--------- Good evening. Uh this is the meeting of the Air Conservation Commission on Thursday, February 12th at Scenic Air Town Hall. In attendance tonight are Jeremiah, our clerk, Heather Hamson, our
agent, John Schmallenburgger, member, Mark Phillips, vice chair, George Bacon, member, and Jessica Gino, myself, chair. So, first on the agenda would be approval of the agenda.
>> No changes to the agenda. >> Do I have a motion? >> I have to make the motion. [laughter] I'm not going to make motions. I I was doing that before because I was so used to it as clerk. >> Motion to approve the agenda as written.
>> So, second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> opposed. The chair votes I. Motion passes unanimously. Uh, next on the agenda is approval of the meeting minutes for January 22nd.
I had sent a couple [clears throat] changes which I think you made. >> Yeah. And resent. And that's what we have here, right? >> So, anybody have any other comments on the minutes?
the stellar job done by Jen, not done by me, who's happy not to be doing them anymore. [laughter] >> You could make a motion. >> So, uh, no changes. There being none, do I
have a Do I hear a motion to approve the meeting minutes? >> So, second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> opposed [snorts] hearing none. The motion passes.
>> Next on the agenda is the continued public hearing um for the notice of intent filed by Ster LLC for Orion Park Drive. should stress that this uh public hearing, this notice of intent is under the air
wetland bylaw and not under the wetland protection act for the state. Therefore, there is no file number for this application. >> Seeing that we're probably going to have more of these as the second one in the two years, we will be having a process
going forward where we will try to make our own application for a notice and we'll start do issuing some sort of file number system. So just >> oh our own file numbers. >> Yeah, we will be coming for more >> coming soon. >> Um so just so the commission is aware of
where we are this evening. Um uh at the the I think it was the day that last May the 22nd is when we got the letter from National Heritage um requesting some additional information. I'm sure the applicant will address that as well. they have sent
them a reply to those and we are still waiting for that. Um, in review of the first waiver request letter that had come in um at the end of January on the 27th at the review of it, it did not meet the requirements of our
regulations. So, they have since resubmitted their waiver request letter to show that there is um uh hardship for no other um way to put the drainage drainage in. They will, I'm sure, explain that in detail this
evening. Um and has also submitted a um mitigation a proposed mitigation plan which will we'll review that as well. Um, just for anybody who has any questions, if anyone watches these videos or not, um, this subdivision road, because I went and did some history today because I had a question
on it, had was approved by the planning board back in 2009. Our regulations have not gone into effect at that time. Our bylaw regulations went in effect in 20 [clears throat] 21 somewhere around there. So that original subdivision
because of the isolated vegetated wetland did not have to file with the conservation commission. The only filing we have outside of the resource area delineation was for the original um storm water system on lot 3 um D number
two 10092. um that actual storm water system I believe had a little bit more impact as far as uh where because it actually would hit the um I larger wetland in the back and didn't have because this one didn't have
any so didn't have any uh jurisdiction so it actually would have more impact on it than the proposed that we have in front of us this evening so I just wanted to give that little brief history to anybody because I had to research that today because a question came up and I was like I didn't actually look that up probably should do that. So,
that's where we're at right now. Um, >> so to sum, the original storm water system wasn't put in. >> What was not put in? The road had not been built. >> Had more impact. >> It would have had more impact because it would have impacted the the larger wetland system that is in the further back that would have then triggered the state.
>> Second question. Um, so the the waiver letter I I have is January 27th. So, there's a new >> there is a new one and I apologize that I haven't sent it. Um, you can have my copy if you would like to review it. Um, I can also pull it up on to the screen
if everyone wants to read it off of there. Um, if we would like, but I will email it out to everybody tomorrow. I apologize. I just forgot to do that this afternoon because it did come in uh later today. >> Okay. >> Um, turn it over to you.
>> Joke though. Um, my son was here the last time. my son Michael, he's on vacation. Our engineer, Sean Malone from Oakleaf Consulting. And thank you for your time tonight. So, I'll let Sean >> explain where we're at.
>> Um, where do we start? I guess uh the first thing that Heather mentioned was the uh uh natural heritage. As she mentioned, they requested additional information. We submitted that last week. Um primarily they were looking for
two things. one kind of an overall um development plan of all the parcels and I think as we've discussed perhaps with this board or maybe the planning board and and we did mention it to uh natural heritage there is no specific
development plan for lots four and five which Joe and Michael are uh planning on or hoping to purchase from the original owner or Ryan Park LLC. Um, the remaining two lots, two and three, are remaining in ownership with Orion. We we
don't know what, if anything, that they're planning, but what we did have from the current owner is a conceptual development plan that they did several years ago. Um, with what they show on lots four and five, that is consistent
with what, uh, Michael and Joe are thinking. So, we've submitted that as is kind of what to expect. I think there'll be similar impacts as far as imperous um work within the habitat area. Um so, that was submitted and Heather was
copied on that. Um and then the second thing was uh a request just for some um numbers to put to how much disturbance we're looking at and what the the impacts are. Um and in short, our reply
was we're looking at probably about 55 thou this this includes the buildout of lot four. Um about 55,000 square feet of total impact within the habitat area. Um all of this impact will be on the outer
edge. It's not segmenting any of the habitat area. It's all concentrated on uh one quarter of the outer edge of the habitat area. Um, and we're not uh providing any impact. We're maintaining the continuity between the potential
vernal pool and the larger wetland system and the uh entire wooded area to the rear. So, um, that was submitted. We haven't got any response yet. So, we're we're waiting on that. Um the second
thing with respect to the uh request for waiver for work within the 25 and 50 foot no disturb zone. Um do we do we have a a plan available? Would we be able to just punch up the uh I guess the
o or the the O2 plan? >> Um unfortunately I I don't I I don't have the laptop like Danny has to pull everything up. It's on my hard drive. All I have is what I've sent to to this uh tablet here and all I sent was the um
[snorts] your waiver letter and the proposed mitigation plan. >> Okay. >> Um I'm trying to find on my phone. I did have the I did send the old plan to a a resident today and I'm trying to figure out how I can find that email up on my phone so I can here so I can pull that up, but it's not working right now. >> Okay.
>> iPhones are not my uh [snorts] >> um uh >> device. In short, um, so we have a drainage system for the new roadway. It' be a catch basins down at the low point,
uh, of where the existing drive comes to our new drive, creating a a low point there that then drains up the road and, uh, kind of takes a left, if you would, uh, to the new storm water basin.
That straight line does cut through the uh buffer areas the the 50ft and the 25 ft. >> This would be about uh that. >> Yeah, that would be helpful if anybody wants >> we can maybe circulate circulate that. >> Yeah, >> but I I have I have the
>> that's the old that's the old one, Heather. >> This might be helpful to see. I see M. Madam Chairman, you have the the colored plan that >> is that this is what you're going to >> Yes. >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And let me
do that and if it's helpful to anyone. >> Um, so the low point of the the drainage system is right around here. Right here is about the existing entrance into lot one here that's already developed. Um so we collect the storm water deep some
catch basins and then pipe it up the road and then a straight shot to uh this infiltration basin. As Heather mentioned, this has no overflow. This is going to retain and infiltrate all of the storm water um that's being uh shed
from the imperous areas here on the roadway. Uh the green area is within the 25 ft and these orange areas are within the 50. So this is going to be about a 10 foot wide swath to be able to
excavate um and then construct the putt and then back fill and then it'll be lomemed and seated in the future. This can also be used um by the town. This will be a town road um be used by the
town to be able to access this basin for any maintenance or anything like that. If we were to avoid this um buffer area, we'd have to kind of make a a right angle around it. And in order to, you
know, stay far enough off of this buffer zone so we we we don't impact it, we're bringing it down here into kind of the center of this lot for here. Um, so that one would kind of impact what can happen on that lot, but probably more
importantly to the condition commission. It produces a situation that really makes this unconstructible. We're limited on the elevations because of the uh separation of seasonal high groundwater. We've set this at the the
minimum separation that's allowed. And then we have to run it back with uh a half a percent slope and with a step in each drain manhole. So in adding that bend, we're adding a structure as well
as another 30 ft of pipe or so. And we're already at minimum cover here. That then puts this pipe invert. Too high. You need about 2 and 1/2 ft minimum to be able to construct a 12in
pipe into a catch basin. And then the rim uh and frame that's set in the pavement. This would leave us only about uh 2.2 2.1 ft. So it really uh would be
unconstructible. So then the question is okay, can you raise that area? And the answer is no. We have a 1% slope coming down this driveway and a 1% slope coming down this driveway. So we really can't
raise this roadway at all. We're at a minimum slope here. Um so in with that in consideration we are proposing a mitigation plan. Um and the
plan would be to uh vegetate about that kind of area there. That's about 2,000 square feet around the all within the um 25 foot buffer between kind of
the water line and the 25 foot buffer and plant that with about 80 um wetlands type species. be looking at uh viburnum, high bush blueberry, uh hay scented
fern, trying to add something with uh some more wetland characteristics and a little bit of food source. Um so that's what we'd like the the commission to consider and um we'd love to talk about that. Uh, I guess just the last thing
too is [cough] if [clears throat] you remember we did schedule a site visit unfortunately because we live in New England and mother nature is a a cruel beast. Um, that anyway [laughter] >> that that site visit had had to be
cancelled because of snow. So, wanted to talk with the commission kind of where we stand on that and what we can do to kind of keep this moving forward. So where you want to propose mitigation that's in between the
uh new drainage pipe and the potential vernal pool. >> That's correct. >> That would be doing more disturbance or just planting. >> What is so um when you if you following the wetland protection act you're allowed to do work within within the buffer without a permit. um it is
considered um an improvement. Uh my concern with that is one is to correct we're doing more disturbance in there. I don't know what the edge of that buffer looks like. I don't know the existing vegetation that's in there because we're in the winter conditions. Um I appreciate the effort. I think it's a
little um premature to be looking at and approving something like that without have knowing what the site currently looks like. Um I do I think something could be done 100%. I just don't know if this is exactly what we would want to see until we see what the site looks like.
>> If I could speak to that, um, we were out there extensively doing test pitting and walking around and observing that vernal pool and that's a forest mat floor with some high bush blueberry in there. We would not have to break the soil with a machine to plant that. Those are all one and two
gallon plants. So, it's not as if we have to go in and and disturb that other than with a shovel and a rake to achieve this planting. And then we would use an upland uh northern wetland upland
>> seed. But if you went out there in the spring, you'd see fern, lobush blueberry, some snags or scags or whatever you like, you know, some dead dead pine trees and some barb wire from the farmer
having his uh cows out there because there's actually a bunch of barb wire that you need to be >> careful about out there as Sean and I found out. Yeah, you can actually see that in the plan along with the X's do >> and the answer to your comment, Madam
Chair, is that I don't we we wouldn't be making matters worse. We'd be improving improving that condition. >> The other thing with respect to a sitewalk, I did speak to the owner today. You might remember if you've been out there before, there is a pathway.
Um, obviously the weather's beginning to moderate a little bit. I did ask the owner if we could go out there and plow it and maybe open the area up depending upon what your board would like to see. We could at least get you back there. Um
we could probably plow it in the next week and not break any soil. Um I'm I'm assuming the ground is frozen now with what we had for cold temperatures before the snow. So that's that's something if
the board would like to get a walk out there and see the vernal pool, a potential vernal pool, we certainly could do that before the snow melts. >> What does our agent think about that? >> Uh um Joe called me with that suggestion. Um I think it it's not a bad
idea to try it and see what we're able to see. At least gets us a chance to get out there on site to have some to at least see something. Um, depending on when it's plowed and what the weather does between now and when we get to go out there, it might actually melt enough that we would get to see some sort of bare ground at that point as well. But
it would get us at least out there to to see something. Um, and a little bit of melting hopefully would help with that. >> I would wonder if you plowed sooner rather than later and then we have warm weather the next going up to I think 49 next week that could add [clears throat]
to >> belting and expos. How wide of an area would you like to see, Madam Chair? I mean, do you want to see >> the the the Definitely would want to see the pathway of the the pipe, right? >> Yeah. >> Would you want the full width of that?
>> Um, I think at least Well, a plow, you know, dept. A regular plow would be about eight. So, >> yeah, we'd probably put a track skid steer out there. And I mean, we could open it up if you wanted us to get you a pathway.
to the renal pool and we could push the snow. The renal pool's on the right, push the snow over to the left so it's not bleeding into that. We do our best to try to open that area up without breaking the ground. >> Yes. Well, I would I would plow on the
side that's closest to the vernal pool so we could look at that edge >> and see where that where that where that um that drainage ement of that pipe is going as as best as we can. Um whether it's going to be enough for the commission to make a decision, I don't know. But at least it's it's to try
something given the winter condition, the winter we're having this year. >> One other thing that I think it's important that the commission understands is that what Sean's designed here in comparison to what's shown on that plan. The original um drainage
easement that was in area B was much larger on that plan. And it also had >> it also had a bleeder >> bleeding out into area B. And we've eliminated that because it's all good soils out there. So Sean was able to
keep all the water within that drainage easement. It does not have to flow out into uh area B. I think it's shown on that Heather. Yeah, that's why I I brought this so we had some sort of idea where what what
was originally proposed. And unfortunately, yeah, this fell [clears throat] under the act before for the wetland that's for the north, not for the isolated >> looking at long range forecast. It really does look like starting
well as of now that the daytime temperatures don't seem to go below freezing for the next few weeks. Um there is potential for some snow or freezing rain on the 24th. So I'm wondering if we could make an
attempt to just see what conditions look like on the 21st. Does that sound plausible? if you >> Saturday. >> Well, yeah. And now there's potential for some snow before that, the day before. So,
>> as what I can do is we can uh plow it and I can have a conversation with Heather and try to get it plowed. I mean, Monday's [snorts] holiday, but um try to plow it early next week and um >> and see how the melting, right?
>> Yeah. We want to see bare ground. >> Use that edge, right? >> Yeah. We want to be able to see as much as we can. Um whether we get to bare ground, I I don't I don't know. I don't want you to try to plow down as much as possible in fear of breaking ground. We
don't want to do that. Um but I think if we can get it plowed um hopefully not this quick turn around in the next couple days with the 40° I think that are proposed early next week it should >> melt enough right [snorts] >> that we should be able to at least see
something poking through to get us a brief idea >> um where that where that drainage geeseman is going to be >> towards the vertical pool because obviously looking at the grading it is going to be a depression you'd be able to see where it is. >> Sure. the vegetation would be difficult,
but I can try to work my magic on some um GIS mapping that we have. And I know we do have some pictures from previous applications. >> We we have some stakes out there, I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the four corners of the the straight line through the buffer
zones are are uh staked out there right now. That was done before the snow fell according to Mike. >> You're saying the four corners of this? I think these here so you can >> Oh, so if we just get straight line Okay, I just got in there.
>> Okay. >> I mean, I'll see. I don't know if we have anyone available tomorrow, but we'll see what happen. >> And if if if for some reason it looks like the the weather might turn the end of the week, I can always call Joe and at least get myself out there during the
week to see it um to at least have something um before the next meeting. >> Okay. Why don't we you try to plow in the next few days and then we'll see what the melt is and then you and Heather can coordinate. >> We have to be optimistic, right? It's
only going to get better from here. >> Well, it has to at this point. >> We've paid all those high oil bills and gas. [laughter] >> It's I got a propane delivery. Oh, and and just looking at this and so everyone knows when they're talking about development of lots four or five and is
that that's on this side of the plan where the wetland is further down going towards Westford Road. Yes. So that lot four um would have that 100 foot buffer on it I think it is or lot five and the other one wouldn't have anything. >> So if anything they'd come back they might have to come back for some sort of
work with one of the lots but not the other. Yeah. um just so anyone knows. And then the other lots that are being retained by the current owner are on the other side of the um of the culdeac. >> Right. Okay. >> Just going back to
the expectation right now. It's all just gravity. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. >> I thought I heard you say pump. >> No. No. No pumping. Yeah. We don't want to be pumping storm water. That's not a good situation.
Sorry, your pumps don't walk. You don't. >> Any other questions? Mr. Schmullenberger, >> the the difficulties that you were discussing about deviating from the straight shot. >> Yeah, >> that holds true staying out of the 25
foot. No touch. >> Um, we could not as much. We we may be able to do that. That would be outside of the existing drainage easement. I'm just
looking, Joe, if because that green there, if we rotate down counterclockwise, you know, 10 degrees or so, we may be able to do that. That's something we can take a look at. So you're saying where it says proposed drainage, we'd have to
come in kind of at this bottom piece so that you're deflecting deflecting the pipe down, >> right? Just if you take it at the manhole there and just rotate counterclockwise here, >> some stay out of that green area.
>> So we come come from there and try to hit. So this pipe would drop down to here. So we'd stay out of this piece. That's what you're after. >> Y I think a question. >> Yeah. No, I I I I get it. I think we might be able to do that. So, I
>> I think getting I think getting anything out of the 25 it'd be greatly greatly appreciated and and give the commission and myself more peace of mind. [laughter] >> Yeah, we we'll certainly take a look at that. And >> actually, it's still we still
basically you Well, is that easement that's not already given, right? we have the ability to change that easement or or is that already on that plan? >> The the ements we have to go back to >> the easements exist. Um but
>> we may be able to modify that or if that's the lot that you're purchasing, you could add to it. Instead of it being 15 ft wide, we make it 25 and be able to accommodate that. And the ease would be more or less for the town to be able to
access it after the fact for maintenance. Correct. >> Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We'll work on that. See, I mean, do you have time that you can get that? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Anything? >> Uh suggestions?
>> I don't I'm not wild about the idea of plowing out there. I mean, we didn't go out for a half an inch of snow and now we got a foot out there. I mean, I'll go along with whatever you guys want to do, but I just don't think it's a good policy. >> Well, if not not to interrupt, if we're
doing this, if Sean makes this change, do you even know need to go out there if we're staying out of that area? >> At the end of the day, >> yeah, we're we're still in the 50 and and the 100.
>> Yeah. For the our bylaws still. >> Yeah. lost our 50 foot no to serve. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And how I guess my question is how much are we delaying you by waiting on natural >> um so we're going to get our according
to Danny the town planner we should receive our decision uh at the next meeting on the 24th >> for planning board. Obviously, we don't want to purchase the property until we get the fish and wildlife go ahead
because what's the point in buying it if we're if that's an issue. >> Mhm. >> So, are we delayed in um do we need to have this done tomorrow? No. Can we wait till the snow melts? Yes. I mean, it's
>> in the building anyways, >> right? It's not like we're ready to go put a shovel in the ground tomorrow. >> I I right, you know. I mean, >> that was sort of my thought, >> right? I mean, if you'd rather wait. >> I don't know. I mean, what >> I mean, it's entirely up to the
commission. Um, I think we could if they're if you guys are comfortable with them plowing, I think we could see something out there. if you're more comfortable with waiting. Um hopefully um March can go one way or the other. Whether it be going out in half an inch
of snow and seeing that or are we going to be going out with an inch or two of of rain in in muck boots is another thing. Um you you're going to trade one thing for the other. >> Um so we'll be we'll be trucking through, you know, muddy field as opposed to um a snow cover. So I mean
>> sounds like you don't want to go through the >> No, I don't I don't I don't [laughter] care. I I have nice boots now, so I'm I'm fine with that. >> Pretty good. It's pretty good grally soil. And he's got a pathway there. So, if you if you folks want to wait, [snorts] >> it's not, you know, we're not going to go close on
this. Um, you know, we're probably not looking at a transaction until I mean, we don't know how long fish and wildlife is going to be. >> Yeah. Well, and that's that's kind of what my thought is. If if we're still delayed on fish and wildlife, you know,
there isn't any >> I mean that these folks can do >> I mean I'd love to go plow snow. >> I know. Yeah. >> But you know I don't you know the onus is don't disturb the pathway either. So you [laughter] know >> if there if there is a way if it's
plausible to shift that pipe a little bit further out of the 25s um then we wouldn't want to have that plowed closer. So maybe why don't you first step would be to see if that shift could be made. >> Yeah. >> And then if that is can be made and we
can see what the weather does. >> Make a decision at our next meeting if it's things are looking Yeah. >> melty. >> That's fine. It's perfectly fine. >> Appreciate that. >> Um so the next step, the next order of business for us would be have Sean send
Heather a new plan. Um you probably would still want us to do that mitigation work. um restoration work >> um >> and uh then we can look at it from there. So Sean, by doing that we don't need to add any manholes. She's just
deflecting the you're just changing where it's discharging in. >> Correct. >> Going to the bottom of that vert wrap right there. >> Correct. And may have to just tweak the grading a little bit at that corner to make everything um flow flow right and hit the invert.
But um >> might get inable. >> Appreciate that. >> Take that right now. >> Instead of just going from the 25 to the 50. I guess I'm wondering that actually impact future plans.
>> So is your future plan anticipating building within our 50 to 100 foot buffer area? Um, well, we don't know. Uh, and it would it would put the pipe outside of the 50, so it' be within the 100. I
think whatever happens on lot four, we probably will be back here before you folks with work within the 100. Um, >> I would assume something. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. We I mean the
full disclosure, we're looking at, you know, not maximum footprint of these, but we're looking at putting 20,000 square foot buildings on these buildings. We're we're going to build out lot five first for us, which would be our office
building in conjunction with more garage, more more uh uh storage space. And lot four we would probably keep open for this point in time. Um, and then look to see how everything goes on lot five.
>> And that's honestly the more sensitive lot and and we we want to make sure we protect that drainage easement anyway. We'd probably be putting boulders around it and so forth so nobody could roll a truck in there or drive a car
into there so it's all protected. >> Okay. Uh, Jen, any questions? George, Mark, anything more? >> Heather? No, I don't I don't have anything at this time. I I appreciate um the the the
commission's uh questions and um Joe and Sean's time. Um yeah. um just going forward to where we think it we mentioned the first meeting that we're here um the possibility of conditions um there will still I appreciate the planting plan but there's
still maybe additional um plantings required as a condition of the project outside of that just just so you're aware I'm not sure I'm just letting you know that that that could still be a possibility >> yes in um that mitigation plan however
that morphs we understand that would be in addition to any tree replacement that would be required. >> I just want to make sure of that. Thank you. >> Okay. So, u this will continue to our next meeting and uh wait to hear back from you about
moving that readjusting that plan. >> Yes. >> But when is the planning board here? >> Uh planning board is the 24th. So when is your next meeting? >> 26. 26. >> 26. Okay. Um, I mean, does that give you enough time
to >> Yeah, that's no problem because we'd want to get it um into planning board before they vote as well, so everybody has the same plan. Okay. >> So, we we'll make that happen. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
Being nothing further at this point, we have a motion to continue. So move >> second >> to February 26th. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> opposed.
Hearing none. Motion passes unanimously. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Have a good night. >> Great. So, next on the agenda, we have updates. >> Updates. >> We've not met for three weeks. >> We have not met for a while and I wasn't at the last meeting, so I haven't seen
you guys in a while. Right. >> Yeah. I was >> Jones. >> I was enjoying a middle school um band concert. Um it's very short. It's only a half hour. It was nice. Um MACC annual conference is on the 28th. Um there is
still time to register if anyone would like to go. Um they are having it was I did check it was tentative whether it ended up being cancelled or not. I did sign up for it a workshop on a review of the updates to the wetland protection act
>> that have been forthcoming for the last 18 months. Um so if anybody is interested that is one of the workshops um there this year um >> an afternoon workshop >> I believe it's a it's either the second
or third workshop so it is um it's not that one it's not the early or the late one it is in the middle I don't know if it's before lunch or after um >> I think in the morning they had one on also on pond treatments or >> they did have one on pond treatments yep yeah there was a couple good ones this
year I can't remember which ones I signed up for I never do. Um >> um >> location of it. >> Uh this is the one that's at Holy Cross. >> Holy Cross. >> And it was at Holy Cross. Um fall is at Devon's. Um as some of you were aware, you're at
the the meeting upstairs um with Lincoln Hills. That project has had a stop work order. Um >> uh we were on site for that. Um, I've been helping Danny with some of the um, inspections up there and and doing an enforcement. Um, things are moving along
on the National Grid um, substation. They did get a minor modification to their plan. There's no longer going to be a sewer um, septic on site. They are connect doing a sewer connection. Um, that sewer pipe connection was within the I think already disturbed area.
There was no change to our our permit for that. Um, so that connection is going through. So there'll no longer be uh septic on site. Um, is there any other projects that are a lot of stuff is in winter conditions right now. Nothing's really working
because of the foot and a half of snow we had and the cold weather. So there isn't a lot of construction going on right now. Um, as far as any uh other applications [snorts] coming down the pipeline, I haven't heard of any up yet, though the DPW is um very busy in in
working on a lot of things. So, I anticipate that they will be coming before us again probably in the upcoming months for I'm sure another sewer project or storm water improvement. >> What was the status of the >> the covert bridge crossing on West Main
Street? anything any progress? >> Oh, um there hasn't been any progress as far as what they're going to be doing for that. We did have a pre-construction um public outreach meeting um a few weeks ago. Um the DPW held there was a
few questions from the public in regards to conservation. Um but their consultant from um BSC, I believe he was from where actually I keep saying BSC, I don't think it was actually that. Um did he answer those questions? um because of the replication areas and these erosion
controls that'll be put in place. I think they're still trying to figure out if they're going to be able to use that um old cart road. >> Mhm. >> The the new um project manager they have on site. Uh we we I told him why we
didn't go through the for the first time and and had them withdraw their RDA and it was more or less for the back grading. It was more or less we we will allow the project. was just simply bring a bridge in, set it down, and then take one out. He doesn't think that that's a a viable option for that site given the
grading, but they'd have they were going to have to do some more work, and I don't know if that happened before the winter occurred. Um, but they did do some of the tree clearing out there to help [snorts] get them some better sight lines. Um, so that did take place um
prior to all the snowfall that we had. um that project will start um later on in March, I think is what their their start deadline is. There is a um dedicated section of the DPW page on the town's website for that. Um and they
will be sending out they'll have the message boards out on on West Main Street and probably Main Street when that does start so people can um will know when to keep an eye out for um when that construction will be starting and that one lane goes to an effect. Will
they have resolved that issue of how they >> I I don't I think they're going to if they can't use that roadway, they're going to have they I think they're going to use instead of having to bring equipment in on that, they're going to use that area for staging and that would be the bene most beneficial part of their time. I think that was if they
couldn't bring the stuff in, they're going to more or less use it for staging to leave materials on and that would help them the most. >> Okay. >> Um so I think that was the where we were leaving it at, but I I don't not 100% sure. I believe it was just going to be staging at this point.
>> West Main Street the cart path and just stage the material on this side of the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That where we were looking at to bring them in. Yeah. Where that where that billboard is that that where that cart path it ended out on. They're going to probably use that as staging area. >> He did sorry project manager did
understand that we were most concerned about the gabians being placed in >> in the in this in the bank. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And I went to the industry goes yeah that makes sense. It was a new project manager at this time and that's so the why the old one made that suggestion and then the new
one explain that makes sense yeah we don't want to do that either. How that I don't I don't know but the project's moving forward a lot a lot faster with this new project manager. So DPW and the town are happier with how it's going. Um [snorts]
>> with staging and you know proper coordination and sequencing maybe they won't need >> Yeah. to have so much stuff all at once. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um the we [clears throat] will be having a new website launching hopefully in the next couple weeks um
for the town that will have the ability for the um departments to have more um individual control over that. So more to come on that and that'll be fun and easy to look at. So that's I think that's that's good. Anybody has any other questions I can
answer, but I think that's >> or anything on uh now we've got snow so nothing's going to happen but the perpetual question about those sheds >> those sheds. Um there's not. Um I um [laughter] did I did send the
comment uh we had a a master plan update and was one of the things was you know what what is one of the you know outstanding questions one of your your your border committee had like sheds on Pine Meadow. >> That is our outstanding issue and it's being outstanding because we're waiting
for DPW. Um so it they good questions out there. Um North County Land Trust is aware of those out there. They said they won't they'll make that a condition of the the um CR for that. Um in regards to that too, um
blast from the past um Adam Costa and Roit uh had contacted me a couple weeks ago in regards to the CR for um Air Solar 2 >> um and asked questions on that. Since we have the lovely North County Land Trust that's going to be helping us with our
CRS, instead of bringing that back forth to the commission to review and verify you were okay with I sent it to them to look at >> and make sure they didn't have any questions or comments >> um before I I emailed them back to let them know and I haven't heard back from Anna Wilkins. I will that was two weeks
ago. I will reach out back out to her and see if she's reviewed it. Um >> so Anna Wilkins is the reviewer and >> um she she I she's the one I've been contacting over there. So, she she's the one that's helping draft our CR for Pine Meadow. >> Okay. >> Um and working with her team on that. I
don't So, I sent her um that one to review and then a question on the um CR for Orion Park [snorts] Drive. Um that doesn't have a baseline. Um so, I got to I'll probably email um Joetown because
he's not the owner if he knows the owner because we got to get a baseline done for that one so we can get that one completed. But North County said if if we needed to, they could do it for us. It's just a matter of figuring out. So, >> we're slowly working through our CRS and I'm trying to get a couple um in the
works and completed and done. So, slowly working through that project. >> We're waiting to hear back on RFP proposals for the pond. >> Yes. Yep. I sent them out. I sent that draft out. So, I sent it out to um obviously uh Water and Wetlands in
Solitude and um I tried to find a third one, could not find a third one. There isn't that many companies out anymore that do those work, >> but they all get bought. >> They all get bought up and and bottled in together. So, we're waiting to hear back on them. Um Solitude said they were going to pass it on to their person that
reviews it. And uh Water and Wetland stated that they will be able to get us back their proposal prior to the deadline in March. Prior to what? >> Prior to the deadline in March. >> Thank you. >> They use um water mountains. >> Mhm.
>> The majority of the majority of the state uses water or wetlands or solitude. >> Um because I've asked the question last year and this I got the same that's the only two that I could get the answers for. >> Bring it up at the conference. I I will I will I will walk around the conference
and see if I can find a one. >> I want to know [laughter] >> who do you all use? >> I have I mean I have asked questions at you know our MSMCP um board you know meetings and ask what they you know I said I asked a question um at our our annual like our our
lunchon um annual lunchon like who what do you guys have for a um native planting requirement in your regulations? Nobody has one and they thought it was a wonderful idea [laughter] and I'm like okay. They go, "When you have it, can you send it?" I was like, "I guess." [snorts] So, I'm I'm I'm slowly working
through that. I I if Jess would be so kind or somebody else um every time I look at reviewing the regulations and changing them, I get bogged down on the fact how much I dislike how they are laid out. >> And that's no that's no offense to
anybody here. I just I review all the other towns and how they look and then I look at ours. I go, I know this is for a reason, but I have a hard time. It just it boggles my mind. So, I'm going to just draft what I'd like to see. >> And if I could then just send it and
then you >> figure out how it works within our >> We can do that >> would make me happier because >> I get frustrated >> working on it. >> Just the structure >> just the structure how things are written, how things are sequenced. I'm like, "Oh, I want to add something in regards to so because we're having these
issues with the the snow cover." And I know we we we have in our regulations that we won't do a site visit, but another one that I found that most most some some towns do, and this is what we should have in there as well, is we will not do a delineation in winter. And if
we had that, this wouldn't have been delineated because it got delineated in the winter. So, like, oh, we got to add that. and I look at our regulations, I go, I don't know where this would fit. >> So, why don't you do it the way you want and then Okay.
And then we can edit accordingly or >> Okay. Cuz that's where I'm having problems. I see what I want to add in there and then I look at how our regulations are laid out in the sections and I just don't see where they would fit and that's where I just get like I don't and then I get bogged down with the uh complexity of however and it just
and it gets me discouraged. So, I think if if I just write out what I'd like to see and not put section numbers and then just pass it off and somebody else do it for that's just the only way I'm going to get through it for right now. >> Okay. >> If that's all right. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> George says it's okay. So, >> it's it's no offense to how because I'm sure you looked at another town and I it's just one of those things where it's like it's boggling my mind. >> Yeah. Well, I think we we didn't have much to do with the layout, just the content before. Yeah.
So, however Yeah. So, that's >> you're you're the agent now, so >> yeah, use your power. >> Okay. >> But just I don't want to sit there and be like, "Okay, we're going to rewrite I don't want to rewrite the whole thing." >> But and then I'm like, "Well, am I peaceming it?" And then that's when I just go on a spiral. So, I'm like, "We're just not." >> You've got great power and as we all
know, great power comes [clears throat] great responsibility. So, >> I feel like that's what I'm doing. And I just do it that way. Fine. >> Yeah. >> And then say, "I I still have three more to go. Where do I put these?" >> We don't need them. [laughter] >> Extra parts.
>> Extra parts. >> Have you Have you heard any anything about any movement on 71 Sandy Pond? >> There is a new meeting on the 23rd. >> I think it was the 23rd. >> Yeah. >> Zoom only.
>> Zoom only. >> I think that's what he said. >> Oh, I don't know. I had to be in I had to be there on Zoom. So >> yeah, >> we'll get an update from you two on the 26th. >> Yeah, I don't like it. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I don't like the direction going either, but that's okay. [snorts] >> Well, I mean, I'm looking forward to when they do public input. Um >> we'll see. Um,
Jen, anything? John, anything? >> I do a question. The the building that's on Shaker Mill Pond that came before us to put in a tight tank. >> Yes. Yeah. On Littleton Road. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Nothing's been done. >> Nope. >> And it looked to me like there was a curb cut across the street right there. Across the road. H that's do that's dot >> store. >> Yeah, the northern blue northern.
>> That's got nothing to do with this project. >> I don't know. >> On the west side of the building. >> Uh is that the side closest to the pond? >> You're saying curb curves. >> Well, it it cut it cut right across the
the road. >> Oh, >> yeah. Oh. Oh, like Oh, so like almost like I have to let me um let me double check with Sam um works in Florida Health because I know there was a thing on that in regards to I think it was a
septic permit. So I'll ask her where they are with their septic permit if they actually did get one. Um and next time Bridget's in if they did get their septic permit, I'll ask her. >> Okay. >> Because that could have just been a waterline connection. >> Yeah, maybe. I just saw it and I go,
"Hm, that's new." So, uh, but I will I will check with the board of health side of things, um, next week, which on Monday, and and see where they are with their septic permit. [snorts] >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> That's all I got. >> Well,
relatively. >> I remember I brought that up, but >> we asked the GPW to plow out the parking area for me. >> Yes. You should also plow across the street up to the swing gate. >> Yep, I will do that.
>> Neil right now >> because if I don't, I forget. >> I have a question. So, um I mean Lincoln Hills is still an open space residential development, right?
>> Lincoln Hills is still an OSRD, >> correct? >> Right. And yeah, this is one of the things I've just been wondering is um because the current OSRD bylaw does not have a particularly robust
definition of open space. >> Correct. >> Or at least one that many of us would subscribe to. >> Correct. Is that something as a board that we could propose a an amendment to that portion of the bylaw to put in a
more robust >> There is a plan and I'll have to I know Danny's been bogged down because the planning board was quiet right after uh Lincoln Hills was approved and now has got four or five projects coming down the pipeline looking at reviewing their
regulations I think throughout the year and one of the big ones was um from the planning board itself as well was the fact they need to have a definition for open space. Um the main concern that I think Danny and myself have in regards to which we agree that there needs to be
one there actually technically isn't. The state does not have a definition for open space. There is not one in the protection act. There's not one for ecological restoration. There isn't one from natural hair. There is no >> state definition for open space. >> Yeah. Um I asked the question I think at
the annual conference last year uh at a couple different um state agencies and none of them had heard of one. They go oh you we probably should but there isn't one and I think it becomes one of those every department might have a different slight definition of one so they don't want to settle on one.
>> Um >> so does that leave it open for towns in their bylaws? It does open it does open up for towns and their bylaws to interpret and I think at that point then it becomes depending on the town and or the department what their what their interpretation will be. Um so it's might
be something that seems like oh it's we need to have it and simple but it'll end up being a probably a pretty tricky thing to define but I I I do agree and and Danny and I have mentioned it that it's something we do need to look at and the planning board agrees it needs to be in that OSRD there needs to be a definition for open space.
>> Right. And it seems to me is because I I I hate to go through again this issue of okay, how much can you disturb that open space during a construction project so that it technically is no longer >> Yeah. Um >> preserving habitat. Since we are
entering a slower period and the planning board is on a busier side, I will um ask uh the town planner Danny if if he minds if I take a stab at looking at some of the sections of the OSRD and in drafting him some sort of um updates
to that to assist him on that and bring that to the planning board that way. >> Yeah. And at least, yeah, for where we have a role in issuing a conservation recommendation, >> um, I'd feel better on our recommendation end if we were upholding
>> a decent standard. >> There's there's a couple things within the regulations and the bylaw that don't match that contradict each other when it comes to what the conservation commission does that need to be cleaned up. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. That was all for me.
>> I have one more question. I was really surprised by the the width of that road. >> Oh, the easement >> going up to the >> Is anybody else surprised by the size of that thing? >> The utility.
>> Yeah, I think that's >> I think bigger than I thought it was going to be. >> Well, because that was counted as open space and I remember during the early hearings they >> was in the early hearings it was and they took it out. >> They did take it out. >> Yeah.
That's when we got the additional rock face added in the open space >> even so it's big you've seen it right >> does that then segment >> so >> I mean one of the things we could also consider was reduction in segments >> that's that's one of the comments that
had also been brought up from the planning board is is to eliminate the the segmented um open space and and making sure there's an actual clear definition of how wide open space can be because a 10ft strip of open space >> that's you know thousand ft long. Like that doesn't What does that do?
>> I was surprised. >> Well, yeah. And the the the CR open space in >> No, it's not a road. It's just It's just a utility. >> Yeah, >> there's multiple I think it's more than just one utility in there. And that's probably why it's so wide. It's not just
a storm water. I think there's more than easement more than just that in there. >> I think it was u sewer, too. >> Yeah. And that's why they have to do pumps. >> We can't have them close together. That's a good question. GPW. >> Yeah.
All right. Anything else? >> All right. I'll accept a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I chair votes I opposed.
>> Crickets. We are adjourned. 757 Part: 2
Good evening. Hello and welcome to a special planning board meeting for Thursday, February 12th. This meeting hearing of the air planning board will be held in at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an
option for remote attendance and/or participation via Zoom is being provided as a courtesy to the public, the meeting hearing will not be suspended or terminated if technological problems interrupted virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by the law. Members of the public with a particular interest in the specific item on this agenda
should make plans for in-person versus virtual attendance accordingly. This meeting will be live on Zoom. The public may access the proceedings by joining Zoom meeting ID 86460352357 or by calling 9292056099. For additional information about remote
participation, please contact Daniel Ruiz, now planner at druicair.ma. us or 978772 8220 extension 144 prior to the meeting. First order of business is to approve
the agenda. I make a motion to approve the agenda as shared. Second, any discussion? No. >> Hearing none. Nathan I. >> Ken. >> Hi. Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Chair votes. I meeting is open. Hello and welcome. Let me uh talk a little bit
about what's going to happen tonight. So after my brief little introduction, I'm going to turn it over to the town planner, Danny Ruiz, who's going to give us a kind of chronological blowby-blow of the events that took us to where we are tonight. Uh when he is done, we're going to hear from repres from the
applicant's representatives. They're going to explain what happened, the consequences of what happened, and what they're doing to remediate these situations. After that, the board will have a com opportunity to ask questions or make comments and then I'll open up
for the public for comments starting with the room and then turning to Zoom. When it comes time for public comment, I'm going to ask you to I'm wait till I acknowledge you and invite you up and you're going to come to the podium here so that you can be picked up on the microphone. You can see on top of the
ladder. Two other things to understand. One, I know the feelings are are strong about this, but there will be no personal attacks here tonight and we will be civil. And the second thing is that we are not going to relitigate the application decision.
With that said, Dan. Oh, thank you, J. Um, so we're here today for a special uh mentoring meeting regarding the Lincoln Hill project. Um, there are two main uh things that have brought us here. Um
while I was out on site on uh last Friday, there was uh construction um there was blasting going on and during that blasting there um was a fly rock
incident. Um fly rock left the site and hit in the money properties uh shed. There was uh the fire department the police department were on site very quickly. We did have a fire department um uh uh one of the details there for
the blasting as is required. Um as part of that there was investigation done by the fire marshall um from the state. Uh I will let the fire uh the fire chief speak on that a little bit further. Uh the reason I was on site was
was due to uh construction uh due to uh traffic issues on site. Um there were some uh large vehicles sitting on High Street that uh shouldn't be sitting there causing some traffic jam. And
there was also an incident where a truck backed all the way up High Street when it wasn't supposed to and didn't follow the approved traffic route. Uh we will also be discussing the approved traffic route and um how the applicant uh proposes to address the concerns that
have been risen um by the uh residents in the area. Um, so at this point I would turn this over to the uh applicant so they can do go through their presentation on what they're going to do to uh address all of the concerns that
the town has um uh brought up to them as part of their uh stop work order and um and then the board will uh discuss that after that. Let's give them a gentle place to sit. Grab a t-shirt. Is this the best part? Uh closer on this
side. No. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. >> Can you make sure as people speak up? >> I'll I'll do the best that I can to hold a steady tone. We got a little bit to
cover though, so bear with me. Um, first off, my name is Jason Martin. I with Onyx Corporation. We are the site contractor for uh Lincoln's development. Um, the fields are our client. I'm the project manager on So,
we really cannot hear you. You have to have microphones. I have to be able to hear this. I have my ear turned all the way up from here to speak now. Can you hear them in the back? You stand up and see if I can project a
little bit better. I apologize to zoom in on my screen. We also can't read that. >> Yep. I can zoom in for you if you guys want. >> There's handouts. >> There's hands right here. >> There's copies here. And we The reason
we don't have microphones is because it interferes with the Zoom feed. So people at home can't hear. >> We have to have one or the other. There's no technology to not in this room under 48 hours notice of them are
under construction and there was a meeting scheduled downstairs already. So they're statement he's reading. I can hand it out. Does anyone need it? >> Need it. >> Yeah. Anyone like a rib cage? >> So I'll start again. My name is Jason
Martinics Corporation. between the excavator site contractors project the fields are our clients on this job. Um I just want to start off by by reading this statement that I uh wrote response to uh everything that's
happened on the site over the course of the last few weeks. Um, on behalf of the Fields, A1 German Blasting, our blasting subcontractor, and Arts Corporation, I would like to sincerely apologize to the reg residents of Air and the members of
the town's boards and departments who have had endured the past several weeks of the London Hills project. We would also like to apologize to our clients, Janet, Michael Fields, for letting them down. We value our relationships and our
reputation with all of our clients in the fields and they deserve better performance. It was never our intention to cause any disruptions in anyone's daily life. We recognized that this is your neighbor, your homes in your town. And to date, we
have not been the best guests as uh I'm sorry. All all we ask this evening is that you hear us out and give us an opportunity to earn back your trust. As you all know, Lincoln Hills is a challenging and complex project and we
understand that not everyone is excited about it. We can easily put ourselves in your shoes. We are homeowners. We have families and many of us have experienced development close to our own homes. We fully recognize the impact of our presence has on your daily lives and
Onyx as an organization has a responsibility to be respectful, polite, considerate and kind to the residents of the air. We have not met that standard and we are disappointed in ourselves. We
cannot undo what has already occurred but we respectfully have pass an opportunity to make it right. This project will move forward. We will and we believe the best path for everyone involved is to work together respectfully and cooperatively to see it
as completed. This will require clear consistent communication from residents directly to the job team or to the various town boards to Onyx in the fields so that we can understand the concerns and do our best to accommodate. Danny, your town planner, has done an
excellent job fielding calls, emails, and concerns and directing them to the appropriate team members. We expect this process will become clearer. Um, getting information to the right person quickly is essential to resolving these issues in a timely manner.
Regarding the two primary issues that bring bring us here tonight, we would like to update the public on several changes presented to the town earlier this week. We believe these changes will directly address the concerns surrounding the project and will yield
immediate measurable results. We welcome your feedback following this week. Blasting policy changes. We're going to be installing uh chain links driven post behind the property located at 29 high street on the western side of
blasting limits. We believe for this uh that this should reduce not only the sight lines into the project but limit the possibility of fly rock leaving the site. We are going to be reducing
um the size and the shapes of the glass by modifying the drill patterns in rows of three and elongated rows thereby reducing both the amount of explosives and the overall blast area. The blasting mats will be over
overlapped by a minimum of 3 ft and an increase in the total number of mats and special attention given to the western side of the site which is where the house houses will be closest to the blast. A1 drilling and blasting will provide additional details on these
enhanced safety procedures and protocols in cooperation with Onyx and the air fire department and we'll address questions later on the evening. I'm sorry. Yes. Onxic safety manager uh to this point has been doing occasional
inspections on the site to um to observe blasting operations and provide additional set of trained eyes uh on preparations and procedures. Sean will now dedicate his time to this project for the next couple of weeks to ensure compliance not only with 21's blasting
protocols but with our own internal safety protocols that have released the blasting efforts. Um as for the traffic and delivery concerns first and foremost we take forward responsibility for the shortcomings in our planning that brought us to this
point. We are ultimately responsible for any deviations to the improved routes and for resulting in the disruption and safety concerns experienced by the residents of a from the start of this project. We have emphasize the importance of adhering to the approved
truck routes. with our employees and vendors. Despite repeated calls, emails, group instructions, including on delivery orders, some vendors and even our own employees have failed to comply. We acknowledge that we have not been firm
enough, nor have we provided sufficient signage to prevent drivers from disregarding to restrictions. In response, our job team has developed more robust procedures to significantly reduce the likelihood of future deviations. We have also
worked with the town and chief of police to amend our originally approved truck group which has proved to be impractable practical for certain large trucks and loads of the quota. The issues the issue was raised with the town early in the
process along proposed alternative routes that could allow oversized vehicles to travel safely without causing damage to private property. I'll add a section to this that was approved today. We reported the decision. Um, we had a driver come out and drive a few se
a few different routes and come up with uh our low bed driver which route he could access safely on Highland off of Washington with the granite work that's out front there and the narrowness of that road is just impossible for these
long trucks. So, we did email the town on January 5th with some suggested alternative routes and we've now worked that out. So, that's a that's a plus. We can share those with you. installation of 3x3 orange construction signs that say no delivery trucks with
onyx underneath. We're the reason we did those so specifically we didn't just put up a cookie cutter sign is we don't want to exclude traffic that should be in the neighborhood. If we put something up that's too prohibitive, you won't get
your Amazon packages, you won't get your deliveries, etc. So, we have to be very specific about the wording on those signs and make sure that people realize that those restrictions are for this project only. Uh, all deliveries will be directed, this is the big that we're going to take
on right away. All deliveries from now on will be directed to an offsite staging area where drivers will wait to be escorted to the site by an OnX employee. This location is being worked out now
with guidance from the town. All oversized equipment deliveries utilizing broad Harvard road entrance will be coordinated in advance with the air police department and traffic officer will be dispatched to assist with traffic control and public safety.
For any vehicle related incident incidents including parking issues, speeding, noise, signage, property damage, or other safety concerns, residents are encouraged to contact me to look directly. I leave a stack of my business cards here tonight. Um, we also
request the support. He's been the chief of police have been fantastic in and encouraging the chief that if there are any deviations or any speeding or disregard for safety on the roads of air
that he pull over those drivers and take we will reconvene with the town boards and departments in about 2 weeks if it's acceptable to the planning board and review these newly implemented changes and uh to measure the effectiveness
uh and get some feedback from the town as to how things are working. We appreciate the opportunity to represent uh to present these proposals and look forward to continued dialogue with the boards and departments of the town. We commit to an ongoing
collaborative and the other town representatives to ensure these policies remain effective throughout Onyx's involvement in the project. This is a starting point, not a final solution, and will remain flexible and receptive to all practical measures to improve the
quality of life res. Thank you, Mr. I think. So, at this point, what I would like to do is turn over to have his first session regarding blast. Great. Thanks, Danny. Can everybody hear
me? Okay. So if I if you want I can just briefly go over what happened last Thursday. So um we had a fire detail up at the job site last Thursday just after 10 in the morning. A blast went off. The fire detail relayed back to the station that there was a a fly rock incident. What that means is a piece of the rock
from the blast site left the site and went off site which was I believe 29 High Street. Um he called down the fire station. The deputy chief and the captain responded down there. Um we created an incident for that. Um for our protocol, we notified the uh fire
marshall's office code compliance unit in which they sent a uh one of the uh inspectors out um between the fire department. The police also were up there. The fire department and the code compliance officials from the state um determined there would be no blasting for the day while the investigation was
underway. And I believe Onyx and A1 blasting also did their own internal investigation, you know, uh parallel. Um I think within an hour or two that investigation was completed. Uh there was going to be no more blasting until uh the state had completed their
investigation. Um so from then on so that was uh turned in Friday reached out to the code compliance officials. They weren't done with that investigation as of Friday. So there's no more blasting. Um, I reached out to them again on Monday in which they concluded and uh
and they found the same there was no evidence of uh willful negligence or deviation from the approved blasting plan. Um, we we as a fire department agreed with that as well. Um, since there was a stop work order in place, there was going to be no more blasting until then. So, we're just wait so the
states cleared them. we're good pending uh removal of the stop work order in which then we would issue them another permit to continue with their blasting. And if I had any questions, Walmart just any questions on the blasting incident.
Yes. Um could you please explain what the difference was? And you said that they um were violating the approved blasting plan. What did they do that was different than what they were allowed to do? >> Exactly. I said there was no violations
of the approved last plan. No violations of it. So what they did was what they said they were going to do. >> So it happened anyhow. >> It it it does happen. It's an interesting It's an industry thing that sometimes these incidents happen. I got I talked to the compliance official on
Friday. He didn't answer my call because I was doing another uh fly rock incident another jurisdiction in the state. So these incidents do happen. I think they do a good job of any history or anything you do that accidents do happen but they had everything they did they expected
not to have flywalk. >> Um is it appropate to make a comment do we have first before we open the public? >> Um yeah I think we would go through all
through the next couple of >> Yeah. and I'd be happy to come back up and answer any questions you want to answer. Um, I'll ask the police chief to come up to discuss the uh traffic. Sure. Uh, good evening everybody. Uh, Chief Brian Gil. Um, so from the
beginning of this uh project, the the challenge has been uh kind of multiffold. Um, the biggest thing was how do we get the big trucks into these neighborhoods? What we knew right off the bat was um the Columbia Street side
on the High Street just was not going to be uh a workable um roadway to get these trucks up. So we we looked at uh the Highland Avenue uh entrance on Washington Street. That uh instantly became uh apparent that that was not
going to be able to accommodate uh any trucks making a turn from Washington Street. Um, so we went back to the drawing table with uh with Onyx with the planning board and we discussed an alternative route to try and get these trucks in here because really there's three ways to get in there. There's High
Street, Highland, and uh an access off of Broad Harbor Road. So, uh, we opted to look at, can we do this through an alternative, uh, entrance with trucks coming up, uh, from, uh, Washington Street onto one of the northern roads
leading onto Highland. So, we tried, we looked at that and we, we believe that we, uh, you know, there there was a a road wide enough to accommodate the trucks. Um, there was some concerns there. Um and uh it it became uh
apparent to you that that was going to be a challenge uh road. Um and really we didn't have a lot of time to work with that uh using that roadway, but um we're here today to try and figure out how do
we get uh the road um how to get these trucks safely into this job site because the trucks do have to get onto the job site. Um, so we're looking at and and I appreciate Onyx coming up with uh a
traffic plan that uh kind of almost eliminates confusion of any trucks getting in there. And that's using the staging area and then having one of their employees go out and then grab them and escort them in. um in the
staging area uh is going is it has to accommodate a truck um to to stand there and uh and and wait. So, we're we're still kind of working out those details uh from there, but um that's where we're at. So, uh uh the to to eliminate any of
the confusion, uh Onyx uh has uh offered to put up these uh six signs. uh they're the the construction orange uh and that should keep any of these large vehicles um out of that really congested
neighborhood. Um so uh and as as Danny explained, he was up there um because of a large truck dueling whatever up there and had the whole area, you know, just we don't I don't think we know how they got in there, but um really messed up
the area. So, we need to pro we so the these signs should prevent that from happening. Um, so I I'm confident with the uh let's say relatively confident that this is this plan will uh suffice to get the these
large trucks safely into this job site area. One of the concerns that we had when we started to kind of shift the trucks over to Broton Harbor Road to get them in was um and we do this with many contractors in town um that if they're
just going to be stopping and dropping off uh a truck, we can just send one of our patrols over there because it's usually under 15 minutes. Um and we can make that happen. this this became uh there was a lot of trucks coming and going and we were really we were taking
our patrols uh we were taking our vehicles off patrols and our officers off patrol. So, one of the things that we we asked is that this is going to have to be a pre-planned um uh kind of operation that they were going to have to schedule officers to be
on the location so we can safely get whatever we need to get into this job site from the ground road site. Um and uh cuz these trucks are big, they do take up most of the lane. Um and just to have it done, you know, without any type of traffic control is is unsafe. So, um
we need to have something at that spot there. Okay. Um and I think so at this point um we've kind of addressed the topics that are were the biggest concerns that the town felt we heard from residents um as
well as from the town side. Um the applicant has presented their plans. So I think we would turn it over to the planning board to have let them have their chance to discuss this um and ask questions and then turn it over to the public as well.
So I'll start. So um were there any material consequences for for the blasting incident actually for the >> are there any material consequence were there any material consequences for this this incident? So, uh, as far as
material consequences from the >> the state fire marshall that's investigating this, uh, it's my understanding that the blast master from A1 that day that was responsible for charging the blast is subject to a
license suspension and also a probationary period with his blasting license. Blasting licenses are given to individuals, as far as I know, of the business. Um, so that's going to obviously seriously limit his available
availability to A1 in his full capacity. So, and I'll have to elaborate on that. Good evening everybody. My name is Tim Keefe. I work for window and blasting um um like um Jason said earlier today.
>> Sorry. >> Good evening everybody. My name is Tim Keefe. with A1 Milling and like I you know Jason said earlier with the board we have not you know shown our best foot forward in there in this incident. Um there's a lot of things that led up to
this geology. Um we brought in the state they overcome look at us. They review our paperwork, our our crew blast procedures mainly um and make sure we're following the patterns and making sure that everything stays within the state
limits. Um fly rock is not a normal thing in our business. It does happen. It's it's an accident. It truly happens. We go back to the board. We'll be bringing people in our company that have 30 to 40 years of experience in this and we review everything from when the
blaster gets here, how we loaded the shot, how we matted it, how we communicated with the with the construction company. So we look at everything through this procedure over this procedure. What we've decided to come up with is, you know, I'm going to kind of make it simple. You know, we're
up there taking chunks of blast out. So, we came in here after the state looked at it and said maybe first thing we're going to do is take smaller chunks out so we're not taking such big bites out. Um, we did 19 blasts up there. Blast 19 was the blast that we had the incident on. So, we had 18 successful blast. Um,
we also are under limits on ground vibration and air blast. Um, we did not exceed any of those limits so far on the job even after that incident. Um the state allows us let's say 100% we haven't exceeded 50% of the state's
limit. We generally don't like to do that on construction jobs um to exceed those limits. >> Could you say again what the limits were for? >> The limits are for ground vibration air vibrations that comes off of you glass.
Um the fire like we said the fire department's there every day with us. They review our paperwork. They review the seismic graph. So, it's not like we can go out there and change the stuff. They're there. They're they're monitoring us and we have to report this to every blast has to be reported to the
state and and to the federal government. So, it there's very hard to sweep anything under the table with this. Um, we take this very serious in our company. Um, like I said, our blaster is whole from blasting for right now. Um,
we give minimum 45 days to 60 days back in training. He's going to lose his license through the state. Um he'll have to go back and retest. It's a gentleman who's done this for 8 years. Um he's never had an incident under his belt. You know, it's um
that's how serious it is. You know, it's his livelihood, but at the end of the day, it's also everyone's safety that's most important to A1 onx in the fields. Um so, we we've made some changes. We're going to bring in more blasting mats, take a little smaller shots up there. Um
it might pro you know going to prolong the job just a little bit more than what we said but you know what we had to make some changes. Um looking at the the way the geology also changed going up that hill. There's a lot of stuff that you don't see but after we did our investigation you start to see other
stuff. We did bring uh Rick Roll in a geologist um to help work with us another set of eyes to if there's anything else that we're not seeing cuz we're not all geologists either. So, um, Richard Gold did work with us on this um
um gave us some suggestions and then we came up with this plan for the town and it's and I think um, you know, I know we'll definitely finish this job very successful substantially increase the safety factors. >> Yes.
>> We feel substantially increase the safety factors on each shot. Um, you know, obviously the smaller chunks you take, the the less clos. >> Hold on. We're going to take questions later. We're going to let them speak.
You definitely will have an opportunity, sir. >> Well, I I apologize. We are answering the board. We don't want to turn to the crowd as well. So, trying to serve both. Yes. >> Do you have an estimate for how many more days of lasting are ahead of us?
We're estimating about 27 days left. >> Oh, how how >> uh 20 27 days blasting up. >> 27 more days >> days of blasting days or shots >> days. >> So that's several shots a day. >> Yes. Yeah.
>> 27 from like 27 days like if I count or 27 days worth of blast. >> 27. >> 27 days worth of blast and a half. >> Yeah. 27 lasting days. um you know equip it may a malfunction, drill breaks down, the truck breaks down. So it might you know we're only going to be able to
blast once a day you know so we might have to extend it a day or so but I mean it's always we're working with the planning board to get um maybe an extra hour in the afternoon that we can blast and that might make the difference between getting three shots a day and only
getting two. So, it's at the it's at the we put it in the planning board's hands to tell us whether do you want to you want us to put another extra hour into the day and tear the band-aid off or do you want to slow down and and kind of go for a longer duration. So, when we pair
down these blasts and we try to increase the safety factor, that's increasing the number of total blasts that we're going to have to accomplish the same goal. So, that's why the schedule has swelled. as it has. >> You got a smaller glass and you have to
spend more. >> Yeah, there's a direct correlation to that and that's what we're working with the planning board now on is to try to increase the hours that we can blast during the day so that we can kind of trim that duration down as much as possible if that makes sense. But yeah,
when we do smaller shots, obviously there's x amount of cubic feet to come out and you divide it up by how much we're breaking off by a chunk and that's where Tim comes up with his total blast. >> Can you take this report that you
submitted to us and go over page two talks about the uh the blast details, investigative findings and corrective action? Just double check everything. >> Okay. So they want me just to report on but we got a report done with um through the state fire marshall's office and the
A1 we we came up with a corrective action plan and starting off with the corrective action plan is we we revised the blast plan up there. We have a general glass plan that we started with. We revised it making like going back to
smaller shots. Smaller going back to smaller shots. Double matting is another thing. So when we were up there, we were single place on the mats. We are now putting two layers of mats on so they be layered across each other to help prevent any of
the fly ins. We're also reducing the weight charges of the blast. So each whole weight charge is going to be a little less. We're going to reduce that. Reduce the size of the blast matting overage and Yep. And that's everything. Um and
again with the the last corrective corrective was what we talked about with my blaster that was up there. He he is um he's suspended for now. when he comes back, he off the relic license and he'll he'll be under probation for a good year again working with another crane
blaster. So, it's very serious up there. >> Yes, Kathleen. >> Um, so I have to imagine that if you're in a butter or a neighbor, you're a little scared about this right now. So, I'm wondering if there's an opportunity to increase the radius of the zerocost
prelast surface. um zero cost the state park. Oh, I just >> surveys were given to people that were within a certain number. But that doesn't cover the prices are going back here. It's it's really hard
to hear. >> I'm sorry. Um I'm wondering if so there are folks that received a pre-blast survey because you were within a certain number of feet from the radius and I am wondering if we have an opportunity to
increase the radius of the pre-blast surveys particularly the zerocost ones. Um >> I I don't know like this would have I'm just proposing this like I the planning board I don't know if we have to discuss
this is just like my personal opinion. I don't know if this goes to A1 or onyx or the fields but I I just would like to put that out there. >> Um I think that that I'm sorry Jason just turn around say it loud. I think that's certainly something we as a job
team could consider. Um there would have to be obviously some breaking point for it, but we can look at um certainly expanding the distance from the center of these blasts out a little bit further and offering some additional surveys to
people if it would make you you know um certainly make you feel a little bit better if you if we had a good record of the condition of the house prior to. So, um, that's something we can look at and back out, look at the map again and see how many homes are going to be impacted
if we bump the radius out to 300 or 350 or 400 ft and then get back to the planning board with some decisions and I'm sure Danny can get that the results of that out to you pretty quickly. >> Anything else from the board?
I I guess how do we get get that back so that folks know that they can contact you? Like what's the process? >> So, uh just so if they were to offer that that would be something that's outside of the planning board's decision. Um it that's a state law. We
can't restrict on that one. But if they were to offer that, we they they could send something to me that I would would then a report so that you guys could also see as well. and I can work with the uh applicant on that and make sure that the pre-lass surveys if if it is
increased that they get completed. >> Yeah. So then I guess the message is just I I would hope that you take that. >> Absolutely. So the map that we provide you upon that account of how many people are impacted by that. Absolutely.
>> But how does that work? because I know I'm not supposed to ask questions now, but the blasting is already there've already been what you say 19 blasts. So, I I don't I think it's a great idea, but
I don't understand how you would survey. >> Yeah, it would be based off of today's condition. >> Yeah. >> Post already 19 blasts. Yeah. Okay. Jason, when you and the team just double checking here, explain a
little bit more about the geology and why you did 19 or 18 blast and felt that there was no issue. But on the 19th blast, something happened cuz there something about the shape, exposed rock out of the ground, the angle of the mats, things like this that happened to
be different. So on this job, what we noticed on the last shot there that we had anomaly with, um, there was a big point sticking out of the side bit. And when the blaster laid his mats over, we felt like the shot just moved a little faster and kind of exposed the back of
the shot. So that's why we decided to take less chunks out, bring more mats in to cover the back of it um to negate flat. Yeah, I'll just add briefly to that. We're not all geologists, but if you've seen rock indigenous through this
area, there's there's different types, right? this this granite, this ledge that are very solid and very tight. Um, that's what we've been finding kind of below grade there. We've had to drill to hit rock. It's been very dense and hard rock. And this one particular knob here,
and you can almost see it the way that it broke. It was almost like a shelly type of a consistency. When the blast hit it, it just fractured like window panes. um which is not representative of what we had seen on the site until we
got into that exposed knob. So the blast 19, just so we're clear, was it was an outcropping of ledge that came up out of the surface of the ground. It was the only piece of ledge that kind of protruded up out of the grade, the
existing subgrade. So everything that we had blasted to that point had been mattered on a flat surface and the energy stayed in the ground as designed. This particular rock to my eye and I'm sure Tim too, he's seen a lot of rock. Um when it broke that shell just came
apart um and definitely lended some projectiles to the >> Was that regard to blast you did at that location? >> No, not on the site, but we were moving in a direction. So we started on one road and we kind of blast our way up that road and whatever is in the next
sequence is what we go after. So we had just blasted our way over to this knob and had to blast the knob out. So um you know you would expect a rock in an area to be fairly consistent from 6 ft one direction to the next. Unfortunately
that wasn't the case here with with this particular outcrop. So that answer your question. Yes. Thank you. >> Just want to go back to Amy. Did we say that we there was a time frame for instance like 2 weeks we were going to review the changes and they come back to
us in 2 weeks or how what's the reporting the uh requirement to come back to us with reporting about the product? >> Yeah. >> And who's making reporting? >> Yeah. So as of right now um the stock work order is still in place. Um so what
would happen is the applicant um post this meeting after this meeting there would be a um the building commissioner would review everything um and make a determination on does the stop if he um lifts the stop
work order and the stop work order is based on the safety and if he feels that it has been addressed at that point the stop order stop work order would be lifted and they would go back to um blasting uh site, they would still need to go through the fire department to get
their permit that has lapsed. So that would event they would still go through the fire department for all of that. Once that gets issued, then they would start blasting the implementation of all of the plan. Um what would happen is um so in terms
of the construction um traffic and all of that um the applicant would put the the signs up um and uh we would check that with the DPW to make sure that when all placed in the correct locations uh and they would be start implementing the
other things that they're going to do on um with the uh staging offsite all of that um in terms of the blasting the fencing that they're going to put on the north on the western portion of the site that would be installed um as well. And
um all of the other corrective um action plans that they have in the blasting would be done over the next 2 weeks of whenever the stop work order gets lifted. They would track all of these changes that have been done and have been um put in place and determine um
and then give us an update to see has it has it worked and has it not. myself and the building commissioner will be out on site more frequently to see if this stuff has all been working as well. So, it's not just only from the applicant, it will be also from myself, the building commissioner, I'm sure the fire
chief will also be up there. Like, so there's going to be multiple people checking on this and at the next planning board meeting, which would be on the 24th, the plan board would get an update as to where things are going and if any corrective action needs to be done post that.
So, we had asked Danny um to keep an open dialogue. We had asked Andy to keep an open dialogue as we implement these new traffic procedures. And I had offered to meet with Danny and any member of any of the boards or the
police chief or whoever is pertinent to the um to the us conforming with this new traffic plan um that after 2 weeks we meet and see how it's going. see if there's any tweaks that need to be made. See what the feedback from the neighbors
and the and the public are and try to just make any adjustments to the plans that we presented tonight that we might be necessary after 2 weeks of it being implemented. I think to continue to do that through this hump in the project
and I say hump because we're going to get through this big chunk of work that we're doing right now very rapidly. Um, I can touch on schedule later the board would look like. Um, just to kind of give you guys a broader picture of how
long we'll be uh in town here. Um, so I think it would be productive for all involved if we just kept an open dialogue with the boards and members of the town here as to how this was working, whether or not it's been affected. >> J
get up and turn around. So we as a team have uh meetings every Friday and I asked um Danny and Mike if they would be interested in attending at least by weekly of our Friday meetings. Um so that's an open invitation if you'd like
to come and now they've set up the job site trailer. So um we could have a meeting there. You could see what's going on project. >> Yes. kind of related question. So getting the work on the site that's going on now
with the blast is your survey of the site what not you're going to finish all the blasting that's required on the site not just the blasting that's required in the roads. So, have you assessed the rest of the site to say, you know what, when we get
out of here, we don't have any more blasting. You don't have to go back for underground sewer line or you don't have to go back for a house foundation. You don't have to back for any other items related to the site development. So, very good question, important question. Um, so when Onyx took the job, we had
some test pit data that we do our estimates off of that are based off of, you know, when the fields were in their due diligence section of the the uh engineering phase, test bits were performed, borings were performed on the site. Um, despite those borings, you
know, they're not perfect. So they go out, they do all the test betting, we come up with a with a volume of how many cubic yards of rock are there that interfere with any of the design utilities or the house boxes themselves, other words, the foundations. So uh part
of our contract is to remove all of the ledge associated with the entire job. So, every single house lot that has ledge, every single building foundation that requires blasting to get the slab to to get to the footing grade, we are blasting down to all of that right now
in one swoop. >> Um, so yeah, that's and and honestly, that's where some of our volume came from was uh our missed volumes were um kind of subject to the deepest
utilities. So as the utilities were designed, we have sewer for instance that's at 14 ft deep in the road, which means we have to blast to 16 ft to accommodate the structures in the pipe. So all that's been taken into account. We've come up with a very tight volume based on what we've actually exposed out
there on site and we're very confident in in the volume that we're presenting tonight in the remaining blasting days required. >> Thank you. >> Can I can I just say something? There's someone waiting to be let into Zoom so they can watch. They said they're in the waiting room. hands up.
>> Um I don't see I see hands up, but I don't see the hand on the right hand side. >> Yeah, she she's holding her hand up cuz she wants to speak, but we're not there yet, but there's no way to get
>> Okay, well said. Any further questions from the board? I'm going to open this up to public input. I'm going to ask that if you wish to to be recognized, raise your hand. I can see you. I will acknowledge you. Please come up here so you be closer to the microphone so the
people on Zoom can hear your question. I know it's nerve-wracking speaking to a room full of people. Feel when you get up there, feel free to take a deep breath. We'll wait for you. We'll wait for you. Uh I'm going to ask you to leave your comments to 5 minutes and that we restrict counter questions. If
anyone has a counter question to something, it needs to be directed to the chair and then me back to you. And that's so that the meeting doesn't devolve into chaos. All right, we're all good. All right, who's first? M go bag.
So the the process what works. You come up, you say your name, your street address, and then you can ask your question or make your comment. >> Thank you. Uh Julianne Goang, 34 Broton Harvard Road. Uh, my question is specific to what was just mentioned,
taking out all of the rock on the site. The site extends down the hill right adjacent to my home, which is considerably closer than where you're blasting right now where you blasting. Is that still a plan? Will there be blasting on the easement between the
houses, the McGillicuis, and myself, which also affects the Cazeros where number 38 was? >> Correct. Yes, there is some blasting in the easement. Uh I think we've identified about 1,500 cubic yards of rock or ledge that is in that ement. Um
and it's a fairly shallow cut through there. I believe uh which I think last 6 or 8 ft through there. >> Is it the top? Yeah, the top coming down the shallow up quite a bit. Yes, to
answer your question about 15 cubic lead. So your blasting plant will decrease >> the closer the closer we get to the houses in the original blast in a new blast plan. It was always original that
the closer we get we do decrease. We have based on how close we are to the house. So yes, >> thank you. >> Will they get a pre-blast survey there? >> We've already had it's already done. We
purchased the video and everything. So it's all good. I just want to make sure. >> Thank you for asking. >> Thank you, Mr. Um, yes, Miss Solo say I'm just going to have to ask you to be loud.
>> I can be very loud. Uh, I just have a couple of questions specifically related to Jason's um, uh, explanation which I thought was very helpful and and very specific. Uh, but there were a couple things you
mentioned that I'm not clear on. On I think page three, you me Yeah. Um, no. On page two, uh, four paragraphs up from the bottom, the following procedures will be implemented prior to any future third party deliveries. What's a what's
the definition? >> So, great question. I'm glad I got a chance to clarify that. I'm glad I got a chance to clarify. So, um, part of the problem we had out there Thursday was a a delivery of pipe to the site from, uh, a vendor that sells
obviously all of our drain, water, and sewer pipe. Attached to our purchase order that we send them to the salesman's all the restrictions and delivery instructions and so on and so forth. After this occurred on Thursday, I obviously sent them a very strongly worded email um about why did you
deviate from our agreed upon traffic plan? Uh to which the response was, "Oh, well, we dispatched that material out of a different store and the message didn't get to the driver." So, when I hear this, it's like trying to put 100 million monkeys in the barrel. You've
got people that are involved in this project that have no idea where the job is, how to get there, how important those delivery instructions are. They put it in their GPS and they go wherever the blue line is. And that the difficulty is trying to contain that
down to the level of people that don't work directly for Onyx. So when I say third party deliveries, it's these companies that are delivering our pre-cast, our pipe, our supplies out to the job. We have very good control over the drivers that work directly for us. We have a direct line of communication
to the driver in the truck and we can express how important it is that they stay on those routes. Um it's very difficult when we've got third party vendors coming up because we don't have an we get a hold of the guy driving the truck. So that's why we thought the only
way to kind of contain this is going to be to implement what we had suggested and give them the address of the staging and nothing more so that they get to that staging lot and they can't possibly screw it up. We will pick them up and escort them into the job so that there's
no good idea fairies visiting uh that will cut down this road instead of going down. Does that answer your question? So the third being if we don't have the red line employees basically
>> the related very much related to that can you explain the staging area where will it be does it it sounds like from what I understood the stuff is going to be offloaded onto smaller trucks that could manage. No,
no, that the staging the purpose of the staging area is to do just what I said, keep people from trying to find their way on their own into the neighborhood and give us control with an honest employee escorting the vehicle into the site and not deviating from the route. We can't really offload on somebody
else's property. So, what we have um what we're trying to work with the town of DPW and some private business owners in the area, especially out towards the Rotary area because I think that's a very centrally located, easy to navigate for any size vehicle. If I can find uh
somebody that's willing to work with us up there and that's what we're working on now, we have an alternative plan already in place, but I want to see if I can do better. um get something up by that rotary so that our trucks can meet them at the rotary model
>> the the rotary the air rotary or jar sport is >> yes ma'am >> I don't know why I'm pointing in this area >> so that's where you think the >> that's the area we're focusing on right now and um you know regardless of
whether or not the town lifts us off where we're at tonight we still have work to Right. So, there's something we're not quite we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle yet. I I think by Tuesday, we should be back to work, but we're not going to rush back there and
screw this up again. We're going to take whatever time is necessary to make sure that we have all the pieces of the puzzle in place here and then, you know, a few things to worry about ahead of time. Sure. >> And how long I This is maybe more of a question for the fire chief, but how
long does it take for the that permit that you have to issue >> to to the is that the lasting? >> Yeah, that permit can be done in a matter of minutes. It's just a matter of their permit was good for 30 days and it expired on Friday. So, and that's
something if if it needed to be reissued, we would have done that. I thought there was a stop war as there was no rush but that can be done like quickly. >> Okay, I think that's your thing. Uh just to kind of build upon what we've been talking about with the traffic
group, what we're trying to do is identify the the best traffic group that can and was designed to accommodate truck traffic. So that's why the we look cuz they're coming off of 495. They'll be coming off of Route 2. Whatever it is, we just got to get them into there and not get not not use this residential
neighborhood. Uh we're going to try and get them into the rotary and somewhere off of that rotary where can we stage you know finance engineering. That's what we're looking forward to. >> Oh, excuse me. >> Yeah. Who would like who'd like to speak next?
What do you want? >> What's that? >> Do you want to this one? Um I wonder if you're talking to this house staging area. There's a lot of hospital.
>> Yeah. So just to clarify, I'm not talking to anybody. I'm just trying to help identify um you know finding the staging areas going to be on you know for you have suggestion. You're the lot of places. >> Yeah. Yeah. you know, we're doing explorations there, but you know, we
also don't want to be um trespassing anybody's property or anything with our vehicles. So, there's a bit of a process involved in getting that staging area established. If anyone knows what it would be, >> yeah, I would suggest that there are
many places that have really big parking lots. I don't think they're well used. There's a money exchange, you know, um something like that. many places here. >> Yes, sir. Ceruan blue four years of art school had to account
Jason. What is the new route? I know the old roots. I didn't really hear the new route. That's really nice. Um so at the um January 27th uh planning board meeting uh the planning board voted to approve my modification which
would have the uh larger trucks go down Washington down Washington Street to this intersection with Kage Road goes down Coolage Road all the way down to the Highland A and from there go down Highland Avenue to win. So that
intersection at uh Coolage Road and Island is a bit wider and more accommodating for the larger trucks to be able to make those turns. Uh there's no retaining walls, there's no um grand curving on those in that area. So it
allows for a bigger turn radius for these larger trucks. Thank you. >> Yep. I saw Yes. black jacket. Come on up. >> Okay.
>> Well, if you could just give your names and address >> and we're at 29 High Street. >> Um, I did have one question. >> Sure. >> Um, in regards to I think it's Onyx that I'm asking this to. I want to know more
about the post chain link fence that's going to be put at our >> property along our property line. It says here to reduce visibility into the site. Is that because of me taking a video of the explosion? >> Absolutely not. >> Okay.
>> No, has nothing to do with that. >> There's already a chain link fence there. So, I'm just wondering what the purpose of it is. >> It's not answering here. So, the purpose of the chain fence is to be a last line of defense if we were to have another
fly rock incident. Um, we felt it was just an additional fairly inexpensive insurance policy to make sure that everything on the site stays on the site. So, rather than put up one of those flimsy temp fences that uh tip
over, okay, I'll get to that. um they tip over every time the wind blows. We're going to actually drive posts down into the ground so that if anything was to hit that chain link, it would have enough rigidity to keep the material in the site. Um the scrim is just like a
green decorative. You've probably seen it on um chain link fences before. It serves two things. is it's going to keep the finer material that could potentially pass through the chain link will hit the spring and it also just
kind of buffers the site visually so that you're not you know looking right into our guys um but that are bent over wouldn't quite get different hole. So, um, we just we just thought that the swimming was was another layer and, um,
help protect the property a little bit better. >> And I did >> 6 ft on the chain fence. Actually, >> I did also want to address that. >> Um, it keeps saying fly rock. It's plural. It was not just one rock. One
rock, yes, went through our shed. Um, however, there was damage to our roof of our house and also a construction vehicle on site that I don't know if it belongs to A1 or to Onyx. So, when they say fly rock, it's not just one rock that went everywhere. It was multiple
rocks. I have videos. I've submitted it to the state. It was all put into the investigation. But I do want to point out that this blast went off much larger than the others that have occurred. And I directly saw it, took video, and it
did hit our roof of our house, our shed, and also the construction vehicle on site because it's not being very clear when it's just saying shed. It was not. It was above me at my house. >> And speaking about the blasting, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Speaking about the
blasting when you talked you were talking I think the A1 gentleman underneath um about the smaller shots that we're going to go to from the bigger shots. I was just kind of thinking well you know this is a living our house that are close by and there's
some spots that are not as close to properties. What were the shots that were beginning those first 13? Were they close to our property? Did you guys start with smaller shots near our property? I mean, how was that? And then you saw, you said you mentioned you saw some ledge or
something stick up out of the ground. I just kind of scratched my head about that. We basically took our 18 successful blast where you guys started. >> Yeah, we started at the bottom of the hill.
Yeah. above which we had the original hill basically and we just established the face and we brought that face right up the hill towards high street. So they just so that everyone's clear um
they started down here in this area worked their way up towards high street towards the city of living and towards 29. So they work off the hill. >> I do want to know too with the planning
board planning. What is we were always told nothing like this is going to happen. Nothing like this is going to happen. You can be outside in your yard. You can go about your day. What is the plan if something like this does happen again because it was not at all cared for at the time of the event? That's right. Very important question.
>> So, I'm going to turn this over to the chief because actually at one of the planning board meetings, the chief did explain that this does happen and it could happen. >> Yeah, thanks. So, I did explain that. I don't know who was at that meeting, but I can think of just off the top of my
head over the course of the last 10, 15, 20 years that we've had, you know, three, like right off the top of my head, fly rock incidents in town. When I say a fly rock incident, we're not saying there wasn't more than one, by the way. It's just it's fly, you know, we don't put an S on it. So, we're not
undermining that it was more than, you know, just one rock. So, I'll be very clear with that. But I did was I think it was at a public hearing with the um contractors that I said this was a possibility. But having said that, I completely agree with uh let me clarify
a couple things. One that that incident is taken very seriously as the blaster noted that blaster is going to be given a blast a hearing before the license board in the next coming weeks. That's what the code compliance official said to me. So certainly they have potential
punishment ahead of for them. Um, as I said, there was no willful negligence. There was nothing common. We agreed with that with what the state found as well. Moving forward, I can completely agree with two things that they are covered. They're talking about reducing their size of blast. So, I think it's four to
three and the way they're going to do their maths. I can't sit here before you and say this will not happen again as part of the construction process. But I think they're doing their due diligence that you know in most of these cases if not you know like 99% of them it's just
property that gets hit and we don't want anything much more than property if if but the idea is for zero tolerance but the things they put in place or what actually is needed. The state has vetted that process. So I have no reason to you know stop them from moving forward once
you know the stop work order is done. Do I feel comfortable with that process? Absolutely. But I don't live next door to it. But we're doing everything to make sure it doesn't happen again. But but I can't say for certainty that that's the case. But we're here, you know, that they vetted the process. They
come up with a plan. The states agreed with it. We've nothing's 100%. Um, I know I've spoken um detail in regards to the traffic and part of what this concern comes about. One of the
other things that I wanted to bring to your attention, which I know you're aware of, is not only is it the trucks that are getting to the site, but it's also the added traffic. They never put in that added parking lot for the assisted living staff. So you now have staff parking there, coming and going,
trucks coming and going, me trying to get a child on the bus. There's all that still added in up there. So how are we going to keep everybody up there safe with all these trucks, delivery trucks going to the assisted living, delivery trucks going to the site, me trying to get in and out of my driveway, having to
call multiple times because I cannot get out of my driveway. I asked plenty of times to have complete access given that I have a son that is a diabetic and I need to have medical access. Um, and every time it's I'm calling and looking like the complainer because I can't get
to my house or out of my house. Even that morning, you were there because Onyx had a vehicle blocking and the green pipes were also blocking. Um, that was way down. >> So, I know at least two parts of this and then you can follow through. the one
is that of course with the staging area anyone arrives will be escorted. So that's that's number one. So that's going to be the other thing now is that there's going to be a formal process of police details now that'll be
>> but they'll be in that area and and um so with the escort it's going to go straight to the it won't happen what what happening is they've been coming to that intersection of um of
Highland and High Street right here on this this area. And what's been happening is you and I know they've been sitting there waiting to get into the site, >> right? And then also when they're coming from Winthrop, they can't make that left turn to the site given the telephone pole and the construction there. So they
go on my property to make the turn or they have to pull down High Street and back up. also kind of driving. >> Yeah. So, um in terms of turning onto this, so I have um the as you see
there's at this intersection right here, there's a utility pole. >> The utility pole is about 5 ft behind the sidewalk. So, all of that area is still technically within the town's right away. Not to say what you're saying. No, but now I'm saying that you have to make a wide turn because of that
hole which is then making it they can't. So they go to the right and then they back up onto the site over the sidewalk that we got done. We have a sew issue might not be anything to do with that. >> Um so they're driving up off the road.
>> Yeah. So in terms of driving off the road technically where they're driving cuz I was out there and have witnessed it. It's still technically within the towns right away. not on our side. We've taken video. We've taken footage and there's they're actually tired from the
snow of them going onto our property >> given the map that you sent me by. >> Yeah. On the lawn. So, but that explain what I So, I agree with you. They do they do do that and they also turn up the high street. So in this in this
instance, I would say what they would probably do would be make this winter bath turn up to the high street and back into the site that but with the escort there's not going to be no escort there that's having
that's the whole point is to make sure that >> better because you know you still have the traffic from the assisted living trying to get >> which when we were up there that happened the two trucks were sitting down there trying to get up to winter out to the assisted living. So,
>> and then the police officers keeping it down. >> So, we I do understand where you're coming from on that. That's why with this escort, it'll they'll go straight into the site. It'll >> all voting done on this site because I know that there's been issue with it.
>> I'd like to just quickly address that. First of all, my car if there's an issue with you getting out of your driveway, same step. uh just call me directly. I'll get in direct contact with the site and we'll take care of you on site.
>> Uh I am on site certain days. I work off manage several projects. So I'm not there every day. I certainly contact somebody that is there every day if you need to get direct contact with Onyx is more than happy whether it's in the right way or on your in the
spring. We will restore from your yard there. Make sure that is represented. All of those people will be around. Um we'll be happy to take care of that. Part of the logistical challenges with this job was actually the the terrain within it. As you know, when you come
off that, it just drove right off. Um broke down to a much lower elevation and it was very difficult to get a pickup truck in there for access. So now that we've started to process some of the rock, crush it, and satisfy some of the fill areas adjacent to the assisted
living and start to kind of grade areas out. We've opened up now or we're starting to open up enough flat area within the site to accommodate the trucks coming onto the site and doing whatever turning and moving around that they have to do so they don't have to do
it in the street. So, initially when we got to the site, it was like establishing a beach head, right? It's like there's no real flat straight access or a place to pull in and park vehicles. So, now that we've had the benefit of being on site for a few weeks
and get some of the the cuts and fills down, we've been able to establish some some areas where we can now at least get those trucks in so that they can do whatever it is they have to do in the site. And that will tend to improve as we move through the site.
drivers question. Let's not do that, please. There's no theatrics. He's being he's just trying to speak. >> Do you have any more questions? >> Well, every other comment I have I work with instruction. you know, things happen and I kind of feel like, you
know, the class is getting pretty big hit for this and the third party construction people with the traffic management, but I feel like, you know, he's showing up a lot to this a little bit, too. Feel like I feel like kind of talking about it. You're just kind of passing off a little bit and
um I just that's my sense of like trust with this. I don't know. Open it. >> I'm sorry. So, you feel you don't have trust? >> No, I don't really have some trust. I feel like I don't know. I feel like the sincerest uh apologies on it. I feel like the third party truckers aren't
aren't the reason for the traffic jams and can't blame one last year for you know the site wasn't looking good or the shots even do a little smaller. I just don't sincerely feel that's
yeah looking at the guys. >> Okay. Just so you know. >> Yeah. No, I understand. As we get closer to your property, your property is going to turn into the closest property that we're next to. At that point, the state is going to ask if
we can set up. >> We were already told about that and you already gave permission and they never came to do it. >> You haven't told you yet. Right now, >> we were told by the state marshal that came out that there was going to be no more blasting near our house. I was done
blasting near our house. been further away now. >> That was when he contacted me on Friday morning. >> So, who's right? >> Uh, no. Well, there was a blast just right. They know he had scheduled it. >> He told me the good news was they
weren't going to be blasting near our house anymore. They were moving further back. >> I'm sorry. He told us yesterday. I don't know why he said that. >> Do you have any more questions or comments? Excuse me.
Anyone else like to speak? Which one's first? The gentleman in the the red shirt, the black jacket. Jim meeting um first thing is this the size of this development the location
development we shouldn't be talking about traffic that should have been worked out from the very beginning we knew the tight roads we knew the curves you knew there was very minimal axis to get into this development so I don't know what bl I I think I may have been because that should have been the first thing it should be it's not's fault it's not A1's
fault it's you guys you should have known that's entire right development. It's going to have criteria. It's going to have profit into it. And this is what we're dealing with right now when they've already started the project. I mean, that should that shouldn't talk about. So, I think the blame's on you guys. And
I presume you guys leaving all the material on site. You're going to grind it, use everything on site, not all. >> Yes, sir. The site is balanced. >> So, you Okay. So, most of you use on site to build roads and everything. Okay. So we trucking stuff out to that
original. We're doing everything in our power to obviously the concerns here to make our full site and limit the amount of material gravel materials we have to bring to the site. There is there are
some components, curb, sand, uh pipe betting, things of that nature that we will have to import, but we are going to manufacture all of the gravels and build materials on site, which you know, I know all of these processes are are
difficult to digest, but the alternatives of trucking in hundreds and hundreds of loads of fill is far worse than than the alternative of making best use of it regarding the blast and the um the problem that
happened with the the blast that happened. I was at a job about 25 years ago. I seen what happened tonight. I can I know you can see what happened. So the map was covered. It was a little bit big of an explosion. They did and it happened. So um I talked to guys today. It happens one in a million times. It
doesn't happen all the time. So it's just happened. You know, you guys caught on to him. He's got a great procedure. I mean they were down the street. We do have a blasting but it's it's fine. But um I think the reason it might be the first thing is I think we knew about the location of the site and I think we should have knew the traffic is going to
be tucked in and out of here and I think it's actually been resolved that doesn't fall in the fields that doesn't fall on that should been resolved for you. So that's Patrick Hughes 27 Road. I assume you can all hear me voice.
Um anyways, um all these issues I looked at about extensively. I have a deep background in large construction sites, um, blasting, traffic issues, and all of that. And I presented detailed information
over many months submitted for the record to this planning board about all of these problems. And I'm liking what I'm hearing from the blasting company on how they're going to go forward with this. I'm not thrilled about it. I'm
liking what I'm hearing about traffic and big trucks. That doesn't end when they stop. We have concrete trucks. We have pumpers. We have lumber deliveries. We have hugger trucks delivering stuff. This traffic thing is going to go on for
several more years. What is going to be done to ensure that we don't continue to revisit these problems? You just heard it. I heard this. I didn't hear this was continuing on with everything else that was going on.
>> When you say this, you're talking traffic. >> Yes. >> And you you want that. Your question is what is going to be done about traffic? >> Is that the question? >> My question is what's going to be done after we're done with the blasting and site work, right? Where we're still going on with large trucks cuz I don't
hear any discussion that that's going to be monitored and dealt with. Awesome. Are you only head? Yeah, we're we're the site contract here. >> Concrete trucks. >> So that would fall to the fields. >> Fields, concrete trucks. So then all of
these protocols regarding roads and police details will be honored over the next several years. >> Yes. >> Yes. I'm not hearing that. >> Yeah. They would have to carry this over.
>> Okay. That's now a public record. >> Yeah. Thank you. Well, I think the decision as it relates to access to the site like construction vehicles carries through the life cycle of the permit. So, um, yes, once is gone, it's going to be up to whatever other contractors are
taking over the actual home building to adhere to these same rules. Unfortunately, we get to be the ones that to work the bugs out of it. But, um, I'm hopeful that by the time we get to that point that there's a well established, well assigned group that,
um, the fields can take over. Yes, I'm sure we'll be all monitoring very well. We're hearing 35 Highland Avenue still. Um, I had several different things that overlap a little bit with what people
were previously saying. So, um, couple questions for you first. You can't hear me in the back. >> No. >> Okay. I'll try harder. Thank you. I just want to keep it here. Um let's see. I
want to um uh say that I appreciate your apology. I think it was sincere and I think you want to do the right thing. Um I attended, as many of you know, a lot of the public hearings. Uh while we were proposing this, we had lots of concerns. We were told that this would not happen
because you didn't want to lose your license or the blasting person didn't, but it did happen. And now we're now under the understanding that it well it can happen. Um so let me ask a couple of clarifying questions first. Um you said you're going to reward your construction
signs. Can you sh tell us what exactly those construction signs are going to be? >> I can. Um specifically they read um no delivery trucks. Um and that's not verbatim but that's almost exactly what they say. no
deliveries or no delivery trucks with an Onyx logo underneath it. Um, again, we had to put some thought into those signs and make sure that we weren't going to be shutting the residents in the neighborhood down from having their landscapers come to their house or, you
know, Amazon trucks or anything like that. So, signage can be sometimes difficult because you don't want it to be over restricted. But um with adding the Onyx verbiage to it um people are going to have that's what they're going
to have on their delivery slips is that it's coming to Onyx. So we wanted the sign to match what's going to be on those delivery. >> So the current orange signs will be taken down and of where they're going to be replaced with these new signs. >> I don't know we're going to remove those. I think we're just going to have
so >> cuz one of the bottle of Washington the bottle of pilot in Washington. So that one has to go because that corner is not working >> right. So it's still that is still going to be the approved truck route for
smaller trucks, six wheelers, freight trucks, tractor trailers, and large oversized delivery deliveries are going to have to use that involvement group. And that one will be signed for deliveries, too. The only thing the only difference is that those big big
deliveries are going to now get an escort. Yeah. So when they get the escort the sign will you know the driver the escort vehicle will take them through that sign. >> And so the plan is that everything will be scheduled so that there won't be any duplication of people being at the same
these big trucks being at the same place at the same time thereby blocking the neighbors. >> Well exactly. So the staging area also gives us an ability to throttle how many trucks are in the site at a time. If the site is tied up and you know there's
three or four trucks in there already, we'll hold those people back in the staging area until such a time that we can accommodate them without cost of traffic. >> Okay, that sounds interesting. Um, is the pile of deep snow impacting your drivers and being in the corners? Yes,
>> I know it's a bad problem. I live on the corner of Highland and Winthra and the snow is piled way up over my head from clearing the roads. It adds a definite degree of difficulty even mounting these signs where you're trying to figure out,
you know, who draws the short straw, who gets the climb the snow bags and hang the sign. So, um, yeah, they definitely got debris. A lot of times we would just put um a sign stand out in the street, you know, just a metal sign stand with these snow bags. We don't have that
option. We got to get them up and off the road. Okay. So, they're not plowing. >> Um, Mike, do you anticipate there might be some problems if this snow continues that you have to cancel or postpone certain deliveries that you had planned? >> We work outside and we are always
cognizant of the weather and and try to make sure that we're not doing anything. You know, the town's trying to do snow removal exercises or something where we're bringing large pieces of equipment into the site. That's definitely something we take in mind. Um some of the deliveries that we do take um are
very long lead time items that come from reasonably far away. Um so you know if we order something that's come out of the middle of the country and it's coming by truck once that ship sails it's kind of it's on the road and we have to make accommodations to receive it. So we'll do the best we can
operationally to manage the volume of trucks on site and uh try to limit it so that it doesn't become an issue. By the way, folks in the back are able to hear you sound. Okay, I can hear you great because I'm facing you now. >> Thanks. Um, okay.
Um, you mentioned or somebody mentioned that you've been measuring ground vibration because you mentioned ground vibration and air vibration. Could you describe how that works? Is that your equipment doing those measurements? Is it state equipment? >> Yes. So, it is our equipment. Our
equipment is certified once a year. It has tests go up, they test it. Um after we blast, the fire department comes up, they check our read results. So there's no once it records an event, it's recorded. There's no erasing it. There's no no tweaking it around. There's none
of that. And again, I go back to we're not just monitored by local. We are also monitor by the federal government, too. So all our paperwork is reviewed, not just locally. not just locally but also state and federal. So we're going to enter into
three pretty big standard um governance on on this. So people say well it's your machine well again those calibration laws like you'll look at our machine and make sure it's been calibrated within year it's calibrated right
there test we can do we set things up. So I'm familiar with other scientific equipment but not this. So, you're saying it's probably calibrated and you're confident that it was measuring correctly. It's the same machine you were using throughout all the blasting. >> Uh, it could be the same machine. We
have we have probably 15 18 machines that we use to company. So, um, you know, depending on this day, he has a blaster. He carries his own equipment. So, he's responsible. So, it's not like three people are handling the machines. The blaster himself is responsible. was
part of the review of this this problem that happened for that 19th class to check that monitor to make sure it was calibrated correctly. >> Yes, they went through so they went back and looked at everything the same went through all our previous shots, all our records. Um they they started working
again on this job. >> Okay. And just exploring that 19th blast that caused the problem. Um, if we looked at the monitoring data and the number of mats and the depth and the amount of the explosion, all those
specific things, you indicated before that they were pretty similar. Yes. >> And this was just a fluke location that had a weird ge geological feature. >> We're we're dealing with that weathered crown that basically was like a peninsula that was taken up that was very weathered compared to the rest of
the rock that was there that was very solid. Again, this was one of the only health problems I could see. So, um, what we felt is that that weathered rock did stay in tight. So, when that's moved off backwards. >> Have you seen that kind of weathered
rock before? >> We have. We have. Yes, we have. >> It's never gone. >> No. >> And how many matte stitching? How many layers of matte stitching? >> Um, we have the 30 mats on site. >> How many were on the on top of the plaster? >> Last
30 m. You have to replace them every time, right? >> No, they're reusable. Can I just explain to people what the math is? >> Yeah. What it's made out of. Just so they're measured out by size. They're 10 10 ft wide, 20 ft long, 10 x 20. We got
12 by 24. Yes. So, we got some we got bigger mats out there. 10 12 x 24 that are heavier mats, too, that we use in certain areas as we're using glassing throughout the site. Um they're they're cabled through with rubber tires. They're old rubber tires that they cut
up. Um and they're uh they we cable through the tires so it keeps it all compact. So it's like a big thick thick heavy weight. Each mount weighs about 6,000 lb. So you throw 30 m. >> Okay. So you have heavy equipment that
has to move those machu. >> Okay. Okay. So, it sounds like you did the best you could um under the circumstance to set everything the way it had been going smoothly. This is the one that was closest to the house. >> Yes. >> And you have to keep going.
>> Well, okay. Um, so to share with everybody, um, I have a copy of the video that Janelle and Aaron, um, took and they, um, uh, let me have a copy of it so that I was able to slow it down
and take a frame by frame shot of it. And so I can see the blast. And it is just what Janelle said. It is not like a single rock. It is a huge blast. I if with their permission, I'd be happy to share it with many, many rocks coming out toward their house. Um, you didn't
see the picture of the damage that happened to their shed, but it's pretty um substantial. I think it's higher than 6 ft. So, I would suggest that you work with the utters to see if they want a fence that's higher than 6 ft to make sure they're they're well protected, if
that's the policy that, you know, the procedure you want to follow. So, um, I live, as I mentioned, on the opposite corner, and I happened to be home during that particular blast, and my windows were shaking. My house was, it was quite
loud, and I lived pretty far away, so something felt different. The other blast did not feel like that one. So, it maybe cuz it was closer, but it just didn't feel right. And then I just happened to see Janelle right after. Um, so it was scary. It was really
frightening. And right there I was right behind that. So I me and kind of for so um shouldn't happen again. Let's see. Think that might be
other people. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um waiting on mine. Yeah. My my last um point is is kind of what Patrick was alluding to, which is we had many many conversations over many hours about how careful everything was going
to go and how many samples you had taken. And we were led to feel confident that you knew the geology and the layers and you knew what you were in for that. This makes us feel like maybe you don't. I mean, you're just kind of explaining how steep everything was and you know
how it wasn't really what you expected. I don't know why >> it wasn't what we not what we expected. It just proven to be a difficult site to access with the equipment until we get established and get some grading done. Uh it's a challenging site from an
access perspective. I say that >> and we said over and over again this is a really hard site. Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. Can we clarify a couple things too? Lori brought up the seismograph readings. So, our fire detail that's here in we have a copy of
each blast and a copy of the reading. And I and just so you know, we take this serious. We I know one day, I don't know the day it was. I got a couple emails. I think Danny did as well. They felt the ground vibration was too much. It was still within the limits. We took that
reading. The fire prevention lieutenant uh emailed it to the state and they confirmed that it was well within the guidelines. So, so we do listen to you. I don't want you to think, oh, you know, because I think that particularly I said, well, there was a lot more emails and even phone calls generated. So, when something like that does happen, we do
listen to you. If I'm not copying on it, Danny might pass it along or, you know, if if we thought something was wrong, the details said, "No, the blast went well, but we still, you know, got that one particular one, I think we pushed that out by email, too, to the person who asked." So, we do listen to you, you know, something like that does come up
as well. Thanks, Mr. Chief. Yes, gentlemen. Any questions? Excuse the glasses. Excuse me. Uh the floor. The gentleman with the glasses has the floor. Yeah. Come on up.
Good evening. Kurt Kurt Frascowski, 39 Broad Harbor Road. Um one thing uh I have noticed is um and actually pulled it up on the town's website was a the blasting notices and I we received at
our house a flyer saying there was going to be three uh horns or something like that. Um now I realize that I'm down at 39 Park Road which is the bottom. Uh, so I'd never
heard any of those horns and uh, actually I did drive up to the site the first day and um, it was explained that those horns were to be are for the site. So people on the site and I would assume
in the media there would be a to hear. So that uh there would be there should be a horn c a series of horns going off before each blast to say to notify the workers on site um that a blast is going
off. And what I'm hearing um is that uh should the butters be able to hear that warning go off also in other words the horns going off. So, I'm just not sure of that, but I think that might be good.
>> Yeah. So, um I know this was actually something that was raised to me early on in um construction of the plastic occurring. Um I actually was on site with uh the chair and I took a video of it. So, if you are anywhere within the
vicinity of the site, you can hear it. It's a I and I understand some people if you live uh specifically like over here, you're not going to hear cuz it's on the other side of the building. These are for the immediate site and people within
the vicinity of the site >> cannot hear inside my house and I'm directly next to it. >> So I I have recordings I've shown I'm planning for hearings. You can see it. If you're outside, you can hear it very loudly. These are not for the residents
uh that are uh further out um around the site. It's for the actual site for people on site so they know that a blast is going to occur for safety reasons so that they can let people uh so they can let the people on site know when a blast
is going to occur and uh they have a series of them. Um can you clarify on the 5 minutes for free? So if you could get out and just turn on the exact siren sequence. The siren sequence is at the 5m minute warning we give three long
horns which uh you will verify videos will verify we do. At the 1 minute mark there's two shorter horns and then when it's all clear we usually have a guy down at Harvard run and he tells me you can barely hear the horns but he's all the way down the east. Um
but at that you know we are letting everyone in the immediate area know and um after the 1 minute we shoot the detonate the shot we go check the shot out we blow one all clear saying it's all over. So just just one followup
question. So with uh 29 high street being obviously we know now from experience within the zone are is 29 high street able to hear that warning shot. >> I cannot hear it in my house. I happen
to be outside at the time of the blast and heard it and ran in because of the dogs and so I heard the blast from outside in my front yard but I cannot hear it when I'm in the house and I would like to hear it from inside my house so I can take cover. Would that would that be something that might be
considered is considering that they're right there? Um someone on site could give them an extra heads up right now. I'm giving two buildings a heads up right before shots. I got my contact with a guy in there.
>> Okay. And there's one other lady at the bot. I do it for everybody. Well, it's a courtesy what I'm doing now, but if she would like one, I can give her I'll put a roof tax free. >> Okay. Because this is where we're going to put the
fence up. So, obviously, but that would be that I think that would be if you come down, I can put that on. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, >> Jas. I just want to follow up all this. Is
there any chance to get a louder? >> I mean, you know, it's like I can hear the trains. Perfect. Okay. So, with that and that's right. >> Oh, taps at Dennis. All right. So, we can hear that. So, is there a way just to get a louder word?
>> What we're probably going to do is we're going to set up a um a call list in here. Um, what we'll probably end up going to end up doing is we're going to set up a call list and you can leave your email address, a name, a phone number, and we will call you within 24 hours of the blast and give you an
estimated 93 if you can use that same glass of whistle. >> Yeah, it's an airport. >> No, it's not. >> No. What we can do is take a second down simultaneously
on both that might help and but also too I think the um you know the text change um because again I know that there's one going to be happening >> but it sounds like there are >> yeah you do it the day before but if you can do it
>> I mean it's It's it it's just a because >> they I I will say when they're prepping for a blast and actually have charges in a whole another step in that procedure is I can see being distracted by having
to send a text message there and potentially missing a step in his procedure. We don't want that. I would much rather he concentrate on what he's got in his hands and we certainly would be willing to work with Danny the planning board if there's anything additional we can do to uh give better
warning to the immediate about an additional flower you know it's kind of a double some people thank you >> yes lord uh if and I'm sure this is not going to
happen again, but if we do have another incident, which I don't think is quite the best word to use, um who pays for damages? >> So that would be on the insurance
company of the subcontract. So, >> so that's some somewhat in this first row. >> Yeah. So, so we're fully insured. >> Okay. >> In the insurance company. >> Okay. We have to carry a certain amount of insurance to be able to get a federal license.
>> Okay. Great. And um I don't want to belabor this black this airborne. It's not called an airborne. The this the siren the warning siren. But if do you have some kind of time frame during the
day? I know I get the I get the texts and it says there's going to be a blast between 9 and 3. So I I assume and maybe I shouldn't that you're you're there and you're thinking you're looking at you're watching and all the thousands of things
you have to do to prepare for the class. Do you do you have in your head that it's going to be at 10:30 >> or at some time? I'm getting a text but Yes. Um,
>> I'm just wondering if since you you have some kind of time frame that you work on, and I understand you don't want to add another piece of work to do 5 minutes before the blast, but if you know that the blast is going to take place at 10:30,
can can you set up a a text at 9:00 a.m. to go out at 10:25 or something like that? I'm just throwing that out there. I I know the technology is there to do something like that. I totally understand that you have a lot of other things that are very critical
to making this this a successful site. I could not person having the blaster on the site. part of his responsibility is is really making sure he's concentrating on
the sites. Uh making sure everything's safe on the site. So um I when they're getting texts, you're getting texts that I believe they work, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. So what we can do is I can talk to my office and they can give you an hour
heads up. Um there's so many things again my blasters focus on. There's, you know, you got elements of the weather, you know, you got, you got people on the construction job. Um, you got explosives there that we have to keep people away from. There's so many things that my blasters tied up in. So, um, I would
definitely, uh, put on the list that we can start taxing an hour before the blast. Can I just ask the chief um, the detail, the fire detail that you have on site, does he have a fire department vehicle with a siren or a horn? >> Uh, yeah. So we try to have a firearm
vehicle. Sometimes if it gets skinny, they might have their own personal vehicle. We try to have a story. >> Yeah. There is in that one, but like I said, that's not always the case. >> Yeah. So So they've been driving which is acceptable on our end as well.
>> What about children and pets on site when they're blasting? >> I don't know what you said. I show children and pets being present on site when they're blasting >> on the actual site. >> That's up to the That's up to the blaster. >> All right. Also the blaster.
>> Did you have another question? >> Yeah. Um there I there were a couple people that spoke out of turn, but I I just would encourage them to come up and >> Yes, I'll take care of >> stay there in the spiel. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> The next person, the gentleman, the black you. >> Yep. You're next.
All right. How you doing? Anthony 35 Harvard Road. We're right across from the um the new uh big vehicle thing. Um, unfortunately the the issue I have is uh when we we purchased
this uh this uh three years ago and uh a lot of people like to drive on the front of our uh our lawn or whatever. So, I put some rocks on there. And for this this last big uh behemoth that came off
uh came uh I I know it's we uh five five but still my wife doesn't uh it's still grass and still on the front and if we have big trout uh cuz big uh tracks on it and mud and all that stuff instead of
grass it doesn't really bode well with uh the um the kumbaya and the family. So, um I I think he did say he willing to fix. >> Yes, >> because uh yeah, I mean there was just
snow and all that stuff. Probably some of the rocks went down. I know that we uh it hit a big branch and that came down. So, we just want you know if once you go if you can keep it from uh destroying our grass would be great. I'd
be happy to give you a car. Oh, no. You can call and we'd be happy. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's we're new into this and all that stuff. We just want to make sure that our grass grows your property any different than it was. And,
you know, it's difficult to do it. Obviously, this time right here, it was the spring. we take care of the same day, but you know when um no problem or some rocks or whatever you had there. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Yes, sir. Just a clarifying question. Um my name is Brian O'Neal. I'm at 47 Highland Avenue. And to this issue about the right of way, I don't know if it's actually correct that although it might be town owned land that you can drive on. So could you clarify if if the town
owns but it's lawn, it doesn't seem you should be driving is the point. Yeah. So to clarify what I mean by that is I do understand that they're still driving on there and they would be responsible for for um uh replacing that one. Uh um most
people uh understand their want their property to go to right to the edge of the road which uh to to the edge of the pavement uh or the curving but under uh it's under the law and under u property
ownership it actually goes to the edge of the town's right way. But that's just kind of more I was just trying to clarify the differences. they would still be responsible for uh for putting that back to normal. Let's turn the cast on. Oh, wait. This I see there's a gentleman that break
first. He wanted to talk earlier and then he'll come back. Yeah. Uh 60. Um uh I just want to know you know if we could have a like you mentioned that it's some test done about the vibration
because we are having huge kind of a chase half of threetory uh places and we are seeing now some cracks on the drywall nothing but huge but uh with you guys
mentioned there going to be 27 more base on that you know uh probably you guys already talked about this in the previous meetings but I don't have that information how we will uh manage that kind of gains and uh if we don't have
access to the vibration system um so so the procedure on this if you believe there's damage getting done to your home you have to go to the fire department and fill out what they call a damage complaint form and that will get submitted to the state then the state will submit that back to our insurance
company and our insurance company will get in contact. Um, again, if I get a press on that, you know, um, a blast is like dropping a rock in a a pond. Where's the biggest flash? It's right where the rock hits and it gets slower and the waves get different on the way
out. >> That's why they say everyone within 250 ft has to get a pre-blast survey done because if there's going to be damage on the site, it's going to happen to the closest vendors. Um, so but I can't sit here and and tell you
you're not getting I'm not going to pay myself in that situation. There's procedures for that that affect us and you. Um, so if you truly believe there's damage getting done, it's a form you have to fill out and it goes to the state
fire. You have a pre >> so same thing same even if you had that's why I'm addressing everybody on this >> where's the problem is this one right here >> the new condos >> it's the condos yeah okay yeah that one it was on your list
>> especially the floor >> checks yeah >> we have the first one partially on the ground and uh Um, sorry. This is where people most in the far back. It's Rachel. I didn't
recognize this. >> Hello. Uh, Rachel Oer 3 Road. Um I just had a question with regard to the new drilling patterns that you all are going to um integrate. Are there additional um are there different types of challenges
that we might face with regard to I guess the different rock types and that type of drilling? Uh will that affect the land and the surrounding fan uh land in a different way that we typically haven't experienced or um um the
vibrations might last a little vibrations might last a little bit longer because we're not going as deep. We're taking longer shots. You might feel a little bit different. You might feel a little bit longer, but the percussion of the wave is not going to change.
>> So we designed our shots again to that closest house. So, as we get closer to that house, we have to reuse something. The shot movement, might have to reuse the pattern. We might have to reduce the shot size. We might have to reuse. It all depends on where we're working and how close we are.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Um, and I I apologize if Julia has already mentioned this, but uh, just with everything that's occurred, when the blasting does move closer um, you know, in that channel potentially, um, what
provisions um, are there provisions that you have in mind with regard to protection or, you know, are will there be different things? Um, like I'm >> assuming you need sir. >> Okay. Yeah. So, um, the blasting
protocols that we've used up to date, as Tim explained, are up to code and we've revised these blasting plans and the protocols for protecting the shots to beyond what's
required by quite a bit to mitigate any risk that we can possibly physically mitigate. So I think by reducing and changing the shape and the size of the glass and then ensuring that there's a minimum of a 3ft overlap from one mat
onto the other instead of masks getting buds tight to each other if that makes sense. It's almost like weaving a quilt rather than just laying them all out flat. By by doing that, we're really increasing the chances that the
energy from that shot is going to stay in the ground and not leave the uh the blast area. >> Okay. Wonderful. >> And kind of back to Tim's point, just the way these blast is not like you just light a fuse and all of the explosives
go off at the exact same time. There's microscond delays, right? So when he hits the button, the first shot, second shot, micro seconds apart, but that that shot is designed to dissipate the energy towards the relief created by the
previous blast. >> Does that make sense? >> It does. >> So when you blast one spot, you create an area of relief for the next blast to move into when it changes shape and moves. So that blast is the energy from that blast and the delay in the
individual caps is what pushes that rock in the direction that they intend to push. >> Interesting. Thank you. Um I just had a quick question. I know you all um have only been up to the site just uh minimally. Uh just with all the
snow that's accured, I was just wondering are there any like giant piles of snow that might potentially melt? you know, if you have like a big day or it's like pretty warm out, it's just I just mentioned it just because there's a lot of things up in the air. Um, with regard
to this and so I just didn't know if any modifications needed to be made or if there's anything like that that need to be tended to. So I I think you get to to an erosion control question >> I suppose >> as far as you know as the snow melts are
we prepared to deal with the influx of melt water off of the site and the answer is yes. Um we've actually one of the first things we've built on the site is a temporary sediment basin and we've created
grading to force all that water into that temporary sediment basin. And then on top of that, we've got erosion controls. Um, straw w installed. That straw w is inspected with a schooling
water report that's done every 2 weeks and submitted to the um to the board of health and I'm sorry to conservation commission in town. Um, so when we installed that originally, conservation commission comes out, inspects the erosion controls, make sure they were installed properly, and then it's our
duty to inspect that each week, take pictures, and make repairs to any any areas that might need. Also, we identify an area where we've changed the grading and there could potentially be an influx of storm water that can exit an area.
We'll take further steps to to repair that area whether it be with, you know, crushed stone that keeps the erosion from happening, filtering the water and all that. So, great great deal where goes into control. Thank you. And so even with all of the subsequent snow,
you're still able to see the the all of the items to be checked. >> To answer your question, the snow does make it difficult to do inspections, but it also um acts as a buffer to what's already there. So, um when the snow is there, right, we're right up against
that fence and there's really no opportunity for it to get damaged. Um if we're working, you know, in the spring and the guys are working right along a limited uh clearing or erosion control limit and you know an excavator drives over the water, that's
something we repair immediately there. So >> okay, >> the swim inspections are ongoing despite the weather. We go out there and we used to walk the S fence line, make sure that there's no holes. I appreciate that. No problem. And just in terms of um those reports are sent to myself to
Heather and uh as well as to Matt and those uh reports are Heather. Um and those reports have to be on site as well as well as in the in case the um the state wants to look at them as well.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much. >> Oh, wonderful. Thank you. Um, and then I had a question about the blast records. Um, I touched upon it with Danny at one point in time. Um, and so I just didn't know what the process was. Are they available online um, with the fire
department or do we need to call and request them or I was wondering if you might or >> Yeah, we have a public record of it. So if you want a copy of it, you can come down and we can copy it or email it to you, whichever. Yeah, >> just in case.
>> Yeah, we get them daily because you know the fire detail brings them back. >> Okay. Thank you. Um well, thank you so much. I appreciate your time. >> Mr. Chairman, members of the planning board and everybody. Um thank you Robert
the air town manager. If I may, Mr. chair just first offer sincere apologies on the acoustics and the audiovisisual. The good news is thank you thank thanks to the voters the funding has been approved to make this space uh more
viable for meeting. So I it is coming. It should have long time coming but I do apologize but do appreciate everybody's uh patience tonight. I don't want to belabor a lot of the things that have been said um because I know it's late,
but as the town manager, I want to stress that the most important thing we do as a town is safety. That's the most important thing. Now, in life, unfortunately, I wish there could be 100% guarantee that there would never be
a traffic accident, there would never be a fire, there would never be a flood. uh we all want that and and we strive to keep people safe. So in this instance once it happened we do take it very
serious and things went into motion and I do appreciate the fields and I do appreciate Onyx and A1 blasting the minute this incident happened um the state responded as did the town. I
appreciate them putting together um a plan. I appreciate them being here as we required that uh through the planning board. We're not going to relitigate the project as the chair said, but your elected planning board did its job
through. We can disagree on that, but is gone through site plan review. The assurance that I want to give you is that moving forward, we take the seriousness of safety 100%. And we have to be very thankful
that last Thursday nobody was hurt, nobody was killed. And I stress this um to the fields and to Onyx and to A1. I want you to know that the select board is well aware of this project. Uh they're represented here tonight by the
chairman, Select Livingston. They have concerns on this on the safety. I do too. To conclude, I think the key thing is the the silver lining. We always have to look for a silver lining is this community involvement in the community
concerns. And all of your people are here that are concerned for your safety. I just want to point out you've heard from both of the chiefs. Deputy fire chief Jenna Skevich is in the back. The DPW director Dan Van Shawick and the town engineer Matt Hearnen. The building
commissioner Mike Wallace uh is here. The assistant town manager Carly Anteneellis. There are representatives here from the select board conservation and zoning board of appeals. Now, if we had a time machine, perhaps we do some things different. and perhaps we could
do something maybe we couldn't on Thursday. Thursday happened. But moving forward, I think the most important thing is that we continue to work together on this to make sure everybody's safe. If you are not getting information or
you have questions that are not being answered, that doesn't mean we might agree or disagree on the answer, but if the town is not being responsive, you need to let me know. I mean, Danny new full-time job is this every day. He's
the, you know, the town's point person on it, as is everybody else. So, communication is key. We want you to have the information. We do hear your concerns. Who wouldn't be terrified if that happened? I think anybody would
agree that. And I think all of us, if you ask any of us, nobody wants a construction site in their backyard. So I just want to again stress that safety is the most important. I believe that all parties are committed with this
plan to move forward to maximize that this doesn't happen again and this will continue through all phases of the project that was brought up as far as safety as the project uh changes as we
move forward. Um, we are committed uh to that and will continue to be. So, I really appreciate everybody's time. I don't want to belabor. I know other folks want to weigh in, but if you're not getting information, if you're not being responded to first office on the
right, we let Charlie or I know, um, the select board is fully aware, the planning board, and we will continue uh to work with all parties as we move forward. And again, you are heard. I
understand the anxiety, understand the frustration, and we want to make sure that we keep everybody safe to the best of our ability as we move forward. So, I appreciate your participation tonight. This is not necessarily a oneanddone
thing. Uh we will continue uh to work with everybody as we move through this process. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the time. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the hall would like to speak? >> I'm sorry. I see a hand. Yes. Come on
up, please. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Um, I'm Andrew Fontine. We live at 31 William Street. We're at the bottom of the hill. Can you speak up? >> Yeah, I'll speak up. Um, so just a question on the map. Can you show the
radius from a blast site where 2 50 that I did. I don't know. I have it on. >> So, we're at the bottom of the hill on the other side where most of the people here are. And I have to say I'm really surprised at the amount of shaking that
goes on at our house after the class. And I think that's the concern for most of us. um this app. It's almost like an after effect of the blast. >> It's just All right. So, this is So, um, you're saying your property is
right over here. >> Is that the last on street? >> Yeah, we're the last house on William Street. So, it's a dead end that comes down the hill and we're at the very bottom of it. >> Right down here? >> Yes. >> Yes.
Okay. So that's right down uh this way. >> Yeah. So I'm surprised we're outside of this zone because I feel like we're closer than this. So the point that you had made about giving us the option to have this because I can tell you we spent a lot of money putting a pool in
that has a glass fence and I can feel my whole house shaking. But I'm wondering what's going to happen after this. >> Yeah. And that's my only I would like to know like how really close I am cuz I don't believe this circle is
>> so based on the drawings. So based on the actual object that these are 250 from the center of the uh blast area. >> So that was my question. So that's the center of the blast is 250 ft out. So as they blast further out
this ripple effect gets further out. Is that right? >> No. So that takes into account all of the glass area. So these big 250 ft radiuses are for the center glass like this area and this area this area and all these areas. So the two these are
the widest points of the 250. >> Okay. >> So if for some reason ledge goes further than >> ledge does go further because this this interesting thing that you talked about our whole hill is ledge. Um, so it's really interesting that you're talking
about just the top because the whole hill is a solid sheet edge. >> So if we move in that direction and we decide that these centric rings no longer meet what we originally proposed then
and this happened just in the east where we had to say all right we are not approved to blast into that ement. we have to now back up reervey what we have to if we have to add uh offer additional pre-blast surveys and go back to the
town and um basically put in a request to change the blast area. If we do get within 250 ft of your house and before we even get there after what happened, like Tim and I said earlier, we'll get
together and we'll decide if we can do something a little bit more robust. >> Yeah. to have my own survey because >> you certainly can, but before we get to that point, >> give me till Tuesday, Monday being the holiday and um I'll get in touch with Danny and let him know, you know, if if
Jim and I were in that we're able to offer some more surveys, we'll do that >> because I agree that with what he's saying over here at the bottom of the hill, we're really feeling it. >> Yeah. >> So, I work from home a couple days a week and my whole house is shaking. So,
I mean, it like shocks you how shaking it is. >> Like you come around the corner and somebody startles you, surprise. So, I want to know like that as this gets further in, you're going how far down? 16 ft.
>> I'm not in the area where you are. >> I know you're right, but as you're blasting down 16 ft, those ripple effects, we're really going to start feeling them. I I for so I can break.
>> Yeah, I will. I love it. Come over. >> Okay, that was it. Thank you. And thank you for the emails. I really appreciate it. >> 31 millions. He's been great about sending emails. So,
>> thank you for hearing me. Sorry. Hi, Mike, building commissioner. I just wanted to address um 60 central houses and the woman who just spoke. Uh there's any structural issues or anything like that, just call me immediately um or
directly and I'll come out immediately and we'll check it out. Um I mean, aside from drywall cracks and stuff like that, if there's anything serious, just give me a call and I'll come out right then and there. Um, anything dangerous? Anything that you mentioned tempered glass around the
pool? >> Yeah. >> Um, on our case, I don't know if you start to >> Yeah. We are don't be afraid to reach out if there's
any fall back. Again, if you're feeling that you're having, please go. There are procedures. Um, you know, I can't have someone a mile from here, call the fire department and say they just knocked them all down. You
know, if we start doing all that, we will prepare doors box. So that there are procedures that do, you know, protect yourselves because there are procedures we have to do as we get closer that protects you, but there's also procedures that pro protect the community, too. So, um, if you feel
there's truly damage going on, file, fill out damage complaint form, it's funding records. Thank you. Yes, sir. 11 58 central reinforce that this is really shaking all the houses around here. I know you
say you're within the limits, but we're shaking houses right next to Caesar who's had the damage and I'm seeing it. Our dogs run line is sagging. So the trees are actually moving around the hills.
So not measurable, but this definitely is cause damage around here. And of projects around us, 48 central, 60 central, and this one, I know two of them have rock now. Do you guys have 48
central? So it just something happened last. I know it's not you, but it's just want to put it on the record that it's happening. And the you're definitely shifting terrain. Thank you.
>> Yes. Uh I believe Catherine. Yes. Catherine. Um you can unmute yourself. >> Yeah. Hi everyone. I apologize if I say something um or ask a question that was
answered. It is just a little bit difficult to be audio over uh Zoom. It's a little bit dark. So, I am at my name. Um kind of as a as a blanket thing, I
found out I had tenants in my home and they told me that they do not hear the warning of horns. Um, and so I know that there was some sort of discussion about that and I would just
like to second if there is some way that those can be further, you know, spread out or something. I think in the planning board meetings initially when this was discussed I don't I certainly didn't understand that those cords were
specifically designed or meant for only people on site or predominantly people on site. My understanding was that it was meant to kind of notify the we always kind of talked about a butters but we notify you know a butters and
people close by not just on site. So I said if there's any sort of way that there could be an additional horn or or the direction of the horns or something like those just go a little more into this. Um I also
was surprised when we were starting to get the text notifications about the blasting and that the time period was um like 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. would be the blast. I think maybe the first humanization we got was relatively close in time. It was a smaller time period
and then after that it seemed to be the whole day. But again, I don't feel that that was the intention of or what we expected would be what that type of notification would be. I was expecting
that it would be within a couple of hours. You know, like a notification would go out at 9:00 a.m. for class that would be happening at 11. So if there's any way that that can be expanded upon some conversation about that um as well.
And so in connection with the you know blast notification and the warnings that you know my tennis can't hear, is it safe for them to be out in their backyard during the time period of
the blasting? >> Question. Yes. Yes. Um, yes. Yes. It is safe for you to be outside in the yard blasting. If we're blasting that close to your house where where we feel a concern that you know just out of a safety issue. Um, if we're really close,
we might ask you to stay in your house during the class. We generally don't because again, if we're blasting that close to your house, we've designed the shots to be a lot a lot smaller. You know, the the closer we get to the homes, the smaller glass our design. And
that's always been practice even before the intent. Um what we did 300 ft from your house, we're not going to do the same thing when we're 200 ft. We're not going to do the same thing when we're 100 ft. Um that's all the design.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. If we get within the 250 ft radius, then um we will definitely be reimbursing for your request survey, but we're still going to have to do our own. >> I'm not sure I understand my home. My
property is in the like bottom right corner, I guess, of the map in this case look at it based on based on that it's not 250 in my view of it. it was like just outside maybe at 300 or 350 ft. So
I just thought it was interesting to get it. I'm saying is that if if like the if the zone that y'all are getting um pre-lass surveys or I guess now maybe the last survey is done um is expanded
because either the for whatever reason because the plan board decides that's something that needs to be done because A1 decides that they're going to offer that or because the plan for lasting changes such that the uh my property or the property I guess are included with
it. I already have them done. So, I don't know if the guy needs to come out and do another one, but I would like to be able to reimburse if it would otherwise have been a free thing. It was like order. I mean, it wasn't nothing um
to get done. >> Yeah. Yes. Just for clarification, >> I'm not asking you like just clarification. Uh, Katherine, sorry. One of the board members was talking. So, um, he's asking
a clarifying question. One second. Sorry. >> Haven't you in fact started blasting at the lowest section towards the Broad Island Road and you're moving up the hill? >> Up the hill. But we've broken the project up into parts. So, we're still working down at the bottom of the hill.
Again, we're working up the coffee. >> Yeah. So, work done. Yeah, the easement. I know. Yeah, that but we're still working on the lower section of the hill. We kind of broke it up because we can't do one big class a day. We're doing multiple small classes. So, basically working in several areas of
the site, Catherine. Catherine, uh, to answer your question a little more directly, if you do fall within the zone where you would be offer would be offered a free pre-blast survey, we will certainly uh,
reimburse you for what you spent on your own pre-blast survey. Just bear in mind we're going to have to do another pre-blast because you know that those pre-blast surveys go through A1's insurance provider and they want their
own surveyor to do the to do the surveys if that makes sense. >> It does. Just for clarification, I did use the surveyor. >> Yeah, >> I think I emailed you on this one. >> Probably. Yeah. Yeah, it was right after that last week. It was sometime in
December. >> Yeah. And your survey you had done should be acceptable to anyone to work. So, thank you for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um I want to just be clear when y'all are talking about the easement that you're adding plastic in.
We're not talking about the one it's okay. It's not that old. >> Yeah. No, this is >> driveway right that >> Yeah. That's that's the right of way that serves uh your house and the household. that no that's not that's not
>> I was going to say I was like that is a very narrow space I do not know that that um okay we just look at my I guess like you know as a general comment I'm going to
second some of your frustrations that it does feel like some of the things that are being brought up aren't things that I feel like were very easily anticipated. Um, and it's a little bit frustrating to not this is not the
rock flying stuff. I understand that with the traffic and and not having the space to get vehicles and stuff, it does feel like that is something that was anticipated, could have been anticipated and was brought up and discussed and so it is somewhat frustrating to be
addressed here in hindsight. I do appreciate that there are changes going into effect in the plan and that reactions are being, you know, done and whatnot, but I just wanted to second and voice that bit of frustration with the
planning and the project and the progress of it thus far. >> Yeah. And I think Oh, and I do I don't know if y'all know this um and maybe you don't breathe. I recall reading somewhere that there was a time limit within which we needed to report if
there was any sort of damage in relation to the blast. And so does anybody know if they >> Yes, I do. It's uh 30 days. So you have 30 days to file a complaint >> after the blast. >> Okay. And that's from like the
presumably the the most recent blast. Is that where the like where does that 30-day time period start? um from whatever you if you think the blast happened on the the last class, it's when you think the damage happened. If you think it happened on the last
class, you have 30 days to to get that in. Um >> Okay. >> Okay. So, if there's just Okay. Okay. That questions and those are my comments. Thank you. I appreciate your time. >> Thank you, D. Is there anyone else on
Zoom? I do not see anyone else on Zoom. >> I'm sorry. It's Paul and I'm trying to figure out how to raise my >> Oh, that's that's okay. It's okay. >> I'm using my phone because I'm not home. So, that's why you don't see my name up there. >> Okay.
>> Um, okay. So, you all can hear me, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. I I I missed the first half of the meeting, threequarters of it at least. Um but the tail end you've heard from at
least three uh residents of central app. I am not res but Cambridge Street and I'd like to ask two questions regarding the maps that we're looking at. The first one is up that red circle one about the um perimeters for blasting. I
understand its purpose. Um, it's hard to see on an 11 in phone or iPhone 11, but as I enlarge it, the lower left hand corner is the top of Cambridge Street. Thank you. Your arrow
is right where I want it to be. What is the approximate number of the house where the edge of that red circle would be? >> Is it 55, 57 maybe? Let me see. Um, here's Cambridge Street,
>> right? >> Uh, I don't know the address of that one. I know there is a house right here. I don't know the address of that. >> Okay. I'm pretty sure I do. He unfortunately cannot get in tonight either. Um, but I've let him know. My
question regarding those red circle maps, if you'll stay on that, go back to the go back to the street of Cambridge. And Danny, if you're are you what manipulating the browser? >> Yes, I am. >> Okay. Take take a little strip a trip
down to the left hand side to where club is listed and there's Adams Street and where Adams Street intersects with Cambridge. As everybody in the town building department knows, we had all that construction there this summer.
That's my house. So, I am within a few hundred ft of the red circle edge. My house is built on the ledge. It's been there 40 years. I will admit there
are cracks in the tile floors and so on and so forth. So, I've really not pursued this from a damage perspective more than for the uh implication of it all. I swear I go to work every morning. I work at Central A. So, Danny, we can
show where that is where the little blue circle is where we're passionate. I work right at the intersection of Adams and Central Lab at at the TAG HBAC company. We feel those blasts. We the the three
the other two ladies and I, we literally are not in our seats when they go off in the morning. We never know when they're going to happen. They usually are 10 or 11 in the morning. We don't hear the ask to move on so much. But here's my fear, and it's it sounds a little ridiculous,
but I expect one day to walk out the building at 4:30 to go home and see my house imploded on itself in a hole that was actually made when I was built because it sits on an ivy that sits on the ledge.
I just want to share that with you because we're not supposed to be feeling these blasts all the way down town. They are being felt on East Main Street from people I know as well. But
we we went through the blasting for 16th cent and never felt anything like this. Not a bit. We heard them. We were sworn that would happen. But we weren't throwing, not literally throwing, but we weren't
jumping out of our seats because of the percussion. You all might remember there was an earthquake that came through air four or five months ago. This is worse. And I I just you need to know this. You need to hear this from us
as much as we've tried. So I thought I would bring that up at this this particular meeting. 20 central app should not be rattled by percussion on 38 drive car in my humble opinion. So, I hope that at
least Danny and everyone else above takes note of that because I'll be on the phone with you in 30 seconds if my house is tamed in on itself when I open one day. Let's hope it doesn't happen. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Is there anyone else online?
Um uh you can speak if you can't figure out the um the raise hand function. Captain is lovely. I don't see anybody else. Um, did you want to wrap up comments you
want to make or um I would just say if there's anything that uh you feel um during construction there's any issues, any complaints, please reach out to me and I can um get those uh where they
need to go to whoever they need to go. Um if there's an immediate issue, you can always call me. I I will usually be on right on site really quickly. Um, you know, I'm in town hall, so I'm pretty easily um I can easily get there very
very quickly. Um, and uh I would say um yeah, if you as Robert did say um if you feel there is uh no you're not getting any any answers back um it's not purposeful. I'm usually trying to be
very quick with my responses for everybody, but I do get a lot of uh emails, uh, phone calls, and it's I I understand this is, uh, the important project to you, but I have other projects as well that I am handling as
well. So, I just want to make sure that you understand I'm not ignoring you. I just there's a lot of other things that I also have to deal with, but I try to get to your your questions and um make sure that I get them. Thank you. Well, I want to thank everyone who came here tonight uh applicants, citizens,
abunders, vendors, etc. I think everyone's been very forthright with their concerns and with their answers. Thank you. I'll take a motion to adjurnn. So, good night everyone. Thank you.