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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: OuC74Di0BU0):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Commencement: Agenda Approval & Minute Review
- 00:02:00: Orion Park Drive NOI Continuation Request Approved
- 00:02:48: Scully Road Water Main and Road Improvements Discussion
- 00:07:59: BL Street/Peron Park Culvert Removal Project Discussion
- 00:15:55: BL Street Sitewalk Scheduled for May 23rd
- 00:18:17: Graten Harvard Road Drainage Improvements Discussed
- 00:28:04: Beaver Activity Reported at Sandy Pond Causeway
- 00:31:18: Oakidge Drive Addition and Renovation Public Hearing Opens
- 00:39:51: Oakidge Drive Sitewalk Set For May 23rd at 9:00
- 00:46:55: New England Power Substation Amended Order Conditions
- 01:04:41: Request for Partial Certificate Three Mountain Laurel Drive
- 01:07:14: New Signage for Conservation Area Approved
- 01:19:02: Pocket Forest Update and May 30th Workday
- 01:21:14: 71 Sandy Pond Redesign Concerns Raised


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Good evening. Uh, this is a meeting of the Air Conservation Commission on Thursday, May 14th, 2026. With us this evening are John Schmullenberger, member, Heather Hamson, conservation

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agent, Jeremiah, clerk, member, George Bacon, honored member, and Mark Phillips, vice chair, and myself, Jessica Gino, chair. Okay. So, first on the agenda is the

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approval of the agenda. Any changes? >> No. No changes to the agenda. >> George, would you like to make a motion? >> Move to approve the agenda as written. >> Second. >> All in favor?

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>> I opposed. >> Approval of the meeting minutes for April 23rd, 2026. everybody had a chance to look at them. I didn't really find anything. I tried. Sorry. I'll be much later tonight.

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>> The only uh when we talk about conservation restrictions, should we do the distinction between owning the land versus holding the restriction or is it fine to say hold both?

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Yeah, I don't I don't think for the purpose of that discussion it makes a difference. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. There being no changes, all in favor of approving the minutes for April 23rd, 2026 as written. Wonderfully written.

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Not by me. >> Like a motion, you mean? >> Yes. >> Yes. Make the motion. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> opposed. All right. Next on the agenda is the

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continued public hearing for the notice of intent under the bylaw for Sawyer May LLC Orion Park Drive. So, um Joe Canala had emailed me late um I think was Thursday or Wednesday of last week

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stating that they had submitted um comments to NA Natural Heritage and they would wouldn't have heard back by time for the meeting this evening and requested a continuation to the next meeting on the 28th. >> Okay. So, motion to continue the public

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hearing to May 28th, 2026. >> So, move second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> opposed. All right. Next on the agenda would be three requests for determination from the uh

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Department of Public Works. Hello, Matt. >> Hello. >> Matt Hearnen, the talent engineer is with us. So the first up is the uh project at

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Scully Road water main and road improvements. Would you like to discuss that? >> Sure. Um yes, so this project it is uh not all of Skully Road. It's just the very dead end. Um

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it's uh here we go. >> The very end of it. >> Very end of it. Um so between Malumo Industrial Park and Tuck by Sheffley landfill. So the proposed work is water man

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replacement as well as road paving. So it the water man work is planned for this year and the road paving planned for next year. >> But you're looking to get both approved. >> Yes.

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Um, so as you can see on the plan, there is a delineated wetland on the Malco Industrial Park uh property and it's not far from the edge of the road pavement. I think it's

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maybe 20 30 feet off um as it's shown on this plan. So that 50 foot no disturb line does extend through the road. >> Mhm. But is all the work within the road existing roadway?

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>> Yes, all the work's in the public road and none of it's off the edge of the uh paved road. So, uh really what we're looking to do just for erosion control is is typical uh silt fence and straw water and also

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any sort of uh trench dewatering. Um we would have a um like a sedimentation basin. I just make sure we're not discharging any sediments into that route. >> Okay. And when would you be doing this?

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>> The first part of it. >> Uh I I think it would probably be summertime start. So we're still working on start date this year though. >> Yes. >> And then paving next year. So >> yes.

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>> Um okay. Questions from the board commission? I don't have any. >> Jen, no. George, >> so I see up here there's a 4 inch wide and there's an inch and a quarter line. >> Uh, yes.

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>> Where does the inch and a quarter line go? >> Uh, it goes all the way to the end of the street to my understanding. So, it is kind of a strange setup. Um, most of our water manes are 8 in diameter. Um, and this one is there's

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a 4 inch line, um, which I believe is a fire service line to the very end of the street out to Shley's Hill, which is why that was put in. I think the original water line, the inch and a quarter line was just for the the residents on the streets.

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So, we're looking to upgrade the water. Uh, there's actually a planned um commercial property. I believe that project went before the commission a couple years ago. They haven't broke ground yet. >> Uh I don't know if they had to come. No. Yeah, they did.

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>> They come before us. I know there was a planning board, but I don't know if all the site work might have been outside or just outside. I can't remember. >> We had a sidewalk out there with the planning board. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, we did. So, yeah, we did. Yeah, >> that was before that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I can't remember all these things.

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>> Any more questions, >> Mark? >> Uh, no. and our agent. >> Yeah. So, uh I don't have any questions. I did prepare the um determination um with the negative3 uh determination with

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the standard condition that we us typically have that um erosion controls must be installed and inspected either by myself or a number of the conservation commission part. >> Okay. Do you see any need for a sitewalk for this one? >> No, because it's in the existing

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rightway. It's already paved. radiation >> just with regards to the silence. I know we've been talking about possibly not using silk fences. So, if we just make sure it's removed, I'm sure they will. It's a very short thing. So, >> yep. >> Yeah. >> I think it's more now the ones that are,

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you know, off into the woods and stuff where they're >> less likely to bother to remove things >> to disappear. >> Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind. >> Find a way to find that to make sure it gets removed. Okay. No other issues with

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this and I have none as well. So, um, George, would you like to make a motion? >> Move to issue a negative determination for this project. >> Second. >> All in favor? I

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>> opposed. Okay, moving right along. Looks like you're now doing something at BL Street Peron Park. Request for determination of applicability there. Oh, wait. We have to sign. We have to put our signatures

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on it. >> Yes, we do. And I got to fill up the other plants. >> Is this yours? >> Nope. The biggest need. >> I always have extra pens.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. Opening up the discussion for request for determination of applicability. Department of Public Works, BL Street/Peron Park, Culvert Removal. Um, >> Matt,

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>> over to you, Matt. >> So, this project, it is a U proposed removal of an old culvert um that public works believes is no longer necessary. Um, so public works understanding is this

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culvert was put in place many years ago. It was a >> They actually had plans of an old brush dump that was to the west of that culvert um more or less behind that wetland. So I believe that culvert helped um cars get you know to and from.

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>> Okay. >> So >> don't ask me how that blue highlighter get on there. I don't know. This is the area where uh year or so ago we did um a notice an order of conditions for that at that point was replacing that culvert

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or is that this is a different on street. >> Okay. So this is a different culvert. Okay. >> This is the other end of the wetland. >> The other end of the wetland. >> Yes. So yeah. what was per uh that might have been last year when I was >> before you with that project that was

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all in the streets >> and and this is downstream of that whole area. >> Okay. >> Um so this culver's in very poor condition. Um it's the upstream end of it is completely plugged up and it's

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hard to inspect. Um I suspect it's uh partially failed which is kind of typical for these types of culverts. They're notorious for um basically corroding to such an extent that there's just large holes in the pipes and kind of tend to

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collapse in on themselves over time. >> Yeah. >> So, you're going to remove it and just leave it like a ditchish >> pretty much. That that's our plan. Uh more or less to try to remove the culvert and restore this area back to

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its original uh pre constructed condition. >> Are there any residents right in that area? Houses? >> Uh no. >> I know with the other culvert there were concerns of standing water in that damaged ditch. >> Yeah. >> And mosquitoes, but nothing.

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>> No, this is >> this is just Yeah. These pony park by the um >> quoteunquote boat launch. Yeah. >> Just just >> so much further down. >> Yes. Yes. >> Right. >> Mhm. >> Just to the right. >> Yeah. When you come down the boat

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launch. >> Yep. >> Gotcha. Over here. >> Some of the residents that actually approached me about this culvert because during heavy storms, the water does back up onto the street. And I suspect this is um partly to blame. >> Oh.

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>> Yes. Yum. Although the the street is within the flood plane, that's also its own issue, but this I think compounds that issue. >> Okay. Um, questions from the commission. John,

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Jen, George, >> Mark. So, you're just going to kind of grab it, yank it out, and let's see what nature does, I guess, basically, as John was asking earlier.

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Um, so, uh, yes and no. Um, so yes, we would we would remove the culvert, but we do it in a very careful and planned way. So, with erosion controls, we'd have something like a floating silt fence on the downstream

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end just to make sure we don't have any sediment uh go into Grove Pond. But we have um silk fence on the on the stream banks and for restoration. Um I know I didn't show that in the plans but um ultimately we would try to grade uh that bank to match the upstream and

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downstream conditions just to make it a continuous. >> Yeah. Don't want to narrow it if it doesn't need to be or Yeah. >> Okay. Exactly. Um but for >> isn't any stone or rock or anything hitting that area or you just leaving it

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dirt, mud, whatever. >> So that part I I haven't I guess made a hard um determination on on how to permanently restore that. I I wouldn't want to leave it with just bare, you know, soil and have that erode over time

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as well. >> Do you know what the conditions are? I guess just upstream of it like in you know at the bottom of the ditch or whatever you know is it stone at all or is it just >> I don't think there's any stone at all. >> Okay.

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>> I'm sort of thinking this is one we should take a look at. >> That's my my that was my thought that the three that mentioned tonight that probably one we'd want to look at. Although I did prepare the the um determination just in case but I I did have that thought that this is probably one we'd want to look at.

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>> Yeah. I think we have another one we're going to have to schedule as well. So, um sidewalk um >> and there is no need for traversing it any longer is what we're sure about. >> Uh yes, that's my opinion to to not

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replace it with a new covers. >> Okay. >> I think that would cause more >> short-term damage and it would also be a long-term liability. >> Okay. Always better to daylight stream than it is to cover. >> Agree. Yeah. I just wasn't sure if

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anybody was using it for any reason. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't It doesn't appear to look like that. It looks like just leaved over. So, >> um on the other side of that cover, too, it's a fenced in area. So, it basically if you cross over that culvert, it leads to

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>> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I don't know if there's any. Was it put in there possibly to keep it from from the banks collapsing on themselves at one time? Do we know anything? Maybe. >> Um, the only thing I have um I do have a

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an old sketch here from um when it was a a brush dump that does show this pipe. And to me, it makes it pretty clear this was put in just for cars >> going over it. >> Okay. >> Um for long term, but clearly it's no longer. Okay. All right.

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>> So, is it was this swale I mean, as straight as can be, was that a man-made swale? >> Um, that's a great question. Um, I'm not I'm not 100% on that. >> Yeah. Not that it really matters, but

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yeah, >> it's just a way to get over it. >> Exactly. >> Okay. All right. What are people's availability the next two weekends? >> Not this weekend. >> Not this weekend. I can't do the following weekend.

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>> Okay. >> I'm free whenever. >> Yeah, I'm free whenever. >> This weekend would be bad. Maybe next weekend, but >> Okay. Next weekend is more likely. I trust you all.

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>> Okay. So, um, where's my calendar? >> So, this would be the 23rd. Okay, >> that works. >> Um, 8:30. >> 8:30. >> 8. No, it's fine. 8:30 is fine.

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>> What were you preferring? >> No, 8 No, I'm just I'm just 8:30 is fine. That way I can get donuts in time before they sell them. I want a good asset. >> More importantly, >> May 23rd at 8:30 just >> Yeah.

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>> Just remember that's Memorial Day weekend. >> Mhm. >> Oh, that's Memorial Day. Yeah. We got I got nothing going. >> You guys want to take a little vacation? >> No. >> No rest for the conservation commission. >> Oh, yeah. Vacation. >> Where should we park for this?

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>> I'm on vacation. >> Um just at the park. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I got I got this. That's the driveway over here. >> Yep. 2:30. >> Okay. >> So, there's a pulloff >> 8:30. >> Um, is there any uh >> That's right by the uh boat. >> Okay, perfect.

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>> Any public input on this particular project? Other than it's Memorial Day weekend, so is Does have a parade? >> Does there have a parade? >> Yeah. >> On Saturday? >> Yeah.

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>> No. Is it Saturday? >> I'm not sure. What's that date? I'm sorry. >> 23rd. >> 23rd. But >> let me >> before we go further in that, let's just check. >> I'm looking at the team's website.

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>> Yours got a party. You look me up though. >> Monday. >> Yeah. Monday. >> Okay, good. >> Tomorrow events are on Monday. >> Okay. So, >> we're not going to do something. >> Okay. So, we will have a sitewalk for BL

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Street Saturday, May 23rd at 8:30. Um, this is a RDA. We don't have to continue it. >> Yes, you do need to continue. >> We do. Okay. >> You're not taking a public hearing. We need to continue the public meeting. >> Okay. So, George, would you like to make

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a motion to continue? >> Move to continue the public meeting until May 28th. >> Yeah. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I opposed.

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>> Okay. >> Moving right along. >> Bless you. >> Okay. Request for determination of applicability. Air Department of Public Works Graten Harvard Road drainage improvements.

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Back to you, Matt. Um so this project um it's not uh all of Green Harvard fortunately it's just a very small area um of GRE Harvard

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um it is more uh it it's right across from the ongoing Lincoln Hills project just for context um >> the ongo from what >> the Lincoln Hills >> construction project >> is it right across from the

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where they're doing the utility easement of. >> Exactly. >> So, one of the conditions of that uh project during the site plan approval was to replace the uh storm drains in the streets. Um so, the storm drains were found to be in

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fairly poor condition as well as the drainage outlets um which is on private property in a town drainage easements. and the easements between number 35 and number 33 Harford Road.

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So the scope of work here, the town is looking to replace the two cash basins on the street and to also move the drainage outlet more toward the center of the easement. Um this is work that town's looking to

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um have completed this summer. Um, okay. >> So, we do have wetland flags uh shown on the plan. So, Heather, if you don't mind showing >> No, I'm I'm trying.

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>> I'm not a um touch screen. There we go. So the improvement is shown here is is showing um there it goes. >> There we go. >> So in the uh light green is showing new

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drainage structures um and also a relocated drainage outlet uh into the drainage easement. So all of that uh work would be within the road and also in the town drainage easement. Um and I've spoken with the the property owners um on both sides of

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the easement. They're both amendable to this plan. And I think it actually is an improvement um all the way around for for the town and for the residents. And for erosion control we show in uh the pink color there that would be silt

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fence and straw waddle during the work. And what's the what's the distance to resource areas? Um so I don't I don't show the buffer um on this plan

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but um all the road work is within buffer and then the work off the road is actually within the delineated wetlands which is shown in red. And the easement's wide enough because you're abandoning the one just to the

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north there. Put it in the green one. >> Yep. >> It's within the width of the eman. >> It is. >> Um. Yeah. Did you scroll it down just that little bit? >> Yes, I think so. >> Um, maybe. >> Nope. >> Oh, >> nope. I can't.

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>> You got a wheel or no? Two fingers on your pad. >> Oh, there we go. Get this to go away. Go away. Go away. >> Yeah. So, the drainage the new drainage outlet location is more uh centered in

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the drainage. >> And it lines up more with the natural um uh flow path. So, right now it kind of takes like a weird S-curve um >> and and it's more um puts it in line with the drainage channel.

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>> Okay. Questions from commission members? Mark? >> No, I asked that. Okay, George. >> Jen, John,

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>> is there quite a bit of water that this thing can handle? >> Yes. Um, >> the the uh the current pipe is a 24 in pipe that outlets. Um although I believe the street drains upstream of that are or 12in pipes. So

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there's multiple 12in pipes that converge to a 24in pipe. So, there are several catch basins upstream of this plan that tie into this strange system. >> Mhm. >> I believe there's another four or five upstream.

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>> Yeah. >> What size are you putting in there? You didn't catch that. >> Uh, this would also be a 24 in. >> Still 24. >> Yes. >> Okay. Heather, your comments. Um, I already drafted up the determination with the same comment

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that we have I had for um Skully Road. >> The road controls must be expected. >> Um, >> no concern that no. >> Okay. >> Is is this basically road runoff?

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Yes, it's it's almost entirely road runoff as well as um it also will catch some of the overflow. So, anything that doesn't infiltrate um from the Lincoln Hills project that will um wind up into the drainage system as well.

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>> Okay. And the wetlands that it's draining into is kind of contained. >> Uh I mean is it is that flow where does that flow to? >> That flows all to Okay.

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>> And my assumption with that wet line area shown there, that's basically been created based off of the run being in there. That would be my guess why that's there. >> It's just been there for so long that now we have hydraulic soils. >> Yeah.

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>> Is there any plan to try to filter that stuff coming off the road? >> So, we're just do it in the wetland. drop out in the wetlands. >> That That's a good question. Um we do show just for cash basins. Um those

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would be catch basins with sumps that help filter the sediments. >> Um >> so I think that's an improvement over what's there. The catch basins there today don't really have much of a sump. So it kind of goes in and goes out.

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>> Okay, that's all I got. And uh I guess last point is I I am working with the property owners to help do some minor improvements to the drainage um channel. Um so I do understand I'd have to come back here for whatever's whatever comes from that.

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>> Okay. Actually just so I thought you did say that there was street flooding issues as it was being presented. So, the fact that you're staying at 24 in seems to be maybe

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against what that statement is. >> Uh, I wouldn't say there's flooding issues. Um, it's more of a um issue with the drainage outlet location right now. It it basically fills up with sediment and it's where it is. It's it's so low

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that it it doesn't um it it backs up pretty frequently just >> okay. from from hydraulic standpoints. >> Okay. So, the existing the existing outflow that's being abandoned >> that's that's plugging that's becoming a

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a challenge and and so you're getting flooding essentially on the east side of the road, let's say. >> Um well, we're not really getting a lot of flooding on the road because anything that doesn't go into the drain system, it it basically keeps running down the

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road. Um, so it basically bypasses that area because it is on quite a slope. Um, but I do know that the pipes that we're replacing are in poor condition. So I think that's causing some issues with to back up. >> Exactly. Okay.

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And having I think having the the new drainage line be longer to extend further into the easement would help whatever flooding concerns that the neighbors that the water is having >> because then we're pushing the water further into the ement than having it end.

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>> Yeah. >> All right. No need for a site visit on this one in your opinion. >> I'm not to that area. If you guys want to go. >> All right. A motion, Mr. Bacon.

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Tuition rate negative determination. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> recording in progress. >> No. What did I do? I hit the wrong. >> I'm having a I'm having a moment. >> Don't mind me. >> Was that something you did? Yeah, you're

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having a moment today. >> Having a moment. >> Before you go, can I ask you a question? >> Yes. >> Or or just not ask you something, just to alert you that the the little bridge, the causeway between

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Sandy Pond and Flanigans, you know, on Snake Hill. >> Yep. >> Beavers are starting to plug it. >> I bro, >> I did tell Dan that I think a two weeks ago. >> Okay. after I told him about beaver in there. >> Um,

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>> all right. Well, >> we we're starting to get a lot of beaver calls, so we'll add that >> to add it to our beaver watch list. >> Yes. I I don't know if we have a beaver deceiver setup. >> We might have to add one. >> Never been an issue. >> It's never been an issue. We had a we had to put the the caging around the

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trees to keep the beaver from gnawing at them along this along the the Snake Hill Road a couple years ago. And I think that deferred them for a while, but it was just, you know, a matter of time for before they started clogging it. >> Are they doing the flanigan side or the standing pond side?

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>> It's right in the middle. It's underneath. It's right in the >> Oh, under Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. If it was on on >> Yeah. >> If it was on the outside, it'd be easy to take care of. >> Yeah. Jeff Jefferson told me about him. It's right smack dab in the middle of the

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You have to like get in the water and get If you were to put a a deceiver there, would that restrict access through there? >> Yeah. >> By boots? >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Not a good >> So, not a good idea.

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>> So, what would you like to have? >> That's a discussion for another time. >> It is usually possible to to, you know, lie down flat and use the ceiling underneath there to pull yourself through with all the bugs. Yeah, we'll have to we'll have to I'll I'll talk

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with we'll talk with the end about it. >> Thank you. >> Did I tell you >> see on the 23rd? >> 23rd. >> Okay. Thank you, Matt. >> Okay. We're done there. Okay. Next on the

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agenda is opening a public hearing for 153 Oakidge Drive. Uh D file number 100-0502. I'm going to botch the pronunciation of your last name, but Heather Soric Bowick.

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>> Bomic. >> Just Bow. You got it. Okay. >> All right. So, would you like to describe your >> Sure. Um, my name is Dan Wolf. I'm with David Ross Associates and uh representing the Bowix tonight at 153

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Oakidge Drive. They have an existing house shown here on the on the plan. It's a I'm guessing 1970s vintage split entry home. There's also a detached or was a detached garage which I believe

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was connected at some point by um a little connector which is used as storage area. Right now they would like to put an addition on the home as well as making other interior renovations as well as taking that storage area between

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the house and the garage and that's going to be completely rebuilt. There's really no good foundation under it. So, they're putting a foundation under that and uh reconstructing that portion of the house in the rear portion of the existing

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house there that is kind of has a a dot pattern on the plan that also is an addition. That addition is going to match the first floor elevation of this split entry home. Um that whole area there will be

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supported by sauna tubes. So we are not excavating for any foundation or seller hole there. So there'll be a series of sauna tubes there holding that up. >> Um this is in a typical residential

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yard. um underneath um the addition will remain that flag stone patio and the rest of that area currently is just a a lawn area. So it's it's nothing natural or or uh

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um well natural is the word I'm looking for. So um so that is the proposal. Um we do have the 100 foot buffer zone that extends well out to the front of the house. That's the dark dash line and the

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line that goes through just a small part of the addition there, that's the 50 foot offset. Now, again, we're we're sensitive to the fact that your bylaw would like us to stay out of the 50 foot, but the bylaw also speaks of uh

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natural areas within the 50 ft should not be disturbed. I hope I'm not interpreting that wrong, but it's in an already disturbed man-made area of lawn. Um, we have surrounded the whole

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construction area with erosion control and I would imagine most if not all of the access would be down at the bottom of the the the screen there on that side of the property. It just gets real tight to the property line on the uh on the

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upper side, the north side. So that access point there, as you can see, has uh erosion control protecting anything that might uh loosen up uh with foot traffic or or small equipment traffic.

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And um no vegetation other than lawn will be affected. We did locate the trees there, you can see, and none of those trees are to be removed or damaged. And I think that's probably about it. If

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I can answer any questions, I'd be happy to. The proposed addition that's it's already there's something already there, correct? I mean, it's already roofed over and >> No, it's not. Uh there was a flag stone

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patio shown on the plan there. The only the only part of the addition that is already there is this section here. >> Right. That's that's the part I was talking about. >> Right. That is a storage area that links the two structures. That's going to be

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demolished and a new foundation put under that and then the structure rebuilt. >> Right. >> I guess my question was it's already got a roof. >> Yes. >> So you're not adding any more >> runoff. impervious surface. It's already

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there. >> Well, the this also is an addition, right? >> Yeah. >> But it and what is that surface? What's that? >> That's the flag stone. >> That's the flag stone and lawn. It >> flagstone lawn and above it is going to be a deck. >> Above it is going to be a roofed

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>> structure part of an addition. So, it's going to be the house. >> Yes. >> I thought Okay. >> Mhm. >> I thought it was a deck. Trust me, we stared at the plans for a while too, thinking, "What are they doing here?" And and the concept that we finally

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grasped onto is that flag stone and lawn area will remain there. >> Yep. >> And the structure is built above cuz it's a split entry. So that first floor elevation's a bit elevated. >> Right now along the back of the house is

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a uh like a porch walkway that's cantally cantalvered. Um, so that will come off and the addiction put on. >> So the flag stone will all stay as as is. And it's just going to be what? >> And they will probably do the whole area

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there with just crushed stone because with with a structure above it, you're not going to get any sunlight, >> right? >> So that will remain impervious, >> right? >> And uh fill that with stone or or more flag stone if you >> No, it'll remain pvious. >> It'll remain pvious. Yes.

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>> Yeah. improve right now. Okay. >> The area between the addition and then the garage that's going to be >> demolish the existing foundation and removing it and then putting in a new >> new foundation and new structure above.

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>> Okay. >> There's probably not much of a foundation there right anyway. >> That's why it's being reconstructed. It's like probably some rock or or maybe a pier here and there, but it's in inadequate for what they're playing. >> And the sauna tubes are going to be in

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the supporting the structure in the flagstone area. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. And if I can, if I may, the the new part

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above the flag stone that is going to get uh the runoff is going to go where. Um we can add um what we call a a roof drip line trench at the bottom. In other words, where where

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runoff is coming, we can put a trench right at the base there, which might be a good demarcation between the lawn and the space underneath to have that as an open stone trench. >> I think it's even written into our narrative.

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>> I would think and I would think for the when the building permits applied for, they require you to do something for the roof run up anyway. >> Could be. I I I believe I saw it in attachment A that we said that we put in uh

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>> stone infiltration trench. >> Stone infiltration trench. Yes. >> That's real sandy soil. I'm assuming because it is. Yeah. So it'll it'll accept it no problem. >> Why? Because there's pines in >> there just pine trees.

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>> The existing office and garage, those are staying close. Nothing changing there. Yeah, correct. >> Okay. And the the proposed concrete pad, is that extending beyond the dark rectangle of the proposed addition >> or Okay, it is.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. So, that will technically be additional impervious, but it is just outside the 50 foot. >> Correct. >> All right, John, you were thinking this is one we should take a look at.

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sidewalk. So, um under uh fit that in on the 23rd 9:00. Okay. Any other comments from commission members? >> Soil storage on site.

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Yeah. >> Yeah. Good question. Um, as I mentioned, the the bulk of the addition area is is uh sauna tubes, so it would be uh minimal digging there, but there will be some materials that are excavated for

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the new foundation. Um, boy, you guys always ask the tough questions. I'm I'm trying to think. Um, I know you would love it if we were storing them as far away as possible, but of course that um

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>> that foundation that'll generate a lot of the fill is probably at its furthest extreme in >> um something with it. >> Yeah. And and uh most likely it'll be

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removed from the site. Um, but some materials need to stay to back fill after that foundation is in there. So, >> it would be best if we could uh stockpile it right to the rear portion of that foundation area.

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>> There is that triangle there outside of the 50. I'm not saying that we could leave it outside the 50, but um that's probably the furthest away from the resource area that we could temporarily have stockpiles.

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>> Well, how big of equipment are you bringing through because you could stockpile it right next to the AC unit there? >> Um all the way over here. >> Over there. Um yeah, that's a possibility. And um since we're having a

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sitewalk, I assume the meeting will be continued. >> So with the sitewalk, we can specifically take a look at what you think might be the best location. >> Yeah. >> I guess from a timing perspective, would you be pouring your sauna tubes

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the same time you're p pouring your full foundation? >> They they would probably want to do the foundation first. Um, but I I have not talked to the the general contractor to know how his schedule is working out

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>> because you could also put it right next to the driveway if you come through that space. But >> that's that's true, too. The uh pouring of that concrete could probably be done from the front, right? >> Yeah, >> good point there. No, you want to park

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symmetry on a paved surface anyway. You want to bring it down around, >> right? >> Yeah. >> All good conditions to think of, too. >> Do you know if the that little

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part that's in between the garage and the house, is that foundation going to be like slab or is that going to be >> um I believe it's a slab. Yes. Okay. >> And I'm just seeing it now. There's an existing fence right there along the

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water's edge. >> There is a fence there. Yeah. >> It's the area over the flag stone built up. That'll be the area that's about 4 ft closer to the wetland to the pond. >> Yes. we show the two dimensions there um

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in comparison to the uh well I can't read it from here so I'll open my plan the the the um the base of the stairs is going to be 42 ft from the resource area and the actual corner of the addition is 46

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45 ft What is the base of the stairs? Is that another pad? >> Yeah, just just a little block of of concrete there just to support the the base of the the stringers. >> Okay.

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>> And there's no proposed walkway going down. >> No. So, anything you want date in particular marked for that? >> I think the important thing to have marked on site would be the corners of the the proposed um additional the

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patio. >> And we have the 50 foot >> and yeah, >> a couple flags on the 50 foot. >> Mhm. I'm sorry. You just said a couple of flags at the 50 foot. >> Yeah. >> Just to have an understanding where >> you got that kind of that pink of the tri peak of the triangle. You can

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definitely get one in that spot. Let's say where it's where that upper corner of that concrete pad is. You can get one roughly in that area too. And then I think >> you know again a couple down as it cuts through the addition and through the stairway. >> Yeah. >> Right to that existing concrete

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retaining wall. We can assume that that's within a a foot of it. >> Yeah. >> If that's a retaining wall, is that retaining the dirt from the right side going down onto those or >> the right side is higher?

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>> Got it. >> That the left side of that wall. >> How high is that? From the contours I'm reading there, that 232 goes under the deck, right? >> So, I would imagine one 2 ft at the highest. So, probably just a little

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garden in the wall because >> Okay. >> There's no other trees in that whole area. It's all lawn. >> All lawn. This is good. No trees go away. So >> yeah, >> how green is

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>> one time no trees go away or no trees positive? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Let's say that you know for the sitewalk uh we'll be there between 9 and 9:15 just to give us a little

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>> and I >> to to keep familiarity. I'd like to say I'd be there but it may be someone else. We'll see what's going on. What do you on vacation that week? >> Actually, it's it's the following week.

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I'm going to >> gonna be there. You need to be there. >> So, I'm heading I'm heading to Italy after that. Two weeks left. >> I've never been overseas, so I cannot wait. So, this will be great. >> What part of Italy?

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>> Florence, Milan, and Bolognia. >> Oh, wow. >> You'll have a wonderful time. Thank you. >> Yes. Do we have any public comments? >> No. >> Are you a neighbor or >> the next one? >> I'm here for the next one.

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>> The next one. Okay. >> It was a full agenda. >> All right. So, um, >> nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thank you very much. >> We have a motion to continue the public hearing to May 28th. >> So, second.

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>> All in favor? >> I I opposed. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> How you doing? >> I'm fine, actually. Good. >> The ice pack really helps.

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>> It's helping. >> All right. All right. Next on the agenda is public hearing to amend the order of conditions for New England Power Company uh file number 100-0493

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for work at the Zero Bishop Road substation. And would you state your name? >> Sure. I'm Paul Martin with BSC Group representing New England Power. We've been working around this substation for a number of years.

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>> Yeah. Um, and the original uh project involved uh expanding the fence line of the substation to accommodate some of the new equipment that's going in that resulted in fill and wetland and

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bordering land subject to flooding. So with that NOI filing, we uh included this wetland replication area. Um, at the time the culvert that comes under Bishop Road was plugged up. And

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what we're finding is once the town cleaned that out, uh, we're getting more water into the system than we observed previously. And so we're looking to um move some of that water away from the wetland

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replication area uh into the uh remaining existing wetland because it's having a adverse effect on our ability to get the vegetation to take. So this is a photo of last October when we were

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pretty much wrapping things up. You can see the shrubs planted throughout. I don't know if they had yet put in all the plugs for the herbaceous plants or whatever, but there was, you know, several hundred plugs of

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wool grass and um sedge and um maybe soft brush. So that was kind of the condition that we we saw in terms of the ditch and u groundwater levels. So then all

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winter, you know, it was it was there was some water in there. It was ice covered. When the ice went out and snow melt and everything else, more water coming out of the culvert. This is what the replication area looked

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like. The deepest part of the replication area had been excavated to an elevation of 217. In this photo, I would say the water depth over that portion that was at the 217 elevation is probably close to two

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feet of water, which none of the, you know, shrubs or other plugs were species that were adapted to that kind of inundation. And we were kind of hoping, you know, that maybe it would it would drain out.

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It does drain out along the stone here between the stone and the waddle that's in place. You can see there is some water flowing out there now. >> And then if you go to the next photo, so that was March 27th

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and so you know a month and a week plus almost 2 weeks the water still had not come down very much. You can see a few of the shrubs in the foreground that were placed at a 218 elevation have

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survived, but all those other ones that are further out and all through the wetland, a lot of them, I don't know whether it was the ice during the winter, but the they were actually pulled out of the soil and they're sitting on their side. So, you've got the pot and then the plant. Um

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and then uh if you go to the next slide. So the original design is on the left. It's a little hard to see the 217 elevation which is a little >> right there. And then we we came before

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you and uh the right hand side we revised it and made the 217 a much longer area and we also kind of broadened the 218 elevation. You can see that the upper end of it became like

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more square and fleshed out. >> Mhm. >> So we added a lot more BLSF compensatory storage. Um and at the time again I'm we realized we were in a little bit of a drought last fall. So

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>> um it was not quite maybe typical conditions but um this is the way the thing was designed. I'm showing in the right hand um plan the little blue rectangular box is what we're here today to talk about. When they originally dug

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that ditch, they side cast this soil and created, I don't know, a two to three foot high ridge along either side of it. And you can see the darker contour that intercepts where the blue rectangle is. That's the remnants of that ridge coming

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down along where the um channel was. So, we want to make a cut through that ridge to allow more water to drain out for more of the spring. So we don't keep running into dying plants every spring because we we won't

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ever get to our 75% minimum vegetation cover. Everything keeps dying off. So if you go to the next slide, there's a a photo of that area. I don't know if you I mean you can kind of see

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where the waddle >> Mhm. >> goes up. So you can kind of get a sense of that's like I don't know 12 to 16 in of soil and then in the lower right beyond the blue box you can see some standing water at the toe of the stone.

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So that's where you know we would expect water to flow down and then intercept and flow into the rest of the existing wetland. >> So in the lower left that water there that's that's the remnants of the existing wetland right? Yeah, that would be okay. >> That would be about where we would have

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water going into the rest of the wetland, which in this area is still a lot of shrubs, but if you go with more in the center of the wetland, it gets a little deeper and there's purple loose tri and um not too much fragmitees, but purple

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loose tri and cattails out there. So th this whole edge along the channel that was you can see a lot of shrubs and stuff that you know can don't tolerate as much water. >> So that's the intent.

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>> The distance of that is about 15 ft. >> Yeah. 5 by 5 by 15 ft. Take it down 12 in 14 in. And so if you multiply 5 by 15 by 12 you come up with 2.78 cubic yards of soil. it would be removed and we

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would dispose of it in the upland area. When we've been doing other work on the site, they just have been taking soil across the street and up onto the rightway and just spreading it out up there in a in an upland area.

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And I had uh Neil Lon from Lon Landscaping out there Monday morning to make sure that we could access along the crushed stone that goes along the new fence of the substation. and he says um his mini excavator can can walk along

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there. So, we aren't going to have to access through the wetland or access through the replication area. >> Um the one thing he might have to do is add a little stone in that vicinity to make

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a little bigger platform cuz the mini excavator doesn't have much of a reach. So you might need to, you know, come out like three feet, do the digging, and then after the digging in the blue box is done, then he would pull that extra stone out and basically

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recreate the stone slope that on that New England Power put in. He said he wasn't sure. the the mini excavators obviously don't have as big a track, so they're a little bit more wobbly. And he was a little worried that if he had some of his tracks kind of

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over the edge and he was reaching far out that it would pull it over. So he he wanted me to present that he may have to add two or three feet uh to make a little more of a platform, feel comfortable with his reach.

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>> Basically right at that wood stake. >> Yeah. Right in there. Yep. cuz I think he said his mini excavator it can reach eight but when you're reaching and lifting >> right >> that's the whole fulcrum effect I'm sure you guys understand that

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>> so when you take the 12 in down what what height will that channel then be that 217 >> no we're not going to be able to get to I'd have to go a lot deeper >> I think that'll match the 218 >> okay >> cuz that's what the water area on the

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left side of the rectangle is that's in about a 218 area. >> Okay. But if that's currently at 218 height of the water, you're not getting plants growing there. So if you take it down 12, you're still going to be at 218. The water's not

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going to necessarily move. >> Well, I'm hoping a little bit lower than 218. I'm hoping that I mean we we could go to you know 16 in or something and get it down but I think just even removing water between you know 219 218

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and then allow more percolation and infiltration cuz it's pretty sandy soils in that area. But um that 217 may always have we may have intercepted groundwater.

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And so one of the things I talked with Neil about is once we do this and we get it drained out and we see where the new stable water table might be, uh we might have to rethink some of the plant species for that 217 elevation.

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>> That's okay. Mhm. >> Which was one of I think one of the original comments we got back from um D when this was first proposed. >> Yeah. >> Was that the plant species might need to be adjusted given the actual water that may be coming in. >> Okay. So then taking the 12 in out

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giving down to 218 >> and maybe re-evaluating that next next season. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Is there any reason not to go down a little bit deeper? I mean, while you're there, >> I mean, what's I'm just

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>> I Let me >> I don't I don't want to back drain the existing well in into the replication area. >> Yeah. And then you don't you're not knowing where exactly ground water is. Even if you excavate it down if you're getting too close to ground water, it wouldn't make a difference anyway, >> right?

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>> Cuz then you're bubbling everything up. >> Okay. I was just >> Good question. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, cuz I was thinking about ground water. >> You look right here, there's an existing topo 218 right there. >> Yep.

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>> So going down to 217 in the blue thing would be lower than the the wetland, the existing wetland out here. And I don't want to drain that wetland into our replication. >> No, I see. Sure. Yep. You don't want to right.

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>> Yeah. And when you dig that out, are you going to put rip wrap in there or something just to or just let it be natural? >> No, I think we would just let it I mean, we we could take some of our cuz all the little soft rush and bull rush and

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whatever else the we could drop a few plugs in there cuz he's going to have to purchase a bunch to replace all the ones that got lifted out. Uh when we were out there on Monday and it it it has dropped down closer to 217 and a half. I walked

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around the edge and you know how you get a flat with 50 little plugs in them. They were like three over here laying on their side, two over here laying on there. They all got pulled out of the soil. Not all of them, but >> probably 50 or throughout the whole

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thing. There were probably 50 or 75 of the little plugs that had gotten pulled out by the ice or something. >> Would it be the >> sidewalk on this one? >> I have been out to the site to see basically what this picture shows here. Um that's entirely up to the commission

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what they would like. Um because it's an active natural uh natural grid, I believe they require um hard hats and safet and safety vests to go out of there or >> not. If we stay if we stay outside the fence, we'll be I think you're a good boy. >> Yeah, I think we'd be fine if you wanted

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to come out and see. >> What do you think, George? >> I don't think it's necessary. >> Okay, Joe. >> No. And just so you know, when you go out there and look on the where that red arrow is outside of that when I was out, was it end of April? I think it was

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very, very beginning of May. >> You can see the it's actually the the water's flowing out on that side, too. So kind of taking this up would just connect the two channels. >> So it's kind of like almost making an island. >> Yeah. >> When it tries to flow out.

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>> So I think that's why that area was picked to try to connect the two. >> Sure. >> Right. >> Yep. >> You just can't see that from others. >> And I didn't want to go with something as narrow as like 2 feet because 10 years from now with leaf litter and plants, it'll just plug up and so I

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wanted to go for something reasonable that would have years and years of openness. cuz I was like, well, what if they don't like 5 by 15t area? But I think, you know, two or three feet, it'll probably just plug up in five or seven years and

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we'll be back to dealing with ponded water. Too too much ponded water. >> Mhm. >> All right. So, any other questions, comments? Where are you in terms of So, I I drafted the order. I didn't create any

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new special conditions on this. I don't know if that's something you would would like to have outside of the other ones we've already had for the original order. Um, knowing that they will have to most likely come back. Um, they might have to come back with, you know, change the planting plan. Um, that would be

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incorporated in this. And I that's a a condition I can just throw in at the end of the um long list of the original special conditions request required. But I I do have the um amended order also. >> Okay. Well, let's proceed then.

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George motion. >> Is your motion ma'am? >> Yes. I move to uh issue an order conditions for TP file 100-0493 >> amended order. >> Amended order.

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>> Yeah. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I >> opposed. >> All right. >> You didn't vote. >> Yeah, I abstained. Sorry. >> Mark Phillips abstained. Okay.

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>> George, John, you seconded, right? Or did you second? >> Second. >> What? >> John, you need to second. Second. >> Oh, thank you. All in favor? >> I abain. >> I will. >> Opposed?

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>> I >> All righty. >> Awesome. >> Thank you very much. >> And uh >> you get our our reports. >> Yes, I do. >> From weekly inspections. >> Weekly inspections and everything looks good. Yeah. >> And all this work will still get done

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under the original filing with the BMPs if New England Power applies to their work and stuff. So >> all that will still be in effect. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> All right. Have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Do you have a motion to close the public

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hearing? >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> opposed. >> Abstain. >> Okay. >> Um,

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>> last but not least, >> last but not least, request for partial certificate of compliance. >> Changing seats. >> Three Mountain Laurel Drive. >> D file number 100-0220.

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This is an old order of conditions. >> Oh, yeah. With us is the homeowner Mark Phillips who has stepped aside from his role on the commission for this. >> I have >> swung around the table as it were. Um I

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don't know. Should we >> sitewalk? >> Sidewalk. Yeah. I think we need to >> Hi there. He all clear on >> Yes. >> Oh yes. >> So this is a partial certificate of compliance. Um because this particular

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subdivision was done with a single with a >> single one. Yes. And we have I think at least two other ones for this D number. >> Um >> so and given the perspective own uh buyer for the property, I have looked at it

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extensively. Um number of different GIS sites, everything is there as it should be in a stable. Good one. >> Um, the PE people looking at offer an offer on the house have asked lots of questions. So, I've looked at it. >> There's lot probably more than Mark has.

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>> Any comments other than where we're left in do this one? >> Okay. So motion to issue a partial certificate of compliance for three mountain Laurel Drive D file number

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100-0220. >> So move second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Are you technically abstaining? >> No, he's not voting. >> He's recused, isn't he? Or

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>> Mhm. >> All right. You may rejoin us. Thank you, commission. I should have picked that up. >> Okay. >> Cruising. >> Yeah. Good time. >> A lot. >> Good times.

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>> Good times. Okay. So, uh, next up is conservation office and member updates. Um, so >> take it away, Heather. one item that we we need to um figure out before the end of the fiscal year. Um hopefully before the end of uh end of the next meeting,

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if not this one. Um in regards to the sign that we would possibly like to have new signage for the High Meadow Conservation Area, I had reached out to Chuck Schultz, the facilities director, who purchased the signs that we have

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outside of here in town hall, >> the kiosk. the Kia. Yep. And also the one at um the Rail Trail. >> Yeah. >> So, I got a this the specs for that and the price for those. Figuring in my in in my crazy OCD head, it would be nice

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if all the town kiosks were the same. I just think that would be nice aesthetic aesthetic wise. Um so, the price for that, for that one that's out there is $1,800 each. >> Each. Um the plan for the Pine metro

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sign new signage is to try to do one a fiscal year to spread the costs out. >> Um we have enough money in the budget. I I haven't I didn't bring the numbers with me, but I know I had checked beforehand to ensure that there was enough money in the in the budget for this year to do that. Um

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>> um I would if we do it, I'd prefer the one on Goten Harvard Road first. >> First. >> Okay. just because that one is in terrible shape and I think that that's the one we're going to do first is we're on top of it first. Um, I just have to verify and figure out if it's

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something that I first one I have to reach out to DQW to see if we can deliver it to them because it comes on a lift truck that they have to link lower it. I think it's stored somewhere and then figure out since >> truck had installed these ones here and I believe he did the one at the at the

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um rail trail that to see if it's something we can put there. And I'd have to double check the measurements before we did to make sure we fit in the area we have. I did look at two other ones that aren't quite as um big of a sign.

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They are I think almost the same width, but they're not as as as tall as far as the corkboard availability on there. Um and they ended up being um about $5 to $600 cheaper. um still with the same look as those ones with the green

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and the little like pitched roof on top, but um they did they were a little bit cheaper, but they didn't didn't look to behold quite as much, >> right? >> Um so it's just a matter of what the commission would prefer to do. Um, the only reason why I asked to try to do

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this before June is once June hits the um, purchasing requirements for the town change because we're getting close to the end of the fiscal year and anything over $1,000 needs prior approval from the town manager's office and if I can do this before then I don't.

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>> So, it just saves a step. It's not I don't want to. It just saves >> before the end of the month. >> Yes, we can figure before the end of the month. Uh, I can make copies of the things I have here or I could send you guys links to these if you want to mold over before the next meeting. Um, we do already have an account with the town

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account with the obviously the company that we purchased the other two from. So that saves time on that as well. >> So it's $1,800. That's just for the sign. >> The sign I believe in the posts. >> The So the one showed it as basically sitting in two steel

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>> things. >> Yes. Two footings. >> What would we be putting them on? they would there'd be similar installation on that. So, I would probably before I'd order it, I would double check with Chuck if he wanted to come out with me and look at it to see if it's something he thinks we could install there without any issue just before we would go

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through and make that big of a purchase and then um or have him either drive by and look at it or go two of us go together just to verify it. So, >> okay. But I think I because there's already the the firegate that's there. I'm

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assuming that there's not too much rock in the air and it would be able to dig something down far enough to install it. >> One would assume >> maybe not. >> You wouldn't have >> no that plate. >> You wouldn't have the plates. They would be buried in the ground. >> Yeah. Just buried in the ground. Yep.

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>> And it's a plastic. >> You could have a plate. I mean, if you if you did a small below four feet and then, >> you know, put the plate on top of that. >> Sure. Mhm. Y >> you don't necessarily want it shifting. But I don't know. I'm assuming the ones that are that's in there has been there a while.

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>> Is it just buried in the ground? >> Yeah. >> It's it's fairly been fairly sturdy, right? >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So then Yeah. Maybe don't need a song tube at all. >> It's 3 ft. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So this could be something which should

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last for >> Yeah. These should last for years. For a while. And they have a locking key. Obviously the ones here and the one at the real you know are in the elements that they haven't had any water issues going in there and up at Pine Medall Bri Harvard same thing it is um kind of under tree cover a little bit so that

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would help with anything like that >> um and then we once we had the sign installed then we can start looking at putting um new you know pictures signage trail maps and everything in there and so I can make it look >> like a conservation area >> and you know hunting season dates and things like that.

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>> Yeah. Um hopefully they possibly put >> or a regular >> trash cleanup bags, you know, attached to it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That they offer. >> Um as soon as we put a garbage can in someone is in charge of cleaning it up.

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>> So it's better to have a carry in and carry out. So on this on in one of the signage and stuff, we don't have that on there. >> I agree. >> Yeah. When you when you put garbage stand there, people use them and then it's a matter of who's going to get out there to >> empty it. wouldn't take it to the

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transfer station, ends up there. Um, plexiglass, I assume, correct? >> Easily replaceable in the in the event of graffiti, scratching, whatever. >> I would I'll I'll double check. >> I would assume that, but I'll double check. I mean, this one does. I think

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this this one here does have one of them I know had like add-ons of LED lighting and this. >> So, I would assume they'd have plexiglass, but I will verify. >> I'm just assuming, you know, again, carving or whatever into it. Yeah. Right. >> Somebody's

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>> in the woods, but it's with this. I know it's it's on the side of the road. It's not one of the ones that's inside. >> Understood. >> Conservation. Hopefully, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. >> Yeah. Just >> just knowing that if there needs to be maintenance later on, how easy is it to do it?

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>> Yeah. Okay. I will I'll verify >> just to think about. >> Yeah. So assuming if they do anything here and they haven't done anything on the rail trail. >> If they haven't anything on the rail trail I wouldn't think it'd be much of an issue. Yeah. >> As long as that one's up because that's more walking whereas Bron Harvard road

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people usually just pass walk on that road people going into the conservation land >> whereas I think on Oakidge would be on the road but that would probably have more of a concern. >> Yeah. >> What are the dimensions of the $1,800

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one? the dimensions. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Overall dimensions 53 wide, 7 in deep, 118 in high. That's got to be

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with the legs and everything, right? >> Yeah, probably. >> It's one solid piece. Yeah. >> So, >> you're going to bury it. >> It looks 24 in of at least on the feet. It looks like a little bit over like 4 and 1/2 ft square

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>> with that thing. >> And this would be 3 and 1/2 ft square. The smaller one. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> So, it's just a matter if you think you need a bigger surface for for displaying stuff. >> Mhm.

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>> If you need a big one or a little one. >> I didn't notice. Are they the exact same design just a little bit smaller? >> Yeah, pretty much. >> The one from the Uline and the one that's the company that's out here, they look pretty much identical except for the um the the actual signage part is is

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smaller. >> So maybe you could just do a mockup size-wise cuz if we can fit everything in the smaller one and save 600 bucks. >> Yeah, that's my thought too. It was like, well, how >> like just lay it out here like in the thing, you know, and >> yeah, >> I'd put this in this in this in and see

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how it fits and >> Yep. >> Right. >> easier to install a small one. >> Wouldn't be as heavy. >> Not as heavy. >> I mean, maybe you wouldn't have to wait till the following year for the next one. You can maybe do >> Could I see that? >> I'd be inclined to put the big one on

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Harvard Road. >> Yeah. >> We wanted if we wanted we could do both. Yeah. and then into a smaller one cuz I would assume the oak would be a little bit smaller. And then one of the has actually has trail signs to the look in there. So I would assume that we to find

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something they carried into the park in the in order to get the one inside in there. These big ones weigh a couple hundred pounds. We're not carrying it in there. We'd have to get something smaller. >> They do the Eagle Scouts taking it.

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>> I did that with the benches. It was not fun. the real bear hunting. >> It might not be a bad idea then too to put like a little mailbox slot on there of some sort to have a little paper map that you know people could take >> Mhm. >> and you know then drop back off

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>> or take with them whatever. >> I look at them I I'm pretty sure they both have it. They almost like a double post. So it's I'm sure it's something you could screw into the side. >> Yeah. So, we're thinking um go with the matching one. >> Yeah, I just want to verify what's out

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there now for size wise to make sure it's similar size and not too much bigger. And then, yeah, we can do that. And I said, I just got to double check with >> Chuck to make sure it's something that, you know, he would he could help out with >> since he has the truck. >> So, what you need from us is authorization to keep going.

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>> Yes. Yes. >> Because it's a lot of money. Spend it. >> Just do it. I know for once I'm actually going to use up our budget for clothes, too. So, >> we've generally been pretty parimonious, so >> Mhm. >> Oh, yeah. I usually don't. >> Okay. So, okay.

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>> Do we don't need to vote on that one? >> No, that's if that's the one you want me to to push through, I will I will do that. >> John, what do you think? >> Big one, Croten, and Harvard Road. See how that works. And then we can also see how much area we want to use. >> Mhm. I Yeah, I agree.

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>> We're deciding on the other one next year. And I think yeah, depending on how we we do them as as places I've seen with bigger signs, um obviously they more of an area to do it on they'll do um pictures of certain things like through the season like I thought that

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would be nice to >> so you can see what >> is it two side posting too or are they one side? >> No, it's one side. >> Just one side. Okay. >> I mean you could get >> you could you could put stuff on the back side on the outside. >> I mean I think they do they do have ones that are doublesided.

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Maybe they could carve the map into the back. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Oh, this is what it does. Yeah. It comes with you can get LED lighting. >> All right. So, why don't you uh confer with Chuck? You're you're cleared to go

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ahead with the up to the $1,800 one. >> Mhm. >> But if conditions after conferring with Chuck are such that you need to go smaller, >> obviously that's not a problem. >> Okay. >> Okay. Next, >> um

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>> the updates. >> Do you have anything else for updates? Um the only other thing else that we I met with um Beth Meyer and Casey Lee from BSC. Um and we went over some of the pocket forest or the the pilot site here and

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the truth pocket forest over on Devon's. We will be having a work day on May 30th at the Pocket Forest here on East Main Street. Um, and that helps with St. Andrew's Church and we'll be inviting the public out for that. >> Sorry, May 30th.

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>> May 30th. Yeah, I think we're doing it at 9:00 because I didn't want to get up early. Um, and Jews on the ground. So, we'll be working there to hopefully put down some cardboard and mulch to kind of reestablish some pathways through there. hoping to get some

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more plants to to put in because a lot of the plants that we put in last year um didn't make it and um doing some weeding. So if anybody wants to come out and do that on May 30th >> and that's which one?

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>> The East Main Street site. >> Okay. >> And then from there we'll we working on getting more dates for the Sandy Pond School and the high school. The one by Sandy Pon School looks fantastic. >> It looks fantastic. >> We really We mulched that one a We put a lot of leaf debris down and mulched it

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really heavily, so the uh weeds really haven't popped in through it at all. It's doing very well. >> That's great. >> Mhm. All right. Anything else? >> That's all I got right now. >> West Main Street proceeding.

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>> West Main Street Bridge. Yeah, that's that's proceeding. Um I think they would be meetings on that. I still haven't seen I know if they do any before they do any closures for the roadway they'll put this they'll they'll blast up on the on the town's Facebook. So I haven't seen anything as far as that goes. So

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I'm sure they're still working on ground and logistics to before they get to that point. So no road closures yet? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. All right. Commissioners,

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>> we Jess and Heather and I >> were uh at the working group for 71 Sandy Pond. Um Jess and I were in person. Heather zoomed in >> and it's going to the select board this

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coming Tuesday. sort of expressed my discontent with the current offerings at 71 and we'll see what happens. It's just

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to me there's nothing there that is going to draw people to that location other than parking their car. It's got a little hiking trail maybe How long is that going to be? 200 yards.

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>> Um, depends. I know we don't want to go all the way to the end because of the railroad at the end. And I know um some of the people in the working group um expressed concern about having a hiking trail that's basically back >> people's backards >> people's backyards. Y

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>> um so I don't think it'll be very big because that property is just long and thin, >> right? So there's that. There's a an area for exercising, which to me seems

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a little lackluster. I mean, I it's not a a a destination. Let's go work out at the, you know, I don't see it happening. You might, if you're there, you might do it maybe. And then you got a a shade structure which

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could be useful, but your view is of the parking lot. And there's a beautiful beach right across the street. So where are you going to go? Jess had said that maybe kids parents and kids might picnic there, but

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there's nothing to keep the kids occupied once they're done eating in two minutes. Mhm. >> Then they can just run off into the street or something. >> No, but you want something some activity for little kids. It's >> why I wanted the um the nature

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playground. >> Yeah. >> My kitchen or whatever. That would have been kept them there. >> Why did that idea go away? >> Okay. >> So, this I still had always liked your idea. Put the basketball court over there where maybe the older kids would

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use that and be across the street. put the shade structure where the basketball court was the play area expand the beach >> the right on site beach access the as you said that a 200yard nature trail that's why we have pine metal

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right if you want to go somewhere you go there you're not going to go like I said behind somebody's backyard which probably the thing is all full of people's dump garbage >> when I when I did the one time I did walk it there actually the only thing I did find was just Christmas trees which >> isn't the worst >> pricing but Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> We'll decide at cemetery. >> Well, what time is the select board meeting on Tuesday? >> They meet at 6. >> 6:00. >> And John, you had asked if what was appropriate to bring up in that venue, and I'd say anything because this is the

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last opportunity to put in some speed bumps. >> Yeah. I mean, it's going to be before the select board for them to what? Just Okay. for the to go ahead. I think there I from what I understood from the

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meeting it's Robert will give what the working we haven't dissolved as a working group >> right >> so it will give an update on what the working group and what the proposal that we're I guess I guess submitting from what I got from Dan is because of the

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concerns that you had raised and it brought up some other ones during that meeting on Monday that he was going to pass those along to Robin whether those make it into the report or not I don't know um but it should be a part of the selected packet when that gets posted on

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should be Friday, should be tomorrow. So, I would I would think to look and see if it's in there. Um, and if it's not, I would reach out to Robert directly before bringing it up during a select board meeting to ensure he knows about it. >> But would definitely do would say

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something at the meeting if it's in there. >> Yeah. I mean, I think there were um a few other members of the working group on Monday who were nodding in agreement with with John's. >> I mean, I I have similar concerns with it as well. I think having having more

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things on there would have been would have been better, but because to me it's not what was discussed at the the Sharette part, but >> No. And and every everyone expressed they don't want it to be a parking lot, just a parking lot. And it feels like

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that's what it's going to be. >> I do have a nice waterway sign though to put up there when it's done. >> Waterway sign. The last of the money from that grant. We made two more signs and one of I want to have I have two I haven't made. I just have a location for them yet and one of them's going to be

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there because there's that wetland area that springs down and goes across the streets. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There will be a sign there. But it just I mean it seems good of moving the basketball court that's impervious surface right next to the pond. >> Move that across the street where

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there's already basically >> correct. Yeah. >> Move that up there and create sanded or grass >> shaped area right next to the >> especially if they do intend to knock down the existing building there to redo

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the plumbing and everything. I mean, again, like you said, you're going to go across the street to eat, but the bathroom and the beach are all on the other side of the street. >> It's just an accent way. >> Yeah. >> So,

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>> so write an email to Robert. >> I'll try I'll try and send one, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And anybody wants to show up at the meeting on Tuesday, >> you're not gonna be here. >> I'm not gonna be here. >> You're not going to be here. >> I'm in Maine.

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>> Where are you going to be? >> Going to be in Maine. >> Whereabouts? >> We're going to uh Bar Harbor days. >> Yeah. Good. >> We're going to go stop and see the forest trolls at the coastal guards. >> Yeah.

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>> Look at these. The the other suggestion we made and I was I was there representing Janet Pradakus and CPC more but uh that there had been talk of having another public forum for community members to weigh in and that

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seemed to have disappeared potentially disappeared. So I just think the people who are going to use it are more likely to use it should also get to weigh in on the final design. Mhm. Sorry.

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>> Yeah. Prior to here's more articles that build it. >> Right. >> Okay. Any other updates? >> I'm good. >> Brought up to to uh Heather the other day when we were chatting. Um, I happen

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to notice that those round do not disturb signs that we have, >> the ones at McDonald's, they're already kind of fading out >> really. >> So, something to consider that you may want to go back and look at where we've

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had them posted that maybe they need to be refreshed. I don't know if we say anything in about having the signs installed and keeping them maintained in perpetuity, but that might be something you may want to add to any further order of conditions.

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>> That's a good point. >> Yeah, they just it looked like the sun beat him up a little bit. I I mean, it didn't look really close, but it definitely wasn't brilliant from what I remember, you know, them looking. So, >> I could make an update to the special conditions on that. Yeah.

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>> All right. What's on our agenda for our next meeting? >> Um, next meeting we'll have um >> few continuations. >> Yeah. Continuation for Orion Park Drive, um, Oakidge Drive, and the

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>> RDA for the, uh, Grove Pond, uh, Culver from, uh, DPW. live. I think it's a primary group. >> Um I think we don't have anything that has come in. So that will be it. >> And I will not be here. >> And you will not be here. >> Heather has to take notes. John has to

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take >> you don't want to know. >> Someone else has to take >> chair and clerk. >> You can record it, right? And just >> this is you can do them. You can do them when you when you have a moment.

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Okay, if there is nothing else, >> motion to adjurnn. So move >> second. >> All in favor? I return to 8:30.