Let's go on the record. This is the time set for hearing on the application of next NextCity Networks Arizona LLC, DACA number TDash21357ADash25Dash0122 for approval of a CCNN to provide facilities based wholesale services to telecommunications carriers in Arizona. The application also seeks a determination that the company's proposed services are competitive. I'm administrative law judge Brian Schneider. I'll be presiding over this hearing today,
and we'll start by taking appearances for the record, and I'll start with the applicant. Crockett. Good morning, judge Snyder. Jeff Crockett with Crockett Law Group, PLLC, appearing on behalf of the applicant, Next City Networks Arizona LLC. Good morning. And for staff. Good morning, your honor. Robert Ridenour for staff. Good morning. Alright. This would time I would ask for public comment if there is any. I'm looking at an empty room and an empty monitor in front of me, so I am going to conclude the public comment portion of the hearing seeing that
there are no public present. So we can move to the hearing itself. If you have opening statements, now would be the time. Would you like to make one? Thank you, your honor. I do have a brief opening statement. Perfect. The applicant, NexCity Networks Arizona LLC, which I will refer to today as NexCity Networks or the company, is a Delaware limited liability company and its sole member is NextCity Networks Holdings, LLC. NextCity Networks Holdings, LLC is 100% owned by NextEra Energy Capital Holdings,
Inc, which is 100% owned by NextEra Energy, Inc. NextEra Energy, Inc. Is a New York Stock Exchange traded Fortune 200 company headquartered in Juno Beach, Florida with a 100 track record of providing utility service. In addition to the applicant NextCity Networks Arizona, NextEra Energy, Inc. Owns Florida Power and Light Company, which is America's largest electric utility serving approximately 6,000,000 customer accounts or more than 12,000,000
people across the state of Florida. NextCity Networks Arizona is led by a team of experienced executives and managers with extensive backgrounds in telecommunications, infrastructure development, network operations and utility scale infrastructure development, network operations and utility scale project management. The company's leadership team brings significant expertise in planning, deploying and operating critical infrastructure, as well as delivering reliable, high quality services to commercial and institutional customers. In addition to its core management team, Nexcity Networks benefits from the operational,
technical and administrative support of its affiliates, including the resources of NextEra Energy, Inc, which employs approximately 18,000 professionals nationwide. This depth of experience and organizational support enhances the company's ability to efficiently design, construct, operate and maintain the services it will offer in Arizona. On 06/10/2025, Nex City Networks filed an application in this docket seeking a certificate of convenience and necessity to provide wholesale telecommunications services using its own facilities based fiber infrastructure.
The company plans to deploy and operate multi conduit fiber optic networks in Arizona, including underground and aerial fiber cable, fiber electronics and termination equipment, routing and switching equipment and related supporting infrastructure. The company will provide intrastate multi conduit fiber networks and lease dark and lit services to wholesale customers, including telecommunications carriers and Internet service providers. These facilities will be constructed, owned and maintained by NextCity Networks Arizona.
The evidence and testimony you will see and hear today will demonstrate that NextCity Networks has the technical, managerial and financial qualifications to provide the wholesale telecommunications services it will offer in Arizona. CCNN. Responses to those data requests. Staff issued a staff report marked as Exhibit S-one, finding that NextCity Networks has the technical, managerial and financial capabilities to operate in Arizona and has recommended approval of the company's application with standard conditions. Staff has also recommended that the services of the company be the services the company will offer be classified as competitive.
Next City Networks requests the Commission approve its application for a CCNN to provide competitive facilities based wholesale telecommunications services and that the services be classified as competitive. The company further requests that the Commission approve the tariff The three that it file its contracts with the Commission, subject to the condition that the company produce any contract to staff upon request. You will hear testimony that Nex City Networks fully supports the staff report docketed on 12/31/2025 and that the company agrees to abide by all of the conditions contained in
the staff report. NextCity Networks will present one witness, Patrick Campbell, who will appear virtually from Florida. Also attending with mister capital with mister Campbell at his location is Will Cox, who is senior counsel for Florida Power and Light Company, and Roseanne Bloom, who's a project director for NextEra Infrastructure Solutions. I will present six exhibits marked as exhibits a one through a six, copies of which were previously provided to your honor and to staff. Thank you. Thank you.
Staff, you have an opening? Thank you, your honor. Just like to thank mister Crockett for the thorough review of the case and we will waive our opening statements. Very good. Mister Crockett, you can call your witness. Thank you, your honor. The the company calls Patrick Campbell. Alright. And, mister Campbell, are you are you there? Yes. Let's go off the record for a second. Mister Campbell, you're not is there a way to turn your video on and your audio on? Mhmm. We see that you're here. We just don't we see you're muted and we don't see your video, assuming you hear me. Mister Campbell, there's buttons on the bottom of the screen,
that says mute and stop video or start video. If you press on those, that should put you in the meeting. Right. I don't okay. Well, we got a thumbs up by somebody, which is better than nothing. Yeah. I'll put that on the call of a good call, the good side. Let's see. We're off the record. So Yeah. Let me just in a relaxed manner. But, let me see if I can reach out here. It's always possible I'm doing so. Oh, seriously. Big Brother's good about that all of a sudden. Is
it on our? Oh, you can see On their end? Oh, I see you. Good morning. Good morning. Hi. Good evening. Apologize for the I apologize for the inconvenience, your honor. I think we had a technical dip, issue there, but I'm I'm I'm in. Trust me. I'm glad we're we're the technology company here. Yes. And, I'm just happy it's it's not my fault. So there you go. So you're you're already ahead of me. Alright. We're gonna go back on the record and, keep going. So let's go back on the record officially. We have, mister Campbell here. I'm gonna ask ask you, to be sworn in at this time.
So if you could, raise your right hand and, I'll let the court reporter swear you in. Sir, do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. Thank you. Alright. Get comfortable, and, mister Crockett, take it away. Thank you, your honor. Good morning, mister Campbell. Good morning, mister Crockett. Am I coming through loud and clear? Yes, sir. K. Would you please state your name and business address for the record? My name is Patrick Campbell. My business address is 700 Universe Boulevard, Juno Beach,
Florida. By whom are you employed and in what capacity? I'm employed by Florida Power and Light Energy Service in the capacity of a senior engineer. Florida Power and Light Light Energy Services, owns, Nexity, Arizona LLC, which, is dotted line to Nexity Network, which is dotted line to FPL, which owns both FPLES and, Nexity Network, which is both owned by parent company, NextEra Energy.
Would you please describe your responsibilities for Nexity Networks Arizona? As a senior engineer, I design large network and provide customer solutions for our technical customers. I also integrate all of our technology solution, into the network that we design for the customers that we serve. Mister Campbell, would you please describe your professional and educational background? I hold a master's degree in engineering, in addition, with, specialty in telecommunication network.
I have twenty years of industry experience working with companies like AT and T and the Crown Castle. I also, during the course of career, have served on the Telequardia, international board of advisory board. This board oversees, telecommunications standards globally. It's an offshoot of, legacy, Bell Bell Bell Network. Have you testified previously before the Arizona Corporation Commission? No, sir. Are you authorized today to testify on behalf of Nex City Networks Arizona?
Yes, sir. K. Mister Campbell, you you you touched on this just a moment ago, but would you please again describe Network City or Nexity Networks Arizona and specifically describe how it fits within the corporate structure at NextEra Energy Inc? Sure. So Nexity Network Arizona is a holding of, Nex Nexity Network Holdings. The Nexity Network Holding is 100% owned by NextEra Energy Capital Owning.
NextEra City NexEra Energy Capital Holding is a 100% owned by NextEra Energy. Mister Campbell, is the corporate structure outlined in attachment a eight of the application? Yes. And is there a a organizational chart there that shows the relationship that you just described? Yes, sir. And, mister Campbell, is Nexidia Networks Arizona l a LLC a Delaware limited liability company? Yes, sir. And has Next City attachment a.
I'm sorry. Say that again. Yes, sir. Please see, attachment a a. K. And is Nexity Networks Arizona registered as a foreign limited liability company in Arizona? Yes, sir. And was the company registered on 08/21/2023? Yes, sir. The company was registered on 08/21/2023. Is Next City Networks Arizona a company in good standing in the state of Delaware? Yes. And is it also a company in good standing in the state of Arizona? Yes.
And has, has the company included a certificate of good standing from the state of Delaware that is attached as exhibit a eight to the application? Yes, sir. Mister Campbell, did Next City Networks cause notice of the CCNN application and this hearing to be published in a newspaper of general circulation in Arizona as required by the 01/27/2026 procedural order in this case? Yes. Notice of application and this hearing was published on 01/31/2026 in the Arizona Business Gazette
Republic edition. Is the Arizona Business Gazette Republic edition a newspaper of general circulation in Arizona? Yes. Did Nexidia Networks docket an affidavit of publication from the Arizona Business Gazette Republic edition? Yes. And, the affidavit of publication was filed with Docket Control on 02/09/2026. And, mister Campbell, do you have before you the applicant's exhibits in this case, exhibits a one through a six? Yes, sir. Is exhibit a five a true and correct copy of Nexidia Networks notice of filing
affidavit of publication, which was filed in the docket? Yes. Did Nex City Networks also provide a link to the application on its website? Yes, sir. Has network has Next City Networks received any comments from the from the public regarding its application? No, sir. Has any person or entity filed any opposition to the application in this docket? No, sir. And, mister Campbell, has any person or entity sought to intervene in this case? No, sir. Are you familiar with the application and petition for a certificate of convenience and necessity
to provide intrastate telecommunication services that was filed by Nexidia Networks on 06/10/2025, which I have marked as ExhibitA1? Yes. Mister Campbell, is ExhibitA1 a true and correct copy of Nex City Network's application? Yes, sir. Do you have personal knowledge of that application? Yes, sir. What authority is Next City Network seeking in the application? Nexcity Network is seeking authority to provide wholesale services to telecommunication carriers in Arizona. Is Nexcity Networks requesting that the commission classify its telecommunications services as competitive?
Yes, sir. Is Nex City Networks seeking statewide authority? Yes, sir. Mister Campbell, did Nex City Networks include a proposed tariff with its application? Yes, sir. And is that attachment a nine to the application? That is correct, sir. Did Nex City Networks receive any formal data requests from utilities division staff regarding the application? Yes, sir. And did did the company receive two sets of data requests? That is correct, sir. Did Nexcity Networks file responses to staff's data requests in the docket? Yes, sir.
Is exhibit a two a true and correct copy of Nexidia Networks response to staff's first set of data requests minus the response to data request 1.5? Yes, sir. That is correct. Is Exhibit a 3 a true and correct copy of Nexidia Networks corrected response to staff data request 1.5? Yes, sir. That is correct. And is exhibit a four a true and correct copy of Nexidia Network's response to staff's second set of data requests? Yes. Mister Campbell, do you adopt the application and Nexidia Network's responses to staff's data request as your
testimony today? Yes, sir. And mister Campbell, do you have any amendments or corrections to make to the application at this time? Yes, sir. Nexidia Network is requesting that a commission grant a waiver of the contract filing requirements set forth in Arizona administrative code r one four dash two one one five c three, which states that, I quote, contracts of telecommunication companies governed by this article shall be filed with the commission no
later than five business days after execution, End of quote. Nexity Network does not oppose producing a contract to the commission of any at any time upon request and for certain contract pursuant to the term of a certification, but seek to avoid the unnecessary transmission and storage of document submitted for no particular reason of than the general requirement of the rule. Nexity Network agrees that a waiver would be subject to the condition that a company produce any contract for which cost data is supplied to utility division staff and that
a company be required to provide any contract to staff at any time upon request. Mister Campbell, has the applicant discussed this waiver request with staff? Yes. It is my understanding that, staff does not oppose the request. And, mister Campbell, do you have a copy of exhibit a six before you? Yes, sir. Is it your understanding that exhibit a six is an excerpt from commission decision 79628? Yes, sir. And if you would look at the second page of that exhibit and specifically,
finding a fax 62. Do you see that? It's outlined in red on your copy, assuming you printed it in color. Yes, sir. Okay. And I'm gonna read that I'm gonna read that, that finding of fact for you. Staff believes that, in this case, it was Allo. ALLO's request seeking a waiver of the filing requirement contained in AAC r 14 dash two dash eleven fifteen c three is reasonable and recommends that the commission approve the waiver request subject to the condition that the company be required to provide its ICB
contracts to staff at any time upon request. When you mentioned that the company was agreeable to, that that, condition of the waiver. Is this is this language acceptable to the company? Yes, sir. Or or language like this? Yes, sir. Mister Campbell, what what services will Nexity Networks offer in Arizona? Nexity will will provide wholesale competitive access service utilizing, fiber based infrastructure. Specifically, the company will deploy and operate multi conduit fiber throughout Arizona,
offering dark fiber leasing to telecommunication carriers, lit service, lit fiber services, high capacity point to point, data transmission, cross connect services related to, our infrastructure, services offered under the tariff rate or individual case basis arrangements. That's a sampling of predominantly the services that we would offer. Yes, sir. Can you provide some examples of the services that Nexity Networks will provide? I sure can. So, Nexity has over ten years of,
operating in the infrastructure and providing telecommunication, services. Collectively, we have owned and operated services in Scouko Haven, Pennsylvania. We have built five miles of fiber in unserved, underserved areas. And in this area, we've covered and provide Internet access to more than 2,000 homes and business businesses. In Marco Island, Florida, we operate a 170 miles fiber infrastructure, reaching, more approximately 10,000
premises, both business and, residential. In Grand Junction, Colorado, where we have one of our larger network, we have over a 180 miles, fiber and approximately 20,000 premises, both, commercial and residential that we serve. On the tragic coast, we're building out a 175 a 170 miles network, and, we will be offering, both fiber and lead services. Those are a sampling of some of the services that we typically offer and have
offered in different states. And mister Campbell, when you say we there, are you talking about affiliates of Next City Networks Arizona? That is correct, sir. Because Next City Networks Arizona is a brand new entity. Is that correct? That is correct, sir. But Next City Networks Arizona shares the same top management, as the other affiliates that it has around the country. Is that correct? That is also correct, sir. Okay. Is Net City Networks Arizona seeking statewide authority? Yes. Will Next City Networks Arizona provide service using its own facilities?
Yes. Nexcity Network Arizona will provide services using its own facilities fiber based infrastructure. Will NextCity Networks have a physical office and employees in Arizona? So NextCity Network Arizona can efficiently scale operation and and establish a dedicated physical presence in Arizona as business need requires. Does answer to your question, sir. Yes. Okay. But does Nexity Networks Arizona have access to other,
resources within its affiliates, such as contractors, engineering professionals, operational personnel, those types of resources? Yes. We do. But Nexity Network Arizona doesn't it is not has been established as yet. So even although we have resources there, that we could use in the future, we, will assess our resources as, needed. K. Will Nexity Networks have a customer service center? Yes. And where will that be located? The customer service will be located at 4200 West Flagler Street here,
in in Miami, Florida. Will Nexity Networks have a networks operation center? As noted in section a six of the application, Nexity Network Arizona does not currently operate a stand alone network operation center. However, in the past, we have partnered with our ISPs to provide network, operation center services, not services. We will, of course, as the need arise, reevaluate whether we, build and operate our own or we continue to rely on our partners in,
in the ISP space, Internet service provider space. Mister Campbell, would you next describe the primary members of the management team of Nexity Networks Arizona and discuss their experience in providing the services network Nexity Networks Arizona intends to offer? Sure. We're led, by our director of commercial engineering, Brad Gunther. Brad, operates construction and operation engineering team. He oversees the development, design engineering, permitting, installation, maintenance, and monitoring of of our infrastructure.
Brad has over thirty five years of experience in construction engineering. He holds a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering and a MBA as well. Brad also holds a professional engineer's license in more than 12 space. On the sales team, is Frank Arbide. He leads our fiber development team. He, has over thirty years of industry experience leading, our digital marketing firm.
Frank is a graduate of Duke University Law School where he secured a JD. He also holds a bachelor's degree in business administration with a focus on finance. Our day to day affairs on the, operation is led by Mike Vigo, Michael Vigo, who is our manager of fiber construction. He has twenty one years of industrial experience with a degree in electrical engineering and a specialty in wireless communication. We also have Lauren Romero, who is our senior manager leading the fiber team with twenty years experience with Six
Sigma Green Belt, project experience, hold a bachelor's degree in business administration, and a master's degree in information technology. I will stop there, sir. K. Mister Campbell, does Nexity Networks Arizona possess the technical expertise to provide competitive wholesale telecommunication services in Arizona? Yes. Nexity Network possesses the technical expertise necessary to provide competitive wholesale telecommunication service. The company through its parent organization has over twenty five years of experience in backbone
and middle tier fiber infrastructure, complemented by more than ten years of our fiber to the home, deployment experience. The depth of our experience is demonstrated through a proven track record of large scale fiber project, including a few of the projects that I've listed earlier, Skruggelhaven, Marco Island, Grand Junction, and other projects that points to our expertise. This extensive portfolio demonstrate the company's capability to design, deploy, and operate complex large scale fiber broadband infrastructure
and affirms its resident readiness to deliver reliable, wholesale, competitive access service in the state of Arizona. Mister Campbell, beyond the, technical expertise, does the applicant also possess the managerial expertise to provide competitive wholesale telecommunication services in Arizona? Yes. The company's offices and managers have experience overseeing infrastructure business and complex operate in complex operational environment. As a wholly owned indirect subsidiary of Nexil Era Energy,
the company benefits from established corporate governance, financial oversight, compliance system, and risk management framework. This management structure ensures that Nexity Network Arizona can operate in compliance with Arizona's cooperation commission rules and applicable telecommunication regulations. Mister Campbell, does Nexity Networks rely upon the financial resources of its upstream affiliates? As described in section b dash three of the application,
Nexity Network will rely on the financial resources of its resources of its ultimate parent company, NextEra Energy. As the largest renewable energy company in certainly The US, and one of the largest investors in American infrastructure. NextEra Energy, Inc, through subsidiary, NextEra Energy Capital Holding or NEECH, is one of the few companies in our energy industry that has the flexibility to initially fund Nexidia Network using its balance sheet. So the answer to your question is yes.
Mister Campbell, in light of the foregoing testimony, does Nexidia Networks have the financial capability to provide telecommunication services in Arizona? Yes. NCN Arizona parent company is NextEra Energy. NextEra Energy is a Fortune 200 company, fourth quarter earnings were $1,330,000,000 with a b. Mister Campbell, has Nex City Networks Arizona or any of its officers, directors, partners, or managers ever been involved in any formal or informal complaint proceeding before any state
or federal regulatory commission, administrative agency, or law enforcement agency? No. Has Nexidia Networks or any of its officers, directors, partners, or managers been involved in any civil or criminal investigation, or had judgment entered in any civil matter, judgment levied by administrative or regulatory agency, or been convicted of any criminal acts within the last ten years? No. Is Nex City Networks, Arizona authorized to provide telecommunications services in any other state at this time? No. However, our affiliates of Next City Network Arizona have state or authorization to operate in Oklahoma,
Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Georgia, and, Michigan. And Colorado as well? Yes. And and Colorado. Has Nexidia Networks Arizona applied for a municipal franchise in Arizona? No. At this time, the company has not applied for a municipal franchise in Arizona because the company is not yet operational and is awaiting approval of its certificate of convenience and necessity. The company will pursue, any required permits, right of way, or franchise agreement as necessary when specific deployment projects are initiated.
If the commission grants a CCNN to Nexity Networks, when does the company expect to begin providing service? The company expect initial service offering to begin immediately. But, realistically, we expect to to begin approximately six to twelve months following approval of CC and and end subject to construction and, customer demands. Mister Campbell, have you had an opportunity to review the staff report that is dated December 3135? Yes. Does Nexidia Network support the staff report?
Yes. Have you read staff's recommendations on pages five and six of the staff report? Yes. Does Nexity Networks agree to abide by each of staff's recommendations? Yes. And your honor, I'd note again for the record that the staff report has been marked as exhibit s one. So mister Campbell, let's let's wrap up with this. Do you believe that it is in the public interest for the Arizona Corporation Commission to approve the application submitted in this docket by Nexity Networks Arizona with the incorporation of staff's recommendations?
Yes. Approval of this application will accomplish a number of things. It will increase infrastructure investment in Arizona by deploying new fiber based telecommunication facilities, enhance competition in the wholesale telecommunication market, support broadband expansion by enabling carriers, ISPs, wireless providers, utilities and other service providers services to telecommunication ecosystem. Mister Campbell, is there anything else that you need to put on the record with respect to
the application? Not at this time, sir. Does this conclude your testimony? Yes. I would like to thank staff for its work on the application. Judge Schneider, that concludes my direct examination of mister Campbell. I would make him available now for cross examination. Alright. Did you wanna move a one through a six? Thank you. You know, I will move, a one through a one through a five. A six, you may take judicial events of a one through a five? No objection, your honor. A one through a five is admitted. Thank you, your honor. Now I would make mister Campbell available for cross examination.
Perfect. Is there any cross examination? No cross examination, your honor. Thank you. I too have no questions. That was quite thorough. Thank you very much. You are excused as a witness, mister Campbell. Thank you, your honor. Alright. Do you plan to call any further witnesses? That is our direct case, your honor. Thank you. Thank you. Staff, your turn. Thank you, your honor. Staff calls Jackie Neese to the stand. Very good. Come on up. Alright. Before you sit down, I'm gonna ask you to be sworn in. If you can raise your right hand. And do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Have a seat. Be comfortable. We'll make sure the light is on, and then you can take it away. Thank you, your honor. Can you please state and spell your name for the record? It's Jackie Neeese, j a c k I e n e e s e. And, with whom were you employed? The Arizona Corporation Commission. And what is the business address? It is 1200 West Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85007. And what is your role with the Commission? I am a public utilities analyst. And how long have you been employed by the Commission?
Six years. Okay. What are your responsibilities as a public utilities analyst? I am assigned various cases, telecom, energy, and gas. I analyze the application and information that the company provides and then provide my recommendation to the commission. And as part of your employment, were you tasked with reviewing the Nexcity Networks application? I was. K. Can you describe what you did as a review of this case? I, reviewed the application. I submitted data request to the company. I reviewed, all of the applicable information in order to determine if Nexidia is fit to serve
to serve Arizona. Thank Thank you. Do you have a copy of the staff report in front of you? I do. And is that listed as exhibit s one on the front? It is. Okay. Did you prepare the staff report? I did. Okay. Do you have any changes at this time to the staff report? I don't. Thank you. At this time, it moved that the staff report, staff's exhibit s one be admitted? Any objection? No objection. S one is admitted. Thank you. Based on the company's application, were you able to draw any conclusions regarding the company's fitness to provide private line telecom services in the state of Arizona?
Just that Nexity is fit to serve the public the Correct? Yes. Okay. Have you seen, Next City's request for a waiver of the Arizona Administrative Code R14Dash two Dash one one one five C3? I have. And do you think that waiver should be Yes. It is. Okay. That is all the questions I have, your honor. Very good. Any questions from the applicant? Your honor, just a couple if I might. And I have an exhibit if I might approach the witness. You may. Good morning, Ms. Neese. Good morning. I've handed you a document that's been marked as exhibit A6.
This is an excerpt of decision 79,628, in docket T-twenty 1,276 A-twenty three-three zero four. If you would turn to the second page of that document and you'll see that I've highlighted finding of fact 62. Do you see that? I do. That is a that is a provision in this order that grants a a waiver request similar to the one by the applicant in this case. Is that language language that staff could support in a in a order in this case? Yes, it is.
Okay. And, miss Nies, were you present during the direct examination of mister Campbell this morning? Yes, I was. Was. Is there anything in Mr. Campbell's testimony that causes you to rethink or modify any of the conclusions or recommendations in the staff report? No there wasn't. Thank you Your Honor, that's all I I have. Very good. You guys make this easy on me. I have no questions. Your excuse is a witness. Does staff have any other witnesses? No further witnesses your honor. Alright thank you all. We can do some closing statements if you'd like Mister Crockett?
Your honor, I will be very brief. Appreciate staff's work in this case, on on reviewing this application. I submit that based on the evidence that we've presented today, both the documentary evidence and the testimony of mister Campbell, that, Next City Networks Arizona LLC has the technical, managerial, and financial capabilities to operate, in the public interest in the state of Arizona by providing competitive wholesale telecommunications services and we would urge the Commission to I would urge your Honor to issue a
recommended opinion in order for the Commission's consideration that would approve the application and the tariff that's associated with the application. Thank you. Thank you. Staff, any closing? Thank you. We'd just like to also thank Nexity and through counsel, mister Crockett, for all their assistance in this. We also recommend that the CCNN be be approved at this point. Very good. Well, I'll join the bandwagon of gratitude, and thank you both and everyone else for, your professionalism and cooperation. This matter is taken under advisement. I will be issuing, a recommended opinion in order for the,
commission at an upcoming open meeting for their determination. Thank you all. I guess you guys unless you're screaming that I forgot something, here are the magic words. We are adjourned. Thank you. And your honor, just Yes. Just quickly, is there anything the court reporter needs for any clarifications at this time for the transcript? I'll let you guys figure that out off the record. We are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you, your honor.