So today is Thursday, May 14th, 2026, and this is a meeting of the senior center building committee. This m meeting will be held in person at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an option for remote
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would call us to order at 4:34 p.m. >> Uh yeah, there should be one in the desk in there. All right. Sorry, I feel like I'm very far away from you guys tonight. >> You want You want us to move that way? >> You're good.
>> You're good. Thank you, Dennis. Um All right. So, uh can I get a motion to either approve or amend the agenda? Any revisions? >> Secretary. Um, uh, Madam Chair, could I ask that we
defer approval of the minutes? I know that, um, people were given draft copies of the minutes, uh, via email and I know that you have some extensive edits. Um, so if someone would, so if we could
defer, I have not incorporated your edits into the >> Okay. So, um, if you could defer approve the minutes and I would ask any of the other committee members if they have any edits for 42 and 416 >> that they could let me know. >> Yeah.
>> Right. Wonderful. So, we will remove that from the agenda. All right. Any other edits? >> Yeah, just a comment. the edits that you did were so extensive that we couldn't approve them as a as
amended tonight. >> Well, so the edits that I provided were that the the tone of those particular two sets didn't match the tone of the rest of our minutes. And so there was a lot of a lot more like colloquialisms in
them that I didn't that I personally didn't feel like were representative of of the meeting or the way we've been doing minutes. So um about it. >> I don't know. Maybe it was over the top. I just I there were some things that were like, you know,
>> conversational >> more conversational um and you know, things that were in quotes that were statements that were made that I didn't really think were factual to the meeting. They were more offhand comments. And so anyway, um
>> Okay. All right. Well, I'll make a motion that we approve the agenda as amended, deleting the approval of the manage support to enforce it. >> Second. >> All right. Um, we have a split
membership. So, um, Ken, >> hi. >> Dennis, >> hi. >> Dave, >> hi. >> Bonnie, >> hi. >> Ellen, >> hi. >> Dave, Dan, sorry. >> Hi. >> The chair says I. Okay, great. Wonderful. Okay, so that will move us
right on into the um the water Comcast and environmental permitting update. Thank you, Dan, so much for uh putting together this memo. Um it was sent out via email and then also uh the committee
members have a copy of it here at the table. So Dan, did you wanna >> Yeah, am I unmuted? Yeah, I'm unmuted. Yeah. Um yeah, thanks. Yeah, I just wanted to kind of put put it on papers and kind of give an image to show where
we are at with the uh the water man project. So just in brief um in the memo I I started off with the water main Comcast construction project. So that began on April 23rd the actual physical work on the site. They were mobilizing
before that. Um and so at this point they've installed about 1100 feet or so of water mane and Comcast conduit. They've made it all the way from the proposed site to the the existing what we call the gate the gate to close
McFersonson Road. And so either tomorrow or Monday they'll be past that gate and working their way towards the railroad tracks. Um, so the next, I guess, big challenge on the project will be the railroad tracks and and getting the
directional drill under those. And so we're coordinating with the railroad, but also National Grid has their construction upgrades going on on their B on the property of the corner of Bishop and Park, which extends all the way down to the railroad track. So we're coordinating with them. They have some
stuff that's a little in our way. Um, so that'll be the next big challenge. and then we'll continue with the main all the way down the street to um to Park Street. So um >> the first sentence of the second paragraph there
did did you mean to say the project has commenced east on Bishop Road >> started west? >> So it's commencing east moving east. >> Okay. Well, I think he meant to say started on the west but yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, right. The project started on the west and commenced east is what I meant to say. >> Correct. >> Yep. Um, yeah. So, that's where they're at. Making very good progress and uh and
and we're keeping on on um on schedule with that. So, um >> quick question, Dan, if it's okay. So, you say the contractor installed an 8 inch water stub, but it he came off the 8 inch line with a 6 in stub, right?
>> No, he he ended up we ended up coming off with an eight. We did 8 by8 stub. So, we could have it reduced down. I mean, it'll be up to the site contractor what we want to do from there. >> Reduce down to a six or for the site or or if we need to keep it at an eight. I
guess it's up to the uh to devel and and as that gets worked out what we need to do for the the site. >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it shows a a six coming in and then it's reduced to a fourth for the sprinkler and two and a
half I think. >> That's what it's shown as now on the civil site plans. You're right. shown as a six coming in and and I know Develis's comments we're going to talk about later, but um about just having a single water mane to the site >> was kind of one of the things we're
working on hashing out which which I think is that's what I'm you know being a town site it's not as much of an issue for us to to do that. >> Yeah, it's not a big deal for the center either because all they're going to do is if they want to put a reducer on it we're calling for 6 in up to the
building splitting to two and a half. Yeah. >> Or I it's it's just a reducer deal. >> We don't need anything bigger than that. >> Yeah. Great. Thank you. >> Yep. So that's the water main Comcast
portion. Um the other items environmental permitting. So endangered species, that's the natural heritage permit. Um, so that was submitted April 17th and we have heard back from them requesting some additional information
um, some more photos of an area um, just to get an idea on on the conditions out there. So, we're we've responded to Natural Heritage and we're working with them. They technically would have 90 days to to provide a response um, you
know, whether it's a taking or not. Um but that because we've worked with them um prior to the submission of the the application that should be quicker and as long as we keep on them. So that's uh not much to update there. It's in progress.
>> So Dan, can I ask so when when that process is done by July 17th or you know hopefully prior to that, what does that give us or or what would
on July 18th, what would we have from National Heritage? Natural >> Natural Heritage. >> Yeah. So, basically once they're done their review, they'll send us a letter with their findings and it's going to indicate that the project does result in
a take and they're going to have us uh as part of that, they'll have us produce a conservation management permit, the CMP, which we're anticipating. So then we'll head down the road of of finalizing that CMP
um and um and also we'll have to um work on a turtle protection plan, you know, for the construction work to to pro prevent the take during construction as well. So So basically we'll just get a okay, it's a take, here's the next steps you have to do, submit to Natural
Heritage and get approval. Um and the CMP is the big part of that. >> Okay. All right. Thank >> uh FYI again and for Dennis, I do have a copy of a letter that has come from him in the past and I can get to Dennis to show the content of one of those
letters. >> Yeah. >> Not a planning board project. >> Yeah, you could. Yep. Yep. >> I'll send you a copy of what those letters look like. >> Excuse me. Um and the last item is MEPA environmental permitting that we're
working on right now. And so right now I'm working with Goddard to to get that application in. Um and as Katie sharing yeah so in I summarized on here there was a publicformational meeting on April 29th
that was at the library and I think it's most of us have been become aware of that. Um there was the email notification was sent out by Goddard and it included all the required stakeholders on April 14th. So that email notification April 14th that
starts that triggers the timeline kind of the window for us to be able to submit our um our MEPA permit. It's it's part of this what the EIR process the environmental impact report and um process due to the environmental justice
area. So that 45 days from that email is when we're allowed to start submitting the permit up to up to 90 between 45 and 90. So on May 30th, we can get the um application in to MEEPA. So that's what we're striving to do and I'm working
with Goddard on that. Um that that involves additional plans are needed just to as an overall plan for the entire project. So I'm working on putting that together um with my staff and then Goddard's working on the application um which they will be
providing a draft to me before we submit it in for review. Um, so yeah, at that meeting, back to the meeting, the April 29th meeting, I did, and I mentioned this to the workg group, I was not alerted to it by Goddard. I looked back at my emails, you know, it's possible
that I could have missed something, but I didn't see that. So, I've talked to them about it. Um, and they didn't have any good, you know, reasonings, but, um, it was just missed. So, it was kind of, um, discouraging that no one on the committee, the kind of client wasn't
aware of of the meeting. Um so and they did summarize to me and it's not uncommon that no one attended it though they did have some comments from it from potential stake from stakeholders they did have some comments um and even though they didn't attend the meeting
and especially PACE I guess has recently asked to for a site visit uh to walk with Goddard so they're working on fulfilling that request um and that's kind of that's kind of where that is at right now.
>> Okay. So, did you have God provide us the copy of those comments that they received, please? >> I have them. Yeah, they're in an email. >> Okay. So, want to send them to Katie or all of us? How do you want to do it?
>> Yeah. I But I think it would be good for the working group, if not the whole committee. It's a whole public process, right, this comment period. So, I think it would be nice to know, especially as we prepare to um talk to the public about it, to know what concerns there
are. >> Yes. No, I I would agree. I would I would like to know what specifically PACE's concerns are. >> What's that? >> You're cutting down. >> Yeah. Be careful. >> Do we know how long the comment period
is open? Is it Dan? Um, >> good good question. I can uh find out. I mean, it's going to be >> because you know the the natural the MEEPA permit when it it's going to go out and be in the environmental monitor
and kind of throughout that process anyone can comment. So there's kind of this initial period for through the EJ requirements and just specifically the environmental justice. That's why we're doing this initial publicformational meeting um is really because of EJ but
also just the normal process is it'll be in the environmental monitor. Anyone on planet Earth can comment on it. Um >> okay. >> So there'll be substantial time for it to be out there but I can get the windows of of of when it's available for public comment.
So Dan, do we do we know ahead? >> So Dan, do we know so after the 90-day submitt window expires, which would be on or about July 15th, um
what can occur or what does that mean? The 90 days have gone by and now on July 16th something new can happen. Um, so it's so after 45 days of that that email, that April 14th email,
>> between 45 and 90 days, we're allowed to submit um the our MEPA filing. If we don't get it in within that window, then we'd have to start at the beginning again and and have another public involvement meeting and restart the for
the the the 45 to 90day window of when we can submit. So that MEEPA has these requirements on their regs of okay, you have to have the publicformational meeting and all these languages on such and such a date, but you can't wait like two years to then submit your permit.
You have to kind of keep things moving within their their their requirements for schedule. Um so really we just got to make sure we get this obviously we make sure we get this in after the 45 days um has passed. The earlier the better because then we start moving
quicker. So, >> and and does that come from us or you or did that come from Goddard? >> It'll come from Goddard. So, it's that that's the application they're working on. It's the Meepa filing the ENF and EI and roll over EIR. And so, they um
they're putting it together now in a draft format and there will be a chance for review. They're going to send me draft of it. Um, you know, I'd recommend just the work group taking a look at it and providing any comments as needed. Um,
um, and I think that should be fine to keep us moving. >> Yeah, I think that was that's an important thing you just said at the end, us reviewing it because as I mentioned, uh, when I talked to you the other day about this the screening form that they filled out that we never saw,
we should have edited some of that stuff from before got it, sent it in as well. So, we definitely want to be looking at anything they send over. And >> yeah. Yeah. >> Um I have one other question. This has
to go to Dan through Katie. in we received a letter from um as you know from Mass Development a positive letter but that letter was addressed directly to an address right to the office of u
you know meer and Boston I think should we have sent that or should we send a duplicate to Goddard so it goes through Goddard stuff as well >> so yeah Goddard does have a copy of it and are they're planning to include it in the application >> so it's already good yeah
>> all right Thank you. >> Um Dan, >> yeah. >> Um if they do a walk a site meeting and a walk through, can members of the committee go as well? >> I don't see why not. As long as um we
don't create a quorum or something then we'd have to post it. But yeah. >> Okay. And um you have been getting pictures of all this work or somebody is right. >> The Yeah, the construction. Yeah. So, we do daily site visits um and we collect
photos and and note what's going on that day. We don't have a full-time inspector on a job like this. Um but we are and the contractor is creating asbuilt plans. So, they're taking measurements and and marking up plans as they go as to where things are installed. Um and
and we'll we'll create a record drawing at the end um of the project um as well. So yeah, we do have photos um of from pretty much every day that we're out there. >> So if there's anything you want to post
um you know on progress, we could pick a photo that makes sense or something. >> Yeah. A couple >> I think people who are going to the cemetery have seen the trucks and they know something's going on and they've been asking. So I think it's good if we can, you know, talk about that. Yeah.
>> I went in the rain. I took some pictures. Oh, good. Yeah. Um, excuse me. Oops. Okay. >> So, that there is a project website too on the town website. Just a construction project website. We do this for most of
our bigger projects. So, that's up there too. There's a couple construction updates. We don't have any photos up there, but it's another um, you know, repository for information on the the project. Madam Chair, could we um
and I know that this is a complicated question, but could we try to link that repository that Dan was referring to at least those pictures from the senior center building committee website or page or whatever? >> Absolutely.
>> Yeah, that that section of the building committee's website and of seniorcenter.com, both of those need to be built out and that falls to me to do. So, I will keep that on my to-do list. >> Yeah. Excuse me. So, that's uh that's
the update. Updates. >> Thanks, guys. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Yeah. >> All right. >> Okay. Uh so the next update is the planning board update. Uh as uh
most of you know we went to the planning board on April 29th 29th um to present and um John Catelyn and Dillis the engineer um presented on behalf of our project along with Dan um
as the official spokesperson. Uh it went well. Ken, did you want to offer any specifics? Or John, do you want to offer any specifics to the planning board? Or I guess I could toss it back to Dan as well. >> I can do it if you want. >> Yeah.
So, it happened to be a very long series of meetings before our hearing. So, it was very late. It was too bad for us, but it was went off went on long fine. Virginia builds put up a color concept plan of the of the layout with the so
this has to do all with the site layout and whatnot and uh we had received a number of comments from town departments before the meeting which is the standard procedure and the discussion went on with the presentation
some questions the heavy part of the presentation was done by John Kaplan regarding safety uh and pressing the idea of the parking lot in front of building is a safe environment for seniors to approach the building and that ties into the fact that we're asking for a waiver for that park in
front of the building from the tree planning board. Um it got into a few tiny questions here and there but nothing specifically that was we couldn't overcome. I don't think it was all good. And since the meeting has been held, uh Jim Dillis, he
actually puts some notes together from the meeting and then subsequently has put together his comments in response to the town comments. So that will be reviewed, I guess, further in the next couple of days by me and Dan just to double check it. It seems like it's all
good responses. If anyone else wants it, we can. It'll end up being back on the planning board website when we send it to the planning board. They'll post it on under our documents on the on the planning board. And uh that'll go back
to them in the next few days. The next hearing is I think the 26th week from Yeah. week from Tuesday and that'll be the second hearing for the project and should be the final discussion of anything that comes up.
We still may need to um clarify a couple of things that have to do with the uh site distances down the traffic down the street and also some sight distances at the intersection of Park Street, but that's going to be up to Katie and John.
Jim developed his way, the site, the site engineer. The rest was good. There was some suggestions that I think were accepted by town departments. He has uh updated the drawings. So when the drawings get resubmitted, they will show the updates
that were requested at the hearing and that were in print by the town heads and that should be the end of it. There's a couple of interesting things. Somebody had commented about u should we have a guide rail around the retention
basin and Jim Deillis explained that that was not needed because we have the curb that's to stop traffic and then the detention basin is so shallow that it shouldn't represent any kind of danger. So some good answers on that. They went
over the planting. They pretty much went over whatever would be consistent with the site plan approval. So it should be no issue going back and submitting the comments back. So I asked Dan to work with me just to double check the Dillis
information that was sent back and then he sent it to the draft. We'll have to get back to him and say make it final and send it back to the planning board so they'll have it before the next meeting. So >> Ken, can I ask were there any members of the public there?
>> Not members of the board. >> No, I think it was so late too. There were people there for other meetings ahead of us and they basically moved on before our hearing that night. >> Okay. Might have been No, I don't think there was any public left in the room. They're
just people who on our group, right? >> Jeff was there. >> Jeff. Yeah, I think the um the police chief had a few comments and at at the end of the meeting felt very comfortable with all the answers he got and complimented the committee on
uh I think on the presentation how it went. So I I think he he in the end appeared to be pretty satisfied. Is that about right Ken and K? I know he told me at the end he was very pleased.
>> Yeah, I think so, too. Oh, go ahead. >> I was going to say I think the um one of the main coming out of that looking at Dillis's comments kind of briefly today that I think the um toughest ones will just be the traffic and and um that being explained to satisfaction and um
and everything else though that Develis did on those comments. They look pretty good so far that I've seen. So, I think it's he's got a pretty good response already lined up, but I'll finish looking at it before the end of the week. >> And I did get um data from my senior center, which is the software program that the software company that runs all
of our kiosks and tracks participation. They own about probably 80% market share of senior centers across the country. And so, they have a tremendous wealth of data and they put out these monthly data pushes. and one of them um had to do
with traffic and it talks about when the busiest times are in a senior center and how long the average length of stay is. And so um I'm happy to submit that to um to Jim if he wants to incorporate that into his comments. Can I can I ask what
are the potential traffic concerns or what are the >> Well, there were just a couple of comments made not about traffic entering the site but traffic from um McFersonson to West Maine which is I think not in
the town of Air and then um from Bishop to Park Street at that intersection. And so I think there were a couple of comments that it I think the DPW had said in their comments that it didn't constitute needing like the level of traffic didn't need a traffic study,
right? >> So it was more um just a request for a little bit more information. So we just wanted to >> Yeah, I think that was the police chief's um you know comments too were really those intersections and the you know increase in traffic. Is there
anything sightelinewise, configuration wise that might need to be considered? Um, it was kind of what I think what they were getting at. So, >> and you know, just personally, the the the
West Main Street intersection I don't think has much to do with the project just because everybody who lives in air like >> Yeah, >> you would likely go the other way. Like there's not a lot of res residential over there and if you lived in Shirley
and were visiting, you'd be making a right when you were leaving anyway. So, >> yeah. But again outside of the town of air. So >> there is one interesting twist that happened on the planning board outside of everyone's control. We had two members of the planning board who gave
up their terms. So we have two new members coming on and town council has already been contacted about that. So there'll only be the sitting three members of the planning board who will be entitled to vote on
this proposal as the proposals that came in that night. So that will mean that we'll need a unanimous decision between the three members of the committee. >> When is the second meeting? >> I think it's the 26th. Next week 26th
>> that's when they take the vote. >> No. What'll happen is the second meeting will go over these comments and find out if there's any more comments or a rebuttal from anybody else from the town departments and then they'll most likely we'll finish up the discussion because
that's usually what we do two meetings and then the third meeting will be a decision will be written up between the second and the third meeting. Then at the third meeting is when there'll be final vote of a decision. That's the same as any other project
that grows student very much. >> So they have to have attended. So if it's three meetings, they have to have attended all three them attending >> in this particular case. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Anything else for the planning board?
>> Just talking about the one more thing about the traffic. Um, and I'm not sure if I do it as a planning board member or we do it as a committee, but there's some bushes, let's say, at the end of the existing Bishop Road as you come to the
intersection and look to your right. >> Right. Yeah, I know. >> So, a recommendation would be by planning that those bushes be pruned to improve sight distance at the cone. I
think they're on town property. >> I'm just guessing they're on town property. They could be on the National Grid property, but it's it's right there. >> So, the vision to the left is good because there's nothing wrong with that. The vision to the right could be improved
and that's a simple pruding process. >> Yeah, that's a good point, Ken. That's something, you know, I could take a look at that. >> Okay. >> And that's something we could take care of, too. Um, but it would be good if if we noticed that we could add that to our comments. It would show, you know, that
would go. >> Oh, yeah. You could add that to your comments coming back. That would be great. Um, and the other thing that I think DPW was referring to, there was some signage comments. We may want to think about putting signs on the street
that say something like slow senior center entrance ahead, things like that. We may want to control some of the traffic coming down the road just with signage and have a recommendation like that. Just turning traffic ahead, slow turning traffic, something like that to
to impede the speed of people going down a street without putting in, you know, anything else besides that. >> Especially in the first, I don't know, two years of its existence. in in the few times that I've been there. I mean,
that's obviously a kind of nice flat long stretch of road and you know, nothing's going on there. So, it's kind of >> So, I think especially when it first opens having additional signage or >> I don't want to say speed bump, but make
sure that all the lanes are clearly marked because I can easily anticipate >> somebody who's for whom that is part of their regular commute. And they're looking at their phone. Someone slow down to take a turn. >> Yeah. Auto body shop first. What's that?
Auto body shop so I can get over the >> I was going to recommend that Katie add those comments in working with DPW that we will install some uh traffic control signage the correct whatever the correct term might be. >> Okay. >> On Bishop Road.
>> Yeah. And we'll have to coordinate with Devon's as well in that corridor. It's they technically >> Well, we can put this we can put the signs up and get an ement later. Well, or even >> or even around the time of the building opening,
have the police there a few times early just to kind of, you know, call people's attention to the fact that you're going to need to start slowing down around here. Um >> well hopefully the multi-month
construction of building something we're trying to get through that step with the planning board. So that's one thing I haven't brought now. >> We could do more later for sure. >> All right. So um next on the agenda is the subcommittee update. And I think um
Brian, do you want to offer an update on the progress of the pre-qualifications committee? >> Yes. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Uh so for pre-qualification, uh we have set up our meeting for next Tuesday. Uh
that will be a kickoff meeting for the representatives of uh those of you who have signed up and volunteered. Thank you again for for doing so. Um what that meeting consists of as I just went through one again today is we will be putting uh some slides together to kind
of educate people on what the pre-qualification process is, how we're going to grade it, and then we also want consensus of everyone sitting at the table about what we deem as our project description and what a similar project will be because that's going to be one
of the big grading rubrics that we do for a lot of these um for a lot of these contractors. We want to actually make sure, you know, for example, we want to make sure that they've built a senior center in the state of Massachusetts within the past six years. And those are the types of details that we want to
make sure get into our request for qualification. Um, so our procurement manager will be there. She will run through those slides for us. Um, there's really not a big lift for this Tuesday. It's ultimately going through approving that RFQ. Um,
and then what we will ask Katie uh potentially is uh the contact from the town that we can um reach out to who would assist in doing some of the legal ads and the posting of that. That'll go on combis on the on the town website um
as well as town hall. we would take care of the central register as well as the um the e bidding process which we will will go through project for that which will make uh things much more concise for us. We then will agree on our schedule on
when this will hit the central register and when uh statements of qualifications will be due and then we'll put together a schedule on how often we will meet after that uh based upon our permitting and our and our design schedule. We want to make sure that we get this done early
but not too early. Um, and so I foresee probably a uh four to five meetings after we receive all the respondents. We'll divvy up some work. Vert.ex will take a lion share of a lot of the references and the general contractors. Um, and then we'll meet periodically to
do our voting and to to make sure that we get a uh an established uh pool and a competitive pool for contractors that can bid on this project. >> Brian, can I ask so we need to qu pre pre-qualify the general contractor and
all the subcontractors? >> Good question. So, uh, per mass general law, there's 19 divisions that are that are called out for as a filed sub bidder. Um, and that consists of things like masonry, miscellaneous metals, the
painters, your mechanicals, your electricians, your plumbers. Um, it does not include site work. Why, I'm not exactly sure, but there's there's specific rules as to what category calls for what to be a filed sub bid. So out
of those 19, Dennis, if they hit a certain threshold of dollar value, I believe it's $25,000 for that specific division, they're considered a filed subtrade that would need to be pre-qualified. And so what we do at this point is we
take the the estimate provided to us by by Fogerty and we use a rough idea of what we think that the the um the amount of work is for each of those trades and that's what we advertise for for filed sub biders. I will say in my exper my by
recent experience in the market that we're in, contractors are hungry and we received about 130 statements of qualification packages for the town of Princeton. Um about 15 of those were general contractors and the and the
remainder was made up of all of the filed sub bidders. So, in using the Project Dog platform, it'll have it all um organized for us by division, and it'll allow us to be able to access those, go through them, then bring them forward to our procurement manager who
help kind of be the gatekeeper for all of the grading and the work that is being done by the committee. >> So, does the general contractor have to hire the sub biders that we pre-qualified?
It's definitely >> Yes. So >> they don't hire >> have to We have to hire the lowest general contract, >> right? >> And the general contractor has to hire the lowest subs. >> You've given >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Brian.
>> No, no problem. Uh, so yes, we have to hire the lowest responsible general contractor. That's the the letter of the law. So, if we get a low bidder, but we find out new information or if their financials don't work, we we do not have to execute a contract with them. But if
they are responsible, then we do go with the lowest bidder. When the general contractor puts their bid together, they will have to pick of all of the filed sub bids that have already been received. At that point, it would behoove that general contractor to take
the lowest bids on there because if they don't, their bid only goes up higher. The one caveat I will say is when bids are received, filed sub biders have the right to restrict themselves to either certain
general contractors or not to certain general contractors, which can make things a little gray in areas where we may have a we may have our filed sub bids in and we know who the low electrician is, but he says his bid is
not valid for certain general contractors that are pre-qualified at that point. So there is a scenario where a general contractor doesn't have the exact same >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. You know, I'm just thinking out
Well, let's just move on with the meeting, but it it does. Okay. All right. Thanks for that. That's a big problem. So >> any any other questions? Just give me a call if you want to. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Great. We're moving through the agenda tonight. Um, all right. So,
the next update is grants and fundraising. And this is a quick and easy one from me. Uh, the community development block grant was submitted on April 21st. And I believe we're supposed to hear back uh late June, so it's not a
really long time to wait. Um, so that is good. Of course, the there's delays in getting contracts ready and all of that stuff, but uh we won't have to wait for too long. And then uh the next grant uh in progress in progress is the municipal
ADA improvement grant which is for up to 250,000. We'll submit for the 230,000 estimated for the elevator in the latest cost estimate. Um that is due mid June.
And then after that, there's a little bit of a gap um until things that are due in the last quarter of 2026. There's a couple more um things we can submit for. >> Cool. Can Yep. Where did you get that 230 from?
>> Uh it was in the cost estimate and it said elevator except attic box. >> That was Yeah, it was. Yeah, >> but you didn't put the markup on. Did you put the markup on the extras?
>> Oh, you know, I'm not sure I did. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll >> I'll edit that. >> Thank you. >> My does say 210. >> Does it say 210? >> Yeah, 210. So maybe I So maybe I did then if I Yeah.
>> Um let's see. Yep. That's That's it for grants and fundraising. The um well the friends are hard at work. They're getting closer and closer to kick off their capital campaign. They're anticipating probably late summer. um
they've got the materials done and ready that they want for a communitywide mailer and are working on some community fundraisers as well. So, um more to come on that. They've got a lot of irons in the fire. And then um
they're doing one of the upcoming community events um is declutter for a cause and thank you um to Bonnie our liaison to the friends um for helping to or completely
organizing this one. So if you have um clothing, shoes, handbags, bedding, household goods, kitchen wear, books and media, toys and sporting goods and pretty much anything except appliances. Right. >> Right. Um, you can drop those off at 15
Oakidge Drive on May 15th, May 16th, May 21st, and May 22nd between 9:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. >> And then all of those things will be gathered up and uh delivered and the Friends of the Air Senior Center will
make money by the pound for the donations. And so, you know, bring your heavy things, bringing books, you know, everybody's >> cast iron pans. Yeah, cast iron cans. Um, so >> there you go.
>> As of now, >> so we're hoping to the friends are hoping to raise some substantial seed money um with this to get the rest of the campaign mobilized and going. So, if you have things that you're spring cleaning, I always say the easiest part is figuring out what you
want to get rid of. And the hardest part is deciding like where do I take this stuff? And so we're trying to make that easy. You take it to the Titson's home at 15 Oakidge Drive. >> Not to our hope, but we have a 20 foot pod coming tomorrow. >> All right. >> Which will get loaded and then unloaded
into a 20 foot U-Haul truck or actually 26 foot U-Haul. >> Oh, wow. All right. All right. I like it. So, we have confidence that everybody's got good stuff to get rid of. >> Yes. This is going two weekends, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. This and that.
>> Yeah. this weekend and well it's Friday, Saturday and then the following weekend is Saturday Sunday. >> And where does it go by? >> It goes up to Nashville to Sabers. >> Sabers go sa V O R >> S A V E R S
>> S A V E R. >> Okay. >> Sabers. >> Yes. >> And if you haven't been to a Savers yet, you should go and check it out because it's like an amazing like huge thrift store. Okay. Yeah. No, I'd like to
>> international. >> It's international. Yeah. >> I could I could >> I could easily end up I could easily end up giving it I could easily end up giving it to you and then going up there and buying it back from >> Yeah,
definitely. >> All right. >> Easily. >> Yeah. Hoping to make a maybe at least about a few thousand dollars. That would be really awesome. That would be fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. So, um,
all right. >> A lot of work and a lot of really great irons in the fire. Like they're the friends group is really ready to take the leap. So, it will be coming shortly. So, I'm excited about that. >> Um, all right. So then I think with that
I will turn it over to Brian to present the vendor invoice packet. >> Sure. Thank you. Um did you want to share or Oh, thank you. >> Yeah, >> I have it up as well. Um
for the month of April, we uh have not we don't have any new commitments now at this point. Uh what we are recommending is four invoices. One for Vertex for Catelyn uh for CHB who's doing the water work as well as
the air police department. And before I go through them, I just did have a quick question for Dan V with the Air Police Department. just I want to confirm that that wasn't that's not part of CHB's contract and that we were going to we're just going to have to keep hitting that
utility line item that we had in there for what we have and then B what's the expectation going forward for length because it sounds seems like from what we we're burning about 600 bucks a day for a detail.
>> Yep. Yeah. So it's not part of CHP's contract and this is the way we normally contract. we have the um we have the police department bills paid directly by by the town. So, it is something we'll have to keep accounting for. Um yeah, so
I could get a schedule for the project to get you kind of a better idea on on how much longer and kind of an estimate of of um of the police details for the project. Matt might already put that together, too. >> Yeah, that'd be great. Just cuz, you know, if if you remember, you know,
we're counting on some savings in that line item that we had for utilities. While we haven't realized it yet, we want to make sure that we don't take from a bucket that maybe we do need some money in there if the police is going to be dipping into it.
>> Yeah. >> And Dan or Brian, is there any I I looked at those invoices. Is there any way to and again I I I think it's important that the project move along expeditiously but is there any way to limit the amount
of overtime on the on the detail work that >> one overtime or two something like that >> two days. >> Yeah. It's the one with the higher number. >> Yeah. Um I mean how does that >> Yeah. to to be honest on on that one,
Dennis. We don't have much Vertex personally don't have much control over the work that's out there in the street right now. I I'm not sure. I I think that would be for Dan and Matt to to opine on whether or not, you know, what the options are and how that works. >> Yeah. And this does come up on some of
our jobs and um and we try to work with our contractor to limit the amount of overtime on a detail because, you know, they start at 7 and they're getting their trucks ready. if they're not really working in the street yet, don't have that detail shown up till late or something like that, you know, stuff like there's ways to operate. So, you
can try to limit an overtime issue. Sometimes stuff happens and then you you need to keep the detail around. So, so let me look at it um and op and with Matt and see if we can um you know, if it's a recurring thing, we don't want that happening. We want to operate a different way.
>> Okay. All right. Matt, thanks. >> Great. And what I'll do too, Dan, is if Matt gets that schedule, what I can do is I can forecast a rough idea of what we should expect for detailing on this uh against that million dollars we had
for utilities. >> Yeah. >> So, with that said, for the month of April, we are recommending those four invoices for a total of $29,61966. Um that is followed up by a budget status report at the end which you can
see the commitments um and what remains. >> Sorry there. >> I got a couple of questions when they get a chance. >> One thing I mentioned at our previous meeting is that I want I was going to
clean up one of the overruns we had in the permits and approvals. in working with my accounting department. We've opted not to do that yet at this point. Um I think what we need to do is we need to get through the next few months, get another cost estimate,
understand where we are in other on other budgeted line items, and then we'll we'll almost do kind of a a budget reset at that point where we can zero out any overages and make any adjustments that we need in certain line items. Um, but it doesn't hurt showing
the overrun here. It all kind of trickles down to the bottom of what's been committed and what's available to date. >> I get a couple of questions and is from opportunity. So, um,
my first concern is uh on Vertex. So, you've got a three-month quantity, you know, for the contract that's in place right now. But it's clear it's going to be more than three months. >> Correct. >> Uh we're not going to get charged for that. >> No. So what I was going to do is bring
to the to the working group um kind of a proposal of being able to stretch this out over what we have here. Kind of go through our roles and responsibilities and ultimately what we can do to get this through the bidding phase. um now
that we have our permitting schedule relatively understood. >> Okay. So, you're basically saying of the call it 49 50,000 it's left >> about 50 grand left. Yep. Correct. >> We're going to try to stretch that out through obviously maybe to the middle or
end of October something like that. >> Correct. >> Okay. Uh that was my first question. Um the um I don't know if this makes any sense, Dan. This would there be any
consideration to ask the town manager if we can get a better break on the cost of the the details. So it's not 100% the senior center cost. I don't know it. I understand the concept. If you got
a project going and you know it's >> I guess maybe the president >> Dan just wrote he'd be right back. >> Maybe there's just a president. >> So So Brian the total >> department to another. >> Yeah it looks like that's so so Brian
what are the four sub the total is 20961966. >> Yep. And and the there are four subtotals, >> correct? Four different vendors, four different checks that would be cut by the town of Air. >> I I was looking for I can't find the I
can't find the fourth. I don't know which numbers you're waiting. >> Um >> I was just want to add something. >> It is nicely done.
She's got the half brother. >> No, I don't see that. >> This is >> so maybe if is Dennis looking at the previous VIP before it was up. >> Yeah, you don't have
>> Oh, the emailed one doesn't seem to have that. >> Right. So, the one that the the VIP that was sent out with the meeting reminder um was not complete and I was awaiting a revision and then it got sent out uh >> yesterday.
>> Late yesterday. >> Yeah. Late yesterday I emailed the revised one that had those last two invoices in it. >> Got it. >> And that's the corrected one in front of me now. Sorry, I should have clarified that. No, no, I got it. All right. Thank you.
Dan, does somebody when when the police department invoices this does somebody sign a ticket on the job that that gentleman is there eight hours? >> Yep. Yeah, there's a backup. >> Okay. Right. Any other points of discussion
about the >> Yeah, I have >> I think Ken was waiting for Robert. >> I guess so. It's it's very nice that the CHB breaks down his his invoice in all those different categories of work
because it's very clean that way. You can see the whole the whole breakoff. But what's fascinating here, continues to be fascinating to me, is the fact that there's two items in here for $60,000 each for the directional drilling. One for
the Comcast work and one for the, you know, the waterline work. And we talked about this right after we got the bids and I think Matt convinced me that there was a need for that double cost. So when you look at the whole project, $120,000
worth for the direction we're drilling in particular in the Comcast, it's almost 50% of the work. Is there any way for us to ask CHB to take another look at that or is it done? >> So they they hire a subcontractor,
Henker directional drill. So they get a price from him and that's that's where they develop that price. I don't. So, what are you asking if >> What I'm asking is between the time they bid it and reality when they do it, there's probably a couple of directional
drilling companies that, you know, could be contacted. Maybe another effort could be made to save a on the directional drill. >> Oh, >> because it's such a large percentage. That's all I'm saying. I mean, it's a lot. >> Yeah. I don't I mean, I don't know if they went and asked some other contractors afterwards. Usually when
they put a bid together, they get a price from a few contractors and a few subcontractors and add it to their bid price and and then they continue with that subcontractor, which is what they did here. And we're at the point where Henker already is part of the um excuse
me, the permit with the railroad and they have insurance with the railroad and >> and all this stuff. So they're they're committed now. But >> okay, I just keep bringing it up because it stands out as such a a large amount, you know, for that work. I
>> I have a quick question if I might. And for Dan, on a unit price contract such as this, if they don't hit the linear feat that they put in the contract, does that come back to the town on a on a unit price bid like this? >> Absolutely. >> Uh oh, my stupid mute wasn't working.
Yeah. So if they if they go below estimated, we Yeah, that's a savings for us. >> Yeah. >> So Ken, to your point, if there's two line items there that have a significant amount of linear feet and they don't they don't hit that linear feet, um it
seems as though that that the town would be uh entitled to a credit back on that. >> Yeah, we would. But it works both ways. If we underestimate, we get >> Yeah. So at the end of the job, we do like a balancing and make and then you do a change order if you have to.
>> So he's carrying in each case here, he's carrying according to a schedule of values a 20. He's got 200 lineal feet for each of those $60,000 values. So that means he's if you put the center of the railroad tracks, he's 100 feet on either side of the railroad tracks. the
direction I was drilling seems like a seems like a long way, but maybe that's what it takes, you know, get it down. >> That was the idea. Yep. 100 feet either way. And and when you start, you know, there's only a certain slope that they can drill at. So, and and depending on
how deep the pits are. So, that's what was designed. And >> they'll probably substantially >> construct it to that those numbers. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. No, >> to your point, Ken, when when we get a construction contract, you'll see
something very similar to this with even more pages. When the contractor puts their requisition together, they'll be required to have things broken down to a certain level uh by division. So, you have you have quite a bit to sink your teeth into on a monthly basis. >> Yeah. Know, I'm used to seeing CIA
contracts, but it's this is a nice piece of work you did. All right. If there are no other questions or comments, I will take a motion to approve the VIP. >> Make a motion to approve the VIP for
$29,619.66. >> All right. >> Second. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Ken. >> Hi. >> Dennis. >> Hi. >> Dave. >> Hi. >> Bonnie. >> Hi. >> Alan. >> Hi. >> Dan. I >> the chair says I All right, that passes
great. Wonderful. Uh this might be one of our record fast um meetings. Uh there's no public input. Um John, did you have any updates that to share?
>> No, we're we're still proceeding along. I'm going to be asking my cost estimator to reserve the last two weeks in June for a cost estimate. Um, that brings us closer to
it. We will be closer to the market at that time. I I think Brian that's reasonable, don't you think? Um, >> yes. >> Yeah. because I um what I'm hoping to do is that we're we're probably at over 95%
complete on the drawings. Uh we're waiting for some information back from my electrical engineer and Jim Develis is upgrading a few things and I think that um Ken brought up the fact that Jim has the water line shown on the far side
of the site. I think from the image I just saw from uh Dan B that um the water line's a little bit more towards the center. I don't think that's a big problem for us, but I'll I'll make sure he's well coordinated with that utility line and he's aware that's going to be
uh an 8 in line that will require a reducer. But other than that, we're doing great. We're um we're right now in the final stages of reviewing uh the drawings themselves and doing red lines on them. So
that's about it. We're pretty >> We're in the um Dan hasn't updated that new form or um component at all, has he? That we can see it. The drawings aren't revised online beyond the DD is my question.
>> They're not ready to be submitted to everybody quite yet. There will be probably give us about another 10 days. I think they'll be up >> for your review. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> And John and I saw the uh thanks for the equipment layout for the kitchen plan. So So the kitchen design is substantially complete and we're comfortable with where everything's going. And >> I don't know. I I hope so.
>> It's a gas stove right now, a gas hot water heater. We may not switch the reheat for the hood to back to gas. We might leave it. >> It's currently shown as electric. I I can't remember which way it's going. It's We're having a little bit of an
issue with the change back to um gas with my one of my engineers. I'm trying to sort that out with them right now. >> What do you mean change back to gas? >> Other than that, yes, I said 10. Yeah, we've been at we're we changed
back to gas at the last meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I know. But I didn't think that we had ever changed from gas. The question at the last meeting was >> I don't want to get in argument about that. >> We're well in the working drawings and we made a change. In order to get the
numbers and get the things laid out and pick out the equipment, we went all electric. Um if we were at DD, that would not have been a big deal. Anyhow, we'll discuss that down the road. Working on it. >> I realized I do have one other update.
Um, >> okay. Um, I was able to meet with um, Janet Provide and get the Apac discussion moving back again with John. So, um, I really appreciate her for
reinitiating that conversation. So, um, he's reviewing the quotes that, uh, John, the IT, uh, manager, got for the the grant that we were submitting. You know, that we we didn't get the grant, but it included all of the equipment to
essentially make the um large multi-purpose room have the same or more updated equipment that the select boardroom has so that we would be able to host meetings there. So, he's reviewing that right now. He's re he's seen um at least at the DD level, he's
seen the electrical plans and the what are those called like the cross cuts um for where the >> sections >> the sections for where the walls are and what each of the walls in the multi-purpose room um looks like. And so we're trying to schedule a time to get
together next week um and to make that to keep God going with that. I know early on there were some conversations about the one of the one of the activity rooms I think to the left of the front door. We would also make Zoom capable or we
were looking at putting in that facity. >> That would be great. I I don't think the budget was the budget will allow that but we could always >> Yeah, it's very expensive. It's very expensive to do that. Um,
>> it's a great convenience, >> right? For and and the purpose would be for smaller town committees or boards that don't need the entire multi-purpose room to meet. They could have an official town meeting that's Zoom capable, you know, for public purposes
>> in the smaller room. >> Yeah. So, and that was one of the hopes of writing that IT grant was that that would have essentially doubled the budget. Um, which would have allowed us to do that. Um, but I haven't given up yet. So, we'll see.
>> No, that's great. And again, I would advocate for that just based on Wolver's experience that they are now having a conversation about retrocitting the one of those rooms in order to make it have that capability. They are I haven't heard that from them.
I'll have to talk to them about that. Not familiar with that. >> Three months ago, whatever whenever we were out there. >> Yeah, they're talking about it, but I don't think they're doing it yet. And and it is a budget item, though. And it's a good point. Um Welsley currently
does all their meetings in their multi-purpose room. Whatever size it is, it it's well accommodated because the cameras are adjustable. Uh it would be a plus if you could afford a second room. >> So when you talk about the multi-purpose
room, you're talking about putting the petition down, right? Half the room would be used for the video and things like that. >> No, we want to put the we want to position the cameras so that it can be used either individual side or the whole room together. >> I want to follow up on something that's happening right now in real time.
>> Are we the only committee in town that uses an owl like this stuff we're doing? that I'm aware of. Anyway, >> why don't we just do that in the other room if you want to have another >> We can certainly do that. I mean, this owl is >> Well, I was asked my question was are we the only committee in town that
currently uses this system with the owl which is a portable system. We have we're on Zoom. We're being recorded and our meetings then go up on the website later. And the answer was yes. >> Yeah. >> So, anyone can pick this up in another room >> with a table and have meetings.
>> Yes. without a cost. >> Yeah. We have the owl because the department purchased it as part of our an IT grant that the department got. They're not terribly expensive. They're they're I mean they're a couple thousand
dollars, but they're not expensive on >> the scope of wiring sort of thing. So, yes, like my intention would be to move into the new building and have this available. Um, but most boards and committees don't have any funding with which to even
purchase something like that. So, um, yeah, I'd be happy to make that available in any of the smaller rooms. >> Yeah, I actually bought one for my church and we use it for a special um um meetings that that we have on Sundays
outside of the main church. And we use the owl. It's very effective. It's easy to move around. Although I must say, Katie, your owl's been a little particular. It must be >> it must be a little cranky or something. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, yeah, it's it was >> until I started talking. It's just self-conscious. >> Yeah, it heard you. >> It did. It did. Um I think I need another power cord. So, um now hopefully it will come back on soon. Oh, is it
going? Okay. Otherwise, it'll just my face for a second. Um Oh, one more update. Ken, sorry. >> Sorry, >> I haven't updated. Uh this has to do with the fact that we had a town meeting and we had two on town meeting that
>> Oh yes. What was the easement from the elected company? was the uh grinding of that the conservation easement conservation restriction and its negotiation both of which when the article was written I
believe already be within the board select but we need to have we need to be conscious and aware of the fact that in the not too distant future we're going to need when we get that letter I think when we get the letter undertake Dan would that be the appropriate time for
us to go to conservation and open up the we have to know how conservation wants to fit in this this discussion and the particulars of the land ownership which I believe believe is going to stay with the town with conservation but then they will tell us right away well you know we
don't maintain it we have an outside company do that that's a north county land crust currently maintains the conservation restriction does a survey whatever it's not that easy to do so what I'm saying is we Just
want to be careful that we don't say or do anything that doesn't that leaves the conservation commission out of the discussion when we get to the land that we have to set aside for the conservation restriction. But I'm just
bringing it up now to make sure we are ready to meet with them sometime in the not too distant future. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right, Ken. Um, I think we can when we get that take letter and we start developing the CMP, we'll just come up with we'll develop a
work plan and they'll include what we're doing for the conservation restriction and all the items we have to do. The good thing is we we'll have time because we we're going to first put the project into a a deed restriction, >> then subsequently conservation
restriction once we know who the players are who are going to take that conservation land. the way the article was written in that language and basically going to be a lot of legal steps involved is what I'm getting at. >> Yeah,
>> I'm concerned a little bit with if I believe the conservation commission has has a fund which may be we may be able to accept access for this, you know, for acquiring land or maybe the >> the cost of the legal the cost of the
engineering any of those costs. We're going to have to create a plan. Yeah, >> I want to be careful that we communicate with them and I want to let them know that we hope that they'll pay we want them to pay the fees involved is what I'm getting at. So I I don't want that
to slip through the cracks. So I'm saying it now so everyone gets wind of it. >> Not a Russian conservation division. >> Excuse me. >> This is not a Russ. >> They're going to be believe me they will be looking at this with interest and
Yeah. So we want to be careful that so we take the necessary steps to get involved. >> Great. So >> can I have a member update? >> Yes. >> I can end with it. Um so I will be ending my um tenure
um at the end of the end of June. Actually I'm going to stay on until the end of June. um I need to focus more of my efforts on the friends um for the fundraising that is needed within the next year, year and a half. And I just
feel like that is a better use of my my resources, my expertise, and my time. Um I've loved being on this committee. I've learned so much. Um but I think at this point in time, um
I'm not adding as much as I as I was previously. And I think it's it's good that I was focused on other things that are a little more important this time around this table but are incredibly grateful for all the things
that you're going to be able to the expertise and the time and the effort you'll be able to give to the friends and I think that's going to >> hopefully literally pay off >> for sure you know. >> Definitely definitely. >> Yeah. Very true. And if you want to um
you know maybe we could work out an opportunity for the friends to come to one of occasionally, not all of our meetings, but occasionally just give an official like during the public input update. That would be great too.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that sounds would have to go to the board of selectment so they would fill another seat or what? >> Right. So then, so Bonnie will need to submit a letter of resignation to the town manager's office and then um
>> you know I I believe Linda was made a an official member. Um so that would leave us with one empty spot and then that would be up to the select board to advertise that and fill that spot. >> Well, you've done a great job. Good
working with you. >> Yeah. Thank you. I'm happy you're going to be working with the >> Yeah, we can. >> I just don't want to be blamed about the kitchen. >> He's saying Dave's kitchen.
>> You see the sign now? >> Not sign Dave's kitchen. I uh I was at the Massachusetts Councils on Aging spring symposium yesterday and um one of the sessions was about dining programs
and >> I thought it was stuff probably you already know but there were several things that I learned logistically about how we might be able to restructure the what we're doing now to make it more scalable in the new kitchen. So, uh, I think there's good things to come with
that. And you've got a lot of expertise. So, you can't go anywhere. >> I go to get fired. Don't fire me. >> Brian, you still there? >> Yeah. >> I am there. Yes.
>> No, that's fine. So, I just So, given the foregoing discussion, um, what is the timeline looking like? Do we have a tenative groundbreaking date or do we know because I know that there were some concerns about
bleeding too far into winter. >> So nothing has really changed from our permitting schedule and I was encouraged to hear what what Goddard had said. It it really hasn't changed what Matt had presented at the last meeting. you know, what we have right now is
um one moment, let me get down to, you know, is is starting in that in that early October time frame. Um and so, you know, hopefully hopefully there's great news from Goddard in the next month, but ultimately that's where we see us being
able to award a contract at that point and getting started. So, that would be ultimately when a groundbreaking would happen. >> Yeah. Don't you think, Brian, it's about the second week of October probably. >> Yeah. >> And the positive side, as Brian's suggesting, if if the state comes
through a little bit earlier, it won't necessarily uh change our bidding, but but it could get the contractor mobilized a little earlier, but we're we're going to run into winter conditions no matter how we look at it.
It's it's the reality of it. October is we often hit winter conditions in midepptember. So I mean not the winter itself, but by the time you're getting you're pouring all your you're getting all your site work done and getting your you're getting to your second or third
deck in concrete, we're pretty open. So we'll we'll probably face some winter conditions and I think um our cost estimator will look at that for us too and double check with us. All right.
Well, uh, when do we have I don't I'm sorry. I don't have the schedule in front of me for our next meeting. We're still doing the third Thursday, right? Are we going to go back to that schedule? That would be June. >> That would be the 18th.
>> The 18th. Okay. Does that work for everyone? June 18th at 4:30. Oh, for sure. >> June 18th at 4:30. >> Mhm. >> That's true. Right near the summer solstice.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> All right. So, can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion tojourn. >> All right. >> Second. >> Yes. Second. Thanks everyone.
>> Dave, thank you Brian. >> Yeah, thanks Brian. >> Bye. >> Hi. >> Hi, Ellen. >> Dan, >> hi. >> And chair says I. We are adjourned at 5:49. Good job everyone.