--------- called to order the town of air affordable housing trust um board meeting for Wednesday no sorry Wednesday June uh 3rd um and our first order of business will be
to approve the agenda any changes or edits >> I just stuck the link in the chat too if anyone wants to click into what's on the website >> I I make a motion that we approve the uh minutes for February 26th 2026. >> I second it.
>> Oh, we have to first do the agenda. >> Approve the agenda. >> Oh, I meant agenda. I meant agenda. I meant approve the agenda. I'm sorry. >> Oh, that's what I heard. >> I second that we approve the agenda. >> All right. Uh Jonathan, how do you vote? >> I.
>> Uh Cindy, how do you vote? >> I. >> Pat, how do you vote? >> I. >> And the chair says I. All right. Now we can do the minutes. Uh, I make a motion to approve the February 26, 2026 air affordable housing
trust board minutes. >> Second. >> All right. Uh, Jonathan, how do you vote? >> I. Cindy, how do you vote? >> I. >> Pat, how do you vote? >> I. >> All right. Both are approved. JR says I.
All right. So, with those two things out of the way, um, we'll go ahead and turn it over to you, Katie. >> Great. Thank you. I've been fortunate enough to meet most of you at this point. I was just saying to Pat, I have to find my way over for an introductory,
Pat. Um, but just to to recap, I'm wrapping up my just wrapped up, I guess, my second month with the town, or it'll be two months on Saturday, if you want to call the sixth, my anniversary. Um I come from the nonprofit world. So I was
managing running um acting box bro community compass before being here. So we connected folks to resources opened a community resource center. Um we'd been the local United Way and through strategic planning decided that wasn't any longer the fit for us. So we went
through the process of reinventing ourselves. um through that I have grant managing experience and so um before that was at a nonprofit that did does financial literacy for low-income women. So a decade of sort of
various nonprofit experience. This is my first municipal job. I was a school committee member for a handful of years when my daughter was younger. So I've been board member. I've been on the other side of it. Um, and I grew up in a old towny family in Boxboro. So, my
parents were on every board imaginable. So, I, you know, through that absorbed a little bit. Um, but it's been two great months of learning a lot and lots more to learn. Uh, affordable housing is new, so it's been super exciting to sort of
delve into from this side of things. And yeah, I'm excited to unpack tonight what the trust has been working on. I think especially sort of what the hopes and dreams are for what the trust can do. Um and and do good work together. So I'm so
grateful to have all of you on this team. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. Yes. Thanks. >> Any questions for Katie? All right. Well, thank you for that. Um,
the next item on the agenda is a status update for the CPA funds that were approved at town meeting. >> So, yay, they were approved at town meeting, >> right? >> How much? >> 212 was the number, right?
>> Um, so that was after the increase. It had been 200,000 initially and then in February um you all decided to amend the ask to 212 so that we could up Arap to 14 families. >> Yes.
>> Um and so that that went through. Janet did a beautiful job presenting it very sweetly at town meeting. So grateful to her for that. Um, what I'm still trying to unpack is when does that additional
funding hit in terms of when can we add those two families to AAP? Um, so I did ask the finance department and they were clear that it's FY27 funds.
>> Mhm. So, is that next month or is it that's the FY27 ARAP process which starts in January. I think we could potentially influence what that looks like and I would >> I thought we wanted to do them as soon
as possible. So, that would be >> Yes. >> Am I misremembering that anybody? >> No, you're correct. >> Okay. >> Especially because we had a balance. We had a balance in the trust already. So knowing the funds were coming, we wanted to go ahead and get the the two
additional families up and >> awesome >> certified. >> So is that good to just take the next two people off the waiting list or does some sort of something have some sort of action by the trust have to happen to make that? >> No. Um we've already approved it so you
can go move ahead with them. >> Love it. >> Exciting. We get to make a couple people's year. So that's delightful. Thank you all. >> Um, which also I guess part of the same in the under the same heading in the
agenda is what is the trust balance? >> Yeah. So, I am not yet on the bank account. They're working on it. So, I have some back of the envelope what I think. So, let me share my screen and just show you what I've sort of figured out at some point. You guys can sort of tell me if you think I'm counting for
all the things. So, I pulled up an old spreadsheet of Alicia's and did what I could to play with a little bit. I think sort of where our uncommitted funds will sit after this 212 is at 132. Oops. Did
you all stay on my >> Yep. >> spreadsheet? Okay. Sorry, I clicked out of it. Um, so again, I need to get in the bank account so that I can reality check all of this, but updating what Alicia had done, pulling in the deposits from the
CPC, right? So added the coming one and then the liabilities and commitments. And to this I added the money coming out for Devon's Crest, which does is 170 correct for the trust contribution. That's what I was able to find in the suggested motion, but then I couldn't
find the minutes to verify that that's what was actually voted. >> Yes, I believe that's correct. >> Perfect. Um, and then this is that 14 families. And so that's winds up being a total committed funds of 572 to date.
Um, I wasn't yet sure what this audit figure that was plugged in for six grand, was there? That is get us audited. That's to pay for auditing. It's really expensive. >> Yeah. >> Sure. Has it happened yet, I guess, is
my question. >> Oh gosh. >> I think we had one. >> Okay. >> And we're supposed to >> I think we're due for another one. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, would that be additional money we need to sort of block out as or does this cover? I will learn more and
come back with a better number, especially once I'm in the in the bank account. Um, so I'm sorry I don't have clarity on this quite yet, but >> um, but I think we're looking at about $130,000 in
>> not yet committed money. Okay. Which is Yeah, that sounds about right because I think when we committed the 170 that was going to leave us with about 70,000 and then we'd asked for the additional funds which would double that. So, yeah,
I think that's about just about right. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. Any questions about the balance or >> No, >> the funds approved. Um, >> great.
>> Okay. Um, then next would be the program updates. Um, first would be the air rental assistance program. >> So, not a ton to report. Payments are going out, which is great. Excited that we can let two more households in. Um,
I did write a nice So, the way that the checks have been going out is the landlords basically got a copy of the same memo to the finance department with the check, which felt a little awkward to me. So, for the last one for the remittance with the checks, I wrote a nice letter introducing myself and
invited the landlords to give me feedback about the needs of their tenants or for themselves. I did not hear from any of the landlords, but that did go out a few weeks ago with the June payments. So, I'm hoping to use that communication more consistently as a way
to push stuff out to the landlords. Um, I'm also hoping to figure out over the summer sort of the other side of that is how are we supporting the tenants that are in the program to help them
hopefully get to a situation as they graduate from the program where they're able to stay in the housing, right? So, financial literacy support and job training or helping them access other state programs if they're unable to work
or whatever it might be. Um, so one of my projects over the summer, and I'd welcome anyone's help, but is to sort of figure out what feels most helpful and then reaching out to connect and help people that way. >> We have a um it's a very small workshop.
I have a a person who's going to come in and teach people how to balance their checkbook if they still use a checkbook or balance their bank statement. Um, and if if you run across anybody that you think would find that helpful, you know,
what are all these strange numbers that the bank is sending me? Just ping me and I'll I'll get you all that info. >> We have one in June and hopefully we'll do some more. >> Okay, that's great. Is that part of the Friday or the Saturday? Is that like
>> That's going to be Saturday. >> Great. >> So that more people will be able to come. >> Awesome. >> And so that we can get them privacy. >> Sure. >> She's going to do it like, you know, in ones and twos and not not a big group.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. >> Sandy, that will be down at the Stone Suit Kitchen. >> Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Uh, just so you have the info now, it's it's uh June 20th. Saturday, June 20th from 10 to noon is the first one.
We'll see how it goes and then we'll more. >> All right. >> Is this a local volunteer who might be able to help as cases come up too potentially? >> I'm sorry. they might be able to help sort of as cases come up or is it more
of a you're picturing it sort of scheduled periodically and we can fun that way. >> She's very busy. I'm >> fair enough. >> I'm I'm just I'm thrilled to get her. >> Yeah. No, that's great. Big win.
>> Um the more experienced members of this of this committee, can you remind me what the rhythm is with ARAP? When uh when do we solicit applications? When do we have to make decisions? when the money is distributed. Could you just remind me what the general schedule is for that?
>> Januaryish, I think. Um, >> yeah, the the news that some news starts to go out before that, but it starts to really be talked about in January and then I think Sean, is there a February? >> I think it was. Yeah, I think February
was what they were looking for for everything to be in. But we've also stayed pretty flexible with um rolling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Basically rolling, but ideally it would be January um with that it starts
to be advertised >> with stuff submitted in February. So then Alicia was able to get everything finalized in March and then have checks starting to go out in April for a new um
>> and that way we could start our next process of going to CPC and you know for the for the next goround but I think um during the during the course of the uh of the year occasionally people drop out
and we don't wait if we have somebody on the list, we just plug them in, which makes it really complicated. But >> right, I spend I understand that especially this year, there are a number of people who are likely to qualify for section 8 at some point during this
process and at that point they'll drop off of our program. We'll be able to let someone else on from the waiting list. So >> it'd be amazing. >> Yes. And I think also we as a committee tend to look at it in like November, you
know, funding limits, percentages, things like that, so that we're ready with the right information for the >> Yeah. And one other thing I'll call out from the minutes is that there was a question this time around as to how assets qualified or disqualified folks,
and you guys tabled that discussion for this round. So, at some point we have to sort of step back and >> figure out the answer to that. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> we might need some help on that. That that to me seems a little that's over my
pay grade for sure to understand that. >> Do we need town council help kind of thing or who who could we ask for help on that? I think I would first encourage us to see what other similar programs are doing because I hate to reinvent the
wheel and so at least find something that feels good to us and then if we still feel like we need to >> okay >> run it by town council or something >> and I feel like it because it's a program that we've created um we have
the authority in it to do what we want. >> I see. So >> if we want to count someone's retirement funds or don't or you know like we we can really explore this and um and kind of do what we feel is going to work best for our program.
>> Great. I also >> luxury cars that they own or >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'm also at some point, hopefully during the quiet coming days of summer, I hope to do some sort of audit of who
is applying for ARAP. sort of look at all the 30 families that applied, households that applied, and compare that to the data of poverty and air or whatever it might be to say, who aren't we reaching so that next time when we're
going to put our applications out, we can make sure we're targeting additional areas >> like also found that there were some um landlords that just didn't want to be bothered. Sure, that's fair, too.
>> Um, so we could reach the people, but >> yeah, >> it doesn't mean that they're going to be able to, you know, there has to be the landlord buy in. >> Maybe that's another opportunity, right? like how can we create a one-pager that makes this sound awesome to landlords so
that fewer are like >> I think what we were running into before was um you know a couple of places like second uh points of egress and so their apartments
yeah were not um we're not legal units >> necessarily. Yeah. >> Okay. That's tough cuz then we're penalizing people who are stuck in shitty situations, >> right? And then it was but as a town we can't really reward a landlord that is >> right. No, I totally get it.
>> Code, >> right? >> No. And I don't think we can take the liability either. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> So unfortunate. Well, >> do you know on the next two people on the list, uh, have the landlords
already? Um, >> I do not know. I'll have to go back. >> Okay. Um, any other questions on the rental assistance program? >> Um, and then the H fuel and housing um,
assistance fund. Um, I know we talked briefly about this. Do you know how much is left in that right now? I think it's five to six grand right now. >> Um, and Robert mentioned just today that he's hoping to approach IC credit union for their
donation which has been about two grand a year toward the program. So, >> and I was um does that all of that from what you found from like data that you've been does it all get used every year?
Do people >> has had busy years and then less busy years. I think people don't know it exists. >> Yeah. >> And so that's part of it. Um
I think it's also I've not yet been 100% clear on how often I should be offering it or suggesting that it's available as people sort of come through. I've been more quick to make sure people go see
St. Vincent Depal and you know connect with the other resources. I also came in in the spring so I'm not hitting up against winter heating bills and whatnot. Right. >> I think that a lot of the people that Alicia ended up um working with came
through either the coin officers >> or through us or through Loaves and Fishes. you know, some there was some >> some vetting there was some vetting process that was going on. It wasn't just, >> you know, people walking off the street
and asking for it cuz Yeah. Um, if it was more money in the fund, then advertising would make sense, but or at least maybe not advertising in a
huge Broadway, right? like it is on my affordable housing flyer. Like I think we should celebrate that the town does it. I think it's awesome. >> Um but from a making sure those who could benefit are aware of it. It might be more of a making sure Lo lives and fishes has a flyer so they can give it
to someone who feels >> like they would be the right fit for it or partner benefits or >> it's a it is a program that I personally would like to see us be able to grow >> and um I wouldn't I would like us to ask
for this the select board to commit some UDAG funds this year for it >> and then propose to the board that um they take a portion of free cash every year and put it into that. >> Um, and see if that's something they're
willing to do. >> I work with a lot of people who end up needing either fuel assistance or, you know, help with their electric bills or whatever. So, I I imagine that it's a very common thing. Um, and so if it's another area where we can help people
like be able to pay their rent because they were able to get assistance with their fuel or their electricity, >> right? Um, I think there's a lot more we could be doing with it >> and especially I mean if fuel prices continue the way they are.
>> Yes, we're all going to need the help. >> We're all going to need I mean our it cost us double almost to fill our oil tank the last time they came. So I can only imagine those who are already struggling the need is going to be so much greater.
So, I like the idea of being proactive to see if we can get some other ways to supplement that. >> Yeah, I love that. Um, both Boxboro and Actton have similar funds that I think certainly in Boxboro the town contributes to it. I think in Actton
it's all sort of private funding, but um but the limits on each of those is $1,000, which can, you know, is twice as much. Um, in any case, it can be a drop in the bucket when you're really struggling, but it's
it can help you through a tough month. Um, so maybe we consider if we able to get greater amount of funds, um, what the limit might be. I'd also love for us to think about >> drafting
the parameters of the fund a little bit more concretely. I think right now it's just it's the fuel and housing assistance fund and it goes through this committee, but it even to me feels nebulous. Um, and I'd love for it to be like you sort of know if you qualify by looking at this
>> right >> clear set of parameters, not like is Katie going to feel like she should send it on to the team, right? Like >> that's a good idea. Yeah, I think asking um if we could approach both things at the
same time, >> if we could ask the board for for funds, I don't know, somewhere 10 to 15,000 sounds like a reasonable amount to start >> um and then um come up with the proposal
for how we would like to fund it in the future. Um, and at the same time kind of rewrite those parameters and consider like should we raise it maybe not a thousand but maybe up to 750 or something like that,
>> right? And then I think we take the year and if having clearer parameters or a larger I think the having more funds will let us know whether people use it, right? Like right now it feels like it's being held in kind of a >> it's here but how is it really here kind
of way? Yeah. >> So, take a chance on it. And if it turns out that then people come out of the woodwork needing it, like that's great to know, too. Like, if we hit up against even that not being enough, like let that be the next problem we address, but let's let's know what the need is for it.
>> Yeah. >> I don't mind if if we're in agreement, I can ask to put it on the June 16th select board agenda >> for funds from the UDAG fund. And those funds are under select board purview. Um
so it doesn't require any other town meeting or anything like that. >> What would be helpful for me to pull together for that for you, Sean? Um I think maybe just some information about what the fund is. Um okay what what um
what the purpose is how much we're giving um just and historical data on who's accessing or how many people are accessing it. >> Sure. Does that sound like a good idea to people? >> Okay.
>> All right. Any other questions on that fund or >> All right. Then the next uh section would be um updates on Air Commons and Devon's Crest. So CPC money for both was
somehow moved forward last night, right? >> Yes. Yeah, we approved both. >> So that's great. Um >> I think >> it was $400,000 for each if I remember correctly. >> That sounds right for the CPC
contribution of it. Yep. Um so Air Commons still looking like breaking ground next spring. Um the couple things they're waiting on right now. Um the because they got $4
million in HUD money, an environmental review is required and so there's a few steps that need to happen. The town might need to play a role in that. So waiting for sort of an official ask from Noah as to what that looks like. And then
um the planning board is waiting for Noah to officially submit the modifications that they presented sort of internally last month. Um so they've done things like they illuminated the separate building for the community
center and it's now part of the bigger lodge. Um took out the dog park. Just a few sort of modifications as they've progressed in their planning. And so that needs to get more officially submitted to planning and then they need
to figure out does it require a new hearing or is it enough to just sort of present it as an update since it's sort of a smaller footprint and small changes. Um but it all seems to continue to progress. So that's exciting. Um seems like a great team behind that the few interactions I've had with them. So
that's that's really great. Um, and then Devon's Crest, we're trying to figure out based on what other towns have done how we're giving the money from the trust and the CPC so that it will work in the way that
it was intended based on the vote. So, we're going sort of loop-de-loop with the with the lawyers there. Um, but we're going to figure it out and um and that will be great. Last we heard they were done renovations on all except 36
units. Um and I think that was a few weeks ago. So hopefully that's continuing to progress. Um that's important because especially for the units that are then state voucher eligible. Um they require that the units be renovated before they're then able to
access that program. So continuing to move forward in all that is is important. Um, and yeah, I don't have much more of an update with either of those at the moment, but all good things. It's been exciting to learn about both of those projects. There's
such tremendous things that the town supported. So, kudos to you all. >> All right. So funny, these projects, they seem like they're so far away, but um, >> but then they happen and they're there. Very excited to see when the Noah
project is done. >> Yeah, that's going to be great. >> Yeah. >> And I'm excited that Devon's Crest has moved along as much as it has. >> Yep. They put up a good fight and they stuck to it.
>> Um All right. Then, um the next item would be uh deepening affordability. Um, you have down general position and then 63 Main Street. >> So, I'm going to get on my high horse for a minute. I've gone on a bit of a tirade the last week and a half since I
have been digging into sort of what affordable means versus >> um sort of I I'll step back. All right. So, so HUD came out with their new numbers for 2026.
air falls into the Cambridge, >> Boston, Cambridge, Quinzy metro area, >> which is nutty, I'm learning. >> Um, I mean, it's us and a bunch of communities, so it's certainly not just us, but it does feel a little absurd.
Um, so for example, so when we say we have an affordable unit, right, we're celebrating with our inclusionary housing bylaw that all these new construction projects are bringing on affordable units, but an affordable unit is restricted to 80% AMI.
>> Mhm. >> Pretty much across the board in air, market rate is below that. And so we're creating these affordable units that are no more affordable than the market rate units.
Um, and a really great illustration of that is Old Town Village. So right off the Rotary, they have three buildings now. Um, they just acquired Lazy Mary's and the house next to it. And they're going to turn they're going
to build a fourth apartment building with 32 units on that site. super exciting. Um, two, three of those units will have to be affordable, but we met with them for like a pre-application meeting last
week, and so I did some back of the envelope work again. And I'm going to pull it up for you all. Let's see. Did I pull it? I'm learning I have to pull everything that I want for a meeting onto my desktop because anything in my folders I can't access from home, which
is fun. Um, let's see. Share. All right. Did you all come to my word document? >> Oh, there we go. >> All right. Let me You can ignore all the verbiage that I put in to sort of make
it nice, but let me see. Can I zoom in with this bar? Here we go. All right. So, the 80% cap on a onebedroom at 80% AMI, which for one person is
$96,000, um is $2,400, but the Oldtown Village units, one-bedroom units right now don't exceed $2,100. >> Right. Wow. >> Right.
Um, and so here we are in a world where we're excited to celebrate all our affordable units, but they're no more affordable. And so I would love to see what we can do. One, from a zoning perspective, like I'm chatting with Danny already about how can we change it
so that the inclusionary housing bylaw makes it so you have to build 60% AMI units. So, we'll get there, but in the meantime, um, we have a bunch of units coming online. So, let me pull up my other
>> current project overview. Did you switch to a different word document with me? No, >> not yet. >> No, I think you have to close and then open. >> All right. So, this is Oh, it's my older version. It's my April version, but that's okay. It shows you
the different units we have or different projects we have coming up. So 63 Main Street. Um it's going to be 11 apartments um with mixed use. So some nice commercial something downstairs. Um and the affordable unit will be downstairs
too because there's no elevator in this particular building which is frustrating but that's what it is. Um >> hey Katie. >> Yeah. The latest I heard on this is that uh the applicant who got the approval
has put the entire project on the market. >> That's three to five Park Street. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I thought it was this one. >> Yeah. So, very similar. That one's 12 apartments. Um also, my >> apologies. Right around the corner. So, that one, yes, they put on the market so
that they can focus on their West Main Street property. >> Um so, that will also be one affordable unit. Um, the old fire station will have an affordable unit on it. 20 Grten Harvard Road, we just learned is not going to do a payment in L, so that will
also be an affordable unit. Lincoln Hills got its affordable units. Straten Hill. Um, and so it's so exciting that the inclusionary housing by is working, but will any of these actually be more affordable than the market rate? Right.
>> Um, then we've got Air Commons. So you can see the update to air comments while we're in here. But there used to be a little um community house over here and now that's incorporated into here. Um
and then yeah, so Oldtown Village. Um sorry, I've lost my train of thought. So, looping back around 63 Main Street because everything is so expensive in the world today is looking for any
support that they can get in creating a in creating their building. Um Danny and I met with them and they'd initially been talking about potentially doing veterans housing. That's gone a little bit by the wayside. Um, I did look into
it and they can do a veterans preference on the affordable unit where it then for the first 90 days that the um that the lottery is available or the posting is up um it can go be a preference to veterans. So that could still be an
option for them if they want. Um but they did they were interested in what it would look like for us to buy down the affordability of a unit. And as I understand it, it's not something that the trust has actually done yet for a
single oneoff unit. Other trusts certainly have. So there's things we can look at sort of across the state. >> We're doing that for Devon. Uh for sure. >> So for the group of Devon's Crest, yes. >> For something where it's like a single unit.
>> I'm not interested. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm not interested in that there. if it's not multiples. >> Yep. You know, we're not here to help the real estate developer, per se. That's not our job.
>> Just the truth. That's not We're We're not a developer assistance program. >> That's right. >> That's fair. All right. So, the work to be done then is in the in the zoning to see if we can get the AMI >> Yeah. >> brought down there.
All right, fair enough. Good to have clarity. So, while we're playing out sort of that reality um or that trying to gather a general position, is there like a threshold at which it should come back to this trust? like
what size of development would perhaps the trust be interested in thinking about contributing to the it would depend for me um on whether or not we could get some bylaw changes and
how many affordable units we could get that that would make a difference in how I would feel about the size like I wouldn't want to um fund something for five units when just one more would get us an extra. You know
what I'm saying? I I I don't know how we codify that, but it's that's just something I can't answer right now personally. All right. Good to have clear like Danny
likes to mention like oh the trust can potentially do all this stuff. So, I'd like to just be able to sort of rain them in and say, "Let's not tell the developers that there's possibilities of funds for buying down affordability." >> I want to clarify something. You know,
on the planning board, I spent a lot of time defending property rights, and that's fine. That's that's my duty as an elected official is to follow the laws and regulations that are imposed upon us, and I do that gladly. But I don't want the private sector to misconstrue
that respect as some kind of special privilege allotted to them. And they got to understand public money is for public goods. And if it's not an impressive enough public good, they're not getting the public money.
>> The Evans Crest was a very unique situation. >> Yeah. And we all sc a lot of people I was the least of it many many people put in countless hours of work to develop a very complex compromise and I'm I think they deserve all kinds of applause. I
think it was great but I don't think that that expectation should be floated to the private sector moving forward as standard practice for the town. Oh, no. We sure don't want people coming in and buying up properties and then kind of dangling them there and saying, "Hey,
you want to buy them back from me?" No. >> Or you want to help subsidize this? You want to do this? It's like, no, don't play that game. >> No. >> No. It's got to be it's it's got to be something that's that hits the spot for what we're interested in.
>> Yeah. I wish I could tell you exactly what that is, Katie, but without knowing what we can get done in terms of bylaws and stuff, I I can't. >> Yeah, I think that's definitely the first approach is if we can how we can get um work on the bylaws
>> because yes, even what technically is affordable by Cambridge standards is not affordable by air standards at all. Well, >> but I don't think there's really anything we can do about that, is there? >> Well, we can't take ourselves out of
that equation. All we could do is make the bylaws say that it has to be, you know, at 60% versus >> 80%. >> As you're saying, that's good. That's good. Thank you. >> There's no way there's no way we could petition to have air um air's AMI
calculation from uh to a more westerly area. There's no way that that >> right like literally any other >> group in the state. No, we're Middle Sex County and that's how it's done is by the county >> and we should be in Worcester County that then absolutely
>> you know >> well there's also the Lemonster Fitchburg HUD area which I feel like we could >> reasonably say that >> makes a lot of sense because yes I think a lot of our workforce I think comes from the lenders to pitch >> well I mean if somebody wants to
petition the state >> except it's the federal right it's coming from HUD it's not even the Oh yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, forget that. >> No, we can't do anything for another three years at least. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Um and then our next item, if there's no more questions on that, um about affordable housing forum on September 29th. >> Mark your calendars. It'll be, I think, from 6:00 to 8 with pizza beforehand.
Um, Janet will come hopefully to whatever we decide our next meeting is to figure out what role the trust would like to play there. Um, in the meantime, welcome any thoughts as we're sort of starting to
develop that agenda. Were you all able to join when the last one was? It was must have been what almost three years ago now. >> Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. >> Anything sort of still stands out from that as something we should try to
replicate or if there's >> any other burning things that we think the town should address. I know that there is hope to use it as an opportunity to sort of dispel some myths around what additional building can mean
for the town. Like um Carly likes to point to sort of the angry Facebook comments every time there's something about building, right? So addressing the myth around like this is why we have water restrictions. No, it's not. And like the town can stop development that
is permissible. No, it really can't. Whatever is allowable is right. Like so a little bit of myth. >> We don't want our town looking different than it does right this. >> Sorry, >> Katie. You have to understand something about the Facebook people. Even when two
years ago we we shop and save improved the parking lot. The parking lot was a mess. It had puddles. It the frontage looked like hell and then they redesigned it with landscaping, granite curbing, clear signage, everything beautiful. Fix it up. There
were people complained about that. Why' they have to change the parking lot? >> It's amazing. >> Oh yes. Um, okay. So, September 29th. >> Yes. And hopefully, Jonathan, do I have it right that you're helping to steward
the master planning process? Is >> that right in my head? Because I think it could be a great opportunity to start some initial visioning or at least getting people forward thinking as we're entering into that phase. Katie, you should be receiving a a three
questionnaire very soon from Danny, which is what do you very basic to start? Just to start is asking all the department heads and responsible people in town hall just what what would you like to see in the
new in this master plan that's different from the previous one? >> What would be most helpful to you in its design? and what other comments might you have? I mean really basic and that way with that information >> we have a sense of what uh consultant we
want to select this time we want to >> in other words we want to have a vision of what a general vision of what the master plan should be before >> a hire consultant because we want to take the lead have the consultant facilitate us rather than the other way
around. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, >> that's coming. >> Fabulous. >> All right. Um, any other questions or comments? Um, >> then if we want to pick our next
meeting, um, I know it's summertime, so schedules can be a little awkward or busy. Um, would the last Wednesday of July work that would be the 29th? >> Maybe.
I tell you in a second. I'm just I'm looking that Oh, come on. >> It should work. >> Okay. >> For me, any chance we could meet at 6 again? >> I already have you on the calendar for
the 29th. Okay. Yeah. >> 29th of July. All right. >> I already have it. Yep. I don't know why. Maybe I read your mind, Sean. >> Yeah. And if six o'clock works for everybody, that works for me. >> Perfect. And I'll try to get Janet to come to that one to flush out a bit more
about the uh forum. >> Okay, >> great. Sounds good. >> Um then that's the last item. I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> So move. >> Seconded. All those in favor? Oh, Jonathan, how do you vote?
>> I. >> Cindy, how do you vote? >> I. >> Alen, how do you vote? I >> Pat, how do you vote? >> I. >> The chair says I. All right, we're ajourned. Part: 2
Welcome. This is the community preservation committee meeting for June 3rd, 2026. And I'm going to read the little blurb. The accordance with chapter 2 of the acts of 2023 suspending certain
provisions of the open meeting law, public bodies otherwise governed by the OML are temporarily relieved from the requirement that meetings be held in public places open and physically accessible to the public so long as measures are taken to ensure public
access to the body's deliberations through adequate and alternative means. This meeting will be live on Zoom. The public may participate remotely by joining Zoom meeting ID number of 846 06008222
or by calling 9292056099. For additional information about remote participation, please contact Carli Antonellis, assistant town manager at atmair.mma. us or 978-7728220
extension 100 prior to the meeting during business hours. Okay. Um as I said um we I know Beth um had a conflict and I did not hear back
from Jerry, the interim parks director. Um so um right now we do have the quorum. So, I think everything's going good. All right. Um, I'm looking for anybody who wants to either make a
correction or comment uh or looking for a motion for approving the agenda. >> I'll make that motion. >> Approve the agenda. >> Make a motion. Approve these. >> Okay. Barry makes the motion. >> Second. I'll second it.
>> Okay. Well, I think that's Colleen who or Julie. That was Colleen. >> That was Colleen. >> Colleen can have it. >> We We'll do something else next. Don't worry. Um All right, let's just do um roll call. Barry,
>> hi. >> Jess, >> hi. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Colleen, >> I. >> And chair says I. Okay, so that's been approved. Now, the approval of the minutes of May 6. I only have one
correction that I saw. I know. Not bad, though. Um I mean, you do an awesome job. Um >> I know. >> All right. Um page three of Yeah. page
three on the committee updates underneath the historical commission. The second dark round circle bullet. You're missing a T for the the Canon's wheel and platform which is sinking.
That's all. >> Oh yeah, you know that. Yeah, that probably happened when I was formatting. >> Yeah, it it and don't worry, you're not the only one. So, but other than that, that's all that everything read very well. So, I do appreciate that. Can I
get a motion or can anybody else have any corrections or anything? Can I get a motion? to accept the minutes as amended. >> So moved. >> You got it. And
>> second >> just seconds. Okay. Roll call. Barry. >> Hi. >> Jess. >> Hi. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Colleen. >> I. >> And Janet says I. All right. Okay. And
the reason why I went ahead and um we're having this June meeting for these next three items is correspondence. I received a correspondence from the um coalition uh the community preservation
coalition and they have a new form that needs to be filled out for uh the housing trust fund. So, I will be working with Katie as well as Shawn. What they want to do is they want to find out exactly how those monies are
being spent. And I pretty much said it's in the warrant articles. It's, you know, just it tells you what it is. Well, they're not going to go ahead and read all the warrant articles. So, Colleen, just to let you know, um like say when
it's the $212,000 that we got, you know, that the trust got this time around, um it's going to be broken down so much for uh 14 recipients. They want it be put in as units that are going to be, you know, um
assisted. and the other funds stay within the trust for other um possibilities. When it was broken down that you when you know the trust needed money for the um appra um the accounting
and um and that um that also have to be broken down. So I'll work with them to u get it all set for the past I think it's four years that the trust has been in operation. But that's a new form that
has to get filled out with regards to uh the housing trust fund. So that was any question. >> And who are you working on that with? >> Katie Nelville. The new um community
development. And also >> you're going to do it retrospectively. >> Pardon? >> You're going to do it to cover the past few years as well. >> Yeah. They want it all broken down. And then Sean Copelan, who is the chair.
That's right, Colleen. Right. Sean Sean's the >> Yes, Sean is the chair. >> Yeah, that's what I thought. All right. Um the other item is um
the 71 Sandy Pond School. I know Jess, you went in my place for the um meeting and from what I understand there is going to be another public information session. >> Yeah. And just to correct you, that wasn't the school. That's just 71 Sandy.
>> Oh, did I? Yeah. I'm sorry. All right. It's okay. Never mind. Yes. 71 Sandy Pond Road. Um I had a concern um with regards to uh the Again,
we generated and we looked at um the possibility of a grant agreement. The grant agreement was turned down by the town of count by the town council. Um one concern again Beth has spoken a little bit with me um about some of the
concerns and she mentioned that uh we did have a conservation restriction in that grant agreement. Well, the conservation restriction is still going to be upheld. Um, Heather Hansen, the conservation agent, has pushed for it
and it's going to be held by the North Worcester County Land Trust. >> Okay. >> North County Land Trust. Just Just North County Land Trust. >> Is it a Oh, okay. I I wrote down what
Robert said, but okay. No problem. >> He was wrong. >> Never mind. We're not going with it. >> Um, >> you'll find out later on. Go ahead. >> I'm confused. So, when you say the grant agreement, this is the one that we were working on. >> We were working on something for 71
Sandy Pond Road. >> Okay. And town council >> said no because the town owns it. And because the town owns it, >> oh, >> it's going to be the town monitoring the town. >> So, there doesn't need to be a grant
agreement because the town owns it. Okay. Correct. So there won't be a grant agreement. However, there will be a conservation restriction. But Janet, don't we also need to ensure
and I I guess maybe this will happen in other ways because we used they use CPC funds to purchase the property that they need to you make sure some of it is
open space and wreck and meets the CPC. >> Yeah. >> Use requirements for that property. So, if not a grant agreement, will they how will we ensure that?
>> I'll say it this way. If they don't use it for parks um and wreck, you know, for open space and wreck, um we can take the money back and Robert and town council knows that. So, um it doesn't
>> it I mean >> that makes sense. >> Yeah. even with a grant agreement, you know, um it's it's a it's a semi-binding document. It's not like, you know, we can sue and we just take the money back.
Um, so but I will I think even Jess at at the meeting I think we emphasize it enough of times saying you know half of the money is CPA you know fund and this is the mandatory 44b that has got to you
know >> so >> and no I would not have voted to use CPC money if it was only going to be a parking lot >> correct >> outside of it would be illegal use of the money, but >> right >> um I wouldn't have voted for the whole
purchase at all under that case. Um, at the select board meeting, I don't know if we threw a wrench in the work, but John Schmullenberger, Marilyn Marilyn Schmullenberger and I all spoke as residents primarily, although John's also on the working group. And uh, we
just raised raised some concerns with the plan that was submitted and uh, and I, you know, and I think the thing I'm happy about is they're going to go back to public process and get feedback. Um, I strongly encourage them not to use
staff resources to start developing the project further until they have had public input. Why waste staff time until you know it's you know what you want? So,
>> and so I think Robert was saying I'm trying to to see if there is a possible He's going to check to see if something No, I don't I don't have anything. Um,
yeah, to have it happen hopefully before the end of June because of the new fiscal year, July 1st. So, all right. So, we'll hopefully hear from that. All right. Any other questions with regards to 71 Sandy Pond Road?
>> They um have they disbanded the working group or did Pauline Connley was asking at the select board meeting and there wasn't a good answer to her and had the working group ever formally voted on the plan that was submitted to the select
board? John didn't remember voting on it. >> Neither do I. >> So there's concern things were being pushed through without adequate feedback from residents.
>> Okay. Well, at least pushing back. Um, we are going to have, you know, another public information, >> so that's good. All right. any and um yeah, I don't remember um whether there was a formal vote.
Um I can look back at some of the minutes as they've done down there. >> All right. Um moving um anything else? >> No. >> I'm just moving along. Um Barry, I know that you had a historic commission's
meeting. Did you speak about Sandy Pond School? at all. >> Uh, not yesterday. No. >> Okay. I do have an update that Okay. The >> that the um preservation restriction is
going to be held by MHC, is that Massachusetts Historical? >> Yes. We should get a copy of that though, just for our own record. >> Oh. Oh. Oh, for sure. I mean, that's one thing that I definitely told Robert and he said he was going to get in touch with George. So,
>> I I will follow up with that >> because the last time we spoke with Irv, we strongly suggested that we be kept in the loop. So, I'm sure he'll get I'm sure that um they'll get in touch with George.
>> Okay. So those are the um again uh the um communications that and correspondence and communications and meetings that I've had in between here and there. Anybody else have any type of
communications or invoices? And I don't want to know Barry your invoice for getting on the beach like that. All right, I'm going to move on to um the update on grant agreements. I told you that um I really thought that we
well I'll say this with we finally Robert and I sat down after um town council looked at Noah's um the uh air commons, the property that's going to be over on Fitsburg Road. they finally went
ahead and um got this all squared away with um town council and I sent them I I did send them to you um earlier today because the board looked
at them yesterday, last night, and they gave their blessings to both of these two um agreements and uh they smiled when they knew that this one here was done in 2022.
Um, and it's like we've been working on it and trying to get it uh side sale and delivered. So, this works out, you know, well, um, and if I could, again, um, if anybody's got any concerns
with regards to the grant agreement for Noah, again, it emphasizes the amount of units and how they all have got to be within, you know, the affordable uh, bucket and any type of communications
uh, about the project, they they need to mention that CPA funds have been used on the project. Um it's also other leg legalities of you know um we can't be held liable they you know if they don't meet the requirements take we can take
the money back if they need an extension all they do is ask for it and get the extension that type of um issues. Um, so can I get uh if anybody doesn't have any questions, can I get a motion to accept the Noah
grant agreement? Um, so we can get it signed, sealed, and delivered to Noah. >> So moved. >> I Barry makes the motion. Going to get a second. >> Who is that? Is that Colleen?
>> Who seconded it? I second it. >> Okay. All right. Um, roll call. Barry. >> Hi. >> Yes. >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Colleen. Just raise your hand.
>> I think we lost her. She's frozen. >> She's frozen. >> She's frozen. >> That's why she's not moving. That's what happens when you're traveling. All right. Um >> I can oppose. >> Yeah. Um what? So um and chair says I so
that's that's passed. All right. The next one I really thought that we were going to be working on Sandy Pond School Association. And uh again that's what I thought with Robert and then all of a sudden he throws Devon's crest at us. Um yeah, she'll be coming back in. She
ought to drop. Um, and with that, Beth had some concerns with regards to it being on the docket last night for uh the select board and to make sure that we emphasized the uh 80% down to the 60%
um between two and three units. >> I welcome back, Colleen. >> Sorry, I voted in favor of the warrant. >> Thank you. Thank you. Jess can put that down. Um so inside this uh grant
agreement does state that um it's going to uh be 80% AMI to 60% AMI. Um that's called um we have the verbiage of being the project. And then she also, you
know, wanted to make sure that we, you know, emphasize the perpetuity and and such. And um under the restrictions and everything, there is a deed restriction that is made on these units that are in perpetuity. Now, on top of it, because
of it being Devons, uh Katie, Ray, Robert, and town council have been working with David David Abramovitz. Um, and sorry David if I butchered your name, the lawyer for
Shocket Company and DCTA and making sure that all the eyes are dotted and the te's are crossed so that as the units become um re refurbished, you
know, the 35 units and that you get Hold on, I got a cat that wants to move across the um uh as as they become um vouchered. Okay. Cuz the state won't
give them a voucher until um Hold on a second. Hang on. Move. Hold on a second. Did you hear him? Sorry. Um uh so like I say, the once they get
rehabbed, the state will give them the voucher. Once they get the voucher, it has to be blessed by the town and the housing authority. So then monies can be released. So as that all happens, again,
they're trying to develop the paperwork to make sure everything all the ducks lined up in a row. They're not just going to get the money straight off the bat. And um with that, but again the money is there um to um for you know for
this project >> when is it going to start work on it. >> Well they they already have I mean they're still working on those units. I we have not again I haven't been in the loop um with regards to if there have
been any vouchers that have been um >> No, I meant I meant uh shovel in the groundwork. Oh, no, no, this is this this is Devon's Crest. >> Oh, right. Yeah, I'm getting I'm back. >> Don't worry, you know, because again,
Robert confused me with, you know, >> throwing these other ones in instead. Um, >> so this is Devon's Crescent, so it will be, you know, like I say, those 35 units that have got to be refurbished. And I think they're
>> I didn't ask Mike Wallace to see how many um permits, you know, again, have been pulled, but pretty much there's they're keeping track of it. So, >> okay. >> Um so I I hope I replied back to Beth
after the select board meeting last night. So I hope that you know helps her out, you know, with some of her concerns. But definitely town the town is monitoring everything that's
going on there. All right. So with that, >> did this one go through the select board then? Did they >> this one? This one went through the select board and and they approved it because I did tell them that these are the other items that we're going to be
monitoring and they understood. So all right, any other questions? Do people have? >> No, I don't hear anything. So, can I get a vote to a motion to approve this one so we can get that signed and send that
over to David Abramovitz to um to keep things moving. >> So moved. >> All right, sounds great. And >> uh a second. Okay, just seconds. Might
Barry, uh, let's do a roll call. Barry, >> hi, >> Jess. >> Hi, >> Julie. >> Yes, >> Colleen. >> I, >> and the chair says I I really do appreciate that. And like I say, sorry
for throwing that at you. Um those were we're double checking on uh uh the Sandy Pond School Association's uh grant agreement for the HVAC unit
that is on Robert's docket right now. And uh I'll give you guys the update on that um whenever uh he gets it to gives it to town council and gets it back. All right. Next on the agenda, we have uh
what um I know we talked a little bit about the housing forum discussion on September 29th between 6 and 8 at the great hall down at um town hall. And this is um being sponsored by the air
affordable housing committee. Uh there's a couple more uh topics. I know that Jess, you you wrote them down in last month's um you know, meeting minutes, but we're going to have uh Danny Ruez
to also discuss the zoning b bylaw changes and some of the success that includes the inclusionary housing. um some of the changes that they made to open space and residential development um and with um multif family within um
the grid. Yeah. >> Forbased code thing. >> Pardon? >> You mean like the formbbased code? >> Well, not formbased code. There's a grid for um you know if you've got A1 you
have to have >> table of use. >> Table of Thank you. See I knew someone from planning would know. >> Yes. The table of use. So he's going to go ahead and discuss all that and we're going to show um like I say uh some of
the success stories of bringing some affordable units within the town. The other is the DPW director. Um the status of the water supply. Again, we talked about that last month. Uh the building inspector, Mike Wallace, is
going to talk about the ADU um information because um there's a um misconception that it has to be a family member who lives in the accessory dwelling unit. No, it can be um um somebody who is renting. Doesn't have to
be a family unit. I'm going to hopefully Jess um I'm hopefully going to get Heather to talk about um the conservation efforts with a possible new bylaw about trees and things. I don't know how how far she's gotten on that,
but um I'm >> just changes to our regulations, not our bylaw. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. And um we're trying to get someone to come in and speak and I think it may be a good time for um Phil
Gy to come again from Noah uh just to bring an update of what's going to happen with air common. Uh to answer your question, Jess, they're hoping to go ahead and put a shovel in the ground in 2027. >> Okay. >> All right. they are working on that last
U funding request from the state and they are in the fall um bucket. So, and I'm just looking at other committees right now as being my hat for the affordable housing committee of what
other topics might be good um to um to to possibly cover. I know we only have the two hours and then the other thing of one of the activities is I think it would be good to have trivia questions
about air. Um, so I will be tapping into people who have been here. Um, talking a little bit with Ernie, just to get some, uh, Ernie Gwen, our so-called mayor of air, uh, to see if there's some real good nice trivia questions to make
people know that it's not just the former Graten Junction. >> The ski jump would be a good one. >> Yeah, that's true. All right. Okay. So, if you guys can put your
thinking caps on, that would be great um to come up with um some uh questions for trivia. And if you can think of anything else that might be vital to uh and how we're moving forward for affordable housing or really a variety of housing,
then that would be um beneficial. Okay. So, that's that's that part. And then the next is public comment. Um I don't see anybody from the public. Um >> good thing
>> I know that I just go ahead and say as you're watching this on YouTube if you have any questions please give a call over to Carly Anthony Ellelis and she will go ahead and reach out to one of the CPC
members possibly myself. She's at 772-8220 extension 100 and she'll be able to get um like I say in touch with with your questions. All right. Committee reports the I'm just going to go with the housing
authority. The housing authority has started working on the back lot. the senior center was closed um while they rip up the asphalt and put in uh new new parking as well as new um sidewalks.
They did take down two trees. Um that's because they want to make a handicap accessible um ramp that goes down um from the upper parking lot to the lower parking lot. And there was a tree that happened to be in the way there. And
then they wanted to add a little more of um ADA um handicap parking spots. So there was another tree on the side of the building that um had to come down so that they could move uh the parking lot over a little bit more. So that's
housing authority Barry. Um, >> uh, we had our meeting yesterday and we met with, uh, a librarian that works for Luke Kirkland for the air library. Uh,
Dan Reinhardt Joseph, what's his name? And this all started with uh, Chris Padaki had gone over there to see what we could do to work together between the historical commission and the library with all their artifacts. So, the first
thing we did, we we voted to uh write a letter of of support to the library. Um, and we committed the funds that we have left for the rest of the year, the 750 because that's all we get every year is 750. And they're going to use that to
construct some new uh display um cabinets. And at the same time, they're going to start uh changing out some of the displays that are in the cabinets as well. And they're looking for our help to also write up um you know what the
items are and that you know maybe help them out with u what we think would be a good choice to put in the in the cabinet. So >> excellent. >> Know that you can you can also ask for CPA funds to help. I was just going to
mention that that we suggested that they get a hold of the cultural council and um you know apply to the CPA for for funds as well. So >> good. That's good to hear. All right. Thank you. Um
>> Jess conservation >> and uh uh conservation we're just uh reviewing various applications including one down near right near Grove Pond
um where the there's a failed culvert. It's all overgrown. There used to be a a little rough road along the shore that went to an area the town used to use for tree stumps. and that culvert is failing. So now the
DPW wants to remove the culvert and all the fill that was put in so vehicles could cross over it and restore it to a natural stream condition. >> So that's going to be they we did the sitewalk. They have to file a notice of
intent next and that it's nice to see something go back to the way it was supposed to be. >> Where is that? That's >> that's not the one that's in there. Marshall, is it around there? >> Uh, good. We It's on off Bllye Street. So, we went down Bllye Street and then
you go straight to the shore and then to the right through a bunch of brush and it's in there. Not something you would normally see. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Um, and uh we have a
we have a vacancy on the commission. Mark Phil Phillips has moved to New Hampshire. So, we put out an ad the other day that, you know, anybody interested, um, get us something by next Monday, a letter of interest, and we'll interview potential
people at our Thursday meeting and make a selection. >> Nice. Have you heard anything? >> Yeah, we have one one uh expressed interest that looks quite promising. >> Nice. Um, we've never ever had
competition. It's like usually people don't beat down the doors to get on committees these days. >> We know that. >> I guess. >> Well, thank you very much for being on it. Oh, also uh yesterday was the first day that water and wetlands did their
pre-treatment survey of vegetation on Flanigan, Sandy Pond, and Pine Meadow ponds and an initial sonar treatment on uh Sandy Pond and Flanigan for invasive fan wart. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Invasive fan work.
>> The annual thing that we do. >> All right. Well, have fun. Uh, Julie, >> I kind of want to ask the same questions we ask at every town meeting about that process, but I'll let it go. Um, >> you can ask >> because we haven't asked the No, we ask
the same questions every year. Um, so the planning board is having public hearings for a few things right now. We've got Air Family Pharmacy before us for their additional parking lot because they're so popular. and the senior
center, the new senior center. And we're also looking at 20 Groten Harvard Road for site plan review as well. Um, and we did a sitewalk of that property this week. >> What's happening on Where's 20 Grouten
Harvard Road? >> Uh, right on the corner across from the gym. >> Okay. >> Like right at the stop sign. >> Okay. just the garage a multif family. >> Say that again, Barry.
>> I thought it was when you said across from the gym. I I was thinking the garage that's around the corner, but obviously >> No, the the house on the other >> Okay, gotcha. >> So, the house is going to get torn down and
>> Yes. And it'll be a multif family unit or they're proposing a multif family unit there. >> Okay. All right, Colleen, anything from the trust? >> We just met earlier tonight. Um, we got
just some updates on Air Commons and Devon's Crest that the select board had had talked about them. Um we did start we talked about the current batch of rental assistance with the
you know additional money that we got from town meeting that we're going to be bringing two more families or two more you know participants off the wait list for the rental assistance program. We started talking about in general
affordability in the town of air and you know the affordable units being at 80% AMI and what that is you know rentwise is above market value.
So are units that are affordable really affordable? So that I think is going to be something that we're going to start to brainstorm about ways to address and probably a topic that might be good to
talk about at the you know housing forum in September as well. >> Um so I think that was you know basically the highlights of the meeting >> because because of us being part of the Boston Cambridge >> Right.
>> Okay. >> Right. So, um, we looked at, you know, a one-bedroom unit. The 80% AMI I think is 96,000 and so that qualifies for rent of 2400, but
that's above market value. Now, that was just one example, but um you know, I think overall being part of Boston and Cambridge that 80% of AMI is not as affordable as we think it could be. So, just something
we're going to be thinking about. Um >> Excellent. >> Yeah. And that was that's about it. >> All right. Jess, did you have a question? >> No, I think Colleen just answered it. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Um, it went through everybody
and so that's committee reports. Anything else? I get a motion to adjourn. >> So moved. >> Excellent. So it's Barry and Colleen. All right.
>> We are now adjourned. I really do appreciate you guys coming here. I could not put all this in an email. So we'll keep our fingers crossed about July this way. Here we got this all done. So, I appreciate it. Thank you. >> Okay.
All right. Meeting adjourned. >> Thanks, guys. >> All right. Take care, everyone.