Okay. Um, welcome everyone. Today is Monday, August 4th, 2025, and this is a regular meeting of the City of Asbury Park Planning Board. Chairwoman Kurszac, can you please call this meeting to order? As this meeting is being held in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act, chapter 231, Public Law, 1975.
Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the coaster and asbury Park Press by publication of the annual meeting notice and posted on the municipal bulletin board and municipal website. All notices are on file with the board secretary. Official action may be taken on the following matters before the board. This meeting is being uh
recorded by APV for your future viewing pleasure. Please join me in salute the flagged flag of America and to the stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. I will now take roll call. Um James Banano here. Councilwoman Clayton here. Jim Henry here. Jeremy Hoffman present. Mayor Moore is absent this evening. Jen Souder here, Daniel Shaneo here,
Bob Zuckermanman here, Kathy Mclaglin here, Vice Chair Gunnan here, and Chairwoman Kurszac here. Uh the uh the resolution for 1201 Memorial is is moved to the next meeting. Okay. Uh all right. We have uh
one application tonight 1st Avenue. Madam Chair, I review the notices there for proceed. Excellent. Good evening, Madam Chair and ladies and gentlemen of the board and uh board professionals. My name is Kevin Kennedy.
I'm an attorney in Redbank and I appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight. I'm here tonight on behalf of my client, Asbury Park First LLC. We are speaking about the property which is located at 101 First Avenue, obviously Asbury Park. It is block 401, lots 10,
11, 12, and 13. Just by way of very brief review, the property has three frontages. It's frontage along 1st Avenue, 2nd Avenue, and Langford Street. Uh the property contains approximately 57,157 square ft. The property is located in
and subject to uh the requirements of the 101 First Avenue redevelopment plan as was recently amended. Uh we are respectfully seeking uh preliminary and final site plan approval tonight for a proposal which complies with the
redevelopment plan requirements. We are not aware of any known exceptions or waiverss. So we we we are very proud of that. Our general proposal is to construct a five-story residential apartment building with 104 apartments. The ground floor will be a parking
garage, bike storage, lobby, and utility room. And floors 2 through 5 will contain the residential apartments. As you will hear, vehicular access will be by First Avenue, and pedestrian access will be from 1 Avenue, 2nd Avenue, and Langford Street. As part of the city's
unique uh redevelopment uh process, we have had uh the benefit uh of meeting with city officials and we had an informal presentation with the city council. We had discussions with the zoning office and we've had discussions with uh city planner uh Beth McManis and
uh in conjunction with those discussions, the redevelopment plan has been amended to address some of the concerns that were expressed or issues that were expressed along the way. and some of and we're going to hear about this but just to um give you a shortcut
some of the uh plan amendments that have been effectuated which have been carried over into our plans uh include uh one uh my clients enhance the aesthetic of over what was originally contemplated and agreed to memorialize I believe actual
plan amendment attaches and references exhibits that uh we are we are speaking with and and keeping uh in line with and the original development plan uh provided for a zero foot setback and that appeared to cause some
consternation for some and and so what we are ultimately providing and what the plan as amended requires is a 24T 6- in setback off off of First Avenue, which in fairness is is better in line with with the neighboring properties. uh a
5-ft set off of uh Lanford and a 15.9 uh setback on Second Avenue. Again, that's in line with with the neighboring properties. We're happy about that for a number of reasons. Number one, it complies with the plan amendment, but we also think and we hope you will agree
that it preserves the view corridor and significantly enhances the public right ofway. And also in accordance with the uh redevelopment plan as amended, we have retained a landscape architect who will here tonight to testify and to design and uh create this and and
beautify this newly created green space along the public right ofway. We also as part of the uh uh the the amended redevelopment plan um basically I think calls for the consolidation of the two garage access points to one access point
and I think that was done to preserve parking and we certainly uh recognize the legitimacy of that. And we also removed uh relocated the garage access uh to First Avenue uh and further away from the lofts uh to address some concerns that were expressed in that
regard. Uh the redevelopment plan also calls for the lobby on the Second Avenue um frontage to uh or to keep it there to create a better excuse me aesthetic uh facing the Second Avenue loft development. Um
as initially proposed, there was some commercial use uh proposed on the first floor that has been eliminated from the proposal. There was a uh a feeling among some that it would just generate more traffic and parking than than was necessary. So that's been eliminated.
And uh the last two things we agreed to enhanced screening and buffer uh and buffering and uh we think that we agreed to all this while maintaining the original parking situation while maintaining sustainable energy, landscaping and and lighting
requirements. So we are quite excited and we will have testimony demonstrating and uh evidencing all those things that I just said. So, I respectfully submit that we have a qualified and competent team tonight. We have Luke Ridowski here. He's an engineer. He's our project
manager. He's not uh anticipated to to testify, but he is a very talented and capable and uh very uh engaging figure and if he uh needs to answer any questions, he is here. And he's also uh spearheaded what I'm going to say is is
a significant amount of community outreach. not required but certainly always a a positive thing. And we also uh in terms of our witnesses, we have Doug Cleland, our engineer. We have Dan Zenedo, our architect, Brian Alif, our landscape architect, and Gary Dean, our
traffic. So, Madam Chair, in conclusion of my introduction, we are excited to be here. We are excited about the project. We are excited to hopefully obtain approval to build a compliant uh project in this wonderful city. And on behalf of my client and uh the team, I thank you
for your time and with your consent, I'd like to call the first witness. Absolutely. Okay. So, Doug, why don't you uh just uh state your name and you'll be sworn. Sure. Good evening, everyone. Doug Cleland, professional engineer,
please. Yes, I do. You've done that once or twice. Yes. the ground and you might stand affirm test. I do. I do. Please state your names for the record
and your affiliation with the board. Donna Miller, board planner, Samakian, board engineer. Thank you. Can I just request that our professionals also use the microphones because they're a little high up. And just to be clear for the public that's here, just so that you understand the
process is that um you will have the ability to ask questions having to do with every witness that comes up. So once uh once the engineer finishes their testimony and we ask all of our questions and whatnot, uh you can then
you will have the ability to come up and ask questions of that witness of whatever they have said, whatever they've testified to. you can ask questions about that. So you will we will ask you and say does anyone from the public have any questions then that's your moment. All right and that
will happen for every every witness. So if you have questions for any witness you can do it at that point. Then at the end of um if we get to that point today or maybe not if we get at the end of um all presentations uh the public will have the ability to
have a 3minut comment on the project itself on whatever your thoughts are. So that'll be 3 minutes at the end of after everything is presented at the end of everything you'll have 3 minutes to discuss I mean to tell us what your thoughts are and then uh we will
deliberate after that. So just so that you know what the process is. Thank you, Madam Chair. Go ahead. Are you still licensed as a professional engineer state? Yes, I am. It is. We can wave. I think I think we can. We appreciate
very good. So Doug, instead of uh first of all, you're familiar with this application, correct? Yes. And you're familiar with the plans which have been submitted? Yes, I am. And instead of uh me going through a direct series of direct questions and answers, why don't you just uh describe this proposal from an
engineering standpoint in terms of site description and building orientation and surrounding uses and and all the wonderful engineering things. Um if you could do that, that would be wonderful. Can can we also assign a number to this because we don't have this. Um it's a new document. It's a new document.
Yes. So we assign a number to it. A1 A1. Okie do. And this is uh just to describe it a neighborhood aerial of the of the the project. Um colorized version of the site plan, the
same site plan that was submitted to you. Um but just to provide some neighborhood context as I uh go through my testimony here. Just for recordeping purposes, is there a date on that? And if not, we'll put today's date. Yes, there is a date.
7:30 2025. Thank you. Okay. So, the project's located at 101 First Avenue here in Asbury Park. It's block 401, lots 10 through13. Uh, it also includes an unmapped, unnamed,
unimproved 10-ft rightway, uh, which is proposed to be vacated as part of the project. Um, including the vacated alley, the proposed lot area is 57,157 square ft or just over 1.3 acres. It is
in the 101st Avenue redevelopment plan. Um the site is currently undeveloped, mostly consisting of grass, uh a small area of trees in the northwest portion of the lot. And as you can see in the exhibit, it really bookends the eastern
limit of block 401 and is bounded by First Avenue to the south. I'll try to highlight some of these as I as I go. 1 Avenue to the south, Lanford Street to the east, and Second Avenue to the
north. Um, existing residential use is to the west. So, across Second Avenue there are existing loft condominiums and uh, across Langford Street and 1 Avenue there is a variety of commercial
and industrial uses. And just to summarize our application here, uh, prior to appearing before you tonight, our team did work with the city's planning and redevelopment office to revisit and amend the 2018 101 First
Avenue redevelopment plan, um, which was approved via ordinance 2025-4 by the mayor and city council at their, uh, February 26th, 2025 meeting. Um, the applicant has also had several meetings with the neighbors to discuss the
project. Um, and we're before you tonight seeking preliminary and final site plan approval to construct a five-story multif family residential building with 104 apartments, including 21 affordable units and 127 off-
streetet parking spaces located within a ground floor parking structure. Um, also on the ground floor is um a lobby, an indoor bicycle parking facility, refues and utility rooms, all located along
avenue frontage. And if I could just back up really quickly, actually, I'll get to that in a second. Um, as far as affordable housing goes, the 20% requirement is satisfied with 21 affordable units proposed. Uh, four are
one-bedroom units, 12 are two-bedroom units, and five are three-bedroom units. And I'm going to switch to a little zoomedin version of the same thing. So, this is uh just a colorized version of our site plan. Uh, the date is also 7:30
2025. We want to mark this as site plan. Yes. A2. A2. Uh just just one moment. I just want to see what date our site plan is. Our site plan is 41425. Yes. So this is just a a we prepared it
after the site plan was submitted. Um it's just a colorized version of what was submitted to you. So you should have uh 414 2025. Okay. So that's the one we're going to be reading. Yes. Okay. Which one? 414 or most recent?
Well, they're the same. We just What was the most recent date? It is July 30th. 525 523 2025 other than the color addition of color.
Correct. It's the same exact plan. Yes. So, the building, the proposed building is L-shaped to match the existing property. Uh, it's approximately 260 ft wide along Langford Street, uh, and 190 ft wide along 1 Avenue down
here. Um, as part of our work with the city, we did obtain um the average front setbacks for the residences immediately to our west and we did show that on the on the neighborhood aerial. Um, the Second Avenue average front setback was
determined to be 15 and we drew a a white line representing that line. And then first avenue average front setback 24.6 and we drew a white line to represent that as well. Can I just ask a question about that? Sure.
Does that send back to the front of the front of the porches or the back of the porches or that was to the building itself, not including the porch? Yes. Thank you. You're welcome. So, we are set back 15.9
ft from Oh, so we're 15.9 ft from Second Avenue, which is slightly greater than the required average. Uh, from Langford Street at its closest point, we're 5 ft. There's a slight jog in the property line uh right at the midpoint where that
rightway is being vacated. And then we're 24.6 six from the first avenue frontage. Uh there are five pedestrian access points from the sidewalk to the building starting at the top of the plan. Uh
there are two on Second Avenue, one to the lobby and stair and elevator, the second to the to the trash room, and then there's also two on Langford Street. uh one leading to the bike storage area as well as the electrical
room. And then down here there is an entrance from the Langford sidewalk to a parking entry and finally another another sidewalk from First Avenue to that same parking entry to get into the garage.
Um, as was mentioned, vehicle access was reduced to a single access point as part of the redevelopment plan amendment, uh, which is now just a single two-way 24t wide driveway off of First Avenue. Um, and to talk a little bit about
parking now, uh, on and importantly the the the available on street parking on First Avenue because that's what's being impacted. Um there's approximately there's a yellow painted curb from this this corner here on 1 Avenue. So
measuring from that yellow painted curb to the nearest existing driveway um the plan left over here, there's approximately 193 linear feet of curb um which can hold and park eight vehicles.
Um by adding one curb cut, it's anticipated that we will lose one on street parking space. Uh the parking is not striped. So uh this was approximated using 22 foot long parallel parking spaces. And that results in two vehicles
being able to park in this area between the yellow painted curb and the proposed driveway. And then five vehicles being able to park from the other limit of our proposed curb cut to that existing um existing driveway.
And then inside the parking garage, we have 127 proposed parking spaces. Um where 125 parking spaces are required. And of that 127 uh 31 are compact measuring 7 1/2 ft by
15 ft and 77 are standard size 9 by 18. um as part of the 127 parking spaces provided, four of them will be offered as rental/car share services and both of those are compliant with uh the
redevelopment plan. Our proposed site plan also complies with the minimum number of EV and make ready EV parking spaces. Uh those are shown here with uh there's a symbol here to to represent all of the EV stalls.
And you know, could I just interrupt for a second? Uh I know this has been a topic of importance for the board before, but are you taking are we taking any credit for the EV that the law would otherwise allow? We are not. So we are fully parked uh without relying on any credit to satisfy
that parking demand from EV. Is someone going to testify about how the parking is going to be assigned? Yes. Can I just ask real quickly how many EV stalls there are? Yes, absolutely. So the minimum required
is 19 and we are providing 20. So at the initial construction six of those are be are required per state statute to be constructed with actual EV chargers on them and the rest it's staggered in uh every 3 years uh there's make ready
spaces and then after 3 years a certain percentage needs to be built and constructed with EV chargers as well. Um, so while it's required that the six EV spaces with chargers are built as part of the initial construction, it is anticipated that the conduit for the
make ready stalls will all be installed as part of the initial construction. And will somebody be discussing uh how these these rental spaces are going to be used that is there going to be a witness for that? Yes, I'll definitely be getting to that. Yep. Okay.
Hey Doug, can I just jump in too? So there was a discrepancy between the architectural and engineering plan. So you just said 20. So you're going to go with 20 cuz the discrepancy was at the first in Langford at that bottom it looked like. So is it going to be 20 or 19?
It's going to be 20. Okay. So is the space going to go where the architectural plan shows or are we going to revise it? Correct. It'll follow the architectural plan. Yes. Thank you. Doug, the two pedestrian entrances at the corner
first to the park, are they redundant or I know you said like two entrances to the corn? This corner here? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was important for us to to provide a connection to the sidewalk. Um they both do lead to the to the same
lobby for the parking entry, but you know, if someone's walking on the sidewalk along Langford, it's an easy access point. or if someone's coming from uh the first avenue, they have an access point as well. Um so we wanted to provide that flexibility.
So speaking about utilities next, um existing utilities, they're available within all three frontages. Um, we're proposing to make our connections for water, sanitary, sewer, and electric, and cable TV within the Second Avenue
right away um near the utility rooms, which are um near the Second Avenue frontage. Electric and water meters will be internal to the building. So, we do have um there's an electric room located here
and a water room located here off the second And then as for gas meters, um it's my understanding that New Jersey Natural Gas won't permit us to put the gas meters inside the building. Um we
will try to work with them to make that happen, but I don't believe they will permit it. So discussing with the team, we we determined that the best location for these gas meters would be um off of this First Avenue frontage where we do
have a um an open picket fence here, which turns into 6t high solid fence once it faces the residences. And we could add a gate here. Um, and then right in this area
here is kind of a a space that currently isn't being used for anything where we could construct a wall to place the gas meters on. It is open air there uh adjacent to the parking stalls and they would be fully screened and hidden from public view.
And where where did you mention that transformer? You're saying the transformer is going to be uh or is there no transformer? Don't believe we will require a transformer. Okay. Um, is there one is there some electrical or mechanical?
There is an electric room here um off of Langford Street. Yeah, on on the existing property. Is there any are there any transformers or mechanical equipment on the property today? No, there's something uh in the rightway
down here. I'm not I'm not positive exactly what it is, but we're not intending. All right. So, that's not in that's in the right way, not on your property. Yes. Yep. What is the guest for cooking? Yeah. Um I'm sure the architect could probably answer better, but cooking
facilities, ovens. Um he is HVAC gas. Yeah, HVAC as well. So the architectural plans have the gas meters on Second Avenue. What you just
said is a much better spot. So those can just be uh updated so they're the same. Okay, understood. Yes. Uh speaking of HVAC, uh they are the air conditioning units are located on the roof. I'm sure the architect will talk about that and
fully screened um from public view. Uh now to talk about storm water a little bit. We uh in the existing condition uh the site generally slopes from west to east away from these residences to the to the west. Um since we are
disturbing one more than one acre of land. I know it's it's rare in the city but we are considered a major development as defined in the city's code. Um so we must therefore satisfy the criteria for storm water runoff um quantity quality and groundwater
recharge. Uh in the proposed condition we are maintaining existing drainage patterns while reducing runoff peak flows for the various 210 and 100year design storm events uh to satisfy the quantity portion of the regulations.
Additionally, we are proposing pvious pavement to satisfy the um quality portion of the regulation as it relates to motor vehicle surface. And since we are in a state planning designated urban redevelopment area, the project is
exempt from meeting the groundwater recharge portion of the regulations. Although we are proposing some infiltration as part of the pvious pavement design and rain garden design. uh rain gardens are proposed along the project frontages to not only satisfy
the requirement of the redevelopment plan but also further reduce storm water runoff and in the proposed condition uh neighboring property will be protected from any adverse runoff conditions uh and runoff is actually reduced to all
adjacent properties of record. Um can you uh I can show can you go ahead? So we do have just to summarize the storm water design here. I'm going to go to the
grading drainage and utility plan. So underneath the garage slab there's uh an extensive detention system proposed. It's shaped funny like this because we were avoiding the building columns. Um so that handles the bulk of the quantity
reduction. And then as you can tell from the site plan, there are a few instances where the parking spaces actually are open air and um protrude from the facade of the building. So there is the
opportunity there for um when it rains for those spaces uh to capture runoff. So all of the spaces that overhang the building all along this western side there's a dot hatch located there and all of those are pvious pavement which
um will treat the water for for quality purposes and then ultimately connect into that larger detention basin underneath the building. And then working around the uh the frontages of the property we have several rain gardens in the green
spaces. There was not an opportunity along Langford because there's a five foot setback there, but along First and Second Avenues, uh we did have the opportunity to put rain gardens in there which um you know provide more of a
benefit for infiltration uh water quality treatment and uh also help us with uh reductions. And Doug, real quick, so those two inlets on the northwest, excuse me, northeast corner, they're those curb pieces, the old curb inlets. I just want to verify that they're going to be
reconstructed. The B inlets. Yeah. So, these um from everything I can tell and visiting the site, um those there was two inlets existing there. They're really old. I It's just like that curb. It's like not even an inlet. It's just like a there's
like a gap in the curb. Um so, they're like a really they've been there a very long time. So, we are going to upgrade those and put two B inlets with curb pieces there. um which will help you know facilitate better drainage um along Second Avenue
and Langford um because those two streets drain to towards those two inlets. Uh and then ultimately there is an existing manhole here in the in the sidewalk on the corner of second in Langford uh which we are going to replace and
ultimately all of our storm water will be connected through that manhole um to the existing uh drainage infrastructure within Second Avenue which is where everything winds up today which is why I mentioned we're maintaining existing
drainage patterns um albeit at a much reduced rate. I Doug could hit it on the hit the nail on the head. He did it. The only thing I'd recommend, Doug, is maybe like if you could look into moving the manhole out of the landing in the curb ramp just because it could be a I mean just you don't have just look into it because it could be a pain to get that
to be your 2%. Yes, happy to do that. Absolutely. Um will someone be discussing who's going to maintain the rain gardens? So there is going to be uh a property manager for the property. Um
and that could be part of their responsibility. Um I would ask that it it has to be rain gardens need to be maintained. They cannot just survive. They have to be maintained. And we are going to um we did create an operations and maintenance manual for
all storm water. Um that'll be filed with the deed for the property. Um so that'll outline what they need to do as part of that maintenance and uh absolutely we can agree to that. And which waterershed did this go to? Deal lake. This goes to Deal Lake. Um I have a
question about the rain garden that is closest to low to um Langford. Um is there uh would there be any benefit and I'm asking our professional as well, would there be any benefit of making that a larger rain garden and removing
that one walkway since it's duplicative? Duplicative. You could. Sure. Yeah, you could remove. So you're saying coming off. that be a benefit for this development? You'd be able to gain a little bit of capacity like that Doug mentioned. They're already compliant uh with all all storm water quantity.
Um but you certainly could. It'll add a little bit more space and vegetation. Would the would the uh applicant be uh amanable to that or would is the walkway something that uh has been requested by
someone because there are two of them right there. Yes. Um that could be I believe there uh because any way that we can capture more water is a good thing and this seems to not be that complicated. But hey, I'm
not a professional. I think it might impact the the public art that was proposed there. But if the the architecture show and I just I'm not I don't touch on public art too much, but the architecture shows the public art to be the screening of the uh like the vent louvers of the garage.
Okay. I mean, if that's if that's something that you think that that might be uh an issue because of the public art, we let's wait till we get to there. But my request is that the more water we can capture, the better it is for the city, for all of us.
Okay. So if that's if nobody if people are immunable to removing that walkway or reconfiguring that walkway somehow to get the rain garden to be larger that would be fab fabulous. Okay, understood. And um
cuz we kind of touched on it also about the the walkway that's up by the trash room. What's the intention there for that walkway up on the uh on the Second Avenue side? What's is that where we feel that the garbage cans are going to go?
So at the time of So we are going to be using uh that refu was actually the next item for me to talk. Okay. It's good timing. I can wait. No, it was No, it's good timing. So, uh we are proposing refu and recycling to be handled by a private carter. Um, so
it'll be kept within the trash room uh except for at the time of pickup where we'll be wheeled out uh to the curb for for immediate pickup. So they are going to utilize that walkway to achieve that. Um so I think I think we're going to
need that walkway. Um I think that will be best to keep. Um it will be to start we're we're proposing to remove refues from the property uh twice per week and recycling once per week but it will be monitored by uh the property manager and
if needed the frequency of pickup can be increased. And now for the private pickup that is private pickup. Yes. As for uh the lighting design, uh I can
pull up the lighting plan here. So, it's a pretty straightforward lighting design. Um, it consists of wall-mounted LED lights, uh, which are labeled as fixture letter A, um, for the driveway and walkways,
and then there's also lighting inside the parking garage, which is labeled as fixture B. Um, all proposed lights are fully shear shielded, uh, dark sky friendly lights. There was a comment in uh both the
professionals reports um about the 3000K lights inside the garage uh which technically does not uh comply with the ordinance requirement of 2700. Uh we would prefer to keep the 3000K
lights inside the garage only because um it's more of a a building code issue. Uh, I don't know that 2700 Kelvin would satisfy building code criteria. Not an expert in building code criteria, but um I feel as though it would be easier
achieved with 3000K lights. But all of the exterior lights, which will be seen, um, are 2700K and they are LED and fully cut off and fully shielded. If that's something that the applicant wants to go with the 3000, that's an exception. Um
because I haven't heard this before. I haven't heard this. I I haven't heard it before. I mean, if you guys have They definitely make the 2700s. Uh we've seen it in the past. I mean, is your is your concern like the amount of lighting per code? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean I know uh you know, local
ordinances have well- definfined requirements for zoning purposes. Um I'm just not intimately familiar with the building code requirements for lighting inside a garage. So I wanted to make sure that that can be achieved. Um but if we feel as though and you guys have
seen it in the past and and seen it built then I don't think we we would be opposed to using 2700K. So we have we have seen it in the past almost all the applications have been able I mean unless you want to go for a variance. Is it is it Donna and Sam? Is it a
variance but inside you can only have 2700? It it is part of the ordinance. It is part of the ordinance. Yeah. And we So, we'll agree to the 2700K inside the garage as well. Okay. Um and we did take a look at that
walkway uh to the parking entry and we'll be able to increase that rain garden size um as was suggested by uh the chair. Um I know that I can't read it. I don't
know if anybody else can, but I' i'd like to know what what are the numbers on the border so that is there any spillage is there so the neighbors aren't impacted? Yep. Yep. I'll definitely touch on that. Um I was just going to get to that. So we're Okay, go ahead.
Um we're not proposing any spillage um onto adjoining property. I know the numbers are small here, but um I'll run you I'll run you down the line here. So you see a lot of 0.0. This is our property line. Um so prior to the light reaching the property line
all the way along that western side uh it does get to zero before getting to the property line. Um so we're not proposing any spillage along any property lines uh to for our neighbors. Um and as was a comment in the professionals reports, we will ensure
that our lighting design does take into account any light levels from above. Although um any rooftop mounted lights will be designed as to not have any impact on the ground level. Um in here you could actually see we actually uh
modeled the existing uh cobraheads out at the street as well to give a full picture um of the lighting for for you and the board professionals to review. Um and we're absolutely happy to work with the board planner and engineer to make
sure that um the lights inside the garage uh there was a comment regarding we do have some openings in the garage. So we want to make sure that um there's no it that the light source is not visible if you're a pedestrian on the sidewalk.
And I think there's been some other projects in Asbury that may have had an issue with this. So, we would we want to avoid that as well. Um, and so if you're walking on a sidewalk, um, we'll make sure to mount the lights high enough in the ceiling, um, to prevent sort of the
light source being a being visible from the sidewalk as you're walking along. So, where So, where can where can the public actually see the lights in the garage? where on this so that I
can see the numbers. So you can zoom in on the numbers so I can see them. Sure. So I guess it it's really um we might need the architect. Yeah, I'll pull up the architect. Whatever this whichever one tells us is fine. We whatever tells us what kind of spillage
there is. Yep. Yep. So the the numbers you're looking at on this plan represent the lighting levels on the ground. So, it doesn't really give you an indication of the source of the light when you're looking at the light that you don't want to see and be blinded by um the light
source itself. So, um if I pull up the architectural plans quickly and go to the elevation views. So for example, this is the Langford Avenue elevation
and there are requirements within the redevelopment plan um for screening in the garage which we do comply with. So these are if you look here these are the the few locations where um there is a
screen on on the opening but they are vented. Um, so inside is the parking garage lighting and ultimately we want to make sure that our lights are mounted high enough in the ceiling that when you're walking on
the sidewalk, uh, you wouldn't see the source of the light inside the garage. Obviously, the garage will appear to be illuminated, but um, we want to try to hide the actual source of the light when looking in uh, from the street.
Before we go on from the lighting, obviously there's the lights that are going to be installed in the building. Um, but the cars will be driving around the parking garage as well. And one thing that I concerns me in these developments is headlights shining out out the back of the building because there is no back of
the building. Can you just tell us about how that's going to impact the neighboring properties? What sort of um screening or fencing is? Yes, absolutely. And that's a good point that you raise. Um, so we do have We should probably mark this too. This
this includes the landscaping that we're proposing. Um it's titled the landscape layout. Also has a date of 7:30 2025. And again, this is the plants that are shown here and proposed are the same exact ones that were uh submitted in the
site plan. Mark this three. Yes. 83. And uh Doug, just for the record, who's this prepared by? This was prepared by uh our office, but also Brian left our uh our land.
Thank you. So, starting on the uh First Avenue, uh there is a fence that starts with starts from the corner of the building um along this stretch here. I know it's kind of hard to see, but I'm highlighting it with the hand. This is
an open style fence. And as soon as it makes this corner, it's six foot tall. As soon as it makes this this turn here, um it's a solid 6t high fence all the way along this western property line
and it it follows meanders along the property line um until it reaches the uh facade on Second Avenue where it makes a 90° turn and opens back up again. So that's an open style fence here. But all along
this um western property line is a solid fence and we're also proposing as you can see along that entire western facade um a good amount of evergreen and four seasons landscaping. So I do not anticipate that any headlight glare will
impact u any of the neighbors to the west um at all. Um, moving on to signage. We're not proposing any signs for the building except for the building address, uh, which we will agree to make that comply
with the ordinance. Um and then in terms of proposed variances and design waiverss, we're not proposing any as it as it relates to um the redevelopment plan um and to zoning. Um
in terms of outside agency approvals, we will need uh treatment works approval from the NJD. Uh we are not located in a caffer planning area and we're not located in a flood hazard area. Um, we will require approval from the soil
conservation district. Um, and we do have an approval in hand already from the Mammoth County Planning Board. Even though we don't front on a county road, um, we are near some of the county drainage facilities. So, they wanted they they reviewed our our application
and storm water management design and uh actually had no comments on it and approved it. So, that was um that was good. Are there any remediation issues? Not that I'm aware of. No. And if I could uh I have the Leon
Sevakian review letter that I will go through just to address um each comment. I actually don't I don't No, no, no. Only the witness can testify and the attorney.
Sorry. So, has the Then a environmental investigation. Excuse me. When your client purchased the property, they conduct a phase one. Yes. Should we have you want to address now? You if your client talks to you and you make the recommenation, that's fine.
The answer is yes. Yes, there was a phase one completed. My apologies. And and so there and did it uncover issues that require remediation? Hold on. If you're going to talk all right.
Yeah. So as as part of the phase one report uh there was some soils that need to be exported and that was the only condition to remove any um environmental concerns. Okay. Um,
is that part of the application that something just before you run, can we touch on the the four spaces or was that going to someone else? The rental spaces. Ah, sorry. Yes. Um, let me pull that up here. So, we were shown on the site plan. Um,
there are four spaces that are uh 9 by8 stalls. um centralized in the property here um labeled here accordingly. Uh there'll be signage there and they were you know
part of the overall uh parking count uh for the project but that's the that's the location for them. And just to uh make the board aware, the reason why I'm bringing up so it's part of the 101 First Avenue redevelopment plan uh which states a reservation of 5% of the total
units which is four spaces or four spaces. So they're proposing four spaces and I believe it's for zip car and Doug and I have had conversations prior to this but it's for a zip car. Is that right Doug? Yes. Or something rental zip car. Uh basically if if a if someone living in
one of the residences doesn't have a vehicle but you know if some circumstances arises where they might want to rent the vehicle for a couple weeks this would give them the opportunity to have a parking space. Yep. And and they are compliant on the amount of spaces. So I'm not trying to
say that. I just don't know how uh this is my opinion how realistic it is for those spaces. So if the board was favorable they could go the other way. No. Am I wrong? Is there some arrangement already with Zipar compliant for for um for Zip Cars to live there spaces?
So my understanding um is that it was added as as part of the redevelopment plan several years ago. I I I think it started to gain popularity many years ago. I don't know that it um you know really has taken off much and that correct a lot of people may not
actually be using them. Um but being that it is in the redevelopment plan and we wanted to comply with it uh we did add that add those parking spaces um and we'll certainly add them and and see if there's you know a market for it if
there's a need for it um and we have that that availability provided when somebody's going to talk about again how the how the parking spaces are managed. Yes. Yes. The ask them about that. Sure. And then they'll talk about how
these rentals will be managed. Yes, correct. Will they also speak to the number of compact spaces and the choice for why that was chosen? Yes. So the compact spaces, they're uh
they're 7 1/2 by 15. Um the ordinance permits um a maximum of uh I have that here in the chart. So there's uh 25% of the parking spaces are permitted to be compact. Um so at
127 spaces that's 31.75 spaces and we are proposing 31 compact spaces. So you comply. Is that what you're saying? You We comply. Yes. Yeah. And as the as the parking spaces are um
rented, they are going to be part of the rent for um the units. Um and obviously if someone has a compact vehicle and can can utilize those spaces, uh they would they have the opportunity to use the
compact spaces. Um and we have 77 uh 9 by8 as well. Wait, I'm sorry. You said you have 127 parking spaces. 127 parking spaces. Yes. 31 are compact. Correct.
Yes. So the the there's 127 total. Um 31 are compact and let's see here. The compact don't include the rental,
right? So that's a separate Yeah, they're they're separate. Um, so there's 35 from 127. And then there's EVs. And then there's EVs, right? All the EVs are full size.
So I think I think my number of 77 was wrong, but it's a 96. So there's 96 regular size spaces. um 31 compact and the four rental
uh zip car. Those are included in the 127 and so are the EV as well. And the EVs are all the full size. The EVs are all full size. Yes. and and when you're open like only a
certain percent of the Ess will be operational like you're required to have um six of them will be required as part of the initial construction to actually have the charger installed and the remaining will be make ready.
It'll it'll be a little bit of a puzzle in the beginning for management to to juggle probably. Well, users and their car is you know you have 104 units and everyone assuming everyone has a car that there are 104
spaces who has who doesn't have a compact size who doesn't have an EV which is why again it's a management company and they're going to probably juggle who has which spaces which days what times. I have an an EV. I don't charge every day. and they don't need to
be charged every day. While we're talking about parking, um, is there any sort of alert system at the garage door? That was a suggestion in the professionals letters and we are happy to provide that. Yes. Auditory, visual.
It'll be both visual and um auditory um at the 25 24T wide two-way driveway. Yes. And uh how will how will people are people getting in with a fob? Are they getting in? Are they does the door just
open or or is that part of parking management? So, our our plan was to uh everyone to one one space would be included in the rent um and to get a a hang tag for the vehicle as part of that. So, you'll have the parking will
be open. There's not assigned spaces. Um and it'll be managed by uh the property manager who will enforce that every vehicle in there has a valid um uh parking permit. Um, at the moment,
no, we aren't proposing uh a gated access. Um, but it will be managed by the property manager to make sure that no one's parking in there. So, they're not really managed. They're just managed. Access is the only that's managed. The spaces aren't managed. Correct. They're not assigned. Yes.
There's not much management. You said that gate there's a garage door. Yes. No. No. There's no garage door. It's just open. Yeah. I But then then what's the signal?
So it's it's based on motion. It's a motion activated sensor for the Yeah. The car rolls up. So if a vehicle car rolls up, it'll warn to leave. Yes. There'll be a warning. That is correct. Yes. So
is there no Is all right. So then you're in your car. You've pulled in. You get out of your car. How do you get into the How do you get into the building? What do you do? So, there are
on the corner of Langford and first there's a stair stair and elevator. Is it secured here? Um, please say yes. Yeah. Again, maybe the architect.
All right. Let's hope the architect says that talk about the property management. We'll talk more about that. Yeah. Yeah. There will be this property manager is going to be very busy with rain gardens and parking. Yeah. I'm just saying. Yeah. That gate. Yeah. That gate's not gate decision. I'm not crazy about that gate decision,
but but we haven't talked about the parking has not management has not been discussed yet. So, let's move on. Doug, can I ask you about the uh corner of First Langford? Sorry, Second Langford. Yes, the you're proposing this, you know, rounded pedestrian ramp into the street.
Probably because there two of them, the two crosswalks come close to so close together that it's hard to get two ramps in there. But we typically don't do any round uh ramps like that in the city. We try to do single ramps with domes facing straight into the crosswalk. So, if you could change that to two ramps, um you
can take a look at Asbury Avenue and Bond or Asbury and and Emory. We just did the same kind of situation over there. Um, it worked out pretty well with the OT. I think it work there. I think it'll work here, too. Thank you, James. Okay. Um, yeah, we did do that on the corner of Langford and yes,
first I think we were, you know, working with the current crosswalks that are there. Um, it may require a bit of an angled crosswalk. If you look at Asbury, I think you'll
see that you won't really have to move the crosswalks. Asbury and what? Aspbury and bond or Haspberry and Emory. Okay. Can I ask one more one? Um, that may not be his that's on his
decision. I'm having it on my list. The same question. Yeah, the guys in the chairs are are chopping it a bit more. I mean, it would seem like at night there would be more spillage, right?
Among other things. Okay. What's next? All right. Uh I'll run through the uh engineers memo just to I could I could help you out. Doug's touched every portion of the through his testimony. He has touched every portion in our letter so far. Um I think he's
done a the insight has done a good job designing engineering wise for this project. So if there's any questions you can I think I think he's used to us. Right. I agree. All right. So, you're satisfied?
Yes. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. I think the only thing I have for for um engineering is um streetscape improvements. We had asked for um maybe some bike racks and benches and things and we're happy to provide those. Absolutely. Yes.
I have one question. Part of this uh application is the subdivision or consolidation of of lots. That's part of what we're doing. Consolidate. Yeah. Okay. Correct. So, that alleyway, is that a public alleyway? Is that privately owned? We say it's being vacated.
Yeah, it's a it's a 10-ft rightway. I'll I'll pull up our survey that was submitted here. Um, so the city has to vacate it. Yes. Correct. So that's something that that if we approve the consolidation of lots that still has to be approved by the mayor and council. I feel like we don't have to. Okay. Yeah. So they would just have to provide
a meets and balance of the vacation uh or the same on both sides. They're going to get both hands. Okay. Got it. I just wanted to make sure we weren't approving something we didn't have the power to approve. Um is the um is part of the uh
engineering testimony have anything to do with the uh the removal of trees or is that someone else? Uh I can touch on that. So there are um go to site plan.
So this is our existing conditions site preparation plan um which shows the set of package. It is. Yeah, it is. Sheet number C200 should be the second sheet of the site
plan. So, just to touch up, it's it's a largely vacant lot. Uh but just going around through each frontage, there are a number of uh street trees along First Avenue that are existing. Um, no street
trees along Langford and no street trees along Second Avenue. There are a couple small four and 6 in tree uh along Langford and a 12-in tree along Langford which is supposed to be removed. And
then the remainder of the existing trees are along the western property line. Um, and there's it's kind of it looks like kind of overgrowth at this point. There's um a
mix of trees along this western property line that um all of those inside the property line are proposed to be removed. And can you just just talk about something the there was like a tree that looked like it was on the property line. What happens there to the neighbor on
the a little bit further down closer to first? It looked like there was one on the property line. What happens there? This one here cuz cuz that that's right on the neighbor's property line. Correct. Or is that
It looks like it is. It it it's hard to tell visually on the plan, but um when we visited the site, we marked the trees that were um the trunk was on our property, right? Um so I do believe that one is on our
property line. I mean on our property on our side of the property line. So tell me what happens and this might be from our professionals or if anybody else knows like let's say you take out that tree which is proposed and for some reason you impact the the uh neighbor's fence.
What happens? What happens to the neighbor? That whole fence they would have to be replaced but that whole fence line is being replaced. But the neighbor has a fence already. Passed by it today. Neighbor already has a fence. What happens to that fence? Are are you not doing anything to that
fence? If if the fence line is damaged as a result of our construction, we will agree to to remedy that situation. That's only fair. Okay. Cuz cuz you're building a fence ne next to it anyway, correct? Yes.
You're building one anyway. I just want to make sure that none of the residences are impacted by this. Okay. It's probably prudent for the applicant to have a pre-construction meeting. Yeah. And walk the fence line with the joiners and
make sure they identify any areas of concern. Mhm. And we we have no problem with that. Okay. Did you say there were no street trees on on first? There are street trees on first. That's the only And they're remaining. They're not being touched. They're proposed to remain. Yes. Okay.
And there's two align. They're not really street trees. the the one on first the ones on First Avenue are true street trees. There's a couple um smaller trees that are on Lanford. One's a 12-in tree that is going to be
removed and the other's a grouping a 4 in and a 6 in small tree. Both of them are on our side of the sidewalk. So, they're not true street trees. And we are proposing as our landscape architect will talk about um new street
trees along both frontages. All three frontages really. Okay. Yes. Well, oh you said no. So you're not moving on first. No, we are not. You just said I think there might be one. I might be
wrong. Hang on. Let's pull up. No. So, First Avenue, the street trees are going to remain and then the proposed street trees are along Langford Street. You can see with the bigger green circles there. Uh, and Second Avenue and Langford have the new street.
Did one of your reports say that the existing street trees were not so great plans? So most of First Avenues are not sorry
most of the ones on First Avenue are not terrible. Um uh I mean they're terribly pruned, but they, you know, they're they don't have
obvious terrible rot and damage like they look a lot the classic they're not terrible ones. Um, you know, as construction goes, we may see them go bad and then, you know, they
may have to do replacement. And the ex So, the existing trees that that are on First Avenue are not in the driveway area. Is that true? No. Right. They are not. Protection anyway, right? Even if it's you're saying Oh, there should be protection.
Protection. You said construction might go bad but they should be protected during construction. Yeah, there will be tree protection provided. Doug, do you have any more to add? No, I think that then in conclusion, but before I uh defer to the chair and board or public
questions, just with the exception of the lighting intensification that we talked about, the 2700 versus 30,000 which we've agreed uh to comply, are you aware of any design exceptions or waiverss that that we need or are you thinking we're we're complying?
No, we're fully compliant. Thank you, Madam Chair. I have no further questions for the witness at this time and I certainly defer to you and the board. Any does do does anyone on the board have any further questions of this witness? Yes. Excuse me. Yes, I do.
Uh I'm looking at the survey and I'm looking at the existing fence line. Mhm. And if I recall our fence ordinance, we need a one foot set back from the property line. Is that correct on it?
No, it's not. only on the um on the right of way, not interior lot lines. Okay. Um it it seems to me, especially if you
look at the uh on the western uh boundary line and coming from the south, the existing fence line meanders all over the place. Uh, is there any way that the fence
could be installed? So, there's no um no uh no gore between the the two fences. Mhm. If you end up with uh a fence and you have a foot and a half
or so between your fence and their fence, it's going to be uh an area that is going to collect trash. You won't be able to get in there to cut lawn or anything. Uh
I I'd like to see uh something where the fences are contiguous uh so that you don't have that type of problem. Yeah, I I agree and I think the ideal solution would be to work with the neighbor to replace
that fence so that there is only one fence on the property line. Uh there are and it's clear here on the survey that there's a number of areas where their f their fence encroaches onto our property. So we'll have to work with them. Um obviously I think that like I
said the ideal solution would be to have one fence there and make sure that it fully secures their lot as well as our lot and that one fence along the common property line would be the ideal solution. Well, if you can accommodate
that, that would be, I think, a a big plus on this. Sure. And and that's a very valid concern. And may I respectfully suggest that, as Donna indicated, we're going to, if we're fortunate enough to have approval, one of the conditions would be a pre-construction meeting and also a
premeating with the the neighbors to walk the fence line. And that would certainly be uh topic number one. Anybody any other board members have any other questions? Yeah. So, you had already agreed to um visual and auditory warnings for the parking. What when we
say a visual warning, are we talking about the flashing light? Are we talking about changing the pavement on the sidewalk? What What did you have? It's a It's a small sign that the one that I've seen most commonly. Um it's a small sign that's mounted to the face of the building on either side of the
entrance that says car coming. Um and it lights up. It lights. It blinks. Okay. It's not a super bright light. Just the the letters light up and then it also has an audio alarm that that indicates a car is coming. Understood. Any other questions from any board
member of this witness? Any questions from our professionals? No. Any questions from the public? And if there are, please go to the mic. I just want to remind you that you can ask questions about anything that's been
testified to. Okay. Hello. Can I ask identify yourself and give us your address? Okay. Claire Higgins and I live at 101 Second Avenue in the lofts right across the street. Um, what? Okay. Um, first question, can you
reexlain how the garbage is being picked up? Sure. So, there is uh on the Second Avenue side um there's a refuge room where it'll be collected internally. There'll be a compactor in there. Um, and then
pickup will be by a private carting service and at the time of pickup, uh, so you won't see garbage bins, you know, out on the street. What you'll have is everything internal to the building except for at the time of pickup where
they'll be wheeled out to the street for pickup. Um, and it'll happen, you know, within a matter of of minutes really. Okay. And what about the cars that are going to be parked in front of the building? Like where will the garbage truck have the space?
So, they'll have to pause there um for the pickup if if there's not an available parking space open. They'll have to pause within, you know, as as far right in the lane there that they can um so that the pickup can happen at the street
likely. And what if there's damage to a car? from the garbage pickup if there's going to be like garbage cans and people throwing things in the garbage truck. Yeah, I mean that would probably be reported to the police um and you know
part of the the the property manager's obligation um as their duties as the the property manager. Okay. Um All right. Second question. Is there going to be any yellow painted curb on either side of the driveway
or can cars park like directly right up to the edge of it? So, we're not proposing any yellow painted curb. There is some uh adjacent to the intersection here. Um but starting at the two uh curb apron flares, the the cars would be able to
park um starting there. And it's not currently striped. So, um they would they would start their you know I gave the distances earlier um from this the edge of this curb cut to this existing curve cut and then from
from this curb cut to the yellow painted on First Avenue. Um there's room for two vehicles here and five within this area. Okay. So, no like buffer space for checking the traffic. Correct.
Okay. Um, excuse me. Is there any required side triangle when somebody's pulling out the driver line? Are they flared or is it a rectangular? There's a twoft flare on each side. Yes. And we do show the sight triangle as well here on the plan in so then the motorists can look in either
direction and see traffic. Correct. And they've got they've got clear line of sight. Um, yes. Okay. Okay. And last question, I won't stay up here too long. How many parking spots are there minus EV now and future and
these ride share spots? Like how many spots are there for everyday use? So there's 127 the the EV um as I mentioned there's only six that
are going to be installed with chargers. Um and four of the parking spaces will be for the rental um zip car service. Um but those are those are contained within
that that 127 parking space number. So like 117 parking spots are available for every day. Like if I don't have an EV or I'm not in a zip car because I can't park my car in an EV spot if I'm not in EV. Correct. or a ride share
spot. Well, they would the EV would be if you had an electric vehicle um as part of, you know, obviously you would get an EV parking space, but there's only six that are going to be installed with chargers initially. So, the rest are considered
make ready where the conduit's there, the equipment's there for it to be a future EV stall, but it's not a full EV charging station. So, someone with a non-EV car can park there. Correct. Yes. in any six of those spots in the make ready. Um, as far as EV
goes, I mean, I think that'll be something that the the building management will have to to manage. Um, depending on the market and who has an EV and who doesn't. Uh, obviously, they want to provide the availability for people with electric vehicles to have that charging. But at the end of the
day, it is still a parking space. Um, and if you know they it was needed, it could be used as a parking space if there was no need. And and I also believe that there's going to be further testimony about parking. Oh. By someone else, too. So that's okay. But there's still we we have questions
as well. So that will come that will also come a little bit later. All right. Thank you. Hello. Hi. Good evening. My name is Mary Kenyon. My husband Lewis Rosen and I have the house that's uh the property that's lot nine. So we're right
adjacent. The address is 1014 Second Avenue. So um I know that there's going to be further parking discussion, but I I'm trying to figure out where all those outdoor parking spots are going to exit from. So right behind them, I'll zoom in a
little bit here so you can see it better. Um this is your property here, lot nine, right? All of these parking spaces have direct access behind them to this 23 foot wide drive aisle. So, they will back out um and utilize the 23 foot wide
drive aisle. Um the only place any cars will be entering or exiting the property is right here on First Avenue. Okay. So, people are going to be pulling in on First, driving all the way through the interior, correct? And pulling into those lots. Okay.
Yes. Um, we are delighted to hear that you'd like to meet with us because we haven't had any outreach at all about this project up until the letter that we got about this meeting. So, we're very very happy and can certainly give you our contact information. I'm sorry. I can't hear you, ma'am.
It's all right. Yeah, this is question time. You're you're making Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. You're making a mistake. Sorry. I didn't mean to make a statement. It's okay. You're you're not a lawyer. I don't think so. If you were a lawyer, I'd say, "Why aren't you testifying instead of asking questions?"
Yeah. I'm not a lawyer. Okay. Do you have Do you have any other questions? Not at this time. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Then, uh, next witness. Next witness, uh, Dan Zenedo. He is our architect.
Tell us a song. Okay. Let's go. Please raise your right hand. I do. Please state your name for the record and spell your surname. Daniel Zanetto. Z A N E T O.
And you are a licensed architect from the state of New Jersey? Yes. Has your license status changed since the beginning of July? last year. Yes, you're good to go. Thank you. Uh Dan, uh just real quickly,
you're familiar with this application, correct? Correct. And you're familiar with the plans which have been submitted. Your office prepared the architectural plans, correct? Yes. All right. Why don't you uh just like I did uh uh with our engineer, why don't you just give a general architectural uh
description hitting what the plan is about and architectural design details, materials, views. I know the board is concerned about what people are going to see, what the neighbors are going to see, what all elevations are going to look like. So, uh you've been here before, so um your architectural plans
is A4. These are the plans that were submitted. So, we need to mark that. Okay. What what is the date on? Let's see. This isn't what it does for, is it? No.
Okay. So, then we need to mark uh the date is 52725. Can you tell how many pages? There are 10 pages. Thank you. Okay. By you or your supervision? Yes. Okay.
Okay. So, um we've given some testimony already about the project overall. Just to summarize, there are 104 units including 20% affordable units. That's 21 affordable units. The breakdown of
the unit types are as follows. There are 12 studio apartments, 19 one-bedrooms, 16 one-bedroom with den, 36 twobedrooms. And the affordable units break down as
four one-bedroom, 12 two-bedroom, and five threebedrooms. The building itself is five stories. There are four residential floors over a ground floor parking level. The height
of the building is 54 ft plus a 5-ft elevator overrun. It is a uh podium type construction with a non-combustible ground floor and a uh a stick framed residential floors above that. Um the
building will be fully sprinklered and the massing of the building as already uh testified has been coordinated with the setbacks of the adjacent properties. Um that's one of the changes that were made in the
redevelopment plan over the past year or so. Um I'd like to just quickly go through the floor plans. Um to start I'll start with the ground floor. So, we we've talked a lot about this
floor already. Um, the parking level will have 127 parking spaces. Um, in addition to the main parking field, we have a lobby off of Second Avenue. Um, that accesses a stair and an elevator
and a mail room space, so mailboxes and shelves for packages. Uh directly off of that lobby, there will be a bike room that will have space for 56 yes 56 bicycles and vertical racks.
And uh there's also miscellaneous utility spaces, electrical room along Langford, um a water room along Second Avenue, the trash room that we've talked about already. And then uh additionally inside the parking field there's a second uh means of egress with the the
stair and the elevator and a additional parking entry on the corner of Langford and First Avenue. Dan, could you go to the Western frontage? So So the those uh So there's no building wall, right? Those are those
are columns. These are columns. This is uh this is open as you see the parking extends beyond the footprint of the building in this area. So that's where you see the darker gray shading is the area under the building. So that's Yeah. So then I was looking at
a A8 cuz which was the western elevation. So that gray portion that's open, right? That's not a building if you go to A8, right? So like behind the fence, right? That's what you're showing the western elevation picture on the
right. So that's the fence right there, right? You're seeing the fence and then you're seeing that's open into the garage. That's right. That's open space. So where the brown brick, that's the bottom of the building, right? And the gray space below it is open. The gray space below is open.
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh if there's no and that you know that will come into what you know there was talk before about the light seeing the source of light. Right. So I assume the interior of the ceiling inside the
garage is higher than that low lower course of that brown brick there. Right. Correct. It is. Um, and we're happy to work with the the planner to to come up with a detail to to better shield the lighting. We'll work to to get those
lights placed as high up as possible on the ceiling. And then if uh if it makes sense to to build some sort of a balance for that wall to drop that the top edge of that to better shield the lighting. Thank you. That fence is what 6t high
sixt solid fence in the back. Okay. All right. So, moving up through the building. I'm sorry. As long as we're on that topic, Dan. Yeah. Um, roughly, what is the height? The height of the ceiling? The garage. The garage. So, the the bottom of the
slab will be at about 11 ft. And the the opening I believe is at 9 ft. So, you do already have a twoft differential. Um, but we can look at that to drop it even further if needed. Yeah. So, so there is that sliver. So, that's what we're trying to capture.
Yeah. And before you move up, can you tell us about the secondary elevator and stair on uh on the ground level and how that's protected, secured, right? So all all of the entry into the
actual building um building spaces would be um controlled with a card access or a key fob access. So that would include you know the doors on the the exterior doors into the parking garage um and the
lobby, the bike room, all these spaces would would be accessed with card access. Same with the the elevator and the the stair lobby here. But somebody could just walk in from someone could we, you know, hiding in the garage. We were we were trying to keep the option open to have a door or not on the
the garage. You know, if it's something that the board feels strongly, then, you know, we could include a door on the on the garage and have the card access into the for the vehicles as well. I I am one person, but I have I
I would like a garage door because anyone can walk in and anyone can be parking there and anyone can jump out at anyone at any time. So, let's let's keep it secure. All right, we we'll agree to to add a door there that will be uh controlled
with either a card access or a key fob, please. Thank you. Like that. Okay, moving uh through the building and the the residential floors are fairly typical. There is a bit of a stepping that happens at the uh the exterior of
the building to help break up the scale of it, but essentially the the floor layouts are are similar here for the first uh three floors, floors 2, 3, and four. Um you've got a mix of onebedroom studio um onebedroom a den and two beds
and then a one bed two bed and three bed uh affordable units. Can you can you uh tell us where um do all bedrooms have windows? All bedrooms have windows. Like real windows or transoms or what do
they have? Real windows. Real windows. Correct. So walk me through the den. Tell me about the ones that have one bedroom and den. Could you show us? So, this is this is one here. It's on a corner. The living space has a window. The bedroom has a window. The den is off
of the living space. And that could be an office space or, you know, a bonus room of some sort. Not not a bedroom. Not intended for a bedroom. Is there any ventilation in that room? Doesn't have a closet, right? It doesn't have a closet. No. Is there ventilation?
Is there mechanical ventilation? Yes. Besides what's provided throughout the unit, no additional ventilation. And how many of them are there? You said there were how many in the in the there uh throughout the project? 16 onebs with dens. And they're they're really just
larger onebedroom units. Where's the den in that unit? The one that I'm looking at here, the den is this room here. Okay. Is there is there an actual door? There's a door with the labels on it. And then if you look at uh another one
across the hall from that, the den would be this this back room here. So you have a a living space with a window to the courtyard, bedroom with a window to the courtyard, bathroom, kitchen, and the den in the back corner.
The one next to that one has a closet in the den. Yeah. That one does. Um, we can remove that closet. That's not a problem. That's Show us Show us that Den. Which den? That's a
This one here, onebedroom, den 228. So, the living space has a a window into the courtyard. The one bedroom has a window into the courtyard. And the den is adjacent to the the other bedroom with no closets. that this one is
showing a closet then it's a bedroom. Let's am I right? Tell me tell talk me talk me planners the code. No, that's not a defining characteristic. A closet is not a defining characteristics of a bedroom. No,
because it could be like a lending closet or a entertainment unit, right? Server rack. Um, uh, that's between the bedroom and the
closets, right, Dan? What's the size of that room? You have an idea? Yeah, it looks like the same size as a bedroom. It's right next to it. It's slightly smaller. Um, you know, we could certainly remove the closet from
this this room if that's a something that would please the board. Um, so one of the one of the things we're seeing in other towns is when there's a den, um,
it doesn't have a closet, but it also doesn't have a door. It has and the opening is much larger. It's like a five foot opening, not a three two two six or three foot opening. So it's not so easily
an enclosed room. It's actually so like a cased opening instead of a door. So which again, you know, if you're trying to have a home office, you it's helpful to have a door, but at the same time, yes, I understand the constraints, you
know, that we're concerned. Is it in Jersey a habit for space? Yes, every space in this um in those dwelling units are habitable space.
A sleeping room is different and it could be so like in order to have a studio apartment the the part where you sleep and the part where you eat is a sleeping room. The part where you go to the bathroom is not part of your sleeping room. No, I understand that. I don't have
enough space. So that's why have ventilation light in there, but that doesn't include a kitchen or a bathroom. I don't know. It can include a kitchen, not a bathroom. So um that's why and so now they again they keep tweaking the code. They keep tweaking the code. You can have
mechanical ventilation. So you don't have to have an operable window. So these all have all the sleeping rooms in this plan have um have an operable window. Yes. But what about the den? That's what they're
talking about. Now, does a den does a den require ventilation? No. Not under this scheme. No. It's habitable space, but it doesn't require ventilation. It's not considered a separate sleeping room in this plan.
again for local comfort. You can, you know, ask that they case the opening, change the size of the doorway, remove the closet, things like that. Um but yeah, that puts a
constraint on the property manager for how they market the units for having home office or other space that they're not using. Um Dan, uh give us the unit sizes for one bedrooms compared to one bedroom with a den.
Uh let's see. So one bedroom with den are closer to 800 square ft or more and the onebedrooms See 685. Yeah, 685. So if you uh 685
and so the typical layout is a a bedroom with a closet and there's a living room with um is is there a dining space or is it like more of an eating kitchen in the onebs or the one? The one bedroom? The one bedroom has a
kitchen, uh, table, living space, uh, coat closets, mechanical closets, laundry, a, uh, one bath and, uh, one bedroom. Yeah. So,
I know there are options. I mean, if you're trying to work from home, you know, the den is I know there are options and we don't we don't want people using the den as a bedroom, but a lot of people work from home now and having a home office is a really nice thing to have. And if you're going to have a home office, you need a door
clos, you know, a managed property. It's not a mom and pop operation. I I think there's a, you know, it's complaining the law. Yeah. Okay. Is there is there a uh a common co-working space in the building?
Uh there's not. There's not. So then people will probably want to use that den as an office. But none of them are affordable units, right? That creates a whole separate. None of the affordables have dens.
No, they do not afford. We don't have to worry about that pickup. Okay. Should we continue? Okay. Um, also on this floor there is a uh a courtyard space and there is a trash room on each floor that
would have a uh a trash shoot that goes down to the ground floor trash collection room. So, the courtroom's on the second is it second floor? the second floor above the parking and anyone can access it in the building. It's Yeah, the building occupants can access it.
Are you proposing any permanent fixtures out there? Planters, turf? Uh, we plan to have move movable furniture and planters. Nothing fixed. Uh, just just movable planters within that space. No, no fixed green space
within the courtyard. These will be pedestal pavers over concrete slab. The access to the building to access to the building and to the courtyard. Oh, the courtyard that happens uh at the
two corners here. So, you can see the little hand that's on the left side. And then there's a second access from the court or from the corridor on the upper right. Can I can I ask I'm just going to make a
suggestion. So, for the units that have bedrooms that um open on the courtyard um to consider doing some sort of semi-permanent planter or um fixture that gives you that buffer
between the window space and the active part of the courtyard. Okay. So on the on the north edge of the courtyard uh across right where where you have the hand that's just a solid wall. No, there's windows uh from the
courtyard to the corridor. Oh, there are. Okay. There are. So that will let like a little lighting. I might be able to see. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Getting close. You can see them here. Yeah. Thank you. actually those are all
operable windows that along the I guess at the second floor along uh I the in the in the corridor these would be fixed no but but uh no the the unit from the units they they would be able to open their windows correct
they would be open the window yes and they're transparent they're not forced to no we're not treating the glass differently Okay. Um, moving to the next floor.
Uh, moving up through the building. Uh, it's a very similar layout. We have a full ring of, uh, apartments. The building does step back about 4 ft. Um, so there is a a change in dimension here, but essentially the same layout as
below. And again on the fourth floor, as we move up to the fifth floor, the floor plan changes. We're not using the full footprint of the building. We're only having a U-shaped layout of apartments. Um, single loaded corridor
and uh there is some mechanical units and the the shaded zone here. Sorry, how far does the fourth floor set back? Fourth floor sets back on the third. The fourth floor sets back I think it's 18 ft.
Yeah. 18 foot4 from the floor below it along Langford. So it just sets back. They don't get Do they get anything? They get there's a Yeah, there's a terrace. Each each unit on the fifth floor has a private terrace. No, on the fourth floor. So
the fourth floor sets back 18 ft. No, fourth I'm sorry if I misspoke. Sorry. Uh fourth floor sets back only four four feet. Four feet. Four feet. And there are balconies on the the units along Langford
for the fourth floor. There's a couple of units on the Langford side that get balconies. They get balconies, but that's correct. And then moving up to the fifth floor, that's where we have a much larger setback step back in the building. Um
about 18 ft on Langford and 15 ft I believe on second and first. And that allows for private terraces for each of these units and a common shared terrace at the uh the corner of Second and Langford.
Is that shared terrace just for the people on that floor? That's for the whole building as well. Correct. It's just a additional outdoor space for all the residents. I'm sorry. Where is the emission at the corner here? Uh if you look at
the screen where the little hand is. And are there any permanent fixtures on that terrace? It looks like there's a uh I think we were showing some sort of a storage, but um again it would be all movable furniture
and planters. What are those sliders then from the uh to the comment terrace? What's he doing? Yeah. Yeah, we're showing sliders, but that that should be a swing door for the comment terrace. Make a note of that. We'll make that change.
And and how long is the screening on the the mechanical equipment? Uh the screening that we have proposed is 3'6 and it's a uh painted metal aluminum louvered screen.
So it allows air flow for the mechanical unit. You can't see it from you can't see it and um properties or from the streets. We did do a a site study. Um and you wouldn't be able to see those units from the from the street regardless. You won't even see the screen.
No. Can you see it from the lofts across the street? From the lofts across the street. It would be uh behind behind the the units. So the that level on this level, right? So if we go up a
level, um you'll see the roof. So this is the roof on top of the fifth floor units and we'll also have mechanical equipment up there as well. And uh we're also providing the the mechanical screening here. So that would
all be screened. And so are those are those terraces that are that are there? Those are the uh just what you're seeing below the roof area below. Oh, so they are not on that floor. No. Okay. So on the on the fifth floor plan,
I see there's fixed roof access ladder that goes up to the the roof of the fifth floor. But I don't understand how you would get to that ladder. You would get to the ladder from from this. The main roof access happens here
on the upper roof. There's a a roof access hatch. I see. So you're going down the ladder. You would go down the ladder, right? So to to access the lower portion, there's a a roof ladder, a permanent roof ladder here. Understood. Thank you.
What is the material? Attached to the utility room wall. It's it's attached to the the exterior wall. the roof h the interior roof hatch ladder um happens on the fifth floor and that happens in the utility room. So
there's a fixed ladder at the end of this utility room that goes up to the hatch above. Did you have something Jen? Yeah. Can you just explain the materials for the roof but has the sustainable calculations? It says maybe green roof, blue roof or solar or combination. So,
the main roof material would be a white TPO roof. And then, um, we're asking to have the, uh, flexibility to determine, uh, what's best for the project as far as a, uh, a solar
photo photovotayic system or a vegetated green roof. And either way, we'll comply with the the percentage that's required. You're saying 50% I mean to meet the requirement of so the rest is going to be white the other 50%.
The other 50% will either be solar or green roof. Okay. Um just quickly go through the elevations here. Um, the building materials that we're proposing are a mix of a thin brick
veneer and fiber cement siding and a lap siding and panel material with uh with trim. So, we have uh let's see, there's a gray brick color, tan brick color, and these
each have soldier course accents around windows and at floor levels. Uh black painted aluminum railings in the uh the garage openings. We're proposing an ornamental fence uh
material. You know, these are pretty large window openings to uh elevated look. Uh believe a mix of casements and double double homes or the uh sorry these are the sliders here that you see coming out. And these are Juliet
balconies along first and second have. So they're actually they're not like a balcony you can step out to, but you can open your slider and have uh you know ventilation. The So the six panel windows are what? Cases?
No, these here are sliders. These are double these are double hungs. Those are double hungs. Okay. These are sliders. This well in the widest. Oh, these are casements. Sorry. These are casements here.
So they just open they open. Yeah. Out like doors. that that's facing on first. This is first. I reluctantly want to ask a question about the garage door. Now that we've established that there will be a garage
door, it does beg the question of what will the garage door look like? And I don't know if you can really answer that now since, you know, you've just proposed it, but the board in the past has had uh thoughts and feelings about garage doors. There any requirements as to do what the garage
door for some reason? No, it would likely be a coiling door. Um just so that would you know when you high-speed operation, you don't want to wait for a sectional door to mesh, metal rod, metal. So a high-speed um coiling door
metal, right, Dan? Since the whole back of the building is open on the ground floor, do you actually need those openings to be so large?
I mean, you're doing natural ventilation for the for the garage. Natural ventilation for the garage. Um, but the whole back side of the building is open. The whole back is open. I know there is a requirement for certain number of
um you need to do the the murals the whatever public art but we can we can look at the calculation and see if there's a way to to reduce some of those areas if it's a concern but yeah I'm with Donna here if there's any
way especially on the first and second avenue frontages to make the floor openings more consistent with whatever going on. Yeah. If we can get them size and shapewise a little bit more to mimic the
the windows above and even if we can close some of them up. I I mean it's a balance between I hate having a blank solid wall, but also right. But you could also put if even if you close it, you could still put art on
it to make it interesting, right? You know, decorative. I think that that would be something that we should decorative middle like we're having them do at BFW. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the camp. I mean, I cannot stand when it's all closed in on the
first floor. Like I think it's the worst option. I would rather have open unless it's something really I mean, you know, I'm not saying everyone, but it just seems like Well, this is what we did at 12:01. There's the mesh over the opening artistic mesh.
Again, also just the size and shape of them. Again, now that you open that certainly to make them align with the the window openings above, I don't think that would be a problem. Something make them look more like part of the building.
And also have a a grill work that would mimic the emoleion pattern of the windows. And so the the light color is what? Those are masonary panels. What are they? Fiber cement panel. Like a hardy smooth hardy panel.
It's going to look like collabor. I have I have some rendering so you can see get a better sense of what that would look like. In fact, can skip to those now. So this is an image um looking at
this is this is not I'm sorry this is this is new um introduce it accepted A5 who would like to introduce it these are architectural renderings I have seven sheets here
prepared by mode architects and number of sheets you said seven yes and date the date on these it's dated 52725. All right. So, why don't you describe what we're looking at?
Okay. So, this is a view at uh the the corner of Second and Langford and you're seeing the building and how it it steps. Um if you see where the little cursor is hovering, you see where the building steps four feet at the
first floor. There's a balcony and then it steps another four feet at the third floor and then uh again at the the fifth floor it steps back 18 ft. The materials like you know what that section you know
those balconies that's a L Langford. Yeah, the balconies happen only on Langford Street. So there's a a stepping and then also a projecting balcony happening on the upper or the fourth floor. So uh there's a mix here of a of a dark
thin brick veneer and a tan thin brick veneer. And then the white panels are fiber cement with with trim boards. And then the gray is a uh a fiber cement with kind of a So that terrace up the corner with the person standing there. on the second
floor. This one here is on the second floor. That's a unit. That's a unit. Correct. And this is the the parking entry, right? Um we talked about we talked about getting rid of
we talked about getting rid of this walkway. Actually, I'm sorry, that's our first avenue. We'll we'll see that one. So, this is actually access to the bike room. This is the bike room here. Again, these windows we see here going up the the right side on Second Avenue, are any of
those in the stairwell? These are in the the elevator lobby. So, no no windows in the stairwell that are going to be illuminated right all night. Those are in the hallway. So, they those will be illuminated all the time. They will be illuminated all the time.
Right. But they're in the hallway. So, they're not exposed to the it's in the Yeah, the elevator lobby's not in the stair directly now. But that is an illuminated common. It is a it is a common corridor and we
do intend to uh follow the intent of the energy star requirements which would require that the common spaces all have occupancy sensors and controls. So these um these spaces would be dimmed when
there's no occupants. Great. But I I I don't think that I I I caught or if I understood that the stairwell as it's going up. Are the windows on the street or are the windows There are no windows in the stairwell.
There are no windows in the stairwell. There's no windows in these in in this stair here. There is the window that we were looking at. Yeah. Happens on the elevator. What about the other stairwell? The other stairwell is internal. There's no windows.
All internal. Okay. Okay. Uh, this is more of a straight on shot of the second a elevation showing the main entry with a marquee. There's a canopy with a with a address sign
and this leads into the the lobby. Is that is that a What is that? canvas or is that it's an aluminum aluminum canopy or aluminum awning. This is a view of the elevation along Langford and this is highlighting some
of the public art spaces. So there will be some areas dedicated for public art that will work with the city to determine what those uses would be. And this is the first a elevation.
And this this uh walkway that I'm hovering over here is the one that we talked about getting rid of and extending this rain garden to the corner. And someone's going to speak about what's in the rain garden. Correct. The plantings in the rain garden. Right. We have a landscape. Most
specifically, I'm going to be asking about the tree in a ring. Okay, go ahead. What? It's a cliffhanger. Uh, this is a view along First Avenue looking at the the west side, west
corner of the building. You see how the building turns and the same materials are on the west elevation as along all the other facads of the building. And then we're we're showing green here, but this is, you know, possibly a mix of
green and solar or solar. We're not prepared at this time to determine what that mix would be, but we will comply. We will comply with the sustainable roof requirement. And a view along the west elevation from
above. I'm sorry. Did we see the second avenue side or did I miss that? You showed the second avenue that the lofts will be looking at this elevation. That's going to be for the lofts to see. Okay. So, um some of the sustainable features
of the building, you know, we're going to target a Energy Star equivalency of 75 points. It would be all Energy Star certified appliances. um you know, increased insulation and air leakage requirements that go along
with the Energy Star um requirements, efficient windows and glazing, efficient HVAC equipment and water heating, all LED lighting with occupancy controls in the common areas, uh efficient uh
plumbing fixtures, water sense labeled and uh we've already spoke about the rain gardens and the sustainable root requirement. Dan, do you have anything more? Uh, that is all. And just uh in conclusion on on with
regard to your testimony in terms of design, uh height, number of stories, architectural features. In your opinion, are we complying with the uh requirements of the 101 First Avenue redevelopment plan? Yes, I believe. Are you aware of
uh any uh from an architectural standpoint any uh design uh waiverss or exceptions that we're proposing? No. Okay. M uh Madam Chair, I have no further question for the witness at this time. Um and I have to bring it up again. Is someone else someone else going to talk
about parking? Yes. Some different person. Yes. Okay. Is someone else going to talk about affordable housing? Uh yes, we we will. Okay. Okay. Is that going to refer to your discussion?
Any questions from any other board members for this witness? Any questions from our professionals where their questions have not been answered that are in their reports? No. Okay. Anyone from the public that
would like to question the witness? Again, once again, your name and address for the record. Claire Higgins, 101 Second Avenue. Thank you. Uh, what is the mailing address of this building? Asking because the sign on Second Avenue
says 101st. That's something that'll be determined by the post post office. It's not part of his testimony. It's just for the rendering. Okay. Thanks. Okay. You're welcome. All right. Then that's all for this
witness. Can we take five minutes? Thank you. Motion to take a break. All in favor? I five minutes. I'm serious. We got to get through this. Okay, I will now take roll call.
Everyone, no. Okay. Uh, James Banano here. Councilwoman Clayton, yes. Jim Henry, here. Jeremy Hoffman, still here. Jen Ser here. Daniel Shaneo
here. Bob Zuckerman here. Kathy McLaclin here. Vice Chair Gunnan here. Chairwoman Karzac here. And we're back. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. Sorry.
Just we have until about 20 of 20 of 10 have use it as you wish. I we will proceed uh with juice feed. Uh Brian uh left like you have it at sworn in please.
I do. Can you state your name for the record and spell it? Brian Le L E F. Thank you. And just for the record, you're testifying tonight in your capacity as landscape architect. And your licenses are current and up to date and in good standing as we speak? Yes, they are.
Madam Chair, is that acceptable? Absolutely. All right. And why don't you uh we're under a timing sensitivity, so discuss the proposal and uh with respect to our chair, would you please make sure you do discuss the plantings in the rain garden? Absolutely.
Absolutely. Real quick, uh the landscape design for this project uh was designed to complement the architecture and to provide yearround interest on this property. The plant selections are mostly native, but there are a few introduced species for visual interest.
Uh the plan does include several rain gardens which were engineered to enhance the site's storm water management in an ecologically friendly way. Now the rain gardens will be planted with a variety of plants uh that are suited to periodic flooding. Uh some of them that are
prominent here will be the purple cone flower and the tree that's shown on the plant is a royal star magnolia uh which is a wet sight tolerant small tree or a large shrub depending on who you talk to and how it's pruned. Generally gets to
be about 7 to 8 ft tall white flowers. Uh because its name is magnolia it's often considered a small tree rather than a large shrub. Do we have a plan? There was a landscape plan submitted uh sheet six I think. Yeah. Sheet six
in the civil ser. So in addition to the the plants that will be physically planted, the perennials, uh the Royal Star magnolia, the rain gardens are also seated with a wet sight tolerant seed mix. It's actually called a native rain garden
flowering seed mix. Uh the description is pretty good. It's made just for rain gardens in those specific conditions. Uh and it contains a lot of flowering material that's going to provide that seasonal interest. Uh the maintenance is fairly light on that type of a seeding
where it gets mowed once a year. Uh everything gets collected, it receds itself. In some cases, the perennials just come back. Uh but yes, I agree it does need to be maintained. Is it is it flat? Is it swelling? there. It's a flat bottom. There's side
walls, I believe in this case, that range from 18 in to maybe 2 ft deep. It's not meant to be a deep detention basin. In fact, I think it's meant to drain within 24 or 48 hours completely even after it's full. Uh
but the bottom of them will be flat and that's where most of the plantings will be. So underneath it for drainage about thousand components. The b the bottom is generally a sand bottom very well drained. It's meant to infiltrate as much as possible and with
the sand that you have in Asbury Park. I'm yet to see a site where that's an issue. Uh everything just drains down. Uh anything if you get a very heavy rainfall where it going to over top. There are overflow basins that the engineer had already discussed how that
whole system works. Yeah. So, do the rain gardens train into that system? Yes, they do. Oh, they they are connected. Yes. So, do you just use the natural materials are there or are you digging out? They're probably going to dig out and replace with a specified uh a sand type
of a soil that has enough nutrients to support the plant growth, but also has a very high sand content that encourages the infiltration. Okay. as as to track the buffs existing reg residential uses uh the appropriate landscape buffers are provided. It does
the buffers that are provided comply both in uh the width of the buffers and the material provided. Uh the you've heard about the fence that's provided along the westerly property line along all of the residential boundaries. Uh
there would also be evergreen plantings on our side of that fence comprised of either arborites or leelin cypress depending on where the where you have the room for the leeland cyprus where it narrows down you would have the arborites installed at a height of I
believe 7 to 8 ft which puts them higher than the fence at the time of planting. So that little gap that's over the fence and under the the uh garage roof, within three to five years, that entire space would be covered and you wouldn't even
see that gap. Then on the uh the illustration here, this you know where the vents are for the ground floor garage, they're showing like there's vegetation. There's vegetation all around the building.
No. Uh no, I understand that. It seems I don't know are those built-in planters in the screen area there. Oh, there's no planters in the screen. Everything would be planted at grade on the outside of the building. So, the illustration, you know, is incorrect. It's showing that
uh plantings in that screening are mistaken. Yes, that's that's artistic embellishment like a it looks like a a window box. Okay. No, there is no there are no planters or anything. Everything would be planted at grade pitched away from
the building obviously for drainage uh but also not blocking the ventilation for the building and the garage. So street trees were briefly dis briefly discussed. Uh the current plan is to leave the trees that are on First Avenue. There are four of them there that are in decent condition. As uh your
planner has pointed out, they've been pruned kind of weirdly over the years, as many trees have been. Uh JCPNL loves to do that. Uh there's one I saw at the corner though, but I mean it's from an old picture two years ago, the one that looks like it's
all covered with ivy and stuff. Large tree at the corner. I'm not not familiar with that specific tree to speak to that specific one. Um cuz usually that's not a good condition. IV not necessarily bad. Ivy doesn't it gets
a bad wrap sometimes but it's not it could could choke the tree but without see I can't say whether it is or it's not. Uh but we did originally propose a tree called a September golden rain tree for Langford and Second Avenue. Uh there was some question as to the
appropriateness of that tree and I have no problems changing that uh to a tree. I know Mammoth County actually has a list of shape recommended street trees. Uh the golden rain tree was on that list at one point, but when I checked it before this hearing, it has been removed. Uh so we will replace that with
a more appropriate tree and we I would recommend using one from the Mammoth County shade tree list. at this location, you're a little bit further away from the ocean than a lot of the other projects I've worked on in Asbury Park, and I'm not sure that the salt tolerance on that side of the tracks is
quite an issue. So, I think we have a larger selection of trees that we can pull from. And that really sums up what we're proposing for the landscape unless there are any I guess just from a from a conclusionary standpoint. Are you aware of any uh
design exceptions or uh deviations that we're applying for in connection with the 101st Avenue redevelopment plan? No, my understanding is that this is fully compliant. Thank you. Does any any planning board members have any questions of this witness? I'll say
that I'm very very happy to see the rain gardens and the plant list for the rain gardens. I think it'll be beautiful. Thank you. Any other questions or statements for this witness from our Anybody have preferences about the street trees?
Well, I saw your comment about the height about just because of the um the lines, but I think it could be left up to discussion between Thank you.
Any questions? Um, anything else from the professionals? No. Any questions from the public for this witness? No. Okay. All right. Good evening. Yes, I do.
Sure. Gary Dean, Dean M. And Mr. Dean, you're testifying tonight in your capacity as a traffic engineer, consulting traffic engineer. And just by way of be brief background, I've appeared before this board previously for the I think it was called
Jamal uh the Armory VFW side. I've also been involved with 1201 Memorial, although I guess you didn't need me for that, but um and I maintain an office in Ocean Grove uh and I represent uh private uh developers as well as municipalities throughout the state. And
I'm a licensed professional engineer. And your licenses and certifications and qualifications are current and up to date and in good standing. Yes, they are. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. All right. uh why don't we just uh sort of from a a parking uh standpoint and traffic standpoint uh address the
situation and you've heard you've been you've been here tonight and you've heard some of the questions regarding parking so I'm sure you have some answers. I do. I hope hopefully I do and they're the right questions uh that I'm addressing. Um, just by way of be brief
background, I submitted an October 14th, 2024 traffic study as part of the application and it sets forth a lot of the numbers. We did traffic counts during the summer on Langford on first and second. I would characterize all of
the streets surrounding the site as as fairly low activity and I contrast that with obviously Memorial Maine and some of some of the busier streets in the city. Uh as part of those traffic counts, we also looked at pedestrian movements along each of the sidewalks
abuting the site as well as bicycles. So we wanted to capture, you know, in August terms, how much activity is is at these two specific corners. Um because of the proximity to the train station, I would say the nature of the
site and the intentionally suppressed parking supply, overall traffic will be essentially managed. Uh contrasted with if you had say two or three spaces per unit, more parking means more cars. So by intentionally keeping your parking
supply appropriately sized, it does help suppress traffic. We would expect uh many of the residents to be pedestrian oriented, use the bikes as well as mass transit. Um after much consideration, um
obviously the only point of ingress and egress is to first we have a convention a conventional 24T wide two-way driveway. Um, what I do want to address is the I'll say recommendation, I think
principally by your planner to have audio and visual warning signs. In 99.9% of the cases, I would agree. And most buildings I would say that are higher density, those buildings have a zero
foot setback to the rideway line and the sidewalk. Think Jersey City, Hoboken, New York City. And I hate to point it out, but even the Bangs Avenue garage, that building sits right up on the sidewalk. This building, by contrast,
from the sidewalk to the front of the building is roughly 37 ft. And to put that in context, that's from that wall to that light, two car lengths away. That is plenty of
visibility for a car exiting that driveway to not only see the pedestrians, but for the pedestrians to see the car. While the applicant has agreed to it, my concern is candidly noise and light pollution. Every time a car comes in and out, that thing will
flash and it'll beep. I don't know that that's necessary, that kind of intrusion given the sensitivity of the receptors to our west. If you want it, you've heard the applicant will do it. I would urge you to consider whether given this
distance it's necessary. There will be clear lines of sight subject to Mr. Left's landscaping plan to ensure that there are clear sight lines. But and then the last thing to point out is and it's not particularly visible on the
plan. We have a stop bar and a stop sign right at the sidewalk. So, every vehicle exiting, and bear in mind, two vehicle lengths, stop at that stop sign and yield to the pedestrians on the sidewalk. That's the reason I don't
think you need literally the bells and whistles for this type of design. Um, in terms of parking, you've heard there are 127 parking spaces. Okay, there are 127 parking spaces. I know there was a resident that had a concern
about EV spaces. None of us in this room can do anything about EV. They're statemandated. We have to have 19 EV spaces by code. They're like handicap parking spaces. So those 19 spaces are principally facing Langford and then
there's two up in the northeast corner essentially pointing towards second. Um there's a roll out at the first CEO. 5% of our total parking or four of those EV spaces have excuse me be five spaces
have to be put in 3 years hence the next 5% need to be energized and then 3 years thereafter the remainder. So, initially when this building is tened, there will only be I
think it's five, maybe it's six, but it'll be it'll be the minimum number of EV spaces. The rest are called make ready, as you've heard from Mr. Klen. They have to have the the wiring put in, but they won't have the pedestal and the and the charge wire. So, they'll just be
regular parking spaces. The whole intent of that legislation is as EV adoption continues to ideally roll out, more and more people throughout New Jersey will have EVs instead of internal combustion and there will be the demand over the
next say 8 years, two years to build this and then the two threeear periods to implement. So it it is an intent to kind of futureproof the infrastructure for EV adoption and the only way people will buy more EVs if
they know their building has the spaces. So um that's why we have so many uh to answer that question. We do have a number of compact spaces as the uh redevelopment plan permits. And again for clarification all parking within the
building comes in and out via first in the driveway. that it's not accessible to any other street. Um the intent is that none of the spaces will be assigned. They will each tenant
at uh leasing will be advised. You get one parking space to the extent they have more vehicles. Um there is a 20% buffer above and beyond. We have a ratio of 1.2 in this building in accordance
with the redevelopment plan. So that will those I'll say additional tenants spaces will be leased on a first come first serve basis. So it will be included in the rent person will not be if they say I don't have a car the rent is not going.
That is correct. Correct. And and part of the reason for that is as as you may surmise in other more developed areas where there is a charge for parking a lot of creative individuals say you know I'll save a 100 bucks a month and I'll just go park somewhere to the west
street. So to curtail that potential it's included in the rent whether you have a vehicle or not. But but if a tenant gets a second spot if there are a few like you said there's a buffer um they will pay for that extra that I can't answer. I don't believe
that's the case at all and again just for the same reason but everything is controlled by leasing. So um and and again it's I I always say it's eyes wide open. If you're a prospective tenant and and let's say in your circumstance you may have three
cars and you're told by the leasing office we only can give you one space. this isn't the building for you. And the ones that are EV that do have the charges, is there any more? Can you I mean, I know is it up to management?
It's Can you park a non-EV car in an EV space? Is there any law against it? Not in New Jersey just yet. So, and again, at at for for at least the first three years of leasing, the the overwhelming majority of spaces will
will be none. you know, they'll they'll be I think it's six EV at at the first CO and that's a fairly small number, you know, as we're seeing more manufacturers and I assume what that's going to be for additional charge company. Yeah. How does the those those are uh administered
privately and and it's uh think of a gas dispenser with a hose on either side. And that's candidly why the architectural plans I just learned this have an even number of EV spaces cuz one pedestal winds up I I'll I'll describe
it as on the stripe in between the spaces so that there's a charge cable to the left and a charge cable to the right. So under the site plan where we only have 19, this last space at the very southeast would would have the
charging pedestal, you know, in line with the columns, let's say, but yet there would be a I'll call it a hose, a a cable on the south side to the none space. But um the provider so um like I
get that you may not know would it be charge point or one of those services um that's going to um provide again the the electric charging service. That is correct. In in in other words, it would be
it would be unfair to the other tenants if the tenants with electric vehicles get free charging whereas everybody else with a gas car has to go pay for gas. So whether it's charge point, EVgo or whoever the the vendor is, there will be a subscription service to use that.
Okay. So, and then to the point about people's concern about whether you have an EV parked in a or a non-EV parked in an EV space, often times the provider um has a provision that if you're not
charging an EV car in an EV space, you'll get a phone. Only if you're plugged in, in a private lot, you would just park in the space. So, again, it depends on the provider. So again, however building management is going to manage these spaces, who's
providing the service, if it's charge point or not, you know, one of the other companies, it it's it's a variable. So you mean if you're if you have a TV and you're parking in EV space and you're not charging, be paying for a charger. If you're not charging,
you could get a penalty. Yes. Even if you have an EV. Mhm. You are supposed to be charging. You know, if you're dead spot or charging, they have no idea you're parked there. If you're charging ends, they know because that says whether
you're parked there. If I park there in my gas car, they don't I don't have an app. They don't know. But people park all the time. I do have I do have an electric car. Some of them don't leave within 2 hours. Somebody have little cameras to see that
you're in their spot. It in private garages. It it and candidly, if there's a demand for more charging equipment, whereas the the prospective tenants are asking for it, the building owner has all the incentive to to provide more to accommodate that
demand. So, it it's it's in its nent stages. You know, we're we're trying to sort it out. And as was testified to with 19 EV spaces, um, credits are allowed to incentivize
this installation. And the legislation says up to 10% of the total parking supply, in this case, 12.7 to 13, you get a credit. So, we're not using that credit. We have 127 fixed spaces. I know
also um there was a a question regarding the rental spaces. Um my understanding from the applicant is that's a carryover from the 2018 redevelopment plan. Um so to be consistent with those rental
spaces, they are incorporated in the plan. Since the pandemic, people figured out Uber and Lyft and the like. And there's also now a number of car I'll say rental short-term rental services Turo Kite
even enterprise will deliver to your building. So the the the zip cars and the hertz to go aren't quite as robust as they were in 2018. So, I would I would call these four
rental car spaces, but if the demand isn't there, why why should we just lose the use of those four spaces? So, um I if that to to your satisfaction can remain fluid toward the parking management. Um you know, we could we
could use two of them for example up front. If no one's ever renting them, what's the point? As long as it will only be residents parking 100% correct. Yeah. I I I would think that having
mandating that there's four rental spaces would kind of be a waste. Zip car is a thing like you said a decade ago and and and and longer. I I don't know who uses zip car anymore. But in the redevelopment it's required. So we're debating right this is what
what you testified to is that this is required by the plan. But we could give them an exception. We could give them both. Correct. Right. So again, be, you know, we're trying to predict what happens in the future. I I I think there's a sentiment that the what was the thought
seven years ago of of Zip Car and the like has now been eclipsed by Uber and Lyft and and and other services that are more on demand instead of occupying force spaces. Uber picking you up on the street. They're not picking you up on the street. Correct. My
personal opinion would be Mercedes are, you know, op rental car space is optional. So if you want to have them, you can have them, but you're not required to have them. That would be my personal Well, they they would have to partner with those companies to have those cars there and they have to fund that cuz they don't just you can't just bring us a car anywhere you want.
No. Right. My point is is I I think we should say if they want to do that, we'll allow it, but if they don't want to do it, we don't. It's part of the It's part of the revelopment plan and it says that they have to have it. So the way it's set up is fine. The way Gary's saying is fine. if they're they're most likely not going to get used for this service because it's not as robust as it used to be. It
cost more money. I tried to set it up here. I know uh it'll probably just end up being normal parking spaces that they could give to residents, which is ultimately fine because having these inside the building is kind of pointless anyway because you're limiting the number of people who can use the car. You'd want them on the street instead of in the building anyway,
right? So other people can use the and that's the bigger issue is you're inviting the public into the building. Say again. yet like near the rental spaces. I believe those are uh sanitary
cleanouts. They're labeled CO on the site plan. So there there must be a sewer lateral or pipe somewhere in there just to maintain that system. There's there's also some I I I'll defer to Mr. Clen, but you know there's some in the driveway itself. So they have to be
secured and structurally you know uh they can withstand the vehicle loads. But wherever you see those periodically on the site plan, there's a legend over to the left and they're depicted as cleanouts. Um, and trying to be mindful of the chair's direction. That's all I have in the way of direct unless I
just in conclusion just say any uh with the exception of the car share uh space that we just talked about. Are there any exceptions or waiverss that we're requesting? Not not that not that I'm aware of. There is one other issue and I neglected
to mention. You'll see on the aerial there are two cars because it's a overlay of the site plan on an aerial. As you heard from Mr. Cullen, um two spaces will be lost to accommodate on street parking. And there was a question about sight triangles. That is forever
the challenge with on street parking. And if you look to our neighbor immediately to the west and their driveway, they have cars right up alongside the driveway. And that is the consequence of on street parking. Um could with Mr. Mr. Banado's input. Could
Could we stripe a gore area and a flare for better sightelines? Yes, but then you lose on street parking. So, it's a balance of uh you know, do you want the parking on street or do you want to remove some for safety? I I look at the
the characteristics of the balance of the street and you know, if there's a gap in between driveways, people fill it. Um, so other than additional yellow striping, we we are just consistent with that pattern of but you have the aprons that go out anyway that you show on
there. Correct. There there is a slight flare. Um, and I have it at my driveway at my office. It's a nuisance, but the whole concept of on street parking is, you know, you should be able to see through the windows and peek around. The good
news is the traffic on on uh first again is very light. We quantified it in our study. I think it's 50 vehicles an hour. So, one car a minute. It's not a lot. And and same with the pedestrian traffic. That was even lighter. There was six people up to a maximum of six an
hour on the sidewalk. So, it's not it's not like what you have in town with a lot of pedestrian activity. It's it's comparatively very light. Um so that again that's all I have in the way of the and and again with with the discussion uh it is my professional
opinion that safe and efficient ingress and egress will be provided um with the discussions that we've had relative to um maintaining that visibility at our apron for pedestrian um foot traffic and
thank you for your time tonight. Any questions from anyone on the board? more a statement uh just because I know again the compact vehicles they're you know allowed to have so many by the plant so they're within their right to do that. Uh my concern is more that since they aren't managing who goes to
what space it's not going to be long before everyone's SUV or pickup truck is parked over two compact spaces because it's the only space they can find cuz majority of people in this country own SUVs at the smallest and big trucks the largest. So that many compact spaces I don't think they're going to be used for combat cars. I think they're going to
end up being one car in two spaces because I think they said it's 7 and 1/2 ft wide which is about okay but I think they're 9 or 10 ft long. They're small. It the a Ford Explorer is about 16 ft long and I think these are 15s
15. So, you know, if if an Explorer tries to fit in, I think they'll have a harder time getting out than than the depth of the space. Um, I think again because of the management structure, what vehicle do you have? You have a Honda Accord, you go in compact. If you
have, you know, a Camry compact, but if you have an Explorer, full size. If they were managing who went to what space, I would agree. But they're not. That was my No, that's a fair observation. And it's it's a it it's a challenge. I I can't disagree. that the
good news is we expect the turnover unlike say a shopping center where you have a lot of in-n-out traffic and you try to do compact in those complete disaster and then just because you brought it up the uh the warning system do people have
feelings about that I'll say um because the reasons Gary mentioned I have no strong feelings for or against it it's better to have than not need it than eat it not have it so Whatever the board feels, I'm fine with. Um, but yeah, there is plenty of room uh
for them to come out, stop, see around, but it's best to always have some some kind of application. Yeah. I mean, that long driveway is just a running start in my opinion. It's very true. Also, um, do we know who was across the street from it? I think it's a chrome shop. It It's
Yeah, it's it's a manufacturing I think you're right. It's I forget the name, but it's a a plating or a or a chrome manufacturing building. So, it's not a residence that definitely not. I think we moved it from Second Avenue to First for that reason.
What do And partner engineering is on the corner. I prefer to have Well, prefer to have it. No. Do we people that prefer to have it? Want to just fine either way. I'm fine either way. Also,
if we have some preferences of people that have it and I think a lot of us are fine either way. I I would actually rather have the sidewalk look a little different. I feel like that's more of a set off. That that I think is an exceptional idea. it it we just have to be careful
for ADA because usually those detectable warning surfaces if there's a visually impaired pedestrian they hit those bumps and so they know it's something and if the if the texture of that driveway apron um is either a different color or
is a you know a stamped concrete to give it some relief and visual cue. I I think that's a great way to address it. But again, there is a stop sign right there at the sidewalk. Um, and and again, if this were a shallower setback with the
building, I I could not agree more. But two I can fit two car lengths from the building to that stop bar before the the crosswalk. It's where it's the white painted thing where you stop when the sign is right next to it. It's painted on the on the
asphalt. Yeah, it's a white 12 in 24 in white stripe that tells you in theory where to stop your car. It's a paid number. I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. I just feel like there's so many I mean we have obviously the condition all over the city, but it's so
it can be so dangerous and there's um even though I know it's a low count of pedestrians now it'll be different in the f you know might be different. We don't know. there'll be more activity because of this building and I just feel like the more warnings you're gonna have because kids like kids are biking and all that on the sidewalk and
and with the scooters because there's even by the lofts there's there there's scooter stops there's like all these scooters that are sitting there I don't know can we get some idea from the just a discussion from the board I mean does
anybody feel strongly that they do want the um visual and audio yes Yeah, I think one, two, three. Everybody else is can go either way or does anyone else feel that they say absolutely not? Well, you know, we have a professional
that comes in and tells us that it's not needed and he gives a pretty good explanation as to why it's not needed. Uh why should we impose that upon public developer? uh you know it's just an added expense that
is apparently not necessary. I I'm and and I appreciate that. My concern is more for the the receptors that they they are they make an audio sound for a reason and that's so because you know as people walk down the street and this you know they're all doing this
instead of watching where they're going. So you have that beeper. someone leaves at 10 o'clock at night and it's quiet, it's going to be heard in the neighborhood. And so I just I I give you that caution out of sensitivity to the receptors. Not not and I wouldn't
advocate it if the building were zero foot setback, but we're like I said 25 ft plus we have 12 from the right ofway line to the sidewalk. that curtain, that curtain, and I did it
by ceiling tiles to here. That's how far away the building is to the sidewalk. So, I'm standing on the sidewalk. That curtain is the building. That's why I don't think we need them, but we're we're deferring to the board. We have three people that are saying
that they do want them and one that says they don't, and the rest can go either way. So, I'm happy to take a straw. Yeah, let's take a Let's take Let's take a vote cuz um and and can one of the choices be
it doesn't I don't feel strongly one way or another. Well, if you don't feel strongly extension, so we should go one way. Okay. So, it's a yes or no one or the other. Let's Yeah. Okay. All right. Can we do that? Yes.
All right. You want me to just go through everybody knows the issue, right? Yeah. Can I just make Can I make one more pitch? Sure. Go ahead. It's just that I I appreciate what you're saying. I my concern on this and I appreciate you're um being sensitive to the
neighbors, but it and it is this is a lot of um you know, they seem extraneous, but there's a lot of noise and we're not like in a pristine silent community. It's, you know, there's noise, there's other noises. Um I think people are pretty used to there being some noises in their in our
neighborhoods here. Um, and I think if if the developer is willing to do it and it can add a bit more safety, I think it's a really important thing to do. And also that the tra the volume of traffic that other people have mentioned is increasing. There bicycles, there's
there's scooters, there's electric bicycles. We're also bringing in a whole new community with this building. So, there will be new people. Okay. All right. Can you go down the line? Yes. Yes, Jeremy. Stay.
Oh, no. No. I have stay. No. Yes. Yes. No. We only have nine votes. So, the n the nos have
Yeah, we can't have 10 votes. Only nine members are eligible. Well, what if who's who's the person that's not alternate one and K's alternate? Yeah. So then K Catherine would not be who voted yes, please.
One three. Can I just ask a question about that? Sure. If if the people that abstained, are they a no or are they an abstain? An is no different than an abstension is no different than a no to be on a motion.
Because you still need the majority, right? And the majority would be a five. Yes. So, right. A majority would be a five. Majority majority of nine of nine members is five. I would say yes, but that only brings us to four. I would say yes. Okay. So, we're at five.
Close this discussion. So, now we have five in front of the post. We do. Let's see your hands. Show hands. Just meaning five. Five out of nine is a yes. putting in this system just Okay.
All right. Any uh Oh, I'm sorry. Any questions uh from the public about from this uh witness? No. Okay. Thank you again, Madam Chair. That's the end of my witnesses. I have a 23 second conclusion ready summation. That's great.
23 seconds. We like that. Affordable housing. Oh. Oh, excuse me. So with this does not include much 22 seconds. Um so we have uh um I was mistake. I mean I don't know that we have anyone to testify about it. We have Luke to answer questions. We're
going to comply with the affordable housing requirements. We have absolutely no problem with that. We welcome that. So the thing I say on my report about distribution, you're going to comply. We we'll comply with the the city's requirements as a as a condition of approval. Excellent.
Okay. Okay. So my 23 seconds are I thank you very much for giving us the time and your attention and your commitment, your expertise, your guidance, your insight, your suggestions, your ideas. They were great ideas. I think my last witness said some of the ideas were spectacular.
So u many of which were accepted. I appreciate the the good faith discussion we had with regard to the audio and visual. Uh we are a compliant um proposal with the with the condition that we are correcting that lighting situation. We have an company that will professionally
design you're requesting the flexibility from the ride for the ride share spaces. So that'll give youception and uh we are respectfully requesting your support and approval tonight and on
behalf of my entire team I thank you. Uh they're going to modify the uh openings in the garage to be more architecturally compatible. Yes, that's something that is the question is is that does that something that can be brought back? Just the lighting in the garage. So it's
not uh light source is not visible. Oh, those those are things that I would like to see. I would like to see what the garage openings are going to look like now cuz we're asking for them to be on first and second avenue and the garage door. And the garage door and the garage door garage door.
The two things I had that are not really concrete conditions. They're you need to see these things and right anything else? Uh well the the lighting plan we needed to see with all exterior lighting included, but that could have been a condition. But
they're coming back. They're either speaking from a legal perspective. They either have to be conditions or not. If you make something, if you want something, make it a condition. Don't don't make it optional. Uh if that's what you want to see, then
make it a condition. Well, no. My point is I think there's some things that can't be conditions that we actually need to see. Right. That's what That's what we're I thought you meant. That's what we're saying now. Oh, okay. I misunderstood you. I'm sorry. My go misunderstood. Well, those are my three things. The ground floor
openings, the garage door, I'm sorry, the wedding plan. I didn't hear uh the reconfiguration of the ground floor openings to be more consistent with the openings above. We want to see the garage door and then we needed to see the lighting plan with all lighting sources included.
Don, I have a question. You raised an issue concerning the affordable housing and the locations. Are you satisfied with He testified they're going to comply. Okay. and and we will work with the city to comply. Anything else?
Okay, there's a there's a couple of things that uh we had spoken about. Um updating the where the gas meter location is on the plan cuz that was not where they are. Um we talked about the possibility of uh expanding the rain
garden. We did not determine whether that's something we wanted or not. And I mean it's something that I'm always interested in to catch as much water as we possibly can instead of the second entrance to instead of the second entrance on the same side.
Y is that? Yes. Okay. So we say yes to that. We would like to see what that looks like. That's one of those you want to see. I want to see that. Okay. Right. We want to see uh there was another thing. There was supposed to be an update to the swing door on the
common terrace. Minor, but still. All right. So, we need to see those. Um, we were going to make the fence. I don't know if this is something that that we said we talked about the residential fences and whether we're that we're just going to create those fences as one
fence. They're going to work with the neighbors or we're just going to work with the neighbors on that. So, that's not a I have to see that. Okay. Uh, pedestrian friendly street furnishings. Oh, we didn't talk Yeah, we didn't talk anything but that was going
Okay. add those. I That's all that I have. And those are going to be kind of at the discretion of Yeah. James's department. Yeah. Sorry. Based on spacing and whatnot for the street improvements, benches like that.
Not typically. They don't go to me. No. All right. So then you want to see them. The other architect talked about a balance on that facade gap down for the garage lighting. So you might want to see we want to see that design as well to
make sure that we don't see the lighting anywhere outside all the way around. I mean that might be something we need to work on. Are we talking about having them come back? Oh, they're Yeah, cuz we want to see these things. Okay. Okay. So hopefully you you you you've
worked on that. Um I have some uh resolution compliance items that I'm just not quite sure if they have to be have to they wouldn't go down. Okay, let me just make sure that I All right. Uh, let me just make sure that this and everything you agree that
everything is going to be 2,700, not 13, not 3,000. Yes. Right. Um, visual. You're going to do the visual and auditory. We don't really have to see what that is. Um, you're going to
show us the rain garden. Uh, lighting mounted high now. Okay. I think that that's all the things that we we need to see. thing I had was James one at the corner of Langford in second for that ramps that the ramp. Yeah. I don't know how to describe that. Yeah. Uh two pedestrian ramps. It's
about the crosswalk one. Okay. Anything else anybody can think of that we would like to that we would like to see as opposed to making a resol a condition. Okay. Before you're done, do you want public
comment tonight or the next week? I would I actually tonight probably would be a good idea. Well, you're gonna have good testimony. Well, we are going to have new testimony. You're right. Subject to cross. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. I have one question about um construction phasing
like the staging and all that stuff. That's a condition of final approval. I always put that in now as a standard condition. They have to meet with James to coordinate the the phasing street closure and all that good stuff. In this
case, there will be an additional uh meeting with with the neighbors to discuss uh the fencing the fencing and trees, right? But that's that's a condition that's not got to say. So just for the for record
for for the public that we are going to meet again and that's when comment if you have a threeminute comment that you'd like to throw out there you're welcome to come back and we have to will determine when that is right now what day that is.
Um will this result in any additional like are you going to need to share anything? Can you I'm talking to Donna. Sorry, I think Donna. Yeah, they're going to revise plans. We're going to have to say whether it meets what they asked for.
So, yes. So, then it can't be like the next meeting. It has to be a little further out than that. So, all right. Today's August 4th. The next even remotely possible where everything would be due August 11th, which is in
one week, would be for the September 15th meeting. Is that possible for you guys to get everything done in a week so that we you can come back September 11th? If not, it's going to be October 6th. So, it's either September 11th or October 6th.
September 15th. I'm sorry. September 15th or October 6th for the meetings, which would be which would work better for you? So we would prefer uh very much appreciate uh the September 15th meeting
that September 15th. Yeah. All right. And that means the revised plans would need to be submitted by August 11th. August 11th would be our correct trying to figure out how much time she Yeah. How much time? Yeah.
Do you have to Hang on. Hang on. Cuz Labor Day is the first, right? And they're out that day. And we have it. August 11th due date. Thank you, Don. August 11th due date for the September 15th meeting.
Okay. So that so we will meet again on this application September 15th with no further notice and on behalf of my client I consent to extend the time frame within which the board has to act.
All right. All right. Do we have to vote on that? Have a motion to carry it. All right. Can I second? Well, there you go. And Daniel. Okay. Um, James Bonano, yes. Councilwoman Clayton,
yes. Jim Henry, yes. Jeremy Hoffman, yes. Jen Ser, yes. Daniel Shaneo, yes. Bob Zuckermanman, yes. Vice Chair Gunnan, yes. And Chairwoman Carzac, yes. Okay. Motion to adjurnn.
Thank you. Thank you. Good night.