um welcome everyone today is Monday April 7th 2025 and this is a regular meeting of the City of Asbury Park Planning Board chairwoman Kurszac can you please call this meeting to order yes this meeting is being held in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act chapter 231 Public Law 1975 adequate
notice of the meeting has been provided to the coaster park press by publication of the annual meeting notice and posted on the municipal bulletin board and municipal website all notices are on file with the board secretary official action may be taken on the following
matters before the board uh that this uh this meeting is being recorded by APV please join me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all i will now take roll call james Banano here councilwoman Clayton here jim Henry here jeremy Hoffman present mayor John Moore is absent this evening jen Solder
here daniel Shaneo is absent this evening uh Bob Zuckerman is absent this evening kathy Mclallen here vice Chair Mike Unan here and Chairwoman Karzac here okay first item on the on the agenda is a
resolution um for 512 and 514 Somerfield Avenue can uh does any uh do any board members have any concerns if not can I get a motion to um approve
so moved second michael and um Councilwoman Clayton yes jim Henry yes jeremy Hoffman yes jen Solder yes katherine Mclen yes vice
Chair Gunnan yes okay okay the next item up uh on the agenda is uh the views at Northshore excuse Madam Chair i've reviewed the notices they're in proper form we have jurisdiction to proceed this evening
terrific great well good evening everyone for the record my name is Jennifer Phillips Smith i'm an attorney with Gibbons PC and I am here tonight on behalf of the applicant APW Redeveloper LLC we are here tonight seeking preliminary and final major site plan
approval for development on block 4302 lot 2 the applicant is proposing two buildings each with 27 condominium units along with associated parking we have been working on this application for
some time initially submitting to the TRC back on March 11th of 2024 we've gone through the TRC process we've gone through the council process presented there and my client was designated as a subsequent developer by way of a signed subsequent developer
agreement this evening we have no proposed variances but we do have some design uh relief required from the architectural guidelines which we'll go over in detail i have four witnesses we'll start with architecture then go into civil engineering then landscaping
and finally wrap up with our planner and so with that and having acknowledged that we do have jurisdiction for proper noticing I would like to start with architecture sir please raise your right hand you slely swear affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter with the truth to all truth to nothing but
the truth yes I do please state your name for the record and spell it it's Prian Media a D R I A N last name is Media n E L I A let's have my staff sworn in please please raise your right hand you
solemnly swear affirm that the testimony about the given this matter will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do please state your names for the record and your affiliation with the board don Miller board planning board thank you all right if I could just do one thing if you don't mind um
for the public that's here just so that if you haven't been here before just so you understand what the process is where your input comes into play uh once every witness is finished like let's say in this in this particular situation the architect is going to speak if you have
any after they're finished we will ask if the public wants to ask any questions of the architect about anything that they said during this period of time and then you can come up and say hey you know I have a question about this that you said that that you said or whatever
um and you'll be able to do that after every witness that comes up whether it's the architect whether it's the planner er landscape architect um also uh at the very end of all the presentations you will have uh the ability to do a
threeminut comment about the project as a whole if you would like to you have that option um so just so that we're clear as to what public participation is and when so you know all right thank you thank you all right
so we're going to offer you as an expert in the field of architecture to set that up can you please describe your background education and experience certainly i uh graduated from Trinity College Dublin in Ireland in 2002 i'm a partner at MVMK Architecture i've been licensed in the state of New Jersey
since 2011 my license is in good standing and I was lost in front of this board for the Delta across the street so we'll offer Mr millia as an expert in the field of architecture jennifer excuse me why don't we have the uh resolution that forwarded this matter from council to the planning board
marked into evidence the referral from the uh council not sure to we submitted that all right okay i'll I'm going to move it in on behalf of the city sure okay i'll let you finish go ahead all right excellent
well if you can just to start start by orienting everyone to the property that's in question here certainly so uh again I'm a partner at MBMK we are the architects for the project but we collaborated with the in-house architect at Kmania and the drawings that are on
the screen right now are what I'm going to refer to for this presentation um if we look at the second sheet I'm just going to zoom in to the block that the site is located on so our site is bounded by four streets web Street to
the west D Lake Drive to the north Kingsley Street to the east and 8th Avenue to the south just to pause for a moment I believe this is the set that we submitted about 10 days ago to the board do you need us to mark this set of architectural plans or not where are you
going to testify from should so we'll mark this package which consists of a number of sheets you can tell us how many as A1 it'll be 27 sheets and it's dated March 27th 2025
okay continue i'm sorry okay so around the site um to the south it's a vacant lot right now but there are 45 town homes approved uh to the east are a number of single family homes and there's a two-story
condominium project driv obviously is to the north and then the Asbury Tower to the east is 27 stories there's also a water treatment plant to the east um currently the site um the block has two
uh buildings on it the Myiramar which is a five-story condominium project and the Kingsy Arms or 200 Date Drive is a rental project that's eight stories tall and our parcel um runs around these two buildings and it is currently used to
store building materials um just for the benefit of having everybody understand what is being proposed I'm going to skip to the renderings so this is sheet 19 of our renderings and this
is labeled aerial view from the corner of 8th Avenue which is here I'm sorry here and Kingsley Street so you can see this is the Miramar and this is the two
projects these are the two projects that are being proposed about um mirrors of each other at about 27 units each again I'll just there's four of these used one from each corner so this is the view from Kingsley and De Lake
Drive looking south again here's the Miramar in the background then we move around to this is De Lake Drive and Web Street again the Myiar here De Lake Drive 200 Delay Drive here and lastly the view from corner of
Web and 8 Street so it gives you a sense of the scale of the project and how it relates to the two buildings that are currently on that block again it's 54 residential units and 111 parking spaces um obviously this project has
evolved we've been in front of TRC city council and what you're looking at right now is um the product of a lot of changes that have been made um in the last few months i'm going to start with uh the
sheet C2 go back to I'm sorry sorry sheet two um where there's a site plan and you can see that it's the two projects but there's also a a shared um one direction um surface parking lot between the two buildings so our two
buildings are shaded myar is here 200 D drive is here moving on to the third sheet in the set this is the floor plans so both buildings are virtually
identical but on the first floor it's parking and over the parking is three levels of residential units um the the breakdown is here i can go into it but it's one one beds two beds one beds with dens two beds with dens
and they range from 710 to 1,265 ft in area each of those units has its own um private deck and there's also a common roof deck um that's shared between the condos just taking a look at the
specifics of the parking plan there is an electrical room a sprinkler room there's a compactor room a bicycle storage there'll be room for at least um uh one bicycle per unit and we've shown
32 bikes here on the next floor up this is the first residential floor so you access it either uh via stairs or there's a wheelchair lift you come up onto the first floor and the mailboxes are inside the vestibule and there's also space for
packages um moving on to the building elevations so it's four stories in total uh the height to the main roof is approximately 44 ft and the height to the uh tallest point on on the building
on the roof is 58 ft approximately i'll just skip to sheet Z2 uh sheet 12 so this is a rendering from the street from the intersection of Kingsy and A and um just to speak about the architecture it's an interpretation of
Mediterranean revival um with facade symmetry arch windows balconies metal railings we have tile roof accents and a neutral color palette this is the style that's espoused in the uh waterfront
redevelopment plan and it's evident in many of the historic buildings in the city as well as some of the newer ones some of these examples you can see on the wall behind you there santandere condominium the charms building which has since been demolished United States
Post Office which is right across the street from us and the Hotel Mterrey um which is up on the wall also um looking at the sheet number nine we talked about the building
materials again the color palette it's white beige terracotta used they're in the red quadrant which is recommended by the WRP the base of the building is parched concrete um with the remainder of the
facade clad in uh two cement board colors uh the lighter one is um at all of the uh elements that are proud and the darker shade is at all of the recessed areas of the balconies
um all of the balconies um have supporting brackets and they're clouded in cement board at the sides and on the underside and they all have metal rails moving further up the facade um we have decorative elements such as uh
gable faux gable vents and pergolas that are all built out of um durable engineered materials now it was mentioned that we do need a lot uh a number of um design waiverss or
relief from uh the redevelopment plan so I'll just go through all of the ones that are listed in CCH's report and I'm going to refer to uh section 2.8B which is on page nine of that report just for
the record that's the report dated March 21st 2025 correct correct so um that section lists the conflicts with the architectural guidelines so I I'll read through them my responses are in red makes kind of easier for people
to follow um so the first point is the building elements the attachments they're the material balconies and railings shall be made of wood or metal and comment says the balconies are masonry metal railings so the balconies are primarily flat in that cement board
uh in the large format to resemble stuckco um so we do need relief for that next uh comment number two building elements the balconies shall be visibly supported by brackets and shall not exceed 3 ft in depth balconies on the front facade where the building entrance
is located have the appearance of being supported by brackets but the other balconies can't leave without brackets now I'll just address that before this we received this support some of the balconies were missing the the brackets on the renters we've since corrected
that so all of the balconies will have these brackets um it says all balconies exceed 3 ft in depth so the balconies protrude from the the front face of the building by only 2 ft but if you measure it obviously back to um where it's recessed
we do exceed that 3 ft so we do need relief um for that so how many feet do you go to it's 6 ft deep in total so it's 6 ft instead of three correct but only 2 ft beyond the face of the building correct correct and so what's
the requirement for that extension is 2 feet what does what does 3 ft in depth mean as a requirement does that mean that so the design guidelines right when you're talking about Mediterranean revival you know a balcony is just
supposed to be like a small area you step out onto you're not having you know tables and chairs whatnot okay right we actually revised the land development regulations to clarify the difference between a balcony and a deck as a
balcony being smaller and a deck being at least 5 ft so you know under the land development regulations these are technically decks but from a architectural you know sort of historic or traditional classical theme
a balcony is this much smaller more intimate space okay and that's what the waterfront design guidelines were looking for okay so really has nothing to do with how much it extends okay all right good next point number three um the postal
number shall be placed on the principal building facad and on the alley and rear lane so we will add those um we do have renderings that show and I'm sure it'll go back to it where we've added the address above the entryway the next comment was
uh the number four building elements the the doors including garage doors shall be painted wood or composite wood all entrance doors to the building are metal and glass garage doors have not been specified but prepared to be solid metal this is correct we do need relief for this we're not using wood so So what's
correct is it's correct that it's going to be solid metal it's correct that it's solid metal and it's correct that we need relief we're not using wood and the solid metal are the garage doors correct correct yes which we'll point out momentarily where those are
the next comment relates to the the the window types um says the plans do not specify if the windows are operable but the application states that some fixed windows are proposed there appear to be fixed panes used in the arch top and small square windows used above and below the large rectangular casement
window the applicant should clarify all windows appear to be flush mounted so it's probably better to just show this on the rendering so we do have fixed windows um all of the central sections are operable but the round tops and the sections
below are fixed so we do need relief for that and that lends itself to the overall Mediterranean style correct yes um the windows are also flush they're not recessed so we need relief for that as well next comment number six
um the doors except garage doors shall be side hinged no sliders so we are using sliding doors um on the project so we do need relief for that next comment is number seven the openings on a frontage must remain within a void to
solid ratio of no more than 45% and each facade measured independently so we we have actually provided calculations um for the solid to void right here it is sheet 24 of the
set we've provided the ratios and the north and south of each uh the front elevation will be at the 45% and the side elevations will be at the 29% so they they do comply uh next comment
um the solid to void ratio of the frontage in includes fenestration porches arcades logage and balconies minimum requirement for penestration on facade shall be 20% the plants do not contain calculations of the window area of each facade the applicant should provide the
necessary calculations so again similar to the calculation provided here on sheet 23 we have the calculations for each of those facades to show we comply with that requirement of minimum of 20% on
each facade so I'm assuming that that our professionals didn't have access to these calculations before that's right therefore they said they were missing when we received the reports we made sure to update and get the calculations so that we could be prepared for tonight
but wait I'm sorry Jim just just one second but help me out here is like once you receive the report that's when there's three this this document for 327 was created is that right that that's correct we wanted to make sure we were
prepared for the report from it okay correct go ahead Jim yeah i was just going to ask you to check your mic and see if it's on yep i think it's on can you hear it yeah it is it is just hard to hear you okay just No thank you i'll make sure get closer
so the next comment is number nine um the design of the building consists of multiple cantaled balconies which are located on the indented parts of the facade so we do need relief for that where again the balconies um first of all they're they're on the street facad
as well because we're pretend but also but it says where they're to be used sparingly um we have one per unit for practical purposes every unit on the on the project has its own um balcony or deck should call it so we need relief
for number nine and number 10 number 11 um again we touched on this it with the windows it cannot be determined if there are fixer awning windows used on any of the buildings on facades the applicant should verify the proportion of the
windows to determine compliance so I I did um have confirmation that the proportion of the windows used um they're primarily 32 in by 6 ft in height or 36 in wide by 6 ft in height
uh do fall within those required proportions of 1 is to 1.6 and 1 is to three um however the they still have fixed bottoms arch tops and sliding doors so relief is still needed number 12 under no circumstances
shall the windows be installed flush with the outer surface of the facade they are installed flush we do need relief for that number 13 window sills should be provided we have not provided window sills so we do need relief there
and number 14 relates to building articulation and what we're talking about here is uh one such articulation may acknowledge the corner of a block another may emphasize an entrance yet another may receive the visual axis of an adjacent street so the buildings
don't um display a technique um in that manner so we do need relief right before we we keep going if you don't mind um on that page everything you're asking for relief relief relief relief you're not saying why you could
not do it yes we will get to that we'll get to that yes okay um number 15 um the frontage of the building on its character is a primary contributor to the nature of the pedestrian experience and influences pedestrian activity at the street level
frontage is that elevation which faces a public street or public open space the use of a lower tain water patio and terrace at the frontage where the building entrance is helps to engage these elevated sites but due to the extreme elevation they remain disconnected from the public realm this
disconnection is intensified on web street and 8th Avenue frontages where no measures where such measures have not been provided so again it's no sightspecific architect articulation that was proposed there and so we need the relief and once again that started
at TRC that's two meetings ago right so what we will get to there is why are the buildings the way they are and in part this will be addressed by Mr curley on the flood hazard regulations okay uh sorry number 16
um I'll just quickly breeze through this on the entrance facades the center of each building's base is obscured by retaining walls elevated patio and extensive series of steps the rest of the base including other street facing facades in contrasting colors punctuated
by random pattern on screen openings that allows natural ventilation of the garage so um my comment here is that the base openings are centered with above and lubers have been added so so we did actually address some of this um again
the letter was written before this um set of drawings were issued so we did have a chance to address some of these um I'm sorry yeah can you just pop to Do you have a a an image of the
lubers up in the front so right here if I zoom again so we've added them all they were open previously and if I just navigate around to the side um what's not shown here um but we
we will speak about is that in addition to adding these louvers and addressing some of these comments about um the the parking the parking not being masked this is um sheet
15 the parking not being masked we are going to introduce taller planting along here up to at least the top of the louvers so that there's less wall visible again this is just on the side elevations the front elevations have a
significant amount of planting and taller trees to mask the parking uh comment number 17 the building's roofs are flat and rooftop elements are obscured by powerful walls the elevator and stair towers have not been designed to integrate the building's architectural character
so the the the bulkheads for the stair and the elevator they they're not visible from any of these frontages and so we didn't feel it was appropriate to to or necessary to clad them with um
elements that would tie into the the architecture but they are visible from the miramar and yes when everybody else above four stories correct adequate uh this is comment number 18 adequate parits may mask any
negative impact from street level as well as horizontally from adjacent buildings so the design of the buildings parapits do not appear to fully screen rooftop equipment and deck facilities from adjacent buildings um again as I stated the rooftop elements are not visible from
the street um we we try not to make the pars too tall because of the proximity of the two buildings and the impact it might have on their windows um I'll I'll touch on that further when
I pull up a a um an exhibit I've done to show you the impact on the on the adjoining buildings views number 19 building frontages um the building space constitutes a parking garage and does not contain habitable space so at the
base of the building um you're meant to surround parking with a usable space so you're not looking at parking and uh to give a reason why we didn't do that here the flood zone restricts us from providing residential at the first floor
level so we can't wrap the parking in a residential use um signs the building shall have the name of its architect and the year of its construction inscribed on a plaque and permanently fixed in apicious location so we didn't show that on the
plans but of course we will add that um signage um as required to comply with that so that was the extent of all of the um comments on the report on the waiver so
let's go right i'm sorry the comments on the compliance with the design standards there's other correct building related comments sorry thank you so let's kind of go back to the architecture then and sort of talk about the benefits of the windows and the doors and the balconies that have been uh chosen here to address
some of the comments of why the design has been designed this way okay so um again the the WRP um even though it's from 2002 is promoting the adoption of this Mediterranean revival book and
that's what we've tried to um use to to um as as the main design of this project so all of the elements that you see here reflect that Mediterranean revival appearance and if we could just talk about
modifications that we made since it appeared onto the TRC um this is sheet Z12 and it didn't look like this initially and a significant amount of planting has been added in
front um this is Kingsley Street but this is also what Deal Lake will look like uh where the front entry is there's much larger trees larger planting masting the garage we've also um the ADA
ramp that's right here we've also um made adjustments to the walls around here at the request of the TRC they wanted them level not sloped uh we've also extended the the steps um at their request in the front
this is sheet number 13 um again same thing this is D Lake Drive same comments with much larger uh trees and it within the lot line this is not even showing the street trees that will
be proposed cuz those would um conceal the rendering but is this is this project going to plant those street trees or is that by the master developer master developer will do that and it's actually already
underway on certain infrastructure in the north end but the master developer is required under the subsequent developer agreement to do the infrastructure around this block right because the block will be completed then is that right correct okay is the elevation off the street for both buildings the same or is one elevation a
little bit different they're almost identical with with slight variations due to gray changes okay very well okay so this is the the um the Kingsley uh street elevation and and one of the
changes that was made which is pretty significant is that the the parking used to be from Kingsley and we have since added the um we've relocated that entrance um to
the interior of the plan so if we go to the site plan which is this second sheet you can see that the entries instead of being here and here are now on the interior of the plan where they don't impact um
neighbors with lights shining into their um windows so there's the entrance to the north building right here and this is the entrance to the parking garage and the south building interior to the left and those doors are where we need the relief to have metal garage doors
instead of wood garage doors on those parking garage entrances correct yes and And where does it show that it's metal it It does not cuz I'm I'm just hearing that you're telling me it's metal it has to be somewhere right in the plans to
say it's to show it's metal it'll have to be specified on their materials sheet okay so then you will add that to your material sheet yes okay adrian I'm sorry can you um go to one of those front elevations again that show the um the stair on the street
level is there something we can do to that expansive blank wall stucco trapezoid talking about this um of course there's a number of things we can do
um revivaly things we put a plaque for the and we were open to suggestions but you know we could put the um address for the project here it'll be uplit with planting some lights i think we're right on the edge of the right of way there
correct we're about 2 ft in okay just based on those steps we can take a look at it and come back yeah i can't We need something i understand you said flat public art there or or or a little
plaque but I didn't wasn't thinking of plaque that size is public art an interest of the board to be added to that something yes yes that's an opportunity for a public art space then and there's there's another one too but for each
building but you I don't think we have to restrict them to public art if they want to do a plaque or a name of a building i mean just something of interest it satisfied me personally maybe the address of the building probably just a solid mass right so you
just need something to break it up you guys can figure that out we can do that and uh we'll discuss I'm sure at some point we'll have a break this evening we'll we'll discuss some issu some concepts all right continuing on
can I just ask a question but I think you were starting to get to it but then we got sidetracked the windows being flush and the sliding glass doors yours was the reasons for those for the So the the windows are flush because of the materials we're using um the reason the
waterfront redevelopment plan says not to use them is because the expectation is that you're going to use masonry and they're going to be very thick walls and it's just not really economically viable to build this out of masonry and have very deep walls there's other
considerations energy code and so forth where it's very difficult to insulate them um so that's why they're flush it's because of the material that we're choosing to use to to mimic Stuckco and the sliding glass doors
exact same rationale it's just that that's how the building in we intend to construct it it's it's within fiber cement panels and they typically get anchored flush with the that material no but why not swim doors instead of a
slider uh just operational wind having more proximity to the you mean French doors it's just a preference for practical reasons to not have the doors slamming and are they triple sliders or just is
there a fixed panel and there's a there's a fixed panel and then a talking about this configuration one fixed panel okay and what would be the reason for doing a garage door out of metal instead of wood here in the oceanfront area
again it's just the the environment wood's going to need to be painted and stained frequently in in the salt and hair environment so just it's a maintenance issue so we're better off
with a doing a a a metal like aluminum that's going to be able to tolerate the the environment near the beach and does it need to be the garage door I'm sorry need to be solid uh in order
um to promote the ventilation through the now louvered openings as that uh calculation um out or does do you need it to be somewhat perforated to get the air flow to work right no it it we're not it's
not an open garage so it doesn't need to be an open garage door it can be solid but it's also it's a it's also off the streets we we could have glass openings or or in the garage
but it architecturally it's better as a solid panel okay and how is it actually ventilated the garage space mechanically it is fully mechanical and where's the exhaust well we haven't done a calculation on the louvers but if there's enough louver area then it will
be naturally ventilated and if it's not then it will need to be mechanically ventil ventilated and when when do you decide that when do you calculate that it's possible
what what does that mean so it's it's going to be naturally ventilated meaning we don't need mechanical equipment so the all of these louvers that you see around the building so they're they're limited on the the street frontage but they there's more there's more of them
as you migrate around the rear of the building to get to the area that you need to okay so someone did the calculation to figure that out yeah exactly was that you i I we haven't got there yet it typically Okay so nobody did that
calculation yet well it it typically happens post approval to determine exactly what the area is you need but we'll be striving for natural ventilation is that correct okay okay continuing on then
um so I I'd mentioned that we relocated the driveways to the interior um other changes that were made um were we we noted that the par height on the plans it's 3 feet tall we added the postal numbers i didn't actually show that the
last time you can see here there's an address which was missing from the previous rendering so both this is just a placeholder it may not be called 2011 Northshore but that's you know there's a a detail also on the plans of the size
of those sheet five has a signage detail so be 11in high lettering mounted on the top of that entry canopy um another thing that wasn't clear from the report was the amount of
EV charging that we're going to provide 17 EV spaces are required and we're providing 18 so that's noted up here nine electric vehicle charges will be provided per building so that's 18 total
so So let me clarify that that are you the guy that we're going to talk about parking cuz I'm happy to start talking about that so I just need to know who I have to talk to the engineer okay so we're making believe you didn't say that okay so he will discuss how many EVs and
non EVs yes yep okay uh wheel stops were added to the garage and the location of utilities was also added to the plan so see gas meters
and electric meters all in the back of the building where you're not going to see them from the street so um they're not shown in any of the street renderings because they're all located to the rear um I already touched on the fenistration
and the solid to void um calculations that were provided there was also a shadow study done and I'll just briefly touch on it so we really the the impact on the miramar
is limited to we see in because it's south uh of our of our buildings the impact is really minimal in summer um but in winter in the morning um you can see here around 9:00 a.m so
this is the Miramar there will be some um shadows cast in the early morning uh on that uh building and then 200 Delay Drive uh again it's to the east so in the morning there's no shadows cast but
as you navigate around to the evening time it does fall in some shadow but it's taller than our building so it's really only impacts the first couple of floors when you say the first couple of floors what do you mean so our project is four
stories tall um 200 delay drives eight stories tall so it's not going to impact anything above the fourth floor but the third floor second floor and first floor of that building will fall into shadow during winter so it's half of the
building correct at certain times of the year during summer not so much you see here um some of the summer solstice ones for example 400 p.m there's no
impact so it's summer there's little or no impact on shadows on 200 lake drive um when we were designing the buildings we were conscious of the adjoining buildings and we put together
these two exhibits this is sheet 26 so this is a facade study on the on the south building so this is 200 D lake drive um the elevation and in yellow is our proposed building superimposed in front of it and the purpose of this
exhibit is to show um if any of the um residents are here or the board what the impact will be on their windows and who may lose the view so you can see here up to the fifth floor
um all of these windows will be to some degree um obscured by the proposed building do you know about how much distance there is between the two buildings yeah the the engineer will talk about it's about 20 ft but you'll get there's detailed dimensions on the
cyclones um same for the thear we did the same um study so this is the building on De Lake Drive superimposed on front of that north facing uh Myiar elevation and we even looked to see um
what the units were what the layouts were to see if there were any units that had all of the windows obscured um there is a unit here that where this is a bedroom and this is a living room and so on on three of the floors we will be
obscuring their views this unit here wraps the corner and they do face web so we are blocking views on one side but they do still have um views facing west where um the that unit on each of these
levels um wraps the corner and those and those units as you said with the shadow study are I'm assuming we're impacting those units also in the winter so we're we're not because the Myiramar is south of us so they won't be
impacted correct okay what about the other delay drive right how about them so again in summer no issue because the sun will come in between the two buildings we have enough space between them but in winter there will be shadows
cast on these windows and did you look on those to find out if they were like bedrooms living rooms so is it the whole apartment or is it just like like you mentioned on the other yeah we we weren't able to get plans for that building
okay continuing on uh just in terms of operations so trash um very typical for a project like this there's a compactor room at grade level inside the garage
and then at each um I'm sorry this is uh sheet three and both buildings are the same so they they both have a a trash room in the garage with a comp factor and each floor has a trash room with a shootute
so um excuse me um there's a going to be a private management company that takes the trash every day down to the trash room trash and recycling trash obviously goes down the chute um they'll bring the recycling
down here and they will cart out um the the 2 yard containers to the curb on morning pickup and I'll be a private hauler so I don't know the exact times and the frequency that that will occur
but um I'm sure uh that will need to be um determined by the operator um can you show us or does someone else show us where those trash cans will be and will they be at the Myiramar or 200
Dick Drive or where are they going to be these trash cans once they are placed on trash day okay so the plan currently is for the trash truck to drive into the site where Okay so it's into the site yes so when I say
take them outside I mean okay so you're putting them there they'll be staged on the site so that there's no impact on the neighbors okay um bicycle storage i mentioned that there will be at least one space per unit there's 27 units in each building
we're shown enough room for 32 bicycles currently in this room in the garage there's also an exit door to get in and out of the garage if they need to or they need to um access the bike
room and lastly I I mentioned packages and mail previously so there's adequate space here both sides of the lobby if not on one side for shelves for packages on the first floor of each um that concludes the presentation
unless there's any questions um can you uh talk about the roof drainage uh I had a comment about the location of the down spouts sure um on the elevations we this is
sheet six um we we changed the colors of the gutters to be less pronounced but these downspouts um they're located to the interior and we the engineer will uh talk more about the detention system that's located
underneath the parking here so you're collecting the flat part of the roof only so everything is pitching this direction so the pitch roofs and the um nothing on the balconies can you go back to the front facade sure
that one's good yeah so that's not getting collected that shed roof is not getting collected these elements here um I mean we can look at how we can collect that i mean I don't know if it's necessary from an engineering perspective i just want to
understand there aren't going to be any downspouts coming down from these roofs it's an architectural thing yeah we we can explore wrapping a gutter around so that it comes back onto the main roof and then from there finds its way to the back
is there any Yeah that's just going to go into the planter bed at the at the base right right i mean it doesn't Yeah there there's setbacks for the sidewalks except the one right by the stairway that'll go right on people's heads so we
need to find something to do there um we can explore a solution i mean we need we need something so that when people are coming into the building the water is not falling on their heads which would be on both sides here and
obviously on the other yeah I'm sorry for for that one again same solution as the the corner ones we can have a gutter tied back come wrap around and go back onto the main roof it was really these ones that have no way to find their way back onto
the main roof so those gutters would keep the rain water off the front entrance right correct okay and those what's on top of the sliding glass doors those are pergolas right those are not right those are those are
open so they don't collect rain water just a moment on building lighting can you discuss the the fixtures that are proposed yep um so this is sheet 10 and there's a
number of lights shown here and uh just going through each one so this was intended to be an up- down decorative fixture either side of the entryway and underneath the canopy we had a a recessed
um type um LED and then at the balconies we had lantern style lights we had a comment that these lights were not going to be dark sky compliant because the the bulb was exposed so we have found uh a a
comparable light fixture that does have that lantern aesthetic but the light is recessed up into the housings and it's it is labeled as as dark sky compliant because we we like this aesthetic for the building with regard to to this up
down light it was mentioned that it's not dark sky compliant that's true i would be inclined to eliminate these two lights because the intent was to to wash the walls with light and we could do that but you can't do that in a way that's dark sky compliance so just for
the purpose of compliance we would eliminate those two pictures okay so in in short the lanterns that are shown here they'll be replaced with a um actually I have a uh a cut sheet here
you can see that this is I guess an exhibit we can label this one A2 and what would you describe this as so so this is a cut sheet of a dark sky compliant lantern fixture and the light is recessed up into the housing so they
have you can see it's a lantern it has the appearance of a lantern but the the the light isn't going to spill out in every direction because it's recessed up into the housing right so are we going to go over in the
CCH report the down spouts the lighting is that now because we mentioned it we've we've hit pretty much everything that I have in in my report i've been following along as he's testified um the only thing I have left is if we could
have a broader discussion about the rooftop screening of the mechanical equipment at least um on the parts of the building that are closest to the Miramar and the and the um King
okay so um the third sheet the roof plan um these this graphic was was missing from the the plan that were submitted but this is where uh the condensers are proposed they're kind of spread out so it's not um one large
farm zoom in thank you they're spread out so they're not one large farm um generating or concentrating the noise and we have a number of elements on the roof that we can use to screen them the the railing
that runs from the deck to the bulkhead the bulkheads themselves and these roof elements so I can't say that not every single one will be completely screened certainly uh when you're at the same level as the
roof or just slightly above from the miar looking down you're going to see either a condenser where you're going to see a screen you're going to see a roof because um you know there's no way to screen the entire roof um similarly if you're on the eighth
floor of of the the Kingsley Arms the the project on on De Lake we we can't really provide a screen without adding structure to the building you could put a pergola over them but now you're adding volume and more things that are
visible and more height so it's the approach we're trying to take here is to use the bulkheads where possible to mask the condensers and not add more elements to the roof that are only going to impact light and air and it's the intent for the
mechanical equipment to just be at the roof level is it going to be on a um a base to elevate it slightly out of water or to give it that vibration uh resistance they're typically elevated a
foot or so just for vibration and sound but no higher than that do we have the discussion now as to where the condenser units or is that someone else where they are they're the gray they're going to be but yeah I'd like them to be somewhere else so is do
I have that discussion now or is that with someone else somewhere else where no you is there a suggestion as to Yeah there's a suggestion because I don't know what the outdoor wreck area looks like or what's on it so those couple of condensers that are right next to the
outdoor wreck area I would prefer them to be a little bit further to the right because if you're going to have chairs and people sitting out there in the outdoor wreck area unless you're going to put something else there that people won't be right next to them that's okay
but I don't know what that is so if somebody else is going to talk about that that's fine so but so you know what I mean those couple there's like two up if you go up right those like those couple right there and then what about the ones on Yeah it depends the ones that are close to the outdoor wreck area
because we don't know what the wreck area looks like or who's going to be on it what's going to be on it i would always prefer just like if there was a terrace or a deck that the condensers are away from people a person's deck testimony about the layout that's what as soon as we have
that inform that so do you want to put a pin in this oh we can put a pin in it and whoever wants to talk about it can as long as as long as our attorney can tell us if somebody's going to talk about it i'm I'm willing to wait you're asking about like the layout of
the outdoor wreck area right just to understand if the condenser should be moved okay if there's a reason for them to move we'll have our landscape architect talk about the outdoor deck area that's fine but but just to be clear this is not an unusual statement that I ever make no
understood and I think right now the condensers are located closest to the storage area understood yes and also the one that's on the left that that corner it depends on what's there if it's a kitchen we'll have our landscape architect go
into more detail that's cool okay all right other than that I think we I think we've hit most of the comments in the CCH report so you're okay with the lighting you're from your report to see the you know the cut sheet what he's testified to is satisfactory i That's
what we're looking for okay can we go back i know you talked about it briefly but the on the garage level besides three frontages there was just a lot of talk about it in the TRC and CCH report and I know you said there was going to be more landscaping there more something to give more interest are we
going to see that additional landscaping are we going to see the interest that from I I love the architecture of this building but that is my one concern is that ground level garage level side side frontage this is sheet 15 and I I did say that we would introduce taller
planting along the wall to mask more this wall so plants uh not dissimilar from these evergreens that would come up to the top of those openings so uh that blind wall would be masked and and just so we're also clear and I'm assuming
you're also speaking about this there were some other some other renderings where where the plantings were pretty much like this are we saying that all around that you're going to bring in higher plantings all around the louvers i will have Mr left clarify that when he
as a landscape architect okay yep all right we'll wait i have a related question which will probably come up with landscape architecture too but I saw comments in the report and then just wanted to clarify the height of the retaining wall on web and 8
should I have Mr curley answer that i'll have Mr curley answer that question i have one more retaining wall question because there was also a note about the material of the retaining wall is it the same as the whatever's on the ground floor correct it's a It's Parx is the
product it's a It's a stuckco that's applied to it okay you say you say that's a stuckco stuck off stuck off yes and it looks like has a cap on it is that right yeah i'll have the landscape architect say
what the cap is great thanks and there's no entrance so eighth just I'm looking at the area on sheet 22 but there's no entrances right it's all on eth and web it's just retaining wall with cutouts for benches but there's no um nobody's coming in out of the building anywhere
correct and is someone else going to I know that you spoke about the layout will somebody else be speaking about the dens or or this is the person if you have a question about the floor plans Mr millia can handle are we adding ventilation in
these dens that will probably be used as bedrooms windowless bedrooms so uh what do we have what's the proposal uh typically the code will dictate what happens there on a windowless bedroom it'll be required to have mechanical
ventilation okay so um shouldn't that be on here on these plans with that level of detail like I that's typically something that happens in a construction document and it's reviewed by the building department
it's your you're asking about the layout of the actual HVAC within the I'm asking I'm asking for the dens or windowless bedrooms as I affectionately call them we know that there has to be some sort of ventilation there has to be some sort of opening there has to be some sort of
ventilation i'm asking is that going to be on here or are you saying that that's later no we we would typically in a site plan application we don't have no applications typically have the interior HVAC layout completed but all that has to be submitted for building permits and
reviewed by the building department to make sure all ventilation and HVAC is up to code and I just want to say am I correct on that Miss Millia yes okay right cuz cuz with some applications we have had almost like a like a window or a louver or a vent or something like that on the top of just before the door
we've seen that i just want to make see what what the intent is here we'll just put it down then we just have to make sure that they're vented what you're discussing now was not mechan was not mechanical the architect Adrian right just said that he was going to do mechanical so if you do mechanical
interior mechanics would be shown later if they were to do Oh god that's all right they were I'll speak louder if they were to do natural like the last application talked about when they had the open air flow above the door that's different so I think Okay so this is mechanical so it's taken care of that
way okay cuz we have heard it different ways so chair is trying to say she just wants to know if it's going to be mechanical ventilation we all show right now it's going to be open we see nodding in the audience nodding
so someone will someone will testify to that but it's it's going to be mechanical correct correct yes yeah okay i have a couple of questions go for it you're finished i am uh we talked about
the uh trash route you can have a uh a room on each floor with a shoot how about recycling how you going to handle that so in in the trash room on each floor and this is uh sheet three this is the first floor which is
almost identical to the second and third floor so here's the room behind the elevator so residents would be responsible for bringing their recycling to this room which has enough space for a couple of large weed bins they'll dump
their trash in the chute but the recycling will stay in this room and then it's up to the management company to take the wheelie bins out of this room daily bring them down the elevator and store them in the garage in the larger trash room that's typically how
it operates in a building like this okay uh Don I have a quick question for you the u if I remember the waterfront redevelopment plan and the uh guidelines the balconies are supposed to be in the
rear of the building correct are supposed to be in the rear of the building not on the front facade that's one of the the exceptions they need okay now in your renderings in most of the uh couplings that you show you
show three paints are the two uh on either side fixed in the center the slider is that So this is sheet uh nine i'm looking at 13 but yeah it's the same but it's the
same condition there's three panes two uh the center one would be operable um as you know a standard patio door and then one of them is a fixed light so two fixed center one operable okay
and the balconies according to the uh guidelines are supposed to be no greater than 3 ft you've got it twice that you got to six right correct okay uh why can't you eliminate the uh the
two-foot canal lever uh slab and move your door no balcony but uh move your u glass partition to the front of the building
i think the it hurts the architecture to pull those forward um you'd lose depth in the facade um we like these recesses in the facade to be at the depth they are it helps with the create shadows and
articulation in the building to not have it so flat um just and also you you you're asking if we could just push the whole thing back or pull pull the pull the it forward cut cut off the projecting part I think is
what what Mr henry is talking about i mean they're an element that help the architecture I think but they rather follow the guidelines that I understand but there's also a practical application to them in that
they give people outdoor space um which I think is important when you're um living in an apartment that you have somewhere that you can walk outside so again it's deck versus balcony we don't meet the guidelines for a balcony but
they're really decks in a practical sense in that they're big enough they're intended to be used not to just step out on they're not just I don't want to argue with you but when you look at these things there are about five different guidelines that these things
are in conflict with it's just something for you to keep in mind but at the same time does the waterfront redevelopment plan encourage building articulation it does and I hear you comment there there are a lot of um relief uh there's
a lot of relief related comments um based on how these balconies are set up but it's it's due to the nuances of the the guidelines i don't think it intends for decks i think it's relates to um balconies that are an applique to the
facade and they're just ornamentation we don't really want them as ornamentation we want them as usable elements so it's more to do with the language of the waterfront redevelopment plan it's not our goal to try to comply with that in any way because these are decks they're
not balconies okay and another comment or question when I look at the renderings I have a little bit of trouble with them because from page to page they differ i understand you know
that's printing issues and stuff but where do you really show what what the facads are going to look like what the colors are do you have anything sure um so so the the sheet I'm on sheet nine
i mean this is a 2D flat-on view a lot of the views be shown are perspectives because they're just a little bit more real but this is the color palette that we're proposing so it's it's earth tones it's from that red quadrant
um of the color wheel that the the war redevelopment plan um uh adopts and you know these are all um whites and and and reds in in these colors here the terracotta the for the
for the accent for the roof but they're all in those earthy tones and this is pretty much what it's going to look like is it pretty much or is it or is this what it's going to look like well these renderings are about as realistic as we can achieve this is what it
Okay it's found on page nine so could there be more variation i think I know where Jen's going with this cuz the the first floor I know you're really constrained because of the flooding and what you have to do with the stairs and all but in the in this there's more
variation it's this like big swath of beige that um in this elevation that's bothered me the most and then in the renderings it seems to be more variation um but I don't know what as I was thinking the same thing which is real
like this has different a lighter tone darker i think it's the lighting the way they way they've lit the facade cuz you know if you I I know what you're
saying but like the the garage level right as it goes up into that center balcony area and then onto the top level that's all the same color it is here and then comes and wraps around the front of the building so it's
a little bit in shadow and then the front is a little more lit it's just the way he's toned the Well I think I'm just asking can there be more variation because it's my main concern is 8th Avenue and web walking along the containing wall and because you're you
know you're stuck with what you have at the garage but from a pedestrian standoint you're saying you want more variation i want more variation i want more because it's the B i mean it's a lot of it's the color yep i I I don't disagree i think there's something in
the redevelopment standards that says there shouldn't be any change in materiality um horizontally and so that's kind of what we're trying to achieve here but if you look on nine you see that that that's it kind of hits us in the face on
on slide nine you go up because you're on 12 that kind of hits us in the face right there and it's kind of like no we need something i I fully understand this has been stripped of all of the landscaping though so it's not really true to what you're going to experience when you're standing outside the
building um you know most of this will be either housing planting or be masked masked by planting so yeah struck me most is what Jen said the side a web and we've already said there's going to be more landscaping
there so I'm interested to see that and then that front stairwell like the big flat wall which you you also said you're going to show us something or offer us something i think we're going to have to provide renderings with these rather than talk
to it yeah i just wanted to throw my thoughts in it as well and I agree with the concern about the the garage floor it's it's very it's it's dominate it will dominate that block walking i I
live in that part of town and that uh concern I don't know what the options are i appreciate Jen's the judge uh color variation and I appreciate that there's cons you know limitations of of the uh flood plane the flood zone and so forth but
uh it yeah it's a real concern i don't know what the options are what side of the um stair that big wall in front of the stairs from the from the base quite high so the top I'm
going to eyeball it it's approximately six or seven feet and are they the same in both buildings because in the render is that one looks bigger than the other one i don't know it's just an optical thing one might be a little taller just because of the great change i mean you
have like a little person there who I'm 5t tall so it looks higher than the So there's a few steps up to it first correct right i I'm discounting these i'm taking it from here to here just blank i'm wondering from the side no
passing by the height you can add about 18 in here so I said 7 ft it's about 8 and 1/2 ft mhm well you understand what our concern is yep okay and the retaining more height somebody is I'll ask Mr curley to talk
about retaining wall heights correct Mr curley yes yes okay who will be our next witness once we close out on architecture you also mentioned wheelchair accessible where is where is that so the there's a right on the
screen here i'm on um number 12 G12 there's a an an ADU ramp for each building that brings you up to a platform and you can see here there's a chair lift okay mounted to the side entrance and if we look at the front
view see this is sheet Z9 see that chair that will bring you up to the first floor okay so on both uh facades on uh De Lake Drive and on Correct it's the same thing and again it's driven by the float rag regulations not having the
lobby the elevator in the float plane so this is our strategy to address that what What's the uh depth of that staircase and and does that go right up to the property line or is there unused space between that stairwell and the sidewalk
so just for you're asking is there any space here yeah and then how wide is the and how wide is the is the staircase itself those steps are about 12 in about a foot so no I I think I'm sorry i think that you're talking about the steps
themselves the stairs themselves how how wide is is the stairwell that how much additional uh unused spaces are between the stairs and the property line um I'm going to gauge that it's about 6 ft wide
and then you said there's an an additional foot that's between the property line and the stair so just based on on this drawing here and let me hold maybe it's easier to go to the other and I'll have you pause just for a moment on that building you were just on let's go back to the other one under the
subsequent developer agreement those two trees that you see there are actually over the property line and the city council approved them being there they're actually within the right of way but we can have Mr curly show where the property line is those two the two trees that are there
so th this is that large retaining wall okay and then we've got two steps in front of it so if those are about 12 in each this is the property line all along this one here about 2 ft from the property line to the face of Dr tain
and then I'm sorry you remind me how how wide are the stairs themselves approximately 6 ft and there's an area here there's a significant area between the property line and the sidewalk just because of the way the right ofway line falls and I could have Mr curley address that but
the property line and the sidewalk are actually not next to one another in that for that particular building okay was there any way on that I'm sorry this is kind of like I'm just trying to play in my head like is there any way to
break up or change the mass of the of the of the stairwell like that's what I'm just trying to play with is there a way to make them curve there's a way to put a is there a way to put a feature where
that wall is you know just trying to think of what kind of space uh exists like the building I live in has you know the stairs that curve around there's a water fountain between them so I just didn't know kind of what the space would allow for that would break up the
dominance of that kind of mass and I'll have Mr address that in a moment i will say that this building was slid closer to the street there at the request of council there had been a little more space in the front there but the goal was to pull the building away from the
existing building so it was slid further to the street which um changed the design of that front front stairwell but then I'll let Mr millia answer the question i'm sorry um I'm just going to open up the civil plans because that little key plan that I keep referring to isn't perfectly
accurate so this is the civil plans that were submitted to the board and I'm sure the the engineer will be referring to but this is the accurate uh rendition of what's going on here and that's on sheet three of the civil set so the
same these were um this shows more accurately what what we've been discussing on the renderings but again I I get your point you're asking is there um a better way to to um incorporate
this staircase in a in a less um reduce the the visibility of the the mass retaining on the front that's really what you're I mean I'm not an architect by any stretch but I'm just thinking about other uh staircases of
other buildings in the area we can explore some options jennifer could you just repeat what you said about I was trying to follow the um you said at council the build what was pulled back or moved forward so I can have Mr curley go into it more but the building was they were originally a little further
back from the street which had a lent itself to a different streetscaping there um the council had requested that the building be pushed towards the street so that it would create more spacing between the back of the building and the existing building so I'll have
Mr curley address that but my understanding is the building was slid forward closer to the right of way so that there'd be more space between the existing building and the proposed building thank you and we'll have we'll have um both Mr
curley and Mr le address the the staircase design will Mr curley address how the layout is and then Mr left some of the design any uh any other planning board members have any other questions of the
witness do our professionals have any other questions of the witness that their reports have been answered their concerns okay does anybody in the public have any questions of the witness please stand up to the microphone if you don't
mind do I have to turn it on i don't know i'll speak loud okay we can hear okay i have five five points i don't think any of them are too long please state your name and address okay uh Darren
Melberger uh my wife and I live at Miramar okay we're on the first floor thank you of the uh facing north so we're right up against the build your the new building so um we heard just now that maybe the um back alleyway behind
the north building's a little bit wider than it was previously is that what I heard or did I misinterpret that i I will have our site civil engineer go into the exact dimensions but but yes okay great um could could you open up um
sheet three I guess so uh that's the area there where your cursor is right so um maybe three is not the best one maybe 27
you're in the Mi Myar right that's the Myar yeah so so I guess um so you said that the summer summer summer shading didn't affect there's no shade from the summer on Myar right is that what you said well if if I understand if you're on the first floor and you're facing
north are you wrapping the corner and facing web or are you like we're right there right where you So what I said was your building is to the south of the proposed building so the sun is never going to cast a shadow right on top of
you because got it but in the winter uh is the same because it is it winter there's a little shading or no uh when we're talking about shadows winter even less so and again you're so there's no impact okay so the
uh the the new the new uh residents will get they'll have sh they'll have um shading or or shadow yes on our building and then I was wondering about the facade the south facade of that building of your building it if it I think it has
balconies on it of the north building i can't tell for sure but I think it does makes sense that it would um we would ask if you considered maybe not balconies there against our building that's
possible that's one thing we're asking uh we don't want to like look out and see people on a balcony from our window so I don't know if that that's comment than a question we can understand a window we're going
to be face to face with a window new window but a balcony I don't know that we would prefer to have people out on a balcony making noise sitting outside i'd rather have them inside that's it um that's just something to consider to consider so that would be that would be
on all four floors on what that would be on all four floors right up all four then and that would impact how many balconies that would be eight balconies i'm just trying to get an idea of what
the numbers are there's two balconies on this facade on this okay so that's eight three residential floors so there's six total balconies six balconies and Okay and that's facing the Miramar correct
okay just to consider thank you and then uh the last one of the last things is the stairwell there and is that an emergency stairwell or is that to be used is that a daily use stair stairwell it's an emergency erress stairwell because it doesn't exist on the parking
plan below okay so in the event of a fire they will exit here but it's not for That's great thank you for that and the flood plane came up um what is the garage floor of the north
building at elevation about i can have Mr curley address that that's better yes we'll have our site civil engineer our site civil engineer can give you an answer to that we'll have that because our understanding that the flood plane now you're testifying the the question
can be answered by the engineer okay sorry um actually can I ask just something else um it's a interesting point that the gentleman brought up having to do with that exit stairway can you I didn't
really deal with it at all are there um are there windows on the that stairway going up and down that stairway on any of the stairways are there windows facing out any of any of them you're talking about from the proposed building
yes from the proposed building are there windows yes all right and so okay right here all right so there will be windows here that That's a window on the unit i think the chairperson is asking about windows on the stairwell like the
vertical stairwell i think I think where you're going is you're asking the question if there will be lights in the stairwell that will shine out windows you know what I normally ask yes that's that's what I'm asking windows in the stairwell i understand there are there are not there
are there are okay all right if you notice there are some buildings around here when you go at night it's not pleasant when you're looking at those windows and you see the lights in the stairwell we did not catch that in prior buildings we have been asking that now
so we're looking for things that are downlit and so that you cannot see a straight line when you're sitting outside a straight line of windows and a straight line of lights that that's uncharacteristic for the building
okay that's what I'm at like there okay if that's if those are the stairwells mhm what's going to prevent three lights from shining out onto the street usually the these egress stairwells we
can have the lights on a timer uh I'm sorry not on a timer on a motion detector so that they're only activated when someone goes into the stairwell so that's that's you will or as opposed to usually you will make that change we
will make that change okay it's it's also energy efficient no no I'm I'm with you i I'm I'm just I just see it around town and it's it's not attractive well so and Adrian please if I'm interpreting
this incorrectly the stairwell is an enclosed space it's got a door on the interior and then you go down the stairs and you can go out the door so there's only a light within so that motion light if it's a
motion light is inside that stairwell the hallway light does not shine into that space these stairs are these stairs are typically solid good good okay so it's not like in some of the other
buildings where we've had the hallway lights are a lot and they're always on and that's what's that common space that's over illuminated so this is not that okay so as we keep these discussions going is there someone else
that can speak to the I know that we spoke so said that Mr curley would be dealing with the distance between the buildings correct with that we also need to understand the distance with the with the balconies and to see how all that flows mr curley prepared to speak to that yes okay all
right anyone else did I say anything that we need someone else to come up i did open it up again so here we are to public comment public question i'm sorry i did that go ahead okay i speak softly so I don't
know if you can hear me okay we got name and address please uh I'm Sharon Agenaldo and I lived at the Miramar and I'm actually right above uh Darren and uh Helen in 2B so we're right there
where that building is going to have the back and uh that's our main uh living room and bedroom so I don't I don't speak technical like you folks but um I'm going to try to
explain it the best I can right now we have dirt around the the whole building that you're planning on building those two structures and it
floods over by us it floods on Deal Lake it floods on Kingsley and we've had flooding on Web and we just had some of that I guess uh last year
so my question is those vents that you have for your parking are they high enough up off the ground because my question would be if water did get into you into the where the cars are going to
be parked would you be draining it somewhere like in the back of the building which would be facing the Miramar and then we have nowhere for it to go except a flood in our building so
our next witness Mr curley is going to speak specifically to um flooding flood hazard and also storm water and can address that question okay okay uh no we we're going to cover we're going to cover storm water management
heavily I'm sure um are we all set anybody else okay all right and we'd like to call up our next witness Bob Curley who is our civil engineer who can start to get into the questions about site layout and also storm water and flood hazard okay all right i'd like to
propose a five minute recess so second uh all in favor i okay 5 minutes literally five minutes okay and we will be returning to the meeting now i will
here okay i will take roll call now um James Banano here councilwoman Clayton yes jim Henry here jeremy Hoffman still here mayor Moore is absent jen Ser here shane's absent bob Zuckermanman absent
katherine Mclen here vice Chair Gunnan here chairwoman Carzac here okay right for our second witness this evening we have uh Mr curley who is our site civil engineer so I would ask I
guess Mr curley to be sworn in and then I'll ask us my first question solomon swear affirmed the testimony that given this magnet the truth to all truth and nothing but the truth yes sir please state your name for the record spell it robert Curley c U R L E Y thank you
right mr curley we're going to be offering you as an expert in the field of civil engineering so can you please provide your background educational and experience in the field if I may pardon the interruption mr curley has been before us numerous times forever your license still current standing okay
thank you thank you all right mr curley you've heard the presentation some of the questions so I will let you begin and talk about this the layout here and as you testify if you could also make sure you touch on storm water and flood hazard so if I may uh just for the for
the board's understanding when we submitted our uh initial application and and um subsequent resubmission there were um a number of
comments that came out of both the board professionals so what I did was um I was able to get it get this exhibit which is the layout plan um updated oops I'm sorry updated uh to answer a couple of
the questions so that the board so that it could be a little more clear um and I did have one error on my on my plans when I originally submitted and that had to do with the parking counter around the around the building but first what I'd like to do is just explain
um this exhibit this is we mark this as A3 this is sheet three the 14th of the set and um there was questions as far as the location of the building and uh what we what we were able to do based upon some
of the comments that we received um from the city and the one of the first things that we did was we relocated uh building A or the north building as close to the front property line as we possibly could
on De Lake Drive and what that what that did was that allowed us to have a larger separation distance between our proposed building and uh the Mirbar what are those distances well let me and
let me just and we likewise relocated um building B closer to 8th Avenue to again provide a higher separation distance so for the north building the
um the exhibit that I'm showing here um shows that the the projection of the balconies are um 2 feet out beyond the edge of the building but the closest distance from the edge of the balcony to
the Myiar is 17.74 ft um to the building you get an an extra 2 ft so it's almost almost 20 ft so it would be 19.74 ft um and that's that's the closest point to the Myiramar to our
proposed balconies um on the southerntherly building again we we have the same projection of a two-foot balcony and the separation distance between the two buildings of the
Kingsley arms and our building that we have designated as building B is 18.89 ft or building the building add another 2T so it would be 20.89 ft or just about 21 ft
are there any are there any balconies on that side yes there's there's a single balcony there's one on each floor yes okay and can you can you repeat those distances again please on the on there right there so it's the from the balcony to the Kingsley arms
is 18.89 ft and then the balcony is how far out is that another two feet two feet so building to building is 20.89
and what is the required building setback there zero sorry the required building setback under zoning I asked and Mr curley responded it's zero okay you can continue i just want to do
you want me to repeat the distance no I I got it thank you so then again with this exhibit um I added some additional dimensions just again to for clarity for the board members um from our easterly
facade to the rear of the Kingsley arms is uh shown here as 33.82 ft and um the the distance from the Myiar to the westerly facing
facade of building B and this is to to the projection of the balcony is 44.07 ft so building to building would be 46.07 Um again from a location standpoint on the on the um northerly portion of
building A our um proposed retaining wall is bas is pretty much on the property line um there there may be like an inch or two but it's we're we're proposing our our retaining goal to be pretty much right
on the property line on De Lake Drive now that that doesn't that doesn't include the open air open area between where the proposed curb line is and and the
um our our proposed uh retaining walls so that that is an additional 4 to 5 ft uh separation distance um another question that had come up had to do with
the the vertical location of where the building is and um this gets into the existing elevations of the roadways and maybe if I switch to So this is your submitted site plan which I guess we can go ahead and mark
as A4 correct that's correct and how many sheets are in this just for the record 14 okay was that was that prior one that was the single slide put in did we mark that one
we was sheet three and we marked it as A3 is the updated sheet three that I supplied after we received the uh comments from the board's professional okay we've marked it as A3 and that's part of the site plan yes it is okay so it's sheet three of the I get it thank
you so some of the um comments from the uh surrounding neighbors were what were the elevations of the building and how how does it comply with flood hazard so on
De Lake Drive the elevation the existing elevation on De Lake Drive is somewhere around 7 7.3 the flood 100-year flood elevation of De Lake is elevation 10
so we're required to provide a 1 ft um separation distance between the 100-year flood elevation of elevation 10 to our garage floor and our garage floor for building A is at 11.25
so that's how we came up with the grading that that set up the rest of the driveway and and our ability to grade the site and provide um compliance with the flood hazards regulations
um so from a circulation standpoint again this is the this is the grading plan but um a vehicle coming into the site will come down D drive and then turn into the driveway between our
proposed building A and the Kingsley Arms and then if they wanted to go to proposed building B they would continue on drive through the parking field and then turn Oops and then turn into building B
um so one of the changes that we we were able to achieve um and and this was this was um based upon some of the review comments that we received from the board's professionals
was the the fact that there was no loading area so when we when we did the modification to our parking layout within each building um we had we had 45
total parking stalls within each building excuse me one was designated as a loading area in the building itself so we felt that that wouldn't um serve a useful purpose for anyone trying to make
a delivery into the building because then they would need access into the garage so instead of providing that loading area within the building we are now going to designate these two parking stalls outside of each building that are
on the drive aisle as loading areas so that what that what that does is it allows for a delivery person that needs to get into the needs to get into the building to deliver packages a spot where they can park their vehicle and
then access the building and or for uh garbage pickup uh they can also have the garbage truck park in both of these um areas and allow for uh the maintenance person to bring the garbage into the
truck so with that modification how many parking spaces are being proposed both inside and outside so when you add all of the parking stalls together um and this is before before we dedicate
these two loading zones there's 113 parking stalls uh being provided and that's more than we had initially set out in the application right we originally had 109 that's that's correct right now no no those are just straight those are straight parking stalls now
when we when we detract or take away two stalls for the loading area we end up with 111 parking stalls can we if you don't mind can we just say how many are in each building yes and
then how many extra there are beyond what's inside there's 45 stalls in each building all right so there are 45 interior stalls and then on exterior there will be 21
stalls plus two loading areas but we're not going to count the loading areas so that equals 111 parking spaces and two loading areas correct that's correct and does that exceed what's required under the waterfront redevelopment plan
yes it does okay so the requirement for parking within waterfront redevelopment plan is two parking stalls per unit for this lot which is different than many of the other lots we've been here this particular lot under the waterfront redevelopment plan has a requirement for two per unit correct that's correct so
that would be 108 stalls okay so now let's get down to the let's get down to the question that I know you want to ask me how about street parking i I do i do but let's let's let's just go with the 45 first all right 45 are on
the interior and you're saying that there are 27 units in each building or am I wrong that's correct 27 in each building so that means you need 54 in each building but you're providing
45 so last in gets to park outside i mean once you assign those 45 the rest of them park outside all the parking stalls will be assigned and some residents will be assigned an outdoor space some right who where whoever is last in or whatever the cost
is or whatever it is they end up outside okay so it's under an 11 okay go ahead okay so again I think I mentioned when I when I first um my site plan that package that originally got submitted I
had an error on my parking count and uh the review from CCH done accurately indicated the quantity of stalls that are on the street and the quantity of stalls that will be proposed on the
street so the existing stalls that are on the street today are 40 stalls that surround that surround the development now when you're saying surrounded development are you all four roads all right all four roads total okay
today there are 40 stalls okay and when we're done there will be 37 okay so the net difference then if we've provided 111 parking
stalls minus the three stalls that we're using on the street gets us to 108 um no you got to say that differently um we have 111 parking stalls being provided let's let's start at the
beginning so it's 27 dwelling units that require two spaces per So that's 50 or per building right yes and pardon my so that's 108 are required by the
residential component mhm and then your on street no your is deficient three spaces are the three spaces that we lose on street a result
of creating new driveways or is it just reallocation of the curb line to accommodate the way the spaces should be like on web on web I think we I believe it's a combination but I I in particular on ETH to to have
separation distance between the entrance and the parking stalls that that that takes away the number of stalls so to Donna's point on Web Street this development is doing nothing on Web Street that's correct but we're losing
three stalls on left street just because water plans the master developer has to do everything and it's going to get redrawn hold on a second because the way this is drawn I think these are more than 25 ft from the crosswalk to this first stall which isn't how it's supposed to be so you can pick up spaces
there unless it just looks that way and it's not how it's measured i don't know so my point is only that in the plan we say that if you take away on street parking because you're creating new driveway
openings you have to compensate for that parking on site so just because we have a loss of three spaces I don't know that the developer has to compensate those three spaces on site if it's not attributed to his creating new driveways
so I'm at 108 spaces and he's got 10 11 11 so he's got three extra spaces but I don't want to say he's obligated to provide them for public parking under the plan unless it's
because he's got like you know if it's because of what's happening on on ETH with the rearrangement to accommodate that new curb cut right well even in other situations it's never been to accommodate public parking it's just the overall increase on site
but here we do have 108 spaces plus three extra and that's before we even take into account the EV credit that Mr curley will get into next so I think no matter how you slice it it complies i I think what the board is going to be concerned about though is if the lost
public parking needs to be accommodated on site i can't imagine how that's even possible but that's that's not part of the redevelopment no no that's that's what it says no it it indicates that if you take parking away from the street then you have to provide the
equal number of stalls on site it doesn't say anything about public parking on site well who would be using those stalls then it's it it's the requirement for a guest possibly that would be coming to the
site let's where whereby whereby a guest would be normally parking on the street so we're taking away street parking or providing it on site and that's how the redevelopment plan is very you guys i out read the plan very often well I I
mean he makes a very interesting point i make an assumption that they would be public parking spaces because they're on street spaces that's the public well the the bottom line is is that we're losing three spaces i was trying to offer them like you know the the I don't know that
he's necessarily obligated to cuz they're not because of his driveways but in addition let let's if we're going to again trying to be conservative I wanted to make sure that the board understood that we would be compliant if you take
in the EV credit which not do fancy math go ahead go ahead i know it's the law i know it's the law i don't believe in it but I know it's the law you're allowed a maximum credit of 10% of the total required parking or
10.8 because we need 108 right or 10.8 stalls so that's over and above the 111 stalls that we're providing understood so the the people that are living there have more than enough parking correct that's what
you're really saying but if if we are looking at taking this credit let's say I don't know if this if you are or not want to take the EV credit those my request will be that those EV spaces are
real and they're ready they're ready to go they are not I mean that's governed by the statute too but so can I'm asking for that and as I always do okay if if I may sure so the the requirement that we're we're
mandatory mandatory obligated to is is 17 ED stalls what we're going to provide right up front plug-in ready nine stalls per building so that' be a total of 18 okay however I just want I want the board to understand we are
wiring the entire building so that every stall can be made EV ready okay mr curley when you uh calculated the number of uh existing parking spaces on the
perimeter of this particular uh lot you said there was 40 right right um are those lots uh I'm sorry those parking spaces actually uh striped for parking or are the ones on Web Street
uh just so is it is it possible that if you stripe those on Web Street you would have less than 40 so
the I the the proposed parking layout is compliant with title 39 okay but but to your point are they strike all correctly i'm going to I'm going to say no they're not okay so that if they were 20 foot
stalls uh on on Web Street instead of having 16 you may have 14 or whatever i believe I believe one would be lost on web due to the striping the way it's dimensioned today okay there's
one stall that is short i think you're right i think it's about 16 ft so even though you counted 40 it may actually be less than that if you if they were compliant correct and again I wanted to be conservative because I know the board is sensitive to the parking that
surrounds the surrounds the development all right so in the end we're still short three around the building started with 40 we end we have 37 that's the bottom line right internally you're you're good
you have what you're But on site we have the 108 required by the building plus the three okay right and the just for the record the reference is actually in the the amendment to the redevelopment plan the first amendment and just says
that the creation relocation or expansion of a curb cut shall be permitted provided the net number of on street parking spaces that are removed shall be provided on the property and shall be in addition to the number of parking spaces otherwise required by the plan to be provided on the property it doesn't specify that they have to be
open to the public and so here we have the 108 spaces plus the three i have I get it you're right you know well I just I've sat here going through to make sure I understood that right right okay so parking one more question about street
parking i assume this is a master developer thing not part of this actual site plan the master developer is responsible under the subsequent developer agreement to do all of the streetscaping which is from the curbing out and involves the restriping of of the parking all I would ask is like you
know if they coordinate with James because it seems like we could squeeze some more parking spaces in there we had we had but I I don't know now if they changed it from what I originally approved okay i would say whatever plans the master developer submitted to you are the controlling plans i don't have
any plans okay so to when the when it's time to do this portion whatever plans are submitted those are the controlling plans for the on street parking okay um so then
um one of the other items that was um requested to have some testimony provided were oops were the uh heights of the retaining walls that surround the proposed around the building
so on the on the 8th Avenue side we're we're keeping the retaining wall um it's between 24 and 30 in um but that that's that's a maximum and again the the idea was to provide an
an area with a retaining wall the cap so that if someone did want to sit on the retaining wall or have it as a bench they could do that and not to provide um something that was too tall and and overpowering um so the other the other
concern that we always have with with with retaining walls is is if they do exceed 30 in then technically you're required fall protection and that's another reason why we kept all the retaining walls that are adjacent to the right of way between 24 and 30 in and
why are the retaining walls needed in the first place um again what we were trying to do is provide some additional coverage to the foundation instead of having a large foundation exposed medially adjacent to the right of way we
were filling in with again some planted areas and and provide an area that we could uh have a planting bed and provide some landscaping and buffering the adjacent sidewalk and why would there be so much exposed foundation what's that
caused by again the flood hazard elevation dictated the location of our finished floors so that's that's really what set up the greeting for the entire site right maybe if you can continue to talk
about storm water along those lines and how we're meeting can we go back to the flood thing so are the um are there going to need to be flood vents in that elevation okay there was a question before of kind of
what what happens when it floods and would we be discharging water onto the adjoining properties if you could talk a little bit about kind of how So so again the elevation on that exists on Dickle Drive is right around let's just say
it's eight it's very close it's 7 1/2 to 8 um the flood elevation is elevation 10 so again that's what that's what forced us into setting our finished floor for for the garage at
11.25 um adding adding to that uh floor to floor elevation sets the finished floor of the building so that's that's pretty much how we got to grading the overall grading of the site the concern
of will this development shed water onto the adjacent properties and that's that's not the case at all and in fact we have we have all of our storm waters being collected and routed
into and routed into a subsurface detention facility um and um again all of the storm water is routed into this detention facility with a discharge that ties into the drainage
on D8 Drive and is that an improvement over the existing dirt condition on the lot that's correct currently the lot has zero storm water management um detention and it's uh compacted soil
which which has been used as a uh as a yard for multiple uses for the city and also for the redevelopment for historic uh uh pipe materials and uh there's I There's
a couple of vaults that have been stored there also hey so just to touch on Donna touched on it no flood vents the question that came out was the louvers for the parking deck that's not going to affect that's correct those louvers are at at
elevation um they would be probably starting at 11 and a half and working up so they would be above the floor of the garage right so historically I know the image is showing like you just said it's been used for staging areas and storage
um I don't think that you're surface area i don't think we'd be touching greater than quarter acre anyway but as a concession for the board I think they would like to see speak for the board but I think that showing some type of green infrastructure for quality I think
we like to serve so what we will be compliant with um the D's requirement right for a cavern permit and we will we will provide
um at least two if not three filter okay so what that is is the manufactur treatment device for the the collection and that's a good that's a good compromise they'll collect that'll be like the tree curb stop electricity that's correct right so it'll be where
collection comes in in the parking lot collected storm water from the parking lot goes into the catch basin a portion it's almost like a green roof a portion of the catch basin is then not going to be for quantity but kept in that filter through the strata
the roof system uh I do think that it's a nice compromise like Bob said it's not necessary for D purposes but for the board's you know accept this just to I touch on but you do gradual recharge also not a requirement
however they are having wrapped stone for a braided pipe it will offer some level of recharge even though it's not required in this Moving from storm water I think we're up to utility meters and
transformers so again with the resubmission and this is again based upon comments received from the board's professionals i I updated again this I'm going back to the dimension plan three
or 14 um where we clearly identified the location of the electric meters and the gas meter on building B um located interior to the site um and then on building A it's uh along the wall that's
immediately adjacent to the handicap uh stall and the transformers um that those were located on the plans previously but they're still in the same spot they're located at the corner of the building um uh from building B and in the parking uh adjacent to the
parking field for building A okay and if we could touch upon lighting yes we we've already heard about the building mounting lighting but if you could just talk about the interior site lighting and just verify as brought up
in the engineering report that the illumination levels uh are compliant so again this is based upon uh comments we received by the board's professionals
our our lighting plan that we indicated or that was part of the overall set included the site lighting that's being proposed around the perimeter of the project so what what was asked um in in
one of the reviews was to just indicate the site lighting that's being proposed within our development not not around the entire perimeter so not including the the street lighting that's correct and we'll I'll just pause we'll mark this A5 this is the updated lighting
sheet correct yes okay in addition to that what we were able to do is we were able to put cut off shields um to prevent light spillage onto the adjacent uh properties there is one uh there is one light that I still
have on the plan that still sheds just a little bit of light um and that's over over in this area uh this is um I I I can get this fixed with a with a larger cut off shield it'll probably have to be a custom uh
cut off shield for this but I I can get that fixed and that that'll be modified so as a condition of approval we'll be able to show compliance in that location correct that's correct okay so there's five polemounted uh lights in the parking lot and seven wall mounted all
of the lights are um at L or L R the dimension from the ground to the luminere is 13 ft i'm sorry how much 13 13 that's the mounting height um the pole pole mounted lights
are uh located around the perimeter of the of the parking area and then the wall mounted lights are um on the corner of the buildings and then on these these facades can we uh talk about um the
lighting that and may it may not be lighting that comes off of a fixture but lighting that might come off of a car um like the exit I guess that where the driveway is on both buildings we could just go to either one doesn't really
matter we start with one so in this in this exit or this garage area where we would be exiting it yeah this is a blank wall that's a blank wall yes okay so there's no there's no windows at all on this um and then on building A
um we would be turning in but if a vehicle were exiting Yes um right now we show a fence that I would extend down to the far side of the garage entrance and that's your fence yes okay so we want to
extend that fence yes to be over probably what 5T What is it 5t 6 feet right now it's right now it's proposed at 4T um well four feet so that the lights don't go into correct that building
correct so I I'll extend the fence it'll probably move down at least another 25 ft to the north and then can you talk about the lighting in those the alleyways between the new buildings and the existing buildings are those alleyways open can
people walk through them are they fenced off and if they're not fenced off are they lit so in in this partic in this area um the only lighting that we have is the lighting above the door and that's
that's a mandatory requirement um we we do show the the lights that that were shown on the balconies um but those are really ornamental and they don't have any light value that
ultimately gets down to the gets down to the ground um so the short answer is they are not shown as illuminated now we could put some ballard lighting there um there is an existing fence that's along the property line now uh that's probably
going to be maintained but on your property those walkways are open to the public that's correct um one more item about that fence that we were talking about um is there anything um that that that I'm guessing
that's a new fence that that you're putting in there is that blocking anyone anyone's bedroom in for the driveway ex no no no the that fence that we're putting in cuz I don't
know how high the first windows are residential windows are out of that building i just don't know journal I I I'm not 100% certain that there's a resident at this um northwest corner
well that and all the way down also because you you're the the fence is extending all the way right so I just want to understand again I'm not I I I don't want to I don't want to tell the board that that it's not a residential unit i don't believe it is i believe
that this is all mechanical across the back of the building and I believe this may be an office but I again I I I don't want to say it but we do have a photo exhibit that our planner will show that shows actual pictures of those buildings so you can get a sense of what what the
first I'd like just to see that we're not suddenly putting up a fence that's higher than it needs to be and and suddenly a window is not available i I don't want to do that but I also don't want to have anyone coming out of that garage where the lights are going right
into someone's home we can't have that so I just don't know how what the height of that is of those windows are on that on that building so I'm concerned about this well we could show we could have our planner show the pictures yeah that'd be
great farmer this is what it is a few feet off the off the ground so it's like two feet off the ground uh two or three two or three is that a res i don't think it's a resident but I have no idea they're already staring at a fence anyway yeah
there's a fence over there anyway okay if we could have our I'd like to make sure everyone's looking at the same thing so we'll we'll have our planner show whatever pictures we do have all right okay Mr carly I don't think I have anything else for you i just went
through my list i'm pretty sure I touched on I touched on everything and u um I had one thing about the accessible route for the uh those accessible spaces on the backs of the building um how
are how is that working um for a for a pedestrian that would be parking in this handicap stall come up the um sidewalk and then into the garage through here and then access the elevator through the garage um obviously
we don't want a handicapped person um to have to go out into the drive aisle to be able to get into the garage in the same similar situation for this handicap stall we would uh pedestrian or someone who's in a
wheelchair possibly would utilize the uh sidewalk and then come into the garage oops excuse me oops come into the garage through the store so um and then access the elevator so it seems like a long way to go and
um it seems like there should be able to way be able to be a way to align a crosswalk for the two walkways with the um access area for the accessible space
if we make those parking spaces closer to the doors and that walkway it can probably kill a couple of problem birds um I don't know that you necessarily might lose one space in the total count but I I think
there's a strong benefit there so the the thought would be to take the handicap stall and move it directly adjacent to Well I think that's where the access lane would be and the stall
would be next to it so that you could have a clear path whether pedestrian or mobility person we can do that go straight across to the other side and and also and Don you want to crosswalk between
those two yeah yeah uh cross off my lose space right i think you lose if the crosswalk in yes i would lose two probably you're going to lose two space yeah so the preference would be to not put the crosswalk in the space at the
other end right i think you're only again the intent would be now there's the intent would be to provide access to a handicap pedestrian and or whether it's wheelchair closest to the sidewalk
which which we can do we can accommodate that and still not lose not lose a parking stall but to have a a a crosswalk across the that that would definitely shifting that one to the other
no I can you know what i think we can probably do that we can probably We would extend the striping from the handicap portion across the drive by we can do that that's so east and west yes yeah okay thank you
and then with that I I just want to go back to this thing with the illumination between the buildings it looks very dark where now a handicapped person is supposed to be rolling up and going to the garage um obviously we don't want too much lighting there because there's adjacent buildings but it seems like
some sort of ground level lighting we can put some ball lighting in there that would be for both building yes and then I had the question about um so you're so this drive aisle is going to be
uh loading and garbage pickup so so you need a truck access through that little chicane um so all right I I had wanted that striping to be planted but I think that's going to get killed no you need
you're gonna have to do I'm going to ask one my one more annoying question i always ask the master developer will do the full block when when this by the time this is done the master the full block yes i didn't know that we don't know um I believe that there was a request at one point
for wheel stops wheel stops those stops have been added in inside of the parking garage is that all we only want it on the inside is there a curb on the inside they went before the curb is there a curb on the outside so that Yes it's the whole
parking garage so they can't you can't roll over that all right so all the wheel stops are inside okay speaking of Kirby uh Mr curley um and I'm a little bit fuzzy on this but as I recall from either the report or a
detail the curb is uh two foot then with a batter section uh 6 in at the top and where it starts its batter it's a 8 foot I'm sorry 8 in
uh crosssection correct um you're curve you're curving in cross-section it's 2 foot high to a matter where you go from 8 in to six at the top of the curve um the curb
dimensions are would be 18 in if we're going to be doing concrete curving okay so it' be 18 in tall six on the top eight on the bottom okay and uh somewhere along the line there was a discrepancy that they were potentially
using block okay and then somewhere else on the plan or one of the reports I at at the um curb cuts it's going to be uh 8 in rather so
no matter what we're if if there's a handicap ramp and which is which I'm going to be needing for these particular now that I'm modify this that will be poured concrete you can't have builtin block abut sidewalk it just it it never
works and it's always going to crack there's always going to be an issue so if if I have sidewalk immediately butting curving it's going to be poured concrete well all I'm saying is somewhere along the line the plans there seems to be a discrepancy yes there is i
just I will get it clarified yeah okay i just have a question back to I think I broke the retaining walls just to clarify in the rendering so you're saying 24 in to 30 in everywhere um even on web correct okay cuz in the
renderings it shows taller i mean just but visually but that's just probably a drawing i'm not including the the retaining wall that that is needed for the stair access that's that that was No no i mean along
web like at the um on the west side of the property just the rent it's a different set of renderings but the um it just shows with the with the benches and the cutouts but the retaining walls going higher than in the drawing is going in the
architectural in the rendering of the architectural drawing um so I'm just clarifying that they're all No it it will be a maximum of 30 in okay mr i just wanted to make sure we address a few items from the engineering report dated March 19th
uh one this is number seven under grading there was a recommendation that retaining walls along the rightway be set back at least one foot to ensure no encroachment we that can't be done right like the the retaining walls are where they've been proposed correct correct and they they
can't be moved at the back at the back of the proposed sidewalk okay so that the sidewalk would abut the the proposed retaining and there's not room to move everything back without reducing the distances between the proposed and
existing buildings correct that's correct which was a condition of the council's approval to come here um just on the lighting to summarize those comments Mr millia indicated we were changing out the lights that go on the
building so that they would be dark sky compliant and you have testified I believe that the lighting plan once you essentially turn off or don't include the lighting from the street lights that that will be made to comply is that correct that's correct and that'll comply with the minimum levels the and
the average levels as well yes we will comply okay just skipping ahead staging uh number 40 in the comments uh attached to the subsequent developer agreement there was a staging plan that was a requirement of the
council approval if if you'd like we can pull it up but it was approved by the council and we are required to comply with it and it governs when sidewalks can be open or closed and and the the staging on site of which building gets built first and then second
do we have that that is attached to the substance agreement we can pull it up and label it as I don't know where I haven't seen that i I don't think it was in the application package i had to get it myself okay thank you thank you here we go so this
is the construction mitigation plan is that what this is this is the construction logistics plan which was attached to the subsequent developer agreement i saw this and so this was council approved this as part of the subsequent developer process we'll mark this let's see i think we're up to
exhibit A six so we are the applicant will be required to comply with this construction plan that shows when sidewalks will be open and closed etc and the phasing of the buildings um going into just a few more
sure so this is enforced by in construction no it's enforced by me and they have to pay for the parking but I have to chase them down most of the time i just Yeah I just mean in terms of like if it says from April or whatever yeah
no I have to catch them yeah that's I mean a lot of construction going on in the city right now okay i think that's everything i will note I should have asked Mr amelia this but I'll confirm number 51 in the engineering report noted that there was
a door missing to one of the units yeah the the label will be added there all units have a door actually um Bob could you just talk about the um the um erosion control there was a condition of
the is it subsequent developer or the TRC about a dust control yes so as part of compliance with soil erosion and sending control there's mandatory uh
dust control notes that have to be added to the plan and that's part of part of every every construction site now what's going to happen is the southern area is going to be used
as the staging area for building A um but as soon as as soon as construction is started once the foundation on building A is done there there's really won't be any sight dust generated um other
than I mean and if there is the soil erosion control notes clearly indicate that there is to be water uh just to keep dust down and that's compliant with uh the soil erosion incentive control standards right those are all the questions I have
for Mr curley all right um so are we saying that we completed the uh the Avakian report i believe responded to everything i believe we've hit everything one way or another but I
got I got I got something for you okay okay anyone can go i had a general question so you talked about the louvers and the height of the landscaping general question is should there be a distance if you're not going to do mechanical operating your parking
lot should distance of your meditation to those natural I don't want to answer that one sure that's just that's just a general question i mean it sounds very logical again I don't know i mean the landscape
architect is going to say there's this distance the plant has to be from the building anyway understood but then again like I think again it's something I don't know so if there's something to be looked into we should Well once we get past the questions our
next um person to testify will be our landscape architect okay um I have a couple um when we're looking at the Ivakian report number two it says that a current number two says that a current
letter of interpretation from LOI an LOI from NJP should be also be provided you're asking for a waiver for that is that why why would you need a waiver for that or or is something that we're
asking that's the unreasonable the entire site is paved and there's no wetlands on site yeah that might have been a miss okay all right the other item that I am concerned about is storm water on page
four where we're saying that um hang on let me see if that's where I'm looking at i know no no no it's water quality water quality where it says water quality on number
five it says or actually on page five on the top of the page first paragraph it says the applicant is not proposing an increase but a decrease in motor vehicle surface i have not seen a motor vehicle
on that site so we we had kind of touched on that earlier and that I tried to articulate maybe I didn't do enough on it again um so it's an increase of a quarter acre so I do agree and you look at the site it was stockpile and it was storage and
it's lar and that's that's by definition a motor vehicle service so even though you don't aren't cuz you're right that we're they're actually storing a lot of different things on that site for many years yes and I I should clarify for
several years it was leased to the city and the city had its beach operations there so for beach maintenance and other DPW aspects restored there the majority all of that is now moved off the site to another location in anticipation of this
development all right so the so just to clarify that that what they're really saying here is that even though there are no vehicles it's just that there was asphalt there and open like open to precipitation open to air open all right so it's not necessarily what was really
there it's just what was p that it was paved correct okay and just just to clarify whoever is if they increase a quarter acre which they really I they can't on this site um of motor vehicle space so that concession that we talked
about with the fill tower boxes was it is a concession it's something that they don't have to provide but they're doing good right right and which we appreciate of course um okay uh you're also asking for uh a concession on the um the parking lot so
you need a design waiver for the parking stall widths correct that's number 11 that's number 11 so number 11 just just so we're clear in the the waterfront redevelopment plan the waterfront redevelopment plan supersedes the zoning
code the waterfront redevelopment plan requires full-size spaces to be 9 by8 and then allows compact spaces to be smaller doesn't doesn't specify the size and you can have up to 35% of the spaces be compact spaces okay what's referenced
here is the the actual zoning code itself so you do need a design waiver i would argue we do not need a design waiver from the underlying zoning code because the waterfront redevelopment plan supersedes the underlying code okay so you feel that you don't need a design
waiver i'm going to need to have a discussion with our professionals if there really is a design waiver required for number 11 can you specify how many contrar can you just specify the number change that in I'm sorry I'm still on
the parking space size didn't we change that in one of the agendas i don't think so all right well it's okay all right we're going to have to determine whether when we're providing whatever approvals we provide we have to state that we're
going to do that and if we are we need to know that but yeah I'm sure you guys can get back to us on that okay are you okay um Sam with everything
everything where that had to be changed on the plans where the light color temperature should be revised the lighting level should be revised so that you all I think the shop dog should be submitted to a condition I'm sure they'll say they're going to comply the shop dog did show 300 ironically um but
if they testify that they'll be compliant I'm sure there's a condition of approval I'm sure it is and we also indicated that that fixture is going to be eliminated Right right right and it was that fixture that was the issue yes okay yes i I remember the fixtures being eliminated
okay um garage door we didn't talk about that outside of that it was going to be metal how about that we're in solid how about the size of the garage door the size of the garage door don't know if you have that on
yours it's in excess of 9 ft um I I don't have the exact dimension um the garage door is wide enough for the two lanes of traffic right it's one single door so um 16T I I know the redevelopment plan
indicates it's supposed to be 9 ft right and it's it's in excess of that um because it's a two-way that's correct that's the reason that's correct that allows for there to be a single garage door in each building correct that's correct
okay okay okay anybody else have any any concerns from the board no questions from our um professionals that they're satisfied that they've received everything that
they any modifications that they need we're okay all right any questions from the public to this uh witness yes please your address yeah all right
darren Melberger Mermo Building 1B thank you thank you um uh the uh those lanes between the north building and Merar and the Deal Lake apartment building and your
building is are they fire lanes or are they or the fires can be fought from the street and the back out of your your driveway they are 18 ft in width um I I'll I'll be honest with you there's no way that anyone if if there
was a fire in any of those buildings whether it's our proposed buildings or the existing buildings no one's going to bring a fire truck in there right it's just not Thank you Mr per that makes sense but I' I'd prefer that the uh fire
department like this this these plans get reviewed by the fire department so they'll they'll they'll figure that out as well but thank you uh the entrance into the parking garage from the south face that you were talking about with the handicap is that the only way into
the can can you change that configuration or is that the most preferred way to get in i think you were worried about parking spots as a whole so maybe if you were to change that entrance from the south face put it on the east face that would probably mess up your parking arrangement is the
question how does a handicapped person access the access the building um well we have shifted the or we're proposing to shift the handicap stalls to the proximity closest to the access walk that runs along the back of the
building i understand does the access uh to the parking garage have to be from the south south face of the building or can it be from the east space well there's a driveway the garage door opens again our our intention for a
handicapped pedestrian or someone who's in a wheelchair is not to have them have to go into the drive aisle could Could I walk up to the screen on Would that be okay or should I stay here no no you go up okay i was wondering I I know I
understand where you have your um your entrance is here for walk-in right walkin entrance that's the only walk-in entrance right correct could you put it here or is that mess up your parking arrangement or could you put it through there
i think that's where the tandem spaces are it it would definitely affect the interior parking layout yeah this is on a a dry lot i think as as owners of property here we prefer if nobody walked through here other than just regular
aggressive street it would be best if nobody ever walked through here but it's fine and I understand i know you got this big entrance up here probably a door with your garage door there's probably a way in
oh there's everybody from outside that's interesting so everybody from outside would could all the people parked here could end up Well not all of them some of them would go mostly this way most of them is that true most of the
people are parked in this area here people people could be entering from the parking lot through that entrance here otherwise they'd have to walk all the way to the front or through the garage door oh they could get through the garage door it's not open is it open or
is it no uh I believe it'll be closed with the most normally closed so I guess my only point is if this could be reconfigured to come through this way it might that would be preferred by us so I mean to say that
that's matters is the one and and the final thing was um I don't I forget the architect's name sorry but um we know now that the flood plane is 10 which I thought that is what
the flood plane was the garage floor is 11.75 with a freeboard of one foot 11.25 11.25 um so actually the garage is above the flood plane i just wanted to bring
that up that's correct and it might mean there was questions during the architect's um presentation something about living using that space for some purpose i don't remember what it was maybe it was I don't know it was a
use maybe it was a um habitable use yeah yeah the habitable space around the garage yeah so it is a habitable space it's not well it's above the flood plane but it's not habitable right anybody else have any other
questions of this witness go ahead hi my name is Helen Yun um I live on um 1700 Mi building 1B thank you okay um this might not be a technical question a general question how long the two buildings are
they going to go up simultaneously or separately like you we did have that discussion so Mr carly can't answer that okay so the the dual building the one facing
the um the D lake is going up first right that that will be constructed first that's how long is the um how long does it take to for that to go up approximately 18 to 24 months and then after that you're going to work on the
other building right other one but it'll be staggered so the the first building will start and as it as it comes up out of the ground Mhm about 6 months I remember then the second building will start so
so what is the estimated process the time time frame um for all of the construction to be end roughly that's possibly 24 to 30 months okay and I will say that the subsequent
developer agreement and I don't recall off the top of my head the timelines are but does have timelines so that the construction can't keep going and going there's a specified time in which we must complete okay that's so we basically have to leave you know construction for two
years okay a lot of people in this town if you look around yeah I know i know it's just it's right on my face okay okay okay all right great all right um do we want to
um go through what we're looking to come back with well I don't think our landscape architect is going to take a tremendous amount of time and I think he has some answers to some of the questions you posed earlier so if we could have him come up and start I think it would be helpful to the overall
process and may eliminate some of the things that you would It's a hard stop at 10 so so if he can do it in 12 minutes plus then we have to go over everything that has to come back so I'd like to get him started because I think it'll be helpful to Okay then we need
five minutes to to go through everything that we need to have come back so so you got seven minutes okay mr left you could be sworn in please raise your right hand sir you sound so swear affirm two all truths with nothing i do
please state your name for the record and spell it brian Left last name is spelled L E F okay mr left you have been before this board before numerous times and been accepted as an expert in field of landscape architecture is that correct that's correct would the board like to hear his credentials repeated or
will you accept him as an expert in the field as you have in the past we're good as long as everything is up to date as long as all your licenses are up to date we're good everything's current okay okay so Mr le if you could start discussing the landscaping and while you're at it kind of the front design of
the stairs in that area sure uh let me start with and we will mark Mr left's landscaping package here as exhibit A7 okay sheet four or five in my plan uh
shows the enlargements of both entrances they're generally identical minor changes as was mentioned before due to the actual grading i believe one may have one or two more steps than the other one uh which makes things a little wider a little taller uh but for the
most part they're the same the entry stairs were a unique feature on this project and it was really driven by the flood plane and the need to bring the building up the original design that I looked at had a long set of stairs
coming down the front uh it was just one long straight stair run kind of looked like a Mayan temple uh so we broke that up a little bit uh got rid of the long straight run and ended up with that trapezoidal piece in the front that blank
wall uh that got exaggerated when we moved the building slightly closer to Deal Lake uh we ran some of the space we had for plantings became pavement but we did leave one space with the a unique
stair design along the Deal Lake frontage there is an area that's shown that's about 1 ft wide and I believe I'm currently showing this a row of perennials there just to add some kind of interest but given the concerns with that blank wall I think what we what would be a better idea actually would be
to plant that with something like maybe ivy or another vine with a small trellis against that wall that the vine would be encouraged to grow up and you'd actually have a green wall uh we could do that on both buildings if that pleases the board that's one way to cover
it uh another way we could also introduce tiles my preference would be for the green wall though said two quick questions about it one not English ivy i No we would probably use uh something other than English ivy i
think that's a little overused it does do well by the shore it's one of the few that handles uh the salt uh but in this case something like a Virginia creeper might even be appropriate uh that would give you the red fall color in there uh something that's native and I don't
recommend that for all areas uh but in this case I think something like a Virginia creeper might work in that area um there's just one thing if I don't know anything about flowers let me just throw that out there i know Jen does i know Jen does i'm just going to throw this out there we've had green walls
that were put on other buildings and they have since been taken off because they're dead okay the other So I'm just concerned about that the one on the Vive we started out with a green wall it's gone now um I'm concerned about the beach club there
were concerns of bees showing up big depending on what the choices you know better on the choices than I do i don't know anything about I'm just throwing those things out there um just as statements i mean Jen knows a lot better
and as as does our planner no you guys Brian was not on yet but there that was a twining vine that flowered yeah flowering vine will draw bees and it's probably a bogan or something like that that will attract bees the Virginia
creeper will not okay yeah you you guys know better than I do certainly go ahead no go ahead no I say I would I mean I I remember that discussion very well and I would not not plant a plant because it might attract bees people are I
understand that comment that came up but I I mean I think it's a very bad direction for the city to go in is to not plant plants because they attract I agree i'm with you thank you Jen i'm with you and leave that to the professionals all right so that was that
was the first point that I heard uh this evening that seemed to be a concern of the board that I wanted to address up front and offer a solution uh the second area that I wanted to talk about really quick that I know that came up was the rooftop and the location of the condensers and what's happening with the
rooftop amenity area uh as you can see there's an area for lounge seating table seating fire pits uh there is an outdoor kitchen area on both of them what's to address the concerns of the
condensers which aren't shown on this plan but are generally in the light gray area uh not knowing exactly where they were going to be at the time of the layout of the rooftop what we did do is put a 6ft screen wall around anywhere that faced the interior of the building
so you'd still be able to look out over the streetscape but we really didn't want the people on the roof looking at the unfinished portion of the roof or the condenser units or any other mechanical units so there is a 6ft screen wall that's located right here
uh and also along here and along the southern part so anywhere that you would be abuing the condensers uh does have a 6-ft screen wall that would certainly block the view and would assist in attenuating the sound i'm not a sound engineer to tell you how much it would
attenuate but whenever you put a wall between a source and an object it does have some attenuation i I still have a concern what's the What's the screen wall made out of that I don't know it's been been determined uh in my mind I was thinking like a solid fence but the architects may want to do something a
little more decorative uh the the bottom line is it would be a solid six-foot screen so you wouldn't see the mechanicals while you're on the roof i'm just asking for you to do the best you can in order to not not cause the guests the people that live there any reason
for them not to want to be on that deck no and I appreciate that quite honestly the bigger concern was the neighbors uh we were trying to keep the condensers as far away from the adjacent buildings as we could uh other than that the rest of the site is landscaped fully uh pretty pretty
densely actually all plants are salt tolerant most native to New Jersey native to the coast area there are some plants like knockout roses and hydrangeas that aren't necessarily native but we see them on every project
uh they are kind of traditional at the shore people expect to see them even though they're not native they do do well and unfortunately as a landscape architect when we're working at the shore your hands are kind of cuffed with what will actually grow so when you find something that works uh we tend to use
it mr left there was discussion about increasing the height of the plantings along certain streets can you point out those streets and where we would increase the height of the plantings yeah the two areas were along Web Street and along 8th Street uh both of them right now show a continuous evergreen
hedge up against the building uh the intention initially was to have something that would be about 2 and 1 half to 3 ft high something that wouldn't overwhelm the pedestrian scale at the street level but we can certainly increase that to something like a skip laurel that will grow to about five six
feet and helps cover the louvers uh as Donna had mentioned the plants will be set somewhat away from the wall just to allow room for growth i can't speak to what that does to the internal circulation of the air or how that works
with the louvers that's more of a mechanical engineering question uh but I the plants will at least partially screen the louvers uh and take up some of that blank wall that was concerning i think just because I know we're going
to go to what's what we need to think on for the next hearing your concern is probably less with the louvers and more with the blank wall is that correct right that that we're I believe that we're concerned just to make sure that that wall isn't a big blank wall that
that that the plantings are and I'm also concerned that the plantings aren't like well they will grow to be it's kind of like well where are we starting from you want the sudden impact right we want we want that's why I suggested if we it if we change the plant to something like a skip laurel it will be available at a
size that's 5t tall whereas if you stick with something like a U uh that will eventually grow that tall most likely you're not going to find it in any kind of quantity greater than 3 ft so we can adjust the planting type to give you something that's immediately going to
give you what you're looking for and still have room to grow okay do we want to go over uh the the items that uh that we that are coming back for next time or are we are we done with with our landscape architecture
we still have more i think that was what I had to testify i'm happy to answer any questions that may come up i don't believe there were any specific comments in the letters other than a question on one of the plant heights and I'll just say that the uh crepe myrtle that was
brought to our attention is an ornamental tree that's typically sold by height and not by the caliber size i had only one question comment and it's on the DA dry frontage there's two trees that are actually in the right of way um
when I first looked at this it seems like they're almost obscuring the the entry of the building um but it sounds like those were like kind of mandated by the city and they're not they they were specifically requested at the TRC to add taller trees near the entrance uh along with the full length stairs that go
across even though they come up to a blank wall it still gives people to sit uh along the street front uh so they do have some utility even though they appear to be staircase to nowhere one quick question there was a question about whether you were capping putting a
cap on the retaining wall yeah so there is a detail in the plans i believe on the last sheet uh that shows a detail of the stairs and it does call out the limestone cap on the retaining wall so by having a limestone cap that
creates more of a bench seating type area correct correct okay any questions by any of the board members very helpful thank you and so those little nooks I mean the where the benches will be on eighth and
web it'll basically be a cutout into the Yeah and that way if the bench should fail you can always replace the bench without having to redo the retaining wall or anything else so if the bench comes out you're just going to have a concrete pad surrounded by three sides of a retaining wall uh but we're not planning on removing the benches i don't
see that happening anytime um we will have a bench in there okay all right do we want to go over what what we're looking for to come back well I would the witness's testimony is
concluded we should ask for anyone that wants to cross examine so we don't have to carry that through the next meeting yep yep you think that I already asked if the board or the professionals have any other questions no uh no one in the public anyone in the public you sure you don't
want to okay okay all right we're good to go all right sorry Mr ser inferring for a moment what was that uh you want to go over what your expectations are absolutely happy to all right um here are some of the
items that and they might be the same list that you have obviously we were looking at to have the um wherever the address is going to be put onto the building which which really has to do with the blank wall and the steps and figuring out what's going to
happen in that area that all kind of like goes together um there was you were going to add the the metal of the garage to the materials sheet um I think that that just knowing that I don't know if we're going to be doing different renderings for the uh the
taller plantings or we're just going to leave it as the fact that we've committed to that we don't really need to see it we're committing to that i don't think we need to revise that all right and the uh there was a adding the signage of the architect
um I'm sorry the the signage for the architect we could handle that as a condition of approval to be honest it's a small plaque no no right because we we didn't know what was going to happen to that stairway so there were a lot of things being thrown around for that uh the gutters we need to understand what's
going to happen with the gutters in the front of the building where the people are walking yeah I think the testimony was that the gutter can be added to go across the cap of the building there and then connect into the into the roof it will be added we could
as a condition of approval we can we can show the gutters i'm just looking back to make sure I'm Yes yes so there are three things one is the pitched roof area the shed roof area and then the canopy and the shed roof kind
of drips onto the balconies mhm but there doesn't seem to be a good way to catch it is that right i think that that was the testimony right and then um but they can work something out with drainage off the canopy right that's what we want so that
nobody canopy and the pitch roof yes okay yes so I don't know if that's something that has to be on the plan or if that's a condition that's fine we can do the do it as a condition but you need to know i mean we need to know that you're doing that as a condition of approval we can add gutters to the shed
roof areas to show how that will tie into the roof and the roof drains okay right see I can I can be an architect temporarily um we we brought in the new lantern lights that that we're going to use we brought we brought that in so that's okay yep
um we need uh the AH and web the colors and landscaping we were going to discuss that the colors of that whole area i think it was a web that you'd mentioned do you want them to bring a material sample so you can actually tell the color it's up to or do you just want to
rely on this what they've specked on the sheet cuz because it's not the right asking me yeah because you I'm asking everybody i think with the additional landscaping that that's all I needed but other people had I brought up the color right the colors um that wasn't on web
that was on um wasn't on it was on a deal um I did have concerns all around but the image that we were looking at was on De Lake the main where the um main entrance is ju just so I because I want to make sure that we address whatever the issue
is you weren't asking for a color change it was just what were you looking for i was concerned that it was all the same that the retaining walls the where the handicapped access the stairwell I mean all that that one image that we kept pointing I kept pointing you all looked
like it was the same color yes which I think it is the same color but that was the one without that would require yes but landscapes are not would a texture change yeah i was saying I I don't like seeing it all one color but if I'm the only one then it's I'm only one person no I'd
like to see the actual color huh yeah I'd like to see a sample a sample would help because it's just because the one image showed the rendering showed one thing and you know it's not exact but one would just look very beige like dark tan as far as the eye could see i understand this to be plants but plants
aren't there with leaves all season mhm um you know so if that whole if all of the retaining wall staircase facade um is all the same then that's the answer i mean I mean that I don't like it but
that's on one person we we'd prefer not to be that example i think I mean it's a beige and a white right those are the two colors that are proposed i don't I mean other than I I don't know are you asking us to change
some of it to white so that's beige the image that I saw that was did not have any landscape renderings on it right it was like a darker the color on here i don't know i don't know what the true color is it was a It was like a darker beige like a dark beige and then another
rendering was a much lighter and I just want to know what it is could we see um samples we we can bring back a sample yes of the color that's going to be on the face okay
we'll figure that out we'll we'll we'll hold up a sample is that that's all needed right okay i think that'd be helpful because there is quite a discrepancy in the renderings as to what the colors are has I'd like
to see what you're proposing right cuz cuz cuz what what was mentioned a lot was like oh it's a shadow it's a light it's a what is it you know what what are the colors what are the colors i think that samplings would be very good um there was a there was a question about
what about about the uh the fence the north fence um is it blocking anything what's going on with that that fence we need to need to understand what's going on with that we'll have our planner address that yep yep okay um stops no I think that and and and
also where we're removing the ADA spot we just need that red drawn we can do that as a condition of approval i think that's you want to do that that is that you want it as a condition of approval i would like to see I always like to see things i mean I like to see what we're doing cuz you're coming back anyway well
yes but if we come back that means the whole team has to come back as opposed to having our planner come back that's well and the turnaround time for the plan so if we're trying to just schedule for coming back at the next meeting or
within you know 30 days uh they would need to prevail to produce all those changes and I don't I don't know that you know they have that time but do we have it Marie do we have an idea when they come back we do yeah Barbara and I discussed it earlier so
basically the next meeting is that's available that has any availability would be May 19th that would put us at normally it would be five the five
weeks so that would put us at April 14th for all deadlines which would be pretty soon 7 days i'm not sure and the next one was was on 616 five weeks do you need the fiveweek terms we do well I
mean three weeks but then the next available date after that because we have other stuff that's already been allotted slotted in is going to be June 16th and no wait we'll take the May because honestly the what you've asked us to take a look at I mean
moving a parking space we could probably have a concept drawn up for that pretty easily you've asked us to provide a color sample that's not going to take a lot of time um I'm looking at the list here there's not a ton of plan changes that you've
asked for us so I don't I don't see it as being an issue to come back on May 19 i don't know if anybody else has anything else that they're that they were wanted to see marie April 28th is when I need them so we can submit like I
said I don't think it's go it's not going to be full plans it'll be so April 28th april 28th if you want me to do a revised report or Sam to do a revised report to address everything okay i mean I especially since the lighting changed so much I would like to
be able to update that section yep okay so April April so so that's what that's what what's the date for the That would be for May 19th okay for May 19th would it be possible to have a photograph of the uh greenery that's being proposed
for those of us who don't know what these plants look like the Virginia creeper yeah I have no idea what a true creeper is we we could do a photograph of the Virginia creeper i'll make a note of that barbara was the architect going to see what he could do about the stairways to the front that's what we
requested that but specifically showing the vines uh what what we could do i mean if vines is what you think is the best thing that was that was the testimony we just had i think that's the best the best option i mean I thought the architect said that he would review
the stairwell stairways and see what he could do to change it to make but the the civil engineer and the landscape architect both showed that we've I think their testimony was that we have evaluated multiple times what could be done as far as reducing widths and whatnot and they've scrunched it as much
as they can as far as turning that stairwell i don't I don't think the overall layout of the stairwell is able to change at this point but the blank wall in front a decorative aspect there whether it's plantings I think that we
could provide plans or provide um a photograph with this resubmission yeah all right everybody hey hang on okay what What were the exhibits you guys presented tonight so
we I will go through them quickly we had exhibit as far as the revised site or or architecture so A1 was the revised architecture package that was dated March 27th a2 was the cut sheet of the dark sky compliant lantern
a3 was sheet three of 14 from site civil that had been updated and resubmitted at the end of March a4 was the entire submitted site plan sheet that had been submitted previously the one that you had reviewed um A5 was the updated lighting sheet
that had been submitted as an exhibit a6 was the construction logistics plan that is attached to the subsequent developer agreement and A7 was the most recent landscape package that's all we have all right
can I get a motion to uh Motion to return to carry go to carry without further notice to carry to May 19th with no further notice and that's at 7 p.m correct 7 p.m and I need you to represent that you will extend any time
within which to operate yes we'll extend through that meeting yes thank you and revised plan is submitted by 5 April 28th there's no revised submissions hold on sorry revised submissions by April 28th for all for all revised submissions
yes we will do that all right make a motion motion to carry to May 19th with no further notice second was Jim okay uh James Banano yes councilwoman
Clayton yes jim Henry yes jeremy Hoffman yes yes oh Jen Ser yes katherine Mclen Vice Chair Gunnan yes chairwoman Kurszac yes motion to adjurnn all right second
all in favor none opposed