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Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday, June 9th, 2026 meeting of the Air Planning Board. This meeting hearing of the Air Planning Board will be held in person at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an option for remote attendance and or participation via Zoom is being provided

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as a courtesy to the public, the meeting/earing will not be suspended or terminated if technological problems interrupt the virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by law. Members of the public with particular interest in a specific item on this agenda should make plans for inperson versus virtual attendance accordingly. This meeting

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will be live on Zoom. The public may access the proceedings by joining Zoom meeting ID 978-7728220 or by calling 9292056099. For additional information about remote participation, please contact Danny Ruiz, town planner at druisair.n

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mm8 us or 9787728220 extension 144 prior to the meeting. First item uh is the agenda and I would like to uh make an amendment with your approval to uh include under minute uh meeting minute approval the May 5th 26

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meeting minutes. >> Seconded. >> Uh any further discussion hearing? None. Ken >> I. >> Peter. >> Hi. >> David >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> And the chair votes I. Agenda's

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approved. Board reorganization. As we left it last time, do we have a a chair and a vice chair, right? Is it? >> Yes. >> Do we have a clerk? >> That is the last position that we need. >> If you will accept me, I will put my name in for clerk. And I appreciate the time to think about it. >> Well, thank you. I appreciate you taking

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the role. Um, >> I know truly. The only other question is is Peter, I have a question for you. I know you're interested in housing. >> Yes. >> And I'm currently the representative for the air housing. >> We'll deal with that in July. >> We'll do that in July. >> Yep. >> Just have in the back of your head if you're interested. You're not obligated,

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but I know you're interested in housing. If that interests you, just let us know. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Always stuck under. >> All right. So, now uh uh we need a vote for uh >> Yes. So, um Dave um >> Dave made a motion. Uh we have a second. >> Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken. >> Hi,

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>> Peter. I >> David I. >> And does Julie get to vote on her own position? Of course she does. Julie, >> sure. >> And the chair votes I. >> Thank you. We have a clerk. >> Before we get too far, so um

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with meeting minutes, um going forward, um as you know, Heather will not be doing our meeting minutes after the last meeting in June. So going forward in July, we will be using a um program called clerk's

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minutes. And so um what I need from every board member is when you are speaking, speak clearly into the mic and make sure we're not speaking over each other. Um because when I >> I know, but it'll take practice. But

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what I need is because when I upload the YouTube video, it picks up the distinct voices, sometimes it mixes if you guys are speaking over each other and it doesn't it can't tell who it is. So, if we can just try to not talk over each other and speak up um you know into the

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mic, um that would help me a lot. >> So, I'm I am going to have to ask you if we're practicing that. James, I hope you're listening. Um there's a conflicting need there that sometimes we've blown various ears out when we speak into these mics. Okay. >> So I James, you can text me during the

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meeting and I will just note who we need to maybe not be as excited about the new rule. >> Perfect. I just remind everybody that the minutes are aren't a transcription of the meeting. So >> no. So, so the way the program works, just so that you know,

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>> the way the program works is it creates I have it up on the board just so it creates a transcription and then from that it creates minutes from the transcription. >> So, it takes the information from the transcription depending on how long we want the meeting minutes and how full we want them it takes from there. So,

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that's why I'm just I want to make sure >> um >> I do a lot of people hold the votes which is the important thing. >> Yes. So, it does the votes, but right now I have Heather's also going to be taking the minutes just so that I can test both at the same time to make sure

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that it's doing what it should be doing. Um, so we've done it for the last meeting minutes um for the last meeting. Heather is also going to be doing for this meeting and we'll do it for this. >> We're doing it right. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Great. Now, we have the public hearings and I believe all three are open.

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>> Yes. >> So, we can move right into uh the Park Street Air Family Pharmacy. Yeah. I don't believe we have represent We do. Oh, great. We do. Fantastic. >> And I just want to explain to the public this evening if it seems a bit abrupt as we go into the approval, that's because

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we've had extensive deliberations in the previous two meetings. So, if you are cons if you're coming to this for the first time and you're concerned about the level of deliberation, I would encourage you to check out the videos and and meeting mates from the previous two meetings. Um, Danny, you want to

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take tell us where we are and where we can begin? Yes. Um so at the last meeting we um continued so that we could um finalize a draft or get a draft version of the decision that was sent over to the applicant. It was also sent

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out to other department heads for comments. We received one um one uh special condition from the police department and um the applicant had a um had a change about one of the um about

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the spelling of the um last name of the owner. >> Okay. >> Um so that was done. Um and one other question was technically in our the way our um conditions read is it says prior to building permit issuance of a

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building permit. This project doesn't have a building permit. So these are kind of just more general conditions that just kind of carry over there is no building permit for this um actual project, right? >> Um there will be most likely DBW um permits. That's where most likely that

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kind of portion will trigger. If you have anything that kind of would trigger a building permit, we we're going to apply that to whatever DBW permits you would need. >> Great. Okay, great. >> Um >> should we start with the waiver requests?

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>> Uh yeah. So we can start with the um why don't we start with the finding and then we'll go we'll go to the waivers. >> So the findings are simple. There are only two. The first one is that the site plan contains a design that has provided the found the foundation for the air planning board to determine that the requirements, standards, and guidelines

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of the town of air site plan regulation subsection 320-3.5.4 of the air zoning bylaws have been met in a satisfactory manner. And the second one is that the project consists of parcel ID 26-102103104 with the 15 Park Street being the

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location the proposed parking lot is located on. This parcel consists of 5,77 square feet and is currently a paved empty lot. The existing paving will be removed and a new parking lot will be constructed. So we have I think what is it? Four waiver requests or three? Three.

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>> One, two, four. >> Three, four. >> Okay. Um, read these into the record. >> So, uh, this first one's going to be a little long. Ask you to bear with me. So, the first waiver request regards section 9.1.5.B. Section one. For parking areas

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containing fewer than five spaces, the minimum width of access drive shall be 10 ft wide for oneway use and 18 ft wide for two-way use. For facilities containing five or more spaces, the minimum width of access drive shall be 12 ft for oneway use and 20 ft for two-way use, and the maximum width shall be 16 ft for oneway use and 24 ft for

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two-way use. The maximum width of such driveways at the property line shall be 24 ft. The minimum curve radius shall be 15 ft. The planning board may approve a modification of these width and radius requirements to facilitate traction traffic flow and safety or to accommodate the unique needs of

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individual facilities that require wider access drives. >> Industrial Oh, what did I say? Unique needs of industrial facilities require wider access drives. Each lay uh each lot may have one access driveway through its frontage. One additional access driveway for oneway traffic may be provided for

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each 200 ft of frontage. And all such additional access driveways shall be at least 200 feet apart measured from the center line of each access driveway within the FBC uh forbased code district refer to external elements in building development standards. So the justification for the request is as

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follows. The proposed parking lot can only be the sidewalk's width from the existing road and so a reduced curb radius was proposed and subsequently endorsed by the town engineer. >> Colleagues, so the request is >> specifically for the minimum Minimum

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curb radius shall be 15 ft. Correct. >> Thank you. >> That's right. >> On the waiver request, I should say. >> Yeah. >> So, that's the part that's most deraine. >> Yes. >> Any further questions or comments regarding this waiver request? May I have a motion to accept the

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waiver? I'll make a motion that the air planning board issue a waiver for the Park Street project which is 713 to 15 Park Street for a waiver from section 9.1.5B

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section one the minimum curb radius should be 15 ft >> great thank you Peter any further discussion hearing none Ken >> I Peter I >> David I >> Julie >> yes >> chair votes I the waiver is granted

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Uh second waiver request is for section 9.1.5C2. Except for parking within an enclosed structure, for example, a parking garage or for existing multif family dwellings, no parking space shall be located within 8 ft of a building wall or 10 ft of a lot. No access aisle, entrance or exit

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driveway shall be located within 5 ft of a building. Loading docks are exempt from this requirement. And the justification for the request is due to the unique size and shape of the lot, one of the parking spaces 6 1/2 ft from the parking garage to the east and will also be 1.8 ft from the property line.

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Comments, questions. Can Danny, just for the public purposes, can you just let everybody know that these waiverss are all in section 9 basically, which is which is the parking. >> Yeah, this comes from section 9. Um,

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these are all from section 9.1. Um, these are just our requirements from uh within our parking and loading section. >> Okay. Thanks. >> I'd like to make a motion that we uh accept the RA request for section 9.1.5. C2.

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>> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Ken, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. That when the waiver is approved, third waiver is for section 9.1.6. 6. A1 parking facilities with more than five parking spaces shall be

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boarded on all sides except for required access drives with a landscape buffer of sufficient density and height to provide effective screening for parked vehicles. The width of the landscape buffer may vary dep based on site conditions, abudding uses, and the view from the road. As long as the average width of

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the buffer on all sides of the lot is at least 10 ft, except that in the healthcare services district, portions of the perimeter of the district located within 50 ft of any parking area constructed after the effective date of this bylaw shall be landscaped with medium height shrubs so as to achieve effective screening and buffering as

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determined by the planning board. where adjacent part parcels agree to share a common parking area under subsection 9.1.5D above. The planning board may approve eliminating the minimum buffer on all common property lines. The justification for the waiver is given the constraints of the property this

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proposal cannot provide this buffer on all sides but southerntherly end of the property will be landscaped with various trees and shrubs as well as proposed as a proposed picnic table. Comments or questions from my colleagues. So, should we put the plan

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back up just to take a quick look at it? >> Thank you. talking about down here. There is some landscaping here, here, and here as well. But there is no landscaping on all sides. >> Yeah. Can't be done. Right

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>> now, just for clarification, if it's not those are those we're showing plants and shrubs that the balance of that will be loom and seed with some >> lawn. What is is that detailed what the lawn is? >> Y >> it is seed with lawn. Yeah. >> Okay.

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And that section to the left there that goes in, it's like a walkway going into the stairs of the building. That piece right there, paved walkway maybe. Yeah, >> it's existing now. >> Oh, it's okay. >> There's an existing one right here.

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>> So, we talked about this at the beginning that >> the proximity to the sidewalk just didn't give us a chance to put any landscaping on that side. I'm just going for But you can see that the there is landscaping basically on at least two sides of the of the parking lot. The best I could do. >> Mhm.

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>> Good. I'll take a motion. I will make a motion to approve the waiver for air the airplane the air family pharmacy for let me see what's

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what we got section 9 9.1 6A1 >> Thank you David so >> do I have a second we have a second any further discussion >> hearing none Ken >> yes >> Peter I >> David Yes. >> And Julie,

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>> yes. >> Chair votes I. That waiver is approved. The fourth and final waiver request is for section 9.1.7. C2. A continuous landscape strip not less than 4 ft wide shall be located between the sidewalk and the rightway line of the street in order to create a

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sense of enclosure for pedestrians. The planning board may approve a reduction in width of the landscape strip in order to accommodate both a wide sidewalk and landscaping within the front yard setback with the exception of the downtown air park street form base code district. The justification is the

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proposed sidewalk is directly adjoining Park Street. Questions comments my only comment is that it's interesting that there's an exception for this is in the form based code right district. So the typical exception would be if a building

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were close to the front line, but we can apply it here basically. >> Yeah. >> Because of the same Well, we have the same situation. >> Yep. Exactly. >> As we just talked about in the one before. >> Mhm. >> I'd like to make a motion that we approve the waiver request from section

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9.1.7. C2. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Ken, >> yes. >> Peter, >> I. >> David, >> yes. Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. The waiver is approved. Now, we did the findings, we did the

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waiverss. Now, I think um it's time for the motion. And um let's go through the special condition. And there's just one special. So, as as usual, we have the 36 general uh conditions that apply to almost all site

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plans. And the one special condition I think what is that? Page six. Uh page eight, sorry, page eight is it reads is very simple. Police traffic control will be required if construction will be impeding vehicular or pedestrian flow.

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That's it questions. All right. Um may I move it to the motion? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Your motion is >> I'm reading. Yep. Motion. I'd like to make a motion for approval of the site

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plan pursuant to subsection 320- 3.5 site plan review of air zoning bylaw subject to the standard conditions 1 through 30 36 and the special condition numbered one in this decision. >> Mr. chair. >> Second.

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>> Yes, Paul. >> I'm sorry. I put my hand up a couple of motions before. Um, I just wanted to point out that I have no idea what Ken was mentioning when he was looking towards the uh monitor on the wall. So,

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that and I apologize because I know this is something new for you, but he wasn't facing the mic. So, nothing was picked up. I have no idea what he said. I have no objection. I'm not taking a stand on this, but I just wanted to point out that you really ought to need to pay

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attention to the mics if you're going to go with this um automatic transcription thing. >> It's a different it's a different mic, Pauline. So, we're we're we have two competing interests and thank you for bringing that to our attention. I'm sorry to cut in, Mr. Chair.

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>> It's okay. >> No, thank you, Julie. I I understand that. >> Okay. Nothing that Ken said as he was facing the wall was recorded. At least audio record. >> She means she couldn't hear it on Zoom.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, just uh let's just make sure we're speaking for the mic. That's all. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Carry on. Sorry for the interrupt. >> The Zoom mic is this one right here in the middle. Right. >> Correct. >> And up up above. Okay. >> Yes. >> Um did we got a second? I forget. We got a motion and a second. >> There's a motion.

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>> And then Ken seconded, right? >> Yes. >> Ken seconded. >> All right. Any further discussion on the mo motion for site plan approval? Hearing none. Ken >> yes. >> Peter >> I. >> David >> I. >> Julie >> yes. >> Chair votes I. The site plan is approved. Congratulations.

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>> Thank you very much. >> Appreciate it. >> Motion to motion. >> Now uh I'd like to make a motion to close the site plan hearing for uh 73 and 15 Park Street Air Pharmacy. >> 713 and 15. >> Yes. 713 and 15 Park Street. And and

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just as a clarifying note, it's only you uh Ken and Julie who are voting on this one. You guys voted yes, but um your your votes are not um on this one. Sorry. >> Oh, I apologize. My error goods. >> Yeah, good practice. I didn't mind.

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>> Okay. Um >> but the motion does pass. 300. >> Okay. So, did I just make a motion to close it? Did I make I did. Uh do I have a second? >> Seconded. >> Is that for all five of us or just the three of us? >> Just the three. Ken, >> yes to close. >> Julie, >> yes.

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>> Chair votes yes to close. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next item up is 20 Grten Harvard Road. >> You again? >> Yes. Yeah. Can't get rid of me. >> So, we've had significant deliberations and

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importantly a site a site visit last week. So, I'm going to let Danny uh take it from here. And where should we start in in this discussion? >> Yes. >> Why don't we get introductions from? >> Yes. >> Oh, absolutely. And remind if you reintroduce yourself and introduce yourself, sir.

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>> Sure. Yes. Brandon Ducharm with David E. Ross. >> Thank you. >> Conrad Dell owner. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um, so on last Monday, the board had a sitewalk

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with the applicant and the owner. Um, and from that, first I want to have Heather come up and just kind of um, give us a quick synopsis as to what um, happened at the sidewalk and then we're going to get into a couple of things

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that came up during the sitewalk. >> So, you want to give you want me to give an update on on the sidewalk? So, yeah. So, um, all five board members and myself along with uh, Mr. uh, Ducharm and and Mr. uh Dell were on site to review the site, went over the building

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locations, um the location of the storm water system, and I believe the um reference to the retaining wall on the budding property side. Um those items were all looked at and there was I think some extensive conversations back and forth in regards to um tree and

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vegetation removal on site. >> Is that it? >> Yeah, it's a good summary. >> Thank you. Um, so as part of that, um, I actually had some questions that I when I spoke with Brandon about, um, specifically my for me, they came up

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regarding the, um, the line between the Bashara property and the Denal property. Um, let me just pull up the plan. Okay. Yes. So, it's specifically this part this part of the property. And in

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discussion with Brandon, I asked him if um I know that there is some um there are some larger more mature mature trees along that property line. Um and that there's some more undertory shrubbery

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that's kind of growing in. Um, I had I had asked him if they could look at potentially saving as many of the larger mature trees as possible and then anything that can't be saved supplement with it, you know, with um

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trees after um to plant those for to create some of a buffer. Um the biggest uh thing for me is to try to keep that um that existing buffer that's there um for the res the the neighbors that are

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behind them. Um and one of the things I suggested would be as a special condition, we could put in a um that Heather and I would walk the line after the erosion controls were put in or prior to them. we could kind of figure

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out exactly where when um and see what can and cannot be saved and then at a later date once the project is further along when they install landscaping along the northern and um along the northern side of the property then they

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could also uh supplement within there. Um but that was something that I brought to Brandon. Uh so just wanted the board to know about that one. >> What was Brandon? I was just going to say the applicant's response. Is this amendable to you? >> We have a I think we all have a

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response. >> Yeah. So, in terms of I went looked at it again after we spoke and you know, specifically as you kind of >> considering that's a rear property line as you get further up the page, there's a line of um I would say probably 6 in

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white pine trees that are they're growing about 2 feet in from the line. And just given the nature that most of that area at the top of the hill is open, >> a lot of the vegetation is is creeping in towards it. So really what I was

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looking at was the we had the building staked. So if you kind of stand um right along the face of what would be the rear of the building and look up. Um a number of those branches are kind of creeping up into that footprint. But I think and

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again good suggestion to to kind of walk and look at beforehand, but even if we were to limb some of those, you know, the hopes that they would continue to fill back in >> and then supplement um lower um evergreen plantings to kind of fill

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in that that solid buffer line. >> That was V up again. Yeah, no problem. >> Ken, >> I just want to let you know that we looked at that fence line very closely ourselves. All of us looked at it >> with the intent to try to save any tree we could save. And it didn't appear

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obvious to me that anything could be saved. >> That's how close though, how big those trees are coming over the building. So, I like the idea of you double-checking everything like that, but it was not evident to us that anything could be

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saved on the entire site. We looked all around the sides, up and down the slopes, big trees everywhere that unfortunately might have to go. The other thing that was very interesting was we looked ledge and didn't find a thing. The soil seemed

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to be great. So >> that was surprising to all of us and we took a pretty good close just a close look at everything. U met both one neighbor just called across to us and said hi. The other neighbor on the

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north he came out >> talked about the trees on his line. You know >> um important it was to him for those trees to be taken down. >> Yes. Yeah. Those are the one those are the larger ones along the stone long >> right along stone. And I believe the

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roots are breaking basically the the the wall that's there. Right. >> I think we all agree to take another look at it. But >> so am I stepping on you or you good? >> So I think that what Ken said that seemed to be my observation too that realistically given the tightness of the

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site that saving trees is going to be very difficult. So with that in mind then I think that when we think about appropriate screening for the neighbors we're really talking about post construction screening as the most likely outcome. Would you would you agree? >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Cuz it's just tough. Um >> I just want to I have to put my want to make sure. >> Absolutely. >> It was Yep. You definitely right to do that.

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The fact that they had the back the the perimeter of the building staked was very helpful. >> Turns out 25 ft is an extremely short distance. It's not even a long path for me. >> So, turns out when you see 25 ft and you

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see the fence that's there, it kind of connects. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I would love to see the tree as many trees saved as we can, but just to kind of echo and I also think once you start clearing out a lot of those bushes and brush just the trees standing won't give much privacy anyway

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cuz they're although they're aged they're not really thick uh trunks and I think you know again post sight I think would be the best course for kind of that buffer for privacy. >> Good. Okay, >> what else sir? Um so from the um in

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terms of the retaining wall for the for that now the what was the decision on how you guys want to handle that retaining wall? I know there was there's discussion about that retaining wall is not in the best condition. Um are you

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going to remove it? Is it going to stay? Wait. >> Yeah. So I mean one of the things I mean I I think a lot of that is going to have to be worked through with the butter but correct you know what we we had mentioned cuz the essentially the wall

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is on both properties. It's it's right along the line >> but we are in a in a cut slope there. So um if it was an agreement with the butter we could certainly lower that grade continue to lower that grade. there's nothing preventing us um to reduce or

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possibly eliminate the need for that wall. Mhm. And so my suggestion would be to see if you can approach uh the vocals and start that discussion because I would like to if if that's the route

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that we're going in. I'd like to have that, you know, put into the the decision just to have it kind of laid out there. What I don't want to do is kind of us going into construction and not knowing whether or not that retaining wall is coming down or you're going to be grading onto their property

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and we don't know it. So I if you could approach um I believe his name is Justin talk to them and see if you could start the process of of that. >> Yeah, I think I'm remembering this right, but I believe he was pretty

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immunable to pretty much I don't think he was even sold on the retaining wall. I don't think he was even married to that idea. I think he was okay with grading that out. So I think >> I remember saying that. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, Peter. >> I think the biggest one of the biggest

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concerns in the retaining well as soon as you take try to take the stumps out for those trees. We all know that. >> And that's that's why I want to get ahead of it >> cuz what I don't want to end up is then you're going to have to slow down at that point and then start dealing with a

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easement versus you know you know construction some sort of a like I don't want you to have to slow down during construction like that's why I want to start the con the want you to start the discussion now. >> Sure. No valid point. Okay.

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Um I think that was it. Um actually there was one other one that >> I got I got an idea. So would it make sense to put on the plan for the decision that to the best of our knowledge the retaining wall would be what what's your note saying now be

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repaired or just existing? All it says it's existing retaining. >> There's no existing and really prior to that first meeting I wasn't aware there was a disrepair. You know that's what I was pointing out. Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's why I want for the next meeting when we have the actual decision.

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>> Y >> I that way we you know hopefully the discussion has already occurred and you know by that time maybe Justin has verbally said I'm on board with it. >> Y >> and then I can have at least craft a special condition somehow into the into

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the decision that at least you know you know puts that into writing. >> It might not be very specific but it'll at least you know put that into the decision. >> Great. Um, >> my thought was that potentially they would agree to repair the existing

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containing wall and part of the decision. Then that would be what they're trying to do. Then if it worked out, the grade worked out better in the field or something came up later, they could meet with you and the neighbor at that point. But at least we'd know the retaining wall is going to be put back in a condition that's acceptable.

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>> The only problem with that is >> versus grading it because then you're going to you're definitely going to be in the other guy's land. >> Well, that's that's the thing. I what I don't want to say is, you know, they're going to repair the retaining wall and then it says that they have to just because they it can't be repaired, they

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have to grade it. So, I would >> the way I would craft it would be not very specific as to what way it's going to be dealt with, but >> I would rather know that it's going to be dealt with between the two parties. >> Okay? and kind of leave it as very

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general so that whatever direction they choose to go in the special condition doesn't slow them down. I don't want to have them have to come back in to amend the special condition. >> Y Okay. You good with setting up something and talking to the neighbor? I mean,

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>> yeah. Yeah. Seemed like a nice guy. He seemed to be open. >> Okay. >> His his idea was he he knew when that stump was going to get pulled, it's going to it's going to demolish the whole wall. you know, he basically he's the one who recommended grading it down to the property line, you know. >> Okay. >> Which I think would be the best way and

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the easiest way to go and appease him, you know. So, >> okay. >> Right. So, you guys will meet internally. >> Yeah. So, what it Yeah. I'll have a something crafted in very general terms and when I send the decision over once we get to that point, I can send it over

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to them and they'll they can, you know, let me know if they have any comments on it. >> Okay. Thanks. It looks to me that the applicant has addressed all the department head comments except >> yes >> that I was getting there. There seem to be two that are open. It's the traffic study and the phototric. So I thought

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let's can we resolve that? I'm hoping we can resolve that this evening. Should we start with the traffic study issue? >> Yeah, why don't we uh >> and can I invite I'd like to invite uh Chief Gil to come up to the table. And Matt, you're here right on Oh, Dan's here. Okay. Matt and and Dan are here. Excellent. Excellent. So, can you frame

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the the issue for us, Danny? >> Yes. Um, so the we typically there's a requirement for a traffic study and most projects will request a waiver because they don't trigger the, you know, a threshold that the town

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departments feel that is necessary. In this occasion, there is a um it's a little bit more of a uh tougher uh um situation. The proximity to central and

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the the intersection there. I know there has been quite a few accidents in that area. Um but I think I will turn this over to the chief and let him kind of just speak about um this on on >> Sure. Um >> if you can bring it up. >> Yep. Yeah. Yes, if we It's probably

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easier if I point out on a um on a map >> and that'll be either anything to show the traffic compared to the intersection. >> Okay. So, you got to bring it down a bit. >> Okay. >> So, um you mentioned uh the accidents. Well, we haven't had an accident there since we brought in the four-way stop sign.

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>> Yay. >> Which we haven't had one. So, we're very proud of that. Um, so what that entails is all the traffic stopping at all four intersections and um there are periods of time when we have multiple cars backed up waiting for their turn to turn in. >> True.

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>> What my concern is is if we do have that backup here and we have cars trying to turn in and if it happens to be one of these cars that are trying to access the driveway, are we going to be creating some sort of a gridlock situation? I

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see. So, I don't, you know, I couldn't find what the, you know, what we have for measurements that go from the the center of the driveway to the stop line here >> and and try to guess how many vehicles basing it on a >> the Q line. >> Yeah. So, you know, basing it on a 12T,

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you know, profile of a car of the, you know, an average car. >> Um, uh, you know, trucks are a little bigger. So, how many how many back how many cues do we have available to us for that? Um and then you know when that could you know snowball. We also have on

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the other side it's not part of this but we we experience the same thing when there's a train. >> Yes. >> So if there's a train here we have cars backing up on all sections. >> So um I just want to be mindful that we're not going to be exasperating any type of gridlock um to that you know to

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anyone trying to turn in that driveway. >> All right. And that's the reason for the you know I just we don't know what the traffic is out there. We haven't done a you know a queueing in study for this. I don't think we have Dan may be able to comment a little bit more on that but I don't

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think we have. Um but that's my overall concern with traffic. Uh you know uh that's it. I do have a couple others after we talk. >> Okay. >> So >> um so on this one uh Matt I believe you had told me that there was a study that was done in this area

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>> 2020. Yes, that that's right. Um the last study the town did was just before co so it's fairly recent but not um I guess

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not extremely recent information. >> Okay. >> So in terms of queuing so that's kind of the big question. Um, so yeah, I just from my experience, I

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guess I'm trying to remember precisely what the study said in terms of queuing on that approach. I don't remember what that Q length was um off the top of my head, but from experience having driven through this area, it does it can

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definitely back up. So, I do um I I do understand the chief's point on this. Um, my comment too on on just traffic study in general. Um, cuz I know this is a tricky intersection. Uh, I I I don't

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know how much good information we'd really get from a traffic study just relative to the one that was done not so long ago. Um, that was my big comment just with this being a a 9-unit

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um project as opposed to, you know, a commercial or or some other major development. Um, I I think it would be helpful. I mean, obviously the more information the better, but I just don't really know how much value we would get

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just from my opinion. So it kind of >> So I guess the question comes down to the queuing length then. >> Exactly. And the queueing length really has nothing to do with the number of units. It could be one unit and still be a queue issue. So it has nothing to do really with the number of units. It

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really has to do with the just the location of the driveway uh to the intersection is the real issue. So my question is how do we how do we get information or data that can resolve the queueing issue? I believe the best way we could do it is if you would provide

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you could create a plan just kind of showing, you know, just where the stop line is and how many cars it would it could, you know, could cue before the the the driveway gets blocked. Would

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that provide you the answer you would need? >> Part of it. >> Part of it. So it would give us the the the kind of like how much of a queue is available >> but then we would actually have to find out probably what you know the traffic what the traffic behavior is there.

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>> Um there has been a change as as as Matt said that this was you know prior to uh co which would be prior to the four-way intersection being enacted. So there is a different traffic pattern there. Um, and it could, you know, I just don't want that intersection to,

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you know, we've just fixed it and I don't want to do anything to undo that if and if there's a way we can mitigate it at this level, like is there anything else that we can do? So, um, but there may be it may not be an issue, but we don't know.

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>> How do we get to know it? >> No, sir. I'm not trying to be funny. Y >> the the I I mean I guess like the chief stated a study is the only kind of the only way you get that answer >> and it may not have to be a full-blown study if it I don't know if there's a

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way you can just study you know the you know there's a Q study of that you know particular intersection or that you know approach to the intersection. I'll leave that up to the engineers. >> Is that is that possible a partial traffic study that isn't full-blown or

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no? Um, >> well, the study you're talking about, >> in my in my experience, I I don't know, you know, I' I've never done I've never had a project a traffic study that's been done that's only looked at one

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intersection. Typically, inter, you know, traffic study is more extensive than that. But, um, yeah, I I I really don't know how to answer that one. And maybe it is just it's a traffic study we have to do. You know, we have

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to know what the, you know, the Q length is >> and you know, and then what does the traffic study say about that? >> Yeah. >> Well, what we're talking about here is the potential. Typically, when we do a traffic study, we're trying to find the impact of the development on the traffic. >> Mhm.

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>> We're not really talking about that now. We're talking about an existing pattern that ex that's there but >> the project but the the development will be impacted >> and the the development will impact

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>> the the intersection. So in our typical as in the typical way we we typically see it is the amount of car trips would affect the intersection. That's generally because we think there's going to be a larger impact because of the amount of traffic. This is just because

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of the proximity to the to the intersection and the, you know, how busy of an intersection this area is. So, it's more of I've seen it this way, triggered this way before. Um, typically we see it the

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other way, but this is a valid reason for a traffic study. Um and and you know when uh Brandon approached us uh a few months ago, you know, we did get put this on his radar that there's a potential that this may be necessary.

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You know, they they did try to go the route of requesting the waiver. So now at this point, it's kind of how does the board want to address this? So my cons my thought is that doesn't need a full traffic full-blown traffic study which is extensive and you

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have to bid it out you know and a whole bit >> is it possible to just >> not for that that's but yes >> we have to approve the engineer and so forth and typically no >> we don't approve the engineers they choose their own engineers then we can

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do a if the board feels like peer review is necessary based on the conclusions that come out of it and the information if if you know internally we don't feel then that's when we would do it but >> this is typically would be done by them

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and the >> if we're going to do it >> got to do it now >> we have to do it now school >> exactly I'm just going to get it then >> is that doable >> I mean >> and then I'll get talk to you in one second David is that doable between now and the end of school >> I don't know

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>> school ends on the 21st so I doubt Traffic studies are usually more than >> a couple of days. >> So there are times where we do allow it outside of the school times. There's times where we've allowed it in December

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for us. The big thing is not going to be well I don't want to say that actually. Yeah. At this point, I don't really know how else to answer other than the board is going to have to make a decision on

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whether or not they want to pursue they want the applicant to provide the traffic study or if they're going to w the do the waiver. >> Is the traffic study going to stop the

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project? Like if the traffic study like is the traffic study going to tell us that no, you can't put that driveway there or is it just going to say it's going to create this issue cuz we already know the issues there.

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>> I I >> the traffic study's not going to tell us how to fix cuz you you're not going to move the driveway. You're only going to have x number of cues there. So, it's not like the traffic study is going to tell us anything that we don't already

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know. >> Unless I'm missing something. >> I I So, >> I agree. >> I see where you're coming from. I do see that. >> But, I can't answer the question with >> without the traffic. >> Without the Exactly. It's kind of the chicken and the egg kind of thing here.

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Um, >> just hate to put the expense of a traffic study on it. on these gentlemen that are trying to increase the housing stock for it to tell us that yes, there's

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going to be a problem because you only can get six cars here and the seventh car is going to turn into the driveway and not be smart enough to say, "Hey, I can't turn in. Let me go down and turn around and come back the other way." But typically what those traffic studies

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provide is ways to um uh uh there's mitigation that they will give in this scenario. I don't know what they would be. I'm not a traffic engineer. >> But >> yeah, there's not much wiggle room for

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So even if the traffic uh does come back, I mean there's not much like David said, we can't move the driveway. So it's doesn't I don't know if it's doesn't seem worth the effort to there's no real resolution we can make out of

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it. >> Oh, we're still deliberating. Um, is it possible to just get a very simple count? Like the engineer could go to the corner and for five days in a row, week, five week. We're not talking

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about a weekend here. Typically, we're talking about weekdays, right? Thought >> correct? >> Go there for 5 days in a row and just from 6:30 in the morning till 9:30 or 8:30 the commuting time. And I'm pretty sure it's we're considering the commuting time in the morning, not the

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afternoon, right? We're thinking about the traffic coming south. >> I would suggest both. >> Okay. Either way, you could do both. And just give us a count and how many times we had four cars, five cars, maybe we only had three cars, whatever. A modified, simplified approach to get at

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least a handle on how many times in a 5day period we had >> more than four cars back. >> My one question with that is >> it's unofficially a traffic stop. Yeah. which I'm that's not my hangup there. My

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hang-up is more of the train. >> The train. >> The train. >> The train. >> Yeah, but >> we don't know. There's not like it's a it happens every day or it happens, you know,

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this specific time of day. I don't know how we take that into account or even can a traffic center even take that into account. >> That's arbitrary. I mean, they come and go. We don't have no idea when they're coming. >> Correct. But but like the chief did say

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this the traffic I mean the the train causes a backup at this whole intersection. It does. I've I've been stuck there before. So I >> No, we don't. >> Yeah. So it happens. >> Now how frequently does that happen? I don't know. >> I don't know either. But I do know that

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they don't run they typically don't run the long freight trains during rush hours. They have commuter rail during that time and those move quickly. >> So the trains that create backup are the longer freight trains and those are typically either nighttime or midday uh

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not during peak traffic. Does that make a difference in the calculation the way we think about this? >> So >> so can I yeah go ahead Julie chief the question please do. If I understood you correctly, I I like the question of how many cars

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actually fit from the stop sign to the driveway. Like how many are we visualizing as we're all frequent drivers on this road, >> but I understood the problem to be I understand why the backup, how am I supposed to say this? Going

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south towards the south side >> will most likely be where it backs up first, right? because that's where we're going to hit the train or or other things. But the concern is how many cars will be stopped >> coming to it trying to take into the

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driveway >> and trying to do that. >> So once Yeah. So the concern is once the queue heading south is full past the driveway >> and then we have a situation where somebody wants to turn in >> then we're now you know and then so I

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guess the queue becomes important there too because now you got how many cars are going to fit in before >> behind that car >> and you know it's you know and that's where the traffic study would shed some light as to what is actually I mean this there may be not an issue here. Yeah, >> we I I just I don't know and I I just

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want to make sure it's on the radar of this board that you know there's the potential here. Now, you know, I don't know what kind of mitigation if there is if an issue was found, I don't know what kind of mitigations are out there, but I know that there are multiple ways that these things can get mitigated, but we

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don't know if we have a problem. And that's the key to this. We don't know what we don't know. >> And if So, I'm going to ask a chief a question. I'm going to just be really blunt and lay my cards on the table. When the chief of police comes and has concerned about traffic, I'm loathed to contradict

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the chief of police simply. However, what I want to ask you, Chief, is uh given that the mitigation options are pretty few and the expense of the traffic report,

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do you think that the level of concern over the possibility of the extension of the queue into the driveway rises to such a level of that necessitates the traffic report? Do you understand what you know what I'm getting at? >> Yeah, I I absolutely understand. I have no way to answer that.

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>> Okay. >> And I'm not being I'm not being I'm not being koi. >> No, I know. >> Um I appreciate that. >> It's uh you know, I'm I'm just I'm my my job is to bring issues to light >> and for uh for the board to deliberate

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and figure out the best path forward. >> All right. So, I'm I'll I'll just issue my opinion and let you know my colleagues issue theirs. It's unfortunate, but look, this is one of the most traffic intersections we have in town. It rose

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to the the concerns about it rose to a level where we needed a four-way stop. So, we know that's not a trivial site, plus the trains. So, yeah, I I'm going to accept the the chief's recommendation for a study. That's my my opinion, not the board. And

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the the way and and it would need to be a majority of the board that would have to request >> That's right. >> Because the waiver is the other option >> to wave it. >> Yeah. So you the the board can do it in

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one or two one of two ways. You can choose, you can someone can make a motion on the on the waiver now >> and just decline it >> and it and if it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, then they have their answer. >> Okay. >> So, you think we've reached a point

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where we can make a motion on the waiver right now. We don't have to go. I was thinking we usually do that with decisions, but you want to do it now and get it out of the way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because they need they need >> decide on the traffic. >> Exactly. They need that answer. Now,

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>> I'm going to make a motion that the project's on the corner of Central A and Graten Harvard Road, the 20 >> 20 Groundhel ID map 25, parcel 23

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does not need a traffic study. >> Um, let me just So, you have to vote in the It's always in the affirmative. So, it's a motion to are you >> not require a traffic >> or to accept the waiver? >> Accept the waiver. Do it the waiver route. It's the easiest way.

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>> Okay. What's the waiver section? >> Pull that up cuz he has it in here. Um, it does not have section. >> It's right here. Yeah, it's right here. Hold on. >> So, it's section 4E of the site plan regulations.

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I'm going to make a motion that the project on 20 Glen Harvey Road be not require a traffic. >> You vote to wave section 4E of the site plan regulations.

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>> I'll get it right. >> I'll make a motion that the planning board vote to wave section 4.E, E the vehicle of traffic circulation and parking requirement under the ASI plan regulations. >> We need a second.

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>> I can second it, but I I don't even know what I'm seconding. So >> it the way >> can we talk about it in the discussion part? >> We just need a second to get to discussion. >> Second. >> Now we can get you a discussion. >> Yes. So >> okay, your question is and we're going to take we'll pick it for there >> with the motion stated as it is.

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>> Yep. So >> what does a yes mean and what does a no mean? >> You are waving the traffic study. >> Yes means we wave the study. They don't have to make the study. We if we decline the waiver then the study is required. >> Correct.

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>> No requires the study. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Yes. When you make an emotion it's always I completely follow it and yet I still need the black and white. >> Sometimes it can get confusing like this when it's a negative.

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Do you want a second? Do we have you second now? Discussion. Now it's discussion. >> So the reason for the waiver is that I think the require the the reason I want to grant the waiver is because I think that the cost of the traffic study is ex could be excessive in this particular

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case where this is a pretty small project. We understand the complications of the intersection, but I don't think we can dig deep enough to figure out what the correct answer is for this going through a traffic stud. I think we'll end up with a traffic study that's complete, but it may not help us make a decision on how far the queue goes back

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or whether it affects turning traffic on the streets. That's my thought. >> I completely hear that and I've seen enough traffic studies that I can't believe I understand exactly what you're saying. Now, I am still

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weighing how so I guess I'm in agreement with what you're saying. my I am conflicted because I still feel I want to >> address I I don't think this necessarily

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means I I don't think I just want to approve nine units but there's no way to know. I guess I I I'm thinking I'm sorry not not thinking it clearly out loud but >> Mr. Chair, I'm going to step away from the table while you guys deliberate.

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>> Oh, okay. Thank you. >> Y >> yeah, I think looking at the totalitarian of the situation, it's nine it's nine units and yes, there will be an impact, but I don't know if the going through the whole traffic study will

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yield anything of really relevance for a solution. And I think they need they need the information. >> And I don't really want to see the project be held up for a traffic study that again we it's I don't think I I just don't

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know what we can change even if we're found out that you know there there will be traffic there will be a backup. I do I just don't see what the traffic study will ultimately change with the project. >> And yet I'm with you. That's where I'm at. I could just

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>> and yet I feel the onus to the residents in this town that I am not as conflicted for the project but I'm also conflicted that I know the traffic I believe the traffic study will not tell me what I need to know

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to do right by the residents for this intersection I that there still could potentially be a problem and I think it's a valid discussion but I don't I don't know where that falls from >> I don't think the traffic study at this time of year is going to tell you anything anyway cuz in by the time you

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get the engineers set up and get the traffic study going, the school is closed and you're into summer traffic and traffic study now isn't going to tell you anything. And to hold the project up for another

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5 months just so we can get an accurate traffic study, I don't think is fair to the the applicant. Can I get some Thank you, David. Can I get some clarification on that? Would it have to be delayed five months for the study? >> Well, >> no, I'm just or you know, would I have

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to be delayed to the beginning of the next school year? That's what >> would that or could they or do they have algorithms where they can adjust? >> Complicated. >> It's complicated. It's complicated. >> There are IT standards and within the IT standards, you know, the the manual there's

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>> there's there's times of years which they prefer traffic studies be done. Um, we've seen them done before like uh the DMG project was done in December of 2020 for co, >> you know, like

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>> it happens, but there's no there's no requirement. >> Well, there's no requirement to be done when schools and such. No, but it's typically

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preferred to get a full picture of the impact. >> Yeah, it seems like if you want to do a a good traffic study, you want to factor in the when traffic is heaviest, when the school buses are out and the parents drop their kids off. So, if we're going to do a traffic study, we should do a traffic study. We shouldn't, you know,

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go half in on that. But >> ask one more question. I thought I saw you doing mental math, Ken, when we were looking at it. >> A couple hundred. >> Can we talk about how I think we could do the math right here? Is that okay if we take 5 minutes, but to estimate how

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many car lengths that is? Like I think I heard Jonathan say 12 ft per car. >> 51 + 88 is 150 + 50 is 60. It's 230 to 40 ft. >> Not that this makes me any smarter, but I think it's going to be the same kind of conversation we'll have after a

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traffic study. So I would appreciate if we just had it before we vote on a waiver. >> So at just if we were to just say at 150 ft and a 12 >> that's what the first dude isn't at 71 I'm seeing plus

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>> it's 71 88 and then this one this is a radius so it's kind of harder. >> Yeah it's 50 and 60 ft. >> Yeah it's a bunch it's over 200 ft. So, >> and you're measuring to the ed the inner edge of the driveway. >> So,

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>> yeah. Might be 150 175 ft. >> So, it's about >> 12 cars. >> Yeah. About 11 cars. >> That's a lot of cars. >> 12 cars. But then now you throw a school bus in there. That's three two school buses and three cars.

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>> Tractor trail concrete. the, you know, Atlantic, North Atlantic Concrete just north of there. >> But then again, how if there's only nine apartments, how often is somebody coming

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east, turning north onto Groten Harvard that's going to turn left into that driveway? >> That's what the traffic setting would tell you. >> Except I know, but I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know because the way they do it is they would typically see you know

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what are the main ways of you know people work in so or >> you know what are the main routes that they would normally take and all of that gets taken into account. >> Are those people that come up to Harvard take a right into the driveway as opposed to coming from and taking a left

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or are they coming down Central? >> Mhm. Thank you for the 11 or 12th car estimate. That was something. >> Boy, this is tough. >> We got to bring it to a vote. >> I know we did.

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>> Uh, we ready to bring it to a vote? >> Do I need to get I don't need public comment because it's not a plan approval, right? >> No, no, no. >> Good. Good. we can we we'll open up the comments. >> So just remember that uh a yes is for a waiver means no study. No means no

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waiver. Okay. I just want to clarify that. All right. Are we ready? >> Uh Mr. Chair, may I ask before you take your vote, are you not taking public comments on this particular matter? >> Correct. We're in the mi we're in the

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middle of uh discussion um and in the middle of their vote. Uh typically >> is that you Danny? >> Yeah, sorry. Um yeah, they're in the middle of the vote of their motion and in their vote. So typically comment is not allowed within that mo within the motion.

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>> So the chief has re I'm just going to say this. Chief has recommended a traffic study. Members of the board, you don't have the floor >> and you are not taking public comments on this. Is that correct? >> We're mid vote. Did he Did he say

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>> No, you're not midvote. You just started it. You are not taking public comments. Am I correct? >> They're in the middle of the vote. The motion has already been made. It already has been seconded and they're in discussion. At this point, there is no there's no time for we

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>> So, my hand has been up for about 5 or 10 minutes and you've completely ignored me and you're not taking public comment on a traffic study that the chief of police requested. He didn't. >> I just want a yes or no to that. >> I'd bring him back up.

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Go ahead. >> Chief feel a guest. >> I'm going to come back up a second. >> Hello. Welcome back. So, can you >> did you did you formally request a formal traffic study or did you say we needed to look into this further? What was he?

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>> Uh my comment was I believe that due to proximity of the driveway to the intersection of a four-way intersection, traffic study should be required for traffic pulling out of and pulling into the proposed site. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Required is not requested in your

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environment. >> Is that correct? >> Um the so these are department head comments. He is ask he's saying that it should be required. The planning board is the one who makes that decision in the end. There's plenty of times where I

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have made I have made requests and it just the board is the one who makes the final decision. They're in the middle of a vote of a waiver right now. >> Ken, >> carry on. I guess I don't know what else

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to say, but I do not agree with your decision. Okay. Or >> we haven't position. >> Thank you, >> Ken. How do you vote? >> Yes. For the waiver, >> Peter? >> I >> no.

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>> David. Julie? >> No. >> Chair votes? No. Okay. So, it's uh 3 to two. The waiver has been declined. So um at this stage the applicant has their marching orders

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um on the traffic study. >> Now there were other issues too that are open >> just for one final comment >> please. >> I thought it was very important what we did. >> We needed to bring it to a vote and we needed to get a decision by the board. >> So my intent was to get it one way or

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the other but to get it done right now. Yep. That's great. >> I'm very happy that we did that as a planning would. >> Thank you. >> And I want to share my thanks. I appreciate it. >> Um, was there an issue about the phototrics to the to?

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>> Um, let's just keep the >> Yes, there was the the the No, the phototrics was um they were requesting more waiver on that one. Um, the DPW uh so on the traffic one. DPW is considering future improvements at this intersection. Although a formal plan has

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not yet been prepared. Um, uh, Matt or Dan, can you guys speak on that one? >> Sure. Um, so as part of that old traffic study that I mentioned that happened just

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before CO, um, the consultant working for the town, uh, prepared a couple alternatives for that intersection. Um, one of those alternatives was a uh uh stoplight, one of the alternatives was a

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roundabout, and the other was um what's currently in place, which they called an interim improvement, which was the four-way stop. Um, so we're currently uh I guess at an interim uh improvement stage, but we're

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still looking at potent uh you know possibility of um improving this intersection further with a a traffic light if that's warranted in the future uh you know through a traffic study. >> Um >> yeah. Yeah. Just to further that it's

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Dan. Um Matt's right. the the the four-way stop is an interim improvement allowed by the MUTCD. So, it's not technically a final improvement. So, we do need we have more work to do there. And and Matt's right, we got to get back to the drawing board

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and um and look at at what we do and which alternative is best if a traffic light is warranted or not. And and when you when the DPW begins that that whole process, obviously there

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will be public meetings, the you know the res the neighbors in that area, the residents and all that will be notified about those public meetings and the potential of these plans as well. >> Yeah, it would be yeah, excuse me, a public process and we we'd go through

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that and and funding would also have to be sought. It'd be a pretty big process. It's um it's on the capital plan a few years out at this point and we're kind of looking at ways to to fund it um outside of the town, outside of local funding to try to leverage something

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outside of it. Um so that addresses comment number two. Um the next one was the existing shrubs along Graten Harvard Road frontage of this property significantly impact sight lines from southbound traffic. DBW requires removal of these shrubs.

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Further, no replacement plantings/ trees shall be placed in the areas impacting sight lines for traffic. And that is, let me see if I can pull it up here. I think the board I'm sure the board knows the area that we're talking about, but

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let me just um get it on the map. All the everything's coming down. It's specifically these >> Yeah. >> these trees that you see along the frontage. They pre there the the the statement is that these prevent sight

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lines. >> I mean is shown being removed. >> Yeah, they're already shown to be removed, right? So there's no contestation here. >> Yeah. No, I guess the the just the comment said to that they would it would be discussed during the meeting. Okay. >> That's the only reason I'm bringing it up. >> Okay.

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But it looks like we we already decided there's probably going to be >> because that did come up during the >> during the walk. >> During the sidewalk. Okay. >> Um the other ones I think Let me just make sure if there's anything else. >> When you went through the photometrics a

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few minutes ago, there's no site lighting on this the job, right? So we're just talking about the lighting that's on the building. >> Yeah. There's they're requesting a waiver, >> right? So the the the photometrics is not a it's just requesting a waiver. >> Yeah.

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>> That and they had requested a waiver for the photometrics and for the traffic. >> Yep. Got it. >> Yeah. The other that was it. Yeah. The biggest thing was the traffic discussion. >> So Mr. Chair, just on the photometrics,

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could I be here? >> Yeah, please. There was there was no photometric even like listed other than a mailbox light. Um I just want to make sure that there are no uh parking lot lights that are going to be facing anything. These are just are your only plan lights going to be the ones that

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are like on the front doors or you are you intending like side uh like parking parking lot lights? >> Nope. And that's why we asked for the waivers because we're not proposing any parking lot. >> I just didn't I didn't see any type of other than the mailbox light. Um, so I knew there was other lights out there.

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So I >> No, anything on the building would be downward facing and and really just looking down at those uh basically above the garage doors. >> Got it. That's that was my that was the the reason for my comment was I just wanted to make sure there was no parking lot lights that were going to interfere with that intersection.

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>> And you're satisfied? >> I am. >> Good. >> Excellent. Excellent. Anything else on this this evening? Um, so, uh, you want to just talk about the the the comment, um, Ken had and that you, you know, in the revision,

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um, with the, um, extra catch basin. >> Yes. So, when I talked to and just trying to figure out when we're going to revise plans. So, uh, we've discussed it and we can add a second catch basin and crown the entrance to the driveway there

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to basically meet what what what Ken's asking or requesting. >> Thank you. >> Um, that's all we had for open comments. >> All right. I >> not public. I was just going to say

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before we uh continue the meeting to the next meeting, I wanted to open up to public comment starting with the room any >> um >> did you want to make any comments or did you have questions? >> I didn't have questions. >> You did or didn't? I'm sorry. >> I do. >> Okay. Well, just remember just introduce

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yourself. Your name and the uh street address. >> Moren Bashara. >> Um I am the homeowner on the the long side. Is that >> Yeah. Now that that chain link fence, that's it's not chain link, it's wire.

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It's a wire fence that we put up there and we are 1 foot in from our boundary line. >> So, you know, when you guys were doing the sidewalk the other day, we came out on our back deck. Is there any way at all any way that we can leave that group

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of trees at the very end so that I have some privacy? because a 6-ft fence is going to do jack. >> When you say end, uh, closer to Central A or up the up higher, which >> up at the corner? >> Up closer to the corner of um, this

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property up here. >> So, >> at Bashara. >> Yeah. You're talking about up there? >> Yes. up at that end because we have a deck, we have a swimming pool, we have a hot tub, you know, we have a lot of

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gatherings. A 6ft fence on that end is I mean, you saw me I came out on my deck and waved to you guys and spoke to you through the I mean, we will have absolutely no privacy and a 6ft fence

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there isn't going to cut it. And a lot of those trees are on our side. The big oaks and stuff. >> You see this? >> That's where she talked about. There's the dead right here. >> Yeah. Down at at that. >> Okay. So, that's not the end of the site. That's

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>> I guess right there. Yeah. >> So, our house is like right in the middle of the property, >> right? of you know >> is there any way that those just those entries so that our privacy is is preserved

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>> is beyond the property. >> Yeah. Yeah. So they're talk she's talking about this area right here. >> Right. Yeah. >> Specifically this area. >> So if I Yeah. >> Yeah. Go ahead Brandon. I I believe this is what we've been talking about and we talked about walk >> and

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we've already agreed in lie of the fence we're fine with doing more plantings and that that was another one of the >> but that takes years for plantings to grow. >> Do you know what I'm saying? But >> in accordance with the bylaw, we we

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basically have to provide a it even specifies at the time of occupancy, it has to be a visual barrier. So the density because we've already proposed it to the neighbor to the north. So, we're

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actually planting that with evergreen um trees that basically is denser than it'll need to be weeded out because as these things fill out, they're basically going to outgrow themselves. So, um at

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the time occupants, like I said, we have to provide screening. Now, we initially were proposing that screening to be a fence, but we've already kind of agreed that we're willing to do plantings instead of fence, but that criteria still needs to be met.

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>> But if the trees are on her property, we can't cut the trees down. >> Some of those trees are on our property. >> Some of them are the the the pine trees in that area are the ones that they're probably a foot or two feet into our property. And so and that's what we

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discussed. This will have to this is why when I brought up the the when the line gets staked and when you're going to go for erosion controls having us out there to make sure you know once we see where the line is obviously at that point you know where

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and when you can't what you can and cannot cut it. So for that's going to be an important stage is when we get out there staking the property line and then staking the erosion control and knowing exactly where that line is because if

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the trees are on our property as she you know it you're right we cannot cut them but if >> I mean I don't want to create a problem but I you know it's it's there are so many birds nesting in those trees with like I said my husband is ill. We get up

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in the morning and we sit out there with coffee and we, you know, enjoy nature and there's so many birds and hummingbirds and all kinds of things that nest in those trees and we we need the privacy. >> Mhm. >> I mean, >> and and and I really do understand where

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you're coming. >> Can I just Is that a It's a twostory the the apartments. It's two floors. Yes. >> Yes. >> So, I mean it's >> Yeah. And so, and I understand where you're coming from. I do, but there's

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only so much within the bylaw that we can and cannot require. Um, and that's where I'm trying to work with them to see what we can do. >> I understand. >> And so, I think right now, obviously, anything that's on your property, they cannot cut,

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>> right? So when it comes to pre-construction, when we have our pre-construction meeting, that'll be when we'll go out on site with them, inspect the line and see, you know, if at that point we can save anything. And by, you know, then then at that point

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maybe that'll that'll work. But if there's nothing if it can't be saved, then we don't kind of have the authority to kind of stop to stop that. But where they do seem like they're willing to supplement >> yes

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>> as much as they can and obviously you know the you know would you guys be more to doing the 8 to 10t >> arpitees or something like that as opposed to a 6 to 8t I know it's a little bit more costly but you have that

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already extra two feet already in it will provide her a little bit more screening. Yeah. No problem. We're We We're We're here to make you happy. We We don't I feel bad. I don't I feel bad. I don't I'm not trying to create a problem. I'm just trying to You

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know, we're going through so much right now. We need >> We need as much privacy right now as we can get and >> it's it's the only joy of our day is to sit out there. Mhm.

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>> And to have it taken, it's it's going to be devastating. >> Can you excuse me just a second? You stated pretty unequivocally that that fence was one foot into your property line. >> My husband Yes. And we have we had

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surveyors come out. So I have to survey. Okay. >> As a matter of fact, it's on my back back of my door. Okay. Um, you know, >> we did it because we had dogs and we didn't want the dogs >> roaming, so we just put wire fencing.

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But my husband when he did it said, "I'm bringing this one foot into our property so that there's no >> Mhm." >> You know, >> so I I think the understanding is that in addition to the 6ft fence that the applicant would consider, there are two

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things at the table. One, they're going to double check at the pre-construction meeting and double check to see what trees can be saved on their side of the property. That's number one. And then number two is that they said they would be willing to put 8 to 10 foot our varieties there. >> I think that sounds like a reasonable

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and fair resolution. >> Yes. >> Is that fair? Okay. >> Yeah. >> Did you have any other questions or comments, Mr. Bashar? Um, I did see on the on the site plan it said about the

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photometrics that something about lights no taller than 15 ft do. Are those separate poles or are those on the building itself? No higher than 15 ft. >> No, there's no like >> That was a comment. That was one of my

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comments. Oh, I thought I saw it on the >> No, there's no there's Yeah, there's no actual um there's no light poles on the site. >> Okay. >> There will be lights on the on the actual like above the garage. >> And you said those will be down pointed down >> and those are that's a requirement. All

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any lights that are on the property would have to be downward facing. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Well, thanks for listening. Appreciate >> sharing. I'd like to open up.

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>> I'm sorry. I just got one one thing like because we are at that intersection. I know this is I should have said something earlier. Could you just put a sign in front of the driveway that says don't block the driveway?

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Like simple common sense something. >> There was no common sense in here. >> Do you know what I mean? It's not a bad idea, but not everybody reads and listens to the signs. But it does it can't hurt to try. But >> but I mean one >> because my daughter lives

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>> near on West Main Street down near the >> Mhm. >> where they just put the traffic light is her driveway. Nobody is smart enough to not stop in front of her. She can't get in and out for anything. The kids, for work, for

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anything like crazy. Just a sign. Don't block the brown switch. >> Thank you. Uh like to open up for to Zoom. I believe >> uh Lorena Lorena V. >> I think that's uh Justin.

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>> Yes. Hi. Yeah. Justin on a work trip now. >> Oh, sorry. >> Um I just wanted to say a couple comments. Uh you you were talking about the retaining wall. You're absolutely right. That wall is in really tough shape. Um, if it comes down, that's not

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a problem. There's one tree, I think you guys saw it during the sitewalk last week. There's one tree that the roots are already sort of breaking that wall down uh behind the garage, so I don't think you'll be able to see it. Um, yeah, if you we talked about drafting something and sending it to us to to

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review, that's perfectly fine. Walls in rough shape, to be honest. I would prefer if it was gone anyway. Uh, >> okay. >> And then the other comment was about traffic. So I I live right there and I often see the traffic backing up from

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the train and it has blocked my driveway before. Um, you know, we were you were talking about doing a a traffic study or not. Um, >> please feel free driveway and watch the traffic. It gets pretty bad in the

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morning. Um, it has blocked my driveway before. um which is a little bit annoying, but it is what it is. Um it is worth during the you know the the freight train because people don't know that they can turn right and then go all the way around. Um but it has backed up even

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towards the you know after that paper road it's backed up even there before. Um that was really all I wanted to comment. There's a if you look on the on the street view there's a little almost driveway if you want to park right that side that traffic study. Yeah. Right

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there. It's backed up to there before. Um, feel free to use our our area to to help with the the traffic study. And the only other comment I had is um I was very happy to hear that

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there has been no accidents since the four stop signs. That's awesome because I have seen terrible accidents from right here and heard them too. I will say there have been almost accidents including when I was driving through that intersection. Just so just something to to note. I'm glad it's

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better, but it's definitely not perfect. It's It can be a little scary. I've seen people run those stop signs plenty of times. >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Anyone else? >> Oh, we need a motion to continue.

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Correct. Yeah. So, let's um just figure out >> my suggestion would be at least continuing out a month just to give the uh applicant enough time to

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get their, you know, get a a traffic uh traffic engineer on board, get that um up and running as quickly as they can. My suggestion would be to continue to the first meeting in July, which is July 14th. Um, that would give them enough

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time to get a traffic study, at least something started and a an engineer on board. Um, because there's no reason to continue to the next the next meeting if that's not enough time.

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>> That sounds fair. Okay. >> Yep. All right. Uh then I'll make a motion to continue the um deliberations for the the uh site the hearing for the site plan review and storm water management permit for 20 crot and

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Harvard road to our next planning board meeting on July 14th. Uh no no not the next meeting but the July 14th meeting a month from now. >> Seconded. >> Any further discussion hearing? None. Ken >> I. >> Peter >> I. >> David >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. So

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>> we'll see you in July. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Did we vote to close our family? >> Oh, we did. Okay, great. >> Uh, so that brings us to the senior center. >> Yes. >> All right.

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So, in terms of the senior center, the for this one, the specific um topic that needed to be addressed was traffic. Um the the chief and Matt both

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have spoken with Katie. Um and they're both here. So what I would suggest is kind of having the chief give an update as to where he is on this then having that and then we can get to the decision. >> Chief, if you don't mind.

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>> All right. >> Our conversation we're talking about the traffic intersection. >> We'll let you guys both introduce yourselves again. Absolutely. Chief Rango >> and then >> Oh, Keith Patsy, COA director. >> Thank you. >> And there and um and Matt uh we we've

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been in discussion. >> Yes. And Matt. Yep. >> Yeah. So um so what we were what we brought to the board was um kind of it was almost peripheral to this project. So the uh the in it to use the word

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concern is probably just we'll just use that word for right now. But we wanted to make sure that the town was um uh paying attention to those intersections that as this, you know, as the uh senior center comes online, we're going to have more traffic there. and we wanted to

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make sure that the intersections there were uh appropriate and uh they were you know safe for the increased traffic that we had there. Um and I think and I Matt I don't want to put words in your mouth but um you know we've I think that's where we're that's where we're at is we

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want to make sure that the town as this develops and comes more online that we're ready to you know to improve the intersections within reason. uh making sure we have appropriate signage that you know any type of brush is is squared away um and that uh you know the the the

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the intersection intersection mitigations are are there um you know coming out to Park Street that's our um you know route 2A uh you know a lot of traffic in the mornings and in the afternoons and throughout the day but you know our rush hour is pretty big

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there um in our intersection um with McFersonson Road and West Main Street. It's on a bend. We just want to make sure especially that one and it's and it's like a it's not only a four-way, it's like a fiveway intersection. We have cars going all different ways down there. >> Um so we want to make sure that you know

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that we're we're appropriately looking at these intersections and making them as safe as possible with the resources that we have. >> And I think the town is amanable to that as we're Okay, great. Yeah. >> So that's it. Uh Matt, anything to add?

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Uh, nothing to add. Um, you summed up my concerns precisely, Chief. Just these little signage and any sort of uh, you know, sighteline um, improvements, you know, whether it be remove brush or or

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whatever, anything little any little improvements that can be made within reason was really kind of what I was asking for. And it sounds like the chief as well. And I'm glad that um it it sounds like the committee is amendable to

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um making those, you know, improvements within reason. >> Okay, great. So, how is this formalized in terms of the uh the approval? Is it a condition? Is it in there? What is it? So, um I didn't I didn't have a condition written up because I wasn't

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exactly sure as to what um you know I know they had that they had spoken and I wasn't sure exactly kind of what we were how we wanted to handle it. So, my suggestion would be to um

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craft a craft a special condition that just basically states, you know, the um the applicant, the town um will uh will review and address sight line and

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signage um sight line, traffic sight lines and traffic signage for Bishop Road prior to building um occupancy. >> Yeah. So I Yeah. Uh yeah, we're the applicant. So that's why I was getting

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confused. So we're the applicant. >> Yeah, the town is kind of gets a little >> confusing. Okay. So >> can we actually include that now? So we can So you want to Yes.

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Is it just Bishop Road or is it the Bish Bishop road and the McFersonson West Main Street. Uh >> it would be it would be both not that road. >> Is it McFersonson that Well, McFersonson is the >> past uh maybe Dan Dan or Matt shed some

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light on that intersection. >> Do we need to maybe >> Yeah, I think it's just the Bishop Park Street intersection. >> That's that's definitely us. >> Okay, good. So, it's just the one intersection that we're concerned about

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here. Bishop Park Street Park >> to address it. >> Dan, do you have any insight on the McFersonson West Main intersection? >> You're just looking for the name? >> No. Uh, like we don't have any for any

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type of intersection control over there. That's Is that us or Devon? >> That's Devon. >> Oh. Um, we would have to coordinate with Devons. Yeah, it's weird. They >> we do own the roadway there. They own um you know the the north side and the

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south side of it, but we actually own own the roadway. Um so definitely anything we did, we'd coordinate with them. >> There's a lot of wetlands there, too. I don't know if we can really do anything there. As you're coming up, traveling east on the right after the the storage

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lot, all that in there is wetland. I'm not so not sure how much we could actually trim or or maintain in that area if I'm not mistaken. As soon as there's all kinds of >> Yeah. I mean, I I'm fine with that wordage. I mean, we all know what the

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>> you know what we're trying to do and I think we're we're all on the same page to get there. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And and with wetlands, you know, a lot of times that's exempt um when it's a public safety issue and you're cutting back. But I have to we'll have to just look at exactly what we're doing to make sure we're okay and coordinate with the

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proper entities. If we have to go to Hong Kong, we do. >> Correct. Okay. >> So, what you did, you just put that's what the storm water. >> Yeah. >> Is that what you did? Make sure they're parallel. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Um, so should we start with the site

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plan approval before the storm water? And I believe the first thing is to read to record the findings. >> Yep. >> So, thank you. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Steve. So for the site plan approval for um >> findings it just for one main street the find findings are number one the site

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plan contains a design that has provided the foundation for the air planning board to determine that the requirements standards and guidelines of the town of air site plan regulations subsection 320-3.5.4 of the air zoning bylaws have been met in a satisfactory manner. Two, the air planning board has determined that the

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applicant has demonstrated compliance with the standard for grading and clearing the proposed site set forth within subsection 320- 9.6.2.D. 3. The project site consists of parcel ID number 25-23, which has been subdivided creating lot 1 3.36 acres

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through the ANR process. The ANR plan was endorsed by the is that the correct word or or endorsed by the planning board at their March 24th, 2026 meeting. And finally, number four, the property is located within the general resident zoning district. The property lot one is currently a wooded lot. The proposed

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project is to construct a 13,000 ft² senior center with an associated parking lot, utilities, and amenities. Um, just one waiver request and which I'll read it to the record with its justification. The waiver request is for section 9.1.5.C1.

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Except in an industrial district or the healthcare services district, all street parking spaces shall be located behind or beside the principal structure on the lot. No parking shall be located closer to the front lot line than the front line of the principal building except by special permit from the planning board.

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In granting a special permit, the planning board may impose design, surface treatment, landscaping, lighting, and other requirements to mitigate the visual impact of parking areas on views from the road and may regulate the location of the remaining parking lot to achieve the purposes of this subsection 320-91.

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In no event shall the planning board grant a special permit to locate more than 15% of the required off- streetet parking spaces in front of a principal building with the exception of the formbbased code district. The justification for the request is as follows. The new senior center is not

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designed to serve the general public. It is designed to serve the specific needs of older adults. The proportion of disabled, handicapped, and able-bodied users is not the same as in the general public. Complying with existing zoning would create would create a safety hazard for older adults. Requiring 85%

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of the parking to be in the rear of the building requires older adults up to 40% of whom have mobility related disabilities per the CDC to walk long distances and navigate around the building which is particularly challenging in inclement weather. Placing the parking in the front

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minimizes the distance to the primary entrance significantly reducing the risk of falls and allows the older adult specific safety features of the parking lot to function as designed. The parking lot designed in front of the building is based on one-way traffic through the parking lot to reduce accidents.

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Rearbased parking could necessitate two-way traffic around the building and through the narrow sides of the lot. Two-way traffic is discouraged and senior center designs due to safety. Preliminary meetings at the air fire department and police department yielded approval of the traffic pattern in the front-facing parking lot. Complying with

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zoning creates a greater risk of harm for the older adult population. Any discussion on this waiver request? Can I have a motion? >> Can I make the motion even though I'm not eligible to vote?

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>> No, you are eligible. You You're voting. >> Okay. All right. I'll make I got all confused. >> I I make I I I make a motion to accept uh the senior cent's request uh for a waiver of section 915C1. >> Second.

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>> Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken. >> Yes. On the waiver. >> Uh Pete. >> Nope. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> And the chair votes. Yes. The waiver is uh approved. >> Huh?

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>> What's up? >> She said she got >> So, if you would do me a favor. Yes. >> If you'd bring up the special conditions on the In fact, I'm going to ask you I'm going to ask you to read them for me because you have them on the screen. So, I just want to say I'm going to make a motion for approval of the site plan pursuant to subsection 320-35

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site plan review of air zoning bylaw subject to the standard conditions 1 through35 and special conditions numbered 1 through 4 as follows. >> Which one you uh one through three on the site plan? >> On the site plan, it's it's 1 through

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>> I'm sorry. I modify that please. It's it's standard conditions 1 through 35 or 30 35. >> No. So you had to you had to write. It's the special conditions. >> I know. And then the special conditions just numbered one to three. Okay. That's right. >> And if you would read them for us, sir. >> Yes. So special conditions is the

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applicant shall submit a photometrics plan that complies with the town of air site plan review regulations prior to pre-construction meeting. The permit shall be conditioned on receiving approval from MEPA and MISA. Any major modifications that may come from the process shall require planning board

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approval. The applicant shall work with the DPW and the police department to address traffic sight lines and traffic signage for Bishop Road, Bishop Road, Park Street prior to the issuance of the occupancy. >> Great. >> So, we have the motion.

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>> Yes, >> we have the second. Do we have the second? >> Yes. >> Second. >> Any further disc Julie seconded it, but I didn't I didn't Sorry. Thank you. I willingly second it.

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>> Okay. Any further discussion, >> Ken? >> Yes. On site plan approval, >> Julie? >> Yes. >> And the chair votes I on site plan approval for the senior center. Excellent. Now, we have the major stormwater permit. >> Yes. Right.

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>> And the findings. >> So, this is the major storm water management permit for one main street, the senior center. Street. >> Is that what it it says here? >> It's for zero. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Zero Bishop Road. I'm sorry. I apologize. It's zero. I I misread it. Address the project zero

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Bishop Road, the senior center. My apologies, everyone. >> Um the findings, should I just read them because what's confusing to everybody is the first four are simply why we have a storm water management permit in the first place. They're not You don't have to.

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>> So, I'm going to skip those four. They're all what we have in every storm water management permit. The two findings that are germanine to this >> are the same ones we already read before. >> Yes. Uh I'll just it's the project site consists of parcel ID 2523 which has been subdivided creating lot 1 3.36

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acres through the ANR process which was endorsed by the planning board at our March 24th 2026 meeting. And finally the property is located within the general resident zoning district. Property lot is is currently a wooded lot. proposed project to conduct construct a 13,000 foot square foot senior center with an

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associate parking lot utilities and amenities. Um >> the waiver request is all set. >> The waiver request is we only had to vote on that one. So we don't have to do that again. That's set. And I believe uh so that means I can move into the motion. >> I can read the special condition cuz this has four

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>> one. Yeah. One this one has one additional one that's not on the second. >> Okay. So, uh, I'm going to make the motion and then, uh, I'm going to turn it over to Danny to read the special condition. >> One's a second. >> So, first, let me make the motion >> and then when we have after the second,

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we can read them. So, I make a motion for approval this of the site plan. I'm sorry, for the major storm water, you got to >> Thank you, >> dude. Okay. So, motion for the approval of the major stormwater management. >> Is that a permit? Is that the right

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word? Uh pursuant to is that correct? Yep. Subsection 245-5 and six storm water management air general bylaws subject to standard conditions 1 through 5 35 and special conditions numbered 1 through 4 to be read in the record by the town planner.

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Do I have a second? >> Seconded. >> Now you can read it right. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> All right. And so the additional one that we have on this one is the certificate of completion shall be recorded at the Middle Sex South

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Registry of Deeds by the owner and a copy of the recorded decision shall be submitted electronically to the planning department. >> Hold on a second. So certificate of completion. >> Yep. There's a certificate of completions that's required under the storm water.

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>> Yes. >> Quite a decision. So >> the certificate of completion basically gets recorded. >> Yeah, but it doesn't it says the recorded decision. What did you say the record? >> I mean actually if you go back to the

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site I mean did was it note in there to record this? It's in the general general conditions right >> and uh we did read the other two the phototric and the approval of mea misa we already read those two. Okay good >> we read them on the site plan. Okay,

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great. Any further deliberation hearing? None. Ken >> I on major storm water management permit. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. The major stormwater management permit is approved for um the senior center. >> Okay. >> And uh we now we need a motion to close.

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I I make a motion to close the public hearing for um zero Bishop Road Senior Center. >> Second. >> Any further discussion hearing? Can everyone vote on this or just the three of us? Ken >> I. >> Julie. Yes, >> chair botai. It is closed.

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>> Congratulations to the senior center and everyone who worked so so so hard on it so far. And I know there's much more hard work, but this is a significant uh milestone. So, congratulations on this. I know a lot went into this. Thank you. Um

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project status update, sir. >> Yes. >> One second. Okay. All right. Project status update on Lincoln Hill. Um, so this is the update that I received from Janet Field. Um,

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the foundations have been started for the first two homes. >> Wow. >> Framing for Adam. Three Adam Lane is scheduled for next week and two Adam um Lane uh paving of road still on schedule for 6:22.

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Water, sewer, and storm water utility work within the development is completed. The retention pond will have the new media installed once the roadway is paved and the storm water system is operational. Uh underground utility work on High Street is complete with the exception of

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National Grid. Um we'll be installing a new pole on the corner of Windsor and High Street and underground service will go from there to the development. Water tap and um water tap was done on Grten Harvard

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Road. Next are sewer and storm water. The storm water improvements designed by Matt um at the TOA R V TOA I think it's must be VA are now approved

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and will be the um and will be the final step in the storm water control installation for the project. Final lom and the seed um final lom and seed of the utility easement down Graten Harvard Road will take place prior to 6:22.

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>> Great. I think the site project to build a parking lot appears to be complete. >> It's been done for >> Right. But wait a couple weeks. Did we have a final walk through on that or you did a final walk through and approved it? Are they as planned or >> We haven't received the asmo plan yet. That's >> okay.

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>> Yeah. Once we get the final as plans, then we'll do our final walk through >> as of now. They still have to do their um they haven't done I don't think all of the books done. >> It might they might have everything completed. Um I'll double check with

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them, but we still need the as >> Okay. >> Sorry. Would that have to wait for the plantings to take before you can sign off on that? >> No. No, we would sign off on that if they

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the um there's a I'm sure with their nursery there the nursery covers it for 2 years when they're installed. Yeah, we in order in in the order conditions if there was one there would because that's that has to do with the wetlands and stuff under under ours we

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don't have that but nurseries usually cover it for 2 years. Um so that's where we are with uh Lincoln Hill. Um >> it looks like the Graten Haven Road where more of it has been done just in the last couple of days. So they

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>> yeah drainage silver the last water one of them >> they're moving along very fast >> in the last few days >> very very fast >> is Matt still up there >> yes >> this has to do it's related to to Lincoln Hill but it's not exactly Lincoln Hill this is the work within the graten road

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>> where they were going to work with DPW to import you know improve some existing piping >> and then the DPW was working with Mr. is it Flynn >> Mr. Anything further on that, >> Matt? Is there um anything you can uh

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speak on that one? >> Yes. Um so the the plan to improve the the drain piping in the street. Um that will be happening um along with the the water and sewer work um for the Lincoln

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Hills project and the work on private property. I I have met with with the property owners. They are amendable um just to some minor improvements into that drainage easement. So I'm handling um that part of it independently from

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the the Lincoln Hills project. So that will be happening at a later date. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Can I ask Matt a question while he's here? >> Matt, are you still there? >> Oh, this pump. >> Yes. Yep.

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>> Um I have a couple questions about the rightway uh sewer pump. >> Sure. >> Do you have an update on It's been a lonely lonely site. >> It has. It's been one of the more frustrating projects that been a part

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of. Um >> I do have an update. Um uh the startup and testing of that pump station. Um we have a date. Um, it's not 100% set, but it it's tentative for uh

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starting up that station end of next week. >> The the testing starts end of next week, or you might be setting it actually up the end of next week. >> I I guess I don't know what testing is. I'm sorry. >> We're we're still setting up the the

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actual date for this work. >> Okay. Uh for the startup and testing of it. Um, but right now we're it it looks like it might happen end of next week. And really once that once that part of the work's done, then

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everything um that's been disturbed on that property can get restored and uh we can actually get the project closed out. >> I think our biggest concern is still the generators. They're just very loud. Um so if that starts the end and next that

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might mean that generators could be stopped. >> Um, not necessarily. So, when the pump station once we actually have that up and running, >> we're going to that run for a week just to make sure everything's actually

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working. >> Yeah, I appreciate that. >> Yeah. Uh, just be, you know, we're going to do that before we make the decision to disassemble all the temporary generators and pumps. And the question I was asking last time is

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>> do you know why it beeps? >> But I I'm sorry it's very loud and it's at different times of the night like in the middle of the night and there seems to be no reason. Is it the generator that is beeping or >> Yeah, probably. >> Is it to alert you of something or is it

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>> Yeah. >> Um that I'm not 100% sure of. I haven't heard it. Um, but I will uh >> I I don't think it's any sort of alarm.

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>> Okay. It's just very loud in the middle of the night. So, if if that's anything that could I know it's the end supposedly, but we thought that before. So, if you could just pass that along that, I would appreciate it. >> That sure >> the the beeping is something else.

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>> Thank you. >> Any other project updates, Danny? Um, so right now, um, >> not much of a project status update on, um, Stratton Hill. I know Heather's going to be going out there next week.

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>> No, tomorrow or Thursday. >> Tomorrow or Thursday to because of the update with the turtle nesting habitat stuff. Um the uh there's internal talking over there about some possible

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redesign, but we'll if if they come to us, we'll we'll deal with that then, but as of right now, it's kind of just they're looking at it. >> Um and it just has to do with driveways. Um, the other thing is the um

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trying to think if there's anything else by the transfer station. >> The transfer station. Oh, that one. They're currently just still working. I mean, they're still working on the inside. Um, what was her name? Tina had Tina Tina.

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>> Tina retired. Um, so like things kind of slowed down a bit, but um, Lim Hut, I spoke with him. He stated that the northern portion of the driveway, the one that's kind of, uh, blocked off right now, they're anticipating paving

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soon with this weather now that they can get that done. So, the anticipation is to get that done as well as the um, rain guard, not a rain garden, >> bio retention area. >> Bio retention area. That's it. That's that's the next those are the next two things that need to be done. But right

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they've been working a lot of on the internal stuff. Um same with NOA. It's all internal right now. There's there's not really much going on outside. There there is some stuff that um they still need to do the force main

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which I believe is being worked on through the DBW. There's an I think an MOA being worked out with that on on that. Um there's there's still quite a bit of stuff that they need to do for that. Um

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and 42 Park Street, I did reach out again for an update. I haven't heard back, but um trying to hear when that's going to get finalized. Um there are some potential projects that are going to be coming down the road. Oldtown Village I anticipate most

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likely will be coming in the next month or so um with a proposal for a new building. The um there's a potential for 44 Park Street coming in with another site plan. Um that is the old red building, the the

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laundromat that's an antique store. Um there's potential uh with I'm hoping within the next couple of months for 190 West Main Street as well. Um and >> the uh so 50 Jackson Street, 64

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Littleton Road, those two have um their decisions are all set. Those are going to be sent out to the applicants so that they can get those get those two started. Um as well as um the uh senior center, not the senior center.

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Yes, the senior centers pawn street. >> Oh jeez. Yeah. So, there was a little bit of a snafu. Um, site work commenced without um the decision being recorded or pre-construction meeting where we have a meeting tomorrow to kind of get

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this >> where Pawn Street >> 18 Pawn Street where the the senior housing is. >> Oh, okay. >> So, that was a project, but you came here. >> Yeah. So, there was a little bit of a snafu. Um, we have a meeting tomorrow to kind of get it all in order. Um, and you

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know, the big thing for us was to not um, uh, hinder the senior center anymore than it already has been. Um, so we're not, it's not a complete shutdown. We're just, we're going to work with them to try to get this up and running as quickly as they can so that there's no

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hold up on the senior center. I I don't really want to hold them up and that's >> that's the only reason. >> Okay, good. Um, other than that, that's kind of it right now. >> Okay, good. >> Um, is there any other projects the board wants looking into?

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>> The Yahoo thing. He's he's got the two houses up down there on Pine Street. >> Pine Street. So, yeah, he's done pretty much. >> He's almost done. Yeah, there's there's there's some additional work that they still need to do. Um, they've done all of the, you know, the

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utility work on Third Street and all that stuff. That's all been basically all been completed for um but yeah, there's not a lot there's not that much left to do. Um I haven't had a they they

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haven't had me out there for any inspections and I haven't heard anything about a final as built yet. So where that is I'm not sure. >> Okay. >> In terms of the final as >> I just said one final thing. Sorry. And so it was interesting that the the chief had a condition for the parking lot on

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Park Street. >> Yes. >> But when I saw that it dawned on me we should is that elsewhere in our general conditions? I mean it should all We all know that they get details for every construction job. >> When we have a construction job that has

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to work in the street >> that they have to get a detail. >> So should we have it in every in our general conditions and just get it over with? Maybe you can. >> That's actually a good idea. Like how you how you put that in the general. >> Yeah, why not get it over with?

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>> The chief did state that, you know, in his email to me, he did state he's like, I don't know if this is, you know, if this is self-implied or this is automatic, but I it makes sense because, you know, we've we've had our runin so far with,

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you know, projects >> needing constru, you know, needing traffic management. I think you're right. I think I'll review our conditions and if I think going forward if it's not in there, you know, specifically called out, make sure that

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it is specifically called out. >> Then it's done. >> Then it's done. Exactly. >> Okay. >> Cuz we did on 63 Main Street, we also required a traffic management plan on that one. And so yes, I think going forward a traffic management plan should

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be required as a condition in the sense of if you know traffic is going to be impeded and I think we write it in a way that it leaves it open to keep it general enough that not you know because not every

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project's going to be it. >> Good. Great. Um, Ken and Julie, did you have a chance to look at the May 5th me meeting minutes? >> I did. I did. >> There was uh the So, the comment that Jonathan had, I we I we did get that

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fixed. >> All right. >> The the comment was in regards to >> I'll read it to the record. So, the original um >> on page three originally, it said Mr. Ruiz said the board cannot condition the project for the condition and possible failure as it is outside the scope of

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the project. So that's been corrected to read. Mr. Ruiz said the board could place a condition on on the project for possible failure as it is outside of the scope of the project. So that's been corrected. >> Yeah. >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the

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May 5th, 2026 air planning board meeting minutes. >> Seconded. >> Any further discussion? >> Ken, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Julie, >> yes. >> And chair votes I. It is approved. The reason the other two members didn't vote cuz they weren't members yet when this meeting occurred. Correct. >> Thank you.

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>> Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Can I just ask a quick question? I'm It's a fast one. The next meeting I have a personal conflict that might be coming up. Do we either have a big agenda or does anyone else have personal conflicts? Just >> So, so as of right now, we don't have anything on the agenda. And that's just

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as of right now. Now, if if something comes in before, so typically I don't allow anything past the Tuesday before the meeting. >> Legally, I have to accept an ANR

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up to 48 hours prior to the the posting of the agenda. >> Okay. >> Um or the the prior to the meeting. So if I get an ANR before then then yes the you know I can let you know about that

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but as of right now we don't have anything. So it might be a either cancellation or if the board has something they want to start you know talk about master plan something like that I don't know whatever you don't

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>> at this point we can kind of >> we're at the summer >> it's summer >> and I think it would be also good if >> if anyone's knows that they're not going to be here for a summer meeting it would be good if you can let me know ahead of

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time just so that we can um let any applicants know as well. Um I know summer people are traveling, you know, vacation, it's that time of the year. So just a heads up, anything between, you know, now and and the end of August

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would be helpful. >> Thank you. >> Want you to check. >> Good night, everybody. Angus, thank you very