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Benoy at air.mma. us or 9787728220 extension 145 prior to the meeting. >> Trish, I couldn't have read it as well as you did. >> You know, it looks so short when you look in the profession.
>> I know. It's a lot. Very nicely done, I must say. >> Public input, >> madam chair. >> Yes. >> I had received a phone call from Amy McCoy. >> Okay. which I referred to you and I
think >> people were aware of it >> and she has an issue I believe with noise and I said to her if you wanted to address that to the board to come to the next meeting which I mentioned to you.
>> So Amy is here. >> So I'm here. >> Hello here. Hello. >> Hello Amy. >> Do you do you need me to >> Yeah. Come on up the table. >> Sure. come on up >> and tell us what's going on >> and be on camera. >> You can be on TV.
>> It's not like it's a closeup. So, >> okay. Okay. So, I I don't know. Um I mean, Steve knows a little bit about this. There's been some work in the town since I'm going to say 2023 about um I I
think we could do I'll stick to just I think noise is a is a bigger conversation to be having in the town of air because I think there's some >> there's a few noise pollution issues. Um you know um noise is not just a
>> an annoyance it's definitely harm's health. So I think I think the board of health is a good place to kind of address it from that standpoint. But but specifically that the reason I was coming today was to discuss
um the ongoing car racing that's happening at Waram Airfield. And I think and I've done some research with some um you know gathering records from records requests. >> Yeah. And and I think it's come I think
that it's getting to the point where it's possible or I maybe you could research um elevating this to mass D. I I think I think what's
happening is um is probably violating town noise ordinances and probably the state ordinances as well. So that's that's kind of it in a nutshell. >> So
yeah, I'm looking at the information that was sent over. So these are the um these are the folks that are doing the time trial. >> They're doing the autocross
>> Yeah. which is like they time them and then it goes. >> It's it's um the the one thing the few items that I've learned trying to you know researching I you know I kind of started this research with Alan Manoyan back in 2023. >> Okay. Yeah.
>> And um and also also with Janice Livingston and and um so we all we all been kind of looking into it. Um there was one never any public input from the town of air. Um never any
um never any um environmental review before before the program got started many many years ago. Um there have been other people who've brought up concerns
about it. Um I I can leave you, you know, kind of a packet of some >> some information that I found from, you know, just some of the um records requests. >> Um it it took me um records requests are
very difficult with um mass development, unfortunately. I had um >> Yeah, these are the like the noise records that >> Yeah. But I I had um I I did have to make a an an appeal to the state um to
Secretary Galvin's office to to get, you know, kind of kind of pushed the the records along um before I actually So I I made a I made an original records request in 2024 and it took me until January of 2026 to get
those records. It's a long time. So, do you know why they keep these records? was the >> it's part of it's part of Yeah, it's part of it's part of the agreement between >> deck mass development and um and the car
clubs, but part of what they're supposed to do is every I after every weekend event they are supposed to give the noise records to mass development. Um and so, you know,
they're just using these handheld. >> Yeah. >> It's it's not it's not very um objectively taken, right? The they're all handwritten >> noise reports and >> um I can show you what they
>> Yeah, I'm looking at the >> You guys You guys can take that. It's just a one packet, but that's what they look like. And so what do you know what is there? Is there a limit? How do they know if they're in or out?
>> I I do have some I would have to I would have to do further research. >> Yeah. >> But you know, the town the town has its bylaw, noise bylaw, >> right? >> Um which you know probably needs updating. I
think a lot of modern um a lot of modern noise bylaws change to something called a plainly audible standard which is something that's more um enforcable like this the in order to for the town of air
to like enforce their noise bylaw >> you know it's a pretty ownorous process or it or so it's either the police or it's the board of health because I think it's on it's on those two organizations to >> to um research
>> health has no regulation specific to noise. There are some noise things in like the air bylaws, but >> okay. >> There isn't a specific air board of health regulation. Okay. For right for noise. >> Um
>> but if you read the noise bylaw for air >> Yeah. >> It's it's on the board of health and the police to enforce it. >> Yeah. And it's as I recall it's kind of a vague thing. It talks about a decible
level. >> It's very ownorous I would say. Yes. >> And it's for like for how long when, you know, I it's almost from the last time I looked at it feels like it was >> almost uninforcable. >> I I would say it's it's more that it
it's just the amount that of work that would have to be done in order to measure the noise, right? >> That's what would make it non-inforceable. It's just it would take it's a lot of work. >> Yeah. And it's not something that's in the skill set of the board of health or
the or the police to have. Right. >> Right. And I think the other practical issue that we run into is that it's not a resident or business in air that's causing the noise. >> I This is why I think the mass is is
probably something um >> a good place to seek some help. Looks like Mass D has >> they have um it's mass three. >> Yeah, they so um I don't think any I I sent in 2022 I
made a I I sent a um you know a noise concern to >> Yeah. >> to them. Um it's in that that packet. >> Yeah. And I'm I see that here too. It was
whoever you were dealing with. >> I don't know. I don't know who I was dealing with. I never no one ever dealt with me. It was sort of a portal and you know I I I input through a portal and I never heard back. >> Okay. >> So noise issues in the town of air are
not this is not the first time this has happened. when your mom was on the board of health, Bill Hallagan got noise meters and I believe it was Westford Road at the time was the issue. So yes, there has been noise complaints
in the past and there has been monitoring. >> Okay. And >> for noise was also generated in the town of air. >> That's the thing is it's mass de if the property is based on development as the oversight.
>> Right. Right. But you are in we're in historical it's right we have this we have this issue of of jurisdiction it's historical town of air but the but the noise is in air we're not you know you're not you're not >> but we've got to look at how I mean
there are noises certainly that that travel and I don't know honestly what the standard of enforcement or regulation is when it's noise that originates in another, you know, I would even have to look into that and see.
>> I think though if she's addressing it as a public health issue that we could comment to DP that has come to our attention um that a complaint about the noise emanating from the airfield has been generated to the airport of health.
after that pim I don't know where it goes but I don't I think if it was the town of Harvard and there was something going on in Harvard or in Littleton or Shirley >> we would certainly have the ability to comment on the effect that's happening on the town of air
>> I don't see any reason why we couldn't do that in terms of a letter to D >> to D and I >> and deck and yeah I mean >> but really all we can >> tell them at this I would encourage you
to continue complaining with them because they're the people that actually control this. >> I'm having a lot of trouble engaging with >> with both deck >> with both deck and
>> and with mass development now. Um, so I I'm I'm seeking some help. >> Yeah. >> Well, I think I'd have to if you can give us a little bit of time to I'd like to research the background of this a little bit more. Another look at the
noise bylaw. >> The other thing too that I'm trying to balance here is that >> I've been on board of health for a long time. We've had an occasional complaint about noise from a truck idling. This is the first complaint that we as
board of health have received and recorded and documented for this particular issue. >> I'm I'm not sure I'm not sure if it's the first I'll have to go back and look through my records, but I'm pretty sure I've >> Yeah. See if you have any records of having complained to the board before.
I'm not aware of it having come up in a meeting in >> No, probably not in a meeting. I as you know the the showing up is hard. Um, so probably would have been through email, but I I can do that. I can >> Yeah, but that's still something that we would discuss at
>> because what I'm trying to balance here is as the board of health for the town, we are the board of health of the whole town. So, can we say based on one resident complaint that there is a threat to the
health of the town? I I think I think it would be helpful if you probably could have some conversations with Chief Gil um with Robert Preand um with Janice Livingston because it's not it's not a oneperson complaint. I'm just I just
happen to be coming to >> But we can only act on what's reported to us. >> So it's been reported out. Do you know other other people in town that are similarly affected that >> would >> would be willing to join you in a
>> I don't I don't really know I I can't really answer I mean yes I know other people like I I >> I I left you a packet that you can take a look >> yeah I will I will take a look at >> see some of the things that are um again some of it is some of it is information
that I got from records request and some of it is Yeah. Yeah. >> Some of it is town sentiment that goes back to 2018, you know. >> Yeah. And just to clarify, what what's the time frame? When do they start? I mean, they're not up there now. >> They start in the spring and they go
through the summer, >> right? So, it's April to October. Saturday, Sunday, >> Saturday, Sunday. >> Yeah. Every Saturday. Every Saturday. >> Saturday, Sunday. I've seen them down on Main Street. Yeah. And and I would say so when you think about people in town
and and I don't think this is a I think you have to look at the the noise data is probably whether it it might be imperfect but I think that the noise data tells the story. It
shouldn't be about whether someone's one person's complaining. I would it's possible that the level of noise that's coming from the airfield is loud enough to be considered harming people in the town of air regardless of whether it's just me coming to you to tell you. I
know you've got >> no if this is a I understand you haven't seen it yet. >> Do you have any background or references that you can offer us on what is a level of noise that's harmful? >> I have a good I'd be happy to take a
look at that. So, I have a good resource in there's a there's an organization in Lincoln. They're called Quiet Communities. And um there I will um I'll do some research with with them to kind
of get the the EPA and the World Health Organization. They do have um safe levels of noise. Yeah. um off the top of my head, please don't quote me on it, but generally um noise levels that are
above 45 um are getting to the from a community standpoint. Noise above 45 dB can start to be causing harm to human health. That's sort of a a a standard with World Health,
>> the World Health Organization. Now I I should qualify that because it could be I would need to I would need to do further digging to but there are different standards for whether it's during daytime nighttime. Yeah. >> So you know it daytime might be 50 night
time might be 45 or it could be again I I am not a noise expert. >> Yeah I know we're not either but I'm curious about it. And so and so the quiet communities um and and the head of quiet communities, Jamie Banks, is uh
she's a very well-informed scientist. This is uh it's an it's a volunteer organization that she started >> just over 10 years ago. Um but they are an excellent resource. >> Um and so I I'm happy to, you know, kind of dig together and put some some
information for you. >> Yep. anything that that you can forward me on that kind of stuff, I'm happy to take a look at. Do you know off chance what the decel level is at your property? >> Um, so I've never done this is, you
know, I have a little handheld desk reader. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, I would say that I have had ambient noise level as low as 30 at my house. >> Okay. >> It's quiet. It's very quiet. like like that would be that would be library
quiet. That would be, you know, >> um I I think um >> like what does it go up to? Have you ever tried measuring it when the the noise is is really bothering you from this? >> That again like decibb are hard because
it's you're kind of going down a rabbit hole with >> I know. And it's for how long is it sustained? Yeah. And so I I understand that there's a need for measuring noise. There's also a complication with what happens and this is probably getting
longer into what you guys wanted to do for your meeting today, but um there's also two um very often the like heir's noise bylaw is written on um db uh dba.
>> Oh, okay. So you've got so which eliminates low frequency noise. Low frequency noise is the is the rumbling that is very hard to block. That's the type of engine noise. >> Um you know whether that's planes or
lawn equipment or and that's the type of noise that passes through walls. Um, I have noticed that the car racing clubs, now there's eight different clubs that use that that have license agreements with
>> Mass Development. And I noticed that one of the clubs, a Porsche club, um, they have on their website, it looks like they are starting to measure their decibb. They're starting to measure DBC, which is includes the low frequency noise.
That's not happening at That's not happening at the airport. >> Amy, how many I saw the list, but it had the car number. How many do you know how many cars at one time are up there? And >> I don't, but you can look at the numbers of runs they do. >> And I'm wondering how many I don't I've
You're not allowed up there unless you're a a car me club member. I'm wondering if it's one at a time that you hear. >> It is one at a time. >> It is one at a time. >> Yeah. So, it's one car making that noise after the other. And if you look some I think one of those days that I included
it was like over 200 runs. If you look at the >> Yeah, they do a lot. >> If you look at it on Google, like if you look at a you can see you can see the black tire marks. It looks like a snake, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There is an observer on watch as well.
You just have to sign. >> I guess I guess the I think Steve said he can hear it from his house. >> I can hear from my house. >> Yeah. So I think that is enough. It's like the whole town of air is hearing car racing from April to October.
>> When we hear a noise doesn't mean that it's a harmful noise. >> If you were >> or an objectionable, >> but but as you start get there are people who are >> there has to be in violation of something. >> I know and that's what I think >> that's what we've got to quantify.
>> But I think that I think that there's enough information to start to look at. >> Let's do that. send me what if you have anything from the quiet communities. I want to now that I've kind of got a lay of how all this fits together. >> Okay. >> I'd be happy to send D an email saying
that we've gotten um >> I think that that's fair. We have a >> Yeah. >> We have a concern. >> Yep. >> That's been generated and then still do the research. >> Yeah. Because I'm just curious to sort of know what the the deal is here and I'm curious how our bylaw fits in. And
>> I think some of this is beyond the scope of the board of health. I think it is too. >> I think it's >> Yeah. >> Sorry, >> it's Bridget. I didn't mean to interrupt, but I just want to let you know that I did reach out to Michelle Delmare from D. >> She's the one from D, right? That >> Yeah. Yeah. She's a contact that I work
with. Okay. >> Um I think part of the problem right now is >> again, you need to You're absolutely right. We have to have something. >> We have to be able to cite something and enforce something. Um, and at this
particular time, I mean, so moving forward, there is no violation right now because it hasn't happened yet, but I did make her aware of the situation just so that you know. >> Okay. You reported this to her, right? >> Okay. Okay. Yep. All right. Got you.
>> We could also ask them to show us that there's not a violation, too. >> Yeah. I mean it just again it's you know it and I did get clarification from her that it is considered Devons and that's where the violation is and that's where
the enforcement happens if there is a violation of a particular law bylaw whatnot. Does she Bridget has she um ever mentioned that there's like a D limit or a level above which like does D
have any form of regulation? Did you they have >> Yeah, they um I I forget what the decel limit is, but they have um a handheld machine that they use um or let us use
um >> okay, >> because we don't have one, but they they'll let us use and and sometimes they'll come out and document a a a problem if need be. >> Okay. >> Um they help us with that. >> So, there are some limits. >> Well, if Oh, yeah. If you look at if you
want if you want to know the Massachusetts limits, it's um mass 310 CMR7.10. It's on the I I can I can email you the B if I can email it to you if you need to. I I might have I might have given it
to Steve. You Steve might have forwarded >> whatever you gave me. for so I might have linked it in that I think I probably would have tried to give you as much of that kind of information as possible just
>> I kind of I wanted to talk to you and see like what's the what's your experience with this and >> where have you been and what have you looked at and done. So >> that was a it was a really helpful background. Um and Bridget I know that you've already done you know had some
contact on this. I'm just curious to look and see. So, I could always send another um just email to D, you know, asking about uh limits and whatnot and you know, just saying if there kind of reminding her about this
complaint, I guess again, but it not to do anything in particular just to make sure >> if you're able to find out from Neil >> in some of the some of the >> he's the guy that runs the racing club. Is that right? >> No, no, Neil Angus from Deck. Oh, okay. Neil Angus.
>> So, Neil Angus, in some of the documents I found, it looked like the that Deck was going to do some ambient noise um >> yeah, >> you know, measurements and things and I could not I don't I don't know if any of
that happened. I emailed him in advance of this meeting, but I didn't hear back from him. So, >> yeah. Um, so if if any if anyone has uh >> and that's kind of my instinct at this point is that whatever happens of a remedial or monitoring nature, it's got to happen at
>> Well, I think there's but there's also at the state level I mean like >> Yeah. Right. right between the state between Yeah. between you know the players but it's got to happen where the noise originates. I I can understand >> or or it won't you know we won't get anywhere
>> right except if if so you know the town of air it's things are based on the property line so if all of a sudden if in the town of air >> um they decide if if a piece of property and if let's say the I don't know the police station because it's not very far
from the air from from the airfield. So let's say the police station decided to do monitoring from from their location, you know, it >> or or um the location of the new um the
new senior center for instance, you know. >> Yeah, >> that you know that's that's town property. Like there's there's some different locations. So I think I think if if the noise was uh I again that
would be out of my expertise but >> and I've got to even for that exercise and what we've really got to go back to is you know what is the limit and that's probably going to be in the bylaw if we're going to measure something in air and then >> how does that bylaw apply to a source
that's over the town line is does that go forward right >> so I'm look into that stuff and anything else that you can kind of help with. >> Okay. >> Um that piece of background, but I'll get back to you before um the next meeting and I'll just at least give you an update on where things stand.
>> That sounds great. And I I think um I I don't know how um easy it is for the, you know, Chief Gil or something to uh pull out noise complaint, you know, data that would come through his like through
dispatch. I don't I don't know if if that's a searchable area, but >> but you know that that's a possibility because I would think >> you know if someone's going why am I hearing all those tires squealing? >> Yeah. >> That would be good interesting.
>> And so I don't I don't know if I >> I don't know if if if that's if that's a a a searchable place to get information. >> I can find that out >> that could be helpful information to have. >> Okay. Well, I think >> thanks for coming in to talk to us.
>> I appreciate it very much. >> It's always nice to have live and especially when you bring back up information. I really like >> Yeah. Well, good. I will um like I said, I will um let me make sure I have my So, I will get you some um
EPA kind of um health data on noise. That's what you were hoping from. >> Yeah. Forward what you have that you think might be Okay. >> Might be helpful. >> Okay, that sounds >> we'll go from there. >> Very good. Well, thank you. >> Good luck getting up your driveway. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> State one. >> Thanks. >> Appreciate it. >> Hi, Amy. >> That um name Neil Angus. That sounds familiar. >> I think he was at the original um health
equity partnership, the first one we did at the library. >> Yeah. >> Because they had representation. name sounded familiar to me too, but I thought maybe he was somebody >> representation from Devons and then they had the uh executive from >> Mass Memorial and and they went around
the table. The name sounds very familiar. >> Yeah, got it. I do remember, Steve, back in the day when Bill Hallagan was our building commissioner, I complained because >> the steam valve would go off uh at Pepsi, they would release steam from
their um machinery and it what it when they released it, it was hitting a concrete wall >> and it would carry across the track and it was like >> right there. We borrowed the measurement equipment and Bill did the noise.
>> Yeah. So, where was >> that should be in your files? >> Yeah, that was a long That was >> in the 80s. >> Was it the 80s? >> Yeah, I was on the board of health in the 80s. >> But that's not something that that
is done by a building inspector. I mean, it's not usually in his >> I don't I don't know. >> I don't know. Does he does he have the machinery? >> We have some machinery. >> It's not great. >> Yeah, because there is no there is
something in the bylaws about noise. >> Well, there was always complaints about the trains which have the right to pass. >> Yeah. But the airfield when it was an active airfield, it's elevated above I
don't know how many feet, but we could hear at Sandy Pond when a helicopter was landing at more army airfield or when the C130 was taking off. >> Oh, >> you would know. I mean, you could >> we just got used to it on Skully Road. >> Just traveled. I mean,
>> yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was wondering when I found out, excuse me, where she lived, I'm like, how could she hear that? that's so far away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's like that empty like nothing to absorb the noise in between.
>> And I your questions I think are very valid. But to let D know we have had a complaint. >> Yeah. >> Start the process with them I think is legitimate and that's true. >> Yeah. And I kind of want to know like what are the you know
>> D can do some of that too. >> Yeah. D has the personnel >> to investigate. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, if we can get D to investigate and determine is there a problem or not. >> Yeah. It looked like the, you know, there was some correspondence there back
to 2022. But, you know, I can give her a call or an email. >> Like I said, this is not new in terms of noise complaints. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. >> There have been noise complaints. >> Okay. I'll do a little bit of research on that. Uh, what's going on with the
Shelva? Bridget, anything new? >> I'm trying to think. >> Why aren't you Why aren't you on camera, Bridget? >> What's that? >> How come we can't see you? >> Um, I'm having a bad hair day.
>> Oh, that's like my every day. was planning on being there in person, but a little car issue for my daughter. So, >> yeah, I gotcha. >> Um Um I think I mean there are a couple of things, you know, for you to weigh in on, but they're on other items there
like the rag review for the animals, the >> town report. If you took a look at that draft, if there's anything >> in that you think should be changed. So before I forget, um there
we did have um a complaint come in down um at Devon the Devon's Crest. Yeah. >> Apparently there were 57 units without water. Um one one tenant went 5 days. >> I just instructed her to give me a call back if she needs an inspection and I I
have not heard back. So I'm going to assume that um it was it has been corrected. But, you know, rightfully so, she was very upset because um she had been 5 days without water. >> So, I'm I'm not sure what's happening down there, but I I did not have any
other complaints. I don't think Sam had any that came in either. >> Um >> how can you have 57 units with no water and only one complaint? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't know. That that fascinated me. >> Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um Okay. Okay.
>> Again, it was she the the tenant with no water was the one that told me that there were 57 others. So, >> okay. >> I don't know how how accurate that is, but um we did have another complaint that came in um about a diesel truck
um the um order coming into his neighbor's house. >> That >> a residential neighborhood. It sounds like it was a resident like a a not a 18-wheeler truck but like a >> Yeah, that's the one on the list, right?
It was just from a last week. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I mean I I've gone through this with D as well. >> People can start their cars in the morning. there's, you know, um that if they're not there for a prolonged period of time, I'm not sure
how we would help them, but I I've already been by a couple of times and I haven't seen anything. So, I did >> I am just actively looking at that particular >> Okay. >> location as well. >> Does Sam have the the address? Do you have the address location?
>> 10 Gner Street. I think >> I I didn't I just it didn't. That's okay. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um All right. >> We've just been doing our standard our food inspections. >> Yeah.
>> Um I don't think there's anything crazy that's been going on other than that. Is that right, Sam? Losing my mind a little bit, but >> yeah, I think that's all. >> And I think the Nishoba in and suites is all
>> straightened out. Done. Yeah. Bridget, did you follow up on the school with the asbestous? Did they ever send us the annual report that they're going to have done their annual inspection? >> Not yet. I think that was in process
maybe. And I >> know you had asked for some other stuff and I don't know if you got that. >> I didn't get anything but he I thought he said it was in January. I can follow back up to see if it's being done. Do you remember that? >> Um, yep.
>> His name was Bob Briggs, I believe, was the facilities person. >> I remember that name because I got him confused with the other Bob Driggs. I'm like, "Oh, >> so they were supposed to do it in January." >> There was they do a trienal, I believe,
inspection. I think an outside company comes in and does air quality and whatever. So this was supposed Asbestous is one of the um things that they check for in schools apparently. >> Okay. Gotcha. So this was like already
on a monitoring program and it's Yes. coming due in Okay. Gotcha. Okay. >> But he said that they would forward the report to us and I haven't seen anything. So >> Okay. You want to follow up with him? >> I'll follow up with Bob Ricks.
>> That works for me. Um, I think then Bridget, I think that's it. >> Yeah, that was um I think that was all that I I
>> Yeah, that's all I've got for like things to follow up with you. I mean, you know, don't go away. You don't have to leave us, but I just wanted to make sure that I covered all your stuff. >> Yeah, you know, you did. If you're okay with it, if I check out, I just have to call TripleA. But that's
>> Go for it. >> Yeah, that's okay. You've more or less okay with the um animal rags, you said, right? Yes. So, >> and yes, I I did want to just double check with Jim regarding um Yes. And it doesn't sound like you need to have a public hearing. Um you would just need to after the fact
>> post a summary of the changes and I can work with you on that. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. Perfect. If anything changes with that, just let me know. You know where to find me. Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Bridget. >> Thanks, guys. Bye.
>> Okay. Um, annual report. >> Next thing on the agenda here. So, >> what's the red >> is that what's taken out or is that what's going in? >> Yeah, it's based off of what was written last year. So, >> yeah, red line is being removed.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Replace it with >> Right. We could do something with um opioid in place of this one. So you could say something like that we're um you know
what it what I can never remember the official name of that steering committee. It's got a name. >> Opio no pool. Um opioid abatement. >> I know it's got an official name. Um,
>> so we could work on a a statement for Yeah, for that one to let's put in something about that that is participating in that and the you know town has signed on to the MOA. We could give like a just little >> I'm saying opioid abatement committee
but the it the other um title that I I've seen it referred by um pooling because we're because we are >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So that everyone knows it's not just air. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.
Okay. I'll look on on the I thought that there was an at least one. So this is going to be opioid. >> Should there be anything in here about um violations? Not specifically stating
but we worked tobacco control commission >> which has happened on tobacco law violations and enforcement. >> That is a good one. >> Yeah. Let's put that one in. Work
with the backup control. >> All right, I can try drafting some up for that. >> Didn't we have a food issue too that we um worked with the Shoba Board of Health?
food issue within the calendar year. >> Yes, it was regarding sushi. >> Oh, I thought I don't think that turned into a tremendously big deal though because it was just a like um varants in the >> temperature.
>> Yeah. Had to do with the >> sushi rice. >> I mean, we participated with the showa. >> We did. I can talk to Bridget about that one. Yep. >> Okay. I don't think we have to identify the place but >> Right. >> Yeah. Okay.
All right. Um and we got our permits wouldn't change any other regulations. All right. Solid waste. Did we do a do an update to that? Yeah.
No, we didn't. Okay. >> Talked about it. >> Yeah. But we didn't actually change it. Okay. >> Should you list the number of solid weight? Oh, you have it on. >> Yeah. Nine. >> Is that right? >> Yep. Yeah. It's always >> actually it might be eight. I should um
>> Okay. If you When do we have to have this in by end of the month? >> 27. All right. If either of you come up with anything that you think should be added to this. I'll do I'll
draft um some replacement statements here, Sam, and send it back to you and um yeah, if you guys have anything, just send an email. >> Okay, >> that in. >> All right, that's good. And major thanks
to Sam for putting that together for us. >> Thank you. >> And opioid abatement funds. I know you have a meeting this week. We have one on the the uh we're resuming on the 12th the after the holidays. There was a little
bit of shifting that went on. Um and and reading back on this, you know, the law here that that um the opioid abatement settlement.
I had told you guys that um the representative from Harvard was stepping down and he was going to be an alternate and I didn't get any more information on I read through this and I didn't see anything about um an alternate and what it would mean.
>> Um is it in the MRA that we is it talk about the alternate I was trying to >> Yeah. I um >> where is that even like I I couldn't find it in there but you
might be able to Oh, this isn't a show of health equity that I was going to talk to you about because maybe if you could just try to find out at this next meeting. It's like is this something that we need uh definitely if we need to get in front of
selectmen or anything then we would do that but >> and it sounded like um the representative from Harvard said that he he did and then >> uh had mentioned something about putting it out on the town website and getting
you know getting other people involved instead of just myself and I was >> he said >> give them a call and work creatively on how to get the word out, but um it sounds like they are like well underway >> in Harvard
um and Groten and Francis is the lead and he's person who's going to be leading on Thursday at that meeting. >> So I should probably email him to get the most information out of it. >> What they're expecting of
>> of us and >> I just don't want to do anything, you know, wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's all new. So we don't know, we don't have anything to, >> you know, refer it back to and say, "Oh, that's how they did it last year." So,
>> right. And if we do need to appoint one, you know, like what is the process for that? And do we have anywhere written what that person's duties or tasks or objectives would be? Like I don't even know how we would ask someone to be an alternate. We can't
describe to them. I haven't been able to describe what we're doing at at We haven't really had to vote on anything per se as a group yet. >> Talk to the >> Yeah, >> it's still new. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm suspecting that Harvard is probably looking at it a little bit
differently too because there's just it's the amount of money >> the amount is so different. >> Yep. >> But still, I mean, all the I'm sure member towns have to do their own >> right >> thing. So, all right. Yeah. just get make sure that we're up to date on that.
>> The other thing to kind of keep an eye on then is that when does the if there has to be a renewal again already or approval of funds if there's >> and I was under the impression that would be every year. Yes. And you you'd have a a concrete number to go by with the funding whereas
>> Harvard's has already fluctuated some. >> Yeah. >> So we'll see. >> Okay. Yeah. because we can be the, you know, go between but to get whomever needs to look at that whether it's just Robert or whether it's the select board. So just find out what we need to do.
>> All right. Um that's good for that one. Um the animal regulations. Before we build any more excitement and anticipation, let's talk about the
changes to the animal and fowl regulation. So, the way that this set of changes stacked was to try to put something in there about a
late fee, which I did. So, there isn't a late there is a late fee that has been added here. And then we kind of extended it a little bit to, you know, let's pick up on some things that we, you know, just kind of do and maybe want
to reinforce. So that's where um the requirements in here to like verify with the conservation commission. We're not saying conservation gets to approve the permit, but that
they can provide us input. Um, if there is a conservation concern, um, which I could see that there could be on wetlands, especially if there's going to be like pasture area and manure storage and all that. Um
there's I made an official statement official statement in here that the renewal applications you you can you don't have to do the butters and everything all over again. You can just send us like the quick summary or no changes. Um and then
there's the requirement uh the the um late fee rather requirement. um can't transfer the let's just kind of shore that up. Um another reference to the um wetlands and the conservation
commission. And then when it gets into standards of care where it looks like there's all these new requirements, they're not new requirements. Where those came from was the where you were describing or you we were describing
the permit application. And it would say, "Well, you've got to apparently someone's upstairs." >> Wow. >> Sounds like a very angry walk. >> Somebody's going to get a hide tan in
there when they were found. Um, so they they're not new regulations under this section five or or new items. They were all moved from the section that was talking about the permit application and
you need to send us a plot plan and you need to do this and no stable may be located within 100 feet of a lot line and you need to send us this and you need to send us that. It's like why are we talking about stables and lot lines
in the middle of like the information? So, I just kind of reorganized it to put the stuff that's like requirements in one section and then the permit thing under this section called permitting
process. But those are not new. Um, just so you know, those are not new requirements. They're just moved from other um locations. Then I added one in here and like corrected some typos and like grammar
stuff, simple stuff, but I also added a a thing about the permit holders responsible for the prevention of rodent infestations and we can require them to work with an exterminator if there's a
bad problem and you know that's going to be our agent. Look at that. that came from the language for anything new in here. Um, I used as much as I could language from other air towns that were
I think it went about as far out as like Framingham or something, but you know, so they're not necessarily a budding towns, but if there was a good statement that addressed the point that I was trying to bring out, um, then I use these. And one of them was this thing
about um the happy HPA in my eye. I guess that's not happy. It's a hapia. The highly pathogenic aven influenza. So I wanted to put something in here to just call people's attention to the fact that there's this new bird flu issue
coming around and there have been a couple of flocks that have had to be destroyed in Massachusetts. Not a huge number. So, um I found some good I found one from the mass um agriculture and I
found one from the USDA. So, both at the state level and the federal level that were like flyers andformational things about keeping your block safe and whatnot. So, I didn't put any of that actual requirement in here. I just made
references to it and I had talked to um Sam, we had mentioned earlier that we could send out information. So, I'm thinking like if we send those two with the renewal packet, the the the rodent >> sheet and um I'll actually look to see
if there's any like on a state level, is there like a rodents and and whatever thing too that we can send out. And then there's a this is not really a new right, but I did take it out of another
regulation and it's this right to inspect that at least once a year we're going to inspect. And the one new thing in here is and and that wasn't like officially said. I think it said that we were going to do a pre-approval or
something, but I put on here that they can be conducted at any time and they don't have to have prior notice to the owner and that we can enter onto the property or buildings to do. So that I want to make sure is like
copathetic with with everybody. I took that out of I think Westford's regulation. So, I know that a this has been on some level reviewed by attorney general, but you know, >> does it still have to be reviewed by the attorney general?
>> Yeah, it has to go to them afterwards um after it's approved and I >> before it's implemented, right? >> Yeah. And I asked Bridget today if um what her information was on do does this need to like have a public hearing or
not? So, she checked with Jim and that was her update just now that because she thought that because we were we're kind of technically adding a fee, the late fee, it's a new fee that didn't exist before that we might have to do a public hearing.
>> So, um I guess if we want to just, you know, cover all the bases, um I could send Kylie and Sam a note, too, that just Jim's opinion is that we don't need to do this. just make sure we're okay with you guys >> or do a public hearing.
>> Yeah. Or we could. I mean, if we don't have to do the publishing and everything, the year is young, so I'd kind of rather save it for in case we have something that we really need to publish later in the year. But
>> the budget will renew in July. >> Yeah. >> We're halfway through the year. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. We are halfway into the year. Yeah. >> And we haven't done one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't if we wanted to do one, would we?
So, in order to implement this by the end of May, would we have to do the public hearing at our next meeting if we're going to do one or could it be in March? >> Here's the reason.
>> Oh, that Oh my god. I know. I mean, I can have it turn into >> I can have it in the paper for the March meeting. It doesn't >> As long as I know um >> I don't think you're going to get any
participation in >> I would probably also send a note to the current >> Yeah. >> list so they know there's changes coming. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And sort of let them know that please be on time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. because one of the changes is a
me. So, um yeah, we could do that. >> But in terms of getting it in the paper, it just needs to be twice for the first one 14 days before the meeting >> and the second one seven days. So, >> because we could do this as a um and it
doesn't have to be done at a meeting. It could be a separate >> be it own meeting. >> Can you do a um public hearing entirely by Zoom? >> Yeah, you can. ZBA does it. >> I mean, if we didn't want to gather again, like are you guys thinking like
you want to take a little more time to look at this? Bridget was okay with it. >> I'm comfortable with whatever >> comfortable with it. >> I just want to make sure that whatever you did >> Yeah. >> passes muster. I know the attorney general's office will >> public hearing may take you five minutes.
>> Yeah, I know. All right. Let me send um >> And if we can zoom that would be >> Yeah. to this time frame. >> Yeah. You okay with doing it as kind of the >> next? >> Yeah. Okay. >> And I can send letters to the or notices
at least to the >> Okay. Let me let them know then what we're thinking. And unless they say absolutely they don't have one there is no need whatsoever, then let's just do it. >> Yeah.
>> Um call log. I guess we kind of already reviewed the new one is diesel fumes. Did Bridget say I meant to ask her to back up? I think she said it was like not a semi. >> It's a pickup.
>> It's It's a pick a diesel pickup. Okay. >> Some guy's truck. >> Cuz I know like the semiis, don't you have to stack those and like let them warm for a while? It's a neighbor's truck and his tail pipe for space in his house and >> Okay. Okay. >> And it was just getting
>> but it's not a commercial vehicle or like Okay. Gotcha. All right. >> I think he said >> to be specific. All right. >> Okay. So, we then moving right along. We
had minutes of December 8th and I did not get to January's minutes. >> Yeah, I thought I just didn't see those in here, but the >> I was here for the A. You
>> Yeah, that's really kind of what we need. >> Make a motion we approve the >> All right. All in favor? >> Oh, I have to say I second. I always want to rush that. I second. All in favor? I >> I wasn't here for the January meeting,
so >> yeah, that one we can do. >> All right, there you go. That one. And I think
>> Yeah, I know. I know. I've been cold all day. I sit next to the coldest damn >> I think it's just because it's hard to >> Don keeps saying it's because you're getting old. >> Thank you. >> You know how cold they or how hot they keep it in the nursing home.
>> Your houses must be 2x4 frame too, right? >> I mean, nothing was 2x6 back in the 80s. >> That's No, the old part of mine is >> 2x4. 2x4 >> cuz you can't get the R value and the walls high enough that it's
>> Oh my god. It's horsehair plaster with nothing in between. You put your hand on it and your hand comes away cold. >> Yeah. >> I have that in half in my house, too. >> Yep. It's only in the old part of my house. >> Blown away. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. We kind of when we first moved back, we had a little blown in, but it like seemed to really >> If I could just get the windows replaced. the window. >> Everybody's complaining about that. Ours is a prefab house and believe it or not. >> Yeah, I stood there nine months pregnant
WATCHING THEM DROP THE drop board at the time >> and I have not had any drafts in that house. Just the front door, not the windows and not the any of the rooms. >> Surprising. >> Yeah. >> Our house heats easily up to at 32. Once
it goes below 32 >> Oh, yeah. >> That's when the heat comes on. >> Yeah. But 32 is like not a big deal at all. >> Yeah, we're okay about down to that. >> Zero is awful. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. And I've got
like all over my house. I've got these double thick windows like this and there's one right next to my desk and it's so drafty. It just I just need new windows. So, >> h someday. I got to make more money first.
All right. We have any bills? >> No bills. We have any >> mail? >> No mail, no bills. >> I get which is mostly >> burial certificates. Um >> burial certificates. >> Those um and the only update I have sort
of has to go with the trash haulers. Our last trash hauler who hadn't submitted any >> I did finally get a hold of him. Uh he sold his company to GW Shaw who's already licensed in town. So >> there you go. >> So that means uh this year every tobacco and every trash hauler submit their
paperwork before December 31st. >> Cool. >> Holy mackerel. That's awesome. >> Well done. >> Good. Good. It's so nice not to have stragglers. That's fantastic. >> But he did sell his company to G. He only had three.
>> Yeah. He was the really small. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, hopefully he got, you know, value. >> He did say um he was getting older. His son doesn't want it. >> Yeah. I get that. >> Sorry, >> Madam Chair. >> Yeah, let's uh entertain motions.
>> We adjourn. >> I second. All in favor? I >> I we are ajured.