All right. Meeting call to order. Council member Bezerson, I'm here. Council member Chapman here. Council member Clayton here. Deputy Mayor Quinn here. Mayor Moore here. Please stand for a silent prayer. Moment of reflection.
Thank you. We will now salute the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. As comply with the Open Public Meetings Act, chapter 231 PL1 1975, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided in the following manner. The annual notice was forwarded to the Asbury Park Press, the coaster, and the Star Ledger on January 16th, 2025, and posted on the
bulletin board the same day. The notices are on file with the city clerk. Uh, moving on to proclamations. I would like to announce mayor and council have issued a proclamation recognizing April 26, 2025 as Arbor Day. And with that, we are moving on to special event
applications from recreation director Alicia Floyd. I don't know. [Music] Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Council. Um, this evening there are six applications before you. All of them are returning
events with the ex exception of the Aspbury Park Food Truck and Music Festival which will be held on October 25th and 26. Are there any questions? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night.
We're now on to matters from the city council. Council member Bez Anderson. Nothing from me. Thank you. Thank you. Council member Chapman. Hi everyone. So, I just want to let you know that the um Chamber of Commerce restaurant tour takes place on Saturday on Sunday, April
27th from noon to 4. And if anybody's interested in tickets, the um website is aspberry parkchamber.com. And it's 27 restaurants throughout the city. It's always a lot of fun. So, I hope you uh take advantage of it. Thank you, Council
Member Clayton. Yes. On Saturday, April 26, the city is sponsoring a a an event. There are going to be a number of vendors. It's called Made and Sold in Asbury Park. So, these are
restaurants, stores, and the entrance fee is zero. So, we'd like you to come out. It's from 12 to 4:00 p.m. and it's at the Berkeley. And then also we are continuing to have clean dumpsters out on the streets
for free for residents. If you're doing your spring cleaning or decluttering, here's an opportunity. And the next time you'll have they'll have be out will be on Saturday, May 3rd, and it'll be located next to the library. And they'll be there from the hours of 10:00 a.m. in
the morning until 4:00 p.m. Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Quinn. Um, sadly, Esprey Park experienced a shooting. Um, and I think the entire mayor and council just want to offer our thoughts and prayers to the family of
the victim. Thank you, Mayor Morgan. Nothing. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, moving on to matters from the acting city manager? Nothing. Thank you. Thank you. And matters from the city attorney? I All right. We're now moving on to a presentation by
Crossroad at Asbury Park LLC for the redevelopment of block 2703, lot 37, 70175 Second Avenue. First, we're going to have a short overview though from planning consultant Beth McManis. Want to ask you a question.
Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry. Good evening, folks. My name is uh Bethany. I'm the uh planning redevelopment consultant for the city of Asbury Park. I'm just going to give a quick introduction and then allow the
developer to go through the redevelopment uh proposal that's uh that's been presented this evening. So, tonight's presentation is about the Holy Spirit property, the Holy Spirit church site. This is the church located uh at 701 to 7:05 Second Avenue. It's a
component of second and bond. Uh for those of you that have been following the process, we've had a few different presentations uh over the last perhaps 18 months or so. Tonight's presentation is uh the developers review of their current proposal which has been amended
from from earlier in the year or excuse me late last year to respond to some of the community concerns. But at its core, it remains an adaptive reuse of the church and construction of a multif family residential building on remaining land. And so with that, and I'm going to
hand things over to the developer and have him provide any other all the presentation. If he needs it, no problem. Yeah, you can wants to see. Yeah. Where wherever you're
comfort move that mic down to your mouth. So turn this. It probably wasn't working. Don't worry. I just want to echo. That's all. All
right. Hello. Oh, you guys can hear me now. All right. So, my name is Joseph Hannah. This is Ozie. We are the developers for uh the Holy Spirit Church. This presentation is for the adaptive reuse of the former Holy Spirit Church into an innovative live, work,
and play development. The last time we were here to present this project, we received two yeses and three no votes. Since then, I've had the opportunity to speak to one of the council members. And together, I feel like we've come up with a revised plan
that will address some of the council members needs. Okay. And the first thing we did was we increased the parking supply. So, and just to get to the nitty-gritty of it, it's one parking space for every market rate unit and two parking for every one
and two-bedroom parking rate unit and two spaces for every three-bedroom unit, regardless whether it's market rate or income restricted. Okay. Um, the way we're able to get to the increased parking supply was uh Can you actually can you go to
the parking And there's an additional three ADA parking spaces that were added as well. So, we took the lobby and the retail space and amenity space from the front of the building. We removed that from the building. The lobby is now
situated on the side of the residential building. It's now sandwiched between the church building and the residential building and it kind of uh joins the two buildings together. So they're now actually connected. The lobby is adjoining within the church to get into the residential building. So there's
actually two entrances for the lobby, one from the church and one from the exterior of the building, which uh I thought was pretty cool. Um the gym was now located to the lower level of the church and the retail space is just
gone. We figured we had enough retail space in the church. So the front facade of the building will still remain glass. So if you notice there's like a little box in the front and we'll just display artwork there. And and the reason behind that is we still wanted to display the we still
didn't want it to be residential from ground floor all the way up to the top. We wanted it to have some sort of retail look on the bottom and then residential up top. So, it'll just be it'll just be glass with with artwork displayed behind it to to give the appearance of a storefront, but it's
not see that. We also took the density down from 90 units to 80 units. didn't want to do that, but that was the only way that we were able to get to one parking space per unit and two parking spaces for
every three-bedroom unit. The next thing we did is we decreased the parking demand. Uh can we go to the lower level, please? And the way we reduced the parking demand was now the office space on the lower level of the building is now
restricted to only the tenants of the building. Not just the residential tenants, but obviously the church tenants as well. So the way we look at it is it's kind of like co-working open office space that both the residents of the residential building and the church building can use. if a photographer is
upstairs and needs additional studio space or if there's an artist downstairs that needs uh additional studio space or additional space to to kind of put together their artwork, they'll be able to rent out one of the office spaces, but the office space cannot be rented by
anybody just coming in to rent the office space. It's got to be a tenant of the building. Anybody outside anybody else out of development wouldn't be able to rent in there. So that kind of reduces the parking demand for the office space on the lower level.
Um those are really the main things. Those are really the main changes. So basically we we decreased the parking demand and increase the parking supply in uh in a few different ways. Is anybody have any questions? I'm sure there will be. So
yeah, I'll start off. Yeah. Um I know you went from 90 to 80 units and you went from 74 to 83 parking spots. Yep. And you say, and if you did the simple math, you're right. It's more than one per unit. But when you dedicate
two to 16 three bedroom units, three bedrooms, that's 32, leaving 51 for more than even 51 spaces for more than the rest of the units.
Yeah. So there's not a park there's the if my math's right, 13 units either being one bedroom, two bedrooms are going to have no parking spots. No. Wait, what do you mean? No. So the one bedroom gets 20 units. The three bedrooms gets 16 parking, but the 16
parking is stacked. So it's two parkings per for per for two three bedrooms. Okay. So then is the right number 99 not 83 16 parks but 51 I've got that is correct. 90 will be 99. Correct. Okay.
Correct. The reports say 83. Yeah it's 83 parking spots. Let me see what you said. Well keep in mind these are only for the market rate units. So, right now we have 64 market rate units. You're right.
Right. So, and I know the way the architect did this was kind of confusing. No, you're right, Joe. I mean, yeah. 64 I take that back. You're right. The 64 parking for market units. Yeah. And 16 to to to come up to 80
parking will be the stack for the three bedrooms. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhm. So it's 60. So you have 64 market rate units and in total single spots you have 16 and 51. So you
have 67 and three. So you hold on 67 and three. Yeah. So you have 70 parking spaces and 64 market rate units. 83 total spots. But the three bedrooms get the two parking spots by the lift.
So on a ground level parking space, it's actually only one parking space, but every threebedroom gets 11. Hold on a second. So we have now we have 21 bedrooms, 20-1 bedroom units, 44 two unit
twobedroom units, and 16 three bedroom. Yeah, that's total. That's correct. So the 16 get 32 spaces each. That's 30. Not necessarily. Not all 16 because there's income restricted in the three bedrooms. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I take that back. The
three-bedroom income restricted still get two unit two parts. You're right. I'm sorry. So, that's 32. Yeah. So, 32 from 83 is 51. But you got 21 bedrooms and 44
twobedrooms. That's 64 units. Yeah. And 51 parking spots. Now, you have 67 parking spots. You have 51 single spots, 16 stackers, which comes up to 32 parking spots. So the the total that you have is 67 parking spots plus three ADA
parking spots. Let's start again. Okay. How many total parking spots in the parking garage including stackers? 83. Okay. So we've got 83. Mhm. We take away 32. Take away 16. We take away 32. Two for
the 16 threebedrooms. That's correct. Okay, we're correct so far. 83 minus 32 is 51. Correct. But you have 64 units to use 51 parking spots.
No, cuz your 64 units are included in your three-bedroom. You took away the three bedrooms. No, you got 21 20 slash one bedroom units and 44. You decrease the number of one units and increase the number to which I have no
problem. But there's 20 oneunit bedrooms and 44 two units. I think the easiest way to look at this 64 that's 64 units. Yeah. So 51 parking spots. So I think the easiest way to look at this, you see where it says total 67 parking spaces.
That's 67 sparking spaces on ground level. You have 83 parking spaces total with the lifts. Eight. Okay. We'll start again. And correct. Okay.
The building now has it went from 74, which I appreciate, to 83 parking spots. 72. Yeah. Okay. Correct. So now we have 83 parking spots. Mhm. You have 16 three unit threebedroom units. Correct. And
they're getting two each. That's 32. Mhm. So 83 minus 32 is 51. But as far as apartments, one bedrooms you have 20 and two bedrooms you have 44. So that's 64
units with 51 parking spots. Yeah. But you got to take away the income restricted. Income restricted because they don't get parking. They don't get parking, right? So it's only for market rate units that have one space per unit. And how many income restricted are there? 20%. How many units? question.
16. Is this 16 units? 16 units. Affordable units. The one and two bedrooms don't get for any of our developments outside. Fine. That wasn't in. If that was in there, I probably wouldn't be asking
these questions. I I understand that. Does it not say for income restricted units only? Excuse me. Does our presentation not say for for uh market rate units only for the parking? Did it? It should. I'm not sure. If it did, I apologize.
So So the 13 units that won't get parking, 16 Oh, you're right. 13 units. 13 units that won't get part or the affordable Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Correct. Except the three bedrooms. The three bedrooms still get two spaces per year.
Correct. Okay. Thank you. Got it. will be 51 - 16 35 parking. Okay. I mean I found it the easiest way I found to look at it is the total number is 67 spaces. We have 64 units.
So if it's a threebedroom it still has one ground level space except it use it utilizes a lift to be able to get to two spaces. So the easiest way to look at it is one space per unit. There's 64 units. We have 67 parking spaces. The reason that there's three over the 64 is
because there's three ADA spaces that we didn't allocate to units, which okay, apparently some developers do, which I can This whole shit's confusing. Yeah. Well, no. Why 67? Because 32 double for
the three bedrooms and the 35 is marketing units. Okay. Plus 16 markets. Okay. I'm just saying the easiest way to look at. We're good. Understand? Okay. Yes. Okay. Sorry that was confusing. No problem. I think we could have made that easier. On the first floor of the
church. Yeah. Uh you have a stage and even in some of your pictures you have a band playing on the stage. Yep. Would you make the commitment there would be no ticketed uh concerts in this because you could have a concert in there probably the church
is so big you would probably fit 500 people in there. Yeah, we don't have that many seats. We get some type of commitment that there'll be no ticketed events. Um I don't know if I can make that commitment because I don't know exactly what tenant we're going to have in there that's going to take over the cafe space and stage and I really don't want to
limit the tenants. I don't think it's going to be easy for us to find the correct tenants, okay, for this building. I don't want to limit what they can and can't do this early in the game. Okay, just a question again. You you've come down a lot in density. You've increased parking. I still don't
think there's enough parking. That's the only reason I'm asking. Just so I I will tell you that we will have valet for events. Oh, good. Where will Where will they be parked? No. Okay. You said you haven't figured that out yet. Other people have said the same thing. You could with with with
managed parking, you could fit over 120 spaces on that property. Okay. With managed parking, um they could be stacked behind the church building, in front of the church building, and they could also be stacked in the parking deck. Again, it has to be managed. There has to be a valet crew there to take the
cars in and out. Okay. And then as much as it's not going to be decided tonight, the financials. Yeah, let's talk about it. Okay. The piece of paper I got from you guys through Beth and everything said the
financials will stay the same, which I find if you deleting 10 units, I don't see how we get the same type of money. Finances doesn't stay the same. It goes down by $35,000. So, I'm sorry, but we got said it stays the same.
I believe says it stays around 300, please. Can you pull that up? That's wrong. There's another paper I have over here that should have been That's what we got. Says about $330,000 a year. I just can't see if you deleted 10 units. This is the paper supposed to be. It's wrong. Okay. So, what's what's
the right number? 295,000. Okay. And how'd you come up with that? Well, um, and that again, you say like we did it because I know you had to redo all your financials to make sure this is viable. It wasn't really that hard of a calculation to do. The city the city collects 10% of the annual gross
revenue. The annual gross revenue for every single unit is approximately $35,514 a year. They're like $3,000 $3,500 a month. So that $35,000 a year um it's just that times 10
times 10%. So that's $35,000. So $35,000 minus 333 is I don't know 295 or whatever the other Right. Okay. That's what the question. Yeah. I mean is that exact? No, I didn't have the
time to No, that's something that's being worked out down the road with when you give the proforma to our professionals everything and I just had to question how could it stay at 330 when it would go down. Okay. So, that number was wrong. Our income goes down.
I'm going to just again and Beth maybe you could uh correct anything that I say that is wrong that this vote if there is a vote tonight would be to move this to the planning board. uh to declare this as an area that needs
redevelopment of some sort. This wouldn't be a vote tonight on the pilot or even the project itself. Although it is certainly a blessing and a sign to you all that certainly three people are supportive in theory of this project.
But the only thing we are voting on tonight is to send this to the planning board. That's correct. There's a resolution later in your agenda. It's 2025-29 and it would do just that. authorized the planning board to study whether the site qualified as an area needed redevelopment. It's not a guarantee, but it's a symbolic vote for
the council about your support or lack thereof for the project. And so, if this came back to us with a pilot that we thought was not appropriate, there would be an opportunity to vote no. Yes, there are opportunities to vote no or yes at the
designation of the redevelopment area, which ultimately is decided by the council on the redevelopment plan itself and on the pilot. Thank you. Other questions? I have a question in regards to the uh
affordable units. The is it going to be low, very low, moderate, or is it workforce? That's a good question. So, we gave two options to the council. We you guys, I don't think made a decision on it, but I knew that question was going to come up, so I
brought it with me. Okay. So, scenario one is six affordable units. One very low onebedroom, one lowincome two-bedroom, one lowincome 3-bedroom, two moderate income two-bedroom units, one moderate income
three-bedroom units, and 12 workforce income units. Scenario two is one moderate income, onebedroom, six moderate income, two bedrooms, two moderate income, three bedrooms, and nine middle income units. Uh workforce units
essentially workforce housing units. Could you just explain what a workforce unit is? Sure. It's um what I would say is part of uh incomerestricted housing as opposed to affordable housing. Affordable housing here in New Jersey is
defined as 80% or less than median income. Workforce housing or referred to as middle inome housing in the city and some ordinances and policy documents is for income restrictions between that 80% the top of affordable housing and up to
120% of Can you just would it be fair to say that income restricted would likely be people like teachers, firemen, police officers, not people necessarily on disability? Yes, I think that's accurate. Yeah. Okay.
And it's restricted for how many years? 30 years. 40 years. 40. Sorry. 40 years. Apologize. I thought it went with the same thing as the tax. I mean, the pilot affordable housing rules have recently been changed requiring new rental units
to be 40 years rather than 30 years. So, as projects come forward in the future, this would qualify as one of those because we don't have redevelopment planning. Okay. workforce units are considered um low income. They workforce housing units do
not qualify for affordable housing credit against the city's affordable housing obligation. But uh but they do provide a different uh but they do provide an important and different level of affordability for folks that might otherwise not be able to afford to live
in the in the city or in that province. No other questions? No, I don't. Thank you. Thank you. There's going to be no other questions, but we're going to go to the public. I'm sure there'll probably be questions, so if you guys want to stay there, whatever you want to do. Sure.
We're now on to public participation. May I have a motion to open the meeting to the public? Move to open. Second. All in favor. Public participation portion of the meeting is now open. Any member who of the public who wishes to speak, please use the microphone. State your name and address for the record. And
there will be a three minute time limit for each speaker. And just so everybody knows, this is not just about this project. It's about anything and everything the city. So if you have anything you want to get to speak about anything or everything, now's the time to do it. It's not just
this redevelopment project. Thank you. Is this working? Okay. Hi. Uh, good evening. Um, my name is Kathy McQueen and I live at Fort Wesley Court here in town. I have lived here for the past 18 years with my husband Doug and we moved here because of the walkability,
vibrancy, and diversity of town. Culturally, nowhere beats here and it offers so much more than any other town on the shore. For over a decade, I was a parishioner and regular attendee of Holy Spirit Church. We would walk or ride our bikes over for mass and enjoy the
company of our neighbors of all backgrounds, young, old, Latino, Haitian, etc., all in the confines of that beautiful historic structure. And if you haven't been inside, it is truly magnificent. It's important to note that we did not drive and we did not take up
any parking spaces when we attended mass. Our church congregation is now dispersed amongst other parishes, but there's two possibilities for what comes in its place. one offers the variety and diversity that appealed to us from the first place while we moved here and it preserves a historic structure while
contributing to the economic vibrancy of the community. It also provides much needed affordable housing and community space. As an example, in addition to what Amy had mentioned about teachers, etc. When we increase restaurants and other small businesses in town, where do we expect people to live? They shouldn't
have to live outside of Asbury Park if they're working here. The other possibility is the six McMansions. forgive me, which may sit empty half of the year. That possibility offers the monolithic sameness of any wealthy suburb, which is what we tried to avoid
when we moved here. I urge the council to move forward with the plan that will preserve Holy Spirit building and provide muchneeded housing in a vibrant, walkable neighborhood. Please prevent the loss of another unique and beautiful historic structure in Asbury Park. Thank you.
[Applause] Thank you. When do when do you pick up your puppy? Oh, okay. Oh, hi. Sorry. Doug told me about your new puppy. So, my wife works there, so she showed me a picture of its brother or something. So, when do you pick up your new puppy? Oh my
gosh. Later in May. Okay. Congratulations. Yes. Thank you. Yes. And then her brother lives in town as well. Thank you. Thanks, Kathy. That was pretty much everything. Sorry I cried. So beautiful.
Thank you, Kathy. That was that was pretty much covered all of it. Um I was not a parishioner at the church on Polyga, Fifth Avenue. And yes, Aspbury Park is a real dog friendly town. A very walkable, dog friendly town. Everybody seems to have a dog except us, but
that's on the list coming up soon. Um yeah, Asbury Park really is a walkable city. All of it is and should be as safe as possible. I'm speaking on behalf of myself and Asbury Park and Fleet Streets Coalition. Um, many of you may not know or maybe you do know about the
designation of a transit village. Asbury Parks uh transit center and the surrounding area was designated by NJ DOT as a transit village, meaning that um residences and and retail spaces and other things are built and created around the the transit center and then
enabling people to get on the train and go to work or live at in affordable housing and and reasonable rate housing and walk across better light. This is NJ DOT at NJ Transit. walk across the train tracks, walk across Memorial, back and forth, better lighting, better crossing,
and then bridging two sides of the city, bringing the city together in a healthy way. And then by the same token, the development of this property, saving, preserving the church building itself, which I hate, I think we many of us would hate to see any historic any more
historic structures destroyed in the city, repurposing it, whether ticketed events, whether not with with co-working space, with a theater, with a cafe, making it be a vibrant part of the city, inviting people from both sides of the
city to participate, to enjoy functions or utilizing space for artists and then the residential building with 80 whatever number of buildings are in this and however many parking spaces are in this building. It will provide an incredible economic benefit to the
businesses on Main Street bringing people walking probably walking up and down Main Street, walking and rolling and using and partaking in the restaurants and purchasing things in these businesses. So there doesn't seem to be much of a downside except for
potentially lack of parking which seems to be a real shame since most of the houses on that street and please don't crucify me if I'm wrong have driveways and so if we have an influx of people utilizing that space as I think there
were six masses on that in that church is that right Kathy on Sundays every weekend there were six on Saturdays and Sundays six masses bringing dozens and dozens of cars every single weekend. It's It's hard to It's hard to comprehend why there would ever even be
a question that this church would be demolished and and more more residences. We desperately need more housing in the city. And yeah, parking is a problem. I know, but we need more places to live. So, thanks. Thank you.
[Music] Okay. Uh, good evening. Uh, Colin Chapman, 1408 Park Avenue. Um, uh, you know, I'm not here to, uh, you know, uh, degragate some of the, you know, the history of the church or any of that. Um, but I do share the concerns
of the mayor with the parking. Um, I think we're downplaying the the impact. Uh I I live in a house that does not have a driveway and it's a nightmare even with a parking permit. It's a nightmare to find a parking spot during peak months. Um have to park several
blocks away from the house, have groceries, you know, and I'm a resident of the town, so I just I just I don't I don't see how these numbers add up. I mean, one one uh bedroom unit, uh one car, and then I you know, I think most people maybe maybe you're going to have
two people living. I I just don't see how the math adds up. I think it's going to be a problem with the parking. Uh the town is growing. Uh the parking is finite. We're going to we're going to see we're going to see issues uh unless something is uh further addressed. Although I do appreciate the uh the
changes, I think we need to go a lot farther uh to support the parking. Um my second point uh has to do with pilot in general. Uh I own a uh 125year-old house in town and I am just flabbergasted. Uh
I have some statistics that I pulled off nj.gov. The value of and this is average residential sales price. Asbury Park 2015 $275,000 the average house in New Jersey during that same time. And again you can
go to new nj.gov gov and look at these statistics yourself if you don't want to take my word for it. $397,279. So, Asbury Park, uh the average residential sale price in 2015 was 45% lower than uh the average in New
Jersey. Fast forwarding to 2024, the average residential sales price of a house in Asbury Park is $700,700. Uh the average price in New Jersey, more broadly speaking, was 55 $573,997. Uh and now the average price
in Asbury has flipped from 45% lower in 2015 than the average New Jersey house to 22% higher in 2024. Um, the way, again, I'm not an expert at the pilot program, but the way I understand the pilot program is that it
offers uh tax relief to developers to come in and build and build buildings. Uh, and these people that that are be that will be living in these units will not have to pay the school tax that I have to absorb as a burden for myself. My taxes, I'm just going to throw out
some numbers on my taxes. I moved here in 2021. My taxes went up $4,423 or 37% four years. I would love to know what the tax increase for these units that are supported by the pilot program, how much they went up. That's
an average of over 9% per year. In 10 years, my taxes will double if I if if we keep it the service. Okay. I'm going to have to you can finish your sentence. Okay. My point I think I've made my point. Thank you. Okay. And the numbers, the numbers you're asking for, we can't
I can't give you to right now, but you can call the tax assessor tomorrow and he'll gladly help you with the numbers. Michael Del Rey. He's fantastic. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Hi, uh Michael Kushner, 11005th Avenue. Um first I want to say I understand that
parking is definitely an emotional topic. I don't live on Second Avenue. I think if this church goes down and we build those six uh large units, we're still gonna have a parking issue. We're always going to have a parking issue. The town is a mile and a quarter square.
Density is always going to be an issue. We're dealing I live over on Fifth Avenue on the west side with Poly and we're dealing with the same thing at 1201 Memorial where there's going to be new units coming up and so forth. The irony is that the fact that we're only and and it's a nimi thing, not in my
backyard. I don't live on Second Avenue. I understand. But we only have we have a really small backyard. That's this city. Wherever we build, this is going to be an issue. So, I think that we need to really kind of have some vision here and think 10, 15,
20 years from now when we're looking at Asbury Park and we see what is built. Are these decisions of what the city looks like going to be based on parking? The irony is because it's a mile and a quarter square to the late to the to the to the woman who just spoke about when she went to that church is that it is a
walkable and a mobile city and there are alternatives and even people from coming from out of town have figured that out. So I think we really need to look at this with some vision. We also have a real housing issue in this city. We need
housing. The other thing with the pilot program and I'm not a fan of pilot programs. online developer, but I understand they are a reality of the way business is done and there's a lot of information going out, misinformation, I think different numbers, but we did some research and I will tell you this,
there's three scenarios here that the church goes down and you build these six McMansions people are referring them to. The other is that we go with the developers plan and I think there's a pilot program where a large amount of money goes to the city. Nothing go some
to the county, nothing to schools. There's another scenario where the pilot program is about $330,000 a year. A percentage goes to the city and percentage does go to the schools less to the county. In either scenario of the devel of the of the
preservation, it far exceeds the revenue to the city from building these six large homes. Not even close. And especially when you add in to Paulie's point, the economic impact of having this population there now going to restaurants, businesses, and so forth,
it doesn't even come close. So from a revenue standpoint, preserving this property and building these units is a boom for the city. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Feel like I'm at the Oscars. Three
minutes. I'm gonna make a total left turn on this. I like the plan, by the way. So, thank you. And and the changes to it. Name and address, please. Sure. Jeamev, 1017 Third Avenue. Thank you. Welcome. So, I want to talk about a
deployment of the fire department to 1003rd Avenue to to the unit as deputy mayor probably has witnessed it on numerous occasions. So, I did a few calculations and and I might add I do have experience with this. I've been
commissioner of a fire department and police department and I have these numbers are from FEMA. So at 10003rd Avenue there's we'd say on average and I have a neighbor here uh to witness probably two
deployments a day to uh to that facility. There has never been a fire in 5 years since I've been there in that deployment. So running some numbers. Uh and so there's typically an engine truck, a ladder
truck, a command truck, and an ambulance that's deployed. In total, and I have a breakdown, and I'll hand it to you all after this. So each deployment is $1,385 approximately.
Now, if we add staffing into that, three fire three firefighters per vehicle, the officer that the chief maybe that comes out and two EMTs that come out for the three firefighters per vehicle, that's
$534 per vehicle. For the officer to be deployed, it's 103. For the two EMTs, it's $155. So, the total per deployment is $2,177. So the average daily deployment for two for two day for two
deployments is $4,354. If you total that per year, that's $1.6 million of deployment. This has been going on for 5 years. So even if we cut that in half, that comes out to $800,000 a year.
And I know I've spoken to a couple of the council members on it. What are we doing? It it's and it's not just the housing authority. I know the housing authority that'll say it's cuz somebody's smoking in the union. But from a safety issue, from a
tax issue because we all pay the taxes for that deployment. Additionally, what numbers I haven't put in here because I have negotiated with fire fire unions is they will negotiate based on the amount of deployments. So that's 600 deployments
that will be put in the books as part of their negotiation, not only for salary, but that's also for benefits. So again, I've only been here for five years. I have experience with it and nothing's been done. So I would
hope that this gets a little bit more attention that not only as a annoyance to the neighbors but also a safety issue not only for the firefighters but those that live in the building. We may at some point want to
ask the housing authority is if you want to perhaps stop the behavior have them evacuate the building for every alarm because they're not. Everybody just sits around. Fire department comes out, checks it. At the very least, what we
may want to consider, it would be cheaper to deploy a full-time firefighter in that building at $95,000 a year and say, "No, everything's okay. You don't have to come out. I'll do it. I live across the street. I'll take the
salary for it." Okay. I appreciate it. You're you're correct and we have to look into it. And if you want to give us the numbers, fine. I'm sure we can get them ourselves. You're seeing the numbers.
I'm sure you have them. So, okay. Thank you. And uh something has to be done and I I've asked in past years because we have like, you know, uh ordinance. If I have an alarm system and I have so many false alarms,
I get charged. Right. Right. I I have asked do the schools get charged into the housing authorities get charged and the answer's been no. So maybe that's something but I mean have a representative from the housing authority here tonight. Uh maybe she can
take this back to the administration also and let them know this is a problem. I can do that. Thank you. And you're right. It'd be a lot cheaper just to one full-time fireman just there on a 24-hour shift, which doesn't make sense,
but thank you for bringing this to our attention. Hi, Robert Khan, 6003rd Avenue. I just want to go back to the Holy Spirit redevelopment. I'm a proponent of saving the church. Um, proponent of I I mean,
the developer has brought up some uh he's got a good plan, but There is a concern with parking. Number one, I don't know what the right number is, but one unit, one parking space per unit um is substantially under
uh what the what will be required by the tenants. Second thing I want to talk about is um the taxes and the revenues. We've I've heard a few people mention there's going to be a lot more revenues uh under this proposal. Uh there's also going to be a lot more expenses under
this proposal. There there's a reason why we collect tax revenues and it's because of expenses and there's going to be more kids in schools. There's going to be more services that are going to be required to have 80 units versus six McMansions. I'm not a proponent of
McMansions, but let's let's equal things out. um it's not all free money because there are services and there are expenses that are going to be associated with that and we just need to be honest about that. We can't just say it's all about the revenues. So that's all I want
to say. Thank you. Bob Stevens, 704 Avenue. I'm uh one of the stepchildren directly across from this proposed development. Um I mean it's a great idea, especially those that do not
live in that area. You can take advantage of many of the amenities including recon converting the church into business, entertainment, whatever your plans are. uh that directly affects especially
those that are opposite side of the street. Approximately 30 people live in the same area where you're planning to build and already there are many people that don't have driveways. They're using the streets already. The streets are
difficult to park on. It's not something new and it will not change. If you've got 150 units, I'm not saying that's the number, but I'm just saying if you've got 150 units, everybody has a spot
minimally. People have two, three, four cars. It it varies where all where are all their guests going to park? There's nothing available for that. So, here they are on the street.
If you've got the church converted into retail or entertainment or we already experience a nightclub on the corner at all hours of the night with their base bashing through the walls. We're the
stepchildren. We're right on the front line. No, I don't know however many else individuals here today have to experience that. They can come visit, take advantage of of the wonderful creation, and then go home. We're there.
We experience this on a daily and weekly basis. I'm just telling you, the experience of those that live on on the opposite side of the street currently and what we experience and what will we will experience once it's built. It's
built. That's it. You're going to have traffic issues. Yes, we've all discussed that. Are people not going to have visitors? If you whatever the number is, that's their option. They can have as many visitors as they wish to. Now you have a
a a church building. And as I have stated, it's not a church. It's nice to see the structure. It's an older structure. It's converted into modern modern uh business, modern entertainment, modern retail, whatever
the plan is. you're still going to have a parking issue and it's going to happen. Aside from the fact that we're now going to be facing a six-story building. Does anyone else have to experience that? You have to consider that. We're the stepchildren and we we
got to speak because it's already a difficult situation. I would just as soon have the homes built across the street. At least each would have their own driveway. It'll be minimal. We're going to experience it and once it's built,
that's it. Now, where do we go? Six more houses next block over are sold. Another development, Robert. And we're right on the border of business and R1. Robert, I'm going to have to cut you off. Yes, sir. Thank you, Robert. I know you've showed up to a few
of the meetings and concerned about Hi. Do you really want to do this and I don't want to do this? There's going to be no cross conversations. after the afternoon, right? You can talk to me after no problem. Hi, I'm Irene Bernie, 6:15 Sunset Avenue. Uh, I met my husband
down here and we bought our house in 1993. And just like the gentleman said, in 1993, my taxes were higher than my mortgage. And going forward now, of course, I paid off my mortgage. I'm widowed. But now the taxes have gone up
so high. I probably have to take out an equity loan to keep it up. But that's I I just don't understand how taking down the gorgeous church that we got married in, etc., etc., is going to help anymore
in the city um with the taxes. Also, at least why don't we get a sticker for anybody who still lives here so that they can park free? Why do we have to pay to park at the beach and things like that? Just just little things to make it
up for the residents that stood here when nobody wanted Asbury Park. We've been paying and paying and paying and now it's doing beautifully, but what about the people who are here? You want them to stay, don't you? I mean, I It's starting to look like
Manhattan. I hate to say it. I mean, I'm the New Yorker that never left, but it just it's starting to look like Manhattan with all this. I don't know. But please save the church as best as best as you can. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Thomas Denno, 3600 Route
66 in Neptune. We were here four weeks ago and this failed by 3 to2 vote. The only reason why a developer would want to come back so fast is he certainly got an insurance from one of those. no votes that they're going to vote yes tonight. And what everybody in this room has the
right to know was what was said to that council person who's going to flip their vote that made them flip their vote. What did the developer say to them? What did anybody else say to them? What did the publisher of a local paper uh who claims all the time that he's intervened
and is is is uh uh running the show kind of so to speak. It's called the Madison Marquette Gazette. He calls the tri city news, but trust me on that. Um, what did everybody say to the council that makes this person flip their vote? And let's look at what you're flipping your vote
from and to. And let's use the oldfashioned scales. On the one side of the scale, you've got first of all the pilot, which takes money from the schools and gives it to the developer. That's an acute problem right now
because Asbury Park is facing a $13 million budget deficit in the schools next year. You are looking at possibly losing some of your teachers, a lot of your teachers. You're going to lose sports. You're probably going to lose your football team. You may even lose one of your buildings. This is an acute
problem. Why you would do a pilot that takes money from the schools with that extent problem is beyond me. also on that side of the scale, the rest of the taxpayers. When you tell a developer, you don't have to pay this much for the schools, you transfer that obligation to
the rest of the taxpayers if they want to save those schools. So, it hurts everybody. Then you've got a big one, the quality of life of the neighborhood like Mr. Stevens was talking about. You're like 70 parking spaces short no matter how you cut this. That's going to
be 70 cars looking to park on Second Main. That's not counting Amazon, Door Dash, pizza deliveries. The quality of life there is going to sink. What's on the other side of the scale that's outweighing that? Don't tell me historic
preservation. That ship sailed. The beauty of this church was the inside. They already ripped out the Italian marble altar. It's gone. They're going to rip up more of it. Okay. Don't tell me the outside is worth preserving. preservationists are laughing and
they're threw their teeth at you because that limestone isn't what was beautiful. It was beautifully done. That ship is sailed. So, so you have to look at the scale and say to yourself, with all that on one side and just the developers
limestone on the other side, does it really outweigh it? Are you really going to give your impremature of approval to the planning board and say we're okay with this? You shouldn't do that. You should not send it to them even under the guys that you're going to do a pilot because that's horrible for this town. I
wish you would have saved the church. I wish you had a preservation ordinance before this, but that ship sailed. So consider that side of the scale, all the harm you're going to do to the city. And think of those kids that you're going to be screwing over tonight when you flip
that vote from a no to a yes. Okay, I'm going to have to Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [Music] Any anybody else like to be heard about anything? A motion to close. Thank you for all that disinformation. Second. Appreciate
that. All in favor? Public participation is now closed. Thank you. You got a good Thank you. All right. First of all, I just wanted to no sir.
Thank you. Thank you. If you want to go back to where you were sitting because there's no more questions for you. Thank you. We don't get that chance to reply now. No. Okay. This this isn't Judge Judy.
[Laughter] We are now on to the minutes. I have the executive meeting and regular meeting minutes for the April 9th, 2025 meeting. Do I have a motion? Move it. Second. Council member Bezerson. Council Member Chapman. Yes. Council member Clayton? Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn? Yes. Mayor
Moore? Yes. We're now on to the consent agenda resolutions. All matters list on the consent agenda are presented collectively to the city council and will be considered for approval with one vote. These matters are considered to be routine in nature and there will be no individual discussion of these items. If discussion is desired by one or more
council members as to any particular items, then set items shall be removed from the consent agenda and considered separately. On consent agenda tonight, we have resolutions 2025 186 through 2025 193. Do I have a motion? Move it. Second. Council member Bezerson, yes. Council member Chapman, yes. Council
member Clayton, yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn, yes. Mayor Moore, yes. We're now moving on to individual resolutions. I have resolution 2025 194, resolution approving payment of bills. Move it. Second. Council member Bezerson. Yes. Council Mayor Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor Clayton. Yes. Deputy
Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025195. Resolution approving a person-toperson liquor license transfer of plenary retail license number 1303-33-042-006 from Raspberry Moon Inc. to KB and AD Holdings LLC. Move it. Do I
have a second? Second. Council Bas. Council Chapman. Yes. Council member Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025196, resolution authorizing LP-28 for a loan application from the New Jersey Environmental
Infrastructure Financing Program for the City of Asbury Park wastewater treatment plant Improvements. Sponsor name City of Asbury Park. Loan number S34883-09. Second. Council Berson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore.
Yes. Resolution 2025197, resolution authorizing payment for emergency sewer repairs needed. Move it. Second. Council Mayor Bazarson. Yes. Council Mayor Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025
198 resolution authorizing purchase of wristbands for the beach department. Second. Council Baz Anderson. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton? Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn? Yes. Mayor Moore? No. Resolution 2025199, resolution authorizing the purchase of a transmission for the Beach
Cabota. Move it. Second. Council member Bezerson. Council Mayor Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. No. Resolution 2025 200 resolution authorizing the purchase of three mini beach dumpsters from the for the Department of Public
Works. Move it. Second. Second. Councilor Bezerson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025201, resolution authorizing parts and repairs needed to the beach backhoe loader. Move it. Second. Council Bazar. Yes. Council
Mayor Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025202. Resolution authorizing a fertilizer and weed control program at various locations citywide with control growth for 2025. Move it. Second. Council
Berson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025203, resolution authorizing agreement 2025 fire department apparatus and equipment testing. Move it. Second. Council Baz Anderson. Yes. Council
Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025204, resolution authorizing an annual HVAC preventative maintenance agreement with air system maintenance. Move it. Second. Council Bas. Yes. Council Mayor Chapman. Yes.
Council Mayor Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025205, resolution authorizing the annual renewal of Gallagher software for for city for security system citywide. Move it. Second. Council Bazerson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor
Clayton. Yes. Debbie Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025206 resolution authorizing the annual renewal of SDL software. Move it. Second. Council Berson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore.
Yes. Resolution 2025207. Resolution authorizing the release of the performance bond for 614 Cookman Avenue, block 204, lot 6, and the posting of a maintenance guarantee. Move it. Second. Council Mayor BZ Anderson, yes. Councilor Chapman, yes.
Council Mayor Clayton, yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn, yes. Mayor Moore, yes. Resolution 202528, resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Asbury Park to enter into a third amendment of the subsequent developer agreement with Asbury Partners LLC as master developer
and Somerset Asbury Park Urban Renewal LLC as subsequent developer in connection with the redevelopment of that of that certain real property located at block 4105 lot 1.01 901 1209 Ocean Avenue, 105th Avenue, and 115 4th Avenue in the city of Asbury Park,
formerly block 4105, lots one, two, and a portion of three. Do I have a motion? Move it. Second. Second. Council Mayor Bezerson, yes. Council Mayor Chapman, yes. Council Mayor Clayton, yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn, no. Mayor Moore, yes. Resolution 2025209 resolution of the
mayor and council of the city of Asbury Park, county of Mammoth, New Jersey, authorizing the planning board for the city of Asbury Park to investigate whether an area within the the city should be designated as an area in need of redevelopment regarding block 2703, lot
37175 avenue. Move it. Second. Council member Bezerson. So, I I want to say this first before I give you my vote. First of all, uh to JDL, I wanted to thank you for uh making the
changes and there is some improvement and I feel as though I'm between a rock and a hard plate because I have to be concerned about the quality of life for those who live in that area. I am also concerned about those who um love the
church. Holy Spirit was moved by the woman. She's not here, but she was moved to tears because of the memories uh that she had and experienced there. You have your three votes. Um I still have issues regarding the parking
and uh and I do appreciate the efforts that you have made. Um and I also have to say that I appreciate the calls that I received from many of you and your emails. But I I'm I'm going to stick
with what I believe is in the best interest of those who live in that area. The quality of life, the parking is still an issue for me and uh I have to say no. Council Chapman, thank you. Um yes, I agree to move it to
the planning board. Council member Clayton. Um, I am also changing my vote from my previous vote because I had an opportunity to sit down with the developer, express my concerns, and they
were kind enough to make listen to me and make changes and they changes I think make this a better development than it was in the past. Is it perfect? No, it's not. It's still dense. It's still going to create some parking
problems, but we saved the church. We've made it better than it was. And for those reasons, and not because anything was offered to me or given to me, but because my conscience says that I can
vote yes. So, I am voting yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. So, I'm not changing my vote. I'm still a yes. But I do want to say one thing that I supported the project at 90 units with less parking and a lot more hustle
and bustle in the church the commercial and I can honestly say you know that was wrong. What where Ivonne got it too which was more parking decreased density less hustle and bustle in the church is a better project. Um, so I'm happy to
vote yes again and I'm happy that uh, you know, a member of this council took the time to sit down and I'm happy that you took the time to sit down and make what are changes to the church and in my opinion made it a better project. You wrote Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Mayor Mark.
No. Resolution 2025210, resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Asbury Park referring proposed amendments to the main street redevelopment plan to the city of Asbury Park planning board and directing the planning board to take certain actions pursuant to NJSA 482-7E.
What are we on? I'm sorry. Uh 2025-210. Move it. Okay. Second. call. Okay. Council member Bezerson, yes. Uh, Council Member Chapman, no. Council member Clayton, yes.
Deputy Mayor Quinn, yes. Mayor Moore, yes. Resolution 2025211, resolution of support for the establishing of designated bus stop locations and associated parking regulations along State Route 70 by the
New Jersey Department of Transportation. Move it. Second. Second. Council Bezerson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Resolution 2025212 resolution authorizing hiring of police officers through the alternative
route option established under the civil service act NJSA 11A col 1-1. Do I have a motion? Move it. Second. Council Bazerson. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Clayton. Yes. Deputy Mayor Quinn. Yes. Mayor Moore. Yes. Moving on
to resolutions for second reading and public hearing. I have ordinance 2025-9, ordinance of the city of Asbury Park, amending and supplementing chapter 5 entitled beach boardwalk and beachfront regulations to prohibit motorized vehicles on the boardwalk. Do I have a motion to open the meeting for public comment on ordinance 2025-9? Move to
open. Second. All in favor? I. Public comment on ordinance 2025-9 is now open. Any member of the public who wish to speak, please use the microphone and state your name and address for the record. Your comments may only be about ordinance 2025-9. Kevin, weren't you going to make some
changes? We spoke about it and the changes aren't aren't even built. City vehicles are not going to be concerned. Yeah, but we should be good with that. It's not what the ordinance reads. It says no motorized vehicles and we have
motorized vehicles. What? Yeah. Let me recommend table. Oh, okay. Move to table. Second. Second. All right. Council Person. Yes. Council Chapman. Yes. Council Mayor Clayton. It was table. Deputy Mayor Quinn is away.
Mayor Moore. Yes. To table. Polly. There was a little bit of language in there where we were trying to just like eliminate electric bicycles and everything like that, but it said all motorized vehicles that could knock our commotives out if somebody challenged it. So, okay. I had a question. I have
to call you. Okay. Ordinance 2025-9 has been taped to the next council meeting. If that is all I have is if that is all that I have for tonight. Do I have a motion to adjurnn the meeting? Move to adjourn. All in favor? Thank you everyone. Have a good night. You too.