the uh list that we came up with from last week The gold star says discussed There was a decision at the April 16th meeting That's the residential facade repair grant program
Uh it looks like that's for $35,000 Uh the two stars means that this was presented at the last week's meeting Signal and pedestrian upgrades Fifth Street and Central Avenue That's design Uh $77,658 Pedestrian upgrades at Fifth
Street and Park Avenue That's construction Uh that is a kind of dangerous intersection as a pedestrian to try and walk across There is no pedestrian signals and that would include mass arms for that That's $242,760 Town of Papa Trail Central Avenue portion design This was presented
last week 125,000 upgrades to Alonzo Park Allonzo Williams Park A new pavilion Uh $83,713 basketball courts two rebuilding of those $135,000 Uh they have Hopka Action
Sports Amenity Upgrades also known as the skate park pump track $242,600 Includes a new pavilion artificial turf 88 parking space with sidewalk water fountain and picnic tables Uh amenities to Edwards Field include a pickleball courts two
basketball courts uh and bike repair stands 3,000 bucks for those Uh and then water fountains four of those and then ADA parking additions there as well Um one thing and then beautifification saw and fencing believe that was removed
from consideration uh and that money was allocated to the residential res renovation assistance program Gas lamps uh installation 10 of those on Fifth Street $70,000 Downtown Park that's been presented uh to the CRA board before uh at $50,000
that was in the budget for this year's CRA Pocket Park at 8 and Highland $105,000 Land acquisition uh for the expansion of Lonzo Williams Park Quest Properties that's put in at $400,000 Land acquisition at Kitland
Nelson Park at 80,000 Um we have at least I've not heard back from those property owners for the Kitland or I'm sorry the Kitland Nelson Park expansion Uh Station Street Lighting Uh this was presented last week Uh $15,000 I believe that was by
Commissioner Moore Uh demolition of Aan Highland Maintenance Complex $100,000 Three historical markers $15,000 Resurfacing of Station Street $300,000 land acquisition downtown triangle property and I'll show where
that location and then Duke property So this is the plans for the fifth street and c fifth and park pedestrian upgrades and mast arm lighting Uh that's a vital improvement This is the map of the trail The central avenue portion is the part
in blue right here and then the completion is the purple right there This is the rebuilding of the Alonzo Williams Parks basketball courts the 2020 20x 28 pavilion Acquisition of property It's
the orange piece It looks like a backwards L uh if you look at it from another way or an L if you're looking at it at this point Uh this is the actual sports park grade upgrades This is a map Um shows
where all it's going to be property acquisition and talked about at Kitland Nelson Park Uh today we've not heard back from those individuals but this is the renovated open field but the fencing has been removed from consideration per last week This is the area for the city park city hall park
upgrade area little pocket park This is the A and Highland street property uh with the buildings on it right here That's the plat This is the downtown triangle property It is located at the corner of uh if you'd say the
southeast corner of Sixth and Park Uh it is a cutout There's a little insurance office here I believe it's a vacant piece of property There was some type of structure there up until probably seven eight years ago And then there's a little cutout there for that The
property is I think it's been listed for $35,000 Um when I spoke with the listing agent they've received some offers but they've been kind of low offers uh that they haven't the owners haven't even entertained And then this is the Duke property Go back just Bobby Just Yes The
the little corner number 124 is the piece we had that came came through looking for reszoning for a food truck They got I was going to say swindled by the real estate agent but that's the little piece there that you know
obviously there's not much they can do with that And is that that couple that came once that's correct Correct So I mean you know maybe we could we could get that one as well Then that would give you a nice that would clean that whole area up Yeah It would incorporate
the whole thing with that Mhm I haven't reached out to them but just just be aware that Yeah Yeah That was a few months ago That was Yeah Last what what we would do on that triangle the city would buy it and maybe rent it out build
a facility there parking Yeah It is You say it's currently listed now for 300,000 There's a sign I spoke with the agent It was I believe $35,000 Believe the mayor spoke with her as well and follow up on that Uh they like I said they received some low ball offers according to them Um and so yeah
Are they still active it's still listed active Yes Mhm Y And is there any cleanup required on that property isn't that where the laundromat was i'm sorry I didn't hear you Is there any cleanup required on that property because I believe that's where the laundromat was It's within the CRA which is a total
brown field So it' be subject to that cleanup Yes And then this is the Duke property um right here off of A and Forest The West Orange Trail goes next to it So with that
um discuss about what projects you guys want to incorporate in the project We'll look for discussion and direction Okay Can you put back up the the list properties thank you I got Excel for you Okay Yes
there you go So this will show the list and as we go down the list if we agree to something it will come off of that total that says available funding the your top number that you say available funds
Walk me through how you got to that number please Okay And I do have information for that Hold on a minute This thing does Let me see if it Let me click to my other
tab There we go The available funding in the budget is 4,471029 Obligated as of today is about 131,000 Do you have a breakdown of that 131 it was in Yes it's on Yes I can show
you the detail and um for the downtown Apaka Trail that's you know under construction you take that off So okay Yes And that was going to be my question as well Um so walk us through the 131 now please Okay Well I got
it The on everything I read here the 85,000 um for the community officer the police program that we have Mhm 6,000 for the audit And this is the
list that you've had before 951 for that uh Florida redevelopment association conference that they attended Um building code assistance program they had spent u 5366 to date and for this program here which is fact
which one facade renovation program they spent 27,325 um the special district um statemandated fee that must be paid uh 175 um membership 99.95 for that same
conference just mentioned and um 5909 that was related to the skate pump park So this was reallocated funds So the last meeting these funds weren't spent correct because it said reallocated because that 5,9009
was wasn't it was it wasn't I guess I'm a little just a little it was it was there but it wasn't taken away from the if you go back to so that was up for discussion last time the $5,000 that's already done it's done they've already
done that that's done that was a change order that's for the skate see the skate pump track park and pump That was a change order on that Those funds have been expended That's why I highlight them in red to show you And when I came to the podium
the last time and I said that we've already expended and obligated 131,000 that's what that is And those 131,000s are are those numbers I just shared with you Got it Okay I've got so the the I guess annual conference uh Attorney Shepard you had
just made a a reference that we can't pay for hotels and things of that nature out of CRA funds It's different thing that was hotels like spending giving CRA dollars to somebody to build a hotel That's what we're talking about So as an
example some cities have tiff rebate programs you come here and build something we want and we will rebate you a portion of the increase tiff created by your project Um and so essentially that becomes a way to uh add to the
attraction of doing the project because instead of you paying much higher taxes on your new hotel you're paying next to nothing because 90% maybe 95% is being rebated back to you And so you have not only uh a better sweet deal from a standpoint of finance you have an
ongoing sweet deal because you can out compete the next guy because they're not pay you're paying prop I understand So it's not for travel and things of that nature It's exclusively to the hotel provider or the developer themselves The and this has been for M Sherman Thank you for that The I guess for that
the annual conference itself as well as the annual membership if this is going away this year effectively for us I mean it's not but it is Those funds aren't ne necessary for us They've already spent them This is what I'm saying That's why we can't reallocate something that's
already obligated or expended So those specifically have already been spent Yes Okay That's why that's why they're in red They're not available to reallocate Okay And everything in red represents
the 131 Got that okay Okay And the only project we took off like we talked last time was the downtown Apopka Trail So that leaves a remaining balance of 1,933721 And sorry go for it Just while we're on it I don't uh the the downtown trail
itself that 2.4 million Mhm That's to complete the entirety of the trail Yes Right That's to complete the section that's ongoing right now uh down Hawthorne Michael Gladen and it's to complete the
section on Sixth Street uh from Station Street to we're trying to get it to South Highland Uh we have some easement issues beyond Highland So uh that it doesn't look like we're going to be able to resolve We've kind of looked into that
again this week leading up to the meeting So there could be a little bit of extra funds there that we could look to reallocate Okay But that takes us all the way to South Highland So it does the loop and then heads back east Correct And then we had put in the listing uh designing the
central a portion Just design Okay And that's in this list here the central a at the 125 Okay Mr Smith any questions so in reality the only funds we actually
have to expend is the 1,933,000 Yes sir At this point Mr Vasquez So yesterday I had a business owner that's in the CRA that's on a frontage of a main street asked about
a the opportunity to submit for a roof which my understanding is it's a business they're in the CRA um they're on frontage in other words where people will promote
um kind of foot traffic and So the question was because we had a discussion they realized that they have to have three quotes The question was three quotes but
now do are they obligated to take the lowest bid or can they choose yes of the three quotes the best it should be uh long as all the specifications are met everything is
even they should be taking that lowest bid They can pick they they're not obligated to pick the lowest bid No Yes they are If every Oh if they responded to the bid based on the specifications that were provided right that's the purpose of a bid You take the lowest bid
Okay What What business was that did you say that was Naughty Lobster okay Got it Thank you Yeah That was naughty Lobster because they want a specific roof Yes Um in order to save for the electric
bill that they get every month because it's an old roof This is this Can I interrupt Jack is this based on the way the program is currently structured that's my Yes Okay So let me give you an option If this is the thing if this contractor that is the lowest bid
doesn't do that style of roof or that kind of roof then an option again assuming you can amend and have time to amend your grant program or whatever it reads would be to say "We're only going to give you an award based on the lowest bidder This is an upgrade If you want to
make up the difference out of your own pocket have at it." So that's an option But again if that's not how your struct your grant is structured you need to change the way your program is structured And the specification should be based on what you're trying to
accomplish what what you're looking for So okay Again they should be bidding on that particular type of roof They were unable to attend this meeting tonight The six o'clock is their best time for the restaurant At the
restaurant Yes ma'am Um but I happened to go for dinner and we discussed it and um they were unsure whether it's worth their effort to put in for it because they don't want to be stuck taking the lowest bid on a particular roof that
they feel they they want for their restaurant Understand okay Thank you You're welcome Mr Anderson I don't have anything right now And I I skipped member Drago down there I am so sorry any I know you got some
questions Well I've had a couple of conversation with the board attorney relative to the process on how these homes get contracted relative to how it gets paid And he was nice enough to give us
a fivestep process process I used many times before Um and I was always of the opinion turn this on I was always of the opinion that um the ones the the entity that should
be in control of not only the project but payment to the contractor is the city Um because you have better control The prices are better you can I don't say regulate the prices but at least you can um get a contractor to uh especially
if a contractor knows he's going to have a lot of work he he gives you economies of scale uh he won't charge you individually for mo per for an for and any type of mobilization cost um so there's a cost savings
there now when I I I sent the copy of my model and I think each of the commissioner got it One of the programs I put in there was a CAP program curb appeal program and in it uh and I've used that program
many times before but the key element is that once the improvements are decided between the city and the homeowner the homeowner grants a construction easement to the city and an easement as an overlay to the property
So the easement belongs to the city It gives them permission to go and do the modification work Um and the city pays the contractor and the city's responsible for the quality of work Takes it takes that responsibility away from the homeowner and you don't need
two or three bids I think the interim CA indicated that he had a contractor that the city uses sole source That contractor can be used Does he subwork out yes But he's responsible for the subs and the quality of the work So it streamlined the program and I
think you can spend the 305,000 quickly and efficiently Okay Thank you And I didn't share everybody but this I did I put it by I know but I don't know if they knew what this was So this is the list of
when we put out the CDBG grant for the $800,000 we got from the state These are all the applicants that we got and ones uh obviously we didn't have enough money to do everybody So my recommendation is we at least give these these folks the first
shot at the residential um facade repair grant I mean some of the some of the probably some of the things in here don't meet like if it's a a toilet and it doesn't meet the guidelines that the CRA would meet But for ones that would meet the guidelines
I would suggest that we would we would take all these first Um because they've already we've already vetted them Uh there's some that I guess on the in red give you what if there's missing something or so Yes But I just
just you know my thought they um because as you know we had I think 20 made it all the way through the final process and then just ran out of money We went down the the list and we only we funded six or seven So we funded four but we're coming back to council this meeting with
the fifth one per our conversation We did have some additional funding left over for CDBG Okay Um because of the ARP funding Yeah So we'll be bringing that fifth house Um Miss Perkins Bradley is it i think it is Miss Angela Florence or
Miss Perkins Is it Miss Am I getting the name right miss Perkins Okay the the fifth house So we did find the money for that Okay So we have about seven other homes that were alternate homes I because it was a
total of 12 So the alternate homes are the ones that we would look at first right cuz the rest of them did not you know but not all these are within the CRA boundaries either Uh that that location Well I'm telling you they're they're different Oh you already know Okay Correct So whatever meets the
requirements and whatever is in the CRA if uh if the CDBG grants pay for some of these homeowners uh the homeowners would not be eligible to apply for the residential grant program
I would think not I mean that's a total rehab or a rebuild Can uh the CDBG grants that's um that's approved for these homeowners can it supplement the residential grant
program to do more renovations funding is not there to supplement The funding is not there to supplement We didn't have enough funding to even cover the five homes We only had enough funding for four homes We just you know and we're putting in money the city is for
that fifth home Well that that wasn't my question I'm sorry Well if uh if House number one has a grant from the CDBG for $5,000 there's no fun but they need $10,000 worth of work can the residential grant program
supplement the 5,000 to give it a total of 15 i assume if it was in the CRA and it was eligible under both programs it could But in this particular case the funding that was available under the CDBG program covered the full
house I understand Okay Okay So so the first five on this front page is the ones that we funded Yes The first four we bringing you the fifth one The fifth one If no other questions for the staff we'll have this public comment Anybody
want to come up uh and then we'll dig into it So we'll p public comment if I if I may Um want to do a quick presentation just kind of kind of bring this whole thing together Hopefully we can kind of have a co cohesive message So I'll step down here real quick and um
stand at the podium Thank you So just for because we had such a big turnout from residents that were interested within the CRA I wanted to kind of give a historic context not going to dive deep into this but it just helps to understand where we came from how it started and and kind of again
help kind of craft this conversation a little bit better to make sure that we're um hitting on every level of what this what a CRA is supposed to be doing So it was established by resolution and ordinance in 1993 The resolution actually created the CRA itself The ordinance created the trust that the money goes into covers a total of 633
acres It's 513 parcels which is inclusive of multifamily and some are vacant still 250 total commercial properties and then there was an updated plan with a lot of community input uh that came up uh in 2017 that it it was
20 plus years old uh and they finally updated the plan that adapted to what the residents wanted And what that plan does is it's a anchor back to what we should be doing Anchor all these dollars back to if we're going to allocate it to something does it go back to the plan
kind of a strategic plan of what we could base all these projects off of So from that actual plan itself there was a quote that I I thought really helped again craft this conversation A redevelopment plan was originally adopted for Apaka in 1993 to document a strategy for the community redevelopment
agency that would facilitate a comprehensive and coordinated revitalization of the CRA And I think that that last part it's a comprehensive and coordinated So it shouldn't be one one specific area or another specific area It's a comprehensive It's kind of pulling each lever together and making
sure that they all work together Um the goals in and kind of traditional intents of many CRAAS is to preserve and improve current residential and commercial properties It's not to tear down properties or to um to take properties from anybody It's to improve them and
preserve the history that's there It's uh one of the biggest things is to reduce and eliminate blight its real main goal which we discussed last meeting is to increase the tax base within the CRA through increased property values which again we knew that that's that's really what the goal of a CRA is What this does and it's a
byproduct of what the CRA actually is is that it assists residents in creating multi-generational wealth which goes so far because if you don't have multigenerational wealth that's able your parents or grandparents aren't able to pass down it goes so far that you you
unfortunately in our in our um in our system that we have here uh both locally state level and federally it you need to have funds to be able to have a voice And that's the way that it is right now So to be able to do that this helps with that and it helps owners in the area to
be able to reduce blight by increasing wealth Uh it attracts new and assists in attracting new business owners which again it's part of that lever of improving residential properties but bringing in businesses that help to create that community feel and then retain and assist current business
owners that are already in the community Um one of the big areas of a CRA is to uh honor and and conserve historic structures within the CRA which uh they they stated as a 50 plus year old u property And these properties listed
here are all from the 2017 plan that uh that was created that was updated for the CRA itself So I'm sure there's many more especially now that we're eight years later There's many many more there So um again these funds can all it all goes together which is again what
creates a impressive and strong community and a CRA itself From the workshops itself in 2017 some of the main topics were public safety which we already have been implementing some of the um police coordination within the community which we've already allocated
a lot of funds for Public participation meetings like this The more meetings we do of this nature the better it's going to be because again everyone needs to have a voice and be able to impact their community directly Accessibility it goes towards transparency and making sure that people have the ability to participate Small business assistance
programming which was a new program that started within uh in 2017 and again I referenced that on the previous slide residential improvement program Same thing that we it's a new program of 2017 that helps residents be able to fix their facades and again create that multi-generational wealth and increased
property values Uh there's they want new and residential and mixeduse development which we've been seeing since 2017 new uh residential properties not as much mixed use but a lot of new residential properties within the CRA And then there they asked for park and public space improvement So more parks and more
public spaces as well that again create community The more community you have the stronger your CRA And again that's the whole point at the end of the day This was from the plan as well It goes into the existing land uses and number of parcels So you have single family commercial retail and a lot of these
have changed a little bit through different um entitlements And then obviously we've seen a lot of uh the vacant parcels start to be developed as well This goes to um Commissioner Anderson our conversation we had last time that uh for the 456 residential parcels kind
of how that money could be allocated and again depending on how much funds we want to allocate things of that nature And then it goes to the percent of owners that we feel will actually apply for these funds because we have to assume as if you're having a kid's birthday party that if there's going to
be 20 20 people that you've you've invited you need to assume that 20 people are going to come I need to have those goodie bags for 20 kids that are coming So in that same concept whether or not those 20 kids come I need to have that prepared So if we assume we need to come to the table assuming are all 100%
of those homeowners coming if they are let's budget accordingly Are only 75 50% 25% So this just helps It's a visual representation of how can we do the biggest impact with the dollars that are available and what do we truly feel the amount of homeowners in the area or
property owners will actually apply for Um and this helps it again with and Commissioner Anderson you made that point of there was only one uh uh one homeowner or property owner that applied since 2017 for $1,000 So again what do we think is the realistic amount of
homeowners that are going to apply and let's budget for that and make sure that it's fully budgeted and planned for So this again it's a visual representation It's just it depends where you want to uh budget for that specific line item Uh the downtown trail itself we obviously are allocating 2.4 million for that to
finish that out The remaining funds I didn't and thank you Mrs Sherman for sorry for um explaining the 131 that's already um budgeted So I just wanted to go through that and just make the explanation that we this is a comprehensive approach So it's not specialty projects or anything that we
want but each one has a specific role and especially in 2017 we need to be going back to everything that we're going to approve tonight or in the coming months or weeks or months goes back to that strategic plan that was already created in 2017 and it ties back and makes sense to that So again I just
wanted to kind of bring that conversation together I'm not pushing anything by any means It's just let's make sure that the the projects we are approving and the programs we're approving goes back to that plan and we can tie every dollar and say strategically where was that in the plan okay got it checked Let's do it And how much money do you want to do to towards it so I'm happy to take any questions I
don't think there's a lot of just explain it Again I just wanted to craft the conversation so we know moving forward for the residents as well and and and this board as well that we all are on the same page of there's a plan already in place let's stick to that because we did have a lot of resident input then does need to do some adaptation for sure but let's make sure
that we're getting it right and again to the benefit of the entire CRA so that's it thank you so much and again happy to have more discussions on this okay Susan who we got who's first what's that Virginia Street come
Virginia Okay So I do see the proposed list Um I didn't see anything for um a resource center for the unhoused and needy I know we talked about once
purchasing the property here um right across from uh Loaves and Fishes Fishes and Loaves I can't remember which one it is but I know we talked about buying that property um and possibly creating a a small print of a resource center there And is it is
on the list Where is that which number is it it's on 8th Street Uh 8 What number is that one of those land acquisition Yes Which one is it uh is that 14 16 That is that 16 is it one of these
land acquisitions let me see I'm sorry Um it's number 24 Is it 24 24 There it is There it is Okay good So this is on the list but is there anything about putting um uh maybe a trailer or something a building structure at that
place uh in order to move forward i'm not even sure that was that would meet I I don't know whether that meets the criteria for CRA dollars but I I don't know that it wouldn't be Why would you think it would not be what's that i mean
I it is a way of improving uh the community within the CRA area to at least provide some resources for the unhoused that are standing in front of some of the businesses and are you know trying to keep the area clean We got to
at least have something um to actually motivate them to uh get off the street during business hours at least Um so you know I I would suggest us possibly looking
into you know purchasing the property and in addition uh also see about putting a structure there I don't know how much that would cost Uh a trailer I I made a couple of calls $50,000 could get you a double
wide uh to put there And then I know one time we talked about having someone in to uh if we gave them the requirements they would actually you know um uh design and and
and show us what uh would look like to have a facility Give them the design and the and the area that you have and they would actually create the footprint of it for you that along with the money that has um already been allocated from
that um uh what's the what's the name of the project that actually has uh that at the at the church next you talking about next step next step al along with that partnering with
them uh would also allow us to you know push forward and at least have some kind of footprint there and I don't know if that's a possibility Well I know we can't build a building that fast and that's that's No we don't have to have a building We don't have to
have a building but but a trailer or something And it's a perfect location right there where all of the resources the health departments there you got fish and loaves there You know you got all these things there that uh I don't
you would not have to redo again You would just be able to use those resources So um that that would be my only concern And I I do I I do appreciate it being on the list but is it on the list to approve
tonight um but could we also add possibly getting a trailer there would that be possible anything's Well I don't I don't know whether that's Well it it would constitute bricks and
mortar so there's that Uh but what's typical is when it's a general city thing like housing people who are unhoused that should be a general fund expense not a CRA expense because it's really not redevelopment However as an
example of what might be able to be done again assuming that we somehow get through this legislative title wave and we don't get hammered um is if the city were interested in acquiring an existing building let's say but needed rehabilitation that happened to be in
the CRA then there's no reason the city couldn't also apply for the facade grant just like anybody else And in fact in Tampa that happens all the time They have grants just for the city If the city's going to take a building and rehab it they can apply if it's in the CRA for a grant from the CRA to rehab
the building So that's a possibility There may be others And if we were going to go down that road before I got us too deep in the water I would suggest getting an opinion from the AG when he's not otherwise occupied with things uh to to back up that that would be a lawful
expenditure because we can acquire land and we can for redevelopment purposes do things like facade grants but it's a difference like if we acquire acquired land and then built a city jail that's a city expense and that's not a CRA
expense And that's the that's the issue Okay So if we go ahead and acquire this land with the with the expectation that we would put a resource center there I'm not looking for a shelter a full shelter I'm just looking for a resource center
to start me out with Okay All right Thank you Next up come on down Leroy Leroy Bell Helen in
2018 when your administration came into this office came came to uh to be the mayor You took over for Joe Kiss Joe Kissarma just had obtained a grant to build a building out there on
Sixth Street Lorenzo William Park Yeah You you up to speed okay If you remember everything was paid for Since Joe lost her to you it fell on
your hand to finish the building If you remember you came in and you spoke about all the firemen that you bring in to get the building together and all this It bring me
to number 13 One thing you didn't finish was you didn't put the sign in at Lorenzo William Park but I see that you're doing it at Elwood Field
It's there now Huh it's there now Oh you when when did you put in Well tell me when did you put in the sprinkler system six months ago Up at low window Yeah Okay Take a look It's there Okay We We will We will Okay So with this uh with
the CBD grant with the houses that already is being built if you remember myself and Sylvester Hall went out and visit each one of those homes Right now one is up
under construction up on uh 7th in Washington which is uh Marty Ivory If you remember we don't understand how your friend got a chance to get up there to work on this house To everyone point
that we was talking about the contractors We have one contractor in Apopka that you seem to be crying about three bed but it always seemed that this guy we were in the bid It seemed to me that it's a kickback
But with the CBD if you go down if you go down to East 8th Street right across from Georgia Avenue you'd allocated all this money through this grant and the house look better than the house I live
in If you come back up on West 8th Street you got a you got uh you allocated money through this grant I don't know if you got the contractor picked to go out there If you go out there and look at it these people
already have a brand new roof on the house And the reason they got a brand new roof on the house because won't nobody put no solar up on a a regular roof These people the only thing that
this thing need is paint But yet and still it's $200 and some thousand dollars allocated to refurbish this house on East 8 Street and West 8th Street The fourth house that Blanch was
speaking about I don't know about the fifth one that you guys going on but the other one is up north I think uh I don't know if Sylvester got the picture but this house look like it's brand new So what I'm trying what what I would
like to know if we allocate money to houses that already look good who is the money going to who what what is the contractor doing with the money are are we uh are we going to follow these
people wait a minute Hold up Just just hold it a minute You can sit back because a few minutes ago Miss Street was up here and was no Uh uh was no Well guess what what do you want Leroy what what do you want to know what what I
want to know is this Why in the world me and Sylvester been standing up here for two years two years trying to get things done like this And it's always fall on them ears
And the money is not adding up If we had had forensic audit we wouldn't be in the spot that we in now And with this CB with this CBD we we need answers about that because if you if you're jerking people
around with the CBD what you think what we expect for you to do with this money that's allocated to the people now I'm worried about the people in south of Papka and everybody in Apopka too But also people on the south on the north
side of Papka some of their money being spent All right Thank you Thank you Leroy Appreciate a thank you nothing We want answers Okay Okay All right Who's that and and and before I go you talking about the core It was despicable what
you and your lawyer did to the little man last meeting night telling him to sit down and shut up That was despicable Anybody else want to speak all right Not we We'll close the public hearing Sylvester Hall 391 Rolling Hills Lane Uh
thank you Commissioner Neester for bringing the core back of what it the CRA was meant for And uh I'm gonna keep saying it in the city of Apakka state of Florida and in our country too many good people standing by watching bad things
happening and not doing anything about it But here's what I'm trying to brace you for When you are exposed and when it is exposed there's going to be nowhere for you to run it and hide So I keep saying that as a reminder to wake up your moral conscience I keep saying it
as a reminder to wake up your moral conscious because these things integrity character all these things matters when we're doing anything in this administration But I want to you know for for me I'm just curious to look
at when we say uh this country has lost the sight that people is it greatest resource not big business not technology it's it's the people that what makes a country great And so when I look at this
list and I see how little we want to do directly for the people it it really pains me Now the bridge that goes downtown over Main Street I have never driven down Main
Street and saw somebody walking over that bridge regardless of what time of day it is I have never seen somebody walk across that bridge So it's beautifification and we just spending money Now we spending two I say round it
off $2.5 million for a downtown trail How many people going to walk the trail what revenue is it bringing into the city $2.5 million And so when we get back to the people we
don't have no money for the people Or is or is it welfare when we talking about giving the money to the people is welfare Keep in mind there's an ordinance in this administration where not this administration but it's in the
city of Papua where all those negroes that we sent on the other side they had to live on the other side mandatory Then we had the the lawsuit Dell versus the city of Apaka None of that has been
corrected You have the money to make that right now but you still want to give it somewhere else You have the money to rectify that but you don't You tell them they got to go over there and it's mandatory
Some of you sitting in this room may be the ones that running them over on the other side of the track and make sure they was over there by sundown We know the history of city of Apocalyp but we we we don't want to face it So here you go You put them over there and
poverty breeds crime So now the system is doing what it's supposed to do We're going to put you over here We give you no resources and we tell you to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps Now you have money to rectify that and
we don't want to give a dog on penny to the residents Not one single cent Then we got $400,000 allocated to where we haven't even talked to somebody We haven't even talked to anybody How that's just money that's just just just
sit aside taking up quote unquote space We have to do better Those residents over there deserve you said 250 They deserve a half a million and I agree with that Thank you
All right Anybody else not close public hearing And so what we need to do is is kind of go through our the priority list And um obviously we you know the the land acquisitions are like you know to
me the biggest one that would be the most important would be the Alonzo Williams Park expansion with Quest And I guess everybody got the email from uh former commissioner Becker about they're having their board meeting tomorrow I guess there was some I guess
uh so we'll just kind of have to wait to see So that that's kind of a big obviously a big number and a but a big would be a big um improvement for the Alonzo Williams Park But I I guess
um we need to just start I guess the least the least um the lowest priority you have and let's just start peeling them back till we get to the number
Well again and that's why I wanted to that that presentation I want to make sure every dollar we're spending link it back Let's keep linking this back to the plan in some way So it's not just our own pet projects It's a link back to the strategic plan that was already created Again we can adapt it a little but it
should go to the core of what a CRA is which is to benefit the community where it is So which one you want to start with mayor and the first Let's see the total again All the projects 3 million
3 million71,731 Would you like 1.2 start with number one You want to start with number one and go down i mean okay I'm going to be skipping around So are we still at the 305 or are we at the 250 with 25% based on Commissioner Neesa's um I said 305 I
don't think we should decrease that amount keep it at 305 mayor and everyone and well what's I guess again what's what's the goal or what do we expect how many residents do we feel will apply for this by October apply and get approved
by October I think we don't I think because we have not done a lot of community outreach I think that no we all would just be assuming and guessing we wouldn't know we have no way to measure that totally agree so that and and we're maxing out to at 20,000 correct is
I I don't think we came up with Did we come with a number yet i don't remember Well we what we did was we you had one number and we added 25 more because we kind of the 305 was for number 13 and then at the end you said just I think per residence I think we were talking about the residents Each res Each
residence how much oh you said 20,000 We said 20 up to up to 20,000 And you want Cliff to go for this um I mean I'd love to go down so we get more we help more people but I you know it's uh you know even at if you get up
to 10,000 that's only 30 30 houses Yeah So we probably do need to go to go down to probably 10 Yeah Because then we're able to do we still want the total to be 305 if I'm understanding correctly So again I let's back it in Let's think
about it logically though I mean do we think it's going to be 30 people do we think it's going to be 50 people where do we think we can get with some marketing with some outreach let's just try I think we can spend I think we'll have no problem spending I mean we haven't spent We spent $1,000 of in eight years We haven't had a 100% match So I can I can assure you we'll get
we'll get we'll we'll have people that are angry because we didn't have enough money So then should we increase the number then because again do we think it's going to be 30 do we think it's going to be 50 and again if we if we look at this historically as well over eight years we
spent $1,000 So if we let's say let's use the number 500,000 divided by eight years that's $62,000 per year that hasn't really been spent So as much as this is a big one-time cost average uses out over the last eight years that we've only spent $1,000 on it It this isn't
this insane number Do Do you want Cliff to go over his um Yeah proposed um Yeah This is for the residential Yes Okay So I've sent an email and unfortunately I didn't have the non council member uh
information but I was able to email it to Mr Drego Um and it's basically five points some of which have more meat on and and by the way the the program that he provided has some points that I would go ahead and layer in there as well But basically the first thing is the
question is how do you control money uh in these programs if there's no match and if the idea is we want people to fix houses how do you keep them from using folks that are unqualified and unaccountable and the best way to do that the easiest way to do that and it's very similar to what he has in his
program um is where where you vet or select contractors You said for example that the contractors who were available to do the CBDG work uh would be a good start and maybe that's true if they're interested in projects of this size Um but the bottom line is it would be
contractors that we have we know we vet we know that they will start and finish the project in a timely manner They do quality work so that we wouldn't have any issue saying to an applicant here is your list of possible contractors I would suggest to you much like some of
you will relate to this Much like I can never figure out which show to watch on Netflix because there's too many There's such a thing as having too many contractors So whether you choose three or five but I wouldn't put 50 down there because you're just now creating confusion as to which one do I need to
interview them all and all that stuff So I would pick Can we just stop there because I I saw your email and just we can go one by one just with questions so we don't go all the way through it Sure The the first one there So what happens if a contractor that we say they're approved destroys this house doesn't show
up that does that resident now have liability they can sue us for we say "Nope that's a trusted contractor You should use them These are all you can use." The the contractor the contracts will between between them meaning the contractor and the applicant And yeah we
would have the structured contract so that it doesn't come back to us because we would be the ones preparing the contract uh to be used like we would with for other things This is the contract that'll just have a place for descriptor of what the scope of the approved money for the grant for a couple reasons not the least of which is
we don't want them doing stuff unless it's on the homeowner's dime that is not a part of our approved funds if they want to do a separate deal with a homeowner where the homeowner has got some money where they can say "Hey I need another outlet in the house It's not a part of our grant While you're here can you put an outlet in?" That's
on them But but our if they if you follow what I'm suggesting here we would have a contract that makes us the third party payer All warranties of workmanship and everything which extend to the property owner not to uh we wouldn't be a part of that train And
there were to be a pre-agreed upon draw schedule at whatever percentages of completion of the work based on the scope of work And and this is a really important one I mean it's covered in a different step but the lean releases part is tremendous The biggest problem
with saying here's the money you pick your contractor and have at it is then they get themselves in trouble because I would venture to say the average homeowner and I by average I mean maybe 60 70% maybe more would have no clue what to do to protect themselves from a
contractor's lean or a materialman's lean meaning someone who just supplied li lumber or or shingles or whatever for the job but there are specific things you need to do to protect yourself from having to pay twice and so by us taking the extra step of having the contractors
having agreed upon on schedule making sure all the warranties run to the uh to the homeowner Uh we we kind of try to stay out of that loop If you're asking the question could we be sued anyway well the answer to that no matter what the question is you can always be sued
The question is can you be sued successfully and we would have language within the contract that limits our liability and constitutes a waiver of the contractor or the homeowner's right to sue us as the grant uh party So so
to you jump in a second I'm so sorry Uh so so there's still a liability there obviously which is fine So walk me through the process of us selecting vendors then How how do we go through an approval process well this there's a number of different ways One of the ways that has been suggested again assuming
it doesn't conflict with your purchasing policy that would be maybe a blanch question is to say well we already got you know a certain number on here uh we think that these three or four are the best ones and we're good with that And if that's true okay and long as that interfere with your purchase policy the other way would to do to be essentially
put out an RFQ which is a request for qualifications as opposed to a proposal because they're not bidding on a specific job and say "We're looking to find contractors to do jobs up to whatever the grant amount is 20 30 15 whatever y'all decide on of home
improvements." uh could include roofing could include siding could include windows could include exterior steps could include it's basically exterior improvements Um we would like you to submit your qualifications your references and so forth And then we will pick from those who submit that the the
maximum amount that will be available is this because that that maximum amount is going to eliminate a lot of contractors Sure Well I think that's the point too and what I'm concerned about as well is that we can do this process but it keeps delaying this and we now have to microwave this process because of the state It's absolutely true And that's
why if you have people on this list that you already know that are good and will do the work then that's the I'll be honest I don't have an appetite to mix these two programs together I don't want to mix It's not a mixing of program It's just that you got contractors you like I don't I don't have an appetite for that
Okay I those are my questions So I just have a few concerns The first concern is that these are the residents homes and I don't feel that the city should tell the residents or restrict the residents on who to use Okay that's the first thing that So why do I think that's important
well let me let me let me explain I do feel that we should make sure that they are qualified and there should be a vetting process Let's just say if they want to use ABC contractor right they have to come apply with the city and we have to approve them in order to do the project But I don't feel that we should actually we can make recommendation
Here's a list of recommended trusted um contractors However we should allow them to choose their own contractor and there should be a vetting process where they have to come in and then say "Okay we want to get our company signed up But I don't think we should um strongarm them into using our preferred contractors."
The the reason why I put this Okay I can't hear You need to We're It's closed Leroy we need to be respectful of the process It's closed Okay So so the reason I put that in
there is because and again this is your call but the reason I suggested it is because my concern is someone would say "Hey I got a $20,000 grant let's say and my uncle does roofing My my brother-in-law can do sighting uh they
do a terrible job the money's gone and what we're actually paying for is something that we can look at and see the improvement to benefit the CRA." So we have a stake in this process that goes to including perhaps making sure that the
contracts are are able to be done They're actual contracts They're not made up The numbers are not fake because we have the ability to police that Now if you don't want to do that that's fine But what I'm telling you that will open you up to is the potential for work not
getting done that you paid for or work being shoddy because it doesn't meet code and all the other things And so that's a potential problem But once again we will approve the contractors They still have to be licensed and insured And if they're licensed and insured and there are some type of defect then of course the homeowners do
have recourse because they are licensed and insured So I'm not saying that they have to have I've never said unqualified I said a licensed certified and whatever certification they need If it's a licensed electrician if it's a roofing company they need to be certified and be come to the city I just do not feel that
we should force the residents to use our preferred contractors That that is fine This is a control for how your money is getting spent So if you don't want that control that's fine Well it's their money as well because they pay It's just not our money It's their money as well Okay Uh well and this is a
recommendation So we'll take a recommendation I mean everybody have the floor to their own opinion but that's just my opinion This is my one opinion And so and again we right now we're just talking about allocating this amount of money and we still got to come up with the criteria for the program right at a later date Yeah But the sooner we do it
the sooner we can start again we got to microwave this process now So we can't keep delaying this uh until until these funds just go back Exactly So we let's just go down the list Let's get to the number we need to get to and and Yeah Then we'll come back Come back and figure that I mean I'd like to get it
all done tonight I mean that's my goal just we'll figure out well to to the extent all we're going to do is be supplying money this short circuits the list pretty quickly but if we're going to go through the whole list and I'll tell you what it all adds up to so the one is as I mentioned is making sure
we're picking contractors that we know will do the work we're paying for and do a quality job of it that we have some control over the process because we select them we vet them in the whole business if that is not what you want then that's okay but that's what was the suggestion um We don't control for the
the I guess my concern with that is we don't control the businesses I mean they get to choose who they want to use So I don't hear but I just want to you can finish What what I can't hear when you talk It's fine You can continue Okay Um so
the the issue is if we want to do it that way we would be able to control for example when we disperse the funds right and if you did a grant the other way which is okay but we haven't done Well one thing I don't think we've done before maybe I'm wrong I don't think we've done a residential grant other than the the small thousand deal didn't
get you know too many applicants probably because the mountain's not enough to do substantial work That's my guess I don't know But but that's why this is a different thing We're not dealing with businesses who presume to have some level of sophistication We're we're dealing with at least and then my
understanding of this is folks who need this help and probably don't have the same level of sophistication as a business owner about things like getting releases of lean and don't we we understand your first point here and again I think the goal is I think the goal is trying to get the meeting under
control We understand your point and I think contractually we can maybe add some provisions in there but um let's just move on We understand your point Okay So that's number one The work is limited to exterior improvements such as roofs windows doors and o those other exterior
improvements And this is quoted from the statute necessary to carry out plans for a program of voluntary or compulsively compulsory repair or and rehabilitation of buildings and other improvements in accordance with the community redevelopment plan The assumption is that there's a portion of our plan that this would be justified under So I'm
assuming that that's the case The third is city retains a private building inspection company Why did I put that in there because after speaking to your own building inspector or building department that could be a substantial amount of additional work And timeliness may be difficult in your when you're
doing any kind of uh construction job Timely inspections is important And so if you're going to do it let's I'm just making up numbers here John would probably have the best John Mr Hansen would have the best suggestion about when you should do it but whether at 20% 60% 90% 100% or when the inspection
should be done or whether it's based on the type of work there should be a schedule Well if you have to wait on inspectors that's a delay in the project And so if you have a private firm that you can say hey this is the job that needs inspection today We're at 20% Or whatever it is they're inspecting there
are companies you can contract with and that cost of inspections can be rolled into the grant as a part of the grant process So that's a suggest all of these are suggestions but there ways to have some control over the process Did Mr Hans provide any type of uh cost estimate on that on the third i I didn't
even consult with him about it except to understand that it would be difficult perhaps depending on how many of these come in all at once and you know if you're trying to get it done before October there may be a shortage and so having someone who's able to go when you need them right now and qualified might
to confirm as well the project doesn't need to be done by October one It just needs to be approved It needs to be approved So we could space these out as needed and tell recipients hey you were the first five in you guys have Q1 of next year that we're going to focus on you and our team is going to do that and kind of space these out from there Well
the problem is ready The problem with that is the contracts don't last that long If I'm bidding on a contract today for $20,000 which includes various improvements and we get a hurricane in two months from now the cost of the goods is now up here My contract's no
longer any good So you you have me on hold I'm not honoring it because I can't And so well we just had contractors last week that we approved that They they said we're going to do X until three years out or five years out So I understand you're saying goods versus labor I understand the difference there
but so we can still build this these type of provisions into the contract that say no no force majour This is we are doing the contracts If they're doing contractors within contracts with individual homeowners all we're doing is supplying the money But can't we require a homeowner that gets an award to sign a
contract between the homeowner and the city with us to get the grant sure Okay But that's different than the contractor honoring a price that no longer are valid because of cost of goods But we can say we can put in that contract between the city the contractor and the
resident that those force majority words uh your labor can't go up x amount These provisions have to be agreed to uh in place So I think that can be in a contract so still covers this area uh and make sure that our residents are are taken care of as well as well as the
city Okay Okay Um the the uh fourth point of this potential uh program would be that the contractors would agree if we use the approved contractor approach which I'm hearing that maybe there's some resistance to that but they would wave their lean rights And the reason
that's important for us is because if they don't if they use contractors that don't wave their lean rights then they could end up in a situation where they're paid twice How does this happen well many times the people who show up to do the job are not the people who you have the contract with They're subcontractors people who delivering
materials to your job Uh whether it's lumber or siding or roofing materials They have nothing to do except they're told "Here's the amount of stuff I need delivered to this point." and they will send a notice to owner that tells you hey these are materials we supplied and if we don't get paid we're looking to you If there's nobody to monitor that
process and the homeowner doesn't know what they're you know what to do or how to protect themselves then you have a legitimate possibility of you paying out all the money and the house getting taken by a lean foreclosure which is absolutely superior to everything else
except a mortgage And so this is a problem and that's why the control of the contractors along with the waiver of lean rights becomes important and the reason they would do that as long as we're the payor is because we are the payor We will absolutely pay them That would be the term of the grant on the
draw schedule that's agreed to So that's kind of the sure and that can go in that three-party contract that we're speaking of Could be if there's if there's a third party contract Yes Easy to do Absolutely Okay And then the last is the application itself which would be detailed enough so that we could determine eligibility based on whatever
requirements you're going to put in I don't know whether it's income or what it's going to be based on code violations or whatever the criterion would be Um and then select projects for by whichever means you select them I don't know if it's a staff function or however you will do it that most meet
the requirements and the goals of your plan So if you have five projects and one is really not a big deal and it's sort of uh adding uh you know makeup to something that is otherwise fine but somebody who's got a house that's in real trouble you might choose one over
the other So that's a that's a system you'd have to come up with in terms of how you prioritize who gets the money Sure A grant it's a process for a grant application So the application process So that's that's those are the five points basically Okay Okay So we're good
with the 305 here Okay Do we want to reduce that to 10,000 so that we can it it hits a bigger pool of of um homeowners or I I think we have to probably just discuss that in general kind of what that program looks like So
we we haven't we don't have the details worked out yet So we probably just put in the budget The total amount right now is the 305 Yeah Okay The next project the signal pedestrial upgrades on Fifth and Central Avenue the design 77,658
So with the that's just the design right so that's not the cost to construct No that's so we would need additional funds to do that later Later and we're not sure where those funds going to come from Yeah So typically out of transportation impact fees and what a wellunded that is I know So very limited
fun So we could be with the design sitting and not sure we're able to actually No no I said probably in the transportation impact fee fund He and he just so we will have fun Okay Yes Yes Yes We should we good with that one yes
Okay Ready what about the signal and pedestrial upgrades at Fifth and Park Avenue that's the construction Absolutely Mayor's definitely for that one Everyone any push back on that everybody good all
right I loved it Thank you Well but we're gonna I know we'll be down there after a while Start cutting because I know downtown Apopka Trail Central Avenue portion design That's 125,000 That's that's just the design So just
the design I mean if I was going to strike one this we need to start somewhere Yeah I think we should just wait on that We'll skip that one Okay Can you describe that to me one more time it's Central A to to not to Hawthorne Is that that no No
Central A North from Michael Gladen to Station Street Oh so there's a sidewalk there currently It's to expand it to Trail Width and then that would connect the loop to the Sixth Street portion Understand okay That hopefully we have that once we come
into budget season I do think that's an important piece down the road but for now I I understand uh not not having that in here All right so the next two items number five and six are Lonzo Williams Park amenity upgrade for a new pavilion and basketball courts rebuild
Do we have tables out there and things of that nature the picnic tables yes Yes Can we put them closer as well to the like near the basketball courts themselves as well yeah I believe we have bleachers out there as well Okay And they're newer They're in good shape
Yeah Okay That was a good point that there we were discussing that of doing having vendors out there to be able to have community events things of that nature Do we have any type of upgrades planned either in this budget or in our coming budget in October uh as the mayor mentioned we
just did some upgrades to the field uh itself out there Resided with Bermuda turf and installed new irrigation Um we do not currently have any water hookups specifically for any events And no power No power No Come on guys Can y'all just let us hold the meeting here i mean it
would really be nice if we could just do this without your your input That was number five Yeah we're talking about number five and number six Okay I definitely think we need to keep number five Okay Any objections let me know What
about number six for the basketball courts this is a rebuild They already there It's not in great shape but but it would Yeah Enhance that Definitely needed You good on that okay Now the Apakka Action Sports amenity upgrades This is the skate pump park
area Um looking at a new pavilion artificial turf ADA parking space with sidewalk water fountain and picnic tables I have a question Mhm What's the total um amount that we've actually already put no For the Pocket Action SP
um park how much money have we actually spent on that park already right So that was the 500,000 plus that change order for the 5,900 something Yeah So a little over 505 So so Bradley if we just did the
pavilion and the Go back down you got the pavilion is and maybe the artificial turf or what do you I know I know we we put them all in one lump sum but I don't know if there's you need the water fountain That's We can do this the cheap
stuff The water fountain you know but have it one pavilion be nice Artificial turf isn't in our code either So either we need to change our code or not do artificial turf can wait on artificial turf We don't allow residents to do that
currently Yeah I understand But we're have we have separate rules than what residents can do That's not either allow it or don't allow it So let let's let's keep going down and we'll we'll come back to that So Ry's going to give me a breakdown here Yeah I'd say
get rid of pickle ball courts Okay All right So you said pull out what the pickle court Pickle ball courts The pickle ball court Okay Yeah You want you want basketball that's uh that's number eight right so number eight you do not want You want to do basketball or
not i mean this is on Edwards Field Is it in I don't think it's in bad Is it in bad condition is that We don't have one They don't have We don't have one there Edwards Field Edwards Field doesn't have anything Okay It doesn't but it just say upgrade on there So where does it say yes it's upgrade But I know we don't
have one It just say upgrade I know I think all the Edwards Field again look back to the plan that we did in 2017 I don't think this links completely back to I think we can kind of wait on the Edwards Field I agree mayor Okay so we'll go down to
I'd like to the the bike repair because we've got the pump track Be nice to have that in the West Orange Trail I mean that's that's peanuts I mean that's three grandid and the water fountains I'd like you You need the water fountains for the kiosk Okay But don't we already
have water fountains over because the plan was over near the playground not up near the pump track That one specifically is what that's talking about So don't we already have water fountains at what was the raetball courts yeah that's a long way away Yeah there's a
water fountain over there That's that's all the way across the street That's four or 500 yards away Yeah No when you go to the skate park the one thing that everyone keeps asking these are these are different though The action sports park is different and already budgeted a a separate amount and this is a
different water fountain This is Edwardsfield Yeah Edwardsfield Yeah This is not the This is not the the skate park It's not the skate park What about the ADA parking addition well have we said yes to the 22,000 for the water fountains in Edwards Park i
thought we said yes What whatever We have water fountains at the Raet Ball court there Okay If we have the money to add it in let's do that But take it off Okay What about the ADA parking addition where was that going to go what where
the two buildings are on right just north of Fran Carlton no No that's a different The ADA parking was for over where the dog parking is currently Oh that's right For the It's a gravel lot right now We don't have any
ADA spots there right now No Okay We definitely need to have those then Okay We do have some at Edwards by the Raetball courts but not by the dog park but not on the dog park side Okay Okay So now we're at number 14 the Fifth
Street gas lamps and installation of 10 What's What's our total so far we have a million 36,000 left All right So we got 900,000 left All right Don't forget your land acquisitions that are down here Now I think gas lamp gas
lamps are a little superfluous right now for what we're doing If we want to do string lights and things like that that is a more affordable option that does still provide lighting in the area Brings people downtown creates that intrinsic value um as much more affordable So I I got kind of a semi
quote back back of the napkin quote on string lights and it'll be more than 70 But but there's no way gas lamps are going to be cheaper and the maintenance and okay all that on gas lamps are going to be crazy And then we got to pay ongoing monthly costs for the gas as well
Okay All right So let's let's do the city hall downtown park Yes city hall downtown park And that's that pocket park here pocket That's the one that was recommended by UCF That little pocket park right here by the correct
gingerbread Yes Correct Okay Everybody in support of that yes Um 8th in Highland Pocket Park Well let let's skip and do the uh land acquisition for Alonzo Park first Okay
Anybody not in support of the 400,000 estimate for Alonzo Williams and then the land acquisition for the Duke property and see see what that total brings us to Where do we get the 400,000 for Alonzo Williams Park expansion the quest properties bobby just kind of you
I know you did based on property to usually their assessed value is low so we kind of estimated high How much higher did you go up let me pull and see real quick Okay And then would we be open to because it's two different parcels there Are we
open to as a board doing half and half only doing one right now because the email that came from uh former Vice Mayor Becker stated they may want a still to retain a portion of that for their own expansion So I think just having the appetite to
maybe only have one um would still be beneficial the the one that's to the west is about 1.55 acres and that seemed like that's um a productive one to have for us at that park What happened to that total we That's
what we have available left right here Oh available Okay Yes This will be down to zero when we're done That's have 436,000 um available if we leave the 400 in there and put the 150 here
So the uh the pocket park at 8 and Highland Mhm Is that the same place where we were talking about building the four homes yes it is So so is the four homes going to still be able to be there with the
pocket park yeah it's the four homes would be on 8th Street and the pocket park would be on Highland Okay then I think we need to need to do that one as well When you say do that one well eliminate it
keep it Yeah Okay Because the CRA is it's all about keeping history and historical properties I think adding the historical markers um is important There's a lot of historical properties that we have here locally that I think is worth retaining
Okay the downtown triangle property the um station street lighting land acquisition for Kitland Nelson Park Any appetite for any of those station street resurfacing go back to if we want you
know station street lighting would be it really get that So now you obviously it's one street over from the sixth which starts to you know we're starting to see some some movement there on station The little coffee shop's really doing well and giving them some
additional lighting I think would be a trying to get our downtown district What kind of lighting are we thinking of there i I I think it's it's cement painted black and with a with a globe on top but but it be more
directionally down is what I've been told I mean yeah I mean that's that's part of the CRA goal is to again create a safe environment and lighting helps with that So I more lighting the better
So you're supporting that So that was 15,000 Now we need That's the one you're referring to right number 19 The demolition of 8th and Highland maintenance comp We kind of have to do that if we're going to be building homes there or and or doing that park So that's required We're going to have to
demolish it either way Either we're paying for it this area is paying for it 231,000 left have the land acquisition for Kidland Nelson Park expansion That's the property that's um just north of Orange right abuing the
West Orange Trail So close to the Fran Carton closest be the closest I just don't know what we would do with that because you have to cross streets to get there unless it's just additional parking But well the nice thing is if you had that you could close that the street for up to that the edge of that
property That'd be that would really be an added feature so that Orange Street would dead end shorter it dead ends there at you know um and go what what's that forest forest right yeah straight over here One thing
I think we're we're missing a decent amount of is is the um focus on retaining and attracting new businesses So with some funds left over I think we need to add some funds back to that facade for impact fee Um well I
don't I mean I looked at the data and how much money we actually spent on that Um and we've spent just alone with those businesses I'm not sure Have Have you guys kind of got a chance to kind of see how much money we spent with the gift these businesses i mean I don't I mean I'll go through it but I definitely
think before we put money back into for businesses we should increase that amount for 305 because if you look at historically kind of what businesses I mean let's pull it up Let's look at it So we can kind of go through it now So a lot of these businesses are no longer in
ser in in business They sold the businesses They've got probably over $30,000 I've seen a lot of these business owners and they sold their business so they actually profited from the CRA So I don't think we should um allocate the rest of the remaining funds to I'm not saying all the dining no a
small portion and more so I want to focus on facades It's all about that intrinsic feel of as you're walking or driving or riding your bike whatever it may be it it helps that So that's more so kind of my focus It's not to do we've done a lot of air conditioning We did a lot of air conditioning We've done a lot
of thing upgrades in regards to increasing the value on this on return for sale not so much on increasing like you said the facade So if we are we need to be really really clear on if we put any more money to that facade And there's two Yeah there's two different or there's three different programs that
you we can we can make up we can make uh to to focus it on just facade renovations or something along those lines Um inclusive of windows and storefronts things of that nature Yeah I totally agree And again by no means am I saying that whatever's left needs to do
that increase uh the 305 number you said and they're not mutually exclusive We can do a little bit here a little bit there So Bobby you know you have any idea what we on the facades what we in the last I know that's I'm asking a pretty tough question Since I've been involved with the CRA since last
summer we've done a couple of facade grant programs here over across um the average cost was about 2500 bucks that we gave back to some of these people Um I think we got the one the Domino's Pizza is 5,800 for the painting of the
building and some other stuff that they're doing but I thought the average cost has been about $2,500 So in in total what oh total maybe 25 thou,000 30 just off the top of my head in the past I know I'm
not I I know that's a Yeah No So in 2018 it was 35,000 In 2025 we spent $161,000 to businesses that in some form AC units So we've spent probably over just probably over like 300 400 about
almost $400,000 Okay within the past year we have definitely Yeah we spent a lot of money to to businesses already Yeah And remember over a period since 2017 we gave $1,000 to the residents So we have the details now Um for the
Apaca Action Sports amenity upgrades Um for the pavilion it was 83,712 the water fountain 5,500 The picnic tables 8,000 Two rail fencing 4,900
497889 ADA parking space 10,000 the artificial turf 120,000 38650 and the bike um repair station 1500 I have a question so the ADA parking space is 10,000 there but the
ADA parking space is 50,000 so is it going to be a larger correct we only looking to put one space at the park okay and then this multiple spaces at the multiple So which of those items any of those you
want to add back or Yeah or you want to wipe them all out so it's 111,000 without a little over that 113,000 without the artificial turf So you take out the artificial turf that Yeah it's about 114
Okay And what's that if we did that what would that where would that put us so take out the artificial turf No no Yeah Just So the one you say the Okay I'm just doing this here 713
5,500 is the new water fountain 8,000 for the new picnic tables The two fencing that ADA parking 10,000
in the bike repair station 1,500 What was that 3,000 for excuse me The pavilion Oh the pavilion Yeah So what does that leave us what does that leave us 117 98 98
Um we haven't talked about the downtown triangle property I know he shared a map with you I don't think that's I don't think it's value added for us at this point I think we should probably the 100,000 increase that 305 to 405 for the
residents Okay Everybody in agreement with that 40 Well I think we ought to leave at least something for the businesses So do you want to zero the facades you want so probably specific maybe 30,000 for the businesses I mean they've definitely have taken I mean I'm sure you guys see
they've definitely have taken advantage and it's mult it's the same businesses that have taken advantage of it So when I say taken advantage of it's it's just not been promoted to the residents Residents Yeah When I mean when I say taken advantage of not in a negative way but they have they've benefited from it The residents have not benefited from it
So let's put So we'll put what 30,000 in for facade as a we've got the the the overall commercial but we'll have another $30,000 additional for commercial facades Okay Right No AC correct i see
They got new They already have new AC They don't need anymore It's currently in the current year's budget It was budgeted at $100,000 How much have we spent Bobby you know not much Nothing If they're 23 I'll go
back and show you just a minute Facade renovation assistance So we're increasing a budget and we haven't exhausted the current budget We reallocate We we only to reallocate okay program Okay Because we're not the
spending was low Okay So then the difference then we go 87,000 left So you want to add that to this So that get us up to right at 400 400 Okay 87898 Member Drago you've been very quiet here
in the last 15 minutes and so we got Are you comfortable where we are need your input Well um 27,000 Okay Uh there's a
uh when I uh manage the five CRAAS uh there's a management I mean there's a measurement tool known as a productivity rate and a productivity rate is defined as a taxable value per
acre So government property doesn't count toward the taxable value So all these things that you've changed one way or the other the question would be asked would they
increase the taxable value per acre of the CRA and probably in some areas yes in some areas no Currently this CRA's productivity rate is $433,000 per acre
If you allow some buildings to be demolished in a CRA and you put up a fast food restaurant that productivity rate for the fast food restaurant is $618,000 per acre with no opportunity to increase its productivity rate So you're
pretty well frozen at the 618 So the question becomes is where best to allocate the money either on this list or some other list in order to improve that productivity rate That that would be the first
question Obviously um one of the areas I think um that needs to be concentrated on in my opinion is uh I know Mr Ernesto made a
comment that the city should be treated the same as a residence So with that philosophy that means all these properties that the city owns that are blighted should be removed because the city has no
objection to going to a resident and citing them for their property being blighted giving them code violations Well the city's not exempt from code violations So the question becomes is this list that is here um there's only one where
the blighted area is eliminated and that's 8th Street and Highland That's the old city property Are there others yes There's two vacant properties on 441 It's an old gas station and next to it there is a
VFW building with Well we're we're in the foreclosure process So but that but that's an idea That's all right So what you don't want is somebody come in and buy that property and put up a fast food restaurant because now you've taken away the productivity rate of the CRA by
eliminating those buildings The only the only other thing I would add uh Mr chair is um going back to member Anderson's um concerns about the process for the renovation of the
houses Uh I would suggest that the CRA attorney have some time to develop two tracks One track is if the resident says "I want the city's contractor to do it." And a second track
is if I want my contractor to do it So I think with his uh skill knowledge and ability he should be able to draw those two those two parallels and the residents get to choose And knowing Mr Sheepard um he's going to make sure that
the city is protected legally with these contracts I like that All right Great idea So So I guess if we're good I think what I'd like to do then is we can go ahead and approve the budget and then at the next council meeting We'll take
about a 15 minutes We're going to start at 6:30 We'll do another CRA meeting knock out the the the agreement the agreements and and uh so we knock that out and then go right into our our
normal 7 o'clock Does that sound like a that work for everybody yeah they'll send us an updated updated Yes ma'am Because even what was here didn't include all that was on this list that was presented Yes ma'am We Yes I'll send
it out Are we talking about the May 7 i mean May 7th Yes It's not next week Two weeks Two weeks I'm sorry So that's a 1:30 right oh 1:30 So it'll be a one So 1:00 Yes I'm sorry Yes We're back Yeah So it be at 1:00 We'll have a a CRA
board meeting 15 minutes Take a 15-minute break and head it right into the regular city council meeting So before we approve this are we able to just have residents come back up now that they see our numbers and how they're allocated just to get one final um just comments on it yes no we love it
We hate it We changed this Just so it helps to expedite that um that 1:30 or the one o'clock meeting next meeting as well The 1:30 meeting will only about be about the process Well I'd love to hear from the residents because now that we've actually allocated these funds I'd love to hear and get some specific
feedback on their funds I'd like for us to consider between now and the May 6 meeting Um we we valocate the $392,000 for the residents facade
And in the event that all those funds are not expended in a timely manner we need time to spend those funds So I'd like for us to consider a cut off date as to when those funds need to have been
allocated so that we have time then to reallocate any funds that have not been spent So we meet that October deadline So that'll be also for also for the um not only the residents but also for the business owners as well Correct They haven't So both of those those two Yes
So yes And that's by September 30th right clear Because it has to be as currently proposed We'll see about tomorrow Yeah I would I think we ought to do the last meeting in August before the last meeting in August because if we do it we got to have enough time to
figure out Yes We want to then what yes So we'll set up we'll have a next CRA meeting will be the August whatever the first one or the second one Second one So it'll be after So yeah Okay What day
would it be august I don't have my phone Yeah 20th 20th Yeah 20th Be the 20th Okay Okay So all right Okay With that we'll look for a motion to approve the Can we hear from resident does anybody want to
have a comment mr Chair I just wanted one question I guess of procedure Is it normally the city's policy if you're going to amend the budget to bring back the proper documents and in an ordinance form with the with the amended budget but
basically this is a reallocation It's not changing the bottom line of the budget So it's not resulting in a in an amendment but we do want this these projects to be approved by the CRA We'll just do a budget transfer within the city budget
So you allow internal transfers as long as the bottom line remains the same Correct So it just requires an approval Yes Okay uh real quick uh thank you for the opportunity to come up and speak again The most of the things that you know not
that I have to be in agreement with because we all have to compromise but uh in a certain way I feel you know feel okay moving forward What I will say is when we look at the
residents it seemed like the city attorney say our way is the best way to have preapproved construction uh companies Well here when I came up about
the uh CB uh CDB grant we was going to rebuild a home for $238,000 Two bedrooms one bath and a car porch When I came up and protest that I wonder who who did the the vetting of
that contract who put that contract together And then it turned out now we getting three bedrooms and two bath But still I don't see no car car porch No car porch And so when you look around at the average construction which I did do
a little investigation you can build a three bedroomedroom two bath and a single car garage for about $170,000 So while we allocate $238,000 to build a a a shack but this is coming from the city
This is coming from the city vetting contract and doing what's best for the city But then you're going to criticize that the residents don't have the knowledge to to make a educated decision for themselves That's the part that I have a problem with And going back to
Alonzo William Park the reason why we don't want to put electrical and water why is it because I I suggested it When you go over the north south you got damn near 50 of them out there Beautifully designed and set
up The last time we had an event at at Lonzo William Park you look where the vendors had to set up at No water no electricity It's it's shameful And then when I bring it up what you said Merrick
we'll look into that We'll look into that So do the right thing Put electrical out there Put water out there So when the vendors come out there they'll have some place to set up just like we do on the north side Thank you Excuse me Rathley I have a question Have Do we have a quote for
that for the electric and water setup at Alonzo William Park uh no We'd have to still work on that We're still working on it Okay So we're in the process of getting a We're in the process of getting a bid on it now Uh it's not it's not out for bid right now Not for bid right now No Let's try to add that to this budget coming up
in FY26 Yes Yes Thank you If uh Lero Mah Helen if you remember the last time I came up last CRA meeting you guys are considered the advisory
board and is also comprised of the decision that you're making It say that the it's the advisory board and two members of the community And we we sitting up here
striking this moving that this that Where were any member of the community in that discussion you just you just stood up there Yes Uh Bradley just confirmed it Oh yeah Yeah We we we we put sod in
there and we have put sprinkles sprinkler system in there If you remember when I started my last comment you came into office in 2018 Here it is 2025 And they're just now getting sod
and water up there And still to Sylvester's point we don't have electricity up there you you're talking about this uh some of
this stuff up here need to be strapped and and I say from 8 to 13 need to be strike from up there You need to put two residents out of this community on
this advisory board If you don't no matter how far or how much you want to rush this to get into a deadline all somebody have to do is complain to the CRA and they'll track everything
Hi Linda Ball 73 West Orange Street I live in the old Robinson house What's that i live in the old Robinson house Okay And um until I sat where member Drago sat I had no clue about the CRA My suggestion would to be to have some sort
of workshop for residents that are interested Number one that'll give you a possible number of how many are interested and would want the money That's all Thanks Thank you Hello Hi my name is Kendra suggesting
going back what she said there is not a lot of information that's getting to the residents to know about the CRA so some kind of pamphlet or mail in something would help and back to what they was talking about the Alonzo wisdom park I have been a vendor there for Junth for the past what three years or so and it
is we don't have no electrical and no water so it's hard to do any business like setting up when we don't have any water electrical and I have been a vendor out there so yeah that would be we need that out there at that part That's all Thank you
Rod Olsson mayor commissioners and John Uh just two observations One observation is the fact is in the history we have not spent the money because we didn't have the infrastructure or someone to bird dog this thing to make sure we deliver And this is something that
certainly by the legislation that may be going away or it's going to be limited We need to make sure we stay on top of it and we're moving that along The other thing is we have a big sales program You can't tell me if you go to residents say we have $10,000 that you can spend to
improve your your house there First of all there's going to be a little discussion about well it's coming from the city Is this good or not we have to do a sales job to get out because we know there's hundreds of houses in the community that could use it We have to go out and sell it personally Sending a
mailing half the time something from the city it's going to go out the window and I'd be willing to serve and help any way I can Thank you Anybody else okay we'll close public hearing Look for a motion to approve the adjusted um CRA amended budget
reallocated Reallocation go Got a motion by Commissioner Anderson Second by Commissioner Smith All those in favor i opposed Motion carries unanimously Thank you all for coming Thank you 7:52 two