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meeting call us to order at 6:03 p.m all right uh can I get a motion to either approve the agenda or uneven motion to approve the agenda
second uh we're we're split again okay ken hi ellen I Linda hi Dennis hi Dave i uh Dan Hi
I Okay um approval of outstanding minutes i have um actually just February 9 or Yeah February 19th um I put the 21st and the 20th on just in case you
had them well I think the time I submit you might have gotten the 21st yeah the 21st was the Oh I'm sorry i just misprinting it out sorry no no no that's all right i mean if we can forgo that and I do not have the 20th that was our last meeting right yeah that's the last
one okay make a motion to approve the minutes of uh February 19 2025 as well as February 20 second hi Ellen hi Linda hi Dennis
dave Dennis hi and closer thank you Dennis for Yes great so that brings us to uh invoice recommendations for approval
matt are you officially recommending them for approval or am I uh yeah up to you is that Well we we have reviewed them and we recommend that they be approved i don't know if you want to form the Actually as the chair are you
able to make that motion nobody else can make it i typically don't make them so I make a motion that we pay the invoices all right so what what we have here hopefully everyone's had a chance to review is the
first the first uh invoice from architecture and the first vertex for the beginning of schematics design so there is a motion on the floor is there a second well I'm sorry madam chair um I
see the vertex discussion one oh there's the cap so are we going to one motion for both i think we should do one at a time okay all right then do you want to recommend it to approve uh the
invoice from Catlin Architecture second any discussion i'm good with it okay all right then we'll do a roll call oh wait
uh sure $13,715 i I says I John you get paid so and and I I move that uh we include the uh invoice for Vertex OPM in the amount
of $6,491 second okay any discussion yes and now I see it above so it's for the month of March now you're estimating that the most when you go to I see it's quantity
that's number one and then you go to two and then you go back to one so quantity so are you indicating that spending needs twice as much got next month is that the idea it's a quantity of two in the second line 2* 12 no but that's actually four
times the 64.91 roughly brian Jarvis are you able to comment on how that that's broken out part of the uh the fee proposal yeah that was for the um fee proposal that was a
monthly a monthly fee and we broke the March fee in half because we didn't really start till the middle part of March we moved it to July to cover the to cover the remainder of this this um phase so we had taken the fee and I think what Dan and JD reviewed that fee
was broken out by on a monthly basis so So the quantity in the first row should be one half well and then you know what I mean so it would actually be March April and May and June rather than one two it should read four
months if you just said it goes into July anyway yeah it's kind of confusing is what I'm getting at the first yeah I hear what you're saying um sorry about that well we're only authorizing the 6491 so I guess we'd recommend that you amend the future ones to be make a
little more clear but can we go into July yeah go with that no well no no it's it's not into July so if this is half one should actually read March yeah and then there will be two months April
and May with the quantities of with the amount of 12,000 and then June somebody just said that i understand what you're saying no he said it went into July that's what he said yeah my So my my bad the half the half got put into the end of June because we had to close we have
to close out the billing by the June 30th invoice that's why we've done that so the half of March went into the June June line if that makes sense i Yeah so it it should read one half two
one and one half that's correct is that Well I mean sure i mean yeah we were looking at it as you got one payment at 64 two at 12 and one at 19 so originally when we broke it up yes it was kind of evenly distributed across the month but I I see
what you're saying we can we can have it reflect that if that makes it clear well then I don't understand the 19 yeah it was that's one and a half it was 12 yeah originally it was I think it was five equal payments of or yeah five
equal payments of 12 roughly and we just broke we just broke March in half because we didn't have a full month of service okay so I recommend we approve the 6491 and then vertex clear up the l next three months and then sorry about that
we'll take your second i say thank you please approve all righty um that brings us to the design update
from Gatlin Architecture um so I've been working diligently with our engineers getting us all started um so designwise um nothing really has changed on the
plans um there is the sink that is back in that activity room uh one that's down on the first floor uh but but other than that nothing's really changed i'm just trying to like finalize rooms sizes and
everything like that the next phase he's working on is that he's got a structural grid for the uh columns and we have a couple columns that are landing where we don't want them so there's going to be a little bit of adjustment in the column layout that
you see there on the door yes and go ahead Dan yeah I I was going to dive into a little bit more uh with the geotech um information but yeah I've been working with structural engineer trying to get all the columns and we have a
couple that are sitting in some odd spots but I think we can easily get those adjusted um and then civil uh sitewise uh I placed the architectural site plan onto the topography
uh plan that we got i'm not sure exactly who the town sent out for that topography but I placed that down there and it seems like we got uh the borders of the property the property lot i I got a couple adjustments that need to be
made or we can try to adjust the lines a bit but um if you looked at the site plan that I gave you you can notice that the parking lot off to the right by the exit is kind of like on the line and
then on to the other side the uh pickle ball court is kind of like right on the line yeah so what what what he's getting to is that we'd like to enlarge the lot frankly and and we'd like to hear from Dan V as to whether we can add another maybe 15 ft to the width of the lot uh
without causing any kind of constrnation if it is a problem we'll redesign the parking lot and everything to get it over and find a new place for the pickle ball courts but we're a little bit tight especially with the need for about a 100 parking spaces
um which we will use pretty quickly so that's just a uh it's not needed right now but but as our site engineer is just getting started or civil and um we've discussed whether we can get another
little extra width on the on the lot i don't since we're not paying for it but there may be some issues there Dan V that you might know about so let us know whether that's a possibility yeah as as long as we still have proper access to
our brush dump area I don't you know as long as that's taken care of we can look at it a little closer see what it would do well why don't you take a peek at it for us and just get back to Dan and I can inform our civil engineer
okay that'll work because we have a septic on site that we're going to be locating and we have um pickle ball courts and maybe some other outdoor activities and one thing that we'll need is that we need to do a perk test we're
now in the season I think aren't we for perk testing or do we have to wait a little bit more Dan yeah we'd like to do it now if we could and we'd like to do it with our engineer present you'll we'll we'll pay him to pour the
bucket of water save you that extra work but we need a back hole out there yeah we can coordinate john can I ask on on the east on the east side how close are you to the to the
line on the east side that's the side closest to the cemetery notice over it oh I see that's an area yeah that was just line yeah that's that's the outline
of the civil yeah yeah yeah okay it's basically a giant square okay so the answer to the question is we can adjust the size of the lot because we haven't brought the ENR plan to town
yet okay but on top of that is any you got to check the site plan regulations because I don't think we allow parking with maybe within 10 ft of the lot line anyway um yeah that's why we want we have to redesign we we're
well aware of that we just need either we redesign the thing and and do less parking or we widen the lot and I'll take that parking group parking spaces right out why don't we take out the parking you don't need them oh you must be kidding i think we should take it out
this group right here yes you need a 100 you need a minimum of 100 spaces we need this for that group you won't have enough so um no um so Dan can we add 10 ft on that other
side we'll figure it out that's easy yeah it shouldn't we'll make a proposal if that's all right we'll come back with a suggested lot adjustment if the town can go with it that would be great my Dan will figure Oh I was gonna say I
was going to said I'll take a look at that site see what how much we really need and I can get back to you yeah yeah reach me offline Dan okay uh I mean could could you at some point if necessary make some of the parking
spaces you know subcompact only or compact car only or something in order to you know um one of the one of the big things about this is uh when we first started this uh site plan I did not have an exact property line for everything so
um this is just something I've discovered this week so I want to sit down and kind of like look at it a little bit more i might be able to move you know change some angles and stuff like that to get it work but if we can increase it another 10 ft or so that would it would help
dan you're going to take a look at at that and give some feedback yeah I'm gonna dive down dive into Oh I'm sorry i met the other I met Dan Vanqu yeah so let me coordinate with Dan A um
offline we'll we'll look at it and see what we can do yeah we'll figure something out thanks guys kd pocket the thing that's interesting is John told us we could do this on two acres two and a half acres and we gave him
three acres so I don't always tell the truth you know yeah live and learn so I put it to three acres people said I might be having too much space you said three acres i said we should have a hand oh you were right i know i usually I said 420 million
building my ideas we should have listened to you okay all right dan A uh any other updates with the uh Dan nothing else thank you this is wonderful oh hold on
dan back to the first um putting the sink in the activity room why don't you put the sink the activity room sink on the inner wall like you do on the second floor why wouldn't want to put it on an outside wall
our walls are are 40s you I know but why would you have it in two different places and two different activity make sense we'll look at it stacking relevant at this scale uh plumbing's underground anyways if on the first floor so yeah okay
thank you thank you thank you for putting in the sink and the um You're welcome the skylights above the So those are those are those solar tubes yes i did add those into that i forgot to mention that
and they would they would read They wouldn't have any I mean they would be open it looks like they would be translucent all the time they wouldn't have curtains no they would have a damper system that you can shut off and be able to close them for whatever
reasons watching them for any kind of presentations the whole room can be darkened and that happen electronically electrically y sounds like they have electric oh we want Katie up there on a ladder
you get the long you get the long pole you hold it it goes like that you twist it one of those on my skylight and the nice thing about these is that you can run this you can run events in that room without having any of the main
lights on if you want on a nice day in fact if you can see you can find your way around on a full moon i mean they're very effective yeah yeah yeah and I think that's one of the things that when we all visited we
remarked on how light and bright and airy the buildings were and when we took the seniors there they all remarked the same thing so I think it's cool all right um so that brings us anything else for
design updates all right that brings us to any Skype updates um Dan V did you or I don't know who wants to give that update as far as supplemental geotechnical and then the water design that is got it yeah um give me
one second um yeah so supplemental geotechnical so um one thing that came up through the architect through Catelyn um was to potentially do what's called a
passive sheer wave velocity test and basically what it is it's a test that can be done above ground without touching the um without going without drilling and we can find out um if the soils can be reclassified right now
they're classified as an E as it relates to seismic and if they could be reclassified to a D and what that does is it makes it um it makes it better for the structural engineer so we don't have to um have as as um strong of a
structure you know I don't know what exactly it entails but maybe thicker rebar thicker concrete I'm not sure a lot of moment a lot of moment connections in the steel and that's a lot of welding it would actually save a consider mineral amount of money for the
investment of trying to get it reclassified i think it's what what is it $3500 or so so so it's $3,800 through um Hagar Richtor Geoscience so we have contracted with them to do that work so
that's moving forward they're scheduled for May 5th and I'm just going to try to get them in any sooner as we can but um but we moved with them quickly and uh and the geotech um who helped us with the um the original geotech said he can
review it for me and and give me a and let us know if it can be a D do you do you need a motion from us to approve the expenditure for the 3800 or not no uh we don't because it kind of still relates to that site work that we had
made a motion for previously oh I see yeah when we did the geotech so it's kind of already covered under that motion we made okay um is there any kind of safety um implication by changing the way you're doing this
uh it's just going to be really it's design um the structure is going to be needed to be designed completely different for the seismic for the soil E as opposed to D so it's going to be more more design work uh when I was talking
to the engineer it's not necessarily more uh materials but it's just going to be a lot more design work uh a lot more testing a lot more labor let me correct that a little bit there's quite a bit of welding involved
more and large larger moment connections in the steel which actually increases the weight of the steel and excuse me I got a little something in my throat and also the foundations have to be considerably beefed up and order to deal
with with movement and although the soils will not liquefy according to the geotech engineer we can get a fair amount of movement in the soil that's why you want classifi we want to see whether we can reclassify it which will change the overall cost for
this it's not so much the design work as it is the moment connections although there is more design work I have a real basic question on this has to do with earthquakes seismic yeah okay so I mean you say you're going to
reclassify it I mean does that mean that you have to inspect it more efficiently carefully and and make sure that it or you know can I mean what's what's involved in the reclassification i mean
it's just the way we do this the reclassification changes it from a soil that might be considered um affected by a earthquake since we're in an earthquake I think three zone and if it's
reclassified and it's legitimately reclassified it allows us to design it with normal steel and foundations or at least reasonably normal but right now with the eclassification it creates quite a bit
of of issues required by code i mean yeah we because we took the steps this was a house lot this would never come up because we took the steps be cautious and did borings and so forth you get a classification from the geot
okay so he the coming classification okay so it comes with a classification but So we're trying to make the classification look and and and can you I mean you could build it the way it is but trying to save some money yeah I understand that but the question is how
can the reclassification just change because much precision testing the precision precision of the testing the borings give you one result this is this is trying to change the result in our favor because it's more technical oh I see i
think that's right we only know so much from the borings we did so this will give us more information to be able to better classify it's like a sonogram it they they send they they make a little they send sound waves down into the ground and it comes back telling them
how the soil reacts basically it's kind of a simp simplified way of looking at it so and so the to re to be able to reclassify it to D will allow somewhat
less expensive construction but the structural integrity of the building will not be compromised well if it was we wouldn't be allowed to do it i understand i don't want this thing falling down want I just want to be
explicit on that point to alleviate some anxieties that is there's no compromising on the structural integrity by reclassification because we are confident that the persons doing the reclassification have the professional integrity to tell us the truth oh my god
yes it's a geotechnical engineer it's that that's their specialty question Dan I saw the proposal and whatnot but was specifically talking about this process being done in the area of the building is that the case or
are they going to do the whole site of more than just the building so he even know I don't know so he he's he um allotted for I guess what's called bore transex so we haven't identified exactly where to do those but obviously we're going to do them near
the building I would imagine and the the soil from the borings is quite uniform so whatever they come up with is going to be pretty much for the whole area and Dan did you want to give an update on the water design and cost estimation
uh sure yeah so my engineering division Matt Hearnen and Delaney have continued with the in-house water design and they have a preliminary design um set they have plans for it and our next step which we're engaging in is an
application to uh panam for the railroad crossing and so that'll involve um a little bit of cost we have to pay for the permit and then there will be requirements to do borings on either side of the um of the railroad so we're
we're getting a cost for that and um and so there will be some minimal costs there and we did put together a preliminary estimate to go with the preliminary design and the estimate is a little over 700,000 now there's a couple things one
is about a h 100,000 of that is storm water improvements we're planning to do while we're out there on Bishop Road because we have issues over there so that wouldn't come out of the project budget that would be DPW storm water budget and then the uh I the difference
kind of between the initial cost estimate I put together which was high level and the preliminary design is we've taken the water man all the way down to Park Street um and not just to where the it extends to right now on Bishop Road and that's because the uh
the existing water man out there is a 6 in water man it's as cement pipe so it really ought to be replaced while we're doing this anyways so um that's probably why it's a little higher than the initial estimate I had so that's kind of where we're at right now
are we going to be responsible for the whole all the way to Box Street or only to the tracks to where the existing pipe is um should we not responsible for you pipe that goes from there to this box
well I I'd include it in the project for now and then if if we're in some bind maybe there's a way we could use water funds because we wouldn't we wouldn't touch this main right now if it project weren't coming along but that's the logic
yeah i thought the answer was was good thanks a lot a lot of work there i think the water fund should pay for the whole project because the need to get it to our building i don't know um and then Dan last update for for you did you want
to let everybody know about the Meepa meeting rescheduling yeah um so I I had a meeting set with uh Meepa just a consultation today but it got cancelled because the uh the person I was going to meet with was unavailable
and so that's postponed i can't meet with them again until May 8th you know it's what I'm trying to what we're trying to do is find out what exactly is needed for permitting because we may need to do an environmental impact report because we're within an environmental justice community or
environmental justice boundary um so that's what we're trying to we're trying to get a hold of because that could come with a cost to it thank you for looking into that all right zooming through the agenda tonight i like it so I mean I have a question
about the environmental justice it's you know it seems like I mean there's nobody out there so how can we the mapping it's already mapped that's the problem oh it's mapped and it's like town wide 854 people in the map section
of town within that we're way on one side and the other side is West Main Street something like that that's a very unfair approach okay that's written down by the federal and state government that's weird
epa is going away pretty soon anyway don't worry about it we're just hoping any um any update on the electrical or national grid uh nothing nothing great i got I they've switched
designers on us um and so I'm now I'm in touch with uh someone else over there so slow going but uh I'm trying to get a hold of exactly where they're at and when we're getting it i just actually was communicating with them today
word on the fence on the gate yeah that's uh that one also we had a meeting it was going to be it was going to be last week and then it got postponed through Devons and with Devons and Fish and Wildlife so
that has not been rescheduled to TBD so I'll get back to you on that how does anybody get anything done started welcome to the government i'm from the government and I'm here to help yeah exactly the worst eight words in
development something like that after my coffee break my vacation and my siesta we'll talk so I think that brings us Matt okay sure uh I did have a couple of handouts and I wanted to make sure everybody got one um
this set of things in the middle here did everybody get one or should I i did these are a slide from our last meeting that I'll touch on briefly um but VIP is our um acronym for vendor invoice
pattern and so we wanted to introduce you to some of the pieces of this uh that you should be expecting to receive from each month and so I'll just create a second for everybody to make sure we have all the exhibits here and not go to VIP vendor
vendor invoice package vendor invoice package that is so you'll see all of these look like financial spreadsheets uh and that is because they are the vendor invoice package is something oh
sorry start by here sorry I don't have electronic copies of these i'll stand up um I can also just email them to you when we're back there um so the vendor invoice back is something that we
prepare for the town each month and it includes all of the invoices from the previous month as one collection so they're all in one place you can approve them on a single warrant we do that um to simplify the process that we underwent earlier this evening with
presentation of invoices approvals make it simplified on a single warrant the kinds of information that we'll report um on this are any any changes any new commitments or contracts that we've entered into or extensions of purchase
orders um and we'll organize it in a table that looks like this here uh where all of the line items all of the commitments on the entire project have a financial status of what's been committed uh to date what contracts we
have in place what's been spent to date and then in the columns uh K and L over sort of off to page right you'll see what is left to spend uh what is left uncommitted on the project we organize it um in this way as a a sort of
financial health big picture of the entire project uh it also reports sort of towards the bottom what uh contingencies we have they're not currently committed to anything in particular but are there sort of as a safety valve in case anything should go
over or there's something elective that we may have like you know a geotechnical passive wave um sheer velocity test or something uh that we want to electively do um in the interest of of um
furthering design team's efforts or or things of that nature um so the packet contains and and we're still sort of working to assemble that but it contains a list of all the contracts and commitments uh so for now
that is um Vortex and Catelyn um but if there are other consultants um that we have commitments to uh we can add them to the list and report them out here on the uh overall spreadsheet uh we also
have a a list of all of the expenditures to date that's the full list of all of the invases paid on the project uh what is what does PTD stand for pt pay yes
um but we just wanted to give you an idea of the level of financial reporting that we will be doing um going forward making sure that you know where all of the funds are on the property and can I ask you and who at our end will
be working with these documents will it be Katie or the accounting office or the town treasurer or how does that work so we can make you set up the distribution any way you'd like so I mean makes sense we can do it it obviously needs to go to accounting so you want to send it
directly there for me either one is fine i can touch base with the account and see how she wants it sure yeah that'd be great katie one question again yes that at the town side of this I I'm assuming that somebody in
accounting or the town treasurer in order to kind of get the heads up on what's going to be allocated because we don't physically write the checks i think that from the town right but we're going to approve the bills right here right they're basically summarizing work that's been put in place and how much
work is left to be done but the bills are going to come yes across here yes so they're going to get the this committee will authorize payment of them and then for any one individual one to date what has been required as me sending the town
accountant an email that says I authorize the payment of this contingent upon approval from the grant administrator for the housing choice grant and then Alicia pops in to the same email and says and Dan if it's
relevant for the work completed and then it goes in so uh I just want to check in with Carrie to see if that's the process she would still like or if she would like to streamline it further as we get into a more active phase of the project and and my concern is that you know as
these things come fast and furious hopefully God willing that that be moving smoothly and quickly and that things aren't getting hung up for 10 days because somebody's on vacation or you know somebody put it at the bottom of the pile or or what have you so for
clarification purposes my my major question was going to be what day of the month do you do this on does your company do this periodically on a certain piece of the day of the month like the 15th or something like that yeah it may not tie into what your question we can make it
construction we're going to get a bill once a month from the general contract yeah we do for all those subcontract items and we're going to hold out 5% or 10% or something for change yes change absolutely we so we can have it ready for whenever in the month makes sense to
have it prepared and in the um meeting packet for so I can this meeting we can talk about usually we start them early in the month try to get ahead of things but they to cover your concern they will not get paid properly there'll be a period when it comes through us the
architect has to sign off there'll be a construction and could take 30 to 60 days for somebody to get paid for and they know that it's typically the way it goes it's tough job he has to get paid yeah
yeah of course let me tell you though there is a requirement in the specs and in the state level legislation that the contractor has to be paid within a certain time frame which I think is 30 days after the invoice but we I I know
that Vertex is is on top of this uh we we review these things very quickly we do it in the field because we'll be doing site meetings when the when the the pencil wreck comes in we review it between ourselves and the OPM and then
if there's any adjustments we'll inform the contractor and then it'll finalize a pay request that comes to us to be approved and the committee can review it but it's get gets approved by the architect and the um OPM yeah so I'll
just I'll add to that this this process um will we adjust this process to meet the town's process for the warrants and everything so we the goal is that we collect everything on the monthly basis we bring it to this committee to get approved and we've had that aligned with whatever the town needs on their end to
actually uh issue the warrants to John's point when we get to construction we also modify the payment application process with the contractor to fit into this process so the the goal is that when you're in construction this package will have everything you have
financially related to the project for the month gets approved goes to town finance and we meet all the requirements for turnaround time the whole works is itemized you get you're like maybe 15 or 20 pages that way you're not getting multiple invoices multiple days we review
everything with John we review everything with Dan and Katie and get it to your you know recommend for approval it streamlines everything and it comes out on a monthly basis typically the typically the second week so we can meet the second the first meeting of the month with the building committee to get approved and then our team will
reconcile with town finance uh just you know get copies of the warrants and just make sure everything got paid and and they tie out that should work out well because we process every other Wednesday so yep yeah sounds good Ellen so let's see the other uh item
that I had here is a slide that we had presented um at our last um meeting i just wanted to talk about this um as um just part of the update we've been working with with Catelyn on formulizing a work plan as they're
working and developing their design and wanted to just provide this again as part of a um uh just sort of a an upcoming sort of what's coming up uh for future meetings um just wanted to to provide that um and uh so
um just to as a forecasting tool let everybody know what was coming up so I I just wanted to have that as a reminder for the group and that oh dear sorry it's online that probably looks loud just in terms of the I just noted
that for the April 20 in a couple of weeks fiber I don't what I mean what have we done in terms of fiber or getting broadband for the to the site or how is that going to the comics sorry what
go ahead no I mean the I I know that there's nothing going down the street now and there's nothing on the lot and um and how we going to get there i don't know if uh fiber is available whether they have to be
we have to reach out to Comcast business it would run with the electric power as it comes over and then it will go underground to the building but that that really is an issue that we'll be bringing up really during CDs and
certainly Dan V and the town needs to be thinking about that i think it's a good question we just we probably won't be addressing it for you know Yeah we have it until after we have an item on our working group minutes we do all the all the utility
connections to the building i'm sorry I missed that Brian we have it as working group our bi-weekly working group meetings one of the things we track are all the permanent utility connections to the building making sure we have all the design and everything gets lined up so as we get more information on that we can present uh
fiber and internet connection is one of those items that we're tracking oh okay all right anything else uh not for me is there any other questions in a general
sense John have you heard anything more about cost going down versus going up or anything like that in the last couple weeks i know steel is going down so and you didn't hear my laugh did you
you're muted John i'm just watching the market right now um yeah i I think it's going to be a pretty competitive market according to my my cost estimator i think people are getting nervous the contractors they really want
to build up their um their dance card but you know it's just too bad we're pushing out to the to a maybe an early spring bid bid but I think it'll be pretty positive right now that's you know Brian can comment on you guys have
a lot lot in the um going right now and you might have some other thoughts no we agree we think it's going to be we think it's going to be a competitive environment um we actually have a couple things opening in the next um few months it'll be interesting one thing we will need to talk about when we get to the
front end though is the language that we have in the contract related to tariffs um there's a couple different ways to handle that but that's something we get we can get to when we get a a bid set together who knows maybe there won't be any tariffs yeah there might not be by that time maybe figure out what the hell is
going on the one thing you said is correct you can't figure out what the hell's going on all righty uh any I don't think we have any public on with us so no public input uh our next meeting is the 24th
right yep yep 24th 6 p.m here uh this talks about town board engagement with planning board and conservation is that is that because you're going to try to do that by the
24th or plan it by the 24th part of the plan for engaging with uh those boards uh and commissions is that we want to have informational premeings with them uh so that when we do go before them for formal approval of the finished design
uh they're not seeing it for the first time and we've gotten anything that was would have presented perhaps a a stumbling block addressed with them so that we can the hope would be to u really get ahead of anything that they may have uh to say that they might want
changed if we can get get an initial round of feedback uh incorporated into the design and then show them something that's already kind of addressed some of the concerns that perhaps they would have we think that we can streamline the uh the approvals process that way so
yeah I I may I may have missed that uh question was that planning board zoning and building department yes yeah we always go in informally to them quite early just like Ma Matthew was saying we'd like to go in even probably I' I'd
wait till after town meeting to make sure we're going ahead but once we know that we'll bring in our schematic set and sit down with both zoning uh planning and building department so when is town meeting you talking about the
spring you talking about a springtime meeting when coming up well you talk about October about October 27th well to get in there early why would he wait until October because the project isn't
isn't set to go ahead if it does if it doesn't go ahead but also it's just schematic design we really start going into them in the DD phase but I'd like to get in certainly with the schematics once we get a DD approved to go ahead we'd be in
front of them right away we don't want to revisit a lot of this stuff if they have an issue right now we know all the zoning rags and we're going to be within that things like what what Ken brought up make sure that the parking set back
properly from the lot lines and all of that stuff well the answer to Allen's question is you basically have a category here but we'll just keep slapping it back so it ends up being in the right spot but you're just carrying it for us for information that we know some of this is
is initial initial discussions about that process okay um but yeah we we'll time that appropriately to make sure that we're engaging those boards and commissions at the right time now we have made some changes some kind of significant changes which have
affected the uh size of the building and also the cost and we don't feel that we need to go to them about that i talk to the building inspector all the time so I've shown him my stuff and whatnot but it's a good it's a
pattern that they use that should be used even though I can't what I say to you if I share the blind i think I told you that I also be tend to be the one that's the deepest thinker as far as what's right and what's wrong on a lot of the
drawings of my experience so I can pretty much assure you that before we go to the planning board we will have a set of documents should work because we have a great piece of land and plenty of we're going to cover drainage and all everything else is storm water and all
that stuff so we'll be in good shape there we don't have any conservation issues i mentioned that before yeah you did one thing I got want to tell you add to the working
group enterprise commission a overlay district is that what it's called then i have to add they have to add that to their notes i just there's one little permit that we have to go to de yep
and we can probably do that in the process of talking about everything else with the people at DES i'm going to I'm going to have to sign off dan's going to stay on to make sure that that all the questions are answered but I have a um a high school play that
I have to go to see young kids playing they've already started but I'm not worried about missing the beginning but um yeah really you just got to see the kids you want to see the rest is irrelevant i'm supposed to take
pictures good luck see you later thank you good luck sorry did I just did I say a non-truth okay so I think the answer to your question is we're going to be approaching those boards this early in the process just keep carrying this was
again this was a a this slide that we brought forward from our our last meeting so that may be updated we won't approach the boards until town meeting approves the gives the go-ahad because otherwise there's no real reason to see any of these a small town that really is
engaged at this point already watching our progress and paying attention and we go to select board and make a report to them periodically so you know people have been watching and they know it's good pretty much so sorry can I just ask a question i know
the design is this the final like design update the last changes or is this going to be ongoing i know we decreased the size a little bit and I'm just trying to um I'm getting back up to speed on what
was eliminated and was the equipment lending room still in the plan or was that eliminated that's eliminated isn't that a huge need it's been it's been it's been made somewhat smaller but it's still on here yeah there's an external external surge yes external
surge uh near the uh pantry um kitchen area the background and is that large enough to accommodate what we believe the needs are going to be it's somewhat small it's somewhat smaller than the original design
but I think Dan and John felt that it was adequate to meet the need i mean we really won't know how the size that we're really going to need until we see what is donated and what people actually are looking for bigger is always better but I'm sure if
worst comes to worse we can hit up Morris and say "Hey can you donate a 12 by 12 storage shed that we'll put or 10 by 12 and put it out back and we'll put stuff in there and then move it into the room where we need to push it out." I
mean I think that's really going to come down to who ends up wanting to facilitate that program because as a senior center director I'm only interested in the things that are most needed and that I can verify with my
skills that are in good working condition um you know when we originally were talking about this the disabilities commission really wanted to take the lead on it and they wanted to be able to have um electric devices and things that were going to serve much more than just
the standard walkers wheelchairs potty chairs canes sort of thing that the typical senior center covers so I I think it's really gonna whether it this space is certainly adequate for um what a typical senior center will do it's
just a matter of whether the disabilities commission decides they want when you guys reorganize if you want to take that then I'm not sure it's going to be adequate for that and is outdoor space appropriate
for what the needs they might want for equipment i think we it technically it won't be it's going to get into we're going to get into serious issues but what I'm figuring is if we have to put it in the
storage shed and then when it comes time that somebody says hey I need this then we can move it to the inside of the building and that's where it will be distributed from so we don't have to get into it's ADA compliant so we don't have to have the ramps coming in we can just
have a storage shed and then those of us that work it can bring it in the building get it situated and then issue it from inside the building to whoever it's going to is is what I'm thinking is going to happen long term because we're
not going to have the room inside the building but in order to put up a structure that would be 100% ADA compliant after the building was built would be prohibitively costly uh you know I I would be opposed to a a storage
shed like out back you know I mean you're building this nice building with you know walkway around it and you know we wanted we want to maintain the aesthetics of it and you know a storage shed is it just sort of doesn't fit well
the if we put the storage set up we would match it to the structure of the building it wouldn't just be thrown in we would get the same siding the same roof material the same corner beads so it would look like it
was an equipment storage it's like if you were storing at your house if you were going to store your snowblower outside and your we your lawn equipment that's basically what it would look like you have seen other other walks that we took and places we visited several places that have exterior storage
for their for their equipment and stuff like that many of them they were nice annual furniture and whatever but you know they did have they weren't really eyes or anything i'd be concerned they're going to put you in charge of the selection but you don't have to worry you're right
there how does Dan do with storage going back to we'll make sure that they have extra materials from the site and say "Hey we need to make sure you have an extra enough leftover for this that you put in a pile." So and I I really would see
that as a separate if it's not going to be in the building it's going to be a separate capital request at some point down the road we're it's never going to come in under the dollar value of the capital request so um again from the
senior cent's perspective the and Dan I'm just Dan Arts I'm just confirming that we that outside room is like 10 by 10 that will be plenty of space for walkers wheelchairs canes potty chairs that sort
of a thing uh and then if the disabilities commission wants to put a warrant article forward for a building to meet a much more sophisticated set of needs which I think would be
incredible i would see those as two separate projects i'm sorry I didn't run that by you first surprise but yeah I wouldn't see that as then a senior center function at that point i think it's great if we could enrolled it in from the get-go and I'm bummed to see it
not be there in that capacity but if it's not then it would be separate i want to make a quick comment on that to for your benefit so part of what we did here was we uh simplified the building by taking out you know jobs and stuff well I think we left it open i don't
know if we all remember this because of the way this is framed with the pantry right next to it in the kitchen as we got to the sizing of the pantry and the kitchen it's a possibility that that wall for both storage rooms could move further and make those rooms bigger yes so as part of our planning we're going
to look at the size of that pantry and therefore we could increase the stos as well so because we haven't finalized how big is this kitchen how many appliances are in it and how big is that pantry but there's still an opportunity to make the room bigger on getting it i got to walk
through a walk-in fridge and freezer at the expo a couple of weeks ago and that was really cool i mean I'm not I'm not saying we're going to get that i'm just putting it on record it was cool you can't walk that i'm going to go back to full content i
have a question um Dan Parks um I've asked a couple of times about the um the generator which I've heard is huge and I'm just looking at this site plan and wondering it's still not on here and I'm
wondering where it would go um so yeah now I was thinking about that uh the other day myself and um part of me likes to keep it over with all the um tucked away in the corner by like service stuff
so probably I was thinking probably over by the um if we're looking at the plans the bottom left corner over by the pantry um that would probably my plan to put it there um with this whole the site
being a little bit off that's going to be definitely something I'm going to be working on next week definitely how big is it comparatively to other things on here they're probably about like I want to
say maybe like 8 feet by like 12 feet something about that is it the size of the pickle ball courts no oh god no no no no it's only eight by the trailer it's about two the size of one of these parking spaces oh okay yeah yeah that's not good i
would I'd call it as big as a pocket space just as a it's sitting on call it about the size of a parking space yeah it's going to be sitting It's going to I haven't seen your detail for it then but it's probably going to be sitting on a housekeeping pad that's
correct yes it's probably going to have depending on where you site it may have ballards around it just to armor it stone around it always okay so we go back to this okay and I like to refer to as A1 which is what it
is the name the plan this one right so this is what me looking at this in three minutes um now change your question Why haven't we just got the building in the same relation to the angle of the
lot why are we not lining up the building exactly parallel to the street and the whole plan just turns counterclockwise oh the the reason I did we could do that but the reason I kind of did that was because you have the
ball and put it behind the the building or something just pull the whole thing counterclockwise well sounds like you got it uh no yeah I was definitely going to get into that kind of stuff uh we also have that large hill behind us so I
was trying to get it to work with that hill um not necessarily using that street as a guideline um but yes no I I think it would look weird to not have the building lined up parallel to the street oh no you honestly you'll never
know it unless you're flying by you'll never really notice i know we're looking at the plan that's enough yeah yeah exactly we're looking at the plan yeah i was thinking the same thing and um kind of thinking more about it we
were talking earlier about this the um with permitting with natural heritage the more we encroach toward the existing brush dump that's more of habitat for the blanding turtle so that's actually less advantageous for us so the more we could work into the existing
configuration the better yeah I like like I said uh earlier multiple times tonight that I next week I am definitely looking at this this is something that came up earlier this week i haven't got a chance to fully address it and Okay can you can you move the I don't know
how much space where the you had that sort of greenage there greenery there on the roadside screening i mean can the can the can everything be moved closer to Bishop Road 10 or 15 feet i don't know what the scale is
there and then made parallel you want to keep the P you want that barrier then well yes but does it have to be I mean if you say five or 10 feet there yeah you know you're you know how much we need how much do you need to I I
get I I again want Excuse me i again want to er again want to state that the building was placed onto this lot without us having actual plot lines these plot lines are new so yes there's going to be
some adjustments and that's something we're going to be working out okay good thank you might parking if you shift it this is pretty much it yeah I take the two pickle ball CS and put them you got Everyone's You're
overthinking it a bit right now don't worry about it give it another chance all right pling boards easement for pickle ball courts excuse me what's the planning board easements for pickle ball court
you need You don't need 10 sets setback's 10 general res side setback is 10 feet in general residential the only way let me give it to you this way the only way this can get screwed up okay is if they
put something on there that does require us to build a zoning board of a PS or a change or something like that which we do not want to do so we have plenty of time to make What about the noise from the pickled ball or disturbing the blanding curve it's a possibility could be disturbing the dead people we might
have consultant there's a consultant working on that that's the pickle ball court let's remember the pickle ball courts is a alternate right it's not no it's being paid by the um Right but it's alternate
well it there's understanding the base price doesn't include the pickle ball got an add so it would be you know you can demonstrate it as a location on a site
track is what I'm getting at not necessarily that it's a built out environment but hey when you build a football court the engineers going to have to consider that storm drainage anything that's impervious gonna have to all it's going to come out
of the equation but at this point I get a motion to adjourn to no public Hi hi hi hi hi
says hi we are adjourned at 7:08 Part: 2
commission meeting it is Thursday April 10th commissioners in attendance jenna Maya as member george Bacon as member jessuino member clerk mark Phillips as vice chair heather Hamson our
conservation agent and myself John Schmullener as chair confirmation of agenda there is no changes all righty motion to approve the agenda as written so move second all in favor say I i oppose nay
it passes unanimously okay approval of the meeting minutes for March 27th 2025 anyone have any comments or changes okay and hearing none uh is there a
motion to approve the meeting minutes for March 27th 2025 as written so move second all in favor say I i i post nay this is uni and Missy this is the time of our meeting
for public input if there is anyone out there who is not on the agenda that has a comment or question for the commission if you'd rather you have public input pardon yes I have
public input but if you'd rather wait until the end it's up to you no let's do it now please come and join us state your name for the records sure i'm Ruth Max Schultz 17 Task Street
your mayor nice to see you Ruth pardon it's nice to see you yes good to see you um always enjoy meetings as you know I've I have a farm and it's conservation i mean it has is is not conservation but it's very
organic and I like to keep it thinking that it's going to stay that way um I'm going to propose I wanted to propose on sometime in annual meeting or press winter meeting or something a
right to farm bylaw for the town or not a right to farm bylaw and that's the first question I get from anybody what is air right to farm bylaw and I have to say no right to farm bylaw is just it's a it doesn't increase the rights of the
state laws it just says we declare that we agree with them and we want to protect farming in the town basically is what it does and there is one thing that it's um the right to farm is hereby
recognized exist within the town of air the above described agriculture activities may occur on holidays weekdays and weekends by night or day and it and include the incidental noise odors and dust and fumes associated with normal agricultural
procedures that's covered by state law it is hereby determined that whatever impact may be be caused to others sorry have trouble may whatever impact it may be caused to others
through the normal practices of agriculture is often more offset by the benefits of farming to the neighborhood community and society in general the benefits and protections of this bylaw are intended to apply exclusively to those commercial agricultural and
farming activities conducted in accordance with generally accepted agricultural practices moreover no nothing in this right to farm bylaw shall be deemed as acquiring any interest in land or imposing any land use regulation which is probably a
subject to state statute regulation or local zoning law but the important thing about the bylaw is that 21 days after the purchase and sale contract is entered into they must be giving anyone who's
purchased land or property must be told that it is right to farm community and the whole purpose of the bylaw is to protect the the farm and the community from being the neighbor sighting they
don't like the smell they don't like the noise and start complaining and then file a lawsuit and this is to prevent anything from happening about that um air is the only town in the around that surely has a right to farm harvard Grten
Littleton Peral towns in we're the only farm that does not we're the only town that doesn't have that and there's still the um top of the hill farm m um Mr david
Elides has some of the best hay in the state he really keeps it does wonderful job haying because hay always sells out fastest and then um there was my farm and I would like to see it protected um
by the town people rather than try you know when I have called when I have had a neighbor selling a house I called and I told please tell your real estate agent there's a farm talk to the real estate agent I called the number and I said please tell the people that are
interested there's a farm and then I talked to the people by it oh we didn't know There was a farm there it's happened only one only one of the house that was sold that the real estate agent told them
people right next door did not know and so that's I think that would help um that would help and protect my not only my farm but also the top of the hill farm and and farming out of um they
say there has to be five acres it's not there's no set acreage for you to become a commercial farm you can I think two acres is one of the admittable that the town that they own say and there are several properties in town with have two
acres or more that could be used as a farm in the process and personally I'm very concerned about the way the land is going you know going up into houses after houses you don't have enough room
for for growing things and um I'm I'm very concerned about that and um the best way is regenerative farming and um I've been I've been studying that for years it's way my grandfather farmed is
that you just use the animals to to replenish land and it hasn't going on this land is so deficient i have to feed my goat selenium magnesium and all kinds of stuff that never had to do that before it was just isn't there
anymore and so um that's the reason for it and I want you to let you know that that I'd like to see it happen to town in the future so you're just coming to us as just giving us information yes just giving
information a heads up for you come to town meeting at some point in time to Well it depends um I think of plan to do that yeah um of course you all known what what has
happened to me i I assume you do and um I just would like you not to believe all the stuff that was reported um and if any of you have questions I'd be happy to to speak with you about it but um the
town is now saying that I'm not a farm and they're telling me I'm not and so if that continues then I don't know i think I like that cluster housing that that the um I've talked to
um the zoning the zoning i talked with the this surveyor and um about doing cluster zoning on my property and putting like 30 houses or so on it i think he was saying we could
do plus I there's no point in me fighting the town anymore than I have for the last 20 years and it's it's just enough so well appreciate you coming to us with for the heads up and I wish you
good luck in your Thank you appreciate it thank you R anyone else okay uh first item this evening is a discussion 42 Park Street project site changes and remediation
good evening good evening state your name please for the records so Justin McCarti Engineering Alli Golden ali Golden owner of 42 Park Street and you want to come up here please [Music]
and Golden What happened yeah also Mike McDuff Michael McDuff michael McDuff so before let answer this right way before commission asks he is the new I didn't do it he is the
new site contractor that was hired as part of the what's going to be the ongoing remediation for the site so he was not responsible for what we're going to talk about tonight okay just want to get that out there to put away my rotten
tomatoes rotten tomatoes cookies you want a cookie so if the commission remembers we were in front of you a while ago for McStar's building here as construction was
ongoing Miss Gold Knock went for her temporary certificate of occupancy as part of that a progress as bill had to be done and filed with the town so surveyor went out shot everything as is
submitted to myself and also to the town i did notice some things on it that I figured would be noticed by both the plan agent and the conservation agent i said it is what it is on site
right now submit so they see that you did have it done and we'll address concerns on site so the biggest thing regarding the commission's purview and issue is when you look at the building there's a retaining wall that
was constructed in place of originally we had the edge of the building we had an exposed foundation we had two almost two walkways we had one high one low with stairs in between during the building design building permit
process it was determined that the foundation in the footing had to be deeper than what was originally entailed if the commissioner remembers we were proposing the brain in approximately 4 ft of fill on site on average a little less here a little more there but it's
about 4 ft of fill with the foundation wall and the footing being driven deeper into the ground will have resulted into more fill on site trying to balance construction cost and maintain what close to what was approved
i talked to the previous site contractor and said "Well if you do a retaining wall get the grade back closer to existing grade you remove the fill which originally they didn't want to do a wall just for the cost but again
re-evaluating the cost the wall was cheaper so the contractor installed the wall regrade everything accordingly but one thing that he did was push the wall further out than what was originally talked about when we went through
this so compound that with the paving subcontra that contractor that came out paved the site so not only was the pavement pushed out because the wall was pushed out the contractor also paved
more area than what was proposed the biggest if you look at this plan is where the concrete pad is in the light gray underneath is the this right here yep so that was the approved layout and then
everything in dark is the as kind of where that red circle is where you can see the dark concrete pad yep right in that area that was additional payment that was added that was not ever part of the plan
so EOP had your payment is that lower yes okay correct so I can't give you a reason why said contractor did that being on site with this being Yeah and where the cursor is right now that
little additional pavement is resulting in again the construction of the retaining wall on the right hand side you can see where it says deck and stairs in front of that is a retaining wall so
essentially it's it was known that payment extended beyond the limits as approved as additional pavement based on my calculation is about 1,000 square ft of additional additional of additional pavement how much 1,000 square feet in total
so the first thing I wanted to do was show the commission what the approved plan and the asbuilt looks like and then I did submit three potential
solutions to resolve this issue that fully understanding that payment's going to have to come out we know that but due to the construction of the retaining wall the construction of the
building we're going to have to find some middle ground because it all can't come back out if not we don't meet the required parking and drive a whiffs that are needed so on that side there there was four parking spaces proposed the three
options I'm proposing do maintain the four parking spaces couple different layouts variations that I would appreciate the commission's input on what they would want the three options also do remove the thousand square feet of impervious
so we get back doesn't matter which one the commission chooses it gets you back to what was approved for imperous area it just it's going to be in a few different spots than what was approved so with that if we before we move
forward on that let's go through a little bit more of the background how we came to this meeting this evening um so again the temporary occupancy was requested danny the town um planner received the asbuilt this is the only one I've ever seen i never received an
ASB bill because of the order of conditions we have on site which is per our bylaw not the state we have our order of conditions which was for what you see in the in the light gray was only for these items with a
detailed planning plan a remediation of the knotweed in the back um and I think that I think it may have been one or two other items on there what we have on site now um just so you guys know the 100 foot buffer line goes somewhere in
between in the middle right around in this area here um I asked you to cross the plane it's not It's not No and it But it is It is It is It's about right there it's at the edge of the building here so everything that we're talking about when we're saying the 100,000
square feet of of extra pavement it that's in in within the buffer or is it on the total site it's on the total site so that's an important aspect of this because all we have jurisdiction over is that so when we're looking at these asbuilt plans and looking at options all
we have to jurisdiction over is everything from that going towards history what the concern of the commission that the commission needs to look at is when we're looking at on site now because the way the pavement looks and stuff now we have it it there's we have it in our
requirements we need to have a 3 to one slope um I mean obviously the site's not done right now it's like at some points it's one to one it just drops straight off and then goes into vegetation if with little to no room to do any sort of grading in there now so just keep that
in mind when we're looking at this edge of pavement here that we have a very tight um site when we're looking at trying to create that grade in there just so we can get and get more and plant our planting plan that was done um I just want to bring that up there so
clarification so where it's one to one we want it one to three so our requirements are in our in our order conditions and all all sides we it has to be a 3 to one slope okay so whether that were to change or not we'd have to figure that part out um that's one aspect of this is figuring out the
grades from that parking lot out but those grades are going to be now along with the planting plan um I know and I we'd have to verify the planting plan on that because while you know And I I did send some pictures the old foundation
was taken out and used as a retaining wall like a walk wall along the border of the line around the property um was a stone foundation stone foundation and part of that is within the buffer so that was originally supposed to be planting without that now that we have just just so you know what's on site
there is a makeshift stone wall there and on this plan if you look at the bottom left hand corner stone block see the it says stone stone block wall at the bottom of the page and it makes an L kind of a wonky L shape it's delayed on
the screen it's fine with me yep starts right here it starts there goes down the page it kicks off to the right you're in that yeah this is all in the 50 foot which was not on the original plane as well why was that placed
so I believe to help mitigate with some of the runoff cuz it they're just big rocks they're not buried in the ground or anything they were just taken they're just they're just placed right at grade
so I think it was something that the contractor I need spot to put these I just put them on the ground instead of disposing them offsite yeah I I think potential landscape feature at the
end but again I would just for the commission's knowledge they're not buried blocks no they're not so with regards to the original plan in the lighter gray it appears that there's supposed to be curbing around there is there is
supposed to be curving there's no curving as well as part of the final so as part of the this is a temporary certificate of occupancy so everything's not completely f like there's no top coat on site everything's at binder
so as part of the final certificate of occupancy you would have your lommen seed you'd have your curbing you'd have all that that gets filed with the town and then between and the commission will also need a certificate of compliance
which would be a final as bill as well when the curbing finally goes in does the curbing get placed on top of the pavement or does it go extend even beyond the EOP so it's on No on top of the edge of pavement and then you top to
it okay so yeah we're not adding another foot foot foot and a half from that edge of line yes yep you said it was a thousand feet of additional paint across the entire side do you know about how much is in our
jurisdiction i don't and the only reason I say that is it probably a good chunk of it because again where the concrete pad is that's the majority of it yeah because it is so if you look on the plan the
concrete pad was supposed to go over here it is now shifted over here there was a planting plan for this area right here it is now all paved um and additional pavement was put up here because of an issue with the ADA
compliance to the entrance so the pavement was bumped out here and there may have been a little extra added in this section but the majority of it I would say is within the buffer yeah so where on the screen if you see the red circle between the red circle and the
concrete pad that's the majority of it i mean there is an extra I would have guessed two to three feet going out beyond closer to the uh and then what was approved from this end on over here and to your point Heather about the
jurisdiction as well like if we're asking for remediation we can't control whether they end up doing anything in the front we no we can only control what's going on in the back and just so you know too as part of it there is uh this change in here which only the bottom of it falls falls into our
jurisdiction here a little bit this was all supposed to be lom and seed with uh vegetation planted and now it's supposed to be rip wrap so I I would say with that that will be taken out that's more of a it's kind of
a temporary construction erosion control okay because you're I mean the butter is really close to the building and like I said with all the disturbances going on it just it honestly makes it easier and cleaner just to keep ripper out there to help stabilize everything yeah so you're going to keep it No no for now and then
then we do the final site work right the final site work yeah it's going to stay there for now but as part of the final co would go back to that we're going to go back to landscape yes lom seed land and plant things so that's what we want that's what I was trying to get to yep
all right yeah and that's with this being a progress as there's a lot of things on here that aren't shown because they're not done are shown because they're there as part of ongoing construction that won't be
there when you get the final as built for the final CO so it there's a lot of moving parts here and I just want to make sure everyone's clear on it the the biggest thing is yes we know that the
paving contractor paid them way more than what he should have the wall being built where it was built pushed everything out trying to see it on site again during just trying to see on site it is hard to you know you go out there and
you're like everything looks like it's supposed to be doing what it's doing and then you get on a plan and you actually see it from 1,000 ft and go yep they missed and this was also
done during the fall and the winter so some of the edge of pavement was covered with snow so you can't if you surveyors can't see it surveyor can't shoot it so there's a lot of factors in here but
again we know what the issues are acknowledge the issues we want to fix the issues and we want the commission's input on how they would prefer to see it done and keep in mind with trying to
meet parking drive aisles because we do have to maintain 20 ft for fire department access we do have to maintain whether and you'll see in the options whether it's perpendicular spaces parallel spaces we do have to maintain
the parking space size per zoning so my goal tonight is to come to some sort of agreement like I said I have three options that I think cover everything that we could probably do and
if we walk away tonight saying "Well I like part of this one i like part of that one." That's absolutely fine i'm not stuck to one of the three i just wanted to give the commission kind of a broad scope of what we could potentially
do here to come to a resolution do you have anything to add Heather before we see those three options um not yet okay just one just one final thing on there just so you know it's existing site does have binder pavement on it
it's not to final has binder paving it's not to final grade there wouldn't have to be final grading on there because as it currently sits now the storm water is flowing from the street down straight to the back and not flowing in any certain d it just goes straight back yeah so
before we move I can I'll explain that so when you look at the site right now you come off Park Street which is on the far right you come down the drive and you can see the five lines kind of in
the middle of the page that's where your grades start going down to the back so there is a break point in those contours where some of it does sheet towards the stone wall that's shown some of it does
come down around the corner and into the lower parking field some of the as part of the final paving things like that that gradient will be readjusted to direct the flow
and again there's going to be curving there so this isn't even in the final it's not going to sheep right off site it's going to hit the curbing yeah it's it's the original design was to come in and go there hit the curve and run along the curb and come down and get to that it'll still do that in the final
condition once everything's done just right now again because there's no carbine because there's nothing in the way it's graded it's not finished so it's not working right exactly okay just just so you know going forward because there there's
going to be questions and requests made so just so you know what the site looks like now yep okay just going back to the house or the building whatever yeah the concrete wall that's there just to the left of where it says
deck stairs yes yes was that always where the end of the building was supposed to be no so the building is actually pretty close to give or take how how the surveyor can get the shot on the corner of the
building is that the dotted line going top to bottom so the the box that says twotory building so that was an interior walkway that that was shown on the original plan what was an interior
walkway that dotted line so between the edge of building yeah where the hatch marks are inside there was an interior walkway okay on our plans if we have major corridors like that we show a dotted line just to say this is separate
from what's being usable area so that's what that do line is so I did so I we originally had walkways which you could again overlaying everything makes it a
little messy to see but there was a walkway underneath Mhm where the deck stairs are the issue is by building out that retaining wall they built it out three feet four feet further
than 3 ft 4T further than what we had originally talked about when we made the change and that's why you're seeing three to four feet on the opposite side with the edge of pavement so the retaining wall was So the retain
the retaining wall was supposed to be closer to the building they bumped it out which then three to four feet three to four feet which you chased that through oh then the building got No no so the building's good okay retain wall
was supposed to be here retain wall got built here right so from here now we do measurements for edge of pavement but because it came out further than what it should have that's why you see on the
left hand side a little bit of pavement beyond a couple three to four feet beyond the approved edge of pavement so that now again I can't explain why they
came down and squared off to the concrete pad instead of coming up like the plan showed m so that that's kind of where there was someone missed it pushed the measurements off but then again I
can't give you an explan I really can't i would love to and say he did for this reason but even I was looking at it going why well as soon as it was brought up that we're putting in a concrete wall
3 ft from the original location so who's who's the site supervisor that's not saying ding ding ding so it wasn't to change the plan to make sure we don't encroach so it that's what I'm getting at it wasn't talked about moving it 3 ft from where that wall was
supposed to be back tighter to the building so they just they just did it without asking i think they moved it just they didn't everything that's not wasn't approved in the plan was just done without prior approval either from us
nor planning board because this would all be a minor would have to be a site plan modification none of that was requested and it was only found out because it was found out with the temporary occupancy yeah with the progress as
built i guess I I have a hard time thinking that we just found out when we looked for that it's under construction it's been under construction for months on end um the site's been like being reviewed owner whomever is checking on
it weekly daily whatever i mean you realize that the walls been definitely not what we were planning to do and so now it's just being identified i guess that's a little odd but okay let's see what the proposals
are so this is option one and I'll go through it i'll start on the right hand side yes it is outside the 100 foot buffer zone for the commission but just so you have an idea of what we're doing
the gray hatch there is the gray hatch with the red line is the limit of payment up at the front there we would be proposing to remove that tie the entrance back into the existing curb cut
and that gray area would become lom seed landscaping so pavement goes away grass and landscaping goes back in that place we would probably put granite
carb along the edge of hatching just to separate the ADA walkway from the grass area as you move page left we're still showing where the one with a circle is
we're showing one parallel parking space there and then to the left of that we would restore that landscape island as close as to what was approved
keeping in mind that with the revised layout up top maintain the 20 foot for the fire department access and then showing where the parking spaces would be that would be pavement removed lman
seed plantings back in place so if you go page up from that landscaped area I'm showing that we can still maintain the five parking spaces on the right yep right there so there was five parking spaces originally proposed along the walkway i can still maintain the five
parking spaces in front of the retaining wall as shown and then from there we come over 20 ft again maintaining fire department access they minimum 20 ft is what they wanted so with this
option I'm showing two parking spaces down by the concrete pad as placed out there today i'm showing a landscaped area in that area would
be that would be wman seed i would propose a New England wetland seed mix there since we're in the buffer zone in plantings and then again I'm showing two more spaces 9 by18 and then on the other side again
the red line would be edge of pavement and the gray hatch would be pavement removed and lman seed wetland seed mix and plantings so this one maintains the four 9 by18 spaces that we originally showed again
it's a little bit of a different layout but this one the intent is to rip away as much pavement as possible as close to that drainage swale as we can which is shown on the page left in the blue teal
color there so this would this could be a potential option before we move on what are your thoughts what are your opinions my opinions mhm well my original opinion when I first saw this
and in my original thought was I would like to see it go back to the approved plan um apparently that's not an option um so well about trade expense not yet because of that retaining wall apparently it's not an option because we
have to retain that additional whatever fee on at some point in that buffer so knowing that it will not go back the way you knowing to and what are your thoughts on um on this plan as a whole um I don't like the two separate landscaped areas with parking in between
I feel like that's going to be too hard to maintain and one of them is going to end up being a trash pile Okay that's just my opinion on it all right you're going to have cars parking in between it they might throw stuff in there they might drop stuff out of their car they're not going to pick it up having those having that vegetation between I I don't think is going to be
is is going to be beneficial at all to break it up that way plan two number two do all three of your proposed plans leave that kind of random stone block wall thing hanging out there it's just left on the plans that was
something going back to working with the commission if that's something that the commission's adamant about removing I think we that can go and disappear so option two again working plan right
to plan left same thing doing the same thing up top still maintain the landscape aisle on the corner still maintain the five parking spaces this one we're still maintaining two
spaces up against the concrete pad the change of this one is the landscape there it gets modified a little bit we're showing two parallel parking spaces 9x22s and we're ripping again in the
gray hatch we would remove input woman and seed with the New England wetland seed mix back in the buffer zone the difference between I'll point this out now difference between both option one and options two and three is
options two and three do require us to put a little bit of pavement back in to square off parking spaces so where you see the note kind of at at
the top where the edge of the gray rectangle is that's about 35 square ft of payment that we would have to add again to maintain a zone compliant parallel parking space but this one we do pull
back the length of payment within the limits of what was approved again the trade-off would be we would have to square off and add a little bit of pavement at the end of the
parking space can you use the corner to show where the added pavement would go yeah it is sorry right here yep right in there oh okay so that amounts to how much it's about 35 square feet but we're looking at that
that I believe is in that 30 foot buffer zone and that's again we're closer we're putting the pavement it is closer to the jurisdictional swale we can't do this
so and that was the idea with option one is we're not on any pavement we're taking it all out we can have our four spots within the limits of the pavement shown and we could take out this one again we're pulling out pavement we are pulling it a little bit further away
from the swale than the previous one but again a slight trade-off would be to add about 35 square ft again just to square off the parking spot and keep in mind that again all these
options do get the project back to the impervious even with this addition we have a tradeoff that we can still make the numbers work and then on top of that at this if it makes commission feel better regarding storm
water there's an extra 300 square ft of imperous area that could be added to the infiltration basin and still meet the storm water requirements that was one thing I did discuss with the planner ideally I don't want to use any of that
excess volume I have in my basin but I don't want the commission to sit here and go "Wait you're adding is that going to affect your infiltration base?" It won't so this is number two yep thoughts on that Heather before we move oh I
don't like the additional pavement right okay it's It's closer um I do like the the removal of more on the on the side but I don't like the addition on there at all so option three is same thing up up at the top same
thing with the island in the middle sorry let me let me make it full screen it makes it a little bit better still got the additional at that top corner left that's a little bit more yep so it's a little bit more that's probably 55 60 ft just because we turn the space
perpendicular instead of parallel but this removes the giant chunk of impervious that was paved next to the concrete pad so and what is code require how many
spots so this means I need 11 total including the handicap i have 11 right now so I have four on one side i have five up against the retaining wall that's my nine and then two up top at the building gives me the 11 and the 11 have to
be full size cars versus like so a small amount of compact units so based on the zoning the only time that it mentions compact spaces are allowed is if you have 50 or more
because cuz I did I did look at believe me do my full size my five full size come over 20 ft and I think compact and air is 8 by6 i I would love to but reading the zoning
it's not readily allowed unless you have you almost get into a commercial parking field so that that was that was something we did look at so
my opinion would be option one because we're not adding any pavement i know it's not ideal separating the landscaped areas but they are two larger landscaped areas that would tie into the
back so where it is around the light pole that that's a fairly sized landscaped area that's not a small It's not a small 3-ft one that you typically would see at the end of a parking field where everything dies that
grows on it and it just becomes dirt that would be sizable enough to maintain vegetation and then up at the top that one would blend into the existing site so that would become more natural growth
so I think this one or option two because the parallel does pull it away but I know that it is 30 it is only 35 ft but yes
we would need some additional payment just again it's only to square off the parking to make it compliant so with that like I said at the beginning if there's some maybe something in the middle we can come
to we're willing to work with the commission but I think the three options presented are really the three most viable and at least the three that have the best solid
base to start with how big does the parking space need to be so a perpendicular one needs to be 9 by8 a parallel needs to be 9 by 20 9 by 22 and there's no way to use that
additional pavement that was placed on the south side I guess so we're maximizing as much as we can with the two spaces there because from the second space where number two is 9 ft puts it
into where the light pole is so I'm beyond I'm in the light pole at the parking space that That's why we stopped with two there and then gave myself a couple feet off of No I'm sorry
i I didn't explain properly i'm talking on the south side closer to Park Street where the pavement kind of No so yeah so that is we can't do that because if we did put a parking space there we wouldn't
maintain the 20 ft from the edge of striping for fire department so the the dark hatching okay yep okay extending that pavement closer to the property line you couldn't do that that that pavement got bumped out as is okay
to make sure that fire department could get into the site okay so that edge of pavement is what is needs to be yes it is what it needs to be to I thought that was still excess so okay no and that was due to a project change due to the handicap the ADA accessible decking that
had to be added here okay that was a whole different That was a whole other story yeah is resolved building signed off on it fire department's okay with it but that edge of that dark line you see
there for the edge of pavement is what we had to do to get them to sign off and that didn't come before us because it's outside that's outside yes correct by the planning board no it has not the the none of the site plan modifications have been approved by the
planning board a town pointer at this time including the ADA change correct can we go to option two again mhm just forgive me it's a little slow so I like option two in the sense that
it it allows us to hopefully get to the correct less than a one by one yeah i I I I like it i like that one better myself it was your magic number six feet yeah um yes yeah
is so that's the the reason this is my second one is only because we are asking for some additional payment as part of the trade-off and with the coming here tonight of hey
we the contractor missed and overpaid we're gonna fix it by pulling payment away but we need to add It's kind of It's kind of a So do you need to have the um I'm going to say no where you have the light pole so can you show where
that is that light Oh the light pole the light pole's right here that guy right there yep is there is there a reason why we can't take those two parallel spots and shift them south so that the front of parking I think they're both marked parking spot
two but basically light pole I'm just counting how many one two one two okay so right above where she has the cursor you can see the solid red line that would be I don't know if you could zoom in a little here yeah uh yeah
that is there a way you can zoom in just Can't no no that's all right i've been trying and I I can't I have to go out and then I can zoom in I think no you're good yeah no I I'll point to it just
don't touch it nope nope nope it's different it's different it's a touch screen it's a touch screen no oh it's not it's not like the old TVs you could touch these ones they won't freak out i just want to make sure we have new ones don't do that so right here would be the edge of pavement for the start of the
parking spot it's about 2 ft off the light pole and then you have to keep in mind that I have a edge of pavement there's going to be a burm there too so I got to give a little I can't pave right up to the edge of light pole i got to give move the light pole
no conduits why because is the light pole in the approved location have we have we have we have we just figured that out yet i believe that one is the that's outside buffer outside jurisdiction i have to deal with Danny with that one but the one in the one
that we're looking at that one's in the that's in the proposed location yes I believe it's slightly there was that question it was just hard to tell because of all the pavement on site yes no one would know if you moved it 3 ft like a concrete wall how easy is it to
move a light pole this is not there yet it's not there oh it's No it's there oh no there phrasing the question this way because it's it poured conduits into it the problem the conduit the problem is the conduit one runs from the light pole
in the middle of the parking lot to the one that we're talking about now so it it's under the pavement so we'd have to cut the parking lot apart to get to it yeah so where I'm sorry where where's your condo running from justin can you show the the one with the
bump up by the handicap spot the that lay post so it picks up that lay post and it goes all the way down to the one by the dumpster pad and feeds that way under the pavement under the pavement correct believe me if the light post wasn't there this would be a much easier
conversation does it terminate there no I No I I think it feeds I would figure it goes from here and it feeds to the next one down at the end here which again I'm a couple feet off that one too
i'm I'm squeezing these parallel spaces it's tight in between it's like the light posts were made for parallel spots i mean it's it's it's close it's close what is anything does this do to the snow storage proposal site
snow storage was still proposed to be on the backside curb and hauled off by private contractor as needed that we would still it was in the it was in the order condition to have it allowed in the in the in the buffer like that okay
yep just I'm just making sure so I you're telling me that light post that's in the added pavement that you needed that still passes the distance that the fire department's requiring
that you paved around it like putting a telephone pole in the middle of a street it's so it's not in the middle not that one the one down there this one yeah i have 20 feet here i have 20.2 feet here
so I have more than 20 ft in here so that light pole being on the edge there in the pavement is not an issue no they'll ideally have to be marked out as a a blocked off area mhm
would that baller maybe yeah if and that's not going to limit that distance and encroach and you you've got more than enough room yep we're good up there that
was a headache in its own right that we got again we got fire and building to agree to that again with the light pole where where it is and we're currently paved all the way to the left they paved around the light
post that you can't move so they paved yes don't again I can't speak for the former contractor this this light pole here is pavement all around it and it's not enough to really be like oh I could park a car behind it's it it's just there
the only thing I can think is that on the original plan it did say snow storage between the lay post and the dumpster and they might have thought that that was asphalt that's the only that's that's that's here that's
not here well again this this here is a result of the retaining wall so we're fighting two things right now
that because of the retaining wall when they did their measurements coming out that's why they're a couple feet beyond what was approved to what we're showing and as Mike said they might have le took
a leap and oh snow surge will pave it so they can put it there i I've never seen that usually snowstorm shown on plan is a rep cloud and it's just yep okay when the guy comes down he's going to push the snow he's going
to put it down doesn't have to be picked so but it's the best working theory that we have i like that any other questions so just not to like push on the light
pole thing but the amount of tear if we went with plan two option two and you'd be tearing up all this all the asphalt around the light pole but that isn't sufficient to move like move the conduit no because I understand like where it's where it's going and that's that's really it slice it and move it no if you
do that it has to be any slice has to be above ground in a junction box and it's just it's a bigger nightmare than work thank you for explaining so you've been handed a big problem i understand that you're cleaning up somebody else's mess yep but there is a
big mess there is a mess it does uh does anyone want to go out and look at this would that help anyone to have put eyes on this i wouldn't mind we're going out on Saturday we're going out on Saturday on
a sidewalk anyway yep can we plug you in i think I can be there can you two be there if I can't okay can the commissioners be there what time do you think we have we're on Pine Street at 9 so I can't imagine Pine
Street being too long right probably be here around what 9:30 9:30 probably the 9:30 around 9:30 9:30 yeah i think I can think I can make that work worst case
yeah no but yeah rain we love the rain and it was raining pretty good if I remember yeah it was cold it was so 9:30 are we able to park on site i know
there's lots of asphalt yes [Laughter] plenty of room i just sure if there's construction vehicles and stuff no no no you'll you'll be able to pull in the only thing that's on site is the PA and I had them pull it out as far from the
buffer as we could so anything else before no thanks very is that question still on the table of the occupant temporary occupancy ideally yes um would this be
something trying to figure this out the right way so so she's trying to get her temporary occupancies signed off other than the payment issue the other outstanding issues have been addressed with the planner on how that they're to be
resolved understand this 5CO come and understand that the work is going to be um there's going to be remediation done on this site that's why I had the contractor come tonight to talk about what's viable what's not what can
be done so the planner is if the commission is willing to make a decision one way or the other and allow Miss Golden to move forward he
could sign the TCO tomorrow so they can at least start getting the business in i know the commission wants to walk on the site on Saturday totally fine we can meet there on site i would just like to not have
her TCO held up cuz again we know there's a solution i think we're my feeling is we're leaning towards option two maybe option two modified slightly depend on what we can do
but knowing that with the rain season again this would all be final stabilized at the right time we don't want to do it now and have it get washed out with the heavy rains and again the final certificate of occupancy will
need an asillable bowl for the planning department as part of the storm permit and a certifi certificate of compliance would have to be filed with the commission to close out the order condition which they would you would also receive the as built as well and at
that time if there hopefully there aren't any outstanding issues left the final sale wouldn't be signed off on so if the commission
could give a blessing of moving forward with the TCO we can again we can still meet on site can still offline work through what option is the viable one and go forward
with that i would just like Miss Gold not to walk away with a TCO tomorrow from the plant department and or sorry building department plant department to give the blessing for the building department to issue the TCO right well
something like that something like that yeah is basically when planning walked it they said that if whatever when conservation gives a blessing it's it's all blessing for the the TC that's and
if I could add um I I feel terrible this happened i'm very sorry um and I do feel bad that I have a business waiting to be moved in there i've already pushed her out enough um and she's been suffering clients pushed out she's a very established business been eight years she has a ton of following and they're
all patiently waiting to be serviced in this brand new very luxury um salon so I would hate for the mistakes that myself and my contractors made to affect her business financially um so again it would be very appreciated would this just be the occupancy permit for the
business not the residents yes it would be no the residents are ready too but if it makes the commission better I still have to get them professionally cleaned touch-up paint um there's still a little bit more yeah I got to get them staged and then put list them and then so I don't expect the upstairs for like
another month or two the the biggest one would be for the business to get the business in and get the business going that that's the big push so so again sitewalk absolutely fine
obviously willing to still work through this if it's Heather and I communicate offline if we do have whenever your next mean is if we come back and need to still have a discussion absolutely fine it would just be a huge help if we could
get a blessing for them to move forward and have Bill sign the TCO what are your thoughts Jess before we did that do we have any people in the audience who need want to speak to this oh is there anyone out there that would
[Laughter] I'm the business owner she's talking about so I just came here to support with my team i do have a things I could say but I just um if I do I'd rather talk up there i like totally if you guys
want to talk I'll come up there but like this is the only reason why I'm here is because this is this is this is the people that I work with this is my manager this is my vice manager we have been patiently waiting i have drained all of my savings i am We all have we
have I'm working two places i believed in Alli's dream i have owned a business in Shirley i specifically did a ton of research before moving to this town and taking an opportunity like this because you guys are so small business focused you guys did a ton of stuff for COVID
relief it does great for my business because of the commuter rail i plan to bring nothing but positivity to this town being you know like again not trying to be anything more in the sense of like I am stylish i plan to bring so much good here and I know Ally in the
sense that she's been doing everything right you know the handicap was a lot of work parking spot Justin's works so diligently i can't even tell you how much Mike has been out there to try to fix somebody's else mistakes like if I can just please get in there because I am on the break of nothing and I have
came to the town several times and I've came out of like I just want you to know I'm just speaking for Zebra with a person that chose to move their business from another town to here i'm investing in this town because I believe in it so I'm just begging for some mercy so I can please open my doors all right well
thank you for that your thoughts um on on issuing a with with the knowledge that we're going to wind up with a remediation option i don't have a problem with blessing temporary Jen agreed because it's the temporary
i'm okay with temporary but just for the business I want to limit it at that a minimum right i think that's what they would do yeah yeah it's totally fine well well you indicated possibly a month or two before maybe the apartments were ready but And we would hope that this is
complete yeah and the remediation should be Yeah we would hope to have the remediation work done before the second floor would be ready and on the plantings and the grading I would say yeah part of Well I'm just saying you
issue a temporary certificate occupancy yes to be limited to the business as opposed to the whole building yes right yes i can pass that that along if that's what the commission um is my only question on the whole temporar obviously we got to get the dumpster in on site
right in order before we open there's no dumpster on site so if we're going to open a salon we business we need a a dumpster on site and parking so is it going to be requiring that the parking be like somehow marked out or is it just going to be a quote unquote like I want to say like a free-for-all with the
additional payment that's out there can we make that request that so do you want get temporary striping for some of the parking Try to keep it i got I've got some paint we just try to keep it as far as to we're not using some of that additional pavement for now cuz with the
salon you don't need all 11 spaces right now right we can try to keep it to the wall stripe that i mean you might but and I would I would try like to keep that away from that if we could because we're just doing a temporary at this point so with that um would the I know it
wouldn't be fully if the commission's lean towards the parallel this is what I'm going off of we can't fit that other space but we could paint out we could definitely paint out the five on the wall and we could paint out some by the concrete pad
and then we'll just leave that one where we're looking for additional pavement leave that one unmarked so we'll have 10 that we could really use paint it out and we'll paint it out so that way states and just kind of Yeah just
try to paint just my thought just I mean because you're going to need it help guide people just guide people so we're not using the additional pavement for now people as well yeah yeah it's all I just is just as my my opinion on my thoughts on it to try
to keep it away from that additional payment at this moment and just you know to like obviously we going on site whatever you are going to have a dumpster out there too so that will be accessed and and cleaned out okay before we go George what are your thoughts so
if I understand this right basically we're going ahead on a handshake we're saying correct and nothing gets written down till the uh the very end mhm okay yeah I'm all right with that as
long as we understand that right and again I just I went through this last night in another town kind of same thing and there's a final certificate of occupancy that has to come this is uh
Asel has to come back that the town does have leverage at the end of this project to hold it up if it if there are things that aren't met or if there's unresolved issues so it's not a free I don't want you to think it's a free pass
to have at it there is one more big hurdle that we'll have to come back in front the commission and the board for how long is it temporary for i don't know i'd have to ask the We can limit that to building inspector
what is it i don't have a problem i don't I think limiting it would be but here say what I think that's what George is kind of getting at yeah kind of thing okay so we're all good
awesome so all good for the whole temp or partial temp partial the business the business end you're good on the business end and then we'll work through the rest and go forward we'll let the building department know in the morning perfect awesome and this will let you get inside
and start setting up for the business yes uh when when will that begin a minute after you get the if they're signing 10:01 on Well I said the building department will
issue it most likely tomorrow yeah given that it'll it'll it'll get it'll get the parking area will get striped but I can't assume that if it opens tomorrow that there'll be people there on Saturday i don't imagine it would take that fast but I will do whatever
i I would theor theoretically probably I would say a couple days a couple days probably to paint out probably wait till wait till this rain goes away because because they're talking rain tomorrow snow Saturday
snow Monday one day i know we've got a we've got a big pour on Tuesday so yeah no and the the the the um Oh the um Yeah it's just going to rain so the the the painting that's that's entirely up to the commission if you want because of the rain if you want to
just use cones to block off certain areas for now because we can't paint to not hold things up that's fine i just I would like to see that additional paving that encroach some sort of barrier not used cuz I just my our luck right a car had parked there and all of a sudden
like oil plug drops out and just leaks in like I just No no no I I like that I there's been enough headaches here I we don't need to offer more we have cones on site that can just for now until we until the weather turns to get it
painted and still have that as a requirement but I know just the weather isn't right now you guys know what to do i think so i think so best of luck to you thanks this is the story of my life i call
myself a dust man uber I like that like I feel like it's running every like 30 minutes or more and then just it's fun we'll see you Saturday morning in the liquid sunshine definitely them i will do my best to be
there okay very good awesome good to see you guys thank you thank you everyone have a good evening you too thank you enjoy your cookies would you care for one you want to i really want to know what You know what pass them around it's been a long day what are they it's It's
called a fruity doodle it's got dried or freeze-dried oh it's got freeze-dried stuff they're delicious i just want to I'm going to shake all your guys' hands if that's okay i just I want to thank you so much thank you get me [Applause]
so you make these no no his wife does oh you're very welcome appreciate you thank you so much i really Thank you guys so much so I my bank account and my debt and my
collector come yeah I mean I still have some things I can do but you guys I'll be in there all night thank you i can't thank you guys enough thank you so much and the building's looking good thank you yeah it really is
yeah compared to what it was thank you thank you oh you're welcome thank you Jennifer okay [Music] i think we made some people happy that video on Facebook put that video on
Facebook remember that town meeting with well technically on YouTube no matter what so okay so next item on your agenda the open space recreation plan extension due
10 years so I found out from the state the letter came in on April 2nd i somehow missed it but I did find out from another agent the um state is now offering any uh open space and recreation plan that has been approved
in the last seven years to request an extension for an additional three years um we just have to send some sort of letter and update our action plan um to get that seven-year plan to go be good for
10 usually expire 2028 um I thought we had until September um to have this to like our plan expired till September of this year it actually expires the end of May oh it's coming so
um we need to do this um I don't know if any of you were a part of writing that action writing the recreation plan cpc um so I I did find thankfully because I don't have any of this
documentation in a file i did somehow manage to find the action task like a draft of that we just have to modify it to make it to a 10-year plan and then I guess I'm submit some sort of letter so I just let you all know and ask if anybody
knows what or how or what I need to do to to because I I did was find if anybody randomly had something janet Pradas would also be good to talk to or actually Beth Sudire yes she was in charge of the I know she wrote it yeah
well it was sort of group written too but it was you used the school in Yeah no yeah and they did not give us a good a computer copy electronic copy I work with um who's the fellow that used to be
the Nasha River Watershed i'm blanking on his name um Al Futterman oh Al Futterman okay i know I know him he was contracted at the very end to take and sort of work it into something technically for technical so I
will So I'll try to reach out to Beth yeah so Beth and Al if he has for any strange reason like I said I did find the draft like spreadsheet of the action plan which is basically all I needed to modify and submit i just got to match
that up to what I have in my the plan up in my bookshelf and then I think it's just one other thing I have like a request to do it so I was going to verify that that's it but um Beth Beth was in charge of the open space recreation plan okay update yes yeah so
we we do we we will be having to ask that for extension because I I I literally I'm like "Oh I think it's due soon." And Dan's like "Oh you have to do it this year." I'm like "Oh okay." And then I got the this notice and I'm like "Oh you can go to the state's website and see." And it said ours was May 30th i was like "Oh I it's the date on the
plan says September." I thought I had till September which still wasn't enough time but that's okay but this this is great this is just so you guys know where we are at with that um on things that not every agent has to deal with i've never actually gone
through but they are doing a nice Yes it's a 10-year action plan so we just have to update the action plan to make it for 10 years as opposed to seven so I'll be going through and updating that and send it out to anybody if they want to look through it yeah make sure just
Beth Yeah we'll reach out to Beth okay okay all right very good um under updates there's one item that's not on the agenda that came to me yesterday and it is in regards to the West Main Street bridge replacement um
we had the pre-construction meeting for that about a week week and a half ago um the contractor had called me and there is no good place to stage for this project because
it's a tight neighborhood being over by West Main Street the thought is to keep equipment at the DPW and do staging there and use the existing cart path that's behind there that comes out through right here the issue with that
is is the culvert is collapsed so they will have to put a temporary bridge out on site is this the infamous culvert there is a beaver deceiver out there so probably isn't that culvert i think the one you're talking about isn't it more
to the There's a couple of them out there this is So this is if you're at the DPW space i think I think this is it i think cuz this was the one that collapsed it's it's open yeah oh yeah it's a It's a corrugated pipe that looks like it's either collapsed and or opened
or Yeah it's a it's a mess um I do have something fixed that already that's why I'm thinking it's not the same one because I thought there was one further that way well there's fence there's fence that lays down that there's two cars okay but the other one was the one that
or maybe was already collapsed or whatever so that was the one that was plugged up with the beaver debris and they just ripped it out yeah that one okay so that's there is another one that's out there it might not be this one there's a couple of them out there but So there So that's the request i did
print the email out for you guys to review to see what work would entail on it i did go out and look at the site today and when I did that um I have some pictures i did notice that there was
um a small pine tree that will actually have to come out in order to put this in mhm um but they did they did have listening oh some vegetation like it's a it's a pine tree how big um I would say it's probably
about five to about five feet tall oh five feet diameter no no it's not like a pine tree it was it was a Oh yeah pictures aren't going to work of course not they're not going to work that's okay i tried
um anyway uh so there is there is that um but they do see they show up there but they're not opening um anyway there is there is just so they have it in there um my thought is obviously we're going to have to do some sort of filing on it they're they're fine with whatever the commission decides um I don't
because they think "Oh it's an exempted project because of the vegetation clearing." And they in in that email I I noticed that they have to bring some fill in to buff up the sides um they are proposing erosion controls so I just not
sure what we're going to ask them to file to do this um because it will be a temporary disturbance once the construction is is completed um for just I think about two years that what's the other option
though we'll come instead of doing that instead of doing that they'd have to drive everything all the way around and try to stage in the neighborhood and that's not a good area why there's not a lot of neighborhood right
where that I mean yeah there's not a lot of driveways or anything in that area but if you go over the bridge where they wanted to put in the units or whatever right isn't that massively open nothing there
looking might have private they'd have to like what rent it or something because it's not a town property right i mean it would be a temporary like most temporary bridge structures it would just sit there um they say how much fill i think they just say fill i don't think
he specifies how much bell would have to be brought in you're saying going beyond it further west plaza right mhm oh that big oh yeah yeah the plaza oh that's so much further down
the street it's inside of the driving vehicles down you said right uh the proposed access road paint the pump benefit proposed materials on hand um sheet piles pipes bike up and backup equipment will be
stored in the DPWR so it would be to bring that additional trucking between DPWR and the project will add to heavy traffic trips and increase yeah that's the other thing is too because they're going to they're going to have the road closed off one lane so if they're going
outside of this they're going to sit in that traffic to bring equipment in yeah i think there's safety issues there probably i'm sure yeah so yeah that's that's the issue with that so because
with this they're able Oh what am I touch i hate this thing okay it's it's late they won't do anymore it brings everything right into the straight where this project's already closed off here and here in one lane if they're having to bring anything outside of this way or this way like
you're saying for the music they have to sit in that traffic that's backed up to bring equipment in we'll have a police detail correct yeah but that's um they haven't I think they were talking if they have a police detail um to start um they're not sure
if they're going to need one the whole time because it'll be one of those ad hoc traffic lights oh yeah that's a lot of traffic on that road yeah they're they are going to be doing a lot of outreach and signage um before the closure starts to tell people to try to
find alternate routes to try to minimize that back up what alternate routes to donuts go through Devon's come back around yeah that's really donuts we really want donuts at that point but so this is
a an option to keep that from happening to have it would make it would make speed up construction too so I think if you're adding it where they're driving out and coming in you're probably going to add a half a day's work depending on the traffic each day or every two days
just in truck traffic and just in trafficking to try to bring stuff in over two years that's going to add up um I I did walk out the site that beyond just where that culvert is that it's
pretty clear um it's not like overly grown it's basically more or less just in that 11 foot span that that culvert is collapsed on either side that has the vegetation and tree that might have to be that's going to have to be removed and leveled out everything else is
pretty much there it's it's clear do you know what I mean it's not really overgrown it's been I don't know how it's been maintained but it whether they've obviously they must have used it to access it to get to the I don't even know if they've used that to access anything i don't know why it stayed so clear but it is and what's involved with
putting it in temporary bridge um it's a it's a regular structure so they have something that's built or something that's just plpped down it's something that's already it's it's already built they just put it down so they just have to do the the vegetation clearing and bring in some fill to level off the the
side to get it out there and um they will have erosion controls out on site this is this is where the billboard is right that's Yeah the billboard is Yeah okay do we own all that property yeah it's an easement
yeah yeah there's an easement there that's why they're using it it needs been for the road mhm rda to start at least that's what I would That's what my suggestion would be to the because it is temporary disturbance and existing car so whether
it gets conditioned to the point where whatever they're putting in there has to be remediated back with they're taking something out are we going to ask them to replanted a tree um is it something that the DPW at this point then would be like oh since we did that we're going to
want to go through and redo this i I don't know do they own the temporary bridge or are they the con the construction company will have that and bring it on site they have those i said it's like 11 is it 12 foot span there's a cost to that
i'm sure it's added into the contract so the only things I said there looks like it says they're going to the contractor bid the project with the assumption that material was going to be stored at DPW and they would have to I don't I don't I don't know if they if
this aspect of it was into the existing contract dan this is this is that's I thought you just said you said that that would have been the temporary bridge would have been No no temporary bridge is already it's it's not like they're building it on site they have one if it
was build if I if you said build instead of build I I misunderstood you and I apologize i I don't know this is DPW's um suggestion um in rec and this is how they would like to bring stuff in i guess what I'm saying
is if the built bridge that will be placed in in the location was part of the bid the anticipation was always that the material was going to be at DPW i don't know that part of it
okay so let's assume it's a change order so they had a change order to say well what would it cost us to put a bridge over this piece so there must be a price component to that and again is there any difference in that as opposed to going down the
street and dumping it off of that big wide open space that's all paved and grally and and yucky already that you'd have to pay someone to rent no different than paying for it i'm just I'm just I'm just trying to like you know figuring it out when they come in with their RDA
yeah I think we should have them do that and see what they say see what the plan is all right okay so yeah I'll I'll mention them to to file for an RDA for this and
we'll have them come in and we'll hash it out and see how it it looks sounds like a plan okay i did yes i said I walked by today yeah i was surprised how clear it was because I asked him i go "Where is it?" He's like "Oh just walk behind the water department you'll see it." And I'm like walking outside and I
look "Oh yeah there it is it's it's it's clear as day that that's where it is and then you get to the end like oh can't keep going cuz it's it's gone it goes up like the elevation's not the greatest so I my my question would be would they have to do any grading for
cuz it's kind of bumpy but if they're just going to anticipate that then yeah no I mean it's only a couple hundred feet as opposed to you know quarter mile the truck stuff so would we [Music] require matting throughout that area
yeah we can require we can put it so my thought on it is we'd have to do some sort of permit that's why I told the gentleman when he called just to condition it because with that Bay of Culver if we get another really wet summer and beavers get active and the water level rises like condition when it when it can't be used or something like
that just because I'm afraid if it got really muddy because it is a dirt road like there's certain I think aspects to it that would have to be conditioned in order to allow it um so yeah I think like when we were out there I believe you were saying when we got heavy rains
right the NHoba backs up yeah it does yep yeah yeah yeah so yeah this is all part of the flood plane for the Nova so if Nasha River um flows it backs this it backs up into here right which would then go that way too so it'd be one of
those so that was my thought it would have to be some sort of permit so it could be conditioned yeah if they and they're and they and they fully anticipate and are willing to do whatever permit that the commission requests and if it was rainy they probably have construction
mats accessible like they used at the oil spill to get through all that yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking right i mean when when grid comes in and all time put in new structures essentially almost the whole rightway is
matted right yeah national grid yeah they so that's I mean it's something we can look at and ask and but yeah I figured it would have to be conditioned at some point but I just wanted to let you know that so I will notify them tomorrow about filing an RDA maybe we can have that on the 24th
okay sounds good all right very good um when we're finished with our updates all right i just Okay is it okay i just I don't think you guys saw my hand but I just had questions about the um Oh at the beginning i didn't I did not see your hand oh the OSR the update so I
just have questions about that um just Well we'll finish up with Yes no I apologize i just wanted state that because I know you guys are working okay absolutely we'll take a little recess any more updates okay so just
real quick um we're getting busy in regards to beginning of construction so we like I said we had the West Main Street one about two weeks ago we have BL Street last week um they should be installing the erosion controls for that um beginning of next week um so that
project will be starting over on BL Street for the drainage work and water lines um Stratton Hill um pre-construction meeting will be we're doing on Monday on the erosion controls on that one lot
sooner than we all road Yeah than we all anticip um Cambridge Street for the drainage work up there um that pre-construction meeting should be in about a week or uh about next month sometime monday I did go to the tree uh
hearing for the public street trees for those um I did go out and look at the ones on on Snake Hill Road in the in the rain cold rain on Monday i'm like walking in the cold ring um I did mention to to Dan about trying to leave a stag on those and not cutting them
flush um I I guess these a lot of them fall down it's all part of the the tree management plan that the DPW had done back when Mark was still um the superintendent so phase one was identifying all the trees
phase two is then removing the trees and then stage three would be go through and then start replanting so they're in the second phase of this and going forward and hopefully in the next year or so they'll be starting to replant trees um some of those some of the dead trees are fairly healthy and that which sounds
ridiculous but they they're not falling down they're not No they're not they are pretty sol yeah and right when you have all these wind storms if they were that dead like you think they would have fallen in the lake by now and they hadn't um so some are really like this yeah so they so they
they won't put that note into the um the tree company they come and do try to try to leave that just because yeah they they are they're their bark's gone and they are just they're just ridden with bugs that birds are loving so hopefully they they'll do that on on those um I
did also mention to because there is three of them I think at least three over on the 71 Sandy Pond site that had signs as well that's my question and I asked the question i'm like do we want to add those in there cuz two of them are just like tall stumps they're not even a whole tree and and wait for that
until we figure out what's going on with that lot in case repurpose them for a match playground or whatever and I and I was outworldled on on that one really yeah and they said it would be better off to just remove it now and set it fresh so I mean I didn't I didn't
mention that um and because there's that cluster in the in the front of the corner yeah and it's not all the trees in there it's just one that's in there that's dead because remember when the original project for Muthier was proposed for that we didn't want all those taken down the plan was to take them all down and it's not now they're
only taken out one that that's dead or compromised two it might be two yeah yeah but like there's no bark on them they're like white good for a good for a car yeah one of them yeah so they there is so there is that but
so I mean I did I did see though because I I I was the only ones that I saw as I was leaving oh there's some over there like why don't we why don't we just wait and see but because the tree cup is already going to be in here they just figured it'd be easier on that so did it it's fine we did that
um that's about it it's getting late commissioners have anything mine would segue so I went to the planning board meeting uh Tuesday night about the OSRD and they
have um eliminated two of the proposed units going from 55 down to 53 the engineer there said I think that was partly in response to our you know not using the 50 more more
than not not putting a surface storm water basin within the minimum 50% however I I did go up and ask so uh because they've done they've created some more open space around the side oh good good
by the by the rock ledge area side on the going up towards the racetrack lot side it actually is publicly usable to from that neighborhood to get into the site but I did ask so uh how much
more than 50% do you now have and he said it's more didn't have a number and I said well what's the percentage of how big is the basin and also they're doing two sort of two lines water sewer that come together that will go from the
development and the basin down to got Harvard road where they want to put in another storm water treatment area that may or may not be underground underground um Rachel's husband did call in and and sort of question the engineer continuing to say this whole area will
remain undisturbed and he's like 30% of it won't remain undisturbed because when they put in that easement also so um but this wasn't apparently the meeting to fully discuss that in detail but I know they're doing the peer review of the
storm water yeah they are doing a what we suggested originally they're doing the peer review for the storm water drainage um I just want to uh sit on them to make sure they adhere to the 50% truly open space
um and when do they actually decide on the whole boundaries of what will be the CR land um I don't know because I didn't I didn't know that they had removed too lot so I don't think we have a new plan showing that yet yeah so I think we have to wait on that um and like I said I
said to you guys before um the commission's not required to take and hold any property as far as OSRDs so at any point because if you do read the OSRD rules and regulations easements are allowed in the open space um I know this
one's a little more difficult because there's a lot that will be in there for utility lines and stuff and easements for this one as opposed to other ones that we have um at no point is the commission required if you're uncomfortable with how the open space is laid out but the planning board approves
that we do not have to be the holders of the open space you know I'm um I'm I know the town and the state that the world needs more housing i just for OSRD designs I really want um I really
want to push for the the OS part remaining truly yeah and and again those those regulations were were were written in and passed prior to my those the regulations were written and passed prior to I was in my in between phases u
of the two positions so I didn't have any input on those so um I did at the time I was working on the committee with Jonathan and so it's one of those things that's in there again it's un it's one of those things
with this one because the the commission doesn't have any jurisdiction on it so it's one of the things where when we we make these suggestions is that we I made the suggestion to them in regards to the comments everything about the open space as far as the storm water just to make sure they still have the 50% having that
on the central a side they had those units and it was creating this this this thin strip of open space which I didn't like so maybe that's why they and we want they knew that to try to shift it and move things so I don't I don't know last I heard they were trying to make a new set of plans what we are on that
aspect of things but if at any point the commission is not comfortable with how the open space is laid out or how it looks or the easements that are cutting through it another entity will have to take it it will still be open space it just won't
be under the the control of the conservation commission over this is what he was showing i don't know if you could see that it's not it's my I'm sure it's something I could I could get from from Danny when he comes back he's out tomorrow but um yeah I mean I think either or will be re or uploaded I'm
sure to the town's website because he'll he'll do his best to keep that up to date like he did with strateg yes so my intention is to keep going because I just as a commission member and also as a resident who voted on an open space residential development bylaw I really
want to hold their feet to the fire on open space being true to the the spirit of it that's money somebody did point ask also why the town wasn't buying this trying to buy this
property and CPC did do this is now out of executive session they've been released but CPC did do appraisals of some of the properties there and you know first thing you have to have is somebody willing to sell the fields weren't willing to sell theirs the Hudland or the Hudland property other
property um they weren't willing to come down anywhere near the appraisal Guys so there were attempts made by the town i think Danny said the town wasn't interested that was I corrected that yeah no no it on a Yeah no the town
itself was was very certain entities might not on my end of conservation because of the price to I couldn't have gone for appraisal on it if they weren't going to meet it to try to go for a land grant on it it doesn't have unfortunately as strange as it sounds it doesn't have high conservation value
because there's no wetlands or endangered or anything like that on site it is valuable open space but on a conservation side it's not a high value property so um I would say my comments probably segue to anything
that Rachel Kazera would like to say sure do you want me to come yeah could you join us please and just state your name for the records please oh really um Rachel Kazera 30 GR Mar um yeah I um I just have questions
about I'm sorry you got me all flustered by your um talk about the the project but um I just I think um there are things that are worth saving i know that people say that
whoever decides what's worth conserving and what isn't i suppose it's just like today I was out there and um there's a whole family of buzzards that I think buzzards turkey vultures that um circle downtown and so with this project their
home is going to be destroyed so that that kind of fixture in the town that is consent will be um will be gone but anyway back to my questions um I just had um with regard to the update of the
OSRD are there um let's see will there be anything that's updated with um the refiling um are you reconfiguring it um um for the you have to the renewal for the OSR oh you mean
this is the open space recreation plan this is not an OSRD it's an open space recreation plan okay so I'm confused about that um so the open space recreation plan it's similar to the master plan the town has a master plan for planning and zoning type of stuff
there's also one on the on the open space and recreation side that covers all conservation and parks and wreck items so that plan is is similar to your master plan but it covers all the undeveloped open space and recreation properties in town townwide town wide oh
wait so does it have anything to do with um like the dealings that'll happen with um this proposed property it has nothing to do with that it's all town it's mostly just town owned property and vacant property all right well then that I'm sorry i'm trying to figure out it's hard because you hear you hear open
space and you're like is it because you're used to hearing the open so that's like that oh no this is the open space and recreation plan okay they're both the same acronyms osrd RP OSRD it was missing the D but then I just I didn't know if that was One's one's OSRD
one's OSRP yeah yeah cuz when they when I first saw it and I think someone called me on it I'm like "Oh I was like "Wait cuz I did the same thing and I had to stop and go." When I first read it I was like "Oh open space recreation open space development." Like "Oh is it like "Oh wait no." Okay yeah so yeah it's
it's on that it's it's for that so it's your parks department the conservation land where we'd like to see stuff go as far as adding addition of that doing invasive controls and stuff antenna stuff like that okay I'm I apologize that I I was misinformed and that we're
confused too and when that was done the plan was done um it it surveys residents too all those who either fill out the online survey or come to a public hearing and ask you know priorities of preservation of open space or
housing yeah you know so and there's usually fairly limited public input and I don't mean to say that that the habitat up there is uno that's the one thing that I disagreed when they did their submittal of their plans that they said "Oh there's no habitat." I go "Well
yes there is." Yeah it's just it's sad but there was no like endangered species when they said habitat like well yeah no but like there is habitat out there every woods has habitat every lawn has habitat so it's it's that aspect of it but unfortunately the state when you're applying for grants it's very
competitive so there's like was it eight or six or eight aspects of conservation if you're only meeting one of those you're like thrown at the bottom of the barrel um while other towns are are looking for projects that meet all of them so that's that's where that aspect at that point comes yeah i just um I
wonder um with regard to the runoff water i know my husband mentioned that most of that water is going to go to Flanigan Pond i want to say like through the drainage um system so I just wonder um just as a something in the future
would that you know adversely affect the the population of wildlife there um with just like pollution that's well that's when you go so so storm water does not get treated um so that that's just doesn't that's a a state thing so it's clean water it's
when you have which the state has a you cannot use phosphorus type fertilizers on your lawn which is where you typically see conservation commissions and people saying to not fertilize your lawn because of that aspect of it if you overfertilize or certain fertilizers
that you use or whatever when it rains it runs off rain water is clean it's what you swim in in a pond anyway it's the additional things that people put on their lawns or in their cars and wash their cars and commercial whatever soaps that they're using that that's where the
issues lie in so anything coming off of that that hill now because it's not developed and what whatever goes on there now same thing it won't be because it's still rain water whether his house is there or not it depends on what goes on and the maintenance of things all that be written in the decision so
that's not an issue it's all rain water no matter what it's what comes that gets collected as it goes down whether it's developed or not all that's there because you already have existing houses gotcha and I I just wonder with the um with the tree decimation um how that'll
affect the water like the the water how much is in Flanigan Pond are the people that are by that pond going to be like adversely affected oh that's it's it's so far off to understand because everything that's on there on that site the storm water system has to collect so
to try to change that um all that's calculated in the cleared areas for the storm water system gotcha and um though I would say they they will be doing some tree clearing below that basin when they do the the easement water sewer easement
down to Graten Harvard Road wonder what the impact of that'll be i mean that's a good question that would probably be they're going to be sending it to Green International to review i'm sure they'll factor in that calculation so they they're sending it out yeah so I'm sure
they'll factor in that calcul and it is to be grass anyway it's not going to be a pavement so it's going to infiltrate anyway it'll be it won't be it won't be an impervious area it'll be it'll still be impervious surface it's it's it's cleared so that it might I don't storm water i don't do those calculations but
I'm sure if you actually did it out it's like a tiny amount gotcha okay um I didn't mean to talk about that because I wasn't you were talking about it so I like it was okay all right well thank you guys so much okay before you go would you would you like My wife made
cookies and I'm all set but thank you we still We still have those associate yeah we still have associate members slot is wide open just saying you know several of us are more and more tempting as things change several of us are in
your 70s no yeah I know we do need I need to do an outreach for associate members how um how does that work with like being an associate you just come with Yep so what happens is um we have to have a quorum in order to hold a meeting so because it's a five member board we need three members to hold a
meeting and to do votes so for any reason John's not here jen's country what no because planning board they're associate member they're they're what do they call them on planning boards associate member
associate member they have voting privileges they do but because we do not have to have a special permit which requires a supermajority vote we don't have to we don't have that same option right but our associate member can't
vote associate member cannot vote unless So they could So if you came to all the meetings Yeah and for some reason so you heard the whole like there was three public hearings you hold all three and two three of these other guys could not be here you would have the right to vote
then no no no no because there was there was a town out in western Mass a few years ago that had that got something passed through the state legislature that allowed a conservation commission associate member for that town to have voting privileges they don't have voting
privileges no it's different from the planning board huh but it's for when some of us who are in our 70s start to step aside [Music] i I haven't dealt with those members so I apologize that's right you're going to move oh man
yeah but if you if if three people don't show up you could could she sit in and and and you still be able to hold the meeting no if we didn't have if we Yeah i don't If they're not a voting member then you wouldn't have any any rights at
all what no just discuss it's free cookies yeah that's all you're getting but also you know we could also copy that one town and go through our and try to get it we could do or we if
we had an exuberant amount of associate members and people really wanted to do it and be active members we could raise it from a five to seven member board it would be the same it would be the same aspect it' be a town meeting it would be that whole aspect of things but I mean it could I was a little it was a
separate member board this would be becoming an associate member for us would be just submit your name and stuff and then the select board select board do the appointment yeah appointment okay and and as an associate member we'd
still we still pay for Oh yeah we'd pay for the MACC ma mass association of so trainings and stuff if you had any interest in doing any sort of trainings through conservation you would we'd pay for the membership we we'd reimburse you for whatever classes you took i think twice a year they have a meeting maybe
one in um Holy Cross and the other here at Devon's a lot of different uh workshops presented including like habitat things you can do to try to preserve habitat which I I I'm sort of intuiting is well that was tonight it's an interest of
yours so a lot of really interesting on there any Other member updates oh then the other the other question I just think you know every time I drive by Oakidge drive by that one house where the tree is way
down in the water I think we should have I'm not sure should we discuss whether trees like that that go that far in should have to remain in the water so if they fall in the water they have they they the they stay
They they create habitat in the water or in the eggs you know fish will lay eggs and stuff under it is a thing is that per the state are you sure yeah i mentioned to DP like "Oh no they fall in the water." They stay i'm like "Oh okay."
What if it naturally fell in the water it stays so even if if it's on your property and it falls in the water you think it's likely you know you don't want it there you can't take it out you have to come to the conservation he need approval to take it out with disturbance
land under water because I know I know Jeff Tilton told me he one fell in his yard a maple tree fell i said "Okay." He if you want to come by and look at I said "All right." But yeah it fell they're just going to leave it but it does it creates it does create habitat in the water and it it will it'll it'll rot away a little bit
faster than if it was like standing because it is getting log you know water logged and stuff but no that's yeah it's it's a it's a good habitat for for fish for the laying their eggs and stuff and hiding how about nasty docks that are rotting away in the pond i brought this up
before shut up about it but Hey anything on those sheds speaking of I don't All right I'm done you're done anyone else oh uh next meeting is April 24th 24th we
will we will have we should hopefully have um Pine Street back um I sent everything to town manager's office to send out to town council for their opinion on that so we should have it back in time for the meeting they still
have not applied to the planning board yet at this time though either so Okay and that's before town meeting too so it is I will not be here for the next meeting i'm sorry what's What country are you going to now i I will still be an air oh
okay okay um Okay we'll miss you i'll miss you too you can do hybrid meetings if you want i don't think that's a good idea explain when we're off camera okay
um motion to adjurnn can we do hybrid meetings we can the the the state did allow the extension of that till June 27 um so it's up to the commission to decide if they would like to do hybrid meetings or continue to be only in
person if they are to be hybrid meetings we'd have to designate someone to run them i think in the early fall late summer early fall I may be looking at a uh knee replacement okay i I I in my opinion I think it's it would be
something that we could do on a on a meeting by meeting basis if we knew like oh in two weeks you know meeting one meeting in June we need to have someone zoom in we could do it that but to have it blanket that somebody has to run the Zoom every meeting do I have to still
read that preamble sure do and if there's anybody on anybody on Zoom as a commission on Zoom we have to do roll call oh that's right that's okay i don't mind that part but motion to adjurnn so moved second all in
favor say I i oppose nay passes unanimously oh boy that was a good