Good evening. Welcome to the Town of Air Finance Committee meeting on Thursday, May 21st, 2026 at 6 PM. This is a hybrid meeting. This meeting of the finance committee will be held in person at the location provided on this notice.
Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an option for remote attendance and/or participation via Zoom is being provided as a courtesy to the public, the meeting hearing will not be suspended or terminated if technological
problems interrupt the virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by law. Members of the public with particular interest in a specific item on this agenda should make plans for in-person versus virtual attendance accordingly. This meeting will be live on Zoom. The
public may access the proceedings by joining Zoom meeting ID 97877282202 or by calling 9292036099. For additional information about remote participation, please contact Carly Anteneellis, assistant town manager
atmirair.mma. us or 978772822 extension 100 prior to the meeting. Okay, I'm going to call the meeting to order. Um the first item on our agenda is review approval of meeting minutes.
Unfortunately, our secretary is not feeling well and we will do those minutes at the next meeting. >> Is he the secretary? >> Yes. clerk. >> Clerk, excuse me, clerk. Okay. So, clerk
with secretarial duties. I don't know. So, >> any case, so that's that. Okay. Uh the main thing on the agenda tonight is um a continuation of the review of the NHoba
Valley Technical High School budget. uh and specifically how the Massachusetts education funding formula uh works in um allocating the parts of that budget to air itself.
>> That's right. We're going to we're going to focus on the MRGF because as promised the highlight was the spreadsheet. >> Okay. >> I I come bearing two spreadsheets actually. >> So I I had to send chat GPT on a mission to find this. I don't remember where I
got it from, but I can send you the location because you can download these. Um, and the fun part is you can actually see all the towns. >> Oh my god. >> So, the new ones actually have a fancy if you click on this, you have to like enable the add-ins and then you select your community and then it just spits
out this wonderful summary for you. Um, and what the heck are we looking at? Uh so if you remember from last time there's kind of like four key components to this and they break it out into this right one is your levy limit base which
is your essentially everything gets multiplied by 2 and a half% and that that's how that goes up uh then the second one >> that's how you come out with the uh second number >> that's the first one right here the levy limit base this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But the second one is two and a half%. No. >> Yeah. So >> impact of No. No. >> It's two and a half >> override. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's two and a half% but they don't you don't count overrides in the like when the town votes for an override for like the the budgets and stuff. They don't count that. So that gets
subtracted. >> So quick question. We are looking at air. >> This is this is air. >> Air. >> There you go. >> Oh gosh. >> Scroll up. You can see that. >> Very good. >> For the fiscal year 26. We're going to have to go back in time to actually see what's going on. Um, and we may have to
do some of that in real time because I'm so confused still. Um, second component is new growth, right? So, that's when they add houses and all that other stuff and what that anticipated to be. Um, revenue sharing. So, this is the
like the government aid, right? It counts counts against you. >> You jump from one to three. How about increasing re? So that's the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty much. Okay. So that's a with a very explanation. >> We're going to go to each one in detail. >> Okay.
>> I'm just giving you the overview. And local receipts, right? So this is broken out by whatever. >> So like excise tax is the big one. >> Yeah. >> Other excise speeding fines, investment income. So whenever we have a gang busters investment year
>> uh that counts against us for the MRGF, which is fun. >> Um >> no, Barbara. Basically, the more the town makes money, the less uh the state >> which I guess makes sense, right? If you are a well-off town, you need less help from the state, >> right? >> Um
>> this is this is >> um so right. So our factor this year was 5.3 for the last fiscal year because they are 26. Um and kind of what does all of that mean? So they do in fact break it
down in the summary, right? So you have your your levy limit which is on the first table. >> Yeah, that's the same number >> plus your revenue sharing which is essentially just state aid. Um local receipts, right? Excise tax, all that other good stuff.
>> And that that sums up. Then there's a few safety um measures. I'll put that in quotes. So like the ceiling would be 47 million would be the ceiling. Um we're not even close to that. >> That's what people talking about when
they argue for the senior uh center too. They said like we have not reached like how much we could borrow. But the levy ceiling is different. >> The levy ceiling >> is how much the town could tax increase the tax. >> That's right. And it looks like that's carrying over as like a rolling average
through the years. >> Um right. new growth uh estimated levy limit for the fiscal year and then you get this total estimated municipal revenues and then you divide the old one by the new one.
>> So that the uh fourth line estimated limit is the sum of the previous two items. >> That is the sum of the previous two items. That's right. >> And that's not >> okay. So then they have these tabs broken out and I highlighted air. The fun part, right? You can see what
everyone else has been up to. Um the the first one's uh base. So it's always fun to scroll through and then you can scroll down to Boston and see their $3 billion uh >> budget. They're that's the levy limit base. Um,
so the the reason why I want to go back in time is that you can see that if I click on any of these cells, these just have numbers in them, right? And if I click on this, you can just see there's a number populated in there. But if you go back to 2020,
go back to levy limit base. I scroll back up. Where' it go? There we go. Air. And you can it's a little bit more explicit and you can see that the
formulas are actually still here. So, and this is kind of how I deciphered it in the first place of looking back through all of the formulas and what each one is doing. And
it's a it's a ride, I guess. Um, so this the summary is that like it takes if you scroll across you can see that there's the previous four years. So this is 2020, right? You get
2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019. And they do a bunch of like safety check math. >> Can we just like for take one year and go through each column so that we we know what we're looking at? So for each
year, you have three columns. >> So let let's if you want to do that, >> no, however you do that, just um kind of explain the the meaning of the numbers a little bit. So we don't >> So what how I started? >> Yeah, >> right was >> well I start with the number 6.18 and
you're like well how did I get that number? Well, that's the calculated change base in this cell >> with totally municipal revenues, right? So, you just pick one and you're like, well, how did I get this base? And you're like, well, that's R27US H27.
Okay, so that's >> R27 is there. Okay. And what's next? H >> 27 total. >> R27 is the total estimated current revenue. And then that's the >> the base >> base. How is
>> so they're measuring the difference between the estimated that you're going to have and the base that you do have. >> So how do they get the base? >> Exactly. So then you look and you're like okay so now I've got C27, E27 and F27.
>> Okay. So C is >> this is where the other tabs are going to start coming into play. Right. >> But this is we are looking at the so is that immediate before or several years before? This is >> immediately before. So, so uh but C27 is
always 2019 and uh but >> 2020 budget. So, it's the year before. >> Okay. Okay. All right. So, >> we're just looking at 2020 as an example. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's basically uh the prior year's uh uh
so what does general revenue sharing mean? It's not the total. >> General revenue sharing is the aid you get from the government. Ah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, >> but we can keep going, right? >> I'm sorry. That's E. So, we we went from C to E. >> We can keep the whole point is you got to keep going, right? So, you look at
that. It's the sum of these three factors. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll take your government revenue shank, right? It comes from the GRS sheet. This is a touch screen, right? F28. So, then you go to the GRS sheet, find air,
right? Okay. And then you go to F28 and then you go to see how that's calculated, right? So that is your stateowned land plus your unrestricted aid because we have no other fiscal assistance, right? So that one's pretty.
>> How does land come into? What does the land have? >> The state's paying you for the land they own in the town. Wait, the the town the state owns a certain amount of land in the town >> apparently that that is worth something.
>> Okay. >> At 13,000 it can't be much. >> So So that factor into the gross revenue. No, GRS stand for what? >> Gross revenue sharing. >> Oh, gross revenue sharing. But the gross
revenue sharing eventually factor into the growth factor that we're going to calculate. >> That's right. Because that's money that we get. >> Okay. So how much the sale how much money the state will give us actually has a little to do with how much land
the sale owns in the town. >> Yeah. Well, in this case it's practically none. >> Okay. Okay. All right. So, but it has some other factors there. So apparently >> it's Essentially for us it's just state aid. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> The unrestricted state aid.
>> But it's like if we build more houses we have more growth and that >> Oh, we're getting there. There's a new growth though. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. >> So So here the D no C E F those are the three columns that give this one. So
>> that's the base revenues right? So that's your >> prior year's uh >> Yep. So then if you click on the next one right that's local receipts. So now we can go to local receipts tab find and
highlight. >> Yeah I I can go that I don't need to go into detail. >> But this breaks down all your >> Yeah. >> your things and there's also multiple ears in here. >> Okay. We're glossing over that one. Right. So then the big one, right?
Your levy limit. Now the levy limit is the interesting one. >> Yeah, we never reach the levy limit, right? >> We did not tax the full 200%. So we're looking for 8028 AD 28. So that's this,
>> right? Which is the minimum between U28 and AB 28. So that's this number and these numbers. So you can see >> those two numbers are one limited levy limit adjusted for overrides. >> Yeah, because they don't count the
overrides. >> Oh, okay. We do not have override so it shouldn't matter, right? Yeah. >> So it's a levy limit and then so the two should be the same, right? No, no, no. What's the other one? Estimated le limit. >> Yeah. So then >> but then you got to see how that's done,
right? >> So you can see that's P28 >> which is your levy adjusted levy limit adjusted for overrides. >> Mhm. >> Right. Times the 1.025. That's your 2 and a half% increase. >> Oh, okay.
>> Plus your anticipated new growth, right? So that's the big factor. Then you got to go to the new growth tab. >> Whoever came with the spreadsheet is a hero. >> Oh wow. This is a back and forth. Yeah. >> Jeez. >> So, this is where you get interesting
math. >> So, the hold on. So, your levy limit percentage, right? You see a lot of percentages on here >> and they're reasonably well labeled. And
why? It doesn't explain why. Right? So you got 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and then it'll give you the average of the last three years. >> Okay? >> Then it'll give you the lowest three of
the last four years. >> Okay? And then the maximum percentage of the last three four years. Okay? That's just a max. That's pretty easy. And the and and then the average of the two
smaller years. and then a max difference minus two year >> average four or five numbers and massage in many different ways. What's the point of doing all this? >> These I think this is like a it's almost like a
a watered down rolling average. >> Yeah. Kind of try to as in different ways to kind of like maybe downplay if there's one year that's an abnormal >> number. So like if you're looking if you're looking at our years right you can see there was a 2.4 4 2.7 4.67 3.25.
>> Yeah, I know. The year before that was 5.59. It's the highest. >> Yeah, but that's not encountered in any of these. >> So, yeah. So, so that's how come they could do all these different averages not include none of them include that column. Then why did they leave the
column there >> for some other thing? >> What I mean? Um well, so you can see the actual number comes out to be right. Uh what is it? If a AJ so if this number is bigger than 2% which it's not
it's either the small column or the larger column right the the bigger number between these two >> so difference maximum minus 2year average >> so we end up doing >> so the difference is a maximum minus two years right
>> I mean difference that that column AJ is >> year average >> yeah So the that >> the average of the two smaller years I think is what it's not saying >> but it's a difference. So so so I thought it's they're taking the biggest number which in this case will be 5.59
>> and then minus >> they're taking this number and subtracting this number from it and getting this number. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So 5.59 minus 2.67 should be >> right. So this is one of your your guard rails. Like if this is like drastically
different >> less than one >> drastically different then it'll take the lowest three of the last four years. But considering that that number is not a huge difference. It they just give us the average. >> Okay. >> That's the massage rolling average.
>> I I still don't quite understand because if I took that 5.59 minus the average of the two-year average. No five this 2015 is not in the calculation at all. Right. This is last three years. This is last four years. So that would be
>> so then the maximum which one is the fact maximum will be 4.67. >> That's right. Which is right here. >> And then the two-year average is >> no two average of two smaller years of the two smallest years. >> Sorry. Sorry. Which is a 2. So it's 4.67 minus 2.9 minus 3. Yeah. That's that's
how Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And then saying like if this difference is over 2% >> Uhhuh. then you're going to go for the the lowest average because then you had one really weird spiky year. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> But how they came up like that's part of the question, right? That 2% versus
this. Who came up with that, right? Why is it not 3% or why is it not 1.15? >> It's probably some experience, common sense, you know. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Some some of number that's more humane. >> So that's how we ended up getting the three and a half%.
Uh so three and a half% is average percentage increase. >> Yeah. Okay. So this is just the new growth tab. And then you can see it references back to the levy limit base tab and then multiplies that times your average increase to then get your
825,000 which is your new growth for that year. >> Sorry. So 800 something is >> 825,000 is the new growth >> number for percent time something right >> times your levy limit base which was on
this tab already >> right so we started off on this tab and we ended off on this tab that's this I think is that 22 million so 22 million
times your 3.5% gives you your $825 5,000 which then comes back here. Uh no back here I think. >> No s is that >> that's just the formula.
>> Oh I was looking at the wrong >> the general revenue sharing. >> Oh yeah. Okay. So that that's fac new growth is is factored in >> uh on the in the levy limit. tab. Anyway, so
>> okay, I think I get some sense. So, so you were able to download this whole thing. >> Yep. So, that's how you get this 23 mill, right? So, then that's the 23 million, which is your levy limit base from last year times 2.5% plus your anticipated new growth, which we just
went through was 3.5%. plus your revenue sharing which is the aid you get from the state plus whatever land they own plus your excise tax and all of your other stuff to get total municipal base revenues. >> Okay. >> Right. And then
>> and then that times the percentage that that we just calculated. >> No, we did that already. Uh >> yeah but to get the how much uh so
yeah that's only the revenue but how much the sleep the school well what >> that that just gives this this 6.18 I'm so there's the school formula >> and in that school formula is the MRGF which is this number
>> right that's how they calculate that number this isn't even about how they calculate the school number. This is how they calculate that one number in the school number formula. We'll have to do a part three for how the actual school formula is calculated.
So, but this is I mean essentially this is showing the details of how they come up with this and it's really ties back into >> and again we talk about it in general but you're showing us the black and white >> of how they run is a an Excel function
right >> run >> yeah run r o u n g I just thought you just you you click on that and then show yeah there >> so so you see that on top there. >> So G27
divided by H27 and then comma 4 * 100%. >> Oh, >> so this it's the this is saying >> I don't know that function. What does it round mean? >> Rounding rounded. That's what I thought it >> just rounds to four decimal places. >> Okay, >> that's what this four is,
>> right? So it's taking your current change divided by your current base. >> Mhm. And then it's just capping that at four essentially four digits >> to get a and then times 100 that's your
percent. >> Um and then so like 6.18 in uh 2020 which I thought was fun. And I actually scrolled through and there was very few people ahead of air. Um some people went down
not Washington the city >> 7.9 street which >> New Salem >> New Salem I never heard of that town. >> Yeah. Then there's another one like Planeville like Northfield was another one around that. >> So but then >> so they have one of those highest growth factor which means the least amount
percentage wise that they will give right >> because >> it's not the least amount it's like it goes back into another formula. So they end up giving you less like as your town grows and you get wealthier your the contribution they give you diminishes. >> Yeah. >> And then the fun part is you can also go
to levy limit base right and you can see >> like um Littleton was another 10 that group but like you could go to Littleton or Harvard right and you can see that like their levy limits 19 million right and if you go back up like ours is
31. Wow. or if you go to So I had fun looking at uh other towns like neighboring >> Wouldn't you think at Harvard's levy limit would be much higher? >> They're so much smaller. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Like little town though, right? Almost almost 50 million.
>> Yeah. >> Don't lock few. There's no business in Harvard. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Harvard in terms of land is much bigger than AF. I think even in terms of population is bigger than it is. >> I guess >> I know for I'm quite confident in terms
of land must be much bigger. >> Um in terms of population I guess I don't know for sure. >> Yeah. >> But I agree the har has low commercial basis. >> But you can go through and look at like a little tin. I was looking at some of our neighbors right and you can kind of see what they're
like because you now you know what they pay. Okay. You can also kind of figure out without looking at their budgets directly like what they're contributing >> and like you can kind of back out your like what are they providing for
services what are versus what we're providing for services and kind of doing >> like making a >> just intuitively it would uh be unfair if the uh percentage of state a to Harvard is higher than to a right
because Harvard is a wealthier town. But I don't know. I don't >> Is it a wealthier town? >> Yes, it is. That's I think a common sense accepted by everybody. >> Um we can do a part three and look at the actual school formula. >> Now if we just look at this in terms of
percentage, do we get any sense? No. >> We can find Harvard. >> Yeah. And let's see what Harvard gets. >> Zero or no 3.6. I think that's probably mostly down to a growth >> factor, right? Heirs building and more
people. >> So that's what I'm saying. So then the towns that limit growth don't build any houses, you know, they actually will. >> But with that comes tax revenue, >> right? You're getting more in taxes. So they are giving you less in aid. But that's fine because you have more people
paying taxes that are consistent, >> right? No. But the thing is that you the new growth could also mean more demand for a school. >> Sure. >> Because often the you know people who are moving in are younger families that
will need like a school. >> So >> but we have the with the new growth comes more taxes which will help pay for those students too. >> Plus if if Harvard never built another house, right, their levy limit is still going technically going up two and a half% every year. >> Yeah. So the people who are live there
are actually just getting more burdened because their MRGF will never go down, right? Unless something they have a bad budget gear or something. >> Mhm. >> Right. So So real quick on this sheet here in column view, so this is the municipal youth or oh there's the actual
one sent to the Yeah. So that's really the what is ours compared say to uh Grten and Chsford which are two schools in the uh >> in the school. Yeah. >> 3.7 3.7
and Chsford is >> where is it? Yeah. Chsford not Chsford >> 3. And then and is >> 5.3 >> 5.3. There's the rub. Okay.
>> I mean, you I mean, you can chase it down, right? You can go to the new growth tab >> and you can see like we were talking like it was only 3.13 from our last thing. It was three and a half, right? And if I go to Jonesford, right? 1.38, right? So, that's probably
the is our our number is >> almost half theirs, right? But they just have so much more people. >> Wow. Groten. Graten would be an interesting one. Didn't they do a two and a half override last year? >> Uh >> or no, they got voted. They voted down.
>> And that was just for the room schools, let alone for the uh for the um >> technical high school. >> Right. So >> I think the I mean look at I mean these are all like 0.9, right? Very few people
are towns are expanding. There you go. Hopington's one. But I mean, air from a sense of growth is probably one of the highest growing. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. Lexington's growing. Anyway, I just thought that was interesting to run through.
>> So, but that last tab we were looking at with the uh >> Yeah. Okay. So, really this is what is what ends up being used to calculate our portion of the Nova allocation. >> That's right. And you you can tell the
majority of that is actually essentially new growth plus the two and a half levy that they're applying every year. >> Those are the main driving factors. >> Ex size isn't exactly jumping off the page, you know. >> So >> interesting. Okay.
>> Right. So I I can send these files to someone to put them on the website for reference, but >> yeah, you can probably send Yeah. to Carly. >> I don't remember how I found them. It was a heck of a heck of a ride. But the 2020 one's interesting because you can actually work your way backwards because
it has the formulas. >> Ah, okay. So that's why we use that as an example. >> Formula every year's tech. >> Well, they went to macros like fancy built-in >> math. >> So like every column is now just a number. >> I see. Right.
>> They don't show you where the number's for how the number came anymore. I see. I see. >> But 2019 is when they did that. that when they show >> 2020. >> Okay. >> And you can go back I forget how far you can go back. You can go back pretty far >> and every every thing has every town in
it. So, um it's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Um excuse me, Barbara. Do you know do is this used for any other reasons
except >> I'm having actually trouble seeing so I'm not sure. Oh, this is this is the municipal >> revenue growth factor. Re >> municipal revenue growth factor. >> Sorry, Marvin. >> Which is the what what this Andrew
figured figured out was the how it comes up to this because uh it's actually used in this case for when we get the Nohovate allocation. Um it's tweaked skewed a little higher for air because
of this factor. Yeah. So I can look into that. I'm sure it is used for a lot of analysis. >> Interesting. Yeah. >> This is something that would come off the do department of revenues their datab. >> Yeah. >> So I look into other
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just Yeah. I think it'd just be interesting because it's it's a an interesting you know it's it's I think the takeaway is that because air does so well we >> I would be surprised if our you know state aid things like that unrestricted
government aid and stuff might >> I ask question >> yeah oh good thank you that would be just you know for going forward >> would you mind sending that Sure. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Barbara. >> Sure. >> Okay. Um I think Thank you very much, Andrew. This is I I said this last week and then it goes all the way back to that that meeting where we had the uh Dr. Pigeon made her presentation and I
was looking through it. I said >> it affects hair surely too. That's also in the calculation, right? So >> Oh, really? Oh, >> it's the state aid, right? Is based on how much you get. >> Oh, interesting. Okay. So, it actually affect cuz I mean the Air Shirley School
District has its own agreement, >> but then that agreement is also built into that agreement. They take this into account. >> I think it's mainly how much aid they're willing to give you, right? Because the state will give you less and less if you're a wealthier town. >> Gotcha.
>> We'll do a part three. How about that? >> Okay. >> I'll get to it. >> All right. >> Good. Yeah. So yeah that's okay. So again um how it affects and actually you know might be that would you know be good is just some details about how the
error error surely school district allocation works. I mean if you could find out is is that was that an agreement drone up drawn up when they put together the joint >> I'm sure there is. >> Yeah I'm sure there is but yeah that would be good to know.
>> Cool. Well thank you very very much. Mhm. >> So, um, next item was, uh, on the agenda was to discuss topics for future meetings. Um, Andrew, you brought up, um, about all the town's motor vehicles.
>> Yeah, that was my other pet project. >> Okay. Right. Were did you get any get a chance to >> I I got Dan's and I have his analysis, but I have to send Robert or whoever an email to see if someone else has anything. Yeah, because you were looking just at Dan's only looks at DPW and the
idea is what we want to look at all the departments in the town, all the vehicles and just see if we can see some savings by looking at it more of on on a town level than just >> and if there's like a pattern or anything like that, right, of like well this
>> So while you're thinking of making a different department to share deal with vehicles or >> Yeah, just give me the list like what vehicle what is it? Do you have mileage and like condition? >> Okay. I have heard people
I don't know if I heard from you or someone else saying that you know how come like a different towns could not share their like a fire engines because those vehicles are so expensive and I don't really know. I I think that you
know each town probably wants to own a fire engine because of what >> Oh, you're you're going to the next level because actually talent sharing. >> Yeah. >> You need like a Yeah. Unified public safety. >> Yeah. Because then it's the same type of equipment that if they could share but
here so but you I guess some general purpose vehicle, right? like just an SUV. >> Well, in other words, what we're looking at is that the fire department has vehicles, DPW has, and these are um not the fire trucks and stuff, but >> just general purpose. >> General purpose vehicles, DPW, fire
department, the parks, um I can't think of the other one. Wonder have >> police >> police? Oh, yeah. They they have vehicles, too. So, the And this actually came up with capital planning this year. There was very very uh points, some really good points made out. So, this is
a sort of a continuation of that idea. >> If we're going to have time in the summer, I'm happy to uh crunch some some data sheets. >> So, okay. So, that's motor vehicles. Um the other thing I was um looking at is that maybe come fall
is that we uh take a look at the senior center and just see what where the senior center is and then specifically as far as finances concerned how much have they spent so far um this so maybe six months on so guys I think September
October might be a time to do that >> shovel on the ground yet >> they Yeah, the groundbreaking is maybe September or something. I just overheard that today. >> Yeah. >> So, but yeah, so I think it would be a good chance to get an update on just to see uh what uh where where it is and
what uh what the uh uh fiscal status is of it and everything. Just keep keep tabs on that. >> Speaking of borrowing money, >> uh I haven't been down Main Street for the bridge replacement yet, but I see all the detour signs. They are they're
starting to do the work on either side. Okay. >> But they haven't actually got to the uh uh tearing down the they're going to do one side at a time. >> Okay. So, it's going to be one way. >> Yeah. So, one well one there will be one lane open and there'll be um
>> traffic lights >> traffic lights set up on either side. So, then depending on which way you're coming, the light will be green and everybody going in that direction will go across. Lights will change and then traffic in the other way will go across. So, it's Yeah, it should work. I've seen these lights other places. They work
pretty well. >> So, speaking of trucks, Barbara, the fire truck, have we taken delivery on that yet? >> I believe it's scheduled to arrive what I believe September. End of September or October. Okay.
>> We're almost there. >> I haven't received an update in the last month or so, so I don't know if that's changed. No, but it's it's literally still on the truck. >> So, what do they do with the old truck when they retire it?
>> Does it is there a sort like a some kind of a recycling company? Is there any residual value? >> So, searching my memory, I can't remember which option they chose, but you would either trade it in >> ah >> or you can sell them.
or sometime depending on the vehicle and the situation sometimes they'll have them as a backup like they do with the ambulance. So I don't recall which option they chose ladder truck but those are their generaliz options. >> Yeah,
>> you can do an extra fire engine. >> Is this on the ladder? Is this the ladder? >> Yeah, this is the 100 foot ladder truck. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's a big You don't just leave one of those laying around for fun. >> But it was interesting. I remember when the the chief talked about it and first of all I was like we don't have any tall
buildings here >> but then when I he explained it and actually I've seen them like at the apartment complexes >> you're 50 ft away from that building >> right and they could go out with a truck and they they can shoot the water right down into the middle of the fire. So it
really >> makes makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't want to be the guy out at the end of the 100 foot ladder. That's >> right. That moves around a lot. Yeah. Okay. Um, is there any public input?
>> Bob. >> Bob. Hi, Bob. >> Barbara. Okay. Um, and then our next meeting will be um we're going to go with uh just one meeting in June. I It' be Thursday, June
18th. All good. >> Okay. >> Good. Bob. >> Oh, >> yes. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Thanks. >> Okay. >> I would like a motion to adjurnn.
>> I second the motion. >> All those in favor? I >> I. Very good. Meeting is adjourned at 6:42.