Evening everyone. This is the Air Conservation Commission meeting. It is September the 25th, 2025. Commissioners in attendance of Jeremiah. As temporary clerk, we have George Beacon as member, Mark. Phillips as vice
chair, Heather Hamson as our conservation agent, and myself, John Schmullenberger as chair. And I saw Jess two days ago, took her to a doctor's appointment, and she's doing very well. >> Okay. She's getting about with one crutch and not too much pain. So, she's
drug free. >> Awesome. >> But she'll be back. She's hoping the next meeting. >> Do we have approval of the agenda? >> Yes. I have no changes. >> Motion to approve the agenda as written. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> Oppose. Nay. Passes unanimously. Approval of the meeting minutes for September 11th, 2025. Any changes?
>> They were nicely written, by the way. >> And very prompt. >> And what? >> And very prompt. >> Don't let people know that they can be done that fast. >> Any comments, changes? >> Any good. >> Okay. Motion to approve the meeting
minutes for September 11th, 2025 as written. >> So move. Second. All >> in favor say I. >> I. >> Nay. Passes unanimously. >> First item this evening is the continued public hearing notice of intent
D file number 100-0500 >> 500 >> creative materials 12 below road. And they have asked for a continuence. >> Correct. They have asked for the continuence to the next meeting on uh October 9th. >> Okay. We are not. It may end up being
continued again depending on when they can get revised plans to us. So, we don't know. So, we'll wait and see when they come in. Hopefully, next week. Okay. All right. Motion to continue the public hearing notice of intent D file number 100-0500
until October 10th, 2025. >> What? >> 9th. I Yeah, I even got it written down here as October 9th and I said to the 5th 9th, >> can you take over for me, please?
>> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I oppose. Nay. >> All right. Passes unanimously. >> Next item this evening is a discussion and vote on proposed open space at the Lincoln development.
>> All right. So, the planning board has gracious has asked us if we would be interested in holding the open space for the Lincoln Hills um development, open space development over on High Street.
Um I did was able to speak to the applicant Janet Field to see what their thoughts were about if it was just CR, if it's the actual open space, what it they don't they don't have preference. So, it's entirely up to the commission
what you would like to do with anything. Um, we can either be the holders of the land, we can be the holders of the CR, we can be nothing, we can be one with conditions. It's entirely up to you. Um, yeah. And then we define then they
define another entity to take the open space. I mean, take the CR, but they don't have a preference. It just states in the it yeah it's it just well it's conservation restrictions only a certain entity can hold the conservation restriction whereas conservation
commission or a nonprofit that qualifies under the state law. Um anybody can own the open space. It's just only a certain entity can hold the CR. So, if we were to take the open space and not the CF, they're not fighting someone to do that.
Um, it's entirely up to you what you prefer to do, what conditions you, if any, you want to put on it. And just for reference, so you can notice it. See if I can get it. does have the um thankfully on this one.
This is the whole town. Oh no. [Music] [Applause] There we go. broken. There we go. And then again, it just takes forever
because I don't know. >> And then >> Mhm. One minute. >> Just um >> There we go. That's a >> What other land do we own? I forget. >> How much how much do we own like all together? >> Like the other like you said, we can own
the land. We can we can own nothing. >> Mhm. >> Do we owe other >> We don't. So all the other open space all the O all the other OSRDs that have gone through um that have actually been approved the homeowners association or a
condos association home association owns the land and then we hold the CR. Okay. >> So this one will be a condo association not a homeowners association. So they're a little bit different and then we could we could be the holders of the CR. Um so it's everything in yellow.
>> So we don't hold any other land. We hold CRS. Correct. Except for Pine Meadow. We own that, >> right? >> Um, so it's all everything in yellow. And then this green piece here with that goes down here. That's all for storm.
That's where the storm water systems going. The d the uh utility easement. And then the other system that's subsurface in the bottom. So slow. So it's it's subsurface here, utility easement and then the um infiltration
basin up here. Um the conservation the open space for curly circle has something similar where the entire entirety of this the infiltration basin um is in the open space as well. >> Are they doing the park down at the
bottom? >> I don't think that's been decided yet. I don't think so. So, it's just a matter of having a discussion and talking about whether what you guys would like to do is the the skinny little bits around the
perimeter. >> Is that just Why is that? >> I'm I'm assuming they did that most more than likely not to to get to their 50% open space. >> Didn't we
discuss. >> We we asked >> that we would not prefer not to have this. >> Correct. >> But we also asked to have sort of a corridor. >> Yeah, we did ask this. If you recall, this is where that giant ledge rock was.
And we did ask if that could be in the open space. >> They actually did end up putting that entirely in the open space. This only part that's not is this here where the park a new parking lot's going to be. So, >> what's going to be there? >> A parking lot for the um VA for the
assisted living. >> So, these areas here >> Yes. >> are supposed to be left alone. >> Correct. >> And are people going to like that cuz it looks like crap.
>> It's nature. Most people don't think >> doesn't look like >> No, I mean if it's in somebody's backyard >> I know it's just like shaker. >> They're going to Yeah, >> just like Shaker Mill. >> I mean that has that has that skinny area too. I think there's there's there might even be when Panther Place gets
done. I think there's actually a couple up there. Um >> but up there it's bordering the town land. >> Yeah, up here it's the town land. It's just you're just tell these lots here. And then and I don't know what this lot
is here. So it's essentially really these two lots here and then there's this but I don't I'd have to verify who owns this. >> That's a street paper street. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it's essentially really only
those two. Um, and I do know um, one of the owners for that has come and had concerned and and expressed some concern with the development and and and the this the narrow strip there, but I don't think they'd be they wouldn't be
any problem as far as overreaching. >> So, better than no strip for them. >> Mhm. I mean you have I mean it >> on a conventional subdivision you will see where they do a vegetated like 50ft strip between property lines. It's
essentially what it's not quite 50 ft but it's just they do do that between development so they get to give neighbors buffers. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind having a buffer but I mean if it's how how wide of a >> I don't I don't know. I think it's I think it's I think it's
>> I think it has to be at least 30 feet but I have no idea. >> Is that scale real? >> Yeah. You can just scroll down a little bit so we can see the scale. I can spec it. >> Can you see the scale? >> What does it say? 20. >> It's about 20 ft. It looks like
>> Can I help you? >> No. >> Okay. >> You mean we just we just have to have a blind eye to what happens in that >> Yeah. And it'll be it'll it'll obviously when they do the baseline report um all
that will be all the bounds and and property lines will get pictured and those will get monitored probably more closely than some of the other areas just because of the the higher possibility of encroachment. >> Okay. I was just wondering >> and and the snow storage has been moved because that was one of the concerns I
had is you know pushing snow and that would then go over there. the snow storage has been moved over into the into this area which because it's already in the it's not part of the open space but it will be in the CR um similar to that of the curly circle
there is a a a portion of that CR that lists the drainage in there so it would something similar to that would be added to the CR >> and there'll be limited chemicals and salt and whatnot >> correct yes >> yeah we We still have to come up with uh
the department are still looking to figure out what our draft conditions would be for it. That that one's already been discussed to have on there um to have no fertilizers um low salt, no salt um um for sanding. We'd figure out whatever
alternatives we need to do to make sure we're not poisoning any vegetation. And then I have my own that I want to look at for tree clearing. So, and timing >> thoughts, George. >> I don't think we should own it.
>> I mean, this >> should not own the CR >> own the property. >> Own the property. >> Property. Okay. >> Yeah. I I didn't know. I didn't think we'd want to, but I just wanted to make sure I'd ask the question to see if what if for some reason that question came up.
>> Anyone think it's a good idea to own the CR or on the land? Um, in regards to the CR, um, Janet Field did speak with Anna Wilkins from North County Land Trust, which we do have a contract for for helping us with our CRS, and her suggestion would be the
town hold the CR and they would do the monitoring for us. >> Sorry, that was the suggestion of North County. >> That kind of the model we're moving towards. >> It's the model we're moving towards anyway. Yep. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Let's not have something unique and
weird. Let's try to package them all. >> Yeah. Yeah. Would we keep that if we if if the contract and everything works out this year and we keep that moving forward, then yeah, they would they would monitor the CRS for us. >> Anything else?
Mark, you got any thoughts? >> No, sounds good to me. >> Jen, >> I I think staying consistent makes the most sense. >> What do you think, Heather? Um my only thought uh I mean I have no I mean I think that the property should the CR
should be held by or one portion of it should be held by a town entity of some sort whether it's the land of the CR it is town it'll be in town of air I feel like one entity one entity of the town should be involved in the property so holding the CR probably makes the most
sense on that aspect of it um in regards to any sort of conditions on it that's where I think we need to look at that um for monitoring and or um what we'd like to see possibly as far as if we want to
see any trail system put in there um make sure there's a deed public access for it um in order for us to actually take it cuz to hold a CR in that area that then doesn't allow public access with the amount of development going on
on either side I think would be a monitoring nightmare on that aspect anytime someone walked through that they're not supposed to whether it's signed or not. Um so I think if the if the commission is up for taking holding
the CR I think it would should be conditioned that um one that there is a funding source which again Curly Circle did have in theirs uh up to $2,000 a year for the monitoring and upkeep of the CR which we could have request ask the planning board to put similar make
sure similar language is in the CR when they draft it and two I think it should have public access and you know, the possibility for trail system in it, but that's up to the commission. >> Public access from
down below. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Down below up to the top. Uh, and it it creates a possibility of maybe eventually at some point getting some another other CRS or open space further down the road to I don't know eventually connect to the high school at some
point. Maybe the grand scheme of things. >> Mhm. because there is a lot of backlot land through there that goes all the way up. But again, that's I think to not have that as a condition of it and then have
it not written in the CR that we don't have the open spaces allowed in there closes that lot that whole open space up to a lot of um lost opportunity in the future.
Anything else? Anybody else? >> Just a reminder because we go through the same thing in the book. Come up here. >> You're not used to having people in the room. You have to speak a lot louder. >> I'm a new noteaker, so if you could
please state your name. >> Ken Diskin, 180 Washington Street. Air mask. >> Ken, >> excuse me. >> Thank you, Ken. >> Thank you. So, that was all I was going to say. It's hard to hear because you guys, I think, are used to talking around the table, but it's hard, you know, to hear because the acoustics in
the room just aren't set up. >> You know what it's like for people when you're at the table. >> Excuse me. >> So, now you know what it's like for >> I know. And I have to scream. They're telling me to scream >> cuz I have a hard time hearing you a lot. >> Um, just for clarification, I Heather, thank
you for the the work the presentation. One of the things that came up, this is a planning board angle. If you look at that um place where the retention basin is and then that long piece that comes down to the Harvard road, >> what came up before the planning board
was our intent to have them meet the 50% open space not including the areas of the drainage systems. >> So that ended up creating pos part of this unusual shape that you see. So in the real world, your
conservation restriction will include all of that. That's not excluded from the CR and from the open space in essence, right? >> Was a mathematical thing. >> Yeah. No, I understand. Everyone gets >> that. So now I really get that cuz
>> Yeah, it's a green color. I was >> continuing to block that out. >> All of this is in the open space about about that being in there. So >> all of that is in the open space. They said the only that's got the small slivers is this yellow here and here >> which again this is town property.
>> So the 50% is via the yellow >> correct >> with the additional >> green >> drainage. Yeah. >> What do we get to? >> Well, it doesn't count. So you'd have you'd have to% yourself. Well, the CI will have the whole the what happened is when we wrote the open space residential
open space residential rules and regulations and we sat with um Jessica Gino and whatnot, the conservation commission had this discussion way back that said we don't think you should be able to count those uh those drainage areas within the open space calculation.
>> Yep. So that's what happened and as they actually by them buying a piece of land from um the VA they were able to increase the amount of of open space and then deduct >> for the calculation but at the end >> it said it's about 20% more.
>> It's a good 15 to 20% more. Yeah. So it might be closer to 60% of the property would end up >> in the CR >> versus the 50 calculated. It calculates just over 50% not by deducting those areas those slivers those it came up at
the meeting and and Rachel's right here so she can double check me but there was apprehension by the neighborhood about the thin pieces of land you know that are surrounding the green and part of that was generated because they tried to
move the the trenching a little further from a neighbor's house still not that far but it's still a little further So that's why it becomes a little difficult to understand that drainage area because it looks like an unusual shape. >> Sure. >> But when they do the meets and bounds of
your conservation restriction, it's going to wrap right around those >> relatively straight lines around the perimeter. It won't wind all around those unusual shapes and whatnot. So it if if Can you put the GIS up at all? Would that is it possible or you can't?
>> Oh yeah, the the the accessory. It actually is easier might be easier to see this when we put up the actual image from the town's GIS. That'll show you the where it's wooded and whatnot. >> Um >> I mean they the commission's been on site. They know what >> Okay. So forget I just
>> we we did the conservation analysis. We went on site. >> Okay. So it's just easier for me to see it with the with the other angle because you see all the shapes of lots and that they blended together. But >> that's really all I had. Um but one question so to Heather on the board. So,
how do we own other property in town that's owned by another entity, but you guys have the CR? >> Well, like I said, all the other open space ones that we have are owned by the homeowners association, right? And the commission has a CR. >> Okay. So, you got you have the CR for
the other >> Yeah. For Shaker Mill Pond and Curly Circle, those are the only other two that are complete. >> Um I don't what will happen when we get to Panther Place and um we're still working out. I think Pants of Place is Isn't that done? The CR is done, right? >> Oh gosh. No. No. I can't be done until
all the houses are built because I can't do >> All right. >> The CR hasn't been completed, but I can't do I can't record the CR until I have the baseline. And the baseline can't be done till all the house lots are put in. >> So, the long and the short of it is that when it goes through the planning board and comes back to you guys, the CR
doesn't really get completed till the final house is basically up and the whole thing is done. Is that kind of where it goes? the the conservation restriction, they can start doing the language for the restriction, >> right? >> Because this restriction is just the the language. Yeah. >> The baseline is the photos and the and
the GIS pictures and all that that has to wait until the lots are put in >> because we need to know what the limit of clearing and the the all that that and then they get recorded at the same time. >> Otherwise, we end up a situation like Curly Circle where everything sold and
bought and done and the baseline was never done. Okay, cool. And was the last comment you made regarding that you think there might be a potential for u public access? >> Yeah. Be because when we put a
conservation this conservation restriction sits forever, >> right? >> You can never that's it. To limit a piece of property to not allow public access, not knowing what's going to happen in the town of AR 50 years from now, would be a disservice to this
property in the town. >> That's your opinion. >> That's my opinion. >> Okay. Thank you. So, I guess that's up for discussion in the future then by you guys, but I think it might end up as a discussion. >> Yeah. You can't change a CR easy. So to
not allow it and then eventually 50 years say, "Oh, it would be nice if we had it's it's not you can't really change a CR." So as soon as you take that language and not put it in there, that's it. >> So you're you're basically saying there's possibility in the future that it would be important to have trails in
there. They don't have to do it now, they might do it later, something like that. >> I think it's important just to have the language in there that it's public access is allowed on site with the possibility of trails and then leave it at that. whether what gets done with it is what gets done with it. But as a CR
being something that is basically in perpetuity to not allow it or not have that language in there is a disservice to the town and that piece of property because you're limiting access limiting the the chance of potential of maybe future open space purchases or future
CRS on in connection to it that would never happen. >> Okay. Thanks. Rachel, do you have any comments? >> Sure. I don't need to comment. >> I'm so sorry. Um, Rachel Coera, 30
Graten Harvard Road. I was trying to >> KZ era >> and 30 Goten >> correct. >> Thank you. Um, I was trying to tell Heather there's a presentation button. Um, so that way it would make it bigger and then if you switched it then we could read the text on it. So I was just
trying to communicate that. I didn't mean to be disruptive but I was trying to help out. I um anyh who um I was just um interested. I know that initially when Jess um mentioned going um not having
the the CR any sort of um I'm trying to think here. Um not trying Hi. Sorry. um when Jess uh mentioned that you all
didn't want to own this um that part of that decision was because the public access wasn't part of that. Um that seemed like that was a driving force in addition to the interestingly shaped um
uh situation here. Um but uh it it seemed that the um planning board kind of made it apparent that it was a really awkward piece um with regard to open space just because of the proximity to different houses. Um I know personally I
would love to see trails in there and have it be connected but when it is not summertime I can see straight through the woods. So, um I know Michael Field was walking his dog one time and my dog was like, "Hey, what's going on up there?" Um but
you can, you know, I just saw him playing his day and he was I would say maybe like a quarter mile away from my house. Um and so it's more of like a also a security thing. I know the goss also feel very strongly about this um with regard to their privacy. um it's
just a very intimate uh space and so I think that if you know different things were to um different uh you know I'm I'm not sure about the intric I can't say the word uh the specifics with regard to the um the
language used um you know I think it would just be um just trying to be sensitive I guess just to the folks that already live there I apologize I don't know other folks folks's backyards and what it looks like to them. And I think the more open space the public has, the
better, honestly. But it's just more along the lines of we're already scooping up all these trees and all of these animals. And it's, you know, it's going to be really difficult, I would say, for a good, you know, good amount of years. Um um but then just to
introduce um walking trails and you know just other people I think it's just a bit of a I I'm not sure how to to say it but it's just a little bit intense. Um you know so uh there's that but then also
there's already I've never had anything uh mistakenly taken from my yard but since all of this has started um there's been items stolen from my property. Um, so I don't know how uh
>> um well a religious statue and uh a geode for lack of a better word. Uh but so uh not that I'm bringing that up here to be like, hey, you know, find my stuff, but uh it just presents, you know, some different different kind of scenarios that I don't think, you know,
personally I I didn't anticipate anything like that kind of happening already, but just to have folks, you know, out in the woods they do what they do now. I don't know why they would do that, but I don't know. Um, but it just, you know, just one of those things I I think just take
into uh to consideration if CRS are possible to modify down the road based on um changing circumstances or um or written um things within um or if there's a potential to innovate and
modify um I think that would be a really great decision um for the board. And um I'm super passionate about um you know this forest and I would love to share it with everyone but there's also different I guess situations that um warranted
just me discussing it with you all and just for your consideration and um understanding the sensitivity of the property. So >> yeah. Yeah, man. I've been in a lot of conservation areas locally and all of them go close to
homes. >> And just for the point of reference on the screen there is um the Oakidge entrance to Pine Meadow, which is here. And you literally walk right behind this house here. The trail, you can barely see the trails right there. That's where
the trail goes up. and you go right by this house here. Um, that's just one. And then all the other um, Curly Circle has public access in their CR. Um, all those houses as everyone knows are really close. Sho pond, same thing. It's public access. You're basically hiking
in people's backyards and it's actually seen as a benefit to those houses being built that they have open space in their backyard. >> Were those houses there? Um >> this one this one was actually built um I think I don't know when this was built
this and when this went into open space but when these houses get built they get built as it's a benefit that they >> so that person decided that they >> um and then >> and they had a built as part of it. So, I think that's just my, you know, it's not it's not ideal and, you know, I'm
just trying to come here with the understanding that you guys make the best decision for everyone in town, but it's just, you know, um, spiritually speaking, I connect with the land. And so, if I'm meditating in my yard and
some person comes up and is, you know, in my space, it's it's okay. I guess it's okay, but at the same time, it's just a little bit invasive, you know, um to go from my spiritual practice, which is being out in my yard
in nature and praying and connecting with the land, connecting with the Lord, and then, you know, you have people who are like playing music in the woods or hiking loudly. It's just super disruptive. So, you know, >> things change and I understand that, but
just with your consideration. So, >> all right. Thank you very much. >> Oh, yeah. Thank you, too. You too. So, um we're in agreement that we can hold the hold the CR and not not the
property. >> Vote on that. >> Mhm. Motion to hold the CR the open space at Lincoln Hill Development. >> So move >> second. All
>> in favor say I. >> I post nay. Do you want to have any conditions on the uh taking of a taking the CR >> such as the such as possibility of trails allowing for open space um
allowing for uh uh fee be set aside for the monitoring of the CR? >> Now you you said they they set aside $2,000 a year. Yeah. Do they monitor every year? Well, that's the thing is we haven't collected it because it's one of
those things we're like, "Oh crap, we have to do that." But, um, in the CR for Curly Circle, it is written in here that a fee of up to $2,000 a year be set for the monitoring and maintenance of the
CR. Do we ever get any estimate for what it would >> granter convince and agrees to reimburse the grantee up to $2,000 annually for the cost of a qualified consultant to inspect the premises and report. So it it grants up to $2,000 for us to be reimbursed for
the monitoring of the CR. >> Did we get an estimate for any site yet from North County Land Trust to understand if 2,000 is even? So the what we have is we have a a contract for $10,000 for them to do various projects
for us, not one specific um monitoring. So the contract we have now is for them to help write us write to write the CR um for Sugar Mill Pond uh the Tuka property. Not Shaker um Pine Meadow the Tuker property.
Yeah, we already have we already have Oakidge. and then look at the polar place uh conservation restriction, get that settled and done and then start the monitoring for shaker mill pond. >> Okay. >> Along with organizing the files.
>> So no actual itemized. >> No itemize. Yeah. >> Monitoring. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We could get that prior to this one >> and that that's fine. I think 2000 may be low in perpetuity.
>> Correct. >> So I I guess I if we could word it in some way that says no more than $2,000 for the first I don't know 20 years and then I don't know no more than five grand for years 20 plus something like that. Just just to be on the safe side
>> that if it turns into being, you know, $15,000 to do this in the future when people are making $8 million an hour, you know, I don't know. But it just seems like why would we >> I mean we could always change it to say no, you know, up to 5,000 and then that way if it's less than
>> Yeah, I don't know what other others think, but you know >> I I did think that too. I'm like oh 2,000. I'm like that's weird. What how much did it cost like when they did this? Like I don't know. Did anyone even check that? So I Yeah, correct. I think having a a base amount would be
beneficial and then maybe increase have it have it increased. I don't know what others think, but it's just >> a good idea. >> Yep. >> Something something to that effect. Maybe not what how I portray it. So maybe >> I just Yeah, I worry about having multiple lines in there like, "Oh, for the first then someone's going to have to be, oh, how many years has this been
in?" Oh, it's 20 years. So what is the amount now? I think just having a blanket one makes >> add that calculation to the $2,000 fee. Hopefully people can figure that out. >> 20 26 27. Do you >> have any other thoughts about
conditions? No, that those are those were my only two. Um and again um >> want to state those again for >> Yeah. So my only two was the obviously to see if we could have have some sort of amount written similar to other ones about for monitoring purposes. Um and
the other one was the to allow um the public access um in the property. I understand it is in its sensitive area due to the neighbors and I I don't mean to speak when I say that it needs to be in there. It's not to disregard the neighbors that are there. It's the fact
that this CR is in place in perpetuity and cannot be changed and to not allow it basically just isolates that piece of property. By the time this is approved and all the building is finally complete, five, six years down the road and then
if there's potential as you said in the past that you know is there is there option to connect to the high school some way, shape or form >> over those five, six, 10 years or >> 20 years whatever who might want to sell along that let's say corridor.
>> Yeah. Which you can see up there >> and how that might improve their And you have this large one here. You have >> what is that one? You're just cir >> this this lot here. So this is going to be part of the open space. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> So you go to this lot here. You go to
this lot here. Those houses are way up here to again these are all hypotheticals that could happen. May not ever happen. Who knows? But again to not allow the public access here
limits anything that can be done on this site for the end till the end of time. >> Right. Right. >> And where can you just come down just a bit? Where's the school? >> Oh, the school is further up. >> The school property is right.
>> Yeah. There >> here. Yep. So you literally just it's one two three. where granted, this house is a lot closer, so it's a little more difficult. It it might have to be something that if it were to would cut through that way, but that's a that's a that's again,
we're speaking super hypotheticals, but it's just one of those things to limit it, I think, is um a disservice to the town, for the future of the town. >> But that's just my opinion. Yep. Any
discussion on those two comments or those two conditions? >> No, I don't necessarily disagree. Again, it's once it's in, it's in. You know, you can't really change it. So, better to think with the eyes to the future and
who knows what may come. >> Okay, George. >> Yeah. And as long as we know we may have other comments is that the restriction is developed. >> Okay. Yeah. This is not more can be
added before this is >> correct. >> Yeah. Ken, you had you had a hand up. >> I had two things if you don't mind. I just there's actually a trail. It's fascinating. I know this kind of interesting to have this point. I I
don't think this is going to happen. That's my opinion. >> Oh yeah, I don't think so. >> I will tell you there's a trailer now which is kind of amazing. >> So if you go to Brilliana, this home here, it's on this massive lot. You can see very clearly here. There's like a dotted purple thing. See that?
>> Yeah. >> I have walked this trail. Okay. From the end of you walk down her driveway a little way, you jump in the woods. Goes up and down all around. Comes out to the paved street behind the high school. Goes down that pave street. M. >> So there's actually a way you can walk
from here to Iron Metals parking lot. >> You go right over the top of that hill. You pick up this driveway right here. >> Both to the end of the driveway and across the street up the hill and you go right through the woods to Mills entrance. >> Does that come out on Norway have to?
>> Um, no. Does not come out of nowhere. >> Oh, well it's got the purple there. I think that's right. >> Yeah. It winds up over the top of this hill and backing around and sneaks behind the the elementary school and down to that road right there. Then you go right through the parallel to the
Grunt Hed Road through the woods is another trail, you know, >> and across the street to my pawn meadow. So you can actually loop it. Once it's done, you may actually be able to walk right you can walk right in front of the >> this down the street and over in there. >> No, I had no idea. >> It's a crazy trail. But and the only
reason I knew it is because Janakus lives here. >> Lives right in right here. Number this is her house right here. And I was visiting her about something and I said, "There any trails up here?" She said, "You can walk right through." Now you So that's one thing. But
>> I wouldn't go I wouldn't go walking until those people told me I could be on their property. >> But the the other question was on the CR. Um, would there be a situation where if you conditioned the CR that you would take it with these conditions and that was
not acceptable? >> Well, the conditions are for you. The conditions aren't in the CR. The conditions are to the planning board that when you make your decision to know that the conservation commission is willing to hold it with these conditions. Then what if we find those
conditions to be not compatible with the way we think about it? Then what happens? >> Would be my opinion if the deny >> it then >> if the conservation commission thinks that these conditions are >> in order for us to take it then they have to find another entity to take the CR. >> Okay.
>> Which they may have similar conditions. So it is kind of like the conservation analysis but a little maybe a little stronger that you make these recommendations back to the planning board. Then if there's need to be resolved there'd be another meeting and run through it. I mean there's plenty of time obviously to do it but it's not
critical at all. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Vote on this. >> Yes please. So motion to approve the conditions that there is
public access >> to recommend the conditions >> to recommend the condition that there's public access and also what do you call that >> maintenance fee >> maintenance fee >> of >> monitoring fee sorry >> monitoring fee of
>> s >> yeah just it's it's >> of the amount >> yeah of the amount because I This is all going to go through lawyers and they got to hash hash all that out. I don't I I think there should be language in there that said like similar to ones we already have that there's the ability to
get reimbursed for the monitoring of the CR that's all. >> And that's going to be a limit that's going to have a cap on that. >> It does and the one that we currently have. >> Yeah. Whether we whether we do that for future ones, I that's I think up to the
lawyers and you know when the CR gets drafted, we'll all have comments on that anyway. They do come before the commission to review and comment and town council. So >> I think that that amount can get hashed out or figured out then. But to have that in there that we will we'll be
willing to hold the CR if we have that line item in there. >> Okay. >> So move second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Post nay. >> There we go.
>> Yeah, we can always >> tweak >> attach it to inflation rate or, you know, annual escalation rate or something like that, you know, just so makes it a little bit less wordy. But >> All right. Very good.
>> Appreciate that. Thank you. conservation office updates. >> Um, so like we alluded to before, um, Newton Streets next week, next Saturday. Um, so I have all the seeds in, 90% of them are already in packets. Um, I have
started the milk jug greenhouse in my office so people can see how they could sew some of the seeds in their house over winter if they'd like to. Um, I also at my own house have a canvas pot that I put some some wildflower seeds in so people can see what they will look like and they can do different things.
I'm going to gather some plants and seeds around as well so I can show people how to sew their own seeds from the wild flowers that they can grow in their yard to give even more seeds and get more wild flowers growing. Um, so I did a mixture of seeds. So, we did a a
wildflower mix and then I did three individual plants in case someone didn't want to do a whole mix. They just want to do a couple plants. So, it was blazing star bonets and Joe pine. >> Yeah. All are pollinator native
friendly. >> So, that'll be fun. >> That'll be a good time. 10 to 3 next Saturday on the 4th. Um, oh, and I have stickers and then I have Tana stuff, too, to give away. You get candy. >> I will get candy this weekend. Tomorrow
there will be candy. >> Jess, I'm coming. >> I'm going to get candy. I like So, no, I'm just kidding. I'll get candy. There'll be candy in gummy bear in some sort of gummy gummy candy and chocolate. Um and I will see if I can find um sumac
so I can make sumac tea again. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> You can take those. There's a bunch. I'll see if I can grab some sumac for you. >> Yeah, I just need the berries on top. >> Yeah, the red stuff. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You just soak it for a day and add sugar and strain up strain it.
>> You can also dry this those berries and makes a delicious topping to like beer bread and stuff. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sum has a natural uh anti-inflammatory. >> Yeah. Here you go. So, these are these are fun things we try to teach people to
appreciate their their backyards. Um the Let's see what else we got. So, we we did um what else we doing? I've been working on that and then working on um open uh sustainability
committee stuff. So, the office is pretty quiet. We don't have any applications coming in right now. Oh, before I came in today because they the um National Grid did clean out the cover, the head wall um for the substation. >> Oh, okay. Um, so they cleared that out
last week and it was one of the conditions that after a heavy rain I would go out and inspect it. So I did on my way here go to look cuz I know it did rain quite a bit to see if any nothing's fallen. Um, I was kind of disappointed. I think the pipe is still blocked further up. Um, they did clean it all
out though where wherever the pipe is is is plugged upream. I don't know, but we have no no water flowing through it. So, it was very Yeah, it was very disappointing. >> Um,
>> wonder what sort of underground >> channel. Let's see what where >> what we got going on. What's What's Yeah, I mean, I guess if the sinkhole opens, they'll go figure it out, but who the heck knows >> what's going on? It went right across the street to in front of the that old car shop thing right in there.
>> Yeah, it goes underground. It's all underground through there and it goes into the wetland. That's so where it's plugged in that I don't we don't know. But I was kind of hoping it would have there would have been but there it wasn't. There was a there was a stream of water in there but that was just on
the rain. There's no flow >> which is kind of disappointing. >> But so there's that. Um on that we don't have anything. We don't have anything coming down the pipeline right now. I think DPW is working on some stuff, but
um I don't have any filings coming in for next meeting. So, we'll have we'll have um 12 Willow um on the next agenda to go over the um >> D comments. So, make sure you've reviewed those.
>> Okay, >> that's it. >> Jan, you got anything? >> George, >> I'll get you a sec. Mark, >> uh, just something that was really
interesting to see. When we were down on the Cape a couple weekends ago, um, we were along the beach and as we were leaving the beach looking out in the salt marsh, there a buck on the edge of the salt marsh. >> A what? >> A buck. >> Deer.
>> Deer on the edge of the salt marsh. I was like, "Wow, wouldn't never expected that." It just kind of interesting to see that. >> Yeah, that is interesting. They're chopped on some of the bushes on the side like under these >> like somebody's house there kind of thing. But yeah, kind of weird.
>> I'm hoping to get another Eagle Scout to come for with a project cuz I have one all lined up now and I'm just waiting for it. I dawned on me. We were doing a pocket forest workday couple uh few Saturdays ago um to do a bug hotel in
Pine Meadow. Do you know what those are? >> A bug hotel? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I think that would be neat to have in there, you know. >> Yeah. In Pine Meadow where the you know the trails all split off and everything to have one put in there. But unfort I don't have a Eagle Scout. So, I'm really hoping one comes
>> because I think that would be a fun one. >> Well, I think that what's what was the the girl's name who who came who was the Eagle Scout that did the benches for us? >> She said there's a couple more in the pipeline. >> Yeah, she did. I one contacted me and I got back to them too late and they'd already found another project. I was
like, "Oh, so I'm really hoping another one comes up cuz I think doing that there would be really neat to have, especially with like signage or anything on it >> cuz we saw when I was in Vermont, we saw I saw one at a conservation land and it was more or less like here's where you put it and people as they went hiking
could gather pine needles or pine cones and put it in there to make it bigger." I'm like, "Yeah." So, it's like an interactive one. I'm like, "Oh, that's fun. I want to do that." Ken, you had something for us. >> So, since I came tonight and I don't want to get in a long discussion about
this, but this has to do with just follow up and Heather's talked to me about this already and the difficulties of CRS and all that stuff. One of the CRs that never got resolved, you may be aware of, is the one right next to me in Solar 2. >> Oh, I have to. >> Okay. So, >> I've been working on it.
>> That's all I hear is I'm working on it. No, it's not Heather's fault, but it's the way to resolve this because I'll tell you what my interest is. These CRs, I don't think there's many citizens, and Rachel can hear this, in the town of Air that realize when you do one of these and they get recorded and they go on
Mass Mapper, we get credit for that open space. So, you're creating open space that now is being a benefit to the town of Via. >> When we talk about open space, people think, for instance, this is open space, you know, the Lincoln Hills. It's not.
It's private land. But when the CRS go into place and they get recorded or not recorded, whatever this se the whole sequence geted, >> they become a real piece. And if you go to mass mapper, you know, one of the the the GIS blown up that the state uses
that has everything on it, >> you click on conservation restrictions and it lights up on the town of they light up the locations all over the state. So we end up getting that as a credit on our open space. So in the every five years or so and I believe
it's uh is it Ottabon who puts out the big report losing land? >> Yep. >> We get credit for that. So five years ago writes a report losing land and says wow we congratulate the town of air because they put an OSRD regulation in place. Now we get to see the result of
that five or six or 10 years later by showing that great gain. Now, that doesn't apply to solar, too, but that's a huge piece of land. It might be what, 25 acres, something like that. I >> I don't know. >> It's 35 acre parcel. It's got like five acres cut out of it for the project.
>> Could be 25 or 30 acres that we end up, you know, getting credit for. So, my interest is not so much personal because I live there. It's that the town would get that credit for that CR. >> Yeah. >> And I think it's important. So, >> and that's that's advancing. >> Yeah. They I heard from oddly enough
Roit like two weeks ago um saying that they're working on he's working on getting the comments from the state and our town council resolved but I haven't heard anything back further on that. Um >> he's a tough guy to get a hold of. >> Oh god. Well, I at this point I would
prefer he fixed the storm water system that from the yearly report that we got that there there was issues with that over the CR, >> but you know that's neither here nor there. But um CRS are not I mean we saw how long it took us to get Shaker Mopon o
over and through it. It's not a fast process as far as getting that lawyer to talk about it, our lawyer to talk about it, state to review it. Everyone gets it back then it gets it's just a so it's beneficial for you Ken as as a planning board member to see just to see how long
they take. So when you're when you're when the planning board's making these decisions and having these CRs put in place and then walking away and then realizing, oh no, there's four years worth of work that's still going forward to get them done. >> This one was Solar 2 is different than what you the >> Air2 is different. Air Well, it's still
the CR process. Air Solo 2, they had to do that due to the take for the Yeah. >> the turtles. >> Exactly. >> Um that was put on by Natural Heritage and that was the requirement from the state and then the state goes, "Okay, we made them do this. There you go." So that and that that one also is going to
be the town's going to hold a CR. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So they're going to continue to own it, but we we don't we get the CR. >> We have the CR. Correct. And we're we're working on that and that'll eventually go forward and go through if we continue
the contract with North County. That'll be that'll be in next year's one just because that one's so close to getting finished. I just wanted to add the ones on there that I knew we could get done with that one just being a looming one. But it'll get added to that list. >> You understand the point. This is a lot
of land. >> I think we deserve to get credit for it. The guy's the thing's been running like full force for like three years. So, he's getting his income from the project. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yes. >> That was my comment to >> uh >> Thank you, Mr. Very welcome. um citizen
came up to me and said that the access point to Pine Meadow from Oakidge >> road is fairly steep. >> It's very steep >> and it's quite eroded and
and uh a little dangerous currently. >> You have to go one spot. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, they were asking about some kind of >> stairs, >> steps, some wooden >> Yep. >> trees or >> That could be another Eagle Scout. >> That would be a wonderful
>> That's a perfect pine. >> Pine Pine Meadow off of >> Oakidge. >> Oakidge Drive. >> I will I'll make a note for that because I feel like that's a good scout project.
>> Maybe a couple scouts. I have to go look. I don't know. >> It It depends. I think I have to look at it and see how steep it would be. >> Um I don't I do know we're going to do this. I talk to Danny about the sheds over there, too. We're supposed to take those out. So, depending on what we're
doing with that, maybe that's something I could then turn to Dan at the DPW, too, and be like, "Is this something you could do if we get the materials for you?" Or >> the shed is the materials. >> Could be. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Again. So, so I I'll I'll look at
that too um when we eventually go out there with them and be like, "Hey, we have this issue, too. Can we fix this one? Can you guys do this or do we need to >> Are they the ones that go in and do cutting trees?" >> They do. Yeah. When I ask him, >> Yeah.
>> I mean, the big ones that the big ones that came down on Grton Harvard Road, um the tree warden, um Mike Dixon had uh I think he he called a tree copy because those were huge. But yeah, typically if it's a smaller one, yeah, they just go in and cut a hole. He usually just goes
in and cuts a hole and leaves it. But those ones I think he had to get a tree company and cut those. Had an interesting thing in in our yard up against our garage and where the the
chimney meets was a corner right there. There was a ground hornet nest. Pretty big pretty big hole and it wasn't close to us. It wasn't close to anywhere we go. So I think I'll let it go. The other day we went
out there and I smelled skunk really strong. That thing is gone. Here's a here's a hole this big. And that nest is everywhere. >> The skunk got it. >> Skunk went in and got it. >> Yep. >> I don't know if he sprayed him. I mean,
he had to spray because it was it was really strong. or he was just getting stung and sprayed or I don't know what but it was it was this big the nest
I mean it was a chunk anyway I had never seen that before I didn't know that they could do that they did it to >> I I didn't want to see a term but typically when you find skunks in your yard it's because you have um an infest not an infestation but those critters
are grubs and whatnot eat them. So yeah, I learned that the other day. >> Yeah, the grubs and stuff. Yeah, they were a lot of them probably like two years ago. >> Oh my gosh. So So alarming sometimes, but they're >> pretty nice. I mean, skunks
I've never once been sprayed. And I've been One got into our garage one time and I was there was no lights in there and I went down to clean up the mess. Got into a trash can. I was this far away from that skunk's butt.
before I saw it and he didn't spray me. It's like they don't they're not going to do it unless you hurt them, I don't think. >> Well, they don't want to spray themselves. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, anyone? Barry, you got something for us?
>> Just wants to go home. >> Wants to go home. Not when you adjourn, just give me a second to shut the recording off. >> Absolutely. Yeah. We won't talk about you until it's off. >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. So move.
>> Second. >> All in favor say I. I. >> Oppos? Nay. passes unanimous.