Hello and welcome to the Tuesday, March 10th meeting of the Airplanning Board. This meeting hearing of the Airplanning Board will be held in person at the location provided on this notice. Members of the public are welcome to attend this inerson meeting. Please note that while an option for remote attendance and or participation via Zoom
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Ruiz, town planner at druisair.mma. us or 978772 8220 extension 144 prior to the meeting. First item of business is to approve the agenda. Do I have a motion? >> So moved. >> Do I have a second? >> Seconded.
>> Any discussion? Anything on the agenda we wish to Nope. We're good. Uh Ken, how do you vote? >> Yes. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. Agenda is approved. The first item on our agenda is a public
hearing for a proposed zoning bylaw amendment. I'd like to read the announcement into the record. Public hearing notice for the proposed zoning bylaw amendments. Pursuant to Mass General Law Section 40A subsection 5, the Air Planning Board
will hold a public hearing at 6:15 PM on Tuesday, March 10th, 2026 at the Air Town Hall, One Main Street, Air, Massachusetts for the Planning Board to vote on the re on recommending the following zoning bylaw amendments to the April 26 27th, 2026 fall town meeting.
That would be to see if the town will vote to amend the Arizona zoning bylaws chapter 30 uh 320 article 9 section 9.5.1 sign permits and section 9.5.4 permitted signs and section 9.5.7 construction and maintenance of signs or
take any action relative there too. The full text of the proposed article can be found on the town of air website at air.mma. us/planning board/pages/zoning proposals town meeting and paper copies can be obtained at the town clerk's office or at the air planning department
in air town hall during normal business hours. For more information, please contact the air planning office at 9787728220 extension 144 or planning atma. us as advertised February 26 and February 27th, 2026 in the Shoa Valley
voice. I believe that we're going to have a presentation from Mike and Ray. >> Uh, first motion to open. >> Oh, I'm sorry. We need a a motion to open this public hearing. >> I'll make a motion we open a public hearing for proposed zoning bylaw changes regarding the sign section of
the bylaws. >> Oh, thank you, Julie. Julie second. Any discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan, >> I. Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. Um before uh but they can they sit they
can sit they come up they can sit uh before we get into the actual presentation uh just a point to clarify. So in the legal notice there's a link on there that was sent out prior to us
transferring over to the new website. Oh yes. >> So I know there was a little bit of an incident in where uh people were going to that link um and it was uh not working. It was saying not found because that's the old website. So, um just as a
quick uh reminder to everybody, anything that's going to be going before the planning board will always be under our current applications and plans on the new website. Um and because the new website's slightly different, um I don't
have all of the documents just laid right out under each item. You have to actually click into the document um link to the documents to get all the documents. Um, but it is right here. Um, and that's so just to clarify that I
know this happened. I I got an email about this, so it may have happened with other people. Um, all right, the PowerPoint. Okay. Good evening, uh, Mr. Chair and the members of the planning board. Um,
Rachel and, uh, myself, um, oh, Mike Wallace, building commissioner, Rachel Freedellander, um, Trench of Economic Development. Uh, we would like to propose or we have proposed a change in the sign bylaw specifically regarding to
the window signs. um we believe it's outdated uh and that the materials have come a long way and it's just restricting small businesses from u being able to just advertise regularly. Yeah. So to go through our PowerPoint um
presentation here, we did receive feedback from the public of which there are three letters that were um included online from local businesses. And um Jose Bons of JNS here on Main Street shared that he was thinking this was
just an old bylaw because back in the day people would hand paint signs on the windows. And so the town was trying to move towards making more permanent um requirements for businesses and signage. And so um his thought was especially
because there are towns surrounding us that already allow businesses to do this. this was outdated. Um, and it would be great to see it changed. Additionally, we received feedback from other businesses that uh impacted privacy for their customers as well as
making it harder to advertise the business because if you have to post your sign on the interior side of the window and it's tinted, it doesn't stand out as much. It's not as vibrant. And so, our current bylaw, I'm just to move through the PowerPoint here. Ray, I'm gonna encourage you to speak sneak a bit
louder because we got >> You're doing great with the mic. You don't do >> Don't worry about the mic. Worry about the back of the room. >> Okay, great. >> It's a tough call there. I'm sorry to make you do both. >> No worries. So, our current bylaw, we don't allow signage to be painted or posted directly on exterior surfaces and
we don't allow windows to be considered a permanent sign. Next slide, please. So, the amendments we're giving the building commissioner through making these changes, oversight on the materials that will be used will allow windows to be considered a permanent
sign. And exterior surfaces of windows can also be used as signage. And as mentioned in the memo, the building commissioner already has oversight over appearance. And so if something were to happen, say a sign was installed and it
didn't meet, you know, quality control or standards, uh, Mike within his full capacity can make those changes already. Uh, next slide, please. And so our recommendation is that the planning board consider forward forwarding these
amendments so that the community can consider them at the spring uh, town hall meeting. >> Okay. Oh, Mike, you want to add to that before we open up to the board? >> Yeah, I just like to make a comment about how we get to figure out what is uh an improved material or not. >> Great.
>> It's not just, you know, me saying, "Yeah, that's a that looks good." Um it it refers to the back of the uh international building code, the reference standards. Um, so for example, um, you would look in the back if the if the I would ask, for example, I'd ask
Jose from JNS Business for the materials of, you know, what compiles, how the signs are being made, what materials um, are used. And then so then they will each have reference standards, codes in the back saying
what they're approved for, if I'm explaining this right. Um, so an example, if on one of the materials on the window decal says ISO4578, um, that says it complies with adhesive and peel resistant properties, um, or ASM standards would, uh, it would tell
you if it's it's durability rating. Um, then there smoke develop index and all that kind of thing. And that's all in there. It and it's only products only have these numbers and these codes if they've already been approved, right, >> and tested. >> Um, that's all. that goes on the actual
sign. >> No, no, no. Um, no. It would go on. You would I would request a sheet of what the materials >> the materials they used to make these signs. >> If you have a concern, you would ask what that code is. >> I'll require it anyway. >> Regardless,
>> go ahead and jump in there. >> No, no, no, fine. So, my I >> Sorry, I was going to say I believe that's part of the sign bylaw the the building permit um for the signs, right? That's part of your requirements >> on the building permit. Um what to list the materials >> sign permit for the sign permit
>> to list materials I believe. So I believe so. >> So my my my first question is what inspired this this revision? >> Uh Rachel was getting a little gripe from some small business. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And uh trickled down to >> Okay. >> My fault kind of. So
>> or up to us to change it. So >> Okay, great. So it was a concern that was raised by the business community itself or members of the business community. >> Correct. >> Downtown. >> Downtown. >> Just downtown. nowhere else in town. >> Correct. K. Yeah. >> And to be fair, this
>> there prior to Ray coming and prior to Mike becoming the um building commissioner, this was also something that was brought up was an issue that we had previously discussed possibly changing. >> Um you know, it just it took some time and and Ray and Mike made that um made
the push to get this going. >> And what what possible objections could there be to to this? What what are the things that why wouldn't you put a sign on the exterior of a window? >> Why wouldn't you as of before before this? >> Yeah. I mean like what what are there any reasonable objections?
>> There was some crazy signs who were all over the place. So they were trying to get control of the the look of the downtown in the years gone by before the I kind of want to hear from Ray and Mike. Thank you. I'm sorry. >> Through the chair. I think it's because in the past they weren't designed to withstand weather and so by putting them
on the interior you ensured longevity of the material. Now technology has changed and so many towns are allowing businesses to do precisely what this amendment would allow air to do because >> the science can withstand the test of time at least for much longer than they
did in the past. >> And and and just one more and I'll turn it over. This is about the materials. This isn't about the uh communicative substance of the sign, right? Right. That correct? That's totally different. Okay. >> Correct. Yeah. Just the >> just materials. >> Yeah. Thank you.
>> I'm sorry. Was Nathan or Julie had a question first. >> I just wanted to jump on if I may to what Ray was saying that because I think I picked up also I'm making a hunch here that also the UV protection in glass is preventing or
hindering absolutely signs from being seen. >> Yeah. And some people have stretched that to Ray, I believe. >> Okay. >> Thanks. Thank you. Julie, >> first I just want to say it's nice to meet you. Like before um >> I'm just This is a very visual um
concept and I'm a visual person. So maybe not for here, but if this does go to town meeting, if there could be some examples of maybe towns that are doing as well or >> Yeah. >> what >> that signage looks like. I think it feels a little less daunting, but I um I
really respect especially what Jose does. So, I can imagine it would be some fabulous signage. >> So, I I don't I think that's my only like I would like to see that, but I I don't have any other questions. >> Can you go back to the Okay, so just for
clarification, it's the same as we've done the zoning articles where you have the cross out for the language that's going away and it's replaced by the new language. >> Yeah. So, I can walk you through I got I got a question on the second slide that they had >> on the second slide. >> Yeah. Right at the top >> on this one.
>> Second or third slide maybe with the languages >> on this. >> Yeah. So it does like the next slide. >> Okay. So the second item here says all windows to be considered permanent signs. >> No, it says allows windows to be
considered permanent signs. Says >> allows >> allows windows to be considered Sorry. So allows windows to be considered permanent signs. So might take it that the size of the window generates the size of the sign. >> I'd say the size of the sign on the window would generate.
>> So if it's just a graphic, how and it's doesn't have a border or anything like that. >> You measure the area of it. I guess >> it's not clear there. I don't think >> we um so we have a a a way on how we measure um signage. Uh it's not being
changed in here. Um >> there's a length for so many you're allotted for or size allotted for depending on the length of the front of your building and such. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So there the the calculation on how we
calculate the size of a sign is not being changed as of right now even though I know that's something that we we've also discussed of potentially changing as well. But as of right now, >> I was just concerned with the language that I took it to be the whatever the
size of the window be what could be the sign. >> Yeah. So on that >> I don't want people to be unclear about that. Okay. Yeah. So maybe we can clarify that during the presentation. >> Can you go back up to that again? That language. >> So we can clarify the amendment >> allows windows to be considered permanent. >> I see what you're saying. Can you?
>> Yeah. So the pre the PowerPoint what we'll um I can work with Rey on um kind of making some of these changes to so that when a town meeting it's it's more clearly written out as in the sense of what is being changed. >> Okay.
>> Um kind of like when my with mine I typically just use the text of what's being changed so that it there is no misconception of what is like so there's no confusion. Um, but this one I think it's a pretty easy change.
>> Maybe maybe it should have said allows allows signage on windows to be considered permanent signs or just it was a typo. Apologies. >> Okay. So, I mean, other than that, it's a pretty simple change, right? Basically saying we're going to allow him to oversee the quality of the materials
that are put on the window and move it from the inside to the outside. And really it's I mean yes it's Mike but it's also the the the um the building code. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Chair um two questions.
>> One is where is I think it's helpful to um make changes to the presentation because a lot of people won't read the text but when it comes to voting on it I need to vote on the the language. So >> yeah, what's the
>> this is >> this is the document that's going to have the permanent language with that that >> motion showing us. >> Yeah. So well this is the um memo that was actually done. So this is this shows everything that's in bold is the
proposed changes. >> Um and then the strike through and bold is what's being removed. >> Okay. Um, so typically, so the way we would do it is um the motion would read as um kind of like what what we have on the
>> Yeah, I think you say it's a motion to recommend to the select board their uh >> we're not actually making the motion. >> No, we're not right now, but that's what it would look like. >> But the the motion would look like would be reading exactly this >> section number one >> just how it's read I
>> the what actually gets changed the language of the bylaw. >> Correct. which stands for a long time >> and so that's what I want to read. So when you have the changes, you know, anything that comes out as night, anything that if anything came out of the select boards meeting, um we could
be notified. >> So nothing came out of the select board meeting, it was uh moved to you without changes. >> Okay, great. So the Thank you for the question. Can I follow up on that? >> Yeah. >> So I'm looking at the you know the agenda, excuse me, tonight's agenda.
>> Yep. and under the I in the first one. >> Yep. >> Gives you part of it. But would you then continue on to say in accordance with the bold shown in the thing? >> No. No. So just there's a there's a specific way we write motions for town
meeting. >> Um that is just a motion for the board to make. You are not making any determination on the actual written portion of the bylaw. You're just in the sense of unless you make changes. So your motion is just carrying over the
the proposal that they have. That's your motion. So town meeting will then get into the specifics of the actual bylaw and the amendment. They'll go through all of the changes and then town meeting votes on the actual proposal. And so
when you see the warrant, you'll see basically you'll see section 9.1, 51, 9.54, and 9.57 all together on one page. So, Mr. Chair, sorry about this. I don't want it to get confused. So, there's actually I I think of my
language was different. The motion we're talking about tonight is different what I was talking about for town meeting. So, you're going to clear up the future language of the town meeting motion. Tonight, you were just asking us to move it through the process. >> Yeah. So, I would uh So, the the town warrant the town warrant would be
written by other people. Yes. I would look at the word um the way it's written, but typically the motion is set by by them and how it's written out. The select board reads the motion. We don't we don't >> we've done this a bunch of times, but >> So, as far as we're concerned tonight,
how about town council? Have they been looked at this at all? Are you still waiting to do that? >> Um, still waiting. I can I can follow up with um with uh town council with a I think it might be Amy Quessle for this one um and talk to Robert about it.
Typically final edits for the warrant. >> Yeah. >> Um we have some time before then. If anything comes out of it from town council. Um so I don't know if it's been sent over. Um I can follow up with with that. >> Okay.
>> I don't foresee any changes coming out of that though. Can I ask why you're asking that question? Because this is >> I'm just wondering if we should move it through without having town council look at it. >> So town council usually looks at it after we've vote we've voted on it.
That's how we that's how it's always usually been done. >> I can I can cl you know I might bring some clarity >> which is presumably there's going to be no changes after it passes this board. >> Presumably. Yeah. So this what we would
read would be most likely the proposed change to the bylaw. >> So that's that's again I understand that it's it doesn't it doesn't really it goes into effect actually when they vote on
it but blah blah blah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh so it's in effect right now actually >> but it uh it goes it it gets formally adopted or rejected. >> Mhm. >> At the town meeting >> and at town meeting remember on the floor there could be an effect
>> changes can be amended but it cannot be more restrictive. >> Correct. So again >> I'm missing something. So I want to I want to hear this. I'm also trying to >> I really want to see the final language.
This is the final language. >> We have we have >> one change here. >> No, no, no, no. So the actual >> So it's five 9.51. It's that section. This is being added in.
>> This is being added in. This is being changed. >> Y >> this is being added in. This is being removed. >> That's being removed. >> That's the That's it. Okay. >> It feels like it's a very simple version of things we've done. >> It is. It is. It's just for me the
bylaws carry. >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. Cuz typically 100%. I don't want to clean. >> So, I want I want >> So, typically when I do it, I print out a whole page with the whole bylaw showing all the changes. With this one, we didn't do it that way. Um, which it's
it doesn't really change it. They're showing us just the sections out of 9.5. that's being amended. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think this is fine to propose the idea. >> Yeah. >> I just would like to see the actual text when when we vote. >> So town meeting won't it'll be
>> No, not when town votes when when planning board votes. >> Okay. >> Right. That's all. >> I I I that's what I'm confused on because this is what's what's missing. >> Okay. Well, um >> that's what I I'm I'm confused. >> Okay. So the
explain then how this the changes here address the um the allows bullet point the allows all windows to be assigned >> that so okay I think that's the confusion the
amendment that's in here this is a a summary a quick point this is not the actual amendment >> yeah but this is the actual amendment >> it says the amendment does this >> can I >> so I'd like to I'd like to just know where in the bolded text it allows
windows to be signed >> through through the chair um planning board commissioner King can you pull up the table there >> so that bullet point is just addressing the fact that before you see where we had um permanent signs on the table there we didn't have the word window so
we just added the word window so it's saying that a window can be a sign so techn technically that should have >> been there because people are using the interior surface of a window as a permanent sign. So now we're that's almost just doing housekeeping. Um so the major change that these amendments
are doing is just allowing an exterior surface to be used and the town still has um full control over the quality. They still have to get approval. They still have to follow all the other sign dimensions. So what you're talking about is just housekeeping because people
technically are already using windows as permanent signs on the interior. So, um, that's what that's addressing. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, see, that's very helpful because here in our existing B, a lot of the tables goes from walls to temporary signs and there's no window and now you're adding window. >> Yeah. >> Thank you.
>> You bet. >> I have one more question. >> Yep. >> This shouldn't take this long. Why are you taking out I I kind of There's logic to this, I presume, but in the Why take out the last sentence? >> Seems redundant, I believe. Well, it
says if if you don't want to do maybe you want maybe they want to put it on the interior. >> Oh yeah, I'm not saying you have to. Nobody said you have to. >> Unless it's not with anything for going. >> No, we are now trying to allow the choice to put it on the outside as well. >> Excuse me. >> We're trying now to allow the choice to
put it on the outside as well. >> But I'm saying >> well because the sentence at the beginning when you read it, it says directly on the exterior window including the notes unless the choice. So that's all about the exterior. >> Yeah. >> And you get to the last sentence and it just says
>> put it on the interior if you want. >> Yeah, cuz now it's redundant. >> You always could put it on the interior. >> Yeah, it was already allowed. >> Oh, okay. I don't think anyone's going to concentrate on this as we are right now. >> Yes, that's that's what I mean that's
what we were supposed to do. I think yeah I think we were all concerned that maybe the presentation that was going to town meeting at least I was was not in depth enough to Could you take a good look at that >> for someone like me I just >> I can I can totally work >> not in depth >> that okay
>> yeah we all learn differently >> Kathleen do you have excuse me Kathleen do you have a question anybody else >> thank you >> okay I'd like to open up for public comment is there anyone in the room who has comment on this just come Please come up, Rachel.
>> Hello. Uh, Rachel Ker at 30 Pratt and Harford Road. Um, I just I don't know if it matters at all, but um I believe the select board kicked it to you guys because they were having technical difficulties and so they just kind of like moved on from I don't know the the
topic. Um, that's like what >> can um go ahead finish. >> Oh yeah. I know it just seemed like at the end there was confusion because there was a lot of movement in the room. So the chairwoman mentioned that she
would kick it to you guys to go through it. So I just wanted to mention it. There's neither it's neither here nor there, but um it's just from my observation. So >> yeah. So I can I can actually clarify on that. So the there was confusion because the zoom wasn't working there and the presentation couldn't be done. um the
PowerPoint presentation couldn't be done, but they gave the same presentation now that they gave to the select board. The select board did a formal vote. They voted to move it to the planning board as is required and now it's before the planning board. Okay. >> Thank you for clarifying. I didn't quite know how to articulate that, so I
appreciate it. Thank you very much. >> Sorry. >> Can anyone else in the room? >> Rob, >> I'm a little confused. >> Come on up. >> You got to come up. He's an actual person with a sign. >> I know. >> A sign owner.
>> Hi, Ron Morrison, >> MA Real Estate Center downtown. I'm confused. What are you doing? I couldn't hear a thing back there. >> Yeah. >> Um, who the chair? >> The town or the community if this uh passes in town meeting will allow
buildings or build business owners to fix a sign on their exterior window. So, right now You're required to only be able to apply signs on the interior of the window. So, this would allow business owners to do it on the exterior. >> Why would a business owner want to put
it on the exterior window? >> Is there a violation? I mean, did somebody violate that? >> Uh, yeah, there have been a few. Uh, really? >> Yeah. So, and they actually had to scrape them off the windows for us to enforce it. Couple couple thousand. >> Are you talking about decals?
>> Uh-huh. Well, that's the way they put decals on windows. That's a typical way in which a signed person does that. >> The violations that we found are the exact opposite. It's not the case. They've all been on the inside. >> Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah.
>> The town currently requires it to be on the interior. So, when business owners, as you were saying, people typically install on the exterior. when the town receives complaints or when we come to inspect and we notice that then the business owner has to scrape that off.
>> Why would Well, first of all, that's the way signed people do decals. They put them on the outside. >> But that's why we're doing >> But that's that's why we're making the change. >> We want this to be >> so that they can do that. >> So that they can do it lawfully. the the signed bylaw was outdated is basically what we're saying right here is
previously >> it prohibited >> it prohibited >> it prohibited putting them on the outside >> correct >> now you're allowing them on correct >> all right >> for what it's worth >> you need a new sound system
>> can't hear a finger for years >> I'm sorry >> we got to fund that you can start a >> bill order please thank you Sorry, I'm getting >> any further comments from just in the room
>> hearing none. Pauline, >> thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I'm just going to follow up on what Ron just asked. This change to the bylaw allows businesses to put decals on the out decals, sorry, on the outside of
their windows. >> That is correct. >> All right. So that is not what I anticipated when I read the documents online. So I encourage you to at least make that abundantly clear because if a business owner didn't understand it, how
is the public going to understand it? >> Well, he just couldn't hear. I'm sorry. Couldn't hear us, Paul. >> Nor could I. But I'm out here, so that's fine. But please make it clear at town meeting and I won't challenge you. Okay.
All right. Thank you all. >> Anyone else online? >> Okay. >> I'll make a motion that the air planning board send back to the select board. I believe it is the >> No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. >> You don't have to do anything. >> Hold on. Hold on. >> Go ahead.
>> What What What kind of motion are you making? Are you sending it back to the select board? That's not >> send it to the who to put on the warrant. >> So, yeah. So, the way it works is now you're making a motion. I have it written out to bring it to town meeting to to town meeting. >> So the planning board will vote to
recommend or not recommend the following zoning bylaw to amend um amendment to the April 27, 2026 annual town meeting. So your vote is the planning board is voting to recommend the following zoning bylaw and then you talk about 9.5 warrant and read that section.
>> I'm sorry. I thought the I thought the warrant was put together by the pllect board before I went to town meeting. The planning board I'll make a motion. The planning board will vote to recommend that the following zoning bylaw amendment from the meeting held on this date, March 10th, 2026, as reviewed by
the planning board be sent forward to the annual town meeting >> and read the actual. The note for the town meeting includes to see if the town will vote to amend the zoning bylaws chapter 320 article 9 section 9.15 >> 5.1
>> excuse me 9.51 sign permits and section 9.54 permitted signs in section 9.57 construction and maintenance of signs or take any action relative there too >> seconded >> any further discussion
>> yes >> yes go ahead Nathan um I would like an opportunity to read through this memo. So, um if uh it's required to vote tonight, I'll have to abstain. >> Okay. >> All right. Danny, we can we proceed with
the vote >> if if he's saying you you still have four. >> Okay. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Julie, >> yes. >> And the chair votes I. >> Nathan, >> and we have uh any abstensions? Yes.
>> One abstension. Thank you. >> All right. Next item to close. Oh, I need a motion to close the public hearing for the proposed zoning bylaw amendment. >> Motion. >> So move. >> Do I have a second? >> Second.
>> Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. The public hearing for the zoning bylaw amendment is closed. Thank you. >> Thank you. I I was just saying I want to say thank you for listening to the businesses in town and what they're
looking for. It's really nice to hear it. >> All right. >> Next item is the Thank you. >> See you. See you later, guys. >> Is the continued public hearing for Ryan Park Drive? >> Yes. >> Do we have any Yes. Hello, Mr. Katala.
>> Where are we, sir? Yes. >> Board members. >> Hello. Um, so I can update the board. Uh, at the last meeting, um, we had, uh, had a discuss, not the last meeting, actually the meeting before that because
it was continued. Um, we had a discussion and ra uh, Ken raised a comment about lighting. Um, that was noticed. It was not on the plans that was submitted and reviewed. So, the plan
has three lights. There's one right here just before the cold sack, one right here at the intersection at this entrance to this driveway and one right at the intersection with Westward Road. >> So they're all in the logical places where traffic intersects.
>> Correct. Um and so at a later date whenever the applicant does come back with um a project for lot four and five, they'll have internal lighting for that. The lighting here is only for the road, right? Um so this meets the uh requirements. It was reviewed and no
comments came back. Um so um and one other thing was the um out of the conservation commission there was a request to uh relocate the um drainage line um the proposed drainage line. It
was moved um outside of the was it the 25? >> Yes. outside of the 25 no touch um or no disturb. Um now within the 50 is the no build uh buffer. Um but they moved it
out of there. Um the uh this came out of the uh meeting with the conservation commission. I believe Heather, can you update us on on natural heritage and kind of what you're up to? Um, just before can we give an
explanation how they move before we go to heaven? >> Excuse me. Yeah, >> if you keep scrolling down, I think you'll see that colored plan at the very bottom. >> 07, >> I hope. >> There we go. >> Yes.
>> So, that moves it out of that um 0 to 0 to 25 0 to 25 as requested by Con. So just that. So you move it down. You had to make it a little longer. Is that what happened? >> Well, it just deflects. It deflects
where we enter the basin, which not at all. >> It just comes out here as opposed to up here. >> So they just swung it. >> Yeah, they just swung it a couple degrees. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, sorry. >> I said I would say for the record, but I I do the minutes. So unless anyone needs
to know that conservation agent. Um, so we're still waiting on Natural Heritage unfortunately for this project. I don't know where we are with them on that. Um, but like Joe said and and Danny, we we did ask for them to move that that pipe outside of our uh we have a 50ft unit
disturb. So having it in the 25 ft, you know, the 22 made it a little, you know, commission was a little apprehensive about that. So we were able to move it. Fortunately, with the snow cover, we hadn't been able to see the site yet. Hopefully with these last two days, we'll hopefully be able to say to that site visit on Thursday. Um I don't
anticipate there being any coming from Natural Heritage that would hold up planning board. If anything, it would be a restriction on time of year for um construction. Um it's usually what they do. They do make do a turtle uh plan uh nesting plan for the project that
requires XYZ. There is already a conservation restriction on the property that was done with the prior subdivision because it was closer up closer to more habitat. So that I don't anticipate anything coming from natural heritage on that. The only would be a restriction on
time of year and creating that turtle plan. Um but I don't see that happening with this one because it's so much further out. But that would be the only thing and that would fall on conservation. And there would be that condition within yours that would state it have to follow our order of conditions as well. >> So if I understand you correctly,
there's nothing from conservation that would inhibit us from making a vote. >> I I don't I don't I don't believe so. >> Okay, that's what I want. And Mr. Cth, >> so Sean Malone, our engineer record, got an email from National Heritage this afternoon and they're going to talk
>> uh they're going to pick a day next week on teams that they can >> discuss the issues. So, I think we're moving forward with that. >> Okay. >> And Sean will be at the Conservation Commission meeting when Thursday >> to discuss that and I won't be there,
but he will be attending that to move that along. >> Yeah. And so, um, with the way I wrote the decision, if anything substantive comes out of that, something gets moved, a basin, you know, one like that, I
wrote it so that the applicant would just have to come back in for a modification. Um, that way it doesn't hold them up with our decision. The decision goes through. Um, and also it says that they have to follow the NOI um that conservation commission gives. So
it it works both ways to kind of help um protect both. >> Okay. >> Can you point out where that that item is on the >> I mean just the decision >> the language >> for the public. >> Yep. Hold on one second.
Maybe under sight one pri site one >> be under special condition. >> Um maybe it's not on this. It might be in the storm water one. Hold on one second. It might be in the storm water. Oh no. The applicant shall receive an
order of condition from the air conservation commission prior to commencing any site work. >> No, that that I saw I was talking about the natural heritage language. >> No, >> that but that would fall under conservation. >> That falls under conservation. >> We don't know what that is going to be
anyways. >> Natural heritage is everything to do with pling. It falls under conservation. >> Correct. >> I received the letter. >> Thank you for saying that because I might need that information because because we received the letter with that. It didn't come to the planning board. It came to the conservation commission. So, it's a it's a comment that I share we share with you, but that
that jurisdiction falls under the conservation. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> And then also uh special condition uh the applicant shall submit for a modification if any plan changes come from conservation commission in a notice of intent process. >> And that's in the storm water. >> That's in storm water. I will copy that
over onto the um into the subdivision as well. >> And that would make two special conditions in the subdivision approval. >> Uh subdivision. No, that it's just it would just be one. >> Well, if you you add that one, there's number 45 here. >> No. So there's these are all our general
conditions, >> right? >> We don't have special condition. >> There's no special conditions. >> Okay. So we have to fix uh the because that says 1 through 44. So it really should be 1 through 45 and one special condition. Now, when you add that Okay. >> Yep. I got it right here. I'm working on this.
>> All right. >> Which one are you bringing over? >> Uh, so the um >> so the condition on the storm water Yeah. >> Um the applicant shall submit for a modification of any plan changes coming from the conservation commission and the notice of intent process.
>> Yeah. That way it it ties everything anything that comes out of the natural heritage conservation commission has to approve it anyways. So if anything changes in the NOI process, they have to come back here if it's anything substantive.
>> So I will create a new section. >> Is any communication come back from them at all? >> The only thing we receive, Hold on just a second. I asked Heather a question. Sorry, Mr. Chair. >> The only thing we received was the initial letter. um that that was there that was there was a
there was uh information missing um so they had submitted that back to them and we had anything back so according to Joe that your engineer did and we'll have a meeting with them and just thinking about while they maybe there condition regards like a storm drain or anything like that but I doubt I highly doubt
that because we've had other projects with similar that hadn't had anything besides if anything a prohibited service it's got restriction on timing of construction Okay. Thank you. All right. So, storm water refers to
natural heritage, but that we don't need to put it into the other one, the subdivision modification. Hold on one second. Let me just get this here. Okay. Um I'm sorry, Ken. What was that? We pretty much established we don't need
to put any language in the subdivision modification regarding natural heritage, but we do put some language in the storm water regarding >> No. So I carried over I carried it over onto the subdivision. >> Oh, did it? >> That was I just put that in right there.
>> So that's the one special condition. >> Correct. >> Can I open this up to uh questions, comments? >> Um I would suggest that if Yeah. At this point, we haven't gone through the decision, so it'll be comments on the plans as of right now.
>> That's exactly right. So, I would turn to my colleagues. Thank you, Heather. >> You're welcome. >> Thanks. >> Do you have any questions or comments about the plans or anything that Mr. Catalo was clarified for us this evening? >> Um, do you have any questions about the
decision as it's composed? I the only comment I want to make is that I just want to double check that so the public understands this is a modification of an existing approved subdivision from the past. >> Correct. >> So we're basically applying under the
application from the engineer from Mr. Galvo. We're applying the new subdivision regulations that have been put in place since then. >> Yep. to basically improve, I would say, the original subdivision that was designed and approved by the town in what, like 2003 or four, whatever it
was. >> Yeah. 2003, I believe it was. >> Something like that. So, we basically have we think we may have upgraded the requirements. >> Yes. >> And we have a better plan. Any do you have any comment on that, Mr. P? >> No, you're spot on. I mean, it was pres
It was the present conditions are sheet drainage. We have subsurface drainage, improving the water, widening the roadway. I mean, it's all up to, as you said, Ken, uh, the 20 26 standards. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Have we addressed the waiver requests already? >> No. So, that's where So, is that where you're going to go next? >> Yeah. So, if we want to go through the um uh the waiver request for this one. So, uh >> on we did discuss it at a previous meeting um about the sidewalks um but uh
the board uh never made a formal vote on it. Okay. So, uh the waiver request from the town of air subdivision rules and regulations uh section uh 7B2A uh design standard table uh one number
of sidewalks uh request is we believe that the proposed plan meets the air subdivision rules and regulations and the only waiver needed for the uh for the from the requirement of a sidewalk on one side of the road because there's no sidewalk on Westford Road to tie into and the area is an industrial zone.
zoned uh is industrial zoned without significant pedestrian traffic. Constructing a sidewalk does not seem warranted and the applicant is requesting a waiver from this requirement. So, um I am in agreement with this. The um you know this is an industrial site.
There is no connection on West Road as of right now. Um and this whole area is a is an industrial um zone right across the street is Nco Way. um the uh the National Grid substation. So there's
really not walking occurring in this area. >> Just comment. >> Yeah, one comment, Mr. Chair. The you know, usually we have I think it's five criteria we look is five criteria we look at. um I don't have in front of me
>> that are when we when we review um I think applications in general especially when we're looking at special permits and waivers. >> So we do that for special permits uh not for waivers. >> Okay. Waivers are a judgment call.
>> Yes. Yeah. That is a that's a planning board judgment call. >> Yeah. I just want to be clear because normally with a special permit there is a there is a it's not just a guess. Mhm. >> There is a process that we we go through. >> Yes. Um so there is no special permits
on this project. >> The the two criteria for waiverss are uh it's in the benefit of the town or it's logically inconsistent. There's the logical reason why it wouldn't be applicable. And that's the second one is what applies here is that it would be a sidewalk to nowhere that no one would
ever use. So that's that's the foundation. >> Yeah. Just one other thought on that is typically the subdivision regulations will put together for residential >> Yes. >> work where we encourage sidewalks on both sides of the road. >> Yeah. >> Being an industrial site and the fact
that there's only like one building there at the moment. >> Correct. >> It's pretty much a case where one sidewalk would be more than they had before. So I I believe it's a good waiver. >> Do I need to solicit public comment on the waiver? >> On the waiver? Uh if you want. Yeah, I
would I would say open up regarding the waiver. >> Any public comment or questions on the waiver request? >> Uh I hearing none, I think it's time to entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion. Thank you. >> I move that we wave section 7.B.2A
design center standard table one, number of sidewalks for >> the um >> Orion Park Drive. for Ryan Park Drive project application >> seconded >> and then seconded. Any further discussion hearing? None. Ken
>> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> And the chair votes I. The waiver is accepted. >> Okay. Um so uh now that the waivers's um we can kind of go through the findings.
>> Yeah, I'll do that. >> Um yep. I would go through the findings right now. We have the following three findings under section number five as you see on the screen. Number one, the proposed Orion Park Drive definitive subdivision meets the design criteria of section four of the air subdivision regulations except for those items that
were modified being via the granting of waiverss as specified above. Number two, the project site consists of parcel parcel ID 7-7 and 30 and 738 consisting of uh >> I need to get that number fixed. numbers that will be fixed
>> located within the air >> I think it's approx it's four plus acres I don't have the exact >> of approximately four acres located within the air air residence industrial zoning question >> residence industrial >> that's a new zone >> wait
>> oh I forgot to re erase the res industrial zone right >> yeah thank you >> within the airs that's being corrected that was easy uh res uh heir's industrial zoning district. The project site is located along Westford Road.
Number three, the applicant will come back to the planning board for site plan review approval on the two additional lots shown as lot four and lot five on the approved definitive subdivision plans dated February 24th, 2026. And then so uh these conditions as you
see here, these are our general conditions >> 1 through 45. >> Yep. 1 through 45. These are so there's more within the uh subdivision ones because there are sub uh some subdivision regulations that need to get put into here um uh into our decision as
typically under just site plan review. Um so there's 45 of them on this one. >> And then there's one special condition which I Yep. If you can bring that up. So on the um definitive subdivision decision there is one special condition and that is the applicant shall submit
for a modification if any plan changes uh come from the conservation commission and the notice intent process. So I one thing I would clarify if any major
just how we define it based on here. >> Mhm. >> Just so that there's no um confusion. >> So I just added in if any major plan changes come from the conservation commission in the notice intent process. >> Great.
Good. I would suggest opening it up to >> Yeah. Uh first my board colleagues, do you have any comment or questions regarding the decision to open it up to the public? Anyone in
the room have any questions or comments regarding the decision for arrival park? >> Anyone uh uh in Zoom have any public comment on the modification to the subdivision? >> Okay. Park Drive. Hearing none.
>> And so let's go through the storm water. >> Oh, don't we want to vote on this? >> We can vote after on on both. >> We can vote on both at the same time. >> Okay. So, if I look at the major storm water, I see that there's >> I think five findings
and one waiver request. >> Yep. The waiver request is the same one that was already issued. >> So, I do I need to reread that? So, it's the same waiver. Do we need to vote on that again? We voted it once up. So, it's already voted on. >> Um, do we need to read the findings to the public record? The standard f the
findings are I just want to say they're going to sound confusing because the what the findings are is why we're creating a storm water permit. It's not describing the conditions on the in the Ryan Park subdivision. So that said,
the formal language reads as thus one. Because construction site, storm water runoff and post construction storm water discharges may permanently alter hydraulic response of local wersheds and increase storm water runoff rates and volumes which in turn may increase flooding, stream channel erosion, non-point source pollution and sediment
transport and deposition and decrease groundwater recharge. And number two, because construction site storm water runoff and post construction storm water discharges can adversely affect public public safety, public and private property, surface water, groundwater resources, drinking water supplies, recreation, aquatic habitats, fish and
other aquatic life, property values, and other uses of land and water. Three, therefore, it is in the public interest to regulate construction site storm water runoff and post construction stormwater discharges in order to minimize the impacts identified above. Four, this permit is subject to the town
of air stormwater regulations. Five, the project site consists of parcel ID 7-7 and 38 consisting approximately four acres located within the heirs industrial zoning district. You saw the typo there. >> The project site is located along Westford Road.
>> Okay. >> And can we consider this for one minute um and go to the language? Is it possible Danny to just put one, two, and three together in one paragraph and then go to number one, the permit and number two, the project?
Why do we have one, two, and three in that language? >> Because it comes straight out of the regulations. >> They're sitting here now. >> Yeah. I'm just saying that it just that's how it comes out of the straight out of the regulations. >> I know it's in stormwater regulations, but we're using it here as a preface to
the permit. I just feel that those three things just go together in a paragraph. >> It's it's kind of a preemptive statement as to why we're doing it. >> Yeah. A little bit. >> Yeah. Uh al we we made some edits when
we did this the previous time. I I just wanted to know did are these the same as we made for the prior >> applica uh >> you know what um >> application >> yeah we >> had we had this discussion >> I think we did have discussion but I don't think we made we wanted to make edits but I think we didn't end up
making edits because we came to the because of when we finally figured out what John Jonathan u stated it's the description of why we're putting the together the permit >> because we did discuss this during Lincoln Hill >> so we put a pin in it to make change the regulations Is that what
>> Yeah. Yes. Well, no. So, >> what we stated was the way >> Jonathan stated it is basically the reason the way it's written this way is it comes from the regulations and it's the preface as to why we're creating this the Stormwater permit. I mean, if
you want to combine this into one, we can. I I I don't think it makes a difference. I didn't >> we have a professional communicator with >> I'd say for the sake of living >> I'd say for the sake of simplicity let it remain mirroring the regulation that
just minimizes confusion I think we would change this only if we change the regulatory language as well >> which we would and in a future time we will be because we're waiting on modifications from the mass stormwater handbook. All right. And we have one
through 35 of the standard conditions that come with any storm water permit. And then section six, I'd like to read into the record the three special condition. >> Three acreage to four acres. >> Mhm. Okay. Thanks. >> And they read as follows. Number one, the applicant shall submit for a modification of any plan changes come
from the conservation commission and the notice of intent process. Number two, a stormwater maintenance fee or bond may be required to ensure operations and maintenance of the storm water system. The fee or bond would be based on the cost estimate providing the value of 5 years of the O andM of the storm water
system. This fee or bond shall be in place prior to receiving the final certificate of occupancy from the building commissioner. And three, the certificate of completion shall be recorded at the Middle Sex South Registry of Deeds by the owner and a copy of the recorded decision shall be submitted electronically electronically
to the planning department. >> Public comment. So >> adding number two here that I guess we have this road ultimately will be accepted by the town. That's sure. >> Yeah. But it's for that in between phase. >> Okay.
>> So if uh you know they're going to build the road, but they're not going to turn it over right away. It's until they've met all of the requirements and that might not be for some time. So who So that's why we build that. >> Yeah, we've done it before. Yep. Thank
you. Any further comment or questions about the decisions from my board colleagues? I'd like to open up for public comment beginning within the room. Please come up. Julian Goang 34 brought in Harvard Road.
My question is we're changing the language in this adding just the word major. what constitutes major versus minor because construction plans are fluid. So if it's just something small, they might
just just do it and say, "Well, that was really not a major thing." Shouldn't everything come back to the planning board? >> Uh we have a definition of ma major versus minor. They're they're spelled out in the decisions. >> Okay. Um, so substantial additions,
deletions, deviations from the approved plans, including not limited to large changes in site layout, topography, architectural plans, landscaping plans, traffic, circulation, parking, lighting, signage, open space, and other criteria set forth by MGL is subject to the public hearing and vote by uh planning
board. And typically the building commissioner and I will meet and discuss do we think that it requires a modification? If it doesn't, then at that point we can do a minor and I will typically review it, re um do a letter and then I let the board know. If
there's something that's more that requires like say they come in and it says they're asking for another waiver, then at that point I'd be like, "All right, you have to go back to the planning board. There's a whole public hearing that process that goes through it and then they have to get those approved." >> Okay. So, are developers aware of what
is major and what is minor? in the >> Yeah, it's in the decision. >> It's in the decision. Okay. So, if they don't follow that, >> then it's a problem with the planning board. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Great. Thank you, >> Julian. Can I add one more thing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but but both of
those mean that the developer still has to come to Danny and then before the planning board. It's not like if it's minor, we just don't care or we don't see it. It's all coming before us. It's just how we handle it and label it. whether it's a full public hearing or a
just open discussion. Correct. >> Now, the reason why I ask is because if there's any interpretation on behalf of the developer >> and there's any miscommunication or misunderstanding, >> they might just do it and then find out afterwards. >> Oh, no. No. Understand where you're coming from. Any changes
>> that they make, unless it's like something in the field that's minor, like really really minor, I usually get an email like, "All right, we're going to like I have this for a project that's going to be coming forth. They made a modification. They're changing the tree line and they're adding some more slopes
up. They sent me an email. Do you Does this is this a minor? Is a major? Do we have to come back? That's typically the process. >> Okay. Just making sure that you know the planning board is accountable when that doesn't actually happen. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Great. Thanks. >> Anyone in Zoom like to make a comment or
ask a question? Okay, I think we're ready for a motion on these two. >> Yes. So, you want to start with the definitive and your motion is under section one. >> Okay. I make a motion for approval of the site plan.
>> That's my >> That's on me. That's on me. >> No. Whoopsy. Whoopsie. What should it be really? No. No site plan. Oops. like to make a motion of approval >> of the >> of the definitive subdivision
modification pursuant to subsection 440-24.G G definitive subdivision approval and endorsement subject to the standard conditions are they now 1 through 45 and once and special condition number one in this decision
>> second any further discussion hearing none Ken >> I >> Kathleen >> yes >> Nathan I Julie >> yes votes I it is uh the modification is approved Um,
you changing language for the other one, too? >> Um, yeah. >> I was just writing in the votes over there. >> Sorry. >> Hope you're okay. Um, on this one. >> So, 245, five, and six is the >> Yeah, those the correct numbers.
>> Yeah, those are the right >> Okay. >> That's the uh snowmo or something. It's by >> General Ball. Okie dokie. >> Like to make a motion for approval of the storm water management p permit
pursuant to subsection 245-5 and six storm water management of the air general bylaws subject to standard conditions 1 through35 and special conditions numbered 1 through three in this decision. >> Did I make did I make a mistake? No question is is it a bylaw or a
regulation? >> It's a bylaw. >> Yeah, it is a bylaw. Okay. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. Stormwater manager permit
is approved. >> And now motion to close the public hearing. like a make a motion to close the public hearing for modification of division subdivision and major storm water management permit for uh 66 West Road or Ryan Park Drive. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none.
Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> And chair votes I. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. So, >> so what'll end up happening now is um I'll finalize the document, get the
signature from Jonathan, and then it'll get it stamped in, and then the 20-day appeal period will will start. But I'll send that all in an email to you. So, you'll have everything put all together. That's the package. >> Thank you very much. You're >> welcome. Good luck. >> Thank you, Barry. >> Thanks,
Sean. Let's see. >> All right. Next item is the continued public hearing for 63 Main Street. >> Gentlemen, come on up to the table. >> And um when you have when you're finished, >> Danny, if you just set us up where we're
doing this evening. Thank you. >> How you doing? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Good. Thank you. >> All righty. So, uh 63 Main Street. So, at the last public hearing we had, it was uh the opening of the public hearing. Um the uh the applicant uh made
a presentation on plans and we discussed that there were comments that were out there but that the applicant had not had a chance to respond to those. The applicant has had a chance to respond to those now and um has uh also revised uh
site plans and the architectural plans. Um the comments were uh sent to all the departments um and um as of now we did not have any follow-up comments um from all any of
the other departments. >> Okay. >> Um so I don't know if the board wants to go through all of the comments. I know specifically in terms of the traffic that was probably the bigger one um on the police and my side um uh in terms of
how they were going to handle that. So th those were discussed here as well. Um uh so I think those would probably be the best ones to kind of start with. So the first one for the police department, >> can I just to Jonathan just for a second? >> What's up?
>> And to to Danny actually. So the comments we're talking about is this past what you just gave us, right? >> Yep. >> This is the same one that went to him, but he didn't have time to respond to until after the last meeting. >> So the department head comments went to him. >> Went to him. >> He >> right compiled.
>> This is the one and only. >> Yes. Yep. >> There's no revision to the department is what you're saying. Okay. Thank you. Um so for the police department comments um how does the building work with the existing crosswalk and um crosswalk signage is this is the main crossing
point for the depot square. The new structure will be set back away from the crosswalk and our residents will use the crosswalk to access depot square. So, um, let me just pull up the site plan so we can kind of >> like the the crosswalk that's there that goes to Deepo Square is directly in front of our property or
>> so I'm assuming that any residents that use the TE or or you know commute uh from Deep Depot to Deepo Square will just walk across the street. >> Yeah. >> So, you can see right here that's the existing sidewalk right there. Um, and
then this the crosswalk is right here. And there's actually another that there's an easement there in the front of the property. So that our building actually starts that much further back. >> Correct. >> Yeah, that's a the town owned easement for a sidewalk. >> Okay.
>> Um the other comments, so what is the sidewalk pedestrian plan during construction? The sidewalk in around the property will be um will have applied staging and fall protection dur um for the duration of the project. Um, so that
would be all around the property on the >> Yeah. Right on the property. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So that's just the for context that's just a metal saging that's of height of walking height with um
>> a cover with a cover so that nothing can penetrate any you know falling materials or anything like that. >> Sidewalk chip. >> Yeah. >> I'm from New York I guess out there. Yeah. You found them. >> Permit.
>> Um, okay. Uh, the next comment was, "What is the construction/contractor plan for parking? No parking on Main Street in front of the building. Two-hour parking on West Street. Contractors will drop off, unload from West Street, and utilize Depot Square as a designated parking um area." So, the
one question I had have on this is, do you have a agreement with them? I know you have an agreement for the parking spaces. Are you going to just use those parking spaces? We actually have a additional potential agreement if the if we need more than six spots than what we have. >> Okay.
>> So we have that that parking was in effect now. So we'll utilize that parking for the contractors and if we there is going to be spillover we have another agreement with them to utilize additional space just for construction. >> Okay. >> So that would be you know between the hours of you know 7 to 5 or 7 to 4.
>> Okay. Um what is the construction umcontractor plans for delivery? is no parking again. Uh deliveries will be coordinated through Moors on West Street. >> So good. >> Obviously, so the the parking obviously would come in
>> and we're going to provide a TMP to the management of this which will spell out like when we think police details will be needed because there will be a few >> hoisting situations or whatever that we'll we'll probably will probably need it even if it's on West Street too. >> Okay. So we wouldn't make that obviously
a special condition. >> Main Street, we're trying to stay away from like disrupting Main Street, obviously it's very busy like it's you know aside from tying in utilities, we probably won't be on Main Street. >> So then we would definitely make that as part of one of uh as a condition that um
the TMP gets uh reviewed by the um uh police department and the fire department before uh construction starts. Is this really correct the way it says through Moors on West Street? >> No. What are they going to use? Moors is going to be doing our our deliveries. So
>> there. Yeah. >> Meaning like >> you mean >> Moors the the the lumber the lumber company? >> I know it is. Yeah. I just Okay. >> Okay. >> They know the going to be their drivers are going to be delivering materials for us. So >> Okay.
>> They'll be delivering to West Street, >> not Main Street. Okay. >> Which other comments you think were merit our attention tonight? >> Uh was so the site plans comments, the DPW
was all set with those. Um >> that's a previous list that they put up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And we did I mean I as quickly as I could I did have the the engineer the civil engineer update as much as he could. Mhm. >> And uh Matt reviewed those and he he had
no further comments. >> Okay. >> On those >> um >> the site plan or the construction, right? >> Yeah. And and one of his comments also was um the same question was traffic management plan. So it came from three of us. So
>> we haven't produced the TMP yet, but we will that be, you know, >> yeah, we can we would condition it that prior to site work commencing that that be reviewed by um you know the departments >> um site >> the so one of the comments that I raised
which was the um the property lines and the plot plan didn't match the easements currently remain. So um I think that did get updated >> um well so actually This is within your property line.
>> Yes. >> No, that's the line. So, those are the two. That is a driveway for the abuing property. >> Yeah, but that's where the easement is, isn't that? >> No, the easement's in the front of the property. >> No, there's another ement back there. >> That's not our property. So, our lines
only go to right there. Yep. >> Okay. That's that's the confusion. We weren't sure cuz when we were looking at it on and obviously the GIS is not always correct. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. So it shows >> that is outside of our boundaries >> and that's what I wanted to confirm. >> Sorry then I I didn't understand the
question because I thought it was uh our the easement on the front of the property. >> No, that so that one it's shown on there. Let me just make sure that it's shown on here again. >> Yeah. No, that's it's right. It's it's does match. >> Yeah, that's right. Show like this.
>> Even though it does say 63 Main Street right there. >> There's a Yeah, there's an issue with that. It's not resolved. I think an issue is something. >> I'll have to look into that. That's just this is news to me. >> This came up in when I first looked at the draw. >> Yeah, we met that the actually the
engineer had two separate things. I believe he showed it two different ways. >> Yeah, he did, but on these plans now they match. So whether or not now the question is >> cuz he does call it out at 63 Main Street which is what >> which is odd because I've measured this
out too and if you go to it's if uh like what they're showing there is 34 or 90 ft. Um >> yeah that's >> if you go to that back line it's it's more it's like 4200 ft. So something I'll have to look into it with the land surveyor. Yeah. I would I just um
because if you look at it, right? >> This is important for your benefit. >> Yes. >> Well, it's well the problem is is that you know we we if there's a driveway there for the abotic property, it's not like I can use it. >> No, no, no, no. I know. But that's why but it's it's to address whether or not it's actually part of your property. Um
so 84 >> Yeah, this is shown as >> on the GIS it shows it completely different. >> Yeah. So it says here it says 7630 and here it's uh and on the GIS it's shown as 84. So you're going to want to get
that confirmed on whe So based on what I'm seeing here the GIS is including that area >> back there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> So I would just make sure you get uh your land surveyor to address that because they do call it out. It's a 10-ft rightway. There's an easement
existing right there >> used for 10 West Street. It's got the book and page >> and it's got the book and page right there. So, but they do call it out as part of your property. >> Okay. >> So, >> it it won't change it's not going to change anything, but I just so that you
understand that that is part of >> Yeah, there's an encumbrance on 63 Main Street, but it is owned by 16. It just there's a right away for that back building. >> Yeah, there's a 10 foot right away. >> Okay, >> it's a 10 foot rightway. That could make a difference in how you construct the job with the construction vehicles and
stuff if you have work if you can work on that spot. >> In terms >> Yeah. In terms of construction for them, but in terms of like the overall plan, right? >> It doesn't change the location of the building because they're not going to move that because it's a 10 foot rightway. So, they have to allow it anyways.
>> Doesn't change anything really for construction. Just a conversation I have to have with the with the seller, I guess. Right. >> Yes. Um the other comments were um site plan calls out that the existing building encroaches into the proposed
building. What will be done about this? We will set the boundary so the buildings do not physically touch. >> What was that? Where was I? Sorry. >> That's um my second comment. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um how will this building be built so close to the other buildings? We will
typically use zero lot line building practices like one-sided foundation pore etc in coordination with the applications of codes and town um building department. Uh where will you do construction stage and we discussed this as well. Uh you will need to
traffic management plan. We talked about that. The uh parking agreement was uh submitted and reviewed. It's uh very sim it's almost exactly the same one as we previously reviewed for 3 to five Park Street. Um uh and then on the pro uh
providing the updated plans. So they and they did update on the and the glazing on the on the table. >> We updated the parking as requested. >> You still show it at 61. >> Oh no. >> So just just so >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll make sure it's right
before building permit submission. >> Yeah. and your parking units as well. >> It's still Did I change? >> Yeah, still shows it as one. >> I wonder if I just attached the wrong one to you. >> Uh, this is a revised version. >> What is meant by construction staging
will be posted at Main Street. >> Um, say that one. >> What was that? >> That's so Which one is it? >> Third, fourth question. Um, oh, on the at the top or on mine? >> On yours?
>> Oh. Uh, where will construction? We will be uh posted in Main Street and West Street attached pedestrian safety staging. >> H >> where will you do construction staging? >> Where will you do construction saging? >> I think that's your concern about delivering materials to the site. You
got delivery of drywall. >> Delivery of drywall, >> some kind of steel. I I think they interpreted it as staging as um you know >> I got it right. >> So I I think I missed Yeah. >> Yeah. There was a misunderstand you
thought of the staging as like what we were talking about before. >> So you're talking about the actually the the building materials. So we we all we have a um agreement with Barry next door at the depot square. Any access typically this type of site we will stage on the property within the
property and then go tier by tier just like we'll the once the first deck is done we'll just load to the second deck and then during the deliveries but any excess materials or anything will be stored in depot square >> covered
>> and that was covered under your initial agreement. >> Yeah. The only thing is we'll want to see a copy of that as well. >> Sure. >> I mean, we hope to keep everything on the site. >> Yeah. >> You know, I I don't see why we wouldn't be able to.
>> So, what else can we do with this uh 63 Main Street today? >> Um, so I think >> any of the revisions that we talked about on the first page, >> so I just told them that they they still Yeah, they're still not done. They need to be updated.
>> Okay. Oh, >> I am. >> You go ahead, >> please. No, you go ahead. >> Then Nathan, you first and Nath. What page do you want to look at? >> The size of the units. Have we addressed the size of the units themselves going?
>> That is that is uh one of the questions that I'm uh I have to address with the building commissioner. Um that is the last question that we have left to address. But I believe it's it's coming down to based on what we've been discussing is it's going to be the the waiver from that's allowed through the
um uh the inclusionary housing bylaw. >> Okay, >> you guys. >> So, we expect to see a waiver request. Thinking about that. >> We we need I need a formal um >> request. >> I need to give them the formal um
interpretation. Okay, >> that was the only thing I had on my notes. >> Nathan, >> um just curiosity, maybe it'll maybe you can write it down, but how do you handle typically like a site will have dumpsters for their garbage refues? What
what will you be doing to >> dump stuff? >> Well, there's no room. >> What how do you do this? I'm curious. >> Yeah, so this u once the first stack is built, it would be live loads at that point. Everything's created. >> So it would be stored on the site just for the and we would have a live live
load come in and just load up and leave. >> Okay. >> I mean there's no room. I mean that like unless we put a dumpster somewhere on the street which is not you know Yeah. There's not >> not happening >> a lot of options. So for those of us who aren't in the construction business, live load means you actually pull up a a
truck and do it on pull up on West Street and then we would just shuffle the stuff and you know u >> early on in the process you can probably pull into the site but like not you know pretty quickly that will go away once the foundation is up and stuff and just have to pull up and load up.
>> And this might actually be helpful with with the discussion of your 10oot easement. >> You might be able to just pull it right there and just >> I I hope that's how it goes. Okay, that's going to be important. That little strip of land. >> That's what I'm saying. Like that's a good discussion point for construction of a sense of
>> if you need to pull up a vehicle and there, you know, you want to use that access >> 100%. >> What about an office trailer and stuff like that? >> We don't. Yeah, we want this is too small of a project for that. >> Okay. >> So, you guys are going to come to the job with your trucks. You're going to
park your trucks across the street. You're going to haul your tools like you would in Boston or anywhere else. Usually like say if a plumber is plumbing the place, he'll pull up in West Street, unload his stuff. >> Yeah. >> And then, you know, leave his guys there and then either leave or just go over to Depot Square Park.
>> I mean, the biggest concern is going to be the the steel and stuff like that. When you go to the direct to steal with the crane, >> there's no steel in this in this. Oh, >> it's all wood. >> Yep. >> Oh, okay. My mistake. I figured it was going to be steel. >> Um, sorry. Do you have a plan to secure and I I was
just at a project where one of my uh contractors lost all his tools. Do you have a project to secure a plan to secure this? >> So, we'll have permit fencing all the way up. It's uh you know, rent a fence or whatever, you know, the the construction fence with the
screening on it. And uh we we typically put like a Wi-Fi camera on our projects. So we'll use uh like it was a cell camera, you know, so we'll just get it on the corner of the property and then once the building goes up then and once you get the doors in it and secure it, that camera kind of goes away. But in
the me, you know, in the beginning, that's probably the that's probably the best way we'll do it or the most logical way to do it. >> Did we really figure out how close it actually is to the building to your left as we look at the plan here?
>> 0.05. >> Wow. Half a foot. >> Not even. 05. >> Uh because >> it's like a >> it's pretty much touching on a good portion of that of the building. >> Yeah, >> they do have utilities on the side of the building. >> That's how all East Main Street is right now.
>> It's on the back. I think their utilities are on the back though. And >> I just walked like an hour ago, two hours ago. Walked right down the side of that building. >> So there's definitely an electric meter on the side of that building. Um there's some electrical services there. want to say it comes overhead to
the top of the building and then they put it down to the side to the meter and it goes underground into >> Yeah, you can see it on the plan. There's a utility pole right here. >> There's a be building doesn't go back. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I I'll have to look at it. Yeah, I'll check it 100%. Yeah. >> Yeah, you can see it right here to the
electric meter. >> Yeah. >> I mean, but that's >> So that that's the lot line. That's actually not where the building you know. So if you look at the other building, it actually peels away from >> Yeah. Yeah, it might work. >> Yeah, it might work. Yeah, >> it might work. >> Coordination with the people next door
is going to be >> Yeah. I mean, we're not going to go in there and rip off the guys, you know. We're not going to do anything to If we have to, we'll just set the building back just a little bit just to make room, you know, or whatever we need to do. Um >> I mean I mean, you do have the room on this side that you can to play with if you need it.
>> Yeah. I mean, if we either way, we'll work. I mean, I'm going to once before this starts, I'm going to be, you know, talking with the owners next door, making sure their current concerns are addressed. >> Well, the main thing is it complies with our phone based code and the rest has to
be worked out in the field or with their neighbors or whatever, I guess. >> Mhm. >> So, yeah, comment. >> Uh, if if my colleagues have finished, I can open this up to public comment starting with the room. hearing not any public comment coming
from Zoom. Okay. What are next steps? >> Uh so we continue uh to the next public uh to the next meeting. Um I think by then I will have >> and what's the date of that? >> Uh the 24th
>> we follow like uh February uh same dates. >> Okay. So >> um so what we would do is at the next meeting I would work up a decision. we would address the the final waiver. Um, and we would um, and obviously this will
give them the time to address I mean to review the 63 Main Street section uh, the the the 10 foot rightway stuff, but that's not as important for our determination. It's just for them. But um, I can work up a decision, get a draft over to the applicant to review
for comment >> and um, be ready for the next meeting. >> Sounds great. Can I ask >> can I ask you one question? >> Sure. >> Did your engineer go to the registry of deeds and look up the deeds from the property? >> I believe he did. >> I assume so. I mean that's a >> because you would have found that
language somewhere. >> A surveyor doing that but >> negligence. He took quite a while to do the survey because he said he kept going to have to check a few. He told me >> I mean it's it's shown at 63 Main Street. It's it's there.
>> It's shown it's their property. But it's probably >> I don't think it really matters matter. Yeah, >> it really doesn't matter. >> It only matters in the sense of >> contraction. I mean, >> Nathan, were you about to form a motion for
>> Sure. Yeah. I move that we continue the public hearing for 63 Main Street application for site plan approval special permit inclusion area housing bylaw to our next meeting on March 24th. Yep. Seconded. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none.
Ken, >> I. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes I. We'll continue. We'll see you uh the 24th. >> Thanks very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Can we just take five minutes? >> Yeah, we're going to take a five minute recess. March 10th. Um just quickly,
there are no master plan updates. Just know that we're, you know, it's on here all the time. just >> it's going to be a carryover because we're going to be as you know we're going to meet and we'll share the substant meeting with you. So let's move right into the project status updates. >> Yes. >> Take it away Danny.
>> Um so for Straten Hill um Straten Hill has started construction again. >> I bet >> um they're moving moving along. I know um Julie knows. >> And Kathleen >> um and Kathleen. Yes, I forgot. Yes,
Kathleen as well. Um, so, uh, I'm waiting for a quarterly update from them. I should be receiving it this month, um, towards the end of this month, but they're starting back up doing SWIP inspections because they were in winter conditions. Now they're starting back up and obviously with the
thaw and everything, they're um, they were doing slip and they have to do a slip inspection. >> Okay. Um, in terms of, uh, Lincoln Hill, uh, so, um, as of right now, they have a
estimated 13 more days of blast. Um, eight more blasts within the easement. And, um, they're currently laying down storm water and sewer. Um, uh, those were both fully installed within
Nicholas Lane. Um those are uh being obviously inspected uh by uh I believe it's Green International who's helping us do the inspections right now. I know today um Ian uh was out on site doing his inspections on their behalf. Uh so
that was moving forward as well. Um and then um so uh uh at the next on Friday there's another there's a construction meeting that they host. Um so I'll be there on Friday for that one. Um that's Friday.
>> Yes. >> Um so and that is um the that's for Lincoln Hell. Um any other any questions on that one? Okay. Um
>> the Green International is representing our interest. Is that what you're saying? Okay. >> Yeah. They're helping the DPW with inspections with storm all the utilities. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, and with uh recent and you know with the
the thaw obviously with this weather, I did talk with Josie about making sure she was walking the erosion control you know frequently to make sure that there was no um you know uh sedimentation leaving the site. So, you know, the last
two days have been really important to make sure that nothing was happening um in terms of leaving the site with uh erosion. >> Great. >> Um in terms of uh >> we have a you have a question come if I ask question.
>> Yeah, come on up. Rachel, >> hello again. Um Rachel Kera, 30 Graten Harvard Road. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I was just wondering, uh, you mentioned that Green International was representing, uh, the DPW. Is there a representative from the DPW going with
Green International to, um, ensure that all of the, you know, appropriate things are being taken care of with regard to the inspections and, um, the building of the the structure. It seemed like they were all, you know, we went through the
process of um, their review, their approval, and everything like that. that it seemed like it was going to get their stamp of approval um and that they had the like the resources to allocate to um ensuring that safety for you know all of us. So I just I didn't know if that was
happening. >> Um I believe that the Green International is representing the town. >> Okay. So can you describe how um that works I guess instead of the town representing itself?
>> Yes. So basically what they do is they would do exactly the same thing that um the DPW would do. Um but they would have a a certified engineer go out there document make sure it's it go uh it's approved goes to the approved plans.
They go through all of the stormwater documents all basically anything that's regarding that the installation. They'll go through the DBW submittals in terms of specifications to make sure that they line up all properly all properly. Okay. Um, so I I'm just trying to figure out
like the review process with um all of that. Um, so if something doesn't go correctly, um, is it the town that's liable or is it the green that international I apologize. I'm not well verssed in all of these through the
chair respectfully. >> So in terms of if something goes wrong, are you talking like uh during the in uh like after the installation occurs? Well, let's say um Green International inspected um all of the, you know, everything that's going on underneath.
Yep. >> Um and they said everything is fine and then DPW said, "Okay, everything's fine." >> Um and then something wasn't fine. Um I just >> I'm just trying to understand the process and I do apologize. >> Yeah. So, typically the the process is
the town uh so we will go out there to inspect the like utilities. We don't go actually measure all of like make sure it's laid at the right angle. That's not the town's responsibility. It's their engineers's responsibility. they'll submit as build plans at the end of the
project or as they progress depending on um you know if they're looking for cos or stuff like that but they'll submit these doc these as plans that will show us exactly what the pitches are what the you know slopes are where they're
located where they you know at the right height or not. So all of that information will then later be reviewed again. So, it's kind of just more of a to make sure that it's based on their what they're seeing out there that it looks like it's following the the the submitts, the plans and everything. And
then the it's the applicant's burden to submit to the town to prove that they're meeting the plans. If what happens, you know, during the ASBO plan, if something is off, typically the way it works is the town will say, "All right, this needs to be either raised or this needs
to be lowered. Uh, this needs to be changed." And that's kind of the process of how it gets done. >> Okay. >> I I think it's a good question. Um I'd like to follow up on a couple things. >> Let me know if I don't know if she's done. >> Oh, please feel free. Thank you so much. >> So,
someone has reached out to Green International. Yes. >> Was it DPW? >> Yes. >> Now, that's being paid for by the applicant. >> That's I haven't I haven't asked. That's through their department. I don't know. I would assume it's coming out of the
53G, but I I I'm not in charge of uh No, they are they did they already paid I think it was like 21,000. >> They pay a fee because there's a cost for connecting the sewer and connecting the water and all the other compliments. Yes. >> The components that go into the storm water. So there's a fee associated but
with that connection that's being made. >> There was >> DPW gives them that cost. They paid it to DPW. Now, it's up to up to the DPW to check the installation, but just to verify what we're talking about here is
the ultimate asbuilt responsibility is by Ian's engineering firm, the Africans engineering firm. So, they they can take shots of the installation, double check that it matches the design on the plants, whatnot. Green is more of an inspection of quality and installation
and connections. It looks like it passes, but ultimately at the end, for instance, the water in the sewer will get a pressure test by under the town's regulations, there'll be a chlorinated test. The hydrants will be tested for pressure. The whole thing will go through a long series before the town
accepts it is what I'm getting at. So, green is an intermediary right now. Basically, most likely the engineering department at the DPW making a guest now is busy and they cannot get there all the time when the applicant needs the inspection. >> That is correct.
>> So, there's a timing thing, Rachel, that they open up a trench and they install piping and now they need it inspected because they need to move to the next section. >> So, that they can't leave the whole site open for inspection. and they do it in sequence and they have to call the DPW and say, "We need an inspection tomorrow
because we just put in 100 ft of pipe." And they have to respond. >> Yeah. >> And if they can't respond, I'm thinking they reach out to Green International. Yeah. >> To take that, get that inspection done. Yeah. >> They back fill it. They watch the back fill the material they put in the whole sequence. >> And then ultimately all gets tested
again at the at the very end. The final inspection by the engineer that designed it will verify that the drawings that showed us elevations for all the piping match the installation matches the drawings. Otherwise, the storm water calculation doesn't mean anything.
>> Correct. >> They have to put it in the way they designed it. Yep. >> And they have to owe us a plan that says they did put it in the way it designed it. >> Yep. and the so the engineer would then stamp a letter saying I certify using my license and I would be held liable that
it's was installed properly and then what happens is the DPW and I would review those plans in terms of what the approved plans say and you know sometimes there's going to be some slight variations you know very minor but if there's anything that's um more
than what we can that's tolerable in the variation There's that's where the discussion will come in with the DPW and I on you know this needs to be lowered this needs to be raised but that probably won't happen towards you know once construction's a
lot further on. >> Okay. All right. Wonderful. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Any other updates? Um uh well with hopefully with this weather hopefully if it stays nice um we'll
hopefully be able to get 42 Park Street going um and get that addressed. So um I'm hopeful we don't have any more snow and we can you know start getting some other projects moving forward. Okay. Um, >> we did talk about a sidewalk uh before
the snow hit for Stratton Hill as well, but we never did never set it up. >> Yeah, we never got to So, it was um >> you know, some people could make it certain times. It was So, let me um reach back out with u attorney Collins and try to set something up some set
something up that works for everybody. Um the uh so in terms of the Panther Place project, they're slowly moving along as well. I mean, I expect them to be coming
back for um release at some point in the next couple of months. Um >> like they did a few months ago. >> Yeah. So, um, and then at that point, we we'll be starting to think about a, um, releasing the full covenant and maybe
going to a bond at that point, just because we we're getting closer to that point of, uh, there's, uh, there's a lot less loss, you know, >> less liability. >> Yeah, exactly. Um,
the So, 91 Grten Harbor Road. So, as of that, as of now, they've kind of also just been in winter conditions on the ex exterior. They've only really been doing interior work. >> Um, but I'm expecting that they'll be probably starting back up on the
exterior soon and with the nice weather. Um, the uh I did receive an email from Limhut about Zero Scully Road. Oh, >> they have there was some Yeah, there was some um
>> nice guy >> there. They got an agreement and now things are gonna hopefully start moving along with that project. >> Any special per required for the helport they want to add. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that will hopefully start, you
know, this spring. Um BL Street. So, as of right now, nothing on them. We have um Lim Hut hasn't heard anything back from them yet. He did ask them, but you know, they just haven't moved forward. Um but they all have plenty of time
before they have to act on their permits. >> Okay. >> Um the trying to think if there was anything else, could I ask him a question? >> Yes. >> Did notice pass for the fire department?
>> Notice Oh. Oh. for 14 Washington Street. So that no so that was submitted into um Stampton with the town clerk and the for the 21day appeal period ends um I I I can't remember exactly when but we're in it. Yep. Yep. We're in it.
>> Um there's going to be a couple projects. Uh so 12 Willow Road is going to be coming back to the board for a minor modification at the next meeting. um they are uh due to some you know cost
of construction they're going to be uh cutting into the hill a little bit further and this is triggering because um there's a requirement that 50 ft of of um between industrial and residential must be buffered and they're cutting
into that buffer and they're proposing landscaping but it's only but the board is the only one that can approve it based on a language they There was, you know, there was discussion on whether or not I could do it, but based on what the actual language states, it's minor, but
it has to be done by the planning board. >> Okay. >> So, uh, on this one, the board is it's coming back for a public meeting on this one. >> Um, >> can I go back to Lincoln Hill for a second? You reminded me when you used the word covenant. Have we seen the
covenant for Lincoln Hill or whatever covenant or what? So, we're working um we've been working the DBW and I and Janet have all been working on that. There is a tripartite agreement already. I have the draft version. Okay. >> Um the uh that's going to go to town
council. We're just waiting on the schedule of costs as of right now for that as well, but we're we're >> it's in the process. >> Yeah, it's in the process. >> Second. >> All right. Moving on to the minutes. I believe that Ken you have a few additional uh edits
to suggest for the February 24th >> edits. >> Yeah, >> let me just pull up the minutes. >> It had to do with the uh number of units and stuff that was talked about in two or three places about uh 63. >> Yep. One second.
Minutes 26. Okay, >> we got Did you have the you know >> Yeah, I'm pulling them up right now. Okay, so where >> had to do with 63 >> 63 Main Street? Okay, here we are.
>> So, somewhere it talks about it being 10 units. Yep. Someplace else it might talk about being nine units further down. >> Oh, yep. um >> says it will be >> it's it's confusing on the >> Yeah, it's actually
>> My apologies. >> No, that's okay. >> I think it was mentioned at the beginning of the hearing that it was 11, but it's actually what 9 or 10. That's why it changed. >> Let me just double check make sure. I believe it is 11. >> I think you had it right. It is 11. But
I think how many units per floor >> and it was discussed at the meeting that we apologize if I wrote that wrong. >> 10 11. Yeah, it's 11. >> Right. Because it's 33 and two, right? >> 3 three and two. Yeah. >> Yeah. I wrote it. It was 11. I went back
and counted as a wait. >> Yep. So >> So apartment with three upper levels, three units on each floor. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's I was like, "Oh, it's >> two other
>> check my second >> floor and >> there's only two. There's an office and two units on the first floor and there's three units on every other floor. >> You're right.
Um All right. Um just change a 9 to 11 for 11. >> Yeah, just take out the three units out. Let's see. So 88 confir with upper with three upper
levels with 11 units. >> Okay. >> Is that it? >> Yeah. I just wanted to correct the comment. That's all. >> All right. Do a motion to approve the minutes as amended. I'll make a >> All right. Do we have a second?
>> Second. >> Any further discussion? Ken. >> Hi. >> Okay. >> Uh, Kathleen, were you here for? >> I'm sorry. There's one other thing. >> There's one other thing. Oh, hold on. >> At the very beginning, it talks about meeting minutes from February 12th. >> Yes.
>> Didn't Wasn't that meeting on February 10th? >> We also had a special meeting on the top. >> That was the separate second. Yeah. Okay. >> Those are the meeting minutes we're waiting on. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Yep. So, that's right. >> So, can you Did you vote? We I
then Nathan. Julie. >> Hi. >> And the chair votes I that meeting minutes are approved. >> So I will have you sign the meeting minutes and the decisions tomorrow. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> All righty. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> So move. >> Good night everybody. >> Good night. It's like