All right, Jeff, >> start us off. >> Uh, you know, I don't have the notes, but uh I have a I have the list. >> Call to order. >> Yes. Get a note. I mean, um, what I'll do is just, uh, you're supposed to tell me to call the meeting to order, and I will.
>> So, Barbara, call the meeting to order. >> Excellent. Excellent. This meeting is being held in compliance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the coaster asbury park press by publication of the annual meeting notice and posted on the
municipal bulletin board and municipal website. All notices are on file with the board secretary. Official action may be taken on the following matters before this board. This meeting is being recorded by APV for your future viewing pleasure. Uh please join me for a joint
of uh first uh sal please. Pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
>> Roll call. >> Yes. >> James Manano absent. Councilwoman Clayton >> here. >> Mr. Henry >> here. >> Mr. Moore >> here. I'm sorry, Mayor Moore. Um, Jen Souder >> here.
>> Daniel Scanica Scano. >> Scano. Uh, absent. Bob Zuckerman >> here. >> Kath McLaclin >> here. >> Uh, Mr. Gunnan absent. And Chair Ker >> here.
>> Thank you. >> So, uh, the first thing we have on the agenda is a resolution. pass. Do we have resolution um for 531 Cookman Avenue? Um uh can I get a motion to uh to move this
to move this resolution for approval? >> I'll move it. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Um >> I'll second. >> Any comments, questions? Seeing none. Um,
Councilwoman Clayton, >> yes. >> Mr. Henry, >> I can't vote. I was not at that meeting. >> Mayor Moore, >> yes. >> Miss Sver, >> yes. >> Mr. Zuckerman, >> yes.
>> Miss McLaclin, >> yes. >> And Chair Kerzac, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, the only other uh matter on the agenda this evening is the application 320 Asbury Avenue, block 3801, lot 1.02,
APW Redeveloper LLC and Asbury Partners LLC, properties within the waterfront redevelopment area and prime renewal area. Uh, I have had an opportunity to review the notice. All is in order. Um, and the board has jurisdiction to hear the matter this evening.
>> Excellent. Just before we get just before we get started, since we have uh some folks in the public, uh that uh I just like to let you know if you haven't been to one of these meetings, um that here's how here's how it goes. Uh what happens is that we're going to have uh
different witnesses that will be uh testifying about different things, whether it be an engineer, whether it be an architect, whether it be a planner, whether it be a landscape architect. And once they are finished testifying, the public has the right to go up ask a
question of that person based on what they said. Um, so you have that that ability. So that happens every time a different person testif. Um then after we're finished, after the application is completely finished and we feel and the
board feels that they're going to take a vote, then uh you the public has the ability to comment for 3 minutes on your feelings, your thoughts, no questions, just just feelings and thoughts. So about the about the
project, anything that you'd like to say about it. Um so that's just kind of like just to level set where how this goes. Uh so during the process it's really the board and the um and the attorney and the uh and the the professional which
might be like I said a planner, architect, engineer um during that process and then I'll ask if there's any public com any public questions when it's time just so you know. Okay, >> go for it. >> I have a point of order. >> Sure,
madam chair. Um, I I just want to make sure that I am allowed to participate in this particular application because of where I live that there's no conflicts. >> Are you Did you get notice on the application? >> Uh, I did. >> You're within the 200 ft. >> Well, I I'm not sure what that what the
notice exactly. I was away, so I don't I I got some sort of notice. Um, but I I live I live at 600 Hex Street, Unit 10. It's in the Cove. >> Oh, the Cove is The Cove is right next door, >> right? >> Yeah. So, so you would have to recuse yourself because you're within the 200
ft, >> right? Okay. So, can I still sit and listen? I just can't. >> So, you could sit in the audience because you can't sit up here though. >> Okay. >> All right. >> You're welcome to sit in the audience. >> Okay. >> And you're also welcome to ask any questions.
>> Just like the questions as as an audience. >> Absolutely. >> You have the right to ask questions. What I would caution you because you are a board member. Yes. that if the questions get much more technical in nature, it's generally my recommendation that board members are represented by
council if they're coming before a matter particularly if you're going to object to the matter. >> Ah, okay. I will keep that in mind. >> Hold on. >> Okay. >> All righty. >> Okay.
>> Well, that's unfortunate. answer my promotion, but I will I will be I will be in the audience. >> Okay. All righty. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. >> My name is Jennifer Phillips Smith. I'm
an attorney with FBT Gibbons and I am here tonight on behalf of APW Redeveloper, which is the designated subsequent developer for the property located at block 3801, lot 1.02. The property, as you can see, is a triangular shaped parcel, and we are
here this evening for preliminary and final major site plan approval and subdivision approval. The proposal this evening is for a subdivision to take the one lot and turn it into two lots. And for that lot then to have two phases. The first phase would have two
buildings. One building is proposed to be a multifamily building with 50 units in it. The other building is a string of nine town homes. On the second lot for the second phase will be the third building and that is a proposed mixeduse building that's built at the tip of the triangle that has proposed commercial on
the ground floor and eight residential units above. Uh this evening we have four witnesses. We will start with civil engineering. Then we will go to the architect for phase one. Then the architect for phase two and then we will
have our professional planner. Our civil engineer will be covering landscaping as well. Um so can you just repeat one more time that we're going to go through um when you say phase one is that building which building is that?
>> It is the two buildings that are towards one and >> building one and two >> one I think actually it says >> the residential. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that's I just like to make sure that we don't mix it all up. >> Correct. So that when when we're talking
about the full lot fine >> and when you're talking about only the buildings can we speak to them as building one and two and then mixed use which is three >> that's how they >> that's what they're called or >> then yes that's how
>> just pick something that we can recognize >> correct >> which one we're talking >> typically I call the multif family building is the taller building that is up at the top there and then the town homes are the string at the bottom they're both on the first lot, first phase and then the mixeduse building
because it has commercial on the ground floor and residential above is the more triangular shaped building at the point that works. So in addition to preliminary and final site plan and subdivision, we're also seeking design exceptions as will be described by our professionals. Again,
we have four witnesses. We are civil engineer, an architect for the multif family and town home, and then an architect for the mixeduse, and then our professional planner. Uh we did provide public notice and provided an affidavit to the board attorney in advance of the
meeting. So with that I will start with our first witness, our civil engineer, Lena Baron. >> Good evening. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> And before you start testifying, I I'll
swear in uh the board's professionals as well. Um, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you provide this evening will be the truth and the and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> Wonderful. And just before I start my first question, I neglected to put on
the record. What you'll see this evening is actually the culmination of uh gosh more than 16 months worth of work. Uh we actually had originally proposed an application back in 2022 that had a single building here that was far more
dense and taller. In September of 2024, we refiled our TRC application for what you see here, a far less dense application with three distinct buildings. Uh we went before the TRC in November of 2024. We went before the
council in March of 25 and that ultimately led to us being designated as the subsequent developer in January of 26. Over the course of that time, we incorporated many comments from the TRC, from the council, from the TRC's professionals, and from the city's
professionals to get to the plan that you see here tonight. So, I'll start now with our first question. So, Miss Veron, if you wouldn't mind uh providing your credentials for the board and your experience and background in the field of civil engineering.
>> Sure. I'm a licensed professional engineer in the state of New Jersey and my license is currently active. I'm a senior project manager and a shareholder at French and PLLO Associates. I have uh been intimately involved in the design
of this project and um I'm familiar with both civil engineering, lighting and landscaping aspects and I have over 25 years of experience in this field. >> And you've been accepted as an expert in the field of civil engineering by by
this board or other boards before. Correct. >> Yes, I have. >> All right. And I would like to offer Miss Baron as a an expert in the field of civil engineering. >> Thank you. >> And as you're going through what you're presenting, can you just blow it up into that various areas so that we can so we in the audience can also see what we're
specifically speaking about. >> Sure. Perfect. >> Sure. >> Before you testify, if you could just describe the where the subdivision line is just maybe that'll be helpful so the board can understand. >> Sure. So, what you see in front of you is uh one of our drawings that was
already submitted to the board. That's the landscape plan. Um, and what Michael is showing is a blue line that is bicting the subject property, which is block 3801, lot 1.02.
The existing lot is comprised of approximately 1.94 acres. And we are proposing a subdivision line along the blue line that will create two lots. The one on the left hand side is going to be
known as lot 1.021 and that will have an area of 1.49 acres and the lot on the right hand side will be lot 1.022 with an area of one of 0.44 acres.
Um, both those lots meet the minimum area requirement of 15,000 square ft and both lots also meet the lot frontage minimum of 100 ft. Um, the lots front on Asbury Avenue to the north and Cookman
Avenue to the south and they're also um adjacent to the Cove development on the west side. So the property is currently undeveloped with a maintained lawn and um some trees at the what we call the triangle which
is the eastern end. Elevations on the site vary from approximately elevation 14 to the west sloping down towards the east to about elevation 8.5. This property is located within the
Wesley Lake flood plane and the flood hazard elevation in this area is elevation 11 which is based on the grandfathering since as you heard Miss Phip Smith described this project was in
front of the board back in 2022. So this is a continued application in the D's eyes as well. So, we are proposing three buildings. Michael, if you could please zoom into building one. That is a building that
fronts on Asbury Avenue. It is a fivestory multifamily building with 50 residential dwellings. Building two fronts on Cookman Avenue. It is a fourstory town home building
containing nine town homes. And then building three is a threestory mixeduse building that has approximately 5,000 square ft of commercial space on the lower level um
and eight residential dwellings on the second and third story. So we're proposing a total of 67 residential units. The buildings are in compliance. Um, as far as zoning goes, they're in
compliance with the zoning parameters. The permitted heights in this area vary from 4 to 8 stories, and we're proposing buildings that are three, four, and five stories. So, we're below the maximum permitted.
The project will have vehicular access from two points. There is a full access driveway off of Asbury Avenue, meaning it allows left and right turns. And then there will be a oneway into the
site which uh is on Cookman Avenue. Originally, we had proposed a full access driveway, but at council's um request, this was converted to a oneway into the site.
As uh for this project, no on street parking spaces will be eliminated. We have lined up the driveway such that on Cookman Avenue, it lines up with an existing street with St. James. And on Asbury Avenue, again, it lines up to the
north and there is no um need to eliminate any on street parking spaces. >> Hey, Lena, I don't mean to interrupt your flow, but if you don't mind explaining to the board maybe the positives of you all lining up cross streets. So what that does for us is lining up to the cross streets is for
example if there was another for the residents that live there if they're facing a cross street they're going to see the headlights from their uh living rooms potentially coming onto the living room and then becomes a nuisance. So lining up the driveways
eliminates that possibility and it's also good site design in terms of lining up the streets and creating proper intersections. So it's a much safer traffic design. What what street does the Asbury side um >> Berg
>> Berg that's Berg >> and just just to reiterate what Lena is saying optimally and this is my opinion it is the most efficient way to have access to your site instead of opening up the road you lose parking you do have
some detriment if like Lena said if it's headlights into your home and even though they're not signalized it is more efficient traffic to have them at an intersection So that said, as far as the on-site parking for building one, we're required
to provide 75 parking spaces since there are 50 uh residential dwellings in that building. We are going to provide 52 parking spaces inside of building one in the parking garage, which is at the lower level. and you're going to hear
more from our architect about that. And 26 surface parking spaces. So that means a total of 78 spaces for building one. For building two, we're required to provide 12 parking spaces for the nine
town homes, but we are providing 16. I'm sorry, I messed up messed up the buildings. Um, for building two, it requires 14 parking spaces, and we are providing a twocar garage and a twocar
driveway for each town home. So, per the residential site improvement standards, you cannot count that as four parking spaces. You're supposed to count it as three and a half. So, therefore, we're providing 31 parking spaces for the town
homes. For building two, we're required to provide twing three, we're providing 16 parking spaces and are required to provide 12. So therefore, the total proposed parking spaces for this site
are 125. Um 14 of the surface parking spaces will be Eevee make ready and we have two more that we are going to provide inside of building three
that meets the required minimum. We ran as part of our site design we ran turning templates for the design vehicles meaning the refuge vehicle as well as an emergency vehicle and Michael if you want to provide them. We will certainly
>> I'll just pause for a moment here. Probably for the record, it probably was best to label that first exhibit we were looking at. We'll label that A1. It had been previously submitted, >> but that is the landscaping plan, correct? >> Yes. >> But that is that is sheet eight of 18. >> That first one? >> Yes. >> And which and which one are we looking
at now? >> That's eight of 18. >> Yep. That's the one we've been looking at. >> No. Um, actually >> the landscape plan, >> right? That was the first one we looked at. What's the next one? >> The next one is turning radius >> is an exhibit that was prepared by FBA.
It's dated 228 I believe. >> Yeah. Which show what which sheet is that? >> Uh that has not been submitted. That's an exhibit 223. >> Okay. So it's a new exhibit >> called truck turning exhibit. It's a one of one >> and this is prepared question
>> and it was prepared in response to questions from the board's engineer. Correct. >> Correct. Yes. >> Please proceed. >> So we'll mark that as A2. >> Correct. So, this exhibit shows the garbage truck as well as the emergency vehicle
negotiating the site. And Michael, if you could go to the next turning exhibit, which is >> Can you zoom in? Or I guess yeah, that's fine, too. Whichever one you want to do, Lena. And I also wanted to show the next exhibit which is the passenger vehicle
turning exhibit which is also sheet 10 of one prepared by FBA dated um 223 titled garage turning exhibit. So that >> we'll mark that as A3. >> Yeah. >> That shows a passenger vehicle
maneuvering in and out of both of the garages. >> And if you don't mind to zoom into building three. That's that was my main >> building three. >> Yeah. So, if someone's pulling in and so that's going to be one way in and out. My only concern is if you have someone pulling in and someone trying to pull out at the same time, it's going to be
very difficult. >> I don't know if you showed it. No. Not maybe. So, like what's Michael? Do you want to stay on that one please? To the left. So, Lena, what's what's this one to the right? Building three. >> That's them. >> That's them backing out. >> Backing out on it. Yeah.
>> Yes. That's them backing out and then pulling out. >> All right. Did you investigate is there any other way and I know that this is there any other way to get your vehicle in and out or maybe changing up those radiuses to get the car in if both cars are coming in and out? Did you look at I'm just curious. >> Well, again, we have only 16 we don't
have that much parking in there, so it's probably going to be very low volume. >> And you know, they do have a I would say a good amount of stacking, too. If they needed to just wait for a second, they're going to be off the street in case there's an emergency vehicle. You could definitely stack. >> The only reason I'm bring there. >> The only reason I'm bringing it up, I do
agree with that 16 spaces, you're probably not going to have the most heavy traffic pattern flow going. However, again, like if someone's pulling in and someone's pulling at the same time, I just wanted to make the board aware it will be tight. It's hard. >> How large is that opening? >> Uh there. >> Well, that
>> is that like 14 ft. >> The apron. >> The apron. The garage opening. >> The >> Yeah, the garage. We have 24 ft on the actual uh asphalt there leading up. >> Right. And how much going into the building? >> That I'm going to defer 24. >> So that's that's fine.
>> That's fine. That's fine. Okay. Okay. And um >> Okay. Are is the engineer going to go over this later on to show us any of this or or is this the only time we're going to see this? meaning meeting meaning the um meaning because I'm
always most interested obviously in like let's say the leftmost spot you know the most precarious spot. Are we going to talk about that or are we just saying that oh look everything's good. >> I'm just asking cuz if we're not going to talk about it
>> anywhere else I'll talk about it now. >> I think now is the time. >> Now is the time. Okay. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. >> Go ahead. >> Clarification. The garage door opening for that building is 16 ft. So your question, >> so it's not 24.
>> The pavement width is 24, but narrows >> to 16 >> to 16 to get in and out. >> So there's a garage door on building three that's 14 ft. >> 16 >> 16 ft.
>> Okay. Okay. efficient for two-way traffic. >> You ask me, I would say yes. Yeah, it's tight, but yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can we um Is there a reason why we
chose in the bottom right we chose like a middle spot to discuss as opposed to most the most precarious? >> Well, we have that actually in the upper on the top. >> Show me the most precarious spots >> on the top right. Michael, no. No. Yeah.
In there. >> Okay. So, where are we? We're in building three. >> Yes. >> Okay. And so, the garage door is right there. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we do have bike storage actually. So, it's really that the first spot is offset slightly because of the issue
that you were talking about that it can be a little bit tough to maneuver >> in and out. >> So, just to point to that on Michael, if you could point there. So, the bike storage is in what? >> Right there. >> The area closest to the door. That's correct. >> Yes. >> And then the first parking space is actually then approximately 9 ft up. Is
that correct? >> Right. >> So, so will we talk about bike storage later? >> Uh, yes. >> With the engineer. >> I will have the AR. So, so uh is the engineer. We'll have the architect talks about bike storage. >> Yeah. Let's talk about bike storage later. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And that was going to be my next point
to state that bike rooms and bike storage will be provided and the architects would address that as all of that is inside of the buildings. All right, continuing on then. >> Um, loading for the buildings would be done from the striped out areas on both
Asbury Avenue and Cookman Avenue. Um, there are existing areas that are already cross-hatched so that there's no parking allowed. That's what we would utilize for loading. Some of that cross-hatching is going to be dispersed though now though because
you're going to be adding the accesses. >> We're going to be adding what >> the accesses in off of Cookman. So like if you go into if you don't mind zooming right there, Michael. >> So like you see how like that's hatched now, but that's not going to be hatched. >> But there is to the right and left of it. There's still some more crosshatching there.
>> Yeah. No problem. I just want the board to see. >> Yeah. Can we go to the one on on Asbury? Were you saying that there's some hatching in the middle of the in the middle of the >> It's not there. The one that's a little further to the right. There's one to the right again. >> To the right. Now, is that because uh is that is that there today?
>> Yes. >> And has the the the developer already uh upgraded all of that? Their infrastructure is already done. So, I'm asking >> yes, >> the infrastructure is already finished. >> Ecape is already finished there. >> Okay. So, is there a reason why we need
that cross-hatching there as opposed to putting parking spaces there? Or is it just because it's like one of those super blocks that we need? There's a fire hydrant, but you only need 15 ft for a fire hydrant. There's certainly I mean, if James was here, I would ask him. There's certainly spaces that look like they could be picked up. You do have an old access. There's a gate going
to this exact site. Um, to your point, I think it's a good thing to put up to put together. Maybe we could look to find some more spaces. >> Right. I I think that that there's there's an awful lot of that going on on this on this um on this application. And I know that you'd mentioned that there
was no um there were we you weren't taking any spots, >> correct? >> Were you giving back any spots? >> They are over on parking, but that's not >> No, no, no. I'm No, I'm not in or inside. I'm saying outside. >> There's no change. >> There's no change. It's even. And we're
going to look to see if we can get gain some by some of this cross-hatching. That may not be necessary, but that's up to that's up to our transportation. That's not I'm just saying that that's something that I think we should really look into to see if we can gain any spaces and >> it's not solely within the applicant's
control. >> You're you're absolutely right. But I'm just saying for I'm going to put that as a note that we have to kind of take a look to see if we can gain any cuz you know we always like to gain a spot or a couple of spots. Okay. >> So as far as pedestrian access to building one, we are proposing two doors
that are facing Asbury Avenue. On building two, the town homes will have doors facing Cookman and only Cookman. There are no rear doors uh in either one of these buildings. And
on building three, the residential access is actually on Cookman Avenue. See that set of stairs that Michael is kind of highlighting? That's the residential access. And as far as commercial access, because this space, we don't know yet what the who the
tenants are going to be, where they exactly want the doors. So, we're trying to design it with as much flexibility as possible. So, we're showing multiple doors, uh, three doors in Cookman Avenue, one at the point, um, again to give somebody flexibility.
And as far as pedestrian access to these buildings, um I'll describe in a little bit more detail, but you see that there's an elevated walkway shown in brown. That is because the buildings have to be have their finished floors elevated to
be above the flood hazard elevation. So in order to provide uh ADA accessibility, we have to provide ramps and um basically ramp up a walkway to those
doors. The ramps will be provided for both the residential access for building 3 on Cookman and then there's a ramp on Asbury Avenue and there's also sets of stairs that lead to both uh entrance points.
uh the sidewalks and the streetscape improvements will be provided in accordance with the redevelopment plan. Um I also wanted to note that at the point where the streets intersect we have reserved a location for public art and understanding again that the final
approval will be given by city council. I also wanted to note that the area between buildings one and three where the subdivision line is um will have a um a stone surface treatment and that
area will also be gated. Um most of this area will contain meters so we don't really want people walking around there. >> Leer before you jump on uh as per conversations in the past I see that you also have stone around the transformers.
I'd request from the director of planning if we could do mulch and no stone outside of the center of your building. >> So when we >> butts the sidewalks, we don't want stone. >> Yeah. >> So we're okay with stone on regular like
in between those buildings. We're okay, >> but just on the sidewalks we don't want. >> Yeah. Just against the sidewalk. >> Yes, please. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Correct. This is not next to the sidewalk. Refues and recyclables will be stored within
the buildings. Um I will let the architects describe that. Uh pickup will be by a private hauler and um I can say that for on pickup day the refues and recyclables will be wheeled out. For building two will be by the residents.
And again you'll hear more from the architects on buildings one and three. As far as site design for grading and storm water management, um we're maintaining the existing drainage patterns. Generally speaking, as I
noted, the site slopes from the west to the east. Um the grading is held by the pedestrian and vehicular access points. Again, we're meeting these um existing streets. The site is graded to direct the runoff
into a proposed storm water management system. And maybe Michael, if you can go to our grading and drainage plan, which should be either sheet three or four. We can just highlight that. >> And so we'll mark this then A4. This is
the grading and drainage plan. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. So as far as storm water management goes, since we have an undeveloped property and we are proposing to develop it in this case, we have to provide storm
water management in accordance with the residential site improvement standards and uh 7 colon 8. Um the buildings and the parking lot will be directed to a series of storm water
management measures. There is a fire retention basin proposed outlined in an orangey color. Um in purple there is a underground storm water management system that will be under porest
pavement. Then there is a underground basin in yellow under the garage and of building three. And finally, there is another underground system in green um that also
manages building uh runoff from building three. The storm water management measures were designed to address quantity meaning the increase in storm water runoff quality which is to provide treatment to 80%
total suspended solids removal. Groundwater recharge. Although we're not required to provide it being that the site is a disturbed urban redevelopment area. Since some of the storm water measures provide infiltration, we are therefore promoting infiltration and
believe that this is a um an enhanced design. And all of the proposed measures are green infrastructure measures, meaning they meet the New Jersey DP's latest um rules for green
infrastructure, which means providing small storm water management measures that locally treat the water, the runoff. The buildings as I noted before being that the site is in a flood plane all
buildings had to be elevated above the flood hazard elevation. The flood hazards elevation in this case is elevation 11. All of the finished floors are above elevation 13 providing the required
protection. All utilities will be underground for this site. Uh, buildings one and three will be connected to a sanitary sewer, an existing sanitary sewer on Asbury Avenue. Building two will be connected
on Cookman. Uh, water connections will be provided on both Asbury and Cookman. Electric and gas meters. If Michael, if you could please zoom in to building one. They're going to be on that east wall that's facing building three, so
really not visible to uh to the residents. Um, for building well for building three, they're going to be on that side. So, this is kind of a utility area. And for building two, they will be located on the west wall.
The transformers for the buildings, for building one, there's a transformer um off of Cookman, I guess you could say. Also, for building three, there's a nearby transformer. And for building two, the transformer is on the west side.
We have reached out to the utility providers and obtained will serve letters for electric, gas, communications, water and sewer. And all those letters will be provided in our next submission um landscape design. You can go back to
she >> before before we go to landscape, if you don't mind just staying right where you are there. Can we talk about and and Sam, you can help me out here. those trench drains on Cookman. >> The trench the >> Is this going to turn out just like what
happened on Lake A and we had like 10 >> So, oh, you're talking about the trench >> 10 trenches going across Lake A. She's >> talking about the utility services to the town homes. So, with Paul Brothers, what we experienced is that they wouldn't run one main. They wouldn't run one service off of their main to then feed into all of the town homes. So what
you got left with was with Toll Brothers, it was like 16 trenches on each side, >> right? We had all these trenches and then everybody had to go over the trenches and they had to >> asphalt, you know, they had to pave them again because everybody was it was like going over a railroad track. So I was
just wondering what are our options to not have that happen on Cookman? the unfor the unfortunate >> well >> well I was going to say we had you know requesting of New Jersey American to go into that um to the utility water clo uh area because we're going to be
sprinklering this building so we do need to provide fire service so it would obviously be easier to go off of there as far as sanitary sewer we're actually running a lateral >> it's really water and gas can the truth is they utility companies play god for
lack of a better Like there's they could you could request it, they can say no, >> right? >> You know, >> so we're going to have about 10 trenches going across Cookman >> while during construction, >> right? If you could request that we don't if we have maybe like So what we try to do during with Toll Brothers is we try to request that they would have
one >> larger service off of their main asking for like a two inch. >> Yes. Yeah. They didn't they didn't go for it. So I think that the best that would be if you could request to do that. Yes, we would like you to please request that. And I know that that some
of it is not in your power, >> but >> these are very busy roads, >> right? >> Jeff >> and obviously construction will take a while. >> Can you put a time from after after utility connection that the road will be
repaved? Is that possible? >> Well, be part of the CL process and the city has its own road opening permitting process. >> Yeah. Just so I'm clear for the record, the service lines we're talking about were they >> water and gas? >> Water and gas.
>> So there's a sanitary medical >> they should probably from their town they they can do that internally. >> But how did they run the gas through the meters into the main every single one and so then they'd have their their >> So okay. >> Yeah. That's why so if you went down
lake you'd see >> those. >> Yeah. So that's so you understand what what the impact was to the public. So we're just trying to avoid that also on a main street. >> Yeah, we we understand. I think the issue is obviously ultimately it's
decided by the utility but we understand the request. >> You can ask for that to to minimize disruption. That would be really great because otherwise that's going to get paved again. >> We're going to be multiple pavings on that street. >> Well, and it's also disturbance in the sidewalk.
>> Oh yes. Yes. It's everything. >> The street trees already are papers. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We definitely don't want to dig up the work we've already done. >> I know. But you know, >> they won't. >> We like to mention it because we want to learn from the past.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Understood. >> So, the landscaping >> le I don't mean to cut off just because I didn't want to mess up your your flow. Just to reiterate, I think for the the oddshaped lot and it being nearly 100%
impervious, they have done a really good job providing four basins, all of which meet the reduction, meet your water quality. They don't have to provide recharge. They did provide recharge. I just wanted to throw it out and give credit where it's due, just so the board was aware. >> Yeah. I'd like to once once you get to
the uh which we're trying to get to is to the landscape. We like to see how much green space there is or what there is and you know the rain garden and whatnot. Well, it's weird. It's actually being called a bio retention basis, not a rain garden. >> It's a It's the same thing. >> It's the same thing. Okay.
>> Bio retention basin is more of an accurate storm water management term. >> Okay. >> All right. Let's go. >> Okay. So, the proposed landscaping uh consists of a mix of ornamental and evergreen trees, shrubs, ground covers.
Uh the plan plants are a combination of native salt spray tolerant and seldom or rarely damaged by deer plants. Um the streetscape will have 19 new trees and those will be installed by the master
developer and most of those trees um they're on Cookman. Asbury Avenue has the trees already installed. Um so as we noted there is a proposed rain garden or a bio retention system that also has
specific um landscaping criteria that have to be met and that's a mix of ground covers, perennials and grasses. It's going to be a very natural looking environment. I also wanted to note that on the westerly property line there's about a
10- ft strip between the parking and the adjacent property. Um, currently there's some grasses there and I believe it was in the TRC that we were directed that we should try to do something uh with more evergreens or mitigate the impacts of
headlights for that area >> BMS or something something has to be there. >> So what we have proposed is a mix of evergreens and then Michael if you could go to the next exhibit where we >> So this is a zoomed in new exhibit. We'll mark this one as A5. This is A5.
What would you like to call this one? at a landscaping exhibit and this was prepared by FPA same date 223 sheet 101. So what we did is a uh aerial overlay over the landscape plan and color
rendered the proposed plantings you can see in green. And if you could also zoom in the perspective, we took a Google Street View photo and then rendered in the evergreens. And they're also rendered in at the height that they're going to be at installation. So we
didn't even project any uh growth on this. This is just an installation. You can see that this area is I would say it's almost like a garden area which is actually looks very nice. Um it has a lot of landscaping on the adjacent property.
So we thought we kind of want to keep that natural feel and and go with the evergreens. >> And just so we're clear, there's two walkways there, correct? One walkway is like a public walkway. >> Correct. One that's the one on the right hand side that Michael is pointing to. That's the public walkway. And then
there's a private walkway that's I believe just for the Cove residents. That's on the left. That one again, we're not touching that at all. That's not our property. We're just coming up to the property line which is the edge of the easterly walkway.
>> And what is the distance there from the building to either the walkways or or the other building? Um, can you measure and again this distance that Michael is measuring is from the corner to the property line. So it's just the corner
is about 21 ft to the property line and 41 on the further corner. Are those evergreens also going to be at that corner? Um here are coming all the way down here
because people are coming in through here. Are they also here? Because people are coming through here right there >> right >> to prevent any spillage into this area. So, I'd like that to be here as well because people are coming into their
driveways and we need to protect this area. >> I will take a look at that. That might be a tough spot. >> We need something there to prevent >> Okay. >> the spillage. >> So, block that off. >> In our report, we had recommended the fence. >> Yeah. Something. I'm just saying
something to prevent >> the plants are going to overgrow into the driveway area. They're going to get cut back. >> Whatever. Whatever works. So, we protect the neighbors. >> Okay. Just so we're clear, the fence is in that area that's being highlighted right there at the end of the drive. >> Is that Is that already there? How high
is that? Is that high enough to move prop? I'm saying if we're adding a fence, you're suggesting it be right there at the end of the drive aisle. Correct. >> Is there already fence there? >> No, she said she's just asking. She's just asking for >> Okay. A fence. Something something
>> just this corner area. >> Yeah. So that the spillage from the people coming into their town homes doesn't go into >> Well, I will just note too that on our proposed town homes, there are no doors in the rear. It's just garage doors. >> Well, but the car still goes there.
>> Yes. No, I know. Yes. >> No matter what, the car goes there. Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. As far as the lighting, we're proposing a mix of polemounted lights, wall-mounted lights, and uh ceiling mounted, which is under the canopies of
the buildings. All fixtures are LED fixtures with a 2,700 Kelvin color as required by the city. The street lights will be conforming to the redevelopment plan and will be installed by the master developer.
And that same style and height fixture will also be used on the site. So it's going to be a cohesive look. Um the parking garage lighting which is interior lighting will be provided at the time of building permit and it will
comply with all applicable codes. And as far as the illumination standards, in our reading of the redevelopment plan, we don't believe that the underlying ordinance applies, but we also do believe that our design is appropriate for this type of setting
and meets the redevelopment standards. >> I did want to just point out that we do, even though I do agree with that, we still hit more than our 0.1% on the property boundary. Just I know that the board is very adamant about that. I don't know if there's more shading specifically on your overhead lights or
your P, excuse me, your polemounted lights adjacent to the cove. >> Well, we could certainly look at that and um >> Can you zoom into one of those? >> So, there's the point4 under the lights that the P2 is what you're talking about. >> It's not egregious, but yeah, the P2s if
you see have point4.3. >> Okay. >> So, we'll take a look at those and see to reduce them down to 0.1. >> Yes, I appreciate that. Most most of those are already at a point one. So, we're >> we're good with that.
>> I'm sorry, Lena, could you just go back for a second to um actually if you can zoom in right where you were? >> All right. So, that's the sidewalk that's connecting into the public sidewalk. >> Correct.
>> And the little public ride ofway. And that lines up directly with the garage, the exiting traffic of the garage in that building. >> So those headlights are shooting. They have a wide open section. I don't Can you flip to the landscape plan?
>> Uh yeah, I see what you're saying. Maybe we can pull that out. And >> I suggest if there's a way we can shift it one way or the other so it's not we get a little offset there. >> Yeah. You know, I know we need for the handicap, but I'm thinking if we provide a ramp right where you have your hand and then go north and then kind of
offset that so that the uh garage opening >> I was thinking if you brought it um south, it would line up uh but you don't have a sidewalk going on that side of the building, right? On the south side of that building spaces,
it's all planting. Okay, >> that's what I'm thinking. To the north that I want to be to the front of the building. >> Yeah. Okay, I think we can make that adjustment. Just to go back just for the record, the lighting plan you were just using, I
just want to mark that as A6. And then finally, just a couple of things on the letters. Um, I think one of the things Mr. Vakian noted about the pavement section, >> but the way we were reading it is that cuz our pavement section is per RSIS,
but the ordinance was just referring to the city streets, >> right? So, that's what I'm talking about, too. It's more so like when you have your trench train, just make sure that everything's restored back to the city standards. Okay. Also, there's another there's another area where there seems to be a high
density of lighting. As soon as you come in from Cookman, there's like I didn't I couldn't tell if there was a pole there on on Cookman, please. >> Oh, >> is there is there a light pole there which says 3.8? No. If you go into the property, >> has to be
>> into the property. Keep going. Right there. There's like a 3.0, 3.8, 3.6. Is there a light there? Because for some reason that everything's higher right there. >> Yeah. I think >> is that a is that a light? It's got to
be something cuz it's bringing up. We'd like to see what that is and to bring that down. >> Yeah, maybe >> because it's much higher than everything because we did things around and modeling. >> I'll double check that. >> Well, we are taking that light, but
that's maybe what it's >> Yeah, it doesn't make sense. The 3.8. No, that that area doesn't make sense. So, if you could just take a look at that to see >> what's going on there. And then I also just wanted to touch upon the construction phasing which is
the last sheet of the plan set. So, it should be sheet 18. again to talk about the fact that we're we're asking for this to be done in two phases. We would start with buildings uh one and two which is the left side and
then once that complete once that's complete move on to building uh three that's in phase two that our work would be coordinated with the city transportation director. The site would be fenced during construction. Uh the temporary delivery
areas would be in the cross-hatched and parking areas on Aspbury and Cookman. And we do acknowledge the summer timing restrictions. We're aware of those. >> Well, Mark, that is A7. That's your phasing and logistics plan. Correct.
>> Yes. >> What sheet was that again? >> 18. >> 18 of 18. >> Will this sidewalk be closed for phase two? I mean during phase one will the whole sidewalk be closed or is it by
phase? I think the intent is by phase for now. But but so essentially you're saying that most of Asbury and Cookmate on that side and both both of those places are going
to be the sidewalks going to be closed. Is that what you're saying during construction? That's what we would propose and coordinate with the city transportation director. Yes, that's >> I hope I hope that's not the case. >> Just to clarify that the logistics plan
is attached to the subsequent developer agreement and there are restrictions in the subsequent developer agreement that we have to abide by that were approved from the city council. >> Okay. >> So, we will abide by the >> whatever whatever the city put in place. That's correct. >> Okay.
>> All right. So the only thing I noted so far, I know you went through a number of the questions already that were in the Ibachian report dated February 17th of 2026. Just one I wanted to touch on which was the size of the spaces outside. >> So it's 9 by 18.
>> I clarified one of the questions. >> Parking spaces. >> Parking spaces. Correct. And then there was a question about the number of HOAs. I believe we can represent it's likely to be three. A separate HOA for each each building. probably three separate. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> So, with that, you'll have some cross easements as far as >> Yes, we'll need to have cross access easements uh in place between lot one and lot two. >> Okay. >> And for lot two, everything's exiting
out onto um Asbury, correct? So for both lots? >> Well, for both lots, but correct. But but yes, in particular, >> you don't need a cross access easement for lot one because that's lot one. >> Correct. Okay. >> So, it's the for the building three will
be entered into from the two driveways and they'll have to exit out onto uh Asbury Avenue. >> And so in the governing documents, you're also going to have to have some agreements between the three HOAs. That's correct. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. The uh ingress only that's coming in off Cookman, I'll just note that that was a specific condition from the city council and that is memorialized in the subsequent developer agreement. and and how the people the folks coming in and out on I mean actually anyone
coming into the development. How do we are these spaces going to be marked or can can I just drive in and use a spot even though I don't live there? It's like what what's preventing the public from
just taking a spot? Curious because it is the beach. Just saying. Uh are you know are these spaces going to be numbered so that they are certain people will own them? >> They will be assigned. Yes. >> So they will be assigned and I'm assuming numbered
>> some way so that anyone can that drives in can't just take one or if they do take one they'll be towed >> and I'm sure they'll be signed appropriately as well and there would be >> right and so we would allow for towing on site the homeowners associations can
be involved in as well. Okay. The left will be the spaces will be deed to each unit. >> They will be allocated to to each unit. Correct. >> Deed or allocated? >> Allocated. >> So what does that mean? So that means if
I sell my unit, I I have a space now. I sell my unit in building one. The person I'm selling to may not get a spot. >> No. I uh what we'll do on that question is I can have a representative from uh
the company that will be building it come up. >> We can do that later after >> to go to that. >> I'm just looking to because if these faces are deed, but you can tell me you can tell me however you guys are going to work it out cuz if I'm buying here, I want to be able to say I have a spot
that I can give to somebody. >> That's correct. I mean, if the spaces are going to be allocated to the units, I will call up a representative to answer that question more specifically. >> I'm sure there'll be other questions to that representative also >> unless unless the architect could answer when we call up each architect.
>> All right. >> All right. So, I think we actually did address most of the comments through testimony from the report that we had from February 17th from your board engineer. There was also a report your board planner CCH dated
February 5th. The only question I had here and I'm not sure whether it's to you or to the architect has to do with the flood vents on the mixeduse building. Should I ask that to you or should I wait for our architect from MVMK and that was in section 3.8. >> Yes, I know. I mean, as as far as my
experience with it, >> I don't believe that the size of the flood vents is restricted to that. It has to be 3 in. I believe it was said. >> Well, I'm sure that we'll have we'll see them in the renderings. We'll see the flood vents. >> So, we'll we'll know where they are and
we'll see them. We'll >> My point though in the report is they're designing a very specific brick pattern with openings. >> Okay. >> Right at the sidewalk. Okay. And that's not something >> and what what's in the architectural
plans is not consistent with the newest flood rags for the size. >> But remember these are for net fill. So that they're not actually the >> it's still the um ASC 24. >> No, it's not actually you you have to do
it differently because this is to provide a free flowing water. This is not venting it to provide wet flood proofing. >> Right. I'm saying it's not because I understand but I think disagreeing on what the requirement is.
>> The requirement is set by the D >> and ultimately we have put in an application >> for CARE compliance and it is being reviewed by the D. So I would imagine if the flood vent size is not compliant that they would have to tell us to
enlarge it. >> The secondary the secondary problem though is And I I don't know if it makes better sense for when the architect comes up because we haven't looked at that side of the building yet. We don't know what it really we haven't talked about that. But there's a bunch of openings
right at, you know, people level right adjacent to the sidewalk. They're just holes in a wall. And it just seems like a perfect opportunity for holes to be blocked up with. >> Yeah. Anyone can anyone can block up a hole, >> right? >> Yeah. So, I don't know that it's the
best solution to the problem given again this urban setting. There's a lot of people in the summertime carrying things that they don't want to keep carrying. And I think it's just going to be a
debris collection and it's going to screw up, you know, the ability for flood waters, but also create debris under the building. But it but normally from what we've seen, we have not had them wide open. There's usually been some sort of a
>> Exactly. >> So why are these wide open? >> Don't know. >> Can't we? >> So I'll have the architect. >> That's fine. >> We can wait. >> Is there anything else that I neglected to address? Looks like no. >> So I had another comment. Um, in the
townhouse area, I guess during the TRC, there was going to be that decorative PA between the units, between the garage spaces. Are we not doing that? We're still going to provide some type of separation. I'm not sure if it's going to be a PA band or stamped asphalt,
stamped concrete, but something to delineate the driveways will be provided. >> And there's nothing on that delineation. There's not no HVAC, nothing on those delineations. >> No. Okay. Um, we also had requested that
we're screening the transformers. I didn't catch that. In the TRC, we have recommended screening the transformers. >> You could show the planting surrounding the transformer. >> Okay. So, we have that already. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> Do you want Can I just Can I recommend,
Madam Chair, that we pick a material that's going to be used just so that's all in the plan so they they don't get to choose it? >> It's up to you all. Do you want papavers? The the reason I bring it up is stamped like the stamped concrete isn't actually really always stamped concrete. It can
be, but a lot of times what people can do is just put like a small thin layer of tuminous asphalt and stamp it. It comes up and appeals. It looks hideous after 3 years. >> Where where are you specifically speaking of in between the driveways, >> right? >> Garage spaces. >> Yeah. A little. So in the TRC brought up
it was talked about delineating. I'm just asking or requesting that if you all have a material that you have in mind or prefer to choose it now so then we get to know what we're dealing with construction. >> I think that that you guys should suggest what it is.
>> Well, would be willing to uh put pavers in if that's acceptable. >> Again, it's up to the board. >> Stamp concrete. >> Is pavers okay? >> Better than stamp concrete. I >> agree. >> Okay. Pavers it is. >> Okay. And then do you have any objection
to our plant material remarks? >> No. >> Okay. >> We will work with your office. >> I don't have any further questions for our civil engineer. >> Okay. Any any uh any other questions from the
planning board members? Um, just could we just go over the safety uh on the when you approach on the sidewalk to the driveways in both both areas? I um there's a detectable warning
surface down by the curb. Are there any other like warnings, safety precautions? >> Only at the pedestrian crossings. point out where those are. >> Yeah, I see where those are.
>> Okay. I just get worried about when there's a lot of people in the summer um and cars coming going out of there. >> I think that was one of the reasons why the council made that particular driveway ingress only. Mhm.
>> Any other questions from planning board members? Any questions for our professionals? >> You okay so far? >> Okay. All right. If the public would like to ask any questions about what was
discussed, feel free to come up and stand in line. Uh remember that we have to limit it to what was discussed cuz there's much more to be presented. >> Correct. And and specifically the drawings that show what the buildings will look like and their height will be
the next two witnesses. >> Right. >> Do I have to do I have to is it like a meeting where I have to give all my information? >> Yeah. Just a second. >> You're just you're just going to state your name. This is not sworn testimony. You're not providing comments right now. It's only for questions. Yep.
>> Okay. Okay. Great. Hello. Um, I think I wanted to ask a question. Can >> you state your name? >> Oh, sorry. As I asked that question and then just don't do it. Rebecca Carvalo. >> Please spell your last name, Rebecca. >> Yeah. C A R Vas in Victor. A L H O.
>> And where do you live? >> Oh, okay. Um, my whole address. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. 801 Kingsley Street, Unit 2, Asbury Park, New Jersey. 07712 which >> okay >> 801 Kingsley Street unit 2 is planned. Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Am I good? >> Yep. >> Okay. Um I had a question. I think it's exhibit A3. I wanted to look at um what we think we're talking about like cross-hatching on Cookman. No, not Cookman. Excuse me. Asbury A.
>> A3 is the passenger vehicle turning exit. >> Oh, is that what that is? Okay. Maybe it's a I wanted to look at um the the loading zones like where those are. >> Okay. >> A1 the landscape. >> Is A1 the best one >> on Asbury you say?
>> On Asbury app. >> Yeah. So my question um so first the the loading zone kind of where the um this the line is between the two different sites. So that right
now is um a fire hydrant area. Correct. >> There is a fire hydrant there. >> Okay. And so how is that a loading zone if you can't cuz you can't park there. >> What >> you weren't saying. You were saying
>> she's asking >> I'm saying that there are plenty of cross such as that can be used for lower. I believe testing questions that you're using those sort of >> I think the testimony was all the crotch crosshatch areas are loading zones
>> that was so I'm asking specifically first about the one where there's a fire hydrant and how it's a loading zone >> hydrant. >> We'll we'll take another look at that hydrant location and then maybe we delineate the 15 ft to the hydrant as the loading zone because this loading
zone is larger. I think I don't think that would cut though. >> I from a from a legal standpoint, you can't park in front of a fire hydrator, >> right? So my can't be a loading zone, >> right? So that's my that's my question was how are we calling how is the engineer calling it a loading zone when
in fact you cannot load or unload in that space. >> So 15 ft from either side of the fire hydrant you can't but that might be larger than 15t but they're going to have to look at that. >> Okay. So I would obviously think that needs to be addressed you know. Okay. Um, so second going to the ingress and
egress on um Cookman, not Cookman. Why am I doing this? Asbury. Um, sorry. Um, there the I know you said it. Um, I live right there. Why don't I know it? But I think it's Burger or Hec. I can't remember which. B. Thank
you. So, there's two sets of crosswalks that I think are shown on those plans right there. >> Yes. How are like like what's the plan with kind of the crosswalks functioning and cars coming in and out of that space?
>> Well, similar to if it was a street you would have, you know, you have the crosswalk, so you got to watch for pedestrians. >> Okay. And so, and are you planning, are you envisioning that you're going to be able to make a left-hand turn out of that? >> Yes. And how is and have you considered
how that's going to impact the significant pedestrian and um bike traffic on Asbury A? >> It would be the same as coming out at any other location. Again, you have to pay attention to the pedestrians, the
crossings, and respect the road. >> Well, on Cove, for the Cove development, for example, when you're um you can't make that's that's a one-way street, but you cannot make a left out of that development. so that you're not making a left across one of the major um
pedestrian and bike thorough affairs in the town. >> So why why not why not envision the same thing here where you cannot make a left-hand turn out of that? >> I I don't think that it warrants it even to not to prohibit lefts at this point.
I mean, this was studied for a while and it's lined up with a with an existing city street and left turns are permitted. >> But there isn't a street right there. >> There is. >> No, there is a there is a street. Yes. But that the street starts right where
you're where you have the people going in and out of the car of the driveway. There's no street right there. That's that's land right now. So there isn't currently like an opening there. You're going to be building an opening >> when you drive, >> right? So, it's not currently being used like that. Did you >> saying we're lining it up to the street
across the street? So, we're creating an intersection. >> Nobody's going to know. >> Okay. But did you did you look into how that might impact the bike traffic and the pedestrian traffic? >> Well, there was a traffic study prepared
for this site. >> That's correct. So the traffic >> so the traffic study was submitted to the council because the council ultimately was reviewing the ingress and egress and it was done not just for this project but by the master developer. I I am sorry if my back to you but face you
it doesn't pick up here. Um it was it did involve this development and also the proposed developments on block 302 and 383. um so that it wasn't just looking at this in an isolated manner and the counts were taken over the summer months
instead of in the offse. Um the council did receive that traffic study as this is a permitted use. The planning board uh is not the body that reviews the traffic impacts for permitted use. But we did submit that to council before the
council um voted on the subsequent developer plan and the mass and by when I say we that was the master developer and again in connection with this project and two others so it wasn't taking an isolated view of just one project. >> Okay. Then still in that same area we see more cross-hatching which again the
testimony was that was loading zones. I'm confused as to how that like how is that space where the girl where the >> we lost you. Okay. Um, so first you have like the cross-hatching where the driveway goes in and out. Like how is that a loading
zone? >> And then >> that would be actually that will be removed. The center portion won't be removed. >> Okay. So that won't be and then on the two other sides of the crosswalk. Um I'm just like is that where cuz as of
right now the only loading area it looks like that would exist on Asbury A is on either side of those crosswalks. Is that correct? >> Right. But I guess maybe when I say loading zone I'm thinking a FedEx truck or deliveries or or mail or were you
thinking movements? >> No, I'm thinking of like the day-to-day deliveries that are going to happen and clog. You know, again, there's a significant amount of both pedestrian traffic, scooter traffic, bike traffic, car traffic on this road. And so I'm
there obviously needs to be a place for you can't have like double parking, right? That's going to be really dangerous. So I'm just trying to figure out where those where that's going to happen. Like so for example, I would think like don't you need something by building three because that's where the retail is and that's where you're going
to be having a lot of deliveries. So there's actually right there is another crosshatched area by building three. >> Okay. So that's where they're going to have to do their >> their loading and unloading is right there. >> Right. And we don't know also what kind
of retail it is. Keep in mind or commercial things. >> Well, fair. But you are asking for it like it's going to get approved with the loading zones as is. And it can't be like, "Oh, whoopsies. Now now we need like way more loading zones, but you didn't ask for it at this time. That's
correct. So, what we're asking for is we're saying that there's ample loading areas on the surrounding city streets and that's what we're asking to be used. >> Okay. So, and has there been any did the
traffic study think about where these loading zones are on Cookman for example and how that impacts the traffic? It's pretty narrow there that that intersection and you can't, if I remember correctly,
if you're coming down Asbury A like going towards the ocean, you can't make a right. So, how how are those loading zones on Cookman going to be utilized by delivery drivers? Like, what's the traffic flow to get to those loading
zones? Well, I think that would be up to the delivery drivers to coordinate. >> Well, with all due respect, you're asking us to you're asking for this and you said those were going to be loading zones. So, how are you envisioning as the applicant, how are you envisioning
this working? And if the answer is you need to take time to get back, that's fine, too. I just >> Well, what we're saying is that depending on who the tenant is, what kind of deliveries they have, once the first delivery is made, typically then the schedule is established and as well as where the trucks are coming from,
where they need to load, what the timings are. So, that's all established at the time, >> right? But you're not proposing to hold up the approval of the application until you figure out a tenant, right? The application isn't going to be bound on what type of tenant it is. So, we're this is kind of generally speaking. My
question is, how is a delivery driver supposed to get to the loading zones on Cookman? Since we've established there are no loading zones despite what is being shown, there are no viable loading zones on Aspberry A right now. How are delivery drivers getting to Cookman?
Because as it stands, you can't make a right. Like if you're going if you could draw I'm sorry I don't know your name sir but like if you're driving down to the the tip >> right there if you're there you're not allowed to make a right to go on to Cookman and so otherwise what you're
going to have a delivery driver coming down Cookman and like crossing the double yellow and making a U-turn to pull into the loading zone. Like that's my >> from the other direction. >> You'd have to come from Kingsley. >> They come they're going to have to come down First Avenue. >> No Kingsley.
>> Kingsley. But again, they're not coming from like ocean. They're coming from the highway, right? So they're coming down First Avenue then and make a right. >> Okay. So I just want to make that's the answer. I just they hadn't thought about it. Obviously >> coming from they could be you know this
is something that the delivery driver just clarify and then pull into the loading zone. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. And so and my question was, has there been a study about whether or not having loading zones on that part of
Cookman is safe when you think about the biking and pedestrian and um vehicular traffic there? >> I don't recall any testimonial doing a traffic study by your applicant. >> No. And there there's not been any
submitted to this board as far as pedestrian as far as a pedestrian study. That's correct. Okay. Um, I think I think we already said we're going to ask talk about the allocating versus
deeding of parking parking units. >> Mhm. >> Um, >> okay. I think those are my questions for this um professional. Thank you. >> Mike Arllo, South Main Street, Ocean Grove. Barbara, I just wanted to say thank you first for uh for setting the
tone for the meeting and for explaining how the process goes. It was really helpful to hear at the beginning because I think some people might be a little surprised at uh how long it seems like we might be here. Um I'd also like to congratulate the professionals on your presentation. You're you're very thorough. You know your material very
well. So uh I can see that work and I can see the time and energy you put into it. So congratulations on that. >> Michael, can you just spell your last name, please? >> A R V L O. Thank you. >> I just have one question. Testimony was that there's going to be some trees down
at the tip uh in front of retail. Now, when you walk there now, there's that's some of the only mature growth on the whole block. >> So, when you said trees, um I'm I'm only seeing cement and just the trees that are going to be planted in the sidewalk. Are the trees that are there now going to be maintained?
>> They're going to be removed. That was my testimony that there are some trees in that area on this lot that it's currently undeveloped. Those will be >> removed. They're all going to be removed. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Um Haney Abdal, 300 Asbury Avenue, Unit
5, Asbury Park, New Jersey 07712. Um last name is spelling A B D E L A A A L. First question is about um building one. Can you just go over the parking again? So, there's 50 residents and 75
spaces. >> There's 50 residents in building one. There are 52 parking spaces inside of the lower level garage or rather the first level garage and 26. >> So, altogether 77
>> 78 >> 78. So, what is the average unit per dwelling >> for spots? We'll hear from that from the architect about that. >> Well, you can have the architect talk about the unit sizes. >> How much >> the architect will talk about the unit sizes and the bedroom distributions in
the testimony that will come um next actually this building. >> Okay. So when that comes just the question that's going to that I wanted to raise is that how many spots per dwelling and are there enough spots to house the 50 with the assumption that that goes on right because
>> the the application does comply with parking and uh she did testify to that >> it does comply with parking. Um, next traffic. Um, and I excuse me, I
didn't I wasn't a part of the traffic uh update or the flow of there, but when you're going down Cookman, so you're going to have to cross to get over, let's say, if you're going down to get into this parking lot, right? When you're doing the traffic studies, are
you doing them at a certain time? like are is this done during peak >> July >> peak beach season? >> So like I said this >> it's not only July August we're talking about May, June, July. >> Let's leave it to the person that's speaking please. >> Thank you.
>> So just to clarify this board does not have jurisdiction over the traffic study because it is a permitted use. Um I was just indicating that we did provide one to the council and not that I'm testifying to that but those counts were done during the summer months. >> And during what month? the summer months,
>> December, >> summer, >> summer, >> summer. >> Uh, but that was all presented to the council. The planning board, because this is a permitted use, >> it is the council's jurisdiction when deciding what the permitted uses are to evaluate traffic. The planning board when it's a permitted use does not
evaluate um off-site traffic impacts. >> Okay. So, the answer is there's nothing to answer on traffic during that period. Is that the answer? The answer is in front of this board. This board does not have
jurisdiction to weigh in on the traffic for a permitted use. >> But traffic's important for this to be approved. >> So, as part of >> Has that already been approved? I'm just asking the question, has that already been approved? >> Right. The the council when determining what permitted uses are allowed in the
redevelopment plan weighs traffic considerations. So when the plan was waterfront redevelopment plan was approved, it weighed traffic considerations at the time as a courtesy that the council did ask us to provide some updated information and we did at the council level. But at the planning
board level, when you have a use that is permitted, it is um the planning board does not have jurisdiction to deny an application because of off-site traffic impacts at this board. >> So who does or has that already been approved? It's when the zoning was
implemented is that the time when traffic is considered >> and what phase is that? >> That would be by the council. That's happened. >> It happened already. >> Correct. >> So, it's done. >> That's that's correct. >> That was the answer I was looking for. Last question. Um on parking, right? So,
outside the parking there because we're in the cove and um parking during the summer months is just beyond belief. Like, it's incredible. And I'm sure there's going to be spillage just from this residence alone and from this housing alone. So, is there any certain
plan for street parking or zoning parking outside? Because we've got a couple of things. Not only through the May through September months, do we have extreme parking conditions, but the weekends we've got two churches that are running during the day and then we've
got the stone pony and the music going on at night. So, it becomes almost impossible to leave the house during those times if you're zoned in the streets. Is there any plan to do
something about the parking during those summer months? >> This board can't answer that question. >> That's another board. >> Yes, that's that that that has to do with mayor and counsel. This board is reviewing specifically an application and in this particular application, not
what's happening happening on street, not what's happening with traffic, not what's happening with the parking on street, strictly associated with the lot and the permitted use. >> And have those already been approved by other boards? They they have been approved through numerous meetings that
mayor and the council have had um TRC and and a lot of uh planning meetings over the last probably 15 years. Mayor >> probably >> Thank you. >> Can I can I just make one suggestion if
I may? If you if anyone here has any concerns about permits or who gets them, who doesn't get them, come to the come to the parking meetings. There are every first Monday of the month. >> Wednesday. >> Was it Wednesday?
>> First Wednesday. >> First Wednesday of the month. If you would like to, if you have concerns or questions about how the parking permits work, feel free to come and ask your questions there if you'd like. And I I'll just add
one item which is um when the city council approved the this project and allowed it to come to the planning board, they specifically required what's called subsequent developer agreements. And in those agreements, the city mandated that residents of these three
buildings uh cannot apply for residential on street parking permits. Good evening, Andrew Janu 600 Hex Street, unit 6. >> U, just a couple quick questions, Miss Bone. Um, ADA spaces. So, you're allocating 78 spaces to building one,
the condominium building >> total. Yeah, >> total. What is the requirement for ADA spaces? For 78 spaces, >> 2% of the total for the residential. >> So, that would be three spaces. two space 2% of the total >> 2% of 78,
>> right? >> You sure? Okay. >> Um, with respect to the EV spaces, so we have 14 along the uh I guess that's the Westerly property line, correct? Is that intended just for the condominium building or is that open to all
residents in the community? >> That's for the condominium building. That's just for they'll So will they be signed? >> Uh they will be signed as EV spaces, >> right? But will they be signed as restricted for the condominium units? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And will people be allowed to park
there even when they're not charging? >> So we'll have the architect clarify. My understanding is they'll be assigned to a unit >> EV spaces. >> Mhm. >> Kind of. So there'll be a managed system for it. I will have we'll have clarification on
that from another >> um with respect to just your permitting because you mentioned you have a a CAFRA compliance uh review on in process >> submitted. Do you require any other D permitting water sewer?
>> Uh yes we do. We require a treatment works approval for this and uh New Jersey American has a master permit for >> and you're named in the master permit. or do you need to have that updated? >> Um, we will not be updating that. That would be interesting. >> No, I I understand that, but what I'm
saying is their last master permit application. Did they name this project or does that have to be added at their next round with the D? >> Well, they're serving the entire city. >> I I understand that, but you know the process every year they applied to the D for a master permit and they have to name all the projects that they'll be serving in the next year.
>> I'm not sure if they noted it, but they issued us a will serve letter. So, >> yeah. No, I understand that's independent though, >> right? Um, and county approval. >> We have the county approval and we have Rem's approval. >> Okay. Is uh Asbury a county road or is that a local? >> Uh, it's a local.
>> It's a local. Okay. Um, did you do any geotechnical work out here? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, do you know if any of these buildings will be on piles? >> Uh, we have we haven't had testimony on that. If you'd like to answer that, that's up to you, but testimony has not occurred on that.
>> And then the architects will further explain how trash is going to be handled. >> Yeah, that's great. Okay, thank you. >> Hi, good evening everybody. My name is David Lindley. Um 301 Cookman, unit 9 in Asbury Park. Actually, you highlighted
the blue unit right in the middle um across from all of the EV parking spaces. Um I have a few concerns. One is um those parking spaces are not protected in any way for somebody to possibly drive into my living room. Um
there's no boundaries uh for those. Uh the lights come right would come right into my living room as well as the lighting uh for the parking area there. Uh has that been addressed at all? >> Perhaps if you want to pull up that one
exhibit that might be helpful. I think that was exhibit >> that was A5. A5 maybe if you want to answer with that with respect to that exhibit. >> You also you also have a oneway in there
and so every car that comes in off of Cookman will shine its lights into my into my house. >> Off of Cookman, you mean? >> Yes. It's a oneway into Cookman. So, everybody coming from Cookman Avenue who
comes into the the units >> the driveway will will shine we'll shine lights into my unit >> or anybody's unit on that on that side. >> Go ahead. You guys can >> Yeah. >> So, go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> So, I was going to say so this is where we are proposing uh evergreen buffer um that parking strip. Yeah, that's that's that's totally not good enough. >> Totally not good enough. Not enough coverage. >> Not enough coverage to
>> I think this question is for questions, correct? >> Okay. >> In my opinion, >> right? >> Okay. So, yes, you're proposing that in my opinion that's not enough to protect me and to prevent light. >> If you can ask just ask questions, you
can give your opinion later. Okay. >> There'll be a time for public comment. has Okay, so my next question is has there been any any um discussion about the 5,000 square ft of retail space and the parking for that space?
>> Um so the parking for the retail is actually not required to be provided on site. >> That's correct. >> Okay. The next question I have is the walkway on Cookman um is a single walkway. It is extremely narrow compared
to the walkway on Asbury Park. It's >> people can walk back and beside each other on Cook on Asbury Park, but the one on Cookman is a single walkway. Has it been widened? >> It will be widened >> by how much? >> We haven't actually we haven't done
that. We haven't had testimony to that yet. Assuming unless you already know what it is. >> On my plans, we can just measure. Say it's going to be more than 10 feet at least, but it's 20 scale. And just for a point of clarification, so um everything between the the from the property line
out is the responsibility of the master developer. And as you've seen in other parts of town, the master developer has a program where they they do the streetscape improvements. So the storm water improvements, this the sidewalk and the street trees. >> So it would be actually 13 ft minus when
you take a total of 17, but there's the banding where the trees are. So without counting that, it would be about 13 ft wide. And how much wider is that than it is right now? >> I think >> it's probably like five feet.
>> It's more right now. Okay. So, it will be about uh 9 ft wide. >> 9 ft wide. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um the other question is is I have for everybody is the parking study. When was
that done and when when was that was that taken into account? 400 Lake Street and the proposed developments in the area. >> So, it was was not a parking study. The parking here is based on what's required by the code uh by the waterfront redevelopment plan.
>> So, there's no parking study at all. >> There was not a parking study. The waterfront redevelopment plan has a requirement for a certain number of spaces per unit and we exceed that requirement. >> Okay. Thank you.
Joel Golden, 301 Cookman Avenue, Unit 5. Um, I have a question regarding, you'd mentioned on Asbury Avenue the loading zone and you said no spots are going to be
lost. I don't see how that's possible. There's a ton of spots on Asbury Avenue, >> right? on that going down the triangle. There's no spots going to be lost with the loading zone.
>> We are proposing to use the existing crosshatch spaces >> cuz those are diagonal spaces in at this point, >> but there are some spaces that are currently marked out or they're not spaces, they're actually markings where
you cannot park. >> Okay. Um and also cutting across on the Cookman entry. It's either people drivers coming
making a left turn or coming coming from St. James cutting across two lanes of traffic to to get across into that where pedestrians are constantly during the summer. people
walking with kids, bicycles, wagons, beach chairs, and it's going to be a race and somebody it's going to be somebody's going to get killed. >> That's why council asked us to make it a one-way street at
>> it's not going to be enough. Plus the on exiting on Asbury Avenue again, this is not time for comments. If you have a question, please ask the question. >> I don't know if this is the right time or not, but I have a question because you raised it about the staging when the
construction's going on. Um, so these are two major major major streets, Hookman and Asbury. Um, it's hard enough to walk down the streets on any given day. Right now, summer beach chairs, um, to have both of them under
construction at the same time is difficult. I I'd like to know what the staging plan is for all of this so that at least one of the walkways remains open at all times. Um whether it be and again I don't know but staging the big >> small stop for a minute
>> we need to ask questions now but but first what is your name? >> I'm sorry Lorie Myers. >> Lorie Myers. >> Yeah 301 Cookman unit 5. >> Thank you. >> Sorry about that. >> So if you can ask your question. Thank you. >> Sorry. I just wanted to get an idea of what the staging plan then will be, just
knowing that there's concerns about it. Um, and minimizing the impact to the sidewalks and the streets that are important to us to get down. So, what we have proposed is to block off the sidewalk and again that would be
with the transportation department approval. um that is what's part of the subsequent developer agreement. >> I'm asking the planning board to consider a staging plan that does not address that. >> The planning board does not have jurisdiction over that. That will be the
city who makes that determination as part of this process. They're going to deter determine how long um the uh sidewalks can be closed, when they can be closed, which ones can be closed. Um there's a likelihood they probably won't allow both Asbury Avenue and Cookie to
be closed at the same time. So they're going to have to work with the developer on creating that plan. That hasn't been identified yet, but they've done it with team or hundreds of projects before in the city and in general they've done a very good job of doing it.
>> Will there be a staging plan available to see or something so we know from the public standpoint what's happening? Okay, George, one second. So, there is a provision and I'm sorry, Lori, though again the room set up. I have to have my
back when I answer just so it gets picked up by the record. Uh, so the subsequent developer agreement does uh have the logistics plan attached. Um, does specify that a sidewalk must be available for pedestrians during the summertime peak season as defined as
being May 1st and ending September 30th. and covered pedestrian walkways may be required during this time if construction compromises the health and safety of pedestrians and workers. Uh it indicates deliveries of materials will only occur in reserved parking areas during the day and no materials will remain on roadway overnight without
prior permission of the city and under no circumstances may parking spaces and carriageways of any rightaway within the city be occupied between May 1st and September 30th um without being reserved through the city's parking office. So there's there's a number of provisions that are already in the subsequent
developer. Now how those exactly will be implemented will depend on when the construction starts and stops which depends on you know how we go through this process. But the city council does have provisions in the plan that the subsequent developers um will have to
live with. and and just I know there's already been testimony on it, but because it's in two phases, all three buildings are not intended to be under construction simultaneously, >> right? But the two phases are the ret that's more Okay. I mean, the retail the
other two the residential are on both different streets, but Okay, understood. >> Correct. >> Um and we were we did talk about I know this is just a general question on the loading zones. Um, is that counting for um garbage pickup trucks on the loading zone on Asbury Avenue as well?
>> Cuz I don't see any loading zone for garbage. >> There will there will be discussion on trash later. >> Oh, I know that, but I'm just saying because it goes into the loading zone. I realize the trash piece of it. >> The intent for the trash is to pick it up within the site. >> So, the garbage truck will come will come into the site and not be on the
street. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. You'll that will be addressed later. where the trash is. I mean, where where's the where's the dump? Where is the >> trash? The where will be later, but the
fact that it's all internal, >> you you know now. >> But we will had that discussion. >> We will have the architects identify the interior trash rooms during their testimony at least for the two of the buildings. >> Yep. >> Good evening. Tom Gilmore, 1308 Fifth
Avenue, um, Asbury Park. Uh, I just have to get a little better knowledge on the commercial space. Um, in that building now, that that space needs to be elevated. Is that correct? Because it's in the flood zone. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, uh, but the sidewalk stay
stays at ground level. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, on Cookman Avenue, what happens with the entrance there? So there is an elevated walkway that's shown in the brown color. So you essentially come off of the sidewalk.
You either go up a set of steps or up a ramp and that brings you up to the elevation of the >> And where do you get on that elevated sidewalk? >> What did you say? >> How do you get on that elevated sidewalk? Where where on the plans do you get on that? So there is right now
there's a zoomed in portion that Michael is showing in that area or up on Asbury Avenue or at the triangle point. And if you see here too it might be easier when you look at the elevation renderings of the building easier to see what that
elevated >> and those those will come not with the next architect but the one after will show renderings of this building. So, are the ceilings in the commercial space a lot higher? Uh, because you have the on the ramp where the ADA entrance is in
the back off of Aspbury Avenue. >> We will have the architect address the the ceiling heights. We'll have the architect provide testimony on that question. >> But is the commercial what I was asking was is the height of the commercial space because it's
>> the architect will give you elevations for all that. >> I I think I solved the problem. Thank you very much. >> Hi, my name uh Sabel Abuina uh last name Abu Z E I N A and I live in 300 Asbury
Avenue, unit 5. Um you mentioned that all the study the parking been approved by the township council. the the parking is set in the waterfront redevelopment plan and that is we comply
with that requirement and traffic in is is under the jurisdiction of the council initially when they adopted the redevelopment plan. Um and then subsequently each with the subsequent developer agreement we did >> and did we get notice about that about
um because I received the notices about the 200 feet notice about the planning board but I didn't receive any thing about the township council. >> Yeah. The council meeting for this one took place in
>> in March of 25. I do know the council does provide courtesy notices, but there's not a mandated um certified mail for that one. >> Um I I'm a township clerk in freehole township >> and it's mandated the township if there
is any zoning changes anything we have to get noticed. >> That is that would be correct. There has not been a change to the zoning the the zoning the zoning plan the number of parking spaces. Then you can then us here now today >> we cannot do anything about the we're
having problems already about the parking about but we cannot say anything about it like it's not doesn't matter that we're here. >> It's like we're not changing anything. >> Understand what they are proposing complies with the waterfront develop
redevelopment plan and the number of parking spaces they're required to provide. They're not asking for any variance relief. they satisfy the requirements that have been established by the city when the redevelopment plan was adopted. Anytime it's been amended,
all that is all part of what the review is. >> It's different than your typical zoning ordinance. A redevelopment plan goes through a whole process itself like like a zoning ordinance. However, there's there are certain things that the city identifies that any applicant who's
going to construct uh a development within that uh plan, they have to comply with. In this case, what they're proposing complies with the type of use that is permitted. It complies with the type of buildings that are that are permitted and it complies with the
parking that's required according to the zone. They're not asking for relief. I understand and we hear this all the time, not only here but in other municipalities that that uh we represent. Um parking is always an issue in the shore towns. But the bottom line
for this application is this application complies. >> And does the planning board do you care about no jurisdiction living here? Like how they going to live? >> You have to understand the planning board has no jurisdiction over determining whether it it does or does
not comply. The application itself determines that it complies. There's an ordinance. They followed the ordinance. It complies. They provided all of the off- streetet parking they're required to to provide for this application. >> Okay. And did the the building the
number one fivetory and the other one four and the other one three. Did this was approved already? >> Yes, >> this is approved. >> It complies with the redevelopment ordinance. Yes. And does the fivestory building are going to be higher than the cove? >> The architect will testify to that.
>> That's correct. >> The architect will testify as to the relative building. >> This is only this engineer's only site engineering. What's what's happening at the ground level? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Hi. Um David Lley again 301 cook number
nine. Uh I inadvertently asked about um the parking study. What I was wanted to know is when was the traffic study done? >> There was one done. >> So we we mentioned that that was is not part of the testimony this evening, but there was one that was submitted to the
council and it was based on counts from this last summer. >> Okay. And was the development on 400 Lake Avenue and the proposed developments by the Stone Pony and the cycle um area in front of the casino, was that all taken into account for the
study, the traffic study? So, I I can't testify as to the exact parameters of the study, but I do know that what we've submitted took into account this block and across where Tandem is located and the potential development next door to Tandem.
>> Okay. But not 400 Lake Street. >> That I don't know. I can't say one way or the other. I don't know. >> Okay. And the the study was done in August of 2025, you said? >> I know it was over the summer months. I don't >> What year? >> This year. >> What year? this year. >> 2025.
>> 2025. >> So before 400 Lake Street was built >> or even moved into >> it was in this past summer. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Should we take uh take five minutes and have your next witness come? >> Sure. We'll get ready.
>> Five minutes, please. Uh can I get a motion to for five minutes? >> Second. >> All right. All in favor? >> All in favor? Wi-Fi. >> All right, Marie, you want to bring us back? >> Welcome, Marie.
>> Oh, fine. Oh, fine. >> No. >> Okay. Okay. Um, >> I will now take roll call. Um, James Banano is absent. Councilwoman Yvon Clayton >> here. >> Jim Henry >> here. >> Mayor Moore >> here. >> Jen Solder
>> here. >> Daniel Shaneo is absent. Uh, Bob Zuckerman is leaving. Kathy McLaclin >> here. >> Vice Chair Gonan is absent. And Chairwoman Barbara Corzac >> here. Okay. Next. >> All right. Just for the record, I believe Mr. Zuckermanman recused at the
beginning of the meeting. >> Right. >> Okay. So, we have two architects. Uh the first architect will talk about the multif family building of the town homes and then we have a second architect to talk about the building of the point the triangle. So, we will start with uh
Minnow and Wasco and we'll have you get sworn in. >> Great. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> And if you could state your name and spell it for the record, please. My name is Jack Rker. R A K E R.
>> Mr. Raker, if you could please summarize your experience, education, and lensure for the record. >> Sure. >> I have a bachelor's in architecture from the New Jersey Institute of Technology. Uh, I have a license that is current in the state of New Jersey, and I've been practicing in this field of architecture for 30 years.
>> And have you been accepted as an expert in the field of architecture by other boards? >> By many boards, including this board. >> So, we offer Mr. Raker is an expert in the field of architecture. >> Okay. Well, the licenses are in check. >> Excellent. Okay. So, are we are we do we're doing building one and two?
>> We're going to do buildings one and two. And just for housekeeping matters, you have a plan set there that has how many sheets in it. Rather than mark rather than mark each individual sheet, if I could mark the entire 16 sheet set as A8,
>> it's consolidated and color. >> So they're new, they're new sheets cuz they're colored >> the same sheet just with color A. >> Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So just you with all the exhibits if you could just make sure that you can get them. >> I could refer to the sheet number of the
exhibit if that's if that helps. It's your presentation, but we'll let you do, but we're going to mark that as a >> Okay. >> So, I'm just going to call them architecture plans with updated color renderings. When when was the color rendering done? >> For this presentation,
>> so today or >> Yes, >> today. Okay. >> These aren't these aren't the same ones that the that the board has. >> They're the same, but some of the sheets have extra color. When we get to them, we'll describe that >> just so that it's can be described. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, if you'd like to start by describing the first building.
>> Sure. Let's go to the architectural site then, please. >> So, I'm going to be testifying to building one and building two. Building one is the multif family building. That's the building along Asbury Avenue. Um, and then I'll talk about uh the town
homes in the next portion. So the the multif family building is located along Asbury Avenue. Uh the garage entrance is located at the entry section to the left off the pulloff of
Asbury Avenue. Um the garage has 52 interior spaces and that little pink area there that's shown just zoom into that plan for me Michael would you? um that's a lobby area and in that lobby area that's that's an entrance that is internal to
the to the project internal from the street. It's not off of the street. Um there's a lobby from the garage entering that lobby and also exterior uh stair uh doors that uh enter into that lobby. There is a mail and package to the left
as you come in and a bike storage off of that lobby as well. There are some mechanical spaces that are shown in gray. Those are those gray areas that are required to to run the building. Um, all of the now this because it's
rotated, you can see now rotated from the site plan, Asbury Avenue is to the bottom on this plan and that entry drive is now to the right and the access to the garage is shown there on the right. Whereas when you were looking at the site plan, just because it's been
rotated, it's the opposite of what you're seeing on the on the site plan we just showed. Um we have garage spaces. Again, 52 spaces in the garage. All of those spaces will be assigned to a tenant. Um the exterior spaces, if the
there's not enough spaces that could be assigned, there will be some exterior spaces assigned, but most of those spaces will float between tenants. They'll be assigned to that building but not to any specific tenant. >> And they'll be managed >> to the owners >> to the owners. Right. And the management
company or the the the um the condo association will manage those spots. And the same is for the electric vehicle parking. Those are not going to be assigned specifically to a tenant, but they'll be managed by the association. And again, those are charging stations.
People pull in, they have to pay for charging. They'll pay for their charging and then uh move their car. >> Before you go off of that screen, one of those rooms there, I think you said it was bicycle storage. Correct. >> That's correct. Off the lobby.
>> Okay. So, that's different from the set we have. So, that's going to now be bike storage. >> That's correct. >> Correct. I think on the set you have it just was unlabeled storage. It >> was just labeled as storage, not specifically bike storage. >> Do we know how many bikes we can fit there? Um,
>> looks a little small. >> Six or eight bikes. >> All right. So, you have eight bikes there. Where else do we have bike storage? Is this it? >> Uh, we have a potential area in the striped area in the corner that's being unutilized. We could put some uh additional uh bike lock wall mounted
bike lock. >> Right. Cuz we have 50 units. >> So, eight bikes is not going to cut it. So, we're going to need to figure out a way to get more bike storage. >> Get more bike storage. Okay. So, in this building, we have 50 condo units. Um, 22 of which are onebedrooms,
uh, 28 of which are two-bedroom units. The building go just zoom into that plan for me, Michael. So, the building is organized around a central quarter, has two stairwells. All of the units are fully uh, adaptable. Um, we have a trash room. Just point out
that trash room that has a chute in that trash room. All tenants will walk over to that trash room, drop their their trash into that. That will go down a chute into a room in the garage where it's compacted and it's brought out a small two-yard dumpster on trash day.
It's rolled out through the doors. It's managed. They know when that trash truck is coming. It's a private hauler. That trash truck picks up that trash and moves on its way. It's all managed through that trash room.
>> Same way. Okay. Um, let's go to the next. So, we we have a a five-story building, four floors over the garage, and then we additionally all of the floors are identical, so they all stack. At the top roof, we have a nice roof garden, a roof
terrace. Um, nice nice updo outdoor seating. uh nice little green areas. Um and then we take all of the mechanical units that serve individually each one of the units and we place them in the center over the corridor. That's to mitigate any noise concerns, keeps them
in the center, keeps them out of visibility. And then we screen that from the roof terrace so that you won't see any of those condensers and it keeps them fairly uh quiet from that from that roof terrace. >> Is it really lawn? Cuz it says lawn. Uh,
it's likely not green. It It'll be like a turf. >> And And what what's the flooring on the on the roof? What kind of flooring we talking about? >> It'll be like a a tile, concrete tile of some sort on on like stands. Maybe it'll
be We haven't determined its material yet, but it the way the system works is it it gets put on pedestals and it's some type of PA. Could be a wood paver. or it could be a a concrete paver. Uh but we haven't determined that material yet.
>> But it'll be a light light material. >> It'll be a light material in color. All the roof materials will be light in color. Uh floors. Let's go to the material. So, the next thing I'm going to show you
is the is the uh building perspective, show you what the building's going to look like, but I want to go over some of the quality materials that we're utilizing in the project. Um, we're utilizing brick and uh a fiber cement panel, which is a Hardy panel. Um, and
then a sort of a fiber cement woodlook siding. So, it looks like a shingle siding, but it is a fiber cement. It's very stable, and it handles uh the, you know, the the shore elements very well. I get horizontal siding and some all of
the uh the floorboards um are a good quality material um uh fiber cement and uh and better um we have some railings, metal railings and uh some guard
railings in some areas uh along the along the edges. This is what the building looks like. It's got some great coloring. Um, nice quality materials. All uh brick at the base that keeps it very durable where people are going to be up against it, touching it, walking
next to it. And in this view, you can see just zoom in a little bit, Michael, so you can see how that that raised walkway areas because this the floor is elevated a little bit from the ground outside. There's some steps to the left and then a walkway ramp to the right
that gets you up to that main entry. All of the units have nice balconies. This building will get some great views out to the water because of its location. >> And this is Asbury Park, Asbury Avenue facing. >> This is the Asbury Avenue. Yes. Oh, yes.
This is the Asbury Avenue. So you can see the entry to the right off of Asbury and then the garage entry just as you come in there. I'm going to move to the town home building if anybody doesn't have any questions. >> I just have a couple of things here. Um
I I I don't really understand that what he'd mentioned was that you have the 50 units, 75 required spaces, 52 of them are in the garage, and we were talking about the EV spacing
ro EV spaces rotating somehow. >> How are you going to do that? Cuz you're cuz units have to have assigned spaces. >> They do. We are assigning one space per unit and the remaining spaces will float. We
don't know which unit is going to have how many cars. So it's hard to assign every single space. >> But the those spaces will be deed. >> Which spaces will be deed? >> The one space per unit will be deed.
>> I don't think we've ever had an application here where there were floating spaces. >> It just allows >> I don't believe that there have been. I might be wrong. Maybe our professionals know. I don't remember anyone. >> It's actually fairly typical. It allows
the flexibility >> here. I don't recall any application. Do you >> views at Northshore? Yeah. >> Where? >> I think the views at Northshore. >> The one application I was not here for.
>> Fine. >> Yeah. I don't I'm I am not I don't know what anybody else feels like on this board, but having floating spaces, >> but how do you assign a half a space though? If it's 1.5 requirement, you can't assign half a space to a unit. So, you have to have those units those spaces be at least flexible.
>> And I could also park there cuz I'm just going to bring my car and charge my EV space. >> Yeah, but all these spaces are they're signed and managed by the by the by ownership. >> I think there's a disconnect. Yeah, I'm not trying to interrupt, but I think that what chairwoman was saying is that when you're saying floating, I think
what you're perceiving is that they're just going to be free. They're going to be assigned. >> They're going to be assigned to someone. >> You will need you will need a card to park in that spot. >> Okay. So, you you are a resident. >> No one else can use that EV charging
spot. >> They are not allowed because it won't work. >> That's correct. >> That's what I'm Yes. >> You need a card to park in. need a card to use the part to use the evening. >> Yes, but they float between units. >> So now you're >> now you're getting now you're getting a
>> So it's Are you saying so you know what I mean? >> Yeah, I thought I did. Now I'm throwing you off. They're Are they floating? How are they floating between units? >> Unless Unless we can go to another I'll have to call Mr. Mullen. >> That's right. When that when it's time
we we know we have to get back. >> I also I don't mean to interrupt, but I do think we're saying the same thing what you're said. We're saying it differently. >> Yes. >> They're not >> they're not any given day going to be floating from unit A to unit B. They're going to be assigned to unit A or unit B. Is that
>> what you're saying? Right. Yeah. >> I'll have I'll call when you when you get to it. That's fine. >> Yes. >> Another thing about building one. Building one has the um I'd like to request that the EV spaces or any of the
spaces that are facing the cove or um any other building if they have the uh the tire stops like we have in the garage. We already have tire stops. Can you make sure that we put tire stops on those as well so that they cannot go
into someone's backyard or front yard and jump a spot? We usually have that. >> You're talking about the exterior spaces. >> The exterior spaces >> to have the tire stops. >> Yeah. I think there's a curb. >> The curb like the little whatever some way that the car that the car cannot
>> a curb >> there's a curb there. >> Yes. >> And then there's a change in grade >> and then there's landscaping. >> Okay. So, so there's no concern about that. That's fine. I'm good with that. And and one of the other things that you had comment on, if we have power stops in the garage, that means we'll have some space. Yes. In front of the uh
we'll be able to put some bikes there as well. So, we'll make sure we provide enough bike storage for all the units. >> Okay. All right. >> So, on to the town homes. >> On to the town homes. >> Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.
Uh hang on a second. Just um go back to the materials. Okay. Um, so the railings which railings are for where? >> So we we have uh the vertical railings
which are for the decks and balconies and the horizontal railings are on the roof level. >> Oh no, there on the on the ramps. And is that cable railing or is it >> that's a cable railing?
>> So we have had other applications come back after approval to swap out cable railing because they've been problematic. They tightening. They sag. They I don't know. They have issues. Everybody's
asked us to replace them. So just FYI >> right now that's what you're asking for. Make sure >> um are you okay? >> Um all right. >> Wait, wait, wait. And then the garage door. >> Uh go back material
>> material door or >> what's the garage door look like? >> The the garage door is going to be an open screen garage door. >> Yeah, mesh. >> So it's a mesh where light cannot go through like let's say headlights. >> No, it'll let go through. It will let
light go through but it it will diffuse the light >> but also there will be there will be trees to prevent that light to go further >> right and and and actually we have all around the level of the garage there's a
a par a wall small guard wall so it's above the most lights I mean if somebody has a >> right but if I'm saying that when they're coming out of the garage >> Yeah. So when they're coming out, we don't want anyone from the >> across from that that entry. >> That's got to be >> pointed out and we were going to move a
sidewalk. >> It's got to be >> that location. >> There's got to be a lot going on there, >> right? So, and we got them to agree to adjust the location of that sidewalk and they recap space so that we don't have that gap happening. >> Yep. >> Where the headlights where the car is coming out of the garage.
>> Okay. Um >> All right. And then um again, just clarify. So on my sheet it says masonry veneer is are we talking full brick or we doing brick >> full brick. >> Full brick. And so you're using the
fiber cement boards. Uh you've got a uh >> we've got a horizontal >> style. You've got is there also a just plain or is it all board? >> We've got a horizontal and we've got a panel with a with sort of a vertical board element and we've got horizontal.
>> So the board and batton those are battens. If you don't mind to zoom in a little closer, I can I can you can actually see the material. So the board and batten you can see there is the sort of lighter grayer material, the bluish material.
And then the horizontal is the darker material, >> right? >> And then the shingle is to the left. That's the shingle material. >> Right. So the battens are all separate. This isn't like a a panel prefinished,
right? It's separate batt. Yes. Okay. All right. Pan, can you just pan uh >> Okay. And it's the same on all four sides. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Before we move to the town houses, maybe
I could just ask a few questions about the windows and balcony. >> Oh, >> sure. Before Before we I'm sorry. Before we go to the town houses, can you tell me about the um the stairwells, the stairways and what kind of lighting is in the stairwells or stairway so that my
concern is that people are not walking down Asbury and A and see the lights in the stairway. >> So, we're talking about the internal stairways. >> The internal stairway. >> They they are lit. Um, and you can see we do have some small windows in those
stairwells, but they are not they are not you can see that the size relative size difference between the residential windows adjacent. Those are very small windows. We minimize those. >> They still don't want to be walking down Aspbury Avenue and seeing those lights. Also, >> other people have done other things.
What can we do? >> We've we've have sensors inside so they only come on at night when people walk into those stairwells. >> That's fine. We want them to be safe, but we also don't want that to be outside if nobody's in those hallways. Okay, fine.
>> Just a few questions. Um, windows, for example, uh, can you just identify which windows are operable versus fixed and maybe why? >> Well, until we do we there's going to be one window in each room that is operable at least that that I can guarantee. But
what we need to be flexible on is we we may have some uh venting or penetrations that we have to look out for. There's codes around venting and penetrations versus which windows are operable. So we just have to I can't tell you which specific window is operable because we
haven't designed the mechanical systems for the building and where there may be a a vent that comes out that forbids us from making that window. So I think it's I think it's less the you describing what exact window is going to be operable and more so that you're going to provide operable windows where you
can so your tenants have the most open air possible. >> Yes, most likely there will definitely be one per room. >> So in almost every window there'll be one operable. >> Not most likely. >> No, there will be an operable window in each room. >> But is it >> at least one?
>> One of these little square ones or is it going to be the vertical one? >> The the It it will meet our light and air requirements that >> that's not what we're asking. >> Is it going to be a hopper or awning window or is it going to be >> I could say it's a larger it could definitely be a larger window.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Uh and the windows are flush correct. >> Correct. >> And when there's not window sills okay and that just has to do with the aesthetic of the building and the overall design, >> right? Window sills for a more traditional looking building. We didn't
do that on a more contemporary looking building. >> And would you describe this overall design as contemporary? >> Absolutely. >> Now, the the balconies are not supported by brackets. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> All right. So, how how are how do they stay in place if there's no >> Well, they're not they're not projected balconies. They're recessed balconies.
It's supported by the walls around them. And brackets are really again another traditional detail that you would do in a contemporary building necessarily. >> And the plan does favor balconies that are continuous. Here they are not continuous. Can you explain >> why in this design it works better to
not have a continuous balcony? >> Well, continuous balcony if if we had a continuous balcony, we would then have to put prov dividers between them. Change the entire aesthetic of the building. You put then dividers between them. You have all this balcony length of balcony, but you're not really using
the balcony that's closest to your neighbor. It's better to have a balcony that's more private that you can sit out on. You're not worried about your conversation being overheard by your neighbor. And here there's no ground level residences. Correct. >> Correct.
>> And but on that ground level, I see things that kind of look like windows. Can you explain what what's going on on the ground floor? >> Well, we're trying to treat the facade like the rest of the building. We wanted to have that same rhythm and that same quality. So, instead of doing large openings like in a garage, we treat them
like the same proportion as the windows above. But that's not windows. Those are grills. Open grills. And is that to promote air flow for garage? >> Yes. >> So, hang on. Stay on that a second. So, all of those openings on ground level
have a grill. >> Is it again like a a mesh like you're using in the garage or is it more like a louvered pan? >> It's a It's a decorative grill. It's not louvered. It's a decorative grill >> to allow air flow.
Um, and so at that grounds level there, >> there's a discussion about your frontage and how it's screened. How does screening occur between the cars and the the exterior? >> Well, again, we have this sill that's built up that protects any light from
the car headlights coming through. So, those car headlights are not above that sill height. Um, so you're not getting car headlights. that wall drops. Again, that window is not at ceiling level. So, ceiling lights that are light recessed
up into the ceiling are only casting light into the garage. >> Thank you. >> I guess on to the town halls then, >> unless there's any other question. >> Question. Are we going to go out the layout at all the interior >> or is that are we moving on entirely? >> I I addressed the interior layout in
general. I didn't go into specific units unless you'd like to see some of those. as I could. >> Well, we see them on the plans, but I know there's anything you wanted to let us know about the layouts of the units themselves. >> I mean, unless you have a question, I wasn't going to go into the specifics of the units themselves. I mean, they're
all modern units. They're open floor plans, one and two bedrooms, uh, generous kitchens, uh, very large units, 14-,500 ft². And, uh, um, even the one bedrooms are about 11,200 ft². And there
are windowless dens. >> And there are windowless dens. Correct. >> Closets. >> There's a closet. Closets >> there. There's no closets in the dens. No. >> Closets in the den. >> No windows.
>> We don't show closets in the dens. There's closets that >> that are in the dens that project outward, not into the den. >> Yeah. I'm not sure what >> uh I'm on sheet
A7 second through third floor plan. >> Oh, looks like that those will be eliminated. >> Thank you. >> What is that eliminated? >> The closets in that in that den. >> Those closets will be eliminated. >> No closets in the dens.
>> No closets in the dens. And and likely the doors into those dens will have some type of glass or transparent material. >> They will or they most likely. >> Most likely. I I haven't specked the doors yet, but in general, that's practice.
>> All right. We can't depend on >> Well, it's it's nice to have a closure in case somebody wants privacy. Like if they're working, you want to have a little you want to have doors there. >> Absolutely. >> Um but it's nice to have some type of transparency there to get light into that space. Even if the doors are closed.
>> That's why that's why I'm asking will there be >> that's practice, but I haven't specified the doors yet. >> Okay. So, you're not giving me an answer. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> These are also oversized openings on the the door to the dent. Correct. >> That's true. We're showing >> oversized openings. >> Oversized openings. Correct.
>> Good. >> Um I'm sorry. Can you go back up on the roof? Um so you talked about the location of the mechanicals. Um give us a Can you show the elevation view? Are they going to be um screened by the parapit wall? Is there going to be a
mechanical screening enclosure? >> They're screened by the parapit wall. >> Um >> yeah. And there's well I mean two of the sides uh are shielded by planters. The other sides are shielded by parapit wall. And they're a good 30 ft from that
parapit wall. So the chances of seeing those units is very small >> from the ground. but not from another threetory or a four-story building. >> That's true. If you're if you're vicinity, >> if there is a high-rise around, they're going to look down onto those.
>> So, we have fourstory building across the street on Cookman and in the Coke. So, they're going to look right at them. >> Um, but this is a fivetory building. >> Okay. >> And we have, you know, we have 36 in. Those units are probably about
>> 38 in tall. Check >> in the code. which is is that five stories >> which is ination. >> Yeah, it's four stories. >> Um >> but are there are they're shielded, right?
>> Yeah, the parit wall shields and there's also >> shielding so that >> we we don't have any screening around the actual units. Just the parapit wall shields them. >> Oh, just you have screening on two sides where the plants are. >> That's correct. >> Right. AC across Asbury on the Asbury
side and um I've got to flip my head around on the uh western side. >> That's right. Western eastern side >> when um since obviously we aren't going to to to finish these this evening. Is
there a way that we could know how you know what regarding the screening of mechanicals? Just let's just just just say I'm concerned about how high does the cove go versus this because this is a fivetory.
I'm not sure how the elevation is between the two buildings. I would rather that the cove not see >> that if they can if if if the screening is possible, >> but I I can't say that now because I don't know the heights. So, I mean, if
you have that already, fine. If not, when you come back, you can let us know. >> Just see if I have it on my plans right now. >> Mhm. >> I just want to see how much parapit we have. >> Yeah.
So, we have a 42 in parapit. >> Okay. >> And those units are between 38 and 36 in off the ground. >> Okay. >> But I still like to know between the two buildings, the Cove buildings and this building,
>> the the the Cove building is 50 ft. So, it's about a story left. Yeah. It's about >> How tall is this building? >> 56. >> So, this building is higher than the Cove building. >> That's correct. And that includes
the the the parapit wall. >> That's true. >> All right. So this is tall. It >> doesn't include we got another 42 in for the par. So the 56 is to the roof and the cove is 60. >> I'm sorry. 50 >> 50.
>> Okay. >> Okay. And all I'm going to say is that um we want to make sure that the parapit wall screens the height of the mechanical equipment even if it's on a platform or some sort of sound attenuating vibration
platform. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. On to the town homes. >> Town homes. that >> uh could take a look at a the sheet A11. >> When I look at A11, then I look at the
rendering that you have. They don't seem to to match. Which colors are you actually using? >> It's the same rendering that we just showed. >> I'm sorry. >> That's the That's the same rendering. >> He's asking materials list. But look at sheet A11. The colors that you have on
A11 do not seem to match the uh the colors in the >> Yeah, it's it it in a rendering it takes in account sunlight and sunlight side. When you move the sun from one side to another, it changes the lighting and the color of the material where you're looking at an actual sample photograph
of the sample of the material. But if I take that material outside and I I show it to you here and I turn it around, you look at it with the sun behind it, it's going to have a different >> So what you're saying is that that is the color and that these are only a
showing on A1 are only an approximation. >> They're approximations. Yeah, they're that material, that color. We use that, we model that color. We have the RAL numbers, but then the lighting paints those colors, those materials in a different light depending upon the lighting. >> Are we going to see samples? I do have
samples with me. Yes. >> So you're you're basically saying that the colors in your rendering are approximated by a rendering software. >> So why don't you show the materials that you have? >> They're going to be substantially darker,
>> right? Because right now we're in the sun. I'm not sure how to mark these for the record. >> Someone wants to keep them, but not everyone wants to keep them. >> These are like the party materials and then
>> while he's showing Jennifer um just pass them. Can I read? >> Yeah. just >> just so just to clarify for the record, the materials that you just samples that you just handed out, those are the samples that are depicted on
>> this sheet A11. Correct. >> Correct. Okay. >> And those are the physical brick. >> Correct. the physical samples that we got from the manufacturer. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> it's all there. >> Yeah. >> While those are being passed on, maybe
we can start on the on the town. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> All right. The town hall building is the the building we've been calling, I guess, building. Building two is along Cookman Avenue. >> Tell us a little bit about the the nine town homes.
>> So these are fourstory buildings. The top fourth floor is stepped back. You could say it's three and a half. It's the It's a full story, but it's stepped back from both edges. There are nine town homes in a row. All of the town homes have two-car garages
at the rear and then the driveways um behind. The front doors are along Cookman Avenue. You go up a small set of steps to access those doors. Their living levels are slightly uh elevated.
On the second floor is the main living level. That's where the kitchen, dining, and living spaces are. And then on the third level are the bedroom space. There's uh it's a three bed, two and a two and a half bath um
unit. There's uh the the owner suite has a full fivepiece bath and then bedroom two and three share that hallway bath. And then on the upper level there's a loft area. That loft area fronts a
terrace. Those terraces will have nice views. And then the area behind is just a small utility area. That's where we'll keep the condensing unit for the uh town home. So we don't have the condensing units on the ground. We're keeping them
on that roof level. >> Can you just uh zoom in onto that? Those condenser units, please. >> And those are screened. They're screened, but so they're two by two.
>> They're approximately 3 by three. >> No, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I meant that they're two side by side. >> Yes, correct. >> So, a person should not have their outdoor furniture. >> That That's a pitched roof. That's not really It's
>> I'm saying in the loft area. Is that loft area outdoors or is that loft area indoors? >> It's indoors. >> That's indoors. Okay. Never mind. Never mind. Okay. >> The roof terrace is on the opposite side of the condensing unit. So if you're spending time outside, >> the roof condenser is on the opposite side.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Again, a lot of the same materials that we used in the multif family building. Similar same color palette. We do have an additional that that wood look piece that I passed around is also a fiber cement piece. Um, even though it has
that wood look, same durability, uh, down the shore, it's a it's a good good material to use down the shore. >> Can we see the rendering of the town homes, >> please? >> And the rendering of the town homes. Similar color palette, very modern aesthetic.
>> Can you zoom in on those, please? >> Again, all rooms will have operative windows. >> Okay. And like the other building, they're they're flush windows, correct? They are flush windows. Correct. >> And like the other building, the balconies do not have brackets. Is that correct? >> That's correct. These are balconets. They're a little bit smaller. They're
not recessed. They're not full balconies. They just project slightly off with a doorway behind it. >> And on the ground level here, there's unlike the other building, there's no garage. I said there's there's stoops here leading right into the units. >> There's stoops leading into the units
along the streets. Garages at the rear. You're not seeing the garages from the street. That's where you'll keep your trash can, trash day, just like any other residential home. You bring your trash out, put it out. The trash truck comes in and takes the trash away. >> And they'll be put out in the back of the driveways
>> on the back of the driveways internally. >> And the the colors here, as you said, were similar there. There one was one item from the CCH report about relief needed for not having an architectural plaque on each building. We'd be willing to put the plaques on each building. Correct. >> Oh, yeah. The the roof truss is flats for fire. Yeah.
>> No, no. The actual name. >> Oh, the actual name. Yes. Yes. >> We do not have the plan. >> Okay. Well, we'll make sure it happens. >> Are do these buildings have a name? >> I don't think so. >> Yeah. Not yet. >> One, two, and three. >> Yeah.
>> One, two, three. >> Besides one, two, and three. >> When the mail comes, >> we need to know where it's going to go. >> All of that does get worked out with your with the mail carrier. >> Yeah. >> With the post office. >> And so, address numbers will be added. >> You got to be kidding. Really? >> Okay. The address numbers are on the plan, correct?
>> On our submitted. >> Oh, they are. Oh, great. >> Okay. Um, just generally then for I forgot to ask this question with the last building, but for both buildings, we are required to hit certain green initiatives that are specified in the subsequent development report. Correct.
>> Right. And in the submitted set, we provided a list and a checkbox for all of the items that we're hitting. >> Okay. So, we talked about garbage. Um, bicycle storage in the town homes. Where will people store their bikes? >> In their garages. They'll store their bikes in their garages.
>> And then how about mail delivery here? Would that be to each individual unit? >> Yeah. Each individual unit will have a mail mailbox that you'll go and drop mail in and pack packages will happen the same way. >> Is that But in the in the other building, in the
building one, is that in the lobby? >> That was in the lobby. I point on to the left as you walked in there was a a male wall and a package wall. >> Would you also describe this as a contemporary coastal aesthetic? >> Yes, I would absolutely describe this as contemporary coastal aesthetic.
>> Then I neglected to ask this about both buildings, but there are certain void solid ratios that are required um under the plan. Do we meet those requirements for both buildings? >> We meet the requirements of both buildings. Additionally, each town home will have the ability to charge an
electric car inside the garage. >> I had a question about the just a couple things about the and I appreciate that the need checklist is there. Um, but for example, kind of like lowhanging fruits. I was just curious like why for example like low low emitting materials, why
that you're not going for that and things like things that are relatively easy gets >> easy gets. that well not easy but they provide better indoor air quality and and there's plenty of options out there
>> if that we're using a lead requirement there are specific requirements for them and then you know I know we're using all low VOCC paints things of that nature maybe we there was maybe one or two items that we couldn't get and we thought you know what that's not our typical our typical standard so we'll use
utilize another one so we meet the requirements um of all the ones that we you know we Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's true. So once once we get every item detailed >> and specified, we may meet that requirement and we we can turn that in
at a time when we do our permit set. >> We could revise that as long as we meet the requirement. >> That would be helpful. >> Okay. >> Okay. Is there can we can we see or is there can we see closer what the east side of that building is? What does that
look like or do we have anything else? >> Sure. We have that in elevation but not in a perspective rendering. >> Can we zoom in? This is this side that's adjacent very close to the the adjacent building. So, we're limited to the amount of uh
openings that we have. And we've coordinated our window openings with the openings of the windows across the street so that you're across the way so that you're not looking directly from one window into the other. >> So, that's not the cove side of the building, right? That's the side that backs up to the mixeduse side. >> This backs up to the This is the alley
where we're going to have most likely uh >> this is next to the next >> Oh, next to the driveway. Yes. >> Can we see the west side then the which faces the cove? >> There you go. >> Same thing. >> Same thing. But we we do show the meters on that side, but we are limited on our
on our openings as well. >> What are those two things on the left hand side? They that look like they're wood. They're not windows. >> It's just a wood panel. It's made to look like a fenistrated opening, but we wanted to give some character to the elevation.
>> And windows are not a good idea there >> in that location. No. There was a brief discussion concerning the uh holes in the uh the foundation walls and how you were going to treat that. Can you go over that again? >> So that's actually for the third
building. So that'll be the next architect. >> Okay. >> I believe those are the flood beds. >> You could talk about the flood lvers on these. >> Yeah, the flood lvers. Show us the flood lvers. Our our flood windows are our flood louvers are breakaway window are
breakaway elements. So um if anything comes in those those break away and then they're reconstructed after the flood >> and that's all across that's >> yes and
>> yeah wherever wherever we have an exposed area that's in the flood. >> Whoa. Yeah, it's partial in different areas. >> The highest point of the site is at the driveway. >> Yes. >> So, not the entire the entirety of the
site is not within >> Yeah. Only portions of the building are in the flood hazard. >> Okay. >> Right. Um, I think that was everything that I had. That's everything that I had on the town hall. So, I don't have any further
questions. >> We will have Mr. Minraveni come up >> at the appropriate time to talk about the third building. >> Do we have a rendering of the uh where the garages are that side? We have an elevation and you can see the style of the garage door that we're looking to use. And
>> those garage doors are wider than 9 ft. Correct. >> They are. They're for a two-car garage. >> I have a question. I'm not sure when is the good time to ask it, so I'll just ask it now and then we can adjust. Um because there's two architects. Are either of you or both of you going to
talk about um relationship between the styles of the because there's phase one phase two the relationship of the architecture of the multi the multi- use because they're quite different or just any anything
that you had in mind or relationship of thinking of the design between the one which I guess is three I forget the numbers but three yeah the relationship between one and two and three >> we did work the architect and and did create some relative um gestures to each
other, but not not style-wise. It's more working with elevations and and working with just relative just approximations of of adjacencies of buildings. Their building does step back. I believe he's going to talk about that. We're very
close to the ground floor, but at the upper floors where the units are, their their building does step back. Um there's uh a few things that they'll discuss, but that is a mixeduse building. So from a floor to floor height, retail needs a different height
than you know our ground floor would need. So there there are some differences there. >> And color palette was that thought about together or >> No, no, that would No, that wasn't something we discussed. It was intentional that that building
looked different >> and I can let when Mr. Murvy comes up, we'll ask I'll ask him to address that question as well. >> Is there anything else? >> We're doing that and then public. >> Anything else from the uh the planning board members of this witness? Yeah.
When you come back, please bring a small sample of the decorated grill that's going to go all the way wrap around the entire building of the first floor garages. We I want to see what's going to be the grill, what it looks like. >> We can do that. Yeah. Thank you.
>> Okay. Anything from our professionals of this witness? >> No. >> For the next one. >> Okay. um the the public if anybody any anybody from the public has any questions about what this witness has testified, please line up.
>> Hi, my name is Caitlyn Dabney, 400 D drive 70. Um just a quick question about the garages. It was mentioned before that the garages wouldn't have access to inside the buildings. Is that correct? >> No, that's not correct. the the in the town homes, there's a door directly from
the garage into the space. And in from the multi the multif family building, there's access to a lobby that has an elevator. >> Okay. And then with these town homes that we have here, their trash would be in front of their garage or that would be on Cookman Avenue when they're taking that out. >> It would be picked up in front of their
garage. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Hi, Mike Arlo, Ocean Grove. Can you can you talk again? And I I know that we you touched on some of them about the waiverss that are being requested from the redevelopment plan. I think there's a slide that actually lists them. Can we look at that and can you talk us through
those? >> I need to make a little bigger. My god. >> Yeah. Just zoom in a little bit bigger. I'm trying to see it. Yeah. You don't we don't need the title. >> Um so the one is was discussed brackets for balconies was required. We felt brackets
in a contemporary building like this would be uh would not work. Uh wall materials will change only along a horizontal line with heavier materials below the lighter. Um, you know, that's these are somewhat dated and thought
about uh ways to design things and modern buildings can do a lot of different things with materials that you know years ago when the redevelopment done was was written it wasn't conviction that >> um no it was >> well it was I know exactly but
>> it's not supposed to be contemporary buildings just keep it in context >> okay but contempor contemporary buildings aren't aren't ruled out in the redevelopment plan. There's no for >> it's not an approved design style.
>> Okay. Um so we need a waiver for that. Um openings and configuration doors shall be uh sidehinged with no sliders. We do have sliders. Um, building elements, openings, material stores included,
including garage doors shall be painted wood or composite wood. Um, we don't have that. It's contemporary building. So, we have a horizontal element uh for our garages. Uh, building elements and openings
configuration. There shall be no flush mounted windows. That's a very modern type of window installation is a flush mounted window. Um, building elements, openings, materials, windows shall be made of painted aluminum, wood or vinyl.
Um, we have a composite type of material. So, it's not I guess it wasn't envisioned by the redevelopment plan at the time. Uh, building elements openings configuration window shall be single, double, triple, hung, or operable. We have large hopper like windows.
Um, building elements part seven. Balconies are best used as a single contiguous element at the location of the upper or lower expression lines. Multiple balconies, if required, shall be confined to the rear and side
elevation. We have balconies along our main street, single balconies. Building parts, window sills should be provided. Again, that's a traditional detail. attached elements. Facade colors shall be selected from the color wheel
quadrant that encompies the lighter saturations of the yellow to red quadrant in addition to white. >> Yeah, we have textures as well. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, when you're when you're doing the designs and you you go
to the effort to produce these very thoughtfully prepared materials, do you enter it assuming that you're going to get waiverss from this redevelopment plan? >> Yes. >> Why would you assume that? Um the redevelopment plan was written
some time ago >> and we actually we do have our professional planner who is our last witness who will directly address the design waivers and the criteria for the granting of design waivers and that will u Miss Keller will follow after our second. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Good evening Andrew Janu 600 Hex Street number six. So, couple couple of questions just uh starting with the town houses. So, you're showing the mechanical room in the garage and the condenser on the roof. So, is this going to be a single system?
>> That's correct. It's a it's a it's a condenser on the on the roof. And then we have it >> air >> and you'll be able to condition all four floors with just that. >> Correct. cuz you know the Cove and the Havnanian uh the Toll brothers don't
they have multiple systems in a unit. >> That's not what we're showing. >> Okay. And and from an efficiency standpoint, you can do that. >> We can. >> Okay. Um I asked about piles before and that was redirected to you and the other architect. So have you done geotech work
out here? >> It's been started. We we know that the the town homes will be on standard foundations, traditional foundations. Uh but I'm not sure yet about the uh multif family building. >> Do you think you'll be driving piles
using helical piles? >> If the geotech recommends piles for that building, we will have to use piles. >> Yeah, but what kind of piles? And I'm concerned about vibrations. >> The system has not been designed yet, so it would be hard for me to say. Will you traditionally do a pre-pile survey of
the neighboring units before driving piles? >> It's always so for pre-construction meeting following all the rules uh during our pre-construction meeting, it's always advised that the client or developer will go around just for that exact liability as well as vibration
monitoring and >> Yeah. No, I we've all heard about what's happening at the Leo and everything. So, I'd love it if the city would commit to requiring a pre-ervey, you know, the whole that photographed everything. >> So, again, it's always a recommendation,
but that's a liability of contract. >> Sure. Sure. No, understand. But that mean if it's a liability, that means they have to fix something they broke. >> I do agree. >> Um, let's talk about the trash for a second. right now in the multif family building. So the site plan depicts a
trash room with a door on Asbury Avenue. Your sheet A7 depicts the trash room double door opening into the garage area. It >> it opens into the garage and >> it's about 180 ft from the garage door. >> Yes. Then those
>> so so those are going to get wheeled. And where will the dumpsters sit waiting for pickup? So they will sit just along just at the entry of the project. The trash truck will come in, grab them, dump them. >> Will will they sit on the asphalt? >> They'll sit they'll sit right there on the see the sidewalk that's there or
right in front of it on the asphalt. >> And how many dumpsters do you anticipate having? >> Uh depending upon this the frequency of pickup. So I we haven't really quite worked that out. I'm sure until we get full occupancy. Um, it'll be one and
then when be a full full lock, you can see it maybe two containers. >> So, the containers will be blocking the driveway every trash day. >> I doubt they're only out there for a very short period of time. >> Well, will they be coming out the night before? >> No, they they they're brought out. It's coordinated. They know when that trash
truck is coming. It's brought out moments before the trash truck comes, like 15 minutes or so. >> So, is there a full-time employee there that'll be >> managed by Yes, it's managed by operations. And that that'll hold true for recycling as well. >> That's correct. >> And do you know if they'll be
coordinated pickups? >> The same as the trash. It's recycling is coordinated. >> So it'll be same day, same dumpsters. >> Same same day. Same Well, I think they're in a large a different container, right? >> It's not too large container. I think it's just different larger. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's going to be at least two containers out there.
>> Mhm. >> Um let's talk about the tandem parking for a second. So, how does that get assigned? >> I think I'm going to have to have ownership. But each each one gets assigned to one unit. >> So, somebody's going to have to share car keys with someone.
>> Yeah, >> no, they'll go to one unit. That spot will go to >> Okay. So, so let's look at the breakdown here. You have 14 tandemss, right? Plus another 23 single units in the garage.
So that means within the within the garage you'll be able to do 14 and 37 units. 37 units can be parked in the garage which means 13 units will not be able to
park in the garage unless you assign the ADA space to someone. Now you have then an additional 12 units outside, but you have 28 twobedrooms. So some people are going to be assigned
outside spaces, some people are going to be side inside spaces, and then the EV will be kind of a free-for-all with one person that'll probably have to park in an ADA spot. >> We comply with the >> I No, I understand. But is But is that is that how it'll work?
>> So I'm ownership. Yeah, >> we'll call an additional witness. >> Okay. No, I'm just asking because if you're saying the the tandem's going to be side to a two-bedroom unit, I'm assuming the same unit, that's going to that doesn't leave enough spaces to go
around to the to the other, you know, 36 units. And so I will call um an additional witness, although my guess is it's probably not going to be this evening, but we will have >> and I bring that up because Reese's while they recognize tandem parking,
they always recommend it's assigned to a single unit. >> That's all I have. Thank you. >> Hi, uh David Lenley, 301 Ken Avenue. Um, as far as the multi-unit goes, uh, you spoke about, um, the units on the roof.
Um, and you spoke about, um, uh, a tree line to the outdoor space up there. Um, the cookman is 50 ft high, then this is going to be 56 ft high. Has there been any consideration aside from the the
wall on the side, the 36 inch wall to limit the noise of the units to the Cookman side to to the the units on Cookman? >> I'm sure we'll comply with any noise requirements that the city has.
>> Okay. Um, another concern is that you said that the garage and the multi-unit um the the sides are all open, right? And I'm assuming that they're just they're not they're not closed in. The
garage is not closed in. Correct. The air can flow through and all the openings. >> The grills and all the openings. And so I'm assuming that the lights will be on in the garage all the time. Um, yeah, the lights have to be on for security, but again, the lights are recessed in the ceiling. If there's a
drop in the header in the window, you're not getting a direct view, >> right? But if you're in one of the units on Cookman, you're looking into a garage that's all lit up all the time >> that has lights, but there's a screen on those on those openings. >> How wide are the openings? >> Well, we'll have to bring in a design
depth though. Right now, they're showing probably 4 inch openings. >> Okay. But doesn't matter whether it's four inches or two inches, you're still going to see a significant amount of light from that garage. >> And any of the windows on that side, there will be light emitting from those windows. >> Not windows. >> Windows are open.
>> I'm not just talking about the garage. >> Just talking about the garage. >> So there'll be significant amount of light coming from the garage. >> The light from the garage does not change the light calculations that are required by code. >> Okay. And there'll be lighting outside of the garage too, right around the
outside of the building. So, in addition to the garage, there'll be lighting along the path. Um, the driveway and the EV units. >> Yeah. The engineer testifies the lighting the lighting plan and where we comply and don't comply. >> Okay. So, there's a significant amount of light coming from not only the
building, but the driveway. >> It's it's it's it doesn't affect the lighting plan and it affects the lighting plan will comply. >> Okay. Um, I guess the next question I had is we spoke about the the parking for the
EV units, right? So, we all know you can't you can't park your car in in an EV charging station and just leave it there, right? So, they're not actually parking spaces. They're temporary parking spaces. >> So,
to address how the parking is going to be managed. >> Okay. Haney Abdal 300 uh Asbury Avenue, unit 5. Can you go over the um Asbury building uh the five floors and what's on top? You said it's a garden, correct?
So that's a recreational area. >> Yeah, it's a rooftop area. Roof rooftop garden area >> and >> I'm assuming there's furniture and things that will be on top of that rooftop. >> That's correct. So, does that cause any risk for wind or any other issues?
>> Any furniture up there will be tied down. Okay. >> And that building in correlation to the cove, is there still sort of like the driveway like sort of like a wind path that's going through now with the new
building or does it sort of go into the width of the cove? >> I'm not sure. The question is across the street. So if you go to the rendering of the building with this street view of the corridor
between the cove right over there you see the building is basically I don't know what the how many feet it is but does that correlate with the last buildings on the Asbury Avenue in the cove? >> Are are you asking about the adjacent building on our property?
>> The adjacent building across >> across the street. >> Yeah. It's slightly taller than the building across the street. >> Okay. >> The question is, >> is it parallel to it? >> Right. It's parallel to it. Does it cause like sort of because there's a lot of wind that comes. We've got tornadoes
now. We've got storms that are coming in. So, I'm asking, does that cause like some sort of wind tunnel? >> No. >> Through that passage? >> It doesn't. It doesn't cause a wind tunnel. >> Thank you. >> Hi, Maddie Fallon. 908 Main Street,
Asbury Park. I was just wondering if this is the final decided on color palette because it appears to be very gray and drab with a lack of color, vibrance, and artwork that I think everyone would appreciate to see in the
city. >> Uh this is the color palette that we're presenting. We passed around samples of materials for uh the building >> and there's no changing it. It's going to be gray boxes. >> This is what we're proposing.
>> Okay. >> Hi. Um Jenny Coacher, 301 Sunset. Um for the town homes, I know the garages are on the other side with an entrance, but you have it where they have to go up steps. What about someone who's handicapped?
>> The town homes are not adaptable. >> Huh? the the town homes are not adaptable. >> So, you're limiting people to buy from that. >> All of the units in the multif family building are fully adaptable. >> Okay.
>> All right. >> Well, as Go ahead. I >> was going to say we, as you know, have another architect. >> Yes. We have a planner and we've been asked to bring up a um a person who is associated with the company that'll be
building who can testify as to the parking management >> and that will be another day. >> It seems that that will be another day. >> That will be another day. Yes. >> Uh can we get a uh Marie, could we get a date the next date that we're available and find out if that works for our applicant?
also for Jeff. Correct. >> I would imagine. Yeah. >> Yeah. If um there is half a meeting available on May 18th here. >> I is there anything in April that's available?
>> See um Donna, do you have your >> This wouldn't require uh new reports. No. Um, >> and although we've been asked to clarify a few things, nothing that we've heard tonight would require us to submit
>> totally different plans. >> Oh, but we need Jeff. We do need Jeff, >> right? Jeff, are you on the >> What? What are the other dates? >> Well, I know that I'm not available on the 20th. >> In when? >> The April 20th. >> April 20th. Okay. >> May 4th.
>> Well, how about April 6th? >> April 6th. >> April 6th. So, if there was something on the >> We have nothing on April 6th at this point, >> right? >> No, we >> So, that's the next >> You're available.
>> You're available. >> Are we okay for April 6th? >> Yes. >> Okay. And I'd like to make a motion that uh that this application comes back on April 6th, 7:30 with no further notice. >> I'm sorry. 7:00.
>> Oh, okay. >> Sorry. I you know, I was just moving things along. 7:00 >> on the 6th. No further notice. So, tell your friends. >> Well, I mean, I'm objecting.
The meetings are the meetings. >> Okay. Um that's my motion is that we do it on April 6th. Um no further notice. >> I'll second that. >> Second. >> Okay.
>> Anybody else? All right. We got We second it. >> Yeah. Um can I Sure. >> In terms of forum them up here that day. >> Well, we're going to have to Well, we have three people that are out today, so we're going to have to have them watch whatever. So, that's fine. You just
>> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. We want to vote. >> Yep. Uh, Councilwoman Clayton, >> yes. >> Jim Henry, >> yes. >> Moore, >> yes. >> Jim Ser, >> yes. >> Kathy McLaclin, >> yes. >> Chairman Curt,
>> yes. Uh, and I'd like to I'd like to just take a moment to thank the public for coming. >> Will the public be able to participate over Zoom or something since it is the week of spring break? >> Sorry, we don't we don't do that. The council the council meetings are not
Zoom. Planning board meetings are not Zoom. I'm sorry. >> We don't do it. Uh, but I wanted to thank the public for coming because we'd like to hear what you have to say and what your concerns are. Thank you. Hope to see you on the 6th.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> Second. >> Second. I