Hello. This is the community preservation committee meeting on uh March 4th. We are Marching 4th. Um never mind. I I'll stop that one. I know I do have to read the statement of in
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us or 978-772-8220 extension 100 prior to the meeting during business hours. So I've called the meeting to order. Thank you everybody. We've got Colleen coming in. So we've got a full house. So
thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um I'm looking here at the agenda. Can uh does anybody have any corrections or anything with regards to the agenda comments? All right. >> Nope. >> Hearing crickets. Can I get somebody to
approve the agenda as written? >> So move. >> All right. Barry made the motion. >> Oh, Beth seconded. Thank you. Now I got to do roll call. Um, Jess, >> I.
>> Beth, >> yes. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Kevin, >> yes. >> All right. and Colleen. >> I >> All right, let me Yep. All right, that's great. I know. I'm trying to get
everybody >> from that Barry. >> I didn't get my I didn't get my roll call vote. >> Oh. Oh, that's because I'm trying to move everybody around. Bar and Barry. >> Okay. >> I >> I >> for the record. I
>> And the chair says I. So, we've got it unanimous. That sounds great. Thank you, Barry. All right. Next on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from uh February
4th. Um I reviewed them and our clerk does a great job. I didn't see anything any type of correction. Anybody have anything? >> Nope. >> No. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the
minutes as written? Make a motion to approve the minutes as written. >> Thank you, Colleen. And can I get someone to second? >> Second. >> All right. Barry seconds it. And I'm going to do roll call. Barry. >> Hi, >> Colleen.
>> Hi, >> Jess. >> Hi, >> Kevin. >> Hi, >> Beth. >> Yes. >> And Julie, >> yes. >> Hi. And the chair says I. I think I got
everybody that time. Excellent. Thank you. All right. Okay. Um, Colleen, I know that Shawn is working tonight and I have not heard
back from Alicia whether or not she was going to present, but would you be able to make the presentation again with regards to the affordable housing? >> Can you share the application? I'm
having trouble >> opening things on my computer. Okay. But before I do that, I need to open up the public >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Open up the public hearing. >> Yeah. And I do have the application um waiting so I can open it up. All right.
Um No, I'm going to open up the public hearing for the Air affordable housing trust funding request. Notice is hereby given in accordance with Massachusetts general law chapter 44B the community
preservation the air community preservation committee will hold a public hearing on Wednesday March 4th at 20 at right March 4th 2026 at 7 p.m. The purpose of this meeting will be to review the funding application from the
air affordable housing trust for CPA funds to help support the continued efforts of the housing trust with rental assistance for the town of air residents. All residents member of the general public and any persons interested or wishing to be heard on the
application request may call 97 978-772-8220 extension 100 during business hours prior to the meeting for the Zoom meeting information. Community Preservation Committee Janet Private as chair. This was gone ahead and was in
the Nshoba Valley Voice um for uh two two days, February 20th and February 27th. Um and also too, it was posted on um the town's bulletin board outside um
really prior to February 20th. So, let me go ahead and share Um the application and the Nope, that's not what I wanted.
Oh, there it is. Can you see it? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. And presenting will be Colleen uh who is the representative from CPC on the um air affordable housing trust.
Take it away, Colleen. >> It looks like Alicia talked to you where they sent you the updated >> correct. It is up >> application. So, there is a slight adjustment from what we had
talked about in the last meeting. Um, we are requesting for, you know, another year of funding for the air rental assistance program. For the last two years, we had requested
72,000. Um, as we were serving 12 families. When we first put together the request, we were keeping that amount the same. However, we had a pretty robust group of
applicants for this year's funding. A lot of applicants in the high need with very high scores. Um, and so we decided that maybe we should be upping the number of
families that we can serve up to 14 instead of 12. And I'm noticing, Janet, that there is a typo. It was updated to 14 in the number, but not in the wording. So, >> we'll have to >> I told Yeah, I told Delicia that. So,
>> um, and so that we would ask for 84,000 towards the air rental assistance program and then we would still ask for the additional funds like we did last year um towards
that affordable housing acquisition fund um in the amount of 128,000. then this will allow us to be ready for projects similar to the Devon Crest project where they came to us and we had this housing fund um that we were able to give them
some of the money obviously we didn't have enough they came to CPC for the rest but it was we were able to give them that commitment of funds you know assuming that all the agreements were in place which then was going to be helpful
to them with the securing of funds from the state leveraging funds from other sources. So, um as a result of this, the trust is asking for 212,000 from CPC
um so that we can fund 14 families in the rental assistance program and add 128,000 to that acquisition fund to have on hand. Excellent.
From what I understand, I think you had something like 36 applications that came in for rental assistance and it was very difficult because there were many, like you were saying, many of the families that qualified um and not only
qualified, but they all pretty much got the same score level. >> Yes. So, we had many in that high high need area, whereas in previous years, we've always gotten more
applications than we funded, but typically those that were not successful in getting the funding were in a lower need group. Um but this year we saw a a large increase in you know the need of the applicants and
>> we felt like if we could add two additional spots that would um that would be a real benefit and would get us to a comfortable number where we'd be helping those in that highest need group.
Um and you know we certainly didn't feel like going higher than that. it is a lot of work to oversee the program and do the paperwork. So, um that kind of seemed like it would be a a sweet spot for now in terms of managing but also being able to provide
that assistance to the families that need it. >> Right. Excellent. Yeah. Um I'm all right. Um anybody else from the committee have any questions um with regards to the application or
Colleen, >> sounds sounds like a good idea. I did just want to point out I think that the chart like where has the budget um the total didn't get adjusted. It still like has a sum of 2,000 or I'm sorry 200,000
on the one that I'm looking at at least. I'm not sure if I have the right one but >> Oh yes. >> Yeah, you're right. Yep. >> I see that. >> I will make sure. We met last on Thursday of last week and
you know to look at the applicants and then decide made the decision to amend. So clearly we did not spend as much time proofing it. Um >> no that's why I just wanted >> but to help with clarity if anybody else
takes a look at it. Yes. >> And we can certainly when we make the motion um approve with the amendments of those two things fixed. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Beth. Anybody else?
>> Sounds good to me. >> All right. So the next item then would be can I get a vote to move this application that will be amended with the typo from 12 to
14 and then the updated number on the um chart to reflect the 212,000 um to move that to town meeting on April 27th. So can I get a motion? So moved.
>> All right, Jess. >> I Beth makes a second and bear with me. I need to bring everybody back on screen. Um so I don't forget Barry. Uh Jess,
>> hi >> Barry. Hi >> Beth. >> Yes, >> Colleen. >> Kevin, >> hi >> Julie. Yes. >> Okay. And the chair says I. So, right
now, this is going to be moving forward to um town meeting. And we I will make sure that I get in touch with Alicia to get that updated. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Now, can I get a motion
to close the public hearing on the affordable housing trust? >> Yes. Okay, we've got Barry who made the initial and Beth seconded. I don't think I have to go through a roll call on that, do I? Jess,
>> I think you do. >> All right, Barry. >> Hi, >> Jess. >> Hi, >> Beth. >> Yes. >> Kevin, >> hi. >> Colleen, >> and then Julie, >> yes.
>> All right. And chair says I. So now the public hearing for the air affordable housing trust funding request is closed. Next on the agenda is bear with me. Let me get the other
little folder and this will be the public hearing for the Sandy Pond School Association funding for the SC Sandy Pond School House. I'm going to read the
um notice that was placed in the Nava Valley Voice on February 20th and 27th as well as the bulletin board outside of town hall. Notice hereby given in accordance with Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 44B,
the Air Community Preservation Committee will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, March 4th, 2026 at 7 p.m. The purpose of this meeting will be to review the funding application from the Sandy Pond School Association requesting funds to
support the installation of an HVAC system at the property located at the corner of Sandy Pond Road, Willow Street, and Westford Road. All residents, members of the general public, any persons interested or wishing to be heard on the application
request may call 978-7728220 extension 100 during business hours prior to the meeting for Zoom meeting information. Community Preservation Committee Janet Prades chair.
Okay. Um who we we have um Irv Rockwood who is um our representative from Sandy Pond School Association with us and I do have the updated um
let's see do have the updated oh that's not the right one um application here to life make it um easier for you. Let me just share it.
>> Sure. >> Um hopefully I can I always do this. Come on. All right. Share. Here we go. Can you guys see it?
>> Yes. We're looking now, I think. What page are we looking at? >> Um hold on. I'm going to move back up. I was >> Yeah, >> the housing trust application. >> Yeah, that's that's the wrong one.
It's going to be the doc. >> There we go. Is that better? >> I think so. >> Okay. >> It's clearly our application. So, >> yay. Um right um this uh application uh this
is a slightly revised version of the one that was considered at the uh at the February meeting. Um the two main uh changes are that um we modified the uh the amount of money that we were
requesting. Uh we're requesting now instead of half of the $25,000 cost we anticipate, we are uh requesting the entire amount in case the other application that we have submitted, which is to the Mass Cultural Council,
in case that one does not come through. If that does come through, then we basically would wind up using that grant plus half of the 25,000 to cover this project. Um but by going this way we ensure that if we the other one for some
reason does not come through uh we'll be able to proceed uh in a more timely fashion. Um the basic the other change that has I guess that's not technically part of the proposal per se but we do have the first of what we anticipate
will be three actual quotes uh for the project and the first is from JA Healey and Sons of Westford and their quote is for $22,647.91 that does not include uh the electricians work which we're estimating
at about 2500. So, um, the bottom line here is that our estimate of 25 for the project is about is about right. Yes. >> What was the contract amount again? >> The contract Oh, the quote from from Westwood. Yes. It's $22,
>> 647.91. Um, they were very exact, but it does not include the electrician's work, but includes the entire system. So, um that we should we think at this point we're in the ballpark on the
$25,000 estimate for the project. Um we are looking uh anticipating getting two additional quotes. Um right now is not a great time to ask people for quotes at this moment because they have to trudge through the snow to get into the schoolhouse. Um but in a couple weeks
hopefully we'll be able to do that and we'll go to work on that. We should have that information in place um before town meeting for sure. >> Um the basic goal of the project um as discussed in February is pretty simple. The the the big goal uh we're proposing
here to do is to put in uh an HVAC system, a modern U minisplit HVAC system into schoolhouse. But the main goal here is to enable us to use the schoolhouse for the first time year round. Um right now we're restricted to opening it.
basically from sometime late April to early October. Um we simply can't use it during the colder months. Um and that's inconvenient for a variety of reasons. It's inconvenient for the new school uh the elementary school student program
that we started this last year because it means we have to schedule the student visits the fourth grader or third grader visits to the schoolhouse either um at the very beginning of the school year or towards the very end of the school year both of which are relatively
more challenging because the calendars are fuller at that time. Uh so this would give us the flexibility to do it most any time during the school year. Um, of course, the building was when it was used as a school, it was heated, uh, but it was heated with a very large wood
stove, which is still there. Um, uh, it just that does not seem to be the appropriate heating mode for the building in this era. Um, that is the original stove. Um, it could be made to work. Um, it would cost a few thousand
to rehab it and connect it to the chimney. Um, but myself, I think that's sort of a I I burned firewood for 30 years. I'm very familiar with how fire with how wood stoves work, but I'm concerned about using a wood stove in a building of this vintage and
particularly when the people when I you never know who would actually be on charge at that time. So, I it seems to me that that's probably not a safe move for the schoolhouse. Um, >> and also too, didn't didn't the feasibility study recommend having a um
Oh, what are they the the heat system, the heat pump? >> Yes, the conditions assessment, the original conditions assessment going back to 2017. Um, that's what they recommended. Um, and that was an expense that we were not able to afford during
the main part of the restoration project because we ran into uh two problems. One was we lost a grant that we we thought that we actually had qualified for from the Massachusetts Historical Commission um over a title issue that we have since
resolved. Uh but that was lost. And the other thing that happened CO escalated the prices uh on some of the work that we uh were other pieces of work that we were planning on doing. The the most noticeable increase was on the roofing
work. Um the roof was considered really critical. Um and we got that work done, but uh the original estimate for that had been $45,000 and the the postco actual expense was $67,000. Um those kind of things happened at that
time and uh so we had to cut some corners and this was the most noticeable one that we cut. We did not put the heating system in at that time. So >> we'd like to be able to do it now. We think we can make a lot more use of the school building if we do that. Um and uh
and it'll be become sort of more likely that people will think about using it right now because it's only available at certain times of the year uh during the warmer weather. Uh it sort of isn't on people's radar screen in terms of a place where you could have events. Uh in the past this building has been a very
lively venue for a lot of community activities. Um, and basically what we'd like to do is to sort of get ourselves back in uh uh back in that era where the building is being used uh fairly frequently. Uh and and once it's able to
be used year round, we think that will that will help. So >> that's all for the project. >> Yeah. And I know that you received um several letters of recommendation. I believe George Bacon is with us tonight
from uh historic um committee as well as the letters from the select board and uh the school um Helen Barry um you know u went ahead and and wrote on how um
important it would be to get this up and running year round so that the students can go ahead and partake in it. So I think that that was good. Um yeah, I again um or this this is a great
project, you know, to to be able to have this asset in town um this historical asset to to have kids realize what life was like. So, thank you, you know, for for doing so much with the association
on this. Um, is there anything else you you know you want to mention or can we move forward and see if the the group has any questions? >> Yeah, if the group has questions, I'd be happy to try and answer them. Certainly.
And does George want to say anything? >> Yeah, I was just going to ask George. >> Yeah. >> Um, I had a couple questions. Um, could you just briefly describe uh what
visible changes there will be on the exterior of the building? >> Yeah. Um, if we put this at at this point, we're anticipating that we'll be installing two uh mini split units. Um
and the interior um what will be visible in the interior of the building will be one in the addition or the L as we call it. That will be a smaller unit and then there will be one in the classroom. These are wall-mounted um and they will be mounted fairly high.
So they will be visible. They're uh I don't know the color of the exact units of the units that we're currently being quoted on. I have them in my house. I have three of them in my house and and they are basically beige u rectangular
sort of streamlined objects that go up on the wall. Um and they they're a very efficient method of heating and they do not require any duct work which we don't have in the building and which will be very difficult to put in the building. the uh on the outside of the building
there will be the uh the base units and those will be that will be um that unit will be at well depends we'll see but the current proposal would put that that unit on the side of the uh the outside of the building facing Westford Road
that's the the U washroom side of the building which has only the washroom window um it will not be these are not huge units the uh the outside unit is probably I don't know
uh 30 36 in high and maybe the slightly slightly wider and and it will be on a platform to keep it above the snow and the interior units are um I don't know I I could take a rough actually I actually have
um find my tape give you the an idea on the size So the interior here, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The uh unit in my in my third
bedroom here is about 34 in wide. That's probably about the size of the one that would be in the addition, although that one might actually be a little smaller. And then it's about 18 in tall. So uh those would be those would be wall
mounted. That would be the only thing that would be visible uh inside the building. >> Okay. My other question is um the previous grants required a preservation restriction on the building.
>> Yes, >> that is true. And that is a story. >> I know. Should we complete the preservation restriction before this work is done and then make any modifications to it based
on exterior changes which don't seem to be that major or uh should you wait till afterwards and then uh execute the PR? >> Well, I think it would be neater to do
it afterwards. Um the big problem that we're having, as you may know, is getting it done at all. Um and it, um we have tried very hard on our end of it. We uh spent a good chunk of money having
a lawyer draft a a draft restriction. It has never been uh formally reviewed by the town, even though they've had it for some time. Um and uh and I am not 100% sure um what the obstacle is, but I think
it's partly a matter of time and possibly it's a matter of town council time. I'm not really sure. Um, we actually have been holding off on bringing this proposal before CPC because of the difficulties with the preservation restriction. And I guess
one of our thoughts in the end was maybe this will jumpst start the preservation restriction. Um, uh, we're prepared to enter into that agreement. We just need to get the town to to act on it, to move on it. Um, and
if anybody had >> Yeah, I was going to say is um George, have you been able to meet up with Robert at all and see what is maybe holding up town council? >> No, I haven't. I've been uh out of
service for a while. Just getting back on my feet. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Barry, you were going to say something? Well, I was going to ask uh before George brought it up about the preservation restriction, but also have
you tal I mean I asked this the last time, but have you talked to Dan uh from uh DPW regarding plowing and upkeep? And I mean, when you think of a winter like we've had now, um it's tough for guys like you and I at our rate to go out
shoveling and and everything else. >> Yeah. Um yeah, I haven't talked to Dan about that yet. Um but I I I I will do that and if need be um you know we will find a way to fund it if we have to if we have to do that. I think we can you
know think we can take care of that but that's another thing that needs to be done longer term. The other remaining uh project here that is somewhat longer term is the idea of uh improving the parking uh area for the building and we have some ideas and thoughts about that
that will probably involve some negotiations with the town but which um based on my earlier discussions with uh uh with both Dan and the town manager have sounded like the there was a good possibility of making that happen. But
>> um but I think we I think if we're going to have the building open, we will need to be able to have snow removal. Yes. Um and >> but also I mean when you say the building open, if I think of like this past December, January, February, where
sometimes we had temperatures in the single numbers. I mean, I'm I I don't have one of those units, but I think they'd be >> they'd be struggling to keep up so that you could run a program. >> Well, actually, not the not the current
uh the current ones. I have I have them and mine actually will function quite satisfactory below zero temperatures. >> Um and mine are old. Mine were mine are 2013 models. Um and and I do use them all the time. I have one weird uh issue
in in my house, which is I have a vulnerable hot water pipe up in the attic. Um that um because of the the difference between the the way the hot water system uh routes heat and the way the heat pumps route heat, I use have to
surround my hot water system to make sure I don't get a a pipe uh a frozen pipe problem in really cold weather. But today these these these heat pumps are very efficient and they're they're very comfortable at below zero. Um and u and
the equipment we'd be putting in is 10 years 13 years uh you know newer than what I have in my house. So >> So now would this go in the classroom or is it going to be into that little ante room? Where is it going to be placed? Uh
they'll they'll be in the there'll be one unit in the classroom on the wall in probably in the back wall in the classroom and one smaller unit in the addition. Yeah. And they'll both be elevated. They're going to be up towards the ceiling. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> All right. Beth, you got your hand up. >> Yeah. I um regarding George's question too about the exterior changes, has has
MHC reviewed it like cuz it's a National Register listed property. So, is this the type of thing that they review as well? And I know normally you try to put any changes to
the exterior on the rear and away from the road side. And I understand like well for one like putting it on the Westford roadside at least doesn't impact the original brick structure as
much, but still it's just right at the road, you know, right close to the corner even. um will be in you know considerably visible. Um so I don't know how much you've considered um you know the location there there
will also be exterior conduit probably coming down from the locations the mini splits are >> mounted >> not not really. Um, no, you you you have a a wall penetration, but it's just a a hole um where the where the pipes go
from the the base unit, you know, inside. Um, but the the what I the proposal we have from Healey, they were proposing to put the base unit outside on the westward side. Um, I had anticipated from the beginning we
probably would wind up putting it on the back and I believe that's still feasible, but I think we want to uh we really need to talk to the people who, you know, build and design these systems and get and get comparative uh uh proposals and and take it from there. As
for MHC, I don't know whether this is something they would normally review. again um it was proposed in the original conditions assessment that we would put install such a unit and the people uh proposing that were you know Spencer
Sullivan invoked who are that that's their thing is historic preservation so uh we've always felt >> did they have a location on the planet that time >> no they did not okay >> no >> all right
>> I think yeah I'm trying to remember they just had the recommendation you so that you could use the building year round and that would be the most efficient way to do it and less obtrusive than trying to put in any type of duck work or anything.
>> Duct work would be very difficult and basically prohibitively expensive. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, will there be a separate like application that goes to the historical commission for this proposal as well?
Then the local um >> who he is historical commission. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Well, I know we got a letter of recommendation from George, >> but it would be a permit permit that
would be issued. >> I don't know, George. >> Uh unless there's a preservation restriction in place, uh we really have no control over it. you could knock a hole in the wall and we we couldn't say
anything. >> So even with the federal registry, >> no uh national register is just a uh recognition. It's not not a restriction. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, we we really have tried very hard to get the preservation restriction done. >> Yeah. Um >> I I I will um agree with that. >> Did Did we ever get a draft copy of that or >> I submitted a draft copy to the town um
two years ago, three years ago? I have to go back >> about two years ago. >> I'm talking about the historical commission. I don't think I've ever seen one. uh >> it went I was at the time working with the town manager um on the preservation
restriction for the for the grants that had already been approved um for the restoration the two restoration grants and for that work >> um and so that's where that ended up it it's still there someone somebody's there somewhere
>> and I've been in touch with Janet about this as well Yeah. And and I've and I've mentioned it to Robert multiple times. So, um so with that, but I'm trying to remember the emails that you had sent with the um
um the restriction that uh got developed. I really I really thought the historic commission was CCD on it, Barry. Um >> yeah, >> I can look back at, you know, the
emails. Yeah, cuz I I don't I don't personally remember. >> Yeah, I would have. >> How about you, George? Have you ever seen a draft copy of that? >> No, I haven't. >> I would suggest that we get it to the
commissioners at least for review and then that they can also maybe inquire on status. >> Yeah. >> Passenger as an interim step. to >> to the historical commission or to CPC Beth.
>> Historical commission. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. And um I'm going to be stopping by the town hall tomorrow morning a little after 8. So
I I will do my best to >> Yeah. um to to >> I I would say Robert is Yeah. Yeah. Robert has generally been very supportive of the schools and he has told me personally probably three or four or five times that you know he was
going to work on this. >> He just >> he just hasn't been able to do it. Yeah. >> All right. All right. So, can you send the what you sent to Robert myself? Um, again, um, I can I can look at the
emails, but um, if you can send it to >> it'd be, uh, George, Barry, and Ruth. Um, is Maggie on the historic as well? >> Yes.
>> Yes. And who am I missing? >> That's who it is. Okay. Yeah. And then I guess V if I'm just wondering if the if you and the um association would consider sort of a consultation
with the historic commission in the event the restriction isn't in place and you're advancing the project, but just that they would be able to um you know inform the location um you know in consideration um of you know the best
maintenance of the integrity of the >> structure and um context, you know, you know, just like if it's not actually a required permit, but that that consultation would still be meaningful and valuable in good faith. Um,
you know, if every if the commission, you know, historic commission members, you know, would find something like that to be helpful as well. >> Yeah, absolutely. Be happy to do that. just um ran out of ideas,
but >> but we we we would really want this done. Um because as uh as George mentions, the National Register uh recognition, it's it's a recognition. It doesn't include any restrictions.
Um and our our view is that this is a historic property that needs to be kept to be a historic property. and the restriction would make would help to make that highly likely would would would help to
ensure that that would occur. Um so we entirely in favor of it. We have always been in favor of it and uh we have endeavored to make it happen and have not thus far succeeded. So >> just as a point of clarification for
anyone that when something is federally registered any federal action funding or permit would require significant review. But because the funds that we're talking about here are not coming from that
federal source. It doesn't have the same teeth. I guess I'm I'm used to to, you know, usually using it with federal funding from like the mass DOT perspective and things like that, but I guess, you know, in a situation like this, the local jurisdiction um doesn't
come into play until the historic preservation restriction is put in place. had the had we been able to use the u the uh the preservation project fund the Massachusetts preservation
project fund grant that we initially had approved the $50,000 grant that would have accompanied the uh $200,000 grant from in October of 2020 from CPC had we been able to use that grant um this problem would have been solved uh
by by mass by state action because that grant would then that the MPPPF grant would have required that we use the standard MPPPF state preservation restriction and that would have placed would have put the uh the Massachusetts
Historical Commission as the holder of the of the restriction and not only that they have the they have those grants that language exists it's just a matter of uh filling in the blanks and using their agreement and we would have done that and we couldn't because we had ran
into this title restriction uh problem um that we took that it took us a year to solve, >> right? >> Uh and uh we did get that solved and that cost us $10,000 that we didn't have. Um and that and with that got
taken care of, but we had decided in the meantime, not knowing how long it was going to take for that to to resolve, to just go ahead and get the work done with the money that we had. Um and the the two grants would have worked well
together. The the Massachusetts state grant is much more restricted in terms of the work it will cover. Um and the problem reason we can't go back to them now for this is they don't cover this kind of work. They wouldn't do this. So,
in combination with the two, we originally would have been able to to use the full amount of both of the grants and we would have gotten this work done and a couple of other things done that we that we weren't able to do. Uh, it all would have worked out, but once
once we moved ahead without the the preservation project grant, we we really kind of lost the ability to go back and do it again. So, that's >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, any other questions or
concerns from the team? Um, public. All right. Let me let me just um put this out saying um you're going to send the information the
the draft to the commission, the historic commission and um would you be able to um will you be able to meet the commission
sometime before? Um I mean again even if we have even if this moves forward to town meeting um if something does go wrong we can always withdraw if it does go to town meeting. Um so we can you know again um depending upon how the
vote goes tonight um we can have it but we can also get it withdrawn. Would that be okay for you, Irv, and okay for uh George Barry for the commission?
>> It's okay with me. Yeah. >> Yeah. Fine with me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Me three. >> Okay. All right then. So, um moving then I'm going to just going to move forward and say, um I'd like to get a motion
from the committee. If we can move this forward to town meeting um on the basis that there is a review of the preservation restriction as well as a review of the work that's
going to be done by Sandy Pond School Association to the schoolhouse and uh have the commission review it. Does that sound about right for a motion? You don't have to move. >> I wonder if it would I wonder if it
wouldn't be a good idea to say that we'd try to get the review of the reservation restriction done before town meeting because that would put a timeline on it and maybe might force action. >> We can try our best, but again, >> yeah, >> Janet, this is Julie. I wouldn't want to do that because as much as I I know we
all want that to move forward, I would like this building to be heated and us to preserve all the historic work we've already done and you've done or I I don't I don't want to possibly not be voting on this at town meeting. >> Okay. All right. Okay.
>> Am I I'm asking that to my board peers. Am I wrong? I I would I would agree with Julie that I don't see the need to put that kind of condition into this motion. I mean, I think that in good faith, we
know that um Irvin will consult with the historical commission, but I think there's uh no point to consulting them until you have all three bids in and see what work is actually proposed as well. So, like Julie, I' I'd hate to see a I think we
could just vote on the basic move it to town meeting and and go from there. >> Okay. Okay. >> I agree with Jess and Julie. >> Yeah. And just to clarify like um Jess's point there about you like the the most
meaningful consultation with the historic commission I think will happen when you've got an understanding of where your um contractors are proposing to locate things and then you know that that should be a real part of the conversation is you know don't enter
into any agreements with your contractors until you know the the locations have really been thoroughly discussed and understood by the historic commission. >> And then this way here, the CPA funds would be available um as you review and
make sure that it's the one that is the least obtrusive >> um of you know. Um >> okay, >> I think that that sounds about right. >> Now, will you go ahead? Will you also
get a quote from the uh uh from an electrician to go with this? >> Yes, I will. Right. Um in my experience, some of the quotes come with that and some don't. This one didn't, but I'm but yes, we will. Yeah.
>> Okay. Um All right. So, can I get a motion to move this request to town meeting? >> So, move >> second. >> Okay, Jess made the initial and Colleen
made the second. Hold on. Let me just go through there. That's a better view. All right. Um, roll call. Barry. >> Hi, >> Jess. >> Hi, >> Beth. >> Yes, >> Colleen.
Kevin. >> Hi, >> Julie. >> Yes. >> All right. And the chair says I. So, we're going to move this to town meeting. Um and again, April 27th um at 7 o'clock at the high school. So,
that will be good. And I know that you'll be in touch with um with George and the team. >> Great. Thank you. Okay. And Irv, if I hear anything um from Robert tomorrow, I will let the team know as well.
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. I'm going to go ahead now and um get a motion to close the hearing on the Sandy Pond School HVAC project. >> So moved.
>> All right. Beth made the motion. Colleen seconds. Colleen seconded. All right. Barry, >> hi >> Jess. >> Hi >> Beth. >> Yes. >> Colleen, >> Kevin, >> hi.
>> Julie, >> yes. >> And the chair says I. All right. So, this public hearing is now closed. All right. Irv, thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. We're looking we're looking forward to this for sure. >> Okay. All right. Take care. Bye. Bye.
>> All right. You too. Thank you. All right. Um, we have next on the agenda, and it looks as if I see Mark keep keeps moving. I've got two marks. >> No, just one.
>> Okay. All right. >> I have to have the screen up in the phone because my microphone doesn't work on my computer tonight. >> I tell you, it's this technology. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> All right. So, um, we've got, um, Mark
Gallagher, who You're from Seal Harbor, correct? >> I am. >> All right. Who's going to make a presentation with regards to, uh, the old firehouse on, uh, 14 Washington Street. Um, a project that many of us are well aware of. Uh, but we've got a
new view to it. And so, Mark, I'll let you take it from here. And, uh, >> can you provide me to share screen? >> Um, oo. Gee, whiz, you're asking me to do that. Hold on. >> Well, if you can just provide me with
the ability to share. If you can't, then I >> That's what I'm saying. Um, I should be able to Hold on. >> You can do this, Janet. I know you can. >> And Mark, you might be able to hit share at the bottom and request and then that might pop up for her to easily improve.
>> You are the best. >> That's That's the way to do it. >> So, we're good. I think you're good. >> Let's see if I can >> Thank you, Beth. >> Thank you, Beth, >> and Julie and team. We're all in it together.
>> All right. Can everybody see the screen now? >> Yes, >> I can. Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> So, as um you all know, we uh purchased uh the firehouse several years ago uh from
Calvin Moore before he passed. Um it's on 18 Washington Street and we originally permitted it oh probably two and a half years ago. Um we had proposed
doing multiple units inside at the time but um we got an interpretation from uh the previous building inspector which restricted our use. And although Calvin's plans um showed uh six
affordable units in the building, the building inspector made a determination that any uh anything more than one residential unit on the first floor was not in concert with the current bylaw or the ordinance. And uh the planning board
took the initiative to go back after we got our approval for four units, excuse me, and they um changed the ordinance and the new change allowed us to go back to repermit and be able to have
residential units on the first and second floor. Um this past about a year ago, we took the lefthand side of the building off. that was part of uh the original agreement with Calvin. I guess that was put on um it was sometime in
the 70s I was told and it was not in concert in terms of the architectural quality of it uh of the original building. Um so we uh demolished that and we've now gone through the planning board a second time for a major
amendment. The planning board voted to approve our major amendment. We're currently in the appeal period uh which expires on the 24th of March. What we would like to do is to get started uh sometime late spring, early summer so
that we have the building enclosed uh before the weather gets nasty again next fall. So to to take you through this is the essentially the exterior of the building where the um wing was on the left hand side of the building that has
now been raised as I pointed out and there is a new building that has been approved to be placed adjacent to it and amended into this existing or original building. Um that was the fire station. Um, the doors in the front of the fire
station will be replaced and replaced with uh architecturally significant doors similar to what was originally in the building, but giving us a little bit better R value because there are, excuse me, uh, residential units directly
behind it. Um, we will repair the exterior of the building. And then on the right hand side here, um, we're actually adding a second floor out over the existing. So the right hand side of the building is an existing Butler
building. I don't know if you're at all familiar with Butler, but Butler um pioneered steel buildings uh back in the 50s and early 60s. It's essentially um uh steel plland and steel uh beams that
go up with a corrugated side and roof structure. Um it's flat on this building. And what we're proposing to do or what we're approved to do now is to remove that um steel structure and
replace it with a more modern and uh structure that is u very architecturally similar to what the existing building is. Um you can see that it has a small coupler on it that kind of mimics the coupler that's on the existing building
as it sets today. Um, would you like to see the floor plans inside as well? >> Yeah, I'll be curious. >> Okay, >> go ahead. I mean, >> okay. >> Go ahead, Julie. >> Julie, >> no. I So, I don't think I'm the right
one to weigh in, but is is this what we need for this meeting, Janet? Because >> I mean, >> Mark, I'm happy to see it again, but >> I know you're sorry. >> What do you need? What do you need as a board, Janet? >> Well, I I don't know. I mean, it's more of um you've got now what? Six units
that you're going to be putting in there. >> We're going to have eight. There is Yeah. seven market rate and one affordable. We've already met with the affordable uh commission uh committee this uh about a week ago and um they're
very happy to get uh the first floor unit. It'll be an ADA compliant unit on the right hand side of the building. >> Okay. And I think at the um affordable housing committee, you know, we did ask, you know, you all to entertain the
possibility of, you know, maybe making one more affordable because we are in the Cambridge market. And that um means the affordability is still a um
a good amount of you know um uh lower rent but yet still high higher than um other places within air. But um all right. So I I think you know for the rest of the committee um I I think it
was more of just knowing on how it was going to get laid out and um I would imagine that historic the this is all on the planning board site. Correct? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. We have a rendering of the
building on the planning board site as well as the uh the plans. >> Okay. All right. And I think the only thing um I know you and I have spoken about is there is a grant agreement for
the two step gables that are um separate on the right on the firehouse part of it. The brick um >> pardon >> the parapit walls >> and the what? >> Parapit walls. The walls that go up
above the roof. >> Yeah. I called them >> as well. No. >> Well, no. They didn't have enough money and with the 30,000 to do anything really with the Koopa um >> expended that money several years ago, I
think if I'm correct, Janet, from what you >> provided us and repaired the paraper wells. Let me um let me um since not everybody knows this, but the building was vandalized
this past summer. Um, a crew began, we believe, there sometime in August. Um, came to the building as as contractors. Everybody thought that they were there for uh for us and didn't interfere and
they stripped the building of all of its copper. So, the copper downspouts, the copper gutters. Um, my understanding from talking to folks in the adjacent building is two men were up on that roof on the Koopa for the better part of 6
days taking the copper off the top of it. The police uh we we found out about this uh last I think about a month, six weeks ago and um they actually went as far as in July they disconnected all the
power to the building and took the service off the side of the building to begin with so that they would not get electrocuted when they removed all the copper from inside the building. So we we have a um the police are are
investigating it. We've not heard a lot back from them. Um we're very disappointed that somebody would uh would masquerade as contractors and uh do this kind of damage to the building. Um but it's something that we're
addressing uh through the police department at this point. >> That's sad to hear. >> Very sad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But, you know, I mean, to answer Beth's question, it was like 29,000 plus for um again, I don't know the other
name for them. I just know Miss Step Gables. Um what's the other name that you use? >> They're parapit parapit walls. >> So, did the parapit walls have copper on them? >> The parapit walls on the upper section
um had copper at their base that wrapped under the slate roof. and that was removed. >> All of the copper in the building was removed inside and outside. >> So now there's an implication for the historic preservation as well.
>> Um I I don't believe that the copper on the parapit walls was there um from the beginning of time or some point after that. Um the they were lead
they were lead uh flashing that was going up under the slate roof and my understanding of the agreement that's in place is that the roof can be replaced with a slate like product. Um, we actually went to the builder show in
Orlando uh 2 or 3 weeks ago and specifically searched for uh a type of material that we could use um when we work on the building because that roof is in a lot of disrepair um to be able to um have it mimic the slate roof that
was there uh before it was damaged and before time has worn a lot of it out. and we've been able to find a product that we believe will meet the requirements. Um, when we go there, we're probably going to have to do structural work to that to that roof
under the Koopa and all the way across because it's it's been in disrepair for a very long time, long before we purchased the building. What I can end up doing is I'll go to the accountant's office and see if they
can pull the invoices that Calvin sent in >> with the repair work and see on how um detailed it was to see what um actually was replaced and if that you know if if
if there was copper um I can you know go ahead and at least find that out. >> Okay. >> So, that's on on on my to-do. But I think, you know, again, seeing
this um building, you know, put have life put back into it um is a great idea. Um the the other funding that was requested by Calvin was um 190,000 where
part of it was for he had multiple um affordable um units out of the six that he was going to be putting in. And um we also too had a historic component of it so that it would continue with um some
of the historic um on the outside. So um that money got put back into the categories. It never it was never given, never expended, but it did get approved by town meeting. So we had to
go back to town meeting and put it back in. So, um just to give an idea, you can do, you know, the um the second, you know, if you do a second affordable unit, um if you go ahead and do some work on the historic, um there are CPA
funds that would be available for you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And um are these all rental units? >> They are. >> Okay. And it um like Janet and Colleen, what would how many units would need to be affordable for all of them to count
towards the SHI? >> They all count towards your SHI. >> They will all count. Okay. >> 100% of them whether they're affordable or not. >> Correct. As long as it Well, as long as there's one. >> Um Mark, I think one has got to be
affordable and then you can count all of them. Just like at Devon's Crest, we're going to be able to count all 114. Um and um I know that planning board's got a couple other um possibilities
um coming downtown where there's going to be one or two affordable units and that will give us more affordable on. So >> what's the S in SHI stand for? >> Subsidized. >> Subsidized. subsidized housing
inventory. >> Great. >> Yeah. And >> that's what we want to get to 10%, right? And we're not quite there. >> Or higher. We want it as high as we can go cuz it, you know, 10% only gets us, you know, the,
you know, the state. But in terms of having affordable housing in town, we want affordable housing. So, >> um, and and you know, just along those lines, I'm I'm very excited to see, you know, the the proposal and and like
Janet said, you know, the building to become a viable um use and, you know, to really just showcase, you know, its exceptional architectural qualities and that restoration, everything will be great. Um but in terms of you know true
affordability you know we've been able with Devon's Crest just to work on you know like bringing um you know the the income levels lower to make them accessible for you know more residents as well. So, you know, we are here to work with you if there are
interests in in that, you know, um you know, we can have, you know, additional conversations. You can talk to the trust more. Um you know, cuz it's really, you know, about, you know, just being able to enable families to be able to have a high quality of life here in air. Um,
and thank you for, you know, your work in, you know, making at least one of the units, um, you know, affordable, but there's always more that that we can do and we're here to help. >> No, I understand. We, if you've seen our website, um, we do affordable housing
units all the time and help towns with their SHI count. So, um, I think the new, being candid, I think the new group that, um, is in town hall is much more much easier to work with than the prior
administration. Um, from a building standpoint and from an approval standpoint, I think Mike and um, the rest of the team in there have been very very helpful in us getting our new permitting. Um, and it's a breath of fresh air. And you know, we we initially
were going to do another couple of buildings downtown that we were going to add quite a bit more rental units because we think it's a great opportunity, but you know, the prior group was not um not as easy to work with as this group
seems to be. So, we will be revisiting other opportunities in town to try to, you know, do rental units. It's it's something we really like. >> That that that sounds good. And one good thing is we do have the the housing trust which also too can help you know
um offset some of the costs so that instead of being you say bring it down like we did Devon's crest from 80% to 60% of AMI and this way here um I think my what I go ahead and emphasize is that
we've got so many families that the kids have got to move out of town. they can't stay here in town because they can't afford the town. Um, and a lot of people really can't even afford the town themselves. But I know that I hear from families that say, you know, the kids
got to go all the way to Gardener, you know, to be able to um to live close by and they would rather have them here in town. Um, so so yeah, we really we're here to help, Mark. For sure. >> No, no, I I understand. And I think the
new ADU law, >> correct? >> If if everybody gets behind that, um, has a lot of opportunity to help those that are, you know, in need that the kids
when they move out or they get married, uh, you know, as a as an alternative, uh, to apartments is by having, you know, the ADUs, which are like, you know, second homes. We're doing, it's our plan to do one up on um Pearl
Street. We have a lot up there that we're currently getting permitted and that's going to have a home with an ADU on it. And I think the more people see that kind of opportunity, I I I think it's it's a lot better for affordable housing as well.
>> Yep. I agree. And I believe um our building commissioner, Mike, um has got several applications that they're reviewing. So, so one of them must be yours. So, >> ours isn't there yet, but it will be. They asked me about it the other day and it will be very, you know, it's we have
to get through site plan approval for that lot and then once we get through site plan approval, we will um we'll have a a home with an ADU attached to it. >> Okay. All right. Well, this was good information. Does anybody else on the
committee have any questions? >> No. >> Just wanted Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Barry. >> No, I'm just happy to see that that finally you're going to be able to do something with this building. Um because it is is a historic building rather than
the possibility at one time it was going to be raised, you know, and that that would have been >> that would have been a shame. >> Hurtful. Yeah. >> Yep. So, but again, you know, listening to what happened to you is is just it it's it's well, obviously criminal, but
I can't believe that that someone would do that. I just >> Well, >> that's so so bl so brazen during the because I mean this probably happened during the day as well, didn't it? Did they do that? guys. My guys go there every morning because we store a couple
of trucks there. >> And in late July, one of my guys called me and said, "Hey, we're having a problem with the uh doors." You know, that the two doors on the front of the building are um automatic doors. So, you hit the button, they go up and down. >> Yeah.
>> And um I said, "We'll call GPR, you know, because the last time they they rent a small space from us in there and put a car a truck in there as well." And I said, you know, Bruce, he's he's really good at fixing the, you know, the old the garage door openers are from
like the early 60s and he's just an ace at fixing them. So I said, call Bruce and have him fix them. Never thinking the problem was we didn't have power. And >> you know, time went on. So they knew what our rhythm was. They came after my guys go there in the morning. They were
gone by the time my guys came back at night. And they even were so brazen that they swept up after themselves. They were sweeping the parking lot every day because they were pulling everything off the roof. >> Yeah. >> And nobody nobody thought to even ask.
Not a word. Not not even a phone call to me. >> So >> it it it really is a shame. It's just too bad. >> But you know, at the end of the day, it's going to get repaired. it's going to be put back together and um the
damage inside we would have pulled all the wires out anyways because you know it's a full gut is not not like we could you know save what's inside but it's just a shame. >> Yeah and certainly this group if we can help you. Um >> no I appreciate that you know >> and you're welcome once we get started
you can stop by anytime where you know my son and I are more than open to to visiting with you guys. Is there anybody else that I need to visit with Janet or uh if anybody else knows? We we've seen the affordability committee. We've uh
visited with you guys. Um I don't want to leave anybody out of of what we're doing. >> Yeah. I I think um I'm I'm just going to go ahead and I would give an update to the affordable housing trust because that may be another place that you might
be able to get some um funding. So I I would I would you know ask Sean Copelan is the chair. I know Alicia has one more week of employment. She's retiring as of
I believe it's the 13th of March. So, um, you could send her an email as well as, uh, Sean Copelan. >> Okay. Where would I get Sean? Where would I get Sean's email address? >> I tell you what, I'll send it to you. >> Super.
>> We have our next I'm on the Affordable Housing Trust. We have a meeting next week um before Alicia goes. I don't know if that would be too soon, but we typically meet monthly. Can >> be there. whatever you'd like.
>> Yeah. I mean, Colleen, do you want to ask the trust? Do you want to ask Sean? >> I can certainly send a note to Sean as well to >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If I can get Sean's email address, I'll send him a note. I'm happy to,
>> you know, >> and we are we are considering I mean Mark was Mark is the one that went to the um meeting this past week or so with um the affordable committee and um we know that they would like to have a
second unit. So, we're going to have some earnest conversations with them about that. >> Excellent. Thank you. I do appreciate that. >> No issues. >> All right. Okay. Anything else from the committee? George, are you still with us? >> Yeah, I'm here.
>> All right. Do you have any feedback? >> Um, just if any of the money is going to come from the historic fund, then you should meet with the historic commission. >> Okay. >> And uh
is Seal Harbor going to end up being the landlord? >> Uh yeah. Well, yeah, I believe so. If it's not Seal Harbor, it'll be one of our entities. Okay. >> All right. That's that's good, George. Thank you. >> I was just going to ask Mark, um, you
know, again, I'm also really, you know, devastated to hear about the experience that you've had and, um, you know, just a real shame, but I I was wondering if you do have a goal related to um, like a historic restoration
um, you know, like condition. uh just if you could share a little bit about that if you're you know trying to >> Yeah, my my understanding from reading and again this was all before we purchased the building but I I think
that um Calvin had made come to an agreement um with uh I I thought the historic commission but I may be wrong. Um, in terms of uh certain preservation uh goals, I know that there can't be any
shrubs or bushes or trees in the front of the building which we're honoring. Um, there are existing uh vinyl windows which are in the building and there was no discussion about them not being able to be vinyl. I
think we're going to try to lean towards uh a window that's more historical in nature, but still gives us um the resonant that we need um in terms of the insulation value uh SHG and and all of
the things to to make the building, you know, Energy Star worthy as much as we can. Um, and obviously the the um the trim on the building is something that we're looking to on the front of
the building. We're looking to try and um replicate. Um, you know, there's a lot of rot on the building, so we are going to try to replicate as much as we can. The brick is in good shape, so I I think, you know, that's the the major element of the building. And then to get
uh the garage doors um to um to replicate again what was there at one time as close as we can to to what is historically been on the on the building. Um the other sides of the
building I I don't think are as concerning because there are really no architectural um details on the right side of the building because it's a butler building other than the entry. And as you can see if you look at our our um the work that
our architect did on the right hand side of the building is we're trying to replicate what's here on this side of the building with this entrance. This is where that affordable unit is going right here. And that we've kind of put a nice little port kosher on with a with a
a lot of detail and crown on here that would be very similar to what was on the main, you know, what is on the main building. Um, historically, you can see the crown all up along here that we're going to try to replicate and clean up and use modern um u modern
tools and and uh products so that they would last a lot longer than you know the wood that was used and you can see it in here as well. So the details in the building, we tried to replicate as much as we could the historic elements of the building. And when we replaced these windows, I think getting back to
ones that, you know, replicate the mullions that were here um throughout the front with the casework around them and the large sills are all things that we're dedicated to do. So when you see the building, you know, from the front, we hope that it's um that everybody's
proud of it when we're done. Um whether we can replicate this, I don't know until we get up there now and take it. We're going to take the whole thing off. Um but you've got the parapit walls that I believe this is where Calvin said he spent the most amount of money was
repairing this wall system that went up on both sides and this wall system. And I think he did some work to this parapit wall that's here. Um the roof that's under here, the drains are all blocked. The roof is leaking. The flat roofs and back are leaking, but they're not
really, you know, they're rubber roofs. They're not they're not anything like the front of this building. This is the core, I think, of what was the historic building that was originally built in and, as I understand it, you know, used to replicate a lot of of the fire
stations throughout uh Massachusetts because it was done so well. >> And um the two additions on the sides. Are they going to be brick as well? >> No, they're not going to be brick. >> Okay.
>> There's no brick uh planned for this building or this building here. The brick is predominantly from this where you see this parapit wall here >> all the way over to where you see this parapit wall here. >> Okay. All right. And then when you asked
about another um committee, if um you're planning for this affordable to be um handicap accessible, I would go ahead and meet with the um disability commission. I don't know exactly what
their their name is, but I know one of the members is Dave Seabort. And >> how do you say his last name? I'm sorry. >> C I B O R. Um, I can give you his email as well. >> Sure. >> Yep. We'd like to involve as many people
in the community as we can. Um, you know, we are not opposed to uh criticism as long as it's helpful in getting the job done. >> Okay. >> Janet, Julie, can I insert real quick?
Mark, I could be mistaken, but I was on the board when we approved this uh the planning board when we approved this with Calvin the first time. Okay. >> Um I I believe your landscaping comment actually came from our concerns about parking and line of visibility.
>> Um >> and that if you had no if you had something you wanted to do and it wasn't um a parking issue, I'm sure that people in this would be okay with that. But I know we've already moved forward, but I just
wanted to let you know that I'm that is exactly the conversation I remember. >> Okay. We're we're kind of doing a nice, you know, um, pattern of of sidewalks along the building and, um, stamped work. And
I think we, you know, we're doing landscaping on the left-hand side that's away from the front of the building. I think the, you know, the front of the building needs to be prominent because that's the historic part of the building and that's the part that should be replicated as close and restored as
close as possible. Yeah, I appreciate that as well, you know, like that, you know, really allowing, you know, the history to um be recognized and to shine. Um I did, I guess, you know, and I also appreciate your willingness to, you know, just be
transparent and meet with, you know, anyone who is interested. So, I did just want to see if George and Barry thought that it would be, you know, helpful to to go to the historic commission, you know, and talk about elements or um you know, and that there's certainly, you
know, if Janet has more information about what had been addressed in the past, too, that might be informative. But, um, you know, it sounds like you definitely have good intentions, but they would be the the group that could comment more on the, you know, historic restoration approach.
Okay, we're happy to reach out to them. >> All right. Anything else from any individual uh committee or public? All right. And so I again um these plans are on the planning board site. So, um,
I didn't, you know, I didn't put them attached with tonight's agenda because again, they are already on the town's website at the town's new website. So, um, so that >> Okay. All right, Mark. Um, as we keep
moving forward, we hope, um, you come back and, uh, and then we'll see what else we can go ahead and do. >> Do appreciate it. Janna, thank you for inviting us tonight and thank you to everybody that participated this evening. >> Yeah, thank you Mark. >> We look forward to working with you. Thank you.
>> You got it. Thank you. >> Have a great evening. >> All right. You too. >> All right. Um moving on with the with the agenda. I'm just going to quickly no correspondence, no invoices. Um there
will be an invoice that I'll tell you about when I finally get them from uh the Shaba Valley Voice for the two public hearings or really four notices on that grant agreement update. Uh the select board went ahead and approved the
uh grant agreement for um the Palm Street the air um affordable house or affordable the air housing authority um for the the two uh generators. So went through town council
and I got it got signed by the select board chair Janice Livingston last night. Um, and I'll be picking it up tomorrow so that I can bring it over for Ken Martin and then it will be stored um
as well in the folder and at town hall so that we have the copies of that. Um, other than that, town council's reviewing the other grant agreements. Um, um, even going back to Noah, they still have that one. So, that's the
that's the update on that. Um, next on the agenda is just public comment. Like I say, I know we had George here. Um, but I'll reiterate that if anybody watches this on YouTube and has any questions, um, please give a call to Carly and, um, they will get them to us.
Um, seeing the time, um, unless there's something vital, um, with regards to committee reports, um, I think I'm going to move that forward and we can talk about that next meeting, April 1st. We will be reviewing three warrant
articles. One with the dispersements and one for um Sandy Pond Schoolhouse and the other one for the grant um the um air affordable housing trust funds. So there will be three warrants. Give you a
heads up right now. The first phase from the state for matching state funds is at 15.5%. That's what they're planning on. So um >> Could you say that again?
>> The first phase from what they are seeing is 15.5% matching from the state. Now, with us being at 3%, we get more. Um, they have to go through get the 15%
done, then they go through to see what money is left over and see, you know, um different um way that they weigh it and um hopefully we can get back to about 30% um of the state match. We'll keep our
fingers crossed. So, I just thought I'd give you guys that as an update because that's one of the things the warrant articles that we'll be looking at is the dispersements. So, >> anything else? Okay.
>> Can I get a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> So, moved. >> All right. >> Second. >> Okay. You got it, Barry and Colleen. And everybody's getting a thumbs up. Again, thank you so much everybody for all that you do. Really do appreciate it and uh
have a great night. >> Well, thank you for all you do. >> Thank you Janet.