WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=_x6vtesgKmw NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: _x6vtesgKmw): - 00:00:00: Air Planning Board Meeting April 28th, 2026 Call to Order - 00:01:05: Agenda Approval and Rescheduling of 20 Grton Harvard - 00:02:08: Motion to Open and Immediately Continue 20 Grton - 00:03:11: Announcement: Public Comment Time Limits and 50 Jackson - 00:03:56: 50 Jackson Street Updates and Neighbor's Fence Request - 00:07:24: Discussion: Length of Fence for Neighbor at 50 Jackson - 00:09:22: Discussion: Tree Clearing Regulations, Setbacks and Impact - 00:12:53: Additional Trees and May 12th Election Discussion - 00:14:44: Planning New Meeting Due to Election and Continuance - 00:18:19: Motion: Continue 50 Jackson Street To May 5th - 00:18:52: 64 Littleton Road Site Plan and Waiver Requests - 00:21:05: 64 Littleton Road Plan Revisions: Infiltration and Vegetation - 00:24:20: 64 Littleton Road: O&M Plan, HOA Structure, Funding - 00:27:37: O&M Responsibility, October Submission and Clarifications - 00:30:05: 64 Littleton Road: Building Setbacks, Certified As-Built Plans - 00:31:09: Boulders on Slope and Conservation Restriction Language - 00:33:17: 64 Littleton Road: Conservation Restriction & Retention System - 00:35:08: 64 Littleton Road: ADU Size, Deed Restrictions and Rentals - 00:38:56: Additional Markers, Single Family Homes and ADUs - 00:40:35: 64 Littleton Road: Potential Deck, Waivers and Review - 00:41:57: 64 Littleton Road: DPW and Sewer Line Comments - 00:44:24: Discussion: Sewer Capacity and Town's Disclaimer - 00:46:18: 64 Littleton Road: Stormwater and Traffic Statements - 00:47:21: Waiver Review & Vote: Traffic Impact Statement - 00:48:26: Waiver Review & Vote: Photometric Plan Requirement - 00:50:08: Waiver Review & Vote: Stormwater Management Easement - 00:51:15: 64 Littleton Road: Open Public Comment - 00:51:30: Public Comment: Rebecca Jones, 66 Littleton Street - 00:57:23: Questions about Abestos - 00:57:40: Public Comment: Pauline Santas & ADU Concerns - 00:59:03: Public Comment: Coleen Santis Follow-Up Question - 01:00:05: Continue 64 Littleton: Motion and Voting - 01:00:51: 7-13 & 15 Park Street: Air Family Pharmacy - 01:01:38: Park Street Pharmacy: Introduction, Additional Parking - 01:06:51: Discussion: Leeaching Basin, Maintenance and Operation - 01:08:58: Discussion: ADA Parking & Signage for Locations - 01:09:49: Waivers, Landscaping and Unusual Lot Shape Concerns - 01:13:38: Visual Barriers & Rain Garden Locations Clarification - 01:15:58: Offer Trade to Town by Air Family Pharmacy - 01:17:10: Deliveries, Truck Parking, Snow Removal Discussion - 01:21:58: Sidewalk against Park Street and Utility Pole Safety - 01:23:45: Tree Types, Sidewalk Extension Discussion - 01:27:31: 64 Park St Discussion of Crosswalks - 01:28:01: Open Public Comments: 7-13 & 15 Park Street - 01:28:17: Continue 7-13 & 15 Park Street Vote - 01:29:11: Fisher Road Senior Center Project: Open Public Hearing - 01:30:02: Senior Center Representatives & Presentation Begins - 01:31:56: Senior Center: Building Details & Land Description - 01:33:23: Senior Center: Septic and Handicap Spots - 01:34:43: Senior Center: Patio and Pickleball Courts - 01:35:48: Senior Center: Snow Storage and Retention Basin - 01:37:13: Architect Discussion: Safety & Accessibility - 01:38:54: Senior Center Architect on Planning: Safety & Accessibility - 01:40:42: Lighting & Safety Considerations by Architect - 01:42:22: Charging Stations & Buliding Features - 01:46:13: Address Parking at Front of Building - 01:49:30: Senior Center: Question by The Board - 01:50:01: Senior Center: The Bike Rack Discussion - 01:51:22: Senior Center: Discuss with Electrical Inspector - 01:52:10: Senior Center: Guard Rail along, Retaining Wall - 01:53:15: Senior Center: Grading on Snow Storage Volume - 01:54:36: Senior Center: Cross Walks, Deliveries, and Pentry - 01:57:50: Senior Center: Discussion of Dumpster Enclosures - 02:01:12: Senior Center: Update by Comments from Board - 02:04:09: Senior Center: Police Officer Comments - 02:07:55: Senior Center: Safety & Traffic - 02:11:45: Public Comments and Adjourment - 02:12:00: Public Comments and Board Discussion - 02:12:49: Public Comments: Julien Gorvank, 34 Groton Harvard Road - 02:14:28: Continue Public Comments & Vote - 02:15:02: Project Status Updates: Lincoln Hill - 02:17:25: Communication with the Roads - 02:17:58: Federal Holiday - 02:20:24: Time on May 5th - 02:21:13: Zoom Info on Meeting on 5th - 02:22:39: Filming and Screening The Second Time - 02:23:14: Public Comments Rachel Cazella Question - 02:24:20: Public Comments Julien Gorvank the Progress on Culvert Part: 1 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:16.960 Hello and welcome to the Tuesday, April 28th, 2026 meeting of the Air Planning Board. This meeting hearing of the Air Planning Board will be held in person at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting. Please note that while an option for remote attendance and or participation via Zoom 2 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:32.399 is being provided as a courtesy to the public, the meeting hearing will not be suspended or terminated if technological problems interrupt the virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by law. Members of the public with a particular interest in a specific item on this agenda should make plans for inerson 3 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:49.200 versus virtual attendance accordingly. This meeting will be live on Zoom. The public may access the proceedings by joining Zoom meeting ID 9787728220 or by calling 9292056099. For additional information about remote participation, please contact Danny 4 00:00:49.200 --> 00:01:05.199 Ruiz, town planner at druisair.mmate. West for 978-772 8220 extension 144 prior to the meeting. First order of business to approve the agenda and uh I want to suggest a change. We're going to move up 20 Grunt 5 00:01:05.199 --> 00:01:20.799 Harvard Road to the first item precisely because um we will not be able we're going to open it and then immediately continue it. We made a mistake in the distribution of announcements to abutters and by law that means we have to reschedule a meeting and resend out 6 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:37.360 the abutter notifications. So our first item then on this change agenda will be to open and then continue 20 grt and Harvard road. Any other questions or concerns about the agenda hearing? None. Do I have a motion to approve uh proceed with the agenda as 7 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:53.680 suggested? I'll make a motion we approve the agenda for April 28th, 2026 hybrid planning board meeting as amended by the chairman. >> Second. Okay. Thank you. Any discussion? Hearing none. >> Ken, >> I. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, 8 00:01:53.680 --> 00:02:08.239 >> I. >> Julie? >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. Uh, agenda is approved. Uh so I I need a motion to I make a motion to open uh the public hearing for 20 Grten Harvard Road map 27 parcel 622 9 00:02:08.239 --> 00:02:24.400 and 205 for site plan review and storm water management uh management permit and exclusionary housing. Oh, that's it. Period. >> Second. >> Any further discussion hearing? None. Ken, >> wait a minute. So, we're opening it first 10 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:39.599 >> and then I have to do another vote for continu. >> I for opening. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, >> I >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. And now we need a motion for the continuence. I move that we continue the public hearing for 20 rotten Harvard road map 11 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:55.840 27 parcel 62 and 205 application for site plan review storm water management permit and inclusionary housing >> seconded. >> Any further discussion hearing >> the date May 26th 12 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:11.760 >> May 26 airplane board. >> Thank you sir and thank you Julie >> Ken. >> Is there any comment from anybody on that? No discussion >> on from the board >> on continuence. >> There there's no discussion. >> I vote I on the continuence. 13 00:03:11.760 --> 00:03:27.280 >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie? >> Yes. >> Chair votes I is continued. So that brings us to the first I'm a businesses meeting the continued public hearing for 50 Jackson Street. >> Mr. Chair, before we we just usually are 14 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:43.200 starting an announcement about 3 minutes and we I think we >> you can come on up, but this will be very quickly. Uh we have very quick just a brief announcement just explaining that we have a very crowded agenda this evening. That means that when we come to the public comment period for each of these public hearings I'm going to ask 15 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:56.799 that everyone restrict their comments to 3 minutes and Julie on the board will serve as our timer. Thank you Mr. Gallagher. >> You too. >> Good evening. I'll be out of here in 3 minutes. Good evening everybody. Mark Gallagher from Seal Harbor Development. 16 00:03:56.799 --> 00:04:17.199 Uh over the past couple of weeks uh turn in all of the uh comments or correct all the com uh comments from the last time we were together. Um I believe the only open item on this um refers to 17 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:32.560 Virginia Egan's uh tree which she came and sat. She's not here tonight because she's on vacation. She has communicated to both Danny and I via text. Um, she would like the tree to be removed that we discussed the last time we were here. 18 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:49.199 Um, she does not feel that putting uh spruces along that property line would aid her because it would take so long for them to grow. So, we offered to uh put a wood stockade fence, I believe 50 19 00:04:49.199 --> 00:05:06.800 ft along the property line uh to screen the area that she was concerned about screening. And we hope that the board would accept that this evening and put it in the findings of fact. >> Great. Do we need that in in the plan itself? The 50 foot plans or >> so we can condition it um that you know 20 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:22.320 the final set of plans have. >> Okay. But we don't need to see it on the plan now. >> No. >> Okay. >> Anything else on this that we need to discuss this evening? >> So the um all the comments have been addressed. Um there were you know this one was pretty minor. Obviously, the 21 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:40.240 last thing here is kind of the board's um uh feeling on the trees and how many trees there are on the site. That's kind of uh I know Ken had some concerns regarding that along the property line. Um but um the neighbor did request a 22 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:57.840 fence instead of arborites or spruces um to provide the visual buffer. Um >> that's the same side. That's the west side. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Correct. So, um, at this point it's, um, Yeah. So, you can kind of see along here, this side, right? >> Oh, so the plan has been amended to show 23 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:13.199 this. >> Yeah. So, it doesn't show the fence. Um, these are revised plans, but these were revised um just before the final decision, whether it's a fence or um or if it's was trees. But we can condition that the final set of plans 24 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:35.360 that get submitted to me show um a fence on there. Was that the only plant that was >> No, it it it goes >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes, sir. Kathleen. >> I'm sorry, Kathleen. 25 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:52.000 >> Uh it was just if I'm reading that right, it's that's 192 ft and you said the fence is going to be 50. >> That's what she requested. Yeah. >> Where? like >> she has a pool on the right hand side >> and she was concerned that with the tree being removed she would not have any 26 00:06:52.000 --> 00:07:08.000 screening of her above ground pool. So um I I don't know exactly where she would like the 50 ft of fence. We would be happy to put it wherever she decides or whatever the board would like it to go. It really doesn't matter to us. 27 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:24.319 Um, the only thing I the only thing I see is like the 50 ft. I I don't know how. >> Doesn't seem like a lot to me. >> Doesn't seem like a lot to me. Um, my in my opinion, I'd say suggest, 28 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:41.759 but if you're going to put the fence, make it the whole property line. >> I think that's a little excessive, don't you? that was not I mean the trees that we removed on there um a lot of them were um not native and there were a lot of 29 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:58.000 invasives so that that that property was well overgrown. If we had followed the direction that we're going now we would be at the same point. We would not be putting a fence up. We will be gaining permission to remove the non-native and 30 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:13.520 natives inside the property boundary area and we'd also be not so concerned about uh screening somebody's pool that's on another property. >> So I I understand the argument. The problem is I have no way of knowing what 31 00:08:13.520 --> 00:08:30.160 kind of trees were there prior. Um I can't tell you what was in there. Was it invasive or not? Was it native? Was it? So, I can't um retroactively go back and look at what was there. I have pictures of what it looked like where it was full fully, you know, 32 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:45.839 >> jungle. >> Yeah, exactly. I don't know what trees were in along that property line area if things could have been saved to pro, you know, to provide uh additional screening. So, I'm looking at it from where we are 33 00:08:45.839 --> 00:09:03.600 now and providing that type of screening. I mean, I know it's for her pool that's back here. So, maybe it's not the full property line. Maybe it's halfway up the the middle of the house. I it uh but I 34 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:22.720 think some sort of a cuz 50 ft is it's going to probably stop like right about here. Danny, if if we had followed the site plan approval process and what is the rules and regulations on clearing trees? 35 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:39.600 >> So, under section 9.6 of the land clearing, it has a different kind of standard. It's um you have to do it goes it it the actual bylaw um talks about you know um going to the extents practical to retain as many trees as 36 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:56.080 possible. Um reduce how much land clearing there is go um protect specimen trees significant forest communities and damage removal during um site development um encourage. So there's within that we 37 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:13.839 had we looked at the site um we could have probably gone out there and say oh protect these trees that's typically what we've had. So like we've done that on a project on um on Third Street Pine we did a Pine Street extension. We went out there uh Heather and I and uh Mike 38 00:10:13.839 --> 00:10:29.279 walked the site said protect this protect these trees and they showed it on the plans and uh provided uh uh you know construction fencing around it uh prior to uh actual construction occurring. So that's how we would have 39 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:46.399 handled it right now since it's already clearcut. Now we got to try to handle it from the point that we're at now. So I think >> but the only area that would have been protected would have been within the setback >> because the lot's so narrow. >> It would have been um 40 00:10:46.399 --> 00:11:01.600 >> you were allowed to clear right to the setback. So it's what 10 ft. >> Yeah. So it would have Yeah. The the setbacks would have been protected um or even allowed to cut down. But it just it would have been more uh >> just trying to get some context. It just 41 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:17.760 would have been more a little bit more um detailed in saying which trees would have been protected. Okay. >> It would have excuse me through the chair. So basically a site visit would have been done with the with the owner and try to come up with a way of saving a few trees and take a look at the site and 42 00:11:17.760 --> 00:11:32.640 >> a little more thorough. >> Yeah. So, I mean the for me it's I can't tell how long 50 ft's really going to protect from a visual buffer wise. >> So, what's the length of the house? I 43 00:11:32.640 --> 00:11:48.160 can don't remember off the top. >> Um, >> well, it says 192 on the right for the >> No, 192 is the length of >> Yeah, a quarter of that is 50 feet roughly. >> Yeah. So, it's probably probably 80 feet. >> Yeah, because it's a very long narrow. 44 00:11:48.160 --> 00:12:04.399 So if we projected the whole 80 ft and she's not going to be that slope goes pretty significant in the back. I don't think that's where she's got a pool. >> Yeah. No, I >> guessing it's on the top. >> I think it's somewhere up here. >> So eight in the >> So I would, you know, probably to like 45 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:21.760 >> 80 80 would be an even number for the length of fence. >> So if the board is satisfied, we do 80 ft. >> So you want Excuse me. So that goes in the decision approximately 80 feet. Yeah. Something like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> With the exact location to be determined 46 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:37.440 between you and neighbor or >> or Mike and >> I think the neighbor you and >> whatever you like. >> I would say between them and him and the neighbor just because I don't want to be the one to choose where exactly that I want. I want her to be able to have >> what views she wants blocked. 47 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:53.360 >> That's fine. >> Yeah, that makes sense to me. >> No issue. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Yes, Nathan. Um I do agree it's fundamentally between I mean the home the property owners to uh you know I 48 00:12:53.360 --> 00:13:08.079 think we get some guidance but fundamentally between between both property owners. There was discussion though about additional trees in the northwest. So is there any any recommendation or 49 00:13:08.079 --> 00:13:22.880 conclusion on getting one or two more three whatever it is in the northwest of the property? So the I know the neighbor had said she she would prefer a fence to trees. That's that was that was what she told us. >> Yeah. 50 00:13:22.880 --> 00:13:38.639 >> Yeah. Got it. I know it did come up when um Ken and the neighbor had discussed, you know, potentially putting trees along that um side so that it would more visual and you would uh be adding more trees. But uh the neighbor um Virginia 51 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:55.040 did say she would prefer an actual fence as opposed to um landscaping. Oh, >> okay. That was my other question is that you've al you can vouch also for what Mr. Gall said. >> Yeah, I've spoken with her. >> Great. Okay, great. >> So that leads us what? To the next meeting. 52 00:13:55.040 --> 00:14:11.440 >> So can >> Yeah. So I'm going to have to explain the >> So May 12th is an election is our election we have. So, uh, Kathleen and Nathan are not running for reelection. Um, >> Nathan, you broke my heart. 53 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:28.000 >> And there's >> Kathleen as well. >> Um, so there's we're going to be talking to town council to get a um kind of clarification on how does that work with the election happening and then our next meeting being May 26th. >> That's what I worked on. if if there's 54 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:44.800 something that um if we need to have a special meeting before that, I will be in contact with you and I will let you know. >> Okay? >> Um because I don't want to, you know, cause any issues with the votes on this, especially cuz now we're already on our 55 00:14:44.800 --> 00:15:03.199 second meeting. So, um I will get I'll get back to you as soon as I hear back from town council. As of right now, the um intent would be to Well, here's the here's the uh >> rub >> the rub. If we have to continue it to a 56 00:15:03.199 --> 00:15:22.880 date certain >> if we find out that we need to have a meeting prior to that, we've already continued it to May 26th. >> We can't have a meeting prior to that. So what we can do is if we propose a 57 00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:39.920 um placeholder of a special meeting on let's say May 5th. We wouldn't necessarily meet in this room because the select board would meet here. We could always have a meeting in the on the second floor in that meeting 58 00:15:39.920 --> 00:15:55.279 room. >> Be virtual. >> It could be virtual as well. Um, but I think the best course of action would be to continue it to May 5th for now. And then if we find out we don't need to 59 00:15:55.279 --> 00:16:11.600 have that special meeting on May 5th, we can all it can be two members. As long as there's two members, we can have two members jump on the Zoom, continue it to May 26th, and then we're all set. >> Oh, good. Is there a quorum issue when 60 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:27.360 >> they're both out and >> there's only three members >> to continue a meeting? No, >> I mean for the for the vote for the approval. >> That's so that's >> because if you have two new members that have not been at the first two meetings, >> that's why we're starting over, right? >> That's exactly why we're trying to continue it to the to make sure that 61 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:41.920 that's >> okay. >> We're going to be okay with a vote. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Sure. >> So, I think I would suggest move um continuing to May 5th. >> Okay. >> So, we have a placeholder date. where you are. >> Um I do have a doctor's appointment. >> You don't necessarily need to be there. 62 00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:58.959 We don't need a karm for a continuence. >> Okay. >> For a decision. >> We would just need one member. We can have one member continue it. Um >> but a decision. >> Why don't we just plan on one meeting? >> Why don't we just try to do it? >> Let's just do it virtually and 63 00:16:58.959 --> 00:17:14.480 >> do a decision, right? >> And then there's no ifs. >> Well, he has to have the decision. >> I can I can get a decision. That's not >> I can get it right. That's not an issue. >> I can get a decision done by then >> and I can get it to him by Friday. >> Half an hour to do the little things. Just >> do it when we know. 64 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:29.840 >> Thank you. >> We want at night. >> Um >> yeah, if you want >> if it's a Zoom, I can probably join at 6:15, but otherwise I would have to show up a little later. >> Yeah. No, we would just like we could think really different guys. 65 00:17:29.840 --> 00:17:47.200 >> That's That is also true. We could do it as a different time if it if a little later works best for everybody. >> Yeah, that's fine. Want to do seven? >> Uh, sure. >> It doesn't have to be. I'm just throwing out suggestions of different >> process 66 00:17:47.200 --> 00:18:04.720 works for me. I assume you could even meet and move it to the 7th or the 8th if uh with >> Well, so there's the 48 hour rule that you have to >> Okay. fine with me if um I don't know if it's an option too if the select board 67 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:20.720 has the ability to do a special one meeting appointment to get a decision made in the future. >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Okay. Never mind. Just throwing out ideas. >> No, we wouldn't do that. >> So, really wild here. 68 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:36.080 >> So, we're looking for a motion for continuance to May 5th. >> I make a motion to continue the public hearing for 50 Jackson Street to May 5th, 7 o'clock. Second. >> Any further discussion hearing? None. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. 69 00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:52.160 >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. Okay. We'll see you May 5th. Thank you. Can I make the three minutes or not? No. >> Have a good meeting. >> All right. We now have the continued public hearing for 64 Littleton Road. >> So 700 p.m. 70 00:18:52.160 --> 00:19:07.520 >> You can do You can come virtually. You don't have to rush back. Virtually is fine. >> I thought we were all virtual. Doesn't have to all be. It does. If you don't want to be impartable, you can come. >> That was the best of life. >> All right. >> Sorry. 71 00:19:07.520 --> 00:19:25.280 >> Yes. So, the next uh item >> Yep. 64 Limhood, come on up. >> Let's go everybody. >> Thank you. So, uh do you want to take us to where we are and where we need to go, sir? >> Yes. All right. Um so, uh the applicant 72 00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:44.240 provided a h a revised submission. Yep. >> With uh site plan and operation and maintenance plan. >> Mhm. >> Uh response letter, storm water management report, um a SW uh um and a waiver requests. So what I would start 73 00:19:44.240 --> 00:20:02.000 with is let us let's go through the waiver um request letter. So all right. So the applicant, you know, post that last meeting, the applicant submitted a web request that we had 74 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:16.799 talked about that was updated um and they removed uh some of the waiverss. So what's still being requested is the traffic impact statement which um for this project, same with the outdoor 75 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:33.039 lighting, so the photometric plan and the storm water easement under section 2.10 10 B1. So, those are the three waiverss that the applicant is requesting at this point. >> Um, 76 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:49.919 no, >> we didn't. There's no revised plan here. You're going to do it on the screen, right? >> So, you have a revised set of plans in there, but I'm Yeah, I'm going to pull it up so that can go through it. like I got to see you. >> Um >> if there's a Oh, did I 77 00:20:49.919 --> 00:21:05.840 >> What's the matter with what >> did I not um print it out? >> That I may have not printed that one up for you guys. I'll pull it up on the website right now. >> Okay. >> Um so let's I'll let um kind of go through the actual um revisions for the 78 00:21:05.840 --> 00:21:21.600 site plan. >> Okay, cool. Thank you. >> Thank you, Danny. Uh for the record, Lynwood Tiv. I'm an engineer at TPR. Nice to see everybody again. Uh following the last meeting, we had the brief sitewalk um on the subject site. 79 00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:37.360 Um we talked a little bit about the changes that you see before you here. Uh not much has changed um since that sitewalk. Um ultimately what we've done is we've taken a lot of the suggestions from the last meeting and incorporating 80 00:21:37.360 --> 00:21:53.280 um well shifting the um infiltration basin away from the vegetation so that you know the limit of clearing is reduced to the low brush vegetation area that we talked about while we're standing out there. So we're trying to 81 00:21:53.280 --> 00:22:10.080 minimize as much tree clearing as we can. And in addition to that for lot number three on the right hand side there we have also pulled back the clearing from you know right at the uh property line so that we're maintaining 82 00:22:10.080 --> 00:22:26.720 at least 8 ft from the property line to the erosion control limit and we'll have about roughly 8 ft from the erosion control limit to where the new house is going in. So we're trying to save as many trees as we can on the the back end there. In addition to that, we've also 83 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:42.960 included 16 new plantings uh new ates uh three of which is trying to screen uh the back of the lot three building uh to the back of the abuing property and five you can see five between lot 84 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:59.280 two and three, five between lot one and two as well as three on the left hand side there in the backyard of lot one. Um, as part of this revision, we submitted a storm water management report as well as an O andM and we're drawing our previous gradewood request 85 00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:15.200 for the uh storm water regulations. Um, the basin you see before you is has been designed to meet the mass storm water handbook as well as the town of air storm water regs. 86 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:32.960 We've addressed the, you know, question about whether or not we're increasing runoff, potential runoff to the abuing property. Uh the report will show that we're reducing peak discharge rate as well as volume into the receiving end of the 87 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:48.159 discharge point. >> And it looks to me that so the biggest change of course is shifting the infiltration basin from instead of crossing two and three, it's exclusively almost exclusively in two. And that means that the overflow then is not to go on the neighbor's property but goes 88 00:23:48.159 --> 00:24:03.360 into lot three. Is that the intent here? >> That that is correct. But >> but eventually >> it's not the intended design point of the revision. >> We're just we shifted at the basin for the the whole point of trying to save 89 00:24:03.360 --> 00:24:20.720 trees. Um we have to maintain the existing drainage pattern on site. This is where water's dumping out. Therefore, we have to maintain it. >> All right. So, 90 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:42.640 I'll open up questions. I I can we bring up the O and M plan. >> Yes. >> And if you could scroll to the section about the ownership. >> Ownership of responsibility. >> Yes. Um so it says ownership and responsibility. 91 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:57.679 The owner or their designated representative shall be responsible for funding, operating and maintaining the uh SCMs. At a minimum, the owner shall adhere to the guidelines outlined in this O andM plan. 92 00:24:57.679 --> 00:25:14.080 Uh maintenance and training. Each SCM has specific maintenance requirements and to ensure long-term functionality. The operation and maintenance plan will be reviewed with maintenance staff and training shall include instructions for routine maintenance and emergency 93 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:30.400 response procedures. A qualified professional will conduct regular inspections, operations and maintenance to ensure all SCMs remain remain in good working order. If you'll excuse me, is isn't there something here about the nature of the ownership and and how much it will cost? >> You have to jump to the next page. 94 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:47.520 >> Okay, that's what I really want to focus on here. So, >> so you have an estimate that about $3,000 in expenses to be spread across three different properties because while it's one basin on lot two, it's really designed to absorb runoff from all three 95 00:25:47.520 --> 00:26:03.039 lots one, two, and three. >> Uh my concern here is the structure of this. I mean I I I don't understand how this will work where who collects the money, who assumes responsibility to seeing that money is actually applied to inspections, who submits the reports, 96 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:19.679 the annual reports to the town. How will this how will this work? >> The fund will be set up very similar as an HOA. As you know, all all three of these properties will have a shared septic or I'm sorry, sewer line. So 97 00:26:19.679 --> 00:26:34.400 there's going to be an escrow being set up just for that. >> So it would just be added on to the fund. >> Okay. So this whatever this this kind of fund is would address both the sewer and the storm water. That's correct. >> Right. >> And that would be cleared in all the 98 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:49.200 documents for closing for each of these units. These absolutely transparent. >> Yeah. We would we would just make it as a condition in R so that you know they're going to do it but we would just make it as a condition so that um when it gets recorded on the deed that it's 99 00:26:49.200 --> 00:27:05.679 in it's um referenced in the deed and whatever HOA they create is also referenced within our um decision >> and just is there a precedent for an HOA of three distinct ANRs? Is this is this it can be done? Okay. I just Yeah. I I I 100 00:27:05.679 --> 00:27:22.400 mean I've never run into it, but I'm sure there's definitely there's definitely um it's legal. >> I live in law. I've seen two before. >> You have seen two before? >> Yes. >> Like this? >> Yeah. >> Did you Did you visit the B any of the BMPs like a year or two later? And were 101 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:37.600 they actually >> Well, >> I mean I'm sorry. I know you're not responsible. So on that, you know, as part of our conditions, we we have the requirement that every October we receive um the inspection logs and the report of someone who's gone out there 102 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:54.960 to inspect it. So that would still be a requirement. And whatever, you know, gets built into the HOA that I'm assuming the the money to cover whoever is going to do the inspection, it's going to be input into part of an escrow account or something. So that 103 00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:11.039 that would also be a condition of ours. >> But who has the designated responsibility to see any of that the money is collected and distributed? I mean there has to be some human being saying every October or whatever who's responsible, right? >> Well, I I think that would be part of the HOA. >> Yeah, it has to be owner. Then as the 104 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:27.360 properties are sold, the HOA is established and then they take over operation. >> So it would be one I assume they would vote and choose which of the three homeowners would be responsible. Is that how it would work? >> It might be one trustee. It might be a trustee. They might all be a trustee. It 105 00:28:27.360 --> 00:28:42.480 kind of just depends on how they structure it. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm Nathan. >> Just to follow up on >> on the October submitt, >> which goes to Danny. >> Mhm. >> Presumably Danny. You look and see who 106 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:58.240 hasn't submitted and they get notices. So, there's going to be >> a closed loop. >> Yeah. So Heather has a list that she keeps of everyone that submits theirs and who hasn't submitted. So um yeah, there's a we run through that in October 107 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:14.720 >> and we'll know. >> Okay. >> And just a very quick clarification. Um I know the 30,000 number is, you know, quite alarming, but obviously this is a very is a rough estimate. Um typically 108 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:31.600 meant for commercial project. >> Yeah. For three residential dwellings, you're not going to see a whole lot of section being built up in there. If they want to pay somebody $3,000 to go in there with a hand shovel and a bucket, so be it. But you're probably looking at, you know, a landscaping guy just 109 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:46.480 digging it out real quick, putting back in loan, seated. That'll be the end of it. >> Yeah. So, 3,000 was being conservative. >> Conservative. I mean, you Okay, I got you. Yeah. I was wondering. Thank you. 110 00:29:46.480 --> 00:30:05.120 Okay. Any other questions on the O andM? >> Not that. No. >> Okay. I think uh we'll go through the comments. Is that response? >> You guys want to discuss the site plan? >> Any questions? >> So, can you Yeah. Start with that right there. Um so, it's incredibly evident 111 00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:22.159 that these buildings are literally sitting right on the setback lines, all three buildings. >> Yep. scope. Would we have a requirement in our approval that we get a certified asbuilt plan from the engineer so that 112 00:30:22.159 --> 00:30:37.600 we can find make sure that that does not cross any setback lines. >> We require that on all of our decisions, >> but this one is exceptionally difficult because it's so close. Typically, there's plenty of extra room around setbacks. >> Um, the other thing that's fascinating 113 00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:53.200 is that the building on the right, the rear of the building is actually the side setback. Now, that doesn't mean anything. It's loud that way, but it does create a situation that's a little bit odd. >> Yeah. So, it's not the rear of the building. It's the rear of the lot. 114 00:30:53.200 --> 00:31:09.520 >> Yeah. Exactly. And so, as a result, that's >> I see what your point is. >> It's a 15t requirement, I think, over there instead of a >> 25 ft requirement because it's not the back of the lot, it's the side of the lot. >> Correct. >> Interesting. So, a couple of other things that I saw in the field and um I 115 00:31:09.520 --> 00:31:26.720 think we're all hopeful that moving the sediment the basin will have an improvement for the butters. >> Okay. >> There's a tremendous amount of boulders on that slope >> going down to the budding lot. >> Would there be um would it be smart to 116 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:42.640 consider using reusing those boulders and rebuilding the stone wall between the two properties? So the wall is currently there between the two properties. We could actually use those boulders and create a nice barrier right along the property line. Now I don't 117 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:58.799 know if that's out of our jurisdiction or not. >> I mean so I believe there is a fence back there on that right along here right along this property line. >> It's mostly broken down rocks but there >> there's a fence. They have a back fence in backyard but >> they have a fence in backyard. I mean, 118 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:15.360 and the rock wall ends right here, shown up here. Um, and you can request it. >> I don't know. I I'll leave it up to when we get comment. That's we'll listen to the butter's comment on that. The other thought that I had was very interesting 119 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:31.200 and this has to do with the conservation restriction that's on the back. Okay. >> So, I was really mystified by the fact that it's so close being from another property. Mhm. >> Do we need some language in these deeds informing them of the fact that right 120 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:47.440 there there's a conservation restriction in their property is you know they have to be not stepping across that line. >> Not in these deeds. What we can do is I know we had talked in the field about adding additional monuments >> some sort of uh you know the additional 121 00:32:47.440 --> 00:33:02.880 signage that >> those boulders maybe you can run the b I don't know think about something. Yeah, I mean you >> some sort of monumentation that shows past this point is conservation restriction, >> but I would I I would want those the signage as well. >> Well, you need that. 122 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:17.519 >> Yeah, >> but you know, Panther Place, he took the boulders and created barriers so people understood otherwise they're just going to go right out there and I don't know if that is what we want. >> I mean, currently, as you know, when we were out there, it is being mowed down. I know. It's amazing. 123 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:32.960 >> I think I mean, I'll pull up Heather. I'll have Heather come up for this one. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> I don't know. >> So, Kenon, to to your question in regards to adding additional boulders, those aren't on the addition the the existing conservation restriction. We 124 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:48.720 cannot make changes to that. >> Okay. So, that's >> so we can do additional signage, but to put a boulder like rock wall there that wasn't on the additional that was on the original conservation restriction and to make those changes I think would be a >> a conflict and I don't know how we'd be legally allowed to do that. But the 125 00:33:48.720 --> 00:34:04.159 additional signs were in my was in my comments to have that in added in there with the additional lots. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um the only other last thing I had for um is the retention system is a little 126 00:34:04.159 --> 00:34:20.960 unique because it's basically we're taking basically just running runoff water to it except for the roof drains. Am I right about that? >> That's correct. So it's simply running towards that basin from the lots as and the whole lot's going to get regraded by 127 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:35.200 the looks of it. I mean machines everywhere. >> So the attempt is to use the slope of the lot to run it to the retention detention what are you calling it? Whatever >> infiltration >> infiltration basin and then take the 128 00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:51.839 roof drains which is the additional um impervious that's added to the site and pipe it to that. >> Yeah. So that's it. There's really no catch basins. There's no physical piping under the ground that we see on a commercial a commercial job or something like that. 129 00:34:51.839 --> 00:35:08.320 >> So it's a pretty simple system is what I'm getting at. >> And as we saw and as you mentioned, it wants to go that way anyway. Currently, that's where it's going. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's all I have. >> Okay, great. >> Kathleen, >> um I had a question about the size of 130 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:25.440 the single family versus the ADU. Yes. Yes. >> So, when you look at them on the map, like the building envelope is what what's the square footage on the single family? >> Uh, we have that right here. >> I was digging around for it and 131 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:40.960 >> I know we had it on here. Or did you guys take off the number off? >> I removed it because we didn't need anymore. >> Oh, okay. I So, I believe it was 18, 900, 1800, 900 plus the garage. was like 132 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:58.000 2200 right around there and the um ADU is under the is is I believe 900. >> Okay. And the ADU is not going None of these have basements, do they? >> The this the one on lock three does, 133 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:13.359 >> including the ADU. >> Not the ADU. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. So, that that that was just my question was on this plan it didn't have those. Yeah, they Yeah, they removed the numbers on this one, >> but he submit an architectural plan. You 134 00:36:13.359 --> 00:36:27.839 can see in the architectural architecture. >> I mean, we can pull up the architecture if you want to look at that. >> You want to look at the architectural plan? >> Where is that? >> It's it's in a separate file. >> Which one? >> Yeah. So, if you go to the actual application, 135 00:36:27.839 --> 00:36:45.520 it's in here. They included it as part of their application. >> The first >> Yeah. Um Yeah, cuz they didn't revise it. It's just loading. But yeah, so they have to they're required to comply with the with the 136 00:36:45.520 --> 00:37:16.000 state law, which is 900 or um half 50% of the the um single of the house. >> Mhm. >> It's a big file. Yeah, that's right. That's the very end. >> Yeah, there you go. 137 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:34.680 >> Okay, >> so this is the first floor. Um, this is the ADU on this side. >> Here's the um the actual single family house. >> And that's the second floor. And then yeah, there's no second. 138 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:50.960 >> So it's 24 by uh 24 by 36. Is that what it says? >> 38. >> 38. So 24 by 38. >> Uh just how does the So the ADU well always has to be a part of the that lot 139 00:37:50.960 --> 00:38:06.640 and is sold. Um can it be rented? I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is the question of how this ties into the HOA and paying for >> um the storm water. >> Yeah. So the ADU the way it works is 140 00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:23.920 their only rental. It can only be used as rentable space or if they want to use it as an in-law suite, you know, they can do that as well, but it can't be sold. It can't be used as a as a principal structure. Renting is done to 141 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:40.960 the owners of the single family and not >> the HOA. >> So ultimately it's the owners, the three owners that will be part of the HOA paying for the storm water and they could choose to pass on some of >> this cost presumably to their renters or 142 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:56.480 not. >> Yeah, they can include that might I mean they could include it as part of the rent. Oh, you have to pay this. I don't And that all gets included into the whatever escro account that gets handled by the HOA. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Nathan. 143 00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:12.880 >> Uh, just wanted to follow up on what Ken was saying about the back of the lot. The drawing does show and we talked about on the site visit that additional markers were going to be put in like every 50 feet. Um so there will be there will be marking put in on that property 144 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:30.119 line that is in addition to what is there today not necessarily monuments but there there will be more points finger bounds finger bounds in the sign that says you know CR area 145 00:39:30.560 --> 00:39:46.160 >> and then this uh I imagine this is outside your expertise um I mean It's an interesting application with single family homes and ADUs. Um, it's going to add, you know, six 146 00:39:46.160 --> 00:40:02.000 dwelling units to uh to this combined parcel. I'm curious. I'll probably just leave this question out there, which is when you go to purchase these homes, I I expect that they're going to be more 147 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:18.480 expensive than a single family, but the buyer may qualify for um it may help the buyer, the bank may recognize the asset of the rental property and make the home, make the 148 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:35.680 single family home more affordable to purchase. this >> possible. >> Potentially. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Potentially. >> Not really a question, >> an observation. >> I don't know if we I I mean like I I feel like this is something new as we're running into now. 149 00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:52.160 >> So I I mean I'm sure we'll start getting answers on that really pretty soon. >> So um >> one final go ahead. >> No, I was going to say move on to the next topic, but go ahead. >> So can you put the architectural up? So, this has to do with those that building 150 00:40:52.160 --> 00:41:08.400 on the right. There's never going to be an opportunity for anyone to put like a deck on those buildings or a walk out patio because they're basically within the setback and that would be considered a >> on which on this one >> on the one rate. >> Yeah. 151 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:25.280 >> Yeah. Yeah. No. And because they're not they I mean >> nothing they can do there. They >> that's within the setback and those are considered structures, right? So, back of that last building, the actually the garage and the building on the right. The one on the left has a 152 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:41.119 basement. >> Yeah. A walk out. >> This does not have any basement on the right. So, that's like a retaining wall. You're basically building a big retaining wall behind the garage, >> behind the house, >> which you're going to have. >> All right. Thank you. 153 00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:57.920 >> All right. Anything further on this? So on to the waivers or to the review of uh do we need should we review the um >> I think we can go to the comments. We can do the waivers you know after that. >> Okay. So if we go to the comments you want if you bring that up. 154 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:13.839 >> Yeah. Um are there any specific ones you guys want to go through? Um or do you kind of want to I don't know if you want to run through every one of them. >> No, I don't think that's necessary. >> Got a pretty good list of respons. I think that when I look at the so I'm looking at the comment uh conservation 155 00:42:13.839 --> 00:42:29.200 basically said well there's no wetland here um and just requested additional signage for the CR nothing from the fire and then we've just been talking about the we've been talking about the trees for the previous uh 20 minutes >> yep they've addressed all my comments 156 00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:48.480 >> and then uh we could talk about the phototrics plan when we go to the waiver uh river request >> uh we talked about the on andm construction entrance erosion controls. Okay. Department of Public Works. >> It was an important thing that the 157 00:42:48.480 --> 00:43:05.319 testing was done too that he he didn't mention that. >> Yep. The testing was done. >> Okay. Now, Danny, you have any comments about the uh about the the the private sewer line? There's a little weirdness there, but it's not >> I don't know. I mean, um I believe 158 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:21.520 so. I I would probably ask Matt on that one. I mean, I don't know if they're they have to you guys are going to have to extend the easement for the town, right? On that one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, they're going to have to there's going to be an easement plan that they're going to have to provide. Oh, no, wait. They did it as part of the ANR plan actually. >> Yeah. It's under 159 00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:37.440 >> it's going to be a separate um disability connection application through DPW. And so, it's a different review process. >> Um, >> but it is but the easement was shown on the um ANR plan. It's shown on here, but it's shown on the ANR plan. So, all 160 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:54.720 they'll need to do is create the actual deed >> for the easement >> on that one. Mr. Chair, >> yes. Yes, sir. >> It sounds like there's a question, an open question about the capacity of the open of the sewer line. 161 00:43:54.720 --> 00:44:10.960 Is that something that's going to create be a condition in the findings in the in the in the in the >> I will I'll ask Matt to come up and speak about that if he can >> if it's inadequate I'll just 162 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:24.720 >> make a general comment if that's all right >> if um >> just be louder thanks >> yeah certainly um the the existing pipe that's there right now it is a 6-in PVC with a 1% slope under TR16 16 design 163 00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:41.440 guide a 6-in pipe PVC at 1% slope rule of thumb is that it's sufficient to handle 360 gallon per minute or half a million gallon per day. So unless we're you know 20 plus developments then it 164 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:58.400 might be a problem. Okay. Um you know similarly I I trust that the agreement for this private private sewer line um should have something established that you know if something goes wrong obviously the cost of fixing it will be split amongst the users. 165 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:14.079 >> Yeah. >> So Matt on that on that comment >> regarding the the slope and the capacity um how do you on that >> yeah I agree with what um I don't think it's an issue. My point was really since the town doesn't own the pipe, we 166 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:30.000 haven't inspected it. So, we can't really say it's in pristine condition or maybe there is an issue. Likely not >> that there's an issue, but I just want to make sure you're aware. >> Would you would you like it to be cameraed? >> Um, we can't. 167 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:46.800 >> It's going to be private. >> It's It's private. So, public works can't like mandate that, but we'd recommend it. I think it's a >> a cost effective uh just way to verify That's good. Okay. >> Excuse me. Yes. So, under the comments 168 00:45:46.800 --> 00:46:04.560 that Matt made, I think the language is perfect for the decision. Just the town of Air makes no guarantee that this privately owned sew can adequately service the additional flows of the proposed development. It just goes right. >> Yeah. >> We can make that as as part of one of the findings. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. Good. 169 00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:18.880 Any other questions or comments regarding Yes, sir. uh storm water since this is no longer being waved while Matt's here. >> Um has the new storm water management plan been reviewed? 170 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:35.680 >> Yes, I I did review the the revised storm water today and um I think everything was addressed satisfactory. Okay. >> Um I don't have any big picture um concerns or questions. >> But I did have the the ownership 171 00:46:35.680 --> 00:46:50.880 question. And I'm glad that was discussed with the base and I think that's that was my biggest remaining question. So I'm glad that was cleared up. >> Okay, great. >> Thank you, Matt. >> Oh, thank you. >> Much appreciated. Okay. Um, is there 172 00:46:50.880 --> 00:47:05.680 anything else we should discuss before we move to the waiver requests? >> No. >> So, the first waiver request is for um to to wave the requirement for a traffic input statement. Uh the only question I have there is this for the construction three single 173 00:47:05.680 --> 00:47:21.200 family dwelling units. Well, it's three single family dwelling units and three ADUs which could be six families. And that doesn't necessarily trigger anything for me, but I wanted to ask, do you feel comfortable just six families? Is it is it is it is a traffic analysis needed adding six families on that road? 174 00:47:21.200 --> 00:47:37.280 >> No, I I I don't believe so. Um the location of that um lot the the the three lots is on a you know uh there's clear sight on both sides. There's no real um issue with the with intersection 175 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:53.040 you know pulling out in there. Um there's no line of sight issues. Um it's only it's really probably only going to be you know at most six cars. I I that's I don't think that's enough of an impact to warrant a traffic impact. Yeah, 176 00:47:53.040 --> 00:48:09.040 that's the way I feel, too. What do the rest of you feel about that? >> Yeah, I vote to wave it. >> Yeah. Uh, I I'll take a I'll take a motion. >> Okay. So, I'll make a motion that the air planning board wave the site plan 177 00:48:09.040 --> 00:48:26.079 review regulation regarding vehicle traffic impact statement section 4.E.2. >> Thank you. Do I have a second? >> Seconded. >> Excellent. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken, how do you vote? >> I. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, 178 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:42.000 >> hi. >> Julie, >> yes. >> And chair votes I. So, we'll we'll wave the vehicular traffic impact statement. Uh, the second one is the outdoor lighting the phototric plan. And, uh, what I'm going to read here, uh, request to wave the requirement for a phototric plan since the proposed development is for single family uh, dwellings with 179 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:57.920 common egress light fixtures. And are those egress light fixtures shown on the plan? >> They're not. >> Do they need to be mounted on? >> They don't. >> Yeah. We don't typically require that. >> Yeah. Um I don't see an issue with this is but I I want to hear from my 180 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:17.920 colleagues. >> Um there the egress light is that covered by just a standard building inspection. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if it's if it's >> okay inspected by them. >> It just would be like a low 181 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:36.079 >> height fixture for like a light. >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, sometimes like you see those small little 5 foot 6T little light posts, something like that. >> Okay. Um, any comments? I think we, you know, it's 182 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:52.480 because it basically single family dwelling units. It doesn't even apply, >> right? Not really. No. >> Um, so I'll make a motion to to wave the photo plan uh requirement section 4.G.2. >> Second. 183 00:49:52.480 --> 00:50:08.559 >> Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie? >> Yes. >> Chair both eye. So, the photoometric plan is waved. And then the third is uh is regarding the local stormwater management waiver request and the comment is request to wave the 184 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:23.359 requirement for the project to grant the town of air stormwater management easement easement for the on-site stormwater management systems. The proposed on-site storm water management system shall be the responsibility of the owner of the property in perpetuity. It will not require an access easement 185 00:50:23.359 --> 00:50:38.640 to perform inspections or maintenance. And this is one we typically we typically get on private developments unless it's a subdivision then that's where we >> Exactly. Right. Exactly. >> Again, because we're not just to repeat, 186 00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:54.800 we're not waving the storm water >> Yeah. >> solution. We're just waving the town's deed access. >> Correct. >> To to get to inspect it. >> That is absolutely right. Thank you. >> Anything else? Can I have a motion? Move that we wave the storm water 187 00:50:54.800 --> 00:51:15.119 management easement section 210.b1. >> I'll second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. Great. >> So that's it for the waiverss, right? >> Yep. So I think now we can open up to 188 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:30.960 public comment for regarding the site plan thems >> public comment on 64. >> Yes, please come up. Remember we're limiting comment to 3 minutes. >> Yes. Um >> and if you would if you'll say your name 189 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:45.760 and and your street address. Thank you. >> Um Rebecca Jones and we're at 66 little >> Hello Miss Jones. Welcome. >> Um quick question. hopefully not my three minutes. Um, is there a mechanism outside of the meeting 190 00:51:45.760 --> 00:52:03.359 where I can work with the applicants just to pass questions back and forth or to discuss a few things that really probably aren't good for the board for these meetings like just to get a better understanding of certain things or 191 00:52:03.359 --> 00:52:20.800 >> I'm not sure if there's a mechanism in place but I would would recommend just reaching out to Mr. Tadigan directly. Okay. All right. >> Just have a conversation. You know, I think one of the item that was brought up by Mr. Disc makes a lot of sense about the amount of boulders around 192 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:36.240 sight. >> Oh, yeah. What you think of that? >> It's um good and bad. Um in that there's far more than you real I mean they go deep. >> They're very >> really deep. Um, and 193 00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:52.880 on one hand I love the idea, but on the other hand, as somebody who's extremely snake phobic and they love boulders and rock walls, um, not not my favorite thing, but you know, there's a way. Right now, I I 194 00:52:52.880 --> 00:53:08.480 wanted to run out and warn you all that it's Groundhog whole city in there. That's that's groundhog condos >> under there. So, >> so this is kind of bringing to my point of I I much rather, >> you know, the abing owner just reaching 195 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:24.559 out to the applicant themselves, working out. I don't want to impose something >> between, you know, two single family dwellings. Doesn't make sense to do so. If somebody has a different preference, it's just strange. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, >> Danny, that's acceptable. >> Yeah. Okay. 196 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:40.000 >> Okay. I wanted to make sure. I didn't want to >> do something that would violate open meetings or whatever. always. So, you are not subject to the open meeting law. >> The the board is subject to the open meeting. So, you're welcome to reach out to the applicant and have a discussion 197 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:57.200 about that. That'll be told to us, you know, after the fact >> and then we can incorporate that if it's necessary. Um, but yeah, so it it's it's okay for you to contact them. >> Okay. Um, I do love what was done with this. I I think it's a a great way to 198 00:53:57.200 --> 00:54:11.280 work it. I do realize, you know, eventually the water will still flow, but it will flow further back from us. >> Yes, it will. >> Um and go and stay more in the back. >> Yes, it will. >> Where the natural flow is. Um so that's 199 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:27.520 great. Um a question that I did have um was in the area to be cleared. Um, as you might have noticed on your sidewalk, there's a couple of really tall pines, those wonderful things that 200 00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:43.760 like to come down in storms. Are how much because you were saying you adjusted the area to be cleared and moved it. There was some mention of 8 ft there. Um, it's hard for me to visualize how 201 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:59.359 far that is from the property line that won't be cleared. I don't know if you could maybe >> Yeah. So, prior to construction, they would lay out the erosion controls and silt fence so that we can go out there 202 00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:15.119 and see. You'll be able to tell exactly where the line is of where they're clearing and you'll be able to visualize it right away. >> Okay? Because honestly, I would love if they're going to clear, take those pines because we've already had some come down and, you know, might as well eliminate 203 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:31.280 the hazard for their new building as well as ours. >> Again, preference item. I'd like to >> But I know Danny likes his trees, so >> Yes. >> No, but I understand. Right. I mean, everything's within reason, >> right? Right. 204 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:48.160 >> Okay. Um, and then trying to think if there was anything else. I do like the idea. I mean, I doesn't affect us quite so much at for the O andM plan. Um, we actually have experience in Littleton 205 00:55:48.160 --> 00:56:03.520 having been in a similar plan with five dwellings and it worked. >> Good. >> It it was set up just as you described and that's it worked. It's what we did. Um, 206 00:56:03.520 --> 00:56:20.720 that's really all I can come up with, you know, for major, but I must say this is a a huge improvement for us from our standing. Um, >> okay. >> And I feel much better about it. Um, 207 00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:36.000 and just then wondering if >> you have any target, if you know that there's a target to actually start something once it gets through the whole board. >> Um, I I can't say for certain. Um, I know that the existing dwelling right 208 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:50.960 now has uh somebody's repping it. So, I'm not sure what agreement they have to come to to kind of make things happen. >> She was told to be out within two months. >> We can't. >> All right. Um and then oh and 209 00:56:50.960 --> 00:57:08.000 >> said one thing um one last thing I don't know if it's too early to ask this but when it comes time to demo the structures that are currently there um just have some questions about that because they are old and wondering if there's any process there is a whole 210 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:23.280 process so that's a future meeting that'll go through the building department >> ah okay so that would be something we talked to them about Okay. >> Just with asbestos and lead. >> There's a requirement for asbestous removal. They have to determine where it 211 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:40.319 goes. So, it all gets there's all gets handled. >> Beautiful. Okay. >> Beautiful. We're happy. >> Great. Thank you, Miss Jones. >> All right. Thank you. >> Is there anyone in the else in the room who has comment or questions? >> Okay. Hearing none, we could turn to 212 00:57:40.319 --> 00:57:55.920 online. Pauline, >> good evening. I will be really quick with this. I'm a little mystified by the ADU component of this project. So, I'll ask a general question. Anyone, any 213 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:13.119 developer, myself included, if I come forward with an ADU project, I can rent it to anyone and earn income? >> Yes, that's the new state law. >> Well, it's interesting. I don't remember that when we approved it at time town 214 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:30.240 time town meeting Danny but I appreciate that easy answer and that is really my only question. I don't think the residents understand that but we'll just leave that at that. >> Okay, >> you all have a good night >> too. Any other f further comment? Okay, 215 00:58:30.240 --> 00:58:46.079 hearing none. I think we we've got Oh, I'm sorry, Kathleen. >> I did just want to clarify though that I I believe the state law does say that it cannot be a shortterm rental. Yes, that is correct. >> So, it cannot be like an Airbnb or something. >> That is correct. >> I just wanted to clarify that to to 216 00:58:46.079 --> 00:59:03.040 Pauline's point. >> Okay, great. I think we need a motion for continuence. Now, this the same issue with with Can you do that? What? May 5th, >> Mr. Chair Colleen Santis back up. I think returned back up. >> Sorry. Follow-up question. 217 00:59:03.040 --> 00:59:18.319 >> So, define short-term rental. >> Well, we can't do that. Um the the state law has a um has a definition in there that states what short-term rental is. I'm not going to tell you exactly what the definition is cuz I off the top of my head I don't know. But the state law 218 00:59:18.319 --> 00:59:34.480 has an actual uh definition. >> Fair enough. But I would expect it to be at least 6 to 12 months. >> We don't know. >> I off the top of my head I can't answer that. >> All right. Well, that's unfortunate. Um I will leave it at that. 219 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:49.680 >> Thank you. Okay. >> Where where are we? I'm sorry. >> Um Yes. So, does that the May 5th date work for you? >> I just want to clarify something. Um the the May 5th is for the sign decision or >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, I would what what I 220 00:59:49.680 --> 01:00:05.119 would do is I would get a decision done. Um, first is I'll have an answer hopefully by tomorrow whether or not you know how we're handling this if we can continue if we can continue to continue continue it to 221 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:21.119 um the next meeting. But I think we're we're set on having that meeting the May 5th meeting. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So I'll have a decision for you by uh by by Friday. >> May no problem. >> All right. Thank you. >> Great. 222 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:35.760 >> All right. >> All right. So, we need uh So, oh, I need that motion to continue. It's the May 5th. >> Yes. >> Um I'd like to make a motion to continue the o the open public hearing for 64 Littleton Road to our next special meeting on May 5th. >> Second. >> I have a second. Any further discussion? 223 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:51.119 Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. It is continued. Uh I'm going to call a brief 5m minute recess and then we'll resume with uh open to open seven the Park Street application. 224 01:00:51.119 --> 01:01:07.359 We are resuming the April 28th, 2026 Airplan Board meeting. And we have um I need a uh a motion to open. Well, I'll make a motion. I make a motion to open the public hearing for site plan review for 225 01:01:07.359 --> 01:01:23.359 713 and 15 Park Street Air Family Pharmacy, map 26, parcel 102, 103, and 104. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Any discussion hearing? None. Ken >> I >> Kathleen >> yes >> Nathan >> I 226 01:01:23.359 --> 01:01:38.240 >> Julie >> yes >> and the chair votes eye the uh the public hearing is open how do we begin all right so this is an application for the um the addition of a 227 01:01:38.240 --> 01:01:53.920 parking lot on an uh um next to the air pharmacy so the air family pharmacy they currently have a parking lot on this side they acquired this parcel and are adding additional parking spaces because it has more than five parking spaces. It 228 01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:10.480 triggers a site plan review. Thank you. >> And um yes, so that's why they're here. So I'll turn it over to Brandon and let him kind of go through. >> Hi Brandon. >> Good evening. How are you? >> Maybe give you a name and uh >> uh Brandon Duchart with David E. Ross on behalf of Air Pharmacy. 229 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:28.079 >> And as as Danny mentioned, uh currently Air Pharmacy has been there for a number of years. It's located at 13 Park Street. They've got an existing parking lot on the north side of the building that has uh nine parking spaces which has proven uh insufficient for for their 230 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:44.559 needs and uh >> because they're amazing >> which is great news. Yes, we're very happy about that. >> At that point uh they purchased the property located on the southern southernly side which is seven Park Street with the intent to create uh additional parking to facilitate their 231 01:02:44.559 --> 01:03:01.280 current use. Um, 7 Park Street was formally developed with a a car dealership that was there. So, as you look at the site, it's presently um paved throughout. There's a portion in the back of the lot now that is been 232 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:16.960 covered with top soil and lawn, but there's imperous pavement below. Um, so part of this process is it's it's essentially a redevelopment pro uh project where we're actually proposing to reduce the overall impervious area on 233 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:34.079 the site. Um, as you can see, there's there's several uh constraints with the size and shape of the property. And essentially what we've done is we've tried to, you know, do the best that we can to u adequately provide parking um 234 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:50.640 to to uh enhance the the current property. So the way it is now is the entire frontage of 7 Park Street is open to Park Street to the road there. Um, you know, one of the objectives was to 235 01:03:50.640 --> 01:04:06.319 reduce that to a single curb cut. And with that, we proposed a 24 foot wide two-way opening. So, it'll be an ingress and an egress in one location centrally located in the parking lot. Um, we've 236 01:04:06.319 --> 01:04:23.839 provided for 10 additional spots. Um, as I mentioned, there was nine on the north side of the building. on the south side presently on the portion that they do own there's a dumpster located there and there's uh currently that's where the employees have been parking. So you know 237 01:04:23.839 --> 01:04:40.799 >> part of this redevelopment is to provide more formal parking for their employees as well. Uh so with that we have 10 spaces, eight of which would be for uh the retail and customers and then we've shown all the way to the right side of the page there as you can see this we've 238 01:04:40.799 --> 01:04:57.119 shown two employee parking spaces. Um we've worked with the DPW just to um provide ADA sidewalk along the front of that road. It does a couple of things. Obviously, it provides access that 239 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:13.440 currently isn't there uh with curbs and sidewalks as well as it defines the limits of that um the parking area and essentially creates that um that one access point in the middle. Um, as I 240 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:28.799 said, we're reducing the overall impervious, but we've also uh provided uh a leeching catch basin that's located in the lower left hand part of the the parking lot. Um, the site will be regraded. Currently, everything kind of 241 01:05:28.799 --> 01:05:46.720 sheds towards Park Street. Um the park new parking lot will be graded to um contain that runoff within the site down to a low area in the corner where the leeching catch basin will recharge that there. Uh we've relocated the existing 242 01:05:46.720 --> 01:06:04.319 dumpster. Again, we kind of centrally located it just opposite the um the access there just to allow for uh easier removal of that um >> yeah for the truck to get in and out. Yes. Yeah. Uh we in addition to the 243 01:06:04.319 --> 01:06:18.799 sidewalk across the frontage, we've added a a sidewalk um from the side of the parking lot that connects to the existing access way into the building just to increase just maneuverability throughout the site. Um through these 244 01:06:18.799 --> 01:06:34.960 plans, we've provided um some planting locations. We've shown snow storage and kind of address some of those things. Um the new dumpster location will be screened with fencing where presently it's just kind of open in the side 245 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:51.119 there. Um I know we've received a number of comments um that we can discuss tonight. I have talked to the owners about that, but um like to open up to any questions. >> I I I'll start with one. >> Yep. 246 01:06:51.119 --> 01:07:06.319 >> I'm not familiar with the leeching basin. This is the first time I've seen one. Could you explain what it is and how it works? >> Yeah, so basically we we went out we did soil testing on site to evaluate what there was for existing soil. >> It's um well drained sands and gravels 247 01:07:06.319 --> 01:07:21.920 with a with a deep water table. So what that allows us to do is it's essentially a perforated concrete structure. It's it's circular. >> The catch basin sits on the top. All the all the drainage goes into that void space created by the dry well and then 248 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:39.039 that's surrounded by crushed stone. So essentially it just captures and infiltrates it. >> And then what's the what's the maintenance look like on that? >> So really there's a we provide for a 3-in sump in the bottom. So any kind of um silter debris, you know, over time 249 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:54.000 could accumulate in there. Um so periodically you'd have to remove that cover and vac that out. It sells extended operating procedure. >> Yeah, that's a that that was one of my questions was operation maintenance and I I believe they have one for the 250 01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:10.480 existing parking lot. Maybe not. I'm not sure. That was one of my questions. And if this was going to be incorporated into that >> Yeah. So, I I I talked to the owners who are here. Um they don't have a formalized operation maintenance plan for the current system that went in. Um, 251 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:26.159 so we've obviously included the maintenance and operation for this unit. >> Oh, you have? Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There it's on there's on this plan. There's an actual operation and maintenance. >> Oh, okay. Good. Good. >> So, it was the drainage report, but then Yeah. I also like to just put them on a plan, which is basically the same thing. 252 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:42.319 It's just so it's kind of duplicate. >> Oh, there it is. I'm sorry. Indeed. >> Yeah. So, the question I mean, my question was, is this going to be incorporated into the other one? And I wasn't sure if they had another one. So, that that answers my question. Doesn't that does that have like a rain garden on that side though? 253 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:58.799 >> There's there's a rain garden that goes to a subsurface leeching system. Okay. >> So, um my only my only comment is that um so what we have is a a bifurcated split parking situation, which is fine. The only uh the only thing that I can 254 01:08:58.799 --> 01:09:14.719 see as an issue is that uh people approaching won't necessarily know where the ADA parking spaces are, which side they're on. I was wondering if it is if it's appropriate for some kind of signage up front so someone coming in would know if they're ADA they know to go to the left side as opposed to the right 255 01:09:14.719 --> 01:09:30.159 >> is that >> that's a that's a good point. Um you know one of the other discussion items is just been parking is kind of a premium in the area. You know some kind of signage also maybe just to designate that it is for private parking. That's a good idea. So so maybe we could incorporate both that as well as 256 01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:49.359 indicating that ADA access would be at the second entrance. >> I'd love that. Thank you >> colleagues. >> So there's a lot of requirements for waiverss here. >> Yep. >> Because this isn't anywhere close to you 257 01:09:49.359 --> 01:10:06.080 know the requirements that we have. >> Correct. I don't know if Jonathan knows that or anyone knows that the for instance the parking space we're supposed to have buffer from parking to lot lines and >> y >> he mentions in his request that the one 258 01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:22.880 parking space is 6.5 ft the one on the left and then >> goes down to 1.8. >> But you don't mention the one in the front which is right next to the lot line. the one on the low of the right that's right on the lot line. 259 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:38.400 >> I think the the waiver that you I I believe you're referring to is is the offset from the is the building and the parking. >> Yeah, maybe that's one. that there's an 8ft requirement >> between the parking and the building. >> And then there's >> we can apply on ours, but where the 260 01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:54.320 existing parking garage is behind the site, >> uh based on where that parking falls is, that's where we're less than the 8 ft. >> Yeah. And then there's also the qu, you know, the the question of, you know, parking in front of the building, 261 01:10:54.320 --> 01:11:10.000 >> right? To park in front of the building. >> The parking in front of the building. So, you know, uh we had an in prior to this, we prior to the um submission, we had an internal meeting um with the applicant uh to kind of go through which kind of waiverss they would need because 262 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:28.159 we knew how unique and small of a lot this is. This is a very >> oddly shaped lot. The the constraints of this lot is very very unique. Um and so we kind of went through them to see what 263 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:45.440 it was just to antic what we would need to anticipate. Um and uh you know for so I have reviewed all these pri um already and in my opinion um I think these are um these waiverss are you know 264 01:11:45.440 --> 01:12:00.960 >> um okay >> because of the uniqueness of this lot um because of the constraints and because this lot really can't be used for almost anything else. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to step on you, but that's what I was thinking too is 265 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:15.920 that this is certainly an improvement over what's there now. >> Yeah, the benefits outweigh the, you know, the the impacts on this. >> I would agree. So, >> your opinion. >> My opinion. That's only my opinion. >> Okay. Thank And when we talk about a budding 266 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:30.880 building wall, right, I think of it in terms of we would normally be thinking of a building that's not an additional parking structure, but we're talking parking to parking and I think >> right 267 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:48.400 so if if I can you know one one of the challenges with this is obviously it's the width of the lot from front to back >> and there's some of the circulation on the existing parking lot isn't ideal, you know, just with with turning movements and access 268 01:12:48.400 --> 01:13:03.040 for that. >> Yep. >> So, at a minimum, we want to provide a 22t wide access and turning area. >> And then when you add on the parking space requirement of a 9 by18, it it pretty much wipes out the width of the 269 01:13:03.040 --> 01:13:19.760 lot. Now, part of this is we're proposing the sidewalk which essentially would be working with the town because that's within the rightway. >> Exactly. >> There. So, um you know, again, as in terms of another improvement, you know, 270 01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:38.640 that benefits both our site as well as an off-site improvement for just anybody going down the road. >> Okay. So basically there's there's no visual barrier between the paved street and the paved lot because we have a sidewalk and there's nothing there. It's 271 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:58.560 just all paving. >> Mhm. >> Um very similar to the lot across the street, >> the municipal lot. >> Yeah. >> Where's the where's the detail on the rain garden show? Is it just that dotted spot over there? >> No, there's no rain guarding on this 272 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:19.760 side. The rain garden is >> Oh, excuse me. In front of the building on the other side. Yeah. Right. That's existing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, the person the very last space on the left, a person goes in, gets into that spot, 273 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:36.239 it's going to have to they back straight down and then turn out to the right. I guess that's they're not going to back out. They're going to come straight back. So that distance is 22 ft. >> Is that another waiver? We typically have a 24 foot distance between rows of 274 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:52.239 parking or 22. I don't know. See the distance is only 22 ft to back out and turn come out. >> Um >> but if it's a new park with parking on both sides, there's a 24 foot >> distance requirement between spaces. 275 01:14:52.239 --> 01:15:08.960 >> I think it's only a I think less than 20 cuz we went up to the 22. I want to say it's either 18 or 20 in the bylaw. >> I think it's 22. >> There's there's certain standards. It depends on how many parking spaces there are. There's there's a there's a lot that goes into it. So, it's not a just a 276 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:23.920 straight up 24. >> So, you're basically asking us to make considerations for the waiver based on the typical unusual use of the shape of the lot and so forth. Yeah. And what you know and typically does you know does 277 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:40.400 the benefit outweigh the negative as well as what does it what good is it for the town >> right and they have to delineate that in their request. Yes. Have they done that or are they just listing the waiverss? >> Um so they have a listener um 278 01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:58.280 >> they've listed them but I don't see that there's a narrative. >> I mean these are the narrative that that they're saying. These are their justifications. Pistol >> shut. Okay. All right. So, we're going to find all sides by landscape, which that's not. 279 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:18.400 Okay. So, I have one question that'll go back to the owner and this is outside the site plan review process. So, bear with me for just a second. If you had any discussion with the town to give away to the town a section of 280 01:16:18.400 --> 01:16:39.760 that point shown on the very end of the plan where there's a landscape tree, thereby giving the town a legitimate distance for them to get to the parking garage. That point right there. Has anyone probably ever talked to them about that while we have this going? Not 281 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:56.320 that I'm aware of. Okay, this came up. We did the parking garage. The fact that there was a difficult access from Park Street to the parking garage because of this wedge of land sticking out that the remnants of an old railroad track or something. So, I would encourage a discussion between 282 01:16:56.320 --> 01:17:10.560 the town and the owner to try to get that wedge to the town and end that problem. I know it's not part of this, but I'm just bringing it up on the side. So, thank you for that. Um, I know this. 283 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:26.719 I'll have to take a look at the stuff. >> Okay, Nath. Oh, go ahead, >> Kathleen. >> Um, I had two two small questions. One was, um, how are deliveries currently done to the property? Are they done 284 01:17:26.719 --> 01:17:42.880 during the time that customers are going to be parking there? Cuz kind of looking at the site um, as it exists today, it uh, I guess I'm just wondering like if you have a truck that is you know dropping off 285 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:57.840 >> whatever the the goods the medicine etc. Where is the intent that they park or is that that like you know this is not going to happen during pharmacy hours? >> Sure. Um yeah you guys want >> Yes. Um we have two wholesalers deliver 286 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:14.960 daily. Um again distribute a lot of medication. >> They're very fast. >> She needs to come up. >> I'm sorry. You got to come up. Thank you. >> Yeah. Just so that they can hear you on the on the microphone. That's okay. And just introduce yourself. >> Okay. Yes. Tracy Ezio, owner of the Air 287 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:30.960 Family Pharmacy. There >> you go. Have a seat. You can have a seat. Thank you. >> And I'm Louis. >> Yeah, he's he's behind me here. >> Engineering. >> We got a chair right behind you. >> Thank you. >> Um so deliveries every day because we go 288 01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:47.360 through a lot of medication for a lot of, you know, sick people. They come in, they empty their dozen totes of medication probably in 15 minutes. So there's, you know, so it's maybe two 10 or 15 minutes. They've been entering on the other side. We do have a back door 289 01:18:47.360 --> 01:19:02.480 in the building. >> Oh, like they're like they're like vans. They're not big trucks. >> No, it's this side of the building and there's another door. So they actually are able to go in and enter behind in unload out very quickly. And they had 290 01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:18.640 their own place for the door. >> And these are back. What types of vehicles? Like small. >> Not too bad. Like little tiny wheelers. >> No. They're vans. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Prescription bottles don't take up too much space. Although under pads do, but 291 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:34.480 not bad. Not bad. >> Okay. Uh, thank you. That's >> okay. Sure. >> Yes. >> Mentioning the trade. I don't We would My husband is excited. >> I'd like to talk to you about trade for that. or I mean >> there's your guy 292 01:19:34.480 --> 01:19:52.080 >> Tommy. I only come up with ideas. >> I can show you what I'm thinking of here. >> Yeah. He's just going to wait. >> He's going to show something. >> Oh, that'll cut this piece off and put it 293 01:19:52.080 --> 01:20:08.000 over here. Correct. >> Tra, >> right? That's exactly correct. We can we can um I can reach out to um um the town manager and put them in contact with you and >> No, no, we 294 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:23.920 Exactly. Uh thank you. No, we appreciate that. I want to just say thank you to the town for supporting us after all the you know the medicine shop was here. You didn't let a CVS come in and we've known a lot of the people and and it's been 295 01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:40.560 exciting. No, I I like even though I live in Prolle, we've become very involved with air and the people and the schools and this and that. So, thanks for your support. Definitely. And it's a nice problem that you know people coming in and you know those people that go in 296 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:55.920 and out. It's, you know, it's so important the elderly people that can't, you know, we do deliver which is wonderful and that's helped a lot, but you know, the actual traffic when that parking lot is full and it's hard to get into and hard to get out of, of course, 297 01:20:55.920 --> 01:21:11.120 on the Park Street. So, for that reason, that's why we're here. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, and then there was just a second question about the the snow storage specifically. So that Cape Cod BM is 298 01:21:11.120 --> 01:21:26.880 going to go all the way around. >> Correct. >> And so you're going to not be able to you're going to have to kind of like lift the snow up onto the grass. Is that >> Yes. >> Okay. It >> I don't know like if there's a different 299 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:41.360 >> The way it works is they're going to push it and then they they're just going to lift it. I mean there's going to be >> it's going to get chipped, but they can repair it if they need to. It's it it happens with all Cape Cod BMS. >> Yeah, I 300 01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:58.880 >> it is a sloped drivable burm, so but so it it is a little easier on the plows, but >> Okay. >> Okay. So, thank you. You good? >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. >> Nathan, um few things. One is the waiverss. Uh, 301 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:15.520 I'm pretty sure I've read this, but just for clarity, section 9 parking does say that the planning board does have the legal ability to entertain waiverss. >> Yes. So, legally, we can look at these. Just want to underline that. The other is um 302 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:32.560 on the parking lot. I can see in the detail that against the sidewalk against Park Street, there's like a 6 in. The parking lot is 6 in below the sidewalk. So when the cars are backing up, they can't they get the rear over the 303 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:48.080 sidewalk, but they can't hop up on to this there there's going to be a curb. >> Mhm. >> So it it will contain the cars when they're when they're doing your mention the turnaround. >> Mhm. But on the can you um Brandon, can 304 01:22:48.080 --> 01:23:03.360 you give me a little detail on how that transition goes from the parking lot to the sidewalk adjacent to the building? Is that flush? >> So again, it that'll be um essentially a burm that goes up to the sidewalk. So 305 01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:19.679 also it it's a 6 in BM step up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> They're very similar, not the exact same as what's in the front. >> Okay. Yes, >> uh on that exact topic, there's a telephone pole right there. >> Um 306 01:23:19.679 --> 01:23:34.159 >> right here. >> Yeah, >> over there. >> Should there be any like extra little guard rail or something so that if you're backing out of those spots or doing any sort of backup configuration 307 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:50.960 that you're not hitting that utility pole? I I I don't know. It's just kind of an idea of like maybe there's some barrier so that we can prevent someone from backing into it. >> Sure. I mean, the simple answer is, you 308 01:23:50.960 --> 01:24:06.480 know, we talked about the Cape Cod, which is the slope burn, which is around the back. So, it's going to be a vertical curbing at that sidewalk, which >> you should really be able to drive up. >> Say you can't, but >> yeah. Yeah, the vertical curbing should definitely 309 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:21.440 >> it should >> prevent that. You can't I mean you can't put a ballard there or anything to prevent it because now you're impeding you know sidewalk the sidewalk vision. There's there's multiple things. >> So I think the vertical granite uh is is 310 01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:37.120 it vertical granite? >> We had granite on the outside for plowing and then puminous on the inside. >> Okay. Yeah. So I think that that should help prevent it. >> And then is there one final? Go ahead. 311 01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:54.239 Um, in the land is there are trees identified tree type it says sizes but do you have specific trees? >> That was a question I I asked on my comments too. >> Okay. Yep. So that was one of the comments and I and I talked to the Ezios. Um they're going to work with the 312 01:24:54.239 --> 01:25:09.760 local landscape. They've agreed to do 100% native species and um they'll identify a list of those acceptable plantings that can be installed. >> Perfect. Great. >> So, yes. Yes. K. 313 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:25.920 >> So, because the sidewalk you're proposing is off the property that's on that's still the town's right away there. It's not there's nothing to do with the state there because we're inside the >> still >> state is further down >> further up, right? >> And 314 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:41.440 so the reason I presume that you ended the sidewalk at the end of the property line is because that just makes perfect sense. Does it make sense for that sidewalk to be extended further or is that beyond what we should ask at this time? >> Um, 315 01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:57.679 >> so that it connects to like the next >> so >> in front of the town's land is >> I don't want to get too ahead, but there we're we're currently in discussions internally at some grants to potentially >> okay >> look at uh Park Street for sidewalks and stuff like that. 316 01:25:57.679 --> 01:26:12.320 >> Okay. >> So, but this your well your comments included this sidewalk to be concrete, right? and not the black top. Was that one of your comments? >> It may it may have been a DPW comment. >> It was a DPW comment. >> DPW suggested concrete. So, we figured 317 01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:28.320 we'd discuss that. >> So, you're discussing that. It hasn't been determined. >> Yeah. They haven't they haven't responded to anything yet. So, I don't know if I mean I don't want to get too ahead until you had a chance to really >> Yeah. So, we're not going to go over the comments today. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you haven't had a 318 01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:42.400 chance. >> All right. We we've gone we've gone through them and I I've talked to the owners. I mean really, >> you know, part of the reason why we chose the the puminous sidewalk was it was consistent with across the street and some of the abuing properties and 319 01:26:42.400 --> 01:26:58.080 the only other concern would be just concrete and salt. Um but again the Ezios are not opposed to doing either. So, you know, but I believe the reason it was requested for concrete, I believe, is because 3 to five Park 320 01:26:58.080 --> 01:27:14.639 Street is also going to be concrete. And in the future, we're looking at extending the sidewalk on Park Street and that would be also concrete, >> right? >> And I I figured probably and again, there's been preliminary discussions about extending that and 321 01:27:14.639 --> 01:27:31.040 >> you know, potentially working working out or negotiating that that. So the only my one then I'm done. So the last question is the sidewalk on the end of this parking lot. It looks like you provided a sidewalk that then turns into the existing uh 322 01:27:31.040 --> 01:27:46.480 >> steps to the building or whatever is there. >> Yeah. This is where the rain garden is, I believe, right? >> Yep. Yep. >> You can see that granite curb. >> Yeah. Rain garden. That that kind of that's the border edge of that rain garden. 323 01:27:46.480 --> 01:28:01.920 >> Right. >> All right. I'm good. Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Anything else? >> Any other questions? So, Danny, what else can we do here tonight? >> Open the public comments. >> That's because we're not going to we're not going to discuss the waiverss tonight. >> No. Okay. Any other comments? Okay, 324 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:17.679 great. So, I will open this up for public comment. Uh, starting with the room. Any questions or concerns in the room? None. Anyone online? Zoom. >> I >> I don't see any. >> I don't see anybody. 325 01:28:17.679 --> 01:28:33.280 >> All right. Then I a motion to continue. >> So this one can be continued to the May 26th meeting. >> Uh I will make a motion that we continue the open public hearing for 713 and 15 Park Street Air Family Pharmacy to our 326 01:28:33.280 --> 01:28:49.440 next air planning board meeting on uh May 24th. >> May 26th. >> May 26th. >> Second. >> I have a second. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. How do you vote? Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. Yes, >> Nathan. >> Hi, >> Julie. 327 01:28:49.440 --> 01:29:11.120 >> Yes, >> chair votes. I see you may. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Have a good night. >> You too. >> Oh, do we have anything else? >> Sorry, I couldn't I couldn't help it. So, uh, next item is to, uh, open up a 328 01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:30.000 new public hearing. Um, do you want to do the honors given? >> Yeah, I thought just all the work you put in. I thought you might want to have the honor, sir. >> Okay. I'll make a motion that we open the public hearing for the project senior center project off B F B F B F B 329 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:45.840 F B F B F B F B F B F B Fisher Road map 25 23. The application includes site plan review, storm water management permit. That's it. >> Do I have a second? >> Seconded. Any any uh further comment hearing? None. Ken, how do you vote? 330 01:29:45.840 --> 01:30:02.400 >> I uh Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie? >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. We have opened the hearing and we have a representatives. If you'll come up and introduce yourself, sir. >> Sure. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members of the 331 01:30:02.400 --> 01:30:21.520 board. Uh my name is Jim Develis. I'm a professional civil engineer with Develis Serene. >> You don't need to do that. >> Sorry. Habit. >> I know. It's okay. They work really good. >> We have a seat for Dan. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Thank you. 332 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:37.760 >> Okay. So, we have Sure. Jim Develis, professional civil engineer with Develis Green, civil engineering, landscape architect working for the town. >> Welcome, Jim. And you sir, John Catlin, the architect for the project. >> Welcome, John. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Damian, public works director for 333 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:53.199 the town of Air. >> Thank you. And should we make mention he's an authorized could you >> Dan is um has the authorization from the town manager's office to be the uh signature on this project and to represent the town. >> Okay. Excellent. And so can you tell us 334 01:30:53.199 --> 01:31:09.360 what we can uh what we can start with this evening where we're going? >> Yes. Um so the application was submitted for site plan review and for uh storm water management permit. Um the uh it has gone through the inter 335 01:31:09.360 --> 01:31:25.280 departmental review. Uh comments were uh sent over to um the uh the uh town's um engineers um as well as the architects so that um they have all the review comments. Um they have not had a chance 336 01:31:25.280 --> 01:31:42.320 to respond to those yet. Um but so for this meeting I think would be initial presentation any comments and questions and then uh continue to the next meeting. >> Sounds perfect. Um I'll turn it to whoever wants to lead the narrative. >> Sure. Okay. 337 01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:56.239 >> Thank you, Jim. >> Yeah. Thank you. Um so I I for this application there's a full set of site plans and a full drainage report and there's a color rendering. Um I brought a pointer but it loses it on the TV. It might be easier if I walk up there and 338 01:31:56.239 --> 01:32:16.320 just >> warned them ahead of time. The laser disappears on the TV. Yeah. >> Okay. So, what this square represents is a 3acre parcel that the town had um authorized to to break off uh state property on this side uh the military 339 01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:32.960 and then remaining town property on that side. Right. >> So, Bishop Road or Zero McFerson is the is the address of this. So, three acres. U I'll just walk you through the like bird's eye view looking down and then if there's questions I can bring up the site plan. So, starting from the top the 340 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:49.280 entrance uh well starting here. This is the senior center. You enter the site in this direction and there's a drop off here. You can drop off or you can park and it's circular counterclockwise and you exit off back off to Bishop. So, uh 341 01:32:49.280 --> 01:33:06.400 we thought that was appropriate for the senior center. Um it's it's the drives are fully 24 foot wide but they are one way. Uh the exception is these are 18 feet intentionally with bit larger radius for coming in and uh coming in and going out and we put them at 18 ft 342 01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:23.760 so it doesn't look large that it's a two-way and and it's all signed one way. We also put um arrows on the parking lot. So what you see in the lighter color are the parking spaces. They are 9 by 18 and a half. So, a little larger uh for the seniors. Uh there's 10 there's 343 01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:41.360 103 total parking spaces which is more than required by code. Um here are the handicapped accessible. There's six here and then there's four here. So, I'll go around counterclockwise and talk about the different amenities here. This rectangle here is the septic system. So, 344 01:33:41.360 --> 01:33:56.880 it's an underground title 5 compliant septic system. Totally uh board of health under 10,000 gallons. So there's no DP. We did soil testing uh or the time did the soil testing in this area. All good sand, gravel, um great depths 345 01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:12.960 to to water table. So we don't expect any issues with this. Uh submitted it to the board. We're working with the board of health right now for that approval. >> Excuse me. >> Do we need a secondary site for this septic? Like is it with residential or >> this is the primary and then you can't really see it on the rendering, but this 346 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:27.840 is >> Oh, there it is. Right next area. Thank you. Uh as you come around these big areas here, um the site slopes from uh from high to low, from south is down here. It goes south to north. Uh this area is 347 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:43.600 sloping at a at a 2:1 slope. This area and this area is undisturbed. So that represents existing woods. >> There's another area here that's existing. Didn't show up in the rendering, but that area, this area, and this area we're not touching. As you come around, here's the building. people 348 01:34:43.600 --> 01:35:00.719 would park, walk along the sidewalks in this color. Uh there's crosswalks here, here, all accessible curbing. The front entrance to the building is here. You can walk around the building. There's a outside patio, all handicapped accessible hardscape. Um and we've done 349 01:35:00.719 --> 01:35:16.400 this in many places where it's just a nice sitting area. Um and it's with the sun coming around this way, you get full exposure in the back. So it's it's really nice. As you come around here, these this this these are kind of utilities underground propane. This is a 350 01:35:16.400 --> 01:35:33.120 generator. This is a transformer. This is an outside area for uh we didn't want to put the units on the roof. So, it's all enclosed here, the mechanical uh chilling units. Um as you come around here to uh outside pickle ball courts, 351 01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:48.400 and I've got to say I played pickle ball for my first time this weekend hiding them. >> I thought they were >> And you didn't break anything. I did and I actually guarantee this will be used tremendously. Um and then as you come in this area, we screened here because this 352 01:35:48.400 --> 01:36:04.800 is uh right now what's happening here is the DP DPW is using it for stockpiling. That's right. >> Assuming it's going to go on that side. We wanted to put uh pine trees to to buffer it. This rectangle here is a retention basin. So we did testing 353 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:22.880 there. Sands, gravels. Uh we designed it a little uh shallower and wider because there is a turtle um discussion that the right now turtles go across the site. So all of these curbs are sloped granite. So if the turtle wants to traverse uh we 354 01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:39.360 met with we had meetings early with the with the state people and they said they don't fence things off. They want the turtles to just flow. So a turtle can actually walk all across the parking over these curves into the basin and out of the basin. Three to one slopes. the rooftop, all of the pavement uh being 355 01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:56.239 collected by pipes going into the basin. And this is designed for the hundredyear storm and it only goes up a couple feet and it drains down immediately. Typically, we would make it smaller and then let stuff out um to match, but zero is going out of this because there's no 356 01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:13.840 drainage on Bishop. So, we didn't want to even though this is going there now, we just captured it so you don't have an issue later. Um, we're not asking for any variances with setbacks, building height, parking spaces. Uh, there are a couple variances that um off hand 357 01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:30.159 I'm sorry, waivers. Uh, but but it fully complies and it's um, you know, just meets the needs of the senior population and I got to say it's been a tremendous uh, process working with there. We've had staff meetings and you guys have done a lot of work that most towns leave 358 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:44.880 it at the consultants, but you've stepped up and really worked hard on this. So, appreciate that. Uh, I don't really talk too much about the building, but John, if you want to talk a little bit about the building or >> watch out, you let our architect start talking. You're going to be here. I will 359 01:37:44.880 --> 01:38:01.360 say a couple quick things. One is we're going to train the seniors to avoid running over the turtles. >> It's not easy to do that. Um what's unique, just a little background, we've designed about 50 of these. Um not 360 01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:22.480 always in Massachusetts, around the country. Um and uh and as Jen said, this committee has been really good to work with. Um the idea of a senior center is safety and what Jim, we have one way in. 361 01:38:22.480 --> 01:38:38.639 >> I like that. And we have one way out. Um, no, I'm gonna be 80, so I have to say this, but seniors tend to do bumper car stuff, you know. So, our parking spaces are 9 ft wide, but we also have double lines. Yeah. 362 01:38:38.639 --> 01:38:54.639 >> So, you can really see where you're putting your car. I I have a lot of great photographs, which I won't bore you with, of seniors parking all over the place, but not between lines. So, we make it really obvious for that. Jim also mentioned that we have 363 01:38:54.639 --> 01:39:11.920 very clear arrows on the on the pavement showing where to go, but there's also all this signage. We have one way in. We have stop signs telling people where to stop. Handicap accessibility is critical. So, we locate the handicap parking adjacent to the building. I 364 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:27.520 don't have to walk across the parking lot with my walker. We helped with a wheelchair. We also have what we call a drop off area. And oops, did I do that? >> No, that was me. >> I touched it. Touch screen. Um, we have 365 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:43.360 a drop off area because for some elders it takes 5 10 minutes to get out of the car and get situated. And we allow enough room there for multiple cars to line up and you can still go by all. There's ballers 366 01:39:43.360 --> 01:39:58.000 all along here. And we have a zero curve. So the ballard stop the cars from hitting the building. And the zero curve allows people with walkers and wheelchairs to access the building. Nice. Um coming into the building, we 367 01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:14.320 bring out a a canopy that's to the edge. We generally don't go over. A lot of people say, "Why did you do prochure?" Um they tend to knock the columns down. Um seriously, >> they do. It it really it really I in 368 01:40:14.320 --> 01:40:29.520 fact all of our lighting dark sky lighting >> uh will have full photometrics on it. All our lighting is sitting on 24 in diameter concrete bases that are 30 in high because I've been to senior centers 369 01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:44.239 where they don't have that. You can see the light poles laying down along the side of the parking area. Um and it's a common problem. So it's safety. We want it easy to come in, safe to park. So 370 01:40:44.239 --> 01:41:00.159 now I know Dan would like to take off these wings, but part of the wings is that what happens is elders will come around the corner, they'll cut the corner. >> If I have a curve there with a little bit of low landscaping, we don't cut the 371 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:16.719 corner. Um I I always like to tell a little story about North Andover. The old senior center used to be behind town hall and there's a large parking space down there area and um no curbing, no any none of the staff at Town Hall will 372 01:41:16.719 --> 01:41:34.719 put their cars in that lot >> because they get damaged. And at one time the police and PPW had to lift a car off the top of another car >> cuz they drove up over the car. It's we want it safe and very very visually easy 373 01:41:34.719 --> 01:41:51.760 to find your way around. Um the pickle ball courts um they have really become popular. Um we our first one was in Lexington, Kentucky about maybe 10 years ago and I think we did one recently in Long Meadow where we have four outdoor 374 01:41:51.760 --> 01:42:07.520 and three indoor courts. So they're they're everywhere and um as Jim will say they're pretty popular. We do have this is part of the um budgeting, but we have a walk area so people can do 375 01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:22.239 outdoor walking all the way around the building. And Katie will figure out how far that is so people know how many times you have to go around and get a mile under the belt. and and um uh 376 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:39.520 oh yeah along this area we got comments from police about um um protecting. So we have we have our charging stations along here. Um the state want we have two that are part of the base but the 377 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:55.520 future is to expand the 12 units. It's part of the state requirements and um they're put in with ballards and that protects this area here. Uh we have a big large ballards along here and uh the 378 01:42:55.520 --> 01:43:12.639 building is two stories and um all of the program area except for the art is on the south side of the building where the light comes in and light is really really important for healthy aging. Um, I spent a lot of time 379 01:43:12.639 --> 01:43:29.679 outside. I want to make sure I stay healthy. So, that's part of that process. Plus, we have outdoor patios. We have an outdoor we have a cafe here. So, we have outside seating for a cafe as well as inside. And what's really unique about that is that some people 380 01:43:29.679 --> 01:43:46.960 will come by the senior center, meet with friends, have a cup of coffee, and not go into a program. Others will come early for a program. And that's part of that process because there's three key issues that these centers do. Nutrition, eating properly. As we get 381 01:43:46.960 --> 01:44:02.320 older, we get a little bit lax about how we feed ourselves. If we lose a spouse, we might not be preparing the meals we should be. The center helps with that. Two, socialization, which is key. Number one, we want to get seniors out of their 382 01:44:02.320 --> 01:44:18.880 homes and into this facility. And it'll be amazing. Um, how many people do you see now, Katie, at your center? >> I don't know. >> Uh, we served about 600 last year. >> Yeah. How many a day maybe? >> Oh, a day like uh 30 or 383 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:36.560 >> Yeah. You'll get triple more than triple that year. It's automatic that you get anywhere from three to five times the number of seniors participating, which is really in your town. I think what what are we 30 35 pushing 40% elders 384 01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:54.480 over 60 that is that might shock some of you if you're 60 you're kind of elder but that's what we're all about and then the last of the three items nutrition socialization the third one is um uh 385 01:44:54.480 --> 01:45:10.320 physical workout and we have a full fit fitness facility in this and Um, it's really interesting. I've been doing this now for about 40 years. 40 years ago, nobody ever thought about fitness. 386 01:45:10.320 --> 01:45:25.440 Nobody thought about pickle ball. No, nobody thought about even the nutrition was kind of like it's it was like it reminds me of my school lunch when I was grade school. We're so much better now understanding 387 01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:41.440 what it means to be properly uh taken care of. So, that's a little You've all been here a long time, so I'm going to shut up. But if you have any questions, we have outside patios for sitting out in the sun in the good 388 01:45:41.440 --> 01:45:56.560 weather, uh, which is sometimes happens in New England. Um, it's a beautiful site. It's one of the nicest sites that we've worked on. And although we don't have a lot of neighbors right now, you never know 389 01:45:56.560 --> 01:46:13.360 whether you're filled down the road. Uh, and I think there are some really good points brought up. I know that Dan had a number. I we've answered them, but we've not given it to you yet, but um I think all of this is will show up and get resolved in the process and I thank you 390 01:46:13.360 --> 01:46:29.280 for your time. >> Hey John, >> beat me up too. >> I'll ask I want to ask a question. Uh you I know you successfully answer addressed this in the narrative, but just for the record, if you could explain why the parking is in front of the building. >> Yeah. as opposed to 391 01:46:29.280 --> 01:46:46.719 >> we looked at a number of sites. Okay. >> And um >> I often get this question. >> Yeah. >> The building's oriented north south. This the south side of the building gets 392 01:46:46.719 --> 01:47:02.719 the light and we can sit outside for about rather than just 3 months of the year. you can sit out there and enjoy the patios much longer because you're in the south side of the building. The north side is the darker side and it's a 393 01:47:02.719 --> 01:47:19.760 side that is not as amanable to this kind of user group. And um and the other reason for that is cuz we want to see where we're going. And if I put the building up here, you have to drive around the building to get to where 394 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:35.760 you're going to go. We want that parking to be really easy. So, north side because of the sight orientation, clear visual connection to the parking lot. And it's like we used to design the 395 01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:51.600 super stop and shops when they converted from little little stores to big stores. And one of the things we learned was they got so big that we had to have two doors because nobody walks more than 360 ft to buy your food. So you you you 396 01:47:51.600 --> 01:48:09.600 shorten the walk by creating two doors in a 100,000 square foot building so that people if I come in and it's too far to go I'll go somewhere else they're not >> we want to make this as accessible. So we we have we categorize our seniors as 397 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:24.880 no goers got a wheelchair slowgoers walkers or a cane and goers who still are running like Ken does. And um so the go-goers can park out farther. We make sure that the slowgoers or low goers 398 01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:41.520 have easy access to the building without crossing. And that's kind of the whole idea of the design. Also, by having these vertical access down, you can walk safely to the building because it's critical. 399 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:57.199 Seniors don't pay close. I'm sorry to be so hard on this old. I'm a senior. >> I know. That's why I'm saying this, you know. Um, we want to make sure that people are able to access the building safely and 400 01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:12.880 walking on a raised walk where the cars can stop here and not go across the walk, you have a safe way of getting into the building. And it's critical. And um and you can probably guess I I 401 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:30.400 have a 3-hour lecture that I give on designing senior centers for for uh directors and I give it at the NCOA, the Mass Council on Aging. And I I guess my time is up. But any questions or anything, I'd be happy to answer. 402 01:49:30.400 --> 01:49:44.480 >> I want to thank you. >> It's going to be a fabulous building. >> Yeah, that was >> not because of the architect. Well, I want to thank you for a very thorough uh presentation. I appreciate that. >> Um colleagues, 403 01:49:44.480 --> 01:50:01.600 you have questions. Kathleen, >> is there a bike uh >> racks? Yes, >> bike racks. >> Yeah, there are actually um >> I'm not sure yet where we have them. I have them on our main one. The bike 404 01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:19.119 racks are um there's three of them that you can do two bikes on each and um I've brought a I brought the entire working draw instead just >> but we do have those. Yes. And and also 405 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:34.639 um uh believe it or not, I don't know, they're somewhere around here. And if they're not, I'll make sure they're there, but we do have three sets of them. And they'll be on a concrete pad. >> I don't see them there, but they are 406 01:50:34.639 --> 01:50:51.440 there. We have I have a We can park six pipes. >> Go ahead, Katie. You want to make a comment on >> So they they were on >> Well, come on up, Katie. Yeah. And just introduce yourself. >> Sure. Katie Petroski, senior center director. Um, they're not on this page, 407 01:50:51.440 --> 01:51:07.520 but they are in the detail drawings. >> Okay. >> Um, I'm not sure which page they're on. They're >> You can see where they go into I don't think I have them on my civil set. >> Oh, you don't have >> Yeah, I'll I'll add those on. >> Okay. They are in the detail. >> They're round circle ones. >> Okay. 408 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:22.239 >> Where are they? >> Part of the proposal. Go ahead if you want. was the the request to submit the full set of architectural plans for an early review by the building inspector. It turns out there's a portion of the architectural plans that does cover the 409 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:39.520 site. There's five or six pages in there of site details within the architectural set and in that section it details things. >> I won't show you them very >> there are details. >> There are 150 drawings, >> right? >> And u it'll be there. I'll make sure 410 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:55.040 they go down there. >> Okay. Yeah. My question was I didn't see them and I didn't see the waiver. >> I had the comment, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh >> oh. >> Should I sit down? >> Of course. >> So, there's no need for a waiver cuz 411 01:51:55.040 --> 01:52:10.000 there's going to be blacks, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's easy. >> There there was two comments that came up. We just got the comments yesterday and within the week, but um if I can get the board's um input on this one was to 412 01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:27.840 put a guard rail along >> this retain. >> Actually, you want to go to the rendering or the landscape >> right? >> Yeah. Put a guardrail along here, >> which we didn't do one. I don't I don't 413 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:43.920 think it's needed because we've got a 6 in curve and it's such a it's a 3:1 slope. So 3T one 3T one and >> very shallow >> very shallow and it'll get on 3 ft. >> We wanted to use this for snow storage on the side and then um so unless the 414 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:59.199 board has an overlying need for the guardrail need it. >> So I I don't think that was my comment that may have been Matt's >> might have been Matt. >> Matt. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that that was Max. But and in terms of the snow storage, we don't 415 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:15.599 typically like to have snow storage next um pushed into a detention basin. >> We'll be short of that. It's a fairly wide band. >> Yeah. But it's probably about 15 ft. This is the edge of the base that we have. >> Oh, okay. Okay. So I was just taking up the volume. 416 01:53:15.599 --> 01:53:30.960 >> Okay. I was just looking at the the actual grading. So that's and I was assuming that that was included. So you're it's just the dark green. That's there is contaminants in the snow or salt or cups. I would rather go into the basin >> because it that's what you've got a 417 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:46.560 diversion here that collect this is a stone wall that keeps it in that one area. And there's um I know this was for a storm water >> management permit also drainage permit but the operation and maintenance addresses all that. And the other question was um the rendering doesn't 418 01:53:46.560 --> 01:54:02.239 show this area here is untouched and and in the regulations if the parking um one in so many spaces you need a buffer. Yeah. >> The same thing here. This is a slope >> down and we wanted to use this for snow 419 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:20.800 storage and then buffering a slope that is higher than the lot. Plus on the military I'd rather use the trees someplace else. So that we didn't we intentionally didn't add it at there. >> We also there was an issue of crosswalks too. Our crosswalks are um they're going 420 01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:36.800 to be um they're delineated as it's it's going to be stamped asphalt uh painted in a brick color. >> Oh, okay. >> So that they're very distinctive. And you can see how they this comes across through the U island here where the drop 421 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:52.800 off. There's one here and this goes to to the area at the handicap parking where there's uh separated between the cars and that's off stamped but and painted. >> I understand the concern though because 422 01:54:52.800 --> 01:55:09.679 that rendering shows more than is on the submitted plans. Jim, >> the rendering >> that rendering indicates more of the sidewalks or crosswalks I should say than the drawings that were submitted. I think that's why the comment came up. >> That wasn't my comments. I don't know. 423 01:55:09.679 --> 01:55:26.080 >> I think it was Matt. But the point is that >> Yeah, they're not on those. Yeah, we they didn't We'll add them on. >> They are They are on >> They need to be added. >> They're on that master. >> Yeah, they're not on this one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you go back, they're shown on here. >> Here they are on the layout. >> Here they are. 424 01:55:26.080 --> 01:55:43.119 >> And and um and those will be staffed in the brick pad. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. But it's not really clear what >> Yeah. There's no like mark there's no hatching or anything on it. That's why. >> Yeah, we didn't we didn't stripe it paint because it's not going to be painted and we can do a better job 425 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:59.040 showing that. >> Yeah. And maybe you just call it as a detail. >> Yeah. >> Our architectural drawings have that also. >> And by the way, you know, if you go to um Long Meadow um it's not the same uh is 426 01:55:59.040 --> 01:56:14.960 not a good example. It's a very different lot. We don't have walkways. It's a we share a lot with the town hall and uh it's not as formalized as this but Long metal is or North Andover is 427 01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:31.199 which is not too far that way. Um what else? >> Could you tell us a little bit about deliveries? How deliveries get in and out of the building? >> All right. This is the uh >> this is the drop off area right here. 428 01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:47.679 deliveries hopefully are scheduled not when the seniors are active in the building. Uh usually they're done in the morning or in the evening. Same with trash pickup. And um it occurs this is the kitchen is on this side. The uh the 429 01:56:47.679 --> 01:57:02.400 um uh the pantry and the service entrance is here. And this is a reserved area for the truck to pull into and uh drop off. And we don't recommend full size semiis. Um, but this is designed 430 01:57:02.400 --> 01:57:18.320 for the fire department's radius terms. We we we've done a test run uh on on our CAD drawings to show how we can access in in the building for for the fire department. And and the lighting, if I didn't 431 01:57:18.320 --> 01:57:34.639 already mention it, we'll be we'll have a full photometric, but it's all dark sky. They're all LED. And um uh certainly it's a big change from 40 years ago when we just did these big round 432 01:57:34.639 --> 01:57:50.000 >> and I was guilty we did that but then we didn't have dark sky lighting. >> Correct. >> Um >> and John one comment was um show a dumpster enclosure but we know >> and and I I want to discuss that further with the committee as to how that could be done. We're not big fans of 433 01:57:50.000 --> 01:58:06.639 dumpsters. Um I noticed that one of your previous people had a dumpster. What happens is that you put in a closure around it and and about five years later it's all beaten to crap and a lot of the stuff has fallen out and it's kind of collected inside that. We usually recommend these very large rolling 434 01:58:06.639 --> 01:58:24.239 containers that are picked up and dumped and you you need about and it should be because there's food involved. You want to you want to make sure your pickups are at least every 3 or 4 days for food items. Um, we we do have I'm not sure 435 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:39.679 yet whether the kitchen because it's a septic system, we have a a large outside grease trap and inside grease trap to help filter all that out. But when you start really grinding up, you know, if you're feeding 50 people a day, there's a lot of food, so we'd like to see it 436 01:58:39.679 --> 01:58:57.760 get into these containers. And then it I don't know about you, but I just had a bear last night take down my feeders. So they're all over the place. >> I had a bear in my backyard. Where would these rolling where would they be? >> Well, we we have a an area here right by the service area that's fenced in for um 437 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:15.920 for the HVAC system. It's oversized and they be kept there. And also we have a very large pantry, although we may end up with a walk-in refrigeration unit eventually, but we have enough room in there for keeping two or three of them inside. They're these 360 gallon and 438 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:31.360 they have a bar on them and when they come to pick them up they and it's much more contained but it's it it's got to go through the committee. >> I understood. >> Yeah. And and also maybe the way the town does their pickups too. I was just going to say I can attest I've worked in 439 01:59:31.360 --> 01:59:48.159 senior I can attest I've worked in senior centers that have had both dumpsters and four or five of what we would call a modern-day residential pickup bin and as an employee it's far easier to use the smaller ones than to use the dumpster. 440 01:59:48.159 --> 02:00:04.800 >> Yeah. People have to walk out in the dead of winter to wherever the dumpster is and get, you know, throw a big container in. These roll out with rollers and it's and and by the way a lot of the work is done in the senior center by volunteer seniors and um it's much more manageable but it's the 441 02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:22.639 committee has not yet approved that approach. >> I would prefer to avoid >> I think that was a DPW comment >> or maybe a board of health comment. I can't remember. >> Yeah. Um I I actually read through paid 442 02:00:22.639 --> 02:00:39.360 attention to your stuff. So I'm going to look here. Um mentioned the crosswalks. Um we have we're if we hadn't shown it there we have we'll have the curve radi shown called out. Um and because these 443 02:00:39.360 --> 02:00:56.800 curves we're because of the turtle we're going to be sloping almost all of them. We always slope the ones that you have to drive around because we take the tires out. It's not an uncommon thing. So, we always make sure that's protected. Um, 444 02:00:56.800 --> 02:01:12.960 we do have a senior center sign. There's some costs we're talking about how that will be dealt with out in the front of the building. And, um, mentioned trash management. We do have one-way markings. There's a question 445 02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:28.560 about that. We have oneway signs, we have stop signs, and we have arrows on the parking area. Um, and providing cleanouts for sewer services. He's answered yes. >> Yeah, all the comments that we got about 446 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:42.960 inverts and >> yeah, >> minor and we'll figure that all out. Um um label size and materials that do domestic um uh uh water and fire 447 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:59.920 service. Um I could leave this for you. It's 100 It's 90% um constru uh specifications for all that listed here. >> Okay. Yeah, >> I think the question was HD. >> And I'll be honest, you know, I let Matt take the lead on this. the town engineer 448 02:01:59.920 --> 02:02:15.199 because I'm on the committee and I've kind of provided comments already. I wanted him to see with a fresh set of eyes from DPW perspective and >> those are good points. >> Um these things we will yeah >> address as part of the um >> the only one comment that is probably 449 02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:30.800 going to be a change on the design rather than just adding information. Right now we're showing one water line coming from Bishop. >> Yeah. >> It's not on Bishop yet, but when it comes it'll be one line and then we break off >> split it out the building. >> Yeah. But you're asking for one fire 450 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:46.719 line and one domestic line. So that'll be >> all the way from the street. That's kind of a big >> We can talk. Yeah, we can talk outside today >> on that. That's our standard. That's the way we talk. >> Yeah. >> And and we can deal we can certainly do 451 02:02:46.719 --> 02:03:02.480 that. And then we don't get involved with relocating the fence the gate. Uh I think somebody else is having a relocation of the gate. >> It was brought up. How's that? How were you? I can speak over that town meeting last night too. The um 452 02:03:02.480 --> 02:03:18.800 >> so yeah, we've worked with Devons, so the the building committee um and US Fish and Wildlife and got approval and and agreement with Devons to move it about 200 ft west of the existing um brush I call the brush dump gate, the 453 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:34.639 access to the brush dump. So that that's the the McFersonson Road gate that's currently near the cemetery will get moved all the way down to there. So there will always be access to the site. Um, and right now I'm working with Mass Development and we have a agreed to plan 454 02:03:34.639 --> 02:03:50.239 to do that. And it includes signage up at Park and Bishop. >> And if somebody wanders down there, you have a turnaround, too. >> Yes. And if it's a firet truck vehicle, >> they turn around. >> Yeah. >> And um, an offsite traffic signage I 455 02:03:50.239 --> 02:04:09.159 think is a kind of a DPW thing that you could work, you know. I'm not sure what >> kind of police chief. >> Yeah. >> No, that's on your list. But but now um I do have the police comments and I just want to just touch him briefly here. 456 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:25.840 Um he gave us >> I saw him over there. >> Yeah. I tried to be nice to because I have to leave town. I have to get out. Um, first off, I said thank you for your comments. Yeah, that's always positive. 457 02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:42.880 Um, we do have at the at the building there's some concern and it's there's reasonable at the at the pickle ball courts. We're going to be having the Chargers and um and uh there will be some ballers with those because if 458 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:59.119 people run into them otherwise that protects the pickle ball courts and there's also a curve there. >> Where are those? cuz those aren't on the plants. >> Yeah, they are on the >> Well, they're on the electrical plants. >> They're on the electrical pl we'll add them to the site. >> Yeah. And I have them on this set if you want. 459 02:04:59.119 --> 02:05:14.320 >> They weren't available. >> Yeah, they weren't on that. And it's it's a good question, too. Um, also, all of the handicap parking spaces have a sign saying handicap, and it sits on a 6-in concrete poly. So it stops them 460 02:05:14.320 --> 02:05:29.520 from there because some of those handicaps uh are zero curving and um >> or the wheel stops also. >> We have wheel stops there. Um uh >> well we've seen that we've all seen the news stories that wheel stops don't stop cars buildings. 461 02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:45.440 >> Oh yeah. Oh no no I have a building where they we had a >> lot of talk. We've had a lot of talk tonight about crashing into things tonight and kind of joking about it but it's no joke. Oh, no, no. I >> we should be we should be seriously thinking about cars impacting accidentally with other cars and 462 02:05:45.440 --> 02:06:01.440 especially people >> that are >> that's why we're creating a lot of the safety stuff. >> The one thing I I'll mention, we have a car that um ended up in the multi-purpose room. >> No, I I know 5 foot sidewalk and a sixoot landscaping and right through. 463 02:06:01.440 --> 02:06:17.599 >> So, yeah, that's why we schools have a lot of trouble with that, too. Um, and then uh you're you're absolutely right. The nice thing about this street, Bishop Road, I call it Bishop Road, is it's very straight in 464 02:06:17.599 --> 02:06:33.119 front of the center. And we're going to make sure that the line of sight, seniors need, I always like to say if you're turning into a building and oncoming traffic, an elder needs 45 to 50 seconds more to make the decision to 465 02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:49.920 make that turn than a normal driver. And we want to make sure that our line of sights are really good. Fortunately, it's not a busy road. It stops at one end. >> And just to be clear about my bullet point number three, that is it's not really about the frontage here, but I think it's something that as the 466 02:06:49.920 --> 02:07:06.400 committee and everybody starts thinking about this, it's the intersections that feed this road. So >> Route 2A Park Street which is a very busy road especially during some times uh you know I think that we really need to understand what is happening there 467 02:07:06.400 --> 02:07:22.560 and the same thing with the four-way intersection at West. >> One thing we often recommend is a what we did in Peterbr at a difficult site is that we have a a yellow light that blinks when there's oncoming traffic. We also have a light 468 02:07:22.560 --> 02:07:39.119 that indicates that this is an intersection. That is a concern. Um I don't usually recommend um traffic lighting system because it's wildly expensive, but you can certainly >> we would we wouldn't we would be nowhere 469 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:55.280 near close to meeting the >> I'm just putting this on this radar that if we need to we we need to think about it now that at a very bare minimum we need to know what the impact is of those intersections. What I really like is a yellow light that blinks at at a at an important intersection because it warns 470 02:07:55.280 --> 02:08:11.280 people >> that this is something you have to be concerned >> and yeah so so just to build on what the chief said >> this was brought up to them at the meeting the pre-application meeting I did mention that you know Matt and I that was one of our concerns too was 471 02:08:11.280 --> 02:08:27.679 definitely the intersection that of how that's going to function with the increase of seniors driving to this area. Um, so it's definitely something that we have we have raised as well. So, no, I I think that the road is sitting on turning in and out. I think that's 472 02:08:27.679 --> 02:08:47.119 going to be a very easy non-negotiable inact Bishop Road Park Street area. That's that's exactly where our concern was. >> Yeah, that's >> Now, I wrote the um the very the very weak architect's take on traffic. I want 473 02:08:47.119 --> 02:09:02.719 to read the points that I was wanted to make because this is kind of it's not your typical 100 park place uh space parking lot where everybody comes at once and everybody leaves at once. Um the center is generally runs I I made 474 02:09:02.719 --> 02:09:18.719 this up 9 to 4 that might be 8:30 to 4:30. Um parking capacity as mentioned earlier is 1033 spaces including ADA spaces which are 10 um exceeds the normal requirements. Activity occurs 475 02:09:18.719 --> 02:09:34.320 over the entire time the center is open. So depending upon programming, folks arrive at different times and the lot is usually only full in the early afternoon as people kind of all get there and then they all filter back out again. Um, 476 02:09:34.320 --> 02:09:51.040 planned events where there's a large gathering occurring on a planned basis usually occurs maybe a couple times a month and it might be in the evening. Um, weekend events may occur sporadically, but there also may be weekend opportunities for the town to 477 02:09:51.040 --> 02:10:08.079 use the center for other um um um things that might happen. Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, whatever. Um, we don't expect excessive traffic over a short time period except for the planned 478 02:10:08.079 --> 02:10:25.840 events where there might be a suare at night where we all get together and dance or something. So, >> I don't think Taling approves suarees here. >> Well, I can tell you my center down in Tallahassee 3:00 is martini time. 479 02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:42.400 >> Awesome. >> And they serve martinis from 3 to 4. That's what he wants to do. That's what it know. >> Why is there more accidents? >> So, move on. >> All right. 480 02:10:42.400 --> 02:10:57.679 >> So, I'm sorry. >> No, that's that's fine. So, I think uh it's getting late and we int I think uh one of the things I'm very pleased about the presentation is that every design decision is back with a with something reasonable with a a practical actionable 481 02:10:57.679 --> 02:11:12.159 reason and and that's very impressive. I I think it's I'm very pleased just as a way of saying I'm very pleased with the thought that's gone into this. It really is shows. So, thank you. Well, as the chief has stated, there are there are accidents and safety 482 02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:28.239 is a big part of this and we've been working on these things for many years and we've learned a lot from our our user groups, our our our police and fire about safety and um and the town's 483 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:45.760 liability of not providing those safety elements is is critical. >> Yes. So, we want to make sure we get it thought out. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. >> And I care about the turtles, too. I I don't want them tires too. >> No, we don't want them in the tire treads. That's true. 484 02:11:45.760 --> 02:12:00.880 >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you for Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. >> Public comment. >> The public comment and opening to the board. >> Oh, sorry. >> Yeah, I know that. So, first I open to the board if you have questions for this evening or perhaps you'll save them for the next meeting. >> Not at 8:30. >> I just had a very quick question. How 485 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:15.119 tall is the chain length fence around the pickup court? It's 10 ft. >> Okay. And that >> and it's not chain link. It's a little bit. >> It says chain link. >> Well, that's because this guy doesn't know any better. >> It's the same. 486 02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:33.199 >> Yeah, we have one that's it's it's actually probably a little less expensive than chain link, but it's a it's more of a architect. >> Okay. So, enough that you know you're not going to get balls in the the basin or hitting cars. 487 02:12:33.199 --> 02:12:50.079 Good. Uh, anyone else like to open up the public? Anyone left in the room? All right. Uh, public comment either way. >> Yes. JL Drifus. Whoever. >> Oh, there's a hand. >> Yep. Yep. That uh JL Drifus 488 02:12:50.079 --> 02:13:05.119 unmute. >> Sorry, I was not being intentionally quiet. I could not unmute. Uh, this is Julian Govank, 34 brought in Harvard Road. I had a question about the um parking area to the right of the main entrance. 489 02:13:05.119 --> 02:13:20.719 It notes by the drawing that there is a crosswalk from the end of the last space over to the front walkway of the building. >> Mhm. >> Those spaces in front. They're all handicapped spaces, right? >> Oh, she's talking about here. These over here. >> No, other side. >> Right here. 490 02:13:20.719 --> 02:13:37.040 >> Yeah, over here. Yes. Thank you. Handicap. >> Um it's very small on my screen. Those are handicap symbols. So, all of those spaces are handicapped. Correct. >> Correct. Okay. So, would that be like van parking or would that be just like regular handicap parking? And this is why I'm asking if the crosswalk is going to go 491 02:13:37.040 --> 02:13:54.239 between spaces, is there a concern that cars will not be able to see people possibly crossing across that way, especially people that are coming through the drop off area and taking a right to exit out. Is that a concern at all? >> That's a good point. I'll look into 492 02:13:54.239 --> 02:14:09.920 that. Yeah. Um, >> there there are van spaces. Those are the 8 foot wide and 8 foot. >> I think these are going to be over here. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah, but I'll look at that. Bringing a crosswalk into striping that's shared. Uh maybe an issue. That's a good point. 493 02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:28.079 >> Actually, yeah, it's a good point. I think that we will get pretty good visuals there, but it's a good point to bring up. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anyone else? Um, don't see any other hands. 494 02:14:28.079 --> 02:14:45.760 >> I will take a motion for continuence. Move that we continue the public hearing for off Bishop Road or zero Bishop Road Senior Center map 25 partial 32 application for site plan review and storm water management permit to the May 495 02:14:45.760 --> 02:15:02.079 26 air planning board meeting. >> Seconded. >> Excellent. Any further discussion? >> Ken, how do you vote? Yes, >> Kathleen. >> Yes, >> Nathan. >> Hi, >> Julie. >> Yes, >> chair votes. I So, we will continue to open public meeting on May 26th. >> Thank you very much. 496 02:15:02.079 --> 02:15:16.960 >> Thank you everyone. Appreciate your time. >> Much appreciated. Uh, just so you know, we don't have meeting minutes tonight to to approve. >> So, just as the project status updates. >> Yes. Um, let me just pull up my And I think just I I'll just do the most 497 02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:33.840 important one right now, which is the um uh the Lincoln Hill. Let me just find it. All right. Um All right. So, in terms of the Lincoln Hill project, as of right now, the VA 498 02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:49.679 parking lot, so the lot is paved and striped. The media has been installed in the bio um basin. The plant uh the plants are being delivered on Thursday. The conduit for the lighting poles uh were installed 499 02:15:49.679 --> 02:16:05.119 today and scheduled to be inspected tomorrow. The goal is to have the parking lot uh project wrapped up by May 15th. >> Wow. >> Once the work is done on High Street, the striping company will come back and create the loading zone on the side of 500 02:16:05.119 --> 02:16:21.920 the BOA. Um, so in terms of the Lincoln Hill project specifically, as of today, all of the water, sewer, and drainage piping has been installed inside the development. Um, the sewer and drainage are installed through the 501 02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:37.679 easement down to Grten Harvard Road. Uh, they have 100 more feet of water pipe to make the connection from the easement to the development. Um the call tech system was delivered and is on site and construction will 502 02:16:37.679 --> 02:16:53.280 begin Thursday. This will take about 3 to 4 days. Uh that's the larger one down below. >> Yep. The big boy. >> Um the initial road work is scheduled to begin um this Friday um May 1st on 503 02:16:53.280 --> 02:17:09.120 Graten Harvard Road. There will be police details and a presence from the air DPW. Um I'm not sure what the standard protoc uh so um in terms of that we're gonna there's going to have to be 504 02:17:09.120 --> 02:17:25.920 some sort of um email that goes out in con in in connection with that to the uh residents on Harvard road just so that they're aware. But uh the initial work will be starting on Friday. Um but uh 505 02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:41.359 we'll figure out a way to kind of get that note that um information out. Um I'm not sure if Julianne if you could you know somehow relay that to some of the residents that you know as well just so that they also have a heads up. 506 02:17:41.359 --> 02:17:58.160 >> You bet. >> Um >> so that initial work you're talking about is connecting. >> Hold on. There's a comment that says Friday is a holiday. Friday is a holiday. >> Not that I know of. 507 02:17:58.160 --> 02:18:15.439 >> Any days? >> Um I don't It's not a federal holiday or a state holiday. So >> not in the United States of America. >> It's not a >> martinis are at three. >> So >> yeah. So um >> national communist. >> So the only um days that are considered 508 02:18:15.439 --> 02:18:31.679 are state holidays and federal holidays. Those are the only ones that are considered u legal holidays for us. Um, >> sorry. What is the impact to Groten Harvard road though? >> They're going to be doing road work. So connecting into the piping into the 509 02:18:31.679 --> 02:18:47.040 road. So they're going to be cutting into the >> They're closing the road or like you can still drive in both directions. >> So the plan is to have one lane one of the the one lane closed and there's soon to be police detail there. >> Right. So like one lane where like you 510 02:18:47.040 --> 02:19:02.880 drive, you wait then, right? Like so it's still two-way traffic is all I'm trying to understand. Okay. Yeah, that's why so there'll be that's why there'll be a detail there to work for both. >> Sorry, but just missed that. >> Yep. Um the road work for connections on High 511 02:19:02.880 --> 02:19:20.639 Street is scheduled for Monday, uh May 4th, next week as well. The only connection on High Street is water and is scheduled to be done um uh to be one week for that work. Uh they are going to do the work and repave the trench. The 512 02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:37.840 final fill, mill and repave is scheduled to be done at the same time as the neighborhood. Um we are still on schedule to have the road and the development paved by mid June. Um and they're applying for building permits for the first two houses this week. 513 02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:53.200 >> Wow. >> So the project is moving along very fast. >> Excellent. Thank you. Um, is there anything else that the board is? Uh, >> so the connections on how to go, you've got water, drainage, 514 02:19:53.200 --> 02:20:08.880 >> sewer, >> correct? >> Three. >> Yep. >> Yes. And I um I think it was about two weeks ago the water department was down there um looking at um you know connections and all that stuff. So 515 02:20:08.880 --> 02:20:24.560 >> All right. >> Good. >> Yep. >> I'll take a motion to adjurnn. So, can I can I just ask Sorry, it's not a project update, but I did throw out the May 5th and I I just >> I just threw out a time. I was just making stuff up. I just want to make sure what because we all can't talk 516 02:20:24.560 --> 02:20:41.120 about it outside of the meeting in an easy way that doesn't make Danny check on us each to make sure our availability is there. It I had mentioned Zoom because it's also they're going to be filming the select board. So, we would be able to record this and put it on YouTube for people to watch in a much 517 02:20:41.120 --> 02:20:57.200 easier fashion if we were all on Zoom together. Yep. >> Um, but is there anything? Those were all my thoughts, but everyone else should weigh in now, I think, is my ask. >> I think we're a little past that cuz we already put the we already made the date. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we're good. 518 02:20:57.200 --> 02:21:13.600 >> It's already been continued to it. Um, in terms of Zoom versus in person, that's up to >> I think that's what I'm saying. at the same time cuz I think a half hour here or there we're allowed to make it 48 hours. >> So we scheduled Yeah. So we right now it's scheduled we continued it to May 2 519 02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:29.960 uh May 5th at 7:00 p.m. That's that's the time that we have it scheduled. Um so in terms of Zoom in person, that's kind of up to you guys how you guys want to handle that. If you want to do it in person or you want to do it in Zoom, 520 02:21:30.880 --> 02:21:46.479 >> will there be a location made available like a >> Yeah, most likely the second floor meeting room. >> Okay. >> That we've you um we can use that cuz the select board will be meeting at that time. >> Sure. >> Um they I don't know maybe they'll be done by then, but I don't want to take 521 02:21:46.479 --> 02:22:05.640 that chance. So the we would go on the second floor. >> Okay. I just need you to know for filming I'm on the board of Apac. What do we need for >> It would still be on Zoom. We wouldn't need them to record, >> right? Okay. 522 02:22:08.240 --> 02:22:24.000 >> I mean, I'm assuming that no matter what, we would still have a Zoom meeting. >> Yeah. >> So that the public can join via Zoom, right? >> Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Still, the Zoom is still going to happen. >> Okay. Perfect. It's a in essence it's a hybrid meeting but there'll be no filming by Apex. >> Correct. 523 02:22:24.000 --> 02:22:39.920 >> Yes. But it's also a different >> So remember how the Zoom screen works and how we're filming ourselves and how we're sitting there. So whose screen we see whose face is in? >> Yeah. So the way it'll work is so in that meeting room the the Zoom is on the 524 02:22:39.920 --> 02:22:54.640 uh room. >> There is a Zoom room in that room. There's an hour. That's nice to hear. I have not been in that room. >> Yeah. There's like a screen that has an actual um >> uh Zoom uh camera on it. >> You will send us the uh Zoom link information. 525 02:22:54.640 --> 02:23:14.359 >> Yes, that'll be part of the agenda. >> Um so uh there's two uh comments. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Uh >> who was first? >> I don't know who was first. Rachel was first. I think >> Hello, Miss Cazera. 526 02:23:14.880 --> 02:23:29.840 Hello. Apologize. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just had a quick question and I apologize. I didn't um I don't think you saw my hand when you all were talking about it. Um, but it's in reference to the work on Graten Harvard Road. Um, should we expect any sort of um 527 02:23:29.840 --> 02:23:45.840 anomalies um with regard to our service like water and you know, should we expect any sort of surprises with regard to that kind of work? Is it really invasive or, you know, I I apologize if you touched upon 528 02:23:45.840 --> 02:24:02.720 I didn't quite catch that. >> Um, so I can't 100% answer that for you. Um, I think that would be more of a question that I'll have to reach out to the DPW to get a an exact answer for you. Um, so what I'll do is I'll talk to 529 02:24:02.720 --> 02:24:20.399 uh the DPW tomorrow and I'll I'll send something back to you. >> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. you. I appreciate it. >> All right. Thank you. Julian. Julianne. >> Hi again. Um, if I'm going to be reporting to the neighbors, um, when I 530 02:24:20.399 --> 02:24:35.840 approach the Flynn's across the street and I tell them about the work that's going to be done, they are going to ask me about the progress of the culvert next to their house and I don't have an answer for that. So, I was going to ask if Matt is still there and can touch on that. >> Uh, Matt left, but I can get you an 531 02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:52.000 update on that, too. I saw it under the agenda for those. >> No, different different color. >> Okay. >> Um yeah, I can get you um I'll when I ask about the um water I mean the the road work, I can also ask about that. >> Super. Thanks so much. 532 02:24:52.000 --> 02:25:03.439 >> Yep. All right. >> Okay, guys. >> Thank you. >> Motion to adjurnn. Is it seconded? Second. >> Good night, everybody. Thank you very much for your patience.