Welcome everybody to the uh Airtown uh conservation commission meeting for Thursday, October 9th, 2025. Um in attendance we have George Bacon, member, Jenna Maya, member
Heather Hamson, conservation agent, Jessica Gino, member clerk, >> although I'm passing it over. and myself Mark Phillips um vice chair serving as chair tonight for this meeting John Schwenberger is absent for tonight
and looking at our agenda uh first item is approval of the agenda. Do we have any changes or adjustments? >> The only item we have to change on the agenda is the agenda that was posted had a note stating that the the um hearing tonight was had a request to be
continued. That is not the case. I realized that today. it was too late to amend the agenda, but I did let the butters know that the item would be discussed and they had no concerns. >> So, the one that was posted >> like online the town website >> had a little thing in parenthesis saying
that it was a continuation >> and it's different than what >> it's different than what we have here. But, Got >> I did reach out to the neighbors and they were okay. >> All right. Fix my problem, my issue. >> Proactive. Appreciate that. Um, okay. Okay. So, with that, outside of that change, um, do we have approval of the
agenda as updated for tonight? >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose. Nay. >> Passes unanimously as John would say. Uh, next item is approval of the meeting
minutes from September 25th, uh, 2025. Uh, everybody get a chance to peruse them, take a look, any issues, any concerns, any adjustments. No. Okay. Hearing none, um, we get a um,
approval of the meeting minutes from September 20 25th. Motion for the approval of the minutes from September 25th. >> As written. as written. >> So, >> second. >> All in favor say I. I oppose. Nay.
>> Passes unanimously. All righty. So, with that, uh, let us open the public hearing, the continued public hearing for the notice of intent, D file number 100-0500, creative materials, 12 Willows, Willow
Road. Um, guys want to come on forward. >> Absolutely. I won't put the screen on until we advance. >> Yeah, take the two cushies. Go ahead. >> Me focused. Got to get out of this chair.
>> Uh, good evening. For the record, Jim Basil, Goldmith, Preston, Ringwald, GPR. >> All right. Can you spell names? >> Oh, sure. Um, Basil, B A S I L E. >> And you're with >> uh Goldsmith, Preston, and Ringwald or GPR.
>> Sorry. No, no problem. >> Limotiv L I M H U O T last name Tiv T I V >> and the um the applicant uh Joe Morano of Creative Materials is also present. Um, so since it's been a little while
since our last presentation, I'm thinking that I will just give a brief summary of the project again and then if there's not any follow-up comments, we'll get into the uh comments from D and Heather and how we um addressed it and any revisions to the plan. >> Yeah, that sounds perfect. Yep. Speed
and then let us know what changes and how we're addressing. That'd be great. Thanks. be able to right now. >> I can I just It creates a lot of background noise. So, I'm trying to to help the the um AP pack out and not put it on, but if we need to, I can put it
on. >> Okay. >> Okay. I think if we when we need to use it, we'll just do it for the plans to help with that issue. >> Figure it out. >> Absolutely. Um so, uh again, Jim Bile GPR um on behalf of Creative Materials prepared a notice of intent for the
property at 12 Willow Road for work within the uh jurisdictional resource areas. Um the property uh 12 road is um partially developed as the um headquarters of uh creative materials. The uh site contains a uh roughly 24,000
square foot uh building that is mix of office, lab and warehouse space. Uh it has a existing parking area to the uh north and west side of it which is accessed via a driveway off of Willow Road. Um, the driveway also extends
around to the east side of the building where there are two truck loading bays for regular truck deliveries. And there's also a packed uh gravel uh pavement area that trucks will uh come and turn around to be able to back into
the loading bays. Um there's a few resource areas associated with this property. There is um a zone A um located to the north of the property. Um there's also the unnamed um unnamed
stream I think that feeds into Bennett's Brook uh which is classified as a um perennial stream that projects a 100 foot and 200 foot rearfront area onto the property. There's also two bordering vegetated wetlands on the um the limits
of the property. one smaller one located on the western portion of the property and one located along the northern property line. This one uh a little bit larger, but both of those project a 50-ft no disturb buffer zone and 100 foot buffer zone onto the property. So
ultimately it kind of limits where we can uh expand the development and uh creative materials. They've been here since uh 2011. their business has been growing to the point that, you know, they'd like to stay at the property and that requires them to construct this uh
warehouse approximately 1,900 uh sorry 19,550 ft. Uh this would be located on the east face of the u existing building which its location is where the trucks come in to do their turnarounds before backing
in. So, this also requires a need to increase the pavement area so that the trucks have an area for turn around. Um, couple of the changes that we had made since last time, just to kind of point them out, and then I'll get into them a little bit more later on, was um we had
received uh feedback about the uh the limits of the pavement and its relation to the 50oot no disturb zone. Um the conservation commission asked us to uh review if a uh retaining wall would help limit the amount of disturbance in that area. Uh we did take a look at that and
it would seem that a retaining wall in that area would help limit the amount of grading there. So we have one proposed in there. Now, that did slightly um end up uh adjusting the pavement to come out a few extra feet just to give some margin of error for truck turning since
we went from a uh gradual slope to now have a about 11t tall wall. So, there is that difference over in that area. And then uh following a sitewalk with the conservation commission, uh we did take a look at the um I think the southeast
corner of the development to see if we could tighten up the grading as well as uh move the uh dumpster pad so that we could reduce the amount of clearing and also just kind of limit the amount of disturbance in that area. So we did take a look and do that. Um, we also did
locate um the large trees that are 6 in or greater in height and we have those shown within the uh limits of the disturbance on the property. Um I think that's the majority of >> um with the um with the location of the
trees. We also did a tree count. I think in total we took out uh 20 trees within the bucket limit and we provided m u uh compensatory planting of shrubs, trees and and plant um that are shown on our
landscaping plan that was submitted as part of the revised material. Um, just to kind of talk a little bit more about that retaining wall, we did, like Jim said, we did bump it out a little bit, bump out the pavement width a little bit just because we tried, you know, again, trying to give a little bit of margin
area for the the vehicles that are turning in this area just because, >> sure, >> very steep. And you also want to give a little bit of shoulder for the actual gargo that you're putting in. Just make sure that you know it has enough um uh force so that you know or enough earth
in there so that it doesn't just give way as soon as somebody gets into it. >> Right. Right. >> Um that's that's kind of the uh the major changes that we want to point out. Um and just to give a very brief update just because we went before uh planning
board as well and we did have a sitewalk with planning board members. Um you know really the the biggest thing that may be worth mentioning is addressing the comments from DBW engineer regarding the question about the existing basin.
Ultimately, it was assessed um that you know this is a site that's been here for a very long time. It has no drainage issues. It seems like the infrastructure that that are in place have been working pretty well and have been maintained for all these years.
um for us to look at the existing basin that is within the wellin area. Anything that we want to do within that area, you have to provide compensatory um uh wetland replication because you're essentially filling in well in the area
to even get to do anything at that point. Um which is why we have a waiver for the storm to address specifically the storm water. you know, we are reducing the overall runoff peak runoff rates going into the wellin area, but
we're also capturing um and treating the existing flow that's going into the CVS unit for the existing system that's on site right now. So, we are providing drainage improvement. It's just that to be able to assess it for
the entire site per the stormwater regulations would be too cost prohibitive and would it would be trying to fix something that isn't broken and it's been there for 20 years. That's kind of the uh conversation
behind it. Um, if there's uh no follow-up questions to, you know, about the uh site, uh we can get into the comments from Heather and then DPW as well. >> Do we have a hard copy of the plan if we
if we're not going to pop that up? Just >> I'm hoping to see like a before and after with the the pavement grading. I did not get a chance to see that on my iPad. I couldn't >> I couldn't get it zoomed in. I don't know if it's going to have I don't know if they did a originally
approved and then the new but >> they do have the old one here in the half size. So let me see >> 3 ft at the closest to the resource area and then like 5t outside the resource area. So >> I do have the old plan but it's kind of
what you're looking for. [Applause] I mean I can I I can [Applause] I think at this point you might as well
>> No, I just want to get I just want to give them fair. [Applause] I have the I have the color plans on the on the screen. Is it okay if we do that Barry for a moment? >> Yeah, sure.
>> Okay. All right. It is in the paper copy. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it wasn't in the color and I sent myself. I had to email it to my teacher. [Applause] [Applause] Is the landscape in this packet?
>> Yes. You know, we had chatted about those calls. Cedars, not cedars. What are they? varieties. >> Yeah, they're I think >> Mhm. >> Um is it possible that those could be utilized? And then I guess also what
about up in here? Seems to be quite quite the spot from the from the neighbors with regards to things that are going to be pulled out of here out of this area and such. >> I don't think um this section right here. Um yeah, I mean
we we are clearing quite a bit there and I think ultimately you know the when we were out there with the planning board members um Danny actually had made a suggestion about um getting an arbur involved during the clearing of the trees. >> Okay.
>> Um ultimately looking at those trees right now a lot of them are very >> very skinny. >> Sure. and falling over. So, I like to say like this is as much as we're clearing, but ultimately >> okay.
>> But not not a whole lot we can do is an area where we need to try to maintain. Yeah, I guess and again just my opinion, but I you know in the event those are coming down they're you know just nuisance you know in the way while
you're constructing stuff I'm thinking more again from what we had heard from neighbors and all was okay now I've got another basically the building size is practically doubling >> right so um while there's not really a lot of tree covering honestly
from what I saw >> um the fact that there's now this massive building there just that's you know obtrusive. Yeah. So that's what I'm thinking, you know, just something that covers it and it covers it all year round, not just deciduous, you know. So something something like those arbories
that deer don't seem to want to nibble on them. I don't know why. They nibble on all the emerald ones I've seen, but they don't seem to like eat these things. They grow fast. They're bushy. And I think you could selectively plant those. Almost like blocking out the whole addition, honestly, is what it
seemed like. So just something I would like to be considered. >> Possible. >> I would say that you know we can certainly um discuss it a little more and have that guess have the talk. Um well I think my biggest concern is that the trees that we're taking out at
that area sits probably about roughly about 15 feet lower than the grade at the uh property line. >> So we are taking out the trees the lower trees. Mhm. >> We're more concerned about if we're talking about screening, we should be
concerned about the screening for the upper level if I'm understand that correctly. Right. >> So, you know, it might be a conversation of providing some abites along the property line, but on the upper side rather than the lower side.
>> Yeah. And that'd be >> I think whatever, like I said, it makes sense. It helps. I know these things grow pretty darn quickly. Yeah. you know, a couple feet a year actually, you know, which is generally >> we'll have to take a look at that. I'm not sure. I can't remember how it looks like at that section. It's at the top
level. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We'll have to see and go check it out. If we can make that accommodation just to add a few, we'll we'll try to do so. >> Okay. Okay. Um, so you wanted to go through >> Yeah, we're going through comments.
>> Sorry. [Applause] if you want for a matter of time just because I think the comments I initially gave to to the planning board in regards to the project have basically been addressed that they the most outstanding concern and issue we have is in regards
to the um the riverfront area and the um what is in the application of as um degraded area and and that that that's the outstanding I think concern that um and question that I have in regards and same with D was their main comment um in
theirs which was their comment three. So I think >> okay >> if if that's just if if that's fine with you guys to just if ones that aren't really outstanding so much anymore to just focus on the ones that are um and the and yeah so I had we went out on the
site today um just because the the question of the degraded area comes up of what is a degraded area >> riverfront area. So, I just wanted to go back out on site and physically see it because when we went out for the sitewalk, we didn't really spend that much time in that area. I don't think it's very much we didn't really have it
mapped out to show where it was. So, we went back out and looked at it today. >> So, um just very quick, we did show the degraded area. Okay. >> Um could you bring that up? Just want to point out >> Can I bring it? Yeah, I can. I just I
accidentally closed it. So, get to give me a sec. Was it the graded area? Was that the area that had all the kind of >> junk >> leftover stuff from before? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Where all the Well, the golden rod and stuff was growing.
>> Okay. And we were looking for the the outfall and such. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> All right. >> What page it's on? >> It should be really on any page. try to save time. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Just in a matter of saving time before I make like that. Here we go. [Applause]
what is newly degraded and what is being rehabilitated and it's not large but it is a 20 foot 20 square foot decrease in the area. So we are meeting that one to one >> essentially we're not counting the area
that we're putting in new pavement as what we're restoring. Okay. But you're restoring more because you're making the slope more gentle. Is that essentially the idea? >> Okay. >> It's just it's a little confusing on my
I I'm just trying to get a better understanding of it from from D on it just to ensure that I'm >> and I guess I don't remember it. But so there actually were trees on it. >> Yeah. I we I went out there today to to verify it because see it's degraded. I'm like well it's vegetation there.
degraded. Um, and there is there's there and the only place that doesn't have vegetation growing is under the tree canopy >> because obviously you're not going to get stuff growing there. But in regards when you read how uh 10.585 reads, it's just ask the top soil and yeah, in order
to do top I mean you could ask them to do soil test to prove that there's no actual top soil there. I mean there is vegetation but does that mean it's top soil? So you'd have to do the make sure you have that or that or that organic layer and it it's not really there whether it's the entire sections they're
claiming is degra. I don't. >> Okay. >> So I've always understood a top soil as layers six to 12 inch of organic that is free of debris >> as well as junk. >> Yeah.
>> Um that's how I always look at it. Um, we had a similar project in Whan that got approved and built very recently at 129 Boston Post Road in Wayland. Um, very similar to this one. They have very
area and it's a great area backard. >> The backyard was being used as I guess overflow parking because this gravel just kind of all over right up to the area. Part of the application process with
that was making sure that the area is degraded and even though yes there are grass growing through it because they only use it very seasonally. It is still considered area under D because there's no u you
know absence of top soil basically. Um you know we had we had to go through that determination for as well. Um just to kind of give a an example. Um as far as the trees, um
this mound or this degraded area has been there for over 30 years now. So I would imagine that in a span of 30 years, of course, you know, trees or whatever can sprout up. Um but you know,
the to quote um Dr. Ian Malcolm, you know, life finds a way. So >> I I 100% agree. I just I just I have to read what the paper says in black and white and that's where I have the question to EP just to be like to make sure we're going by the appropriate section and if we are going by F that
that is we're allowed to to grant you the ability to take those trees out. >> And I think it's a fair question to ask as well. Um and again as I said to Heather didn't in the field you know the only thing we asked is that um we've always been told by DP and their circuit
writer that DPS give their comments and then they go away. They don't >> they don't do a follow-up. They don't >> how you get from us. >> Yeah. So I would just ask that you know any any determination or um I just hope that
it's not additional comments that we have to address further and furthermore um I want to almost direct my question to the commission members you know what do you guys think because ultimately it is the commission
that has to vote on this you know do >> do you believe that the explanation that was provided makes sense or and again I don't mind if we push it to the next meeting to so that Heather can get clarification. I just want >> Yeah, I think that's Well, that's going to be a given. >> Yeah,
>> we want to make sure she gets her right >> clarification on that before we rule on it or vote on it. Rule vote on it. You know what I mean? Um but yeah, I I mean, yeah, I'm definitely interested to understand what's in there. And I'm sure it's not great stuff, so I'm all for
having it removed and, you know, top soil, whatever, you know, good stuff put back in. So, um, that's kind of where my I would probably sit. George, >> I agree. >> Yeah. So, like I said, who knows what was 30
years ago. And >> hopefully, you only find >> human kind of stuff. >> I mean, out there today looking down the hill, like down the hill, there's definitely, I don't know, a washing machine or some square metal box down the end of that slope there. I don't
know what it is. I guess I'm pretty pretty okay get rid of a tree to get a >> No, and I No, I I agree that it is going to restore the pro. I just want to I just know that like I just want to make sure that I'm reading this right and the
plans and everything the explanation. >> No, I totally support you. I mean, yes, I let's get it clear, but >> at the end of the day, I think kind of what said, okay, these are our comments. Yep. >> Take them for what you you know what you and go ahead and decide what you want to do. So yes, implement as you see fit
basically, right? >> Mhm. >> So >> um Okay. Uh anything else you want to before we go around talk about other questions from others? >> You're good. Okay. >> Do you have any comments or question?
The the 50 foot wave, no disturb waiver, um the addition of the training wall did push that back some, but they're still doing work within the 50 do not disturb area. >> Okay. I guess we can uh explain that a little bit the
>> design behind that a little bit. So we did put in the wall because we do we do think that is it is a very good suggestion um as an alternative >> because it does limit the amount of trees and doing general in that area. >> Um the problem is following the criteria of the
restoration of the degraded area. They don't want to see you just take out this mound and then just put a wall next to it because then you'll have a sharp drop, >> right? >> That water over time will surely scour that area. Um then you have to put down
rip wrap and it's a whole different story. >> They don't want to see gentle slope and the benefit of having that gentle slope is that you know you get the strip of roughly about I want to say 50 ft of grass filter. M >> so grass filter strip has always been known on the mass storm water handle
book to provide very good TSS removal um or just removal of loot in general before going into the well area. >> So we look at that as something that you know we want to do we are required to do per the restoration area.
Um, and in doing so requires you to tie back the grade associated with that gentle slope to your wall. >> And that grading assoc associated with that gentle slope going back to your wall is still within the 50 foot disturb.
Can't really do much about it unless we want to wall it all the way essentially. >> All right. Thanks for the explanation. Appreciate that. >> Anything else you want to have? Oh, that that was it. I just wanted to make sure
you wanted to to just go over that cuz that's one of the determinations you have to make in order to move this application forward is to grant to approve the waiver. >> So along with the order at some point. >> Okay. So assume we continue to next meeting. >> Correct.
>> You get your answers from D. >> We vote separately on the waiver and then >> Yes, you vote separately on the waiver and then you order you issue the order. >> Okay. Okay. All right. And we can do all of that. You can do all that next meeting. You can do one tonight or both next meeting.
>> I guess I prefer just waiting for next meeting. You >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yes. We'll just wait on that anyway. So, um Okay, George, any I guess final questions you have? >> No. Um just on D's
last comment number five deed restriction memorialism alteration all that stuff is >> yes >> is is already done or >> no that's a condition that we can put on there right >> um that's per the act that allows us to
do a ded restriction to to put that restriction on it that the property cannot have any more >> work further into the riverfront area. >> Okay. So we can look at drafting some sort of condition to that point of what percentage or or what you'd like to see.
>> Okay. >> But that is a condition we can put on the on the >> and when they say restrict deed restriction that memorializes the limit of alteration. >> Mhm. >> By saying memorialize that that essentially makes it perpetual. Correct.
>> Yeah. That's right, the dude restriction. So, it follows the property, not the own, not the um the current owner. Okay? >> So, if the current owner decides to sell and a new owner comes in and says, "Oh, I want to expand even more." It's it's on the deeds. They they they cannot. >> Okay.
>> So, basically, we should >> okay with that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Is which direction? Just in the back, right? >> Yeah. Towards the river. >> Yeah. Making sure >> you're just going to replicate the conditions. Yeah.
So it's it's in there under the section 10.58. It's the issue authority can um consider compliance to request a um some sort of you know there's different things we can do on there. So we we can >> put that on there. >> Okay. >> Um I've only ever done them with septics
before. >> But yeah, >> cool. >> The buffer is already there. I'm restricted already. I think by by the well of protection, right? Because we're already locked into what we have. >> Yeah.
>> Yes. It's just it's one further layer of protection. >> Yeah. So, let's say next time we vote to say we provide the waiver. >> Mhm. >> Somebody doesn't come back and say, "Well, you gave them a waiver before. Give me another one."
>> That's it. Right. Um so then moving down to number four in that number five. So then four says perpetual conditions for on andm plan activities. >> Mhm. >> Why does that not get tied into the deed then? So that the onm activities
>> thems is is are recorded to that the registry of deeds are already per the stormwater um regulations the town. So the orn plans already recorded um >> so they would transfer to a new owner is >> correct. Yeah that they're already
recorded per our regulations. So we we wouldn't have to make that a condition because per the planning board's regul stormwater regulations the on andm plans already recorded. >> Thank you for clarifying. All right. Um other questions? Yes.
>> Jen, >> you good? >> Mhm. >> All right. Once I get a better grip on all this stuff and get all the outstanding questions answered, I'm good. >> So, can we uh uh we have a motion to continue
public hearing notice of intent to EP file 100-0500 for creative materials 12 Willow Road to our next meeting which would be October 23rd. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> 2025. >> Second.
>> All in favor say I. I >> I oppose. Nay passes unanimously. >> Thank you very much for your time, >> gentlemen. >> I really don't like that chair. >> That would never happen with wheels.
>> All righty. >> Thank you. >> Uh I lost my agenda. >> Did you steal the George? >> Conservation updates. >> Conservation updates. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Next agenda. Conservation updates. Have
at it. >> Um so, uh we had Newton Street obviously last Saturday. Um >> thank you everybody for stopping by. U >> what? >> Great work on that. >> Oh, thank you. Um we we we gave out lots of stickers and um seeds to people. Uh,
a lot of people didn't want to take seeds cuz they had tried before and they didn't get them to take, but I said, "But they're free, so you can try again." Um, nobody took your your water jug cuz they all already had some, >> but they all took the directions on how to do them because I said they had a
hard time with it. I go, "Well, you can try them. Start them inside in a greenhouse in your house over winter and then plant them." >> Oh, that's a good idea. So, um, hopefully we see a lot more wild flowers popping up around. >> You just recycled all the bottles. >> Yes, I I left them for the for a DJ to for the DPW to take to bring to the
transfer, recycled them. Um, >> yeah, it's funny. I had the I had the bag of them >> and then my wife was like, >> "You got a whole garbage pan or garbage full of them, too." Like I had a whole another pan. I was like, "Oh, I forgot about those. I had like another, you
know, well, not 30, probably." So, I'm like, "Let's just give her." >> Yeah. So, that that went well. Um, we did get another person that would be willing to volunteer for um, pocket forest stuff too, which was nice. Um, so that was fun. Tuesday, I had gone to
a public forum for the rail trail. DCR is going to be re basically reconstruct, not really reconstruing, like they're going to redo the the rail that's river rail trail. Um, so they were looking for public input um on that.
>> Um, and I have the ability to have it in two spots or work here in air and live peril. So, um, some of the suggestions I gave them more or less on a conservation standpoint were to have educational signs throughout the rail trail of, I don't know, wetlands or plants
identifications would probably be helpful to people given that they like to state that this is a rail trail that's got fronted by water, but yet there's no information of the benefits of wetlands. I thought that'd be important. Um and second, um like I said on a conservation standpoint because of
where I think it's air solar one, air solar 2 are basically separated by uh James Brook and and all the wetlands that when they go through and assess the coverts and stuff in there that they might want to and we have all that beaver activity over there that they might want to check the size of that
culvert and make sure it it's large enough if it doesn't need to be extended. Um, just because I know Air Solar One has been flooded out before the access in Rosewood has gotten flooded that it's only a matter of time before they keep going up upstream into
another direction. So, um, and, uh, just other suggestions about having signage for our lovely one here, cuz I'm like it just ends >> in air and there's no anything. It's just like >> you hit Main Street and that's it. It's like what happened?
So hopefully they look into that. Um they will be doing a public um so that was a public forum. They will do a public comment period on that and and if I get word on when that is um I will send that information for you all if you want to make any comments.
In regards to the rail trail um um we've given uh the planning board has not met since we had our last meeting to on the conservation restriction for Lincoln Hills. >> Um so they'll be discussing that on Tuesday. Um it is in the the drafti in
the draft decision that um the commission would hold the the CR given that there is open space um public open uh public access with the possibility of betrayal on there and then possibility um reimbursement for maintenance on that
that those are conditions within the decision. >> Okay. >> Um just reading through the minutes since I wasn't there last last meeting. Um, this uh doesn't replicate what we saw at Shaker Mill about, you know,
where you had the little strips of conservation. >> There there strips >> there are there is there is there is technically only one and that's along Central A. >> Okay. >> Um everything else where where we do you
do see you're looking at the the open space plan you see narrow strips where the where that loop is. That's all already town owned land. >> Okay. >> Um and then in the easement because they had to take the utility easement out of the buffer. Um so it looks as two
different colors on the open space plan, but it will technically just be one continuous area. So there is some not to the extent I think that we have on um Shaker Mill Pond, but there is some already. Um I I I made a couple comments
that didn't question and comments that didn't make it into the um decision just because of the enforcability of it. But I I I'm speak with the fields and I think they're they're going to and try to do their best on this to to try to limit the clearing um not during bird
nesting seasons during animal nesting. So I think they're going to try to do the clearing as they can through the winter. Um, obviously not stump because that would be bad, but like try to do some of the clearing in the winter time when there isn't a nesting time going on. Um, so that's I mean that's not
doesn't stop it, but it's it's it's little things little things that we try to do to help. Um, so >> would be happy. >> The crows would be happy and and the hawks and the and the turkey vultures and maybe some squirrels. Yeah. >> Um, so so that'll be on Tuesday. I think
they'll be voting on the decision for that. Um, trying to think what else was going on, I did hear from Anna Wilkins in regards to our contract we have with North County Land Trust in the CRS and she's
in the process of creating maps for Pine Meadow for that CR and she had the question she should include the Tougar property. I'm like, "Yes, that's going to have its own CR." So, yes, we do. >> Yeah. And if she need and and and if she needed more information, I I know I have some somewhere and I just haven't heard back from her on that.
>> I'm sorry. What was the other property? >> Tuker property. >> Ter. >> So I think that's it. I have the killer. >> Have some more chocolate. >> All right, Jen, any update? >> No, I do want to clarify. Is it illegal
for um us to feed I don't know crows in the state of Massachusetts? >> You can't bait animals. I know that. Hunting. >> Yeah. I mean technically I think there was a crow season if you're not physically hunting them
and you're just feeding. I I think there's no issues. >> Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to make sure. >> I would try and check that though. >> I might be one of those things. >> Nope. Not at the state level. >> Cat litter. Cat litter. Cat food. Dog
treats. And >> use cat litter. By the way, >> well, >> cuz my neighbor's allergic to peanuts, so I had to stop feeding them peanuts. >> AI overview says it's not illegal at the state level, but strongly discouraged by
mass wildlife biologists, man. >> But specific towns and cities may have local ordinances that prohibit it. >> We don't. >> We don't. No. Yeah. >> And mass smile doesn't let you have any fun anyway. >> Yeah. >> Well, and is it just the whole idea
around bird feeders in general, right? Is it? >> Yeah. The whole >> they become dependent. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They they discourage bird feeders on a whole aspect of it makes animals dependent on on those. >> I suppose if it's random though like eh today, you know, 3 weeks later you do something.
Okay. You've now created a pattern, you know, >> for very smart birds. >> Okay. Well, if I never see you all again, my eyes have been pecked out. >> When you stop, they're going to be like, "Hey, >> my car's getting >> Where is it?"
>> Drop rocks. >> That's all I got. That ball's on your windshield. Yeah. >> What do you got, Jess? >> I got nothing. I got I got a new knee. >> We're happy. We're happy Jess is back. >> A knee. >> A new knee. >> George, >> I needed it. By the way, >> nothing. All right.
>> I needed it. >> You needed it with both hands. >> All right, I guess we're out. I have nothing either. Uh, >> public input. Does anybody have any public input? >> All right. Hearing none.
>> All right. Uh motion to adjurnn. So move >> second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Nay. You