##VIDEO ID:nYyWpWrOp-U## um welcome everyone today is Monday February 3rd 2025 and this is a regular meeting of city of Asbury Park planning board chairwoman kurzak will you please call this meeting to order nice this meeting is being held in compliance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 Public Law 1975 adequate notice of this meeting has been provided to the coost and Asbury Park Press by publication of the annual meeting notice and posted on the municipal bulletin board and Municipal website all notices are on file with the board secretary official action may be taken on the following matters before the board this meeting is being held is this meeting is being recorded via APV uh please join me the pledge of allegiance to the flag States of America and to the stand I will now take roll call James bonano here councilwoman Clayton here Jim Henry here Jeremy Hoffman president mayor Moore here Jen saer here Daniel shano here Bob Zuckerman here Catherine mclen here Vice chair goonan here and chairwoman Barbara KAC here um Jack can we go over what the uh how we're going to proceed with the resolutions unlike applications for development you don't have to have an adoption of the resolution it's just a it's just a memorialization of the action taken so all you got to do is sign them okay so we're good good we can move on go right on okay yeah and the contracts it remind all the staffers to sign their contracts as well yes okay okay all right though we have uh one application today um 7-Eleven bangs Avenue can we just get in um a summary of who can vote on this one um at the last meeting all the members were present on second people well I to say except for anybody that so basically um James councilwoman Clayton Jim Henry Jeremy Hoffman mayor Moore Jen saer Daniel sheno Vice chair goonan and chairwoman Barbara kurzak all right so we have nine and that's yeah that's our nine that's your nine at nine the alternates can participate if they like uh I also know that Katherine has uh listened or view the transcript or the video of the video I did he did too so both so if we needed him to vote they could but they won't be able to vote but they certainly can participate absolutely so feel free to ask questions and whatever uh whatever whatever you need and um all right let's let's move forward I may answer Caris behalf the after 725 Madison LLC uh we're here with regard guard to property at 711 bangs Avenue block 2506 L six um as the board may recall we were here previously on this application as a result of a number of Suggestions by the board right back to the drawing board revise the plans uh predominantly the first floor we had parking out very tight parking on the first floor we have eliminated the parking and at the board suggestion which we agreed with we put commercial down on that first floor one thing I do want to bring to the board's attention which I find in two of the reports that were generated by the board's experts they know in there that there's a commercial parking requirement and I would respectfully disagree with that and the reason I say that is this when you actually do look at the Redevelopment it does state it has two paragraphs for parking under the CBD mixed use first one has non-residential nonone for floor area and existing structures and for floor era structures that existed at the time of the adoption of the central business district Redevelopment plan or 10,000 square fet of non-residential construction whichever is greater there is a second paragraph under that in the re development plan I'm reading from page 12a that mentions new non-residential footprint constr struction requires space per th000 square ft now two points I want to bring up when you actually look at the amendment that was done for the Redevelopment plan amendment number or ordinance number 2912 it has in there on page two 2912 which was adopted August 6 2009 now I looked I didn't see that it was updated this is what I see the only thing I see for the amend for the Redevelopment plan and it says on page 12 below the paragraph setting forth the parking requirements from the CBD mixs district Revis the non-residential park requirement section to read as follows and what it has is that language that you find in the first paragraph doesn't have the second paragraph I believe and I could be wrong but the way I see it is that that second paragraph was the original paragraph but when it was updated the read development plan it wasn't updated consistent with what we're finding in the ordinance that was enacted in 2009 separate and apart this particular property although it is currently a vacant lot when you look at the history of this lot there was a building assessment on this property up until 2005 2006 onwards there is no building assessment it's only a land assessment which would tend to suggest that there had been a building there and it's certainly established by the fact that you have brick and you still see parts of the foundation on that particular L that being the case a building did exist at the time this Redevelopment plan was enacted and I believe the Redevelopment plan is enacted in 2002 or 2003 thus under paragraph one even if paragraph two was to still be enforceable which I don't believe it is based upon the amendment that occurred in 2009 separate apart based upon the fact there had been a building in existence in 2005 based upon the assessment records that I reviewed there would be no parking requirements in the commercial that is being proposed is under 10,000 square fet so before we get started I just wanted to bring that to the board's attention to consider as to whether or not there is in fact a commercial obligation which would then obviously go to whether or not we would have to pay into the fund for for Co x amount of parking spaces that were calculated all right all right I have I have a number of thoughts about that but rather testimony that re do you s were affirm the testimony that you're about to get to the board I do thank you state your name for the record your affiliation with the board Tom Miller board planner thank you get Sam too can jump in here okay board okay thank you so uh there was an amendment to the Redevelopment plan in 2018 okay where that text we're citing for the non-residential parking comes from because I was reading through the plan amendments it doesn't I didn't see it in there I I actually have a copy of the 2018 resolution great if you can sign that to me absolutely um I am curious though about this you said it's a in the assessor records there's a building when you look at the tax assessment records it has a building is listed or assessed until 2005 2006 they only assessed the land yeah yeah I'll send you the resolution okay thank you that was all shal Law Firm I don't know I think so can can we get some I'm asking for the board can we get some clarification here do we even have purview of all of this because none of us have whatever you're reading from none of us have whatever Donna has so none of us have the background that you're coming from and to Jack I'm asking do we even have a purview to even decide that well we'll we we we have to apply the law as it's written right mostern for I'm just finding this out now this dial okay so if Donna can Enlighten us according to this last ordinance Amendment what is the parking requirement if any for commercial what I've cited in my report and Sam has cited in his report is based on the 2018 Amendment to the CDD plan so and as far as we know that's the latest yes there were amendments after 2018 but they didn't affect the parking it was other stuff understood and so parking is required commercial use New nonresidential Uses yes except except if hold on a second but you're saying it is for for commercial use parking is required for non-residential use new non-residential use right so why your your point Andy would be that because it was a building but was demolished I mean wouldn't that be I mean it's not like if there was ever a building there it's like if a building's there now it doesn't now because when you read it it says none for floor area in existing structures and for floor area structures that existed at the time of the adoption of the Central Business Redevelopment plan yeah but you don't you don't have that floor area anymore but it did exist that building did exist at the time the CBD Redevelopment plan was enacted right but once the building is demolished you no longer have the FL a FL florer is only for a building fler is not for a land that's not what it says well what it says is that that existed at the time right and it exist that is it for that specific building or is it for read the close again because I don't have it says None for FL area in existing structures and okay for Flora area structures that existed at the time of the adoption of the Central Business Redevelopment plan the Flor areas that existed we it's a matter of interpretation does it mean that the building still has to exist well then why why separate those twoo I don't know then why have the building floor areas and a separate I don't know the first you do you have the and in case someone wants to buy a building and redevelop it that your grandfather didn't Right View if if it gets more than a superficial applic then the interpretation either goes to the zoning board or to the Redevelopment Authority is it is it our roal as a planning board to be interpreting the law or should our Council kind of take time and and give legal opinion of course there's always some interpretation of law okay but if you get down to whether there's a real decisive issue as to whether or not there's parking required or not and the ordinance has some uity whether would apply to this case or not then that's a zoning Bo issue yeah I mean I don't feel comfortable trying to adjudicate a question of what was the intent of the amendment in 2018 and how's that interpreted I mean you know as the chair mentioned we don't have the technical skills to make that determination it's not it wouldn't be within you can't go more than just on the surface anyway because then it becomes a zoning board issue under Section 70 of the land use law or in Redevelopment are sometimes it's the Redevelopment that we have to go with I know here the zoning office takes a position that it is not the Redevelopment agency that's basically the May Council but the land uh zoning board yeah so that adjudicates so then it unless it's clear that it applies or not then then we have to go to the zom board for an answer to the interpretation right because because really the bottom line here is that you're looking about you're looking to find out if you have to pay for five extra parking spaces that's what that's what the bottom line is it's a matter of $75,000 right right but it's still that's the bottom line and it's not within our purview so let's move on yeah no I mean yeah well I think what you're concerned too is that do you need to ask for Relief we would need relief yes well you you could have you you would be able to have the relief if it depends on what the zoning board says no no actually the board in the application could give the relief but whether or not we would have to pay would be a decision by The Zone board so the relief would come from this board if you know based upon the application that they approve if you guys approve the right because that that was coming to us anyway the relief was coming to us no matter what happened in all these Amendments have so that's fine so we can say you have to make a contribution for any require any required spaces and leave that to yeah leave that to the zoning board to figure out and then want if it is a zoning board because as much as you say the zoning Officer says this I believe you it might still go to the Redevelopment Authority which is mar account I'm telling you the zoning gol something we have to look into I believe but I I would tend to think based upon re development law it should go before the meor council as the re development agency that's my point i' have to look at the plan y for such a thing in general it's the zoning okay well you guys you guys work it out that's correct that's correct that's F yeah so we could proceed and as Michael said if it's required this is what you have to do and as far as we're concerned that's what the requirement will be unless you go to the zoning board and get Rel here that if the Redevelopment Authority agre it only right maybe not I might not agree with you I don't know I might agree with I say none of us know right now I don't know no I don't know I don't know the answer it's not us right the only thing we know is not us clarification we don't need relief if we pay into the fund for obligation so it's the choice that we have it'll it'll it'll be in the whatever the agreement is okay all right moving on moving on we understand we all understand um based upon the comments from the board at the last Hearing in this matter we did make certain revisions of two witnesses that will testify as to the revisions the plans first I'm going to call our engineer um who have previously testified on this matter definitely pleas raise your right hand again some swear firm at the testimony about given this matter be truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do I state your name for the rec DNE Galvin g a l v i n you still licensed in the state of M standing as a licensed professional engineer yes and you testified at the last here yes all right we're good to go let's go thank you okay no I was ask if not we'll go to a I think so yeah it'sing Ching ritual here or something just in case up to 83 83 that's what I see that's the last exhibitor that that's what we start start good Kathy I'm going to have you take a look at what's up on the screen are those most current plans were prepared relative to this matter yes uh that actually is sheet four of nine of the site plan set that was submitted recently to the board okay what I'm going to what and I'm sorry what's the date the date is the initial date was April 10th of 2024 and the latest revision is January 14th of 2025 okay and this is four you said sheet four sheet four four n but it's A3 for taking a look at four on a three can you please describe the board what we sure this is the um grading drainage and utility PL sheet um it includes the layout of the building um as well as all of the utility connections and various site improvements and what if any revisions were made from the last time we appeared sure so as Andy had previously noted the ground level of this building which was originally proposed as a parking garage has been revised to be retail space um because of the elimination of the parking garage the existing driveway that serviced the site and would have serviced the uh new garage um has been eliminated um and in eliminating the driveway entrance we're able to continue the PA band along the curve line along bangs Avenue and we're also able to install a street tree that we weren't able to squeeze in uh before when there was a driveway there so those are the major changes in the front of the building is that the driveways eliminated the paper band is extended and we can install a tree um and then in the rear of the building the building no longer extends the entire depth of the property there's a 5ft rear yard in the back that's fenced in um and that area is accessible through the retail space through a door in the rear of the building and you mentioned a tree that is being proposed on the front of the building can you please describe the kind of tree that is beened I think it's a London Plane Tree London Plane yeah I'm going to do soon yeah because I think I that's what yes London tree and there's no other room and no other Landscaping has been proposed am I correct that's correct and what about drainage for the site has that changed uh it's just been modified slightly because of the change to the building the original design had proposed a green roof um to accommodate the fact that the project is considered a minor development u based on the Asbury Park ordinance because of the reduction in the size of the building we were able to slightly reduced the amount of green move that was necessary to meet the standard um otherwise the design is the same all right is that the extent of the revision is that you've made to plans the engineering plans uh yeah okay what I want to do is just hit a few of the items in the review letters the updated review letters what I'm going to do is Mark as B brief identification the updated review letter from Leon S aaki and that's dated January 29th 2025 after taking a look at what's been marked as P3 the evoc letter dated January 29 2025 going to complete this review number five um makes mention of loading spaces none are required because retails under 3,000 s ft am I correct correct number six landscape plan indicat it's only one tree that's going to be planted in the front and that's a proposed London Plane Tree am I correct correct and all that information is on the plan and there's no Gras proposed which was one of the comments in the uh letter number seven talking about uh areas of the site retained as private or public common uh open space there is none in these plans am I correct correct as far as phasing building is going to go up as one unit it will not be a phase development am I correct correct but uh devel will meet with the city before any development to go over street closures and submit a plan relative to that am I correct yes and Cy closures correct yes going now to page three the eving letter sworm water um operation maintenance manual for the green roof no objection to that am I correct we'll provide that yes maintenance plan no issue with that am I correct correct as far as access to the roof as far as you understand we're going to provide a hatch and a ladder to provide access to that roof am I correct that's what I understand and we'll go through that with the architect right irrigation 13 is any irrigation being proposed no a street park and there is going to be no AER parking on site am I correct correct was just just one just one second if we can can we talk about the ladder this ladder that the architect will talk about the ladder correct okay lighting the architect will address that but there's no big street lights being proposed just what did I miss the off street parking did we go over that there is no off street parking they're asking for the Rel right but we're we're looking at the spaces so that's what it was discussing earlier so the board grants the relief it's either going to be up to the next agent to prove that it's 14 or n unless they determin to be 14 is this where we would see that there's an there's a that we're gaining a space on the street on the street yeah course you don't have the curve yeah you're not going to have curve okay I'm just asking if this is where we would say that up by eliminating the driveway there's additional space on the street now for okay continuing on exterior lighting um looking at this site right across the street there is a cob light am I correct directly across the street so no exterior lighting aside from accent lighting is being proposed on the site am I correct correct 321 is the London Plane irrigation uh irrigation will be with the architect already IND sign will be addressed by the architect the remaining items will be addressed by the architect under the general comments the last thing I'll have you addressed on page six um staging we already went through we'll meet with the city go through a stage in plan to ensure pedestrian safety vehicular safety um no issue with 24 you've already addressed that by adding a not to the plan am I correct correct as far as the construed sidewalk uh payment repair youve already added a not to the plan number 25 am I correct correct hold on what about the signs I said sign I already signage shall be the architect the architect yeah um 26 Publican water sewer you've added that plan am I correct that note to the plan yes um connection fees no issue with that will make the required connection fees am I correct yes and says 28 correspondence from the owner the rear utility poll shall be submitted to reflect the what's up be gone can you address that utility PA in the back uh whether being removed now Notre oh yeah the building doesn't conflict with the hey how about you oh yeah the shade tree commission um we'll submit to the shade tree commission what is being proposed in London PL tree I believe that addresses all the too small to the reare area we know it's going to be used for because it's not there is a discrepancy if we are going to do that's not the architectural PL the door the architect will talk about that they're going to add the door and their plans to match but the rear yard area is just going to be it's just going to be gravel there's nobody there's no nobody back there and the the real one is the gr elev difference you know what we how we add all right now Architects Architects doing 30 also I'm sorry The Architects doing 30 about their access to the retail space it's really going to be a sure that's okay yes and I don't believe there's anything in the CCH report why don't we Mark that is V before CCH report updated January 29 2025 and who's who's going to speak about the ref refu area the size of the ref refu area AR okay architect has a lot to testify I I can see that from my notes okay that's all the questions I have so the lighting plan there's no lighting plan no talk about the building mounted fixtures that are proposed okay does anyone have any uh members of the board have any questions for the engineer I have two um last time we talked there was an encroachment issue with the meters of the building next door is that still present or what's what's that's not going to change until we actually begin construction before being construction I know my client has reached out to the Jason property owner and I know they've playing telephone tag a little bit but they're trying to get communication to discuss how that's going to work I just thought I had read in one of the reports it's no longer there's no longer a conflict I can't say that there's not an encroachment but they have altered their building slightly so there's um a gap now between the two buildings and that's the architect also I I expect we'll hear more from the architect the dimensions it um my only other one was since obviously we took out the parking garage that means we also took out bike parking my my question was and James down there like would a bike rack on the street like move the needle or or not you ask me well yeah both of you uh depends on the place of that tree trying to get probably not uh now that there's no drive you know ramp there there's probably space for one it just depends on the place with that tree yeah we we located the tree to kind of split the difference between the trees on either side of it keep it pretty evenly spaced I guess my question would be like could you consider putting in a bike rack since there's no oh yeah there's plenty of room okay bike any other questions from members of the board any questions from uh our Professionals for the board from the our board Professionals for this witness no any questions from the public for this this witness no okay next okay thank you y sir please raise your right hand where from I do please state your name for the record Daniel zeneto z n e t o thank you I Dan you're familiar with this application yes have you testified relative to this application previously uh no my colleague Daniel Condor testified at the previous meeting but you're familiar with this application the plans have prepare for this application am I correct yes let's give the board the benefit of your qualifications before you get into things you're a licensed architect in state New Jersey yes and your license is currently with yes how long have you been such uh licensed in 2003 or 23 2023 as we ask this question regarding your familiarity with the plans and drawings calculations and a lot yes okay thank you then I'm going to have you take a look what's up on the board and we've marked that as A4 for identification those are plans that prepared by mode that you're familiar with am I correct correct and mode is your employer that's who you work for as an architect am I correct correct and a lot of revisions have been made to these plans following the last hearing we had in this matter am I correct yes what I want to do is go through the revisions of plans in detail so the board is familiar with what has been done um with the project okay um I can start here at the front elevation now this is a new exhibit that was prepared for tonight's presentation so it's a little bit uh updated from what you have in front of you just with some minor Corrections and things to address some of the items that were in the review letters um so the as you know the main revision to the the plan here is the uh deletion of the off street parking and the addition of the commercial ground floor space um that has allowed us to make a a greater storefront area um Engage The Pedestrian Zone and the upper floors are also been um reconfigured that the interior layouts the footprint of the building was adjusted to provide a 5- foot rear yard setback which allowed the units to be reoriented towards the front and the back of the uh the building so uh starting at the ground floor this is about a 2400 ft retail space we have two exit stairs that both have corridors leading to the the front for ESS um we're considering this Corridor on the right kind of the main entrance to the building access for the residents and this is more on the left is more of just an exit only kind of corridor um your lobby and your elevator are located here uh currently there's a utility room and a trash room on this floor we'll talk about those uh as we go through the review comments as well and the upper floors each before we before we continue wasn't there another change on in this building the footprint of this building right the was the other change there's a 5ot rear set was there anything on the side of the building changed on the side of the building no so both yes there was yes okay was the building pulled off a little bit from the adjacent property at least in the notes it stated it was yeah the Western Wall look yeah did the Western Wall come off a little bit provide a little area little relief between the two buildings uh I I would have to check I mean I have it drawn here at the at the property line so I'm not not sure that it had actually that's not drawn on the property line there's a space well the property line is the dash line that you see here okay so there's something wrong either in the descriptions that we've read or on these plans there's something wrong all we'll get clarification on that go on okay uh the upper upper floors we have two dwelling units on each floor or two bedroom units and that's on Floors 2 three and then on the uh the fourth floor the units also have access to a penthouse and roof deck and this is all similar to how it was laid out previously uh on the roof we have a small green roof area as well as green roof on top of the penthouse roofs and an area for mechanical equipment in the center of the building I'm sorry what's marked is the first floor plan that's actually the Second Story That's first floor for residential but yes the second above grade so is that one unit or two units you have two units on each floor so it says Unit A so okay I guess it's just missing the label for Unit B uh Missing the label there that should be unit on the second floor you have two unit A's correct that should also be Unit A and Unit B in the back so it's a total of six units my six units total three over one unit three floors of residential over one floor retail we need we need those rectified and just to be clear we have in every unit we have a windowless bedroom in every unit there is one in each unit correct in the center and those according to the city are indeed bedrooms windowless rooms they are indeed called bedrooms from the city's perspective considered a bedroom because it's got a door and closet okay so it has my understanding is here if you have other means of light and ventilation then it doesn't need a window under the building code it would need to have mechanical uh ventilation in and light yes so so let me ask you was because now you're set back 5 ft from the rear yard right mhm so could you not have a legal window there in that bedroom since you're a rear yard now that window does have a a a window it's the about the middle one and that's part of the reason why I updated this elevation here the rear elevation to show those windows for the the rear units it's the central bedroom talking you mind I know where it says primary bedroom yeah I don't see I don't see a window in the primary bedroom so it's just not shown on these ples but there's also a bedroom in the middle of the architectural plan then scre right right there that's the one that doesn't have a window right for this unit but it looks like the primary doesn't have a window either the primary does where is that that's that's on the revised elevation here right there okay so this is the street elevation this is the rear elevation this is the the primary bedroom this is the living room with the the slider and the window so may yeah I don't I don't I don't get it I don't understand why we don't have updated plants I don't get it the plant these are the new elevations that are being provided plant the next page right there floor plans don't show the floor plans don't show us what we're that was just an error the plan there should be windows on each of these rooms from the rear so where where do we discuss the ventilation of this windowless bedroom where who talks about that because that's required is there ventilation that's going to be provided within those bedrooms that don't have Windows yes they'll be provided with ventilation and where would I see them on these plants uh we don't have engineered mechanical drawings at this point I mean once we move on to approved uh construction documents then we would so is that something that you would approve Sam or is that something that building traditionally no so that's building like conru construction would approve that okay okay I just since we have a low the clarification the previous application had 355 6 in now you have 355 or 36 excuse me so your width of the building went down 1 inch now so that's that's the ship that we're just talking about that's just looking so looking at last application the building width if you look on the top is 365 now they have 366 so it looks like it is still on the property line um but I just so essentially there's nothing engineering plan shows A9 foot offset so like 11 in so right so are we saying 11 in or we it's just 9 yeah is it 09t 9 is what I'm seeing on an inch on either side of the building they ABD up to the adjacent buildings so the 0.09 is not 09 is incorrect that's on all of our plans no it's 09 I'm yeah I'm saying oh 09 09 is better oh so it's so it's an inch so it is an inch not 11 inches okay okay except for that Corridor that runs on either actually it does that is included all right continuing on the elevation of the ground floor there's a difference between the front elevation the rear elevation of the property am I correct correct how's that been dealt with so there's two ways that uh we'll deal with that change in elevation um and I think it will depend once we get out there and we can do some exploratory test pits to see what uh kind of adjacent structures we're dealing with here but we will either provide a retaining wall and then lower the grade in this area the 5ft area behind the building to meet the finished floor of the retail space or we'll provide steps inside the retail space to a landing and a door out to be in the front it would wouldn't be or you're saying so either way like if you just dig a hole you're going to be creating a pting issue in we it's like that's no go to me unless you move that water don't see how you're do if in that case we would we'd provide a stair inside the the retail space up they could do that you just it would it's like four feet what is that five steps six steps so you have to show yeah you'd have to show I mean that's something you comfortable say okay that's so what he said so there's a foot difference from the rear of the yard to the front of the yard the rear is high the rear is the rear is higher yeah so you have to put a Sewell somewhere or theoretically you could also excavate down and build down but then what you're doing is you're building everything down and you're creating just a pond in the back you don't want to do that um so if you don't do that you just be taking up you probably better how much space would be taken up so is there a door from the retail space to the backyard there will be yeah it's not shown in this plan but there will yes even though it doesn't go anywhere even though it doesn't go anywhere just to service that area you know clean trash whatever happens to blow in that space just keep it maintained it's three feet it's three feet so then like Ian you'd also then have did you show on your render the wall you have out three foot wall like that's so you're just sh a wall all so you could do it this would come up and then this door would come up a little bit 3et y right where's where's this wall I don't see a wall so they don't show it so there's a 3ft discrepancy that they're not sh so that door would be braised so youd have to also then have staired Wall inside to get it out it can be done it'll just take up a lot more space but to provide that rear egress that's what would have to be done if I correct yeah and it is not an egress rear rear set access access okay in terms of the roof um access to the roof why don't we talk about that can we I'm sorry I'm sorry can we get back to the to the to the first floor I'm sorry the ground floor retail space is there one or two retail spaces there's one retail space there's one full retail space so there's one point of e one point of egress is the front door and the other point of egress is by stair B so it's one retail space right and we're not counting the door going out as an egress that's just what is that the door to the rear is not just access to no cuz there's no way out of that alley it's just for maintenance okay thank you all right go now to the roof let's talk about what's up on the roof and the access to that roof okay so on the roof you have um two small penth house that serve the units below there's a green roof area that's used for the storm water management and a mechanical space in between the two what's the for that roof area um you have it on the top right so that's 3,242 foot roof area 20% 646 I'm sorry say that again so 20% the total roof is 648 Square ft what's being provided is 490 Square ft below the max of 20% am I correct yes the mechanical units those based upon the location are screen so you're not going to be able to see those in the straight am I correct right they're set back from the from the street as well as being tucked behind the unit a penthouse very good access to the roof how is that going to be accommodated access to the roof will be provided um within one of the stairwells uh we we'll have a ladder and a hatch up to the roof and then there's also so could you show us where that is it's G to interfere with the green roof won't it if we put it in here it's not but so if you put it there still I think it's yeah it's going to go right into the green roof extend these either or elevator to the roof yeah want you just make a bigger elevator B kit well the elevator I don't think makes any sense be staircase does that say elevator over there is an elevator yeah but to send that up to the roof doesn't make any sense but you have you have a structure on the roof right for the over it says elevator over the overon is just an area that pops up above the roof to right but there's no access through that elevator bulkhead and how tall is it the elevator um the overall is it theight 10 10 sorry it's typically only about four or five feet above the height of the roof and you don't need a stair access to the roof we were proposing hat a ladder and a hatch with occupied room through staircase but we still need to know where the ladder is going to be and is the ladder attached to the hatch or or is this a portable ladder no it's better not be portable ladder fixed ladder within on on attached to the wall within the stair okay we need to see where that is it's not shown it's uh something that we would add based on you point out where would be on the floor plan so we would put it uh here at the top Landing it would be attached to the side yeah that's not an uncommon thing to Prov provide access to the roof that way now the individual units that have penous those have their own staircases up to the roof am I correct correct the units on the uh the top floor have stare up to the penthouse and if any large equipment needed to be brought up to the roof it could be done through one of the units if need be could could you just show on on on this drawing where the roof AIS would be relative where's the hatch yeah it would be it would be somewhere in this area so you have have a roof drain there it may work at stair stairwell b um I see we would add that to certainly add that to the plan midle this one here yeah are there any dimensional requirements for the green Ro they could yes yes all right in turn wait we have not finished where is the hatch where is it because right now it looks like it's in the middle of the green roof we would adjust we would adjust the green roof as needed I would I would like to put it here because this way here where in this St yes um cuz this way the the hatch would be in this area and you would step out onto the roof as opposed to putting the ladder here and then coming up next to the edge of the roof which would not be ideal but so you're proposing the staircase on the right for the half staircase on you can move the green roof to accommodate that the green roof we can we can adjust the outline the footprint of that green roof as needed so the green Ro could move to the left I could move this in and and make this deeper here and move these units so we're not either way TI to the shape of that green roof we'll maintain the square footage of that green roof but we would adjust it as needed to work around the roof hatch I mean you could put it on the left side of the penthouse as well it could be right doesn't have to be as wide as it is on that side correct it could be it could yeah we could reshape if you put it on the wall next to the elevator then it would come up it wouldn't it wouldn't interfere with the green roof at all cuz it would come out come up like behind where the elevator over one structur is actually Dan you're right that it's that if you put it in the hallway by the elevator you could just go right up there yeah next to the elevator and it would not it would not it wouldn't interfere in anything up right right want hatch typically we try to put these out of the way should be in the ceiling right try to put the the you know the the the ladder to the hatch in a in a way in an area that's out of the way and not in a a main Corridor most of the people using this building are going to be taking the elevator so to put it in the stair would be preferred it's out of the way it's not visible um and again you can move the green roof to accommodator easy enough to do okay okay all right um two other matters I want number of other matters I want to go through the trash a why don't we discuss that size of the trash are any revisions that are being So currently the trash room is about 6x6 um we would propose to make that larger now based on the review letter um to about 6X 12 which is you know double the size and that would meet the 72 square ft which is uh 12 square ft per dwelling unit um so that would be proposed in this area here we'd make this larger possibly flip the utility closet to the uh the other side of the elevator and that would be sufficient accommodate all the trash in the building am I correct yes okay residential trash and what about the commercial trash that also go into that room the commercial trash uh could be shared with in that room um if it need be we could make that room larger it's it shouldn't be shared I mean it can be shared but it's either going to be shared or it's not going to be be shared so we but it's all going to go into that room right if it's all going to go in the room then it has to be a bigger room a separate standard for commercial refuse it may really enlarge that room so maybe just well the alternative is to do right within the retail space Also that we can do just have their own little and I'm not sure if Carter wants to talk to you yeah I mean one not out loud not out loud Carter I can't have you talking out loud on the record so why don't you talk to Andy but we we could either accommodate there or separately for the retail you have a little Trash area um all right next lighting for the building what is been so excuse me lighting for the building we have uh only two exterior accent lights at the ground floor that are proposed these two sconces here for the exterior lighting and the Kelvin are no more than 2700 Kelvin on those legs uh that's correct I can pull a cut sheet here um this is the proposed light so this has interchangeable bulbs we can put in the the correct Kelvin temperature bulb um to comply with the requirement okay and what about on the roof uh we're not showing Lighting on the roof but if if we did have accent lighting there it would be similar to what we have the same fixture and these are these just accent lights are not for overall lighting the site or sight Lighting in any way it's just accident Lighting on the building okay excuse me are you saying you're not excuse me are you saying you're not putting any accent lighting on the roof on the penw I mean he said if we do it'll just if if we do it be the same fixture can can we stop with the ifs and maybe and possies are we going to have Lighting on the roof yes yes are there going to be sconces or something on the roof we'll have the same fix there will be fixtures on the roof at the pen houses downward phas say no more than 20 K that is not a downward fixt but we would you would do a downward facing line okay we would need to see those fixtures can we put that on the list please is there any light on the balconies no no can you show the top of the building again the elevation sure so is that is that my just the way we're looking looking at it because it seems like the the windows from the penthouse well they're not scented in that wall though of the penthouse wall are they they appear not to be and they're sort of not in line with the the windows and that go down the middle of the building right so in the penthouse there's a stair on the right side So within that space it's centered between the stair and the on the wall that Penthouse is also set back set back really in theef while we're talking about that um is it true that that the two residential doors are totally two different residential doors on the first floor not on the first floor I guess it's on the ground level they two different doors right one is U meant to be kind of an exit and this is really just meant to kind of blend in with the facade and then this is the main entrance for the for the residential so this is more of a glass store so that was the intent there is that is that something that our is is that what the board thinks is so are people not that the entrance store they yeah they can yes this is the main this is the main so they can come in and do they come and go here and this is really only emergency eggs they kind of use well so if I live there can I use the left door to go in to go in you probably you would use the door on the right but can I use the door on the left I would say you could okay so it's always open I can come and go with ke fob or whatever would those be they eery emergency grass all right so you can't go in all right so yeah I agree with you uh bar and it looks in congruous right that you have two different doors right but then you have you have the scones that make it look like you can I don't know yeah about that I I yeah but the ground floor doesn't look you know go shouldn't the doors be the same right they either should be the same or they should be of the same modern Colonial I mean not that I'm an architect believe me but they're two different styles of doors completely same door but one glass and one is panels or something I'll be honest with you it's the whole thing like as you said Don it looks off like the the retail the windows are all the windows and doors are pels to the right in other words you know if you're going to do it like you know the door entrance for the store if move it over one unless it's invisible where it looks just like the plate glass but if it looks different from the pl list then it should be matching at least in alignment with the Upper Floor windows and again if we look at the penthouse the penthouse is totally off a few things first of all can you realign those doors yes we can we can re those do in terms of the doors on either side the one door is leading into the lobby that's the main focus of the do is where people are going to enter and access am I correct correct the other door is merely an EG door emergency eges door correct so you're not bringing attention to that architecturally because that's not the focus of the building am I correct correct so you want that basically to be nondescript correct correct and it should not have panels like that is well so is the main entrance store going to be um clear glass frosted glass clear glass clear glass you know maybe it to make it seem a little bit more symmetrical you use a glass door for the secondary entrance but it's frosted so that's and you might have to but it's not a secondary entrance make it just like a panel a panel door is fine just a non-descript panel you know don't make it look like a door make it look like part of the storefront something now it's something non-descript so it doesn't bring attention to itself that I agree with um so we'll change that door and then how are you lighting so the the script I feel like it should look like the first door but just not be transparent not at all no because it's like what you see on most buildings most buildings you don't notice them but a lot of your buildings have two an emergency egress but you don't want people going to that door because that's not where they're going in they're going to the main so you want to make it non thep to their point you know there's a certain symmetrical feeling about the ground floor where you're flanking the center of the mass with these two doors and they don't match so they feel wonky if even if it's a solid door without panels just a plain blank it's still going to seem like there's this weird I don't think they should match because you don't want to bring attention to it I agree you don't want to bring attention to it I prefer the old layout which had the lobby in the front and everything loaded on the right hand side and then where the garage was could have been the ster entrance and I thought that was actually a very good split of the ground Flor space but this is what we have architecturally this works in terms of the plan that we proposing but we would make that door to the left nondescript and you would Center more those commercial doors am I correct yeah we can rework this door front anyway to Center the doors and the windows above now also in terms of a bulkhead the Redevelopment plan requires a bulkhead no problem with adding that uh the curve at the storefront is not a problem sorry ducky I thought my dog can I ask you a question so the East part of the East the building is not symmetrical right so like the eastern part is wider than you know I'm talking about split by the three long Windows the balconies so the eastern part is wider right than the why is that why wasn't the building built like designed symmetrically what stops it from what stops the three or whatever full length Windows being in the direct center of the building and equal on each side so it it's uh having to do with the the layout of the units inside and the split between the living room and the primary bedroom and it's just the the location of the balcony so if you want the primary bedroom the master to has sufficient square footage you can't have that balcony that's basically interjecting into that primary bedroom am I correct correct and that's why you have it a little bit to the left to provide for a nice layout through that unit am I correct right you could have been a smaller balcony could could have cut you could cut small bcon I think that the balcony is size in a way that it would be but the balcony size appropriate for the space yeah it's not the balcony it's the bedom the bedroom is 14 almost 15 ft in that Dimension so that's what's determining what what's the center where the center Falls if you made a narrower bedroom then you get your balcony shifted over to the east whether it's 12 ft or 10 ft or whatever where it starts is by the plus maybe it's just me I think that asymmetry and floor is to2 floor looks nice yeah I'm not bothered by it but the ground floor I think needs to agree the asymmetry where on Floors 2 3 and four mhm just having the the articulation kind of a little offc center it's a subjective view of it but but also then what about the what about the the penthouse where to have that aligned with to align that a little bit to the right you can't see the the thing with the penthouse is that you're never going to read it in the way that you on the plan it's set so far back that you won't really see that penthouse from the street it is centered over the balcony it's just the whole thing is centered over the balconies but then you just have two panels back cuz there's a staircase cuz we're not going to see it doesn't matter you can't see it tree the Forest right it is I'm guessing around 14t I was going to say 14 shouldn't it be 20 isn't it supposed to be 20 no So based upon the setback of that balcony or that Penthouse it's around 14 to 15 ft eyeballing there you're not really going to see that the St M no I don't um bike racks any biker AC hold on a second that that's a definite if I'm walking on the sidewalk the other side of the street I'm not going to be able to see it's not a maybe it's a Dev if you're 14 or 15 ft back I think you'd be hard for us to see this I mean the people in the building across the street no no I'm just talking about somebody walking down the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street they're not going to be able to see the pet house I think it's going to be extremely tough for them to say set back that far that's I mean you can't be able to f 10 I'm not very tall so there's no way I'm going to say it somebody taller may say it discuss bike racks So currently we do not have bike racks in the building but we would be open to providing a bike room take away from some of the retail space and create create a uh bike parking room is that going to include any storage for the for anyone in the building or is it just just bike a bike room that would just be for bikes bikes no storage and where would that go that we go somewhere along here in uh in the retail space south of the elevator it's kind of difficult to Envision somewhere well when you say somewhere and I say somewhere may not be the same at all right can you so I'm responding to the comments that were in the review letter I'm trying to describe it as best I can but well let's why don't we why don't we why don't we level set Jim we're going to need to see this CU there's so many things that are maybe possibly they weren't included they're not here we're going to need to see them at some point so just put them on the list and we'll see them so let's we can move on okay we'll see them because I I I don't have that much of an imagination when we're all done we'll go down the list yes once we're all done we'll go down the list you want listen we read through the review letter and what a lot of these responses are in response to the review letter but there's only so much amount of time to be able to get revised plans before we come to the he so certainly will'll accommodate a lot of these suggestions yep in that review letter review letter and I had asked for a bike rack on the street if there's a bike room I don't I don't need a bike rack on the street yeah they search it for purp it won't hurt because okay never mind never mind we'll keep the bike help people um I think we would have a room similar in size to what we show here for the trash room which is about 6x6 and we add wall mounted um bike racks so you could get three on each side one for each unit m I just have a quick question about the front elevation I don't know if I'm reading it wrong but when back to the doors and it a sectional garage door is that just a label that's a Mis label and that was fixed in this uh elevation here because it's just an old CU it and then it says it points to an outdoor wall scon I think on the other side right like that Arrow the leader goes well this is updated I see yeah those those were things that were fixed here sorry I couldn't I my screen thank you terms of signage what is been proposed for build we're showing a a sign above the uh the retail door there um and we would have that sign comply with the the size that's uh Allowed by the zoning and what about for the retail space the retail space uh they can either have signage on the the glazing or we could um we could relocate this building signage to above the entry door and just have the number 7-Eleven above the entry door and this could be become retail and we'll submit plans down a shown where we're going to put both the retail and the residential signage am I correct correct so the storefront is above the glass like it's shaded is that just FR a shadow it's a shadow yeah that's all clear glass correct so the 7-Eleven Banks is that that's off center it's it's centered on the door but if those doors move the signage would be centered on yeah that'll be centered and that'll be the commercial sign you'll move the 711 to over the doorway like correct correct okay could you do a blade sign too reps bar Rel that right away for the front facade your proposed a red cor I correct correct and that's similar to what you find on the building on the right hand side when we're facing this building correct correct so it's similar to Inc consistent with what you're finding on bangs Avenue even buildings further down on bangs Avenue closer to cook am I correct yes and in terms of the height it's 3 over one the height is similar to the building immediately to the right you building correct correct similar in height also across the street where you have it through over one also correct correct so it's similar to what you're finding in ad Jason buildings although there is variation on the street correct yes and you using black frame Windows you're using black frames yes and the what of the masonary under the what is that the the gray is it is it Stone what is it uh architectural metal oh it's metal you mean the balcony no under the balconies yeah the balcon balcony yeah that would be architectural metal trim as far as mail and deliveries where's that can take uh we will revise the plan to show a small mail room in the main entrance and that'll provide both for mail and delivery such as UPS or fatex or what correct Amazon can we I know that you said yes to a lot of things um but when we're talking about the brick you'd mention that there's red brick on the on the on the building right next door is that the same are we going with the same color is it going to be different cuz I know that you also said well it looks the same as some other things closer to cookman so is it like the building next door or is it going to be different than the building next door I don't think you you want to match exactly no I'm asking I'm asking yeah I think it would be similar I wouldn't say it's an exact match nor would we try to exact match so next time you come you'll have samples sure okay yes thank you as far as the red brick goes it's going to be brick correct I seem to have seen someplace on one of your drawings where it indicated uh a brick face it's not going to be a brick face it's to be actually brick well it's probably not going to be your massive bricks that's not used in any construction rarely is that used it's usually that it would it would be a a thin brick product which is a clay brick but it's a thinner brick it's a it's a it's an adhered veneer brick yeah rarely do you see buildings going up anymore with actual brick so similar to what was used on 527 bangs and 614 cookman correct yeah except the fin house and speaking of 527 bangs the U uh facade in the front is going to have it's not going to be for a cealing glass it's going to have a KN wall you're talking the commercial yes correct we're going to add that in there okay A a what's it called thehe so be a solid panel yeah we address from the sidewalk up okay and why why have you have your attention um I assume all the balconies are the same size yes is that correct the front and rear just double check on this reason I asked is because on the plan it's not Dimension there's dimension on one balcony and there's a dimension on another one but not all the balconies are not dimensioned 12 they're they're about 121 by 5 foot give or take an inch yeah one The Backs is 5' one inch yeah just like them all labeled as to what they really are oh yeah it say 12 foot 3 in wide in the back and and 5' 1 in depth and the front's a little uh a little narrower little smaller in general all right going through the review letters we going to start with the vacum letter that we marked as B3 for identification I believe we've gone through most of this going to page 312 maintenance personal access to the roof we've already discussed the latter in the hatch am I correct correct 15 the requirements for bike racks and storage we've already discussed that am I correct what we're proposing yes 16 we' discuss I'm sorry exterior lighting we've discussed and provided testimony on the exterior lighting we can up the plans on that am I correct yes 16 uh Max temperature the exterior lights not to exceed 2700 Kelvin not an issue am I correct correct terms of compatibility with surrounding buildings number 17 we just testified as to the brick relative to that am I correct yes number 18 we'll submit a letter from the utility provider not an issue with that um utility distribution installed on the ground no issue with that not the recycling signage in 22 we've discussed that am I correct yes yes last page of the engineer review letter 29 decides is is a variance required for the the sign propos we're going to comply you're going to 29 you rear Act access we've already discussed that am I correct yes um access to St HP we've discussed that am I correct yes and the elevations we discussed that already am I correct 31 yes going into before before which is a CCH letter again I think we've covered most if not all of this the can you um sure give us a calculation on the plans for the storefront glass area yes yeah we'll revise as it is now it's 73% but we'll include that on there course okay you're going to give us the bul right on the bottom of the storefronts correct still doing sliding glass doors uh correct you're going to shift the window alignment slightly of the the doors right okay you're going to grab samples for the brick uh you're going to change the sign and give us sheets for the lights and given us a bike rack out front um and a street tree uh please um def add the um planting details from 30 572 stre tree um you're going to enlarge the refuse area um is the commercial garbage going to be with the residential or we'll take a look at that but what we'll do something on uh meters utility meters where uity meters U utility meters we propose to locate them in the in the exit Corridor on the ground floor uh but this will have to be coordinated with the utility provider yeah the problem is that they're going to dictate ultimately where are they're going to go um does the board want to um give them some guidance about any exterior mounted meters if they need to be or have them come back if there need to be exterior M meters what's up to with Sam I think what saying like atically they're be she saying they're gonna have to be put it's very limited there's very limited space for it to go you'll have to be in the right way away if it's put there on the one thing we can suggest although ultimately it's going to be the utility company that dictates where the meters are going to go where that left door is that e store we can push that back a little bit and then try to get years see if they can agree to have that makes sense so and we going to have the are we going to have the uh commercial HB in the back or on the roof on the roof okay so the utility room is not for the utilties The Meters not that do we have the type of glass cuz I know you'd mentioned about the calculation of for the storefront but wasn't there a type of glass also that you were questioning testified it was going to be clear it was going to be clear okay that's what you wanted be clear GL okay and is the light you know like at nightt the street from the hallway entrance we don't have any information about the interior lighting uh oh it's not going to be a garage lighting it's going to be you know interior hway mod um right the B yes um Donna on uh on on your letter on page six there was a question of that were saying that they're red briak and gray railings I didn't see any gray railings here um is that a change on theing well it says on the proposed building it says gray railings Gray stucko accents you said that's metal the railings are yeah are the railings going to be gray yeah cable rail cable rail so the the metal would be gray or black metal gray charcoal I mean charcoal black does that mean Gray black no I'm saying that because the the the buildings next door are black yeah so are we agreeing as a group that they should be gray because that's different so I don't know what the difference is between charcoal and black as a decorative color so without samples um he's testified to Black for trim the plans call out charcoal uh cable rail gray paintt finish um black alumina frame Windows do you want to see what charcoal looks like compared to Black well no not charcoal as opposed to black I'm looking at gray because it says red brick with gray railings everything in that area has has either charcoal or black railings from what I see all the buildings in that area are have black or charcoal but then you know that that's a question again it's subjective taste do you want to match every building or do you want to do something a little bit different I'm asking what I'm asking what you're proposing mat the building next door or whatever else is in the neighborhood but I think it would be fair for you to understand what the colors are that that the net should be with the materials that we've requested we should have you want the colors for the for the railings rail for the railings for the railings for the railings as well as the as the the Brick and like you said the there was a difference in charcoal and black so we whatever that's going to be give us some samples for the metals sure M can you memory about the setbacks setback here what there were none required there are none requir this backs up to what the hardware right that's a park on for the hardware store which is probably eventually a development sign and they would have no setbacks either two bilding and that was the purpose of the CBD they wanted to create that semi-urban area because that is what had existed yeah but historic I mean listen I don't know anywhere where you know where you build residential buildings up above and first of all I know you can't have legal operable Windows within 30 ft of each other 50 ft of each other in New York City but certainly 10 foot looking into somebody's window if they both did a 5 foot uh setback but here you know you'd have Windows on top of windows it's it's not your you're following the law just bad so I think part of the thing was there was an anticipation that maybe more than 30 foot wide Lots were going to be revelop I get more closer to full block Redevelopment existing buildings like um um 614 bu you know re revitalization of buildings like that they're already building the building um but yeah these these there's something to think about about going forward in the city right that you nobody built here for years but if you can build up you build buildings next to each other and stuff there there's not a lot left in the CB day in the CB correct yeah even Main Street very few VAC watchs on the CB did you go over everything that you wanted to Don yeah I think they've addressed that I concern about can you can you just refresh our memories on on on page six of 12 where it says lot encroachment does the does the neighbor to the west is it just that they're going to have to I don't know do they have to do they have to board up their windows or do they just leave their windows and you just build an inch away from them I mean how does that work I'm just only because I don't know I I can't say what they are going to what can do they have to do anything that's my guess with I'm asking that I don't know that I don't know I do know that my client has reached out to them and I know that they had tried to again touch my client who been playing telephone attack so we are trying to work through with that okay um you know the lava yeah I was just wondering about if if if you own like let's say if you let's say if you represented that CL the one on the west do they have to do something or can they just leave them as their windows and you know it is what it is I would suspect that they have to do it did they have to do something you know again I'll talk to New York i' I've lost Windows in the building yeah you have windows that are on your lot line me that's why there's a difference between lot line windows and regular windows so if they had lot line windows that could be fireproof they got to be you know closed up and fire so then somebody has to they have to pay for that that's not us not them no no I no I I I get it you're right I just didn't know what the law on that would be so they so in New York it is you have to close it up but over here we're not really sure and that's not really for the board to it's not within our purview at all it's just a question okay all right uh is it my understanding is my understanding correct that the uh uh doors on the commercial uh unit when they open encroach on the sidewalk is that correct uh they they do swing outward uh I believe they would swing over the line right away does the retail stor it looks like the residential does residential should oh slightly over well if we'll we'll recess that so that the doors don't swing down they should but also but also as you mentioned that if we end up putting the Mechanicals there that's going to be a whole another ball of wax cuz which way is the door going to go but you have enough room to work with that okay any other plan any other questions from planning board members any other questions from our professionals any questions from the public no okay um do we have to do the the comments from the public now no because they're going to come back no I understand I'm just saying that we do that when we're all done okay we're all done okay all right so do we want to go through the list of things that we are interested in seeing besides the list that Donna already provided no okay so should we go through because I I I have a I mean it's up to you which way we want to go you have I've got I've got a I've got a list all right uh we're going to show where the hatch ladder is we're going to um show where the Bike Room is uh show where the signage will be um we're going to need see where the mailboxes are going to be we're going to show where the re refuse area is going to be the expanded with retail and non- Retail uh show the calculation about the storefront glass we're going to show the steps on the rear we're going to show the the back windows on bedrooms all the bedrooms and whatever and dining rooms or whatever let's just say we're going to show all the windows all right uh we're going to show the door at the back of the building besides the steps we want to see the door too um floor plan labels floor plan labels have to be revised uh we want to see the fixtures on the penthouse the light fixtures on the penthouse we want to see the real realignment of the retail doors we want to see the door that's going to be used on for the ex exit door on the first floor on the retail floor um we want to see the setback of the penthouse I don't think that we have that I don't think that we actually saw that like the 14 ft when we were talking 14t 15t we want to actually see what that is um we want to remove anything on all the plans having to do with garage door references because that doesn't exist anymore uh we want to see the samples of the the facades the the gray the the charcoal all that we want to see the knee wall okay and the brick yeah we want to see the brick and uh we want to add the balcony Dimensions I think that that's you want clarification of is the you know was the building set back on the west side or not you know we see we see a little face what's the real setbacks on all sides did you say h the hatch the hatch yes said the hatch door the windows the yes not covered you said bike racks interior Bike Room yeah interior bike room and add the bike rack on the outside ref room yes the refu room yes and we also mentioned about the that the exit door where the Mechanicals might be how far back will that go and where would the mechanic end up if that's where was there issue about the location of the retail door yes yes that also yes I mentioned that um oh the movement of the green roof so that the hatch is not in the green roof um let me see what else I have I think that that is everything that I have how about adding the uh site of view from the street as to the uh the penthouse Penthouse yes that's fair does anybody else have anything else that they might have had in their notes that I didn't catch no one all right oh got about the lighting on the pen houses got yeah got that and yeah please put a note on the plan if you're not going to no balcony lights okay yeah unless you're going to want change that sub I think we had we going to I think we said we're going to add some balcony that are downward and bring it in bring it in and show I think I would like a note on the architectural plans that indicate mechanical ventilation will be provided for bedrooms or sing room please we could have that yeah that would have I had that down as a condition of approval anyway so that's fine put it in there there was also something that I noticed on I'm sorry the engineering plans there's a fence where there's a 6t high board on board aluminum fence is that staying I believe so is it yes I believe I'll double check on that but why don't we add that to the list going that's what it's going to be I thought there was testimony last time uh it could have been last time on the plan yeah it's on the plan I just if we're going to have it let's keep it on the plan if it's not let's remove it because we didn't mention it today that's all anything else no okay are you do you have what you need Jack yes I have what I need I believe Andy has a few minut obviously we're going to have to set another date Andy I'm going to need you to wave any time requirements on the ml wave thank you so you need a date um it looks like I'm looking but you can look too CU because the date in order to get submissions the mod it depends on how soon you can get the modifications in because if we can get the modifications in by the 10th of February exactly seven days that's and that's that's tight if you can't do that then it would have to be getting them in by March 3D it's a week I know I understand but if not I'm just trying to back into a date that we can support if we get them in within a week what date are you looking if you can if you can get it in by the 10th of February we can see you on March 17th he's already here on March 17th wait actually that's changed yeah you're already here for 527 bangs but uh yeah you're correct so 210 if you if you can get it in by 210 we can do 317 if you can't do it by to 10 which is fine reports or do you oh no we want report who we want reports no why don't we do this why don't we put it down and we're going to try to make the uh submission date if for whatever reason we can't we'll just kick it off well here's here's the reason why I disagree with that that's that's only me is that if something else comes up I don't I don't want to hold a spot for you on the possibility that going to know within a week though well do we do we have anything that's coming um um that you know of can we hold that spot beyond the 17th no be for February 10th to have the reports by I mean to have the submissions by the 10th do you see anything coming down the line why do you need them by the 10th if you're going to have it over a month later don't you need them four because we need to have the reports but isn't it normally four weeks I don't know what the dates are five weeks that's five weeks five weeks we get three weeks they get three weeks because you want them a week earlier yeah I want a week earlier so that you can have them a week earlier so that would be four weeks so that would give us until February 17 not 10 I don't want to I don't I don't want there are certain dates that that Marie has on these list it's five weeks from the date for the submission for c for CCH and abakan to get reports in so are we are we doing the we're shooting for the 17th is that what we're doing that's what that's what they're saying I don't I don't want to there's no pressure here there really isn't it's I'm just asking a question to get a date can you get it though I think so CU this is this is a lot otherwise these are a lot of changes April 7th and deadline to submit is the March let's we'll get it with a me okay so what I would like to ask our professionals that if you don't get what you need in time for you to get oh that time hear from us and we will move it because I I don't want any pressure here of people not getting what they need and not having enough time to do what they need the plan is to carry it to the 17th March March 17th you've got 10th of February for submissions that's right and so if carry it to the 17th of March without further notice that's fine yes if in fact can't you can't make the 17th have to re it'll be April 7th dat if you go to another date you avoid the expense in time retic for 17 we we'll get it in by intent but if we didn't get it in which I'm confident we will get it in um the 17th you can just I'll just carry it for another cycle yeah the 17th that's fine but we don't have to three noticed but we'll get it it we want to move this all right then I'm then I'm then then I'm I'm counting on CCH and avakian to let me know if they if it didn't make it it didn't make it and we're just going to carry it to a to April so we'll know by the 10th of February whether or not we're going to hear it or not that's fine okay all right can I get a motion to uh without to move this application without notice to um March 17th 2025 I'll move that second James bonano yes councilwoman Clayton yes Jim Henry yes Jeremy Hoffman yes mayor Moore yes Jen saer yes Daniel shano yes Vice chair goonan yes and chairwoman Barbara Chris yes okay thank you very much all right all right Jack it's all you okay the last item is the letter uh do you have a copy Marie I I do yes okay let's Mark that whatever dat they responded I sent the copy everyone yes uh they've addressed the issues that we had concerning the quantity of spaces that are on site and available so I believe ready to go based on the contents of the letter from January 29th 2025 okay so that so that there are there are 14 spaces there are minimum of 14 spaces on the lot there are 11 units and there are three spaces available and essentially the residential and the M Museum use those spaces so there are 14 spaces available there are 20es available ah 20 spaces available and there are 14 there are six Extra Spaces so for the for the um Museum there are six Extra Spaces that the museum can use anytime anywhere whenever they like what we 14 are required for the residences and the museum yes but they have 20 but they have 20 so so those six those six other spaces can be used for anything else they want but the museum spaces are included in that 14 that's right that's right okay so we don't need to go to the church to go get the other spaces yes on the weekends okay so who satisfied with that I I mean legally I am it Lees the ordinance it Le the intent and there sufficient okay yes all right I'll let Mr M know tomorrow do any does anybody feel differently just speak up okay okay done all right can I get motion to uhour to all in favor another post